Bengals Roundtable 10/8/26

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Speaker 3: All right, here we go.
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Speaker 5: It must be the roundtable show.
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Speaker 4: We are presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Toph Sheldon. We're hanging out at Long Necks in Wilder. We love Toph. Long necks in Wilder. We do it for three hours. I'm Lance McAllister. He is Rocky Boyman. The second of a three-week run here. We've got a fantastic setup. We love our setup here. There's plenty of TVs and outstanding food and beer to be had. Prizes to be given away. Details to follow. I will say this at the start, Rock, none of this in the first four weeks of the season, none of this is going according to plan because they were not supposed to be two and two. And I might need to call on you tonight. You know, I can get a little wound up. I can get a little on edge. I'm going to need you as the former player to lend perspective and say, Lance, it's only.
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Speaker 5: Four games and there's 13 left.
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Speaker 4: But my response to that all week has been, I'm not calling the season over by any stretch of the imagination.
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Speaker 5: It's 2-2, and there's 13 games left.
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Speaker 4: That's 76.4% of the season, according to my Butler math. The problem is, they're already behind the eight ball and chasing stuff. When you lose to the Steelers, when you had no business losing to the Steelers, when you lose at home to Jacksonville, and both of those were winnable games, I get you're not going to win them all. I feel like we're back in a position we've been talking about seemingly every year of a clunky, slower start, making things more difficult than it has to be and reducing the margin of error and making it harder throughout the rest.
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Speaker 3: Of the season.
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Speaker 6: Is this a bad time to mention the Bengals' two wins are over teams that are currently winless?
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Speaker 3: And if they win this weekend... I didn't know if you knew that. This weekend would make it three wins over three teams without a win.
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Speaker 6: No, look, I don't think there is panic. I think that's ridiculous. But to your point, this.
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Speaker 3: Was the season, right? This was the season where.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't like, man, hopefully let's fight scratch and claw and make it to the playoffs. It was like, we're going after that first round by home playoff game.
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Speaker 3: That was kind of the expectation.
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Speaker 6: And everything leading to the offseason fit that to a tee. Dexter Lawrence signing, which has been mentioned 10 million times.
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Speaker 3: Aggressive and free agency. Aggressive and free agency.
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Speaker 6: All those things that led up to a camp went great. First couple weeks looked great, and then it's just been– it hasn't gone well since. So, yeah, I think there's a little bit of panic in that this is not how it was supposed to be.
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Speaker 3: Not this season, not this roster.
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Speaker 6: Yes, there's still plenty of football to be played, but we're back in that thing where we didn't want to be, which is, man, looking back at that one game, that one game in September, if the Bengals just won that, things could be so much different, but here we are.
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Speaker 4: And I guess what I keep going back to, I will hear people, and they will tell me, But they always start slow, or the offense is always clunky early, or the run game takes a while to get going.
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Speaker 3: Look at last year, six weeks in. It wasn't much.
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Speaker 4: And then they got rolling and Chase Brown was dynamite the rest of the year. And my response to that each time is, well, isn't the bigger point why it always takes that amount of time to get it up and running and figured out? What's happening in the first month of a season that takes Zach Taylor and the coaches that long to adjust to seemingly year after year after year?
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Speaker 3: And isn't the point of.
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Speaker 6: a season and an off-season learning from what you did the last season or five seasons and make that better so you don't have those.
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Speaker 4: And let's remember, this is an offense that part of the, one of the talking points was, wow, they have all five starting offensive linemen coming back and all their skill guys coming back.
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Speaker 3: They didn't lose anybody.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the beauty of continuity is you should be past things, not re-dealing or dealing with things again.
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Speaker 3: That's just, ugh. Yeah, you could make the argument if there was a bunch of new pieces. And, you know, some of the main pieces.
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Speaker 6: Were there, but they still, yeah, the left side of the offensive line. But continuity can't be the excuse because these guys have been together for a long time.
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Speaker 3: But here we are.
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Speaker 5: Can I do some headlines and we'll go? All right, let's start with those headlines.
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Speaker 4: Mike Petralia will check in at about eight minutes from Mark with a full update. Let me give you the Cliff Notes version of the injury report today with the Bengals back on the practice field. Jamar Chase and Brian Cook limited. Dalton Reisner limited. Dexter Lawrence was limited. T. Higgins did not practice. Kyle Duggar did not practice. Jordan Battle was a full go. We'll get in-depth with Traggs on what that means perhaps for Sunday coming up in a bit. Thursday night football, Tampa Bay and Dallas, 7.30 on Fox Sports 1360. Baseball playoffs, Game 4, White Sox and Guardians at 8 o'clock with the Sox up two games to one in the series. Meanwhile, the Rays get the winner of the Sox and Guardians. The Dodgers and Brewers will start in the NLCS on, I think that's on Sunday. The NFL has, or the Major League Baseball, rather, has proposed returning to a 154-game regular season and a best-of-seven division series and, adding this element, Opponent selection in the wildcard and division rounds of who the top seed wants to play of the remaining season. They pick your opponent? They pick your opponent, yes.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 4: Starting in 2029, shortening the season would create a standard weekly day off, benefiting player health. and it would allow the addition of up to eight more postseason games.
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Speaker 5: It's always about the money.
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Speaker 4: By moving to a best-of-seven division format, getting in 2027, the higher-seeded clubs in the wild card and the division series would select their opponent in what I'm sure would be a made-for-TV event with all the executives in the room.
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Speaker 3: And your selection is? It would certainly be different.
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Speaker 4: And the idea is, and this is not surprising because everything is driven by money, you would have everybody off on Mondays except for maybe two games being played, like an 8 o'clock and West Coast game, and baseball would be able to sell that in an exclusive window and get more money.
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Speaker 3: Must-see event. Yes.
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Speaker 4: There's no minor league games on Monday, and there'd be nobody else playing on Monday in baseball, just the featured 8 o'clock, say, and 10 o'clock game, and baseball would then be able to say to advertisers, look at this, a lot of eyeballs here.
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Speaker 3: I feel like baseball purists are going to hate this, all those things you said.
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Speaker 4: And for those, so everybody else would be off on Monday, and the four teams that would play on Monday then get an off day on Thursday. So everybody gets one day off during the week throughout the season. That means adding some double-headers in the season as well. All right, high school football. Hamilton County Common Pleas Court preliminary injunction hearing scheduled for this morning involving elder wide receiver Andrew Lyman's eligibility was canceled today. The parties reached a settlement agreement. Lyman can play additional games. According to the Ohio High School Athletic Association, they did not go into detail on what that means. I am told by those close to the situation, he's been granted the ability to play the remainder of the regular.
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Speaker 5: Season and one postseason game, which is interesting.
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Speaker 3: How did they come up with that?
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: That's what I've been told by those close to the situation. He'll play the rest of the year and the first playoff game. We'll see. That's what I've been told. FC Cincinnati getting ready. It's interesting the OHSAA simply didn't reveal what it actually is. They said additional games and left it at that. Instead, it would be up to Elder to explain the rest, basically, which I find interesting.
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Speaker 3: Would Elder want to explain the rest?
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: FC Cincinnati getting ready for a Saturday road matchup in Atlanta United FC.
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Speaker 3: 7.30.
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Speaker 4: Laurel Thaler of Queen City Press reports that Pat Noonan said today that Evander picked up a knock In the Montreal game, a knock is an injury.
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Speaker 3: I like that.
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Speaker 5: Soccer calls it a knock. You're not hurt or injured in soccer.
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Speaker 3: You've got to knock.
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Speaker 5: I've got to knock.
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Speaker 3: I think the NFL should do that. I like it. Let's look at.
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Speaker 4: The injury report. Who's got a knock? T. Higgins has a knock. It could, in terms of Evander's injury, he could get through it. Thought he could get through it initially. Turned out worse than expected. He'll be out Saturday.
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Speaker 5: A timeline. To be determined.
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Speaker 4: That is a look at your headlines. Dude, I forget we've got a giveaway tonight, as we do each and every week. Your servers have, what do we call them? Not lottery tickets.
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Speaker 5: All right, I think we're set.
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Speaker 4: When we come back, that guy, what's his name? He used to do a weekly for us, and he hasn't done it the last two weeks. I forget his name.
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Speaker 3: Triggs?
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Speaker 7: Triggs?
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Speaker 5: Something like that. We'll figure it out. He'll join us next, I believe.
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Speaker 4: 621-700-WLW, the Roundtable Show, presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Tove Sheldon. We're at Longnecks in Wilder. It's brought to you in part by Hawksworth Blood Centers. Hawksworth donors save lives. Close to home, who will you save? And EverDry waterproofing. If your basement leaks, call EverDry. It's not dry until it's EverDry. Lance McAllister, Rocky Boyman, let's welcome in our next guest, our first guest. He covers the Bengals and the Reds. He covers everything for CLNUS. since he with the Y.com, host of the Jungle War podcast, the man we call Trags, Mike Petraglia. Trags, let's start with, we could probably do a whole segment on injuries. Let's just give everybody the three names they're probably most waiting for. What's your sense of T, Jamar, and Brian Cook right now?
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Speaker 8: I'd say Jamar is promising, guys, because he was on the field today. Saw him in the locker room. He was laughing, joking around. Talked to... Because Jamar.
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Speaker 9: Chase didn't hold his weekly Thursday.
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Speaker 8: Press conference, talked to Dante Myers, and Dante Myers said everybody was joking with him.
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Speaker 9: Had great energy.
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Speaker 8: So I don't know, read between the lines.
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Speaker 10: I think Jamar Chase.
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Speaker 8: If everything goes okay tomorrow, will clear concussion protocol, he'll be ready. I think the soft tissue injury, the adductor issue in the groin area with T.
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Speaker 5: Higgins, I.
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Speaker 8: No pun intended, but a more sensitive issue. I don't think they want to press it with T, especially given his.
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Speaker 8: Soft tissue injuries in the past.
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Speaker 9: I think they allow him.
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Speaker 8: Another week off, and then the bye week, and then come back against Baltimore, in Baltimore, fully ready to go. And then with Brian Cook, he spoke to us in the locker room today, and he's going to do everything he can to be on the field, and I think he's going to be on the field.
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Speaker 9: I think he went through some.
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Speaker 8: Work on the rehab fields with his full pads, full gear on, and he was limited in practice.
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Speaker 9: So I think he's going to be.
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Speaker 10: He's going to give it a go.
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Speaker 8: So I would say Jamar Chase is most likely. I'd say Brian Cook is possible.
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Speaker 9: And I'd say T. Higgins, very unlikely.
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Speaker 6: Chad, it's interesting, you know, this week, a lot of conversation about the run game and did they abandon it too early? And, you know, Joe Burrow has the comment of like, okay, maybe we need to throw it more. Where do you fall on the, I guess, should the Bengals have abandoned the run game? And just your thoughts on that conversation right there.
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Speaker 8: They just need Rocky to do a better job of running the ball. They need to find better schemes for getting Chase Brown into the game plan earlier in games. And that means getting the lead. The biggest problem I had last week in the first half was not going forward on fourth and one at the 44th. You've got in the NFL, if you are worth your weight in gold and you are the team that the Bengals purport to be a championship caliber club, then you've got.
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Speaker 9: To be able to get one yard.
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Speaker 10: Early in the game, especially when your.
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Speaker 8: Defense had just turned over the Jacksonville Jaguars on a three and out. You've got to be able to march down the field and to have to punt in that situation is And be unable.
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Speaker 9: To run the ball for a yard.
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Speaker 8: Really is pretty damning to the physicality.
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Speaker 9: The mentality of that offense.
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Speaker 8: And I think they were fighting behind the eight ball the entire game because of that one drive.
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Speaker 10: That's my sense.
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Speaker 8: So if the Bengals really want to establish.
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Speaker 10: A run, they've got to do it early in games.
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Speaker 8: They've got to do it with a physicality and not just chase Brown, but throw some Ajay Pirine in there as well.
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Speaker 9: They've got to be more physical in.
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Speaker 10: The run game and in the short.
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Speaker 8: Passing game to set up, you know, a longer attack down the field.
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Speaker 4: Tregs, you talked with Ted Karras on Monday. Are you surprised with continuity, such a talking point for this offensive line this year and everybody coming back, are you surprised the offensive line has experienced the issues they have?
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Speaker 9: A little bit.
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Speaker 8: I think Orlando Brown has done the best possible job of shoring up his play after a rough couple of weeks to start the year. I think even he would acknowledge that. Zach Taylor certainly has acknowledged that they've given him some help on his side of the offensive line. I also think Dalton Reisner is reaching a point of no return where that knee injury of his, his left knee, they're reaching a point where they're going to have to take him out of the lineup.
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Speaker 9: Because as much as.
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Speaker 8: We love Dalton Reisner and he is a terrific leader along that offensive line, he has been a liability, no other way to put it, because he's injured. And you can't have a liability. And he's their best run blocker. Well, he may be their best run blocker, but if he's playing on one leg, what good does that do you? So that's where I think the Bengals are hurting is right in the interior of that offensive line. Do they put someone in like Jalen Rivers this Sunday if Dalton Reisner is too sore to go? Do they go with Jacob Bayer, who looked really good in the training camp, looked really good in preseason? Do they decide to go in that direction? That's where I think the Bengals have... some tough decisions to make.
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Speaker 6: I just wonder if, if a lot of this comes down to this Bengals offensive line was built to protect the pastor. They are not, you know, you know, like stalwart, Run blockers. And now you're throwing injuries on top of it. And on top of that, you've got a quarterback who's said many times, I like throwing the football.
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Speaker 3: So it's almost like, you know, it doesn't match. Yeah, it doesn't match.
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Speaker 6: And like we're expecting this dominant run game that we're not built for. And the quarterback doesn't seem to really want to, you know, lay on too much.
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Speaker 9: Here's my problem with all of this. The Bengals have never made.
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Speaker 8: Running the ball a priority to compliment Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow would be a much better quarterback and a much more proficient and efficient quarterback.
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Speaker 9: If he had a run game behind him. That's all there is to it.
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Speaker 10: People can say, well, this is.
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Speaker 8: A pass-oriented offense. Zach Taylor wants to pass, pass, pass.
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Speaker 11: Great.
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Speaker 9: Well, two things to that.
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Speaker 10: First of all, if.
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Speaker 8: Other teams know you're going to pass whatever it is, 70, 75% of the time.
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Speaker 9: They're going to tee off on you.
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Speaker 10: They're going to say.
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Speaker 9: Screw it.
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Speaker 8: We'll give up a five to 10 yard game. Occasionally gain occasionally. If it means getting to the quarterback and.
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Speaker 9: Punishing Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 8: And two, when you need to run in short yardage situations, like I mentioned on fourth and one in the first quarter, you're not going to be able to do it or yours. You're, more unlikely able to do it, and it leads to decisions like, well, we don't want to pass and have an incomplete pass, so let's just punt the ball away. I think that's a pass-backwards way of going about offense in the modern-day NFL.
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Speaker 5: Treggs, what are you hoping to see out of this defense this weekend?
