Cody: All right guys, tonight's rabbit hole is gonna be a little different. our one of our hosts, that's normally a host, is actually one our guest tonight. he's been working so much that we we actually had to call his people to get scheduled in because he's been campaigning.
Corey Zimmerman: Wait a minute. My people, I'm the people.
Cody: I was trying to make it sound bigger than it really was, but
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Thank you, Cody. I re I appreciate that.
Cody: Well, I I text someone. I'm sure it was you. So
Corey Zimmerman: it was.
Cody: but anyway, so we're gonna we're gonna do something a little different. Corey's been so busy meeting a lot of interesting people. So we're not gonna ask him all the different people 'cause he's meeting hundreds of people a week in his in his campaigning, but it's such a new experience to be this close to someone campaigning that I wanted to share his insight on what's been going on. So Corey, What what's your first what's your first takeaway? What what what's how would you explain what you've been experiencing?
Corey Zimmerman: It looked like Colin's is gonna say something real quick.
Collin Klein: Well, I I was gonna say that remember that because I remember when I campaigned, I was like I was one way before I started and then I was a totally different person at the end of the campaign. Like it was like it was totally different. So I just wanted to throw that out there.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, so when I first started I didn't have anyone that really was mentor me. I had a couple of people that especially Ramona Goldsby, she's running for Secretary of State, guide me through the process of how do I start this and get onto the SOS site and all that kind of stuff. And then had a lady that was putting together my material and I had to do the door knocking and find all my Places to go and all that kind of stuff. And man, it was tough. Linking up with Ramona Goldsby again and Miguel Padley and just learning from them and also they got me into a lot of places. Festivals, events, gallas. and I also got into top it up at the barbershop and so I was like everywhere. Which was pretty Amazing for me 'cause a lot of these things I have never been to. And how has it changed me?
Cody: What was the name of the barbershop? you Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: eyes all eyes on me, I think it was, off of Sixth Street.
Cody: Yeah, and Corey's gonna be there for a meet and greet, isn't it? Coming up.
Corey Zimmerman: No, that one I'm gonna be speaking at the barbers chop it up the barbershop September, I think it's the twenty eighth, which is a Monday. I think it's the last Monday of September. So I you know how I started you know, just a mess. trying to figure this all out. I'd never done this before. People have a lot of people have advice. It's kinda hard to figure out and weed through what is good and what is not. Yet the kind of a person I am, I'm a team oriented person. And so working as a team really made sense to me. So connecting with several other candidates, Steve DeFoya, Chris Crane, Ramona Goldsby, Janelle Garcia, and just kind of working the whole thing together and sharing what what worked and what didn't work. what connections you know we were getting and how did those connections open up so and now i'm more confident in connecting to the point where i went to a turning point usa chapter at unm campus they it's a small group and i guess there's like For the Republicans there's like forty percent of the population are four Republicans, forty three or forty seven percent, which surprised me. I thought it
Cody: Where?
Corey Zimmerman: was a whole lot lower at University of New Mexico. Yeah, yeah. yeah.
Collin Klein: Mm.
Cody: Really? I I would have thought it would have been a s way more lopsided.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, me too. Yeah, it it was Senator Jay Block that was speaking and I wanted to go and check him out and see how he conducted himself and learn a little bit more about him and how he thinks and processes. So I got there and met these TPU USA people and they were genuine and nice and I never I don't think I've ever met a T P USA person that I can recall. And it was just really interesting that connecting with them and finding out what major they were and and when they sat down, the medical people were on the left side, the math and science people are on the right side, so I was like, huh, interesting. They kind of separate themselves out. Yeah, it's like school. Yet when it came time for this thing to to kick off, the moderator was like, Hey We have the Senator here. We have Didi who's running for US Senate, I believe, and we also have a state rep that's running. And so we're gonna have all three of you guys come up there and speak. I was like the answer is yes. And in the back of my head I was terrified because like I've never done this stuff before. I was praying to God to give me the the wisdom and to speak through me as we were going through this conversation and sharing what we know and and how we answered the questions. I got to learn a lot from Didi and Senator DeBlock. And the answer the way I answered things, people really connected with. And so I was watching their interactions There are some that I just didn't know enough information about Juniper or Jupiter. It's a data center that's being put in. And there's some questions I still have and so I was honest about it. You know, it's like you know, why lie about what I do know and what I don't know? And so it was and then I heard what Senator Block had to say and it was fun. I had a lot of fun. And Miguel Padley was there and he
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: was watching. He goes, Two months ago you wouldn't have been able to do this. He's like you've grown a lot in two months. Your speaking skills and being more knowledgeable about about what's going on. So that was really fun and interesting. hit I've hit a lot of events, yet it's the galas. Have you guys ever been to a gala?
Cody: yes. I've been
Collin Klein: Unfortunately, yes.
Cody: Yes. Yeah. I wish I could say no, but yes.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Some are more fun than others. some are a blast. And there's a lot of people, which is I I thought I was an outgoing person and I found out that it energized me so much that when I got home I had to go out for like a thirty to forty five minute walk just to get all that energy out and just meeting people, talking to them and sharing my ideas. And also I've gone to a lot of young entrepreneur, business owners, leadership here in Albuquerque. I had no idea these things existed. Yet I got into those and yeah, made context, talked to people. One person, here, check this out. This freaked me out. one lady was like, Hey, I really like your energy and all that kind of stuff. I wanna vote for you, but I live on the other side of town. I want to get a peel box in your area so I can vote for you. I was like, no. Love the confidence.
Cody: no no.
Corey Zimmerman: No we're I'm I'm not gonna wear orange. Not going to wear orange. So it's that's prison orange with like numbers behind your
Cody: I was like
Corey Zimmerman: back. That's prison jumpsuit. Yeah. Some people get it.
Cody: Well collins weren't I was gonna say collins weren't orange right now. I I mean
Corey Zimmerman: that's a different prison.
Collin Klein: This is salmon, excuse me.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: Yeah, it's nice for men to start wearing that now. Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. I've also met a lot of union people, reps and companies and I've sat down and had lunch with them or coffee with them and just sharing my ideas, right? Of you know, trade school, bringing back shop class into the schools in the district so that when the kids graduate they already have a job. They already know how to work in the workforce, they already got healthcare, they got paycheck, they also have all the other fringe benefits. And if they want to go to a college, then they can go to a college and be able to pay for their housing, food and all that kind of stuff that's not paid by the lottery scholarship and be able to, you know, thrive. And they're like, What? You know, aren't you supposed to be Republican? I was like, Yeah, doesn't this make sense? He goes, Yeah, yeah it does. And each person I've talked to about that, they're like, Yeah. can we sit down? Can I introduce you to this person or that person? And people want to help the community. That's yeah.
Cody: I think the thing that's really good what about
Corey Zimmerman: That's the way we're supposed to be.
Cody: the the thing I like about what you're saying is there's a lot of stereotypes that have been promoted by the opposition party and they're just not true that we don't care about education, we don't care about health care, we don't care about all these things. We do. And you brought up stuff that I have looked into about how basically what is it Presbyterians leaving town. They're not gonna they're not gonna take Medicare anymore and you're gonna try to turn the tide on that. So that's a Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Medicare and Medicaid. Yeah. And what's gonna happen is they're gonna get a letter on October first and they're gonna have to find a new marketplace provider. United, Blue Cross Food Shield, and I think there's one or two other. And that's gonna hurt a lot of our seniors and those people are on the D D waiver. Yeah, and that hurts my heart 'cause that's my clientele. And I I don't I don't like that. And there's there's things that
Cody: Well, yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: happen and whatnot, but still. Yeah, go ahead.
Cody: Yeah. Well, you know, you're breaking down another stereotype that you help the sick and dying. And you see you're in the trenches, you see what these effects that these people are are putting forth. You you see how it's affecting them and you know and you've brought a lot of attention to my knowledge and I and I track this stuff as a hobby. It's
Collin Klein: And you're mature enough to understand root causes versus reactionary, you know, where
Cody: Exactly.
Collin Klein: people just go after superficial stuff versus why is this a systemic problem? Or is it a systemic problem and how do we find out if it's a systemic problem? Or is this a singular anecdotal story? This is the problem that we have with dem I was just talking and I I'm not hijacking this. I'm do you remember
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, so
Collin Klein: Cody's question. I was talking to a Democrat woman the other day. It was very meanable conversation. I don't get angry with them anymore 'cause I understand what happened. They don't have it in their framework to pri and Republicans don't really either, but to prioritize things and how to prioritize things. That's just absent from the world view. In terms of like, okay, something's bad. It's bad thing, good thing, versus what's the stack that created said thing? And
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Collin Klein: how does it all
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: work systemically? That's that was my biggest problem was how to explain it because you start talking more than twenty seconds like I have and people's eyes gloss over. So go ahead.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: Well,
Corey Zimmerman: And the way
Cody: you know.
