Beyond Mindset Limits - Tisha Marie Cain JD, CHt September 30, 2026 Special Guest Vanessa Rutledge.

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Welcome to Beyond Mindset Limits with Tisha Marie Cain. Here,
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we explore how unlocking your mindset can pave the way
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for unlimited success. Discover how to create opportunities through legal
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challenges and transform your business and life with effective public
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relations strategies. Get ready to elevate your journey and maximize
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your potential. Now, let's welcome your host, Tisha Marie Cain.
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Welcome back to Beyond Mindset Limits. I am your host,
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Tisha Marie Cain, and we have a good show for
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you today. I am here with Vanessa Rutledge. She is
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a retired 911 dispatcher. She's one of those unicorn energies
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like most of us. She does it all. She's a
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retired 911 dispatcher. She's an author and She's an intuitive
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energy alchemist, and she's a teacher. And her work centers
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around helping people quiet the noise, recognize what is true,
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and remember who they are beyond the stories that they've
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learned to believe about themselves. So this is why Vanessa
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is on the show today, because she is so aligned
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with Beyond Mindset Limits. And I want to dive into
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her story really quick before we have her on. During
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her decade as a 911 dispatcher and throughout her whole
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personal life, Vanessa experienced moments of knowing that went beyond
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the logic and beyond the information available to her at
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that time, sometimes with life-saving consequences. Her experiences ultimately led
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her to explore intuition, energy, and consciousness and what it
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actually means to tune in on a much deeper level.
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Through years of study, personal experience, and working with others,
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Vanessa came to understand that intuition isn't something only, it's
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not only for a chosen few. It's a natural ability
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we all have to tune into the field of information
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and beyond the thinking mind. Her work helps people recognize
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the difference between mental noise and the quieter signal of
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intuition and getting that information. At the heart of Vanessa's work,
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it's a simple truth. We are not created flawed, broken,
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or unworthy. And she helps people all over the world
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look at themselves with greater compassion and understanding. to see
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each piece of who they are, worthy of love, including
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the pieces they may have spent a lifetime judging, hiding,
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and trying to change. She is the author of The
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Story of You. You can find it on Amazon or
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Barnes & Noble. The Story of You, Finding the Wisdom Within,
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a guided journal that helps people look at their own
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story through a different lens, rather than changing or rewriting
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the past. The journal is encourages readers to see themselves
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and their experiences with the same understanding, compassion, and love
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they often refer to as their own best friend. From
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that perspective, they can begin to see every piece of
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themselves differently and ultimately fall in love with who they
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really are. Her mission is to help people see their
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story through a new lens, learn to turn in into
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the guidance available to all of us, and fill their
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own cup with self-love, understanding, and truth so that overflow
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comes and becomes their gift to the world. So Vanessa,
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thank you so much and welcome to Beyond Mindset Limits.
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Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited
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to be here today, Tisha. Wow.
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It's a divine connection that you're here on the show
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because this is what we teach about with Beyond Mindset
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Limits is we go beyond the mind, beyond consciousness. And
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what really intrigued me about you is this retired 911 dispatcher.
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So I know you have tons of stories. And also
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this intuitive energy alchemist. And that's a story about my
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life is being able to tune in to alchemize even
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the dark or the light and have it all come
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together for our greatest good. So thank you so much.
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I have a few questions. So I want our listeners
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to lean in and tune into this. Before you became
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a teacher and before you became an author, Before you
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were an intuitive energy alchemist, you spent a decade as
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a 911 dispatcher. Is that right?
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Yes.
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What did that experience teach you about listening beyond just
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the words someone was saying?
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You know, really, it taught me that there's such a
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big difference between listening and really hearing what's being said,
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not just what's being said, but what's not being said.
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Right.
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So, you know, our typical way of listening is just,
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you know, having a back and forth conversation. But if
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I'm really tuned in to you and what's going on
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with you, I might see something between the words. I
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might hear or feel something that you're not saying, you know,
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or maybe I hear something that's going on in the
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background and I pick up on something, you know, or
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maybe you're telling me something that isn't making a whole
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lot of sense as a, you And somebody's asking me
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to have dinner tonight, right? That might be, there might
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be something else going on in the background that they
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can't just obviously tell me. So I think really it
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taught me the difference between listening as we typically do
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and really trying to tune into that person and to
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what's really being said or not said.
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I love that. I love that. And you had moments
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of knowing that went beyond logic. And some of those
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moments had life-saving consequences. Can you share one of your
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experiences that changed the way that you understood intuition altogether?
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Yes. So one day I took a call of a
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house fire. I worked for a county that was just
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shy of a thousand square miles. And on a good day,
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we might have five, maybe six deputies to cover that
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entire area. And so per policy and procedure, any fire
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or medical calls, I was to transfer to the fire
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department and their dispatchers would handle the call. But after
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I transferred this particular house fire, I received a message,
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put that out over your radio. And so, and it
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was a very strong message, not one that I would
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argue with. And so I got on my radio and
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I did it knowing full well that I could get
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written up because it went against policy and procedure, but
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I put it out over my radio and it just
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so happened. I had two deputies, one street over who
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both responded. They went into the house and what they
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found was that there was an elderly couple who had
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both fallen out of their wheelchairs, one on one end
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of the house and one on the other end of
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the house. Each deputy scooped one up and took them
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to their car and drove out of the driveway. And
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by the time before they even left the driveway, the
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house exploded before the fire department had even gotten there.
