Charles Starkweather: Evil Next Door

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If you've ever wondered whether you're meant to stay where
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you are, pack up and see the world, or find
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your way back home. Our guests today have built an
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entire podcast around that question. Joining us are Damien and Christian,
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the host of Remain Rome Return. They're show Blend's travel stories,
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life experiences, hilarious conversations, and the kind of unfiltered banter
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that makes you feel like you're hanging out with old friends.
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Whether they're sharing adventures from the road, debating life's biggest questions,
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or somehow ending up on the most unexpected tangents, they
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always make for an entertaining listen. Since they're both from Nebraska,
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we thought that there was no one better to tell
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the story of one of their state's most infamous killers.
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They're taking us through the chilling case of Charles stark Weather,
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the teenage serial killer whose brutal murder spree shocked America
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and forever became a dark part of Nebraska's history. So
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settle and this one's a disturbing ride. And Damien and
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Christian Welcome to Weekly Bizarre.
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Oh what youreaking intro? Yeah? You what that was? Yeah?
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Oh my gosh, I feel like a failure of a podcaster.
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I feel undeserving of such a great intro. Usually it's like, hey,
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we got these two idiot and gums, can I swear
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it's early in the episode. I probably shouldn't swear it
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off the bat.
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Yeah, yeah, that's probably.
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That was amazing that. Now it's like too high of
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a bar for us, Like now now your listeners are
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going to be like, well, these guys are gonna be amazing,
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and then it's just gonna be fart noises for the
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next hour.
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So I did change my name from fart that for
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this one.
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Yes, well, yes, no, thank you for having.
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Us, appreciate it, looking forward to it.
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Yeah, thanks for being here.
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Always a pleasure.
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Yes, thanks for coming on our podcast and making it interesting.
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I'm sure our guests have been sick of hearing Christian
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and I for the past six episodes not having a guest,
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so y'all came on and made it fun.
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So I appreciate that.
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Anytime.
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You know, we got to talk about half what was
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that half hatch Charlie Harry, Harry or just George or
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just George or John.
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Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah,
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So one of the things that we kind of prefaced
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this episode with was while you two were on our
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last episode, we kind of gave you a quick rundown
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of Christian's relative relation to one of Nebraska's most famous
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spree killers. And we gave you just enough information, yes,
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to convince you two to have us on your podcast again.
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And that's how we do things, and so we're here
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to talk about that today. So without further ado, Christian.
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Yeah, So when you guys were on our episode, we
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talked about so Damien, like you said, Damien, Me and
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Damien are from Nebraska. Damien has left and now lives
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in Los Angeles. So we did one of the spooky
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spots in LA which was the Queen Mary, and I
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of course left and now back in Nebraska. So that's
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Charles stark Weather specifically. More, me and Damien are from Omaha,
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and then Lincoln's like the college town just right down
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the road, and that's where it happened, and that's where
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I live now, and that's where I live now with
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very close to a lot of these places that we're
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about to talk about. So I'll get to do it.
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So Charles stark Weather was born in Nebraska in Lincoln
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in November twenty fourth, nineteen thirty eight, So this happened
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quite a while ago. Most of the time, pere we're
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gonna be talking about it was like nineteen fifty eight,
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nineteen fifty nine. But born into like a normal working
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class family. He was the third of I think seven kids,
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and you know, not like a rich family, not a
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poor family, like just a normal family living here in Lincoln.
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Yep and uh yep, nice intro. That was great. I
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wasn't expecting the sudden stop. So one of the interesting
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things about mister stark Weather can we call him mister
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stark Weather? Is is that too formal for this guy?
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No?
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Is he probably doesn't deserve it.
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Now, shithead stark Weather? Is that best?
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Just about to say that, I will say I'm already
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going on a tangent. As you mentioned in my research.
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It is interesting because, of course, probably as you all know,
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with every spree s serial killer, there are people who
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are like fans. And I found like a weird Facebook
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group and I bet I'm now flagged on some list,
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but they kept calling him Charlie and I was like,
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this doesn't feel right. So just know, I was like,
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he's yeah, don't call him Charlotte. I guess maybe if
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you he went as a kid, but not. Yeah, it
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was just what if you call him chuck? Chuck, that's
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kind of like an insult. He seems like a guy
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who probably hated the name Chuck.
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So yeah, so let's do that. Let's call him Chuck.
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Okay, Chuck the chuck the fuck.
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Perfect, Chuck the fuck is perfect. I think we just
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got a name for our episode.
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I cannot write that. It's a title.
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Get this episode taken down instantly.
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Which we do have some clips like that where I get, oh,
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that that is a trigger word for YouTube.
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So and I always say, oh, yeah, I'm sure it's
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the content. I'm sure it's the the verbiage and not
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the content we're creating. I'm sure our content is just
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so interesting to everybody that's out there that it's a
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shock that we get five views. Anyways, go for it,
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Go for it, Jess. You're going to say something.
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Oh, I was just gonna say it really hated my
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last upload where I was bitching about my editing shit
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m M did not work. Well. Then I got like
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maybe nineteen views. Yeah, they're like, nope, not doing it.
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I think we do have legitly one video like clip
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where I was like, this has zero views, where like
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it had to be taken down.
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It's funny too, because I'll go and watch the clips
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that have very minimal views. I'll go watch them and
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it'll still count zero.
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Yeah.
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Okay, back to Chuck the fuck.
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Yeah.
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So one of the things about him that I found
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very interesting and probably kind of this actually confirmed to
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be the start of his bad attitude, so to speak,
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is that he actually had a bow legged stance. So
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think of, you know, you've been riding a horse every
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day your whole life, you know, and you get off
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and your your legs are still curled like a frickin'
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Rby's French fry. So that doesn't help. But on top
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of that, as if that's not a malady enough in
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and of itself, he also had a speech impediment. That
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was the speech impediment actually he talked to.
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Really no, he was part he was part pig.
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You can't do that to me. I had I'm too gullible,
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like really a unicorn?
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Was it glittery?
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So Chuck the fuck had fucked legs and he couldn't
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talk no good. So that's how he started. And then
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if again, all the bad things come in threes, right,
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So he was also near sighted, like a dork.
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So I think I'm near I'm near sighted as well.
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Are we not all?
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Yeah, that's true. We all have a podcast, so.
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Yeah, but we don't have bow legs or speech impediments.
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We don't wink, I mean, sorry, snort unless something's funny,
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so to say snout. We don't have snouts.
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Yes, so he was.
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That's the name of the episode.
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We don't we don't wink. So, needless to say, with
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all of these maladies that he had, he let's just say,
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became a target at school for bullying and by his
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own later accord, he mentions that this humiliation stuck with
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him for his whole life, and he felt marked as
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worthless or singled out from a young age. Which it's like, yeah,
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I get it. I don't condone bullying, but sometimes it
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rights itself, you know. But around his teenage years, he decided,
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I've had enough of this, and he decided to start working.
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Out, and he started looks maxing.
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Looks maxing, breaking.
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His jaw, injecting gold into his veins.
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Yes, precisely, And so he started getting stronger, a little
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bit more muscular. I think he was trying to correct
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the bow leganis by squatting, and he thought this would
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help him not get picked on anymore, which I guess
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kind of wore a little bit. But I do think
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that the getting made fun of from such a young age,
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there's kind of just no going back from that. But
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he developed quite a chip on his shoulder towards like authority, teachers,
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anybody who he felt was looking down on him, which
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ironically he thought was everybody because.
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He was small.
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For some reason. I don't know how this is correlated,
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but I guess at that point he developed a strong
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James Dean fixation. So he became obsessed with James Dean,
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trying to look like him, trying to act like him, haircut,
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smoking cigarettes, all that stuff, and you know, it fed
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into kind of this. What we'll get into is his
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persona later on in life. So that's kind of the
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backstory of middle school into high school.
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Yeah, that's reminding.
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Me of what was What episode was that. I think
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it was the Christine Collins case.
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We did.
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The guy the Chicken, the Wineville Chicken Coop murders guy.
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He's bullied like that at a young age. I'm sure
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that definitely has lasting impact for people, especially that are
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not stable of mind.
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Yeah, and now for first of probably many connections, I'll
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mention because Lincoln, Nebraska, it's much bigger now, but it
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used to be a small town and my wife's family
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is from here, my wife Abby, and so she actually
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taught at the middle school where Chuck went to school,
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and they found his old report cards and shockingly he
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was a terrible student. And so with him being a
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terrible student, he actually ended up dropping out of school
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and started doing manual labor. And one of his jobs
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he was he was a garbage man and again another
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side store. Sorry. One of my buddies who I went
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to college with his grandparents, Stark Weather, was the trash
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man for his grandparents, and so he uh throughout town
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kind of thing.
