#64 - Phasmophobia Mania

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You're listening to episode sixty four of GameSpot after Dark.
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This week, we're joined by Cirio Vasquez to talk about amnesia, rebirth, hades,
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and fasmophobia. Hello and welcome to episode sixty four of
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game Spot after Dark. I'm your host Jake Decker, and
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joining me this week is Lucy James Ay, Kelly Plaguey Hello,
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and Sirial Vasquez. Hello. Thank you so much for joining us.
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I'm glad to be here.
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Before we get into what we've been playing, we like
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to do the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment, but Up Up,
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Up Christ, that's our little song. So basically, this is
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just an opportunity for you to tell our listeners a
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little bit about yourself. What kind of games you like
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to play, what games you come back to, what are
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some of your favorite games. In fact, it doesn't even
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have to be about games, if there's other stuff you
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want to talk about, and maybe a little bit about
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how you got into the industry and whatnot.
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Yeah, so I've been kind of writing kind of back
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and forth. I was a former gaming former associate editor,
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but I've been doing you know, freelance basically before and
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after just writing about you know, random video games, but
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a lot of it is just like I end up
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falling down like a lot of fighting game and DODA
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stuff because I a lot of people weren't covering that
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at the time, So you know, I have like almost
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four thousand hours of DODA logged at this point.
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So that was mostly.
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Launched my career in a way because it was no
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one was writing about DODA, and it was like kind
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of a lot of people saw it as, oh, you
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know esports, right, you can write about esports. That's popular.
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So that's kind of how I got my foot in
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the door. So yeah, then I started writing about fighting
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games as well, but I'm more mostly like an action
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heavy kind of guy. But it's also weird because like
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every once in a while I'll sneak in like a
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really cool, like story based game, like right now, I
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think Kentucky About Zero is probably my favorite game this year.
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And then.
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So every once in a while and like this School
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Easim I really like last year. So it's kind of
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a mix between like really like really intense games. I
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like games that are like all about story or all
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about action in a way. So that's sort of where
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I'm at. Like a lot of dark soul stuff I'm
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really into. So that's sort of where I'm at.
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Well, this is a disco Elysium podcast. I would say
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at least it was last year, because that's like all
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we talked about every episode.
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Yeah, that game's great. I love it.
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You're also a frequent host on mid max too, right, Yeah.
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Yeah, I do a podcast over at mid Max, So
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we do a podcast every week, and we do some
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streams as well, So I talk about games on there
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as well, So you can find me there at YouTube
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dot com slash mid Max Show I believe is the
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u r L. Or to support us on Patreon because
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we're in independent media, So Patreon dot com slash Midmax
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I believe is the u r L.
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Hell yeah, and you've been doing some reviews for us,
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which we'll touch on later in the what we've been
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playing section? Actually, why don't we just start with you
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what you've what have you been playing? Cereal?
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Yeah, so I'm still playing Hades.
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Several weeks later, I'm at a well, the Epic Game
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Store thing doesn't count ours directly, it just says days,
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and I'm at like five days worth of because like,
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I think that game does such a fantastic job of
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doling out rewards and having all these like quests basically
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like they're cult prophecies where it's like, oh, do you
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like get every boot, every like upgrade for every weapon,
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you know, every randomized buff that you can get. And
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so I've been kind of picking away at those, and
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some of the relationships with like the different gods and
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stuff are take a little while to figure out, so
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I've been I've been doing a lot of that. And
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there's also like the heat system, which if you've played
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say the Spires, kind of similar where you can apply
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different kind of difficulty modifiers and so and that applies
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like one heat per modifier, and so I'm at like
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around fifteen sixteen heat at this point with each of
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the weapons. And so I've been kind of slowly built
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making the runs harder and harder, and still you know,
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getting upgrades and stuff. So that game has a long
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tail for a single player game, which I'm really excited about.
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It seems like it people are so into it on Twitter.
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I haven't had a chance to play as much as
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i'd like, but what I played was very, very good.
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You mentioned that Kentucky Route Zero was your favorite game,
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so far this year. However, it sounds like you've played
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a ton of Hades. Yeah, are they like pretty neck
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and neck? You'd say, yeah.
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I oscillate between like which one I like more, because
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clearly I have more time in Hades, But it's you know,
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Kentucky Rad zero is not.
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A long tail game. You know, you can't just like,
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you know, play that over and over again.
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But I am considering I've played it basically one and
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a half times at this point because I played the
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episodes as they came out until episode four of Kentucky
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Rod zero, and then I played the whole game again
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when it came out on Switch, and I'm kind of
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thinking about okay, am I just kind of applying like
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roastented glasses to that game because it hit me in
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a really good moment and it was like right before
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the pandemic, so it was like kind of like the
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last like I really enjoy that. I'm really happy right now.
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I'm having a lot of fun because that was also
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like I went to Japan earlier this year, and that
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was like on the edges of that where I played
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it before and after my trip, so I was like, ah,
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I was kind of maybe on the high of of
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going you know, traveling abroad. So I do want to
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play it again. But that game, I think still is incredible.
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I love it totally. I didn't finish it. I still
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plan on going back and finishing it, but the music
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was so good.
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Yeah, and it's it was so fun to see I
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guess the fictional band in that game, June Bug, ended
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up releasing an album, I think earlier this month, I
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think where Yeah, and the single was like the big
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song that they have in the game, but they also
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had a bunch of other like weird ambient song cause
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that's that game is a lot of ambient music that
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is really good.
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But they had like a whole music video for for.
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Like one of their songs, because I think part of
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it is that, like they're this weird concept group.
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But yeah, I've been like that. That music. I've been
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enjoying all year, you know.
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In a way, which is maybe the closest thing to
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like having played one hundred hours of Hades, is I've
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been listening and thinking about Kentucky Road Zero basically all year.
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I am going to listen to that album after this podcast,
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for sure, because I remember playing it and there's that
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one scene early on where you're I think exploring a
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house or something like that, and the cameras zooms out
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and there's that band playing. Yeah. I thought it was
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just like an incredible moment.
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Yeah.
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So the soundtrack is on Spotify and then the Junebug
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EP is on band camp, so you can listen to
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both of those basically.
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Nice. And then you said you've also been playing a
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bit of Amnesia.
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Too, right, Yeah, the new one, the Rebirth, which came
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out I believe this week, right, which, Yeah, I've been
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enjoying that as well. I've been a big fan of Friginal.
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I liked Amnesia, and then I really like So. I
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think Soma is amazing. I think it's one of my
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favorite sci fi stories in games because of the way
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that it uses gameplay basically to tell like an AI
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centric story about like consciousness and things like that. And
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this feels very similar in tone in that there are
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monsters and stuff, but kind of the the key takeaways
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are like story beats of like, you know, you are
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this person who's crash landed in the middle of Africa
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and you're trying to find your way to your group,
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but you know, there there's this mystical element to it,
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but you're also you find out very early on, so
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I don't think this is like a spoiler or anything
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that you're that you're pregnant. Uh, and so you're like
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it's a game about motherhood very explicitly, which is which
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is pretty rare, and like, I think it ends up
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leading you to these very interesting like moral quandaries about Okay, well,
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if you were in this situation, what would you do?
