S02 EP15: Gabby Logan

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Hello, I'm Josh Whitacombe.
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And I'm Rob Beckett.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob
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and I discuss what it's like to be a parent
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during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky.
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Yeah! Yeah!
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So, in an effort to make some kind of sense
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of the current situation... And to.
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Make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills.
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Each episode, we'll be chatting to a famous parent about
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how well they're coping.
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Or hopefully not.
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And we will be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tales of lockdown parenting woe.
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Because, let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello,
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and you are listening to Lockdown Parenting Hell with.
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One second, Rob.
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Sorry, Josh, I was too eager for you. I'm a
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bit calmer than I was on Tuesday today.
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That's good.
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Calm down a bit.
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A bit more zen.
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A bit more zen.
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Sometimes I just feel so alive, Josh, and there's not
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enough time or enough words to express that. So I
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scream into a pillow.
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That's good. That's the main thing, that you've got an outlet.
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Yeah.
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Ready?
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Yeah. Can you say Rob Beckett's?
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What's that? And can you say Josh Widdicombe? Josh Widdicombe.
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There you go.
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Strong delivery there.
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That is two and a half year old Flory Knight.
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Flory's a nice name. Flory Knight. Saying something that vaguely
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resembles your name. I thought it was quite good. We're
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living in Portugal and away from family. Your podcasts keep
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us going and laughing our heads off. We love you guys.
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We hope Flory can introduce one of your podcasts. She has.
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Yeah.
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Flory Knight sounds like the name of someone associated with
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the craze. Flory Knight turned out of a shooter.
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How are you, Rob?
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Yeah, good. We're sort of getting into our rhythm a bit.
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We've schooled.
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The house is slowly getting cleaner and tidier. The big
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piles of admin are getting sorted out. We're slowly getting
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our life back, Josh. How's it going in Casa del Widacombe?
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Good, good, fine. Do you know what? I think we
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should just get into the emails, Rob.
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It's the Lockdown Parenting Mailbag. But it's actually emails and
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there's no bag.
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Do you want some World Cup emails?
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Yes.
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So this is about dealing with a newborn and a
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huge international sporting tournament.
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Yes. Hi, Rob and Josh. I had an absolute result.
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This is from Kane Harmon. Had an absolute result with
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my now two-year-old boy. He was born on the 3rd
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of July, 2018. Specifically, he was born during the first
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minute of penalties against England v. Colombia.
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Oh, that was the greatest summer of my life. And mine.
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Love Island was peak Love Island.
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That's not the reason it was mine, but yes.
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It was great. You had the football and then straight
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into Love Island. It was the best.
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Oh, my God, I loved it.
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Sorry, Josh.
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They've had a baby.
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In the first minute of the penalties, England v. Colombia.
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While I missed the penalties, my wife had insisted on
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watching the game during the labour.
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Take your mind off it, I suppose.
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Exactly.
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Exactly. Unfortunately, our stream was slower than the person down
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the hall in maternity ward.
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Oh, no.
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So we knew Harry Kane was about to score.
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Oh, that's good and bad, isn't it? I remember we
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used to watch in the World Cups when the back
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windows are open and back doors are open. And if
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someone's watching it on analogue and someone's watching it on Sky,
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analogue always got it first.
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Well, I'd watched England v Argentina in the 2002 World
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Cup in our student bar. One of the TVs was
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faster than the other one. So we were behind... the
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other half of the bar.
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It takes away all the anticipation.
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What did she say?
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How did it affect her birth?
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Oh, this is from the dad.
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Oh, right.
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He said about the slower stream. He said, but then,
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the reason he's emailed is, I then had a whole
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month of paternity leave. I watched every game while feeding, changing,
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and lulling our newborn to sleep.
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That's what I'm saying, Josh, that you're going to watch
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so much and you just have to learn to take
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shifts when the games are on.
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Wow.
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Yes, I agree.
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Can I suggest something? Have you got an iPad?
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Yeah, I've got an iPad.
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Right, here's what you're going to do. You want to
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get a buggy that's got a flat bit so you
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can put the iPad on the buggy and then you
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can sync it up to your phone and use that
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as a hotspot and then you can stream the game
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because it's normally all on free-to-view, isn't it?
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ITV or BBC.
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Watch it on the iPad and push the kid around
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the park and then when the baby just sleeps, sit
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on a bench with the iPad in front of you.
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Yes, please. And Bluetooth headphones.
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Thank you very much. I've made your summer. Josh, can
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I send you this? We've had two things come in.
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This is quite Josh Widdicombe heavy. Take me back to
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the salty Josh Widdicombe days, but no one's come in
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with any more salt recently.
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Well, it's because I haven't been out, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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The bloke at the tip will hate you though, Corey
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turned up, didn't book in, thinking he's all the big
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and been running red lights.
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Who does he think he is? And this is Jess Appleton.
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I'm really resenting the glee with which Josh chucked in
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Plymouth 143 yesterday on Tuesday's episode. I'm married to the
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manager of the team they beat and fuck me.
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What?
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Sunday was a tough day on the conversation.
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No way. Who did you beat?
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I can't even remember who we beat.
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Oh, this is going to go down badly with Jess Appleton.
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You can't even remember that you beat her husband's team.
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Oh, well, if she's called Jess Appleton, then the manager's
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Michael Appleton, isn't it?
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Yeah, so who does he manage?
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We beat Lincoln 4-3. He's doing fine. Lincoln are doing
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very well. They're second in the league.
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Well, he doesn't like losing, though, because she said Sunday
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was a tough day on the conversation front. Luckily, we
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have a TV in five-month-old to fill the silence.
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Oh, my word.
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So that really hit home to a listener. Now, this, Josh,
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I'm going to send this to you. It's a doll
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that's for sale.
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So.
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Hi, Rob and Josh.
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Loving the podcast.
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Listening from Dublin, usually when I get out for a
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run to escape my husband and six-year-old son. It's my
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son's birthday in April, so I've been browsing the Smiths
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website for a present for him. Came across this Josh lookalike.
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I feel it's a striking resemblance. All the best with
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the new baby, Josh. He could took out like this
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little guy.
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Absolutely fucking amazing. That is so good.
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That is exactly you and the exact same hair, but
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I've never seen you in shorts. Are you a shorts guy?
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Not unless I'm on holiday. Actually, well, obviously exercising I
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wear shorts.
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No, but like leisure in the summer UK.
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Well, I would. Yeah, I will, but I never feel
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totally comfortable in the.
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Why not?
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I've got very pale legs, Rob.
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Yeah, but you shouldn't worry about that. Everyone else, we're British.
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Of course we're going to be weird if they're brown.
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I bet you my legs are paler than yours.
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What would you be more insecure about? Absolutely bronzed Adonis
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legs and nothing else. Everything else pale.
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What do you mean nothing else? How dare you?
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That's the only thing that's brown.
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You feel self-conscious that they're pale, but it'd be weirder
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if they were perfectly bronze.
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It would. It would.
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I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
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Have you ever been to Thailand?
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I haven't been to Thailand. Have you?
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Yeah. It's so hot, mate.
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Too hot for polo shirts.
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So do you enjoy a flip-flop?
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I used to love a flip-flop. Now I'm a slider guy.
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You're a slider guy.
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I wear sliders on holiday. I wouldn't wear sliders out
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and about, but I used to wear flip-flops and espadrilles
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out and about a lot. We spoke about my dog
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shit espadrille experience, didn't we?
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Yeah, we did. I've not really worn them since that.
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But what I've learned is when you have kids, you
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have to have a sturdy bit of footwear because you.
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Don't know where you're going to end up in a day.
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Yes.
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You know what I mean? When you're young with no kids,
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you can just go to the pub with flip-flops on.
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They haven't got a care in the world. But when
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there's a kid involved, they tread on them. You roll
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over your foot with the wheel of the pushchair. You've
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got to go with a hardy foot, hardy shoe.
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Yeah, fair enough.
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Hi, Rob and Josh. I've heard lots of people writing
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in about their kids early rising and wanted to share
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a hack we stumbled across recently with our almost two-year-old.
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She tends to wake around 6, 6.15, so not too bad,
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but not ideal for a weekend, mum and dad lying.
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Ever since she was a baby, we've used a Bluetooth
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speaker to play white noise into her room, and a
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few weeks ago, she got massively into the Gruffalo. I
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decided to try playing the audio book through the speaker,
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and when she woke up and started to call for us,
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it worked like a charm. Now, she'll happily sit in
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her cot for another half an hour, 45 minutes, listening
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to a story while we reconcile ourselves to getting up.
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Not sure how it would work with kids who are
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not in a cot anymore, but wanted to pass on
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anyone's little early rises. This is from Rachel. It's a
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great idea because they start to get a bit annoyed.
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They go, oh, the Gruffalo, and just listen to an
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audio book. And that's sort of educational, isn't it?
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Yeah, that is really, you know, we've got one of
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those things that plays the audio books. But when we
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got it, we played it and then she'd go to
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sleep and that got her into a waking up in
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the night situation. So we had to stop using it.
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Well, have you got that box that you put an
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actual figure of an animal on, like an actual Gruffalo
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figure and it plays the Gruffalo?
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No, it's kind of what, I.
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Think it's called YOLO. It's good. It's really good because
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it does the, you know, the old sun and the
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moon thing as well. It's got that.
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Oh, that one. Now we've got a thing called a Tony.
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Is it called a Tony?
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I don't know.
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Tony, that's what they're called, right? It's a box, yeah,
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and it's a speaker, but you can control it from
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your phone, but they get little figures, so like little
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like mini figures of things, whether they're like, a pepper
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pit Gruffalo pepper pig whatever and as you put it
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on it plays an episode of the Gruffalo plays and
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episodes you can get like Aladdin Lion King all sorts
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of different stories and characters and you can also get
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ones where you can record messages to them and read
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them a book yourself so if you're away at work
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you could record it and send it to like Bluetooth
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but they're really good and they can control them as
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well then so you could give them a little figure
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in the morning but I think the key there is
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they're still in the cot it's such a game changer
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the cot keep them in the cot for as long
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as possible.
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Well, you say that, Ellis James' sleep problems, his child's
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sleep problems, were completely solved by the move to the bed.
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Really? Yeah.
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So you remember when we spoke to him and it
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was all going badly? I mean, badly's an understatement. They
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moved him to the bed straight onto the 7.30 wake-ups.
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I think really it's just a game of luck. I
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think that's the thing. You can send yourself mad with science,
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but it's only a game of luck, isn't it? but
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you can try. It makes yourself feel better that you've
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got a plan.
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Anyone that's got a surefire tip on a child, it's
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not surefire.
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Well, we're going to find out with your new child
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and the nose stroke technique to get him to sleep.
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Oh, can't wait to bring back the nose stroke. Didn't
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work the first time. Can it work the second time?
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Josh, I've got a question, and a lot of the
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podcast listeners have got the same question.
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Yes.
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Has Rose sent the two-year-old Christmas presents to.
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Her cousins in Nottingham? No, she hasn't sent the two-year-old
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Christmas presents at all.
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For people that aren't aware of what we're doing, Josh,
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and they're new to it, Rose has presents for her
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cousins she hasn't sent from two years ago.
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Is that right?
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Two years ago. Christmas 2018.
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Yes, and you've basically put the threat out that as
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every week goes by, if she hasn't sent them, we
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will open one of the presents.
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So we opened Christmas. david's tiny karaoke microphone last week have.
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You had presents from them at christmas yeah oh.
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Yeah they've we've still been receiving their presents.
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Oh my god this is even worse so they are
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still sending you christmas presents but you still haven't sent
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any since 2018 and now we're opening them yeah poor
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david this.
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Is david's mum uh lindsey.
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Lindsey so this is rose's auntie.
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Rose's auntie oh do you know what rob It's a
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solid gift.
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Oh, what is it? What's Lindsay got?
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It's only a reusable coffee cup.
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Aren't all coffee cups reusable?
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No, like one that you take to the coffee shop
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with the lid.
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All right, I thought you meant like a mug. You've
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been just launching crockery in the bin.
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I'm like Jay-Z, mate. My mug's a box fresh.
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I've got 99 mugs and reusing my name.
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I give up.
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I panic.
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You're fine. You're fine. We knew where we're going.
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Believe that, believe that, Michael.
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Believe my panic joke.
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Yeah, so it's a reusable. Oh, is it Bluetooth?
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Is it heated?
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Or is it just a classic?
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No, it's a classic. It's Sol is the brand. It's
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a nice brand. It's a glass reusable coffee cup.
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Oh, glass is dangerous.
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Glass is dangerous.
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It's going to crack in your bag and that's never
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going to get through the postal system to Nottingham.
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But you're right, Rob. It did never get through the
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post system to Nottingham.
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That's not a bad present, actually. No. That's not too bad,
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is it?
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So you've got the, I think we should play a
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new game where what you do is you leave the present,
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once we've opened them all, we leave them all out
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on your wall at the front of your house to see.
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What goes first.
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What goes first?
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Oh, we could have a sweepstake on it. Then we
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could set up a live stream.
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That's what we should do.
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Josh, we should put.
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Them out the front of your house, right? And then
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set up through your window by the front door, an
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iPad live streaming on Instagram and then.
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Leave it running for like all day and see what
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goes first. That'd be a fun thing to do, wouldn't it?
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That would be fun.
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Am I an influencer?
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That'd be fun i think we should do that with
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them all at the end all right i'll put them
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in a pile yeah lovely okay i've got no idea
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where the microphone is but i'll find it are you
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tempted to use any of the stuff like the microphone
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or the mug.
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Well the mug is genuinely useful obviously the microphone is
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a complete piece of.
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Shit how many presents we got left out of interest
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four or five oh my god how many cousins has
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she got.
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So she's got probably four or five cousins and then
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the parents all.
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Right okay so there's a lot of not in them
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crew a lot of not in them crew.