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And so do you think he's a benefit to having
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bow legs and being a trash man in some way?
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Likewise that what he went.
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For probably could just get the job kind of.
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Thing like sure, But how bow legged was bu legged?
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How bow legged was one of those old school game shows.
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He was so bow legged, how bull was.
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He had to be fairly bow legged. If this it's
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mentioned in like a few like when I was doing
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my research, like a few different places mentioned he was
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bow legged, and so I had a decent amount, right
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if that's do you guys watch Supernatural?
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I do not. So do you know who Johnson Accles is? Yes,
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he's bulegged. So is it like, is it that type
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of bu legged or is it like really severely bullgged.
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For the sake of the story, let's say it looks
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like somebody is actively tugging in opposite directions.
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Like a wishbone. He has like wishbone legs. Yeah, not
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to get not the dog, which we have mentioned on
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our podcast a few times.
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Have you ever seen somebody who's so bow legged that
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it actually scares you?
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I actually went to high school with someone who was
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bow legged, and it wasn't He wasn't made fun of,
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nothing like that. He was severely bull legged. It was
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more like that looks painful because it just looks painful
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to walk, And.
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It was like that.
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Yeah, and fun fact, he was on the Millennial for
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all the people. I remember this in TV's.
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Made Oh, which one the bull legged episode. Of course,
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he was.
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Supposed to be prom king, I think. So they came
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to my high school and they filmed that and it's
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so interesting.
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Yeah, hey did he win prom king?
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Okay, so that heavy.
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Sigh is too heavy of a sigh?
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Okay, Well, MTV likes to exaggerate things, and even my
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friends that were interviewed, they wanted them to talk shit
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about him, you know what I mean, to make it
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sound like, no, he's never gonna be prom king and
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stuff like that, which I think was hard for them
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at the time. And then he was going up against
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a very popular guy in my high school. But during
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prom night, the popular guy got kicked out because he
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was drunk and he was the other one that was
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running up for prom king. So you kind of do
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the math on that one.
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Interesting?
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Was it Lucien bow Legged Blue?
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No?
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Oh, well what I'm just trying to I'll tell you.
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His name after the pot I don't say on here.
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Yeah, this guy created the hip hop group Full Force.
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Oh you're going off too tangenty now. Yeah. I love
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how MTV was like, hey, does he remind you of
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Charles Starkweather with his bow leg and it is interesting. Yeah,
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I kind of forgot about that show. That's a memory.
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Unlocked of made of Like, just very interesting.
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That show was responsible for creating the metal band Attila
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by the way, well not creating them, but bringing them
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to popularity.
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That's very interesting stuff distracting me. Yes, yes, quit making
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us go on tangents. You did it, I did? I did?
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Where were we at in our notes? Oh uh? So?
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Now the creepy part starts with him being a you know,
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not the best guy, and he started to He first
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met Carol Fugate, who was several years younger, around nineteen
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fifty six slash fifty seven, and they became a couple.
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She was in middle school and he was a nineteen
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year old adult.
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Yep.
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Some accounts describe him as isolating her from her family,
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and his resentment towards her parents grew. And that's kind
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of where because of that tension it kind of started
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to spark the beginning of the spree.
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Yeah, and people who knew him prior to his infamy
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remember him as being quick tempered. He had like a
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real victim mentality.
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Like everyone's like out to get him.
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Like he was genuinely intelligent. In some accounts, which it
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doesn't specify which accounts, I would assume manipulation and abuse
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are probably what he was really intelligent in and a
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rebel image. However, in hindsight, people didn't think that would
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lead to what it led to, which is part of
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why the case unsettled people.
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He kind of was just he kind of was just one.
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Of those kids where you're like, Okay, he's clearly got
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some issues, but he's like, I don't know, he's not
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a threat or anything like that. I think that's how
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most people saw him.
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Harmless, right, probably just has like a loser, right, like
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as bad as the way to like put it that way, Like, oh,
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he's just you know, a loser.
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Yeah, he wasn't an outsider or anything, you know what
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I'm saying. So he's one of those guys where like
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people know him, he's just a kind of a troubled
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kid or whatever. But he did escalate beyond what anybody
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thought he would. And then there it kind of we
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can from here it kind of gets into the actual
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spree killings. So essentially it starts in December of fifty seven.
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With Robert Colvert.
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So, oh, this is his first official victim, and it
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happened where Chuck chucked the fuck robbed a gas station
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in Lincoln where the twenty one year old Robert Colvert
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was working, and he refused to sell him a stuffed
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animal on credit. Then he abducted Culvert for that, which
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why wouldn't you You don't let me get my teddy
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bear goodbye? You know? He drove Culvert to a rural
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area outside of town and simply shot him. This is
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widely regarded as his first murder, and at the time
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it wasn't immediately connected to him. It did take weeks
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before authorities identified him, even as a suspect, not the
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person who did it, but as a suspect.
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This case is.
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Often treated as his warm up or his practice moment,
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and from there it was kind of a well we're
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not going back. You know, this is gonna this is
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gonna continue from here. So just a PSA for anybody
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out there who's working in any sort of service job.
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If somebody comes in and wants the fucking build a bear,
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just let him take the build a bear.
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You know, when you're dating your middle school girlfriend, she
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needs a build a bear. It's true.
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I find it interesting that he didn't just kill him
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right there on the spot like that. He had to
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go at an extra step and abduct him first, take
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him somewhere else, and then do it.
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Especially because yeah, especially because it makes you wonder because
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at that time, it's not like there's cameras in the store.
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You know.
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So what what do you think prompted? Was it a
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situation where he was just so frustrated that he didn't
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know what to do and just like like attacked him
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and took him to his car, Like what do you think?
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How do you think that whole thing started?
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Maybe maybe it was just one of those situations where
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he on endpulse and then he wasn't sure what to
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do next and came to the conclusion all, I should
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probably just kill him now because I don't know what
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else to do.
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I don't know. Yeah, so again back to my connections.
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Where this gas station is is just like north of
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the university, which is downtown again college town. Now it's
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like kind of an Abandonden' gas station, but it's like
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on one of the major streets here in town. And
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I drove past it and I was like, oh, no
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idea that this place was like a site like significant
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in history of Lincoln of a play like a gas station,
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that it also that you could get stuff on credit.
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Like imagine going to a gas station nowadays and they're like, hey,
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I'll come pay you back. They're like, get the fuck
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out of here.
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Oh that's true, because that's probably what what year was that,
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fifty eight, fifty fifty seven? Yeah, is that before credit cards?
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I mean, that's probably a ste fucking question. That's before
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credit cards.
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Yeah, yeah, I don't know what year credit cards were invented,
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but back when they had the.
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Credit that they probably wrote down on a note pad
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and like waited for them to come back.
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Chuck the fuck owes fifteen cents for Teddy.
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This the next murders. He kind of laid murderers. He
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kind of laid low until So first murder took place
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back in December, early December nineteen fifty seven. Now moving
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to January twenty first, nineteen fifty eight, and this is
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where later, So this is where it like really starts
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to kick off. Chuck the Fuck went to Carol's family's
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home where her mother, stepfather, and two year old half
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sister Betty Jean were, and he murdered all three. Wait,
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hold on, is this the girlfriend? Yep? So he went
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to the girlfriend's house because you know, her family like
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we're like, hey, don't date this grown up man, as
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any sensible adult would do. And so he was like,
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they're keeping me away from her, and so I'm going
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to murder them and the baby.
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Did she know he was gonna do that.
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I don't know if she knew. But then they like
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ended up staying in the house for like a week
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with that. So he killed all three and so they
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hid the bodies. So there was like a cause. Again,
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this was like an old timeyt There was like an outhouse,
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so they put the mom and the baby in there
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and then put the step dad in like the basement,
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and then they lived in the house for a week.
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And then anytime anyone like would come over because again
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kind of a smaller town back then, like family would
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be like, hey, we haven't you know seen uh you
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know the dad in a bit, how's it going. They're like, oh, no,
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everyone has the flu. You don't want to come in here,
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and so they uh yeah, they just lived in the
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house with them, like turning away visitors. Yeah, just telling
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everyone like they were had the flu.
