Julia Carmen (00:04):
Ola, beautiful beings. Welcome to a new episode of the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast. Oh, today I have a wonderful heart-centered conversation to share with you. I'm talking story with Dr. Tracy Johnson. Dr. Tracy is a coach, author of the book, broken Open, and a Practitioner of the Heart. That sound great? Okay. We talked about so many good things today, like understanding unconditional love and shifting your perspective from the outer expression to the inner experience. I love that Dr. Tracy shared her story and some of her favorite tools for connecting with your heart. I think you'll really love our discussion today. Listen in and if it touches something within you, please consider sharing it with your friends. Okay. Let's start this.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (01:13):
Hello, I'm Dr. Tracy j Johnson. I am known as the Heart Communicator. I'm a heart practitioner, and I'm so excited for the opportunity to communicate with Julia and to share powerful message that will impact and change your lives.
Julia Carmen (01:37):
I love that. I love that. Miha, when I was reading all your goodies here, and you have quite a bit here, and we'll get into that, which is, yeah, I'm curious, when you say your heart communicator, what does that mean exactly?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (01:57):
Well, I've been coined, or I've been received a nickname as a heart communicator because when I work with my clients or I'm doing workshops or retreats, an event, I have a gift and ability to connect with those that I serve heart, and I am able to translate messages for them. So when we are going through a process or we're in the middle of a workshop and they have questions about their journey or feel stuck in receiving their answers, I'm always able to just be still and connect with their heart and share what I receive. And every time that happens, they get so excited like, oh my God, that's it. It's because I go beyond their thoughts or their, what they're thinking in their mind. So I always tell my clients, you have to shift from your mind to your heart. So with me doing what I do, I have received a gift to be able to connect, or some people might call it connecting to their heart, the spirit of their heart. And so that's the reason why I've been nicknamed the Heart Communicator able to. That is beautiful. What's
Julia Carmen (03:26):
A IR?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (03:28):
It's an acronym, first Air. We all know that we can't live with our air, but the A IR is the acronym. The A stands for abundance. I stands for your inner journey, and the R stands for relationship. Now, the three areas are areas that affect us the most in our lives. So when I talk about abundance, I'm not just referring to financial abundance, but abundance across the board, like abundance of peace and joy and things of that nature. And then the eye is about your inner journey in terms of you experiencing your essence, who you truly are and your purpose and your power. And then relationships is the first and most important relationships points to your relationship with yourself and then others across the board.
Julia Carmen (04:33):
That is beautiful, really, actually is beautiful. Most people, and maybe you've, I'm sure you experienced this because being who you be, when folks come to the school without walls, there's three things they come to, whether it's individual work or retreat and so on. And I call it the three things, and that's financial wellbeing, relationship wellbeing, and health wellbeing.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (05:05):
And
Julia Carmen (05:05):
Those are the three things those people go, because each one of those, maybe except for health maybe, but it's subjective. So wealth, wellbeing. I had a sister, she was actually, Ms. Deborah passed this last year, and she was one of my coaches, and she said, Julia, I just want to be a thousandaire. I said, okay. I mean, I wasn't like, yeah, she goes, I don't want to be a millionaire. And I said, I had no thinking around it. And so I thought, huh, that's subjective, right? And the relationship thing, I love that because a lot of, there's relationships coaches out there that talked about getting your person, I'll just use that as a
Dr. Tracey Johnson (05:54):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (05:55):
And I don't see too many folks. I mean maybe a little bit more because the over culture is really getting on the whatever you want to call it. Okay. You have to love yourself first. And I'm like, yeah,
(06:12):
Nothing's going to happen unless you feeling yourself, because you ain't going to feel nobody else. Just like I said. Yeah.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (06:18):
So yes, with the air, it's called the air heart scan process. And so it's a process that I take the individuals through on an inner journey within their heart. And so whenever we go on the journey, one of the things that I always share with the client first, I'll allow them to choose first, and then I'll let them know whenever your inner journey is in alignment with who you are and your purpose for being, then everything else falls in place. Because I always tell my clients, if you don't go within, you go without.
Julia Carmen (07:05):
Amen. It is so true. When you said you asked folks, you let them choose. What does that mean?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (07:18):
Allow them to choose which area they would like to focus on, the abundance, the inner journey or the relationship portion.
Julia Carmen (07:28):
Okay. Okay. So I was like, my thinking was, oh, you do a scan and then you go, oh, okay, this is an area here where you may want to focus in on, you think I'm just making this up. I have no idea. But you'd be thinking you want to a relationship, but maybe you should focus in on blah, blah. So you definitely, that's cool. So when you sit with somebody, and that's my word for having a session with someone, you say, Hey, what would you like to work on? What would you like to see? What would you like to be part of the healing with? Kind of
Dr. Tracey Johnson (08:07):
Deal?
Julia Carmen (08:08):
Yes. Okay,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (08:08):
Great. And whatever it is, they overlap, to be honest with you, it will come out. And I just allow them to choose because whatever I want them to understand and know that your heart will reveal things to you and communicate with you. So if they come in and their heart is heavy surrounding a relationship dynamic or financial abundance, then I focused on that area just to assist them. And again, taking a journey into their heart so that they know that as you connect with yourself and fall in love with yourself then, and you are in tune to what your heart is revealing to you, then everything else I made mention before will fall into place. And it helps you to cultivate and cultivate a relationship from the inside out. Wow,
Julia Carmen (09:15):
That is beautiful. That also too, Dr. Tracy has been my experience, folks. So we're kind of on the same, we do work, right? Yeah. It's all about, for I, it's unconditional love of self. And then from that point on UCU, then you see everything. So it's not about seeing other folks, right? It's about seeing self. And you see yourself with all the wonderfulness, and maybe there's some things you go, oh, no, no, bueno. But you go, no, it is bueno, right? Yeah. So I love that what you just shared, because that is truth one. Okay. Let's say I want to have abundance. People always like the money thing, not always. And there's always this thing that shows up in the work, and it sounds like you see that, you'll see that. And it's definitely back to maybe the one thing that I hear a lot for a lot of women is not feeling worthy to have the abundance and having some old script thoughts.
(10:24):
So when you said you asked them to drop all what I call human thought, it's there. And once that human thought is dropped, then you can talk story with the divine heart. That's what I, because we have a physical heart, but there's a divine heart that you talk, you say spirit, right? Yeah. And that is like Bueno. That's like, that is like, oh yeah, baby, that's where it's at. Right? And so it sounds like I've just met you today, but it sounds like what you're sharing is that you connect to that divine heart, to another divine heart that's created by the creator of, all right, it goes beyond the over culture. Over culture, meaning who's ever running stuff. It could be a family where there's a person that's the over culture of the family or the US or whatever. And everywhere you go, there's somebody externally that's running things. And then humans, the humans thinks they have control and not so much because, right? For sure. For sure. So this is quite beautiful, and the word that keeps coming up is beautiful. It opens up so much for folks. I'm going to just read this. Okay. Miha, my body of work stems from life-changing of unconditional love from within my heart being broken open, being broken, open, and my desire to facilitate others in undergoing a similar transf journey that jumped off the paper to I being broken open. What do you mean by that?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (12:20):
Well, I actually wrote a book that's entitled Broken Open, A Truthful Journey into the Heart. And when I talk about broken open, so when I was a little girl, I used to go to church with my grandmother every Sunday, and it points to a scripture in the Bible where it talks about your heart being from within your heart flows, the issues of life, and the treasures are within your heart. So for me, as I continued on my journey, instead of most often individuals say that their heart has been broken when they experience a loss or go through trauma, but I say that your heart has been broken open so that the treasure within can come forth. So as a result of my heart being broken open, I was able to access the power and the wisdom within my heart in order to, first of all, transform my life and then use what I experienced and what I've created from within my heart with others. So it's just seeing our brokenness from a higher perspective, that it's broken open, so that the treasure within your heart can come forth very
Julia Carmen (13:48):
Similar vernacular from the inside out, not out there out there can be so much nonsense.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (13:59):
It's not about the outward expression, but the inward experience. There you
Julia Carmen (14:04):
Go. I love that.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:07):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (14:08):
Will you repeat that again, Miha?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:11):
It's not about the outer expression, it's about the inner experience.
Julia Carmen (14:16):
There you
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:16):
Go. Because one of the things that we both know, and I know we just use different terminology, but we're on the exact same page. We could tell just by us having a conversation, we see and know that it's the message. The message. I always say the spirit. Spirit is not schizophrenic. Spirit is saying, I love it. Sorry. Sorry. The same thing. You just use different words depending on your audience and who you've called and chosen to serve, right?