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I'm not going to lie, Rob, this is going to
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get us through to the reopening of the pubs, content-wise.
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Oh, perfect!
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I've got a good email here, Josh, we can finish
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on before we introduce the Gabby of Logan. Rebecca Fennell
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has said, Hey, Josh and Rob, your stories of kids
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mispronouncing things reminded me of one of my son's tennis
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lessons when he was five. His tennis coach was called Jemima.
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And on one occasion, when I dropped him off, I
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heard kids from the previous lesson say goodbye. I nearly
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died laughing when I heard not one little voice, but
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two in succession as they were twin girls. Bye bye vagina.
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Instead of Jemima.
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And also around age three, four, my son could not
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pronounce treat. And after dinner would always ask for his tits.
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My son just turned 18 in lockdown, so hang in there, guys.
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They do eventually grow up.
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Love the podcast.
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Been isolating alone through lockdown, so you've generally kept me laughing.
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Thank you. Much love.
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Bex.
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Wow.
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Thank you, Bex. I mean, as soon as you said Jemima,
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I was going through the roller decks.
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I won't lie.
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I had the right answer before it came up, Rob.
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Yeah, you was on V before I finished Jemima.
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Yeah. Do you know what I thought the other day?
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We never say, this is how you get in touch,
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and please leave us iTunes reviews. So please do leave
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us five-star iTunes reviews.
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It does help.
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The amount that Peter Crouch has got is fucking inhumane.
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I love how petty you get about stuff like that.
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You love it. You love comparing and contrasting.
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I can't believe it. But we should say the email address.
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Oh, yeah. Go on.
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Is it hello at lockdownparenting.com?
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I'll be honest with you, mate. I've got no idea.
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No, but people do get in touch. I think it's
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in the description. It's in the description.
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It's like the dark web they find out our email.
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I don't even know what it is.
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Either that or Michael's writing all these, in which case
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he's a hell of an imagination.
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Who cares? If it gets us the numbers up, it
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gets the numbers up. This has got a nice ending
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because previously we spoke about when my wife had to
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go into hospital for a week or so and talking
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to children about their parents being unwell. And the best
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way to do it, this one's from Sarah Hoddy. This
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may be a little long, but it's got a happy
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ending and would help answer how to tell children mummy
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or daddy is ill. When I was five and my
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sister was one, my dad was diagnosed with pelvic cancer. Obviously,
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at this age, I wasn't quite sure what was going on.
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But within a month of my dad being diagnosed, he
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had to have his leg and half of his pelvis removed.
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Jeez.
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He was in hospital for a long time. And my
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mum told me, my sister, that he had gone on
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a long holiday. When he came back, he had no limb.
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So my parents thought it would be a good idea
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to tell us that he had wrestled a shark and
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won a competition, but lost his leg in the battle.
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At this age, five and one.
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Oh, wow.
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So, you know, it's hard to try to explain that
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pelvic cancer to a five-year-old. I mean, so... Anyway, they've
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told him, they've told them that he went and had
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a fight with a shark and he won but lost
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his leg.
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When I got to primary school, I was so proud
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that my dad wrestled a shark that I told everyone
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in my class. This inadvertently caused a lot of the
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other kids to become scared of the sea, to which...
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To which point my parents told me what really happened.
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And he had a horrible disease so that the children
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wouldn't be scared of the sea anymore.
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Oh, my God.
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And this is a nice. And Sarah says, my dad
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has been cancer free for 22 years and rocks my world.
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Oh, that's nice.
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Nice, nice story. But yeah, the old shark fight.
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But he did lose his other leg to a shark,
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which was a terrible.
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Terrible turn of events.
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Terrible turn of events. He lost his other leg to
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a shark.
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Should we introduce Gabby Logan? This was a fun interview, this.
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I love Gabby Logan. And also, what's interesting about these
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is you don't know what direction they're going to go in.
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No.
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I didn't realise we'd just spend so long talking about
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her just having a very tall son.
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We spent a lot of time on that, didn't we?
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It was a great episode, though. Great episode.
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Enjoy it and rate and review and email us. And also,
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if someone could email us and tell us what our
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email address is, that'd be great.
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Yeah, that'd be brilliant. Drop it into the emails. What's
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our email address?
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Uh, Gabby Logan. Hello.
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I mean, we've started, we've kind of started. Um, how
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are you?
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Um, actually, I know you're not supposed to say this.
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I'm all right.
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You're all right. Good.
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I'm okay. I'm quite good. I've had a good start
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to the week. Everything seems to be, I shouldn't, I'm
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tempting fate now, aren't I?
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Yeah, but you've got, you've got an athlete's mentality though,
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haven't you? That's the thing you've got. I'd say, I'd
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say I've always, I'll say this just before we started
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interviewing you because, you know, using the Commonwealth Games and stuff, you,
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you're like, you've got athlete's mentality, but to broadcasting. And
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you're just so efficient, so good at it, and just
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so switched on. Because we've bumped into each other quite
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a lot at different corporate hosting events. And you're like
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a broadcast machine.
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You're just on it. It's so impressive. Meanwhile, Beckett's pacing
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up and down backstage. You know, bloody hell, what am
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I going to do? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like.
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The last corporate we did was probably the last corporate
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I did with people because that was like mid-February last year.
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Yes, it was.
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I think it was some sort of company conference you
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were hosting.
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Yeah, they just booked me again for next year. Have
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they booked you? I'm joking.
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No, they haven't. They haven't booked you.
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No, they haven't booked me again.
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Yeah, but I think they have a different comedian every time.
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Oh, OK. Well, why don't they have a different host
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every time? Surely.
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It's been ten years, that gig, right?
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Oh, stop rubbing it in! It's all right for you, Rob.
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I've never fucking done it, mate.
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LAUGHTER You might be doing it next year, Josh, right?
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I might be doing it next year.
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We've had McIntyre.
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We've had Bishop.
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We've had the whole, you know, the whole gamut.
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Yeah, so if they cut the budget, you might get
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a call next year, Josh. Anyway, Gabby, let's have a
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chat about your setup at home with kids. What's the
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kids' setup?
501
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So, the setup is I've got twins who are 15.
502
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They'll be 16 in the summer. So, they're in the
503
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year of no GCSEs. That was a big night in
504
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our house when Boris slipped that into it.
505
00:19:09.950 --> 00:19:12.200
Oh, no wonder you're all right. They've got no GCSEs
506
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.839
and they're self-sufficient. So, how does it work?
507
00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:16.880
Well, they have got GCSEs, but they've still not been
508
00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:18.920
told what is going on. So, they just have to
509
00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.700
keep working really hard. They had to actually– they were
510
00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.019
both due to sit– at the beginning of January, their
511
00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:27.480
maths GCSE early, just something idiosyncratic that both their schools do.
512
00:19:27.509 --> 00:19:29.289
They're at separate schools, a girl's school and a boy's school.
513
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And so they managed to sit those, even though we'd
514
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locked down. So they have had the experience of going
515
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into an exam hall, sitting in GCSE. According to what
516
00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:40.009
we've heard, there's no GCSEs, but there's going to be
517
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some kind of assessment going on. So everything they do,
518
00:19:43.349 --> 00:19:45.309
they're trying to do, obviously, the best they've ever done,
519
00:19:45.329 --> 00:19:47.430
because they think this might count now. So it's brilliant,
520
00:19:47.509 --> 00:19:49.900
because they're literally they go online at about half eight
521
00:19:50.539 --> 00:19:54.180
emerge for food sometime around 12 30 and then go
522
00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.500
back on to about four and then they're like zombies
523
00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.599
because they're just on screens all day so um so
524
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i mean i do feel for them because it is
525
00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.950
hard being on the screen all day and also hard
526
00:20:04.990 --> 00:20:06.950
learning like that you know because it's not it's not
527
00:20:06.990 --> 00:20:09.509
the best way is it to be learning of But
528
00:20:09.710 --> 00:20:12.329
at least they know, you know, they're focused. I think
529
00:20:12.390 --> 00:20:15.069
two years ago, if they were 13, I'd have no chance.
530
00:20:15.109 --> 00:20:15.569
You know what I mean?
531
00:20:15.589 --> 00:20:16.910
There'd be an Xbox on the floor.
532
00:20:16.930 --> 00:20:19.289
There'd be, you know, kind of one ear would have
533
00:20:19.589 --> 00:20:21.230
the school on, the other ear would probably have some
534
00:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.390
music or their mates on. Now they're a bit more
535
00:20:23.430 --> 00:20:25.829
serious about things. So in the world of top.
536
00:20:25.609 --> 00:20:26.470
Trump, I was going to say in the world of
537
00:20:26.529 --> 00:20:29.470
top Trumps of parenting in lockdown, because people always say, oh,
538
00:20:29.509 --> 00:20:32.390
it's difficult like this or that. I'd say, would you
539
00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:35.670
say that having two that are doing GSCCs that have
540
00:20:35.690 --> 00:20:39.039
been cancelled, It's probably, it's a pretty cushy gig as
541
00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:41.279
parenting in lockdown goes.
542
00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.599
I have to, oh yeah, it is.
543
00:20:43.819 --> 00:20:48.160
I mean, I can't, I can't, I'm trying to dress
544
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.549
it up, but you know, the stress, it's very stressful.
545
00:20:53.069 --> 00:20:55.930
It is because, obviously, the GCSEs were going to be
546
00:20:55.970 --> 00:20:57.369
a big stress this summer, weren't they?
547
00:20:57.390 --> 00:20:58.849
Having two kids doing GCSEs at.
548
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The same time, I was thinking, for two years, I've
549
00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.980
been thinking, oh, my God. And then last summer, of course,
550
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.759
when all the big sporting events got knocked back to
551
00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.660
this year, I was then, oh, my God, I'm not
552
00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:07.859
even going to be at home when they do their
553
00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:10.630
GCSEs because they're managing to slot in all these. Now,
554
00:21:11.069 --> 00:21:13.630
they're probably going to cancel this summer's sporting events. Yeah.
555
00:21:13.970 --> 00:21:16.329
I'm going to be home. And they've got no GCSEs.
556
00:21:16.809 --> 00:21:19.289
The worst part of it is for teenagers that they
557
00:21:19.329 --> 00:21:22.190
have no social life, you know. So you are their everything.
558
00:21:22.349 --> 00:21:25.079
And obviously, some days that's a good thing. And other days,
559
00:21:25.339 --> 00:21:27.390
you're the worst person that's ever walked on the planet,
560
00:21:27.450 --> 00:21:31.000
you know. So your ego takes a big bashing kind
561
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of on an almost daily basis.
562
00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:35.099
If you have to change your way you relate to
563
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them in a way, have you had to offer a
564
00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:38.160
more matey vibe?
565
00:21:38.380 --> 00:21:42.480
I've noticed my son calling me things like chief and mate.
566
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Which is not good.
567
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Okay.
568
00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:54.390
And so that he's, I mean, he's just, he's quite
569
00:21:54.569 --> 00:21:55.369
a character anyway.
570
00:21:55.430 --> 00:21:57.029
So considering they're twins, they.
571
00:21:56.950 --> 00:21:58.809
Could not be more polar opposite, right? So they are
572
00:21:58.930 --> 00:22:01.369
an absolute, you know, kind of human experiment.
573
00:22:01.769 --> 00:22:05.430
He is 6'5. He eats almost 90. Already?
574
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Yeah.
575
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How old is he?
576
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15.
577
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And he's 6'5?
578
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6'5, yeah.
579
00:22:09.700 --> 00:22:11.519
And so that takes a lot of fuel, right?
580
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God! I'd be terrified if he called me chief.
581
00:22:15.579 --> 00:22:18.380
How tall can he, Gabby?
582
00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.529
He's just over 6'5. I mean, he used to say
583
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6'1 in the programs when he played rugby. I was always, yeah,
584
00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:28.930
6'6 mate. And so Ruben's friends all think he's an
585
00:22:28.970 --> 00:22:33.069
experiment that we did. They call him the human sporting
586
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experiment that we kind of tried to create a new
587
00:22:34.849 --> 00:22:38.259
bracket or something. And so he's really big and eats
588
00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:40.119
a lot. That's the biggest challenge with him is keeping
589
00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:41.819
him fueled, you know, because he's... Take.
590
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Me through his food for a day.
591
00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:48.759
Normally you'd ask this if someone had a one-year-old, but
592
00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:50.339
could you just take me through his meals?
593
00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:52.109
Right, when they're little, you want them to eat all
594
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the time, don't you? You go, come on, eat your food,
595
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eat your food. Now I'm going, surely you don't.
596
00:22:55.910 --> 00:22:59.329
Need a steak at nine o'clock. LAUGHTER That fillet of
597
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beef's gone.
598
00:23:00.049 --> 00:23:04.009
I only bought it yesterday. Breakfast could be genuinely anything
599
00:23:04.089 --> 00:23:08.470
from tuna and noodles to a steak to eight shredded wheat.
600
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I'm going to say it could be anything like that.
601
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Then there's a mid-morning.
602
00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:15.559
There's always some kind of smoothie being blended, about 11,
603
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maybe a tuna wrap. And then lunchtime, he will have
604
00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:21.640
anything from the whole bags of fresh pasta. you'll kind
605
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.559
of have one of those with some chicken breasts or
606
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.329
chicken Kiev or something or some vegetables then there's a
607
00:23:26.349 --> 00:23:29.410
mid-afternoon snack before he goes in the gym and then
608
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and then there's the evening meal which he you know
609
00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:33.509
deems to eat with the rest of us um and
610
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then and then late before bed another meal is made
611
00:23:36.869 --> 00:23:39.009
and created and I said to him the other night
612
00:23:39.029 --> 00:23:40.710
when he was making his pre-bed meal I was like
613
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do you have to have this one and he said
614
00:23:42.650 --> 00:23:44.240
mum I wake up at three in the morning and
615
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I've got like cramps I'm so hungry if I don't
616
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.259
eat now so I just can't relate to it. Because
617
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I'm like 47. My metabolism's almost stopped.
