Explaining Luis Rivera's Bizarre Testimony in Donna Adelson's Trial.

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Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida.
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I want to hear all about your Donna. Let's go well,
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I'm a domestic coordinator, a domestic coordinator.
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Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
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my son Robert who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
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Whendy who was ten, my husband Harvey, who's in the audience,
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and my dog's Sam.
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All right, and how old is five?
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Five?
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Cold?
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Give our best?
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Nice to have your hair crop and follows work, Don.
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Consonants are gonna be worried.
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And there's a lot of loading on this again, the
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personally isn't categories? Still your return letter beats hell? Help
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no hell, Donna M Yes there are two ms. Let
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him come up your five seconds person.
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Ella?
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Okay, yes, Kim.
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H.
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Mustard Maker, Yes there's one age time starts now mm hmmm, yes, mister.
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Nice. You are listening to the ROBERTA.
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Glass True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime.
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M from New York City.
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ROBERTA.
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Glass is now on the record.
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H Okay, here we go.
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Hello Tator, Hello, Ashley Monroe, Hello she Fly nine, Hello
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Liz Graham. How is everyone doing this? Saturday again, I
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have to apologize for the loud sound behind me I can.
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I think those who watched Donny Edelsen's trial with me
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will know that my air conditioner is broken and it's
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just not possible for me to do this show without
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these fans going, I'm gonna die in the New York heat. Okay?
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With that said, talking today about Luis Rivera's bizarre testimony,
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very different than the testimony he's given in other trials.
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Seems to have a very bad memory. Also, he seemed
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to back up Donna Aedelson's defense. I was like, is
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this a prosecution witness or is this a defense witness?
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I scratched my head at the end of his testimony
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said that he has no knowledge that Donna has anything
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to do with it. It was the biggest win of
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Donna's defense so far. Of course, the defense in Charlie
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Aedelson's trials scored the biggest win with Luis Rivera when
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they asked if it was possible if Katie had blackmailed
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Charlie Edelson, and he admitted it could be possible. That
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was the biggest win Charlie Aedelson ever got. Georgia Kappelman
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didn't even come back with redirect, which I found very strange.
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Maybe she's going to argue it in I would have
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come back and redirect, but I think she thinks Luise
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Rivera is a loose cannon. And here's why this is
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from the legal I've seen these legal filings myself, but
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a legal focus. Judy did a really nice job putting
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them together in one video. And if you want to watch,
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I encourage you all to watch the entire video. It's
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linked in the description of this episode. But here is
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Luis Rivera has been writing the state trying to lower
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his sentence he's concerned about for years. Basically, he's since
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twenty twenty one. He's concerned that he is going to
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get bumped off in state prison doing the state sentence.
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He's like, look, I helped you guys out. Let's hear
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a little of these legal filings. I sped this up
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just a ten so we can make it through it
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in an efficient way.
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Here we go.
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So this is a motion that I'm sure somebody helped
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him type up. Back in July twenty twenty one, where
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he is asking to change his sentence, he says he
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cooperated with the state's attorney his cooperation was substantial. He's
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also expected to testify against others. He's a former KANK
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membert He says serving his sentence in Florida would put
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him in grave danger. Federal sentence expires twenty twenty six.
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He's been a model prisoner, currently enrolled in GED classes
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and other programming.
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Right.
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He says he's enrolled in Model GED classes. He wants
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to be a better man for his daughter, who was
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born in twenty fourteen. So, I mean it goes on.
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I mean, there's so many different letters and filings and
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the state hasn't done anything for him. Here's from Chuck Collins.
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Dear mister Rivera, I've received and reviewed the above reference letter.
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I mean, I believe the state's position is like, look,
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you got a sweetheart deal involved in murder in Florida,
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you get life, you got a tiny sentence for what
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you did. You should feel grateful. We're not going to
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do much for you. And so this gives just a
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little background. So here's I've received a review the above
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reference letter. This is from the state. I can certainly
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understand your concerns. I've also reviewed the motion for appointment
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of counsel with the Leon County Clerk of Court and
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reference to your letter. At this time, I remain on
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the Court appointed registry in Leon County.
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Oh.
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This is his lawyer. However, I'm unaware of how a
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defendant can request the specific court appointed attorney the court
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appoints me to represent you in any capacity in the future.
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I do not know of any legal reasons I could
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not accept set appointment. So he's trying to get a
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lawyer to get a better deal. Here's another filing from him.
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Then they denied him this appointment of counsel that he wanted.
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It's mad at the state for host of different reasons,
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but mainly here's another letter. This is a This pretty
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much sums it up. This is from Luis Rivera.
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But he helped him, so he says the same thing
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that he's cooperated. It's been substantial resulted in convictions. He's
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in prison total nineteen years.
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Okay.
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He was a high ranking member of the Platinum Kings,
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so it makes him a target of that streak game.
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He's now marked for depth. He's very concerned about having
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to be in a state facility in Florida would be
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engraved dangature. You'd have to probably be in isolation, confined
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to itseld twenty three hours a day. He says, I
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understand the seriousness of it. I did not pull the trigger.
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Right, He's like, I didn't pull the trigger help me out.
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The fact is they did help him out. Nineteen years
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compared to life pretty good, I'm sure, Charlie Edelson, Katherine mcmanawa,
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et cetera. I wish they got that sentence, Katherine mcmanala,
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I didn't pull the trigger. There are though she's hoping
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for favorable treatment too, not with those pro offers. I
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don't know. We'll see, We'll see what they do with her.
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Very curious to see how that turns out. So that's
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what I think is behind what we saw is bizarre
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testimony on Friday in court. Let's take a look at it.
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That just gives you a little bit of the background.
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But I encourage you to watch all of Judy's video.
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I wanted to we see that in mister Rivera, please
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raise your right hand this one.
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Do you swear or a firm testimony?
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You're about to give?
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What you yes, sir, yes, sir?
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So please introduce yourself and spell your.
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Name Louis Brivero. Hell you I asked R I V E.
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R A.
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Where are you from?
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From Puerto Rico?
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Okay? But were you living in Miami back in twenty fourteen?
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Yes, ma'am.
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How long did you live in Miami whole life? You
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were born in Puerto Rico though, yeah, okay, but moved
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to Miami at what.
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Two years old?
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Have you been convicted of a felony, including the murder
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that we're here about.
