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Patrick Beverley (PART 2) | Russell Westbrook Fiasco, $2 MILLION in Debt, James Harden GOAT?, Antics

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The crew dives deep into the NBA with a fascinating conversation about Russell Westbrook, James Harden, and what it was like competing alongside and against some of the game’s biggest stars. They break down the league’s best defenders, discuss Doc Rivers and the Clippers, and explore what separates elite defensive players from everyone else. The conversation gets heated around theatrics, on-court antics, and Enes Kanter’s controversial comments about the WNBA. They also compare different NBA eras, reveal some of the toughest individual matchups, and share stories from their careers. Finally, the episode brings it full circle with a look back at reuniting with Russell Westbrook on the Lakers.

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00:00:05
Speaker 1: Yo, what's good?
00:00:05
Speaker 2: It's your boy T.A., man. And you already know we had our boy Pat Beverly on the pod, man. Three-hour episode, man. So tune in. This is part two. But before you do that, man, go to PrizePix and use promo code MUD. I said go to PrizePix and use promo code MUD. Now, let's get to the episode.
00:00:24
Speaker 1: Whoa, I got it out the mud. Put me last, gon' feel me first. Get me back, gon' do you worse. Same old size, gon' get you hurt.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: I spit facts in all my verse.
00:00:34
Speaker 1: Still might pull up and eat that church. I go up and down the race. Feel like they cursed me.
00:00:39
Speaker 3: Bet I go out like a thug. Bet I put something in the dirt. Guess I came up from the mud. It's a dial, nah, it's a shirt. Break the bitch, make her worse. Scrape to my head from out her purse. Hey, I come from the mud. They finally found that diamond in the dirt.
00:00:53
Speaker 2: Ice.
00:00:56
Speaker 1: Hey, kid, I got to make it, kid. This out the mud, man.
00:01:01
Speaker 4: And that's why, and we can talk about this later, that's why I don't like the Russell Rushbrook move.
00:01:06
Speaker 1: Congratulations.
00:01:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, big shout out to Russ. But I don't like locker room thing players like Russ. I don't like how they did them. I don't like how the media did them. Made the fan base have a different perspective about them. That caused the GMs and presidents of teams to have a different perspective about him.
00:01:27
Speaker 1: He was one of my best teammates I ever had.
00:01:29
Speaker 4: You can't tell me Lonnie Walker on the basketball team and Russell Westbrook ain't on the basketball team. That shit ain't right. That shit ain't right. You feel me? And that's just the honest to God truth. It ain't like he had a bad year. Y'all call him all these names. My man just shot 40% in the playoffs from the three.
00:01:43
Speaker 1: So what is it? You feel me? What is it? I don't get it. I don't get it. He had success with Denver Nuggets, Western Conference Finals.
00:01:51
Speaker 5: And I feel like he still, he got so much left in the tank still. He take care of himself.
00:01:55
Speaker 1: I don't like how he did. He still can play.
00:01:57
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times in these situations, man, we get our global guys that actually make an effect on the game. You know, our Iversons, our Carmelos, and you know what I'm saying? Like, I think they be so demonstrative and And a lot of people look at it as ego, but Mr. Passion and the other things that they go through and being that elite and so iconic. I think when it's that time for the other rap, when they say, well, it ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun, I think the owners always come together at that point in Superstar's career.
00:02:35
Speaker 1: We done seen this happen a lot of times.
00:02:37
Speaker 2: So a lot of people that pose got they flowers the right way, but that didn't get they flowers the right way.
00:02:42
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying? Because that's basically what you're saying. If not, give them another year.
00:02:46
Speaker 2: Let's have a Russell Westbrook tour.
00:02:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because Shorty deserved it. Shorty deserved it. Shorty deserved it.
00:02:52
Speaker 2: Shorty deserved it. Ever do it. Like to go to them seasons and average triple doubles.
00:02:59
Speaker 1: Come on, bro.
00:03:00
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about the ultimate competitor, the ultimate– 110%, we always talk about effort and a lot of times a lot of our stars, he gave that. You didn't have to question that. Triple doubles off the bench. Yeah, so when you brought that up, it's also like, yeah, but you misinterpret my passion and my love for the game just because I approach it.
00:03:26
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? I think that's overstood to a lot of people.
00:03:29
Speaker 4: But then you got people on media that be so fast to clown them, right? But then all of them now is, oh, Russell Brooks.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: No, no. Keep the same energy. Why is it like this? Y'all started this.
00:03:41
Speaker 4: This man's supposed to be in the league for another three, four years.
00:03:44
Speaker 1: At least. He is a small version of LeBron James. Come on, man. I ain't going to lie.
00:03:50
Speaker 4: Minus the championships, but when you talk about a pedigree of basketball players, that man is tough, bro.
00:03:55
Speaker 1: You make sense with that one. And the guard body? Yeah. The guard body. He is definitely LeBron James.
00:04:01
Speaker 5: I'd like to see him down there with the Heat, with Giannis.
00:04:05
Speaker 1: That'd be a nice fit. Look at Bo GM it right now. Look at Bo GM it right now. You ain't wrong. I just feel like he has a lot of years left. Brody got a lot left? I think so, right?
00:04:13
Speaker 5: I just saw his little brother yesterday, right? I got a chance to holla at him, man, so he got a lot left.
00:04:19
Speaker 1: He might be back. We don't know. He might be back. I hope he do.
00:04:22
Speaker 2: Speaking of Westbrook, at the time, because I remember at the time, a lot of people at one point thought y'all was beefing at one point. How was it, how refreshing was it to even become a teammate with bro at the time?
00:04:38
Speaker 1: Because, you know what I'm saying, well, you were at Houston, right? No, no, we was the Lakers.
00:04:43
Speaker 2: So y'all reunited with the Lakers, but I'm saying.
00:04:45
Speaker 1: We started, our beef started, I was with the Houston Rockets, he was OKC. Exactly. Explain it from there. So, my first year. First year in the NBA. Feel me? It's my first year. I come from.
00:05:03
Speaker 4: Overseas Russia to the NBA middle of the season. Houston Rockets playing the Bulls. They say, you want to meet the team in Chicago? I tell them, hell no.
00:05:13
Speaker 1: No.
00:05:15
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting in Houston. I go in Houston, I'm practicing, I'm doing this. I'm officially in the NBA now, T.A. I'm broke as hell. I got to get all this money back. My buyout, $ 1. 7 million. The NBA can only pay $ 450. I had to pay the rest. I put myself in debt coming.
00:05:32
Speaker 1: To the league. You got that in the song.
00:05:35
Speaker 2: For fucking negotiation off the rip.
00:05:37
Speaker 1: What you mean? I had to pay. I paid my own money to get to the NBA, bro. All the money I ever made overseas, I had to get all that shit back. I came to the NBA with like $ 7, 000 in my pocket.
00:05:48
Speaker 2: So business of basketball hit you. We ain't got to ask that question, Kajit. Hey, business of basketball hit you early. But it hit me to a point where I was like, because I done got cut.
00:05:56
Speaker 4: The Miami Heat story, I done went there and I got cut from them. Mike Miller get hurt. They cut me because I'm the cheapest person on the totem pole. They go get Jerry Stackhouse. That's how they got Stackhouse, I'll tell you.
00:06:05
Speaker 1: I remember Stackhouse. They replaced me for Stack. The little man on the podium pole, he make the cheapest money, get him out of here. Cool, cool, cool. Man, sorry. He didn't want to cut you. So, mind you, I got to go overseas again.
00:06:14
Speaker 4: So, now I'm in Russia. I signed in Russia. Biggest contract I never had in Russia. I signed the biggest contract. I'm second highest paid American in Eastern Europe and Europe. I'm got $ 1. 6 million a year. I'm 22 years old. I don't got NBA out, though. Because my man, I'm fucking NBA, man.
00:06:29
Speaker 1: They don't want me, man.
00:06:29
Speaker 6: I don't try that.
00:06:30
Speaker 1: I don't try that. I'm going to just build a career overseas. Cool. They give me all this money. I'm cool. NBA come calling.
00:06:34
Speaker 4: Houston Rockets. So, my buyout, 450. NBA can only pay that. I got to pay the rest. So I had to get all my bread back. So I come over here. I'm in a whole 7,000. Only thing in my bank account. I'm living with my mama in Houston, Texas. I got two kids. My mama already moved to Houston. I'm living with my mama and my girl in Houston. She going out. I'm going to my NBA game. She going out. She doing nails. We making this shit happen. We making this shit happen.
00:07:04
Speaker 1: Fuck it.
00:07:04
Speaker 4: You put your money together, son. Put my money together. We going to make this shit happen until shit you get. Get out the mud.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: Out the mud. You feel me? Right? Cool. All right, cool. Boom, you got kids. We can't keep doing this. Cool. Take out a $ 2 million loan. Cool. Bad.
00:07:16
Speaker 6: Boom.
00:07:17
Speaker 1: Magic.
00:07:17
Speaker 4: I signed a non-guaranteed contract with the Rockets, bro. Y'all not hearing me, bro. Anytime I break my motherfucking ankle, my career is absolutely shattered over with. I'm in a whole $ 2 million. I signed a three-year non-guaranteed. My first three years, all non-guaranteed. Bro, we playing with something different, man.
00:07:35
Speaker 1: Come from, man. Out the motherfucking mud.
00:07:37
Speaker 4: I'm talking about non-guaranteed. I'm talking about any time, ACL, Achilles, any time, it's over with.
00:07:43
Speaker 1: It's over with.
00:07:43
Speaker 4: I ain't got a dime in my name. I gave all my money up, and I'm $ 2 million in debt.
00:07:48
Speaker 2: Cool.
00:07:50
Speaker 4: My first year, we played on Western Westbrook. Mind you, I don't know any of these guys' personalities, anything. Only thing I just know is NBA 2K. I don't know nobody. I don't know who they are in the NBA, obviously I know the status of it, you feel me?
00:08:05
Speaker 1: But I don't know the personalities, I don't know the friendships.
00:08:08
Speaker 2: No, all the overseas cats understand your mindset. I understand your mindset, but speak. You know what I'm saying?
00:08:14
Speaker 1: I don't understand what James meant to OKC, because they just traded him. You feel me? He still cool with them? What the fuck going on here? That shit weird. I don't know.
00:08:22
Speaker 4: What the fuck going on? Chandler Parsons. All the white girls on Chandler Parsons. Every time we land somewhere, people on Chandler Parsons. I'm like, what the fuck going on? Jalen right here, every time we go somewhere, it's a thousand Asian people. One thousand Asian people at the bus every night we land.
00:08:40
Speaker 1: Fan base. I'm like, bro, what is going on? James Harden is James Harden. He rockstarred out. He doing his thing. Triple-double, triple-double, triple-double. Bro, what the fuck is going on? Okay, we got OKC.
00:08:50
Speaker 4: First round, Francisco Garcia was my vet. Shout out to Francisco. He, you about to make your name. They gonna remember you forever in this playoffs.
00:09:01
Speaker 1: I got a feeling. Before the game, I'm putting on my jersey. Real ones. Watch. I go. Coach put me in. Get some layups. Float on. I got six, eight points. Feeling good on playoffs.
00:09:15
Speaker 6: It's up.
00:09:16
Speaker 1: Russ get the ball. It's competitive. Russ get the ball. He got that bitch. He about to call timeout. But at the time, players don't call timeout. The coaches call it. And at the time, they had a player, OKC, where they bring ball off the court. Fake it. And he go and get it. Monkey, I'm talking about, he in the lane, like, he go left timeout.
00:09:38
Speaker 2: And we going to run the plays back on when he did that a hundred times.
00:09:42
Speaker 1: Thank you. So a lot of people don't understand that. Out the mud. Out the mud.
00:09:46
Speaker 4: That's why we get the platform. So me, right, I got to do, I'm trying to do everything correct. I don't want to get hit with this and get put on film. That's my first year. In my mind, I'm thinking, man, if I make any mistakes, I'm out the league.
00:09:58
Speaker 1: For real, these coaches, they go, man, that man, I watched this man do this left to right, boom, go dunk it. So he getting the ball, he going left to right. I try to go steal it. I clip him. I don't know what's going on. He finished game. He had like 29, he finished game. Everything cool, we end up losing. He go....
00:10:19
Speaker 4: We go back to Houston after game one because Coach McHale, we were so close to OKC, the flight was easy. They go, I walk in there, Coach McHale come up to me, hey, listen, just to let you know, Russell Westbrook, Taurus Meniscus, he's out for the series.
00:10:36
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shit, we got a chance. We got a chance to win. It's up. I'm not even thinking. Not one thought in my head is about, I'm about to be blamed for Not one thought, not one thought in my mind was like, you the.
00:10:51
Speaker 4: Reason this happened. And only thing I'm thinking is, we got a chance to win.