618
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You know what I mean?
619
00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:56.680
I'm just like, oh, oh, a Malteser. That'll see me
620
00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:01.109
till tea time. But he's just hungry and obviously doing
621
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.710
a lot of activity. So that is the hardest part.
622
00:24:03.769 --> 00:24:05.750
The first lockdown, I found that the biggest challenge, that
623
00:24:05.769 --> 00:24:07.730
they didn't just want a snack. I'll have like an
624
00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:09.930
avocado on a piece of rice cake for lunch.
625
00:24:10.450 --> 00:24:11.650
But the first lockdown.
626
00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:13.029
I was like, oh, my God, I'm making so many
627
00:24:13.089 --> 00:24:13.890
meals all the time.
628
00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:16.480
But this lockdown, I've stepped back from the cooking.
629
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.720
And how much exercise is he doing a day?
630
00:24:20.059 --> 00:24:23.099
Normally he does loads right so he's he's playing sport
631
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.779
he's playing he's a rugby player and he's playing rugby
632
00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:26.720
he's got to do his own training now obviously so
633
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.190
he's um he'll go out and he'll shoot some hoops
634
00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:31.450
for about an hour and then he'll go for an
635
00:24:31.470 --> 00:24:34.430
hour um and he'll go for a walk you know
636
00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:36.150
so he's really good at getting out actually you know
637
00:24:36.170 --> 00:24:38.329
and kind of you know doing the maximum in terms
638
00:24:38.349 --> 00:24:40.109
of what he's allowed to do socially you know so
639
00:24:40.230 --> 00:24:42.210
he'll he'll go and meet a mate for a bike
640
00:24:42.269 --> 00:24:44.920
ride or something and you know so he is normally
641
00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:46.359
very very active.
642
00:24:46.299 --> 00:24:48.940
It must be quite difficult for people who are 15
643
00:24:48.940 --> 00:24:51.980
or into sport and stuff now, because that's really been
644
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.180
taken away, right?
645
00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:57.069
Yeah. Do you know what I noticed? It's the testosterone,
646
00:24:57.109 --> 00:24:59.009
isn't it? You know, it's that kind of release of
647
00:24:59.130 --> 00:25:00.849
kind of getting out. You're used to going around and
648
00:25:00.930 --> 00:25:03.990
bashing into people. and all that kind of stuff. So
649
00:25:04.589 --> 00:25:07.329
he was much more mild-mannered when he was playing lots
650
00:25:07.390 --> 00:25:10.529
of sport. And then there's the peaks and troughs. You
651
00:25:10.549 --> 00:25:11.950
don't know which one you're going to get, which one's
652
00:25:11.970 --> 00:25:12.950
going to come down the stairs.
653
00:25:12.970 --> 00:25:13.880
Because you need an outlet.
654
00:25:14.299 --> 00:25:17.920
Yeah, you do. And Kenny's beyond wrestling with him. Those
655
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:18.440
days are gone.
656
00:25:18.460 --> 00:25:24.490
LAUGHTER What age did he overtake, Kenny? Height-wise?
657
00:25:24.869 --> 00:25:25.170
Yeah.
658
00:25:25.410 --> 00:25:26.589
About 12, I think.
659
00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.210
Wow. But physical-wise, there's still a bit of a, you know,
660
00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:31.690
there was still a bit of a match in the summer,
661
00:25:32.069 --> 00:25:32.609
but that's gone.
662
00:25:32.630 --> 00:25:33.730
Oh, really?
663
00:25:33.750 --> 00:25:34.150
Yeah.
664
00:25:34.210 --> 00:25:36.230
Has Kenny accepted that, though? Does he know?
665
00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:38.509
Yeah, I mean, you know when the bareback kind of
666
00:25:38.569 --> 00:25:42.230
just bows out and walks backwards into the bushes in Uganda?
667
00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:44.920
It's that kind of... The silverback, sorry, not the bareback.
668
00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:46.539
The bareback's having... Wow, okay.
669
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:57.420
Such an exciting lockdown here. They're still back, sorry. But
670
00:25:57.460 --> 00:25:59.900
my daughters, so they're twins, obviously.
671
00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:04.630
She's three foot.
672
00:26:04.650 --> 00:26:06.930
You know which one got all the food in the womb.
673
00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:09.009
The person that got dominated by women.
674
00:26:10.589 --> 00:26:12.529
She's actually five nine she's taller than me so i
675
00:26:12.589 --> 00:26:14.950
am the i'm the smallest in the family but um
676
00:26:15.029 --> 00:26:18.089
but she's really lucky because where we live she horse
677
00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:20.109
she's she's a horse rider she does show jumping so
678
00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:23.099
she she competes normally all the time she's got she's
679
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.099
got her we allowed her to bring well you didn't
680
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.240
allow it's much better actually to have them here she
681
00:26:27.259 --> 00:26:29.240
started to bring her horses home in the summer into
682
00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:34.039
the house Well, she actually only had one. She had
683
00:26:34.099 --> 00:26:36.720
one horse. Suddenly we got four. When I allowed her
684
00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:38.299
to bring one home, she went, it needs a friend.
685
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:38.759
Right.
686
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.920
So she picked up this like really cheap little kind of,
687
00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:44.690
you know, almost like the steptoe and son of the
688
00:26:44.710 --> 00:26:46.450
pony world. You know, it arrived kind of like looking
689
00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:48.730
bedraggled and she's going to turn into a champion apparently.
690
00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:50.769
And then she's got a foal, which is a project.
691
00:26:50.809 --> 00:26:53.069
And then she's got a Shetland. So she just morning,
692
00:26:53.109 --> 00:26:55.150
noon and night in between her lessons, she's outside.
693
00:26:55.250 --> 00:26:58.380
It becomes totally addictive. My parents had one horse when
694
00:26:58.390 --> 00:27:00.039
we moved to Devon. At one point, they got up
695
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.079
to 12 when.
696
00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:02.259
I was a kid. Oh, my God.
697
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.660
Because they knew you had to come in the house.
698
00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:05.900
Because the thing is, from my point of view, someone
699
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:07.720
having a horse, like, because I grew up in South
700
00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:11.200
East London, like, you know, having horses, I always think
701
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:12.630
of it as sort of like, you know, like, as
702
00:27:12.650 --> 00:27:15.470
sort of the super rich person type of thing. But, Josh,
703
00:27:15.490 --> 00:27:17.789
you're not, like, from money, as it were, but because of, like,
704
00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:19.650
if you are in the countryside, is it just cheaper
705
00:27:19.670 --> 00:27:21.230
to have land and to have horses?
706
00:27:21.289 --> 00:27:21.759
Is it like a.
707
00:27:22.029 --> 00:27:24.880
Yeah, so in Devon, like loads of people had horses.
708
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:25.740
Okay.
709
00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:27.880
Like when we used to live in London, I took
710
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:29.400
her to Richmond Park when she was three and she
711
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.140
did a pony trek.
712
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:30.890
That was the worst thing I.
713
00:27:30.869 --> 00:27:33.029
Ever did, right? Because from that day, that was.
714
00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:33.769
All she wanted to do.
715
00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:37.099
We moved out into the countryside about seven years later
716
00:27:37.150 --> 00:27:38.839
and that was when she really got into it. But
717
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:39.480
I'm from Leeds.
718
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:40.019
I'm from a city.
719
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.339
I didn't ride horses, right? So Claire Balding, who I
720
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.200
work with, obviously, is my horsey connection. I know nothing
721
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.039
about horses. So Claire, the other day, because I said
722
00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:51.539
to her, look, have you got any old kind of
723
00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:53.559
horses that can come be a friend for this horse, right?
724
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.299
So she loves a challenge like that. So within seconds,
725
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:57.859
there was a horse being lined up to.
726
00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:00.019
Come over here to be a friend.
727
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.880
So I said to her, how did this happen? I've
728
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.099
gone from one to four. She said, you're upper middle
729
00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:05.240
class now. Yeah.
730
00:28:06.579 --> 00:28:08.460
I said, no, I.
731
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.259
Said, no, I said, Claire, I'm still that working class
732
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.200
girl from Leeds. I'm not, you know, this is because
733
00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:13.960
you're right. The horsey world is really weird. You can
734
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:15.740
have like, we go to shows where you've got people
735
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.220
with these 200 grand horse lorries, right.
736
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.279
And a fleet of horses.
737
00:28:19.539 --> 00:28:21.359
And then you've got somebody that looks like they've just
738
00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:23.480
nicked the van from down the road. The horse gets
739
00:28:23.529 --> 00:28:25.200
off and kind of, you know, and it's like held
740
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.130
together with sellotape on its bridle. It's a completely, just
741
00:28:28.230 --> 00:28:30.230
totally democratic in the sense of you, you don't know
742
00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:30.869
what you're going to get.
743
00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:32.069
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think when
744
00:28:32.089 --> 00:28:34.349
you're from a city, you just assume all people with
745
00:28:34.369 --> 00:28:36.549
horses are really rich, but it's a kind of a
746
00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:37.289
countryside thing.
747
00:28:37.309 --> 00:28:39.089
If you've got the space, you can have them, and
748
00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:42.750
it's like anything. You can have an expensive horse box
749
00:28:42.910 --> 00:28:45.069
or an old van. I once saw a horse being
750
00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:46.650
put in the back of a transit van near me
751
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.500
to be moved somewhere. I didn't think it would go.
752
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.059
But it didn't seem bad. Obviously, that is bad, isn't it?
753
00:28:52.059 --> 00:28:53.519
It's sort of animal cruelty to a point. But at
754
00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:55.480
the time, it just felt like, oh, that's quite impressive,
755
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.539
like getting a piano in there.
756
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:57.299
Do you know what I mean?
757
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:02.460
Exactly. Sometimes you see bands at horse shows and you think,
758
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:03.940
I'm sure that used to be an ice cream van.
759
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.670
Do you find it scary watching her do the show jump?
760
00:29:08.710 --> 00:29:10.109
Is it show jumping you said she does? Do you
761
00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:10.809
find it scary?
762
00:29:10.849 --> 00:29:13.470
Between the pair of them, her jumping over like 1m20
763
00:29:13.509 --> 00:29:17.410
jumps and him smashing into people in rugby, I suppose
764
00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:18.910
I should be on the edge of my seat kind
765
00:29:18.950 --> 00:29:21.720
of feeling. I kind of trust what they're doing.
766
00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:25.259
That they know what they need. They're OK. And I
767
00:29:25.299 --> 00:29:26.359
don't think you could enjoy it.
768
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.079
And I have to say, one of the great enjoyments
769
00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.319
in my life is going to watch my kids do sport,
770
00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:34.410
because when you're doing your sport as a living, you know,
771
00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:35.950
like when you go and watch sport like I do
772
00:29:36.009 --> 00:29:38.490
to kind of talk about it, it's not the same.
773
00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:39.930
You know, you're kind of doing it as a job.
774
00:29:40.009 --> 00:29:42.390
When I go watch them, it's pure enjoyment for me.
775
00:29:42.529 --> 00:29:44.809
So competitive on the sidelines. So do you want them
776
00:29:44.829 --> 00:29:46.670
to win or do you control it?
777
00:29:46.950 --> 00:29:49.299
Well, when Lois Lois qualified for the nationals last year,
778
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.200
and all you can hear in the background of Kenny
779
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.940
videoing her around when she, she did brilliantly.
780
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.160
And then the middle fence of three came down and
781
00:29:56.180 --> 00:29:56.440
I went.
782
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:57.180
Shit, shit, shit.
783
00:30:02.829 --> 00:30:05.029
And it's just silence apart from me swearing.
784
00:30:04.769 --> 00:30:07.069
In the background.
785
00:30:07.089 --> 00:30:10.269
And with Ruben, I'm like, I try not to. And
786
00:30:10.289 --> 00:30:11.849
then I just got, you know, I just get a
787
00:30:11.869 --> 00:30:14.289
bit excited sometimes, you know, like I get, because it does,
788
00:30:14.430 --> 00:30:15.690
you know, you've got all the other parents on the
789
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:17.819
touchline and you're kind of all going a bit, or sidelined,
790
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:18.859
you're all going a bit mental.
791
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:23.319
And the presence of Gabby and Kenny Logan also at
792
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.960
a rugby match, you guys are like, you know, you
793
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:29.269
watch proper rugby. You've got an international rugby player there.
794
00:30:29.549 --> 00:30:31.349
Well, Kenny goes off and watches on his own because
795
00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:33.190
he just like some of the chatter, you know, he
796
00:30:33.230 --> 00:30:34.549
goes like some of the things that he hears the
797
00:30:34.829 --> 00:30:37.170
parents saying, he just finds it all a bit like, oh,
798
00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:39.829
shut up. So he just walks off on his own sometimes,
799
00:30:39.990 --> 00:30:40.690
which I think.
800
00:30:40.490 --> 00:30:43.029
Looks so rude. He just disappears and leaves us all.
801
00:30:43.349 --> 00:30:45.529
And I'm left then with everybody else who's just having
802
00:30:45.569 --> 00:30:46.109
a nice.
803
00:30:45.930 --> 00:30:46.630
Day out, you know.
804
00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:46.849
Yeah.
805
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.670
But Rubens plays for Wasps Academy. And there's been a
806
00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:53.430
couple of times where Kenny's been watching matches when he's
807
00:30:53.450 --> 00:30:56.849
playing for Wasps, where there's been some dads or moms
808
00:30:56.890 --> 00:30:59.900
whose background in rugby isn't what Kenny's was, you know.
