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how old is the chicken you bought for dinner?
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Well, to be honest with you, you have no idea because they don't have to put it on the label at all.
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Mm-mm.
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No.
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Nope Who's got chickens?
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Who's got quail?
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Who's got hatch rates off the scale?
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From brooders, coops, and mystery birds.
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You're listening to poultry nerds.
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Welcome to The Poultry Nerds Sorry Did it?
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Yeah Hey, Carey, how's your week going?
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I mean, my week has actually kicked off to a really good week.
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I gotta say it's, it's going really good.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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Anything interesting happen?
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not really.
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Not really.
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Which- Did see- Which is why it's good week, right?
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Yes, it is.
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'Cause things can get kind of kooky around here.
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Really?
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Yeah You know what I did see?
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What?
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I did see about another egg recall.
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You know, that came up in You know, that came up in the recording we did last week with our special guest that's airing here in a couple weeks.
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He asked us if we knew about the egg recall, and like a big dodo head, I was like,"Mm-mm, don't have a clue what you're talking about" Well, I mean, when you don't buy eggs- And- and you don't watch the news, it's kind of- Well, when's the last time you bought eggs?
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Exactly June, June, the middle of June.
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Why?
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Because we were going down to the beach for a week, and I didn't wanna put eggs in my cooler to take them with me, and I did not pre-cool the refrigerator in the camper because I was not at home when the camper left to go down there.
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My wife did it.
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Gotcha.
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And so we had to buy eggs.
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I'm sorry.
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Those things are, like, white.
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Terribly white.
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They're very pale, yes.
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And then when you crack them open, it's like- pastel, pastel yellow.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I can get some flavor in them.
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She put enough salt, pepper, garlic, a little bit of tajin in there, you get flavor in anything So what, what's going on with this egg recall?
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Because you looked it up and I didn't.
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So, like- There's one in the Midwest multiple, so like this one huge conglomerate of farms sells eggs under a bunch of different labels- Okay which if people didn't realize, that actually is common.
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you know, there's not like 50 people that make tires.
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There's just a couple.
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They just put different names on them.
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Right.
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So Kroger, Simple Truth, Brookshire, Country Morning, Cow Main, Sun Up, which is not an Asian dish.
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those go back to the same supplier, and they're having to recall all those.
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I think with that one it was like 1.5 something million dozen eggs that were produced in Texas Got recalled not long before that, back, like, July, mid-late July What's wrong with these eggs?
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I mean, they're wanting to, put fear in us.
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You know, I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a certain amount of people out there that just love turmoil and control.
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Oh, wait, I w- I don't have my tinfoil hat on.
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Sorry.
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Oh.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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so, like, with the latest outbreak that I've seen, there were 98 people that got sick in 17 different states.
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26 folks went to the hospital.
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Luckily, nobody died.
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The FDA, that was their latest update.
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So yeah, like, they some, they some folks getting sick pretty bad, to the point that they've been able to link it straight back to that farm.
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So did you know, I did a article, I posted it on the Poultry Nerds website not too long ago.
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Mm-hmm.
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Did you know that Cal-Maine was the largest egg supplier in the country?
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Mm-hmm.
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Because it goes from California to Maine.
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Cal-Maine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So- ooh, there's another funny to it also.
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Oh, it's not funny.
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Okay, what is it?
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Kind of is.
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The, the, okay, the irony in it.
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Okay.
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So you know how everybody's like,"Oh, I got to have organic pasture-raised eggs and da, da, da, da, da." Well, the Kirkland brand of their signature organic pasture-raised eggs sold through a lot of the Costco stores was on the list.
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Of what?
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Recalled eggs.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah.
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So it, it's been like all kinds of stuff, which, you know, like, like what you said, it's not a problem for us.
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Mm-mm.
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So.
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Yeah.
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So all of this, and then now we've got the news that a deal is fixing to be made about importing beef, and the homesteaders on social media are all having a conniption fit about this.
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And so I did a little bit of research into it.
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With your tinfoil hat or without?
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With- without it.
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I just wanted the information, and I uncovered some stuff that I had no idea.
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Did- A little wild did you know that if meat...
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Now, I only did beef and chicken, so I can't speak to all meat, but under USDA guidelines- What else is there?
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Well, lamb and bison and stuff.
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Okay.
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Turkey.
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but anyway- That all counts.
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Some people like those beef and chicken, as long as it's at zero degrees or less- Mm-hmm they can store it indefinitely.
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Yeah.
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You didn't know that?
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They can.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, they, they meaning the- The man the man.
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I knew you'd know.
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But that, that's why the deep freeze, like, when I bought a deep freezer, I made sure that I got one that went to minus five for that particular reason because if you get one that doesn't go that cold, then you can have, well, you're more likely to have freezer burn.
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And- Okay, but you're missing my point be- so they can store it indefinitely.
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Girl.
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So they could be- Do you know how many hamburgers or how much hamburger meat the fast food industry goes through every single day?
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No.
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They can't store it indefinitely.
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Okay.
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Have you not seen the price of beef lately?
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No, I have my own.
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All-time high.
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So for producers like my son, who has the largest Beefmaster herd in southeast Alabama, or no, in the southeast region of the United States, close to the largest in the eastern, all of it, it's been an all-time high.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he's loving it because it's, it's actually to the point where a cow is worth more on the hoof than it is not Well, I sent my bull to the auction and I, got almost 100% of my money back, and I got three calves out of him.
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Right.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know,'cause I asked him, I was like,"Son, why?" I was like,"Why do you pay him his overtime rate to haul cattle out to Texas from here?" I mean, you know, he's in Central Alabama, too.
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And he goes,"Daddy, let me tell you.
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Hang on a minute." I said,"Okay." And then he sends me a Snapchat, and I look at it, I'm like,"What is this?" He said,"That's how much I made off the last time I paid him to drive out to Texas." So there's paying more for'em in Texas?
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More for'em in Texas on the hoof walking through the sale barn than on this side of the country, frozen or on the hoof.
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Wow.
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And he had- Why, why is it higher in Texas?
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Everything's bigger in Texas.
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You know, he had a 26-foot gooseneck trailer that, 26 foot is like the ideal.
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You know, a lot of people, and Bree could probably attest to this, when they set their driveway back or their gate back, that, that length is typically done with a 26-foot because that's the most common.
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but he just bought, it's either a th- I want to say it's a 34 foot.
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So two trailers could go back and forth at a time Wow Beef is at a all-time high right now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So- I did know that.
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But anyway, so this- That ain't a tinfoil hat moment.
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No.
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The- And, like, people are going nuts over people bringing in foreign beef, but the fact of the matter is the same people are the ones that created that problem.
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Because if you do the research on how many pounds of ground beef the fast food industry goes through every day, it's astronomical.
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Which there's also the, the amount of beef that they go through And then if you know a little bit about math, you can calculate that times the actual number of patties that they sell, and when I did the research on the beef thing- Mm-hmm it looks like they're just bringing in lean trimmings, because the beef in the States is all feedlot.
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A lot of it.
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And it has a high fat content.
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And- For the, the commercial industry it is, yeah Yeah.
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And so they use these lean trimmings in order to make the 90/10 that everybody wants to eat at store.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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And, That's real common with it.
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Yeah, and then- And they also use it for, like when you buy commercial lard, that, that's where they get, which is kind of sad that they're importing a lot of fat.
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Mm-hmm.
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But that's- Well- that's where a lot of it come from and then the amount sounds impressive that they're bringing in, which still hasn't been signed as of the date of recording here.
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Mm-hmm.
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But the amount is only, like, seven and a half days worth of American consumption.
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Yeah.
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You know, they just have 90 days to bring it in.
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I mean, we're tearing beef up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we need...
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Which, I mean, I get it.
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I love good steak.
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It's good.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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But- Yep, we eat a lot of it, but we have our own here.
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that led to another discussion, about grass-fed or grain lot, and somebody said, you know, you couldn't tell the difference.
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Well, I beg to differ, because we only eat grass-finished- I was gonna say, if- and you can tell the difference if it is true old-school definition grass-fed, yes.
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Like mine?
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Like, yes.
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But the way they twist stuff to make it to where the labels can say what they want them to say, and they can sell them for the higher prices, that's like,"Oh, these are cage-free chicken eggs." No, homie, the barn that those chickens live in every single day has a hole in the side of it, and because it's possible that they making, they can go out there if they actually want to, then- That's cage-free Well, that's gonna lead us into today's podcast topic.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's right, and have your own eggs and not have to worry about recalls.
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Yeah.
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And beef prices.
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Yeah.
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All right, so that leads us into today's topic, which is the chicken at the store.
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How old is it, and what do all those labels mean?
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Oh.
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And- I have not ate supper yet.
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You're fixing to kill it because I was gonna have chicken.
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Well, I have to tell you, we got fried chicken today.
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Mm.
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But you know what prompted all of this?
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I got a phone call from a reporter at the NBC Today Show who wanted to interview me on how all of this works in the whole scheme of things with chicken.
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And after talking to her, and of course, she lives in the city, I realized that people do not understand what the labels mean- Mm-mm which is the whole premise of their topic and the story that they're putting together.
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And I thought, you know what?
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If it's good enough for the Today Show, it's good enough for the Poultry Nerds podcast.
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That's right.
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That is right.
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So all the questions that she asked me, I put together for this podcast, and here we go.