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Speaker 10: A physical response.
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Speaker 8: You know, Jordan Battle caught some flack a couple hours ago on social media for saying that Malik Willis tends to tap the ball.
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Speaker 9: And that's a.
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Speaker 8: Tell on maybe the Bengals.
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Speaker 10: Getting a read and being able to pick off.
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Speaker 9: Malik a couple of.
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Speaker 8: Times this this sunday i think those are often overblown because a quarterback's not going to change what he's going to do in a couple of days he's just not um Would Zach Taylor have preferred him not to say that?
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Speaker 9: Sure.
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Speaker 8: But what I'm looking for from this Bengal offense is to be able to stop the tight ends and stop the run a little more physically and get this Miami team in third.
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Speaker 9: And medium, third and long more.
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Speaker 10: And do what they did, frankly, against this Miami.
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Speaker 8: Team last year. And granted, it's a different head coach, a lot of different personnel, but Take the wind out of this Miami team early. That's what I'm looking for the Bengals to do on Sunday. Do not let Miami think that they're in the game in the second half with a chance to pull off an upset, and then you walk out of Miami questioning the rest of your season.
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Speaker 4: Treggs, how can listeners read, watch, and follow all your fantastic content?
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Speaker 8: Clnscentee with y.com. You can follow my locker room interviews today with Jordan Battle, Dante Myers, and Brian Cook on the X at Trags, T-R-A-G-S. And those interviews also are on my YouTube page. That's the Jungle War podcast YouTube page, youtube.com slash at Jungle War pod.
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Speaker 5: Trags, always fun. Good to have you back. Great hearing you today.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. We'll talk next week.
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Speaker 10: Appreciate it, gentlemen.
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Speaker 11: Take care.
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Speaker 4: He is Trags, Mike Petrae. weekly staple of the show. Still ahead, we'll get into a little bit more on that offense and the run game and under center and how the NFL is changing and maybe the Bengals need to Jump on board with that.
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Speaker 3: He's Rocky. I'm Lance.
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Speaker 4: It's the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution and powered by Tobe Sheldon. We're at Longnecks and Wilder on 700 WLW. Sheldon, you know, the Roundtable Show brought to you in part by Miami University. Where today's students become tomorrow's leaders. Visit MiamiOH.edu. And OrthoHeal, the cast that keeps moving. Visit OrthoHealWaterproofCast.com. We take it until 9 tonight. We've got our drawing. You're going to be in the house to win. We'll do that at 9 when it's over. If you're in the house, make sure you get a ticket from your server. We'll do the drawing later in the show. Our regular cast tonight. On hand tonight, Mike Mills, our engineer taking care of us, Russ Jackson back at the station, Fran and his lovely wife Phyllis here. At the moment, Fran is blocked by the, so I can, I think Fran's hiding from me. He's perfectly positioned behind, but Phyllis has her own personal speaker. It's only granted to select people, and the select person would be her only. I don't want anybody else coming here saying, when I come, do I get a speaker? No, only Phyllis gets a speaker. Phyllis does, yes.
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Speaker 11: She is dedicated.
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Speaker 4: Yes. Maybe she should sign the side of it. Brandon and Phyllis are dedicated. Yeah, they should sign the side of it and personalize it. Something significant I was going to say. You changed your order tonight. Please explain this because you are a creature of habit. What caused you to deviate from your, I never get the name of it, tri-stake?
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Speaker 3: Tri-Tip Steak Casey Diaz, which I've ordered every day for the last two years. 57 consecutive shows. Unofficial. I don't want to upset you.
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Speaker 9: Oh, boy.
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Speaker 3: Because it goes back to superstition. And I need to change it up.
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Speaker 7: Of course.
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Speaker 3: And I need to break the cycle.
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Speaker 12: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know.
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Speaker 4: So you reach a point with it when you're superstitious. You do something consistently enough. You then have to change to get ahead.
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Speaker 3: Of the superstition.
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Speaker 6: If the results that I'm getting in certain areas that I deem... reasonable or not met, then we have.
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Speaker 3: To change the mojo. You run the analytics. No, there's no analytics. It's purely on a gut feel kind of thing. And if certain things happen... Of course it is.
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Speaker 6: By the way, I was thinking, I thought a lot about our conversation and your anger at my superstition.
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Speaker 3: Yes. Are they superstitions or are they routines?
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Speaker 4: Are you asking me about mine or are you about yours? It was in general.
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Speaker 3: It's just a conversation. I mean, you call them superstitions. I call them routines.
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Speaker 4: Now, remember, see, for the record, this all started with the segment you do with Mo where he asked you if you were superstitious.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: And then you divulged all that public information, which is saved on podcasts for eternity.
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Speaker 3: To listen to.
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Speaker 4: So you're the one who classified it as superstition. Well, maybe that's what I'm saying. Now if you want to backtrack and reclassify it as routine.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm going to do right now.
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Speaker 4: So that makes me think that you've thought that you need to make it less weird. Let's just call it routines.
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Speaker 6: Actually, I just saw how disappointed you were in me, and I felt bad.
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Speaker 3: I was very. I know you were. Because you, I have such an image. Kind of let him down. I have such an image.
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Speaker 4: I point up like almost a pedestal of how I view you, and I'm like, superstitions.
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Speaker 3: Well, the pedestal just got cut. So there you go. So there you go. I'm trying to change your mind. Anyway, go ahead.
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Speaker 5: That's good. All right, let's talk about this Bengals offense.
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Speaker 4: The great debate of what they're doing, why they're doing it, if they can change it. I want to go back to Joe Burrow creating quite a stir on Sunday when he was asked about a game where they barely ran the football. They said, you know, would you like more balance? And he said, I think we should throw it more. Dan Hoard asked him yesterday to clarify if he really meant the rest of the season or just specifically in Sunday's game.
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Speaker 5: Here's Joe in answering that.
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Speaker 13: Can I clarify something from Sunday after the game when you said we should throw in more or.
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Speaker 3: Something to that event?
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Speaker 13: Were you talking specifically about the game situation as opposed to in general?
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Speaker 14: I might have been a little emotional after the game.
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Speaker 15: Obviously, you want to have balance as an offense. The run game wasn't good enough on Sunday. I feel confident in myself that you put it in my hands and I'm going to make it work. Obviously, like you said, it's very situational. You know, when you get into a game like Sunday and, you know, they're a really good defense, really good front seven.
00:24:18
Speaker 9: And I felt like we.
00:24:19
Speaker 10: Were moving the ball.
00:24:21
Speaker 9: Pretty well in the past game.
00:24:23
Speaker 15: And I could have been better in spots to help our guys and not put our defense in bad positions with the turnovers.
00:24:33
Speaker 3: But, yeah, we've got to be more balanced going forward.
00:24:35
Speaker 9: And a big part of that is the run game.
00:24:38
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, yesterday, and Rock, we're going to go ahead and make this our hot topic of the week, brought to you by Hudson Oil, fueling champions on and off the field. And this comes down to that great clash of what you do well versus what you might be uncomfortable with but probably need to do more of, and the balancing of that, plus, I don't know, there's just a lot at play here that You just– and we both read the piece by Ben Solick this week from ESPN, and his basic premise was– and I didn't realize the trend was going this way. There are fewer shotgun snaps this year in the NFL. The rate of shotgun snaps around the NFL, the lowest since 2017. There's a clear shift to more under center, and yet the Bengals– To their credit, they realized that and started to work on it, but it's just not coming. Does that mean you bail on it, or does that mean you just have to figure out a way to be better at it?
00:25:32
Speaker 6: Well, let's separate run game from under center. Let's save that conversation a second. Here's how I look at it. When it comes to the run game, okay, first of all, you come into that game knowing that the Jags have the best run defense in the NFL, and they've held, what, 20, was it 21 opponents.
00:25:49
Speaker 3: Or rushers under 75 yards?
00:25:51
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:25:52
Speaker 3: So you already know that coming in. So it's not like it's a fluke thing.
00:25:55
Speaker 6: Like if you play a defense that's middling in terms of stopping the run, and all of a sudden they're just stopping your run early, I think you have a little more confidence.
00:26:02
Speaker 3: And we already know that these guys are good at that.
00:26:04
Speaker 6: And the Bengals had 71 offensive plays, and I just don't believe that you keep banging your head against the wall when you know, those players know, the offensive line knows, Zach Taylor knows, the running game ain't happening today. Maybe we had some things kind of schemed up we thought would give us an advantage today, They countered, and it's not happening. So I just don't think you beat your head against the wall trying to do something that clearly is not going to happen and go to your strength, which is throwing the football.
00:26:30
Speaker 4: I asked Charlie Goldsmith last night, Charlie's chalkboard. He was with me on Sports Talk, and I asked him, I said, is the time and effort they're putting into under center worth it right now based on the– the lack of results they're getting.
00:26:43
Speaker 5: I said, is there hurt in it, do you think? Listen to what Charlie said.
00:26:48
Speaker 16: I think the second part is the ultimate question. The most telling thing out of everything that happened on Sunday from a schematic perspective was they came out of halftime and tried, really tried to three attempts at explosive under center plays. And then after that, those three plays were bad from a results perspective. They didn't run another under center play the rest of the game. So clearly something, some conversation happened that went from the Bengals saying.
00:27:13
Speaker 8: We're gonna push to this, to we're not.
00:27:15
Speaker 9: Doing this anymore.
00:27:16
Speaker 16: So it's that emotion that I think is really interesting. and would be the important piece behind the curtain.
00:27:21
Speaker 8: But I absolutely think they need it.
00:27:23
Speaker 16: I've been thinking a lot about the 2022 Bengals because that's the team that abandoned the under center offense.
00:27:28
Speaker 2: And they were great.
00:27:28
Speaker 10: We love the 2022 Bengals from a how they play perspective.
00:27:32
Speaker 16: And when everything is perfect, you can win a.
00:27:34
Speaker 9: Super Bowl playing that way.
00:27:35
Speaker 16: But I was thinking then about the 2022 AFC title game. Tyler Boyd exits with an injury. Of course, the line was banged up as well. They doubled Jamar in the Bengals offense, didn't have the counter that they needed in that moment, and they didn't make it to the Super Bowl. If something that you're not counting on happened in January, you're going to need to pivot, and you need things to pivot to, and that's why I keep the under center offense alive.
00:28:00
Speaker 4: Charlie Goldsmith last night on Sports Talk. Rock from the Ben Solak piece, and this is more under center specifically. He notes when you play in only one mode, opposing defenses can tee off. He says the Jaguars were in cover two more than tripled their rate of the first three weeks of the season. The Bengals had no way to get them out of it. I would equate it to baseball. The pitcher, you may be able to throw 101, but if you keep throwing 101, eventually they're going to time it and hit it. It's like not having a curveball to go to. Doesn't this team, if their shotgun is their fastball, don't they need something in their arsenal that is a breaking ball to pivot at times during a game?
00:28:43
Speaker 3: Or not? Or are you leaning.
00:28:45
Speaker 5: Into your fastball just being your dominant pitch?
00:28:48
Speaker 6: Yes, but there's other change-up pitches than the under-center offense. I feel like we're so fixated on this under-center thing.
00:28:55
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:28:56
Speaker 4: And I get that, but then my response is, why is it so complicated? Joe Burrow doesn't like it.
00:29:04
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow doesn't like it. Maybe that's it.
00:29:07
Speaker 6: He doesn't like it because he's not good at it, and he's not good at it because he doesn't like it.
00:29:10
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm glad you said that, because it's not like it's rocket science here. If the trend around the rest of the league is to go more under center and away from the shotgun, It can't be that hard, but I think there is. That's why I asked Charlie, do you believe there are hearts in it? I wonder if Joe's heart's in it, and I don't know that it is.
00:29:29
Speaker 3: If every week on.
00:29:31
Speaker 6: This show at, you know, whatever, 8.30, you had to do a segment on knitting, you would be like, I don't like this in the would say, why aren't you better at that segment? The ratings are terrible, but I don't like it. So you're not good at it because you don't like it. Joe Burrow doesn't like this. It's something he... And I think.
00:29:51
Speaker 3: He feels, and I feel... There's other things you can do. There's other schemes.
00:29:56
Speaker 6: I'm not saying abandon the running game. Now, I think you banned the running game in the Jags game. You came with a plan.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: It wasn't good.
00:30:04
Speaker 6: So in that moment, you're not going to redo some scheme. You only get 70 plays. And this is a dumb example, but I know this from calling offenses in youth games. If something doesn't work, you're going to go away from it because you only get so many snaps at it. So it's like, why keep trying to make this thing that isn't working and I don't like it? It'd be one thing if I didn't like it and it was working. But if both of them are like, well, ah.
00:30:33
Speaker 4: But see, I understand that point, but the stubborn part of me says– That sounds like a little kid who's just saying, but.
00:30:42
Speaker 3: It's too hard. I think, I mean, Joe Burrow's an elite quarterback. I just can't.
00:30:49
Speaker 4: It sounds like they're saying, but I don't want to do it, Dad.
00:30:53
Speaker 3: It's too hard.
00:30:54
Speaker 4: And I would say, son, you're going to have to figure out how to be better at it because, you know, you've got to grow.
00:31:01
Speaker 3: Up at some point. I understand what you're saying.
00:31:03
Speaker 4: I'm not calling Joe Burrow a baby, but, I mean, my God, he's smart enough to realize under center offense makes them a better offense, so figure out a way to execute it.
00:31:11
Speaker 3: But that's what I don't get.
00:31:12
Speaker 4: I don't get just giving it up because you're not good at it.
00:31:15
Speaker 3: My argument is get better at it. Give me a point in this.
00:31:18
Speaker 6: Offseason or preseason or four weeks through the season where that thing is just hummed, where it just looks really good.
00:31:27
Speaker 4: What does that say about Zach Taylor and the offensive coaches?
00:31:30
Speaker 3: They spent the entire offseason working on it.
00:31:33
Speaker 4: They spent training camp putting it in, and it's a mess a week in or four weeks in.
00:31:39
Speaker 3: They get nothing out of it. How is that possible?
00:31:42
Speaker 6: But do you ask Nolan Ryan to throw a knuckle curve? No, he has plenty of other good pitches. Why are you going to ask him to throw a pitch that he hates and isn't good at? He's got plenty of other pitches. You know what I'm saying? You know what now surprises me? Not as much about the superstitions.
00:32:02
Speaker 3: You didn't think I was going to come out with this. No, I like this.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: But you're now opening the door to you're accepting quitting.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: You're a quitter. Not quitting. You're just quitting.
00:32:12
Speaker 5: No, you're quitting.
00:32:13
Speaker 3: But at some point.
00:32:13
Speaker 5: I don't like the results. I'm not good at this. I'm not going to do it anymore.
00:32:17
Speaker 6: It'd be one thing if this was like the first week and we're just going to try this. But at no point in the offseason, in the preseason, in the preseason games, in the games so far this year, have they been good at it.
00:32:28
Speaker 3: So at some point, do you keep banging your head? We've got to win games, man. We've got to do stuff that works like right now. Like right now. So maybe it's not that. Maybe there's a thing.