00:10:55
Speaker 1: We got a chance to win. We the AC, we got OKC, Russ out, we got a chance to win. I practiced. I had to practice. The media come. Thousands of media people interviewed me. I was like, what's going on? You're like, damn. So how do you take this pressure of hurting Russell Westbrook? I was. I just found out.
00:11:18
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on. Yeah, he's out for the, you know, he's played 300 games in a row. He's never been hurt. Just that they putting all the numbers on me. Imagine, I'm freshly overseas from Russia.
00:11:29
Speaker 1: I'm half of me speaking Russian. If I don't, what y'all talking about hurt? I ain't hurt him. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do nothing to hurt him. Like, you feel me? So, Coach McHale hit me with the Russell Westbrook hurt. You feel me?
00:11:43
Speaker 4: Like, I'll just let you know. And my mindset was, okay, cool, we got a chance to win now. All right, cool. We get to practice. After the media come before practice, we get to practice. Coach say, hey, this is about to happen. Man, I'm always coming off the bench. This is about to happen. Beverly, you're starting.
00:12:03
Speaker 1: I'm like, what? Damn. I'm like, what? I'm starting. I'm starting. Yeah, you, Jalen, Chandler Parsons, James Harden, Amir Sheik.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: We're going small. You're starting. Anybody see Bev, just run. Bev, anytime you see anyone in front of you, just throw it on the ball. I don't want you dribbling. I don't want anything.
00:12:20
Speaker 1: Just advance the ball. Advance the ball. We want to play fast. I say, all right, cool.
00:12:24
Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
00:12:25
Speaker 1: I leave that. My mama got my man out there. I'm starting. I'm starting. I'm starting. I leave that. I pull over. Before I get home, Z-Bo, bro, I pull over. Raise him like a wall. I call my mama. What? Hey, mama. I'm starting. She, what? I'm starting. Game tour to playoff? I'm starting. I'm starting. I get out, bend the knee. Thank God I'm crying. You got to think. You're humble. He humble, y'all. You got to think. You're a humble guy. This guy is good.
00:12:51
Speaker 3: What?
00:12:52
Speaker 2: Man.
00:12:52
Speaker 1: You got to understand.
00:12:53
Speaker 4: I couldn't wait to get out there just to let these emotions out. I called my mama and I was crying on the side.
00:12:58
Speaker 1: Mama, I did. I knew it, man. Thank you so much. Thank you. Crying. Crying. Right.
00:13:02
Speaker 4: I'm not even thinking about Russell Westbrook hurting. I don't even know what's going on with Andrew. I just got the best news of my entire life that I am a starting point guard on an NBA playoff team.
00:13:14
Speaker 1: Man, I get in that arena. I see police in front. What the fuck? What's going on? I come in there. Two police come next to me. Look up Coach McHale. Don't worry. Everything's okay. What's going on? James, what's y'all room number? Eight something. I'm only playing on number five. I go to my room. It's two security guards outside my door. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? They done put hit out on me. Ball boys say, we go kill Patrick Bradley, come to OKC. People don't know that. They had to fire the ball boy. Day before, I got a picture of him all around the thing. If y'all see him, yeah, all that.
00:13:53
Speaker 4: It's a real thing. Kill Patrick Bradley. They had to fire ball boy, y'all. They got police next to my mom and everything.
00:13:58
Speaker 1: They got a police escort in my house in Houston, and I'm in OKC. Y'all not hearing me. This is my first year at the NBA, bro. I'm broke as hell. What year is this? When Russ got hurt? What year? 2000. What year did Russ get injured?
00:14:11
Speaker 2: Damn, bro.
00:14:11
Speaker 1: Nigga like first year, he like trying to get in. What? 21?
00:14:13
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
00:14:14
Speaker 1: The year he got hurt. Trying to get his ass in. It should be 12. Man, I'm not trying to be under, I'm grinding. I'm trying to get my ass in.
00:14:40
Speaker 3: I ain't thinking about it.
00:14:48
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: So that was my first NBA career. Mind you, I'm broke. I ain't got none. I went from that to, okay, I'm in the NBA now, right? I went from that to, I'm starting in the NBA now. I went from that to public enemy number one in the world. You injured Russell Redsburg. You fucked up our chance at OKC. We were supposed to have been winning the championship. It shouldn't have took Shea to get our championship. We were supposed to have been running the championship. You fucked up. That's still whispering today, Dan. You ain't hearing me.
00:15:20
Speaker 2: So mentally for you, I'm saying, how do you take that in? Because it's far from the truth. That one hit way different. It was everywhere. It was everywhere. It was everywhere I went that summer.
00:15:32
Speaker 1: It was everywhere. It was everywhere. It's still everywhere. He just read off the internet, collision with Patrick. It's everywhere. It was everywhere. It was you, the guy that hurt Mr. Unhurtable. He paid 370 games in a row before then. This all happened. I'm here to tell you, he was a motherfucker before then and after too.
00:15:54
Speaker 2: It seemed like after he turned into another motherfucker.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Hey, listen.
00:16:01
Speaker 2: So you ain't there but never woke up a beat. He was a show hall of fame. It's good for us to hear that side of you because a lot of people, I'm pretty sure our viewers are going to see this and they're going to say, that's what happened.
00:16:12
Speaker 1: But in reality, he was even more, stronger, tougher. His bounce back was crazy. And so now every time we play each other, it's pure smoke.
00:16:24
Speaker 2: And y'all ultimately came together, and so to even see how it came off in a circle.
00:16:30
Speaker 1: Then it went crazy on some like, I get the hit from Bron. I'm going to free at you. What you doing? What's up? Say less.
00:16:41
Speaker 4: I already knew what that meant. I'm about to be like, all right, cool. I had my press conference. I fucking walk in, Coach Hamm, Russell Westbrook, God damn.
00:16:57
Speaker 1: Mind you, we ain't spoke, we ain't, yeah, I'm sorry about that bullshit. None of that.
00:17:02
Speaker 4: Only time I seen Russ, shout out to Russ too because of this. Only time I seen Russ was at Chapel at 60.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: Chapel, dude. Chapel, yo. At 60. I ain't never missed a chapel. Got to go in chapel. Got to never miss a chapel. That's right. Russ ain't never missed a chapel. Those who don't know what chapel, we get a chance before the game, 60 minutes on the clock, you get your mind right with God. You go get your mind right, go pray. They got a chapel in the past in there.
00:17:25
Speaker 4: He give you the word. Every team has this. One of the greatest things I think the NBA has.
00:17:29
Speaker 1: That's right. So every time I see Russ, I see him in chapel. Whole time. Are we playing OKC? Are we playing any team, y'all? I don't even hear the word. I'm just looking at him. I'm looking at his legs. I'm looking at his mother's toes. I'm looking at him like, what do you on? He ain't even looking my way. I'm like, ooh, it's up tonight. Okay, cool, right? So, I can't even hear the word of God. I can't even hear the word of God, people. I'm looking, what do you on? What do you on here? Is he going to try to swing off on me? What do you on?
00:18:00
Speaker 2: Right?
00:18:02
Speaker 4: So, I see him. We bump each other with the Lakers. And he was the first person in my press conference. My mama get down my press conference office. Give me a hug and shit. We ain't have the same thing. Next thing you know, we start hanging around each other. Next thing you know, we celebrating Christmas together, bro. Me and Russ, bro, we celebrated Christmas together. On the road versus Dallas Mavericks. Christmas game. Bron go crazy. The night before, they got a big Christmas dinner. He ain't got his folks there. My mom and them show up. He eating at the table.
00:18:32
Speaker 1: We got a picture. Me, my sister, my mom. My mom, husband, all for us.
00:18:38
Speaker 4: Me and Russell, we just walking through that little Dallas hotel together for Christmas.
00:18:41
Speaker 1: And that's what I know. The Crescent Court. Crescent Court. Got the noble in the corner. Got the noble in the corner. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:49
Speaker 2: And that's what I want our viewers to know, man. Like, you definitely a fan, a brother, and got plenty games under your belt playing against him and playing with him. So he's family. It's our fraternity. And we salute him, homie, and giving him his praise.
00:19:03
Speaker 1: Straight up, for sure. He deserves it. Meanwhile, you was talking about Houston, man.
00:19:09
Speaker 2: Your time in Houston, you got a chance to play with James Harden, arguably one of the best scores at the two position in.
00:19:17
Speaker 1: Your belief, right? Number three. Number three. Oh, number three. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant.
00:19:23
Speaker 2: Talk to us about some of the things you picked up, not only just being around him and, you know, just playing a lot of big games with him.
00:19:33
Speaker 1: So....
00:19:35
Speaker 4: At the time, we were young, we were super young, right? So we like this, twin. I'm at his house, feel me? First month I ever seen drive Rolls-Royce. Mind you, I only drive Rolls-Royce. I only drive Rolls-Royce. All my cars I've ever had since him is Rolls-Royce. I was going, what kind of car is this?
00:19:56
Speaker 1: Right?
00:19:57
Speaker 4: That's the Rolls Royce you got to get you on that contract. That's my second year at NBA. I'm living in the house of my mama. You're talking about the Rolls Royce.
00:20:04
Speaker 2: Right?
00:20:05
Speaker 1: So me and Beer, we click fast because we're around the same age. You feel me?
00:20:09
Speaker 4: We've seen each other growing up on the college levels and all that shit.
00:20:12
Speaker 1: So we click fast. We click fast, super fast. My best friend. It's my dog, my brother right now.
00:20:19
Speaker 4: Basketball-wise, though, when it came to him working hard, I ain't never seen nobody work hard like him at that time.
00:20:28
Speaker 1: To me, Kawhi is my number one. James is my number two. And it's deceiving, too, though.
00:20:33
Speaker 2: Now, as a guy that stuck him, looking at his body physique, you know what I'm saying?
00:20:37
Speaker 1: He didn't look.
00:20:38
Speaker 2: He got the Z, like the guard Z, boy. His body like the guard. He's strong as fuck. He's strong as fuck.
00:20:44
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what I'm saying? Y'all can't tone up right here. Right where? That arm. Like, right here, they get swung back here. You can see them a little bit, but right here, they don't get swung. Yeah, that's how beer was. That's how beer was. was like that.
00:20:59
Speaker 2: And so to say that he was working like that, it makes sense on why he was so fucking prolific.
00:21:06
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this.
00:21:08
Speaker 4: When it comes to IQ in basketball, he's the smartest basketball player I ever played with in my entire life.
00:21:14
Speaker 1: How? He was laying the two with OKC. He put it in perspective. Okay, so when I say that, I mean.
00:21:20
Speaker 2: How you transition like that? You transition, but you seen dude transition too. He was a natural point, though. He was a natural point. Remember that play you used to run in the corner for him at OKC? Nick Collison, act like he finished shooting, then dribble handoff. That was his only action when he was at OKC.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:21:37
Speaker 4: You got to think, T.A., I've never been around a better passer in my entire life. I play with all of them. T.A., he throw you the ball. And both of y'all, we ball playing the league. He throw you that bitch, he throw you the rock, and you don't have to fix the seams.
00:21:54
Speaker 1: That's a nice point, God. Right. That's a nice point, guys. Y'all hear what I'm saying? You don't have to.
00:22:03
Speaker 1: You don't have to.
00:22:04
Speaker 4: He throw you the ball every time in your shooting pocket, and you don't have to fix the seams, bro.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: You can just catch it and let it fly. Every single pass he's ever threw to me, it was on the seams. Word. Diamond in my mouth. This is what I'm talking about, Elite. That statistically, when we talk about pick and roll, statistically, he's the best pick and roll basketball player to ever play the game. He changed the game three times. Especially with that. I hated him, Pat. Pat, I hated him, Pat. Impact on him was great.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: Remember I ripped your ass that day y'all came to Memphis? I ain't going to lie. I ripped your ass right back.
00:22:43
Speaker 1: He ripped me. He brought the film. And he got that bitch. I took that bitch right back.
00:22:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: We go here.
00:22:47
Speaker 2: We go some stealing motherfuckers that day. Meanwhile, that day he only had four points. He was on the average of averaging 40 points a game. That's your man, Zane. I heard you disrespect one of the Shatown legends, man.
00:22:58
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You're getting brought up on charges right now. Tell me how you feel. I'm going to tell you how I feel.
00:23:04
Speaker 2: Dwayne Wade is an icon from Chicago, man.
00:23:08
Speaker 1: He made it out of the slums. Agreed. In the 51st Street slum area. He from there, first way, moved to Rich.
00:23:15
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to tell you, bro, when you see that man over him with a two or three, is it three? I don't want to disrespect homies. Dwayne Wade, three-time champion. Three-time champion. multiple All-NBAs. We could do the resume game all you want. But where you from in our city, we honor that trophy, man. We don't talk about the GOATs being the GOATs of our city. All our GOATs got rings. Juwan Howard, Twan Walkers, you know, the D-Ways, you know, you just name them. Tony Allen, you know what I'm saying? But what I'm trying to say is how do you see him over our GOAT? Because you've... I'm just missing it. Because barbershop talk now, it ain't nothing personal. But barbershop talk wise, I'm saying, wait.