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So how old is the chicken you bought for dinner?
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Well, to be honest with you, you have no idea because they don't have to put it on the label at all.
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Mm-mm.
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No.
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Nope.
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So the label, the dates that you see on the label, that's just a suggested use it by, but it, it honestly doesn't mean anything.
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I had no idea.
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I thought that was a whole thing.
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So one of the...
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Let's see.
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This girl that's still around my family was in a relationship with one of our previous foster kids.
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Mm-hmm.
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And she is die hard.
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If it is beyond the sell by date or use by date, it needs to go in the trash.
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Which, so one day she, she had, she uses my dumpster when she has to throw away a bunch of stuff, and that's a whole different story, but she had a box of Starbucks drinks.
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You know, like the white chocolate mochas?
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Never buy them.
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She was gonna throw them away.
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I was like,"Why?" She said,"Well, they're no good.
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They, like, I ordered them online and they sit outside all day." I said,"Okay." She said,"They're not any good.
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I'm gonna throw them away." I was like,"Set them right there." I'll take care of that." And you know, she, she does stuff like that all the time, and I'm like, h- how is it any different sitting on your front porch than riding around in a mail truck?
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Or if it is in a glass jar sealed But she's one of those people that don't know that that's really just a suggestion Huh, it almost makes me think marketing.
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So they, maybe they put the dates on there to put it in your head so you will throw it away so you'll buy more.
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Is that maybe?
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That's, that's what she did.
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Interesting.
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So psychology.
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Well, I mean, that's, that's all marketing really is.
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It is really psychology.
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The more I study it, the more I understand that.
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Mm-hmm.
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So the dates on there have nothing to do with the age of slaughter, the age that it was processed, the age that it was packaged.
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None of that matters.
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My guess is because the USDA says, it's up to the retailer to put the date on there, that it's just a,"We slapped it in this package, and so we think you should use it within this many days." Yep.
00:19:54.445 --> 00:19:56.565
Uh, basically, that's what it comes down to.
00:19:58.185 --> 00:20:01.595
this was just a piece of trivia that I thought was interesting.
00:20:01.885 --> 00:20:10.075
100 years ago, a chicken was grown out to 112 days and was only two and a half pounds.
00:20:11.595 --> 00:20:12.305
That's, like, what?
00:20:12.305 --> 00:20:14.695
The size of a game chicken, maybe?
00:20:14.695 --> 00:20:22.885
I mean, that's like a natural growing animal- that eats just food.
00:20:23.645 --> 00:20:26.815
I'm trying to think of what a two and a half pound bird looks like.
00:20:26.925 --> 00:20:28.805
like a three-week-old breast maybe.
00:20:28.805 --> 00:20:31.215
I mean, maybe four four-week old.
00:20:31.605 --> 00:20:31.885
Yeah.
00:20:32.395 --> 00:20:33.335
That's interesting.
00:20:33.675 --> 00:20:34.535
Mm-hmm.
00:20:34.545 --> 00:20:40.475
So now the industry is 47 and a half days and s- over six and a half pounds.
00:20:40.935 --> 00:20:41.265
Mm-hmm.
00:20:42.005 --> 00:21:04.905
So, and just after going through the classes, for the incubation that I did, which is all geared towards commercial products, I really got a understanding of how precise and scientific raising these broilers is.
00:21:05.295 --> 00:21:14.145
Like- Oh, yeah they have it down almost to the minute- I mean, if- what should be going on That's exactly right.
00:21:14.705 --> 00:21:20.335
And-'Cause that profit margin is what drives everything in the commercial industry.
00:21:20.765 --> 00:21:21.105
Right.
00:21:21.545 --> 00:21:32.985
And when you say that, that leads me to something else that I didn't include here, but, the processors, they know how big those chickens are gonna be.
00:21:33.045 --> 00:21:35.235
It's the six and a half pounds or so.
00:21:35.245 --> 00:21:35.865
Mm-hmm.
00:21:35.865 --> 00:21:48.725
So the hooks, the scalders, the conveyor belts, the knives, the- Spacing, everything in that processing plant is geared towards that six-and-a-half pound bird.
00:21:49.005 --> 00:21:49.655
Mm-hmm.
00:21:49.655 --> 00:21:49.805
And efficient.
00:21:49.805 --> 00:21:53.745
I mean, they It is, it's highly efficient.
00:21:54.075 --> 00:21:54.215
Yep.
00:21:54.655 --> 00:21:59.585
But I will say this, not as efficient as what they're putting in in China.
00:21:59.595 --> 00:21:59.615
Yeah.
00:22:01.485 --> 00:22:02.985
Have you seen what they're doing in China?
00:22:02.995 --> 00:22:07.165
So- I mean, in, in China they're gonna automate the whole process.
00:22:07.775 --> 00:22:15.365
Well, I did an article on the Poultry Nerds news channel on the website about what- Poultry Nerds news.
00:22:15.515 --> 00:22:16.255
I know, right?
00:22:16.635 --> 00:22:19.005
because it was so interesting when I came across it.
00:22:19.315 --> 00:22:27.875
So here in the States, you have hatcheries, and then they hatch the eggs, and then they truck the chicks to the houses.
00:22:28.035 --> 00:22:28.535
Mm-hmm.
00:22:28.815 --> 00:22:39.035
And then they raise them, and then they truck the birds to the processor, and then they truck the frozens to the retailers and, like, there's a lot of trucks.
00:22:39.035 --> 00:22:43.505
Which is, I don't understand why they do all the trucking at$5 a gallon for diesel.
00:22:43.965 --> 00:22:45.715
I don't, I don't understand that.
00:22:45.725 --> 00:22:50.105
Well-'Cause them trucks don't get, like, seven miles to the gallon.
00:22:50.835 --> 00:22:51.495
I don't know.
00:22:51.615 --> 00:22:53.125
I mean, that's above my pay grade.
00:22:53.455 --> 00:22:57.155
But in China, they're building entire systems.
00:22:57.185 --> 00:23:05.175
The hatchery, the grower, the processor, everything is, like, literally lined up on the same driveway.
00:23:05.375 --> 00:23:06.175
Same assembly line.
00:23:06.175 --> 00:23:07.095
There's no trucks.
00:23:07.655 --> 00:23:08.005
No.
00:23:09.115 --> 00:23:10.265
So it's amazing.
00:23:10.275 --> 00:23:36.565
They, they, they're gonna work, probably work it out to where they can have robots take the chicks straight out of the hatcher over to the I bet you they will put feed and water in the hatchers so they can brood them things straight from the hatcher, and then just, like, move the, the whole thing down a conveyor belt for maximum efficiency.
00:23:37.215 --> 00:23:41.365
So in Europe they have been playing with the feed and water in the hatcher.
00:23:41.365 --> 00:23:41.945
Mm-hmm.
00:23:42.005 --> 00:23:43.075
we've come across that.
00:23:43.175 --> 00:23:46.275
That always comes up in the spring, people trying to do that.
00:23:46.285 --> 00:23:46.785
Oh, yeah.
00:23:46.795 --> 00:23:53.065
they don't do it in the commercial, businesses for many reasons that we're not gonna dive into today.
00:23:53.065 --> 00:23:54.965
That's a whole podcast on itself.
00:23:55.325 --> 00:23:55.685
Yeah.
00:23:55.865 --> 00:24:01.955
But the hatching baskets are actually designed with the food and water on the outside.
00:24:01.965 --> 00:24:01.995
Mm-hmm.
00:24:02.275 --> 00:24:05.525
And then when they hatch, they fall down.
00:24:06.315 --> 00:24:08.615
Like, the eggs are in there, and then they jump.
00:24:08.695 --> 00:24:13.115
They come out, and they fall down to the basket below where the food and water is.
00:24:13.755 --> 00:24:20.225
The reason why they don't do it, the short version of the reason why they don't do it is first it's messy.
00:24:20.375 --> 00:24:29.045
Second of all, when a bird starts eating and drinking, it raises its body temperature, and it can overheat the other ones that haven't hatched yet.
00:24:29.055 --> 00:24:34.865
I was gonna say, you, you would need to Like climate control that thing like crazy Right.
00:24:35.115 --> 00:24:47.625
And then the transportation to the grow out houses causes a problem because they're already eating and drinking, and now you're stressing them by not- Taking it away feeding them for four, six, eight hours.
00:24:47.715 --> 00:24:55.255
And also their temperature in the truck, because now they can overheat because they've had food and water.
00:24:55.265 --> 00:24:55.545
Mm-hmm.
00:24:55.555 --> 00:25:03.705
So it's a whole thing, and it's not, it's not conducive to growing them.
00:25:03.805 --> 00:25:08.435
You do wanna get them food and water as quickly as you can, but not that quick.
00:25:09.085 --> 00:25:09.535
Right.
00:25:10.265 --> 00:25:11.155
There's too quick.
00:25:12.135 --> 00:25:14.885
Okay, so back to our frozen fresh chicken.
00:25:15.155 --> 00:25:18.985
So the term fresh just means it was never under 26 degrees.
00:25:19.415 --> 00:25:22.295
So that's literally like butchered and sold.
00:25:23.335 --> 00:25:28.565
Frozen has to be held below zero and can be held indefinitely.
00:25:28.855 --> 00:25:36.017
I mean, I'm sure that they don't want to, but you know, if there was only- They ain't making any money holding it Maybe.