Julia Carmen (14:49):
Yeah. Amen. Dr. Tracy, you'd be funny. I love you. I'm not kidding, man.
(14:59):
No, because that is so true. That has been my experience out there. I use, I try to because, and maybe I shouldn't, don't know, but I have a wide, for myself, I can only speak for Julia, a wide range of folks coming to hang out with me at the school with thought walls. And so I do my best to use words that are, I'm not going to say generalize. Yeah. So most people don't know anything about me in my personal life because as soon as, and I don't know if you as people that come to my retreats or stuff, I know some, but not a whole lot because as soon as we say a word, as soon as we say a word for something, our brain grabs it and then creates this whole story. Yeah. I don't know how many times I've had folks come up to me and say, oh, are you, they'll actually say a certain religion. And I said, no, but if I was, I am not going to share that with you because a word that I said or something, or I wear certain things sometimes and they'll say, oh, you dah, dah, dah. I said, no, I'm not. When you said that's schizophrenic, which is not a, yeah, I think, oh, it does seem like I'm all over the place, but I'm not. It's the perception that folks hear when they hear certain words. Yeah. This is the truth.
(16:31):
The truth here is what you're sharing is very clear. There's a difference between, and this is what I share with folks all the time, and it sounds like you're in the same line. There's a difference between my truth and your truth and the truth and what you're right behind. So that heart, what I call the divine heart, which you call when you go in there and talk story is the truth. When there is a heartbroken or being broken, open, right? Open, yeah, open right. There are things that us humans do not want to see.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (17:16):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (17:17):
And we'd be saying no, right? We'd be saying, oh, no, this is how I feel. This is what I want. And you're going, but you go, okay, it's okay, honey. We're going to go here for a minute. And then the truth comes out and you go, and there's tears, laughter, or
Dr. Tracey Johnson (17:32):
Yes. That's the reason why I call my, I entitled, my book, broken Open a Truthful Journey into your heart, okay? Truthful journey. Because in order to tap into the essence of who you are, you have to bypass or not bypass, but go through to get to the other side. You can't bypass because you can't just try to avoid it and not look at it. But the only way you're going to be able to experience and encounter who you truly are is to go within, and you have to get through. And on the other side of all of what I call called the emotional blocks. And one of the things that I like with going back to the era heart scan process, there's three steps within the process. The first part of the process is identifying the layer of love that needs your attention. Now, the layer of love points to your experience and the manifestation of love within your heart, and each one of the steps has 12 aspects. And then the second part is the emotional blocks. Identifying what is the emotional block that is keeping you from fully experiencing the layer of love that has been revealed to you, that needs your attention. Now, one of the things that I always share with my clients is in those that I serve, is that emotional blocks aren't anything negative. It's just love turned inside out.
(19:30):
Yes. I love that. And then the last step is your call to action. What is it that you need to do in terms of demonstrating love to yourself in order to clear that emotional block or turn it outside in?
Julia Carmen (19:48):
Wow, that's me. That's beautiful. Yeah. I didn't have a chance to reach. You have one book or is it two, three?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (19:58):
Well, I have, I've written
Julia Carmen (20:02):
Two
Dr. Tracey Johnson (20:02):
Journal books and then my broken open book, and I just completed a workbook journal
Julia Carmen (20:11):
That
Dr. Tracey Johnson (20:12):
Takes you, that assists you on your truthful journey into your heart. So it takes, has exercises in, it has meditations and processes for you to go through in order to assist you in cultivating a deeper relationship with your heart and to be able to help you to learn how to connect with your heart to receive guidance and direction.
Julia Carmen (20:44):
I have a feeling I understand this Next question, answer, how do you do that? How do you do your scan? You do the scan first, right? Then you said the first one has 12 steps or something like that. And then you have these web
Dr. Tracey Johnson (21:03):
Books, 12 aspects, each one. Each one has 12 aspects. Oh, each one, there's 12 layers of love. Yes. There's 12 layers of love. There's 12 emotional blocks, and then there are 12. I call it call to actions or the manner in which you love yourself. You are to love yourself. So if your heart is open to receive, miss Julia, I can have you connect with your heart and you can go through the little example. And I do it often when I'm being interviewed, and it's so exciting and mind blowing, but it depends on if you want to go through it or I provided a link to my website and on my website, there is a gift that if you go on and you can download, and within that downloadable gift, you can click on the link to tape that will take you to schedule any of your listeners who would like to experience their own heart scan.
Julia Carmen (22:12):
Yes. Yeah. I get into that, which you're talking about, and I have a feeling that if we do, I'm not going to be a good interviewer.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (22:31):
Take you to Another Dimension, right?
Julia Carmen (22:34):
I went, oh, no, BU not. No bu no bu, no bu
(22:39):
No good, no bu good, good kind of deal. I understand. I get a little distracted here because No, I understand. No, it's all good. It's all good.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (22:51):
Yeah. And so your listeners definitely, if they go to my website, it'll have a popup that a gift for them from my heart to theirs, and it's like I provide the four steps to shifting into unconditional.
Julia Carmen (23:09):
I love that.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (23:11):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (23:12):
Is it is like a video, is that what you said? Or is it an audio
Dr. Tracey Johnson (23:17):
Thing? It's a document that takes them through the steps. Because one of the things that we have to do is be hyper aware of our inner space, being hyper aware of what our heart is, is speaking to us or sharing with us. Because one of the things that, it's a four step process and it goes a little more in depth, but it's like whenever you're experiencing I 'em low level emotions, I don't call anything negative. It's low level emotions. What you need to do is you have to stop and acknowledge what you're experiencing in the moment you accept it, don't resist it. Because if you resist it, then you add more power to whatever it is that you're experiencing, and then you love yourself through it. So you stop, you acknowledge, you accept and love yourself through it. And that's how the heart scan process helps the individual. Because most often we don't know what manner and what manner we need to love ourselves in order to clear the emotional block or to shift from experiencing that low level emotion into unconditionally loving ourselves.
Julia Carmen (24:37):
Yeah, I love that. No, for real. I mean, I'm just like, this is where I'm like, okay, Juliet, you're interviewing don't, I'm getting into you. I go, Oh, okay,
(24:51):
Well, don't what? This is what you're sharing, Alma. I'm the seer of the soul. So I'm able to see folks' soul self of being, which is the non-physical realm of being. And so some people say low vibration, hybrid. I don't use that. I don't use that shit. I don't. In the nonphysical realm of being, if you're here on this planet, and I call this jcs, I'm just going to go there. This is J C's house. And so it's all about unconditional love, not Julia Carmen. I'm talking about Jesus Christ. So this is his house, and his house is about unconditional love, not of other folks of self. And in that unconditional love of self, I'm not talking about religion or anything. I'm just talking about what is, and that's truth. And when I get a chance to just sit me and if it comes up, that is what it is.
(25:51):
So there is no good or bad in the nonphysical realm of being, there's only unconditional love of self, of the universal source of all in all dimensions of time and space. So I use, this is what my persons in the nonphysical realm that I talk story with. I say, well, I don't really care for that. When I was younger, I don't really care for this high vibration, low vibration. What the hell is that? And they go, no, no, no such thing. They go, no such thing. And I go, okay, educate me. I always tell them, educate me now I was young in my twenties or something like that. And they said, no, you're talking about dense frequency. So it just means there's just a whole lot of thinking going on. People are busy minded, dah, dah, dah. Your parents are like, they're in this density.
(26:41):
They're not bad people. They're just in a density of thought of pain or whatever you want to call it. Right? Then you got that medium kind of frequency of being, which is probably what most folks are doing. And then as we move into where we be doing our work, and you're doing your work, Dr. Tracy, you're doing your work, you said in service, not a servant, but in service. Yeah, in service of that, which is right. That's where I picked up on that. I said, right on that level of consciousness, that awareness, that knowing within that knowing within the truth, not necessarily jus truth, but the truth. And in that the frequency of the vibration gets finer and finer and finer it.
(27:31):
And then that's where the juice is. That's where we're walking around in both worlds. You are, I could see that you walking both worlds at the same time. Why not be aware and cognizant of both of them, you be there where both of them, and that's where the healing begins when we're in all that past kaka, right? That's not where it's at. Some people will say, well, this past relationship, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go, well, honey, when did that happen? They, oh, well, that was like 20 years ago. I said, oh, Kaka, you still there? In my head. I said, well, let's bring you home. Let's bring you here. And what you're talking about Dr. Tracy is just that, all that BU stuff, right? Yeah. And it's not about turning that kaka into getting rid of it. It's like looking at it as manure. Yeah. What can I get, not get? What can I see or be from here? Right?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (28:34):
Right. And how does it serve you? Work? All things work together for our good, not some, but all things.