809
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.140
And they have no idea that Kenny played rugby. And
810
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.940
they'll turn around and say something to him. And Kenny
811
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.640
will say, well, you know. And then later they come
812
00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:07.490
and go, I'm so sorry. I didn't know you were
813
00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:10.890
actually playing. They're trying to tell Kenny what's going on.
814
00:31:10.910 --> 00:31:14.490
He knows a lot. He knows what's happening.
815
00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:18.099
It is kind of strange, I think, for Ruben sometimes,
816
00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:20.960
you know, because obviously at Wasps, Kenny played there for,
817
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:22.119
you know, 10 years.
818
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:25.019
And have you ever seen, has Ruben ever had a
819
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.920
fight on the pitch or a bit of a, you know,
820
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.930
in rugby, they sometimes kick off a bit. What's that
821
00:31:28.950 --> 00:31:30.650
like as a mum to watch that happen, even though
822
00:31:30.670 --> 00:31:32.750
he's this big six at five bloke?
823
00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:36.190
I don't mind that so much. There was one match
824
00:31:36.230 --> 00:31:39.839
last year where he said something really sarcastic to the ref,
825
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.000
which in rugby, you know, you don't backchat the ref.
826
00:31:42.380 --> 00:31:44.259
The ref was having an absolute shocker, by the way.
827
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.150
He was useless, right? And apparently, according to some of
828
00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:48.450
the parents, it smelt like he might have had a
829
00:31:48.450 --> 00:31:49.309
big night the night before.
830
00:31:49.329 --> 00:31:50.500
So that's a legend to me.
831
00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:56.910
But he got the scoreline wrong. And it was impossible.
832
00:31:57.349 --> 00:31:59.230
All he'd given was impossible for what had happened in
833
00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:00.670
the game. You know what I mean?
834
00:32:00.690 --> 00:32:03.480
And Ruben went, so let's just add that up or
835
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:05.099
did something really sarcastic.
836
00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:05.960
And I could hear him.
837
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.259
And I was going, at that point, the headmaster of
838
00:32:08.299 --> 00:32:10.299
the opposition school had stood next to me as well.
839
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.670
So I was like, oh, he's going to say, who's
840
00:32:12.690 --> 00:32:13.390
that horrible child?
841
00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:14.150
I'm going to go, it's my son.
842
00:32:16.670 --> 00:32:19.980
But, yeah, they're kind of big learning curves, those things.
843
00:32:20.059 --> 00:32:22.720
I think that sums up rugby, that you can spend
844
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.809
80 minutes smashing someone, but if you make a sarcastic comment,
845
00:32:26.849 --> 00:32:27.690
that is too far.
846
00:32:27.710 --> 00:32:35.710
LAUGHTER So it sounds like they're both very talented athletes,
847
00:32:35.750 --> 00:32:38.390
you know, playing at WASPs and nationals in the show jumping.
848
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:40.490
How important is that academic stuff?
849
00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:41.980
Do you know the sporting stuff?
850
00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:44.299
I genuinely, when they were little, I tried to get
851
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.579
them to play every instrument in the world.
852
00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:46.160
You know what I mean?
853
00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:47.680
I didn't want them to just feel they had just
854
00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:49.700
to choose sport as a kind of passion in life.
855
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:51.460
And all I wanted them to do was be interested
856
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:55.210
in stuff. and have something that they felt, you know,
857
00:32:55.230 --> 00:32:57.130
kind of that they wanted to commit to and give
858
00:32:57.190 --> 00:32:59.730
something to. So I'm glad they both have and they
859
00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.430
both love their sport. But they also, Ruben's really good
860
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:04.519
at drama. He's going to do drama GCSE and he's
861
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.359
on about going to theatre school or drama school if
862
00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:07.220
the sport doesn't work out.
863
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:08.440
He loves acting and stuff.
864
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:11.019
Do you know what? If you're six foot five... There's
865
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.359
going to be some good roles there.
866
00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:13.619
Well, I don't think so. I said to him, the
867
00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:17.930
only thing you can do is hope The Rock retires because.
868
00:33:16.710 --> 00:33:19.950
That's literally it. I said, you'll never be a leading man.
869
00:33:21.170 --> 00:33:24.740
He's not tapped out of growing yet. They grow to 21,
870
00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:25.009
don't you?
871
00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:30.240
Well, I keep telling him that he's finished. And he said,
872
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:31.680
you know, he's like, mum, I'm going to keep going
873
00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:33.119
to it because we've got a friend locally who's a
874
00:33:33.339 --> 00:33:35.660
top policeman in the Met who's six foot nine. And
875
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.460
he keeps telling me that he kept on growing.
876
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.460
You know, beyond 15. Ruben said, mum, I think I've
877
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:40.400
got my wisdom teeth through.
878
00:33:41.230 --> 00:33:43.109
So, you know, that's it. I've stopped now because he
879
00:33:43.150 --> 00:33:44.750
doesn't want to. He wants to go to six, seven, right?
880
00:33:45.069 --> 00:33:46.150
That's his optimum height.
881
00:33:46.170 --> 00:33:46.829
That's his goal.
882
00:33:46.950 --> 00:33:49.170
Yeah. And so I said, oh, brilliant. And then he
883
00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:50.470
came through the other night and he went, I think
884
00:33:50.490 --> 00:33:53.369
they're just molars, mum. I think they're just molars. LAUGHTER
885
00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:58.210
But schoolwork is, you know, I said to them both,
886
00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:00.490
whatever happens in life, she's not, you know, being an
887
00:34:00.529 --> 00:34:02.789
international show jumper is not, you know, it's a pipe dream.
888
00:34:02.809 --> 00:34:03.210
You know what I mean?
889
00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:04.150
You might as well try to say I want to
890
00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:05.910
be the queen. It's just so hard.
891
00:34:06.369 --> 00:34:08.449
So she's really, she's really academic and she wants to
892
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.019
go to university and she, you know, she's got kind
893
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:11.659
of her dreams.
894
00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:13.980
Ruben, he doesn't love learning as much.
895
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:14.539
Yeah.
896
00:34:15.849 --> 00:34:16.389
Let's say that.
897
00:34:16.710 --> 00:34:18.289
But, you know, I said, you just got to work
898
00:34:18.329 --> 00:34:20.059
hard and do the best you can. And that's, you know,
899
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:21.880
put as much in as you want out, basically.
900
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.570
With twins, do they feel like they're competing with each other? Like,
901
00:34:25.710 --> 00:34:28.570
so one's more academic than the other or one's. taller
902
00:34:28.590 --> 00:34:31.269
than the other or whatever. Do they feel like they're
903
00:34:31.510 --> 00:34:34.050
being compared? Was that kind of a thing.
904
00:34:33.929 --> 00:34:35.630
That's... You know, until they were seven, they were at
905
00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:37.429
the same school and we lived in London. And we
906
00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:39.849
didn't move out so that they could go to separate schools.
907
00:34:39.869 --> 00:34:41.530
There just happened to be a lot of single-sex schools
908
00:34:41.550 --> 00:34:43.559
where we live. And it was probably the best thing
909
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:46.199
for them because every parents' evening, Ruben was a bit
910
00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:48.239
of a, as the Scots would say, a raj. when
911
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.820
he was at his first school, right? So he was
912
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.300
always in trouble. And so parents' evening was always 15
913
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.960
minutes on him. And then two minutes at the end going, yeah,
914
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.940
reading's going well. You know, and that was... And so actually,
915
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.960
and she also then used to start to kind of
916
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.679
try and protect him a bit as well, which was,
917
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.360
you know, not her role. She didn't have to do
918
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.840
that at school. So going to separate schools was great.
919
00:35:09.860 --> 00:35:11.590
And there was one moment where Ruben brought a couple
920
00:35:11.610 --> 00:35:13.409
of lads back from school when he was about nine.
921
00:35:13.739 --> 00:35:15.489
And I went into his bedroom. He was with the boys.
922
00:35:15.510 --> 00:35:16.909
And I said, oh, Lois will be home soon. And
923
00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:17.849
one of the boys went, who's Lois?
924
00:35:18.570 --> 00:35:20.329
And I went how long have you known Ruben and
925
00:35:20.369 --> 00:35:21.949
this kid went two years and I went you never
926
00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:25.329
mentioned you've got a twin sister and this boy went
927
00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:29.400
you've got a twin sister that's such a boy thing
928
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:33.380
isn't it so it's quite nice for them to have
929
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.119
had that not being compared all the time you know
930
00:35:36.219 --> 00:35:38.239
and they go in swings and roundabouts in terms of
931
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.409
like who you know and all that kind of stuff,
932
00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:44.949
they're a bit competitive about sometimes. But actually, they're really
933
00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.500
lovely with each other. And, you know, they've kind of
934
00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:49.760
got a nice healthy... When I say competitive, I mean,
935
00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:51.699
there's four of us competing in this house, not just
936
00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:53.059
those two. Yeah, yeah.
937
00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:56.170
I think that's in the G. That's in the blanch
938
00:35:56.210 --> 00:35:56.829
more than anything.
939
00:35:58.409 --> 00:35:59.869
And they'll say things to me like.
940
00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:01.269
What did you get for your Massachusetts again?
941
00:36:01.849 --> 00:36:02.969
I'm like, really?
942
00:36:03.389 --> 00:36:06.369
What are board games like in your house?
943
00:36:07.969 --> 00:36:13.889
Yeah, they usually descend into some kind of fight. We're
944
00:36:13.909 --> 00:36:17.030
better off playing with other families, mixing the families up.
945
00:36:17.210 --> 00:36:19.989
Yes, that's a good way of doing it. And was
946
00:36:20.050 --> 00:36:21.780
Ruben quite big for his age growing up? Did he
947
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.239
always look older than his sister, even though they were twins?
948
00:36:24.260 --> 00:36:24.789
Because he was so big.
949
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.139
They were the same weight at birth.
950
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.139
Amazingly, they came out at six pounds each, which I
951
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.090
thought was incredible that they were the same weight. Because
952
00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:33.030
all the way along, they told me that the one
953
00:36:33.070 --> 00:36:35.369
on top that was lowest was bigger and the one
954
00:36:35.389 --> 00:36:37.989
on the bottom was smaller. And he came out first
955
00:36:38.170 --> 00:36:41.039
and he was six pounds, she was six pounds, just
956
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.239
about on the nose. And then suddenly, literally within three months,
957
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.059
he trebled his birth weight. So by, yeah, he was 18.
958
00:36:47.550 --> 00:36:50.869
Pounds after three months. There's no doubt in my mind,
959
00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:52.369
he should have been a stone at birth.
960
00:36:52.409 --> 00:37:00.059
You know, he saved me all sorts of aggro. Coming
961
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:00.679
with a partner.
962
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:03.059
So, yeah, he was always really big. And that, you
963
00:37:03.099 --> 00:37:04.050
know what it's like with toddlers?
964
00:37:04.530 --> 00:37:06.610
When, like even a ball pit or something with two
965
00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:08.690
of them, people thought that he was five when he
966
00:37:08.730 --> 00:37:09.409
was two, you know.
967
00:37:09.469 --> 00:37:12.059
And they go, tell your son to stop doing that.
968
00:37:12.099 --> 00:37:12.699
He's two.
969
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.559
You try telling him.
970
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.380
I don't know. And they go, two?
971
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.550
You know, so... So it was kind of for a while.
972
00:37:19.690 --> 00:37:21.949
And people expected so much more from him than he
973
00:37:21.989 --> 00:37:25.070
was capable of. And even, you know, as a boy,
974
00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:27.880
he was always behind her in terms of developmental things.
975
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.480
He didn't walk till he was 18 months. He was
976
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.380
like 11 months or something. He didn't even bother crawling.
977
00:37:32.619 --> 00:37:34.219
He just did this commando thing, you know, where he
978
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.119
just scooped his arms and kind of dragged himself around.
979
00:37:39.630 --> 00:37:42.210
He does sound like some sort of sported experiment.
980
00:37:42.230 --> 00:37:47.679
LAUGHTER He must get to the age now where when
981
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.820
I was 15, I had no hope of getting served
982
00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:55.389
in a pub. But he presumably can go anywhere, right?
983
00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:57.489
Remember Eat Out to Help Out last year?
984
00:37:57.510 --> 00:38:01.030
He had a girlfriend, first girlfriend. I'm not going to
985
00:38:01.050 --> 00:38:02.599
say too much about that. It's his private life, right?
986
00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:04.519
But they went out to an Eat Out to Help
987
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.860
Out locally, this pub. And they gave them the drinks menu, right?
988
00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:10.539
So bless him. When he came in, he was honest.
989
00:38:10.579 --> 00:38:11.840
He said, Dad, I had a pint.
990
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:13.079
So Kenny went, what?
991
00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:14.599
He went, well, I gave you the drinks menu. So
992
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.619
I just said, and he said, and I remembered what
993
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:17.940
I'd heard when we went out for dinner last week
994
00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:18.960
and somebody said they had a Foster's.
995
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.679
I went, I'll have a Foster's. And so.
996
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:21.679
LAUGHTER.
997
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.980
And I said to Kenny afterwards, thank God he didn't
998
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:27.380
just start going through the gins.
999
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.340
Do you know what I mean?
1000
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.119
I'll try your London, yeah, that looks lovely, that dry gin,
1001
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.179
and then we'll go on to the vodkas. So yeah,
1002
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:37.889
clearly from last summer, that is not going to be
1003
00:38:37.909 --> 00:38:39.849
a problem. So you've got to be, then have the
1004
00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:41.389
conversation changes, doesn't it?
1005
00:38:41.389 --> 00:38:43.409
But do you know what, Gary? He can't get drunk
1006
00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:44.130
at that size.
1007
00:38:44.269 --> 00:38:46.809
You're going to be fine. There's no way he's ever
1008
00:38:46.849 --> 00:38:47.530
going to get drunk.