00:32:37
Speaker 6: Look, he clearly likes to be able to see the defense so he can manipulate the coverage.
00:32:42
Speaker 3: And he is one of the best in the league.
00:32:45
Speaker 6: Maybe there's something that complements that. You know, something that's different. It doesn't have to be, you know, we throw the ball. It doesn't have to be the running shoe. We don't have to throw the ball 80 times a game. But is there some sort of something, a little change up.
00:32:56
Speaker 4: A screen, more screens, more draws? Okay, I get where you're going with that. Because at some point I would think. you're going to need, there will be a moment, like Charlie laid out, there'll be a moment where that will take you so far, and there's going to be that moment, you've got.
00:33:12
Speaker 3: To be able to go to something else.
00:33:15
Speaker 4: And if it's not there because it was too hard, then.
00:33:19
Speaker 3: You're going to lose and your season is over. But answer me this.
00:33:23
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:33:24
Speaker 3: Does a smart coach.
00:33:25
Speaker 6: implement the system that he wants or does he implement the system that.
00:33:29
Speaker 3: Best fits his players?
00:33:30
Speaker 6: Do you ask a triple option team, you can say, well, you know, God, Texas Tech, they throw the ball down the field.
00:33:36
Speaker 3: Do you ask them to do that? They say, no, that's not what we do. But we do other things.
00:33:42
Speaker 6: We don't throw fastballs the entire time. We have little change-ups, but it's not that particular change-up.
00:33:48
Speaker 4: And I would say in that analogy, we're not asking, I think, is something very basic. Triple option is something very complicated. I think we're I think the Bengals are failing at something very basic, and that's what's frustrating to me because an under-center offense isn't reinventing.
00:34:07
Speaker 3: The NFL or offense. No, it's not.
00:34:10
Speaker 5: It's the very genesis of what football was.
00:34:13
Speaker 6: But I will say this. These quarterbacks are coming out of college now. Don't go under-center a lot at all. I watch entire games where they never go under-center.
00:34:20
Speaker 4: But to that point, why do you think league-wide shotgun rates are at their lowest since 2017? That tells me that the majority of the league is saying– We've got to evolve, and all things are cyclical. They cycle through, and the trend is pushing us towards that, and yet the Bengals aren't good. So the Bengals are getting further behind the curve. If fewer teams are using the shotgun and the Bengals are resistant to that, then they're falling further behind the curve of the NFL.
00:34:47
Speaker 6: That's frustrating. But why do we feel the need to conform to... The under center offense.
00:34:55
Speaker 4: I think we're using two different word twists. I love this conversation. You're saying conform. I'm saying just get better. Just reasonably get better at it. I'm not asking you to conform and change your behavior.
00:35:08
Speaker 3: We're a month in the season. You're not getting better. You're not learning. You can say you failed in the offseason. You can say that. Okay, that's what I was just going to say.
00:35:17
Speaker 5: Then let's just say they failed at this.
00:35:19
Speaker 7: Okay, great.
00:35:19
Speaker 3: But the reality is we're in week five, man. We've got to win games.
00:35:23
Speaker 6: And do we continue to do this thing that we've tried it, we've wanted it to work, we've schemed it, we've tried it to work, and it just ain't working?
00:35:30
Speaker 3: Or do we do something, hey, let's– we do this other thing well.
00:35:33
Speaker 6: Let's maybe find another little wrinkle off of that and do that. And, by the way, our quarterback probably likes that more than he does the under center stuff. I just think the offseason is the time for trying things. And the preseason is– seeing how that works.
00:35:48
Speaker 3: And if you have success, then you build on it.
00:35:49
Speaker 6: But if you don't, you kind of got to go away from it because it would be different if you had 200 snaps in a game. You get 70. You get 70, but it really feels like you get about 15 because every snap matters. And I just don't know why you do something that– It just doesn't seem to fit.
00:36:09
Speaker 4: I'm having a very difficult time accepting the fact that you're making sense in a lot of ways.
00:36:16
Speaker 3: Take a time out. We will continue. He's Rocky. I'm Lance.
00:36:21
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00:36:32
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00:37:02
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00:37:59
Speaker 5: There's no question. It took him to the Super Bowl, it took him back.
00:38:02
Speaker 4: I wonder sometimes if Zach needs to be more of the, get the red ass a little bit more with this team. And a lot behind the scenes we'll never see. He was very boisterous in the locker room and and believing in his guys, he said on Sunday. But I wonder, though, having been around coaches, don't you have to stay true to your character? And if you change, it appears fake or desperate maybe?
00:38:26
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was going to say. I mean, I agree with you.
00:38:28
Speaker 6: I would like to see a little more red ass, to use your term. I would like to see a little more fire. But that's not who you hired.
00:38:34
Speaker 3: If you want.
00:38:34
Speaker 6: Fiery and you want all that, then hire Nick Saban. But if you want calm and cool and, hey, we're always positive– Because, yes, you don't all of a sudden want a coach who, by all accounts, over the years, we've talked about it often, players love him, right? And that seems to be a good thing, and they feel like he's genuine. And if he all of a sudden tries to be someone he's not, do you further damage where things are right now?
00:38:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is something to be said for, you can speak to this, The even-keeled, consistent nature.
00:39:05
Speaker 3: That was Dungy. Consistency. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
00:39:09
Speaker 6: But, you know, Colts were also winning, you know, 10-plus or 12, 15-plus games.
00:39:14
Speaker 4: And as you mentioned that, I think in Tampa Bay, if I'm right, wasn't it they moved on from Dungy and it turned to John Gruden, and Gruden and Dungy are like polar opposites. It was just a different personality that at the moment they thought the Buccaneers needed.
00:39:29
Speaker 3: And it got them to a Super Bowl.
00:39:31
Speaker 4: And yet Dungy then wins a Super Bowl of the Colts.
00:39:33
Speaker 6: I bet that was the conversation. And Tampa Bay, man, we've got a good roster here. But we just need a little more. And that's why they went with it.
00:39:39
Speaker 11: All right.
00:39:39
Speaker 5: That's one hour in the books just like that.
00:39:41
Speaker 3: Holy cow.
00:39:42
Speaker 4: When we come back, Chad Brendel talks UC football. Greg Shoemaker is back with the high school football tonight. Preview coming up at 736. Dan Klaskens has your fantasy football coming up at 750.
00:39:54
Speaker 3: He's Rocky. I'm Lance.
00:39:55
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00:40:07
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00:40:10
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00:40:15
Speaker 18: The president and the vice president expected in Ohio once again as the midterms approach. With the 7 o'clock report, I'm Brady Hopkins breaking now. Ohio and Texas are considered crucial to Republican hopes of holding on to control of Congress. Vice President J.D. Vance will have a rally tomorrow in Lima, Ohio. First, Senator John Husted. And then President Trump will be back in the Buckeye State again on Monday to try to provide a boost to Husted's campaign. The president has already been to Texas three times to help the Republican candidate there. ABC's Rachel Scott has more.
00:40:48
Speaker 12: It is quite amazing here that we are less than 30 days to go until the midterm elections. And President Trump is back in Texas for the third time in four weeks, for the second time in just two weeks. trying to campaign for Republican Ken Paxton and what has become an increasingly tight race with the Democrat James Tallarico. And over the past several days, there's been all this audio that has leaked out of Ken Paxton sort of admitting that he doesn't really have control of this scenario. He's blaming that Republican midterm convention the president had for suddenly losing momentum in this race, as polls show.
00:41:24
Speaker 18: The latest poll on the Texas race shows the Democratic candidate with a three-point lead. And here in Ohio, a new CNN poll gives Democrat Sherrod Brown a six-point lead over John Husted. It is time to check the roads, the latest traffic, and weather together. Right now, roads are looking a little bit messy right now on this beautiful Thursday evening. Got quite a bit of accidents right now. The right lane is blocked on State Route 562 westbound at 75 due to an accident. We had the left lane blocked on the on-ramp to 71 southbound at US 50 west due to an accident. We also got the right shoulder blocked on 275 westbound ramp to 71 north. That is due to an accident as well. And the left shoulder is blocked on 275 eastbound beyond Colerain Avenue due to an disabled vehicle. And we got a big construction spot right now where all lanes are blocked on 74 at 275 and US 52. And also the 275 westbound interchange due to repairs and maintenance. Now let's check out your latest forecast.
00:42:21
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Speaker 19: For tonight, clear skies and we'll drop down to a morning low of 50 degrees. Tomorrow on Friday, it's sunny skies and a high of 80. By tomorrow night, we're looking at clear and a low down to 58, but wet and windy this weekend. From your severe weather station, I'm 9 First Warning Chief Meteorologist Steve Raleigh. News Radio 700 WLW. 70 degrees right now here in Cincinnati. Mostly sunny skies on Sunday with a slight chance of rain for the Bengals game as they head to Miami to take on the Dolphins. This game day forecast is built by TLG Peterbilt Cincinnati, keeping customers for life. The opening ceremony for Blink is tonight in Over the Rhine, where a street party on Central Parkway in front of Tikiwell Stadium. And the lights installations will be switched on in just about 45 minutes.
00:43:22
Speaker 5: The event is free and attracts people from all over the world.
00:43:26
Speaker 20: We see about 2 million people come to this event over the course of the weekend. And yeah, it's people from our region, people from across the country. We have people coming in internationally.
00:43:38
Speaker 18: Amy Fitzgibbons is with the Cincinnati Regional Chamber of Commerce, and more than 90 artists from 20 different countries are participating in this year's event. In the meantime, electric scooters are getting the attention of the Ohio State Legislature. It's because of the concerns of one particular lawmaker who believes it is time to bring the law up to date when it comes to those highly popular modes of inexpensive transportation.
00:44:01
Speaker 21: The state already regulates all other motorized vehicles, so state Senator Bill DeMora says it only makes sense to have laws in Ohio regarding the use of e-bikes and electric scooters.
00:44:10
Speaker 3: I know in my neighborhood, I see eight, nine-year-olds on these things.
00:44:13
Speaker 11: I mean, it's just not safe.
00:44:15
Speaker 21: The proposed bill would require a driver's permit of anyone on an e-bike and set the age to use an e-scooter at 14. Regulations would also require helmets and would establish speed limits for the bikes and scooters when they're on a shared path with walkers or people riding non-motorized bikes.
00:44:29
Speaker 4: We decided we needed to have one set of rules to govern the state because, you know, if you go from one suburb of Columbus to the other, which is next to each other, you can be legal in one suburb, but then illegal in the other.
00:44:39
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00:46:13
Speaker 5: All right, here we go.
00:46:14
Speaker 4: Roundtable show Thursday night. Longnecks in Wilder. Lance McAllister, Rocky Boyman, thanks for hanging.
00:46:19
Speaker 3: Out with us.
00:46:19
Speaker 5: A spirited first hour. Two more to.
00:46:21
Speaker 4: Unfold between now and 9 o'clock. Dan Carroll in at that time. Each and every week at this time, though, we talk UC football. Now 4-1 of the Bearcats after a 34-7 loss at Arizona Saturday night. Off this week at West Virginia for a noon kick next Saturday. For more on the Bearcats, let's welcome in the man. that is Bearcat Journal and BearcatJournal.com, Chad Brendel.
00:46:45
Speaker 5: Good evening.
00:46:47
Speaker 11: Good evening, gentlemen.
00:46:50
Speaker 4: So take me back to Saturday night, 34-7. What aspect, was there an aspect of that game in particular that you found most surprising, that you did not expect to see?
00:47:01
Speaker 8: Oof.
00:47:07
Speaker 23: Surprising, I would say, would be Arizona running for 200-plus yards for a team that really wasn't all that interested in running the ball.
00:47:18
Speaker 11: And rightfully so. They want to put the ball in the hands of Noah Fafita.
00:47:21
Speaker 23: But then once they got Cincinnati down, they ran right at them and ran with a ton of success. So surprising would probably be that.
00:47:30
Speaker 11: The rest.
00:47:32
Speaker 23: It wasn't that far out of the realm of imagination if you analyzed the two teams.
00:47:40
Speaker 6: So, Chad, let me ask you this, just a greater question about the Big 12. How do you feel about the strength of the teams in general in the Big 12? I mean, on the AP right now, BYU is ranked 8th, Texas Tech 11th. But I just feel like the conversation in college football is SEC, Big 10, Miami– But I'd like your thoughts on the Big 12 in general and just the strength you feel it has, if any.
00:48:09
Speaker 23: I don't think there's a national championship team. If you're looking at this team can win a title, I don't know that there's one of those, especially now. If there was one, I've been on the BYU train all offseason and into the season. LJ Martin being out for four to six weeks, that was the heart of their offense, and that is a devastating.
00:48:36
Speaker 11: Blow for BYU.
00:48:37
Speaker 23: Texas Tech's offense stinks.
00:48:39
Speaker 11: So I don't know how much you.
00:48:42
Speaker 23: Their defense is good, but their offense is hard to watch right now.
00:48:49
Speaker 9: Houston.
00:48:50
Speaker 23: I mean, Houston is an underdog this week at Kansas State.
00:48:54
Speaker 11: Think about that.
00:48:56
Speaker 18: So.
00:48:59
Speaker 23: Utah might be the one to keep an eye on. They've played really well. I kind of thought they had a lot of guys leave.
00:49:13
Speaker 11: When their coach left.
00:49:15
Speaker 23: They were replacing their entire offensive and defensive lines.
00:49:18
Speaker 11: It felt like there was.
00:49:20
Speaker 23: a dip that was coming for Utah, and we haven't really seen that dip materialize. So maybe it's Utah, but I think that's the main thing, Rocky, now. You can see Miami as a team that could get back to the national championship game and play for a title. Notre Dame, I think, deserves mention in that conversation, and then the SEC and the Big Ten teams. I just don't think there's a Big 12 team you circle and go, boy, that's a team really, like, they can get hot in December and win it all. But I do think the conference is pretty good at the top with playoff-quality teams. I just don't think there's anybody you look at and you're like, man, that's a team that could really.
00:50:03
Speaker 11: Go on a run.
00:50:05
Speaker 4: Chad, with the bye off this week, West Virginia next week, self-scouting taking place, what would pop up in flashing lights as the biggest issue in self-scouting and improvement between now and West Virginia as they reflect back on the first five?
00:50:26
Speaker 23: This probably won't be a problem against West Virginia per se, but what are you going to do against– they play four– over their final seven games that are top 20 in the country in run defense, and three of them are top 10. What are you going to do if you can't run for it? Let's be conservative. If you can't run for 150 yards in a game, what's the answer? And I think some of that has to come from, and Satterfield talked about it Tuesday, some of that has.
00:51:04
Speaker 11: To come from J.C.