Julia Carmen (28:42):
Amen. Totally. Yeah. And when you were talking about how some people will go too, I don't want to be thinking about blah, blah. I said, no, no, no, no, that's, that's not how this works. They go, what do you mean? Because what we're talking about is truth. You're coming in Dr. Tracy with that heart of being, and you're connected to the divine and listened. You've heard the creator of all the universal source of all, and you said, okay, I'm up for this, and I'm going to do my inservice to those folks that come because I know what I need to do and this is what I need to do. So when you're in line with that, then right on. So the folks will go, well, Julie, I said, no, no, no, Miha, check this out. If I ask you not to think of the color blue, and they go, okay, I could do that.
(29:27):
I said, no, no, don't think of the color blue. Well, no, no, don't think of the Come on. Don't think of the color blue. Now, don't think of the get the color blue, right? Yeah, exactly. And they get annoyed with me. They go, at first, they go, why are you telling me that? I said, what are you thinking about right now? They go, the color blue. Are you trying to get rid of it? I said, yeah, what's happening? Well, everything's turning blue. I said, right on. I said, there's no bad here. Color blue is not a bad thing. I have a student. She says, oh, Julia, I know when whatever comes up. I just say, and I love it. She goes, I see you. And I said, that's right. Whatever story, I see you. And then she acknowledges it, like you said, she acknowledges it and says, I'm just going to acknowledge when that blah, blah, blah, blah comes up.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (30:16):
You stop, accept, acknowledge and love yourself. And so what I wanted to share to make it clear, and I always do this to help people to understand, when I talk about love, I'm not talking about an emotion When I receive. One day I got sick and tired of being sick and tired of Being in emotional pain. And I prayed and I said, God, if you show me love, I promise you I would share with the world. And so with my relationship, if I have a question on my heart, or even if I didn't pray it or if it was just there, I'll go to sleep. And before I become fully awake in the morning, I'll receive my answer. So one night before I went to sleep and I was on my heart, God, what is love, really? And I woke up that morning and I heard loud and clear that love is all there is is the creative power of God, which gives life to everything and everyone. It is experienced and expressed in many different ways, but to the degree in which your heart is open to allow love from the inside out will be the degree that you will experience it and have the capacity to share it. Well, you wrote
Julia Carmen (31:44):
This book and you're sharing with folks, and you are a doctor. You got your doctrine and you are doing it Chika. That's very important to be doing your work and word your calling. And it's not about people following you, it's about folks seeing themselves within themselves and opening up that part of themselves that's already there. I call it the remembrance. I was working with a student yesterday and she goes, she wanted to learn something, something. I said, look at me. Huh? I said, I'm not teaching you anything. We use the word teach a lot, but I'm not teaching you anything. If anything, it's a remembrance. So if you want to, we're teaching, I'm teaching you to remember what that, which is already within you, all this this. There isn't anybody that could teach you this, what we're talking about. Now, if you want to be a brain surgeon, you're going to have to go to school for that, but
Dr. Tracey Johnson (32:57):
That's right.
Julia Carmen (32:58):
Yeah. Right. But none of the things of the heart that you're talking about, not the soul self, those things are already implanted there by God.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:08):
Yes. That's so true. It's awesome.
Julia Carmen (33:18):
I'm so happy you're here.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:21):
Well, I am so grateful, as I just said, to be able to connect with you and to share and just the connection in terms of speaking the same language in different words.
Julia Carmen (33:45):
Now, what is
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:47):
A gift from my heart to yours?
(33:50):
Yes. When you go onto my website, open heart world.com, it's where they can download the document of the process that I created to shifting into unconditional love. So it's something that was revealed to my heart that I'm giving to yours, and those who actually listen to the podcast, and I may mention if once they download the document within the document, if they're seeking to assistance with the connection, connecting with their heart, one of the first things that I do with those that I serve, I tell them, when you're building a relationship with yourself or when you meet someone, the first thing you learn about them is their name. And I always take 'em on a journey into their heart to find out what their heart's name is. And so that's really exciting. And so that's one of the first things that I do when I'm assisting the individuals, is helping them to build a relationship with their heart so that they can receive from the inside out.
Julia Carmen (35:13):
I don't know what, and you could say no to this, can you give us, since I'm not going to do it on air, can you give us an example that you feel comfortable sharing?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:26):
Well, what I'll do is I'll do, I'll be a Guinea pig to myself. I
(35:31):
Love it. I'll be my own Guinea pig.
Julia Carmen (35:35):
I love it. I'm very visual. So I see this little Guinea pig next to you. Oh yeah,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:44):
That's what I'm going to be the Guinea pig. And so I'll just take you through the process because I know, I think it's great. Julia doesn't want to do that because she don't want to go in because she might not come back out.
Julia Carmen (35:55):
Exactly. Thank you. You understand?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:59):
Yes, I got you. I got you. I promise you, I do something I always call it when I talk to my clients, I say, open your heart to receive. But
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When there's something, sometimes there's something. If you're in a relationship and people know that who are in a relationship with me, whether it's my daughter or friends or something like that, if I say I need to do an open heart, that means that I'm going to share something that might be difficult for me to share or difficult for you to hear. So I'm going to share an open heart in terms of where I am at this point in my journey. And as you have been truly a blessing to me in terms of talking about or sharing how when we have this, what I've been, I term it as having this calling or purpose on our lives, and we are here to serve. There are times when, for example, in this, I've been creating and writing books and creating a heart scan process. And my desire is to reach far and wide.
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And so right now I'm in a place where I'm just seeking for assistance with connecting with those whose heart has been broken open and to help them on their journey. So that's where I am right now. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to do a heart scan surrounding abundance. So not just about financial abundance, but the abundance of attracting those into my life, whose heart is in need of what I've been gifted with. So that's why I'm going to focus on the abundance portion. So the first part is the layer of love. And so when I'm doing the heart skin, I have the individual to connect with their heart and to communicate with their heart throughout the whole process. So the first step is for me to identify what is the layer of love that needs my attention surrounding my attracting those, the multitude of those who need assistance.
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So what I'm going to do is I already know my heart's name. My heart's name is Bell, and it's spelled B-E-L-L-E-L means God. So my heart is like B, the letter B-E-L-L-E, b God. It's like connects with the God that's within you, the source that dwells within you. So I put my hand on my heart and I say, Belle, what is the layer of love that needs my attention? So I created a heart skin card deck that is shaped like hearts. And so what I do is I have the 12 layers of love, and on one side there is the graphics and on the other side where we reveal the layer. So right now I'm putting my hand on my heart and I'm saying, Belle, what layer needs my attention right now surrounding attracting those who need what I've been gifted with to help them on an inner journey? So then I will allow Belle to reveal to me, either I can run my hand across the cards to see which one jumps out or just have a feeling.
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Okay? So Bell says that the layer of love that needs my attention is love, meaning the power. So Bell is saying, it is the power. My power needs my attention in terms of me, when I talk about the power, the power that has been given to me to create my reality bell is just like connect with the power of love, which is what you are the creative of your reality, regardless if you believe it or not. So be was like connect to your power and create what you choose. So the next thing, I put my hand on my heart and I said, be, what is blocking my creative power at this point? What is blocking my creative power? What is the emotional block? So Bell says, insecurity, worry, anxiety, and fear. That's what she's saying. So I'm a Guinea pig. I'm putting all my business out in the street, I putting all my business. So my heart is saying that you are worried and you're anxious.
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And that is true. I am anxious, like, okay, bill, I've been working on these books and online course and everything, and okay, where are the people? So Bill is says, you're just being anxious and you're worried. You're worried and you're anxious. And then the fear is the foundation of all of the emotional blocks. And love is a foundation of all of the layers of love. So the elements of the experience of the emotional block is worry, anxiety, and fear. So I'm the heart doctor, how am I in that space? But guess what? We all have a journey. And so you have to walk your talk, and I walk my talk and I follow the guidance of my heart. So now I'm getting ready to say, be, what's the call to action? What do I need? In what manner do I need to love myself in order to clear this insecurity of worry, anxiety, and fear right now? So let me see what Bell wants me to do. So Bell says, this is the first one that ever came out for me. Bell says, to make choices and decisions that are in alignment with who you are, what's important to you, and what resonates within your heart.