Corey Zimmerman: I the way I approach it is, you know, when I meet people and especially in my district and they talk about what I'm about and you know, healthcare and that kind of stuff. And did you know Presbyterian no longer is gonna be carrying Medicare and Medicaid starting at the end of the year they're gonna it's it's no longer gonna be there and they're like, What? What's going on? And you know, so it it wakes up their their their brain and And it causes them to think about themselves, well wait, wait, this
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: affects me, right? This affects me in a negative way, yet I'm not going to bring a problem without a solution. So my solution was taking the tort reform and mirror it like Texas so that the doctors and all the professionals they are now safe, feel safer, right?
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: And have a reimbursement rate increase twenty percent at least. So Presbyterian can come back on board. Also, the other hospitals they will be able to function and and function better. And those things are tangible things that it can happen, right? Put it in a bill, it's gonna work. yet the other problem that I was contemplating and talking to some other people is. Okay, it's it you know, they're not taking it at the end in October they have to change over. Well who's gonna do it? Are they gonna pull in a bunch of corporate stuff outside of the state? They come in, swoop in, you know, do their thing and make tons and tons and tons of money and then take it back to wherever they came from. It's like I don't like that idea. Talking to a couple of people and they said we know people that actually do do that stuff. help people with the marketplace to find a united healthcare or something else that will get them what they need. Plus that those people are from here, are here and they will spend their money here. So it's not being taken out of New Mexico, which is a big problem. So many corporations coming in and taking and leaving all the the the benefits, you know, the money. So I I was like Let's work the problem, let's find a a space, put the advertisement out, and let's get these people what they need and have it all pre done. So before they get the letter October first, they already know where they're gonna go and how they're gonna get their their needs met. So I'm pre
Cody: Okay.
Corey Zimmerman: thinking down the road and I haven't heard too many people that are are that way.
Cody: I haven't heard that either. the fact that you're thinking ahead and trying to come up with a solution for something that what you didn't create is is very admirable. the thing
Corey Zimmerman: Well it's
Cody: I
Corey Zimmerman: it's part of it's re you it's just responsi taking on responsibility, right? If you know a problem's gonna happen, we'll come up with some solutions and then work the work the solutions to see what will work and what won't and if it doesn't, you know, reconfigure.
Collin Klein: It worst case you mitigate the problem. I mean that's the thing is like you gotta tackle a problem and the idea isn't that you're gonna make everything perfect, but that we mitigate damage. It's irresponsible to pretend a problem isn't a problem, you know?
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. and I've been on the receiving side of that stuff where people are like, Well good luck, buddy. Wait, wait, wait, where are we going with this? how we're gonna make the get the solution, that kind of stuff. Like, that's not my problem. Not my monkey, not my circus. And I'm like, I don't like that. i you know, if I know there's a problem, let's go ahead and figure out a solution because It's not a monkey, it's peep.
Cody: Yeah. Well
Corey Zimmerman: It's ours.
Collin Klein: Yeah. And it's mostly people not doing their job or things are being stolen or things aren't being run efficiently. I mean, that's ninety percent of the problem as far as I can tell.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. W whatever it whatever
Cody: Well they
Corey Zimmerman: it is. Yeah.
Cody: Well, I what what
Corey Zimmerman: Go ahead, Cody.
Cody: what they did is is they they they fixed a problem that wasn't really a problem but they they pi they they peddled to us an interest group or to the the people and now I I've I've known two or three people through my daughter I they were going to my daughter's school, there were doctors, they've left and gone back to New York because they can't afford the the Insurance, the medical malpractice insurance here is outrageous. And they're leaving and it's like what scares me is they're I've been told that we might have to well the benefit to being in Las Cruces is but the downside is what I'm getting at is we might have to go to l El Paso to get help for my daughter's autism because the people here they're saying we can't we're we're probably not gonna if if it continues going on, we're not gonna be able to afford to stay in New Mexico. So I might have to go to Texas. Which it's it's only forty mile forty minutes away, but go to Texas to get medical care and I live in New Mexico.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, a lot of people are doing that. They're going to Arizona, Colorado, Texas for the medical care, except for the middle and low class. You know, the but the poor
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: people can't do that. You know, but the upper and the the wealthy, yeah, they can do that. Yeah, it's no problem. And how does it serve
Cody: Well it's the same thing that happened
Corey Zimmerman: everybody?
Cody: Well, the thing I don't understand and that you keep bringing to light is they did this in Canada where they did all this stuff, they wanted to socialize medicine, and the rich come down here because they don't want to wait to get surgeries like they do in Canada. And and it didn't it didn't hurt the people that are in office because they have money then they can travel. It hurts the people that don't have money and they can't afford to travel and they have to go through all the bureaucratic crap bureaucratic garbage that they're all doing. And there's just like the elites or what they call the bourgeoisie are out there making these things and they don't understand the impact. And being that you are in the tr you know proverbial trenches and you're working with the people, you're you're, you know, yeah, you're praying with them, you're doing case management, you're being a patient advocate, and you see how these are affecting the people directly. So you're in the trenches. You're seeing how this mass tort lawsuits and stuff is just making everyone unscrew it. If I'm gonna get sued I must might can't live here no more.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, well it's not just them. It's me and my my my wife and my kids, right? It's my neighbors. It it's just not the people I'm serving, it's all of us. It's a new Mexican thing. It's not just one party or the other or whatever it is. It's a New Mexican
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: thing. And so coming together and and talking in in the in that way of it's a New Mexico thing, New Mexican thing. It's not a party thing. We all need to get on this and to to work together. If we don't, we're gonna all gonna fail. And failure's
Cody: Well it
Corey Zimmerman: not an option.
Cody: well failure is what's happening because we're forty-ninth we're we're at forty-ninth or fiftieth. It swings back and forth between on medical care. We're forty-ninth fiftieth on educ the education program here. We're always dead last in everything. We're forty-ninth or fiftieth on a growth in the economy. I mean these programs that these people are putting forth are strangling the community to death and they're not letting it grow. And, you know, your plans that you're putting forth is helping gonna help break the gridlock and hopefully attract some of these people these companies back into our our into our state.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's the integrity, doing what is right. And you know, people have called me a politician. Yeah, Cody your dad's called me a politician several times. Like I don't like you, I don't like you doing that. Yeah. Mine is serving leader. it's ser serving the common good for for all of us and not be all about me, yeah, because when I die, here it is. I don't want a statue. I don't want a flag. I just want other people that are carry on my core values of integrity, respect, responsibility, teamwork, serving leadership, and it just continues for generations and generations and this kind this this state, New Mexico is just thriving and all that kind of stuff because we are thrink thinking about the common good of all of us. Not just one party, not just this or that, but all of us together. Yeah, that's all I want.
Cody: that's that's what I like about that's what I like about your approach. It's a it's an all of us. It's not us and them. You're looking at the the group. We all we we all we all succeed or we all die. It's or not that we're all gonna die, but you know I mean it's a community
Corey Zimmerman: Well a lot of us may may die. I don't know. Yeah. If we don't have places where people can go for tr cancer treatments or specialists that can help with lead disorders or stuff like that, more people will will die. Yeah, it's it's a fact. Not and is everyone to be wiped out? Probably not. Yet can we prevent it? Can we
Cody: No, I mean, not to be a naysayer, but yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: pre Yeah, can we prevent it? Can we mitigate it? And can we do it with integrity? I say yes. I'm a optimist in yeah, I'm an optimist. Yeah, I I think people really wanna do what's right. And when it comes push comes to shove, when it we all are in the same boat together, most of us are gonna come around and say, We're gonna do this. We're gonna do it this way and We're gonna make it make it work. Go ahead, Colin.
Collin Klein: Sorry. yeah, can I add because that's something that I struggled with for years was the optimist versus pessimist, and I hated that dichotomy that you have to be like one or I'm this or I'm that and you're the eternal optimist or the eternal pessimist. It's like it doesn't seem right to me. Feels like maybe somewhere in the middle, but there is no middle. The middle is you. based on your perception between the two extremes. But I I do understand the optimism more because and Christians have been holding the faith and other faiths have too, I believe, and other other things that's a personal belief of mine, but no one has to chase after that one. That's just my personal belief. That a lot of individual humans have chosen faith over and love over falling into cynicism. And I feel like that that's this is gonna sound corny, but it is the l it is the determination of the spirillic life shoot of a sprout coming up through a sidewalk or through a a stone or it's life. Life just is going to keep going. And I
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: believe personally that consciousness or whatever it is to be human, whatever that means, is a part of that life cycle. And it's going to keep going. And people call that faith in God or faith in the univer whatever. If fa you call it faith, you know, is the key word there. And in faith in what a and the power above us in God and in the order that has been brought before us that yeah, it's a challenge, but it's something for us to grow into. We're growing into something new and beautiful. You know, this is we go through hardships to do that. History proves that to us. That's not some Pollyanish notion. That's true. That's objectively true. We can prove that. So that's what we're going through right now is we're we're we the conscious individuals that still have maintained enough will are saying no. We're not doing this. We're not gonna abuse our n we're not gonna fall for just lies and quips and shallow intellectualism. No, we're gonna use our eyes, our awareness, and make this make sense for us. And that's that's really what common sense is. That's really what it is in a nutshell. It's not common sense like in a knowledge base. It's like if you feel something's wrong, you see something's wrong. And you know something's wrong, something's wrong. That's common sense.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. But if it's right me see if it's right, yeah, I know it's right. Yeah.