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Today, Doris, it's not my My ac has broken. I
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can't believe you can't hear it. That's fantastic. I hear
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it running through my headphones. It sounds like I'm in
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a wind tunnel, so it may affect me more than
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affects you guys. Sounds like to my ears, it sounds
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like I'm in a wind tunnel. I have two fans
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going the window open on the New York City streets.
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I can't believe it. That is a testament to the
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sound blockage feature that stream yard. Oh yeah, yeah, I
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can't wait for this thing to be fixed, yes, ma'am.
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Five felonies sound correct, ma'am. And you're currently incarcerated.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Is that for this case or this case and another
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case that both so it's a federal sentence, and this
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sentence the case. What did you plead you in this case?
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No?
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Hollow back girl. I'm gonna have that in my head
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all day now. Hollow back girl. We have sweaters on
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cold and Canada today. My mother is in Nova Scotia's.
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She's writing me, texting me, talking about all the lobster
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rolls she's eating and making me very jealous. Great country,
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this case.
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Guilty guilty to what?
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Second degree murder? Guilty to second degree murder?
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Thank you?
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What was your sentence on the second degree murder? Nineteen
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years and that was concurrent with your federal sentence?
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Right, yes, ma'am?
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Okay? And what did you have to do in exchange
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or getting a nineteen year sentence?
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Corroborate?
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What does cooperation mean to you?
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Well?
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Telling telling one who I'm a cosey friend of the
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Garcia Katie, all right?
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Did anybody ever tell you what to say? No, ma'am,
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has anybody ever told you anything other than to tell
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the truth?
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No?
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Excuse me?
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Has anybody told you to say anything other than the truth?
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Has anybody promised you anything other than the sentence that
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you got in exchange for cooperation.
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No, ma'am.
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Did anybody ever tell you, oh, you have to testify
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about a specific person to get a deal, No, ma'am,
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not at all. Have you been offered anything on your
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federal sentence from doing this cooperation on this?
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Yeah, they can't help you out with a federal sentences like,
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but he was trying to get his sentence to run,
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you know, concurred. Is it running concurrent, like at the
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same time as his federal sentence running the same time
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as his state sentence. Can't remember, help me out, guys,
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but he would rob you. You know, you forget they're
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also well behaved, as my mother, who volunteers she teaches
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in jail, says, they're all well behaved in jail. You
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forget sometimes I think some of my audience forgets that
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they will rob. This guy will rob you just as
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same as look at you. I mean, that's what he
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likes to do. He likes to rob the way other
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people like to play chess or do something else. Knit
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he likes to rob. That's his favorite thing to do.
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Rob people, especially drug dealers.
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As part of your negotiation or your lawyer's negotiation of
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this case, did you give up what's called a proffer
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or recorded.
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Proffer, yes, ma'am.
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And even back then when you gave the prophet did
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anybody tell you what you needed to say there?
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No, ma'am.
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Were you hired to participate in the murder of Dan Markel?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Who hired you to be involved in the murder?
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I got it with my friend Thudo Garcia.
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Is that Segredo Garcia?
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Yes, ma'am.
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How did you know him?
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I missed this on Friday.
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I don't know.
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My head was so mind blown from Jackie Fulford's opening statement.
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It's been called the worst opening statement ever given by
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a defense Attiurney, Eddie Dryle, It's the worst one I've
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ever seen. But for me, it was just so morally
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repellent that she would call Dan Markel Danny what his
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friends called him while she's trying to get off his murderer,
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really and has been called. Some people view her as
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the mastermind of the crime. Other people view Wendy. We
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can argue about that all day. It depends really what
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you mean by mastermind. But certainly she was really pushing
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to get this done, and when she wasn't pushing for
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Dan Markel to be murdered, and we don't know that
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for sure. We just know what we have as far
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as evidence and how involved she was in this whole
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relocation thing. She was pushing for him to be psychologically
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tortured by Wendy and suggesting various ways that Wendy could
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psychologically torture him. So forgive me if I'm want to
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throw up with Jackie Fulford's opening statement, and as many
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of you pointed out, she says, I don't mean to
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be respectful too. Meant to say disrespectful as she was saying,
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but I like to call them Danny well, you know,
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and I know people are I just asked that you
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you know, not let's try to eliminate any of this
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kind of I know people have favorite nicknames for her
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concerning her looks, but I really just don't think it
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makes us look good as a as a people. My
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problem is not with their looks, it's with their actions.
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So if you can refrain from the disparaging nicknames about
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her looks, comparing her to you know, giving your men's
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names and stuff, I just, you know, let's draw attention
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to really what's wrong with her, which is not her looks.
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It's her actions so repulsive a y yay, so she
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calls him Garcia. I thought at the time I thought
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he was saying he wants to be called mister Rivera,
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but no, she calls him Garcia. She says, she opens
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her across with mister Garcia, which supports my theory that
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I don't think that she has worked very hard on
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this case. Her opening seemed disjointed and rushed, like she
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just had created it the night before or that morning.
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She seemed to the way she was echoing Wendy's inflections
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and using her words, and her opening talking about divorce
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is not fun fun makes me think that she has
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been cramming for this trial and hasn't really hasn't done
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her due diligence. I don't know. I mean, did Donna
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Adelson hire her with the idea that maybe she could
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get an appeal on inefficiency in an effective council? Josh Zelman,
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I didn't think his cross his cross was? I mean,
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he was reaching with these unbelievable things, like just because Donna.
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Did Donna ever say I don't like Dan Markel when
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she called him a jerk? Is that is jerk a
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pet name in some other language? I mean, a jerk,
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a million different four letter words and bastard other we're
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supposed to think she liked him. It was just not great.
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Jackie Fulford had, like I said, the most effective cross
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with Luis Rivera that when she was not calling him
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Sigfredo Garcia with friends.
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So to cooperate and get this deal, you had to
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turn on one of your best friends.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Who enlisted Sigfredo Garcia to be a part of this murder?
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Katie?
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Who's Katie?
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His wife?
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Is that Catherine mcvanaa, Yes, ma'am. Do you know who
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enlisted her to be involved in this murder?
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Not really.
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Did Was it a murder for hire?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Did you know that somebody was paying Katie?
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Yes, ma'am.
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And Katie was the one that brought the money to you,
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all right, yes, ma'am. And what was the purpose of
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this murder as you understood it?
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Did they wanted the kids?
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Who wanted the kids?