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That's what Belle just told me. I pulled the, I didn't look at any of the cards, but she is like saying, you need to make choices and decisions that are in alignment with who you are. So one of the things I was like, okay, well, if there's no one to serve, then what should I do? Should I go and just do the regular nine to five and just share my message with the people that I find myself working with or what? But be was like, no, no. So Bell is like, that's not who you are. That is not who you are. See, I'm telling you, she said, that is not who you are. Is that who you are? A person that's going to go and work a nine to five job? No. That is not who you are. What is important to you, who you are, and what is important. What is important to me is to serve humanity, to assist in restoring the power of love and the heart of humanity. That's what's important to me. And what resonates within my heart is sharing the message and doing heart scans. And anything, when I say that resonates within your heart is what makes your heart smile. Being interviewed by Julia right now is making my heart smile.
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So that's how the heart skin works. I take you on a journey. You ask a question of each layer. I mean each step, what's the layer of love that needs your attention? What's blocking that layer of love? And what is the call to action and what manner do you need to love yourself? So Bell is telling me to love myself by making choices and decisions based on who I know I am and what is important to me and what makes my heart smile. That's what she told me to do.
Julia Carmen (44:14):
I love it, Dr. Tracy. That is so beautiful. I'm glad you did that. Yeah, I would've been gone. You, I would've been like, yeah, okay.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (44:27):
Julia has left the building. Yeah, I was trying to
Julia Carmen (44:34):
Be like, oh, I love this. I truly, actually, I was trying to stay in my lane because I'm like, Ooh, this. Oh, this is so cool. Of course, people are going to get, get your goodies, heart
Dr. Tracey Johnson (44:50):
Scans. Yeah, your heart scan it. It would really help. It really does. And so if the session is for hour, but like I said, please go to open heart world.com and the popup, it'll pop up on the website immediately, and it's like a gift from my heart to yours, and then you just click on it, it'll download it. And I also have a online course that will be coming out soon, and if the listeners can just go click on the portion where it says, put your email address in there so that you can learn whenever that comes out. But the popup says, your heart is calling you. Click below to receive your turn emotional pain into unconditional love. Your four step guide, open your heart to receive. That is so
Julia Carmen (45:57):
Beautiful. One thing that you said in there, which is I find so valuable, is that you said walking your talk. And
(46:07):
That is a challenge for a lot of us, for not a lot of us. But that's the thing that as I'm teaching or as I'm doing my work or whatever, I really have to be aware of what I call the moment of pause when I'm busy minded, when my whatever's showing up and I'm like, oh my gosh, because this is what it is for me. I have access to what most people don't like a lot in the nonphysical realm. I was born this way. I don't know what it feels like not to have God creator or all angels guides and so on. I don't know. And I do this one thing that always takes, I don't do it so much anymore, but when I was growing up there, because not a lot of people around me except for my mom was also my grandmother and so on.
(47:04):
But that's a whole another thing, and that was that unconditional love of self, which was there. But I would get the info and then I would go, eh, you're talking about the alignment. I would go, man, I need to go do this over here, because that's what everybody else is doing. Again, this is my twenties, thirties, and so on in there. And then I would always go and my piece would go, where did you go? And I go, I dunno. Just follow this line. Yeah, just follow this line over here. That's the deal. And then when I started doing that, more often than not, folks would go, what are you doing? You know that in 2016, God said, move to Montana. I said, what? I said, oh, okay. And I did and pretty much knew nobody and blah, blah, blah. I was on a mission for something, whatever.
(47:59):
And everybody, my family, everybody was, what are you doing? I said, I don't know. This is something to do. I didn't realize what a big thing that was. I just listen and I do. Yeah, but it's not that easy. You're talking about miha, really honest to goodness. Our heart is so I didn't realize, honest, the honest with you, the human heart is fragile. We need folks in our lives. We need humans in our lives to direct us back to ourselves because no matter how much we know on whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, it's like the surgeon, and we'll go back to the brain, perform brain surgery on themselves, and we need folks that can see us. And the first thing, I call it, the container of love. Your container has a container of unconditional love. I would feel totally safe moving into that container knowing you got me, you're not going to mess with me. You're not going to hurt me. You're not going to do something weird. And that's what I have built all my life in the school without walls. That's what I wanted, a container that where people felt comfortable to come in, that they know that I'm not going to direct them anywhere but back home to themselves. And that's what you're doing now. You're directing people back home to themselves through your work, through your service, through your word, your cards, the gift from my heart to yours. That is truth.
(49:42):
This is amazing. I'm so happy and grateful and thankful that God found you for me to get the message out. Oh, for real, Mia, because this is something that is needed now. And this is the thing that is truth, not my truth. Again, working with folks that blah, blah, blah, right? There's a lot of ceremonies and things like that that folks say, well, Julie, we got to do it this way. I said, no, no. Check this out. Bring the old into the new and the new into the old. And that's what you're doing. Miha, unconditional love has been here since the beginning of time and space. That is a given, but people have been doing it kind of funky. They have been outside in for so long, especially our culture here. This country's only 200 years old. Duh. That's not old. And it's a consumer kind of a deal. Outside in, outside in, you are saying, no, come back home,
(50:49):
Come to the truth, and you're bringing in unquote, the old of the new and the new into the old. It's like a rainbow. There you go. That's what I'm seeing. This amazing rainbow that has all these different, the primary colors, but you ever seen a rainbow? Every rainbow I have ever seen is embedded into my consciousness of all, because they are amazing. They're all the elements are there, right? Yeah. And that's what you're doing with folks. You're saying, come, come. I'm not taking anything away from you. You could keep whatever you want. You have free will. We're just going to allow it to be what it really is, and that's unconditional love of self. And then from there, you're going to have all the abundance you need and want. You'll be happy. My sister Deborah said, I want to be a thousandaire said right on mha, but we can't do this alone. And that's what you're about.
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What you're doing is you're assisting and being part of the healing of our hearts, miha. Your work's very important. Very important. It's not something it is individual, and that's what you're doing. You're being the Guinea pig. I felt you. I was like right there. I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. Again, I would've been gone. It would've not been. You would've just had to say, well, I got to close this up for Julia, and I'm getting off, and hopefully her recording will stop at some point. No, I'm serious. My students would tell you, I go in when somebody is working on me, I go in because if I feel safe, I'm there. If I don't trust me, I feel safe with you. Not yet. If I don't feel safe, I won't even, God wouldn't even brought you to me. He wouldn't have introduced us if I felt anywhere near unsafe about talking story with anybody. This time is precious. Our time together is precious. It's not. It's a gift.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (53:05):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (53:08):
Yes, it is. Yeah. So we could do this all day. I am just like, my heart is so full right now. Miha in such a good way just by being here with you and interviewing you, and I'm being in the same space. You folks that are listening, my heart feels so happy. It is smiling, totally smiling, and
Dr. Tracey Johnson (53:43):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (53:44):
Yeah. So I want to thank you for being on the show, Miha big time. And if there's anything you would like to share more, you're welcome to take as much time or little time as you need and want, because we love to hear from you. If there's something else you want to share,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (54:04):
Well, it is just send out love and light to help attract those who are in need of experiencing the power of love from the inside out. Because one of the things that's coming up in my heart, a scripture, like I said, I grew up in the church and it says, here I am Lord, send me.
Julia Carmen (54:33):
Oh God,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (54:34):
Yes. And so I've said that a long time ago, and so I'm just waiting for God to just show me the door to walk through. So if there's anything that I can do to collaborate with you and assisting in restoring the power of love and the heart of humanity, I know that's what you're calling is as well. Just let me know.
Julia Carmen (54:59):
Oh, amen. Amen. Thank you, mha, thank you for being on the show. It's my pleasure. Thanks so much for joining me today. I hope my conversation with Dr. Tracy connected with your heart today. We've included links to Dr. Tracy's website and free offerings in our show notes, so you can follow along and connect with her too. Yeah. For more conversations like this, be sure you're subscribed to the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast on your favorite podcast player. You'll find us on Apple Podcasts and over on Spotify and meet, of course on our website, the School Without wa.net. Visit our website to sign up for our newsletter. We have some exciting webinars and offerings coming later this year and in early 2025. Woo Chi Wow 2025 and getting onto our email list is the best way to keep up with everything happening. Sign up today at the School Without Walls net. Thanks for joining us.
