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A lot of women, especially in long-term relationships, when those new relationship energy chemicals are gone, are waiting for their mind to kick on to say, I want this.
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But that doesn't happen typically because arousal comes first.
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So what this means for the woman, like, okay, not really in the mood, gonna do it anyways.
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And, you know, start really feeling into the sensations of the body and like,
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okay, letting go of the stress of the day and 15 to 20 minutes into it.
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So now my body's been aroused 15 to 20 minutes into it.
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Then there's a thought in the brain that says, huh, this actually feels kind of good.
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And then this is where the lady at the end of making love will might say to her partner something like, that was really great.
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Why don't we do that more often?
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This is Vibe Science, a top 100 wellness podcast presented by the Radcast Network, breaking wellness barriers and making health truly personal.
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Here's your host, Ryan Alford.
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Hello and welcome to Vibe Science.
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We're always taking you to your highest vibe.
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It's about mind, body, energy, and yes, sex.
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That's important too.
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Everything's important.
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It's a full loop and we don't know it all.
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Chris and I are just here to be your guides.
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And that's why we have smart people coming on every episode because we're here to be that wellness guide.
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place where you learn what how you get to your best level look we don't all have all figured out we need help we need experts what we need is the libido doctor it is dr diane mueller doctor welcome to the show
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Oh, thanks, Ryan.
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Thanks, Chris.
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And you're so right, right?
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In the space where we're talking about high vibe, science, longevity, I feel like one of the missing things in the conversation lately is libido and sex.
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And in some of the research I've done, as well as what I hope we get your guests and your audience to understand today really is that pleasure is not just about desire, but it's actually something we truly require.
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So happy to be here.
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Hey, I love that.
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I don't feel so guilty, you know?
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It's required, damn it.
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That's right.
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The libido doctor says.
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Doctor's orders.
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Yeah, Chris, it's required.
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Yes.
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Celebrate.
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I got no problem with that.
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Permission for great sex.
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I know.
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Well, we really appreciate you coming on.
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Chris Hansen's down in Miami.
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Chris, I love this topic, brother.
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I'm so glad we got Dr. Bueller on.
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Yeah, I'm pumped.
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It should be a very enlightening and interesting episode.
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I think that everyone can, everyone's probably dealt with this before.
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Yeah, we're trying to break down the walls of these topics that people think about, but don't probably talk about enough.
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And I think this is one of them.
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I mean, I've been married for 10 years, very happily married, but it's not perfect.
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I mean, I'm...
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I'm the most flawed person on the planet, you know?
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So like, there's always stuff that goes down, but you know, as someone that's happily married and in a single, not multi relationship, which we're going to talk about.
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I know doc, I think that's always, even if you're not someone that's considered it and I'm not, it's just not my consideration or belief pattern, but I, but it's in everyone's I think thoughts cause it's just so,
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I don't know.
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Hush, hush, kind of talked about not, you know, the pineapple shirts, everything else.
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That's like, OK, the signals.
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I mean, Nicole and my wife and I go to enough resorts where it's like we kind of get that look like we feel like we're being checked out.
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But it's it's funny.
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I'm sure you you've seen and heard it all.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, I've heard a lot of it, at least.
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It's interesting in what you're saying, like the topic that we all want to talk about, right?
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Because one survey, for example, showed that 72 percent of people wanted to talk to their doctors about sex, but don't.
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Like that's a lot of people with sex on their mind that are like dying to actually talk to somebody.
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But I think in this world we were talking about offline.
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you know, being like shadow ban, meaning it's hard for me to get the information about sex out on social media and these types of platforms.
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So it's like there's still this like hush, hush around it when a lot of what I mean, my work is primarily in helping long term couples have more passion, have longer relationships, stay together, fall in love deeper.
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All these things.
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that I think people are actually dying to talk about, but it's very difficult to have, you know, that platform where we can even do this.
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So it is hush hush, sadly.
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And I think there's a lot we can say about bringing us to the surface and making this more comfortable and just like, you know, sex lives out of balance, if libido is out of balance.
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There's so much like, I think, embarrassment that comes with this topic.
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And I think the more we can just make this like normal and just be like, well, this is out of balance.