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Oh, Wendy?
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Okay?
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And did you understand that you were killing the father
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of the kids so that Wendy could have the kids?
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Ma'am?
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Have you previously referred to a dentist being involved, Yes, ma'am.
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Who was the dentist, Charlie? And how was he related?
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Uh, Katie's boyfriend, hypeps whatever you want to call them.
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All right, so Katie was the wife of Garcia, but
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also the girlfriend of the dentist. Did you have any
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contact with the dentist ever? Did you have any contact
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with any member.
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Of the adle?
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Boy that yes, says it all. He does not like Katie. Yeah, yeah,
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she was sleeping around. Oh yeah, no, ma'am.
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Everything went through Katie, righty maw. What did the dentist,
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if you know, have to do with the lady in
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Tallahassee who's kids who needed her kids?
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I don't know nothing about them. I don't know nothing
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about that family.
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Who was in charge of getting the money after the
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job was done?
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Katie.
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So here's another another odd answer from Louis Rivera when
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asked he understood, as he said to law enforcement, as
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he's testified before in other trials, that he always understood
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that the reason that they were doing this murder is
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so Wendy could get her kids for the lady, and
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that he was pointed out to Wendy as she was
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walking down the street. Now, Wendy said it must have
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been some other lady with some other kids. I don't know.
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I don't know about that. What are your thoughts on that?
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Curious to hear your thoughts. But now in this trial,
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after all this filing, he seems rather to not know
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why he was doing this murder?
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Odd No, How much were you to be paid for
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your part in this crime? Thirty five thirty five thousand dollars?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Did you know the total amount that the job paid? No?
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Not, not really.
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Did you know how much Garcia got?
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Forty?
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I believe forty thousand dollars?
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Yeah?
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And did you know how much Katie got?
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No? I don't know.
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I don't remember, but I think it was like forty.
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I think I thought it would be like a honey
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or something like that.
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Okay, somewhere in the neighborhood. One hundred thousand dollars, yes, ma'am.
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Was it a one time payment or was it a
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payment that occurred over time?
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What you got?
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That's the one time payment?
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What did you know about the man that you came
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to Tallahassee to kill?
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I don't know nothing about him.
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How did you know who to kill?
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Garcia? How did he know Katie?
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Did he have some information about the man you were
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here to kill?
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Yes, ma'am.
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What howl tell him what that was?
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It was a piece of paper? Is what is a
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picture on of his face and the.
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Address picture of Dan mark Hel's face, Yes, ma'am and
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the address of what where he lived? Did you and
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Rivera refer to each other? I'm sorry you and Garcia
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referred to each other as brothers, yes, ma'am. Exactly.
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What's curious is that his whole demeanor, to my eye,
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seems annoyed with being there. And he's never had a
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long drawn out testimony for the state. But it seems
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like Georgia is trying to keep her questions to yes
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and no questions and shorten it as much as she
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can in this trial because she's picking up on this.
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She knows the history, she knows about these filings. She
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knows that Luis Rivera is not happy with the state,
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and then he's resentful that he has to do this
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and has to be a snitch. And he thinks that
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nineteen years is excessive. I mean he may be talking
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to people in other states. I mean the sentences in
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New York. If you do a crime in New York
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can be ridiculous, can be Have you heard about people
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getting crazy short sentences or not charged at all for murder?
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If you get one of these open society backed foundation
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back das you could get, you could not even get charged.
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Maybe he's talking to some of those people in prison saying,
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why did I get nineteen years for being get away driver?
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Because Florida still still has laws against murder. I mean,
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if you go to Chicago, don't even get me started
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about Chicago, Baltimore, Maryland, other places. They see all these
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convicted criminals as victims, and the matter how psychopathic or
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end or dangerous they are, they want to get them
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out at all costs or end or not charge to them.
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In some DA's chesabou Den was in San Francisco, Kimberly
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Fox in Chicago, Bragg in New York were put in
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for quote unquote justice criminal justice reform, which means don't
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charge anyone and overturn as many long convictions as you can,
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people who were given significant sentences. You and I mean,
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the whole point is to try to excuse me. The
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whole point is to try to bring our criminal justice
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system and make it look as much like Europe like
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the UK, for example, England, Italy, where they don't really
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have they have twenty or thirty year sentences and that's it.
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They don't really do these life sentencesn't accept in stream situations.
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Yeah, yes, ma'am.
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Have you ever been to Tallahassee before you came for
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this case related to this case? How many times did
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you come to Tallahassee related.
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To this case?
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This case? Twice?
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So were you with the Trado Garcia both times? Was
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that one time in June and one time in July?
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I believe so?
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Okay, and July was the time.
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Second time is when the murder happened.
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Is that right, yes, ma'am.
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Was it just the two of you on both of
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these trips.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Yeah. Actual States plenty four.
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Introduced, I'm going to be talking with Patty from Patty's
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Playhouse tomorrow who was in the courtroom. I'm curious. There's
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also Josh Zelman earned his fee with objecting on there
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was on the grounds that there was no foundation, that
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the state hadn't established foundation, and he got those sustained
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those objections, and it really threw Georgia Kappelman off of
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her rhythm. So I'm curious what's going to happen next week.
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I hope she's prepared for that. It seems to be
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a strategy he uses in trial. So I just saw
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someone say in the chat that Georgia Capelman seemed ill prepared. Yeah,
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ill prepared to have significant objections the on grounds that
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she hadn't led foundation, she had an established foundation. Got
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really sticky and contentious, and the judge got very annoyed
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with the defense. But while he was sustaining the objections,
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Publishing states forty four.
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Who's this right here, Garcia? And this Katie?
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Who's that.
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Your child's mother?
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Yes, ma'am.
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What's her name?
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Jessica?
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Okay?
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And that's you there?
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Yes?
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Was this picture taken before or after the murder?
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I can't remember.
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At the time of the murder. Was Katie with the dentist,
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Katie with Garcia? Was? She would both both? Were you
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at the time of this murder living with Jessica Rodriguez? Yes,
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there's an address on the rental car contract fifteen fifteen
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Northeast one hundred and thirty fifth Street, number fourteen. Do
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you recognize that address? That's my apartment, yes, ma'am, all right,
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let's talk about the first trip that occurred in June.
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How did you get here.
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For that trip?
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When we rented a car?
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Who rented the car for the June trip the first one? Yeah,
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if you remember, I can remember, but one of you
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you were sick?