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Wow.
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And so that came to you as an intuitive hit.
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That, yeah, very much came as intuition. Now, I had
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had many experiences throughout my life where Intuition saved my
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life and, you know, even my children's lives. But I
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had never dealt with it in a way that helped
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save a stranger's life. So working as a 911 dispatcher
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and learning that I could receive that information for a
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complete stranger, that was a totally different story. And wow,
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it was life changing for me.
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And obviously, certainly for them. Wow.
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By the way, eight months pregnant at that time.
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You were?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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So that, that go, I'm going off on a little
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journey here. So if you were eight months pregnant, was,
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was your child a male or female?
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Female. Female.
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Now, does she have intuition like you have?
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Uh, she does. She now she's raising two little boys.
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So she's, you know, obviously very busy with her boys and,
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and not quite as tuned in as she can be.
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But yes, uh, actually all three of my, my kids
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are really, um, are really intuitive.
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Yes. I remember when I was a little girl, my
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mom dropped us off at the local pool and she said,
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you and your sister are going to go swimming and
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I'll be back in an hour after I go grocery shopping,
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but you guys swim and I'll be back. Well, just
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as she dropped us off, I went running and fell
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and slip and hit my head. She had turned around
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the car. This was way before, this was the 1980s,
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way before cell phones. She had turned around came back
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and I was laying there on the counter and they
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were looking at my head and I said, mommy, you're back.
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And she said, yes. She goes, I knew something had
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happened with you. And that moment while I was laying
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on the table, she says, do you have this intuition too?
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And I just want you to know, but I was
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like four and I always remember her saying that. But again, yeah,
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I guess life gets, life, lifes us and you know
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gets us gets in the way and you're not tuned
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into that so stopping and hearing that especially when you're
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pregnant with with your daughter and then being able to
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get that intuitive hit to save this couple's life that's
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fantastic when you were a 911 dispatcher How did you
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learn to distinguish between instinct and fear, training, or something
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deeper that you now recognize as intuitive guidance?
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Yeah, so I think I learned to distinguish them because
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they each felt very different to me. Even before I
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became a dispatcher, I had a lot of experiences in
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my personal life where information I received actually saved my life,
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like I was saying earlier. So by the time I
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became a dispatcher, I understood that I had an ability
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to receive information beyond what I could explain through my
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five senses or what would typically be considered normal. For me,
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fear is loud. It's physical. It's something I feel in
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my body, usually in my solar plexus, almost like my
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body is trying to get my attention. And then my
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brain immediately wants to create a story to explain that feeling,
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whatever's creating that fear. Maybe there's a ghost under the bed.
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You know, the mind wants to give us a reason
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to have that fear. And that's the chatter that's constantly
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going on in the mind. Training was completely different. It
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gave me a framework. It taught me how to ask
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the right questions, gather information quickly. you know, establish parameters
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and work through a situation efficiently, each situation. And certainly,
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you know, with enough training and repetition, some of those
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things become muscle memory. But training never showed up for
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me as a feeling in my body. It was more
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of a process. It taught me, you know, what to
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do with the information that I had. But it couldn't
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explain the information that I sometimes received that wasn't coming
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from the caller my training was you know, or anything
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that I could logically observe in the situation. That kind
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of information felt different. I recently heard someone describe it
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like a rear view mirror. And I love that description.
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The information is there in the mirror. Your job is
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just to learn to notice it. You know, if we're
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not looking, we're not going to find that information or
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hear it or receive it. And that's what intuitive guidance
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has always felt like for me. The information is just
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there and there's no chatter around it. And I think
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that became one of the clearest distinctions for me. Fear
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is loud. My thinking mind always wants to analyze and
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create a story. Training gives me a process, but intuitive
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guidance is quiet, immediate, and incredibly clear. And then there
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were times when all of it seemed to work together.
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My training, my instincts, and the guidance. You know, I
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would move into this state of flow. And it was
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interesting that I as I was writing my first book,
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I actually called it flow and didn't know that there
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was something called flow state. I told a friend of
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mine and he says, oh, you need to read this book.
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You know, it's it's it's called flow state. You know,
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it felt like like I would say being part of
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a river, but it was almost like I was the river,
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you know, flowing with with no obstructions. I wasn't consciously
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separating one from another anymore. I was just simply responding
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to what was in front of me while remaining open
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to whatever other information came through. And looking back, I
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think those experiences were teaching me something that became central
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to the work that I do now. Learning to recognize
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the difference between the noise in our minds and the
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information that we receive when we're tuned in.
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Wow.
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Wow, that is so good. I could, I see how
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what you said, you were more like the water, you know,
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being able to flow in, in that and knowing your
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processes that allowed it to help you through it, but
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it was more immediate and clear as it came through.
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And being able to recognize that is huge, right? Because
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I think a lot of us take you know, our
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whole lives to finally get there because, you know, again, life,
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life says we have the kids and the family and
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soccer practice and school and supper and all the things
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that you're like, okay, you finally get to this point
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where you're in flow state and, and using those words
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before you even knew that that was a thing is
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I think a God thing, right? Just moving us through that. So, wow.
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Wow.