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This is just like a sign, just like chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia or any of these other kind of, you know, symptoms.
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This is just a symptom that something in the body, something in the personal life or the relationships out of balance.
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And that all that is is a sign that we just need to put time, effort and energy into bringing it back.
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I think that you just nailed it right there, Doc.
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And I do want you to set up, you know, kind of your background and the types of people that you help.
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I mean, it's going to be pretty obvious as we move along.
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But I think you just nailed it as, I don't know, when you come up as an adult and, you know, in your 20s, you know, you don't.
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I'm not saying you don't have to work on it.
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There's a lot of immaturity and other things that go on.
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But some things that just kind of happen naturally because you don't have the rigors of life, children, multiple jobs, careers, everything that kind of comes with time.
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And balancing that, you have to work on these things.
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It's like going to the gym or anything else.
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It doesn't just happen naturally, perfectly, like the perfect balance of sex and, you know, having equal amounts of any one thing in your relationship that keeps things in line.
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You have to want to work on it and to go to specialists like yourself and talk about these things.
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I don't know.
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I think we take some things for granted or just assume we can't get better in all aspects of what we do.
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But I think that's what you do.
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And with that, I'll let you kind of tee up that very point.
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So I'm going to explain this by giving people an actionable step.
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And this is a step that I use with a lot of couples that come into my work, which is just kind of a point of awareness.
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Because what you're saying around, oh, we have to make time for this, right?
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Just like the gym, anything else is so right on.
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So one of the kind of aha moments that helps my clients is in starting with an exercise where you make a value list of all the things that you value the most in life.
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And really you can do like the top five.
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And hopefully your partner, your intimate partner is like right there at the top, right?
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Right.
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And then the second part of this exercise is to draw a pie chart, make 24 pieces of the pie representing every hour of the day.
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You're going to color some of them in for sleep, hopefully seven to nine hours.
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And then you're going to write in what's going on the rest of the day.
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And it is amazing to me how many people, when they do this exercise, find a huge discrepancy from the top two or three things they value the most.
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And their pie chart.
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So this is a, I do this exercise, you know, just because it's like any other data tracking device we have, right?
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Sometimes when we do our step counts or we track our sleep or any of these other types of metrics we do, it's kind of provides this.
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this insight that is, we can't dispute it, right?
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It's like that, it's in our face to say, wow, this is really what's happening here.
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Now I can't argue it, now I can't have my subconscious or my conscious brain come on and say, hey, it's not really that big of a deal.
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And for many people, it's like this aha where all of a sudden we realize, wow, what we value the most,
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we don't have even space in our day-to-day or week-to-week life.
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So that's really the first thing is just like that point of awareness to say, okay, is there time in our life for our partner from an emotional standpoint, but also from a physical intimacy standpoint?
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And once we realize if there is or if there's not, then just like the gym, we start to say, okay, well, where can we fit this in?
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And so many times when people fall out of this, you know, this like regular sex, this regular intimacy time of life, one of the tricks is actually to start scheduling it, which initially people are like schedule sex.
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This sounds awful.
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I just want it to be spontaneous.
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But here's the next o'clock, baby.
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That's right.
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And here's the thing.
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Like scheduling it does not mean that you don't also have spontaneous sex.
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It's not saying it's always scheduled.
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It's just saying, hey, we are putting this in our calendar because we're in a place where if we don't do this, this is not happening.
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But here's the catch.
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So in the beginning of a relationship, right, when we're just meeting somebody and we're in that dating phase, we're actually always scheduling sex.
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And we don't even realize we're doing it because we don't think of it in that way.
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But we're starting to say, OK, well, you know, it's a second date.
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Are we going to kiss?
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Are we going to do this?
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Are we going to do that?
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And then it's like, are they going to call me?
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Okay, we have our third date, what's gonna happen?
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Maybe we're gonna get a little more sexy time, maybe we're gonna get a lot of sexy time.
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But we start to realize and we start to put into place that hey, most of these dates are going to have some sort of intimacy likely included.
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So in many ways we're actually scheduling intimacy.
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And it's only when we start to combine our lives, when we start to move in together, when we start to share keys to each other's houses, that we start to say, well, I'm just going to see this person so we don't have to schedule the date night because we're just going to see each other automatically.