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And it's it's like one of the legitimately like, well,
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I feel like the right answer is this, but you know,
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if I were actually in this situation, I would maybe
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lean towards the kind of like the the less you know,
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altruistic option.
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So there's a lot of interesting questions that it asks.
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I don't think it's as good as some I think
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some of the monstery parts aren't as interesting. And I'm
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kind of surprised that they don't have the what they
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added to Soma post launch, which like the all the
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like it basically gets rid of the monsters, like they're
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still walking around, but you can't you can't like interact
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like they won't hurt you. I'm surprised that isn't here,
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But maybe the latter at some point, But yeah, I
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was really impressed with it, and I'm I'm glad to
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see that Frictional is able to do games like this.
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So would you consider Amnesia a sad mom game?
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A little?
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I mean, yeah, it's it's the the opening scenes of
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that game are just her talking about like vaguely, like
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you don't know what it's referring to about, like how
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kind of you know this thing like some event has
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ended up hurting her, like very deeply in how you
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don't ever really recover, you just kind of change as
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a person.
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And that felt pretty relatable.
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I know that there's kind of a trope of like,
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whenever a game is about woman, it's always about their trauma,
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but this feels this feels like it's approaching that topic
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with some nuance, and her being the main character I
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think also helps a lot.
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And she's like a voice character. It's not like you
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are this person it is.
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She has a lot of voice lens in the game,
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which I don't know if it's gonna I know some
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people don't like that, but I like it when I'm
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playing someone who is different and I'm kind of seeing.
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The world through their eyes. Versus this person is me.
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Yeah, I definitely prefer voice protagonists. In our Amnesia Rebirth review,
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Phil Hornshaw did call it a mom game.
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He said it was unabashedly a mom game, and that
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was like.
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Sold, because you really don't get a lot of those,
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you really, I've played plenty of dad games, so I'm
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very curious. I haven't played the previous Amnesia games though,
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or some Actually I kind of want to play someone
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now after hearing you talk about it.
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Yeah, like you don't.
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You really only need to play the Dark Descent to
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play Rebirth, Like there are some kind of references, but
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even then, if you haven't played Amnesia, I think the
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game just does a good job of being set in
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that world without kind of being about the stuff that happened.
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It's just like, oh, you'll catch a reference in like
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a diary to a character from the Dark Descent. But
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I don't think you need to play it. But yeah,
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that's the only one, because a Machine for Pig isn't
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like relevant to this story. It's kind of its own
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thing and so much pretty standalone.
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Wasn't Machine for Pigs also not developed by Frictional Games,
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or at least not the core team that did Soma
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and the original Amnesia.
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I believe it was written by the Chinese room, which
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who did Dear Esther. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I think
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like all of those games. I think, like starting with
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MUG because I know they made like Panumbra, I think
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was the games they made before that. I haven't played those,
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but starting from MG, I think Frictional has a pretty
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strong track record, so I think all of their games
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are pretty good.
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Nice. I definitely want to check it out. I have
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not finished any of those games, however, I've enjoyed all
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of them, but so many. In particular is one that
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I've been meaning to get back to and finish because
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that setting I thought was excellent. I mean, they're always
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good at creating dark and scary atmospheres. But yeah, I'm
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excited to check it out. Lucy, you've been watching more
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bake Off. How's that going?
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Bacoff remains the light of twenty twenty, That's how that's going.
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I mean, I was gonna say, like, the.
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Only game I've been playing is I played twenty something
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hours of Persona five Royal in a week. Hell yeah,
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I'm in Like, well, it's because now it's all new stuff.
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For me.
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Yeah, wow, So what hour are you at?
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I guess, like when did the new stuff start rolling out?
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Because I'm curious when that'll be. So I'm at.
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Fifty five hours. I got the broken There is a
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there is a fight.
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In that game that is fully broken, and like the
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only way to get past it is you have to
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play on merciless difficulty. So I was like, I was
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the perfect level for this boss fight, Like I was
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the same level as the boss, which usually for the
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rest of Royal is completely fine. You can actually do stuff,
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mostly being under leveled, but this boss fight requires you
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to knock down like four enemies in one go in
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one turn and if you don't, no in two turns sorry,
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are left run away and then it starts again, so
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you can get caught in this loop if you if
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you know, like we're bad on Maboufu.
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It's a margarula.
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You don't have wind and so even though I had
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more Gana and my party, even though I had Joker
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with a wind persona, like, it just didn't because it's
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meant to be the fight that promotes you using baton
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pass and the only way to do it.
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Is to do un merciless difficulty.
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If you get in that weird stuck loop that I
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was in and I was so I did that, and
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I was like, that's a.
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Bit of shit.
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But so I'm at fifty five hours now, I'm still
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at the.
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Like it's it's still a palace from the main game,
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but they've the introduction of all the new characters. I've
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just had a new sequence with the school dance that
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maybe wasn't done as elegantly as I'd hoped, because it's
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meant to be like this, this part in the story
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that you go with the new character consue me and
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so she invites you to go to this dance and
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then you're like, oh, the dances finished, I better go home,
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And then you get a text from Haru that says, hey,
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the dancers just started.
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Let's go.
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Oh weird.
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But still very good. But bakeoff Al also played some
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Ghost of Sushima Legends, which is very fun. Did you
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play with a friend of the podcast, Andrew Goldford?
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I did not.
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I played with friend of the podcast Zach Ryan and
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Kristin Vandier and Josh Do we did. We did a
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couple and it's really fun. And also I'm not one
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for a destiny type luke grind, but the way that
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it's a very similar approach in ghost but I found
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it very very fun. I'm obviously maning an archer because
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that is my yeah, but bakeoff very quick one bake
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off update.
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This is your bake off in it Jesus Christ. The
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first the first. So I'm not gonna spoil who went
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or anything, but.
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The fact that the first challenge from last week was
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making brownies, and every single one of them biffed it, right,
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every single one of them biffed it because they all
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tried to go like, way too complicated with it. They
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could have just done standard brownies and it would have
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been fine. Some of them were undercooked. One of them
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had figs on, which looked interesting. I've become a real
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backseat babe.
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Bit stargy bit stargy bit. One of them was just
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fully undercooked. It just looked like liquid.
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Was the person who put figs? Is that how they
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biffed it? They said no figs in brownies under no circumstances.
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No, that wasn't even a biff. It was just I
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think I can't remember for theirs did they do gluten free?
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That's the glute. It's the gluten free guy. And so
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my I used to live with someone who was gluten free,
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and gluten free flower is just really difficult to work
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with because it's obviously doesn't have gluten in it, so
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it's like some of the stuff is frequently quite dry.
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You have to really adapt your cooking to make up
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for the dryness of it. I'm speaking, I'm talking out
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my ass because I'm a terrible cook, but that's all
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my experience with gluten free. But no, bakof was really good.