1009
00:38:47.570 --> 00:38:51.530
LAUGHTER and it's nice though that he told you because
1010
00:38:51.590 --> 00:38:53.670
a lot of kids wouldn't have been honest so it's
1011
00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:55.469
a nice relationship where he can come home and say
1012
00:38:55.510 --> 00:38:57.670
that he did that and it'd be like an interesting
1013
00:38:57.690 --> 00:38:59.449
thing to talk about rather than be scared to tell
1014
00:38:59.489 --> 00:39:01.550
you or keep it a secret and keep going so
1015
00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:04.039
that you know I think that's a good way that's
1016
00:39:04.059 --> 00:39:06.820
pretty good yeah definitely but yeah it's a plus point
1017
00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:09.099
that you know your 14 year old's ordering pints you know.
1018
00:39:12.110 --> 00:39:15.639
You're at an interesting stage because you've got twins and
1019
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.300
they're at 15 and they're going to be leaving in
1020
00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:21.639
about three or four years. How does that, do you
1021
00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:23.139
think about that? How does that feel?
1022
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.769
A lot, because especially, you know, we're coming up now
1023
00:39:26.809 --> 00:39:28.869
to the summer where they're telling me all the time, mum,
1024
00:39:28.889 --> 00:39:30.719
this is the summer of our lives. This, you've got
1025
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.119
this summer, you've got to just like, you know, release control.
1026
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:34.139
We're going to go to festivals.
1027
00:39:34.300 --> 00:39:34.889
You're not mate.
1028
00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:38.869
There aren't going to be any. And we're going to
1029
00:39:38.909 --> 00:39:39.150
do this.
1030
00:39:39.170 --> 00:39:39.730
We're going to do that.
1031
00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:42.929
Because I'm not something that micromanages. I'm not a helicopter.
1032
00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:44.849
But of course, I want to know what's going on.
1033
00:39:44.849 --> 00:39:45.269
You know what I mean?
1034
00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:47.570
I'm not like going, just go out into the wilderness
1035
00:39:47.590 --> 00:39:52.090
for days on end. And have frank conversations about the
1036
00:39:52.110 --> 00:39:54.699
dangers of drugs and alcohol and everything. And so you've
1037
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:56.440
got all those things going. And then you think, there's
1038
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.380
two more years. And then they're off to university. And
1039
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.800
then they make all kinds of stupid decisions, you.
1040
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.780
Know, and do things that they want to do.
1041
00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.610
So at the moment, you're trying to kind of feed
1042
00:40:05.650 --> 00:40:07.250
in stuff that you hope is going to give them,
1043
00:40:07.610 --> 00:40:09.369
you know, a good grounding when they leave.
1044
00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:11.309
But also at the same time, thinking it's going.
1045
00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:12.329
To be so quiet.
1046
00:40:12.409 --> 00:40:13.690
It's going to be weird.
1047
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.440
And, you know, why don't I have more children? You know,
1048
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:16.219
beating Kenny's chest.
1049
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.599
Why didn't you let me have more kids? LAUGHTER You've
1050
00:40:20.619 --> 00:40:22.699
got the horses, though. You'll have to look after those horses,
1051
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:23.000
won't you?
1052
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:23.719
Oh, no, they're going.
1053
00:40:25.300 --> 00:40:28.039
She won't let me look after those. Yeah, I mean,
1054
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.199
I genuinely... Friends of mine have had later babies, so
1055
00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:31.780
they've got older ones, and then they've gone and had
1056
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.449
one in their early 40s, mid-40s. And I'm slightly envious
1057
00:40:35.710 --> 00:40:38.550
of that kind of, you know, having somebody coming through,
1058
00:40:38.690 --> 00:40:39.829
coming up the rear. Yeah.
1059
00:40:40.050 --> 00:40:45.429
Your podcast, The Midpoint, which I was like, well, this
1060
00:40:45.469 --> 00:40:46.550
doesn't apply to me.
1061
00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:47.650
And then I listened.
1062
00:40:48.050 --> 00:40:49.760
I'm in the age range, Gavin.
1063
00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.679
I'm middle-aged. You drew the bottom line at 35.
1064
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.159
Are you kidding me?
1065
00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:59.159
The Economic and Social Research Council did that, Josh, not me.
1066
00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:04.289
So the podcast is interviewing people in middle age about
1067
00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:04.650
how they feel.
1068
00:41:04.670 --> 00:41:05.130
Midlife.
1069
00:41:05.530 --> 00:41:06.309
Midlife.
1070
00:41:06.349 --> 00:41:10.809
Midlife. Sorry, sorry. Then the lineup is mind-blowing. It was
1071
00:41:10.829 --> 00:41:12.570
like a list of people I thought, oh, we should
1072
00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:14.969
get them on. So you've got some great people. You've
1073
00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:21.369
got Richard Osman, Mariella Frostrup, Denise Lewis, Catlin Moran, Michael Johnson,
1074
00:41:21.429 --> 00:41:22.449
the sprinter.
1075
00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:22.889
I know.
1076
00:41:22.909 --> 00:41:24.010
And Stiffback Johnson.
1077
00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:24.530
Stiffback.
1078
00:41:25.809 --> 00:41:28.590
Does he sit stiff back in the Zoom chair? So
1079
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.360
he's stiff back in the Zoom chair. Here he goes.
1080
00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:32.519
So I work with him all the time, right? So
1081
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.219
his office in Malibu, right, in his house, he literally
1082
00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:38.179
sat up on his chair. And behind him, he had
1083
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.360
two glass shelves. And on it, the only things on
1084
00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:44.230
it were Olympic gold medal, a gold Nike running spike,
1085
00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:45.670
and two BAFTAs, right?
1086
00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:46.750
That was all on the shelf, right?
1087
00:41:47.230 --> 00:41:48.989
And I actually said to him, I said, because the
1088
00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:50.829
thing about working with Michael Johnson, right, he never wastes
1089
00:41:50.869 --> 00:41:52.469
a word. He will talk for two minutes, but there
1090
00:41:52.489 --> 00:41:55.420
is never a superfluous sentence or any grammatical kind of,
1091
00:41:55.429 --> 00:41:58.050
you know, mistakes or ums and ahs. And I said,
1092
00:41:58.070 --> 00:42:03.469
your shelf sums you up. You're just precision. This is me,
1093
00:42:03.869 --> 00:42:05.489
some gold medals and some BAFTAs.
1094
00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:09.449
I did running and then I did broadcasting and I
1095
00:42:09.489 --> 00:42:11.510
was the best at both of them. Here they are.
1096
00:42:11.590 --> 00:42:13.159
What do you want to know about my life?
1097
00:42:14.210 --> 00:42:15.789
But he had a stroke in midlife.
1098
00:42:15.849 --> 00:42:17.489
I mean, Michael Johnson, you know, one of the fittest
1099
00:42:17.510 --> 00:42:19.289
men in the world. And he didn't even, you know,
1100
00:42:19.329 --> 00:42:20.530
didn't realize what it was. He came out of the
1101
00:42:20.550 --> 00:42:23.320
gym and his arm was spontaneously moving. And he rang,
1102
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:25.179
when he told me the story for the first time,
1103
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.219
I was, I couldn't help laughing. So I rang the
1104
00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:33.730
Michael Johnson Performance Center. LAUGHTER and spoke to the top
1105
00:42:33.750 --> 00:42:35.230
doctor and the top doctor told him get to a
1106
00:42:35.250 --> 00:42:36.909
hospital and if he hadn't gone to a hospital at
1107
00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:38.570
that point and gone home and gone to sleep which
1108
00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:42.030
was his natural inclination he'd be dead basically or he'd
1109
00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:44.010
be so badly paralysed that he would not be doing
1110
00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:46.269
what he does now which is he's back jogging and
1111
00:42:46.369 --> 00:42:46.869
you know.
1112
00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:49.789
Yeah that's unbelievable I never knew that that's unbelievable yeah
1113
00:42:49.809 --> 00:42:52.510
definitely listen to the podcast that's the best advert for
1114
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.699
a podcast inside a podcast I'm actually hosting my podcast
1115
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.960
and I only stopped doing this to listen you've absolutely
1116
00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:02.820
done me Can I ask about Richard Osman as well?
1117
00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:03.079
Yes.
1118
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.300
Did you do it in a studio with him, or
1119
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:06.860
did you do it over Zoom and online?
1120
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.119
No, do you know when we did it, actually, in
1121
00:43:08.139 --> 00:43:10.820
the offices of my agents in Chiswick, it was in
1122
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.519
the period where you could meet up with about, I'd say,
1123
00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:15.559
a quarter I've managed to physically be with people.
1124
00:43:16.059 --> 00:43:17.980
Oh, that's OK, then, because I asked him to do
1125
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:19.860
our one, and he said, no, sorry, I can't. I
1126
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.159
haven't got the right setup at home. It has to
1127
00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:23.739
be a studio. So he wanted to wait.
1128
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.900
I just wanted to make sure he wasn't lying to me.
1129
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.400
So you're not interested in what's in it. You just
1130
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:28.139
wanted to make sure.
1131
00:43:28.179 --> 00:43:31.760
Yeah, just a booking process, really, for that matter. It's just, what,
1132
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.219
TV and being tall, probably, is it?
1133
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.329
He said to me, how tall is your son?
1134
00:43:36.610 --> 00:43:37.150
Good, I'm in.
1135
00:43:39.809 --> 00:43:43.670
In fact, he was 5'9 at 35, Richard Osborne. And
1136
00:43:43.690 --> 00:43:45.070
he sort of, he grew later.
1137
00:43:45.289 --> 00:43:48.719
One of Kenny's best friends and teammates from Wasps and England, well,
1138
00:43:48.739 --> 00:43:50.420
Kenny didn't play for England, obviously, but British and Irish Lions.
1139
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:55.539
He was 5'9 at 16. And six foot nine at 17.
1140
00:43:55.539 --> 00:43:56.539
Wow. Yeah.
1141
00:43:56.659 --> 00:43:58.059
And I said to him, what was that year like?
1142
00:43:58.460 --> 00:43:59.300
What happened in that year?
1143
00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:00.599
He said, I come home from school.
1144
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.289
And literally, and this is visual here, but he said
1145
00:44:03.329 --> 00:44:05.150
his sleeve of his shirt would just be coming back
1146
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:08.889
to kind of like every day. And he'd have to
1147
00:44:08.989 --> 00:44:10.969
park out after school for an hour and a half
1148
00:44:10.989 --> 00:44:13.730
because his bones were aching so much. And when he scored,
1149
00:44:13.750 --> 00:44:16.280
he was just completely, you know. And at the end
1150
00:44:16.300 --> 00:44:17.619
of it, like the Incredible Hulk, he just got some
1151
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.440
new clothes and got on with his sporting career.
1152
00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:19.639
Yeah.
1153
00:44:22.590 --> 00:44:25.849
That's mad, isn't it? So would you consider me and
1154
00:44:25.929 --> 00:44:30.289
Rob to be part of the mid... What was the term?
1155
00:44:30.349 --> 00:44:32.079
There's a podcast called Midpoint.
1156
00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:33.519
Yeah, but what was the term you used?
1157
00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:35.420
I only used midlife because middle age.
1158
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:36.820
I said middle age used to sound.
1159
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:38.960
It was beige, wasn't it? Middle age.
1160
00:44:39.099 --> 00:44:42.239
It's never a compliment when you say that. Oh, you're
1161
00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:44.760
so middle aged. And so the reason I started it
1162
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.710
completely self-serving was obviously a bit like you two, you know,
1163
00:44:47.730 --> 00:44:51.030
with your damn parenting was just to kind of go, okay,
1164
00:44:51.070 --> 00:44:53.329
what is this? What does it mean physically? What's happening
1165
00:44:53.369 --> 00:44:56.230
to us? You know, what's, what's going to happen to us. And,
1166
00:44:56.409 --> 00:44:58.889
and also wanting to feel like I was, I was
1167
00:44:59.030 --> 00:45:01.929
inside as kind of vibrant and energetic as I've ever been,
1168
00:45:01.949 --> 00:45:04.630
but outside clearly changing. And so I wanted to meet
1169
00:45:04.670 --> 00:45:07.030
people that are doing good stuff in their midlife as well.
1170
00:45:07.050 --> 00:45:08.650
I mean, like Richard's a great example, you know, he
1171
00:45:08.670 --> 00:45:11.050
didn't appear on telly till he was 40 with Pointless.
1172
00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:12.449
I think it was 39 or whatever. And he's just
1173
00:45:12.769 --> 00:45:14.920
He's just produced one of the best-selling books of all time,
1174
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:18.260
nearly 50. So you can have lots of different– do
1175
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:21.260
lots of different– I mean, obviously, he's an exceptional character.
1176
00:45:21.590 --> 00:45:23.110
But you can do more than one thing.
1177
00:45:23.210 --> 00:45:25.409
You can change your mind about what you want to
1178
00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:26.929
do and pursue something else.
1179
00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.550
And did being in midlife creep up on you?
1180
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:30.900
Yes.