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Your story is such a powerful example of what I
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talk about on Beyond Mindset Limits, like moving beyond the
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thinking of the mind. What do you believe we are
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actually tuning into when we receive information that we can't
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logically explain? Cause I tell you right now, like I
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call it the itty bitty crappy committee, right? Where I'm like,
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I'm so I'm a split brain, right? So half of
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my brain is artistic. Half of my brain is logical,
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but what, what is it that you believe that we're
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actually tuning into when we receive that information?
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Yeah, that's a great question. It's actually something that I've
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been diving much deeper into as I've been writing my
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second book. I believe that underneath everything is a field
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of information, almost like an underlying web of raw data
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that exists everywhere. And, you know, I don't think that
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we're separate from that field. I believe we come from it.
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We exist within it. And we're constantly interacting with it.
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And this idea actually started for me in 2015. I
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was driving down this long road in the country headed
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towards the mountains one day and I asked a question
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that had been bothering me for a long time. And
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I was almost frustrated. I remember, you know, when I
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said it, I said it with some force. Why is
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it sometimes my intuition is so incredibly strong and clear,
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but other times I can't access it at all. And
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almost immediately, the answer came to me. It's like a
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radio station. All you have to do is tune in.
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And it just hit me. I pulled over to the
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side of the road. I made a note in my iPhone,
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which I still have today. I called my husband. Oh
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my gosh, I just figured it out. And of course,
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now we hear that everywhere, right? It's like a radio station.
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Just tune in. And not saying that I created that theory,
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but I accessed that same description that other people are
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now accessing, you know? And so that answer actually changed
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the way I thought about intuition because a radio doesn't
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create the information it receives. The signal is there, whether
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the radio is tuned in or not, the radio is
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just the receiver. So that's how I began to think
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about us. I believe our bodies interface with the field
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of information, a question and intention that even our attention
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can act almost like a request for information. And when
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we're tuned in, we can receive that information. And I
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think the human body plays an interesting role in that process.
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We're part of the field, but not separate from it,
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but we're experiencing it through a physical body, a brain,
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and five physical senses. So tuning in is really about
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learning how to receive information that isn't coming through those
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usual sensory channels and learning to recognize it once it arrives.
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I actually created a course recently to help people learn
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how to tune in, how to clear the noise, recognize
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the signal and trust it once they do receive it.
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Yeah, that course is going to be amazing because I
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know I'm still helping clients deal with that low negative,
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you know, anger, sadness, fear, guilt, shame, not good enough,
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those low negative energies, and to be able to neutralize
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that so they can have access. Because I believe that,
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you know, if you're still dealing with the lower dense energies,
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it's harder to tune in because you have all the
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noise down here. So your course is going to be
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amazing to help people tune in to their intuition and
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get guidance from within. Wow. Oh, my gosh. I'm excited. Yeah.
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So do you believe that intuition is something everyone has
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or is it a gift that some people simply are
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more sensitive to?
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No, I believe we all have the ability to tune in.
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I think we were actually intended to use this information
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as guidance throughout our lives. The problem is that we've
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created such noisy lives. You know, everything is fast paced.
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We're constantly being stimulated and stressed. We're thinking all the time.
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And I think we've created so much static that most
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people don't even realize the field of information is there,
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much less know how to tune into it. I do
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believe some people are naturally more sensitive to it, even
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from birth. For instance, I've been able to see and
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feel energy since I was a young child. As far
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back as I can remember, I was using energy on myself.
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When I didn't feel well, I thought that was just
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what everyone did. I didn't realize that other kids were
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going to their parents and asking for medicine. And looking back,
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I can see that my intuition was also incredibly strong
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throughout my life. I just didn't recognize it for what
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it was at the time. And one of the interesting
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things about getting older is that I've become really good
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at looking back and seeing the patterns throughout my life.
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I can now see experiences that seemed completely unrelated at
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the time and recognize this thread running through all of them.
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So yes, I think some people may come into this
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life more sensitive to the signal, but I don't think
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the ability itself is a gift that not everyone has.
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I think we all have access to it.
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And I like what you said, just calming the noise
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because the noise is so busy. And I've recently, I've
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done for myself where I've asked my family, like they
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know I can multitask. I can multitask on top of multitask.
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And lately I'm like, you know what? I just want
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to cut the vegetables for dinner.
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Is that okay?
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I don't want to answer questions. You know, I just
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want to monotask and be very present. And it was
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interesting on this one Saturday when it was very present
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with one task at a time, the meal that I
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had prepared, I had prepared a hundred times before that.
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But because I was very intuitive and very present with
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every step of the process, my family is like, mommy,
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what did you do to this meal? It's like the
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best meal in American history. I had done nothing different
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except calm the noise. be completely present. And of course,
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in my mind, I was infusing the vegetables with peace, love,
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and song, right? But the meal, the ingredients of the
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meal stayed the same, but I was just really present
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in calming that noise to tap into what felt right.
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And then the meal just turned out beautiful. So I
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love this message about being sensitive to it, but everyone
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being able to access it if they just calm that noise.
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It's so good.
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Sure.
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One of the things you teach is the difference between
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mental noise and intuitive information. What does mental noise feel
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like compared to what is true intuitive signal coming through?