00:25:36.247 --> 00:25:36.877
Who knows?
00:25:37.477 --> 00:25:45.367
And then if it's between zero and 25, there's no automatic federal label.
00:25:46.067 --> 00:25:50.927
So just because it says fresh doesn't mean it was slaughtered yesterday.
00:25:50.977 --> 00:25:54.027
It just means it was never below 26 degrees.
00:25:54.807 --> 00:25:55.967
That's all it means.
00:25:57.967 --> 00:26:01.057
This, this was pretty eye-opening to me when I did this.
00:26:02.047 --> 00:26:12.087
so the, the cold chain goes from the hatchery to the broiler farm to the processor to the packaging to the store and to you, which is what we just talked about.
00:26:12.577 --> 00:26:12.757
Mm-hmm.
00:26:12.777 --> 00:26:24.527
And there's no national average because the retailers determine when they want to send- I was gonna say, they- how much chicken- it's supply and demand It is.
00:26:25.187 --> 00:26:38.317
So, because they don't want to- You know, you got the 4th of July coming up and you wanna cook a whole lot of chicken on the grill, then demand goes higher, so they just take more out of the freezer.
00:26:39.067 --> 00:26:39.527
Right.
00:26:39.967 --> 00:26:41.047
And you know what?
00:26:41.057 --> 00:26:47.347
From a marketing standpoint, from, like, a retailer standpoint, I can understand the business model.
00:26:47.357 --> 00:26:54.577
Like, if you don't want to raise the temperature and put that meat into a tray if you don't think it's gonna sell.
00:26:54.577 --> 00:26:55.687
Mm-mm.
00:26:56.047 --> 00:27:01.997
You know, you only wanna put as much product out as you think is gonna sell because you don't wanna be throwing stuff away.
00:27:02.007 --> 00:27:03.837
I mean, that's just smart business.
00:27:03.907 --> 00:27:07.217
Right whether you like it or not, it's just smart business.
00:27:08.577 --> 00:27:20.247
So a broiler house, I asked, I wanted to compare a broiler house to a grain lot, and it's not a similar...
00:27:20.447 --> 00:27:24.817
It's similar, but it's, there's a, more differences than there are similarities.
00:27:24.827 --> 00:27:25.587
Mm-hmm.
00:27:25.647 --> 00:27:40.885
they're both highly managed, but the- Yeah feed conversion on a- Like a Tyson chicken is astronomically higher than- Mm-hmm on a, a cow, or a steer.
00:27:41.245 --> 00:27:55.649
So the, and then the, the environment is highly managed in a broiler house, whereas cows are like more out in the weather and- Yeah you know, exposed to the elements.
00:27:55.649 --> 00:27:56.978
They're out in the elements and all that kind of stuff.
00:27:56.978 --> 00:27:57.565
Mm-hmm.
00:27:58.225 --> 00:28:08.885
So if it's hot, if you have a heat or if you have a drought, I mean, they're still gonna get their water and their feed, but the weather is still gonna impact them.
00:28:09.155 --> 00:28:09.455
Mm-hmm.
00:28:09.455 --> 00:28:17.315
But the broiler houses are like microenvironments of, of utopia for a chicken.
00:28:17.855 --> 00:28:18.195
Yeah.
00:28:18.295 --> 00:28:18.645
You know?
00:28:18.645 --> 00:28:21.565
It's everything that it, that these broiler chickens want.
00:28:21.575 --> 00:28:23.365
Not a heritage chicken.
00:28:23.365 --> 00:28:25.735
A heritage chicken would probably not be happy in there.
00:28:25.735 --> 00:28:25.955
Mm-mm.
00:28:26.065 --> 00:28:32.235
But a broiler chicken, this is- They don't know any better yeah, this is utopia for them.
00:28:34.205 --> 00:28:35.515
Okay, so the labels.
00:28:35.555 --> 00:28:42.085
Organic means they're being fed organic feed and their outdoor access is organic.
00:28:43.135 --> 00:29:01.815
Free-range- Hole in the wall free-range just means, yeah, there's some sunlight over there and we could go out there if we really wanted to, but it's up to the farmer to divulge how much free access that they actually have.
00:29:02.895 --> 00:29:06.765
But here's the thing that nobody talks about.
00:29:07.315 --> 00:29:12.585
The Cornish don't want to leave the food and water.
00:29:12.905 --> 00:29:13.775
Mm-mm.
00:29:13.775 --> 00:29:27.545
So when I raised them, and I haven't in a couple years now, but the last time we raised them, I had 150 out there, and I had them outside and I put them in the condos and opened the doors every day.
00:29:27.785 --> 00:29:31.765
I put some in the breeder pens, and I even put some in a tractor.
00:29:32.295 --> 00:29:37.955
I tried to get them to free-range, and guess what?
00:29:38.495 --> 00:29:38.955
They didn't do it.
00:29:39.485 --> 00:29:40.535
They just laid there.
00:29:41.767 --> 00:29:47.987
They just laid by their feed and their water because that's all they wanted, and so the grass actually got matted down.
00:29:47.997 --> 00:29:48.017
Yeah.
00:29:48.337 --> 00:29:50.487
But they didn't eat any grass.
00:29:50.517 --> 00:29:51.667
There was none of that.
00:29:52.047 --> 00:30:07.827
Now, the more adventurous ones did figure out that if they heard me in the barn, they could run around to the front, to the gate, and look in and see what I was doing and when I was coming out there with the feed.
00:30:08.237 --> 00:30:08.457
Oh, yeah.
00:30:08.637 --> 00:30:10.767
They, they w- they weren't, they weren't looking for you.
00:30:10.767 --> 00:30:10.883
No.
00:30:10.883 --> 00:30:11.967
They were looking for that bag.
00:30:12.407 --> 00:30:13.097
Exactly.
00:30:13.367 --> 00:30:17.717
And the easiest way to get them to go back in at night was just to feed them.
00:30:18.287 --> 00:30:28.627
I mean, they would just cram in there and argue about the feed, and you had to kinda, you know, herding that many of them, it wasn't a matter of herding them back in.
00:30:28.637 --> 00:30:38.147
It was a matter of, okay, I only need 30 of you in each condo, so trying to manage how many went in each one was actually the hardest part.
00:30:38.447 --> 00:30:39.307
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
00:30:40.267 --> 00:30:41.547
So there- And not stepping on them.
00:30:41.897 --> 00:30:55.297
Yeah, so there was no noticeable difference in my grass other than it just being matted down, and I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'm just gonna say it.
00:30:55.567 --> 00:30:57.897
Their poop sits on top of it.
00:30:59.293 --> 00:31:01.513
It, it's just- They stank.
00:31:02.003 --> 00:31:02.603
Yeah, they do.
00:31:02.643 --> 00:31:03.543
They just stank.
00:31:03.743 --> 00:31:08.903
I don't under- there's no o- and if, until you have that smell, and you'll never forget the smell.
00:31:09.183 --> 00:31:11.643
You'll know it instantly when you smell it.
00:31:12.423 --> 00:31:23.243
You know, I, I really think that all the, all the people that love giving their kids that chicken- Mm-hmm I think they should go to one of those chicken houses.
00:31:23.673 --> 00:31:24.073
Mm-hmm.
00:31:25.493 --> 00:31:27.123
I think you should know where your food comes from.
00:31:27.763 --> 00:31:30.253
Okay, so the no hormone lab- label.
00:31:30.523 --> 00:31:31.263
Guess what?
00:31:31.403 --> 00:31:34.413
You can't give hormones to chickens in the States.
00:31:34.663 --> 00:31:34.693
Right.
00:31:34.733 --> 00:31:38.173
So that's just a marketing thing when it says- Yep no hormones.
00:31:38.863 --> 00:31:39.103
That's it.
00:31:39.103 --> 00:31:39.533
It means nothing.
00:31:41.013 --> 00:31:42.793
Okay, so air-chilled.
00:31:43.193 --> 00:31:55.843
most homesteaders, I would, I would even f- dare to say all homesteaders, we use, ice chests with ice water to cool the birds down after we're done with them.
00:31:56.193 --> 00:31:56.303
Mm-hmm.
00:31:56.333 --> 00:32:02.573
And, so that would just be ice-chilled, I guess you would call that.
00:32:02.863 --> 00:32:12.653
so now the new thing, and I didn't know this until the reporter asked me, she said,"What is air-chilled?" And I actually laughed at her and almost spit out my coffee.
00:32:12.673 --> 00:32:14.033
And I said,"Really?
00:32:14.033 --> 00:32:17.623
That's a thing?" Because, you know, I don't ever look at the chicken at the store.
00:32:18.013 --> 00:32:42.103
And, she said,"Yeah, I just started noticing it." And- Mm-hmm she said,"We tried some side by side, and we can't taste a difference." And I said,"Well, I mean, without googling and looking it up, just off the top of my head, spitballing, I would say one was thrown in ice water to cool it faster, and one was thrown in a refrigerator to cool it off." That's it.
00:32:42.423 --> 00:32:42.823
Yeah.
00:32:43.053 --> 00:32:45.673
And so that's what it When I did look it up, that's all it was.
00:32:45.923 --> 00:32:46.273
Right.
00:32:46.783 --> 00:32:53.233
I, so air-chilled would be more like if you're thinking how they hang beef- Mm-hmm and it cools it off.