1181
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.639
Yes. Yes. it truly did when did you realize um
1182
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.219
well about a year and a half ago i had
1183
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:41.679
a moment where i kind of went like that you
1184
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:43.420
know when you walk past a window or a mirror
1185
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.340
or reflection and i saw something different you know and
1186
00:45:46.389 --> 00:45:47.780
i was kind of because we're in this business right
1187
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.769
you get lit well you have makeup artists you know
1188
00:45:50.789 --> 00:45:52.590
you've got people telling you look great yeah you look
1189
00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:54.409
great you know and there was this one moment where
1190
00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:57.329
i just saw kind of what probably other people see
1191
00:45:57.349 --> 00:46:00.630
and and I was like oh I am older and
1192
00:46:00.690 --> 00:46:03.030
I really you know and then I started looking at
1193
00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:05.530
myself physically thinking oh and you know I've noticed like
1194
00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:07.800
when I have like a really good Christmas I'm one
1195
00:46:07.969 --> 00:46:09.599
one run's not going to get rid of it anymore
1196
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.579
you know or and you and all that stuff just
1197
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.719
started metabolism feels like it's slowing down and also I
1198
00:46:15.739 --> 00:46:18.139
started to feel a bit grumpy about things and I
1199
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.019
don't want to be a grumpy old woman you know
1200
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.030
yeah that's not where I'm heading so what is that
1201
00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:24.789
about and that is all to do with hormones because
1202
00:46:24.809 --> 00:46:27.489
all your happy hormones start to leave you so you
1203
00:46:27.849 --> 00:46:30.269
um you've become you know your potential to become a
1204
00:46:30.289 --> 00:46:32.769
bit angrier which um kathleen moran she was on the
1205
00:46:32.809 --> 00:46:34.789
podcast she likes because she said it makes her feel
1206
00:46:34.849 --> 00:46:37.829
more like her male colleagues so she's like kind of
1207
00:46:38.130 --> 00:46:40.019
she goes this is why they've all got ices and
1208
00:46:40.059 --> 00:46:45.179
second homes you know So I wanted to understand a
1209
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:48.800
bit more about that and see, you know, whether, can
1210
00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:50.579
you exercise your way out of it? No.
1211
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:52.949
Can you, you know, can you eat yourself out of it?
1212
00:46:53.030 --> 00:46:53.199
No.
1213
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.309
What is, well, sometimes it's just being kind of accepting,
1214
00:46:57.369 --> 00:46:58.650
isn't it, of what's going to happen.
1215
00:46:58.849 --> 00:47:02.690
And it must be, your teenagers must see you as
1216
00:47:02.769 --> 00:47:05.710
from a different generation. Do you know what I mean? Like,
1217
00:47:05.769 --> 00:47:08.199
if I think about when I was 15, I mean,
1218
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.530
no offence in this, Gabby, but my parents felt like Like,
1219
00:47:11.889 --> 00:47:15.690
incomparable different age to me. Do you know what I mean?
1220
00:47:15.730 --> 00:47:19.269
Yeah. You just don't... My parents had me quite young.
1221
00:47:19.289 --> 00:47:20.389
They were in their early 20s.
1222
00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:23.969
So they were still kind of going out a lot,
1223
00:47:24.050 --> 00:47:25.710
you know, because they were only in their late 30s.
1224
00:47:25.969 --> 00:47:29.409
So when I was 17. But my kids, because I
1225
00:47:29.429 --> 00:47:31.010
was 10 years older than that, I was 32 when
1226
00:47:31.050 --> 00:47:31.449
I had them.
1227
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.090
So they just.
1228
00:47:33.139 --> 00:47:35.679
There's some things where they're just rude, you know? Like,
1229
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.860
you just don't understand. I mean, how could you possibly understand?
1230
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.280
You don't even have Snapchat, you know?
1231
00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:40.900
It's like.
1232
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:43.340
And then other things.
1233
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:46.820
That they're like slightly more kind and benevolent about because
1234
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.360
they kind of you know want to understand what what
1235
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.119
what did you eat you know they'll say things like
1236
00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:52.840
that what.
1237
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:54.159
Do you have for dinner what was your what a
1238
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.960
normal amount compared to you mate well they.
1239
00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:57.800
Were asking kenny this question last night because kenny grew
1240
00:47:57.820 --> 00:47:59.269
up on a farm in scotland and they were like
1241
00:47:59.289 --> 00:48:00.849
what kind of things because last night i made this
1242
00:48:01.030 --> 00:48:04.230
incredible tofu vegan dinner right and they went dad i
1243
00:48:04.250 --> 00:48:06.030
bet you never had anything like this on the farm.
1244
00:48:05.789 --> 00:48:06.110
Did you.
1245
00:48:09.010 --> 00:48:11.989
So, yeah, it is strange. And you have to– I'm lucky,
1246
00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.530
I think, in a way. Working in sport, I deal
1247
00:48:13.550 --> 00:48:15.170
with all these young sports people all the time, these
1248
00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:17.239
footballers who are like 20, 21.
1249
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.219
And sometimes you think, oh, am I a dinosaur to them?
1250
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:20.559
They look at me and think, who's the old lady
1251
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.510
coming on, you know, being wheeled on to interview me?
1252
00:48:22.829 --> 00:48:26.170
So having the kids, my kids, sometimes a good kind
1253
00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:28.389
of prism as to kind of what is going on,
1254
00:48:28.429 --> 00:48:28.670
you know?
1255
00:48:28.710 --> 00:48:30.590
Yeah, and it brings you back. I find that.
1256
00:48:30.610 --> 00:48:32.690
I think, like I said before, when you have kids,
1257
00:48:32.750 --> 00:48:35.030
you sort of, your pop culture references fall out your
1258
00:48:35.050 --> 00:48:37.820
head because you just see BBs, you know, getting them fed,
1259
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.539
getting them to nursery. But then once they get to teenagers...
1260
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:42.019
you actually, you sort of catch up with all your
1261
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.159
friends that didn't have kids because you get to learn
1262
00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:47.360
about it from teenagers, whether it's TikTok or Snapchat or
1263
00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:48.159
this or that.
1264
00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:50.550
It's so funny, when Kenny and Ruben go up to Coventry,
1265
00:48:50.570 --> 00:48:52.510
which is where Wasp's training is, it's like an hour
1266
00:48:52.530 --> 00:48:54.250
and a half journey for them after school and stuff.
1267
00:48:54.269 --> 00:48:57.269
So on the way there, Ruben gets to play his music, right,
1268
00:48:57.289 --> 00:48:59.969
which Kenny describes as, er, er, swear word.
1269
00:49:00.250 --> 00:49:01.420
Er, swear word, er.
1270
00:49:02.130 --> 00:49:05.139
I think dads have described music like that for 100 years.
1271
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.800
LAUGHTER On the.
1272
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.590
Way back, it's freestyle, so they can kind of like
1273
00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:14.110
choose a track each. But Ruben, because he's now trained,
1274
00:49:14.469 --> 00:49:17.190
he's quite happy to play Sweet Caroline or a bit
1275
00:49:17.230 --> 00:49:17.750
of Oasis.
1276
00:49:17.789 --> 00:49:19.320
You know what I mean? On the way home, that's fine.
1277
00:49:19.699 --> 00:49:21.300
Or a bit of Fleetwood Mac. It's okay.
1278
00:49:21.340 --> 00:49:23.440
And Kenny's always like, oh, the journey home is so
1279
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:24.059
much nicer.
1280
00:49:26.630 --> 00:49:27.690
But do you know what?
1281
00:49:28.110 --> 00:49:30.929
That's better than I wouldn't want to be one of
1282
00:49:30.969 --> 00:49:33.559
those parents that's trying to be down with their kids.
1283
00:49:33.579 --> 00:49:35.219
Yeah, it's too much. It's too much.
1284
00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:37.960
And you said before it would have been nice to
1285
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.739
have other kids and stuff like that. Was that a consideration?
1286
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:45.030
Were they for IVF as well? Is that right? You
1287
00:49:45.050 --> 00:49:45.750
had them for IVF?
1288
00:49:45.789 --> 00:49:46.610
Yeah, they were.
1289
00:49:46.730 --> 00:49:47.849
And so being candid.
1290
00:49:48.289 --> 00:49:50.789
We had more blastocysts than, you know, so you have
1291
00:49:50.809 --> 00:49:53.489
to put them on ice and you decide whether you're
1292
00:49:53.510 --> 00:49:56.230
going to have another baby, which is a fairly, to decide,
1293
00:49:56.409 --> 00:49:58.829
you know, in that way, it's such a kind of
1294
00:49:58.869 --> 00:50:01.329
pressure-filled conversation to have, you know. So when you've got
1295
00:50:01.369 --> 00:50:04.030
two toddlers running around at 18 months, what kind of
1296
00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:04.989
maniac is going to go.
1297
00:50:04.949 --> 00:50:08.130
And volunteer to put, you know, another couple of eggs
1298
00:50:08.190 --> 00:50:08.550
back in?
1299
00:50:08.570 --> 00:50:09.230
Yeah.
1300
00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:12.949
So at that point, we're both in this stupid mindset,
1301
00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:15.320
as new parents often are, when it gets back to normal.
1302
00:50:15.739 --> 00:50:18.079
And of course, what you realize when they're 17 is
1303
00:50:18.139 --> 00:50:19.719
it never gets back to normal, you know, or 15.
1304
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.159
That doesn't happen.
1305
00:50:21.219 --> 00:50:23.159
So when they were about 10, we had to have
1306
00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:25.760
a really serious conversation about it because that's when they're
1307
00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:29.179
supposed to no longer be frozen, you know. And we
1308
00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:30.980
even kind of walked to the pub in the village
1309
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.699
and we sat down and we kind of like, you know,
1310
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:34.780
what should we do? And at that point, you know,
1311
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.179
I was probably in my early 40s and I just
1312
00:50:37.219 --> 00:50:39.699
felt like I was too far from having them you
1313
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.590
know that it felt like too big a gap and
1314
00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:44.250
um and so we didn't and and then kenny just
1315
00:50:44.289 --> 00:50:46.349
about a year ago on one of those days you
1316
00:50:46.369 --> 00:50:48.650
know in those days where everything's great the kids are
1317
00:50:48.690 --> 00:50:50.300
great it's all good and life's great and he went
1318
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.380
we should have had more I was.
1319
00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:56.699
Like, don't give me that now.
1320
00:50:57.090 --> 00:50:59.230
But I always thought I'd have four or five because
1321
00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:01.300
I'm one of four and Kenny's one of three. And,
1322
00:51:01.309 --> 00:51:03.010
you know, when your experience is growing up or what
1323
00:51:03.050 --> 00:51:06.289
you think you're going to have. But we do often
1324
00:51:06.329 --> 00:51:09.710
thank our lucky stars because Kenny's business partner had, he's
1325
00:51:09.730 --> 00:51:11.730
got triplets. And one is a girl and the other
1326
00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:13.769
two are twin boys. So the egg split in the womb.
1327
00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:17.110
So we often say, imagine if Ruben's egg had split,
1328
00:51:17.210 --> 00:51:17.909
we'd be bankrupt.
1329
00:51:18.210 --> 00:51:19.750
So, you know. Exactly.
1330
00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:24.949
Triplets was what was the moment when you found out
1331
00:51:24.969 --> 00:51:25.840
it was twins.
1332
00:51:25.610 --> 00:51:28.860
Like really lovely yeah it was really amazing yeah because
1333
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.599
because we just wanted to be pregnant so it was
1334
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.400
like kind of we just wanted to say there's a
1335
00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:34.500
there's a beating heart there you know so to say
1336
00:51:34.539 --> 00:51:36.679
there's two um and we didn't tell anybody it was
1337
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.199
twins for ages because we just couldn't quite believe our
1338
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:40.699
luck you know so we wanted to wait till we
1339
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.179
got to our first proper scan because obviously with IVF
1340
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.019
you're starting to get pregnant 10 weeks before you get pregnant.
1341
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.079
So it's the longest pregnancy ever. It's like an elephant.
1342
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.800
So you go back kind of almost a year because
1343
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:52.750
you start having the drugs and doing all the tests
1344
00:51:52.769 --> 00:51:55.590
and all of that. So it's a long old time
1345
00:51:55.869 --> 00:51:57.989
while you've been on that journey before you even tell anybody.
1346
00:51:58.010 --> 00:52:00.710
Was it a tough process going through it all? Obviously,
1347
00:52:00.769 --> 00:52:02.050
it works out well.
1348
00:52:01.849 --> 00:52:05.110
Because you've got your two kids. But is it quite tough?
1349
00:52:05.769 --> 00:52:07.550
You know, I think you said it at the very
1350
00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:10.280
beginning about a sports person's mindset. And I think we
1351
00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:11.780
both kind of had that, you.
1352
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:12.909
Know, attitude towards it.
1353
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.639
So we tried to say, right, OK, if this doesn't
1354
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.099
work this time, then, you know, and and so it's
1355
00:52:17.139 --> 00:52:18.679
tough in as much as, you know, you put your
1356
00:52:18.699 --> 00:52:21.119
body through a bit. And actually, the interesting thing about
1357
00:52:21.179 --> 00:52:23.400
midpoint is I've discovered if you go through IVF, which
1358
00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:25.119
some of your listeners might be and might, you know,
1359
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:28.369
might be thinking about. you can have your menopause earlier
1360
00:52:28.389 --> 00:52:30.789
because you've because you've mixed up your hormones and stuff
1361
00:52:30.809 --> 00:52:32.489
and so i didn't know any of that you know
1362
00:52:32.510 --> 00:52:33.929
because you kind of only read the bits you want
1363
00:52:33.949 --> 00:52:35.750
to read don't you yeah you don't you don't kind
1364
00:52:35.789 --> 00:52:38.889
of take in everything um and so it was it
1365
00:52:38.929 --> 00:52:41.389
wasn't it wasn't hard because i think there are a
1366
00:52:41.389 --> 00:52:42.909
lot harder things to go through in life it was
1367
00:52:43.369 --> 00:52:45.250
it was just not the way we thought it was
1368
00:52:45.269 --> 00:52:47.110
going to happen you know because we're like two healthy
1369
00:52:47.130 --> 00:52:49.510
people going well what's and there wasn't anything wrong we've
1370
00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:51.889
told we had unexplained infertility so you're like what does
1371
00:52:51.909 --> 00:52:53.590
that mean oh just keep going i was like i'm
1372
00:52:53.889 --> 00:52:56.400
going to keep going forever you know so obviously then
1373
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.719
you start going down a medical road which you don't
1374
00:52:59.059 --> 00:52:59.840
think you know.