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So mental noise to me is the chatter that's constantly
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going on. You know, for example, you walk into a
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dark room and you feel fear. So instantly your mind
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starts to create a story to justify that fear. If
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you're taking a shower and you're not present, your mind
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can start conversations. Maybe, you know, someone you've had a
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disagreement with, or perhaps there's a situation you just haven't
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been able to resolve. Your mind may start trying to
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work this out during your shower. Intuition or tuning in
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and receiving information from the field is much different. It's
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very clear. There's no chatter around it. Your mind is
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not trying to argue it away or justify it. you know,
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either direction. So for me, it almost arrives as an
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image or a knowing. People talk about channeling, ESP, clairvoyance,
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or any of the clairs, psychic abilities. My belief is
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that it all comes from the same place. It's all
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coming from that field of information. It may feel different,
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you know, when we receive it, or we may receive
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it in different ways. like an image, a sound, a knowing,
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or a feeling. But regardless, I believe that all that
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information is coming from the same place. So in answer
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to your question, mental noise is messy. Intuition is clear.
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And the more you learn to trust it, the more
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clear it becomes.
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Yeah.
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So as a 911 dispatcher, knowing that intuition was clear,
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so before you retired from that, were you getting clear
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intuitive hits like each call as you, as you went
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through the process and took a call, did you always
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get an intuitive hit or I just wanted to dive.
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I wanted to go in deeper to like a day
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in the life of you taking calls, like each call,
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did you instinctively know what to do because you were
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clear or.
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So I think a lot of it, like we talked
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about before, you know, getting into that flow state was
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really important. I don't think I could say that I
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was tuned in for every single call that I took
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because obviously we're human, right? And we're not perfect all
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of the time. But if I could take a moment
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and just give you another example. Yes, I want to hear. Yeah,
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these are the fun stories. Um, so, uh, I, I
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was working alone one morning and I received a call, uh,
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from a man who reported shots fired at the mental
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health building. He says, he says it like this.
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I just wanted to report there's somebody shooting at the
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mental health building. Really calm. And so that was another
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one of those moments where I had to listen beyond
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what he was saying. And in the background, I can
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hear the shots literally being fired. So I said to him,
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are you reporting somebody's target shooting in the parking lot
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or are you telling me that somebody's inside the building shooting?
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And he said, no, you know, somebody is inside the
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building shooting. And so at that point, because I was
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working alone, I yelled at the warrants clerk and this
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was a message that I had received. I yelled at
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her and she came running over and I said, lock
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down the schools. And she looked at me and she said,
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the schools? And I said, yeah, I don't know why,
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just please do it. So she did. She called and
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locked down the schools.
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The schools like in that area. Yeah. Okay.
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In Nevada city in particular. And so, um, uh, at
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that point it was like 11 minutes later. Um, and,
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and at the mental health building, he had already, you know,
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unfortunately killed someone who ended up being the very best
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friend of my first partner to come on duty that day,
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which meant that, you know, he wasn't able to help
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me once he came on duty. Um, And I'll back up.
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Hopefully I don't lose my track here, but I'll back up.
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About a week prior to that, I had asked the
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sheriff to install Yahoo Messenger on our computers. And he
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looks at me and says, Yahoo Messenger? And I said,
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I don't know. Just, you know, and this was before CAD.
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This was before we had all these other ways of communicating.
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And so working by myself that morning, you know, the
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phones are ringing off the hook. I had six surrounding
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agencies working in my county for this, you know, particular call.
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I had helicopters in the sky. I had one channel
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to work with to communicate with all these officers in
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the field. And my 911s are ringing off the hook
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and I'm handling everything myself. I could not get a
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line out to call for help. So it just so
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happened we had just installed Yahoo Messenger on our computers.
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So I got on Yahoo Messenger, you know, and was
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able to get some help in the dispatch center. So anyways,
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back to the shooter. About 11 minutes later, he shows
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up at the Lion's restaurant and starts shooting open firing
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inside the restaurant. He ended up killing someone there and hurting,
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you know, several other people. 15 hours later, I was
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still on duty. when we took the guy into custody
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and you'll never guess, he was the janitor at my
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son's school.
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Wow. So the link was, you knew, okay, lock down
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the schools in that area. And he could have been
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so volatile to go in, you know, do more harm,
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but there was an intuitive hint that you received that
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he was connected to the school some way, somehow. And
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thank goodness that you just followed your intuition and locked
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down the schools. And oh my gosh, I wonder if,
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I don't know if I would be cut out to
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be a 9-1 dispatcher. I mean, I'm wondering, does it
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take a special person to be a 9-1-1 dispatcher? I mean,
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how did you fall into that type of work? And
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how did you desensitize? Did you get desensitized from some
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of the calls that came in?
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For sure. And in 2018, I actually received, I was
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driving to work one day and I should back up
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five steps. At this point, I was injured in 2007
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on the job, actually in the dispatch center. And so
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I left my job and had to do some physical
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therapy for a couple of years before I could go
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back to work. I had zero range of motion in
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my neck. And so I had gone back to school
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and at this point I was working for UC Davis
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and I was driving to work and I received an
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image of a book cover with title 9-1-1 The Calling.
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Hmm.
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And so it's interesting that you asked me that question,
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because I instantly knew that I was to write this book.
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And I thought I was writing this big book about,
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you know, all the calls that I had taken. But
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what I realized later, about a year later, I had
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left UC Davis at this point to write full time.