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And also, I mean my picks are the two marks
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I love. I love the marks Mark with a Sea,
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who is a kearr and in my eyes an srang
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human being. And Mark with a k who is like
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just bizarrely well traveled, like he is a very international
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man anyway mystery.
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No, it's quite like.
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He's not very mysterious.
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He just like knows stuff about like tribes in Africa
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and brings that into his cooking and stuff.
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It's very good anyway, that's bakeoff well.
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Kelly and I have both been playing a lot of
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fasmophobia with Matt Paget and the great Peter Brown.
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Oh, yes, it has been quite the time. Have we
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talked about fastmophobia on the podcast yet we have?
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We haven't. I'm excited to talk about it because I've
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been having a ton of fun with it. It's janky,
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it's buggy. It makes a lot of people sick as well,
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because including Lucy. But there's something about it.
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We should say it's an early excess, so the jankiness
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is part of the course. But yeah, the I've gotten
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pretty motion sick playing. We were playing the other night
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and I died, and I when you die, you go
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into like ghost World and you can walk around and like.
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See stuff, and sometimes you can see the ghost that's haunting.
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You, but you can't like interact with your team if
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you're using like in game chat, and so I was
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just walking around ghost World. And then after we finished
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that game, I was like, guys, I need to go.
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Oh I don't, I can't do this. And I was
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at a commission for like half an hour. I had
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to lie down and then I rejoined and it was
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like Peter's last game, and I was like, well, nice
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playing with you for one game.
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I'm ready to play an.
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I guess we should talk about what Fasmophobia is for
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the people listening may not know, but it's basically a
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ghost hunting game, except you don't really hunt the ghost.
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You just need to figure out what ghost is haunting
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the building that you're infiltrating, I guess, And you have
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a bunch of tools that you can use to help
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you find clues. Once you find three clues, you mark
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them in your journal and you'll know what ghost it is.
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And then you even get paid and you can level
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up by new gear and so on. I think what
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makes it so good is how well it works with
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friends and how the scares are pretty unpredictable. I won't
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say it's the scariest game I've played. It's probably nowhere
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near that, just because it's kind of cheesy and it
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gets away with like a lot of jump scares and stuff.
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But the way it works to the team, in the
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way it's so unpredictable, makes it incredibly addicting.
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Yeah, the like we've definitely gotten scared, like totally. Maybe
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you spend like the first like five or ten minutes
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like setting up like setting up a camera so you
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can view stuff for like sweeping the house, because you
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have all these tools that it's really interesting the way
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the tools work. It's not really like in a video
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game sense, like the tools that you have just kind
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of work the way they would in real life. So
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there's like a remote that's like an EMF reader and
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it reads like EMF traces and you just walk around
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the house until the beeps and you're like the ghost
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is nearby, and that's when you start setting up your gear.
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And it's like Matt Pagett was like he and I
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watched The Conjuring together over like Zoom or will Discord
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because he had never seen it, and I love The Conjuring,
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so I was like, let's watch it. So when Fasmophobia
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like started getting attention, he was like, Kelly, we're gonna
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play ed Lorraine Warren and we're gonna hunt some ghosts.
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So I like setting up the camera because it's like
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in The Conjuring, but like last night, like just to
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because like Jake said, like some of the ghosts look
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kind of like cheesy or whatever, but the way the
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hauntings happen is what gets really exciting. Like we were
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just waiting around, we were in this house and we
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had had a really hard night, like not telling we
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were like having a really hard time telling what ghosts
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were around. We were not getting evidence very easily. We're
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playing on harder difficulties than we usually do. And I
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was just getting impatient, and everybody else was in the
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truck outside the house, They're like safe, and I was like,
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I was just gonna go in and see if I
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can get anything. And like the second I came, went in,
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the door locks behind me, and I see the ghost
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walking and I was trying to get photos of it.
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So I'm like snapping photos and like shaking, and I
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can hear Matt Pagett outside being.
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Like Cali, hide in the closet, Hide in the closet.
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It's coming.
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So I ran to the closet and I just turned
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my flashlight off and I sat there and like they're
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waiting outside. They can't tell if I've died or not,
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because walkie talkies don't work when this is happening, so
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they're just like waiting outside, like maybe Kelly's dead.
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Maybe she's dead. And I'm sitting in the cloak. Oh God,
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I can hear it moving outside and so but it
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was just like this weird. It looks like a thing
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made of like Plato or something like.
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It was just like, yeah, it was like that little
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child looking ghost.
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Like tiny little baby ghost walking around, but like the
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atmosphere of it all and like everybody freaking out and
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I can hear them through the walls being like, don't move, Kelly,
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and so that that makes it like really fun and exciting.
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And then I also I tweeted about this, but I
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I laughed, and Matt.
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Was like, oh my god, did you guys hear that ghost?
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And I was like, no, that's just me. That's just
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me because I have a witch laugh.
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To be fair, it was because the how the proximity
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chat works and just how proximity chat works, Like we
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were very far uh and Callie had laughed, but they
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were so far away that they just heard a faint
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laugh in the distance.
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We were playing.
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So I played on Sunday with Tam and our friend
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Andy and we were just in Discord, so we didn't
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have the proximity stuff going on.
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Because it was my first game, and I had the
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little radio. I think, oh no, the spirit box.
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Yeah, Jean won't use that, won't take it. It scares
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him too much as well.
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It's my first game and I am given this, and
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then there's a point where I had to play, like
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I turned all of my lights off, I closed my blinds,
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I did the full thing. And then we get to
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a bit we're near a piano. Someone starts talking through
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the thing and they go, oh, okay, well, in order
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to do this, Lucy, we're gonna have to leave you
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in here with all the lights off.
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They leave, and I don't even know what it was,
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but it spooked me so bad. It's like, guys, I
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want to leave.
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How do I run?
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And they're like, oh, shift or whatever, and I was like,
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it's this ship.
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Yeah, it does nothing.
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It does barely anything. It's just a power walk.
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The spirit box is so like for context, it's like
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a way to like channel the spirit and it's one
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of the tools you use to get evidence. And yeah,
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the person who uses it has to be alone in
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the room with all the lights off, and you have
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to go like, can you hear us? Where your friends
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give us a sign? And then the ghost will like
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play the piano or something and you're like by yourself, or.
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It'll just say kill on the speaker and it's.
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Like is there?
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It is?
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And everyone hears it too, and they're like we heard it.
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We heard it, put it in your journal, Put in
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your journal, Let's get out of here.
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Yeah, it only says like one word through the spirit box,
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and it's always like at teck like in this like
487
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horrible like robot.
488
00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.839
But yeah, I'm I'm I'm having a blast with that game.