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Tredo, Yeah, I think it was Fred. I went to
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the Pria, So I never went on the TRP.
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Okay, So Garcia rented the car for the June trip,
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but it was a rental car that y'all brought.
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Up here, yes, ma'am.
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Okay.
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And did you take the same route on both trips
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to get to Tallahassee?
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I don't remember, okay.
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And did he have the paper with the picture of
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Dan Markel on both trips?
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Yes?
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And what did you do on the first trip?
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We drove by here and we just followed him around
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to see where he lived.
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And shit, okay, were you planning to kill him on
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the first trip?
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I don't remember. Okay.
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Did you have a gun on the first trip?
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Yeah?
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Did you have a gun that you procured specifically to
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kill Dan Markel with?
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Yes, ma'am.
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And was that a gun that you bought off the street?
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Yes, ma'am, you bought it. I bought it, okay.
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And were there any other guns in the vehicle for
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that first trip?
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If you know, I think we had two, right?
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And what was the other gun?
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Thirty eight?
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Whose gun was that?
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I see you.
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On that first trip in June twenty fourteen, did you
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and Garcia go to Markel's residence?
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Yeah?
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And did you lay eyes on him that first trip?
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I believe I passed by his house and sculled them out.
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You said you followed him. Do you remember where you
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followed him on the first trip?
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Yeah?
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I followed him to a daycare?
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Okay.
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How long were you here that first trip? Yeah?
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Maybe I don't remember.
503
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.960
A couple of days, sound right, just a couple of days.
504
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.960
Why wasn't Dan Markel killed on that first trip?
505
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:34.559
If you know?
506
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.440
If I remember, I wasn't gonna do nothing from the
507
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.920
no kids, but he.
508
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:41.799
Had the kids with him.
509
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.000
Yeah, yes he.
510
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.799
Did, but for whatever reason it didn't happen on that trip.
511
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.920
We lost him. I believe. I believe we lost them.
512
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.480
Okay. And when you didn't get it?
513
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.720
So this is a news story that we've never heard before.
514
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.039
Correct me if I'm wrong, But I I remember the
515
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:11.519
story being that Luis Rivera refused to let seek Greado
516
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.640
Garcia kill Dan Mark Hell in front of his kids,
517
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.960
and anyone heard the lost him story before? Let me know,
518
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.119
is that part of it? Have we heard that before?
519
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.839
And I'm forgetting done on that trip.
520
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.920
Didn't it was anyone angry at you?
521
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:35.799
At me?
522
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:36.359
Yeah?
523
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:37.200
I don't think so.
524
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.960
All right? Did you hear at some point that y'all
525
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.839
were going to have to come back if you wanted
526
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.480
to get the money and do finish the job?
527
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:44.519
Yeah?
528
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.720
All right? So you did come back in July?
529
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:47.279
Is that right?
530
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.480
And that's when you came in the prius? Yes, ma'am
531
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.039
you rented the prius.
532
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.319
Right, yes, ma'am I did.
533
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.799
And that name name, phone number that you wrote on
534
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.799
the preus rental agreement and wrote brother, that was Garcia's
535
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:07.599
phone number.
536
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:09.599
Yeah.
537
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.199
I think.
538
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.079
You took phones with you to Tallahassee.
539
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.519
So he can't remember that Sigfredo rented the cars. I mean,
540
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.159
what happened to his memory? I mean, how many murders
541
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:25.880
has he committed?
542
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:26.239
Is this?
543
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.639
He would think that he were to remember these things
544
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.880
and he's testified in court. How many other times does
545
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.880
he have to be a snitch and testify in court.
546
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.760
So I think all of this is just trying to
547
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.760
give the state a hard time, and this comes on
548
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.400
the back of the defense giving the state a hard
549
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.440
time rightfully, that's their job, not criticizing him, just saying
550
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:57.360
rightfully and objecting on lack of foundation a thousand times
551
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.840
in delaying the trial you were supposed to get through. Wendy.
552
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.280
Wendy was there. I've showed the picture. Wendy was in
553
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.599
court ready to testify, but we didn't get to her.
554
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.679
This was so much arguing and objections over lack of foundation,
555
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.400
which were all sustained by Judge Everett. Loved to talk
556
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.920
to Georgia Capulman. Love to know what she thought of it.
557
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:26.760
She thought that was a good ruling or not. Doesn't
558
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.960
seem to She didn't seem to think it was a
559
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.000
fair ruling just by her eye rolling and attitude. But
560
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.000
she teaches law for both trips, right.
561
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.119
Yeah, did you turn your phone off for the actual murder?
562
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:47.480
Yeah?
563
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:50.199
What about Garcia? Do you know if he turned his
564
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.159
phone off when.
565
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:52.880
The murder happened?
566
00:35:53.039 --> 00:36:02.800
Yes, sir, shit, Remember, Okay, did you stay in Tallahassee
567
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.079
for a couple of nights when you came here?
568
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.960
The second time, it was stay there for a night
569
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:09.719
or two? I think.
570
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:11.599
Did y'all run a hotel room?
571
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:12.239
Yes?
572
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.079
Do you know how many guns were with you on
573
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:16.880
that second trip?
574
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:22.440
I just one.
575
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.760
You only remember one gun on that trip, Remember one.
576
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.440
That's the murder weapon, yes, ma'am, the one you bought
577
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:29.039
on the street.
578
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:29.760
Yes, ma'am.
579
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.119
What type of gun was that? That's a revolver, yes, ma'am.
580
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:41.119
Do you remember an incident where there was a shot
581
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.079
fired into the floorboard of the prius?
582
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:43.800
Yes?
583
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.679
Could you tell the jurors about that?
584
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:48.320
We was driving it home.
585
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:55.840
Does this story remind anyone else of Quentin Tarandita's movie
586
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.480
where they accidentally shoot a guy in the face. Does
587
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.519
anybody else like the story reminds them of that? All right,
588
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:53.679
I gotta go let my cat out. I'll be right back. Okay.
589
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.360
The monster is out out of the room. The little monster,
590
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.280
sweet little guy, out of the room. Okay.
591
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.000
Here we co course he had put the gun out
592
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.000
and shot the gas lane in the car through.