00:32:53.333 --> 00:33:08.933
Which, oh, by the way, a lot of the processing houses- Are cold Mm-hmm So they can go straight from that to the other s- next part of the process and be air chilled.
00:33:09.643 --> 00:33:10.803
Oh, nice.
00:33:11.653 --> 00:33:12.103
Okay.
00:33:12.123 --> 00:33:16.813
Additional- And so natural is just minimal processing and no artificial ingredients.
00:33:17.093 --> 00:33:26.913
So when you look at your chicken, which, I mean, again, it's been a long time since I've bought any, but I have bought frozen turkeys more recently than I have bought chicken.
00:33:27.333 --> 00:33:33.133
it would say something like 18% saline solution or something like that.
00:33:33.143 --> 00:33:33.553
Mm-hmm.
00:33:33.553 --> 00:33:41.153
So what they do is they, soak'em and then they shoot'em up with saltwater to make'em heavier is exactly what it is.
00:33:41.433 --> 00:33:43.693
So, so it's got saltwater in it.
00:33:43.753 --> 00:33:46.273
Makes'em heavier, makes'em more juicy.
00:33:46.613 --> 00:33:46.933
Mm-hmm.
00:33:47.303 --> 00:33:52.503
'Cause it's not juice, but it's marketing.
00:33:53.163 --> 00:33:53.463
Yep.
00:33:53.983 --> 00:33:56.863
So then you've got your cage-free and your free-ranging.
00:33:57.193 --> 00:34:04.883
So h- here in the States, I don't think we do too much cage-ranging so much anymore.
00:34:04.883 --> 00:34:11.523
You see it more, like, in Asia, where they just have'em in what looks like quail cages but the size for chickens.
00:34:11.764 --> 00:34:12.103
Mm-hmm.
00:34:12.153 --> 00:34:13.344
and they're just laying eggs.
00:34:13.683 --> 00:34:21.014
Well, cage-free just means that they're still in the tunnels, the big chicken houses, they're just free-wandering around.
00:34:21.433 --> 00:34:21.663
Yep.
00:34:21.723 --> 00:34:29.673
And free-ranging means that they're cage-free plus a little outdoor yard.
00:34:31.143 --> 00:34:32.873
And it can be little.
00:34:33.824 --> 00:34:39.173
Yes, because- Because there is no definition of what that is.
00:34:39.433 --> 00:34:39.784
Mm-mm.
00:34:40.653 --> 00:34:59.893
And the commercial industry's all about profit, so if they make something the size of your patio available to 50,000 chickens, that's considered free-range as a upcharge.
00:35:00.273 --> 00:35:00.764
Well.
00:35:01.764 --> 00:35:06.023
Okay, so now we're into labeling.
00:35:06.023 --> 00:35:09.054
So we've got raised without antibiotics.
00:35:09.403 --> 00:35:20.303
Well, antibiotics have a withdrawal time, and they can't harvest the meat if it's not within that withdrawal time.
00:35:20.303 --> 00:35:20.893
Mm-hmm.
00:35:20.893 --> 00:35:31.983
And so they can technically sell the meat, but if you want it raised without antibiotics, then they can't ever have it.
00:35:32.583 --> 00:35:45.513
Or I have seen some in Europe where they have the dosages so low that it doesn't qualify as a dose of antibiotics.
00:35:46.643 --> 00:35:47.033
So- Yeah.
00:35:47.033 --> 00:35:56.453
It's, like if it's below, I don't remember exactly what the count is, but if it's minimal, essentially, then they don't count it.
00:35:57.203 --> 00:35:57.553
Right.
00:35:58.463 --> 00:35:59.443
And so...
00:36:00.993 --> 00:36:02.763
Actually, this is like a repeat.
00:36:03.073 --> 00:36:04.103
I'm just gonna skip that.
00:36:04.373 --> 00:36:05.513
You got somebody at the door?
00:36:06.973 --> 00:36:07.123
Yeah.
00:36:07.134 --> 00:36:10.523
Uh, Tamara came in here to fill up, sippy cups.
00:36:10.963 --> 00:36:11.453
Oh, okay.
00:36:11.473 --> 00:36:11.833
Gotcha.
00:36:12.803 --> 00:36:22.493
Okay, so all of this is just for your information, so when you go to the store, you're not bamboozled by the pretty colors and the fancy lettering.
00:36:22.513 --> 00:36:34.793
And we're not slamming any of them, we just want you to make sure you understand what those labels mean and make the decision for yourself what you want to eat.
00:36:35.583 --> 00:36:39.563
Just make sure you keep your chicken cold when you get it home.
00:36:39.573 --> 00:36:39.593
Yeah.
00:36:40.403 --> 00:36:40.893
Okay.
00:36:41.143 --> 00:36:44.543
And so we've got some terminology here.
00:36:44.593 --> 00:36:51.503
So if it says farm to table, then, you know, they're all coming from farms.
00:36:52.043 --> 00:37:01.253
Fresh just means above 26 degrees, and there really isn't any regulations for package dating.
00:37:01.343 --> 00:37:03.023
So that's up to retailers.
00:37:03.023 --> 00:37:03.123
So if I had...
00:37:03.123 --> 00:37:14.033
So I could take chicken, process it, and keep it at 26 degrees for, like, three years, and I could still legally sell it as fresh?
00:37:14.493 --> 00:37:15.753
God, that'd be slimy.
00:37:16.023 --> 00:37:22.743
Because it's nev- but it's never been over, under 25, so that's fresh by definition.
00:37:22.753 --> 00:37:32.283
So have you, we- Because there is no timeframe on it so we eat our own fresh chicken, and if you keep it too long, it gets slimy and it has an odor to it.
00:37:32.593 --> 00:37:42.243
You know, and it's like, I, okay, I, I love Diet Mountain Dew for the people that are watching, and it's got crap on the label that you can't pronounce.
00:37:42.673 --> 00:37:43.114
Mm-hmm.
00:37:43.413 --> 00:37:59.063
But since I actually started caring about that, I, I started drinking a lot less Do the do'Cause some of the stuff Hey, there's drinks that ha- there's sodas that have a whole lot worse in them, surprisingly.
00:38:00.023 --> 00:38:01.233
Yeah, I don't drink soda.
00:38:02.663 --> 00:38:16.293
Okay, so maybe we need to- Well, I get migraines when I don't maybe we need to do a podcast on the labels of eggs next Or you could just order eggs from me and eat them and know that they're fresh.
00:38:16.763 --> 00:38:19.643
I mean, breeders do sell eating eggs.
00:38:19.643 --> 00:38:19.743
Eating eggs.
00:38:19.743 --> 00:38:20.273
Mm-hmm.
00:38:20.384 --> 00:38:21.003
All the time.
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So, so- That's good for you I did get a question from somebody who wanted to order some eating eggs from me.
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Yeah, they're for pets.
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Pet food.
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But all that, all that simply means is they're unwashed and they're fresh.
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Right.
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But always ask the s- the seller, but I ship eating eggs all the time, and that's all it simply means is they're just unwashed and fresh and, but they're in my pet, my pet food storage.
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Pet food.
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Yeah, they're pet food.
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They're pet food.
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Yeah.
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It's...
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Actually, I didn't honestly think that they would sell, but they're a huge seller, so.
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I mean, I have a lady that for the longest, she ordered, she, like, she had a standing order every two weeks.
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She wanted two dozen quail eggs.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I'd send them to California.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Grocery stores, the Asian grocery stores buy them, too.
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So yeah, there's a lot of outlets for eggs that people don't, actually realize that are there.
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but they are big, quail eggs are big in the dog food world.
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Mm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the dog food.
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My dogs love them.
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Yeah.
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So I've been doing this thing where I have my toddler will, like, help me.
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Help.
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I wind up with a lot more cracked eggs at that point than I want really.
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But, you know, she enjoys it.
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But my dogs do, too, and the pigs, because I'm not gonna stick an egg that's got a crack in it, like, one you can obviously see in the incubator, so.
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how old is the chicken you bought for dinner?
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Well, to be honest with you, you have no idea because they don't have to put it on the label at all.
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Mm-mm.
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No.
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Nope Who's got chickens?
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Who's got quail?
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Who's got hatch rates off the scale?
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Welcome to The Poultry Nerds Sorry Did it?
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Yeah Hey, Carey, how's your week going?
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I mean, my week has actually kicked off to a really good week.
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I gotta say it's, it's going really good.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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Anything interesting happen?
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not really.
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Not really.
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Which- Did see- Which is why it's good week, right?
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Yes, it is.
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'Cause things can get kind of kooky around here.
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Really?
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Yeah You know what I did see?
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What?
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I did see about another egg recall.
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You know, that came up in You know, that came up in the recording we did last week with our special guest that's airing here in a couple weeks.
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He asked us if we knew about the egg recall, and like a big dodo head, I was like,"Mm-mm, don't have a clue what you're talking about" Well, I mean, when you don't buy eggs- And- and you don't watch the news, it's kind of- Well, when's the last time you bought eggs?
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Exactly June, June, the middle of June.
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Why?
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Because we were going down to the beach for a week, and I didn't wanna put eggs in my cooler to take them with me, and I did not pre-cool the refrigerator in the camper because I was not at home when the camper left to go down there.
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My wife did it.