489
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I'm curious to see how long I'll stick with it
490
00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.279
because I think Steam artists I've played twenty hours, which
491
00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.880
is far more than I already exped Yeah, we started
492
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put last week. I know I've been playing a lot,
493
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.240
but like, I'm excited to see what they do with
494
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it because I feel like there should be more tools
495
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that give you evidence, especially on the tougher difficulties, because
496
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.119
there are a lot of tools you can buy that
497
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:16.400
kind of don't really serve much of a purpose apart
498
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from just giving you more information about where the ghost
499
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might be. And then I also am eagerly awaiting more
500
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maps because we've played them all by now at least
501
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.680
six or seven times, and it works because the ghost
502
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.559
is always in a different room. You're dealing with a
503
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.160
different ghost. Like it's still pretty unpredictable, but like loading
504
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.559
into that cabin for like the twentieth time is like,
505
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:43.039
all right, I know how this cabin works. I've explored it,
506
00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.359
I know where to go, I know where to hide,
507
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:46.960
and it kind of takes some of the edge off
508
00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.559
I would say, which, which you know, is not what
509
00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:51.640
I want in a horror game.
510
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.519
Yeah, hearing people talk about fast and Phobia is kind
511
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:56.799
of cool because like it feels like this weird emergent
512
00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.839
horror game where everyone's kind of making their own scares
513
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.440
kind of. It also kind of reminds me of the
514
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.279
uh the Vine where they're talking about, like where they're
515
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.880
all around a wiki board and they're like, what's your name?
516
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.160
And it slides over to and everyone starts fighting each
517
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.440
other because like I guess they just.
518
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.359
Yeah, that's one of my all time favorite vines. I
519
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.799
love that vine so much. There are Oigi boards in
520
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.319
this game, but you don't bring them with you. Sometimes
521
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.440
you find them in the house. We actually had a
522
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.599
horrific time with one of the Oigi boards because there's
523
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.559
like a sanity meter in Fasmophobia, and like using it
524
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.559
drops your sanity like really rapidly, and like the lesser
525
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.319
demon unless it's a demon, but the lower your sanity gets,
526
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.759
like the more the ghost will like bother you. But
527
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.079
we were like over the Ouiji board and it was
528
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.079
like in this weird It was just like in a
529
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.720
laundry room. So we're all crowded around this Swuiji board
530
00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:52.920
in like a really small room and we're like how
531
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.000
old are you? And it goes too it's fourteen and
532
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.000
we were like, oh god.
533
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And then matt Us, where are you? And it spills
534
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.880
out foyer and Jake's.
535
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:05.160
Like where is that?
536
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.079
All the all the boys are like where is that?
537
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.960
Where's that was like the entrance of the.
538
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.759
House, like what's a foyer?
539
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.480
What would you do without me?
540
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.960
But the ghost showed up like in the laundry room
541
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.359
and we all were like get out of here.
542
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:19.880
Oh god.
543
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.440
So yeah, just in conclusion, it's a lot of fun
544
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.240
and I enjoyed a lot. And I like proximity Chat
545
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:27.960
because it's pushed to talk so you guys can't hear
546
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.640
my horrible horse noise that I make when I get scared.
547
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.720
One other thing I do want to mention is that
548
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.880
the character animations are kind of busted, and that like
549
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.880
when you look down, your whole torso goes down, and
550
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.039
when you look up, your whole torso goes back and
551
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.559
it is. It might be one of the scariest things
552
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.839
in the game, but it is. It makes for some
553
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.039
good laughs, like if you look up and crouch. I
554
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.119
don't know, at the very least, like if you're too
555
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.079
afraid to play it, loaded up with a friend and
556
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.480
just look at that because it is.
557
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.279
Yeah, we like ease each other, like where the girl
558
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.559
from the Exorcists going down the stairs. Oh. Another thing
559
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.839
that we should mention is that the tutorial is horrible.
560
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.599
The titorial is so bad we couldn't figure it out. Like, like,
561
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.160
just be patient if you're playing it for the first time,
562
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.440
like go through this tutorial because it does introduce you
563
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.119
to like the key tools, but like it's not gonna
564
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:22.960
it's not great.
565
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.960
You're just gonna have to do some trial and error.
566
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:26.119
Yeah.
567
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:27.880
I do have a video that I'm working on that
568
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.000
should hopefully help you out on that end.
569
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.039
But I worked on the article version and.
570
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.000
Keli worked on the article, which is that up now?
571
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.880
Yeah okay, so yeah, check that out if you wanna,
572
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.079
if you want to give it a shot, because that
573
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will help a lot.
574
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.680
The last thing I wanted to mention is that the
575
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.160
Pokemon the second DC for Sword and Shield Crown Tenders
576
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.400
out today as of this recording, so I'm gonna be
577
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.480
playing that and checking that out as as you might
578
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:56.240
have expected of me, So I'll hope come on, I'll
579
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.519
have more later.
580
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:08.480
All right. Well, with that, we'll head onto topics. And
581
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.160
moving on to topics for this week, the first one
582
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.359
that we're going to talk about is AOC streams among us. Callie,
583
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.039
you were very excited. You watched a lot of it.
584
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.680
I watched a good amount too, but you were very
585
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:20.160
into it.
586
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.440
I yeah, I like almost didn't watch it. I was
587
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.519
kind of like, because I've been so disillusioned with everything
588
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.960
and just sad all the time, and I was kind
589
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.720
of like, what if I just didn't And then.
590
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.240
I was like, no, no, no, no, I'll watch it. I'll
591
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:35.799
give it a shot.
592
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:41.880
And I actually found her really like genuine and charming,
593
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.680
not that like I didn't think she would be, but
594
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.720
like I was more delighted by it than I thought
595
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.039
I would be. It was kind of like, oh, a
596
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:54.319
politician who actually, like who isn't doing this just as
597
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:59.000
a ploy, but like actually understands this world.
598
00:27:59.079 --> 00:27:59.960
More than most.
599
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.880
And Michael Hyam wrote a really good article about this, Like,
600
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:06.839
you know, it's not something that I would want to
601
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.359
see basically any other politician do, but it works for
602
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.440
her because I mean she's established that she is interested
603
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.319
in video games. She's talked about playing League Donkey hung
604
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.799
sixty four with Yeah, with h mom Er guy, So
605
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.480
it just felt like a natural extension of that. She
606
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.359
also does a lot of stuff on Instagram Live and
607
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.440
so that's very streaming adjacent. And I just like it
608
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:31.720
was like the first time in a really long time
609
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.319
where I was like, oh my god, I think this
610
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.319
is what it's like to not have depression. I was
611
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.039
like really just really psyched and like having a great time.
612
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.119
And when she was like I hate being the impostor.
613
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:44.599
I don't want to be the imposter, I was like,
614
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.079
that's me. And then she got the impostor and I
615
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.079
was like no, Like I was just I was like
616
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:51.160
right there with her the whole time, like, no, girl,
617
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.319
you can do it. She's playing with all these people
618
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.839
who have a ton of experience in the game. I
619
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.799
also was very delighted by ilhan Omar like being like
620
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.640
I don't know how to play and then like subsequently
621
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:08.039
killing like everybody that rig as well the rising, so
622
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.160
there was some confusion about that.
623
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.640
It wasn't actually it's not her PC.