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Wow.
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Is this what natural boring Kellers is based off?
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It is nicely done? Yep, this is that taking our
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notes already.
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Now, yeah, it just sounds familiar.
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Yeah, that's uh what it's based off of. And so yeah,
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they lived there for pretty much a week and then
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moving on to the next murder.
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It's also funny too, because at that point, isn't it
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funny that people are coming around being like, oh, we
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haven't seen anybody for five days? Is everybody okay? And
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they're like yeah, they're just uh, they got the stomach flu,
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and everybody's like, oh shit, I'm going I'm out of here.
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Like nobody even questions the fact that people have just
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been gone for days and like, oh yeah, stomach flu.
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That makes it so back in the day that probably
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I mean, was that still killing people in the fifties
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or was it the flu flu like the upper respiratory.
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Flu blue flu they said they had, like the flu.
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Okay, that makes more sense. I was thinking, like a stomach.
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Now, yeah, which it probably was, right, I don't know,
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it's still yeah, that's true. Okay, that makes more sense.
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But I just love the fact that they're like, oh,
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who are you again, what are you now?
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Oh?
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Yeah, sure, okay, I believe you. The nineteen year old
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boyfriend of a twelve year old. That makes sense, Yes,
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no questions here.
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I think she was she was fourteen, but even then,
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that's still like middle schooler. Yeah, he would like to
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pick her up from the middle school like that. And
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I bet he didn't drive a cool Chevy Camaro.
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Like, hey, your brother's here to pick you up.
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Right exactly. That's even before Rio Speedwagon. It's not like
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he's rolling up in style you know.
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The band, Yeah, good keeper, just blasting that somehow.
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Yeah, So, don't ruin songs.
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Let's be stuck in my head all day now.
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We joke on our podcast. It's not a podcast unless
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I sing terribly. Yeah.
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So him murdering her whole family was January twenty first
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of fifty eight, And this is important because that was
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just a little over a year after his first killing
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of Robert Culvert, right, so it went about thirteen months
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before between kills and then of math it was like
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two months what, no, December one of fifty seven. Oh,
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you're right, I thought it was January fifty nine. Okay,
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So then never mind, I'm prefacing nothing because that's almost
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no time in between.
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So he's moving quick.
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I was like, that's a long time to not escalate.
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That goes here stereia from like serial killer like spree
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to cereal. That's true. I guess I don't know what
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the do you guys know what the definition spree is.
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It have to be within a certain amount of time
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versus like cereal is like amount, Yeah.
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Cereal is more than three I believe, or at least
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three victims you've killed, And I think spree is like
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you're like bam, dam dam, Yeah, just like a massacre.
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Maybe sure, yeah, because I think spree is less about
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the amount, right and.
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Just how quickly quickly? Yeah?
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Okay, so that makes more sense. So he went December
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one fifty seven January twenty first, fifty eight, and then
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his third victim was Robert van Busch and his whole
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family on January twenty seventh, so six days later.
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Hold up before we go on, Yeah.
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I have a question.
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Mm hmmm.
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So between the first and the second, you said that
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it took weeks for them to even make him a
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suspect for the first killing. So what happened with that? Like,
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how was he still free to continue on with his
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murderings free?
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I think they would just had him as a suspect.
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They didn't.
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I think he was just in a long line. Yeah,
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I'm sure, especially at that at that time, I'm sure
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they were just like, hey, where were you and he
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was like, oh, I was with my girlfriend, and they're
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like okay, yeah, well there's your alibi my sister.
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Yeah.
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Was there any particular reason why he was a.
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Suspect, Let's see.
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I think it was just because, like he was known
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around the area, probably going I wonder if his name
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was already in the credit book, because if they weren't
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going to give him credit, they're like, man, you've you've
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you haven't paid us back from last time.
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I'm sure there's a proximity basis for that too.
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Yeah, like the gas in the area.
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He's kind of a weirdo and he's been here trying
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to be on credit.
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Yeah. So the gas station was like fairly close to
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the few Gates house, like a mile or so away
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from their house, probably one of the closer broadcast stations.
491
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:10.799
So we are we are back in January twenty seventh,
492
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:16.640
nineteen fifty eight, six days after he murdered his I
493
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:18.400
don't can we call her a girlfriend? I don't think
494
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.279
that's fair what to call her his girlfriend? I mean,
495
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.880
she I don't think that's.
496
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.480
So like Stockholm syndrome.
497
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.119
Yeah, like there's manipulation going on here.
498
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.920
It's yeah, that's well kind of jumping the shark a
499
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.960
little bit, or jumping the gun of There is a Showtime,
500
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:43.559
fairly recent Showtime series on Carol Fugate about called the
501
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.680
Twelfth Victim. We'll get into it. Oh, we'll pause there.
502
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.440
We'll get into what the affair and happens at the end.
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00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:54.079
So until we reach that portion, I'm just gonna say
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00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.000
girlfriend because it's just easier. Yes, So, six days after
505
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:03.279
he murders his girlfriends family, we now arrive at the
506
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.960
Robert von Bush and family visit and August Meyer. So
507
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:14.920
when suspicion started mounting and relatives grew concerned about the
508
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.119
family being missing, stark Weather and Fugate fled from the
509
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.319
family's house where they were living for about a week.
510
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.960
They went to a farm of a family friend, and
511
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.640
that family friend is August Meyer, and I guess they
512
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:35.000
just shot him. Very very little information I guess about this.
513
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:36.839
I wonder if that's just because it's a farm and
514
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.000
people are like, ah, no one knows what goes on
515
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:39.799
at farm. Yeah.
516
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.799
Also, my poor note taking I think he also shot
517
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.279
the dog. Oh, I don't know if that's relevant.
518
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:50.519
Yeah, you kind of let that out, Christian. Oh.
519
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.079
So anyways, so they flee the house after a week
520
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.440
because everybody starts I'm assuming the knocking and the checking
521
00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.599
in becomes incessant at this.
522
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.680
Probably trying to break it in at some point to
523
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.599
be like, hey, like, what's up going on? Especially sure
524
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:09.079
you know, I'm guessing they probably had Carol like open
525
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.960
the door first, and I wonder for one time stark
526
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.319
Weather answered it, and they're like, what are you doing here?
527
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.559
Who the fuck is this guy?
528
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.920
Was she still going to school like a normal life.
529
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.559
Oh, that's a good point. That is a good question.
530
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.119
It's a good point. I would assume not.
531
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.480
I'm sure that's part of the reason why they're coming
532
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.119
to visit, because the entire family's just missing.
533
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.720
Nobody's not showing up to work and like yeah, yeah.
534
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.079
So anyway, so anyway, so they so they are in
535
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.279
the house for about a week, they flee. They go
536
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.000
to a family friend's farm and kill the owner of
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00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.400
the farm. That's January twenty seventh of fifty eight. That
538
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:54.440
same day they they flee that area. Now that they've
539
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:59.039
killed him. They get in their car and they end
540
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:04.160
up running into people called named Robert Jensen and Carol King.
541
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.119
They are two local teenagers and oh, I see what happened. Okay,
542
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:15.599
So stark Weather and Flugate were fleeing. They drove the
543
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:21.039
car into mud and got stuck. They're on country roads
544
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.359
and so they can't get out, so they abandon it
545
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.559
and they start walking. Essentially, I assume some sort of
546
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.519
hitchhiking type of situation arises. That's when Robert Jensen and
547
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:37.039
Carol King stumble upon them, two local teenagers, and they
548
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.640
stop and offer them a ride. And this is probably
549
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.759
why people say, don't do that, so they pick him up.
550
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.640
He makes them go back to the farmhouse. This is
551
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.440
when he shoots Jensen in the back of the head
552
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:58.200
and then attempts to grape Carol King. I'm saying grape
553
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.720
just so we don't get demonetized. But then King, to
554
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.119
her credit, put up too much of a fight for
555
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.640
him to do so, so rock on Carol King and
556
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.440
gave up, gave too much resistance. That's when he became
557
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.640
obviously very angry with her and then shot her as well.
558
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.960
Stark Weather later admitted to shooting Jensen, but claimed that
559
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.119
Fugate shot King, and then Fugate said that she had
560
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.319
stayed in the car the entire time. She was none
561
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:33.839
the wiser, and then the two fled from Bennett in
562
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.720
Robert Jensen's car after that, So essentially, long story short,
563
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.720
they get caught in the mud, get picked up, and
564
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.279
kill those two who picked them up, and now they're
565
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.000
back on the run. Just two local teens trying to
566
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.240
be good Samaritans.