00:24:07
Speaker 1: I disagree with that one, Pat. And you got a fair point. But as you stated, right, as you stated, them Yo-Goats. Okay. Disagree, disagree.
00:24:19
Speaker 4: I didn't come up watching. I didn't watch nobody in the NBA. I ain't come up watching Juwan Howell. I ain't come up watching Dwyane Wade. I come up watching one person, Will Byron. Only person in the summertime that sat me down and told me what I needed to take to get to the NBA. That's my goat. So I'm not even looking at the championships and all that. I'm looking at it just as a basketball player. As a basketball player. I came to you and tell you, T.A., you got the most steals. You got the most blocks. You got the most charges. You got the most defensive rebounds. You got the most deflections. You got the most onus of two-on-one. Coming back, you break up every two-on-one. But I call Z-Bo the best defender. You can look at me like I'm crazy.
00:25:08
Speaker 1: Hold on, man. Hold on.
00:25:09
Speaker 4: So now when I name James Harden, I name him the best, most in points, MVP, most in assists, a tie for steals, most in wins, and I get the name and all this thing.
00:25:19
Speaker 1: How can I say another person is?
00:25:21
Speaker 4: When I just name, if Z-Bo, if you had all that more than Z-Bo, and I tell you that Z-Bo is a better defender than you, you gonna look at me like I'm crazy.
00:25:27
Speaker 1: You gonna actually call me crazy. You go, bro, you don't just hear what you just said, bro? How the hell I got all these defensive awards and all I'm better than what this man got individual-wise, and you gonna call this man better than me? You know why? Because he dribbled the ball 900 times.
00:25:42
Speaker 2: It's a stat on that man dribbling that ball so much that he got no choice but to make the match. But it also takes another type of discipline and it takes another type of inner superstar to be able to do multiple things, sacrifice. and be able to play together and still star in my role. I think that's hard, far harder than just me going out there, open gym, AAU, what I've been used to all my whole year, all my whole life. I just think that it take being around champions, seeing Paul Pierce say, man, you know, I average 28 points a game this year, man, with the garbage at the team.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: I get some great players around me. You know what? I pass the ball a little bit. I sit back.
00:26:22
Speaker 2: You see, I just disagree with him not being able to take that part of his game and say, you know what, give me some help. Let me turn down the bankroll. Let me put the icing on my cake, meaning let me go and get me a ring. So when we talk about D-Wade, D-Wade did that. They call him Flash. He from Chicago, man. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't letting nothing go above you.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what the media talking about.
00:26:48
Speaker 2: But for Chicago, I'm going to always rep that.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: And I just.
00:26:51
Speaker 2: Felt like, bro, play with him. And he fucked with him. That's why he rocking like that, because dude showed you how to do it the right way. But on my side of it, I'm just looking at it like, damn, bro. Dude won with Twan. He was the man. I'm talking about the man with a whole bunch of old heads. You feel what I'm saying? Shaq gave him the keys. He knew how to be the man. Bron came, now you the man. He passed the keys and won. You feel what I'm saying? And won again. But know how it feels on both levels. Like, I could be the man. Yeah, well, if I want to keep my legacy going, let me sacrifice. And I think that's the biggest part of what James Harden ain't done, bro. And that's your man. I ain't saying nothing bad about him. He fucked me up a few times with a couple games. But I honestly think that D-Wade gets that nod because he took that sacrifice and said, bro, you know what?
00:27:50
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on past the toilet, bro.
00:27:52
Speaker 2: You look good in this little spot right here.
00:27:56
Speaker 1: I'm going to scoot over. I'm with you. And I hate this.
00:27:59
Speaker 2: I don't want this to sound too crazy, but I'm going to move from Michael Jordan and be Scottie Pippen. And I don't think Jane Hart ever done that, so I can't never take him over D-Wade, and he done won three rings and did it both ways.
00:28:14
Speaker 4: So my thing is this, if you put it, I understand clearly what you're saying. And mind you, I had this debate with people about this all the time, right? But if you're forced to be put in a position where you have to.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: You ain't forced. Listen to what I'm saying.
00:28:28
Speaker 4: If you're forced to be in a position where the team is using you for everything, they're using you for pick and roll, they're using you for ISO, they're using you for playmaking abilities, where that comes with. Passing the ball, this person scoring, you scoring, right? You tell him if he's being used for all of this, all season long, you think when it comes to game six or game seven, he going to be in.
00:28:49
Speaker 1: What type of shape? This is what the brand of basketball has put on him. Oh, yeah. He do fatigue. He fatigue. And then you wonder why. And then we say, oh, no, he choking. Y'all done asked me to make every single play for every single minute of every single game. I'm not hurt. I always play. You tell me, T.A., you tell me. This man has never missed the playoffs. It's levels to winning. True. that right it's levels to championship right this d wade has come from a a a batch of we just spoke with the miami heat culture was right you put james harden in that culture that's a totally different player also d wade didn't have the players he had right but the culture that d wade had was very different was very different than a lot of coaches than every coach in the NBA. You give me a young James Harden, you put him in that Miami Heat, in them same positions. They win the seventh. You got to keep your jersey tucked. You got to keep knee pads on. You got to have a certain type of body fat. We talking about a totally different player also. And we talking about this person who got the keys thrown at him every team he goes and has never missed a playoffs. He's never had to take a backseat to be Robin when he's always been Batman. He was always forced to be Batman. Only team he lost to consistently was the best team to ever play fucking basketball. Golden State Warriors.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: A dynasty team. I love a dynasty team. You got a point, bro. I see why you say that. But I'm just saying, and this is a good conversation.
00:30:20
Speaker 1: No, it's a great conversation because I need hoopers to talk about it with. You need hoopers.
00:30:24
Speaker 2: And not only that, we stuck these people. You know, I just got out of the motherfucking turmoil with your mans.
00:30:32
Speaker 1: Who? They say he a better defender than me. They're in the same situation. All right, go ahead.
00:30:39
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00:31:55
Speaker 1: No, hold on, hold on. I ain't forgetting nothing. I'm a little journeyman. I know. We, we.
00:32:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
00:32:03
Speaker 1: Hey, look, you ain't did this yet. Hey, y'all record. Hey, he ain't did this yet, so we having a good time.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
00:32:10
Speaker 1: When he do this, he finna start popping it. I'm having a good time. I don't have to do it. I don't have to do it. I'm wrestling real nice. We're popping them niggas.
00:32:17
Speaker 2: Look, when he do this, he ready to make a major point.
00:32:21
Speaker 1: You know I'm locked in and subscribed. You know I'm locked in and subscribed. Right, right, right, right.
00:32:27
Speaker 2: But no, in all honesty, though, when those controversies come up, man, and it be like, all right, we speak on some. I only speak on a lot of topics, like, only if I lived it, played it, and I went through it. In those battles, I played in the top of the top of the game. And so I'm glad that you're here because I just left out a situation, man, on the media, man.
00:32:50
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you was in a pickle. Oh, man, I didn't know the media was that hectic. Hey, LeBron fans, crazy. But us as....
00:32:57
Speaker 2: Fraternity brothers, we get the right to have these conversations.
00:33:02
Speaker 1: We get the right to have it more than the media. Straight up.
00:33:05
Speaker 6: Agreed.
00:33:05
Speaker 2: You might think I'm different or whatever, but I'm just wired different too, though. So when we talk about defense, man, you're one of the first people to ask about it. I just want to ask you a question because LeBron, your man, you know, I'm pretty sure you learned a lot from him, got a lot from him. But one thing for sure, two for certain, When the conversation came up about the top defenders in the world. At that time, what was the question? The top defenders of today, right now, ranking right. If we got to rank right now, they rank me number 23. Man, that's bullshit. I feel I'm too low. Mind you, I went on the list. So you should feel some type of way.
00:33:45
Speaker 1: I don't went on the list. Hold on. I wish y'all could break down this.
00:33:49
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of people you might look at that list and be like, hold on, you got your views about. And if we hear your views about him, Pat Bear, you made.
00:33:58
Speaker 1: A first team all defense. Two second teams. Two second teams.
00:34:02
Speaker 3: Mr.
00:34:02
Speaker 1: Hustle Award. Mr. Hustle Award.
00:34:04
Speaker 2: Bro, your job, if they look at, I'm not even going to get on me yet in the Bronx. I'm saying Pat Beverly, nightly line of work might be Darren.
00:34:14
Speaker 1: Williams, Cary Irvin. James Harden. James Harden. Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook. Steph Curry. Steph Curry. Dame Lillard. Paul George. Kevin Durant. You ain't heard not one Terrence Ross. Oh, man. DeMar DeRozan. Zach Levine. All-league guy averaged over 20 points a game.
00:34:36
Speaker 2: So now I'm asking you, for a guy that had that nightly action, you telling me you're not going to pick up a craft that's locking down and being a piece to a puzzle and making it your expertise to night in, night out, you telling me somebody who choose to do that at the last five, six minutes of the game could do what I do.
00:35:01
Speaker 1: Better than me? No.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is why am I ranked that high?
00:35:07
Speaker 1: I mean, why am I ranked.
00:35:08
Speaker 2: That low and a guy that's known for getting 40-some thousand points be ahead of me? I don't have a debate with that.
00:35:15
Speaker 1: No, you do. I think you're asking the wrong question.
00:35:20
Speaker 4: Right, I think you, I think, and what I've understood of.
00:35:23
Speaker 1: All them landslides, y'all. I got this, I got this.
00:35:30
Speaker 4: So what you have to understand, right, and it took me a while to understand this, and I gained a lot of knowledge from being around Kawhi, because he's statistically, analytically, he's really, he understands it. So what you have to understand is these are media votes, right? So when you think about media votes, and there's no disrespect to the media votes, This is why we got to come to some type of different type of criteria. But when you come to media votes, it's how do you look in the camera lately? How do you look in the camera lately? If you was dressed like that from the beginning of your career and you finished your career and you were Mike Conley, you would be ranked way ahead. Now, if you ask coaches in the NBA about defensive players, their list would be totally different. But guys that actually do that. The coaches list. Who stopped me from running my motherfucking offense?
00:36:25
Speaker 1: Pat Baff did. Tony Allen did. And that's what matters. How can you ask the media? Who do the media talk to? GMs? They don't talk to players. Analytical bugs.
00:36:37
Speaker 4: We got guys who've never played the game.
00:36:41
Speaker 1: And analytically, if you go even analytics... You're supposed to be ranked higher. I'm supposed to be ranked higher. If you even go analytics, right? Even if you go numbers, right? But they don't... And with the analytics, it misses a big part of everything. With the analytics, it misses impact on game. Right?
00:36:59
Speaker 4: I might not get a steal, but Damian Lillard didn't catch the ball. Another bum motherfucker had.
00:37:06
Speaker 1: To shoot it. Good D. See, it shows up in different areas. And that's my point.
00:37:14
Speaker 2: So a lot of slack I was getting was, he play a lot of positions on the field. He can be the safety, so to speak. He could come trap and then get back to his man. Maybe he could be off a non-shooter and be more in Rome and get that weak side block.
00:37:32
Speaker 1: Maybe he can't get a steal.
00:37:34
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody could turn it over and maybe he in position on the wing to where, okay, it's easy for him to chase that position.
00:37:39
Speaker 4: But they're not gauging it like that. You're missing my point. You're missing my point. They're not gauging it. What they're talking about, they're talking about the now and the team defense at the time.
00:37:51
Speaker 1: At that time. I understand that. What we do is a line of work. They don't understand that. We take pride in, though. They don't understand that. Do you know how much.
00:38:00
Speaker 2: Energy it take for you to average 25 points and you lead the game with 19?
00:38:04
Speaker 1: Damn right. Seven for 23. To get that 19.
00:38:11
Speaker 2: Do you know how much honor and praise I get when I walk in that locker room?
00:38:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, T.A., way to hold shit down, T.A. And guess how many points I had? Seven. Six. Man, don't play on me, man. Fuck you, man.
00:38:25
Speaker 2: You over.
00:38:26
Speaker 1: From me. From him. Is there any media in there after the game? Is there any media in there? Ain't nobody talking to me. I know.
00:38:36
Speaker 4: When you go in the locker room and they give you your NCAA way to lock that motherfucker up, you don't see no media around.
00:38:41
Speaker 1: Nobody.
00:38:42
Speaker 4: That's why when it comes to these type of awards and these type of sands, you have to go players and coaches.
00:38:49
Speaker 2: And I just didn't understand that while I was getting there. So I kind of understood what you was getting.
00:38:55
Speaker 1: There from a time.
00:38:55
Speaker 4: But that year, though, that year, he had a valid point, though.
00:38:59
Speaker 1: They were the best.