593
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.280
The floorboard of the car, yes, ma'am. Passenger side of
594
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.840
the driver's side, passing side. Okay. And that was the
595
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:23.440
murder weapon that fired that shot. Ship and I don't remember, okay,
596
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.360
but he was messing around with some gun and fired
597
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.000
it into the car.
598
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:27.920
Yeah.
599
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.840
And were y' all driving in the car when that happened, yes, ma'am.
600
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.960
And did it disable the cars?
601
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.880
The car started stopping a little by little started slowing down.
602
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.400
Okay, that's the prius, right, yes, ma'am. How did y'all
603
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.760
get the car going again?
604
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.639
We see we've seen somebody that he knew and stopped
605
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.880
them and took him to the to the auto place
606
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.960
to get a piece of holes and put it back together.
607
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.800
And the guy that you saw that, and then we
608
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:01.559
robbed a drug dealer. Weasley loves act over fast hit
609
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.119
the like and help preferd to get a cat door.
610
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:11.719
Thank you, Wesley. Oh that would be luxurious. That would
611
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:12.559
be luxurious.
612
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:15.760
Is it so bad?
613
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.559
Are these breaks so bad for you? I hope they're
614
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.840
not too bad for you? Guys? Oh crap, Sorry, let's
615
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:24.559
see where I am.
616
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:25.519
Yes, ma'am.
617
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:26.480
Okay.
618
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.320
And that came through Garcia to you from Katie, Yes, ma'am.
619
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:33.639
And when you say Wendy.
620
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.480
Was going to hide a gun, I'm no mistaking was
621
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:42.000
gonna hide it.
622
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.639
What did happen to the gun got the one away
623
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.440
thrown away where no.
624
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.119
Ocean somewhere?
625
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.079
All right?
626
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.760
Previously he's total law enforcement that they brought two guns up.
627
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.360
He said he brought two guns up because he was
628
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:07.039
worried that after the hit was done, that seek Freido Garcia,
629
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:11.039
his bestest friend, his brother, was going to turn on
630
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.519
him and kill him so he could get all the money.
631
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.280
And Ian was like, yeah, I've heard that before. No
632
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.239
honor among these guys.
633
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.800
Who threw it in the ocean. Somewhere he did, all right?
634
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.159
Was that on the way back to Miami, had some
635
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:36.440
overpass somewhere between here and Miami. Absolutely, where did you
636
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.079
go after the murder? Go home?
637
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:42.960
We have to have somewhere to eat? Then went home?
638
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.000
Did you stop in an atm.
639
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:47.760
I don't remember?
640
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:57.119
Show you States Exhibits thirty eight, thirty nine, forty forty three.
641
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.480
Oh see texts this chick Hello, says I actually thank
642
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.480
Fulford's pitch of nothing, tying her directly, she said there's
643
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.440
no evidence against her client. I thought, well, what are
644
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.800
we doing here, Let's just send this to the jury.
645
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:18.440
If there's no evidence, why are we having all this
646
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.199
testimony which is evidence? She tried to exploit I hope
647
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.719
there's not too many young people on the jury, but
648
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.880
older people have had decades of this too, this idea
649
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.039
that it's not d if there's not DNA, And you're right,
650
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.199
the reason you do a murder for higher is so
651
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:41.079
you don't get your hands dirty. They just undid a
652
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:47.440
converction in Oklahoma Richard Glossa because he got Justin Snead
653
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.480
to do it for him and offered him a bunch
654
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.920
of money. And now they have to have another trial.
655
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:53.559
Is there just.
656
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.519
To get this guy off of death row thanks to
657
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.320
the whole anti death penalty movement. Well, the supporters of
658
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.320
Richard Gospel will say things like, there's no DNA. Same
659
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.559
here with DONA, there won't be DNA and there certainly
660
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.239
won't be DNA on the money or fingerprints because she
661
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:17.519
made sure that she washed that. Yeah, I didn't think
662
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.599
it was a I thought her opening was terrible, bossy, awful.
663
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.119
But she had a good moment in this in this cross.
664
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.199
We'll look at it a second thirty.
665
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:46.840
Yes me, are these images fair and accurate?
666
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:48.360
Photos of you?
667
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:52.519
Pull them through an ATM in the day, July eighteenth,
668
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.679
twenty fourteen, Yes, ma'am, Pembroke Pines.
669
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.400
Is them on the way home from Tallahouse?
670
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:03.000
Yeah, that's you at the ATM or you the driver, yes, ma'am.
671
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.760
And who's that in the passenger see Garcia.
672
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.199
Published I'm sorry introduce.
673
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:18.800
You.
674
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.199
Is that the vehicle you were driving the day the.
675
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:29.159
Murder was done, sir, Yes, ma'am, publishing thirty nine. Is
676
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:40.079
that you at the ATM machine? Yes, ma'am, states exhibit forty.
677
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:45.880
Is this, mister Garcia to your passenger, Yes, ma'am, State's
678
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.800
exhibit forty one. He's the passenger that was jumping around
679
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.880
when we saw the car in tallahassee on the bus video.
680
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:52.519
Absolutely.
681
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:10.519
H Do you remember when you turned your phone back on?
682
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:16.320
I really?
683
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.840
Do you remember who was the first phone call that
684
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.400
either of you made after the murder?
685
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:21.400
Garcia?
686
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.960
Who did Garcia call Katie? And were you able to
687
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:26.800
hear Katie on the other end of the line when
688
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.360
he was talking to her? And were you interested in
689
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.079
that phone call because she was gonna be the one
690
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:32.800
to get you the money?
691
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:33.000
Right?
692
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.719
Absolutely?
693
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.000
And was that phone call in reference to letting her
694
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:43.880
know it's done and she's gonna get the money. When
695
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:44.840
did you get the money?
696
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:46.440
Saturday morning.
697
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:48.719
Is that the next day?
698
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:58.880
The next day, do you remember that on that Saturday
699
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:03.199
morning you got a call from Katherine Magvanla. Yes, she
700
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:05.960
was looking for you to give you the money, right, ma'am?
701
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.960
And was that unusual for her to call you?
702
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.360
I really, she never caused my phone.
703
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.000
She never calls your phone. But she couldn't get a
704
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:13.880
hold of Garcia, right.
705
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.719
I didn't get ahold of answer. She got a contact
706
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:15.920
with me.
707
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.719
And at that time, wasn't Garcia living with another woman?
708
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:21.400
Yes?
709
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.199
And that was the woman that goes by the nickname Shrimp, Yes, ma'am.