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And about a year later, I received a message when
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I sat down to write one day, you're not going
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to write today, today, you're going to read. And so
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that day, I read what I had written. And it
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was the first time in 10 years that I started
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to cry.
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Wow. Yes.
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And so that was the beginning of my healing journey.
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And the way I describe it in the book.
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Is that I feel.
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like I had 10 years of calls locked up inside this,
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this big, you know, filing cabinet, you know, somewhere deep
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00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:54.930
inside my, my brain, you know, and, and those stories
499
00:29:54.970 --> 00:29:58.140
were locked up tight. And so that day, that filing
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00:29:58.180 --> 00:30:01.700
cabinet goes crashing to the floor and these stories scattered,
501
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you know, like a, like a dust storm, you know,
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00:30:04.509 --> 00:30:07.569
just went everywhere and it was uncontrollable. I just, I
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00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:10.549
cried at commercials, you know, my family is like, who
504
00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:13.930
are you? And what have you done with my mom?
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00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:17.700
And so, um, you know, and I, I had a
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00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.700
lot of, of personal trauma that had happened, um, in
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that 10 years as well. So there was a lot of,
508
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healing that needed to be done. And interestingly, when the
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tears started that day, so did the healing journey. And
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00:30:31.990 --> 00:30:34.809
so that's when all the physical symptoms, you know, started
511
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showing up in my body. And that's, that's what I,
512
00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:39.869
you know, began working on at that point. So yes,
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I do think I was called to that job. And
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I don't think it's for everyone. I don't, you know,
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I don't think any just anyone can, I think anyone
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can do the job. But I think that certain people
517
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are kind of built, um, more for that type of a, a,
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a job. Um, my son, one of my sons came
519
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:03.140
to sit with me on a shift, uh, one day
520
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:06.910
when I was working in the Bay area and he
521
00:31:06.950 --> 00:31:10.910
put on the headset and lasted about 10 minutes and he, he,
522
00:31:11.170 --> 00:31:14.430
it crushed him, you know, everything he was hearing and
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00:31:14.450 --> 00:31:16.970
the headset just crushed him and he, he had to leave,
524
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:18.859
you know, so, um.
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00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:23.289
I'm very empathic too. Like I can't even watch movies
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00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:28.470
without getting, you know, enmeshed in this drama that's not
527
00:31:28.529 --> 00:31:30.390
even real. So it's like, I don't, we don't turn
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00:31:30.430 --> 00:31:32.809
on the TV except for a football game. Right. And
529
00:31:32.849 --> 00:31:35.950
even that I get really passionate about, but I can
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00:31:36.029 --> 00:31:39.069
see how your son was like, uh, okay, this, uh,
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00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:41.170
I can't, this is too much.
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00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:46.009
I'm actually, uh, interestingly, I'm also an empath and I'm
533
00:31:46.109 --> 00:31:49.049
also extremely sensitive. I can't watch those kinds of movies either.
534
00:31:50.069 --> 00:31:52.609
In fact, I'm so sensitive at this point because of
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00:31:52.630 --> 00:31:55.349
all the healing that I've done. I've gotten back in
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touch with who I truly am. And so now at
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this point, I can't even listen to people tell me
538
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the details of like when they've been injured and things
539
00:32:03.579 --> 00:32:06.460
like that because my brain wants to create a story
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00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:09.309
of it. And then I take on their physical pain.
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Oh my gosh.
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00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:13.240
Wow.
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We are so aligned. Cause I do. My husband has
544
00:32:16.109 --> 00:32:18.730
his forearm is hurting right now. And I've been having
545
00:32:18.769 --> 00:32:23.529
some forearm, forearm empath hurting. I'm like, what can you
546
00:32:23.589 --> 00:32:26.349
hurry up and heal? Because now my forearm is hurting.
547
00:32:26.390 --> 00:32:30.579
This is so crazy. So for someone who has spent years,
548
00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:35.220
second guessing themselves, what is the first step toward rebuilding
549
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:40.690
trust and in their own inner knowing? What little tips
550
00:32:40.730 --> 00:32:42.930
and tricks can we give to the listener today that
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we can help give them the first step to start
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00:32:47.170 --> 00:32:49.130
rebuilding that trust with themselves?
553
00:32:50.250 --> 00:32:52.750
Yeah, I think the first step is learning to recognize
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how the information shows up for you and then starting
555
00:32:56.069 --> 00:32:58.880
to pay attention to what happens when you listen to
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00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.400
it and what happens when you don't. That was a
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00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:03.880
big part of how I learned. For me, I might
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00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.490
feel a constriction, you know, in my heart or my
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00:33:07.549 --> 00:33:11.329
solar plexus before, you know, I understood what that meant.
560
00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:13.769
I just knew it didn't feel good. And there were
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00:33:13.829 --> 00:33:16.650
plenty of times when I ignored that feeling and went
562
00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:19.640
ahead with whatever, you know, I was considering anyway, and
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00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:22.200
later realized that my body was telling me no.
564
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Yeah.