Ola, beautiful beings. Welcome to a new episode of the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast. Oh, today I have a wonderful heart-centered conversation to share with you. I'm talking story with Dr. Tracy Johnson. Dr. Tracy is a coach, author of the book, broken Open, and a Practitioner of the Heart. That sound great? Okay. We talked about so many good things today, like understanding unconditional love and shifting your perspective from the outer expression to the inner experience. I love that Dr. Tracy shared her story and some of her favorite tools for connecting with your heart. I think you'll really love our discussion today. Listen in and if it touches something within you, please consider sharing it with your friends. Okay. Let's start this.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (01:13):
Hello, I'm Dr. Tracy j Johnson. I am known as the Heart Communicator. I'm a heart practitioner, and I'm so excited for the opportunity to communicate with Julia and to share powerful message that will impact and change your lives.
Julia Carmen (01:37):
I love that. I love that. Miha, when I was reading all your goodies here, and you have quite a bit here, and we'll get into that, which is, yeah, I'm curious, when you say your heart communicator, what does that mean exactly?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (01:57):
Well, I've been coined, or I've been received a nickname as a heart communicator because when I work with my clients or I'm doing workshops or retreats, an event, I have a gift and ability to connect with those that I serve heart, and I am able to translate messages for them. So when we are going through a process or we're in the middle of a workshop and they have questions about their journey or feel stuck in receiving their answers, I'm always able to just be still and connect with their heart and share what I receive. And every time that happens, they get so excited like, oh my God, that's it. It's because I go beyond their thoughts or their, what they're thinking in their mind. So I always tell my clients, you have to shift from your mind to your heart. So with me doing what I do, I have received a gift to be able to connect, or some people might call it connecting to their heart, the spirit of their heart. And so that's the reason why I've been nicknamed the Heart Communicator able to. That is beautiful. What's
Julia Carmen (03:26):
A IR?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (03:28):
It's an acronym, first Air. We all know that we can't live with our air, but the A IR is the acronym. The A stands for abundance. I stands for your inner journey, and the R stands for relationship. Now, the three areas are areas that affect us the most in our lives. So when I talk about abundance, I'm not just referring to financial abundance, but abundance across the board, like abundance of peace and joy and things of that nature. And then the eye is about your inner journey in terms of you experiencing your essence, who you truly are and your purpose and your power. And then relationships is the first and most important relationships points to your relationship with yourself and then others across the board.
Julia Carmen (04:33):
That is beautiful, really, actually is beautiful. Most people, and maybe you've, I'm sure you experienced this because being who you be, when folks come to the school without walls, there's three things they come to, whether it's individual work or retreat and so on. And I call it the three things, and that's financial wellbeing, relationship wellbeing, and health wellbeing.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (05:05):
And
Julia Carmen (05:05):
Those are the three things those people go, because each one of those, maybe except for health maybe, but it's subjective. So wealth, wellbeing. I had a sister, she was actually, Ms. Deborah passed this last year, and she was one of my coaches, and she said, Julia, I just want to be a thousandaire. I said, okay. I mean, I wasn't like, yeah, she goes, I don't want to be a millionaire. And I said, I had no thinking around it. And so I thought, huh, that's subjective, right? And the relationship thing, I love that because a lot of, there's relationships coaches out there that talked about getting your person, I'll just use that as a
Dr. Tracey Johnson (05:54):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (05:55):
And I don't see too many folks. I mean maybe a little bit more because the over culture is really getting on the whatever you want to call it. Okay. You have to love yourself first. And I'm like, yeah,
(06:12):
Nothing's going to happen unless you feeling yourself, because you ain't going to feel nobody else. Just like I said. Yeah.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (06:18):
So yes, with the air, it's called the air heart scan process. And so it's a process that I take the individuals through on an inner journey within their heart. And so whenever we go on the journey, one of the things that I always share with the client first, I'll allow them to choose first, and then I'll let them know whenever your inner journey is in alignment with who you are and your purpose for being, then everything else falls in place. Because I always tell my clients, if you don't go within, you go without.
Julia Carmen (07:05):
Amen. It is so true. When you said you asked folks, you let them choose. What does that mean?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (07:18):
Allow them to choose which area they would like to focus on, the abundance, the inner journey or the relationship portion.
Julia Carmen (07:28):
Okay. Okay. So I was like, my thinking was, oh, you do a scan and then you go, oh, okay, this is an area here where you may want to focus in on, you think I'm just making this up. I have no idea. But you'd be thinking you want to a relationship, but maybe you should focus in on blah, blah. So you definitely, that's cool. So when you sit with somebody, and that's my word for having a session with someone, you say, Hey, what would you like to work on? What would you like to see? What would you like to be part of the healing with? Kind of
Dr. Tracey Johnson (08:07):
Deal?
Julia Carmen (08:08):
Yes. Okay,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (08:08):
Great. And whatever it is, they overlap, to be honest with you, it will come out. And I just allow them to choose because whatever I want them to understand and know that your heart will reveal things to you and communicate with you. So if they come in and their heart is heavy surrounding a relationship dynamic or financial abundance, then I focused on that area just to assist them. And again, taking a journey into their heart so that they know that as you connect with yourself and fall in love with yourself then, and you are in tune to what your heart is revealing to you, then everything else I made mention before will fall into place. And it helps you to cultivate and cultivate a relationship from the inside out. Wow,
Julia Carmen (09:15):
That is beautiful. That also too, Dr. Tracy has been my experience, folks. So we're kind of on the same, we do work, right? Yeah. It's all about, for I, it's unconditional love of self. And then from that point on UCU, then you see everything. So it's not about seeing other folks, right? It's about seeing self. And you see yourself with all the wonderfulness, and maybe there's some things you go, oh, no, no, bueno. But you go, no, it is bueno, right? Yeah. So I love that what you just shared, because that is truth one. Okay. Let's say I want to have abundance. People always like the money thing, not always. And there's always this thing that shows up in the work, and it sounds like you see that, you'll see that. And it's definitely back to maybe the one thing that I hear a lot for a lot of women is not feeling worthy to have the abundance and having some old script thoughts.
(10:24):
So when you said you asked them to drop all what I call human thought, it's there. And once that human thought is dropped, then you can talk story with the divine heart. That's what I, because we have a physical heart, but there's a divine heart that you talk, you say spirit, right? Yeah. And that is like Bueno. That's like, that is like, oh yeah, baby, that's where it's at. Right? And so it sounds like I've just met you today, but it sounds like what you're sharing is that you connect to that divine heart, to another divine heart that's created by the creator of, all right, it goes beyond the over culture. Over culture, meaning who's ever running stuff. It could be a family where there's a person that's the over culture of the family or the US or whatever. And everywhere you go, there's somebody externally that's running things. And then humans, the humans thinks they have control and not so much because, right? For sure. For sure. So this is quite beautiful, and the word that keeps coming up is beautiful. It opens up so much for folks. I'm going to just read this. Okay. Miha, my body of work stems from life-changing of unconditional love from within my heart being broken open, being broken, open, and my desire to facilitate others in undergoing a similar transf journey that jumped off the paper to I being broken open. What do you mean by that?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (12:20):
Well, I actually wrote a book that's entitled Broken Open, A Truthful Journey into the Heart. And when I talk about broken open, so when I was a little girl, I used to go to church with my grandmother every Sunday, and it points to a scripture in the Bible where it talks about your heart being from within your heart flows, the issues of life, and the treasures are within your heart. So for me, as I continued on my journey, instead of most often individuals say that their heart has been broken when they experience a loss or go through trauma, but I say that your heart has been broken open so that the treasure within can come forth. So as a result of my heart being broken open, I was able to access the power and the wisdom within my heart in order to, first of all, transform my life and then use what I experienced and what I've created from within my heart with others. So it's just seeing our brokenness from a higher perspective, that it's broken open, so that the treasure within your heart can come forth very
Julia Carmen (13:48):
Similar vernacular from the inside out, not out there out there can be so much nonsense.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (13:59):
It's not about the outward expression, but the inward experience. There you
Julia Carmen (14:04):
Go. I love that.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:07):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (14:08):
Will you repeat that again, Miha?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:11):
It's not about the outer expression, it's about the inner experience.
Julia Carmen (14:16):
There you
Dr. Tracey Johnson (14:16):
Go. Because one of the things that we both know, and I know we just use different terminology, but we're on the exact same page. We could tell just by us having a conversation, we see and know that it's the message. The message. I always say the spirit. Spirit is not schizophrenic. Spirit is saying, I love it. Sorry. Sorry. The same thing. You just use different words depending on your audience and who you've called and chosen to serve, right?