00:51:06
Speaker 23: French is going to have to take a little bit more chances. If it's working, in that Kansas State game, you don't want him putting the ball in harm's way because you're controlling the game on the ground. You're ripping off 15, 20, 25, 30-yard gains. You don't want him taking chances. But if you can't run successfully, and more importantly, if you can't create those splash plays with the running game, they have to come from somewhere. Sometimes you're going to have to put the ball in danger a little bit and trust your guys to make a play. I think that's really what they're going to have to try to start figuring out over this week and the next week is, what is our plan if a team puts seven in the box and we're blocking five on seven? to stop our run game, what are we going to do when, you know, we're not running it with great success?
00:52:03
Speaker 4: I've got to ask you about the Bearcats basketball. Karasaurus Invitational and their family tennis center outdoors on a tennis court, then against Ohio State, then Xavier and Dayton, of course.
00:52:15
Speaker 5: Let me break it down into a two-part question.
00:52:17
Speaker 4: In terms of the look and how it played out, from the idea the concept before we get into actual performance how did it look and feel what did you make.
00:52:28
Speaker 23: Of yesterday it was awesome that's what i've heard from everybody yeah that was it's such a great facility like kudos to to those folks because they put together a masterpiece of a of a place to hang out and and watch a sporting event um loved the sight lines were great just walking around the facility and kind of getting a feel for the vibe around the place.
00:52:55
Speaker 11: Just an awesome awesome venue um.
00:52:59
Speaker 23: Yeah sure like the the sun was a little bit of a problem and and you know the wind was a little bit more than you would like it to be in a perfect situation but you got those four teams in one place at one time i i I couldn't have been more pleased with how the event was orchestrated.
00:53:20
Speaker 4: Taking into account sun, shade, everything that was factored into the performances yesterday, what did you take away from UC's basketball performance?
00:53:31
Speaker 23: In a lot of my conversations, just in talking to Jared Calhoun, he talks a lot about how his teams finish games. And, like, if you watched or listened to Mo and Terry call that game, really Ohio State was in control for 25, 30 minutes of that game.
00:53:53
Speaker 11: You know, they're up somewhere.
00:53:54
Speaker 23: Between five, seven, eight points for most of the game. And then you got to about the 10-minute mark. Cincinnati walked them down. They tied it up with about five and a half minutes left. and then outscored them by 11 in the final five and a half minutes. They played good defense. And more importantly, Lance, did you know that guards are allowed to go to the rim, get fouled, and go to the free throw line?
00:54:23
Speaker 1: What?
00:54:26
Speaker 11: How about this?
00:54:27
Speaker 23: Jizzle James, I hate bringing up, but this one's too good. Jizzle James last year played 23 games for the Bearcats. How many free throws do you think he took in those 23 games last year?
00:54:40
Speaker 4: Take a guess.
00:54:43
Speaker 3: 26.
00:54:45
Speaker 11: Close.
00:54:46
Speaker 3: 22.
00:54:46
Speaker 9: Ooh.
00:54:48
Speaker 11: Tylan Riley took 16 free throws yesterday.
00:54:50
Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
00:54:51
Speaker 20: Wow.
00:54:54
Speaker 3: And that's the difference.
00:54:56
Speaker 23: Why can't Wes be consistent? Why couldn't that team, over Wes's tenure, be consistent on offense? Because they never got to the line. They never got easy points. They never put pressure downhill.
00:55:09
Speaker 11: On a defense.
00:55:10
Speaker 23: And they couldn't shoot because, you know, a lot of it I do think was, especially in the first half and then Ohio State's side in the second half, the sun was beating down on that side of the court where you're looking into it trying to shoot. That's going to be really difficult to shoot. They only took six threes in the second half, and they attack, attack, attack, attack relentlessly at Ohio State. And it was the difference in the game. And it's how you have to play offense.
00:55:37
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:55:38
Speaker 23: To consistently be good at offense. The three-point shooting will come, it'll go, but it can't be as simple as, did we shoot it well? Yes, then we probably won. Did we shoot it poorly? No, then we probably lost. You have to have other... Mick used to say, you have to be able to dance all the dances. And this team now looks like they're going to be able to dance some more dances.
00:56:01
Speaker 3: I like that.
00:56:02
Speaker 6: Chad, I want to go back to just the presentation of the game, being outdoors and all that, and obviously... A lot of people like it. There's a lot of buzz about it, which means guess what? They're probably going to try more of it. What's your thoughts on how the coaches feel about it? Do they embrace the fact that it's a must-see event and there's buzz around it and there's more eyeballs and it's kind of fun, but I've got to deal with the sun and the wind and dew on the court? Do they like them or would they rather them go away? What's your thought on that?
00:56:32
Speaker 23: I don't think there was much of a complaint about it. I think the things that were, you know, factors were things that they signed up for.
00:56:43
Speaker 11: Like they knew.
00:56:44
Speaker 23: Those things were going to be factors when they signed up to play this game at the tennis center. So I don't know what there really was to be unhappy about. There's something that might be coming, guys, that I think would be incredible. The NCAA just started a.
00:57:07
Speaker 11: Change.
00:57:07
Speaker 23: It's going through like the councils and whatever of college basketball summer league. Oh. Could you imagine a week at the tennis center with the basketball courts down and having– Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio State, Louisville, everybody coming up and spending for, like, the Bahamas trip, right?
00:57:37
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:57:38
Speaker 11: In August.
00:57:39
Speaker 23: Texas A & M was there. Cincinnati was there. Arkansas was there. And Valpo was there. And then South Carolina showed up later. It would basically be like doing that event. but the teams would round robin play each other as opposed to playing teams from Canada and other international teams. How amazing would that be to set that thing up in, you know, I think the problem, I guess, would be the tennis, like why they built it.
00:58:09
Speaker 5: But if you could run.
00:58:12
Speaker 11: An event like.
00:58:13
Speaker 3: That there, that would be crazy. Oh, it would be incredible. Yeah.
00:58:17
Speaker 19: Yeah.
00:58:18
Speaker 4: All right, you've got all of this covered and more at Bearcat Journal. Explain, preview, tease, lay out what they're going to find at bearcatjournal.com.
00:58:28
Speaker 23: A ton of coverage yesterday from the event. Keegan and Austin Bass both have stories up.
00:58:37
Speaker 11: On the website.
00:58:38
Speaker 23: We've got a podcast up on the website. And then we'll get ready for next week at West Virginia and Rock. I don't know how much West Virginia you've watched.
00:58:48
Speaker 3: I've not watched much.
00:58:50
Speaker 11: Rich Rod has Pat White and Steve Slayton back in Morgantown.
00:58:54
Speaker 3: That's what I hear. They've got it going pretty good.
00:58:59
Speaker 11: The only two.
00:59:02
Speaker 23: Programs in the country running for more yards than West Virginia right now are Air Force and Army.
00:59:09
Speaker 8: Oh.
00:59:10
Speaker 3: Geez. I was going to guess Northwestern.
00:59:15
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're running the wing team.
00:59:16
Speaker 7: How about that?
00:59:16
Speaker 3: West Virginia is the number one power four program.
00:59:26
Speaker 23: At almost 300 yards a game on the ground.
00:59:29
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:59:30
Speaker 11: There might be 1,000 yards.
00:59:32
Speaker 23: As bad as West Virginia's defense is, there might be 1,000 yards on the ground in Morgantown next Saturday at noon.
00:59:38
Speaker 4: Wow.
00:59:39
Speaker 5: Oh, man.
00:59:39
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, sir. We'll talk next week.
00:59:43
Speaker 11: Appreciate it, gentlemen. Have a great night.
00:59:45
Speaker 4: Chad Brindle, BearcatJournal.com. When we come back, more on the Bengals' defensive side of things, our defensive play of the game, and more. I want to ask Rock about quarterbacks tapping. the football and what Jordan Battle said today about Malik Willis.
01:00:00
Speaker 3: That is next. He's Rocky. I'm Lance.
01:00:02
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01:00:04
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01:00:12
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01:00:21
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01:00:26
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01:01:24
Speaker 5: He's obviously dangerous with his feet. We know.
01:01:27
Speaker 3: About that.
01:01:28
Speaker 4: Third and long, they'll run quarterback draws. And he goes on to kind of give a little scouting report on Malik Willis. I guess the question would be, if you've uncovered through scouting a tell, for lack of a better word, something the quarterback does, tapping the ball with his hand before he throws it, Why would you, it seems you give up any advantage by publicly disclosing that you're aware of it.
01:01:54
Speaker 3: Duh, yeah. I can't understand why you would do this. And you could even say, hey, if you want to be cute.
01:02:03
Speaker 5: Wait, for the record, I think that's the first time I've ever heard you use the word, duh.
01:02:07
Speaker 6: And you'll be the last if this guy keeps still doing this.
01:02:12
Speaker 3: Any one thing, look, if you want to be cute.
01:02:13
Speaker 6: With the media and go, hey, there's something, a fundamental thing that the quarterback does we think we've picked up on that we really think we can use to our advantage.
01:02:22
Speaker 3: That would be acceptable.
01:02:23
Speaker 6: But why broadcast what exactly that thing is, I don't know. Now, I will say. Malik Willis is not the only quarterback that taps. I would say the majority of quarterbacks tap the ball before they throw it. Joe Burrow taps the ball before he throws at times. Now, is his more exaggerated.
01:02:40
Speaker 3: Elongated, whatever?
01:02:42
Speaker 6: But I always thought as a defensive player, yeah, you like that when the quarterback does the pat because that gives you a split-second indicator of when that ball is coming out.
01:02:51
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:02:51
Speaker 6: Because the ball is snapped, the shot clock is already going off your head, 1-1,000, 2-1,000. You get around 2-1,000, 3-1,000, and you know that that pat– That ball is coming out. And give you just a little bit of a break. I assume that's what he's talking about.
01:03:05
Speaker 5: I would think that if I'm Al Golden, I might be like, Jordan, come over here.
01:03:10
Speaker 3: Sit in my office, please.
01:03:12
Speaker 4: Could you please refrain from publicly revealing anything we just covered?
01:03:17
Speaker 3: Al Golden's got to be on there. This is hard enough.
01:03:19
Speaker 6: It's hard enough to win a football game in the NFL, and I've got to deal with this. He probably had scouts like, look at this, over the course of 75 games and blah, blah, blah.
01:03:31
Speaker 4: Somebody was probably excited to come into the office like, I got it.
01:03:34
Speaker 11: I got it.
01:03:35
Speaker 3: I got to tell. Look what he does. Jordan. Come on, man. By the way.
01:03:40
Speaker 2: Come on.
01:03:41
Speaker 4: The only thing he left out was, man, our scouts were really excited when they came in and told us this.
01:03:45
Speaker 5: You won't believe it.
01:03:46
Speaker 3: Now, maybe this is like a false flag operation. Oh.
01:03:52
Speaker 6: Maybe he's getting inside Malik Willis' head. He doesn't, in fact, do that, but he's going to get another tell.
01:03:57
Speaker 3: There you go.
01:03:59
Speaker 4: Now, we're watching. There's two games on that you're directly tied to. We'll talk later at Rockies Road. But Liberty is one of the games. Malik Willis played at Liberty, and you called one.
01:04:09
Speaker 3: Of his games at Liberty.
01:04:10
Speaker 6: I think it was his first game at Liberty. I want to say this is 2020, like COVID, like COVID. 2020, 2021, one of those two. Yeah, because he was originally at Auburn, and then he transferred to Liberty, and there was a lot of hype around him and his potential and all that.
01:04:26
Speaker 3: From what I recall, he didn't have a great game. I remember being like, I don't know. But then, I mean, you give him a lot of credit.
01:04:31
Speaker 6: He worked a lot and made his way, found his way into the league, and he just got that big contract, which is pretty significant for a backup.
01:04:39
Speaker 3: So, yeah, good for him.
01:04:40
Speaker 4: We'll talk more of Malik and the Dolphins coming up in the 8 o'clock hour.
01:04:44
Speaker 5: Greg Shoemaker. around the corner at 736.
01:04:46
Speaker 4: We were on the defensive side of things, so let's stay there with just a quick final thought. It kills me that I think they are now, I think the number I looked at earlier this week, the Bengals are giving up, I think it's two times as many yards per game to tight ends than either the league average, They're giving up two times as many yards to the tight ends. And I saw a note how few times the Bengals' corners were thrown at, targeted. And clearly, they're not being targeted because they're targeting the linebackers in the middle of the field.
01:05:20
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Here's a larger question. Can we get a different problem year to year? That's the thing. It kills me.
01:05:26
Speaker 6: The inability to stop a tight end, the inability to tackle, the inability to break tackles.
01:05:32
Speaker 3: I feel like those same things we talk about.
01:05:34
Speaker 4: Give me a different one. We can't cover all this. That's the genesis, not to get off on another Zach tangent. But that's the genesis of my frustration with Zach because it seems like the cycle of talking points just keeps churning and they're always the same thing. And I'm like, how can it always be the same thing eight years in?
01:05:53
Speaker 3: That means you're not taking care of any of these things.
01:05:56
Speaker 5: Kills me. Not getting worked up. I refuse to get worked up.
01:05:59
Speaker 3: I like worked up, Lance.
01:06:01
Speaker 5: Can you give us one more duh?
01:06:03
Speaker 3: Duh. There you go. He's Rocky. I'm Lance.
01:06:06
Speaker 4: It's the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati. I'm going to use that as a drop. As Willie would say, that's a cut.
01:06:11
Speaker 3: That's a cut.
01:06:12
Speaker 4: It's the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Toph Sheldon, Longnecks, and Wilder. 700-WLW. All right, let's keep it moving along on this Thursday night of the Roundtable Show. Nine o'clock, our final destination. We've got a giveaway at nine o'clock. Got to be here to win. We've navigated our way through some Bengals conversations, UC football conversation. Around the corner is Dan Klaskens with Fantasy Football. But for the moment, let's put the spotlight on high school football. There's one guy we turn to. High school football tonight show, tristatefootball.com. He has, for the record, been hobnobbing around, seeing like big musical.
01:06:53
Speaker 5: Acts and hitting the town. But he's come back.
01:06:57
Speaker 3: He's back. And we're back with Greg Shoemaker. How are you?
01:07:02
Speaker 4: I am wonderful.
01:07:03
Speaker 7: I have missed you guys over the last couple of weeks. And, yeah, hopped off four nights at Permanent Beyond.
01:07:09
Speaker 11: Nice.
01:07:10
Speaker 14: The following week, I went up to Field of Dreams in Iowa.
01:07:14
Speaker 7: There was Ohio State football.
01:07:16
Speaker 1: Nice.
01:07:16
Speaker 7: Saturday at Iowa.
01:07:18
Speaker 14: And then, Lance and Rocky, you being an Indianapolis guy.
01:07:23
Speaker 7: Made my first trip. to St. Elmo's and had the shrimp cocktail.
01:07:28
Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. Clear your nostrils and sinuses, man. That's right, buddy. Yeah, get it ready.
01:07:35
Speaker 7: It was worth it. And then the slippery noodle to end everything off on Sunday.
01:07:38
Speaker 3: Oh, man, you checked a lot of boxes.
01:07:40
Speaker 5: Excellent.
01:07:41
Speaker 3: Excellent. Very nice. Very nice.