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So when it's like hot for most people in the beginning, we actually are scheduling it.
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So I like people to think about that as well.
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Just from that standpoint of, you know, kind of that getting over maybe any problems people have with scheduling it.
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And again, like this is not to say we don't have spontaneous intimacy, too.
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By putting in the calendar, it's saying this is a priority just like the gym or anything else.
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I heard that concept, I want to say 10 years ago, maybe for the first time.
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I think there was a guy that was well ahead of the biohacking and or mental space, the quantum.
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He was a little ethereal for me.
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I've come around a little bit.
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Chris can attest to that.
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But he used that concept that it always made sense to me.
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And you kind of talked about that with mapping out all the time.
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I mean, you have to make space for things.
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It doesn't just happen.
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You know, whether that's what we're talking about here, going to the gym, health, exercise, spending time with your kids, like whatever it is, like you have to carve out space and measure what's available.
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I mean, we only have so many hours in the day.
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And so you have to be intentional with making that space.
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And I don't think we talk about that quite enough.
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I don't think we do either.
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I don't think we do either.
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I think once we, like I said, once we move in together, I think there's just elements of thinking, hey, this is going to happen.
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But here's another interesting thing that happens, especially from a standpoint of heterosexual couples,
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Where often in long-term relationship, they experience this level of desire mismatch.
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And it can go either way.
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But most commonly, it's like the masculine desire is greater than the feminine desire.
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And one of the reasons for this is because we are not taught this, but we actually see this in science and research that for men, desire comes before arousal.
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And for women, arousal comes before desire.
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So what do I mean by that?
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Desires of the mind, arousal is of the body.
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So I'll give this to you in an example so you understand this.
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And I'm going to relate this back to why scheduling can be beneficial.
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So how how being turned on typically works for a man desire before arousal is something like this.
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Man sees his lovely wife, his lovely girlfriend walk through the kitchen.
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Her her ass.
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I don't know if I can say that.
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Her butt is.
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It's like jiggling as she walks.
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Her breasts are bouncing.
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It's like, you know, this beautiful sight.
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And man thinks he sees this side and all of a sudden he's like, wow, that's like really yummy looking.
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And then all of a sudden the arousal, the blood flow to the genitals change.
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And so that's arousal.
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First, there's that that desire, that that insight into that looks yummy.
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Then the arousal, the body responds.
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for women, it is opposite.
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And this is the problem with desire mismatch is a lot of women, especially in long-term relationships, when those new relationship energy chemicals are gone, are waiting for their mind to kick on to say, I want this.
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But that doesn't happen typically because arousal comes first.
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So what this means for the woman is, and here's another example of what ladies will tell me.
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I've also seen this in my own personal experience of like, okay, not really in the mood, gonna do it anyways.
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And, you know, start really feeling into the sensations of the body and like, okay, letting go the stress of the day and 15 to 20 minutes into it.
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So now my body's been aroused 15 to 20 minutes into it.
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Then there's a thought in the brain that says, huh, this actually feels kind of good.
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And then this is where the lady at the end of making love will might say to her partner something like, that was really great.
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Why don't we do that more often?
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And that's because for women, we are expecting the desire to come first.
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But that moment where she's aroused and she has that thought of, hmm, this feels good.
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That's when it kicks into the desire.
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That's when it kicks into the brain that says, I want this.
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So how does this relate to the concept of scheduling?
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Well, if we only have so much time, right?
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Sometimes the spontaneous sex, it's like there's only so much time.
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We're sneaking it in between the kids and all these things.
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And there might not be the same level of time to actually have a woman really be able to drop into her arousal system.
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When we have a plan for this, there can be a sense of like, okay, honey, you go upstairs, you draw yourself a bath, you get into your sensual body, you drop the day, start to get yourself aroused.
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I got the dishes, I got the kids, you go just start taking care of yourself.
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I'm going to give you a sensual massage.
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Let's just get you back in your body and let's start there because we've created the space for it.
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And that is allowing that woman to actually start to get into her body and feel the sensations that allows that arousal.
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And then that desire will come second.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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And I wish that makes sense.
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I don't know.