Julia Carmen (14:49):
Yeah. Amen. Dr. Tracy, you'd be funny. I love you. I'm not kidding, man.
(14:59):
No, because that is so true. That has been my experience out there. I use, I try to because, and maybe I shouldn't, don't know, but I have a wide, for myself, I can only speak for Julia, a wide range of folks coming to hang out with me at the school with thought walls. And so I do my best to use words that are, I'm not going to say generalize. Yeah. So most people don't know anything about me in my personal life because as soon as, and I don't know if you as people that come to my retreats or stuff, I know some, but not a whole lot because as soon as we say a word, as soon as we say a word for something, our brain grabs it and then creates this whole story. Yeah. I don't know how many times I've had folks come up to me and say, oh, are you, they'll actually say a certain religion. And I said, no, but if I was, I am not going to share that with you because a word that I said or something, or I wear certain things sometimes and they'll say, oh, you dah, dah, dah. I said, no, I'm not. When you said that's schizophrenic, which is not a, yeah, I think, oh, it does seem like I'm all over the place, but I'm not. It's the perception that folks hear when they hear certain words. Yeah. This is the truth.
(16:31):
The truth here is what you're sharing is very clear. There's a difference between, and this is what I share with folks all the time, and it sounds like you're in the same line. There's a difference between my truth and your truth and the truth and what you're right behind. So that heart, what I call the divine heart, which you call when you go in there and talk story is the truth. When there is a heartbroken or being broken, open, right? Open, yeah, open right. There are things that us humans do not want to see.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (17:16):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (17:17):
And we'd be saying no, right? We'd be saying, oh, no, this is how I feel. This is what I want. And you're going, but you go, okay, it's okay, honey. We're going to go here for a minute. And then the truth comes out and you go, and there's tears, laughter, or
Dr. Tracey Johnson (17:32):
Yes. That's the reason why I call my, I entitled, my book, broken Open a Truthful Journey into your heart, okay? Truthful journey. Because in order to tap into the essence of who you are, you have to bypass or not bypass, but go through to get to the other side. You can't bypass because you can't just try to avoid it and not look at it. But the only way you're going to be able to experience and encounter who you truly are is to go within, and you have to get through. And on the other side of all of what I call called the emotional blocks. And one of the things that I like with going back to the era heart scan process, there's three steps within the process. The first part of the process is identifying the layer of love that needs your attention. Now, the layer of love points to your experience and the manifestation of love within your heart, and each one of the steps has 12 aspects. And then the second part is the emotional blocks. Identifying what is the emotional block that is keeping you from fully experiencing the layer of love that has been revealed to you, that needs your attention. Now, one of the things that I always share with my clients is in those that I serve, is that emotional blocks aren't anything negative. It's just love turned inside out.
(19:30):
Yes. I love that. And then the last step is your call to action. What is it that you need to do in terms of demonstrating love to yourself in order to clear that emotional block or turn it outside in?
Julia Carmen (19:48):
Wow, that's me. That's beautiful. Yeah. I didn't have a chance to reach. You have one book or is it two, three?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (19:58):
Well, I have, I've written
Julia Carmen (20:02):
Two
Dr. Tracey Johnson (20:02):
Journal books and then my broken open book, and I just completed a workbook journal
Julia Carmen (20:11):
That
Dr. Tracey Johnson (20:12):
Takes you, that assists you on your truthful journey into your heart. So it takes, has exercises in, it has meditations and processes for you to go through in order to assist you in cultivating a deeper relationship with your heart and to be able to help you to learn how to connect with your heart to receive guidance and direction.
Julia Carmen (20:44):
I have a feeling I understand this Next question, answer, how do you do that? How do you do your scan? You do the scan first, right? Then you said the first one has 12 steps or something like that. And then you have these web
Dr. Tracey Johnson (21:03):
Books, 12 aspects, each one. Each one has 12 aspects. Oh, each one, there's 12 layers of love. Yes. There's 12 layers of love. There's 12 emotional blocks, and then there are 12. I call it call to actions or the manner in which you love yourself. You are to love yourself. So if your heart is open to receive, miss Julia, I can have you connect with your heart and you can go through the little example. And I do it often when I'm being interviewed, and it's so exciting and mind blowing, but it depends on if you want to go through it or I provided a link to my website and on my website, there is a gift that if you go on and you can download, and within that downloadable gift, you can click on the link to tape that will take you to schedule any of your listeners who would like to experience their own heart scan.
Julia Carmen (22:12):
Yes. Yeah. I get into that, which you're talking about, and I have a feeling that if we do, I'm not going to be a good interviewer.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (22:31):
Take you to Another Dimension, right?
Julia Carmen (22:34):
I went, oh, no, BU not. No bu no bu, no bu
(22:39):
No good, no bu good, good kind of deal. I understand. I get a little distracted here because No, I understand. No, it's all good. It's all good.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (22:51):
Yeah. And so your listeners definitely, if they go to my website, it'll have a popup that a gift for them from my heart to theirs, and it's like I provide the four steps to shifting into unconditional.
Julia Carmen (23:09):
I love that.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (23:11):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (23:12):
Is it is like a video, is that what you said? Or is it an audio
Dr. Tracey Johnson (23:17):
Thing? It's a document that takes them through the steps. Because one of the things that we have to do is be hyper aware of our inner space, being hyper aware of what our heart is, is speaking to us or sharing with us. Because one of the things that, it's a four step process and it goes a little more in depth, but it's like whenever you're experiencing I 'em low level emotions, I don't call anything negative. It's low level emotions. What you need to do is you have to stop and acknowledge what you're experiencing in the moment you accept it, don't resist it. Because if you resist it, then you add more power to whatever it is that you're experiencing, and then you love yourself through it. So you stop, you acknowledge, you accept and love yourself through it. And that's how the heart scan process helps the individual. Because most often we don't know what manner and what manner we need to love ourselves in order to clear the emotional block or to shift from experiencing that low level emotion into unconditionally loving ourselves.
Julia Carmen (24:37):
Yeah, I love that. No, for real. I mean, I'm just like, this is where I'm like, okay, Juliet, you're interviewing don't, I'm getting into you. I go, Oh, okay,
(24:51):
Well, don't what? This is what you're sharing, Alma. I'm the seer of the soul. So I'm able to see folks' soul self of being, which is the non-physical realm of being. And so some people say low vibration, hybrid. I don't use that. I don't use that shit. I don't. In the nonphysical realm of being, if you're here on this planet, and I call this jcs, I'm just going to go there. This is J C's house. And so it's all about unconditional love, not Julia Carmen. I'm talking about Jesus Christ. So this is his house, and his house is about unconditional love, not of other folks of self. And in that unconditional love of self, I'm not talking about religion or anything. I'm just talking about what is, and that's truth. And when I get a chance to just sit me and if it comes up, that is what it is.
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So there is no good or bad in the nonphysical realm of being, there's only unconditional love of self, of the universal source of all in all dimensions of time and space. So I use, this is what my persons in the nonphysical realm that I talk story with. I say, well, I don't really care for that. When I was younger, I don't really care for this high vibration, low vibration. What the hell is that? And they go, no, no, no such thing. They go, no such thing. And I go, okay, educate me. I always tell them, educate me now I was young in my twenties or something like that. And they said, no, you're talking about dense frequency. So it just means there's just a whole lot of thinking going on. People are busy minded, dah, dah, dah. Your parents are like, they're in this density.
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They're not bad people. They're just in a density of thought of pain or whatever you want to call it. Right? Then you got that medium kind of frequency of being, which is probably what most folks are doing. And then as we move into where we be doing our work, and you're doing your work, Dr. Tracy, you're doing your work, you said in service, not a servant, but in service. Yeah, in service of that, which is right. That's where I picked up on that. I said, right on that level of consciousness, that awareness, that knowing within that knowing within the truth, not necessarily jus truth, but the truth. And in that the frequency of the vibration gets finer and finer and finer it.
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And then that's where the juice is. That's where we're walking around in both worlds. You are, I could see that you walking both worlds at the same time. Why not be aware and cognizant of both of them, you be there where both of them, and that's where the healing begins when we're in all that past kaka, right? That's not where it's at. Some people will say, well, this past relationship, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go, well, honey, when did that happen? They, oh, well, that was like 20 years ago. I said, oh, Kaka, you still there? In my head. I said, well, let's bring you home. Let's bring you here. And what you're talking about Dr. Tracy is just that, all that BU stuff, right? Yeah. And it's not about turning that kaka into getting rid of it. It's like looking at it as manure. Yeah. What can I get, not get? What can I see or be from here? Right?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (28:34):
Right. And how does it serve you? Work? All things work together for our good, not some, but all things.