00:39:00
Speaker 4: They were one of the best defensive teams. in the NBA and his team went further than your team. So if this was vice versa, you want the same pickle. Like I said, one more time.
00:39:11
Speaker 1: Yo, man, what good is that? Pulling that motherfucker's stats up on me, nigga. Hold on. I don't get that.
00:39:16
Speaker 2: You acting like them analytical guys, man.
00:39:19
Speaker 1: Pat, don't do that, bro.
00:39:20
Speaker 4: I got to because I have to give you knowledge of it. It helps you. It helps, like, on the long run.
00:39:26
Speaker 1: Out the mud. Okay. We're going to have an out the mud straightener. Okay. the mud straightened.
00:39:32
Speaker 4: Okay, come on. 2012, 2013, all defensive team. This was the problem right here.
00:39:42
Speaker 1: What was the problem, Pat? Marc Gasol got defensive player of the year. Right. That's our brother. Dwight was shitty. Right.
00:39:50
Speaker 4: Now you tell me this, you're an offensive guy. You're an offensive guy, right? You get motherfucking buckets. Can't nobody stop you. I done seen the strongest people, the tallest people, the most athletic people. I done seen people taller than you. I done seen people shorter than you.
00:40:02
Speaker 1: I done seen people switch. I done seen people double team.
00:40:06
Speaker 4: I done seen everybody do whatever they wanted to do defensively on you, but they could not stop you for whatever reason.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: You jumped this motherfucker high. You game with a little more on the inverted. Okay. I'm talking about.
00:40:21
Speaker 7: Fuck.
00:40:21
Speaker 1: You feel me? But feel me? But explain this to me.
00:40:24
Speaker 4: If I read this to you, and this is offense, and I read these names to you, and I read Tony Allen, first team, Chris Paul, first team, LeBron James, first team, Serge Ibaka, first team, Tyson Chandler, first team, Joaquin.
00:40:35
Speaker 1: Noel, first team, right? That's the first team. How many players is that? Six, right?
00:40:40
Speaker 4: And this is offense, right? And I named Avery Bradley, second team. Mike Conley, second team. Paul George, second team. Tim Duncan, second team. Marc Gasol, second team. How the fuck is he the defensive player of the year?
00:40:52
Speaker 1: He's second team. Name this first team again. I'm trying to tell you. I'm finna tell you where it went wrong at. I'm finna tell you where it went wrong at. And you on first team. And Kawhi Leonard was on second team.
00:41:07
Speaker 2: And he got MVP. You're going to be looking like, what's going on? It would have been two upset motherfuckers.
00:41:15
Speaker 1: I'd be shitty.
00:41:16
Speaker 2: It's six people on the first team though, Z-Bo. He just said the media is the motherfuckers. What he just said.
00:41:25
Speaker 1: The media.
00:41:25
Speaker 2: So now, how the fuck is this six motherfuckers on a situation where a motherfucker been polled to be first team, second team?
00:41:33
Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler and Joaquin Noah, they tied. Tyson Chandler and LeBron James, motherfucker. Say what it is, bro. Tyson Chandler and Joaquin Noah, they tied. It says tied. It says tied. They said it's tight. They got the same vote.
00:41:44
Speaker 2: You just said it, bro. The defensive player of the year is supposed to be first team. Okay, so whether it's Tyson Chandler or LeBron James, which one of y'all want to go downstairs?
00:41:52
Speaker 1: No, no. It was Joaquin Noah and Tyson Chandler. They tied. They tied. They tied. So your argument should be this. This should be your argument. Who was, I'm saying six people. I know, but you got the wrong argument. Two motherfuckers got to go. Your argument should be. It's on the island, bro. It's on the island already. But your argument. You know I had to grin grand to get where I'm going.
00:42:12
Speaker 2: Now all them politics after that, it's either Mark, the other motherfucker, and another motherfucker.
00:42:18
Speaker 4: That's three motherfuckers got to figure out what is going on. But your argument at the wrong people, your argument should be pointed at one person.
00:42:24
Speaker 1: No, he the one said it. He said he felt like he pulled ahead at that award. That year he was. How the fuck he felt like he pulled ahead at that award? I'm first team. I'm standing on shit.
00:42:33
Speaker 2: In Memphis, me and my nigga, Marc Gasol, standing on shit.
00:42:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ain't first, but he first with me. Yeah. Because if I stand on first, he was first. You see what I'm saying? No, no, he's actually second. But he first with me. I understand.
00:42:45
Speaker 2: So how the fuck you just buckhead through all this first and second shit acting like you pulled me the crown and they got you?
00:42:52
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Because of what you just told me.
00:42:54
Speaker 4: What you told me with Dwyane Wade would make him better than James Harden because his team wins.
00:42:58
Speaker 1: LeBron James team, they win. They was better than y'all that year. It's true.
00:43:03
Speaker 4: That's why he feels that way. That's the exact only reason why he feels that way.
00:43:06
Speaker 2: Not with a title or a hillside defense the whole game. So which one is it?
00:43:09
Speaker 1: You can't tell me a nigga who got to stick him up for every game. I agree. You should know that you should be in agreeance with me. Fuck you mean? I am in agreeance.
00:43:17
Speaker 2: So what you talking about? You sound like you want to go over there. No, I'm always in agreeance. You from Chicago, nigga. You got to be cool, nigga. I stopped that first team on your list.
00:43:25
Speaker 1: You right. You right. Who you call? Tell them.
00:43:27
Speaker 2: Tell them about the family.
00:43:28
Speaker 1: Who you call? I called you. I called you. I was on the table. I called.
00:43:33
Speaker 4: He's so Chicago. I called you. I was on the table. I was on the table. And one of the homies go, when you going to bring out the first team? I said, I'm going to bring it out to All-Star because more people watching games.
00:43:46
Speaker 1: You feel me? We got some games on TV. I'm going to get some steals and I'm going to throw it up there.
00:43:50
Speaker 4: I say, you say, you talk to T.A.
00:43:52
Speaker 3: Yet?
00:43:52
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm going to call him.
00:43:54
Speaker 4: Word, this bubbling all at the time. Yeah, but you know, I'm strategic. I ain't the reason. Why the fuck you think I still playing?
00:44:00
Speaker 1: Okay. Because I look handsome? I know what the fuck going on. One plus one or two, motherfucker. What you mean? Every city I go to, you never see me want security guard. Did, did. You did. So, I got to get on line with him. I'm thrilled.
00:44:16
Speaker 4: I didn't know T.A., man. You know he changed number 80 times. I'm a bad number guy. Give me his number. Everything cool?
00:44:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:23
Speaker 4: I just want to ask him. I want to get my blessings on something. He, boy, you funny as hell. Boy, y'all twins.
00:44:28
Speaker 1: Drea telling you this.
00:44:29
Speaker 4: He say, boy, you and T.A., y'all twins. Y'all are twin brothers. Y'all didn't know.
00:44:35
Speaker 1: I'm laughing. We laughing. He send me number. I say, look, I ain't going to call while I'm at the crib. You feel me? I don't want to feel like I'm putting them on speaker. You feel me?
00:44:42
Speaker 4: I'm going to call while I'm at the gym on table. It's sound to see is when you call too. I call, I get a ring.
00:44:48
Speaker 1: What up, killer? T-A-T-A-T-A-T-A-P-B-A. Oh, shit, what's up, Shotown? What's up, killer? What's up, killer? Hey, I need a favor. You say anything for you, anything for you. I say, can I use the first team? You say, what? I say, can I use the first team? You first team all defense? Yeah, can I use this? I need to use it.
00:45:13
Speaker 4: I just don't want to be throwing my hand up and wanting all that, and it came from you.
00:45:17
Speaker 2: Can I use it now? It was like, anything for you. Man, I'm playing it. I done made it. Man, I done made it. I done made it three years in a row. I'm three years in a row making first team.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying?
00:45:29
Speaker 2: This my first time, though. But look, you been locking shit up, too, though. Mm-hmm. Mike Conley used to be like, yeah, right, man? You know, in transition, man, come set a pick on us.
00:45:41
Speaker 1: Everybody. Everybody. I done earned every vote.
00:45:46
Speaker 2: So your impact to the game told me at the time, like, damn, I'm getting old.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: And as an OG, you want a good OG.
00:45:55
Speaker 2: Man, young nigga, you ain't gonna turn up, man, because you playing more minutes than me now. I'm in the latter year of my career. They trying to miniscate me for the playoffs now, so I'm like, carry the torch. This some Shatown shit. But I didn't know how you did it, though. See, that was my thing. What you mean?
00:46:08
Speaker 1: See, it's a science. It's a science.
00:46:10
Speaker 4: Like, in my mind, I got a whole other thing going around than what you probably have in your mind, right? In my mind, I first seen you do it, Golden State and Memphis. Me, understanding what's going on, media-wise, because I understand the media, right? at my year eight in the league. I got four more years until I was done with the NBA, but year eight, I kind of understand the media. Year seven, year eight, I kind of understand what's going on. So when you did it, you did it. Golden State versus Memphis Grizzlies.
00:46:35
Speaker 1: You did it. Split. At a time when you got to stop, your body's on the floor, you can replay that, right? You can replay.
00:46:42
Speaker 4: You can yell first team, motherfucker, without even, right? So I found a way. I found a way to, okay, How can I make this effective and get first team? Like, how can I put people on notice and get first team?
00:46:57
Speaker 1: And market it. My homies say, you got to do it at the All-Star. That's when most people start watching games. And then when the voters start kicking in, tuning in. So now, okay, cool.
00:47:07
Speaker 4: We play Damian Lillard. And I get to stop. Mind you, I'm getting on the first team. I'm not even saying a word. I'm just saying.
00:47:17
Speaker 1: Yo, I love this. Everybody, I know what he's saying. First team. I don't need to scream it. TV, go catch me. Right? I play LeBron James on Christmas. Get low swipe. First motherfucking team. First team. First team.
00:47:31
Speaker 4: Now it puts the juju in these media people who've never played the game. Oh, he locking down. You got to put them first team. Then it got to a point where they put Ronnie. Shout out to Ronnie from 2K. He put it on 2K. You can peep that. He put it on 2K. I ain't peep that.
00:47:46
Speaker 1: First team. Pat Bale. I said, oh yeah, I got it. Yeah. And I got my first first team. Score.
00:47:52
Speaker 2: And so the science and all that, like a lot of people don't know, basically the reason why you don't have the mud platform today is that when we, ain't too many people signing up for that type of shit, though. Like, you get what I'm saying?
00:48:06
Speaker 1: It's a nasty job. They don't want that. They don't want that. It's the janitor job. They don't want that. It's the janitor job. Real shit.
00:48:12
Speaker 2: Hey, Pat, for you, I want to say, like, The transition, it's like football day in and day out. Because a lot of people know you. It's a vast majority of people that know you for getting buckets. Our community and our fraternity know you for being a lockdown defender. And that cloth is cut from the game. But you got to think it's different with me. So you know me.
00:48:32
Speaker 4: Our community is like that until they see me in the summertime. Until I just pull up 38 years old at the NBPA. Little runs right there. Michael Porter Jr. All y'all looking up on there.
00:48:42
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that's up to date. You talking about that's up to date. That's last week. Let's play one-on-one. Pop it. Yeah, let's play one-on-one. Yeah, the first to win three spots. Yeah, I won. Let me get that. Right? So they see it different. Paul George, you see it different. Like, damn, PB, I didn't know you had all that. Yeah, motherfucker.
00:48:56
Speaker 4: I just got to pass you the motherfucking ball all the time. Motherfucker, that's my job. That's why Doc Rivers is starting me. If I do anything different, I'm going to beat my ass on the bench. I definitely wanted to speak on Doc Rivers, bro.
00:49:05
Speaker 2: It's funny you went there because talk to me what it was about like playing with the Clippers, bro.
00:49:10
Speaker 1: We had a lot of battles with y'all playing with the Clippers as well.
00:49:12
Speaker 4: So you got to understand, you know for sure because you've played under Doc Rivers, right? You got to think, Doc Rivers has only given three people his playbook. Rayjean Rondo, Chris Paul, Patrick Bradley. It's the truth.
00:49:33
Speaker 1: That's some good company, B.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: He went on record and said, coaches came to me and said, I've never heard Doc Rivers say this, but he only trusts Pat. He trusts three people with his playbook now, and this third person is you, Patrick Bradley.
00:49:46
Speaker 1: Like, lit me up. But he is the hardest coach to ever play for. He expects so much from you. Oh, man.
00:49:54
Speaker 4: He was on my ass every film session, everything. It got to a point. He was the only coach that was, like, breaking me down, bro.
00:50:00
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
00:50:01
Speaker 4: I was my fucking Doc Rivers, but he was building me up. He was building me up. Because when I left Doc Rivers... I became a point guard. I became a real point guard. Teams, NBA teams can pay me and trust me to run a team. I'm gonna get the ball to the star players. I'm not gonna reject every string. Get off the pick and roll. Pull it, pull it, Pat. Pull it, pull it. The pocket's open, pull it. Motherfucker, I said pull it.