Collin Klein: You feel yeah. It's all three full the threefold experience of
Corey Zimmerman: Mm-hmm.
Collin Klein: the human being are engaged in that. And that's what the computer algorithmic algorithmic hive mind people will never understand. They can't. They're not in that world of thinking, feeling, willing. They're in the world of binary.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, unless it if yeah, unless it affects them and it pops out, right? And then they're like,
Collin Klein: No well
Corey Zimmerman: wait, wait, wait, I'm affected by this. Yeah, 'cause a lot of times
Collin Klein: Right.
Corey Zimmerman: it's what pops people out.
Collin Klein: That it can, but then also they may fall into a false binary where it's good thing, bad thing.
Corey Zimmerman: yeah.
Collin Klein: Instead of where, like, how do we use those two opposing forces to force ourselves out of the current sit like pressure is there to create something anew. It's
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: not that one side is a hundred percent correct and the other, and that's like where the whole relativistic mind it's like, well, no one's right. It's like, no, there's a deeper truth. But if conservatives think that they have the high moral ground on every issue. I'm sorry. No, they don't no they do not. They don't talk about a lot of crimes that have been committed in this country. They talk about it more. Democrats are at this point they're at the point where you almost you can't help but feel a little bad for Like you wanna hate them, but you can't. It's like I understand what happened to you and it's almost impossible to talk you out of to get you to break out of your conditioning. It's almost impossible. Like there's exceptions, but man, I just ran into this woman and it was like and I had I was totally patient. She wanted like to talk to me later and like it ended well. Like it wasn't a problem. Like I d it wasn't antagonistic. But to even maneuver to a point where she and me had a point of context to understand something, I had to keep like it was like judo all the time. It was crazy. Like the mindset of 'cause it was from one A, B, two, three, four, five, six, seven, like all not even in that order. They just free association emotionalism is what I was getting.
Corey Zimmerman: Okay.
Cody: Okay, that's okay, yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah, and there's those people on both sides. But yet the the great thing is I think a lot more people are coming to the middle and and saying, Okay, yeah, this isn't working. There's a lot of independence. A lot of people are dropping from the Republican and the D Democrat Party and becoming independent because or I I forgot what the other term is. Yeah, you know, they're they're looking at you and both parties have issues. How do we fix the issues? How do we fix New Mexico? And it's been fun to talk to those people too, because they're they're on board. They're like, Yeah, let's do this. And there's a a lot of Republicans that are on board, let's do this. There's a lot of Democrats on board that that are like, Yeah, let's do this. it's just the far right and the far left they just want to hold their power and their ground and I think there there's less and less of those people that I've been running into. More people are coming to the middle to say we we can meet. We can meet in the middle. because this
Cody: Yeah what?
Corey Zimmerman: this is affecting all of us. Not on everything, not
Cody: Yeah, hyperpar par part.
Corey Zimmerman: on everything but on several issues.
Cody: I think the day like you're saying, the days of hyperpartism is needs to come to an end. We need to start stop looking at the differences between us and start looking at what can bring us together. Cause if we don't if we don't come together, we're gonna this this experiment can come to an end. And that's not what we wanna do. And that's not what I'm hearing.
Collin Klein: I if anything I've talked about with you guys and you've been I've been trying to get you guys to track like the complexities of like the higher level games and it's you can see why my brain's warp because it's so complex. How are we
Corey Zimmerman: yeah.
Collin Klein: going to get nine like the majority of the population to understand the reality of their situation, understand the financial markets, understand history, understand geopolitics, understand even remotely understand it to the the point they can it's not gonna happen. So the way it's just never going to happen and it shouldn't happen. It so I agree with your approach. I think i this is the soft, gentle finding areas of agreement and being spiritually above it all to the point where it doesn't bother you when you're getting spit at or ang people are angry. You don't emotionally react. And man, I'm learning that too. I'm learning that right now, literally on my phone. So I'm like I'm
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: I'm so
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. And and finding
Cody: Well, I just think that you're
Corey Zimmerman: that a finding the calm ground is the best way to to approach things versus, you know, I got my point over here, you got your point over over there. But actually listening to each other and that's one of my strengths as a chaplain, I I listen to people. I was in a room full of lobbyists and I was talking to them and just having a a conversation, just going back and forth and several of them said W wait a minute, you're having a real conversation with me? I was like, Yeah, that's what I do. She goes, Why is everyone kinda jumping one from person to another to another? And I was like, I this is this is who I am. You know, y how can I know who you are and how do I how do you know who I am and how we can work together and and move things down the road if we don't have like a meaningful conversation? Like I get it. I get it. Yeah, it's it's it's something that I've done with Cody. We've had a lot of meaningful conversations. You know. We haven't agreed on some things, other things we do agree on. Same thing with you calling and it's life. We're not supposed to agree on everything. We're not supposed to know everything and geopolitics and all that kind of stuff. Even those people, they're They're still trying to figure things out. They're still trying to catch up. yeah, and they're
Collin Klein: for sure. Yeah. No.
Corey Zimmerman: trying to make money off of it and they're still struggling.
Collin Klein: Yes. Absolutely. The grift is real. Yep.
Corey Zimmerman: Yes. It it's so complicated, yet if we break it down to the simple basics and people understand that the the emotional and also the logical connecting both of them together, more people are able to go down that road together faster than going off into all these other things. and I think that's what politics should be. keep it in more simple that not too simple but simple enough that people are connecting to it emotionally and also logically and they are able to have buy in have a direction that they can help take this instead of being
Collin Klein: The
Corey Zimmerman: lost.
Collin Klein: the tricky part is you as an individual to authentically communicate that have to have a pretty decent understanding of what the problem actually is and what the root causes are, or else metaphysically we're lying because that's what most politicians are. They're liars. They don't know actually what's going on. They don't have a framework of anything. All they have are a set of incentive structures that they follow like code on a computer.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: They're not thinking,
Cody: Well
Collin Klein: they're not feeling, they're not willing. It's just a it's it's a connectivity node is what they eventually become because it's exhausting to figure all this out, to be wise enough to know where to move and when not to. It's very hard.
Corey Zimmerman: It also is you have to be wise enough to seek counsel from people and ask them questions
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: and what what are your your expertise in? What are you great at and how can I learn from you? And later down the road when I get elected and I'm down at the roundhouse, would you be able to I send you the bill or something and would you like give me your feedback on it? And you know, is it something that will actually help new Mexicans and grow or see things need to be tweaked? you know, what what need what needs to be be done so that we can learn and grow and and by having that mindset, not trying to be the smartest person in the room, because if I'm the smartest person in the room, why do have everyone else there? Yet if I'm a learner and listening and and utilizing people's expertise, I can grow myself and be able to know what some of these things are. And then also I I have them help me. 'Cause that's what our community is supposed to do.
Collin Klein: You're the smartest person in the room once you humble yourself. Just automatically.
Cody: The humble person is the smartest person. Yeah. I totally agree with that.
Collin Klein: Every time. Like why wouldn't you utilize everyone else's energy and expertise around you? That'd be silly not to do that.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and that's what I've done as a hospice chaplain, in clinicals, as a pastor. I pulled people in, I was like, You're the expert in this. Talk to us, lead us down the the right path, right? And I've never gone wrong except for once. Yeah, that person was an expert. That person was lying. But lessons learned. Yeah.
Cody: But well but
Collin Klein: Yeah.
Cody: the cool thing is is in the the short period of time you've been doing this, you've been able to your your spider senses, I guess you would say, your feeling towards what is somebody who's, you know, just out there t selling you a story versus someone who's actually l legitimate. And that's impressive. Your learning curve's been amazing.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and it's also my prayer structure.
Cody: I've been really impressed by that. And I mean I've known you for a Yeah. I've known you for eleven years and
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, I it's in my prayer structure. Yeah.
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: And in my prayer structure it's yeah, I'm asking God to open up the doors that He wants me to go through and keep the doors that shut that Satan wants me to go through and have discernment and have wisdom, knowledge and understanding and to to know when God is actually bringing someone into my life to help me or the opposite. And it it that's pretty hard 'cause people have motives. We all have seems like we all have some kind of motive. Yeah. It's a huge learning curve, very huge.
Cody: Yeah. And and it's you've seem to be even though you're seem to be very exhausted by what's going on, I've never seen you work harder. Yeah, and I've known you for eleven years. so it's been amazing to watch you grow and take the information in and y you're filtering it very well.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah, people were good. Yeah, and then I reach out and I say, Hey, I don't understand this. And that people
Cody: Well, you know
Corey Zimmerman: are willing to to dumb it down sometimes to my level. Like, Yeah, let's let's take out that you know master's dark degree in physics and let's like make it a little bit more simple.