710
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:25.719
Okay.
711
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.320
And that's where you ended up rousing him out of
712
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.000
rights to go get your money, right.
713
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.280
Yes, ma'am okay.
714
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.119
So he wasn't living with Katie as a family at
715
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.599
that time.
716
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:41.199
Noay, So he's obsessed with Katie. He's so obsessed with
717
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.280
Katie that he do a murder for but he's living
718
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:52.599
with another woman. H wonder how that works out? And
719
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.079
you can hear that then they're still sleeping together. I
720
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:01.000
wonder how Shrimp feels about that. You can hear him
721
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:06.079
asking Katie for these tiny sums of money. Put this
722
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:07.960
in the bank, put that in the bank for him.
723
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.880
So when you say that that Katie was with both
724
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.880
of them, do you mean just that Katie was always
725
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.599
kind of off and on with Garcia.
726
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:20.880
Yes, ma'am.
727
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.440
So she has other boyfriends sometimes he has other girlfriends,
728
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:42.400
but they always find each other again. Absolutely, well, all right,
729
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.440
tell us what happened when you got your money? How'd
730
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:46.480
you get it? Where'd you get it?
731
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:47.519
Oh?
732
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.719
I was in the barbershop and they pulled up to
733
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:57.440
my house, Katie and Garcia, and they they call my phone. Yeah,
734
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.800
I think my baby mama phone. I think I'll be
735
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.000
Mama called me when they came.
736
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:03.440
To my house.
737
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.400
Okay, Katie and Garcia brought the money.
738
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.159
I was in a barbershop and Katie Garcia they went
739
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:09.199
to my house and brought the money.
740
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:11.519
All right, And do you know where Katie got the
741
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.320
money from? Were you there when Katie got the money? No,
742
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:18.960
but you knew that she was supposed to.
743
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.800
Go get it, absolutely, and she did, yes, ma'am.
744
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:30.559
How much did you get thirty five? Was there anything
745
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.880
unusual about how your payment was packaged?
746
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.000
Thirty five thousand dollars for nineteen years in prison? Who
747
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.800
would take that money? About of money?
748
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:40.679
No?
749
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.760
What I mean, this story such an exploitation of the
750
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:51.400
poor by rich people, feel their throwaway trash people, and
751
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.639
these aren't the best people. There are people you would
752
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:05.159
but just the arrogance of it. But I I have
753
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.519
to apologize to Donna. I may have misread her. I
754
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.599
thought it said apprehended. It may have said, approached her script.
755
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:14.960
I'm looking at it again. It may have said I
756
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.480
approached her Donna her script that she wrote the snitch
757
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:24.400
in jail. She was going to offer Veneers for this
758
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:29.880
perjured testimony, this false testimony about Katie Veneers, prescription drugs,
759
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:36.079
property money. So I may have read that wrong. Maybe
760
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.760
said I approached her. I thought this apprehended. It's really hard.
761
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:42.360
It looks like she may have crossed out things. And
762
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:47.519
I'm reading it from the projector where they projected it. Tiny.
763
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.360
Hopefully that evidence will be released to the public, the exhibits.
764
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:55.840
It was weird.
765
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.639
It was it was all stable cash money cash, how
766
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.320
all hundreds, all hundreds of thousand lots of.
767
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.920
Staple stabled in the bundles of a thousand dollars. Yes, ma'am,
768
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:10.960
have you ever seen staple money before?
769
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:11.239
No?
770
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.960
Did you and Garcia buy anything.
771
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.199
With your cut of the money idact to bought a motorcycle?
772
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.239
Moving to evidence forty six and forty seven.
773
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.239
Runner Yes.
774
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:39.480
Publishing states Exhibit forty six. This yellow motorcycle, whose is that?
775
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:40.280
Garcia?
776
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.440
Is that something he bought with the money that was
777
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:44.559
the proceeds of this murder?
778
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:45.119
Is man?
779
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:46.079
Okay?
780
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:47.840
And what about this vehicle back here.
781
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:48.800
By that one too?
782
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.159
He also bought that with his cut of the money?
783
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:51.480
Yeah?
784
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:56.239
In State's Exhibit forty seven. What about this motorcycle right.
785
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:56.960
Here that's mine?
786
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.159
Is that what you bought for part of what you
787
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.079
bought with your money?
788
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:01.760
Yes, ma'am.
789
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.119
How long after the murder did you, guys like this purposes?
790
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.360
Days? Weeks, months?
791
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:14.920
Yeah, I like a month, I like them month.
792
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.079
Did you make any changes to your cell phone after
793
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.159
the murder? Did you dump your cell phone?
794
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:24.880
I don't remember.
795
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.239
Did you meet with investigator Newlan from my office to
796
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.119
see if you could recognize some voices on some recorded
797
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.000
telephone calls? And did mister Newlan play some calls for
798
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.280
you and have you initial on a sheet if you
799
00:50:41.360 --> 00:51:19.119
could identify the voice State's exhibit Yeah, I'm gonna show
800
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.920
you what I have marked as State's exhibit one thirty six.
801
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:41.519
Kay, Yes, do you recognize this exhibit?
802
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:42.519
Yes, ma'am?
803
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.159
And are these your initials here?
804
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:44.920
Yes, ma'am.
805
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.679
And does that mean you're verifying that the highlighted name
806
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.360
you know that person.
807
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.960
And that is their voice absolutely particular?
808
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:59.480
Yes, m.
809
00:52:01.000 --> 00:53:10.320
Please on their re Did you know where the dentist lived?
810
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:11.679
Nope?
811
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.760
Did you know that the dentist had a safe full
812
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:15.159
of money?
813
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:15.960
Nope?
814
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.440
Did you know that the dentist was going to be
815
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.840
paying for at least part of this murder?
816
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:21.760
No?
817
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.880
And if you had known that the dentist had a
818
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.559
safe full of money, would you have driven all the
819
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.880
way to Tallahassee to do the murder to then get
820
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.280
the money? No? What would have been a better idea?
821
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.039
What would you have preferred to do to get the money?
822
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.159
I wouldn't want to rob them myself.
823
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.000
Did you suggest a Garcia on the way out to
824
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.039
Tallahassee that y'all could just go to whoever had the
825
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.000
money and rob them instead of doing this murder?
826
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.400
And mentioned somebody that Yes, And but.