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So eventually those experience, those experiences became, you know, evidence that,
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I started recognizing patterns. And this is, you know, like,
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this is what a no feels like for me. This
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is what a yes feels like for me. This is
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what fear feels like, you know, or what it feels like,
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you know, when my mind gets involved and starts creating
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a story. And I think that's how we start rebuilding
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trust in ourselves. First, we have to clear enough of
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the noise that we can actually find the channel. And
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then when we start receiving information, we have to be
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willing to trust what we receive. And I always tell
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people to start small. Don't start with the biggest decision
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00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:06.329
of your life. Ask something simple. Should I turn right
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00:34:06.509 --> 00:34:09.030
or left? Which way should I go? Pay attention to
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the very first information you receive before your mind has
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00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:16.400
time to analyze it. And then watch what happens. And
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every time you follow that information and then discover it
582
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:22.699
was accurate, you're building a little bit more trust in
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your ability to recognize the signal. And I found that
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The more I trust it, the clearer it becomes for me.
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00:34:34.409 --> 00:34:39.300
Oh, I love that. Just leaning into trust, faith and trust.
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I was, it reminded me that, you know, you have to,
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Jesus said, you only have to have faith as a
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00:34:46.219 --> 00:34:48.960
mustard seed, as small as this mustard seed. Like, well,
589
00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:52.019
that is really tiny, right? And just to lean into
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that faith with this complete knowing and trust that it's,
591
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it's it's all working out for our better good, but trusting,
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you know, people ask me sometimes, Tisha, how do I
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00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:05.159
know that this is meant for me? Cause I say,
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cause it's happening, right? That's why I'm a yes to life.
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00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.159
I don't know if you read that book. I think
596
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:17.610
it's by Gary Zukov, The Surrender Experiment, but it's, oh,
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00:35:17.670 --> 00:35:22.900
it's a fascinating book. And he goes through and everything
598
00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:26.820
that drops into his reality, he's like, Oh darn it.
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It's here. And he just had to be a yes
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to it. And every time the neighbor asked him to
601
00:35:32.250 --> 00:35:34.409
build a roof on the house and he's like, Oh,
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00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:36.070
I don't want to build the roof on the house,
603
00:35:36.130 --> 00:35:39.530
but okay. It presented itself to me that I'm going
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to help you build the roof on your house. Well,
605
00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:47.659
then that led into the neighbor gifting him 59 acres
606
00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:50.400
of property because he had helped because he just leaned
607
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:51.820
in and said, Yes.
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Right.
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And so knowing that that faith and that trust in
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the universe, in Gus, we pray to Gus, God, universe
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and spirit.
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Right.
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And right. So we pray trusting in Gus and just
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knowing that your truth and your faith is already inside
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00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:14.760
of you and leaning into that. So, Vanessa, I love
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00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.659
your your message is it's so clear for me. And
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that's why I bring you on, too, is because it's
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00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.190
clear for me, it's clear for you. How do we,
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you know, not muddy the water, but give our listeners
620
00:36:27.750 --> 00:36:32.480
actionable steps to help them through this wonderful great awakening?
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00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.340
It's called the great awakening for a reason, right? To
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00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.599
help them through. And you're a teacher and you're an
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00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.039
author and you have lessons. this lived experience. So I'm
624
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:47.409
wondering how much does fear, conditioning, trauma, or other people's
625
00:36:47.590 --> 00:36:53.530
expectations interfere with our ability to hear our own truth?
626
00:36:54.889 --> 00:36:58.579
A lot. I actually think those are some of the
627
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biggest sources of static. One of the reasons that I
628
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.199
started the Jesus Frequency on TikTok was because I kept
629
00:37:05.260 --> 00:37:10.110
seeing how much fear can become attached to to belief systems, um,
630
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you know, especially fear around anything unfamiliar or outside of
631
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what someone has been taught is acceptable. Something like Reiki,
632
00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:20.559
for example, can be practiced with the intention of helping
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00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.219
someone heal. How loving is that? And yet the word
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00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.360
itself can trigger fear in someone who has been conditioned
635
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.840
to believe that anything outside of their, you know, religious
636
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.519
framework may be dangerous or even evil. And that really
637
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.139
fascinated me because I started asking, where did that fear
638
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.699
actually come from? Is it something this person discovered for
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00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:45.800
themselves or is it something they were taught to fear?
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00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:51.250
And I think that's incredibly an important distinction because fear,
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00:37:51.389 --> 00:37:56.530
conditioning and trauma can be loud. Other people's expectations can
642
00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:59.550
also be loud. And when all of those things are
643
00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:03.019
running through our minds, it becomes difficult to distinguish what
644
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:07.000
is actually ours from what we've absorbed from somewhere else,
645
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.070
you know? And the more I started looking at it,
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the more I realized how much of our lives are
647
00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:15.880
built around being given information and then being expected to
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accept it, memorize it, and repeat it. We learn it
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00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.159
through our families, our schools, our religions, our culture, you know,
650
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.079
really every system. But we're not typically taught to question it.
651
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.820
We're not taught to ask, is this actually true for me?
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Where did this belief come from? Why do I believe this?
653
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.579
And we're definitely not taught how to become quiet enough
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to tune in and listen for ourselves. And that's really
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what my work has become about, not telling people what
656
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:49.800
their truth should be, but helping them clear enough of
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the static to begin recognizing it for themselves. And I
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00:38:53.949 --> 00:38:56.190
wanted to add one more thing. You talked about the
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mustard seed. where Jesus talked about the faith of a
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mustard seed. And I have a little bit of a
661
00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:02.889
different take on that.