Cody: Well, the the thing that's also been interesting is watching the people when you went up to the Whittington Center, the way you interact with them, like you had Ramona and and you went up there and it's like listening to the people my the people I've befriended up there say I've never been around two politicians, much less one politician, that actually listens and has a conversation. They're not just trying to get their talking points out there and get to the next person. They're actually listening to what someone's saying. And I think to me, that's the best compliment you can get. They're listening and they're taking it in and they really understand what we're tr trying to do here.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: And so I I've been really impressed by, you know, other people's impression. it was cool because a lot of the people up there didn't know our relationship. and they were out you can watch them talking and pulling the information off and then you could watch them like interact with you and then you could hear the feedback and it's been impressive the feedback that I've been getting. it kind of feels weird, you know, saying Data boy, go for it. Rock and roll, you're doing good. you're you're impressing a lot of people. But you are. It's been impressive.
Corey Zimmerman: And I think what
Cody: They would have
Corey Zimmerman: causes the im people to be impressed is I'm genuine and I'm I'm not trying to lie to people. Lying does not work at all because once you start a lie, you have to remember the lie. Yet when you tell the truth you know with integrity, with honesty, and you don't have to lie. And you give because that's disrespecting another person if you're if you have to lie to them all the time. Yet if you don't have to lie and you tell the truth, you're honest, people people generally want that from another person. You know, they can relate and know that where that person stands and don't have to worry about what they think about and this and that, they tell and honest about it. A lot of people are just trying to get ahead. Everybody else, but
Cody: Yeah. Well that I think that's the problem we have a lot in this society is everyone so concentrates on themselves that they don't understand that like core I Cody don't wake up with the intent to do you harm. I don't know who you are. I have no intent. And that's the reason you know, watching you talk to people, I've like you can see the good in people still because everyone comes from the same point inherently, and that's And and that's the part we have to get over in politics, is thinking of the other side as this evil enemy. And it's been refreshing to watch you interact with people and you don't come at it from them and us. You come at us from Americans and we're all New Mexicans and we're all Num Americans and we're all going for the same thing. And it's very refreshing to see that in politics. I wouldn't call you a politician 'cause, you know, that's a What's like cussing without the four letters? It's way more than four letters, but it it's still a curse.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and a lot of people that you know I've been talking to like labor unions and all that kind of stuff, they're like, Yeah, why aren't people doing this before? Why aren't people engaging like this and having honest conversations and helping each other? It's like that's isn't that what we're supposed to be for? It's like, Yeah, we're a community. And you know, they get it. it seems like a lot of people get it, just Some people still haven't moved down that direction yet. Someday.
Cody: Well, the thing I find interesting is my experience and I can't speak for you, but my experience has been with I've I've dealt had a lot of dealings with the labor unions and you talk to them and are like, This is my idea, this is my plan, yeah, I'm a Republican. And they'll come up and say, Yeah, you know, we're on the same part thing with you, but we have to support this group. We have to. And it's like why are you supporting them if they don't align with your your your belief structure. That's that's the part I can't ever reconcile.
Corey Zimmerman: Or your core values or whatever else. You know, it's like, yeah, I I get it. and and how do you tackle that? Well, several of them told me, Well, we have to support this person financially, yet we don't have to vote for them. You know, we can vote for whoever we want. That's that's America. That's American. We can vote for whoever we want. And that's what we promote. I was like, Fair enough. Fair enough.
Cody: Well yeah. Yeah, it it's just it's still frustrating to me and I know I'm still maturing in this. It's like how can you say that when you're like financially supporting people or a group that does not believe in your structure? That's the thing that always gets me.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it'll change in the future. we have no idea. We have
Cody: I can hope.
Corey Zimmerman: no idea what the election results gonna be November third. We don't know how it may change in Mexico or not. We don't know. We're we're just going at it the best we can. And people get to decide for individually themselves what they're really gonna do and we're gonna find out. And from there Take next steps.
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, maybe they will maybe the labor departments will be like labor unions will be like, All right, we're we're switching we're switching how we're gonna do this and we're gonna be supporting these people. go down that road. Maybe they will support more of the independence or or
Cody: I think that's
Corey Zimmerman: or not. I don't know. They're gonna have that conversation.
Cody: I do find it interesting that one of the I always thought it was interesting when you read through history how the founding fathers really did warn against the the party system. They said everyone should run on individuals. The party systems are gonna split the country and I think they were correct. But Corey, do you wanna you we've held you fifteen minutes longer than we you said you had time for. Are are you still good or you you said you had something else that you might have to do tonight? Are we
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, I got I get talking. That's that's one of my things. I I talk and then I lose track of time. So yeah, I still got a bunch of things that I need to get done. I got by meet Corey meet and greet tomorrow night at six thirty at the cup of coffee or cup of cozy and I'll know the kind of outlay outline who I am and you know my plan and all that kind of stuff and I still need to work on that kind of stuff and work on a lot of voter surveys. Did you know there's a lot of voter surveys out there?
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: There is a lot. I was like there's so
Collin Klein: I never mess with that.
Corey Zimmerman: many voter surveys. Yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning. And I'm going through them one by one, answering the questions. And they have the bike association, bicyclist association. They have a survey and it's like wow.
Cody: They have a bicyclist association? I didn't know that.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah. I didn't either. These things are popping up and they want me to fill out their survey. I was like, Okay, let's see where the see where this leads, see where this goes. So yeah w
Cody: The other thing I've we're at le we'll leave you at this. you know, go on Corey's campaign website. that'll be in the show notes. It's Corey for New Mexico dot what is it? Dot com or org. You can't ever dot com. You know, if you guys could all chip in, you know, five dollars goes a long way for a small campaign like Corey's. And I I mean campaign's big,
Corey Zimmerman: It does. Fine summaries.
Cody: but five bucks from someone will help will help them out a lot. So Even if it's five dollars, if you could chip in and help Corey out, that would really help us all. 'Cause we need someone with a good moral background to get into the state house for what. So Colin, you got any more questions or do you think we should call this?
Collin Klein: No, Corey, just if you have a sign off pitch or, you know, just state of affairs in Mexico, just you should have the last word here. So
Corey Zimmerman: Well so many people feel like their vote doesn't matter, doesn't count. I'm telling you it does. So New Mexico, Burnley County, District twenty six, your vote counts. Even if it's not for me, your vote counts and you should go and vote early. If you don't make it early, vote on election day and make your statement who you think is the best. best candidate and the one that you want to represent you because it matters. You matter. Thank you for voting this election and I look forward to to answering the call of going to the roundhouse and being our advocate. Thank you. Good
Cody: Yeah, that's the one
Corey Zimmerman: night.
Cody: Yeah. We really we wanted to tell you that, you know, I know you're a regular on our T on our program here. We're but you know, with your schedule that you've had, it's interesting to actually interview the one of the hosts. But you're so
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: busy. So we're gonna try to have you on every so often, like maybe every other week, to to just get an update on what's going on, what's new, what your insight is. I think that'll be if if that's okay with you, Corey. What do you think, Colin?
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: Whenever he wants whenever Corey's available, he's one of the OGCs, is what I would say.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. If you want a weight loss program, go run for office.
Collin Klein: Dude, for real, you look great.
Cody: What you got
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: y didn't you get below two hundred the other day you're saying that something?
Corey Zimmerman: Mm-hmm. Yeah, under two hundred pounds, from like one forty, one fifty.
Collin Klein: Wow.
Cody: I wish I was like I wish I wish I could like stop s I stress eat. You stress starve. So I mean that's
Corey Zimmerman: stress star, no. I'm just on the go and and I'm lactose entirely.
Collin Klein: Two hundred. Court, how is that possible? I got sixty pounds on you? I y I think you just gave away your height.
Corey Zimmerman: Yep. Yeah.
Cody: Well, I think we're we're gonna hold them up here for a little longer. So I think before we go
Collin Klein: Ha ha ha.
Cody: much further, Corey, I really appreciate you with your busy schedule lately to give us we asked for thirty and you gave us more and we really appreciate that. And
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, well you good you guys are good guys. Yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't have done the podcast in the beginning with you guys. And it's been a journey and learned lots. You know, my goodness, people that we've had on and got to talk to, mind blowing and then they gave me a a greater world view.
Cody: Well, they're part of the I think the podcast is a large reason why you decided to run too. So it's been beneficial for everyone. Colin's not like
Corey Zimmerman: I actually have told a lot of people that. There's several people that have said, Hey, what is the name of that podcast? I'm gonna subscribe and watch it. I'm like, Good luck. When he goes down the rabbit holes with his buddy Colin, his cousin, hold on.
Cody: Well, we just did this to, you know, get calling off the fence, but you know, now we've it's gone a lot of other places, so
Collin Klein: I don't know what I was on but I needed off of it and you guys assisted, so thank you. It did work.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. The good many.
Cody: So there's another rabbit hole we could go down. But so well thank you for your time. You're welcome back anytime.
Corey Zimmerman: Thank you for having me.
Cody: So you're one of the original rabbit holders and we appreciate it. And after on that, you have a nice evening.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, too.