624
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.720
It's for her like communications directors, I think, but posting
625
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:16.799
the specs, I was like.
626
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.599
That PC is like leagues ahead of my PC. I
627
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.240
need a new one.
628
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.480
And it was also really cool like when her daughter joined,
629
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.880
because her daughter like knew what the fuck was up.
630
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.880
And when Corpse joined, that was like a whole thing.
631
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:35.519
I didn't I was not ready for that. When he called,
632
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.480
he called a meeting and he was like AOC, like
633
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.200
in a super deep voice, and she was like what,
634
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.160
I didn't do anything, and he's.
635
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.279
Like, how's your day?
636
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:50.000
And everybody was just like I just oh, it was
637
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:51.759
so nice to feel joy for once.
638
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.839
I really I really.
639
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.680
Can't emphasize enough like it was just kind of it
640
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.440
was like, Wow, somebody who kind of understands the world
641
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.039
that I'm in. Not that I'm like we need a
642
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:11.200
gamer president, but like just he's already running, yeah, Ace
643
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.000
Watkins or whatever, Yeah, Like that's that's not what I mean.
644
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.240
I just mean like, like, this is someone who can
645
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.400
like say what she feels. The whole point was like
646
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.400
to talk about voting. She was like making fun of
647
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.640
the like combustion engine on the ship, which like I
648
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.319
had never thought about, but I liked that a lot.
649
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.200
She had like her Green New Deal posters in the background.
650
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.920
I just found it very like, very very good, and
651
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.640
I'm not articulating it well at all, but I came
652
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.640
cracking right back down to Earth the next day.
653
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.839
Yeah, it was just nice to see someone who like,
654
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.839
hopefully that this is like a new generation of politicians
655
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:47.400
where they don't have to meet with their staff to
656
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.240
ask what a Facebook is, you know, because you were like,
657
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:51.799
if you think back to the other big kind of
658
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.119
convergence of tech and politics, it was like those those
659
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.359
meetings that Facebook and Google had about like, you know,
660
00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.880
are you destroying America? And they're like we run ads
661
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.359
like and like how much those meetings centered on what
662
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.640
Facebook was and them understanding that, I think, even being
663
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.920
able to start that conversation from like Okay, I know
664
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.079
you're not gonna, you know, pull the wool over us
665
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.799
because we understand what you're doing, and seeing someone like
666
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.400
AOC like in Congress, as someone who understands that stuff
667
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.319
and that this is like another outlet for that, like
668
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.000
she understands, she understands like what is happening in tech
669
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.480
more so than a lot of politicians, and in a
670
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.279
way that feels more genuine than like if someone much
671
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.160
older were to have done that. So that was nice
672
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.240
to see that. It's like there's some bit of comfort
673
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.640
in that there's that headline.
674
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.960
Well, there's lots of headlines with Rudy Giuliani in it
675
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.880
right now, but there was that headline saying that Rudy
676
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:43.920
Giuliani owns three phones and doesn't know how to use
677
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.799
any of them, according to like his staffers or something
678
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.039
like that. And I think I saw it right after
679
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.880
I was watching AOC stream and it was like, yeah,
680
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.559
I think I'm tired of these kind of politicians.
681
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.559
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of conversations
682
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.079
happening right now about the age of our politicians. And
683
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.880
you know, I don't think age necessarily precludes anyone from anything,
684
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.319
but like the average age of an American is like,
685
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.559
I think, like thirty seven or something, in the average
686
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.920
age of our politicians is like seventy or whatever, and
687
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.720
you have there's a big disconnect because technology evolves so
688
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.519
rapidly that there's a lot of things that we can
689
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.599
keep up with that you know, they just can't, and
690
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.640
it's very discouraging when people feel that out of touch
691
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.440
and you look at like we were talking to Matt Paget,
692
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.359
who's Canadian, and we were like, are your politicians like
693
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.079
ninety how old are How.
694
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.440
Old are the people who run your country? And he
695
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.839
was like, I don't know, like forty were.
696
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.319
Like, oh no, like fifty, well, I mean Bars is
697
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.599
in his fifties. But then like the rest of Parliament
698
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:45.799
and public sixty plus.
699
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:46.359
Yeah.
700
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:51.000
And you know, another thing about the streaming platform or
701
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.640
not streaming platform, but like format, is that you do
702
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.720
get to see how somebody reacts in an unfamiliar situation,
703
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.200
because you know, she hadn't really played much among us,
704
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.240
and she adapted so quickly, and when they were talking
705
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.400
about like, oh, AOC doesn't know how to vent, it
706
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.240
couldn't have been AOC. And then she was like, I
707
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.240
got to learn how to vent because they won't suspect me.
708
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.480
And then she like figured it out watching her do
709
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.759
the task like she was doing, like the difficult tasks
710
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.759
like in one go very naturally, and it's just nice
711
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.559
to see someone adapting on the fly like that, being
712
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.319
comfortable in a new situation, being comfortable like with experts,
713
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:30.960
like she's an expert in what she does and they're
714
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.839
an expert in this thing that she's doing right now,
715
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.960
and she didn't seem intimidated. So I find all of
716
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.920
those qualities really admirable. And yeah, I was just like
717
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:46.160
over the moon. I was like, I I.
718
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.200
For once, I don't want to move to another country.
719
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:49.319
That's nice.
720
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:51.880
Lucy, did you watch it at all or did you
721
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:52.880
just catch highlights?
722
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:54.200
I just caught highlights.
723
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.160
For me, I have a lot of anxiety around the
724
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.319
election in general, because as a person who is here
725
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.799
on a visa and can't vote, it's a yeah, it's.
726
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.440
Very anxiety inducing. But I did. I basically watched all
727
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.880
the Corps highlights. No, everything I saw from OOC.
728
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.719
She just seemed really, really wonderful and just like like
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Kelly was saying, like someone who's relatable in a position
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of power, which is something that's quite rare. Yeah, just
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a quick aside on Corpse. I The thing is I
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hope that she looked up who he is.
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Well he's messaged her or he he tweeted her like
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if AOC follows me back, you know, and she replied,
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so maybe basically the corpse. Corpse is basically just like
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a dude who reads like spooky stories and stuff on YouTube.
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But he has a really really deep voice that is
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just like it's captivating. Is the only what I could
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really describe as.
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Like when he joined the server, AOC like like you
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could see it in her face. She was like, what
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is this man's voice?
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He joined TikTok and all of the girls. He uploaded
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a video of his hand and I don't even think
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he said anything, and TikTok just exploded.
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Gets like one point five million lights. It's it's just
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it's a song he wrote about girls and that's playing
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over the footage of his goth ass hand. It was
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like bracelets and rings and stuff, and yeah, people really
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lost it. So that was an interesting twist, an interesting wrinkle.
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Next big thing we have here is well, I don't
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know if it's big, but a lot of people are
753
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talking about it right now. Is Tom Holland. Is we
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finally got a photo of Tom Holland in the Uncharted movie.
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He's wearing a brown shirt. I have not cared about
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this Uncharted movie since, like I don't know, twenty fifteen
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or whenever. I don't know what's going on.