567
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.759
Especially like in again small town middle of America, like
568
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.079
you're not You're like, oh, people are roughly our age,
569
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.759
need help. We'll just you know, pick him up in
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00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.359
the car. That's actually a good point.
571
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.839
Would you would you have stopped nowadays?
572
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.400
Then probably.
573
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.960
This episode was on Deadly Women and they actually looking
574
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.640
at the perspectives of the profiler. They believe that her
575
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.720
name is Carol, right. They believe that she was full
576
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.039
on board with everything, and then after they got caught,
577
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.000
she played the victim like he kidnapped me all this
578
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.839
stuff or whatever. But during that scene that you just said,
579
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:38.960
they believe that Carol was the one that shot the
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00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.200
girl because.
581
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.960
Carol Carol on Carol Crime.
582
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.039
Yeah, because she got upset that stark Weather was trying
583
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:54.400
to essay that woman, so.
584
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:55.519
He was telling the truth.
585
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.359
So they Yeah, but she said she didn't do it. Obviously,
586
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.200
She's like, I'm young, I don't know what I'm doing.
587
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.839
Play that victim card. But she's the one that turned
588
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.719
around and went back in there and killed her. Interesting
589
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.440
because she got pissed off.
590
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.679
So some jealousy, Yeah, some jealousy sparked up.
591
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:16.920
Hmm. Interesting.
592
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.280
Yeah, I think back in the day, I mean, I
593
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.679
probably would have stopped. I assume, like Christian said, they're
594
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.599
about your age. Maybe they even kind of were aware
595
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:27.360
of who each other was a little bit. I don't
596
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.400
know how small of a town it was or anything
597
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:31.960
like that, but you know, you see it.
598
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.360
I guess a fourteen year old and a twenty year
599
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.360
old you're not going to think anything of it, I guess,
600
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.480
especially have you got Have any of you ever hitchhiked?
601
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.840
I have a lot?
602
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.960
Yes, what where?
603
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.559
I mean, to be fair, it was hiking the Appalachian Trail,
604
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.519
so I needed right into town.
605
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:53.880
I feel like that's a little different.
606
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.880
It is. It's hitchhiking though.
607
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.679
Yeah, I had hiked in Ireland because we were out
608
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.440
in the middle of nowhere, and so I feel.
609
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.159
Like that's a horror movie waiting to happen.
610
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.880
I was just gonna say, there were like three of us,
611
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.199
so it didn't feel as.
612
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.760
Bad as exactly you get kidnapped by a leprecaun.
613
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.079
I think they offered us some whiskey like that is.
614
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.840
Have you ever picked up a hitchhiker? Fuck? No, I
615
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.159
I don't consider this a hitchhiker. So, like, I lived
616
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.079
in Colorado and we drive up into the mountains quite
617
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.039
a bit, and it was a long one like this
618
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:39.519
really good river for like rafting like or like you know,
619
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.000
kayaks like with rapids and stuff. And so there was
620
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:48.519
a guy who like we picked up very clearly rafting
621
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.119
or would have been a great serial killer disguised now
622
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.960
that I think about it, And like we took him
623
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.000
like back to his car up on the mountain kind
624
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:02.639
of thing. So like I've done that, But nah, I
625
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:03.239
ever have.
626
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.360
But I'm pretty sure when I was a kid, because
627
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.119
I grew up in the middle of nowhere, I'm pretty
628
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.880
sure either my grandparents or somebody I was riding with
629
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.639
have picked people up before and given them a ride.
630
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.440
But it never ended up in anybody's deaths. Okay.
631
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.840
I think it depends on scenario too, Like highway, no
632
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.480
like kind of situation. That's that's what I feel like,
633
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:32.159
where like it's.
634
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.559
Murdery versus And I would actually say the opposite, to
635
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.559
be honest with you, because highway there's so many people,
636
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.480
the likelihood that somebody witnesses it is actually a little
637
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.960
bit higher, Like if you're gonna get killed, you're gonna
638
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.079
get killed. But what I'm saying is the witness portion
639
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.960
of is much higher than a back road in the
640
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.320
middle of nowhere. Nobody sees anything, nobody hears anything, and
641
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.360
then people just end up gone.
642
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.199
So I would do the opposite.
643
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.000
I think if I if somebody's like, you have to
644
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.440
pick up a hitchhiker once in your life, I would
645
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.239
choose to do it on a highway or a main
646
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.000
busy street.
647
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.400
I guess another time I've technically picked up not a hitchhiker,
648
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.760
but uh it was when I worked at the University
649
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.480
of Michigan. A guy had missed his bus and he
650
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.280
like frantically ran up to me and was like, Hey,
651
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.239
can you give me a ride to next bus stop
652
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.519
so I can like catch my bus? And I was like, yeah,
653
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.400
so I like, there was only a few blocks, but
654
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.199
I just like it was like, yeah, I very clearly
655
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.239
could I saw him miss his bus, and so I
656
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.320
was like, yeah, I'll give you a ride. That's just
657
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.880
too like too Midwestern of me, I feel, though, to
658
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:43.559
just be like, yeah, I get in the car.
659
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.400
There's a difference between men and women.
660
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.639
That's true. Yes, my wife lets me know that all
661
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.039
the time, where she's like, you know, if you were
662
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.039
a woman, you had been murdered so many times for
663
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.880
the things you've done, Like all the women.
664
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.599
That were killed hitchhiking in the seventies, but all the
665
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.360
serial killers like Kemper and Bundy, not men women.
666
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.519
That's true.
667
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.880
So it's like a double standard here. So that's why
668
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.360
I won't pick up any hitchhiker.
669
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.360
What's now No. One hundred as a man. It's very
670
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.039
much different.
671
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.599
And when you get so if you are hitchhiking as
672
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.760
a female, I assume, do you do you play the
673
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.719
all right, it's got to be a truck so I
674
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.920
can sit in the truck bed, or it's got to be,
675
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.760
you know, an suv so I can sit in the back.
676
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.559
Because I assume when you get picked up you're not
677
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.599
just sitting in the front seat with them.
678
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.320
Oh my god, maybe I'm wrong.
679
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.559
Anybody look at the girl in the box, you know
680
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.800
that story. She was picked up by a family with
681
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.920
a baby. So, I mean, do you really trust anybody nowadays?
682
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:54.880
Well, you're the one hitchhiked.
683
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.320
I'm guessing you were alone though, right, that's I think
684
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.119
it's a big difference, like power numbers kind of thing.
685
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.239
And I would have some of the guys come with
686
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.639
me because they could only get rides if a woman
687
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.480
was in their group.
688
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.519
That makes sense. That makes sense.
689
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.719
Okay, that makes that makes more sense.
690
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.239
Yeah, so more or less, Sorry, don't don't hitchhike, er
691
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:18.760
pick pick up hitchhikers.
692
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.960
I guess unless you want to, I guess you know what,
693
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.280
do whatever you want.
694
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.760
That's yeah, we're not here. Where's people on a podcast
695
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:36.800
talking about dark weather? All right? Day next dayow January
696
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:42.440
twenty eighth, nineteen fifty eight. So after the events that
697
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.840
happened at the farm, they so also Bennett is just
698
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.760
a small still a pretty small town outside of Nebraska,
699
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.840
very farm very like country roads, like gravel road kind
700
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.920
of place. So after that they decide to come back
701
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:01.039
into link and proper. And and the next place they
702
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.199
go is to what it is referred to as the
703
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.719
Ward House. And so again kind of my personal connect
704
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.079
I feel like some of this details I'm gonna end
705
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.519
up like doxing myself by accident. But so they go
706
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:21.079
to the Ward House and every day, pretty much every
707
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.559
every weekday because I have to drop off my son
708
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.000
and my mother in laws while I work, but I
709
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.639
drive past the Ward House every day, so I see
710
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.760
this house every day. What they did they knew of
711
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.320
the Ward family specifically, the husband was see lower Ward.
712
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.760
He was a wealthy, local predominant businessman here in Lincoln.
713
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:44.760
I can't remember what he owned, but he owned some
714
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.840
type of so so, you know, really big, beautiful, old
715
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:54.760
white house. And so first they were like kind of
716
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.840
being opportunity. I don't think they intentionally went there to
717
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.320
murder everyone, but they because they're like, oh, we can
718
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.639
steal stuff or like get money from them. So they
719
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:09.360
go to the house. First they kill the housekeeper Lilian Fencil.