1375
00:52:59.860 --> 00:53:03.559
Yeah it's um it's fascinating though because it's like it's
1376
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.650
something that wasn't talked about as much as it should
1377
00:53:05.690 --> 00:53:07.150
have been do you know what I mean in the
1378
00:53:07.210 --> 00:53:10.309
last maybe 20 years it's really opened up as a
1379
00:53:10.329 --> 00:53:13.730
subject which is just people are much more comfortable talking about,
1380
00:53:13.750 --> 00:53:14.710
which I think is really good.
1381
00:53:14.929 --> 00:53:16.449
I think it's really interesting as well.
1382
00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:19.219
When I got a phone call from the Sun newspaper
1383
00:53:19.340 --> 00:53:21.219
within about 10 minutes of leaving the hospital from my
1384
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.519
first scan saying, we hear you're infecting twins. And I went, what?
1385
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:26.460
And so.
1386
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:32.090
And then the first question that the journalist asked was, are.
1387
00:53:32.010 --> 00:53:32.909
There twins in your family?
1388
00:53:32.929 --> 00:53:36.630
And the inference was obviously that she knew that it wasn't.
1389
00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:39.110
Do you know what I mean? Because she could easily
1390
00:53:39.150 --> 00:53:40.730
find out there are no twins in my family.
1391
00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:43.659
And I made the decision at that moment that I
1392
00:53:43.699 --> 00:53:46.340
wasn't going to hide the IVF because I felt like
1393
00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:48.860
I was so grateful to the incredible people who'd helped
1394
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.320
me get to this stage that I didn't want to
1395
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:52.619
kind of... I wasn't embarrassed by it and I was
1396
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.269
quite happy to talk about it because... it felt like
1397
00:53:55.429 --> 00:53:57.869
a natural process as unnatural as it kind of is
1398
00:53:57.889 --> 00:53:59.650
do you know what I mean and I feel like
1399
00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:00.650
a lot of people have come up to me over
1400
00:54:00.670 --> 00:54:03.670
the years and people famous people you know people that
1401
00:54:03.769 --> 00:54:05.519
you'd know who oh I had it you know but
1402
00:54:05.539 --> 00:54:07.340
they've never talked about it and I think there was
1403
00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:09.900
a stigma almost that you're not quite complete or you're
1404
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.860
not quite right if you can't do it do you
1405
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.489
know what I mean yeah and I think that's hopefully
1406
00:54:14.510 --> 00:54:17.610
that's gone now and people don't feel like Yeah.
1407
00:54:17.650 --> 00:54:18.110
I think so.
1408
00:54:18.130 --> 00:54:19.869
I feel like it used to be thought of like that,
1409
00:54:19.889 --> 00:54:21.070
but I'd never think of it like that. It just
1410
00:54:21.090 --> 00:54:23.730
seems like, oh, that's just a, if it's not quite
1411
00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:24.889
happening there, you just change that.
1412
00:54:24.969 --> 00:54:26.699
And then that happens. It's sort of like the same
1413
00:54:26.739 --> 00:54:28.739
way as you would if you had a bad knee. Yeah.
1414
00:54:28.780 --> 00:54:29.920
You'd need to get adjusted.
1415
00:54:29.940 --> 00:54:30.980
You'd need science and medicine to help.
1416
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:31.360
Yeah.
1417
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.300
No one would go, oh, look, walking about, but not
1418
00:54:33.340 --> 00:54:35.619
the normal, like the natural way with your knee. Like, oh,
1419
00:54:35.739 --> 00:54:37.219
I want to be able to limp.
1420
00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:41.210
We do do those kind of jokes on The Last Lag, actually.
1421
00:54:41.670 --> 00:54:42.150
I am sorry.
1422
00:54:42.389 --> 00:54:43.050
I'm joking.
1423
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:43.840
I apologise.
1424
00:54:43.860 --> 00:54:44.920
It's funny you like this.
1425
00:54:45.739 --> 00:54:47.559
When the kids were about, we decided not to tell
1426
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.840
the kids until they were old enough to actually comprehend
1427
00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:53.710
what that means. It wasn't like we were lying. We
1428
00:54:53.730 --> 00:54:55.889
didn't say, one night, you're down and I got together.
1429
00:54:56.190 --> 00:55:00.719
LAUGHTER But we thought, if they don't even know what procreation,
1430
00:55:00.739 --> 00:55:02.610
what it is to actually have a baby, how can
1431
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.320
they get their head around doing it a different way?
1432
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:06.960
So once they started to have sex education at school
1433
00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:08.719
and started to know or thought they knew what was
1434
00:55:08.739 --> 00:55:11.559
going on when they were about 10 or 11, we
1435
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.460
were driving up to see some friends up on the Wirral.
1436
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.440
And we were kind of somewhere on the M6. Let's
1437
00:55:15.460 --> 00:55:20.000
say Knutsford services, right? LAUGHTER I'm picturing it.
1438
00:55:20.059 --> 00:55:20.599
I'm picturing it.
1439
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:21.079
I'm there.
1440
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.820
I'm out of all the service stations to talk about
1441
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.400
IVF in Knapsford. We were still.
1442
00:55:26.710 --> 00:55:28.590
In the car. And I turned around and I said, guys,
1443
00:55:29.550 --> 00:55:31.489
something I want to tell you that I think you
1444
00:55:31.510 --> 00:55:31.949
should know.
1445
00:55:32.190 --> 00:55:33.869
And so I told them, right?
1446
00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:36.590
Honestly, the way they reacted, you just thought I told
1447
00:55:36.630 --> 00:55:39.280
them that I was mainlining heroin on an evening, right?
1448
00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:40.659
They literally were.
1449
00:55:40.539 --> 00:55:42.300
Like, what? What?
1450
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:43.360
What?
1451
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:44.500
And the movement said.
1452
00:55:45.099 --> 00:55:46.280
Are we adopted as well?
1453
00:55:46.539 --> 00:55:50.630
And I was like, what? And it really kind of
1454
00:55:50.650 --> 00:55:53.179
blew out of all proportion. It made it very dramatic.
1455
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.539
And I said, guys, it's really, you know. And then
1456
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.440
Ruben went, hang on a minute. And he named a
1457
00:55:57.460 --> 00:55:59.340
couple of other kids. He went, I bet they are too.
1458
00:55:59.739 --> 00:56:03.039
And I was like, what? He went, yeah, yeah, I
1459
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:03.800
bet they are as well.
1460
00:56:03.820 --> 00:56:06.530
I said, OK, maybe I've gone too soon with this conversation, right?
1461
00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:09.480
So how old were they at this point?
1462
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:11.519
They were about 12 or 11, 12. They knew what
1463
00:56:11.579 --> 00:56:14.019
IVF was, or they thought they did. So we explained
1464
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.619
it all. And then they were kind of fine about it.
1465
00:56:15.619 --> 00:56:17.480
And I started turning it into a kind of, we
1466
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.469
really wanted you. We kind of had to choose, really choose.
1467
00:56:20.489 --> 00:56:21.989
You're not an accident, you know, and all that kind
1468
00:56:22.010 --> 00:56:22.179
of thing.
1469
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.570
Yeah, proof you're not an accident.
1470
00:56:23.590 --> 00:56:24.389
Yeah, exactly.
1471
00:56:24.690 --> 00:56:26.369
And then we get to our friend's house. And three
1472
00:56:26.409 --> 00:56:28.909
of my three daughters were there. And I saw them
1473
00:56:28.989 --> 00:56:32.070
run straight over to the girls. And there's this deep conversation.
1474
00:56:32.110 --> 00:56:33.550
And they came back and they went, yeah, we've told
1475
00:56:33.590 --> 00:56:34.030
the girls.
1476
00:56:34.449 --> 00:56:35.289
We told them we're IVF.
1477
00:56:35.690 --> 00:56:37.869
And I'm like oh right okay I said what did
1478
00:56:37.909 --> 00:56:42.179
they say and they went they're not bothered no they
1479
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.940
wouldn't be it's really and so they laugh about it
1480
00:56:44.980 --> 00:56:48.119
now because they've done obviously a lot more in biology
1481
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:49.780
and things and they kind of understand.
1482
00:56:49.420 --> 00:56:53.219
It that's amazing isn't it well I suppose it feels
1483
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.880
like a big bit of news but in a way
1484
00:56:54.940 --> 00:56:56.320
it's a complete non-bit.
1485
00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:58.260
Of news exactly that was yeah the point for me
1486
00:56:58.340 --> 00:57:00.039
obviously I felt like it was going to be I
1487
00:57:00.059 --> 00:57:02.809
was broaching this big topic with them but actually they
1488
00:57:02.849 --> 00:57:05.389
were quite fine without it it wasn't weird Well.
1489
00:57:05.409 --> 00:57:08.570
It's really once you've got the required result, IVF is
1490
00:57:08.610 --> 00:57:11.610
sort of like a non-conversation, really. It's only a real
1491
00:57:11.710 --> 00:57:13.909
sort of thing to think about and be concerned about.
1492
00:57:14.050 --> 00:57:15.329
Yeah, during the process.
1493
00:57:15.530 --> 00:57:15.690
Yeah.
1494
00:57:15.889 --> 00:57:17.340
Yeah, it's quite funny. They're like, yeah, we've got to
1495
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.679
tell you something. And they're telling everyone. We're IVF guys.
1496
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:22.380
I'm so disappointed you haven't asked me about, I was
1497
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.059
listening to Mark Watson telling you about some kind of
1498
00:57:24.099 --> 00:57:26.599
bad parenting, like when his pram fell off the train
1499
00:57:26.780 --> 00:57:27.619
and stuff.
1500
00:57:27.659 --> 00:57:28.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1501
00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:29.539
Oh, let us know. Go for it, Gary.
1502
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.019
I thought, OK.
1503
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.929
Because also you've talked a lot about, you know, Ruben's
1504
00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:34.849
sport and all that. And it makes sound like, you know,
1505
00:57:34.909 --> 00:57:37.690
everything's going really well. Right. OK. So I just I
1506
00:57:37.730 --> 00:57:40.170
don't want to leave anybody listening to this thinking that,
1507
00:57:40.210 --> 00:57:41.869
you know, that it was always thus.
1508
00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:44.940
And having twins, obviously, you have a lot of challenges.
1509
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:46.699
It's tiring.
1510
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.880
And, you know, you know how tiring kids are. And
1511
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.000
so my pram incident was a good one. I was
1512
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.889
walking along Barnes High Street where we lived at the time.
1513
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.309
And I stopped at Cafe Nero. And I got Lois out.
1514
00:57:58.590 --> 00:58:00.489
And I was holding the double pram. And then I
1515
00:58:00.510 --> 00:58:02.130
was just looking at the menu or something and let
1516
00:58:02.150 --> 00:58:04.550
go of the pram with Ruben in it, right? And
1517
00:58:04.570 --> 00:58:07.550
there was a slight slope on the pavement, right, which
1518
00:58:07.590 --> 00:58:11.610
I hadn't noticed. And the pram obviously took off towards
1519
00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:12.489
the main road, right?
1520
00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:12.750
I would.
1521
00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:17.829
declare a 17 ton lorry coming around the corner oh
1522
00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:21.989
my word this guy appeared from nowhere right it was
1523
00:58:22.030 --> 00:58:24.119
november everybody's in coats and hats he was wearing a
1524
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.739
t-shirt and jeans and it's totally incongruous on the high
1525
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:30.079
street you know he just didn't look like calls the
1526
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.800
pram off like you know gets the pram before it
1527
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:34.699
hits the road and just gives me it back in
1528
00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:36.539
a very calm way and walked off never said a
1529
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.659
word right just i just stood there like in shock
1530
00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:42.260
because i oh my I still went in and had
1531
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:43.980
a coffee, which to this day, I'm not sure, was
1532
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:44.199
a good.
1533
00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:46.039
Well, you needed it, man. You needed it.
1534
00:58:46.059 --> 00:58:48.159
Everybody in the coffee shop has seen me nearly lose
1535
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.860
a child to the rogue. Oh, my God. Yeah, but
1536
00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:52.760
that came flashing back when I was listening to that.
1537
00:58:52.780 --> 00:58:54.449
I was like, oh, my God, I had a pram
1538
00:58:54.489 --> 00:58:56.809
moment too. You do have.
1539
00:58:57.110 --> 00:58:59.170
You have them and you forget, don't you, until people
1540
00:58:59.190 --> 00:59:00.829
spark your memory.
1541
00:59:01.170 --> 00:59:03.050
The better one, actually, was when he once pulled another
1542
00:59:03.090 --> 00:59:05.369
person's pram over, Ruben. I left him next to a
1543
00:59:05.389 --> 00:59:07.170
pram in a park. He turned around and he pulled
1544
00:59:07.190 --> 00:59:09.530
the other pram over because he was quite strong and
1545
00:59:09.550 --> 00:59:11.949
he pulled child was kind of struggling to get.
1546
00:59:11.889 --> 00:59:13.630
Out of his pram.
1547
00:59:13.699 --> 00:59:15.639
And the mother came running and was like, your child
1548
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:19.400
just pulled my child's pram over. Sorry, he's only a
1549
00:59:19.420 --> 00:59:19.699
year old.
1550
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:21.139
I don't know how he.
1551
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.579
Did that.
1552
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:26.840
Gabby, we always like to end by asking.
1553
00:59:27.869 --> 00:59:29.969
Well, shall I ask it, Rob? Yeah, you go for it, Josh.
1554
00:59:29.989 --> 00:59:32.690
You know what the question is by now. Yeah, I do.
1555
00:59:32.710 --> 00:59:37.960
I'm across the format, aren't I? Is there anything that
1556
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.559
your husband does, parenting-wise, that annoys you, but you haven't
1557
00:59:42.619 --> 00:59:45.489
had the kind of guts or the reason to bring
1558
00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:47.789
up to their face? But if you said it now...