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Ooh, let's hear it.
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So when I first heard that verse, I said, oh,
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the mustard seed knows nothing but that it is a
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00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.800
mustard seed. So what is the faith of a mustard seed?
666
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It's 100%. There is no fear, no doubt in that
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00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:23.760
mustard seed. It knows what it is, right?
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It's solid.
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I thought that was interesting. Yeah.
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And that's why we're meant to be social outside of
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social media and connecting with like-minded people. It's because one
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00:39:38.670 --> 00:39:43.230
shift like that could break someone's mind to expand. Hey,
673
00:39:43.269 --> 00:39:45.550
have you ever thought about it like this? Like that
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mustard seed knows what that it's a mustard seed. Like
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it has a knowing it doesn't need to be anything else,
676
00:39:51.630 --> 00:39:55.309
but that exactly. So exquisite. Oh my gosh.
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So good.
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And I love, I love how you framed up fear
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and trauma and conditioning as static. Like you didn't give
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it a, a negative connotation, positive connotation. You just gave
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it a neutral thing because I think especially anger. You know,
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I used to hate it when I was angry and
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then I'm like, okay, I get to harness these big
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emotions and, I love anger. If we had a bag
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of emotions and I could reach in, I'd grab anger
686
00:40:30.889 --> 00:40:34.960
every time because these baseboards would be cleaned here in
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my office, right? I get things done when I'm angry.
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I'm like, I'm going to action this out and action
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this out. So I really appreciated the fact how you
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framed up fear and trauma and conditioning as static. Because
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harnessing the dark and using all of it to alchemize
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and use it for our better good is what we're
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talking about today on Beyond Mindset. So it's so exciting
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that you're here and that you're sharing your truth here
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with our listeners. Do you believe we sometimes already know
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the answer to the question that we're asking or or
697
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but we keep searching outside of ourselves because we don't
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trust what we already know?
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Absolutely. I think more often than not, in fact, I
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would venture to say most of the time, we know
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the answer. We may not like the answer. We want
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to try to find an alternate or we want someone
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00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:36.449
else to take the responsibility of giving us that information.
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But sometimes it can be out of fear. Maybe it's
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a physical ailment you're dealing with and you don't want
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to believe that the symptoms are what you think they are.
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Perhaps it's a relationship that you know is not right,
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but you also fear walking away. I think this applies
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to almost anything in life. We typically know the answer.
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00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:58.449
We just don't always trust it.
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Yeah, we do. I've always had the answers. It's just,
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do I trust it? Now, like you said, in flow state,
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getting that intuitive hit, like if I feel it, I
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know it. I don't, I used to, you know, I
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00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.219
think the government lied to us and told us our
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00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.300
brain was in our head and it's not, it's in
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our gut, right? Our brain is really in our gut.
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And I used to go from my brain to my
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gut to my brain. And now I just go, what
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does my gut say? And then I just act on that.
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And that's, you know, been life-changing for me, right? So
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it's like knowing, yeah, go ahead.
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Oh, I just said, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
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So what has your work taught you about the relationship
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between intuition and consciousness? Like, do you see intuition is
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coming from within, around us or both?
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I think it's both. Although I don't know that I
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even see a clear separation between within us and around
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us anymore, like we were talking about earlier. You know,
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I believe consciousness is much bigger than the thinking mind
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and the physical brain. And if we are a part
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of this field of information I've been talking about, then
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we're not reaching outside of ourselves to find something separate
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from us. We're interacting with something we're immersed in all
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the time. I think of intuition as one of the
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ways consciousness accesses that information. Our brain is constantly processing
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what we, you know, see, hear, touch, taste, smell. But
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I don't believe those five senses represent the limits of
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what we're capable of perceiving. That's where, you know, intuition
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becomes really interesting to me. When information comes to me intuitively,
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it doesn't feel like my mind created it. And there's
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no thought process involved in receiving the answer. So I
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don't really think of Intuition is something that lives inside
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of us. I think of it as an ability we have,
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like a way of receiving information through consciousness from a
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field that we're constantly connected to because we're part of it.
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And that's why becoming quiet is so important. We're not
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trying to think our way to an answer. We're tuning
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out everything that's competing with it so that we can
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recognize it. So to me, intuition is the receiver. I
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think consciousness is what allows us to notice and experience information.
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It's the part of us that is aware that we're sensing, feeling,
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or receiving intuitively. So ultimately, the more conscious and present
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we are, the more easily we can discern between our
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thoughts and our intuition. I love that.
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Your mission, though, goes much deeper than intuition. You teach
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that we're not created flawed or broken and unworthy. And
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we need this message. We need your message and your
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medicine in the world today, because that's what you teach.
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Where do you think people first learn the belief that
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something is wrong with them?
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Yeah, I think we learn it early. And I don't
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think there's one specific place it comes from. I don't
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think a child comes into this world believing they're flawed,
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broken or unworthy. Those are things that we learn throughout
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our experiences. And more importantly, through the meaning we attach
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to those experiences. Maybe another child doesn't want to play
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with you and you decide there must be something wrong
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with me. You know, maybe a parent is emotionally unavailable.