720
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.800
I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly. And then
721
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.440
after that the wife comes home, first murders her, and
722
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.000
then eventually the husband comes home and they make him
723
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.639
like open up the safe, I believe, and get the
724
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.960
money from there. And so it's often noted as the
725
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.960
point where the case shifted from like rule working class
726
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.519
violence to something that actually like terrified the entire city,
727
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.239
because like not a lot had been known at that
728
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.679
point of like the family being murdered, but like having
729
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.280
you know. Of course, anytime a rich person gets killed,
730
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:49.280
it makes much more news, and so it h this
731
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.679
is where everyone Lincoln starts to freak the fuck out,
732
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.840
which I'll get into more detail later section. But yeah, and.
733
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.800
Everything happened in such quick succession. I'm sure that this
734
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:08.719
I feel like this slew of murders probably is what
735
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.079
started all of the attention.
736
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.280
Yep. So at this point, too had made the papers
737
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.239
that the like Fugate family had been murdered, and they
738
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:26.199
were starting to like search for people like for star
739
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.480
Weather and for you Gate. And this also goes back
740
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.440
to what Montana was talking about of where like Carol
741
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.320
the girlfriend was actually like what they believed that she
742
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.880
was actually part of it, because they clipped out the
743
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.840
article from the newspaper and she had it like on
744
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.559
her when they were like caught, and so they're like, oh,
745
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.719
they were keeping like momentos. Yeah, interesting, yep, and so yeah,
746
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.599
drive past that house every day, and I think we
747
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.559
talked about on our podcasts. I meant to look it up.
748
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.960
I have no idea if they had it, like when
749
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.559
whoever buys or sells that house at the disclose that like, hey,
750
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.039
a grouesome murder and history happened here, especially in the fifties.
751
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.920
I don't know if that was.
752
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.719
You know, what's the statute of limitations? Even if you
753
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.360
did have to, let's say, starting in the eighties, you
754
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.519
have to disclose any killings, does it retro back to
755
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:21.960
the Yeah.
756
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.960
I don't use. I don't know. Also, I don't know
757
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.400
if I would go on to lit like because I'm
758
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.159
guessing people come see it because it's like a kind
759
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.559
of famous house, like you know, as part of the
760
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.000
stark Weather. Yeah, it's just a normal looking house now,
761
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.039
Like if you had no idea who like stark Weather
762
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.599
was or anything like that. Now it's it's it's not
763
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:48.960
like these are like the really really nice old houses
764
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.679
of like Lincoln. It's like right outside the country entrance
765
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.599
of the country club. So that's a street you like
766
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.400
drive down to to get to like the really nice
767
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.679
old country club and so like you know, all of
768
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.400
the house is on there, just gorgeous, old, beautiful mansions
769
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.440
and so yeah, so when a.
770
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.840
Rich white I guess white people go are being killed,
771
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.440
definitely would make the news.
772
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.880
Oh yeah, hundred percent. And like it's I can't remember
773
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.840
what business Ward was in, but he was like a
774
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.159
pretty like predominant person in Lincoln.
775
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.880
So yeah, well known, well known, wealthy. That's a recipe
776
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:31.760
for getting caught. Oh yeah. So after the Ward killings,
777
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.559
this is when stark Weather and fugates started to flee
778
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:39.119
west and they stole the Ward's car to do so.
779
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.519
They started heading towards Wyoming. At this point, a traveling
780
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:51.440
shoe salesman Merle Collison was killed near Douglas, Wyoming. The
781
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:56.880
tenth and the final murder in Starkwell Spree. Shortly after
782
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.559
the murder, a passing driver, Oh Sprinkle, Oh there's a
783
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:02.960
little light at the end of the tunnel.
784
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:03.599
That's nice.
785
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:09.079
Yeah, Joe Sprinkle was nearly killed two but managed to
786
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.280
grab the gun during the struggle. Stark Weather then fled
787
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:14.360
in Sprinkle's car.
788
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.599
My mind automatically went to the gutter on that name.
789
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.760
With a cherry on top, so where are we? Okay,
790
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.920
so he was near So Sprinkle was nearly killed. Two
791
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.039
took the gun away, and then stark Weather said, fuck this,
792
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.360
I'm gonna steal this car. So that's two stolen cars
793
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:44.440
now three at three, three stolen cars now and this chase,
794
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.719
I guess, oh wait there was a car chase. Yeah,
795
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.079
oh a share, Oh a sheriff. How did the sheriff
796
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:56.920
get involved? These notes are awful.
797
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:02.239
So at the yeah, I know, as I was riding,
798
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.519
the sheriff come from. So while this is going on.
799
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.679
So this happened on the highway. As it was going on,
800
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.199
it happened by chance that a like state trooper was
801
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.480
driving by and like Sprinkle waved him down and like, hey,
802
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.800
a man and his teenage girlfriend stole my car, go
803
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.440
get them. Or he was like I think it's because
804
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.079
I think at this point ed made national news, like
805
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.639
stark Weather was out on like there on the lamb
806
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.199
kind of thing. He was like stark Weather tried like,
807
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.159
stole my car, go get him, and so like again,
808
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.119
just by happened chance the state trooper was right there
809
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.360
and started to chase stark Weather and Carol.
810
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.199
Okay, okay, So Anyways, that's the chase that led to
811
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.280
the eventual capture. The sheriff did eventually catch up to them.
812
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.719
That is when Fugate separately ran toward the arriving police
813
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.320
officer and reportedly said that stark Weather was going to
814
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.159
kill her as well. So we have a real judas
815
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:05.199
an stuffs a turncoat. Yeah, and this became part of
816
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.320
her defense later on down the line in her as
817
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.639
we talked about earlier, saying that she had nothing to
818
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.159
do with it. Stark Weather continued to drive off and
819
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.840
then was involved in a car chase, car chase with
820
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:18.920
three officers.
821
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.039
Officer, this is the same part. Sorry, my notes are terrible.
822
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.840
That was combining more details on the chase with speeds.
823
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.079
Of up to one hundred miles per hour or one
824
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.440
hundred and sixty kilometers per hour. I don't know how
825
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.880
many people you have who want that information, but just
826
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.960
so you know, then a bullet.
827
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.920
Yes, yeah, that's the part I'm thorough on, not the
828
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.000
actual great did it.
829
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.719
Yeah, So in the in the high speed chase, a
830
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.039
bullet fired by the officer shattered the windshield and flying glass,
831
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.159
then cut stark Weather deep enough to cause bleeding. That's
832
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.280
when he stopped and surrendered and was taken into custody
833
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:03.880
near Douglas January twenty ninth, nineteen fifty eight. He thought
834
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.559
he was bleeding to death. That's why he stopped. And
835
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.440
that's the kind of yellow son of a bitch he is,
836
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:12.559
is what the sheriff said.
837
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.000
Yeah, let me caught him.
838
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.440
They caught him so high speed chase shot through the glass,
839
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:21.079
cut him, and then he cried like a little bitch,
840
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.800
Chuck the fuck, Chuck the goddamn fuck.
841
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:29.239
YEP.
842
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.960
So in total, that's a good one.
843
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:40.039
That will keep us from getting a deep Just take
844
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:46.079
schmuck and put it over every fuck I mean schmucks.
845
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.800
So a little bit more about Lincoln during that time period.
846
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.679
So of course, like everyone was freaking the fuck out,
847
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.920
is the best way to sum it up, because they're like,
848
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.719
what do we do? So like, I guess. Gun sales
849
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.440
reportedly spiked in the city after the stuff came out.
850
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.360
Many people started to like board up their windows and
851
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.440
barcade themselves, especially after the Ward murder. They're like, this
852
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.639
guy is a lunatic. We don't know what's going to happen.
853
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.920
People started to not like send their kids to school.
854
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.880
People didn't go to work for a bit until they
855
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:29.719
were caught. The governor actually called out the Nebraska National
856
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.840
Guard to search from home to home. And again another
857
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:36.199
personal connection, my wife Abby, her grandpa was part of
858
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:41.559
the National Guard during that time, and he sat My
859
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.280
wife said that he said that like they were like,
860
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.719
if you saw him, just start shooting. Essentially, like don't
861
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.719
ask questions if you see stark Weather, just because that's
862
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.119
how like bad everything was.
863
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.199
It's on site with stark Weather.