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I didn't even know this happened.
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Yeah, they're on like this second to last day of shooting.
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I didn't even realize it was in full production. I guess,
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I guess I heard that they were.
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But it just seems so weird to me that people
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are even shooting things at all right now. I think
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the only movie who's shooting schedule I've been keeping up
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with it's been The Batman, just because of the chaotic
766
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energy of Robert Banks. I mean honestly, like, I'll watch it,
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but I feel like it's gonna be one of those
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movies where it'll be written by one person and then
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an ampersand with two people, and then they'll be an
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and written all out. It's like just rewrites on rewrites
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on rewrites, and like, I find it very funny that
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originally Marky Mark was supposed to be Drake and now
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he's playing Sully. I guess this film has been in development.
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I don't I don't know what like most of those
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words mean. I've never played Uncharted, and I I really
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I just don't care.
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So you should play like a Lost Legacy, because that
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is two badass bitches just searching for treasure and actually
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00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.199
having conversations. It struck me when I played Lost Legacy,
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it was like the way that they have a conversation,
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it feels like an actual conversation that women would have
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and not a conversation that men feel like women would have.
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It's very good and also Claudia Black is phenomenal serial
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Do you have any interest in this uncharted movie?
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It's more it's mostly martageous to see what happens because
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I'm actually like, I'm a pretty big Tom Tom Holland fan,
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but so I'm curious to see how what he brings
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to the role, like it is being pissed as like
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he's like a young Nathan Drake, right, this is supposed
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to be like an origin story kind of thing.
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So I'm curious to see what they do.
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And I'm like interested in seeing what not a dog
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kind of like what their role is in this because
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i feel like they're much more involved with the Last
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of Us show that HBO is producing, which I think
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is still happening. So I'm wondering I'm curious about, like
797
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what is the difference between like them working with a
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major studio about like, Okay, here's what we like, here's
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what you can kind of play fast and loose with,
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and here's what we have to have in a non
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charted movie. And how when you know Neil Druckman, who
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I think he's more directly involved in the show the
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Last of a Show, I'm curious to see what the
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difference between those two things are because they are probably
805
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going to come out pretty close to each other, maybe
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like a year or two apart, just to see what,
807
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like the studio production is. But it's weird to see,
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you know, this comfortble circle is like, here's a movie
809
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based on a game that isn't like in large part
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00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.840
inspired by movies to see like, okay, does it actually
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have sure like the magic of what, like you know,
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the Anna Jones movies, or does it just feel completely
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different and than those movies just because of like something
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was lost in translation totally.
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I mean, I'm curious too about the Last of Us show,
816
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right because I feel like, wasn't that originally supposed to
817
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be a movie and Neil Druckman had written the script
818
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a long time ago and then we kind of didn't
819
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hear anything about it, and then the Last of Us
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two happened, and like didn't hear anything about it, and
821
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then like what Shortly before the Last of Us two
822
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came out, they announced that they were doing an HBO
823
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series with the Last of Us And then yeah, like
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you're saying.
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Gigs ah, dude, the guy who wrote to Noble, Oh, yeah,
826
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he's doing the Last of Us show.
827
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So I am significantly more interested in that one.
828
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Yeah, I mean too.
829
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I just like, I think part of what makes the
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00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.719
Last of Us work though, is the fact that you
831
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play it, because I think on paper it's.
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Just the road right like if if not like.
833
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Particularly outstanding, it's it's the interactivity that makes it what
834
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it is. So I'm not I don't know.
835
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Yeah, I actually I'm kind of curious to see, like
836
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what people who don't play a lot of games but
837
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:14.519
watch a lot of movies think about because this has
838
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:16.880
always been like, well, there's always been like this weird
839
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:19.800
thing of like, well, this is good for a game,
840
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but if it were a movie then I don't know
841
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if it would get as much of a past story wise.
842
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So I'm wondering, like with Neil direct and be more
843
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.480
directly involved in the show, is are people who are
844
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.599
like more in line with like I watch a lot
845
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.760
of TV stuff, and I know, like you know, good
846
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:40.119
storytelling in TV shows, how that would measure up versus
847
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you know, like to have that analogy be more direct.
848
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I think it's going to be interesting.
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Before we move on to listener questions. GameSpot Extra Life
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listener questions, and we're back with listener questions. As I
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from v Tour on discord, Cali. Do you want to
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read this one?
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Yes?
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Okay, So question regarding the new game prices, with games
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of next Gen going to be around seventy dollars retail
885
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.239
and here in Europe sometimes as high as seventy five euros,
886
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.480
do you think that this change is going to affect
887
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.360
a lot of game sales numbers? From my perspective, it
888
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.360
will just make me even more selective on the titles
889
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.639
that I choose and regarding console versions. It seems that
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00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.079
disc is still very viable. Is still a very viable
891
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.239
option given the trading and reselling factor. What are your
892
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.239
thoughts on that? Honestly, this price change just makes game
893
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.800
Pass look like an even better deal. Cheers guys, and
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00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.760
stay face. I don't know what stay faced means, but
895
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:02.599
sank thank you.
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00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.079
I was thinking it meant. Are they meant to say
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stay safe?
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00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.079
Stay safe? Stay face?
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00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.360
But also like, I don't know, stay faced, your composure possible.
900
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.079
That I don't know that you know, it could be
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00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.480
I mean, it could be some European slang, you know,
902
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.639
could be to do I have to do a lot
903
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.239
of translating and British slang. So maybe this is just
904
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:32.519
a new one. Disc is sort of of a viable
905
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.840
option into next Gen if you buy a Series X
906
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.920
or PlayStation five disc edition.
907
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:44.000
Yeah. Yeah, I would not call it very viable given
908
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.960
that the more affordable options for both consoles are disc loss.
909
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:50.719
I also don't think you really get a whole lot
910
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.159
from trading in a game or reselling it, so like
911
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.880
I wouldn't really bank on that. I do think it
912
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.880
does make game Pass more attractive. Yeah, I was just
913
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.480
gonna say, I think we've talked about this a little
914
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.360
bit on the podcast before, but our perspective on game
915
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.239
prices is going to be a little skewed because oftentimes
916
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.920
the biggest games, like we were going to get advanced
917
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.719
code for from the publisher, Like in my case, like
918
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:18.760
if I'm reviewing a game, like, I'm not paying for
919
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:24.559
that out of pocket. So I do think like cost
920
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:26.719
is always going to be a factor, like and always
921
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.159
has been for me, Like I've always been kind of
922
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.079
selective about what I'm going to buy because you only
923
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.440
have so much money to spend on games and also time.
924
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.280
But so like, I don't know.
925
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.519
If seventy dollars versus sixty dollars is like necessarily I mean,
926
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.400
ten dollars here and there can definitely add up, but
927
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.559
I don't know if that's necessarily the biggest thing. I
928
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.639
do think that game Pass is super attractive, and I
929
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:50.880
think we'll get even more so.