01:07:43
Speaker 7: Bucket list weekend for sure.
01:07:45
Speaker 3: Excellent. Excellent.
01:07:45
Speaker 4: All right, let's get to some high school football. Let's start with Elder at Highlands. Highlands rolling and Elder's defense struggling.
01:07:54
Speaker 7: Boy, you got that right, Lance.
01:07:57
Speaker 14: You know, Elder started off the year 5-0, but they've lost their last two games to St.
01:08:02
Speaker 7: X and Moeller.
01:08:03
Speaker 14: The defense in that time has given up 897 yards, but here's the disturbing fact about that.
01:08:10
Speaker 7: Elder's defense has given.
01:08:11
Speaker 14: Up 16-24 third-down conversions and 3-4 fourth-down conversions, so they're not getting off the field. They gave up 66 points in those two games, and they only gave up 30 points in their first five victories, so Yeah, they're in trouble, and Highlands, like you said, they're red hot. They've won six in a row after losing their opener. They're averaging 47.5 points per game in those six wins, and it's just, I mean, those two teams, they're going in different directions, but I do say this. Both teams have wins over Cub Cap. Elder won a little bit more over Cub Cap than Highlands did, but Elder did play Cub Cap at home, and Highlands played him on the road, so that's one factor there. I think It's going to be a very close game, very high scoring game, and the quarterbacks are going to steal the show in this one.
01:08:59
Speaker 7: They're mirror images of each other.
01:09:01
Speaker 14: Elder senior quarterback Caden Eastep, he leads the GCL South in passing yards, and it's second in passing rushing yards. And he's accounted for 22 touchdowns on the year, 18 through the air, four on the ground. During this two-game losing streak for.
01:09:18
Speaker 7: Elder, He has also not missed a beat.
01:09:21
Speaker 14: He's gone 42-54 for 650 yards and six touchdowns through the year and one rushing, so it's not his fault on that end, but sophomore quarterback in Highlands.
01:09:33
Speaker 7: Bryce Armstrong is a real deal. He's starting to get some offers.
01:09:38
Speaker 14: He's also a dual-threat quarterback, leads the team on rushing yards, throwing for 900 as well, over 500 rushing, and like Eastep, he's also combined for 21 touchdowns passing and rushing.
01:09:51
Speaker 7: Very interesting game here.
01:09:53
Speaker 14: One thing I really think is interesting about Highlands is Armstrong doesn't have 900 yards passing, but he has hit 19 different receivers through seven games. The guy who has the most catches on that team has 16.
01:10:08
Speaker 7: Nobody else has more than nine.
01:10:10
Speaker 14: They have a shuttle running out at slot and on the end.
01:10:16
Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see if the elder defense can.
01:10:20
Speaker 14: Keep up with the speed and the versatility of the Highlands offense.
01:10:25
Speaker 6: All right, Greg, we've got a Southwest Ohio Conference title and playoff implications at stake when Talawanda takes on Harrison.
01:10:33
Speaker 3: Harrison Wildcats, 6-1. How are you seeing this?
01:10:37
Speaker 14: Yeah, so this is the last of the Southwest Ohio Conference titles to be won. And these two teams are sitting at 6-1 each. They're both in Division II, Region VIII. So not only are they battling for the league title, they're also looking to get a first-round buy in the playoffs and host a second-round game. Right now, the computer rankings through seven weeks. Harrison is sitting at number three in the rankings and Kalawanda at six. So the winner here is really going to set himself up nicely to get a first-round buy in the playoffs. But here's the interesting thing about this series. They've been playing for 20 straight years. Harrison holds an 18-2 advantage in this series over the last 20 years.
01:11:24
Speaker 7: So, you know, I want to go with Harrison, especially at home in this one. And I also like this about Harrison.
01:11:31
Speaker 11: They get up.
01:11:32
Speaker 14: They've got a pair of defensive backs that over the last two games have combined for 23 interceptions.
01:11:37
Speaker 7: Ben Markarian.
01:11:38
Speaker 3: He's going to Northern Illinois.
01:11:41
Speaker 7: He's got 11 over the last two years. And Jack Denier.
01:11:44
Speaker 14: Has got 12 over the last 20 games. So the 23 over the last 20 games for the Wildcats, which is something, guys, this.
01:11:51
Speaker 7: Is something I've never seen. I've never seen two guys in a backfield in a high school or defense in a.
01:11:56
Speaker 14: Backfield in a high school with double-digit interceptions on the same team.
01:11:59
Speaker 9: I mean, because.
01:12:01
Speaker 14: Usually you go away from one guy, and the other guy capitalizes on interceptions.
01:12:07
Speaker 7: But you can't do that against Harrison, which I think is really cool.
01:12:10
Speaker 4: All right, Alter at McNick, sole possession of first place in the conference, up for grabs.
01:12:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, really cool story here. Both teams sitting at 5-2 in the GCL co-ed, both at 2-0 in the league.
01:12:26
Speaker 14: McNick hasn't won a league title since 2017. They've ripped off four straight wins after starting 1-2.
01:12:31
Speaker 7: They've been fantastic. Their quarterback, Evan Sanfoss, is 41-57.
01:12:37
Speaker 14: For 618 yards and nine touchdowns, zero interceptions during their four-game winning streak after.
01:12:42
Speaker 7: Starting one and two.
01:12:43
Speaker 14: He threw five interceptions and just two interceptions in their first three weeks of the season.
01:12:47
Speaker 7: So they're rolling right along.
01:12:50
Speaker 14: And then defensive end for Hamilton, Max Hamilton.
01:12:54
Speaker 7: He has eight and a half.
01:12:54
Speaker 14: Sacks, 14 and a half tackles for losses just in the last three games alone. He's been a wrecking crew for the Rockets defense.
01:13:04
Speaker 7: But that said, I don't think he's going to have that kind of night. because Alter is going to run the football with Drew Cripps. He's a Miami of Ohio.
01:13:10
Speaker 14: He's a fantastic running back and defensive back.
01:13:14
Speaker 7: He's going to be one of those kids we talk about about.
01:13:17
Speaker 14: Three years at Miami of Ohio. Drew Cripps, don't forget him. And here's the other thing cool about this. These teams are both jockeying for position in Division III Region XII computer, where Nick's sitting at number nine in the ratings, Alter's at number 10. So neither one of them is in a position yet to get a first-round buy in the playoffs.
01:13:35
Speaker 7: And both of them still have number, Fahey, who's number 21 in the Bullets 25 rankings, both left on the schedule. And Fahey was one of the last eight GCL co-ed titles.
01:13:47
Speaker 14: So there's lots to be still played for in the GCL co-eds. And it's going to be a heck of a night over at Penn Station Stadium on the inside of town.
01:13:57
Speaker 6: All right, Greg, lastly, we've got a couple unbeaten teams going at it.
01:14:01
Speaker 3: The Hughes Big Red at CCPA. What are you seeing in this?
01:14:06
Speaker 10: How about that?
01:14:06
Speaker 7: This is a cool story, everybody.
01:14:09
Speaker 14: So these two teams weren't scheduled to play when the season started. Woodward was supposed to play against Hughes this week, and CCPA was supposed to play Schroeder. Both those teams are combined 2-11 on the year. But both of them had open dates, and so did Hughes and CCPA. They switched the games around so we could have a matchup between 7-0 teams.
01:14:32
Speaker 3: Pretty cool.
01:14:33
Speaker 7: It just happened to work. We have Jeff.
01:14:34
Speaker 14: Cargill talking about it on the pregame portion of high school football tonight. But what's really cool about this is this is history-making all over the Cincinnati Public Leagues. CC8PA is 7-0 for the first time in school history. 17th season for the program. The Lions have never won more than eight games in a year. Hughes is 7-0 for the first time in 102 years.
01:14:56
Speaker 9: And they are looking to go.
01:14:59
Speaker 7: They are looking to go.
01:15:02
Speaker 14: Great wins for the first time since 1988 and only their second time in their career. And here's the other cool thing about Hughes, and I'm really rooting for him, Jalen Engelman, their head coach, is just.
01:15:14
Speaker 7: 25 years old. He is a former Wentworth standout.
01:15:17
Speaker 14: Wow.
01:15:18
Speaker 7: They wanted him to get the job.
01:15:21
Speaker 14: His uncle retired last year.
01:15:24
Speaker 7: He was an assistant there, and the players wanted him, and he's having a blast. At 25 years old, 7-0 in a CMAX school. It's just, you couldn't write a better Disney story than that.
01:15:35
Speaker 5: Oh, what a cool story. Absolutely.
01:15:38
Speaker 4: All right, then look ahead to tomorrow night. Set up the high school football tonight show and all that's going on.
01:15:44
Speaker 14: Yeah, so that CCPA-Hughes game, it's on Saturday, but we'll have Jeff Cargill, the head coach at CCPA, talking about it, talking about his team.
01:15:51
Speaker 7: That's a great one in the pregame portion. Also have David Dransman, the head coach at Taylor.
01:15:57
Speaker 14: He's 1-6 right now, but they're playing 7-0 Deer Park. And he talks about adversity. He played five different quarterbacks. They're down to their third-string quarterback after seven weeks.
01:16:08
Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
01:16:09
Speaker 7: So, yeah, five different guys take snaps last week. And he talked about how you handle adversity. And it was really a great interview with him. And then Nick Osborne.
01:16:18
Speaker 14: From Western Brown, he talks there. He's still in a battle for playing– The SBAAC title, they got new Richmond.
01:16:26
Speaker 7: They're 1-1 in the league.
01:16:27
Speaker 14: And it's still a league that's pretty much open for a division title, even though they're sitting at 2-5.
01:16:32
Speaker 7: They're a young team, too. Again, another adversity situation. Great, great coaches with that.
01:16:37
Speaker 14: And then after the same next LaSalle game, we'll step one and I'll be back on until 11 o'clock.
01:16:44
Speaker 7: With coach interviews and scoreboard updates all night long. Fox Sports 1360 and ESPN 1530.
01:16:51
Speaker 3: Excellent, excellent.
01:16:53
Speaker 4: I've got about a minute. What was Field of Dreams like?
01:16:58
Speaker 7: Fantastic. We happened to catch it with a bunch of Ohio State fans.
01:17:03
Speaker 14: One of the guys in the bar was like, hey, catch this out, Iowa fans.
01:17:09
Speaker 7: He went, OH, and everybody went IO, and everybody in Iowa went WA. It was.
01:17:16
Speaker 23: Awesome.
01:17:16
Speaker 7: It was a great trip. Field of Dreams, if you can It's.
01:17:19
Speaker 5: Out in the middle of nowhere.
01:17:22
Speaker 11: It is.
01:17:22
Speaker 7: I highly recommend the trip.
01:17:24
Speaker 9: It's a cool place.
01:17:25
Speaker 3: Excellent.
01:17:26
Speaker 5: Good deal. Glad you enjoyed it. Good catching up, and we'll talk next week.
01:17:31
Speaker 7: Sounds good, guys. Have a great weekend.
01:17:32
Speaker 3: You as well.
01:17:33
Speaker 5: Greg Shoemaker, High School Football Tonight Show.
01:17:35
Speaker 3: Take a time out. Come back.
01:17:37
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01:17:45
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01:17:50
Speaker 4: Visit MiamiOH.edu and OrthoHeal, the cast that keeps kids moving. Visit OrthoHealWaterproofCast.com. He's Rocky Boyman. I'm Lance McAllister. Let's talk a little fantasy football. Our next guest, a regular, a staple of the show, host of Fantistics Insider Football, SiriusXMFantasyInsiderFootball.com.
01:18:11
Speaker 5: Always a pleasure to welcome in Dan Klaskens. How we doing?
01:18:15
Speaker 9: Oh, doing fantastic.
01:18:16
Speaker 24: Top of the evening to you, and man, another great fantasy game here tonight.
01:18:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt about that.
01:18:24
Speaker 4: Let's get into, got to start factoring in, thinking about always being aware of buys.
01:18:28
Speaker 5: Let's talk a little buy weeks and looking ahead.
01:18:32
Speaker 24: Yeah, Lance, we don't like injuries, we don't like buys, and they start this week. It's a light week, just Carolina and Kansas City, so most fantasy managers should be in pretty good shape, but don't get comfortable. Four teams are off in each of the next three weeks, so we've got to plan ahead here, plan ahead on the waivers, on the wires. Don't always use that last bench spot of the player that can help you this week. Think about next week. What quarterback are tight ends on a bike? Grab that replacement a week early. It's especially valuable at your thinner positions. You've got to look beyond one matchup. Bottom line, good fantasy managers, they reacted last week. Great ones are already preparing for next week.
01:19:09
Speaker 3: Interesting.
01:19:10
Speaker 6: All right, let's go ahead and let's get the injuries. I know Lamar Jackson has warmed them and plenty of others.
01:19:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt about it. We'll start at quarterback.
01:19:20
Speaker 24: As you mentioned, Rocky, Lamar Jackson at this ankle issue did not practice yesterday, didn't go today. Tyler Huntley looking like he's going to start here in Atlanta, so Lamar managers need to have.
01:19:32
Speaker 9: A backup plan ready. Better news for Jaden Daniels with his elbow issues. Looks like he's good to go.
01:19:37
Speaker 24: A little bit of a depleted receiver core there, so that could also.
01:19:41
Speaker 9: Impact his value.
01:19:42
Speaker 24: Saquon Barkley, Devontae Smith, both looking like they're going to miss the game in England with the hamstring injury there. And Dallas Goddard's about the Eagles. Some wounded birds. Brees Hall with his quad issue. A week-to-week thing. Doesn't look like he's going to play in week five.
01:19:56
Speaker 9: DeAndre Swift.
01:19:57
Speaker 24: He is a little bit better off than his teammate Kyle Menungai. Both of them guys to track on Friday, as will be Ramondre Stevenson. I know you guys have talked a ton about Jamar and Tee already here, but clearly that's going to have a big fantasy impact. And if one or both of them make a significant boost in a sudden fantasy sleeper, Malik neighbors with his issue, Justin Jefferson and Terry McCorn.
01:20:19
Speaker 9: Three more wideouts. We'll see what happens on Friday.
01:20:22
Speaker 4: All right, let's do our weekly look at the studs, duds, and sleepers you've got.
01:20:27
Speaker 9: Oh, yes. Let's start with our studs.
01:20:29
Speaker 24: And we've got Jarrett Goff at the top of the list this week at quarterback. One of the highest scoring games projected for Week 5, Arizona and Detroit. We know the cards have been vulnerable through the air, and Goff has plenty of weapons. One of my favorite quarterback plays this week. The other stud, Kyron Williams, been a stud all year. And don't just buy the idea this is a split back, though, because over the last two games, 47 carries and catches combined. with just 14 for Blake Corman. All the money touches are going to Kyron Williams. He's a high-end RB1. On the duds with all the injuries we talked about for the Eagles, Jalen Hurts outside my top 12. Actually, outside my top 15 this week at quarterback.
01:21:06
Speaker 9: So they got Jacksonville. It's a good defense. No weapons.
01:21:09
Speaker 11: Not good.