Julia Carmen (28:42):
Amen. Totally. Yeah. And when you were talking about how some people will go too, I don't want to be thinking about blah, blah. I said, no, no, no, no, that's, that's not how this works. They go, what do you mean? Because what we're talking about is truth. You're coming in Dr. Tracy with that heart of being, and you're connected to the divine and listened. You've heard the creator of all the universal source of all, and you said, okay, I'm up for this, and I'm going to do my inservice to those folks that come because I know what I need to do and this is what I need to do. So when you're in line with that, then right on. So the folks will go, well, Julie, I said, no, no, no, Miha, check this out. If I ask you not to think of the color blue, and they go, okay, I could do that.
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I said, no, no, don't think of the color blue. Well, no, no, don't think of the Come on. Don't think of the color blue. Now, don't think of the get the color blue, right? Yeah, exactly. And they get annoyed with me. They go, at first, they go, why are you telling me that? I said, what are you thinking about right now? They go, the color blue. Are you trying to get rid of it? I said, yeah, what's happening? Well, everything's turning blue. I said, right on. I said, there's no bad here. Color blue is not a bad thing. I have a student. She says, oh, Julia, I know when whatever comes up. I just say, and I love it. She goes, I see you. And I said, that's right. Whatever story, I see you. And then she acknowledges it, like you said, she acknowledges it and says, I'm just going to acknowledge when that blah, blah, blah, blah comes up.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (30:16):
You stop, accept, acknowledge and love yourself. And so what I wanted to share to make it clear, and I always do this to help people to understand, when I talk about love, I'm not talking about an emotion When I receive. One day I got sick and tired of being sick and tired of Being in emotional pain. And I prayed and I said, God, if you show me love, I promise you I would share with the world. And so with my relationship, if I have a question on my heart, or even if I didn't pray it or if it was just there, I'll go to sleep. And before I become fully awake in the morning, I'll receive my answer. So one night before I went to sleep and I was on my heart, God, what is love, really? And I woke up that morning and I heard loud and clear that love is all there is is the creative power of God, which gives life to everything and everyone. It is experienced and expressed in many different ways, but to the degree in which your heart is open to allow love from the inside out will be the degree that you will experience it and have the capacity to share it. Well, you wrote
Julia Carmen (31:44):
This book and you're sharing with folks, and you are a doctor. You got your doctrine and you are doing it Chika. That's very important to be doing your work and word your calling. And it's not about people following you, it's about folks seeing themselves within themselves and opening up that part of themselves that's already there. I call it the remembrance. I was working with a student yesterday and she goes, she wanted to learn something, something. I said, look at me. Huh? I said, I'm not teaching you anything. We use the word teach a lot, but I'm not teaching you anything. If anything, it's a remembrance. So if you want to, we're teaching, I'm teaching you to remember what that, which is already within you, all this this. There isn't anybody that could teach you this, what we're talking about. Now, if you want to be a brain surgeon, you're going to have to go to school for that, but
Dr. Tracey Johnson (32:57):
That's right.
Julia Carmen (32:58):
Yeah. Right. But none of the things of the heart that you're talking about, not the soul self, those things are already implanted there by God.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:08):
Yes. That's so true. It's awesome.
Julia Carmen (33:18):
I'm so happy you're here.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:21):
Well, I am so grateful, as I just said, to be able to connect with you and to share and just the connection in terms of speaking the same language in different words.
Julia Carmen (33:45):
Now, what is
Dr. Tracey Johnson (33:47):
A gift from my heart to yours?
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Yes. When you go onto my website, open heart world.com, it's where they can download the document of the process that I created to shifting into unconditional love. So it's something that was revealed to my heart that I'm giving to yours, and those who actually listen to the podcast, and I may mention if once they download the document within the document, if they're seeking to assistance with the connection, connecting with their heart, one of the first things that I do with those that I serve, I tell them, when you're building a relationship with yourself or when you meet someone, the first thing you learn about them is their name. And I always take 'em on a journey into their heart to find out what their heart's name is. And so that's really exciting. And so that's one of the first things that I do when I'm assisting the individuals, is helping them to build a relationship with their heart so that they can receive from the inside out.
Julia Carmen (35:13):
I don't know what, and you could say no to this, can you give us, since I'm not going to do it on air, can you give us an example that you feel comfortable sharing?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:26):
Well, what I'll do is I'll do, I'll be a Guinea pig to myself. I
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Love it. I'll be my own Guinea pig.
Julia Carmen (35:35):
I love it. I'm very visual. So I see this little Guinea pig next to you. Oh yeah,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:44):
That's what I'm going to be the Guinea pig. And so I'll just take you through the process because I know, I think it's great. Julia doesn't want to do that because she don't want to go in because she might not come back out.
Julia Carmen (35:55):
Exactly. Thank you. You understand?
Dr. Tracey Johnson (35:59):
Yes, I got you. I got you. I promise you, I do something I always call it when I talk to my clients, I say, open your heart to receive. But
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When there's something, sometimes there's something. If you're in a relationship and people know that who are in a relationship with me, whether it's my daughter or friends or something like that, if I say I need to do an open heart, that means that I'm going to share something that might be difficult for me to share or difficult for you to hear. So I'm going to share an open heart in terms of where I am at this point in my journey. And as you have been truly a blessing to me in terms of talking about or sharing how when we have this, what I've been, I term it as having this calling or purpose on our lives, and we are here to serve. There are times when, for example, in this, I've been creating and writing books and creating a heart scan process. And my desire is to reach far and wide.
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And so right now I'm in a place where I'm just seeking for assistance with connecting with those whose heart has been broken open and to help them on their journey. So that's where I am right now. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to do a heart scan surrounding abundance. So not just about financial abundance, but the abundance of attracting those into my life, whose heart is in need of what I've been gifted with. So that's why I'm going to focus on the abundance portion. So the first part is the layer of love. And so when I'm doing the heart skin, I have the individual to connect with their heart and to communicate with their heart throughout the whole process. So the first step is for me to identify what is the layer of love that needs my attention surrounding my attracting those, the multitude of those who need assistance.
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So what I'm going to do is I already know my heart's name. My heart's name is Bell, and it's spelled B-E-L-L-E-L means God. So my heart is like B, the letter B-E-L-L-E, b God. It's like connects with the God that's within you, the source that dwells within you. So I put my hand on my heart and I say, Belle, what is the layer of love that needs my attention? So I created a heart skin card deck that is shaped like hearts. And so what I do is I have the 12 layers of love, and on one side there is the graphics and on the other side where we reveal the layer. So right now I'm putting my hand on my heart and I'm saying, Belle, what layer needs my attention right now surrounding attracting those who need what I've been gifted with to help them on an inner journey? So then I will allow Belle to reveal to me, either I can run my hand across the cards to see which one jumps out or just have a feeling.
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Okay? So Bell says that the layer of love that needs my attention is love, meaning the power. So Bell is saying, it is the power. My power needs my attention in terms of me, when I talk about the power, the power that has been given to me to create my reality bell is just like connect with the power of love, which is what you are the creative of your reality, regardless if you believe it or not. So be was like connect to your power and create what you choose. So the next thing, I put my hand on my heart and I said, be, what is blocking my creative power at this point? What is blocking my creative power? What is the emotional block? So Bell says, insecurity, worry, anxiety, and fear. That's what she's saying. So I'm a Guinea pig. I'm putting all my business out in the street, I putting all my business. So my heart is saying that you are worried and you're anxious.
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And that is true. I am anxious, like, okay, bill, I've been working on these books and online course and everything, and okay, where are the people? So Bill is says, you're just being anxious and you're worried. You're worried and you're anxious. And then the fear is the foundation of all of the emotional blocks. And love is a foundation of all of the layers of love. So the elements of the experience of the emotional block is worry, anxiety, and fear. So I'm the heart doctor, how am I in that space? But guess what? We all have a journey. And so you have to walk your talk, and I walk my talk and I follow the guidance of my heart. So now I'm getting ready to say, be, what's the call to action? What do I need? In what manner do I need to love myself in order to clear this insecurity of worry, anxiety, and fear right now? So let me see what Bell wants me to do. So Bell says, this is the first one that ever came out for me. Bell says, to make choices and decisions that are in alignment with who you are, what's important to you, and what resonates within your heart.