00:50:25
Speaker 1: This, this, this.
00:50:26
Speaker 4: Doc River on my ass. He on my ass every day, but I need it. Because he can get on my ass in a way where I can't talk back, I won't talk back.
00:50:34
Speaker 1: Right?
00:50:34
Speaker 4: So Doc River, me and him got a rapport. The way you spoke to the team today, I don't like that. Come on, Doc, ain't nobody trying to. Kevin Garnett would have never done that. Tony Allen would have never done that.
00:50:43
Speaker 1: Shut me up.
00:50:44
Speaker 4: He knew ways of shutting me up without saying shut up. He knew the people I looked up to.
00:50:49
Speaker 1: Right? Tony Allen would have never behaved that way. All right, Coach.
00:50:54
Speaker 4: KG, the leader of the team, he would have never behaved that way.
00:50:56
Speaker 1: Tough love. All right, Coach. Because you know me. It's Gortyte. This motherfucker don't play no motherfucking D-Dog. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Come to my office. Bad shot. Motherfucker. Yeah. To the swung. To the swung. Even if I'm wrong, Kevin Garnett would have never said that. I say that. So I got it now.
00:51:14
Speaker 2: He done kicked me out of practice before doing that old shit. You know what you say? You should have got a few words in, right? I got kicked out. I ain't getting not one word in.
00:51:22
Speaker 1: You didn't get one word in, bro. All I said was words. Get your ass out of here. I ain't told you that, bro. Bro, listen, bro.
00:51:32
Speaker 2: Bro, listen, we play national TV one day, bro.
00:51:34
Speaker 1: We play Allen Iverson there. Bro, the first play of the game, they want to run slice. They want to run slice. Slice. The screen, come up. Come up the top. It's ice on the right. Boom. Man, bro. I think it was Aaron McKee. Aaron McKee sagged so far off me. I had to jack it. I jacked that motherfucker. We lost by 30 on national TV. No cap, bro. All he could talk about was the first fucking shot of the game, bro. We lost by 30. What the fuck is we rewinding this for?
00:52:06
Speaker 2: So he asked me, like, yo, Tony Allen, we got such and such, such.
00:52:11
Speaker 1: On the court.
00:52:11
Speaker 2: What would you think you should think you should take this shot?
00:52:17
Speaker 1: Rewind it. About four rewinds. I'm like, yes, coach. Yes, coach. The fourth we went, I'm like, word. He stopped. He's like, word? Turn on the light. Word? Yeah. He said, word. He's trying to beat the Chicago shit. Man, he told me, I'm like, get your ass out of here. He said, yes, coach. He said, stand up.
00:52:38
Speaker 2: He said, now get the fuck out of the way.
00:52:44
Speaker 1: Hey.
00:52:44
Speaker 2: Hey.
00:52:45
Speaker 1: Hey. I'm telling you, man. I know you, man. The motherfucker.
00:52:47
Speaker 2: I know you.
00:52:48
Speaker 1: You a shitty, I know you like a book. I ain't need a shit.
00:52:51
Speaker 2: See, he got stories that I know already.
00:52:55
Speaker 4: Doc Rivers made me a better man, though, bro.
00:52:58
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers made me a better man. I can never say nothing bad about him. Doc Rivers made me a better man, bro. Straight up. I fuck with Doc.
00:53:06
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame in my eye, man. Give me a jacket, yo. Great coach, for sure.
00:53:12
Speaker 1: Give me a jacket. Only person above him is Phil Jackson.
00:53:15
Speaker 4: We will do that. I know the numbers when it comes to everything. Y'all respect Phil Jackson. Y'all respect Doc Rivers. I hate the slander that he be getting, right?
00:53:22
Speaker 1: I know his ways.
00:53:23
Speaker 2: Hey, Pat, you know this is out of the mud. You can't just say it. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?
00:53:35
Speaker 1: That's our homie. We fuck with our homie. Yeah, dude got six of them. You know what I'm saying? Say that. Say that. Say that. Yeah, say that. Okay. I fuck with you.
00:53:46
Speaker 2: That's a different conversation though. We didn't let no poppy. Balloon had been bust too, motherfucker.
00:53:53
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doc River made me a better man. Yeah, for sure. It made me a better player.
00:53:59
Speaker 4: And I signed a $ 3 or $ 40 million, Doc River.
00:54:02
Speaker 1: Bankroll, bankroll. I own and pop. You ain't got nothing bad to say about Doc. What you mean? What are we talking about?
00:54:09
Speaker 4: I got one thing bad to say about Doc. Y'all talk to somebody else. And I went to the Western Conference. I did something with the Clippers that Chris Paul didn't do. Russell Westbrook didn't do. James Harden didn't do. I went to the Western Conference Finals with the Clippers the first time they ever was doing that. You could say I averaged whatever points, whatever. Y'all don't know basketball. Watch the impact on the game. Devin Booker didn't do what Devin Booker did. Donovan Mitchell didn't do what Donovan Mitchell did. That series for us to advance. I was the only point guard. Me and Reggie Jackson's the only guards to help the Clippers get to the Western Conference Finals.
00:54:41
Speaker 2: Yo, what's good, Out the Mud family? I know y'all rolled with me last week. I told y'all, more for Derrick Henry. On the 80 plus yards, he went for 100 plus. Caleb Williams, big shout out to the home team. And his yards were like 228.5. But no problem, he got 269. Dak Prescott, I mean, they said. 5 TDs or something like that. He gave you two of them things. So yo, that's big, man.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: Three for three. I'm telling you. Follow my instinct. Follow my mood. You see what I'm saying? I'm going.
00:55:14
Speaker 2: Easy bread for y'all, man. All right, what we working with this week? We're going to stay with three lucky picks. We're not going to make things complicated. But before we get to the picks, y'all know the only place you should be, Joe.
00:55:28
Speaker 1: Fast picks.
00:55:29
Speaker 2: Just because my boy got me right last week, we going more with Derrick Henry again in yards. He a dangerous boy on this team, and them boys in Louisiana don't got great defense.
00:55:38
Speaker 1: Let's lock it in.
00:55:39
Speaker 2: And y'all already know Saquon going to get his touches. 77 and a half this week.
00:55:45
Speaker 1: Hmm. Let's do it. We going more again.
00:55:51
Speaker 2: We can't just keep picking more, you know? So look, check this. We're going to pick less for one pick. Let's say Josh Allen. And we're not going to say he's not going to be able to do anything. I mean, that boy can ball. So we're going to pick less. than 31 passing tips this weekend. There you have it, family. Those are my three picks. And remember, if a player in your lineup gets injured in the first half and doesn't return, your lineup still can cash out. PrizePix is going crazy with deals, giving users new promo every day during the Stack September. So go to the App Store or Google Play Store right now. Head over to PrizePix. Download the app today and use code MUD. Get $ 150 instantly in lineups if you win your first $ 5 lineup.
00:56:35
Speaker 1: Prize picks, run your game.
00:56:37
Speaker 2: Speaking of Chris Paul, killer, I ain't going to lie. It's been documented. I done seen you on ESPN. I seen you on Harlem Joint. Now, from my understanding, I ain't going to lie. Everybody call him the point guard, right? He made ultimate defensive teams. He's pretty much going to be a Hall of Famer. My thing, do you look back, was that beef a little too serious?
00:57:00
Speaker 1: No.
00:57:00
Speaker 2: At the time, or was it something you need to break down and let us get more intel.
00:57:04
Speaker 4: On how to build it up? You got to break it down. You got to break it down. Just like everything else, right? As I mentioned, we talked about different things. My upbringing and where I came from.
00:57:14
Speaker 1: I get a call. You got invited to go to LeBron James camp. Oh, shit, it's up. All the top players in college get invited here. Actually, every person that gets invited here get drafted, mind you. Cool. We're playing against each other, playing against each other. You're on that winning court. You play against a certain team. You play against Darnell Jackson. You're playing against O.J. Mayo. You're playing against LeBron James. And you are playing against Chris Paul. It's prospects in here. All NBA coaches right here. So now I'm on the winning court. We won, won, won. I'm on the winning court. I suit up with Chris Paul.
00:57:47
Speaker 4: The same energy I had with Gennaro Pargo when I was in high school. The same energy with Chris Paul.
00:57:54
Speaker 1: It's up. I picked them up full. Took ball. Dunked shit. Killed them. I had people from that camp telling me, like, hey, boy, you just killed today.
00:58:07
Speaker 2: Right?
00:58:07
Speaker 1: It started there. And we look for those acknowledgments. It started there. We look for those acknowledgments. First team I ever played against, my professional team, when I talked about the Houston Rockets and my first coming from overseas to the Houston Rockets, Jeremy Lynn has a hurt ankle. One time I get a call up. The team we playing against is the Clippers. My first team I ever played against. Doc Rivers. First team. Jamal Crawford got 30 at halftime. Matter of fact, my mistake. Jamal Crawford had 27 in the third quarter. We losing by 20. Beverly, you win. Coach for KL. Who you want me to got? You got Jamal Crawford. I bet.
00:58:43
Speaker 4: All right, cool, he like twing, twing, he like this. He go twing, twing, instead of taking two step back, because that's what everybody been doing, I'ma press up on him. I'ma force him to the left hand. Either he blow past me, he blow past me. Man, he blow past me, then cool, you got to shoot a contested layup. But he ain't getting this rhythm jump shot off. He get that bitch, he grab the ball to bounce. He skipping with that bitch.
00:59:03
Speaker 1: He comfortable. Shout out to Jamal. Shout out to Jamal. Yeah, that's what he do. It's my first deal. The best motherfucker I had handles in the world. He's skipping with that motherfucker. Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. And I'm rookie.
00:59:13
Speaker 4: I just got in. I already know the liquor eat. But he don't know what the liquor eat. I already know what's going on.
00:59:18
Speaker 2: 300 just told you when you was at motherfucking bro with me. You got to play some defense. Yeah, I played defense.
00:59:23
Speaker 1: I'll just brought you back with over. Go ahead. He come half court. I'm going to clear out. He twing twing. Jam. Body? Full body. I call it. Come on, I'm with you. Come on, go ahead. But I call it something different. What you call it? Dick on hip. Pause. That's how I play my defense. I'm 44, but listen. Go ahead. On hip. He can't move. He can only move. He can go that way. Now, and people don't understand why not. Hey, lift this up camera. Lift the camera up. Let me help you out. This is the real one, defense 101. I'm trying to do it. It's academy defense.
01:00:01
Speaker 4: You got to break it down because everybody play defense different. When I play defense, I don't play defense heels down. I don't play defense heels down because I can't be physical and I can't use my real strength, which is my shoulders and my side.
01:00:19
Speaker 1: I play defense. heels up, right? Like a motherfucking football player.
01:00:23
Speaker 4: I play defense heels up, and I'm lighter on my feet. So now, if I jam somebody, and they go that way, I can bump them here, right? So now, it don't look like a foul. It look like this right here, out of the way.
01:00:35
Speaker 1: So now, he go twing-twing, I jam him, I force him that way, he go left, I got all this now. 7-1. Ain't no coming back this way, though. No, no, you can't come back this way. That's what, okay, come on, finish, finish. I got the 7-1 motherfucker reach man right here, boom. I'm Mr.
01:00:51
Speaker 2: Miyagi.
01:00:51
Speaker 1: You hear Daniel, son? Listen to him. I got anything you want. You can't cross over. You can't rap. That's you. You going one way. I'm letting them shoot off. And I got this sledgehammer right here. And the sledgehammer, when I call it, I call it this right here because I do fingertip push-ups. I know my fingertips going to be on the ball a lot. So my workouts are real different than The usual. I use the joint. I use the joint. I use the joint. Because I got to hit the ball. When I hit the ball, I want the ball to go to your leg. I want the ball to go to half court. Because I can dive on it. Yeah, we might get some offense out of that. You do these push-ups, these raggles, you tap ball, ball might go behind the leg. You do these push-ups, fingertips, you tap ball, ball could go all the way back there. Working type of strength. So I got him. I hit him with the boom. I take the ball. Simple as that. Crawford remember that. He remember that. And that was my first deal. Come down, hit corner three. I'm in the NBA.
01:01:45
Speaker 2: And see, so now when we talk about the piece to the puzzle, you got to actually make a living out of that now. That got to be part of your job to where it's okay. Don't get discouraged because James had got a 40. Who else y'all had on the team at the time? Probably Chandler.
01:02:04
Speaker 1: Jaylen. Jaylen, these folk getting off. Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard.
01:02:09
Speaker 2: But you got to be so, like I'm telling you, at this line of work we do, you got to be so cool to be embarrassed to walk out of there with six points and feel like, hey, man.
01:02:20
Speaker 1: I did my job tonight.