Corey Zimmerman: Wait a minute. My people, I'm the people.
Cody: I was trying to make it sound bigger than it really was, but
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Thank you, Cody. I re I appreciate that.
Cody: Well, I I text someone. I'm sure it was you. So
Corey Zimmerman: it was.
Cody: but anyway, so we're gonna we're gonna do something a little different. Corey's been so busy meeting a lot of interesting people. So we're not gonna ask him all the different people 'cause he's meeting hundreds of people a week in his in his campaigning, but it's such a new experience to be this close to someone campaigning that I wanted to share his insight on what's been going on. So Corey, What what's your first what's your first takeaway? What what what's how would you explain what you've been experiencing?
Corey Zimmerman: It looked like Colin's is gonna say something real quick.
Collin Klein: Well, I I was gonna say that remember that because I remember when I campaigned, I was like I was one way before I started and then I was a totally different person at the end of the campaign. Like it was like it was totally different. So I just wanted to throw that out there.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, so when I first started I didn't have anyone that really was mentor me. I had a couple of people that especially Ramona Goldsby, she's running for Secretary of State, guide me through the process of how do I start this and get onto the SOS site and all that kind of stuff. And then had a lady that was putting together my material and I had to do the door knocking and find all my Places to go and all that kind of stuff. And man, it was tough. Linking up with Ramona Goldsby again and Miguel Padley and just learning from them and also they got me into a lot of places. Festivals, events, gallas. and I also got into top it up at the barbershop and so I was like everywhere. Which was pretty Amazing for me 'cause a lot of these things I have never been to. And how has it changed me?
Cody: What was the name of the barbershop? you Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: eyes all eyes on me, I think it was, off of Sixth Street.
Cody: Yeah, and Corey's gonna be there for a meet and greet, isn't it? Coming up.
Corey Zimmerman: No, that one I'm gonna be speaking at the barbers chop it up the barbershop September, I think it's the twenty eighth, which is a Monday. I think it's the last Monday of September. So I you know how I started you know, just a mess. trying to figure this all out. I'd never done this before. People have a lot of people have advice. It's kinda hard to figure out and weed through what is good and what is not. Yet the kind of a person I am, I'm a team oriented person. And so working as a team really made sense to me. So connecting with several other candidates, Steve DeFoya, Chris Crane, Ramona Goldsby, Janelle Garcia, and just kind of working the whole thing together and sharing what what worked and what didn't work. what connections you know we were getting and how did those connections open up so and now i'm more confident in connecting to the point where i went to a turning point usa chapter at unm campus they it's a small group and i guess there's like For the Republicans there's like forty percent of the population are four Republicans, forty three or forty seven percent, which surprised me. I thought it
Cody: Where?
Corey Zimmerman: was a whole lot lower at University of New Mexico. Yeah, yeah. yeah.
Collin Klein: Mm.
Cody: Really? I I would have thought it would have been a s way more lopsided.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, me too. Yeah, it it was Senator Jay Block that was speaking and I wanted to go and check him out and see how he conducted himself and learn a little bit more about him and how he thinks and processes. So I got there and met these TPU USA people and they were genuine and nice and I never I don't think I've ever met a T P USA person that I can recall. And it was just really interesting that connecting with them and finding out what major they were and and when they sat down, the medical people were on the left side, the math and science people are on the right side, so I was like, huh, interesting. They kind of separate themselves out. Yeah, it's like school. Yet when it came time for this thing to to kick off, the moderator was like, Hey We have the Senator here. We have Didi who's running for US Senate, I believe, and we also have a state rep that's running. And so we're gonna have all three of you guys come up there and speak. I was like the answer is yes. And in the back of my head I was terrified because like I've never done this stuff before. I was praying to God to give me the the wisdom and to speak through me as we were going through this conversation and sharing what we know and and how we answered the questions. I got to learn a lot from Didi and Senator DeBlock. And the answer the way I answered things, people really connected with. And so I was watching their interactions There are some that I just didn't know enough information about Juniper or Jupiter. It's a data center that's being put in. And there's some questions I still have and so I was honest about it. You know, it's like you know, why lie about what I do know and what I don't know? And so it was and then I heard what Senator Block had to say and it was fun. I had a lot of fun. And Miguel Padley was there and he
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: was watching. He goes, Two months ago you wouldn't have been able to do this. He's like you've grown a lot in two months. Your speaking skills and being more knowledgeable about about what's going on. So that was really fun and interesting. hit I've hit a lot of events, yet it's the galas. Have you guys ever been to a gala?
Cody: yes. I've been
Collin Klein: Unfortunately, yes.
Cody: Yes. Yeah. I wish I could say no, but yes.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Some are more fun than others. some are a blast. And there's a lot of people, which is I I thought I was an outgoing person and I found out that it energized me so much that when I got home I had to go out for like a thirty to forty five minute walk just to get all that energy out and just meeting people, talking to them and sharing my ideas. And also I've gone to a lot of young entrepreneur, business owners, leadership here in Albuquerque. I had no idea these things existed. Yet I got into those and yeah, made context, talked to people. One person, here, check this out. This freaked me out. one lady was like, Hey, I really like your energy and all that kind of stuff. I wanna vote for you, but I live on the other side of town. I want to get a peel box in your area so I can vote for you. I was like, no. Love the confidence.
Cody: no no.
Corey Zimmerman: No we're I'm I'm not gonna wear orange. Not going to wear orange. So it's that's prison orange with like numbers behind your
Cody: I was like
Corey Zimmerman: back. That's prison jumpsuit. Yeah. Some people get it.
Cody: Well collins weren't I was gonna say collins weren't orange right now. I I mean
Corey Zimmerman: that's a different prison.
Collin Klein: This is salmon, excuse me.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: Yeah, it's nice for men to start wearing that now. Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. I've also met a lot of union people, reps and companies and I've sat down and had lunch with them or coffee with them and just sharing my ideas, right? Of you know, trade school, bringing back shop class into the schools in the district so that when the kids graduate they already have a job. They already know how to work in the workforce, they already got healthcare, they got paycheck, they also have all the other fringe benefits. And if they want to go to a college, then they can go to a college and be able to pay for their housing, food and all that kind of stuff that's not paid by the lottery scholarship and be able to, you know, thrive. And they're like, What? You know, aren't you supposed to be Republican? I was like, Yeah, doesn't this make sense? He goes, Yeah, yeah it does. And each person I've talked to about that, they're like, Yeah. can we sit down? Can I introduce you to this person or that person? And people want to help the community. That's yeah.
Cody: I think the thing that's really good what about
Corey Zimmerman: That's the way we're supposed to be.
Cody: the the thing I like about what you're saying is there's a lot of stereotypes that have been promoted by the opposition party and they're just not true that we don't care about education, we don't care about health care, we don't care about all these things. We do. And you brought up stuff that I have looked into about how basically what is it Presbyterians leaving town. They're not gonna they're not gonna take Medicare anymore and you're gonna try to turn the tide on that. So that's a Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Medicare and Medicaid. Yeah. And what's gonna happen is they're gonna get a letter on October first and they're gonna have to find a new marketplace provider. United, Blue Cross Food Shield, and I think there's one or two other. And that's gonna hurt a lot of our seniors and those people are on the D D waiver. Yeah, and that hurts my heart 'cause that's my clientele. And I I don't I don't like that. And there's there's things that
Cody: Well, yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: happen and whatnot, but still. Yeah, go ahead.
Cody: Yeah. Well, you know, you're breaking down another stereotype that you help the sick and dying. And you see you're in the trenches, you see what these effects that these people are are putting forth. You you see how it's affecting them and you know and you've brought a lot of attention to my knowledge and I and I track this stuff as a hobby. It's
Collin Klein: And you're mature enough to understand root causes versus reactionary, you know, where
Cody: Exactly.
Collin Klein: people just go after superficial stuff versus why is this a systemic problem? Or is it a systemic problem and how do we find out if it's a systemic problem? Or is this a singular anecdotal story? This is the problem that we have with dem I was just talking and I I'm not hijacking this. I'm do you remember
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, so
Collin Klein: Cody's question. I was talking to a Democrat woman the other day. It was very meanable conversation. I don't get angry with them anymore 'cause I understand what happened. They don't have it in their framework to pri and Republicans don't really either, but to prioritize things and how to prioritize things. That's just absent from the world view. In terms of like, okay, something's bad. It's bad thing, good thing, versus what's the stack that created said thing? And
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Collin Klein: how does it all
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: work systemically? That's that was my biggest problem was how to explain it because you start talking more than twenty seconds like I have and people's eyes gloss over. So go ahead.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: Well,
Corey Zimmerman: And the way
Cody: you know.
Corey Zimmerman: I the way I approach it is, you know, when I meet people and especially in my district and they talk about what I'm about and you know, healthcare and that kind of stuff. And did you know Presbyterian no longer is gonna be carrying Medicare and Medicaid starting at the end of the year they're gonna it's it's no longer gonna be there and they're like, What? What's going on? And you know, so it it wakes up their their their brain and And it causes them to think about themselves, well wait, wait, this
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: affects me, right? This affects me in a negative way, yet I'm not going to bring a problem without a solution. So my solution was taking the tort reform and mirror it like Texas so that the doctors and all the professionals they are now safe, feel safer, right?