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That's what Belle just told me. I pulled the, I didn't look at any of the cards, but she is like saying, you need to make choices and decisions that are in alignment with who you are. So one of the things I was like, okay, well, if there's no one to serve, then what should I do? Should I go and just do the regular nine to five and just share my message with the people that I find myself working with or what? But be was like, no, no. So Bell is like, that's not who you are. That is not who you are. See, I'm telling you, she said, that is not who you are. Is that who you are? A person that's going to go and work a nine to five job? No. That is not who you are. What is important to you, who you are, and what is important. What is important to me is to serve humanity, to assist in restoring the power of love and the heart of humanity. That's what's important to me. And what resonates within my heart is sharing the message and doing heart scans. And anything, when I say that resonates within your heart is what makes your heart smile. Being interviewed by Julia right now is making my heart smile.
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So that's how the heart skin works. I take you on a journey. You ask a question of each layer. I mean each step, what's the layer of love that needs your attention? What's blocking that layer of love? And what is the call to action and what manner do you need to love yourself? So Bell is telling me to love myself by making choices and decisions based on who I know I am and what is important to me and what makes my heart smile. That's what she told me to do.
Julia Carmen (44:14):
I love it, Dr. Tracy. That is so beautiful. I'm glad you did that. Yeah, I would've been gone. You, I would've been like, yeah, okay.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (44:27):
Julia has left the building. Yeah, I was trying to
Julia Carmen (44:34):
Be like, oh, I love this. I truly, actually, I was trying to stay in my lane because I'm like, Ooh, this. Oh, this is so cool. Of course, people are going to get, get your goodies, heart
Dr. Tracey Johnson (44:50):
Scans. Yeah, your heart scan it. It would really help. It really does. And so if the session is for hour, but like I said, please go to open heart world.com and the popup, it'll pop up on the website immediately, and it's like a gift from my heart to yours, and then you just click on it, it'll download it. And I also have a online course that will be coming out soon, and if the listeners can just go click on the portion where it says, put your email address in there so that you can learn whenever that comes out. But the popup says, your heart is calling you. Click below to receive your turn emotional pain into unconditional love. Your four step guide, open your heart to receive. That is so
Julia Carmen (45:57):
Beautiful. One thing that you said in there, which is I find so valuable, is that you said walking your talk. And
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That is a challenge for a lot of us, for not a lot of us. But that's the thing that as I'm teaching or as I'm doing my work or whatever, I really have to be aware of what I call the moment of pause when I'm busy minded, when my whatever's showing up and I'm like, oh my gosh, because this is what it is for me. I have access to what most people don't like a lot in the nonphysical realm. I was born this way. I don't know what it feels like not to have God creator or all angels guides and so on. I don't know. And I do this one thing that always takes, I don't do it so much anymore, but when I was growing up there, because not a lot of people around me except for my mom was also my grandmother and so on.
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But that's a whole another thing, and that was that unconditional love of self, which was there. But I would get the info and then I would go, eh, you're talking about the alignment. I would go, man, I need to go do this over here, because that's what everybody else is doing. Again, this is my twenties, thirties, and so on in there. And then I would always go and my piece would go, where did you go? And I go, I dunno. Just follow this line. Yeah, just follow this line over here. That's the deal. And then when I started doing that, more often than not, folks would go, what are you doing? You know that in 2016, God said, move to Montana. I said, what? I said, oh, okay. And I did and pretty much knew nobody and blah, blah, blah. I was on a mission for something, whatever.
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And everybody, my family, everybody was, what are you doing? I said, I don't know. This is something to do. I didn't realize what a big thing that was. I just listen and I do. Yeah, but it's not that easy. You're talking about miha, really honest to goodness. Our heart is so I didn't realize, honest, the honest with you, the human heart is fragile. We need folks in our lives. We need humans in our lives to direct us back to ourselves because no matter how much we know on whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, it's like the surgeon, and we'll go back to the brain, perform brain surgery on themselves, and we need folks that can see us. And the first thing, I call it, the container of love. Your container has a container of unconditional love. I would feel totally safe moving into that container knowing you got me, you're not going to mess with me. You're not going to hurt me. You're not going to do something weird. And that's what I have built all my life in the school without walls. That's what I wanted, a container that where people felt comfortable to come in, that they know that I'm not going to direct them anywhere but back home to themselves. And that's what you're doing now. You're directing people back home to themselves through your work, through your service, through your word, your cards, the gift from my heart to yours. That is truth.
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This is amazing. I'm so happy and grateful and thankful that God found you for me to get the message out. Oh, for real, Mia, because this is something that is needed now. And this is the thing that is truth, not my truth. Again, working with folks that blah, blah, blah, right? There's a lot of ceremonies and things like that that folks say, well, Julie, we got to do it this way. I said, no, no. Check this out. Bring the old into the new and the new into the old. And that's what you're doing. Miha, unconditional love has been here since the beginning of time and space. That is a given, but people have been doing it kind of funky. They have been outside in for so long, especially our culture here. This country's only 200 years old. Duh. That's not old. And it's a consumer kind of a deal. Outside in, outside in, you are saying, no, come back home,
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Come to the truth, and you're bringing in unquote, the old of the new and the new into the old. It's like a rainbow. There you go. That's what I'm seeing. This amazing rainbow that has all these different, the primary colors, but you ever seen a rainbow? Every rainbow I have ever seen is embedded into my consciousness of all, because they are amazing. They're all the elements are there, right? Yeah. And that's what you're doing with folks. You're saying, come, come. I'm not taking anything away from you. You could keep whatever you want. You have free will. We're just going to allow it to be what it really is, and that's unconditional love of self. And then from there, you're going to have all the abundance you need and want. You'll be happy. My sister Deborah said, I want to be a thousandaire said right on mha, but we can't do this alone. And that's what you're about.
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What you're doing is you're assisting and being part of the healing of our hearts, miha. Your work's very important. Very important. It's not something it is individual, and that's what you're doing. You're being the Guinea pig. I felt you. I was like right there. I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. Again, I would've been gone. It would've not been. You would've just had to say, well, I got to close this up for Julia, and I'm getting off, and hopefully her recording will stop at some point. No, I'm serious. My students would tell you, I go in when somebody is working on me, I go in because if I feel safe, I'm there. If I don't trust me, I feel safe with you. Not yet. If I don't feel safe, I won't even, God wouldn't even brought you to me. He wouldn't have introduced us if I felt anywhere near unsafe about talking story with anybody. This time is precious. Our time together is precious. It's not. It's a gift.
Dr. Tracey Johnson (53:05):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (53:08):
Yes, it is. Yeah. So we could do this all day. I am just like, my heart is so full right now. Miha in such a good way just by being here with you and interviewing you, and I'm being in the same space. You folks that are listening, my heart feels so happy. It is smiling, totally smiling, and
Dr. Tracey Johnson (53:43):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (53:44):
Yeah. So I want to thank you for being on the show, Miha big time. And if there's anything you would like to share more, you're welcome to take as much time or little time as you need and want, because we love to hear from you. If there's something else you want to share,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (54:04):
Well, it is just send out love and light to help attract those who are in need of experiencing the power of love from the inside out. Because one of the things that's coming up in my heart, a scripture, like I said, I grew up in the church and it says, here I am Lord, send me.
Julia Carmen (54:33):
Oh God,
Dr. Tracey Johnson (54:34):
Yes. And so I've said that a long time ago, and so I'm just waiting for God to just show me the door to walk through. So if there's anything that I can do to collaborate with you and assisting in restoring the power of love and the heart of humanity, I know that's what you're calling is as well. Just let me know.
Julia Carmen (54:59):
Oh, amen. Amen. Thank you, mha, thank you for being on the show. It's my pleasure. Thanks so much for joining me today. I hope my conversation with Dr. Tracy connected with your heart today. We've included links to Dr. Tracy's website and free offerings in our show notes, so you can follow along and connect with her too. Yeah. For more conversations like this, be sure you're subscribed to the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast on your favorite podcast player. You'll find us on Apple Podcasts and over on Spotify and meet, of course on our website, the School Without wa.net. Visit our website to sign up for our newsletter. We have some exciting webinars and offerings coming later this year and in early 2025. Woo Chi Wow 2025 and getting onto our email list is the best way to keep up with everything happening. Sign up today at the School Without Walls net. Thanks for joining us.