864
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.840
Yep, pretty much. I guess the entire city on every
865
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.920
major road and highway was like blocked off like barricade,
866
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.880
so like if you were to get out that it
867
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.159
would like they would. They were doing everything they could
868
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.599
to try to stop this man, especially because like again,
869
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.519
not a lot going on. It's also considered one of
870
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.559
the first like murder sprees to ever really be on
871
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.679
television or have it be on television, because television was
872
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.639
would have been on radio, and so it just became
873
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.920
a big thing. And so yeah, people people freaked the
874
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.320
fuck out, which sounds very similar to what would happen
875
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.960
today in Lincoln, to be honest, if there was a
876
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:40.639
spreed killer.
877
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.679
I also find it funny it says here. Because the
878
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.079
rumors were spreading fast. This led to a lot of
879
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.920
false sightings and wrong houses being swarmed by police officers.
880
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.400
So they're just breaking into random houses based on rumors
881
00:50:56.440 --> 00:51:01.880
that people were saying. So that's kind of yeah, can't
882
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:02.679
blame them though.
883
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:07.320
That would be very scary to never know if you're
884
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.960
going to be the next one, you know.
885
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.400
Yeah, but all that crime shows I watch, like let's
886
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.880
say they're on America's Most Wanted or they're wanted for something,
887
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:24.159
whenever they have to follow every oh lead, yeah they
888
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.480
get and it's like thousands and thousands, but they have
889
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:27.119
to do it.
890
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.599
Yeah, because you never know if that's going to be
891
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:30.440
the real one.
892
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.960
Yeah, especially how is seriously especially in the town as
893
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:38.920
small as Lincoln.
894
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.320
So it's the population of Lincoln roughly at that time,
895
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:47.559
because it was almost nineteen sixty, was about one hundred
896
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:51.039
and twenty thousand, so like not small but still not
897
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:51.760
like tiny.
898
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.039
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not fifteen people, but that's
899
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:56.840
one hundred thousand is relatively small.
900
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:02.760
Yes, you know, see they never left, like they stayed
901
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.760
in the area. You think they probably have got away
902
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.559
with it if they if they moved on from Nebraska.
903
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:11.079
Well, so so they did. So after the war, that's
904
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.760
when they like they fled to Wyoming. And so where
905
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.719
all this stuff happened was in Wyoming. I don't know
906
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.400
how they got.
907
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.280
Out, Okay, yeah, they so they stole the cars, remember that,
908
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.199
they stole the car, and then they fled west and
909
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.719
they were trying to get to Wyoming, and then that's
910
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.440
when all the ship with us our friend Sprinkle occurred.
911
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.679
Okay, they saw it get very far though.
912
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:40.840
It's decently far, that's like attached. Yeah, but it's like
913
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:46.320
four over four hundred miles two. Nebraska's a really long state.
914
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.320
It's but I don't even think they made it to Wyoming,
915
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:49.599
did they.
916
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.559
I think they were head there, No, Douglas.
917
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:52.800
They probably.
918
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:55.760
Where they got caught was in Douglas, Wyoming.
919
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.679
You probably barely made it. I wonder how far into
920
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:05.360
Wyoming Douglas is on barely over the borders, because that
921
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:06.559
is a long fucking drive.
922
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.639
Yeah especially yeah, pretty much just over the border.
923
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.440
Yeah, I figured because think about that too, just the
924
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.239
gas alone, that's why I'm to steal another car, you know.
925
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:24.159
So that's interesting.
926
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.400
So now we get into the aftermath of this. So
927
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:33.000
after their capture in Douglas, Wyoming on January twenty ninth.
928
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.840
Stark Weather was then extra added to Nebraska and.
929
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.239
Id a big word there, Hey, I just.
930
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.800
Made that up, he initially tried to pin. I don't
931
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.880
know what it means, but I did use it. He
932
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:51.280
initially tried to pin more blame on Fugate, at one point,
933
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.760
claiming she had been an active participant in some of
934
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.000
the killings, before later softening on that account. Fugate made
935
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.360
maintains that she was held against her will and feared
936
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.079
for her life throughout the ordeal. So there you go.
937
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.199
That's kind of what we were talking about. Where was
938
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:08.920
she involved?
939
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:09.440
Was she not?
940
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.280
Per her claims she was not, but per his claim
941
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.800
she was. And she's the one with the clip of
942
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.199
the newspaper on her at the time. So it is
943
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:20.800
kind of one of those situations of it.
944
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:21.239
He said.
945
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.639
She said, as Fred Durst would say, bullshit, And so
946
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:27.840
that's said.
947
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:30.280
It's all about that, he said.
948
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.199
And then as far as the trials go, stark Weather
949
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.480
was tried for the murder of Robert Jensen and that
950
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.880
was yeah, that was used as the basis for the prosecution,
951
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.559
and he was convicted of that and sentenced to life.
952
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.480
I'm sorry, sentenced to death, not life. You're sentenced to life, bitch,
953
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.679
You're gonna You're gonna live out the rest of your days.
954
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:58.320
So help me, god by by the mercy of this court.
955
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.159
What a what a tragedy? Okay that joke? Yes, yeah,
956
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.760
it was terrible. So he was sentenced to death but
957
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.119
only for the killing of one person, which.
958
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.320
I think probably because because like not to get lawyery,
959
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.559
because I'm not a lawyer. You're a lawyer. I have
960
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.199
a lot. Uh, it's easier, like you go with your
961
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.880
best case, especially because at that time, like murder was
962
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.880
just death penalty in Nebraska, and so they went with
963
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:32.960
the easiest case. And then especially if you had fegate
964
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.360
there to be like, yep, he did it kind of thing.
965
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.159
I do have an interesting fact because I saw that
966
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.280
he was put to death and I was like, it
967
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:46.360
made me think, was that the last execution? God happened
968
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:52.360
to Nebraska? And God, no, it was not Nebraska loves
969
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:53.280
frying people.
970
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.599
Yeah it was. It was. It was like almost to
971
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:57.960
the two thousands, I think they were.
972
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.039
Twenty eighteen was the last execution.
973
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.760
The execution but not the electric chair.
974
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.320
Well, I used fry people to spice up the story.
975
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.119
No, we used the electric chair. It was called old Sparky.
976
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:15.880
That's what they called the electric chair, and they used
977
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:17.199
it far too long.
978
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:18.880
Oh gallicy, that is dark.
979
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.280
What happened with Carol?
980
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:22.679
Oh?
981
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.199
Yes, yeah, here we go. That's the problem with tangents.
982
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:32.480
So Fugate was tried separately, and hers became more legally
983
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.960
and morally contested than stark Well, for obvious reasons. She
984
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:40.000
was fourteen during the murders. She was only fifteen at
985
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.400
the time of the trial, so that alone kind of
986
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.320
gives her a little bit more of a plausible deniability
987
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.599
in the situation. The prosecution argued that she was a
988
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.280
willing accomplice, but her defense argued that she was a
989
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.639
terrified hostage with no real chance to escape or to
990
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:05.159
get help. She was convicted of first degree murdy murdy,
991
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:12.320
murdy murty, Old Sparky and murdy damn.
992
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.320
I almost made it through. I almost made it through. Also,
993
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:20.559
let's see old Sparky. When they quit us an old Sparky.
994
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:20.920
It was.
995
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.199
Oh, hanging was illegal in Nebraska as well for execution. Sorry,
996
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.239
this is not a good article. Hey, that's how that
997
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:33.840
feels Christian. Yeah.
998
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:38.320
So she was convicted of first degree murderer murder as
999
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.519
a party to the crime.
1000
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.000
See, that's why I fucked it up.
1001
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:44.880
Because murder party, murdy parter, murdy murder party.
1002
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:46.719
That's tough. That's tough.
1003
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.960
She was convicted of first degree Yeah, whatever you say,
1004
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:51.480
just keep making excuse me.
1005
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.519
Sorry, we were using the electric chair TEB two thousand
1006
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:54.840
and eight.
1007
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.000
Baby, whoa, I was only ten years off in.
1008
00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.159
The state of Nebraska.
1009
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.719
The last the last execution was.
1010
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.599
Well, then we got rid of the death penalty, and
1011
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:13.719
then some great Nebraska governor was like, nope, we're going
1012
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:14.280
to bring.
1013
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.280
Back the death bring it back, bring back hold Sparky
1014
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:17.039
out of retirement.
1015
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.519
Nope. And then yeah, then they did. I think. So
1016
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:22.639
she was sentenced.