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: And have a reimbursement rate increase twenty percent at least. So Presbyterian can come back on board. Also, the other hospitals they will be able to function and and function better. And those things are tangible things that it can happen, right? Put it in a bill, it's gonna work. yet the other problem that I was contemplating and talking to some other people is. Okay, it's it you know, they're not taking it at the end in October they have to change over. Well who's gonna do it? Are they gonna pull in a bunch of corporate stuff outside of the state? They come in, swoop in, you know, do their thing and make tons and tons and tons of money and then take it back to wherever they came from. It's like I don't like that idea. Talking to a couple of people and they said we know people that actually do do that stuff. help people with the marketplace to find a united healthcare or something else that will get them what they need. Plus that those people are from here, are here and they will spend their money here. So it's not being taken out of New Mexico, which is a big problem. So many corporations coming in and taking and leaving all the the the benefits, you know, the money. So I I was like Let's work the problem, let's find a a space, put the advertisement out, and let's get these people what they need and have it all pre done. So before they get the letter October first, they already know where they're gonna go and how they're gonna get their their needs met. So I'm pre
Cody: Okay.
Corey Zimmerman: thinking down the road and I haven't heard too many people that are are that way.
Cody: I haven't heard that either. the fact that you're thinking ahead and trying to come up with a solution for something that what you didn't create is is very admirable. the thing
Corey Zimmerman: Well it's
Cody: I
Corey Zimmerman: it's part of it's re you it's just responsi taking on responsibility, right? If you know a problem's gonna happen, we'll come up with some solutions and then work the work the solutions to see what will work and what won't and if it doesn't, you know, reconfigure.
Collin Klein: It worst case you mitigate the problem. I mean that's the thing is like you gotta tackle a problem and the idea isn't that you're gonna make everything perfect, but that we mitigate damage. It's irresponsible to pretend a problem isn't a problem, you know?
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. and I've been on the receiving side of that stuff where people are like, Well good luck, buddy. Wait, wait, wait, where are we going with this? how we're gonna make the get the solution, that kind of stuff. Like, that's not my problem. Not my monkey, not my circus. And I'm like, I don't like that. i you know, if I know there's a problem, let's go ahead and figure out a solution because It's not a monkey, it's peep.
Cody: Yeah. Well
Corey Zimmerman: It's ours.
Collin Klein: Yeah. And it's mostly people not doing their job or things are being stolen or things aren't being run efficiently. I mean, that's ninety percent of the problem as far as I can tell.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. W whatever it whatever
Cody: Well they
Corey Zimmerman: it is. Yeah.
Cody: Well, I what what
Corey Zimmerman: Go ahead, Cody.
Cody: what they did is is they they they fixed a problem that wasn't really a problem but they they pi they they peddled to us an interest group or to the the people and now I I've I've known two or three people through my daughter I they were going to my daughter's school, there were doctors, they've left and gone back to New York because they can't afford the the Insurance, the medical malpractice insurance here is outrageous. And they're leaving and it's like what scares me is they're I've been told that we might have to well the benefit to being in Las Cruces is but the downside is what I'm getting at is we might have to go to l El Paso to get help for my daughter's autism because the people here they're saying we can't we're we're probably not gonna if if it continues going on, we're not gonna be able to afford to stay in New Mexico. So I might have to go to Texas. Which it's it's only forty mile forty minutes away, but go to Texas to get medical care and I live in New Mexico.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, a lot of people are doing that. They're going to Arizona, Colorado, Texas for the medical care, except for the middle and low class. You know, the but the poor
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: people can't do that. You know, but the upper and the the wealthy, yeah, they can do that. Yeah, it's no problem. And how does it serve
Cody: Well it's the same thing that happened
Corey Zimmerman: everybody?
Cody: Well, the thing I don't understand and that you keep bringing to light is they did this in Canada where they did all this stuff, they wanted to socialize medicine, and the rich come down here because they don't want to wait to get surgeries like they do in Canada. And and it didn't it didn't hurt the people that are in office because they have money then they can travel. It hurts the people that don't have money and they can't afford to travel and they have to go through all the bureaucratic crap bureaucratic garbage that they're all doing. And there's just like the elites or what they call the bourgeoisie are out there making these things and they don't understand the impact. And being that you are in the tr you know proverbial trenches and you're working with the people, you're you're, you know, yeah, you're praying with them, you're doing case management, you're being a patient advocate, and you see how these are affecting the people directly. So you're in the trenches. You're seeing how this mass tort lawsuits and stuff is just making everyone unscrew it. If I'm gonna get sued I must might can't live here no more.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, well it's not just them. It's me and my my my wife and my kids, right? It's my neighbors. It it's just not the people I'm serving, it's all of us. It's a new Mexican thing. It's not just one party or the other or whatever it is. It's a New Mexican
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: thing. And so coming together and and talking in in the in that way of it's a New Mexico thing, New Mexican thing. It's not a party thing. We all need to get on this and to to work together. If we don't, we're gonna all gonna fail. And failure's
Cody: Well it
Corey Zimmerman: not an option.
Cody: well failure is what's happening because we're forty-ninth we're we're at forty-ninth or fiftieth. It swings back and forth between on medical care. We're forty-ninth fiftieth on educ the education program here. We're always dead last in everything. We're forty-ninth or fiftieth on a growth in the economy. I mean these programs that these people are putting forth are strangling the community to death and they're not letting it grow. And, you know, your plans that you're putting forth is helping gonna help break the gridlock and hopefully attract some of these people these companies back into our our into our state.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's the integrity, doing what is right. And you know, people have called me a politician. Yeah, Cody your dad's called me a politician several times. Like I don't like you, I don't like you doing that. Yeah. Mine is serving leader. it's ser serving the common good for for all of us and not be all about me, yeah, because when I die, here it is. I don't want a statue. I don't want a flag. I just want other people that are carry on my core values of integrity, respect, responsibility, teamwork, serving leadership, and it just continues for generations and generations and this kind this this state, New Mexico is just thriving and all that kind of stuff because we are thrink thinking about the common good of all of us. Not just one party, not just this or that, but all of us together. Yeah, that's all I want.
Cody: that's that's what I like about that's what I like about your approach. It's a it's an all of us. It's not us and them. You're looking at the the group. We all we we all we all succeed or we all die. It's or not that we're all gonna die, but you know I mean it's a community
Corey Zimmerman: Well a lot of us may may die. I don't know. Yeah. If we don't have places where people can go for tr cancer treatments or specialists that can help with lead disorders or stuff like that, more people will will die. Yeah, it's it's a fact. Not and is everyone to be wiped out? Probably not. Yet can we prevent it? Can we
Cody: No, I mean, not to be a naysayer, but yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: pre Yeah, can we prevent it? Can we mitigate it? And can we do it with integrity? I say yes. I'm a optimist in yeah, I'm an optimist. Yeah, I I think people really wanna do what's right. And when it comes push comes to shove, when it we all are in the same boat together, most of us are gonna come around and say, We're gonna do this. We're gonna do it this way and We're gonna make it make it work. Go ahead, Colin.
Collin Klein: Sorry. yeah, can I add because that's something that I struggled with for years was the optimist versus pessimist, and I hated that dichotomy that you have to be like one or I'm this or I'm that and you're the eternal optimist or the eternal pessimist. It's like it doesn't seem right to me. Feels like maybe somewhere in the middle, but there is no middle. The middle is you. based on your perception between the two extremes. But I I do understand the optimism more because and Christians have been holding the faith and other faiths have too, I believe, and other other things that's a personal belief of mine, but no one has to chase after that one. That's just my personal belief. That a lot of individual humans have chosen faith over and love over falling into cynicism. And I feel like that that's this is gonna sound corny, but it is the l it is the determination of the spirillic life shoot of a sprout coming up through a sidewalk or through a a stone or it's life. Life just is going to keep going. And I
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: believe personally that consciousness or whatever it is to be human, whatever that means, is a part of that life cycle. And it's going to keep going. And people call that faith in God or faith in the univer whatever. If fa you call it faith, you know, is the key word there. And in faith in what a and the power above us in God and in the order that has been brought before us that yeah, it's a challenge, but it's something for us to grow into. We're growing into something new and beautiful. You know, this is we go through hardships to do that. History proves that to us. That's not some Pollyanish notion. That's true. That's objectively true. We can prove that. So that's what we're going through right now is we're we're we the conscious individuals that still have maintained enough will are saying no. We're not doing this. We're not gonna abuse our n we're not gonna fall for just lies and quips and shallow intellectualism. No, we're gonna use our eyes, our awareness, and make this make sense for us. And that's that's really what common sense is. That's really what it is in a nutshell. It's not common sense like in a knowledge base. It's like if you feel something's wrong, you see something's wrong. And you know something's wrong, something's wrong. That's common sense.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. But if it's right me see if it's right, yeah, I know it's right. Yeah.