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And instead of understanding what that parent may be going through,
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a child thinks I'm not lovable. Maybe you struggle in
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school and decide I'm not smart or someone criticizes your
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body and suddenly you begin seeing yourself differently. And then
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those little moments start accumulating. We also receive messages from
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our families, religion, school, relationships, culture, all of these different
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places telling us who we should be, how we should look,
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how we should behave and what makes us worthy. And
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eventually those messages become part of the story that we
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tell ourselves about who we are. And that's really where,
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you know, the story of you finding the wisdom within
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came from. I wanted people to go back and look
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at those stories through a different lens because the story
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you created about yourself when you were five or 10
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or 15 years old may never have been the truth
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about you. It may have simply been the only explanation
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you knew how to give an experience at the time. Hmm.
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Yeah. I, that when you were talking there, it made
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me think about last week, my, my 11 year old
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son said, my forehead is ugly and we do a
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lot of conscious parenting. And I said, interesting. I said,
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when did you decide that? And he's like last week.
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I'm like, Oh, okay. So you made a decision last
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week that your forehead is, is ugly I'm all okay
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like we why he goes well I think I have
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a five head instead of a forehead I'm like oh
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my gosh like he spent all of this time deciding
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that his forehead is ugly luckily you know me being
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a conscious parent I could catch this right now but
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back in the 70s and 80s when I was growing
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up our parents were just surviving right they couldn't catch
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where there was a a twist in our thinking. They
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were just like, Oh, go outside and play and you're good.
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You know? And so I really believe what you said
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is like, it's, it's all shaped by our reality and
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that conditioning around us. And it's like, how do we break,
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break free from those limiting beliefs? And this is what
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essentially you teach.
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I teach it's, it's a.
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Limiting belief that's holding us back. What happens is, to
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a person when they spend years trying to fix themselves
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instead of learning to understand themselves. Because that was me.
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I was like, I was broken. I, you know, I
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wasn't worthy. I've spent years trying to fix myself versus
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understanding who I am and why I do what I do.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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I think, you know, when we spend so much time
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trying to fix ourselves, we sort of unintentionally reinforce the
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belief that there was something wrong with us in the
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first place. Yeah, I think we're, you know, we're constantly
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looking for the next thing that will finally make us
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good enough, lovable enough, successful enough, spiritual enough, you know,
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whatever enough looks like for us. But when we stop
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trying to fix ourselves and start trying to understand ourselves,
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like you said, everything changes. You know, I've started treating
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my triggers almost like a game. Instead of judging myself
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for overreacting or having what might be an inappropriate reaction
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to something, I try to see it as an area
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within me asking for a little more attention. And then
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I can dig a little deeper and ask myself, why
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did I overreact? What exactly triggered me? Where did that
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trigger come from? Is there an experience or a belief
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connected to it? And once I begin to understand it,
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I can start to release it. I can look at
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myself with curiosity instead of judgment. Maybe a the behavior
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you've spent years trying to get rid of actually developed
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because at some point in your life, it protected you.
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Maybe the part of yourself you've been judging makes perfect
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sense when you understand the experiences that created it. When
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you love yourself, you treat yourself the way you would
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treat your own child. You don't insult them, look down
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on them or make them feel ashamed for having a
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difficult reaction. You help them understand what happened and learn
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from the situation and grow from it. And that doesn't
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mean that we don't grow or change. Of course we do.
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But there's a huge difference between changing because you believe
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you're broken and growing because you finally understand yourself. And
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I think that's when real self-love becomes possible. You know,
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when you stop treating yourself like a problem that needs
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to be solved and start understanding the story behind that
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actually made you who you are. Wow.
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I love that. After everything you've experienced as a dispatcher,
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an intuitive, a teacher, an author, now the story of you,
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I've already ordered this book. I'm like so intrigued. I
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want to read more of the wisdom within. What do
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you now believe is waiting for us when we finally
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quiet the noise and truly tune in?
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So I think, you know, I want to share just
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a little story really quick. I was driving to an
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appointment one town over at one point a few years ago,
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and I received a message, turn around, go home and
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get a water bottle. And I didn't argue it. I
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went home. I got more instruction, open the garage door,
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close the garage door. Anyway, by the time I got
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back on the road and headed for the appointment, there
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was a four car pileup on the freeway where I
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would have been had I not paid attention to to
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that voice. So I think what's waiting for us is guidance.
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It's been there the whole time. We've just become so
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accustomed to the noise that we've forgotten how to hear it.
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Wow, Vanessa, I know that this conversation with you has
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been absolutely divine. I'm so lucky to have you on
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Beyond Mindset Limits. I know you have thousands and thousands
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of followers on TikTok. We can find you. Tell us
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where our listeners can find you. Where can we get
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your book? Where can we follow you for more? Where
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can we get your courses? Where can our listeners find
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you first and foremost?
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Yeah, I'm on TikTok as the Jesus Frequency. And hopefully
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soon I'll be on YouTube. Same handle. I'm already there.
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I just haven't created any content there yet. And my
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website is findingthewisdomwithin.com.
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Okay, that's great. Finding the Wisdom Within, The Story of You,
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bestselling author. We have Vanessa Rutledge. Thank you so much
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for coming to the show today. Thank you for your medicine.
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Thank you for your magic. Let's change the world together.
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Thank you so much for having me. This has been fantastic.
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Bye now.
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Thank you for joining Tisha Marie Cain for Beyond Mindset Limits.
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