01:21:09
Speaker 24: Bucky Irving. We're also not high on him. Tonight versus Dallas. And a couple sleepers, Carnell Tate and Isaiah Likely. Wide out there for Tennessee. And the Giants tight end.
01:21:21
Speaker 5: Dan, as you know full well, it is.
01:21:23
Speaker 4: Never too late for listeners to get into the Do Good Fantasy salary cap challenge.
01:21:28
Speaker 5: Tell them how they can get involved.
01:21:31
Speaker 9: Yeah, Lance, we're real excited.
01:21:33
Speaker 24: Obviously, a lot of people with injuries, maybe their fantasy seasons are going bad. Even if they're not, everybody, a whole week is a whole new lineup, a whole new chance to win. It's all to help our veterans through DAV. I think you can build a perfect lineup each week.
01:21:45
Speaker 9: Just put it to test.
01:21:46
Speaker 24: We get a salary cap, one big week. We got paying down the top 23 weeks on the season over $ 6, 000 in prizes, and it all supports America's veterans.
01:21:55
Speaker 9: So get in the game. You can learn more. DoGoodFantasy.com.
01:21:59
Speaker 5: Sounds like a plan.
01:22:00
Speaker 3: Always good catching up. We'll do it again next week. Thank you.
01:22:04
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:22:04
Speaker 9: Enjoy the game, fellas. I appreciate it. Have a great night.
01:22:07
Speaker 3: You got it.
01:22:07
Speaker 4: He's Dan Klaskens with our fantasy football segment each and every week.
01:22:12
Speaker 5: The 8 o'clock hour will.
01:22:14
Speaker 4: Include more on the Bengals, the offense, the run game. A little bit more on injuries. We've got some perspective on the Dolphins to get to. Want to get into NFL officiating later on in the 8 o'clock hour. Something Peter King said to me last night on Sports Talk I'd love for you to react to. You know, while I'm thinking about it, we've got time to do at least a bit of a segment on it. I am struck by, and this is like cycled back into a topic again. And I remember we talked about this.
01:22:41
Speaker 3: It's not new.
01:22:43
Speaker 4: The Colts' principal owner, Carly Ursae Gordon, one of the two sisters, and they've assumed control of the team since their dad passed away. Rock, the controversy has, the debate, let's say, has ramped up again because, for those who don't know, she is down on the sidelines during the game, and she has a notepad, and she keeps... notes and she wears an earpiece headphones that gives her access to the coaches uh headset she can't talk and communicate with them but she can hear what's going on and and she has said in the end she wants to educate herself on on the game and the organization's business and how they they operate football wise and the approach to the game and and she said i have like a fifth grade reading level when it comes to understanding the game just the basic concepts i want to know more There continues to be a pushback to her presence on the sidelines. Do you have an objection to an owner seeking knowledge of what's going on and why by taking notes on the sidelines?
01:23:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember we talked about this last year, and I said I was for it. Well, I've switched my mind.
01:23:49
Speaker 3: I'm kind of over it. So you're a flip-flopper. Yeah, I'm kind of over it. A couple times is fine.
01:23:55
Speaker 6: It's like two straight seasons down on the sideline asking everybody what's going on.
01:24:00
Speaker 3: Got the headset on.
01:24:01
Speaker 6: I just feel like everyone's got to tiptoe around on eggshells. And I would say this if she was a man, a woman, anything. I just think a little bit was okay. I think it's just kind of played itself out a little bit.
01:24:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've read one concern is her access to the headsets of what's going on, the communication between the coaches. might lead to the coaches being obviously not as comfortable or maybe not saying things in the way they normally would.
01:24:30
Speaker 5: I don't know how much there is to that.
01:24:31
Speaker 3: I think there's something to that. I just wonder, the week-to-week, why it couldn't be.
01:24:40
Speaker 5: Does it have to be week to week?
01:24:42
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at.
01:24:45
Speaker 4: I understand, hey, if I owned the team, I'd want to know what's going on. I'd want to have a better understanding, but I can't see doing it every week. I would think there's only so many notes you can take.
01:24:57
Speaker 3: I guess it leads you to wonder, what are you looking for beyond taking notes?
01:25:02
Speaker 6: I just feel like it would distract a coach from like, doing things and saying things that are natural and more on like, hey, there's the boss.
01:25:10
Speaker 3: I got to kind of say something this way.
01:25:14
Speaker 4: I love the fact that it's not a hands-off, because a lot of owners, you'd be lucky if they know the players' names.
01:25:22
Speaker 3: They just own the team.
01:25:24
Speaker 4: So I appreciate the desire to know more. I just, I mean, I'd almost.
01:25:31
Speaker 4: Is she at practice? Because I'd have no problem with her being at practice. But I just wonder why it has to be the game every week and taking notes every game. You just seem to think there would reach a point where, okay, I've gathered enough. Maybe now I'll have a conversation on what I've learned, not having to gather every single game.
01:25:51
Speaker 6: That's right. When she took over the ownership of the team, what was that, last year? Okay, a couple games, really kind of swimming in. really swimming here. Let me figure out a little bit what's going on with my team. But at this point, I won't say it looks showy, but it's just kind of like, I don't know, it's like enough.
01:26:10
Speaker 3: I just think it's kind of enough. You can go to the box.
01:26:12
Speaker 6: You can get the headset, audio stuff pumped into you very easily up there.
01:26:17
Speaker 3: I just think it can be distracting for the coaches and the players.
01:26:20
Speaker 4: We've put two hours in the books. We've got a big third and final hour to continue.
01:26:24
Speaker 3: He is Rocky. I'm Lance.
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01:27:28
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01:27:51
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01:27:53
Speaker 4: Ask your server and drop the bucket in front here. Drawing coming up in 54 minutes from Mark. Mike Mills taking care of us here. Russ Jackson back at the station. Fran, his lovely wife, Phyllis on hand. And we are rolling. through two with one more to get to on a variety of subject matters, including let's do a little bit more. We started talking about the offense and the run game and the issues.
01:28:20
Speaker 5: Offensively for this team. A couple of things that Tony said.
01:28:23
Speaker 4: On Monday during Bengals line that stuck with me I thought would be worth discussing. The run game was woeful on Sunday, of course. Chase Brown averages 1.1 yards per carry. They carried, what, 15 times on the day. Here's what Tony said about that Monday night on Sunday.
01:28:40
Speaker 3: Bengals' line.
01:28:41
Speaker 13: As crazy as yesterday's game was, and looking at the box score after it, that was the most jarring number. Because of what we had heard about this team, they want to be more physical. They want to be under center. They want to run the ball downhill. They want to rely on that continuity of those five returning starters on the offensive line coming back. And they're going to be able to operate more in 12 personnel, which helps because you're going to have Drew Sample and Tanner Hudson and Eric All, and they're all going to help in the running game. And in a game you needed it most, it disappeared. We can't emphasize enough, Lance. Jamar Chase left the game in the second quarter. If you're playing without the best receiver in football, wouldn't that tend to lead you to believe to run the ball more? They didn't have to be one dimensional. play action pass is supposed to be designed to get easy completions and help your offensive line against the pass rush they got sacked twice yesterday on play action passes because their run game is not effective enough or threatening enough to set up the play action so it's one thing to say we're going to go under center we're going to be play action we're going to hit shots down the field if the defense doesn't respect the run game it all stops there.
01:29:41
Speaker 4: Tony Pike earlier this week on Bengals line, and Rock, as a former defender, I'll defer to you, that point about the play action. We can talk all you want, but if you're a defender, you're basically laughing at him at this point.
01:29:52
Speaker 3: Play action? Why would I be worried about play action? It has no effect if you're not running the ball. Absolutely.
01:29:59
Speaker 6: I just feel like the Bengals, of course they wanted to run the ball, and I bet you they came into that game feeling really, really good about their game plan in terms of the run game.
01:30:08
Speaker 3: It just didn't work.
01:30:10
Speaker 6: And I just feel like maybe they felt they were at a point where clearly we got out-schemed or they're doing something we weren't ready for.
01:30:19
Speaker 3: It's not our day right now with this.
01:30:21
Speaker 6: So they wanted to, in the heat of the moment, try to do some things that were going to help them win the game.
01:30:26
Speaker 3: It just didn't work out.
01:30:27
Speaker 5: And we've talked about this before, and I think there's something, too.
01:30:31
Speaker 4: I've never viewed Zach as, let's take even Joe out of it, I've never viewed Zach as having the mentality to be physical in nature.
01:30:41
Speaker 3: He's not Dan Campbell, right?
01:30:43
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:30:43
Speaker 6: He's not like a, yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel like a head coach is a reflection of the style of play of their team. Even with the Colts with Dungy, Dungy's not a slobber coming out of his mouth, we're going to, you know.
01:30:55
Speaker 3: Crush you kind of guy.
01:30:57
Speaker 6: We threw the ball a lot, and we ran the ball and everything was good too, but like, Yeah, I feel like your team does take on the identity of your coach, and that's not necessarily.
01:31:06
Speaker 3: A bad thing. It just is what it is.
01:31:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you mentioned it with Traggs.
01:31:09
Speaker 4: It's not like this offensive line, while there's continuity certainly with guys coming back, it's not like an offensive line that I would.
01:31:16
Speaker 5: Describe as a group of maulers. They're not the go 80s.
01:31:22
Speaker 4: They're not the hogs of the Washington Redskins days or the Larry Allen Dallas Cowboy days. I don't want to say they're... I'm not going to say they're finesse. I'm not going to say they're soft. I'm just saying I just don't view them as, like, snot coming out of their nose, finger in the ground.
01:31:38
Speaker 3: We're going to plow through you.
01:31:40
Speaker 6: No, I agree with that. I think every Bengals fan would be honest about that.
01:31:45
Speaker 3: You know what?
01:31:46
Speaker 5: Let me ask you something about it. And I said this earlier in the week.
01:31:49
Speaker 4: This is more the emotional me than the common sense side of me. And you know I can get emotional sometimes. But I would like to see just one time, just maybe to humor me, and I'd almost pay the fines. It really bothers me the liberties that defenders take with Joe Burrow on hits. And there was a double shot tag team on Sunday where one Jaguar hit him low and Armstead hit him under the chin.
01:32:14
Speaker 5: And there was a flag called on the play.
01:32:16
Speaker 4: But it seems like there's too many occasions where liberties are taken with hits on Joe that go unanswered by the Bengals offensive lineman. And I said I would love just once, just once. And I know I get on him for having too many penalties. But I would almost pay a fine to see an offensive lineman after somebody takes a run at Joe and lays him out, I would like to see that offensive lineman yank the helmet off a defender who hit him, throw it down the field, and say, stop effing with my quarterback. And it would be 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct. I'd just like to see somebody say and be the bodyguard of, stop effing. taking shots on our quarterback am i being irrational.
01:32:57
Speaker 6: With that no but you are going down a road here that is can get philosophical and is it say something about how the bangles line feels about burrow because again like you know not to mention him again but People didn't take cheap shots at Peyton Manning. Those guys were up in their face. Even Steve McNair, who was a... I think it's more.
01:33:18
Speaker 4: I think it goes back to what we initially said of just the mentality of not... I think a mauler-type offensive line, somebody would get in the grill and yank a helmet off, and I just think it.
01:33:27
Speaker 3: I don't want to call him passive, and I don't want to call him soft.
01:33:30
Speaker 4: I just don't... But you would think of all things, you'd take exception to somebody taking a run at your quarterback.
01:33:36
Speaker 3: That shouldn't happen. I agree. I think it's less of a.
01:33:40
Speaker 6: conversation about how they feel about Burrow and just that they're not that, you know, that kind of offensive lineman. But, you know, it's not easy, Lance, to find top-notch pass blockers that are also amazing run blockers.
01:33:55
Speaker 3: Those guys, they don't grow on trees, as I say. At all. And I think because of that.
01:34:01
Speaker 6: You're always making compromises when you're assembling a roster because there's a salary cap and there's a roster limit. So, you're never going to get a perfect everything. So what can you live without? That's basically what you're saying. What do I really need? I don't want to live without if I have to. So you kind of make some compromises, and I think that's how this line has been assembled.
01:34:22
Speaker 4: One more comment Tony made about dictating terms when you're as good as they are offensively in theory, dictating terms instead of reacting to what the other team's doing. Here's a little bit more from Tony on Monday Night on Bengals Live.
01:34:40
Speaker 13: For years, it's been they took this away or they doubled Jamar so we had to go elsewhere. And to that point, I say, no, you have to dictate. As you mentioned, you've got to dictate what other teams are doing, and you can't allow another defense to come in and so easily take you out of the game. Okay, they're going to bring an extra safety to Jamar's side. How about moving him? Run him in the slot.
01:35:01
Speaker 3: Put him in the bunch. Get him an easy release. Put him in the backfield.
01:35:04
Speaker 13: There has to be answers. I mean, you went almost a whole quarter yesterday without a touch for Jamar Chase until they got him one right before the end of the court. That's not acceptable. You've got to find ways to... to make other teams pay, to say, okay, you're adding an extra hat here, and we're going to make.
01:35:19
Speaker 3: You pay there.
01:35:20
Speaker 13: There's no counter right now. Everything seems difficult for this offense.
01:35:25
Speaker 3: I think that's a great... Yeah, it is, because it's not like this is just a one.
01:35:30
Speaker 3: Person-dominant team.
01:35:32
Speaker 23: Right.
01:35:32
Speaker 3: I mean, T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, Kosicki. Chase Brown. Chase Brown. Like, they're there.
01:35:38
Speaker 6: The options are there to his point where if you do this, you're going to double Jamar, then we can answer with this.
01:35:44
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like there's enough quick answers.
01:35:47
Speaker 5: And there's also that it's rare. I'd love to see the numbers. I could probably look them up.
01:35:52
Speaker 4: They rarely seem to use, like, pre-snap motion and get guys, like, free Jamar running start up.
01:35:59
Speaker 3: It just.
01:36:02
Speaker 4: I think Traggs used the word this week in his piece on CLNS, Cincy with a Y.com, static. It can be a static offense at times. There just seems to be more that should be there. And Zach, if we're in year eight, I think it's very fair to say, appears incapable of drawing more out of it.
01:36:24
Speaker 5: And I just find that very, very frustrating.
01:36:26
Speaker 3: I agree.
01:36:28
Speaker 5: All right.
01:36:28
Speaker 4: Still ahead, let's get into a little bit on the Miami Dolphins. I saw a note this week. I think half of their salary cap, Rock, is being devoted to guys no longer on the roster.
01:36:41
Speaker 5: They have rebuilt. They traded away.
01:36:43
Speaker 4: They cut Tua and shed a whole lot of money that's on their books technically against the salary cap. But it's a total rebuild in Miami. They're 0-4. We'll get into that a little bit more on Malik Willis.
01:36:56
Speaker 23: Oh, you know what?
01:36:57
Speaker 4: Before we do that, let me finish off on the Bengals thought. Would you subscribe to the theory, and not because of the opponent this weekend, but Traggs mentioned it, looks like Jamar could play. It looks like T because of the growing issue, the adductor issue, they might buy him another week.