Collin Klein: You feel yeah. It's all three full the threefold experience of
Corey Zimmerman: Mm-hmm.
Collin Klein: the human being are engaged in that. And that's what the computer algorithmic algorithmic hive mind people will never understand. They can't. They're not in that world of thinking, feeling, willing. They're in the world of binary.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, unless it if yeah, unless it affects them and it pops out, right? And then they're like,
Collin Klein: No well
Corey Zimmerman: wait, wait, wait, I'm affected by this. Yeah, 'cause a lot of times
Collin Klein: Right.
Corey Zimmerman: it's what pops people out.
Collin Klein: That it can, but then also they may fall into a false binary where it's good thing, bad thing.
Corey Zimmerman: yeah.
Collin Klein: Instead of where, like, how do we use those two opposing forces to force ourselves out of the current sit like pressure is there to create something anew. It's
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: not that one side is a hundred percent correct and the other, and that's like where the whole relativistic mind it's like, well, no one's right. It's like, no, there's a deeper truth. But if conservatives think that they have the high moral ground on every issue. I'm sorry. No, they don't no they do not. They don't talk about a lot of crimes that have been committed in this country. They talk about it more. Democrats are at this point they're at the point where you almost you can't help but feel a little bad for Like you wanna hate them, but you can't. It's like I understand what happened to you and it's almost impossible to talk you out of to get you to break out of your conditioning. It's almost impossible. Like there's exceptions, but man, I just ran into this woman and it was like and I had I was totally patient. She wanted like to talk to me later and like it ended well. Like it wasn't a problem. Like I d it wasn't antagonistic. But to even maneuver to a point where she and me had a point of context to understand something, I had to keep like it was like judo all the time. It was crazy. Like the mindset of 'cause it was from one A, B, two, three, four, five, six, seven, like all not even in that order. They just free association emotionalism is what I was getting.
Corey Zimmerman: Okay.
Cody: Okay, that's okay, yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah, and there's those people on both sides. But yet the the great thing is I think a lot more people are coming to the middle and and saying, Okay, yeah, this isn't working. There's a lot of independence. A lot of people are dropping from the Republican and the D Democrat Party and becoming independent because or I I forgot what the other term is. Yeah, you know, they're they're looking at you and both parties have issues. How do we fix the issues? How do we fix New Mexico? And it's been fun to talk to those people too, because they're they're on board. They're like, Yeah, let's do this. And there's a a lot of Republicans that are on board, let's do this. There's a lot of Democrats on board that that are like, Yeah, let's do this. it's just the far right and the far left they just want to hold their power and their ground and I think there there's less and less of those people that I've been running into. More people are coming to the middle to say we we can meet. We can meet in the middle. because this
Cody: Yeah what?
Corey Zimmerman: this is affecting all of us. Not on everything, not
Cody: Yeah, hyperpar par part.
Corey Zimmerman: on everything but on several issues.
Cody: I think the day like you're saying, the days of hyperpartism is needs to come to an end. We need to start stop looking at the differences between us and start looking at what can bring us together. Cause if we don't if we don't come together, we're gonna this this experiment can come to an end. And that's not what we wanna do. And that's not what I'm hearing.
Collin Klein: I if anything I've talked about with you guys and you've been I've been trying to get you guys to track like the complexities of like the higher level games and it's you can see why my brain's warp because it's so complex. How are we
Corey Zimmerman: yeah.
Collin Klein: going to get nine like the majority of the population to understand the reality of their situation, understand the financial markets, understand history, understand geopolitics, understand even remotely understand it to the the point they can it's not gonna happen. So the way it's just never going to happen and it shouldn't happen. It so I agree with your approach. I think i this is the soft, gentle finding areas of agreement and being spiritually above it all to the point where it doesn't bother you when you're getting spit at or ang people are angry. You don't emotionally react. And man, I'm learning that too. I'm learning that right now, literally on my phone. So I'm like I'm
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: I'm so
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. And and finding
Cody: Well, I just think that you're
Corey Zimmerman: that a finding the calm ground is the best way to to approach things versus, you know, I got my point over here, you got your point over over there. But actually listening to each other and that's one of my strengths as a chaplain, I I listen to people. I was in a room full of lobbyists and I was talking to them and just having a a conversation, just going back and forth and several of them said W wait a minute, you're having a real conversation with me? I was like, Yeah, that's what I do. She goes, Why is everyone kinda jumping one from person to another to another? And I was like, I this is this is who I am. You know, y how can I know who you are and how do I how do you know who I am and how we can work together and and move things down the road if we don't have like a meaningful conversation? Like I get it. I get it. Yeah, it's it's it's something that I've done with Cody. We've had a lot of meaningful conversations. You know. We haven't agreed on some things, other things we do agree on. Same thing with you calling and it's life. We're not supposed to agree on everything. We're not supposed to know everything and geopolitics and all that kind of stuff. Even those people, they're They're still trying to figure things out. They're still trying to catch up. yeah, and they're
Collin Klein: for sure. Yeah. No.
Corey Zimmerman: trying to make money off of it and they're still struggling.
Collin Klein: Yes. Absolutely. The grift is real. Yep.
Corey Zimmerman: Yes. It it's so complicated, yet if we break it down to the simple basics and people understand that the the emotional and also the logical connecting both of them together, more people are able to go down that road together faster than going off into all these other things. and I think that's what politics should be. keep it in more simple that not too simple but simple enough that people are connecting to it emotionally and also logically and they are able to have buy in have a direction that they can help take this instead of being
Collin Klein: The
Corey Zimmerman: lost.
Collin Klein: the tricky part is you as an individual to authentically communicate that have to have a pretty decent understanding of what the problem actually is and what the root causes are, or else metaphysically we're lying because that's what most politicians are. They're liars. They don't know actually what's going on. They don't have a framework of anything. All they have are a set of incentive structures that they follow like code on a computer.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: They're not thinking,
Cody: Well
Collin Klein: they're not feeling, they're not willing. It's just a it's it's a connectivity node is what they eventually become because it's exhausting to figure all this out, to be wise enough to know where to move and when not to. It's very hard.
Corey Zimmerman: It also is you have to be wise enough to seek counsel from people and ask them questions
Collin Klein: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: and what what are your your expertise in? What are you great at and how can I learn from you? And later down the road when I get elected and I'm down at the roundhouse, would you be able to I send you the bill or something and would you like give me your feedback on it? And you know, is it something that will actually help new Mexicans and grow or see things need to be tweaked? you know, what what need what needs to be be done so that we can learn and grow and and by having that mindset, not trying to be the smartest person in the room, because if I'm the smartest person in the room, why do have everyone else there? Yet if I'm a learner and listening and and utilizing people's expertise, I can grow myself and be able to know what some of these things are. And then also I I have them help me. 'Cause that's what our community is supposed to do.
Collin Klein: You're the smartest person in the room once you humble yourself. Just automatically.
Cody: The humble person is the smartest person. Yeah. I totally agree with that.
Collin Klein: Every time. Like why wouldn't you utilize everyone else's energy and expertise around you? That'd be silly not to do that.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and that's what I've done as a hospice chaplain, in clinicals, as a pastor. I pulled people in, I was like, You're the expert in this. Talk to us, lead us down the the right path, right? And I've never gone wrong except for once. Yeah, that person was an expert. That person was lying. But lessons learned. Yeah.
Cody: But well but
Collin Klein: Yeah.
Cody: the cool thing is is in the the short period of time you've been doing this, you've been able to your your spider senses, I guess you would say, your feeling towards what is somebody who's, you know, just out there t selling you a story versus someone who's actually l legitimate. And that's impressive. Your learning curve's been amazing.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and it's also my prayer structure.
Cody: I've been really impressed by that. And I mean I've known you for a Yeah. I've known you for eleven years and
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, I it's in my prayer structure. Yeah.
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: And in my prayer structure it's yeah, I'm asking God to open up the doors that He wants me to go through and keep the doors that shut that Satan wants me to go through and have discernment and have wisdom, knowledge and understanding and to to know when God is actually bringing someone into my life to help me or the opposite. And it it that's pretty hard 'cause people have motives. We all have seems like we all have some kind of motive. Yeah. It's a huge learning curve, very huge.
Cody: Yeah. And and it's you've seem to be even though you're seem to be very exhausted by what's going on, I've never seen you work harder. Yeah, and I've known you for eleven years. so it's been amazing to watch you grow and take the information in and y you're filtering it very well.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah, people were good. Yeah, and then I reach out and I say, Hey, I don't understand this. And that people
Cody: Well, you know
Corey Zimmerman: are willing to to dumb it down sometimes to my level. Like, Yeah, let's let's take out that you know master's dark degree in physics and let's like make it a little bit more simple.