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Gotcha.
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And so we had to buy eggs.
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I'm sorry.
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Those things are, like, white.
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Terribly white.
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They're very pale, yes.
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And then when you crack them open, it's like- pastel, pastel yellow.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I can get some flavor in them.
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She put enough salt, pepper, garlic, a little bit of tajin in there, you get flavor in anything So what, what's going on with this egg recall?
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Because you looked it up and I didn't.
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So, like- There's one in the Midwest multiple, so like this one huge conglomerate of farms sells eggs under a bunch of different labels- Okay which if people didn't realize, that actually is common.
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you know, there's not like 50 people that make tires.
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There's just a couple.
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They just put different names on them.
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Right.
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So Kroger, Simple Truth, Brookshire, Country Morning, Cow Main, Sun Up, which is not an Asian dish.
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those go back to the same supplier, and they're having to recall all those.
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I think with that one it was like 1.5 something million dozen eggs that were produced in Texas Got recalled not long before that, back, like, July, mid-late July What's wrong with these eggs?
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I mean, they're wanting to, put fear in us.
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You know, I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a certain amount of people out there that just love turmoil and control.
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Oh, wait, I w- I don't have my tinfoil hat on.
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Sorry.
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Oh.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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so, like, with the latest outbreak that I've seen, there were 98 people that got sick in 17 different states.
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26 folks went to the hospital.
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Luckily, nobody died.
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The FDA, that was their latest update.
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So yeah, like, they some, they some folks getting sick pretty bad, to the point that they've been able to link it straight back to that farm.
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So did you know, I did a article, I posted it on the Poultry Nerds website not too long ago.
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Mm-hmm.
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Did you know that Cal-Maine was the largest egg supplier in the country?
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Mm-hmm.
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Because it goes from California to Maine.
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Cal-Maine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So- ooh, there's another funny to it also.
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Oh, it's not funny.
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Okay, what is it?
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Kind of is.
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The, the, okay, the irony in it.
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Okay.
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So you know how everybody's like,"Oh, I got to have organic pasture-raised eggs and da, da, da, da, da." Well, the Kirkland brand of their signature organic pasture-raised eggs sold through a lot of the Costco stores was on the list.
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Of what?
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Recalled eggs.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah.
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So it, it's been like all kinds of stuff, which, you know, like, like what you said, it's not a problem for us.
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Mm-mm.
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So.
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Yeah.
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So all of this, and then now we've got the news that a deal is fixing to be made about importing beef, and the homesteaders on social media are all having a conniption fit about this.
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And so I did a little bit of research into it.
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With your tinfoil hat or without?
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With- without it.
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I just wanted the information, and I uncovered some stuff that I had no idea.
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Did- A little wild did you know that if meat...
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Now, I only did beef and chicken, so I can't speak to all meat, but under USDA guidelines- What else is there?
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Well, lamb and bison and stuff.
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Okay.
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Turkey.
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but anyway- That all counts.
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Some people like those beef and chicken, as long as it's at zero degrees or less- Mm-hmm they can store it indefinitely.
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Yeah.
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You didn't know that?
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They can.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, they, they meaning the- The man the man.
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I knew you'd know.
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But that, that's why the deep freeze, like, when I bought a deep freezer, I made sure that I got one that went to minus five for that particular reason because if you get one that doesn't go that cold, then you can have, well, you're more likely to have freezer burn.
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And- Okay, but you're missing my point be- so they can store it indefinitely.
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Girl.
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So they could be- Do you know how many hamburgers or how much hamburger meat the fast food industry goes through every single day?
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No.
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They can't store it indefinitely.
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Okay.
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Have you not seen the price of beef lately?
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No, I have my own.
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All-time high.
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So for producers like my son, who has the largest Beefmaster herd in southeast Alabama, or no, in the southeast region of the United States, close to the largest in the eastern, all of it, it's been an all-time high.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he's loving it because it's, it's actually to the point where a cow is worth more on the hoof than it is not Well, I sent my bull to the auction and I, got almost 100% of my money back, and I got three calves out of him.
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Right.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know,'cause I asked him, I was like,"Son, why?" I was like,"Why do you pay him his overtime rate to haul cattle out to Texas from here?" I mean, you know, he's in Central Alabama, too.
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And he goes,"Daddy, let me tell you.
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Hang on a minute." I said,"Okay." And then he sends me a Snapchat, and I look at it, I'm like,"What is this?" He said,"That's how much I made off the last time I paid him to drive out to Texas." So there's paying more for'em in Texas?
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More for'em in Texas on the hoof walking through the sale barn than on this side of the country, frozen or on the hoof.
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Wow.
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And he had- Why, why is it higher in Texas?
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Everything's bigger in Texas.
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You know, he had a 26-foot gooseneck trailer that, 26 foot is like the ideal.
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You know, a lot of people, and Bree could probably attest to this, when they set their driveway back or their gate back, that, that length is typically done with a 26-foot because that's the most common.
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but he just bought, it's either a th- I want to say it's a 34 foot.
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So two trailers could go back and forth at a time Wow Beef is at a all-time high right now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So- I did know that.
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But anyway, so this- That ain't a tinfoil hat moment.
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No.
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The- And, like, people are going nuts over people bringing in foreign beef, but the fact of the matter is the same people are the ones that created that problem.
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Because if you do the research on how many pounds of ground beef the fast food industry goes through every day, it's astronomical.
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Which there's also the, the amount of beef that they go through And then if you know a little bit about math, you can calculate that times the actual number of patties that they sell, and when I did the research on the beef thing- Mm-hmm it looks like they're just bringing in lean trimmings, because the beef in the States is all feedlot.
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A lot of it.
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And it has a high fat content.
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And- For the, the commercial industry it is, yeah Yeah.
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And so they use these lean trimmings in order to make the 90/10 that everybody wants to eat at store.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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And, That's real common with it.
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Yeah, and then- And they also use it for, like when you buy commercial lard, that, that's where they get, which is kind of sad that they're importing a lot of fat.
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Mm-hmm.
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But that's- Well- that's where a lot of it come from and then the amount sounds impressive that they're bringing in, which still hasn't been signed as of the date of recording here.
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Mm-hmm.
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But the amount is only, like, seven and a half days worth of American consumption.
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Yeah.
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You know, they just have 90 days to bring it in.
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I mean, we're tearing beef up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we need...
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Which, I mean, I get it.
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I love good steak.
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It's good.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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But- Yep, we eat a lot of it, but we have our own here.
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that led to another discussion, about grass-fed or grain lot, and somebody said, you know, you couldn't tell the difference.
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Well, I beg to differ, because we only eat grass-finished- I was gonna say, if- and you can tell the difference if it is true old-school definition grass-fed, yes.
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Like mine?
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Like, yes.
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But the way they twist stuff to make it to where the labels can say what they want them to say, and they can sell them for the higher prices, that's like,"Oh, these are cage-free chicken eggs." No, homie, the barn that those chickens live in every single day has a hole in the side of it, and because it's possible that they making, they can go out there if they actually want to, then- That's cage-free Well, that's gonna lead us into today's podcast topic.
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But before we get there, for everybody who wanted to raise their own chickens- Yeah I have been busy updating the incubation masterclass for chickens.
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And look, with the incubation masterclass for chickens, you can literally get on eBay And order you a$30 incubator and get on preferably one of our websites and order some hatching eggs.
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Mm-hmm.
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And 21 days later, you're gonna have some chickens.
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That's right, and have your own eggs and not have to worry about recalls.
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Yeah.
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And beef prices.
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Yeah.
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So.
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So check out the new masterclass, and we have also, da-da, drum roll.
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So it helps kinda everybody.
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Yeah, because, you know, if your customers have never done it before- Mm-hmm and they're buying expensive hatching eggs- Mm-hmm and putting them in a$29 incubator- you know, we can, we can help'em get great results if they will actually print out the resources that are provided on there and, you know, follow instructions.
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So, check that out at incubationmasterclass.com.
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All right, so that leads us into today's topic, which is the chicken at the store.
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How old is it, and what do all those labels mean?
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Oh.
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And- I have not ate supper yet.
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You're fixing to kill it because I was gonna have chicken.
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Well, I have to tell you, we got fried chicken today.
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Mm.
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But you know what prompted all of this?
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I got a phone call from a reporter at the NBC Today Show who wanted to interview me on how all of this works in the whole scheme of things with chicken.
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And after talking to her, and of course, she lives in the city, I realized that people do not understand what the labels mean- Mm-mm which is the whole premise of their topic and the story that they're putting together.
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And I thought, you know what?
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If it's good enough for the Today Show, it's good enough for the Poultry Nerds podcast.
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That's right.
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That is right.
00:17:08.807 --> 00:17:14.718
So all the questions that she asked me, I put together for this podcast, and here we go.
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So how old is the chicken you bought for dinner?
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Well, to be honest with you, you have no idea because they don't have to put it on the label at all.
00:17:25.048 --> 00:17:25.347
Mm-mm.
00:17:25.798 --> 00:17:26.208
No.
00:17:26.218 --> 00:17:26.248
Nope.
00:17:26.557 --> 00:17:37.887
So the label, the dates that you see on the label, that's just a suggested use it by, but it, it honestly doesn't mean anything.
00:17:38.738 --> 00:17:40.077
I had no idea.
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I thought that was a whole thing.