01:37:14
Speaker 3: I would understand if T is, say.
01:37:16
Speaker 4: 80%, let's say 75%, 80%. I would totally agree with sitting him this week, adding the bye to it, and getting him 100% before Baltimore rather than playing him 80% this week, maybe risking a setback, or even if not, I'd rather get it all taken care of at the risk of this week to be prepared for end division against the Ravens.
01:37:42
Speaker 3: You've got to look at it like this.
01:37:43
Speaker 6: There's not a more perfect scenario. You're playing one of the worst teams. Now, again, that team certainly can win the game. But all things being told, this is a game that you should win, even without your best players. So I think if he is at that kind of teetering point, you take the chance. You get the two weeks because you're not going to get another opportunity later in the season.
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01:38:11
Speaker 4: The division as we sit here tonight, the Browns 3-1, the Ravens 3-1.
01:38:15
Speaker 5: Steelers 2-2, the Bengals are 2-2.
01:38:18
Speaker 4: The Browns are at the Jets this weekend, where the Jets are a 2.5-point favorite. That totals only 39.5 points for the two teams combined. The Ravens are home to the Falcons. The Falcons are a 3-point favorite. There's questions surrounding Lamar Jackson and the ankle, and if he plays, trending towards probably not playing. The Colts are at home to the Pittsburgh Steelers at 2-2, and of course, the Bengals in Miami. That is your trek around the AFC North. When we come back, a little bit more on those Miami Dolphins and some college football around the corner, plus NFL officiating and Peter King on his concern going forward with the NFL. Wow, that's a whole lot to get to.
01:39:00
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01:39:01
Speaker 5: I'm Lance.
01:39:02
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01:39:27
Speaker 3: Close to home.
01:39:28
Speaker 4: Who will you save? Lance McAllister, Rocky Boyman. Stick around at 9. Dan Carroll's in. He'll take you nine to midnight. The opposition on Sunday, those Dolphins, 0-4. They gave the Vikings some fits on Sunday, losing 15-10 in Minneapolis. Ollie Gordon, their running back out of Oklahoma State, nine carries, 100 yards and a touchdown. They've got that second-round running linebacker out of Texas Tech, Jacob Rodriguez. He had 18 tackles last week, right? 18 tackles last week.
01:40:01
Speaker 5: Unbelievable. And he is.
01:40:03
Speaker 4: He has been their defensive star so far. We talked about Malik Willis. They gave him a boatload of money, which is interesting. Some teams that tear it down and rebuild it will maybe get a bridge quarterback, a veteran, maybe not invest a whole lot of money, have him hold the ship until you get your quarterback. They gave him three years.
01:40:21
Speaker 3: $ 67.
01:40:21
Speaker 4: 5 million on the season. Malik Willis has one touchdown and two interceptions. They parted ways with Tua in March, leaving them, $ 99. 2 million in dead money.
01:40:37
Speaker 5: They're splitting it over two seasons.
01:40:39
Speaker 4: This year, $ 67. 4 million of his money in dead money on the cap. Next year, it'll be about $ 32 million. They cut Tyreek Hill. They cut Bradley Chubb. They traded Jalen Waddell. They had invested the fifth pick overall in two in 2020, and I remember that whole thing with the Dolphins, and that's when the The conversation was tanking, and it's tanking right in the NFL, and how do you tank, and can you actually tank? And their tank led to Tua, and it led to limited success, and now we're back to 2026, and they're rebuilding again with a new coach, a new general manager, and just they went through a cycle of, well, I'm now flashing the red cycle of a rebuild where you get very little out of it and are back to rebuilding again.
01:41:24
Speaker 3: And they're kind of where the Bengals were, whatever, sixth, Seven years ago, right?
01:41:29
Speaker 4: They get Joe Burra and the Dolphins get Tua Tagovola.
01:41:33
Speaker 11: Right.
01:41:34
Speaker 6: But maybe this year now they get, assuming the Bengals do their part this weekend, maybe they get whatever, Arch Manning.
01:41:41
Speaker 3: Or Carr or somebody.
01:41:43
Speaker 4: Last night on the roundtable show on Bengals game plan, down the dial on ESPN 1530, Dan Hoard and Wayne Box-Miller talked with Isaiah Smalls, who covers the Dolphins for the Miami Herald, Here's what he said about this rebuild version of the Dolphins.
01:42:01
Speaker 26: Obviously knew it was about time for it to start over, but look, they bring in Jeff Hathaway, bring in John Eric Sullivan, and what they have now is a team that obviously very, very young, very, very inexperienced, but a team that is growing week by week.
01:42:15
Speaker 9: They play very hard.
01:42:17
Speaker 26: They have a defense that's pretty solid against the run, had some issues covering the tight end as of late week, but still They play very hard, and offensively, they obviously know Devon Aitken, but the offensive line is strong, and they believe in Ollie Gordon and Jalen Wright, and they'll still try to run the ball. But, again, it's a team that is very young but very hungry and still searching for that first win, and I guess they're hoping it'll be Sunday against the Bengals.
01:42:46
Speaker 5: They are certainly offensively challenged.
01:42:48
Speaker 4: They have not scored more than 13 points in a game, which is hard to believe in today's NFL.
01:42:53
Speaker 5: They've scored 13. 13, 10, 10.
01:42:56
Speaker 4: Isaiah said they're young like three times during that sound bite. I guess, Rock, on one hand, I was going to ask about the difficulties of being 0-4 on a rebuilding team, but on the other hand, if you're a young team, young player, it's an opportunity. I mean, if you've torn it down and rebuilt it and you're on this team, you have like a clean slate to prove that that you deserve opportunities and earn playing time in your career in the NFL on a team that record-wise isn't much, but the opportunity is right before your very eyes.
01:43:31
Speaker 6: Well, on that team, you know that every single player is being evaluated. It's not like, okay, we like these 15 guys. No, every single player is being evaluated. So, yeah, there's an opportunity for you.
01:43:41
Speaker 3: And guess what?
01:43:42
Speaker 6: You probably wouldn't get that opportunity if you're on the Chiefs or whatever, any of these good teams.
01:43:48
Speaker 7: Right.
01:43:49
Speaker 6: A chance to show that you belong and then they get some drafts together and maybe you're.
01:43:52
Speaker 3: Part of the rebuild.
01:43:54
Speaker 4: Here's Isaiah Smalls on their quarterback situation and the play of Malik Willis.
01:43:58
Speaker 3: Take a listen.
01:44:00
Speaker 26: Malik Willis has rare arm talent and I think that is something that really intrigued this new regime in bringing him in. The issue that I've found with Malik so far is that he sometimes needs to take the easier throw. He's a guy that kind of wants the big money and he'll go long um where sometimes look man take the check down and let the guy um run for the first down i think that's been the biggest issue but look the the talent is there he's a guy that can move very well in the pocket can maneuver definitely can use his legs um great arm strength but i think sometimes the biggest issue that i've seen is he needs to take the check down.
01:44:39
Speaker 4: Malik Willis, scouting report provided by Isaiah Smalls. They've been woeful on third down this year, one of the worst in the league. I think it's around 35% on third down, and Isaiah addressed that issue with his offense.
01:44:51
Speaker 3: Take a listen.
01:44:56
Speaker 26: Yeah, the third down has been really a pain in the butt for the Dolphins all year. And to me, it just comes down to inexperience, right? You have a very young wide receiver core. You have two to three rookies out there on the field on a day-to-day basis, whether it's receivers not necessarily running the right routes or running it with poor timing with the quarterback like i think that's the been the biggest issue for me that i've seen on third down and obviously there's been a little bit of issue on that right side with the tackle austin jackson and you know he's getting up there in age and it just hasn't looked super positive so they also have these third and eight third and sevens and when you have those third and longs it's a it's a it's a little bit difficult to be able to convert and that's when you need you know a go-to.
01:45:46
Speaker 9: Guy at the receiving position and i think they're still searching for.
01:45:48
Speaker 4: That Dolphins also, like the Bengals, have trouble covering the tight end.
01:45:52
Speaker 3: Last weekend, T.J.
01:45:54
Speaker 4: Hawkinson of the Vikings had 13 catches on 13 targets for 119 yards.
01:46:01
Speaker 5: Against the Dolphins' defense.
01:46:02
Speaker 4: But again, the Vikings scored just 15 but won the game 15-10, the final score. I did not know, you may be aware of this during the break, there is a local connection to the Miami Dolphins.
01:46:12
Speaker 3: Do tell.
01:46:13
Speaker 6: Yes, Sean Duggan, who is a former linebacker at St. Xavier High School, played linebacker at Boston College, has worked his way up through the coaching ranks. I mean, he was at Hawaii for a couple years, and he's the defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins.
01:46:31
Speaker 11: Wow.
01:46:32
Speaker 3: Which is wild. I mean, I used to train him.
01:46:34
Speaker 8: Really?
01:46:34
Speaker 6: I got a video somewhere of me, him, and Luke Keekly training, which is pretty cool.
01:46:40
Speaker 3: Holy cow. Yeah, so a great guy.
01:46:42
Speaker 6: Sean's funny because He's not from California, but he's kind of got this, like, California kind of cool, like, laid-back talk.
01:46:52
Speaker 3: But he's super, super smart, right? Obviously, if you're a defensive coordinator.
01:46:57
Speaker 6: But just, you know, you can tell him talking with him.
01:47:00
Speaker 3: Knows the game really well. And a young guy. And, you know, couldn't be happier for him.
01:47:04
Speaker 4: I was speaking of coaching and saying X guys. I was struck by the conversation. you had with Mo earlier this week for the segment you guys do, where I sense the itch, the scratching of the itch might eventually be scratched in terms of you getting into coaching on some level higher than your current level. Is that fair to say? I wouldn't leave it out of the possibility. And not the NFL or college ranks, but perhaps as a high school football coach. Yeah, I can see that.
01:47:36
Speaker 3: I love it.
01:47:37
Speaker 6: It's the first thing I think about when I wake up, and the last thing I think about when I go to bed is our 17th grade St.
01:47:45
Speaker 3: James varsity football team.
01:47:49
Speaker 4: And I fully understand, not to go deep into it because we don't have a whole lot of time, but in talking with Mo, you indicated earlier in your career– that it's a very transient business, and that was not.
01:48:01
Speaker 3: Going to work.
01:48:02
Speaker 6: For me, in my last couple years in the league, I was bouncing around a little bit, and I was just like, God, I would.
01:48:07
Speaker 3: Love to get back to Cincinnati, start a family.
01:48:09
Speaker 6: I was 30 years old kind of thing, and coaching and stability and being rooted in one place for a while, that doesn't happen. You've to be willing to make that sacrifice. At that time, I was not. But, yeah, maybe at some point down the future, I would love to.
01:48:27
Speaker 4: I don't know how guys do it because I'll look week to week, whether it's a college game I'm looking up game notes on, and I'll look at a coach or an assistant, and I'll look at their resume and, And the number of different places, it may be 10 jobs in 12 years.
01:48:45
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it.
01:48:48
Speaker 5: Forget about life, having a family and kids.
01:48:52
Speaker 4: I mean, the constant jumping and moving and finding a place to live and the uncertainty of if you're going to have... If you're going to be sticking around after this, it's incredible.
01:49:03
Speaker 6: And you've got to do it because at some point you've got to hit your wagon to the next young up-and-coming coach.
01:49:11
Speaker 3: Yep. You know, like Will Stein, right, at Kentucky.
01:49:15
Speaker 6: You know, those coaches along the way, you go, you know what, if that guy gets a job– I've got to go because he's got it, right? Versus, you know, you've got to make sure you follow the right guy and you make the right decision because if you follow the wrong guy, then you get kind of stuck.
01:49:30
Speaker 3: But, yeah, it's so much of what you.
01:49:33
Speaker 6: want to do is more about what you have to do if you want to make a career of it, and that's the sacrifice they make.
01:49:41
Speaker 4: When we come back, let's talk about officiating. What the heck is going on with all the flags in the NFL? Plus, I had Peter King on last night, who's going to be in town on Saturday night, and I asked him for all he's seen in 40 years of covering the NFL, and all he's seen evolve in the game, what he's worried about in the future of the game.
01:49:59
Speaker 5: You'll hear his response to that.
01:50:00
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01:50:56
Speaker 4: All right, we have two topics to get to. I'll make a dealer's choice for you. Which would you like to do first? We can do NFL officiating or we can do Peter King's concerns for the NFL going forward.
01:51:09
Speaker 3: We'll do both. Which one would you like to do first? Let's do officiating first.
01:51:13
Speaker 11: All right.
01:51:13
Speaker 4: Let's do officiating first. Week four, or through the first four weeks of the season, Rock, according to ESPN, there have been 963 penalties accepted. That is the most the NFL has seen in the first four weeks of the season since 1978. Sunday, there was an average of 17 penalties per game, the most in any NFL week since 2015. There have been, this season, 17 touchdowns nullified by penalties.
01:51:48
Speaker 3: Now let me give you a little context.
01:51:50
Speaker 4: You're thinking 17, that sounds like a lot. Give me a comparison here. Last year, through the first four weeks, there were four touchdowns called back. The year before, five touchdowns called back. 17 this year. I said it Monday night. Watching the Bengals on Sunday was difficult to do because it was flag after flag after flag. I think there were 24 total for 235 yards.
01:52:19
Speaker 5: It drives you crazy.
01:52:20
Speaker 3: What is going on?
01:52:22
Speaker 6: First of all, people only really hate flags when it goes against their team.
01:52:27
Speaker 3: They like it when they help their team.
01:52:30
Speaker 6: But with that said, as someone who works in TV and does games every week, it's a killer. You get the sense because, you know, and me and my broadcast partner, Clay Mavrick, we always talk about it, too. It's just like, yeah, disrupts the flow of the game. And today, there's so many options. People's attention spans are so small. They've never been shorter, okay? So you get all these stoppages. People can go to the next game or go open their phone or go open their Netflix and go watch a movie.
01:53:02
Speaker 3: I feel that.
01:53:04
Speaker 6: That conversation should be had to the referees. Like, look, guys, we want to call a tight game. We don't want to let things go. But we live in a world where people will tune out very, very.
01:53:15
Speaker 3: Quickly, and we've got to have a constant... flow of the game.
01:53:18
Speaker 6: I mean, I think soccer is boring as hell, but usually there's like a flow, more of a flow and less stoppages of it, which I find good if it's more of you know, to today's model of a mindset of an average viewer.
01:53:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everybody who watches wants the obvious and egregious call.
01:53:37
Speaker 3: Like, everybody points or gets up out of their seat.
01:53:40
Speaker 4: But I think there's so many things that, in the old adages, what you could call a hold on every play of the game. To me, I want it to be obvious, egregious, and I want some consistency. Because the complaint on Sunday was they had called the game one way, close through three quarters into the fourth quarter. It was like, do whatever you guys want. And I think everybody then throws up their hands like, well, what are we doing here?