Cody: Well, the the thing that's also been interesting is watching the people when you went up to the Whittington Center, the way you interact with them, like you had Ramona and and you went up there and it's like listening to the people my the people I've befriended up there say I've never been around two politicians, much less one politician, that actually listens and has a conversation. They're not just trying to get their talking points out there and get to the next person. They're actually listening to what someone's saying. And I think to me, that's the best compliment you can get. They're listening and they're taking it in and they really understand what we're tr trying to do here.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: And so I I've been really impressed by, you know, other people's impression. it was cool because a lot of the people up there didn't know our relationship. and they were out you can watch them talking and pulling the information off and then you could watch them like interact with you and then you could hear the feedback and it's been impressive the feedback that I've been getting. it kind of feels weird, you know, saying Data boy, go for it. Rock and roll, you're doing good. you're you're impressing a lot of people. But you are. It's been impressive.
Corey Zimmerman: And I think what
Cody: They would have
Corey Zimmerman: causes the im people to be impressed is I'm genuine and I'm I'm not trying to lie to people. Lying does not work at all because once you start a lie, you have to remember the lie. Yet when you tell the truth you know with integrity, with honesty, and you don't have to lie. And you give because that's disrespecting another person if you're if you have to lie to them all the time. Yet if you don't have to lie and you tell the truth, you're honest, people people generally want that from another person. You know, they can relate and know that where that person stands and don't have to worry about what they think about and this and that, they tell and honest about it. A lot of people are just trying to get ahead. Everybody else, but
Cody: Yeah. Well that I think that's the problem we have a lot in this society is everyone so concentrates on themselves that they don't understand that like core I Cody don't wake up with the intent to do you harm. I don't know who you are. I have no intent. And that's the reason you know, watching you talk to people, I've like you can see the good in people still because everyone comes from the same point inherently, and that's And and that's the part we have to get over in politics, is thinking of the other side as this evil enemy. And it's been refreshing to watch you interact with people and you don't come at it from them and us. You come at us from Americans and we're all New Mexicans and we're all Num Americans and we're all going for the same thing. And it's very refreshing to see that in politics. I wouldn't call you a politician 'cause, you know, that's a What's like cussing without the four letters? It's way more than four letters, but it it's still a curse.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, and a lot of people that you know I've been talking to like labor unions and all that kind of stuff, they're like, Yeah, why aren't people doing this before? Why aren't people engaging like this and having honest conversations and helping each other? It's like that's isn't that what we're supposed to be for? It's like, Yeah, we're a community. And you know, they get it. it seems like a lot of people get it, just Some people still haven't moved down that direction yet. Someday.
Cody: Well, the thing I find interesting is my experience and I can't speak for you, but my experience has been with I've I've dealt had a lot of dealings with the labor unions and you talk to them and are like, This is my idea, this is my plan, yeah, I'm a Republican. And they'll come up and say, Yeah, you know, we're on the same part thing with you, but we have to support this group. We have to. And it's like why are you supporting them if they don't align with your your your belief structure. That's that's the part I can't ever reconcile.
Corey Zimmerman: Or your core values or whatever else. You know, it's like, yeah, I I get it. and and how do you tackle that? Well, several of them told me, Well, we have to support this person financially, yet we don't have to vote for them. You know, we can vote for whoever we want. That's that's America. That's American. We can vote for whoever we want. And that's what we promote. I was like, Fair enough. Fair enough.
Cody: Well yeah. Yeah, it it's just it's still frustrating to me and I know I'm still maturing in this. It's like how can you say that when you're like financially supporting people or a group that does not believe in your structure? That's the thing that always gets me.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it'll change in the future. we have no idea. We have
Cody: I can hope.
Corey Zimmerman: no idea what the election results gonna be November third. We don't know how it may change in Mexico or not. We don't know. We're we're just going at it the best we can. And people get to decide for individually themselves what they're really gonna do and we're gonna find out. And from there Take next steps.
Cody: Mm-hmm.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, maybe they will maybe the labor departments will be like labor unions will be like, All right, we're we're switching we're switching how we're gonna do this and we're gonna be supporting these people. go down that road. Maybe they will support more of the independence or or
Cody: I think that's
Corey Zimmerman: or not. I don't know. They're gonna have that conversation.
Cody: I do find it interesting that one of the I always thought it was interesting when you read through history how the founding fathers really did warn against the the party system. They said everyone should run on individuals. The party systems are gonna split the country and I think they were correct. But Corey, do you wanna you we've held you fifteen minutes longer than we you said you had time for. Are are you still good or you you said you had something else that you might have to do tonight? Are we
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, I got I get talking. That's that's one of my things. I I talk and then I lose track of time. So yeah, I still got a bunch of things that I need to get done. I got by meet Corey meet and greet tomorrow night at six thirty at the cup of coffee or cup of cozy and I'll know the kind of outlay outline who I am and you know my plan and all that kind of stuff and I still need to work on that kind of stuff and work on a lot of voter surveys. Did you know there's a lot of voter surveys out there?
Cody: Yeah.
Corey Zimmerman: There is a lot. I was like there's so
Collin Klein: I never mess with that.
Corey Zimmerman: many voter surveys. Yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning. And I'm going through them one by one, answering the questions. And they have the bike association, bicyclist association. They have a survey and it's like wow.
Cody: They have a bicyclist association? I didn't know that.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah. I didn't either. These things are popping up and they want me to fill out their survey. I was like, Okay, let's see where the see where this leads, see where this goes. So yeah w
Cody: The other thing I've we're at le we'll leave you at this. you know, go on Corey's campaign website. that'll be in the show notes. It's Corey for New Mexico dot what is it? Dot com or org. You can't ever dot com. You know, if you guys could all chip in, you know, five dollars goes a long way for a small campaign like Corey's. And I I mean campaign's big,
Corey Zimmerman: It does. Fine summaries.
Cody: but five bucks from someone will help will help them out a lot. So Even if it's five dollars, if you could chip in and help Corey out, that would really help us all. 'Cause we need someone with a good moral background to get into the state house for what. So Colin, you got any more questions or do you think we should call this?
Collin Klein: No, Corey, just if you have a sign off pitch or, you know, just state of affairs in Mexico, just you should have the last word here. So
Corey Zimmerman: Well so many people feel like their vote doesn't matter, doesn't count. I'm telling you it does. So New Mexico, Burnley County, District twenty six, your vote counts. Even if it's not for me, your vote counts and you should go and vote early. If you don't make it early, vote on election day and make your statement who you think is the best. best candidate and the one that you want to represent you because it matters. You matter. Thank you for voting this election and I look forward to to answering the call of going to the roundhouse and being our advocate. Thank you. Good
Cody: Yeah, that's the one
Corey Zimmerman: night.
Cody: Yeah. We really we wanted to tell you that, you know, I know you're a regular on our T on our program here. We're but you know, with your schedule that you've had, it's interesting to actually interview the one of the hosts. But you're so
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: busy. So we're gonna try to have you on every so often, like maybe every other week, to to just get an update on what's going on, what's new, what your insight is. I think that'll be if if that's okay with you, Corey. What do you think, Colin?
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Collin Klein: Whenever he wants whenever Corey's available, he's one of the OGCs, is what I would say.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. If you want a weight loss program, go run for office.
Collin Klein: Dude, for real, you look great.
Cody: What you got
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah.
Cody: y didn't you get below two hundred the other day you're saying that something?
Corey Zimmerman: Mm-hmm. Yeah, under two hundred pounds, from like one forty, one fifty.
Collin Klein: Wow.
Cody: I wish I was like I wish I wish I could like stop s I stress eat. You stress starve. So I mean that's
Corey Zimmerman: stress star, no. I'm just on the go and and I'm lactose entirely.
Collin Klein: Two hundred. Court, how is that possible? I got sixty pounds on you? I y I think you just gave away your height.
Corey Zimmerman: Yep. Yeah.
Cody: Well, I think we're we're gonna hold them up here for a little longer. So I think before we go
Collin Klein: Ha ha ha.
Cody: much further, Corey, I really appreciate you with your busy schedule lately to give us we asked for thirty and you gave us more and we really appreciate that. And
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, well you good you guys are good guys. Yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't have done the podcast in the beginning with you guys. And it's been a journey and learned lots. You know, my goodness, people that we've had on and got to talk to, mind blowing and then they gave me a a greater world view.
Cody: Well, they're part of the I think the podcast is a large reason why you decided to run too. So it's been beneficial for everyone. Colin's not like
Corey Zimmerman: I actually have told a lot of people that. There's several people that have said, Hey, what is the name of that podcast? I'm gonna subscribe and watch it. I'm like, Good luck. When he goes down the rabbit holes with his buddy Colin, his cousin, hold on.
Cody: Well, we just did this to, you know, get calling off the fence, but you know, now we've it's gone a lot of other places, so
Collin Klein: I don't know what I was on but I needed off of it and you guys assisted, so thank you. It did work.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah. Yeah. The good many.
Cody: So there's another rabbit hole we could go down. But so well thank you for your time. You're welcome back anytime.
Corey Zimmerman: Thank you for having me.
Cody: So you're one of the original rabbit holders and we appreciate it. And after on that, you have a nice evening.
Corey Zimmerman: Yeah, too.