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So one of the...
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Let's see.
00:17:47.867 --> 00:17:54.587
This girl that's still around my family was in a relationship with one of our previous foster kids.
00:17:54.847 --> 00:17:55.277
Mm-hmm.
00:17:55.667 --> 00:17:57.217
And she is die hard.
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If it is beyond the sell by date or use by date, it needs to go in the trash.
00:18:04.227 --> 00:18:16.567
Which, so one day she, she had, she uses my dumpster when she has to throw away a bunch of stuff, and that's a whole different story, but she had a box of Starbucks drinks.
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You know, like the white chocolate mochas?
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Never buy them.
00:18:21.157 --> 00:18:22.087
She was gonna throw them away.
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I was like,"Why?" She said,"Well, they're no good.
00:18:28.117 --> 00:18:38.187
They, like, I ordered them online and they sit outside all day." I said,"Okay." She said,"They're not any good.
00:18:38.187 --> 00:18:53.557
I'm gonna throw them away." I was like,"Set them right there." I'll take care of that." And you know, she, she does stuff like that all the time, and I'm like, h- how is it any different sitting on your front porch than riding around in a mail truck?
00:18:55.407 --> 00:19:08.875
Or if it is in a glass jar sealed But she's one of those people that don't know that that's really just a suggestion Huh, it almost makes me think marketing.
00:19:09.165 --> 00:19:16.685
So they, maybe they put the dates on there to put it in your head so you will throw it away so you'll buy more.
00:19:17.055 --> 00:19:17.775
Is that maybe?
00:19:17.775 --> 00:19:18.735
That's, that's what she did.
00:19:20.205 --> 00:19:21.025
Interesting.
00:19:21.175 --> 00:19:22.285
So psychology.
00:19:22.875 --> 00:19:25.745
Well, I mean, that's, that's all marketing really is.
00:19:25.925 --> 00:19:26.775
It is really psychology.
00:19:27.025 --> 00:19:30.145
The more I study it, the more I understand that.
00:19:30.485 --> 00:19:30.515
Mm-hmm.
00:19:30.525 --> 00:19:37.715
So the dates on there have nothing to do with the age of slaughter, the age that it was processed, the age that it was packaged.
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None of that matters.
00:19:40.225 --> 00:19:54.285
My guess is because the USDA says, it's up to the retailer to put the date on there, that it's just a,"We slapped it in this package, and so we think you should use it within this many days." Yep.
00:19:54.445 --> 00:19:56.565
Uh, basically, that's what it comes down to.
00:19:58.185 --> 00:20:01.595
this was just a piece of trivia that I thought was interesting.
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100 years ago, a chicken was grown out to 112 days and was only two and a half pounds.
00:20:11.595 --> 00:20:12.305
That's, like, what?
00:20:12.305 --> 00:20:14.695
The size of a game chicken, maybe?
00:20:14.695 --> 00:20:22.885
I mean, that's like a natural growing animal- that eats just food.
00:20:23.645 --> 00:20:26.815
I'm trying to think of what a two and a half pound bird looks like.
00:20:26.925 --> 00:20:28.805
like a three-week-old breast maybe.
00:20:28.805 --> 00:20:31.215
I mean, maybe four four-week old.
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Yeah.
00:20:32.395 --> 00:20:33.335
That's interesting.
00:20:33.675 --> 00:20:34.535
Mm-hmm.
00:20:34.545 --> 00:20:40.475
So now the industry is 47 and a half days and s- over six and a half pounds.
00:20:40.935 --> 00:20:41.265
Mm-hmm.
00:20:42.005 --> 00:21:04.905
So, and just after going through the classes, for the incubation that I did, which is all geared towards commercial products, I really got a understanding of how precise and scientific raising these broilers is.
00:21:05.295 --> 00:21:14.145
Like- Oh, yeah they have it down almost to the minute- I mean, if- what should be going on That's exactly right.
00:21:14.705 --> 00:21:20.335
And-'Cause that profit margin is what drives everything in the commercial industry.
00:21:20.765 --> 00:21:21.105
Right.
00:21:21.545 --> 00:21:32.985
And when you say that, that leads me to something else that I didn't include here, but, the processors, they know how big those chickens are gonna be.
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It's the six and a half pounds or so.
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Mm-hmm.
00:21:35.865 --> 00:21:48.725
So the hooks, the scalders, the conveyor belts, the knives, the- Spacing, everything in that processing plant is geared towards that six-and-a-half pound bird.
00:21:49.005 --> 00:21:49.655
Mm-hmm.
00:21:49.655 --> 00:21:49.805
And efficient.
00:21:49.805 --> 00:21:53.745
I mean, they It is, it's highly efficient.
00:21:54.075 --> 00:21:54.215
Yep.
00:21:54.655 --> 00:21:59.585
But I will say this, not as efficient as what they're putting in in China.
00:21:59.595 --> 00:21:59.615
Yeah.
00:22:01.485 --> 00:22:02.985
Have you seen what they're doing in China?
00:22:02.995 --> 00:22:07.165
So- I mean, in, in China they're gonna automate the whole process.
00:22:07.775 --> 00:22:15.365
Well, I did an article on the Poultry Nerds news channel on the website about what- Poultry Nerds news.
00:22:15.515 --> 00:22:16.255
I know, right?
00:22:16.635 --> 00:22:19.005
because it was so interesting when I came across it.
00:22:19.315 --> 00:22:27.875
So here in the States, you have hatcheries, and then they hatch the eggs, and then they truck the chicks to the houses.
00:22:28.035 --> 00:22:28.535
Mm-hmm.
00:22:28.815 --> 00:22:39.035
And then they raise them, and then they truck the birds to the processor, and then they truck the frozens to the retailers and, like, there's a lot of trucks.
00:22:39.035 --> 00:22:43.505
Which is, I don't understand why they do all the trucking at$5 a gallon for diesel.
00:22:43.965 --> 00:22:45.715
I don't, I don't understand that.
00:22:45.725 --> 00:22:50.105
Well-'Cause them trucks don't get, like, seven miles to the gallon.
00:22:50.835 --> 00:22:51.495
I don't know.
00:22:51.615 --> 00:22:53.125
I mean, that's above my pay grade.
00:22:53.455 --> 00:22:57.155
But in China, they're building entire systems.
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The hatchery, the grower, the processor, everything is, like, literally lined up on the same driveway.
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Same assembly line.
00:23:06.175 --> 00:23:07.095
There's no trucks.
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No.
00:23:09.115 --> 00:23:10.265
So it's amazing.
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They, they, they're gonna work, probably work it out to where they can have robots take the chicks straight out of the hatcher over to the I bet you they will put feed and water in the hatchers so they can brood them things straight from the hatcher, and then just, like, move the, the whole thing down a conveyor belt for maximum efficiency.
00:23:37.215 --> 00:23:41.365
So in Europe they have been playing with the feed and water in the hatcher.
00:23:41.365 --> 00:23:41.945
Mm-hmm.
00:23:42.005 --> 00:23:43.075
we've come across that.
00:23:43.175 --> 00:23:46.275
That always comes up in the spring, people trying to do that.
00:23:46.285 --> 00:23:46.785
Oh, yeah.
00:23:46.795 --> 00:23:53.065
they don't do it in the commercial, businesses for many reasons that we're not gonna dive into today.
00:23:53.065 --> 00:23:54.965
That's a whole podcast on itself.
00:23:55.325 --> 00:23:55.685
Yeah.
00:23:55.865 --> 00:24:01.955
But the hatching baskets are actually designed with the food and water on the outside.
00:24:01.965 --> 00:24:01.995
Mm-hmm.
00:24:02.275 --> 00:24:05.525
And then when they hatch, they fall down.
00:24:06.315 --> 00:24:08.615
Like, the eggs are in there, and then they jump.
00:24:08.695 --> 00:24:13.115
They come out, and they fall down to the basket below where the food and water is.
00:24:13.755 --> 00:24:20.225
The reason why they don't do it, the short version of the reason why they don't do it is first it's messy.
00:24:20.375 --> 00:24:29.045
Second of all, when a bird starts eating and drinking, it raises its body temperature, and it can overheat the other ones that haven't hatched yet.
00:24:29.055 --> 00:24:34.865
I was gonna say, you, you would need to Like climate control that thing like crazy Right.
00:24:35.115 --> 00:24:47.625
And then the transportation to the grow out houses causes a problem because they're already eating and drinking, and now you're stressing them by not- Taking it away feeding them for four, six, eight hours.
00:24:47.715 --> 00:24:55.255
And also their temperature in the truck, because now they can overheat because they've had food and water.
00:24:55.265 --> 00:24:55.545
Mm-hmm.
00:24:55.555 --> 00:25:03.705
So it's a whole thing, and it's not, it's not conducive to growing them.
00:25:03.805 --> 00:25:08.435
You do wanna get them food and water as quickly as you can, but not that quick.
00:25:09.085 --> 00:25:09.535
Right.
00:25:10.265 --> 00:25:11.155
There's too quick.
00:25:12.135 --> 00:25:14.885
Okay, so back to our frozen fresh chicken.
00:25:15.155 --> 00:25:18.985
So the term fresh just means it was never under 26 degrees.
00:25:19.415 --> 00:25:22.295
So that's literally like butchered and sold.
00:25:23.335 --> 00:25:28.565
Frozen has to be held below zero and can be held indefinitely.