1017
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.679
She was sentenced to life in a noticeably harsh outcome
1018
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.320
for someone her age, and it remains the most debated
1019
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:32.360
part of the whole case.
1020
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.199
I'm sorry when you fucked up your words. It was
1021
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.159
just making me think of how I messed up your
1022
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.199
guys's podcast name last episode.
1023
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:44.119
I don't know if.
1024
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:51.599
I was like, I was like, yeah, we were on
1025
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:59.199
what did I say? Remain thees remain ramone.
1026
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:03.280
Remain ramote romote. No, it's okay, Christian to keep laughing about.
1027
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.599
Oh yeah, we even Joe cal We are like, what
1028
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.280
a great name to name a podcast, such a little
1029
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:09.840
happy one.
1030
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.000
I'm so happy we chose the not only the alliteration,
1031
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.280
but also quite the mouthful.
1032
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.760
Yes, yeah, sorry to interrupt, but no, I had to
1033
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:20.280
get that off.
1034
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.000
Might make us stop talking at some point.
1035
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:26.400
No, please continue.
1036
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.800
But yeah, So she did get sentenced to life at
1037
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.280
fifteen years old, So just think about that.
1038
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:33.480
At fifteen you're.
1039
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:38.519
Responsible or not maybe responsible, but a party two eleven murders,
1040
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.119
and then you spend the rest of your life in jail.
1041
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:44.000
I don't know how long she lived.
1042
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.079
Till well, I was about to tell you.
1043
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.360
I'm honestly surprised by that. I wasn't expecting her to
1044
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.000
get that much of a punishment.
1045
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.880
Yeah, I don't know, is it.
1046
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.559
I think she killed Carol. I think she killed Carol.
1047
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.719
That's what I was going to say, Carol, Carol.
1048
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:06.119
Here's the thing, though, did they say how much how
1049
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.679
many gunshots Carol had? It?
1050
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.760
Probably did, but I think it was one of the
1051
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.480
back of the head and some other research. I didn't
1052
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:18.440
put it in But about with the going back to
1053
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:23.599
the rich family, the wife had like multiple multiple stab
1054
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:29.679
wounds and they said that Carol, yeah did that as well.
1055
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.360
Somebody was pissed because she would get mad if you
1056
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:36.360
try to essay the women. So it's her. She had
1057
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.159
full I think she had full responsibility.
1058
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:40.880
I don't disagree with you.
1059
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.440
Yeah, was she impressionable, Yes she was young, of course,
1060
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.239
but there are many times she probably could have got
1061
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.079
help or yeah.
1062
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.280
She had she was like in the house for a week, like.
1063
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.159
But the other thing about the trophies.
1064
01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.519
And keeping trophies exactly, and the other thing about that
1065
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.960
too is I'm probably gonna take a lot of shit
1066
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.360
for this, but think about she was a party two.
1067
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.679
Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't actually have, you know,
1068
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.280
pull the trigger herself or stap you whatever. Let's just
1069
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.880
say for the argument's sake, we don't know for sure
1070
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:22.360
she was fourteen years old and witnessed eleven or ten murders,
1071
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.719
because I don't think she witnessed the first one now,
1072
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.320
but witnessed ten murders from somebody that she was quote
1073
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.000
unquote dating at the time. I just don't think you
1074
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:39.480
get over that after four years in juviie, you know what,
1075
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.119
I just don't think you can walk that back.
1076
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.519
Yeah. And well, also discussion I think they talk about
1077
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:51.960
more in the showtime docuseriies of like how much of
1078
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.079
it is like Stockholm syldrum or like her being groomed
1079
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.440
for instance, like is she a victim herself? Which is
1080
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:03.920
more more of a modern take, I would say, and
1081
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.880
that excuse it. I think that's the moral quandary here.
1082
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.239
Hurt people, hurt people. I don't remember where that's from.
1083
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.679
It's from a movie of excuses it.
1084
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.840
If she physically picked up a knife just to have someone,
1085
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.320
or physically picked up the gun herself to shoot someone,
1086
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.519
she was still in control in that moment.
1087
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.880
Yeah, well, resounding response. You should be on a jury together.
1088
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.559
Okay, agreed off with their head.
1089
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:42.679
Speaking of executions, segue, stark Weather was executed by electric
1090
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:47.440
chair at the Naraska State Penitentiary on a good one yep,
1091
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:53.320
June twenty fifth, nineteen fifty nine. He was twenty years old.
1092
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:58.800
I also live close to where the state Penitentiary weirdly
1093
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.199
knowled at that time, not too far away from the wardhouse.
1094
01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:06.360
There are various quotes attributed to him near the end
1095
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.400
about not being sorry. He reportedly maintained a fairly detached,
1096
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:16.400
unrepentant demeanor till the end. He technically gave no last words,
1097
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.199
but in a letter to his parents right before he
1098
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:23.440
was executed, he wrote, but Dad, I'm not real sorry
1099
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:26.639
for what I did because the first time me and
1100
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:32.239
Carol have more fun. I didn't particularly educated.
1101
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.159
Yeah, see why he failed school. Yep.
1102
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.760
I ain't sorry about what I've done then, because for
1103
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.119
first time me and Carol we do have some fun.
1104
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:43.880
Yeah.
1105
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.119
Also kind of rhymes.
1106
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:48.079
Maybe he was he could have been a poet.
1107
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:50.880
I saw it. She was so attracted to him.
1108
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.960
Yeah, and he almost looked like James Dean with bow legs.
1109
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:59.519
Yeah. Okay. Now moving on to happened to fugate few
1110
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:03.559
gates of time and was parolled in nineteen seventy six
1111
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:08.760
after only serving eighteen years. Oh shit, and having become
1112
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:14.599
eligible through good behavior and ongoing legal efficacy on her
1113
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:21.239
behalf Avocados. Yes, let's see. Last known about her. She
1114
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:25.159
had moved to Michigan and has stayed pretty quiet. She
1115
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.840
has given a few interviews over the decades. Interest and
1116
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.400
I think that what I saw was the last time
1117
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.880
she had been like mentioned was twenty twenty, so been
1118
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:37.320
quite a.
1119
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:38.559
Few you guys feel about that.
1120
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.559
She lives closer to you guys than she does me. Baby,
1121
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:42.960
that's true.
1122
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.039
Do you think it's fair that she was released? Do
1123
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.880
you think she served enough time to make up for
1124
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:50.639
the things that.
1125
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:55.320
She did or I don't think so. She hasn't murdered
1126
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.519
more so, like you know, that's true.
1127
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:03.360
Maybe there's some I think about if you were one
1128
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:07.039
of the victims' families, how would you feel about it?
1129
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.079
That's the you know, that's the most important thing, is
1130
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:09.800
how they feel.
1131
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:11.880
I'd be making a trip to Michigan.
1132
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:16.599
Yeah, for just vacation, of course, yes, yes, vacation.
1133
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:18.360
Yeah, the dune.
1134
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:23.400
Yeah, no, I I think I would probably disagree with that.
1135
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.000
I don't think she'd have a side quest story about
1136
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:31.519
those dudes. Yeah, so I they had to send a
1137
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:41.280
search party to find me in those dudes. You didn't
1138
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:42.880
have any water or anything with me.
1139
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.480
How do you get lost in dunes?
1140
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:46.320
Well I didn't.
1141
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.280
Technically they thought I was lost, So technically was not lost.
1142
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.840
But it was when my son was really little and
1143
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.199
we went up and Tony and Dom had the backpack
1144
01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:59.400
with all the water and stuff in it, and they
1145
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.119
went one and I was like, I'm just going to
1146
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.079
go on up ahead this way because they wanted to
1147
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:05.760
go to the top of a dune and see if
1148
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:09.719
they could see the lake. And they came back down
1149
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.039
and went a different way, and so I had gone
1150
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.880
one way and I was just waiting for them, getting
1151
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.920
scorched by the sun waiting for them, and I'm like, okay,
1152
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.320
I'm getting a little dehydrated here, Like this is getting
1153
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.119
a little dangerous because I mean, there's no shade anywhere.
1154
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.079
Is that a wake over there? Oh no, that's just a.
1155
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.239
So I don't know how long I had been waiting.
1156
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.280
I'm like, all right, I have to go back. But
1157
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:37.400
I was concerned that they were going to be looking
1158
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.480
for me, so that's why I waited as long as
1159
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:42.559
I did. But then by the time that I got
1160
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.920
on my way back, they had already sent people to
1161
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.159
look for me. But when I got back, at that point,
1162
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.119
I was starting to get delirious, like I was getting woozy,
1163
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.400
and I'm like, okay, this is here.