827
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.760
That Garcia said that wouldn't work right?
828
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:58.079
No?
829
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.280
Nothing further cross examination.
830
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.440
Good afternoon, mister Garcia. Excuse me, I said, good afternoon,
831
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:23.079
Good afternoon.
832
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:28.039
I just want to make sure, okay, did everybody hear
833
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:32.519
that good afternoon, mister Garcia. It might be important when
834
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.039
you're pross examining, examining somebody to get their name correct.
835
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.159
No one knows who that adolescent was sitting next to Harvey.
836
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:47.079
I don't think so.
837
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.920
I'm sure I understood your testimony. It was your testimony
838
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.719
that the first trip you came up on you scoped
839
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:01.119
out mister Markhill's house, correct, and that he was going
840
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.360
to be taking his kids to school. So when he
841
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.559
came out with the kids, you're trying to follow him
842
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:06.880
to the school, correct.
843
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:11.360
Ma'am, and you got lost, he lost you, yes, ma'am.
844
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.280
And the second time that you came up, you knew
845
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.320
he was going to be taking the children to school,
846
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:19.079
and so you followed him to the school.
847
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:20.599
Did they care?
848
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.599
Yes, yes, And then you knew he was going to
849
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.639
be going to the gym, right.
850
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.360
I didn't know who was going to the gym. I
851
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:26.079
just followed him.
852
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.440
You followed him to the gym, okay. And then you
853
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.840
followed him to his house, yes, ma'am. And that's where
854
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.239
he was killed, yes, ma'am. And the woman who wanted
855
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:40.440
him to be killed. Passed you and Sigcredo and Katie.
856
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.639
The woman who wanted to be killed was Wendy Aedelson. Correct, Yes, ma'am,
857
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.000
it was she wanting her children.
858
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:48.440
Correct?
859
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:49.280
Absolutely?
860
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:53.559
So.
861
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.519
Is this Donna throwing Wendy under the bus? I don't
862
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.400
think so. I think I think it's just good lawyering.
863
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.960
But this is what he's always said, that they were
864
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.440
doing this for Wendy, get her kids.
865
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:15.480
It's back.
866
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.960
He's always been one of the strongest witnesses against Wendy
867
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.880
this case, not Donna. He's never mentioned Donna. And good
868
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:30.199
cross by Jackie Fulford for capitalizing on it. Oh, it
869
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.280
was the mother and brother of the defense paralegal. Thanks
870
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:37.800
Raven in the now, thank you appreciate it.
871
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.639
Mister Garcia, I'm gonna show you what.
872
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:42.679
I'm so sorry.
873
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:47.679
Sorry, I'm so sorry, but it doesn't really matter to me.
874
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:52.400
Can I can I call you Luisi? Since I'm on
875
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:56.119
the first name basis with Danny Marcal the victim here,
876
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.639
as I'm representing his murderer and trying to get her off.
877
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.199
You know, I really want Donna to have a decent defense.
878
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.320
I don't want her to have a terrible defense, because
879
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.280
then she's gonna get it overturned. I don't want them
880
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.880
to do something that would allow this conviction if it
881
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.119
becomes a conviction to be overturned. Could be a hung jury,
882
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.559
could get an acquittal. We don't know, but certainly the
883
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:26.880
way all the other trials have gone, odds are on
884
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.159
or getting convicted. Also, she's very unlikable when she takes
885
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.079
the stand. I don't think the jury will like her.
886
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.079
But who knows what Donna Edelson will see when she
887
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:39.400
takes the stand. Maybe she'll take the stand and put
888
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.960
on the performance of a life a life. It was terrible.
889
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:52.920
I didn't know, I was afraid. We don't know. I apologize,
890
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.840
but I find Jackie Fulford repellent. If I were a duror,
891
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.760
she would have hit such a poor note with me
892
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:13.599
with trying to take the victims moniker and align herself
893
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.360
with a victim going. And then she went into the
894
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.719
brutality of the crime. I didn't really go over that yesterday,
895
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.360
but she seems to really revel in telling every gory
896
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.360
detail of it. I think she's trying to desensitize the
897
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:33.559
jury to the heinousness of this crime, to not sweep
898
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.400
it under the rug. But she would have hit such
899
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:43.440
a bad note with me on that opening. I don't know.
900
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:50.320
I would find it very hard to to listen to
901
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:50.880
anything else.
902
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:51.239
She said.
903
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.039
She's lost credibility with me once you call him Danny,
904
00:58:55.079 --> 00:59:00.239
I don't mean to be respectful. So she said, as
905
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.079
a little slip up there, I just like to call
906
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.400
the victim who I didn't know, in front of the
907
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.039
in front of the grieving victim's parents there too, in
908
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:19.800
the courtroom, disgusting. She's gonna pretend she's one of them, Sarah.
909
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.079
I'm going to show you what's been marked as defendants
910
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.079
Exhibit fifty.
911
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:25.079
Could you take a look at that and tell me
912
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:26.079
if you recognize that?
913
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:31.360
Yeah? And what is that like a profile of everybody's face? Okay?
914
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:35.360
And did you make some marks on this for me
915
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.559
and then and then sign it on March.
916
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.679
The eleventh, Yes, I did.
917
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:53.599
You just hold on to that, mister Barah.
918
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.800
When we met with you that day taking your deposition,
919
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.280
I presented that to you. You gave us information about
920
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:01.880
what had happened pretty similar to what you talked about
921
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.280
here today, correct, Yes, ma'am. And when we were done
922
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.239
talking about those things, and some information about Sigfredo and Katie.
923
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:11.840
I presented you with what's in front of you as
924
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.639
defendants Exhibit fifty, correct, yes, ma'am. And I asked if
925
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.880
you would put the number one and circle it next
926
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:21.960
to the person you know as Katie who you said
927
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.519
it was in charge of this whole deal.
928
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.440
Correct, yep? And did you do that yep?
929
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:27.199
All right?
930
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.159
And then I said, would you put a number two
931
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.639
next to the person you say did this killing?
932
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:34.079
Yes?
933
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:36.360
And you did that correct, Yes, I did, and that
934
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.679
was Sigfredo Garcia, yes, ma'am. The first one was Katie
935
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.639
Macbatwah correct, yes, ma'am. And then I said, would you
936
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.960
put a number three next to yourself on.
937
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:48.440
The paper and did you do that, yes, ma'am.