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That kind of light bulb went off for me there.
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I don't think I've ever heard it that way.
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I mean, I'm not married and have no kids, but I,
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You know, I mean, I know that's just from what I'm aware of now is women, at the very least need to feel safe in their bodies and jumping their bones isn't always the best way to make that happen, especially like you said, if you're carrying the stressors of the day and you're thinking about this and that, nowadays we're all so over simulated right with social media and news or whatever that, but I can see like,
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hey, you go do this and self-regulate a little bit, get into your zone and be more open to receive, right?
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Am I hearing this kind of correctly?
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Because the other thing is looking at men are from Mars, women are from Venus, the female brain versus the masculine brain.
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And one of the greatest insights I got from this came from the woman Alison Armstrong, who has a great book called The Queen's Code.
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But she talks about, hey, when testosterone impacts the masculine brain, one of the things it does is it allows the masculine brain to focus, right?
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So this is, you know, the classic stereotypical man watching a sports game, woman like, hey, honey, and he's like, so focused on the game.
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And that's the masculine, that's the masculine superpower being able to focus.
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Well, estrogen, the way the blood flows to different regions of the brain and the estrogen brain.
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allows for much more of a diffuse level of awareness.
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So this is why a woman walks into the room, and in two seconds, she can see the pillows out of place, the water's boiling on the stove, she has a phone call she's answering, she hears the kid crying, and she's attuning to all of these things simultaneously.
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That's the superpower of the female brain.
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So when it comes to sex and intimacy, because of the masculine power of compartmentalization, of super focus, of all of that, men tend to have a much easier time being like, wow, this is amazing, I am focused on just this thing now.
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And women, because of that diffused level of awareness, like when there's, you know, this is always like a sad thing sometimes for men to hear.
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But sometimes in those like intimate moments where it's like kissing starts and like there's all that hotness and he's becoming super focused on her, she still might be doing her grocery list in her head.
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I want to get to a topic that we talked about before the episode that I know you're well-versed on the, the mini versus one partner, uh, both married, non-married.
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Uh, I want to come to that.
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That's a juicy part, but the mismatch of, I would think this is pretty common.
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You know, we've, we've kind of gone down the path of the differences of men, men and women, the arousal versus emotion versus all those things.
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Now, you,
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Let's just say there's a mismatch.
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And that's probably one of the most common things you deal with.
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So no matter what the differences are, how does a couple get through the mismatch?
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If it's truly just a mismatch, you know, just one person's wired one way, one's wired a different.
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And maybe there's circumstances that make it that way, but you have the mismatch.
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How does one survive that?
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Yeah, I have a course that is a six-week course on this topic.
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So point being, we can only get to so much in our time phase, sadly.
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But I do always want to make sure I give immediate value and immediate action steps for people.
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So one of the first things is that awareness, right?
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One of the second things is actually to talk about what's besides sex is interesting to people.
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Because sometimes we find situations where –
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For one partner, oftentimes it's the woman that is like, wow, I just can't bring myself to have penetrative sex at the, you know, every day or, you know, four times a week frequency that maybe a partner might want.
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But when we talk about other ways to be intimate, sometimes we find that, oh, wow, I would actually be available for massage with happy endings or I would actually be available for like co-self-pleasure activities.
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So there's ways sometimes when we broaden what sex actually is that sometimes we can find that we can be closer to coming together in those intimate sexual expressions than we want or than we think we could by just broadening the definition of sex.
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So that's a huge thing.
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We also have to look at the reasons for low libido from a physical standpoint, because sometimes there is this arousal desire issue like we talked about earlier.
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Sometimes there's physical reasons, right?
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It's like there's pelvic pain, there's circulation issues, there's stress, there's hormonal issues.
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So I have another freebie for your audience.
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If people go to libidoquiz.com, so we did libidocode.com, now we're doing libidoquiz.com.
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You can take a free quiz that will tell you, based upon your quiz answers, the top physical root causes that are probably leading to your low libido and will give you lab tests to ask your doctors about because I find that most conventional docs –
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are not running the thorough tests, right?
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So it'll give you that list of like, here's your list, take this list to your doctor, be an advocate for yourself and make sure you get all of these things tested to figure out if this is truly part of that desire issue.