930
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.960
Yeah, for someone in this like in this position, I
931
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.719
still find myself buying a lot of full price games,
932
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.800
whether that be on Steam or Xbox PlayStation. Usually Digital.
933
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.440
I don't know if it'll change a lot. I think
934
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.639
the biggest thing that will happen for me is that
935
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.079
I'll probably think twice, well I usually think twice anyway
936
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:14.320
about whether or not I should buy this game unless
937
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.719
it's something I'm very excited for. But I feel like
938
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.280
I will probably do that more often because seventy dollars,
939
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:26.079
Like it's a reasonable i'd say amount to pay considering
940
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.920
how expensive a lot of these triple games are, but
941
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that's still I don't know, that's still ten extra dollars
942
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.920
that I will undoubtedly be thinking about. Yeah, but I
943
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think to your point, like I think game Pass is
944
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.000
really going to succeed with this in mind, just because
945
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.840
you can just pay a flat fee per month, well
946
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.920
hopefully a flat fee, and then you can access all
947
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.639
these games, and especially with all the acquisitions that Microsoft
948
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has been doing, it makes it even more attractive, right
949
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:59.920
like like with Bethesda in particular, like even if Mike
950
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.199
Stuff does end up putting those games on another console,
951
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which I doubt, but if they do, like it's still like,
952
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oh well, there's still seventy dollars now, or if I
953
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had an Xbox, or I could just have game Pass
954
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:13.400
on my Xbox, and I'll be able to play these
955
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games for much cheaper.
956
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Yeah, I also think that there's a lot of potential
957
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for games kind of being further stratified, Like waiting until
958
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.280
something is sixty dollars is going to be like, oh,
959
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I'm waiting for the first sale versus something for fifty
960
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.360
and forty. So I'm curious to see how developers adapt,
961
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.920
Like how often do we see games that are seventy
962
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.880
dollars and how often we see more games that are
963
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.199
forty dollars because I think we're we're seeing some of
964
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those games. I think like the Crash Collection was forty dollars.
965
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.360
I know Activision has been doing some kind of less
966
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.360
than full price games, and I'm curious to see if
967
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.800
developers kind of take advantage of Okay, well, like the
968
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budget games can now maybe charge fifty dollars instead of
969
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forty and people will be more amenable to that. And
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then but yeah, I think like game pass is going
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to be a thing where that's it's smart of Microsoft
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to lean on that more now than ever, as you know,
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games get more expensive and it seems like that's where
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things are going to go. We'll see how this first
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round of seventy dollars games goes. But yeah, I don't
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think it's like, I don't think it's going to change
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much about games. I think it's more about like compensating
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for kind of borrow time, because on the PS four
979
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and Xbox One, it definitely felt like games should be
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more expensive, but they're not, so like they're kind of
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charging you know, through other means like micro transactions and stuff.
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So I'm curious, Like.
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I don't think it's going to be a huge change
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in terms of what we get out of the games,
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but I think it's, yeah, it's kind of them doing
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what they have to.
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Yeah, I mean, I think my biggest hope going off
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what you said is that we just see more variety
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in game prices, you know, like and we we are
990
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kind of seeing that too, right with Star Wars Squadrons,
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which launched at forty bucks. So I just I hope
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you see more of that. Like I wouldn't mind paying
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seventy dollars for a big triple A game if maybe
994
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like a double A game is a little bit less
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instead of hitting that standard sixty seventy dollars. Right, all right,
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next question here is from Jarrett, Lucy, do you want
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to take this one?
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Sure?
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My significant other doesn't love the fact that I play
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video games. In fact, she sees them as a waste
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of time. Even though I've tried to show her games
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that can be educational like brain age and good for
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physical fitness like ring Fit, she still looks at games
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with a bit of disdain. Any thoughts about how to
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00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.039
show her that they can not only be good for
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building various skills but also a great escape from reality.
1007
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.039
Oh that's a tough one, Doozy.
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Jarrett, because.
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This is also another field where we feel maybe a
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little bit privileged than that you're able to justify it
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00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:45.320
by saying like, oh, this is work.
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00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.039
You know, I'm doing work by playing too much Hades.
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00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.960
But I think maybe the best, the better pitch is
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less about like how it can benefit you as a
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00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:56.719
human being and more about like, this is something that
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I This is what I do instead of like watching movies.
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This is my hobby, right, Like I don't, you know,
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00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.760
I don't I can't really garden right now, and I
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00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.440
don't build model kits or whatever other hobbies people have.
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I play.
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I play video games instead, right, And that this is
1022
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like my me time. I think that's maybe your best
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00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.559
chance for making that pitch.
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I mean, well, I think if you're showing games like
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brain Age and ring Fit, why not explore something together
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00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.199
so you can show your partner. You know, it's kind
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00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.039
of difficult if you're just on the outside looking in,
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unless it's a really story driven game or something super
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00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:37.800
cinematic like maybe like a Last of Us or an
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00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:43.119
Unchied or any other you know, narrative driven game where
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00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.280
you can just kind of follow along and kind of
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00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:50.360
I don't know, explore the parallels between games as a
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00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.719
kind of storytelling vehicle. If you're playing something together, something
1034
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.920
that's co op and something that's kind of easy to
1035
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.199
get to grips with, they can maybe see, yeah, can
1036
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get the reinforcement that is kind of you know, driving
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00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.960
the the brain juice is to love gaming.
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You know.
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My My thing is.
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I am reading this question for me is just kind
1041
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of like, you know, at a certain point, like if
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the person you're with doesn't respect your hobby, Like, like
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I agree with Surreal that it's it's about like communicating,
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00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.280
Like I don't think you need to get your partner
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to play games with you. Well, I mean, like I
1046
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:32.719
do think that's a good tactic if like that's something
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00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.519
you really want to explore. But I I think just generally,
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00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.119
like your partner should just respect what your hobbies are.
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00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.800
And so that's what I get hung up on is, yeah,
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if your.
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Partner doesn't.
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It doesn't have to like games, doesn't have to understand games,
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00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.039
but should at least respect that you like to do that.
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00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.039
I think that's the foundation for a good relationship. Isn't
1055
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:02.800
a real relationship advice show? That's my main that's my
1056
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.880
main takeaway from this question is just like, yeah, I
1057
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.920
don't necessarily have a recommendation for a game to show
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00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.559
that'll like magically cure this. I think it's a communication situation.
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00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:17.079
Yeah.
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00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.840
I think you can also get into a bit of
1061
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.880
a trap if you're only showing them games like brain
1062
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Age and things like Ring Fit of having those be
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00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.760
the only relevant games in that discussion then because it's like, well,
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00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.920
what is you know, for example, what is Goest of
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00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:30.960
Sushima doing for you?
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00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:31.280
Right?
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00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.079
And so you start you use those as the metric,
1068
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.199
it kind of starts to skew it a little bit,
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00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.440
so you're kind of having to justify every game by
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like how is it benefiting me as a human being,
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which is sort of why I lean to it more
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00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:44.440
is like, yeah, the fact that brain age is helpful
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00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.719
and ring fit is as well helps but that shouldn't
1074
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.360
be like the only metric that makes a game useful
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00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:51.280
or good, you know.