01:54:08
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:54:09
Speaker 6: Well, and then I feel like there's a flag call that's kind of minor here. And then, I believe, yeah, then they go with the make-up call. Like, okay, well, I kind of called that one kind of tight. Well, I better call another one tight. It's human nature. But, yeah, you've got to realize that, you know, we want a flow of the game going on right now. I mean, our game on Tuesday, it took three hours and 45 minutes.
01:54:32
Speaker 2: That's a long, long game.
01:54:35
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:54:36
Speaker 3: And it was doing pretty good. And then the fourth quarter, it was just flag and penalty and penalty and penalty.
01:54:41
Speaker 5: Now, think about that, what you just said.
01:54:44
Speaker 4: Obviously, the complaint for years in baseball was the games were too long, and they batted a pitch clock. The average length of a game this year in Major League Baseball was two hours and 42 minutes. You did a football game that was an hour and three minutes longer than the average baseball game.
01:54:58
Speaker 3: Holy cow. A long time.
01:55:01
Speaker 4: Also, in this note, this was from Warren Sharp, Sharp Football Analysis, holding calls are being called at the highest rate since 2019.
01:55:12
Speaker 6: Now, people would point to that and say, well, it's because offensive linemen aren't developed as well. They're not as technical now, and they're sloppier than they used to be.
01:55:21
Speaker 3: Yep. So that's, you know.
01:55:23
Speaker 4: Most penalties on third and fourth down in the second half since 2000.
01:55:28
Speaker 5: So the most in 26 years being called in.
01:55:33
Speaker 4: On third or fourth down in the second half of games for whatever reason. Red zone penalties are up 30%, costing what is a record pace right now of about five yards per team per game. I mean, red zone opportunities, and then you're looking at scoring. Red zone holding up 38%. 17 touchdowns. I mean, you talk about dragging down what people see.
01:55:59
Speaker 3: People want to see points scored.
01:56:01
Speaker 4: So you tag team them with flag after flag after flag and fewer points being scored.
01:56:06
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound like a recipe for success for the NFL. Not at all. I just feel like, yeah, it's got to be changed. You know, not say, hey.
01:56:15
Speaker 6: Drastically do it but guys look if grandma you know can't see it from the the third row here yes let's not call.
01:56:22
Speaker 4: It you and i think it would be fair and this has been common over the years there's a lot of times you know i think you've talked about this the point of emphasis every year begins it seems with a point of emphasis and and players and coaches will be, we're going to more closely, and we're going to enforce these, and the idea being, you're going to get a lot of these early, you've got to adjust to it, but even taking into account, we're four weeks in, even four weeks in, these are record number rates, so we're past that breaking in period of, maybe a point of emphasis being whatever area of the game and you guys have to adjust. Well, four weeks in, we're still at a record-setting pace with the number of penalties. It's just a bad trend. All right, Peter King joined me last night on Sports Talk. Longtime NFL writer for decades, the Monday morning quarterback, a staple of reading for decades in Sports Illustrated. He is in town on Saturday night at Joseph Beth's. His new book is The Game, his tales of 40 years of covering the NFL. He'll sign his book. He's there with Paul Dougherty. Doc is going to be there on Saturday night, Joseph Beth. Fran and his lovely wife Phyllis are going to be on hand to get that book. It's a tremendous read. Among the many things we discussed last night on Sports Talk, I asked him, having seen what you've seen, and he talked about how In the 80s, there was one event for the NFL offseason.
01:57:52
Speaker 3: It was really two.
01:57:54
Speaker 4: It was the draft and the combine. And now it's 365, obviously. It's NFL, NFL, every day. There's something going on in the cycle. But I ask him, based on how you've seen the game evolve, if you look into the future, what worries you about the NFL? going forward listen to what he.
01:58:11
Speaker 27: Said this insatiable desire to play more games the nfl should not be playing any more games shouldn't have gone to 17 games per team it should 16 was a number wonderful They should have kept it just like that, but they went to 17, and now they want to go to 18. Every time they increase the schedule in the league by one game per team per year, you add, for the starting players in the league, 62 to 65 extra plays per game. That's 62 to 65 potential collisions and head hits. And it just adds to the head trauma of these guys who are already getting enough head trauma. And so that I am dead set against adding more games to the schedule. In fact, I think they should subtract one and play 16. Now, there's not much chance of that happening, let's just say.
01:59:05
Speaker 4: He talked about the insatiable appetite for more football. I think the counter to that is the NFL is special, right? If you keep giving it to people multiple nights a week, it decreases. It all kind of runs together, and it's not as special anymore.
01:59:23
Speaker 3: Right. Look at now.
01:59:25
Speaker 6: There's, what, three college games on and an NFL game. And so it kind of goes against.
01:59:33
Speaker 3: the mindset of, okay, I want this, right?
01:59:36
Speaker 6: But if you get ice cream every night for dinner, at some point you're like, it's not a treat that I get ice cream.
01:59:42
Speaker 3: When it was like, oh my God, there's one game on Monday night.
01:59:45
Speaker 6: And I've got to write another six days to see any NFL games. Sometimes giving us what we want isn't necessarily good for us.
01:59:55
Speaker 4: And he's right too about the.
01:59:58
Speaker 3: Injury stuff too.
02:00:00
Speaker 6: The one side of the mouth the NFL talks about injuries and head trauma and how concerned they are. But then we're going to add another game, a 17th game, and then possibly an 18th game. And we're going to have teams every week getting on planes and flying however many miles and time zones over to other countries.
02:00:18
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
02:00:20
Speaker 6: We talk about baseball needing to decrease the amount of games. And now we're talking about the NFL wants to increase it. No, there's You want the games.
02:00:29
Speaker 3: To have meaning. And, again, I felt the same way.
02:00:32
Speaker 6: 16 was like, that's a lot of games, a lot of games, but enough to where each one matters, like really, really matters, both from a team standpoint and your record and all that, but also from a viewer standpoint of, okay, I can't wait for that game this weekend. If there's 18 games, it's like, well, if I miss this one, I'll catch the next one.
02:00:52
Speaker 3: And you know 18's coming.
02:00:54
Speaker 4: And when 18 gets here, it'll be at the expense of, in all likelihood, a preseason game, so you're down to two preseason games, and we've talked about how you don't really, because of that, you're not really prepared to start the season, which means the level of play isn't where it.
02:01:08
Speaker 11: Needs to be.
02:01:09
Speaker 3: And more penalties, right? More penalties than everything we're talking about.
02:01:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, again, when I played starters played in the preseason, and that way, come week one, you were ready to go. You were ready to go, and I felt the product was pretty clean. It's sloppy as hell now from a gameplay standpoint and execution, penalties, all of that get added into it.
02:01:30
Speaker 4: By the way, one quick Peter King story, just because I love the story, and it's how times have changed in so many different ways. When he came to Cincinnati in 1980 and was working for the Acquire, 1980 to 85, he's 23 years old, and he's covering the Bengals and Sam Weish and When the Bengals drafted Boomer in 1984, they also drafted Pete Koch in the same draft, and Peter King, 23, 24 years old, tells to the Bengals, he says to the Bengals officials, hey, when is their flight coming in? Because they'd been drafted, they were coming into town to meet with the Bengals, and he said, when is the flight coming in? And the Bengals told him, and Peter King goes to the airport on his own, and in those days you could go to the gates, and he basically more or less holds up a sign, and he tells Peter, Pete Koch, and Boomer Esiason that he's there to pick him up.
02:02:26
Speaker 3: And he's not representing the Bengals, obviously. He's working for the Enquirer.
02:02:30
Speaker 4: But he picked him up at the airport, put him in his car, and he got an interview out of it. But he's driving them back, and Boomer's reaction was, they're sending media guys to pick us up at the airport?
02:02:40
Speaker 3: What a great story.
02:02:43
Speaker 4: Creative he was, so I'm going to talk with two of the Bengals draft picks because I'm going to pick him up at the airport.
02:02:49
Speaker 3: You've got to find any little advantage in the end you have. Exactly.
02:02:53
Speaker 4: All right, we'll head down the stretch, put the wraps on it. We'll travel Rocky's Road as we close it out on the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution. Powered by Tope Sheldon from Longnecks and Wilder on 700 WLW. In the books tonight from Longnecks in Wilder, the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Toph Sheldon. It's brought to you in part by OrthoHeal, the cast that keeps kids moving. Visit orthohealwaterproofcast.com. And Mel's Autoglass, a clear choice for windshield repair and replacement. Dan Carroll minutes away. News in seven minutes. Dan Carroll after that. Let's travel Rocky's Road, and you've had an opportunity to do some scouting because we have two of the games on. It involves the two that are going head-to-head for you on Tuesday night.
02:03:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, Wednesday night I have Western Kentucky at Sam Houston, Wednesday night ESPN2. These midweek games are unique, and I love it because, you know, look, this isn't Alabama-Georgia, right, but You're getting standalone games a month or on Tuesday. We were the only game that was on. And that thing did like a million in terms of viewership. So that's always cool when you can kind of get a marquee game.
02:04:11
Speaker 3: A lot of people watch, yeah.
02:04:14
Speaker 4: We were talking about this earlier, and I don't think we have time to do a full segment on it, but I wanted to mention maybe some more next week. I asked you if you had seen the new Northwestern football stadium, Ryan Field. They unveiled it, played their first game last Friday night against Penn State. $ 875 million stadium. It's spectacular. It's NFL-like. It's like a mini version of Jerry World, the Dallas Cowboys stadium. The locker rooms indoor are just absolutely mind-boggling. There's 35,000 seats.
02:04:49
Speaker 23: Perfect.
02:04:50
Speaker 4: And we both said... I think the initial reaction by everybody was, wow, you spent $ 875 million on a new football stadium for Northwestern.
02:04:58
Speaker 3: Why did you only make.
02:04:59
Speaker 5: It $ 35, 000?
02:05:00
Speaker 4: That's the trend. More teams are going that way, and you understand why.
02:05:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, because.
02:05:07
Speaker 6: Most people are watching these games on television, and when you tune into a TV broadcast and the director or the producer does a span shot of the crowd, and.
02:05:17
Speaker 3: It's packed, you're like, man, this is cool. This must be something I have to see.
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Speaker 6: And when it's dead empty, you're like, this doesn't seem like a very big deal. But, yeah, when the place is packed, you could not even know anything about the teams. But you're like, I'm going to tune in and watch that thing. And so, yeah, if I were these schools, I would shrink the size of the state. Look, unless you're Texas and Michigan and Ohio State and some of these schools, you don't need 80, 100,000 seats because most of the time– especially with how good TV is now and how clear the picture is, people are going to stay home and watch these games because they have the option to. So, yeah, smaller, better, create a must-see television experience.
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Speaker 4: $ 875 million funded by the Ryan family, Ryan Field, the family and other boosters and benefactors privately funded, and it is, I hope, if you get a chance to see it, let's talk about it next week because it is.
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Speaker 6: And it's amazing, too, in the world of NIL because schools are less and less, or more, I should say, more reluctant to spend on facilities and things, which used to be the big draw, but now, okay, that's a bunch of millions you're putting into a stadium. Some coach would say, can you leave a few million so we can buy some good players?
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Speaker 4: That's funny you say that because that's been said of UC, and their practice facility is incredible, and yet the whole conversation of When you're recruiting the kid, is he saying, what's your weight room and everything else look like? Or is he saying, what's the check going to, how many dollars? Because it used to be, like, you.
02:06:56
Speaker 6: Know, eight plus years ago, it was, what do the facilities look like? You know, and then Clemson was building the fields with the, you know, the barbecue pits and the wiffle ball fields and all that. Honestly, because that was the thing. Now the kids, I always say, The transition from when I played to now, when I played, it was, you know, a school pump their tradition, right? And, you know, I fell for Newt Rockne and the Four Horsemen and all that.
02:07:24
Speaker 3: Sort of stuff.
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Speaker 6: And then transitioned into, okay, what do the facilities look like? Now it is, how much money are you going to pay me?
02:07:32
Speaker 3: I don't care about it.
02:07:32
Speaker 5: Okay, good.
02:07:33
Speaker 3: Tell me.
02:07:33
Speaker 4: Great.
02:07:34
Speaker 3: You got a new weight room.
02:07:34
Speaker 11: Cool.
02:07:35
Speaker 3: How much money are you going to pay me?
02:07:38
Speaker 5: Which, for the.
02:07:42
Speaker 4: The assistant who was like your recruiting guy, the guy who had the ins in cities and the high school coaches and everything else, that role is kind of like it's not what it once was. The value that that assistant might bring to your team a decade ago isn't nearly what it is. is because it's a transactional thing.
02:08:02
Speaker 6: The thing about Terry Combs, that guy walks in your house, man, you're going to that school. But back in the days when it was like the program and being all in for this school and this is why you need to come here.
02:08:14
Speaker 3: And now, again, they're like, great, but what's the number?
02:08:17
Speaker 5: Show me the money.
02:08:18
Speaker 6: And it's frustrating because I've talked to coaches about it because they're like, Recruiting is already a grind. It's not the funnest thing in the world. But we can go into a house and say, man, look what we're doing. Look, we've upgraded this and upgraded that and that sort of thing. And now they don't get to even enjoy that little sliver of it.
02:08:36
Speaker 3: We are done. You know what I'm doing tomorrow? I'm going to the zoo. The Cincinnati Zoo.
02:08:43
Speaker 4: I've been to the zoo for a while. I'm off tomorrow. And Kelly and I are going to the zoo. I haven't been to the zoo in ages, and I don't know why, but I said, I want to go to the zoo. And it's going to be a gorgeous day, so I'm going to the zoo.
02:08:52
Speaker 6: I don't think I've ever been to the zoo when it wasn't like 175 degrees. So good for you to pick in the right time of year, in my opinion, to go to the zoo. What animal do you want to, are you really looking to get a gander at?
02:09:06
Speaker 3: Snakes.
02:09:08
Speaker 7: Really?
02:09:08
Speaker 3: A reptile house.
02:09:09
Speaker 5: A big giant, yeah.
02:09:13
Speaker 3: Next week, I'm going to do the show with a big, like, boa constrictor.
02:09:16
Speaker 6: Well, you'll be doing the show solo because I don't do that, okay?
02:09:20
Speaker 3: I don't care about a.
02:09:21
Speaker 6: crappy environment, but I'm not doing it next to a snake.
02:09:25
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Speaker 25: Blake, the Immersive Light and Art Festival returning to downtown Cincinnati and Covington tonight. And we'll be running nightly now through Sunday from 7 to 11 p.m.
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Speaker 28: We know it'll be huge crowds. We know it has an enormous economic impact. I was talking to an owner of a guy who owns a number of bars downtown, all that which you would know. And he said that in some of their places, they'll do double the business that they usually.
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Speaker 9: Do in a weekend.
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Speaker 25: Brendan Cole, who heads the Cincinnati Regional Chamber, has more than 2 million people experience Blink the last time it was held in 2024. 80 different art installations spanning from Finley Market across the Roving Suspension Bridge into Covington has organizers.