01:02:22
Speaker 2: Shit, if we lost, if we lost, they ain't got to worry about me.
01:02:26
Speaker 1: Right. I'm ready to go to the podium if they want me. But shit, I'm going home after this. Right.
01:02:33
Speaker 2: Shit, the one girl we lost, you feel me? You kind of had it massive when you signed up for that line of work. And like I say, man, it's always going to be a debate, bro.
01:02:43
Speaker 4: I feel like But for me, it was different. Because for you, you way taller than me. Your shoulders way broader than me. You a bigger defender than me.
01:02:52
Speaker 1: And the position. Listen, Killer, they got six, nine, two guards. I guarded KD.
01:02:58
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you, this shit ain't getting better for no motherfucker. It seems like we need to get taller.
01:03:02
Speaker 1: Fuck you mean? No, I don't say that.
01:03:04
Speaker 2: We just need to teach defense. Yeah, that's what we need to do. We need to do whatever we get a chance.
01:03:11
Speaker 1: We need to do a defense academy. Some of that shit Lajuan be doing because it's not in the game.
01:03:15
Speaker 4: NBA teams will pay us to do this for the young players. I guarantee you.
01:03:21
Speaker 1: Go fuck me up.
01:03:21
Speaker 2: All of what you were saying, I adapted to you on defense just by you talking. I understand that language. So to see that that's not even in the game no more, how you feel about that? Like, Or a better question would be, how would you feel if you got a stick of Steph Curry in today's game with the show being so far down low?
01:03:41
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. I would hate that.
01:03:45
Speaker 4: No, for me, I kind of knew what Steph was going to get. I kind of knew no matter what. I've learned. Not only did I become really good defensively on the basketball court, intellectually I became a really good defender. I had to understand that no matter what, if we're on TV, Steph go finish with 25. That's three different 25s. That motherfucker, that 25.
01:04:05
Speaker 1: Three different 25s.
01:04:06
Speaker 4: Three different 25s. That motherfucker, that 10 for 15 motherfucker. It's that 10 for 15 motherfucker with two free throws. It's that 6 for 15, 6 for 18 motherfucker.
01:04:20
Speaker 1: Right? With a little bit more free throws. And it's that 9 for 19 motherfucker with a lot of free throws. I got to figure out which one I want to give him tonight. It's coming. It's coming. Either way. No matter what.
01:04:34
Speaker 4: And I use that dynamic, okay, with different players. If I'm on TV, okay, cool. They're going to make sure the superstars get what they need to get. I got to just figure out what type of 25 or what type of 30 they're going to get. And if the game close, which helps me now, the game close and I do get a steal, I get to put up first hand.
01:04:50
Speaker 1: So, cool.
01:04:50
Speaker 4: I'm going to use a system that I already know defensively that they want this matrix for them to work. And if we end up winning or we up 30, first hand coming right out.
01:04:58
Speaker 1: Because I did it a whole different way. I know. Yeah.
01:05:02
Speaker 2: And you got a mindset to how you're going to approach the game.
01:05:06
Speaker 1: So film was probably big for you too as well. I sent my players. I sent you a text right now.
01:05:12
Speaker 4: Ayo Dusami played for the Timberwolves.
01:05:14
Speaker 1: That's your young boy now? Hey, Pat Biff, when you used to send us film before every game, who was the person you used? I sent every teammate that I had. For the last five years, fam, on every single game we've played the night before, I'm psychotic about this defense. It hurts my soul when people don't think I don't lock up.
01:05:34
Speaker 2: It hurts my soul. You can look at the game and they don't got nothing to do with you. You can just flat out speak on it.
01:05:39
Speaker 1: Straight up. Like, that's how you feel.
01:05:40
Speaker 6: That's how it is.
01:05:41
Speaker 1: You're not hearing me. Game one to game 82, I sent a different film before every single game. It got to a point where I did it on purpose, didn't send it. Everybody in the group said, Pat, what the film about? What the film about? Kawhi. Hey, Pat, who be doing that film for you? Ayo, two days ago. Hey, Pat, you were hooking me up with the guy who do that film for you. Before every single game, my teammates had got a- I like him, too, bro. He's from the crib.
01:06:01
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:06:01
Speaker 1: My teammates got a film. What's going on? I like him, bro. And he got to hunt it. They signed him? Hunt it. With Minnesota?
01:06:08
Speaker 3: 130.
01:06:08
Speaker 1: Ooh, Minnesota might be tough this year. They go tough. That's well deserved. Shout out to young fella. Yeah.
01:06:15
Speaker 4: They took care of him. Yeah, they took care of him. So, yeah, I take this defense shit.
01:06:22
Speaker 1: This all I got.
01:06:23
Speaker 4: If I got my awards at the crib, them bitches polished. Made you come through. Don't forget to polish these motherfuckers now. My kids need to see these.
01:06:30
Speaker 1: Straight up. Polish these motherfuckers. I earned that.
01:06:32
Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying? So, like, I take defense way serious. And I can't listen to media. If I listen to media, I get upset. Just ask your favorite Hooper. Ask Klay Thompson two days ago. Ask Trae Young two days ago, last week. Just ask them.
01:06:47
Speaker 1: We just thought about it.
01:06:48
Speaker 2: But what I want to know is, because a lot of fans want to know, the antics.
01:06:54
Speaker 1: A lot of people look at.
01:06:55
Speaker 2: It like, is he overexcited and things of that nature?
01:06:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:07:00
Speaker 2: Tell us, if you're not having that best version of you in those moments, is Pat Baff who he is today?
01:07:09
Speaker 1: Okay. Answer me this. I ain't even going to say no name. I shoot a three. I remember that. Yeah. Steph Curry. Yeah. I hit a game winner. Dang time. Why the fuck can I have antics? You dig? You dig? Facts. Why can't I have no antics? You straight up had that perspective, P.
01:07:33
Speaker 6: Hold on.
01:07:33
Speaker 1: Hold on. I like that. The last one. The last one. I like that one. Yeah, crown him. We know you the king. Why the fuck I can't have no antics? I can't have no antics? I can't run around, yeah, bark this. I can't do none of that. I can't do none of that. All these other offensive motherfuckers, y'all, they putting on video games because of that. And this defensive motherfucker, I can't do that.
01:07:54
Speaker 2: Why?
01:07:55
Speaker 1: Why? Let me be fucked up. What you mean? Yeah, I'm a high mind.
01:07:59
Speaker 4: I found a way to have it and to have people talking about it to a different way.
01:08:03
Speaker 1: No, you make defense look sexy, man. Hey, man.
01:08:06
Speaker 6: Hey, man.
01:08:07
Speaker 1: You doing it what you doing. It look nasty. When I played it, you put a suit and tie on it.
01:08:11
Speaker 2: I was trying to dig into it. Motherfuckers who played it understand it. Blood out here popping this shit. Let him go on here, antagonize whoever he going to antagonize. Because ain't nobody doing it in today's game. And I think, I'm going to tell you who I see doing that right now.
01:08:28
Speaker 1: The Dorts. Shout out to Dorts. The Carusos. I'd even throw Castle in there. I'm throwing on. Yeah, Castle for sure. Jaden McDaniels. No, I'm throwing. Hey, yeah, been a lot off that apple over there, yeah.
01:08:40
Speaker 4: Davion Mitchell. He the crown of that. He the crown. He the first team. He's in my ground right now. What I need to do, OG? Yeah, do this, do this, do this. All right, because people don't understand. I got this from Kawhi. He hit me up before. I got this from Miami.
01:08:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami. Davion Mitchell. Yeah, cool.
01:08:57
Speaker 4: He hit me with it. Kawhi hit me with it. Hey, you're getting older now. What you thinking about getting blocks different ways? What are you talking about? He said, you know, if you go low swipe, it's considered a block also.
01:09:10
Speaker 1: So what you saying? When they turn around like this? No, you got the ball. Go up. All right. Boom. Swipe down. That's a block? It's a block. Not a steal? Nope. I didn't know that.
01:09:21
Speaker 4: Now, when you see me, when you see my most blocks towards my end of the career, I ain't got the speed and athleticism like I once had as a young kid to get it up here. I'm going to change it up. I'm just going to get it before that motherfucker come up. Paul George, low block. I think about the time in Minnesota, I averaged a block a game.
01:09:36
Speaker 1: And a steal a game. And didn't get no defensive reward. He put you down on that one. I ain't no shit about that.
01:09:41
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:09:41
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
01:09:42
Speaker 4: I knew that defense shit to the in and outs of it. I knew I needed to take charges. I knew how to get charges if I'm in a bad situation. I knew how to get charges if I'm on a two-on-one. And okay, cool, the ref don't like this guy. Oh, a young guy, I know how to get charges from him. I know how to flop now. I know how to add a flop.
01:09:57
Speaker 1: I know how to play against Luka every time I touch him. His head go back here.
01:10:01
Speaker 2: You so different, bro. I never took a charge, bro. I never took a charge. I always thought I could jump out at you and catch your shit upstairs.
01:10:10
Speaker 1: No, I'm cool. I'm taking charge. And I'm taking charge on everybody. So I want to be honest. I want to be on Sky Report telling them, watch out, guy. He takes charges.
01:10:18
Speaker 2: They keep the offensive player in mind.
01:10:21
Speaker 1: Like, okay. Now I get on transition. Fake charge. Oh, you stumbled. Out of bounds. Traveled my ball. Yeah. I'm psychotic about this defensive shit, bro. What you mean? I'm a professional. But before they made it the rule. Look, hold on.
01:10:33
Speaker 2: I'm from the defensive box with you. Before they made it the rule, you got to go straight up. What they call it? Yeah, the Roy Hibbert. You got to go straight up.
01:10:41
Speaker 1: Roy Hibbert.
01:10:42
Speaker 2: I was doing that before the Roy Hill. I felt like I could do that before the Roy Hill.
01:10:47
Speaker 1: That's tough. You get that?
01:10:50
Speaker 2: Stay in my Martian brain right now.
01:10:53
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying?
01:10:53
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:10:54
Speaker 1: On the defense side, so why would I go take a charge and risk getting a foul? You get what I'm saying? Yeah. You see how I'm working? Yeah, I see what you're thinking about. Dunk on me then. Yeah. And guess what the big man used to say? Whenever you get dunked on, oh, man, shot blockers get dunked on. Right. I feel like I was a shot blocker. Right.
01:11:11
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you. Man, Tony, you want my award? I'm going to share it with my homie. I ain't going to say nothing bad about my homie.
01:11:18
Speaker 1: Shout out to my brother. Your homie on the second team. Your homie on the second team. So we got it, though. Big shout out to Big Spain. Big Spain.
01:11:23
Speaker 2: We call them Big Spain down in Memphis. Shout out to Big Spain. Man, Big Spain got that.
01:11:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that politic. You know what I'm saying? A couple of motherfuckers getting cut off on their first team is what I'm trying to tell you. Joe came down with a tight shell. No, I'm saying maybe LeBron. Hey, I'm going to ask you, though. And we've been... We've been cooking on the pod right now. Shout out to Out The Mud, thanks for having me.
01:11:42
Speaker 4: A lot of stuff that's going on right now that I don't really like. With Enes Kanter and Royce White, what they doing with this WNBA stuff, I don't like it. I know y'all the OGs, and I don't even want y'all to speak a lot on it because I know this y'all pod, but because of respect for y'all.
01:12:01
Speaker 1: You feel me?
01:12:04
Speaker 4: You can't tell me you come here from another country, you come to one of the best leagues in the world, you get 102 million, and it's cancer and you go come and talk about the W like that.
01:12:11
Speaker 1: You can't tell me that's cool on whatever level. I respect it. You're trying to get a point across. It's 100 ways to skin a cat.
01:12:19
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
01:12:19
Speaker 1: It's a hundred ways to skin a cat. Yeah, you're right. It's a hundred ways to skin a cat. Don't you get on that, put on the waves and do all that.
01:12:25
Speaker 4: Don't you disrespect that brand like that, right?
01:12:27
Speaker 1: I got a trans cousin. I got a gay cousin. I got love for everybody. Shut up. It ain't that deep with me, man. Love who you love, man. Peace and love. Keep it moving.
01:12:36
Speaker 4: But you ain't about to tell me, man, you about to compete with these WNBA players because if my daughter tell me that you in the locker room with her, I'm at the facility after practice.
01:12:43
Speaker 1: You got to see a nigga, man. You got to see me. What are we talking about? How dare y'all disrespect this league that don't gave y'all a platform? And I seen the brother Royce White up there doing the same thing.
01:12:53
Speaker 4: Come on, man. Come on, we ain't doing that. We ain't disrespecting these ladies after we done gave them the bag. What team, what organization or a brand of basketball you know, T.A., that can get a brand new team, a brand new team, a merging team that's number one in the WNBA right now?
01:13:10
Speaker 1: Toronto. Come on, man.