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Yeah, and I don't think that every minute of your
1077
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.039
day needs to be productive. I think it's totally valid
1078
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.239
to just be like, I like it because I like it,
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and I and I want to do this and I
1080
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don't care if it doesn't provide me with anything I like.
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00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.760
I do think I'll use a video game example. Actually,
1082
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.320
like in the SIMS, like one of the meters you
1083
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.519
have to watch is fun, and like doing like watching
1084
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.079
TV or whatever in the SIMS like doesn't give your
1085
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.000
sim anything unless you're watching the Cooking channel, but it
1086
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.920
doesn't increase your fun if you do that, you know,
1087
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.320
it's just spending time. The way you want to spend
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00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.400
time is an entirely valid reason. You don't have to
1089
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.440
justify it further in my opinion.
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Yeah, And I mean, I think if you really want
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to like show off games to your significant other, maybe
1092
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.920
going down the artistic path could be good, like because
1093
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because I think of a game like gre Grease gree.
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I never learned how to pronounce that game, but that
1095
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.679
that game was gorgeous, And I feel like, even if
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00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.079
you're not super into games, it's hard not to look
1097
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.559
at that and have some sort of sense of wonder. Yeah,
1098
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.000
or maybe even like or is another beautiful game. But
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I think all in all, yeah, I definitely agree with
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what Kelly and Surreal are saying about about like just
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00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.239
pitch it more as like this is kind of what
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00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.960
I do to blow off steam, to relax, to recoup
1103
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:20.440
after a long day or whatever it might be. Because
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00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.960
because that that seems totally reasonable.
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00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.840
Yeah, I think as well, if your partner is saying
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that they see games as a waste of time, maybe
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00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.320
there's an undercurrent thereof it's time not spent with me.
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00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.639
So that's why I was suggesting, like the trying to
1109
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.360
involve them. But I agree with like I agree with
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Kellie that like you shouldn't like your partner shouldn't be
1111
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.960
shitting on your hobbies. I thought that's not cool. That's
1112
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.079
not a grown up thing to do. He allowed your
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own hobbies.
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00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.159
Yeah, I think that's a very good point though, is
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like it might just be a veiled way of being
1116
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like I want to spend more time together. But in
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00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.480
that case, like you could meet, like you meet in
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the middle and figure out what their hobbies are.
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00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:06.159
I don't know.
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00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.679
I haven't had this problem really with like my family
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00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.800
or anything. I've never dated anyone who didn't play video games,
1122
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.239
and like my parents play video games, so I like
1123
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.599
I have that advantage, but I do think, like, yeah,
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it's a communication. I would just talk to your partner.
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Well. Anyway, that's been episode sixty four of GameSpot After Dark.
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Thank you all so much for listening, and thank you
1127
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guys for joining me this week. If you have any questions,
1128
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you can email us at after Dark podcast at GameSpot
1129
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:36.480
dot com. And with that, Lucy, where can people find
1130
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:37.760
you and what are you working on this week?
1131
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.800
I'm on Twitter at Lucy James Games.
1132
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:46.599
This week Generation Next, we are talking with Michael him
1133
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.599
once again now that his series x Embogo is fully up,
1134
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.440
so we're putting your questions to him. That should be
1135
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.760
up right now. Jake, you, John Luck and I ran
1136
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.280
through some listener questions and video questions on clibern twenty
1137
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seventy seven, so that should also be up and other
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than that, I'm dealing with my visa fun.
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Kelly.
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You can find me on Twitter at inky dojico I
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n k y d o j I kk oh where
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00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.119
you can see all the puzzles I'm doing, dude, that puzzle.
1143
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.800
Puzzle, Yeah, Jesus, I.
1144
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.480
Didn't I think it would take a lot of people
1145
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.039
really reacted to that puzzle. My I did it with
1146
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:33.079
my mom and we just we worked on it for
1147
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:38.039
like two months or something. Yeah, I'm like I said,
1148
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.679
I'm working on some fasmophobia stuff just to help out,
1149
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.760
and then I'll be checking out Crown one hundred DLC
1150
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.800
for Pokemon Sword and Shield, so hopefully like I'll have
1151
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:54.239
some some more like you know, guide stuff and other
1152
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.760
you know, I do reviews, So planning a review for.
1153
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:02.599
That, yeah in Sereal.
1154
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.599
Yeah, you can find me at Twitter dot com slash
1155
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.119
sireal Avascaz s U r I E L And I
1156
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.840
think auto auto complete will will do the rest hopefully
1157
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.800
at that point. But I'm also on you know, mid
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00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.400
max with two ends. By the way, I should I
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should mention m I N N M A x uh.
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So you can find me there on Patreon and on YouTube.
1161
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.199
We're doing an anniversary stream because it's the when you're
1162
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:29.000
anniversary of mid Max. I want to say this Saturday.
1163
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:31.840
And then if you're looking for more extra left ahead
1164
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.880
of game spots, we have our own uh extra live
1165
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.880
stream the week I think one or two weeks before
1166
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.239
I think November seventh. So if you're looking to watch
1167
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:42.920
all the extra live streams, we're also doing one of those.
1168
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And I think that's.
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Everything is in like Minnesota? Is that why? Yes?
1170
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:54.760
Yeah, yeah, I have spelt mid Max like in a
1171
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:58.639
game with two ends because of multiple times, and I
1172
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.679
think I think Edit and including Kelli have even like
1173
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.880
corrected and be like, no, I know this, but I
1174
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.480
don't just my fingers do think that is?
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00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.320
That is a compliment and I appreciate it.
1176
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.559
I also want to shout out sire L's Hades review.
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It was excellent.
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00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:14.440
We all really enjoyed it, so if you haven't read it,
1179
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definitely read it.
1180
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:15.880
If you want to.
1181
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.480
If the podcast didn't convince you to play Hades after
1182
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.920
hearing how many days Creal's played Hades, definitely read this review.
1183
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:25.760
And you can find me at Jacob Deckt And I'm
1184
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.079
working on a Fasmophobia guide, which hopefully will be up
1185
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.280
by the time this podcast goes up, but it is
1186
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.360
considerably longer than I expected. And then, like Lucy said,
1187
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.039
there's cyberpunk stuff. I think Jean Luke should have another
1188
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.519
cyberpunk lore video up suit. I don't know. I think
1189
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this weekend, I think we get the.
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Q and A up first, and then law Cyber Saturdays.
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00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:53.679
Yeah, normally they go up Saturday.
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I'll call it that.
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00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.440
We don't normally they go up Saturdays. But this one
1194
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.920
has been particularly tough because A this has been this
1195
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.079
week has been madness, and B the topic he's covering
1196
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.360
there's not a lot of b roll or anything to
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00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.079
go off of, so it's A it's been it's been
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00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.360
a long edit. I don't envy him at all. But
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with that, I'll see y'all next week.
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M h.