00:25:28.855 --> 00:25:36.017
I mean, I'm sure that they don't want to, but you know, if there was only- They ain't making any money holding it Maybe.
00:25:36.247 --> 00:25:36.877
Who knows?
00:25:37.477 --> 00:25:45.367
And then if it's between zero and 25, there's no automatic federal label.
00:25:46.067 --> 00:25:50.927
So just because it says fresh doesn't mean it was slaughtered yesterday.
00:25:50.977 --> 00:25:54.027
It just means it was never below 26 degrees.
00:25:54.807 --> 00:25:55.967
That's all it means.
00:25:57.967 --> 00:26:01.057
This, this was pretty eye-opening to me when I did this.
00:26:02.047 --> 00:26:12.087
so the, the cold chain goes from the hatchery to the broiler farm to the processor to the packaging to the store and to you, which is what we just talked about.
00:26:12.577 --> 00:26:12.757
Mm-hmm.
00:26:12.777 --> 00:26:24.527
And there's no national average because the retailers determine when they want to send- I was gonna say, they- how much chicken- it's supply and demand It is.
00:26:25.187 --> 00:26:38.317
So, because they don't want to- You know, you got the 4th of July coming up and you wanna cook a whole lot of chicken on the grill, then demand goes higher, so they just take more out of the freezer.
00:26:39.067 --> 00:26:39.527
Right.
00:26:39.967 --> 00:26:41.047
And you know what?
00:26:41.057 --> 00:26:47.347
From a marketing standpoint, from, like, a retailer standpoint, I can understand the business model.
00:26:47.357 --> 00:26:54.577
Like, if you don't want to raise the temperature and put that meat into a tray if you don't think it's gonna sell.
00:26:54.577 --> 00:26:55.687
Mm-mm.
00:26:56.047 --> 00:27:01.997
You know, you only wanna put as much product out as you think is gonna sell because you don't wanna be throwing stuff away.
00:27:02.007 --> 00:27:03.837
I mean, that's just smart business.
00:27:03.907 --> 00:27:07.217
Right whether you like it or not, it's just smart business.
00:27:08.577 --> 00:27:20.247
So a broiler house, I asked, I wanted to compare a broiler house to a grain lot, and it's not a similar...
00:27:20.447 --> 00:27:24.817
It's similar, but it's, there's a, more differences than there are similarities.
00:27:24.827 --> 00:27:25.587
Mm-hmm.
00:27:25.647 --> 00:27:40.885
they're both highly managed, but the- Yeah feed conversion on a- Like a Tyson chicken is astronomically higher than- Mm-hmm on a, a cow, or a steer.
00:27:41.245 --> 00:27:55.649
So the, and then the, the environment is highly managed in a broiler house, whereas cows are like more out in the weather and- Yeah you know, exposed to the elements.
00:27:55.649 --> 00:27:56.978
They're out in the elements and all that kind of stuff.
00:27:56.978 --> 00:27:57.565
Mm-hmm.
00:27:58.225 --> 00:28:08.885
So if it's hot, if you have a heat or if you have a drought, I mean, they're still gonna get their water and their feed, but the weather is still gonna impact them.
00:28:09.155 --> 00:28:09.455
Mm-hmm.
00:28:09.455 --> 00:28:17.315
But the broiler houses are like microenvironments of, of utopia for a chicken.
00:28:17.855 --> 00:28:18.195
Yeah.
00:28:18.295 --> 00:28:18.645
You know?
00:28:18.645 --> 00:28:21.565
It's everything that it, that these broiler chickens want.
00:28:21.575 --> 00:28:23.365
Not a heritage chicken.
00:28:23.365 --> 00:28:25.735
A heritage chicken would probably not be happy in there.
00:28:25.735 --> 00:28:25.955
Mm-mm.
00:28:26.065 --> 00:28:32.235
But a broiler chicken, this is- They don't know any better yeah, this is utopia for them.
00:28:34.205 --> 00:28:35.515
Okay, so the labels.
00:28:35.555 --> 00:28:42.085
Organic means they're being fed organic feed and their outdoor access is organic.
00:28:43.135 --> 00:29:01.815
Free-range- Hole in the wall free-range just means, yeah, there's some sunlight over there and we could go out there if we really wanted to, but it's up to the farmer to divulge how much free access that they actually have.
00:29:02.895 --> 00:29:06.765
But here's the thing that nobody talks about.
00:29:07.315 --> 00:29:12.585
The Cornish don't want to leave the food and water.
00:29:12.905 --> 00:29:13.775
Mm-mm.
00:29:13.775 --> 00:29:27.545
So when I raised them, and I haven't in a couple years now, but the last time we raised them, I had 150 out there, and I had them outside and I put them in the condos and opened the doors every day.
00:29:27.785 --> 00:29:31.765
I put some in the breeder pens, and I even put some in a tractor.
00:29:32.295 --> 00:29:37.955
I tried to get them to free-range, and guess what?
00:29:38.495 --> 00:29:38.955
They didn't do it.
00:29:39.485 --> 00:29:40.535
They just laid there.
00:29:41.767 --> 00:29:47.987
They just laid by their feed and their water because that's all they wanted, and so the grass actually got matted down.
00:29:47.997 --> 00:29:48.017
Yeah.
00:29:48.337 --> 00:29:50.487
But they didn't eat any grass.
00:29:50.517 --> 00:29:51.667
There was none of that.
00:29:52.047 --> 00:30:07.827
Now, the more adventurous ones did figure out that if they heard me in the barn, they could run around to the front, to the gate, and look in and see what I was doing and when I was coming out there with the feed.
00:30:08.237 --> 00:30:08.457
Oh, yeah.
00:30:08.637 --> 00:30:10.767
They, they w- they weren't, they weren't looking for you.
00:30:10.767 --> 00:30:10.883
No.
00:30:10.883 --> 00:30:11.967
They were looking for that bag.
00:30:12.407 --> 00:30:13.097
Exactly.
00:30:13.367 --> 00:30:17.717
And the easiest way to get them to go back in at night was just to feed them.
00:30:18.287 --> 00:30:28.627
I mean, they would just cram in there and argue about the feed, and you had to kinda, you know, herding that many of them, it wasn't a matter of herding them back in.
00:30:28.637 --> 00:30:38.147
It was a matter of, okay, I only need 30 of you in each condo, so trying to manage how many went in each one was actually the hardest part.
00:30:38.447 --> 00:30:39.307
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
00:30:40.267 --> 00:30:41.547
So there- And not stepping on them.
00:30:41.897 --> 00:30:55.297
Yeah, so there was no noticeable difference in my grass other than it just being matted down, and I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'm just gonna say it.
00:30:55.567 --> 00:30:57.897
Their poop sits on top of it.
00:30:59.293 --> 00:31:01.513
It, it's just- They stank.
00:31:02.003 --> 00:31:02.603
Yeah, they do.
00:31:02.643 --> 00:31:03.543
They just stank.
00:31:03.743 --> 00:31:08.903
I don't under- there's no o- and if, until you have that smell, and you'll never forget the smell.
00:31:09.183 --> 00:31:11.643
You'll know it instantly when you smell it.
00:31:12.423 --> 00:31:23.243
You know, I, I really think that all the, all the people that love giving their kids that chicken- Mm-hmm I think they should go to one of those chicken houses.
00:31:23.673 --> 00:31:24.073
Mm-hmm.
00:31:25.493 --> 00:31:27.123
I think you should know where your food comes from.
00:31:27.763 --> 00:31:30.253
Okay, so the no hormone lab- label.
00:31:30.523 --> 00:31:31.263
Guess what?
00:31:31.403 --> 00:31:34.413
You can't give hormones to chickens in the States.
00:31:34.663 --> 00:31:34.693
Right.
00:31:34.733 --> 00:31:38.173
So that's just a marketing thing when it says- Yep no hormones.
00:31:38.863 --> 00:31:39.103
That's it.
00:31:39.103 --> 00:31:39.533
It means nothing.
00:31:41.013 --> 00:31:42.793
Okay, so air-chilled.
00:31:43.193 --> 00:31:55.843
most homesteaders, I would, I would even f- dare to say all homesteaders, we use, ice chests with ice water to cool the birds down after we're done with them.
00:31:56.193 --> 00:31:56.303
Mm-hmm.
00:31:56.333 --> 00:32:02.573
And, so that would just be ice-chilled, I guess you would call that.
00:32:02.863 --> 00:32:12.653
so now the new thing, and I didn't know this until the reporter asked me, she said,"What is air-chilled?" And I actually laughed at her and almost spit out my coffee.
00:32:12.673 --> 00:32:14.033
And I said,"Really?
00:32:14.033 --> 00:32:17.623
That's a thing?" Because, you know, I don't ever look at the chicken at the store.
00:32:18.013 --> 00:32:42.103
And, she said,"Yeah, I just started noticing it." And- Mm-hmm she said,"We tried some side by side, and we can't taste a difference." And I said,"Well, I mean, without googling and looking it up, just off the top of my head, spitballing, I would say one was thrown in ice water to cool it faster, and one was thrown in a refrigerator to cool it off." That's it.
00:32:42.423 --> 00:32:42.823
Yeah.
00:32:43.053 --> 00:32:45.673
And so that's what it When I did look it up, that's all it was.