1164
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.000
So didn't you know this.
1165
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.400
Dude with a frickin didgery doo was at the top
1166
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.840
of the dune just randomly playing a didgeridoo. So my
1167
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:10.880
head's like, wah, yeah, I made it back just fine.
1168
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:11.320
It was.
1169
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:19.199
That was that was God? Actually just a white man
1170
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:24.039
with dreads playing a digity.
1171
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:28.239
That is funny And this is why you need to hitchhike.
1172
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.360
Yeah, what happened to you?
1173
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:34.920
Was it?
1174
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.320
Was it like park rangers who had to come find you?
1175
01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:39.199
Or was it? Yeah?
1176
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:39.480
Yeah?
1177
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.199
And then when I got back, Tony was meeting with
1178
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:44.440
one of the rangers that had already sent the team out,
1179
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.199
so she had to call them back and say that
1180
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:50.400
I'd found my way back because the didgeridoo guy.
1181
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:53.400
He was like a siren calling you to he.
1182
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.880
Was a hired gun. They're like, no, no, we don't send
1183
01:07:55.880 --> 01:08:02.480
search parties anymore. We send out the didgeridoo. Wow, would
1184
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.719
why would we all get lost? You just stand up
1185
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.239
top guide him in. It's like a beacon.
1186
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:11.519
Can't take me anywhere.
1187
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:13.079
That's a great side quest.
1188
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.239
Yes, I think I.
1189
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:18.359
Cut you off, Christian, you were saying something.
1190
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:20.319
No, the only other thing that we were going to
1191
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:24.600
talk about is to Montana's point of the cultural impact
1192
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:30.279
and aftermath of this spree killing. So, as you stated,
1193
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:36.920
Woody Harrelson natural Born Killers. He that that is based
1194
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:41.680
off of stark Weather. Bruce Springsteen's album in eighty two
1195
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:47.880
called Nebraska. There is a track literally about stark Weather
1196
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:55.039
written from stark Weather's perspective, which I find interesting. I
1197
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:58.359
think Christian you said something about this on the podcast
1198
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:04.159
on our podcast, Martin Sheen, Yes, no, real weird. Yeah,
1199
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.319
not Kirk Douglas. He did something weird. Yeah, so purchasing
1200
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:09.079
the headstone.
1201
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.520
Yeah. So so the movie bad Lands, which came out
1202
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:17.159
in seventy three, is essentially like not direct story, but
1203
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:22.000
like very like a fictionized retelling of it. And that
1204
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:25.560
was like Martin Sheen's like big breakout role. And so
1205
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:31.760
he's like, oh, I owe stark Weather some like, you know,
1206
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:34.520
I owe him something because it helped give me this
1207
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.000
big break. And so stark Weather at the time didn't
1208
01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:39.920
have a gravestone, I'm guessing because I wonder if there
1209
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:42.760
were worried people would deface it. Sure, but so he
1210
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:46.359
bought him a gravestone and is now in Wayuka Cemetery,
1211
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:48.920
which is in Lincoln. He's actually buried in the same
1212
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:53.039
cemetery as I think four of his victims are buried
1213
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.079
in the same cemetery that's fucked up, not cool. It's
1214
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:01.359
like the Cemetery of Lincoln. There's some like it's a
1215
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:09.079
they have swans that move though you should have done. Yes, yeah,
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I agree with that. He's had been buried next to him,
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I not next to him, but in the same cemetery.
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But it's a big cemetery.
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But he doesn't deserve a gravestone, I.
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Think, true.
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No, he deserves a big turd.
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With sprinkle on it.
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With sprinkles.
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How did you guys knowe that actually is what the
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gravestone is? Just the poop EMOCHI You're like, how did
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01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:41.640
Martin she know about poop emoji's back in seventy eight,
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and you're like, I don't know, man, I wish.
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But stark Weather's also mentioned in the hit song we
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Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel. I never knew
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what that line meant until now. So that's cool. And
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the other significant cultural impact was it was, as Christian said,
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the first Myrtle.
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Myrtle joined the murder beach Myrtle Beach.
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Myrtle Beach baby surfing the web, moaning metal when she
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01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:25.920
comes up every time. It was the first murder trial
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that was ever broadcast on TV. So pretty pretty significant
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for something that took place in little old Lincoln, Nebraska.
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So don't say we don't have ship. Okay, we have
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some ship.
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M that's the ship you don't want.
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01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:52.479
Well, no bad publicity, right yeah, but yeah that's the
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story I start. Yeah, it's one of those things in Lincoln, Like,
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I don't people it's been so long because what it's
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been and over almost seventy years since it happened, where
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01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:08.439
like there are still like connections to it, but I
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01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.319
think you know, most people who are around during that
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time are.
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Kind of passed away.
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01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:17.680
Yeah yeah, like and so yeah, I had to be
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01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:19.880
like you are, they're very old. I wonder if you
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01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:22.039
went to some of the retirement homes if they would
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01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.479
be like, oh I remember old.
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01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.880
Old Charlie and so.
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01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:32.119
But I don't know, I think people know about it here,
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01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:34.960
but like, yeah, like, yep, it happened. Cool.
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01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:42.279
So and I hope us regaling the story wasn't too boring.
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01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:44.760
I think you did a fantastic job.
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01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.520
I was you have to say that, yes.
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01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.119
No, I'm serious. I was actually thinking maybe you guys
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01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.840
should change up your podcasts because you're really good at that.
1261
01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:56.479
No, no more research, it would it would certainly improve
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01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.199
our views.
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01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:05.159
If we actually had a job. Yes, yeah, so thanks
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01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:05.840
for having us on.
1265
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.479
It was fun. It's always fun with you guys.
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01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:14.000
Yeah, any time, Montana. Do you want to close this out? Sure,
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01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:17.119
Jessica it bartisan.
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01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:21.800
All right, Well, first of all, tell people where they
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01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.399
can find you. Guys.
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01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:26.119
You might find us if you like. That's my sweety
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01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.680
to odd impression. You might find us if you like.
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01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:35.279
We are on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Facebook, remain Roam,
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01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.640
return podcasts. It's a mouthful, it's a lot to type.
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01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.960
I would say try searching just our r that generally
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01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:48.680
brings up an Indian action film, So you do kind
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01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:50.279
of need to type in the whole thing to find this.
1277
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:56.039
Or you could just you know, tune into Weekly Bizarre
1278
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:59.279
podcast and they give you some synopsis of some of
1279
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.319
the stuff we do and that's pretty much good enough.
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01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:03.239
Just go back and listen to the intro.
1281
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:08.039
Yeah, yes, great intro. You have a lot of pressure
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01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:10.439
on you for the outro, now, Montanage, you know.
1283
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.640
Our outros are anything special, not with that attitude.
1284
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.840
Yeah, that's fair. Now's your chance.
1285
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:22.760
But you can find us on all the social media's
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01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.479
at Weekly Bizarre Podcasts. You can email us at Weekly
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01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:29.960
Bizarre podcast at gmail dot com. You can help support
1288
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.159
us on Patreon at patreon dot com slash Weekly Bizarre.
1289
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.880
We have a lot of content on there, me and
1290
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:41.920
just banter away. I think we talked about Jessica's naked Saturdays.
1291
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:50.560
The other day's raded r Yeah, slow more radar over there,
1292
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:54.880
and I think that's it, right, jess you nailed it.
1293
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.640
Oh wait, yeah, I do the stay spooky, stay safe,
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01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:00.479
take get.
1295
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:04.039
Care of yourselves and each other. Oh, you always do
1296
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:08.520
that part, so I'm supposed to do go for it.
1297
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.239
I mean, to be fair, I was gonna let you
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01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:11.600
do it, but I was like, am I gonna do it?
1299
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.479
So I passed and talked at the same do it.
1300
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:15.239
Yeah, you can do it.
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01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:17.279
You were halfway there.
1302
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.920
I know I lost my Sorry. Take care of each other? No, yeah, right,
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01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:26.239
take care of yourselves and each other.
1304
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:31.720
And if it's weird, we're gonna talk talk about it.
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01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:38.039
Bye, don't buy meat from a truck.
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01:15:38.319 --> 01:16:03.319
Bye.
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01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:11.399
Fix it.
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It's