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Because sometimes it is, it's just a physical imbalance that is like lowering that libido as well.
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So how do you tackle that?
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Last point, because I know we'll get people to go through your tests and those things like that, because it could be a lot of different variables.
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But I think that's a good one.
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Let's say it's a chemical, a physical time in life.
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Whatever it is, it's causing it.
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It's no one's fault.
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It's natural.
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It's natural.
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but it's still an imbalance of libido.
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And one person's dealing with one thing, one's dealing with another.
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How do you come to the middle when it's no one's fault, but it's a physical thing, and it maybe can't be repaired within a month or six months?
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How do you fix that?
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I mean, if it's truly a physical reason, right, then I do believe that we can find the root cause, right?
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I mean, sometimes it is much more dramatic things, mold illness, stealth hidden infections, right?
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There's a lot of hidden longer term things beyond some of the basics.
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But I do believe that we can figure it out because that's what I've seen.
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in my 15 years of practice.
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That being said, you raise a good point, right?
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So if there is a longer term time to solve this because of whatever comes up from a root cause perspective is something that's not going to be a quick fix, right?
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What do we do then?
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That is exactly why we brought in our definition of sex because like I said, like oftentimes it can be like, okay, well,
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You know, the one person might want penetrative sex the other day and, you know, every day.
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But the other person's like, well, I can be available for that weekly.
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But here's the other ways that I can actually be available to physically connect with you.
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And that's and I've seen like a lot of couples do really well with things like.
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you know, co-masturbation or doing massages with happy endings to kind of fill in some of those gaps.
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So the idea here is to be as creative as possible about what intimacy can look like, right?
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And the more that we're as creative as possible, the more we can start to have conversations around what would feel like a win for both of us and how this could be.
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And it's a lot of conversation.
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It really is.
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And it might not mean that, okay, well, if one partner wants penetrative sex the other every day, it might not mean that that's like what happens in the end.
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But we might find a place where it's like that person that wants that actually is realizing like, hey, like, okay, that would be my total target ideal.
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However, now we're doing that some and now we're doing all these other things that are actually bringing a lot of novelty and fun.
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So while that might be ideal, this is like right up there with like, you know, being like,
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almost as exciting as that because now we're being creative to find other ways of being sexually intimate that is, you know, it's something is our places that we can both actually, you know, receive benefit from.
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Like, you know, there's a this amazing there's a couple of these on the market, these amazing vibrators that heat up.
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And I can't tell you what these vibrators that heat up do to alleviate anything from menstrual cramps for women when they're used to pelvic pain and menopause.
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And so it's like, oh, we use that.
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And it's like, you know, you're helping your woman.
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Yeah.
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have her pain go away while you're playing and while you're bringing it to me.
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Now she's interested because it's like, wow, like you're bringing me pleasure, but my pain's also going away.
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Now I'm interested in showing up and playing in this way.
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So it really is a lot of more of those creative kind of conversations.
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Good insights.
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I think that's, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, any final thoughts here, Chris, as we let, uh, doctor get on her way, we're going to have all the links to all her stuff and all her quizzes and tests and libido challenges.
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I just, I'm appreciative.
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You can make the time to come on doc.
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And I think it's like, we all said, it's something that should be discussed more.
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It's such a big part of our lives that we so hush hush.
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So I really appreciate the conversation today and, um,
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Go take the quizzes, everyone.
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I'm definitely going to do it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me, everybody.
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Appreciate it.
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I have a new book coming out soon, too.
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It's up for preorder.
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So you'll find that on my information as well.
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Beautiful.
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Perfect.
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Want to want it.
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Want to want it?
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Want to want it.
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Yeah.
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And you can find it at wanttowantit.com.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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Thank you, Dr. Mueller.
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Hey, guys, you know where to find us, vibescience.com.
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You'll find all the back episodes.
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You can listen and watch the show.
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Don't forget to check us out on YouTube.
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You can see the lovely Dr. Mueller in person.
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And we'll have all the links to her information, her quizzes, her new books.
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Want to want it.
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You do have to want to want it.
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And what we want is for you to go to your highest five.
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We appreciate everyone for listening and watching.
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