01:13:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
01:13:11
Speaker 2: What are we talking about, man? Like, come on, let's be better, man. No, I agree with that. Pat, you ain't wrong for shooting that on our platform. And honestly, what it boils down to is the Women's National Basketball Association.
01:13:26
Speaker 1: Let's respect them as women. That's it. Let's not make a mockery out of none that they can build. That's all I'm saying.
01:13:30
Speaker 2: These folks getting million-dollar contracts now, killer. And they playing their horn out. And they putting on the show. And we got daughters out there. And that's why it's sensitive to me, bro. I mean, I can understand. That's why it's sensitive to you guys to where I'm going to play. But off of just the fact of being a gentleman, bro, it's not no time to make a mockery out of that. What should be sticking out is the commissioners jumping dead on it. Like, hold on, hold on. Let's not get nothing mixed and screwed. Let's keep this what it is. And this what then grew and what it then got to be. And this what we then got our notoriety on. There's more growth to it. Let's not try to put this in a perspective where it's them or that. This is what we got going. And this is just how we finish and how we start. And they got a good brand of basketball.
01:14:20
Speaker 1: This don't have nothing to do with you. They got, like you said, great brand. Great brand. Great brand, bro. Aja Wilson, you got Kaelin Clark, you got all Miles. Come on. Come on, man. The MWN beta. The talent is good. Come on. Like what they doing. Yeah, y'all, man, y'all stay out there.
01:14:34
Speaker 2: But they making the mockery out of something that hasn't happened yet is what I'm saying. Like, why y'all trying to say that that's okay to try to, okay, make.
01:14:43
Speaker 1: A mockery out of something that grew so big?
01:14:46
Speaker 2: And y'all know that we in full support of the WNBA. Everybody that's been part of the NBA, they've been over there and bought front row tickets, brought suites. Come on, let's not make this a confusion or nothing, man. Y'all let the politics be the politics. Let's not make it a mockery. Like he says, other ways to skin the cat. Bro, protest if you got to. Do some other shit, bro, but don't try to.
01:15:09
Speaker 4: Come on, man. Don't disrespect the game. Don't disrespect the game. Because it say WNBA. It's your brothers and your sisters now.
01:15:17
Speaker 1: Yep, sisterhood, brotherhood. Straight up.
01:15:19
Speaker 2: And you woke me up on that one, bro. Y'all got daughters, so it's more impactful to y'all.
01:15:24
Speaker 1: It's different. My baby in college. Shout out to Louisville, man. Shout out to Matt. Yeah, little Matt. For real. So, yeah, that was the ones and twos on that. Easy call.
01:15:32
Speaker 2: One of the things we all look back in today's game, bro, like, you know, back then we had the errors in hand-checking. I mean, yeah, hand-shaking, I'm not sure if you came in the league where you can put the forearm and now you got the league to now.
01:15:46
Speaker 1: Where you can, it's freedom of movement.
01:15:49
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, when we talk about the GOATs and we talk about LeBrons and the Kobe's and Jordans and things of that nature, do era matter?
01:16:01
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:16:01
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:16:02
Speaker 2: I'm saying depending on, we talk about defense, depending on the way defense was played. So can you compare both eras into where a guy who possibly might get 50,000 points before it was said and done, as opposed to a guy that had to get hand-checked? Like all maybe 13, 14 years of his career. Does that play a factor in when we call who the GOAT is?
01:16:30
Speaker 1: I think it does. And I think also what adds to it is athleticism also. Right?
01:16:36
Speaker 4: You could take the 10th person off the bench right now on any team and he can two-hand dunk that bitch.
01:16:43
Speaker 1: Give me the 10 motherfucker on the Bulls who could do that. Steve Kerr, Randy Brown. Right? You feel me? Just call a spade a spade.
01:16:51
Speaker 4: I can take the 11th person off any bench in the NBA right now, and they can throw it off the glass, put that bitch behind their back, and tomahawk dunk that. Athleticism is different right now also. First off, two things. I found ways to cheat the system. I don't know if fans of y'all know this, before the NBA season come, referees come and they tell y'all the do's and don'ts of what we're going to look for in the NBA.
01:17:15
Speaker 1: So, okay, cool.
01:17:16
Speaker 4: I was able to. And these are the defenders out here, too. That's why I said to you, we got to do a defense school, G, because it'll go crazy. For the defenders out there, I teach all my young guys. I teach them hot stove. You know, your mom would tell you, put your hot stove, take it off. Oh, don't burn your hand. Don't burn your hand.
01:17:30
Speaker 1: Now, just turn that hand that's on the hot stove and put it on somebody's hip. Right? You can hand check. Hot stove it, though. Right? Oh, hot stove it. So you can show the referee. I'm hot stoving them. I'm hot stoving them. You can do that five, six times coming up the court. Hot stove him. You can still control him.
01:17:46
Speaker 4: If you do the right weight lifts and this right strength stuff, you can still control somebody, right? The referee don't know if you're pushing him. Referee don't know if your hand's sitting there. Referee don't even know if your hand's. You hot stove him.
01:17:55
Speaker 1: On and off. So that's what I was able to do.
01:17:58
Speaker 4: I was able to hand check people without referees knowing.
01:18:00
Speaker 1: And then I got, once I got the first team, I got away with everything.
01:18:04
Speaker 4: I got away with putting my hand right here on Jackson Tatum, putting my thumb, try to pierce a motherfucking lung.
01:18:11
Speaker 2: So guys had the advantage on Mike then back in the day.
01:18:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's more the freedom of movement. The scores.
01:18:19
Speaker 4: If I can, if I can put my hands on somebody in the NBA, I have six first teams. Your favorite players, favorite player will get their ass locked up even more.
01:18:30
Speaker 1: If I can touch, cause I'm stronger. Like when it comes to strength, like you've never seen a three man just post me up and just, man, he too little. Never. I'm under you. I'm not, I'm right here.
01:18:38
Speaker 4: So when it comes to mano a mano strength, I'm top five, my size, weight, pound for pound, strength person, pound for pound, any weightlifting coach I ever had, y'all, Pat Bale, top five in the NBA, pound for pound. I'm squad 300. I'm bench pressing 200. I'm under that weight. You know what I'm saying?
01:18:53
Speaker 2: So I don't think, man, you could disagree with me or agree with me on this, but I truly don't believe our style of play on defense is.
01:19:05
Speaker 1: be beneficial in the league today? Or how you agree?
01:19:08
Speaker 2: Because we were both physical players, so it's like a lot of the referees knew how we was coming. For every game, I go tell a referee, what's up, man, how you doing today? Danny Foster, okay, yeah, Tony Allen, first team, all defense, how you doing, brother? And then tell everybody, let them know, this is how I'm coming. Before we even blow a whistle, what's up, Tony Allen, yeah, first team, all defense. That's funny you say that. You know what's crazy?
01:19:30
Speaker 1: What?
01:19:30
Speaker 4: And I don't want to take away your point, and I'm going to answer your question.
01:19:32
Speaker 1: No, go on. So you do that with the referees? Yeah. I do it the other way. What? I do it two ways. Every captain's meeting, I tell anybody before the season, I'm in the captain's meeting. Everybody.
01:19:43
Speaker 4: One, I want to get my young guy, whoever my young guy is, Shea Gildress Alexander, you can ask him. Terrence Mann, you can ask him.
01:19:51
Speaker 1: Introduce yourself to all the referees. Yeah. So they look at, man, Pat, that's what we need. We need more of that. Yeah.
01:19:57
Speaker 4: Respect the referees. Introduce yourself to all the referees so you know all on a first name basis.
01:20:01
Speaker 1: Right? Cool.
01:20:01
Speaker 4: That's one way. I get referees, okay, they on my side. My second way is this. You know, some teams don't send the vets up there. They send young guys.
01:20:12
Speaker 1: Right?
01:20:12
Speaker 4: I know that. Z-Bo do that all the time. Yeah, go talk to them. Young guy come up there.
01:20:17
Speaker 1: Guess what I do? We're doing a meeting. Fellas, watch out for this. Watch out for that.
01:20:23
Speaker 4: We finish meeting. Man, we talking about all that shit in this meeting, man. Hey, Young Buck, what's his name? Man, he don't even know your name, man. You better not give his ass. They better not give that team a call. They ain't even got that. They vets ain't even talking to their young players about y'all names. These folks don't care about your name. Oh, yeah, you politic.
01:20:41
Speaker 1: Early in the circle. Well, you should put that line. What? I wish you, my eyes light up. Pre-game?
01:20:47
Speaker 2: Y'all done put a motherfucker out.
01:20:49
Speaker 1: Here who don't even play because y'all trying to, yeah, Z-Bo, you done put a motherfucker out there who don't even play. Look at Z-Bo. Z-Bo done didn't fuck with y'all. He a dirty motherfucker, man. Yeah, you done put a motherfucker out there who don't even play. Now you wondering why I can't. A hound, Mike Conley ass around. Right, okay, yeah. And that's what I'll do to you. That was my lick. I understand. The defense is outside the court. You got to work it at all angles, man. Offensive guys do it.
01:21:16
Speaker 4: But my second question is, like, I think that question you won't answer, you got to ask the offensive guy. Like, Z-Bo, if you had the ball in the post and a person could just grab you all the time, like, how would Joe perform?
01:21:27
Speaker 1: Man, shit, Ticket did it.
01:21:29
Speaker 5: KG, he did a lot of that, like you said, with that ball hand and looking to rip him off with his hand so damn big.
01:21:35
Speaker 1: He can control you.
01:21:37
Speaker 5: Actually, he complained, so it's funny you say that, but no, you right. If a motherfucker can grab you, it's.
01:21:41
Speaker 1: A lot different. You know what I mean?
01:21:43
Speaker 3: For real.
01:21:43
Speaker 1: And then for you, because a lot of your game was right.
01:21:46
Speaker 4: A lot of your game earlier was powered, and a lot of your game would turn power into a ton of finesse.
01:21:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:21:50
Speaker 2: Right?
01:21:51
Speaker 1: So if you got that finesse and you got DeAndre Jordan that.
01:21:54
Speaker 7: Can just hold on him all game- It would be different. Now you can't pump fake because the pump fake ain't valid no more because he ain't controlling you.
01:22:05
Speaker 1: It's a slug from that. My bad.
01:22:06
Speaker 6: My bad.
01:22:06
Speaker 1: You're right, though. But it's going to be a slug. You can't go to all your attributes. But for seven games, that'd be hard. Yeah, damn right. That'd be hard. Damn right. And you tell me no fouls, so now I got to shoot bump, hand on here, contested motherfucker, all game for seven game series and think that's the best chance we got to win? Nah. It's just different. Today's game is a little more comfortable. Freestyle. Yeah, way comfortable. I like where it's going, though. It's exciting.
01:22:31
Speaker 2: You see the 155s, the 153s, and you the triple overtime game, but me looking at it is the way we played it.
01:22:39
Speaker 1: It messed up the fan base, though. Yeah, fan base.
01:22:42
Speaker 2: It's true that, but you come from that colorful, you've probably been around a show.
01:22:47
Speaker 1: A hedge, or like a blue ice up. All that. You feel me? Yeah, they ain't doing it now. They in a drop every time. And that's how I rate my defensive players, right?
01:23:00
Speaker 4: When I was with James Harden and we played against teams that Chris Paul was on and Steph Curry was on, they wasn't switching straight up.
01:23:10
Speaker 1: They were showing. So now I'm using that against them. He don't pay no deal, fucking show. Right, you calling it out? Yeah. He a show. Attack the show. We get anything we want out the show. He a show. He ain't no defender. He a show, man. You was a vocal motherfucker, too. I ain't gonna lie. Pat was vocal. So guess what that do? Man, we attack the show. We done repped all week anyway, motherfucker. Attack the show. You a defender, you switch. E-mino, E-mino. Fuckers, you showing for it. Before you can show you got money, you got it, you got it. You ain't gonna show you got a gun, either you got it or you don't. Simple as that. If you ain't got it, don't show it. What we doing? Speaking of don't show it, if you ain't got it, don't show it, don't show it, if you ain't got.
01:23:51
Speaker 2: It, who the toughest matchup for Pat Beverly in his career?
01:23:58
Speaker 1: Man, that's tough, G, because I don't want to disrespect nobody. It's different, T.A. I ain't gonna lie. No, no, no. Different, though. You're not getting off the hook. I'm not trying.
01:24:06
Speaker 2: Somebody got to get crowned today on Out the Mud platform. Look, for me, it's KD and Kobe. It's a no-brainer. Ain't nothing I can get him. 6'10, come off a pin down, shot. If I go under the pick and roll, three. Post me if I ain't physical, it's a comfortable fade.
01:24:26
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. Who? Damian Lillard. Damn. Ooh. Make sure I die.
01:24:33
Speaker 2: So you're going to not say Steph. You're going to not say Westbrook. You're going to not say.
01:24:39
Speaker 3: No.