00:32:45.923 --> 00:32:46.273
Right.
00:32:46.783 --> 00:32:53.233
I, so air-chilled would be more like if you're thinking how they hang beef- Mm-hmm and it cools it off.
00:32:53.333 --> 00:33:08.933
Which, oh, by the way, a lot of the processing houses- Are cold Mm-hmm So they can go straight from that to the other s- next part of the process and be air chilled.
00:33:09.643 --> 00:33:10.803
Oh, nice.
00:33:11.653 --> 00:33:12.103
Okay.
00:33:12.123 --> 00:33:16.813
Additional- And so natural is just minimal processing and no artificial ingredients.
00:33:17.093 --> 00:33:26.913
So when you look at your chicken, which, I mean, again, it's been a long time since I've bought any, but I have bought frozen turkeys more recently than I have bought chicken.
00:33:27.333 --> 00:33:33.133
it would say something like 18% saline solution or something like that.
00:33:33.143 --> 00:33:33.553
Mm-hmm.
00:33:33.553 --> 00:33:41.153
So what they do is they, soak'em and then they shoot'em up with saltwater to make'em heavier is exactly what it is.
00:33:41.433 --> 00:33:43.693
So, so it's got saltwater in it.
00:33:43.753 --> 00:33:46.273
Makes'em heavier, makes'em more juicy.
00:33:46.613 --> 00:33:46.933
Mm-hmm.
00:33:47.303 --> 00:33:52.503
'Cause it's not juice, but it's marketing.
00:33:53.163 --> 00:33:53.463
Yep.
00:33:53.983 --> 00:33:56.863
So then you've got your cage-free and your free-ranging.
00:33:57.193 --> 00:34:04.883
So h- here in the States, I don't think we do too much cage-ranging so much anymore.
00:34:04.883 --> 00:34:11.523
You see it more, like, in Asia, where they just have'em in what looks like quail cages but the size for chickens.
00:34:11.764 --> 00:34:12.103
Mm-hmm.
00:34:12.153 --> 00:34:13.344
and they're just laying eggs.
00:34:13.683 --> 00:34:21.014
Well, cage-free just means that they're still in the tunnels, the big chicken houses, they're just free-wandering around.
00:34:21.433 --> 00:34:21.663
Yep.
00:34:21.723 --> 00:34:29.673
And free-ranging means that they're cage-free plus a little outdoor yard.
00:34:31.143 --> 00:34:32.873
And it can be little.
00:34:33.824 --> 00:34:39.173
Yes, because- Because there is no definition of what that is.
00:34:39.433 --> 00:34:39.784
Mm-mm.
00:34:40.653 --> 00:34:59.893
And the commercial industry's all about profit, so if they make something the size of your patio available to 50,000 chickens, that's considered free-range as a upcharge.
00:35:00.273 --> 00:35:00.764
Well.
00:35:01.764 --> 00:35:06.023
Okay, so now we're into labeling.
00:35:06.023 --> 00:35:09.054
So we've got raised without antibiotics.
00:35:09.403 --> 00:35:20.303
Well, antibiotics have a withdrawal time, and they can't harvest the meat if it's not within that withdrawal time.
00:35:20.303 --> 00:35:20.893
Mm-hmm.
00:35:20.893 --> 00:35:31.983
And so they can technically sell the meat, but if you want it raised without antibiotics, then they can't ever have it.
00:35:32.583 --> 00:35:45.513
Or I have seen some in Europe where they have the dosages so low that it doesn't qualify as a dose of antibiotics.
00:35:46.643 --> 00:35:47.033
So- Yeah.
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It's, like if it's below, I don't remember exactly what the count is, but if it's minimal, essentially, then they don't count it.
00:35:57.203 --> 00:35:57.553
Right.
00:35:58.463 --> 00:35:59.443
And so...
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Actually, this is like a repeat.
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I'm just gonna skip that.
00:36:04.373 --> 00:36:05.513
You got somebody at the door?
00:36:06.973 --> 00:36:07.123
Yeah.
00:36:07.134 --> 00:36:10.523
Uh, Tamara came in here to fill up, sippy cups.
00:36:10.963 --> 00:36:11.453
Oh, okay.
00:36:11.473 --> 00:36:11.833
Gotcha.
00:36:12.803 --> 00:36:22.493
Okay, so all of this is just for your information, so when you go to the store, you're not bamboozled by the pretty colors and the fancy lettering.
00:36:22.513 --> 00:36:34.793
And we're not slamming any of them, we just want you to make sure you understand what those labels mean and make the decision for yourself what you want to eat.
00:36:35.583 --> 00:36:39.563
Just make sure you keep your chicken cold when you get it home.
00:36:39.573 --> 00:36:39.593
Yeah.
00:36:40.403 --> 00:36:40.893
Okay.
00:36:41.143 --> 00:36:44.543
And so we've got some terminology here.
00:36:44.593 --> 00:36:51.503
So if it says farm to table, then, you know, they're all coming from farms.
00:36:52.043 --> 00:37:01.253
Fresh just means above 26 degrees, and there really isn't any regulations for package dating.
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So that's up to retailers.
00:37:03.023 --> 00:37:03.123
So if I had...
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So I could take chicken, process it, and keep it at 26 degrees for, like, three years, and I could still legally sell it as fresh?
00:37:14.493 --> 00:37:15.753
God, that'd be slimy.
00:37:16.023 --> 00:37:22.743
Because it's nev- but it's never been over, under 25, so that's fresh by definition.
00:37:22.753 --> 00:37:32.283
So have you, we- Because there is no timeframe on it so we eat our own fresh chicken, and if you keep it too long, it gets slimy and it has an odor to it.
00:37:32.593 --> 00:37:42.243
You know, and it's like, I, okay, I, I love Diet Mountain Dew for the people that are watching, and it's got crap on the label that you can't pronounce.
00:37:42.673 --> 00:37:43.114
Mm-hmm.
00:37:43.413 --> 00:37:59.063
But since I actually started caring about that, I, I started drinking a lot less Do the do'Cause some of the stuff Hey, there's drinks that ha- there's sodas that have a whole lot worse in them, surprisingly.
00:38:00.023 --> 00:38:01.233
Yeah, I don't drink soda.
00:38:02.663 --> 00:38:16.293
Okay, so maybe we need to- Well, I get migraines when I don't maybe we need to do a podcast on the labels of eggs next Or you could just order eggs from me and eat them and know that they're fresh.
00:38:16.763 --> 00:38:19.643
I mean, breeders do sell eating eggs.
00:38:19.643 --> 00:38:19.743
Eating eggs.
00:38:19.743 --> 00:38:20.273
Mm-hmm.
00:38:20.384 --> 00:38:21.003
All the time.
00:38:21.413 --> 00:38:27.223
So, so- That's good for you I did get a question from somebody who wanted to order some eating eggs from me.
00:38:27.323 --> 00:38:28.493
Yeah, they're for pets.
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Pet food.
00:38:29.368 --> 00:38:32.723
But all that, all that simply means is they're unwashed and they're fresh.
00:38:32.733 --> 00:38:32.763
Right.
00:38:32.923 --> 00:38:47.573
But always ask the s- the seller, but I ship eating eggs all the time, and that's all it simply means is they're just unwashed and fresh and, but they're in my pet, my pet food storage.
00:38:47.573 --> 00:38:47.593
Pet food.
00:38:47.593 --> 00:38:49.033
Yeah, they're pet food.
00:38:49.703 --> 00:38:50.663
They're pet food.
00:38:50.673 --> 00:38:51.053
Yeah.
00:38:51.183 --> 00:38:51.563
It's...
00:38:51.703 --> 00:38:58.993
Actually, I didn't honestly think that they would sell, but they're a huge seller, so.
00:38:59.634 --> 00:39:05.323
I mean, I have a lady that for the longest, she ordered, she, like, she had a standing order every two weeks.
00:39:05.333 --> 00:39:06.884
She wanted two dozen quail eggs.
00:39:07.993 --> 00:39:08.473
Mm-hmm.
00:39:08.864 --> 00:39:10.453
And I'd send them to California.
00:39:11.253 --> 00:39:11.543
Yeah.
00:39:11.803 --> 00:39:12.063
Yeah.
00:39:12.063 --> 00:39:14.563
Grocery stores, the Asian grocery stores buy them, too.
00:39:15.103 --> 00:39:21.283
So yeah, there's a lot of outlets for eggs that people don't, actually realize that are there.
00:39:21.653 --> 00:39:25.953
but they are big, quail eggs are big in the dog food world.
00:39:26.713 --> 00:39:26.873
Mm.
00:39:27.173 --> 00:39:27.573
Yeah.
00:39:28.853 --> 00:39:29.143
Yeah, the dog food.
00:39:29.143 --> 00:39:29.963
My dogs love them.
00:39:30.373 --> 00:39:30.793
Yeah.
00:39:31.373 --> 00:39:35.273
So I've been doing this thing where I have my toddler will, like, help me.
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Help.
00:39:38.703 --> 00:39:44.533
I wind up with a lot more cracked eggs at that point than I want really.
00:39:45.003 --> 00:39:46.503
But, you know, she enjoys it.
00:39:48.463 --> 00:39:58.513
But my dogs do, too, and the pigs, because I'm not gonna stick an egg that's got a crack in it, like, one you can obviously see in the incubator, so.
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