938
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.679
And you're the one who got the gun that was
939
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.559
used to kill Danny Markel and you drove the car
940
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:54.960
that day.
941
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:56.840
You didn't shoot him, right, yes, ma'am.
942
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:57.239
Okay.
943
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.480
And then I said, if you would put please put
944
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.679
the number four next to the man who was killed,
945
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:07.199
and you did that with Danny Markel, correct, is ma'am.
946
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.199
And then I said, if you would put the number
947
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.480
five next to the lady that oneed man killed and
948
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:14.519
did you do that?
949
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:15.000
Yes?
950
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:16.840
I did? And was that with Wendy Aedelson?
951
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:17.199
Yes?
952
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:17.559
I did.
953
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.079
Then I asked you if the two people on the
954
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:23.360
top of the page who have pictures there and the
955
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.119
names Donald, I mean, Donna Aedelson and Harvey Edelson, you
956
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:29.760
see those on the top, is ma'am?
957
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.519
I asked you, as far as you know, were they?
958
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.400
She can't get her own clients name right, Donald, Donna,
959
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:40.400
I get I mess up to talking. This is her client.
960
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:47.000
She just seems ill prepared. I think she's a dark person.
961
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.199
I mean, can you imagine feeling comfortable to call the
962
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.719
victim Danny as you're representing his killer in front of
963
01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.480
the grieving victim's parents what they called them? I like
964
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.480
to be one of you and called Danny. It's disgusting.
965
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:12.519
This woman just really raised all the red flags for me.
966
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.199
Someone I would want nothing to do with that I
967
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:22.000
would stay as far away from as possible. I'm not
968
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:28.239
crazy about lawyers in general, especially defense attorneys, but although
969
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.519
I have had some who've been on the show multiple times,
970
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:38.800
I understand why everyone needs a good defense attorney. But
971
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:47.599
this woman woh so callous, so.
972
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:50.360
Cruel, involved in any of this and you said no,
973
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:51.440
correct as well.
974
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.320
So I asked you to put exits next to the
975
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.400
people who on that page were not involved in this
976
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.079
as well, and you did that, So did thank you.
977
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:22.280
Moment, we're right at the end here, curious no redirect.
978
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.639
She just had him say essentially that my client had
979
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:33.199
nothing to do with any agreed no redirect. Okay, I
980
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:38.400
guess she'll clear it up in closing unless they fixate
981
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:40.639
on that. If I word dura, my ears would have
982
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:50.239
gone huh, all right. So that is his bizarre, his
983
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:54.039
memories bad. He did everything to help out the defense
984
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:58.000
that I think he's angry at the state for not
985
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.920
reducing his time. That's what I think. That was a
986
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:11.320
very hostile, cooperation, cooperative testimony he gave. So I'm going
987
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.840
to end this episode the way I end so many
988
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.960
of my episodes about the murder of Dan Marcal with
989
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:26.519
a victim impact letter. This is when we haven't read
990
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:31.559
in a while. This is to the honorable James C. Hankinson.
991
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:37.719
Dan Markel was my cousin, his father Phil my first cousin.
992
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.559
I knew Dan as a child, my little cousin, and
993
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:45.679
became reacquainted with him when his sister Shelley got married
994
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.920
in Toronto in August of nineteen ninety six. My husband
995
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.800
and I went to the wedding and enjoyed a coffee
996
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.039
with Dan in the small cafe in Toronto the day
997
01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:00.400
before the wedding. Dan was so warm and welcoming and
998
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.360
wondered aloud why it took so long for us to
999
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:07.239
reconnect and get to know each other as adults. We
1000
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.679
instantly warmed to one another and saw each other as
1001
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:14.559
often as we could, given that we lived miles apart,
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across the continent and in different countries. My husband and
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I were intrigued by Dan's loving and positive nature and
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enjoyed being with him. Dan clerked for a judge in
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the United States Court of the Ninth Circuit in Phoenix.
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After his time there, he would return for yearly reunions
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with a judge and former clerks. We had a winter
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home in Scottsdale, Arizona, and spent as much time as
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we could with Dan whenever we were both in town.
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Dan introduced us to the judge on a couple of
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occasions and to the other attorneys he worked with. We
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went to the movies, dinners, and he occasionally stayed with
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us as well, spending time together. Dan kept in touch
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and visited us in our home in Victoria, b C.
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With Wendy shortly after they got married. Whenever we spoke
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by phone, he would constantly talk about his cherished boys.
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It was clear that they were the light of his life.
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When he and Wendy separated, Dan was distraught about his
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children and the entire situation. Losing Dan was a huge
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and painful shock for me. I cannot imagine the grief
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in suffering Dan's parents, Ruth and Phil, his sister, and
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other family members have been going through since his untimely
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and shocking death. They continue to suffer while this tragedy
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continues in always will. Dan's two boys will never know
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and experience the depth of love their father had for them,
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and will not receive his loving encouragement and guidance as
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they grow older. Best Norma Butterfield. That is what I
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are in the description of this and every episode. Have
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a great night. See you tomorrow. Patty from Patty's Playhouse
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is coming on to talk about what it's like don
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Aedielson's trial from a from inside the courtroom. So we'll
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talk about that. We'll talk about Donna Harvey, Wendy's appearance,
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also what it was like with all the arguing between
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the judge and the defense attorneys and the prosecution. I'm
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going to talk about it all, what she thought of
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opening statements tomorrow at six pm Eastern. Don't miss it.
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Then Monday, I'm back live streaming the trial from very
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early in the morning on Stay tuned, guys. I'll see
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you tomorrow at six pm Eastern. Have a great night.
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What a speak shore him?
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You got it a murder because you wanted to raise
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your daughter's kids, tamahas he is just to stop on
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the way to civilization. My Heami is where all the
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fancy people are. The TV is about five. You can't
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get away from that. Toutoe tato hu ho. You know
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the guy you pay then you can't get away from that?
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Oh Donald?
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What to stitch your head. You thought chall was just.
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For the little people, but now you're so blank.
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It's with the locked up proof.
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Your grandmother is locked down and your one way ride
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to feed on your blue.
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Gona.
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What a stitch your head.
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Your family are exiled from the social circles you swam in.
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We all know you never made that banana break your.
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Offer to babysit for dance, but you'll soon be nake
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in license plates and thinking a.
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Bubble could have been.
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Oh Gona, you had to plan a murderer