01:24:39
Speaker 1: James Harden. Klay Thompson. Kyrie. Kyrie? No. I play well against Kyrie. So you just going to. You went over a lot of people.
01:24:48
Speaker 4: And the thing I say Dane because Dane found out. I don't know who his motherfucking trainer was that told him this. But he found out ways to be really good against me.
01:24:59
Speaker 1: And it forced me. find out other ways to be really effective against him. Like, people don't understand.
01:25:04
Speaker 4: If you just get the ball and just go, just put your head down, don't make no move and just go, you're going to beat me every single time.
01:25:12
Speaker 1: That's the key. That's the key of beating Pat Bear. A lot of players don't have the confidence to just get the ball and just put head down and go. You see, anytime anyone beat me, they put their head down and go. Ain't no moves, ain't no none of that.
01:25:23
Speaker 4: The thing with these athletes and these superstars is that they train so many moves in the summertime that they start a pack. The startup package is 20-20.
01:25:31
Speaker 1: You're done. You're done. When your real startup package should be, just go. Old school. Catch it and go.
01:25:39
Speaker 2: You make sense with that, bro. Follow what he's saying. Because guess what? Once you get the going and that shot and your movement is like that, the referee is in your pocket at that point because your shot's so motherfucking deadly.
01:25:54
Speaker 4: So when Damon Little found out that I was getting in his pocket a little bit, Anytime I pressured him a little, he just blew past me and wanted to go get dunked.
01:25:59
Speaker 1: So I thought, damn, I can't pressure him like that. Now I can't pressure him like that, he get that 30-40 motherfucker off. That's what I'm saying. Now you got to- Pull that motherfucker deep.
01:26:06
Speaker 2: He pull that motherfucker from his hip. So I'm saying, what was your defense then at the time?
01:26:14
Speaker 1: Because it's like, when he go left, if he go left, boom, he pulling up long. Yeah, no matter who. As soon as he go left, and so now if he go right, he going to get all the time. All the time. I mixed it up. I denied him. So now, okay, cool.
01:26:26
Speaker 4: I told my teammate before this game, like, so before I found a way for him and Steph Curry, he's probably the only two in the NBA, okay, y'all, I don't have 10 points in me tonight. I don't got eight points in me tonight. Bro, tonight is a very low scoring game for me. Because now my defense, I have to change it up. I can't pick Dame up from half court no more. I got to deny him, right? I got to deny him. I got to have somebody else bring it up.
01:26:48
Speaker 1: You feel me? And now if I can get Dame, I go back old school. Now if I can get Dame to, okay, cool. Because it's what the coaches say. Dame, if he deny you, just get up the ball, go to the corner, and we'll give it back to you. I'm cool now. Now he going to the corner. Okay, cool.
01:27:01
Speaker 4: Only thing he beat me to do is a backdoor. I'm not letting him get this ball. So now I got two possessions that Damian Lillard ain't touched the ball. Now I know next time.
01:27:09
Speaker 1: He gets this bitch, he going to want to get it off. I'm cool now. I'm cool now. Right?
01:27:13
Speaker 4: So I had to find a way to be more intelligent because you feel me? Whatever his training was like, if he pressed you, just go past him. Don't even play with him. Just go past him.
01:27:21
Speaker 1: Right?
01:27:22
Speaker 4: And that's what he was doing. He was cooking me for a couple of years. And then I'm like, you know what? I got to get in the lab. I got to see what's going on.
01:27:27
Speaker 1: How do I beat that? And I couldn't adjust to it. That's the only one thing I could adjust to. I got a denial. I got a denial.
01:27:32
Speaker 2: And when you get to the denial, you a bad motherfucker. You get somebody else to have the ball, not your superstar. You boxing one at that point.
01:27:39
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. They're going to do their job, ain't it, man? They're going to do their job.
01:27:46
Speaker 2: It ain't too many motherfuckers you going to say, I don't care about what y'all doing.
01:27:50
Speaker 1: Team-wise, I'm just locked in on him. Yeah. See what I'm saying?
01:27:55
Speaker 4: And for the big guys, it was different for me because those are easy to guard, like the Paul Georges and the Klay Thompson, because the first thing they do, they try to post me.
01:28:01
Speaker 1: Perfect.
01:28:02
Speaker 4: And then I play different games with the post. I play three different games in the post. I play strength.
01:28:06
Speaker 6: Boom.
01:28:07
Speaker 1: Boom. I'm looking at your frame, looking at your hips. Okay, cool, you ain't been- But you came in on the era like this.
01:28:11
Speaker 2: Like I'm saying, when they changed the rule from the hips, we get above.
01:28:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ain't get no weights.
01:28:17
Speaker 2: Explain it to us, because when you still playing in the era where they took this.
01:28:21
Speaker 1: Out, so now for what was the rules? Hostile.
01:28:25
Speaker 4: I still use hostile. You still use the old rules? Anytime a player turns his back on you, you can put your hands on him. But you can't do this, but they didn't tell you. You can't do this, You can do this. At the top of the key, what a ref can see. At the top of the key, what a ref can see. One hand, probably put on two. It's going to look nasty. You got to call it. But now in the post, nah, I ain't like this. I'm doing my job. But now instead of one hot stove, I got two.
01:28:51
Speaker 1: And I'm like this.
01:28:53
Speaker 6: I'm a... Nah, I'm weight room. I'm dick on hip still. I got one hand in the back. I got one hand on the front. Here, I'm going to take the first bump. You bump me hard the first bump, the second bump, I'm falling.
01:29:06
Speaker 1: The fuck out. You take charge. Take charge. Right? So it was different. So that was one rule. Behind, my second one was front. You know, you're a post player. They hate to be fronted. Because guards can't throw that pass. Guards get low on your knees. You just want them to get low. They hate to throw that pass. Guards hate to be left. Yeah. I got 7-1.
01:29:27
Speaker 4: You throw that bitch, I'm going to tip it. You do anything, Z-Bo does anything with this extra arm, I'm falling out.
01:29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're going to fall like a ball. No problem there, brother. That's funny. And I'm my third one, which I do with Paul George, right? Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. He catch it. Carmelo Anthony post. I'm cool now.
01:29:47
Speaker 4: If you can catch the ball, size up against me from this pocket and shoot it, I live with that shot.
01:29:52
Speaker 1: But most of them don't do that. What they do? Put that bitch on the ground. Now, I can do whatever. Ref can't call none now. He can't call foul from, you ain't shooting the three, you ain't shooting the layup. He can't call foul from that middle point. He can't, he gotta, whatever happens right here, I gotta let it play. Ref, don't call that bullshit, man. That's a long two. Don't call that, you know that's in the book. You know that's in the book. You know you talking about threes and lays. Don't call that bullshit ass long two. And that's the energy. That's the energy. That's the energy.
01:30:17
Speaker 2: Speaking of refs, though, speaking of refs, y'all in Boston. Y'all in Boston. Yo, that was classic. When I tell y'all I'm dead, they jump up, motherfucking out the window, and I saw your ass go grab the camera and run back to the referee and say, look at this.
01:30:32
Speaker 1: But you missing the plate. That shit was the craziest. No, dude, you missing the plate. I love it. I understand passion. Hold on, trust me. No, no, no. We Martians now.
01:30:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you talking about a whole different play that I ain't even talking about today. I'm psychotic with this shit, I told you. This is all I think about is basketball. You gotta understand. Trey Deadline is about to come up. We're having an awful year. Me, Russ, AD, LeBron James. We're having an awful year.
01:31:01
Speaker 1: We're on the first road trip that if this road trip don't go right, I'm about to get out of here. It's the truth of it.
01:31:08
Speaker 4: We tried this experiment. It didn't work. This is the first game on a road trip. We already know LeBron ain't playing the two of us.
01:31:15
Speaker 1: Y'all already know that. AG just came back for this road trip. It's real. This shape where we going in the playoffs. See, I had one of my best games I ever had in the NBA. Played before that. I catch tip dunk for game. I saw that game. For game. You went nutty a few times. Before that played right there. Tight game. Brian hit me. Up three. Trey ball. I got 17 that game. I catch tip dunk for game. Game over. Make sure y'all get these motherfucking choices. I take stiff dunk for game. It's over with. I got LeBron James like this. I'm in Boston. I'm in L.A. The whole rivalry and everything. Feel me? Like everything. I got Jason Tatum. I'm picking his ass up. I got Jalen Brown. I'm picking his ass up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's up. Cool. I ain't getting traded. This about to change our whole year. Man get fouled there, I'm calling. We lose. Not only do we lose, we lose to Brooklyn.
01:32:08
Speaker 4: The next night. People don't talk about it. The six-game winning streak where we supposed to go 4-2. We go two and four. Come back home, got this one talking to do. People don't understand that. Now they look at Westbrook crazy.
01:32:24
Speaker 1: Y'all losing. Same city he from. Yeah, Crip. To motherfucking UCLA. To motherfucking 2020, 20-year cuz. Rest in peace, Nipsey Hussle. To what you mean you trading Russell Westbrook out of LA? It changes. And for y'all, For y'all, right?
01:32:44
Speaker 4: And this is why I envy y'all so much, because y'all had homes in the NBA.
01:32:48
Speaker 1: Y'all had places. Memphis.
01:32:49
Speaker 4: Y'all can call homes until it was over. Until it was fucking over. Players like me, when you're a journeyman, you got to keep finding your journey. You might be a journeyman. You might be a journeyman for three years on this team. Okay, you're off four years with the Houston Rockets.
01:33:02
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. That's home. Five years with the Clippers. Okay, that's home. I ain't got no home now. I'm a journeyman. I came in the league with backpack on. What we say, wherever he lay his hat is his motherfucking home. Man, out the mud, killer. We hunting it.
01:33:15
Speaker 4: So when that happened, it was bigger than just the camera. Changed the whole season of the Lakers. I ain't going to say it changed it, but we win that game. We got different vibes. Y'all know that. We beat Boston.
01:33:26
Speaker 1: The number one team, we beat Boston. And the legacy. And the Lake of First Boston thing. You come back home, you beat Boston. You beat Brooklyn tomorrow. Feel me? You feel me?
01:33:33
Speaker 4: KD ain't playing. Now you got Jukes to beat them. You didn't finish the game, folding two. Okay, we get back home.
01:33:38
Speaker 1: We ain't okay. Let's ride it out. Let's see what's going on. Darv and him, first year.
01:33:43
Speaker 7: Right?
01:33:43
Speaker 4: We ain't talk about that. Mind you, Darv and him, my man. Love him to death. He'll tell you this face to face. I told him from the beginning when he first got the job.
01:33:54
Speaker 1: I said, you got to coach. I know you're used to the East. It's the West. Y'all West babies. The West is very different from the East. I swear.
01:34:03
Speaker 4: Coach Ham, you got to coach. You got to coach everybody. You can't get nobody no slack. You can't get nobody no slack. He was fired the next year and ain't won a cup. I see him in Vegas. I'm at the win. I'm at the win, T.A. This ain't even the part of the story I got for you, T.A. This the cold part, T.A. I'm at the win. Me and my lady, I'm at the win. I'm playing back around. I'm trying to get the closest to motherfucking nine. I see the arm hand walk past. He, can I talk to you for a minute? Pardon me, you want to say no.
01:34:29
Speaker 3: Ah.
01:34:30
Speaker 1: What's up, coach? He, you was right. I what? He, I just want to tell you, you was right. You and Russ was right. Y'all was the leaders of my team. You was right. You got Russ' number. You got Russ' number. I need to apologize to him. Too late now. You see what I mean? This man out of LA, they calling him Russ Brick. They doing all these type of names about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was... Russ stretched every time. Every team out in his first one there. Straight professional. Your leaders was different. Yeah.
01:35:03
Speaker 4: And he didn't know that, right? It wasn't your time to say LeBron James is my leader. We know fucking LeBron James.
01:35:08
Speaker 1: Is your leader. We know Anthony Davis is your leader. Come on, man. I know Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are the leaders of the team, but it's different leaders.
01:35:15
Speaker 4: It's the people that got the heart and soul of the team, the team that you need the fucking engine to go for your car to get from point A to point B.
01:35:21
Speaker 1: And if you don't go out there, I don't give a fuck what kind of card you got. You can have a motherfucking Lamborghini, that motherfucker ain't getting that. I promise. I promise. You speaking the gospel. So last time I talked to Darman Ham, he asked me, what was Russell Westbrook number? Too late now, man. Too late. We look like we were the cancels of the team. You feel me? It's too late then. But Spade was a Spade. And I respect Ham for doing that. Because y'all know, a lot of coaches that have, they wouldn't even do that.
01:35:49
Speaker 2: Right.
01:35:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Russ. Yeah, he was a cancer. They were trying to tell me, man, this is how you do it. Yeah. A lot of coaches wouldn't even do that. So I respect Coach Hamm. Last time me and Coach Hamm talked, Zach was. You on Russ's right. Out the mud. Out the mud.

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