1559
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.730
It'd be a good way if he listened to this
1560
00:59:49.769 --> 00:59:50.989
for him to find out.
1561
00:59:51.250 --> 00:59:54.610
After 15 years, I pretty much tell Kenny when he
1562
00:59:54.650 --> 00:59:56.690
does something wrong on a daily basis.
1563
00:59:56.750 --> 00:59:59.579
I can't ever imagine you not, from working with you, Gabby,
1564
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:01.599
I can't imagine you biting your tongue if you think
1565
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:02.420
something needs to happen.
1566
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.360
One of the things that recently I've kind of been quite,
1567
01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:09.730
because he's, Kenny has become, and it's lockdown that's done
1568
01:00:09.769 --> 01:00:09.969
it to him.
1569
01:00:10.630 --> 01:00:12.369
I like a clean, tidy house. Don't get me wrong.
1570
01:00:12.449 --> 01:00:15.150
Right. But he has become obsessed. Like, you know, just
1571
01:00:15.329 --> 01:00:17.329
like there can never be anything out of place. And
1572
01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:19.469
he loves to get the dust buster out. He's dust busting.
1573
01:00:19.489 --> 01:00:21.219
And he's like he's all the time doing stuff like that.
1574
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.460
Kind of like just calm down, but just calm down.
1575
01:00:23.500 --> 01:00:26.539
You know, just like like let's just let something kind
1576
01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:28.579
of happen. You know, the pair of boots don't make
1577
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.340
it to the boot room within 20 seconds.
1578
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.099
You know, that's kind of like.
1579
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.260
So and he's and he's because the fury has kind
1580
01:00:34.300 --> 01:00:36.769
of like, you know, and so I've had to kind
1581
01:00:36.789 --> 01:00:39.409
of like recently just go, you've got to learn. There's
1582
01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:41.550
a sliding scale of things that kids do. Right.
1583
01:00:41.809 --> 01:00:43.889
That is kind of, you know, and this is really
1584
01:00:43.949 --> 01:00:44.809
not up there at the moment.
1585
01:00:44.829 --> 01:00:50.960
They're in lockdown. They're learning on computers all day long.
1586
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.920
I'm prepared to let the shoes go for a minute here.
1587
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:57.099
And let's just, you know. So, yeah, that's if he's listening,
1588
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:57.960
just let it go.
1589
01:00:58.599 --> 01:00:58.800
Yeah.
1590
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.619
It could be in a park with cider, couldn't it? Yeah, exactly.
1591
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.500
I think there is a point where I think tidiness
1592
01:01:05.539 --> 01:01:08.719
during lockdown is a real outlet for frustration. Do you
1593
01:01:08.739 --> 01:01:11.309
know what I mean? I find myself getting annoyed with
1594
01:01:11.510 --> 01:01:14.150
mess when I wouldn't have before, but I suppose it's
1595
01:01:14.170 --> 01:01:15.489
because you're in the house all the time.
1596
01:01:15.510 --> 01:01:17.389
You see it, don't you? Also, what you see is
1597
01:01:17.429 --> 01:01:19.889
broken stuff all the time. Last night, 10 o'clock, he's
1598
01:01:19.929 --> 01:01:22.710
got a miner's lamp on and he's screwing the dishwasher.
1599
01:01:22.829 --> 01:01:23.909
I was like, what are you doing?
1600
01:01:24.210 --> 01:01:25.849
He went, the door's not shutting how it used to.
1601
01:01:25.869 --> 01:01:26.230
I was like.
1602
01:01:26.269 --> 01:01:26.670
Yeah!
1603
01:01:26.869 --> 01:01:27.219
I'm like....
1604
01:01:29.329 --> 01:01:30.929
And you wouldn't care would you if you're out and
1605
01:01:30.969 --> 01:01:35.690
about places so so everything's got everything has to be
1606
01:01:35.789 --> 01:01:36.150
kind of.
1607
01:01:36.289 --> 01:01:38.670
Right yeah but i suppose he's like you know he
1608
01:01:39.090 --> 01:01:40.769
you know i know he's got business now and stuff
1609
01:01:40.829 --> 01:01:44.139
of the the outlet of playing rugby and that that
1610
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.380
you know when you've gone such high trending things and
1611
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.039
even i notice if not gigging i don't have my
1612
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.219
outlet or i can if whatever's happened that day i
1613
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:52.960
can just get on stage and then just let it
1614
01:01:53.139 --> 01:01:56.019
out in that routine and those jokes and stuff so Yeah,
1615
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.079
that's what I find essential.
1616
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:58.780
And I am very lucky because sport's been going on.
1617
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:00.340
So I get out of the house and I come
1618
01:02:00.389 --> 01:02:01.929
in and he'll say things like, what do people say?
1619
01:02:01.949 --> 01:02:03.309
Any conversations?
1620
01:02:03.630 --> 01:02:06.710
What are they wearing now?
1621
01:02:06.730 --> 01:02:10.260
What are they doing with their hair now? I cooked
1622
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.199
dinner last night and Lou was like next to me
1623
01:02:12.219 --> 01:02:12.780
as I was cooking dinner.
1624
01:02:12.820 --> 01:02:14.159
I was like, so should I have a good day?
1625
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:14.699
She went, yeah.
1626
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:19.389
And another literally what it feels like is imagine if
1627
01:02:19.429 --> 01:02:21.590
like and it's because of lockdown but it feels like
1628
01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:24.230
you know like you know a relationship doomed and there's
1629
01:02:24.309 --> 01:02:27.590
nothing left to say to each other but the reason
1630
01:02:27.610 --> 01:02:29.909
for that is lockdown but you know imagine that was
1631
01:02:29.949 --> 01:02:32.050
like that during the honest you went shall i just
1632
01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:33.639
go watch a telly yeah just go watch a telly
1633
01:02:34.889 --> 01:02:37.380
literally no one's done anything to talk.
1634
01:02:37.099 --> 01:02:40.139
About We started learning chess the other night. I said, right,
1635
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:42.300
we neither of us know how to play. Let's sit down, right,
1636
01:02:42.340 --> 01:02:44.320
and do this. And we went on some website where
1637
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.619
you had to play against the computer, basically, to learn.
1638
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.079
And Kenny started getting really, you know, the person we
1639
01:02:51.099 --> 01:02:53.179
were playing against was in America. He's going, he's thinking,
1640
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.639
look at these mavericks with their moves. And I'm like,
1641
01:02:55.659 --> 01:02:56.420
I don't think he is, actually.
1642
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.840
I think he's thinking those two are rubbish. And he
1643
01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:00.559
was so into it.
1644
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.179
And I thought, oh, he's like, he needs like some
1645
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.059
kind of outlet. He's like, competitive chess is not going
1646
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:06.639
to replace rugby, mate.
1647
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:07.539
It's not going to replace rugby.
1648
01:03:11.389 --> 01:03:13.960
Gabby it's been an absolute pleasure thank you so much
1649
01:03:14.179 --> 01:03:14.639
thank you for.
1650
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:19.090
Having me Gabby Logan there, Joshua.
1651
01:03:19.510 --> 01:03:22.369
Love Gabby Logan. Always been a fan of Gabby Logan.
1652
01:03:22.389 --> 01:03:24.389
Whenever you work with her, she's so much fun and
1653
01:03:24.429 --> 01:03:27.070
she always kind of, she brings an energy.
1654
01:03:27.269 --> 01:03:28.949
Yeah, she's a really, that's what I was saying, because
1655
01:03:28.969 --> 01:03:30.150
I didn't want it to sound like she's some sort
1656
01:03:30.170 --> 01:03:33.230
of like boring robot broadcaster when she's so on it
1657
01:03:33.250 --> 01:03:35.880
and knows exactly what she's doing, but she's just so professional.
1658
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:36.599
But she's fun.
1659
01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:39.719
Like when you do, let's bump into it, those corporate things,
1660
01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:42.000
she's like having a right laugh about all the people
1661
01:03:42.019 --> 01:03:42.780
that are there and stuff.
1662
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.099
She's quite, she's quite good value.
1663
01:03:44.260 --> 01:03:45.360
Are you slagging all the people off of.
1664
01:03:45.340 --> 01:03:47.239
You, Rob? Oh, let's face it, 1,000 people in a room,
1665
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.969
you've got 200 dickheads, surely. On bare minimum, mate, 400.
1666
01:03:50.969 --> 01:03:55.949
Whatever room you're in. What's the percentage? If you go
1667
01:03:55.989 --> 01:03:57.690
to a gig and you like the band, you ate
1668
01:03:57.710 --> 01:04:01.860
half the people there. She's great, isn't she, Gabby? Her
1669
01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:03.599
son sounds like an absolute whopper.
1670
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.800
Yeah, I know. You wanted to go, but you can't
1671
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.619
say the words, could I see a picture of your
1672
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:09.579
15-year-old son?
1673
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.539
That's true, but you kind of want.
1674
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:13.780
To, right?
1675
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.250
Yeah, please send me a picture of your giant child, please.
1676
01:04:16.289 --> 01:04:16.489
Yeah.
1677
01:04:18.230 --> 01:04:19.849
I wouldn't fancy my daughter show jumping, though.
1678
01:04:19.869 --> 01:04:21.670
Oh, God.
1679
01:04:21.849 --> 01:04:22.449
Every jump.
1680
01:04:24.550 --> 01:04:27.070
Yeah. I mean, were you good at rugby at school?
1681
01:04:27.349 --> 01:04:31.150
No, I was just fat. I hated rugby so much.
1682
01:04:31.170 --> 01:04:34.409
The worst thing about being an overweight teenager is people go.
1683
01:04:34.449 --> 01:04:36.980
In the scrum? No, they go, do you play rugby?
1684
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.440
No, I don't. But you're saying that because I'm a
1685
01:04:39.500 --> 01:04:45.269
fat boy. You're assuming I play. We never played rugby
1686
01:04:45.329 --> 01:04:47.590
at my school. We played it like once and it
1687
01:04:47.610 --> 01:04:49.849
was a load of fights. They just made us do basketball,
1688
01:04:49.909 --> 01:04:50.789
ping pong or football.
1689
01:04:51.130 --> 01:04:54.320
Ping pong? That's the only sports I did at school.
1690
01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:56.880
I never did anything else. We did cricket for an.
1691
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.039
Afternoon, but everyone used to just field on the boundary
1692
01:04:59.059 --> 01:05:00.780
and smoke in the woods.
1693
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:00.889
Wow.
1694
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.000
Do you feel like you're beyond being young now?
1695
01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:05.619
Yes.
1696
01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:07.889
So I still think of myself as like the new
1697
01:05:08.369 --> 01:05:11.369
young comedian kid, but I'm not anymore.
1698
01:05:11.389 --> 01:05:14.530
I've been doing it for like, what is it?
1699
01:05:14.530 --> 01:05:17.119
12, 13 years now. And I looked in the mirror
1700
01:05:17.139 --> 01:05:19.219
the other day and I've got a craggy little eyes.
1701
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.300
But I don't want to be. The problem is, because
1702
01:05:22.340 --> 01:05:24.739
I'm the smiley, young, excitable comedian.
1703
01:05:25.260 --> 01:05:27.059
How do you segue that into middle age?
1704
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:32.610
That's a tough segue. Before you know it, you're Joe Pasquale, mate. Oh, God.
1705
01:05:32.650 --> 01:05:34.710
But he's gone the other way. He started to wear
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01:05:34.750 --> 01:05:36.030
leather jackets and get tattoos.
1707
01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:40.269
What? Have you not seen him? I'm not across Joe Pasquale, really.
1708
01:05:40.369 --> 01:05:43.750
Google Joe Pasquale topless. I'm not falling for that again. Yeah.
1709
01:05:45.789 --> 01:05:47.309
He looks great though. Well done to him. He's got
1710
01:05:47.329 --> 01:05:49.650
absolutely hench, but I don't know what I'm going to do, Josh.
1711
01:05:49.690 --> 01:05:51.550
I've grown a beard, which I think is quite a
1712
01:05:51.570 --> 01:05:54.110
good middle ground because you don't want to be fresh faced.
1713
01:05:54.909 --> 01:05:59.300
Trying to continually be fresh face comedian is a tough ask. Like,
1714
01:05:59.619 --> 01:06:02.519
you know, and who's doing that still? Russell Howard's doing
1715
01:06:02.539 --> 01:06:05.480
it well still, but he's got ripped. He's had his
1716
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:07.820
eyes done and his teeth done. He's sort of, he's
1717
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.500
at this stage now, Russell Howard, where like, he looks incredible,
1718
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:11.840
isn't he?
1719
01:06:12.019 --> 01:06:12.260
Yeah.
1720
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.800
But I think a beard would set him off lovely now.
1721
01:06:15.099 --> 01:06:16.630
Yeah, but it's all right for you. You can grow
1722
01:06:16.670 --> 01:06:18.800
a beard. My beard's too patchy, too rubbish.
1723
01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:20.300
Yeah.
1724
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.139
It's hard to be fresh-faced comedian forever.
1725
01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:24.599
So you're going to have a dark middle stage to
1726
01:06:24.619 --> 01:06:25.380
your career then?
1727
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:27.900
I've just been watching the Tiger Woods documentary about his
1728
01:06:27.940 --> 01:06:29.219
downfall and then the resurgence.
1729
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.110
I'm watching that tonight. Can't wait.
1730
01:06:31.369 --> 01:06:32.829
He is a complicated man.
1731
01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:36.670
Well, do you know what? Yeah. We'll wait for Gabby
1732
01:06:36.690 --> 01:06:39.510
to interview Tiger Woods because he is. But we're always
1733
01:06:39.550 --> 01:06:42.090
here if you want to talk about, you know, parenting Tiger.
1734
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:42.900
We are here.
1735
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:43.480
Right.
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See you on Tuesday, people. Thank you very much for listening.
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Bye.