Only in New York Capturing the City in Comics

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Welcome Back, everybody time for Word Balloon. The Comic Conversation
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Show John santris here a great conversation tonight with Dean Haspiel,
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Doug Latino, and Eli Schwab. A fantastic, brand new anthology
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about New York. It's called Real Life Comics Only in
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New York. A fantastic book with an incredible lineup of
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talented cartoonists old and new, people like Bob Fingerman and
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Drew Friedman and Whitney Matheson and so many friends. Jonathan Ames,
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a lot of former Word Balloon guests are on this,
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Vito del Sante among others. And it's really this wonderful collection. Again,
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I say a lot in the description of the project,
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very much like the McSweeney collections of comics we've gotten
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over the years. So it's really nice to see something
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like this come out. There's only three weeks left of
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the Kickstarter campaign. They're about halfway to their goal. It's
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a beautiful hardcover. You can also get a digital, but
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reasonable prices. Twenty for the digital, thirty five for the hardcover.
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But it sounds great and they have fantastic premiums as
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well at the various tiers we talk about that and
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more in this conversation. Now, I will admit things get
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a little political, because Dean likes to stir things up.
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We talk about Alan Moore and his recent comments about
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walking away from comic books. Everybody can handle that. But
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then we get into some Trump talk. So if you're
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a Republican, if you like Trump, you may not like
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this part of the conversation. I don't mind doing it
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when it comes up, but I know that it does
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sometimes offend some of my more conservative listeners and viewers.
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So for that I will apologize in advance. Bail then,
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but don't bail on this amazing anthology and the bulk
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back everybody, time again for Word Balloon, the Comic book
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conversation Show. John Centrists here, happy to talk to the guys.
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Tonight we got Doug Latino, Eli, God bless it, I knew,
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I blank, I'm sorry, Eli.
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That's right, all right, No worries, none at all in.
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Our returning champion, Dean Haspiel. Good to see all of you.
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They're here to talk about a great kickstarter campaign that
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has plenty of time for you to support. But it
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is really cool. Here's the cover, a fantastic hardcover real
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life comics only in New York. Dozens of New York
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contributors to this amazing anthology. It has a real McSweeney's
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vibe in the best way for those of us who
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love our a whoops, fucked me, all right, I just
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want to make sure I burked for a second, the
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the the online thing burke for a second. I'm like, fuck,
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we lost it. We lost the segnal Jesus damn you
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Elon Musk and your starlight bullshit. All right, anyway, okay,
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my Mousk, you know exactly, real life comics only in
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New York, fantastic anthology Forward and Comics by Drew Friedman.
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So already the pedigree grows up, goes up. But there's
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a lot of We're balloon friends, uh in this collection,
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and we'll rattle through guys. First of all, welcome and uh,
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junk ball, how did how did this project start?
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First of all, thanks so much John for having us on.
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I think are we even one week into it? No,
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like a few days into the kickstarter?
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Yeah, only about four days, three days, four days.
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And we already got half of the initial goal, which
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is awesome. Of course, you know the way kickstarters work
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is you always uh, your goal is always less than
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what you really want. So hopefully we can, you know,
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make the goal and double it. Hey, carry, how you doing?
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Good to see you, Manny. What's up already? People hopping
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on listen to us?
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How about that? Huh? And you're you know, you're not wrong, John,
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I had not heard.
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The McSweeney's reference yet, and I attribute that to Doug. Doug,
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you want to talk a little bit about your vision
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of the book because because we're the co curators and
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co editors and Eli's the publisher.
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Yeah, and John, thank you too for having us. It's
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great to be on your show. And uh yeah, So
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I have my own autobiographical comic called Wait it gets
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Worse than publishing it self. Publishing it for about fourteen
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years with Gideon Kendall, who's an amazing artist. And I've
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always wanted to work with Dean for I've known him
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for probably about that long, and I thought, you know,
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how could we do this and just love you know,
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I'm a New Yorker, I've been in New Yorker for
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over thirty years now, and just love the you know,
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the fabric that makes up New York and just kind
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of noticing, you know, whenever somebody tells a story about
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some amazing thing that happens in New York, it always
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kinds of ends with or begins with, you know, that
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could only happen in New York, which, by the way,
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we explore that question and those questions, is there really,
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you know, such a thing as an only in New
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York story? We've concluded and editorialized that there is. But
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so I thought about this with Dean. Pitched it to
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Dean probably seven years ago before COVID, and we even
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had lunch with the big time graphic novel publisher and
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he bought us lunch and was pitching ideas to us,
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almost like, hey, what about Manhattan, what about Brooklyn? You know,
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kind of he was thinking of a series right away,
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even in that lunch, and then kind of just didn't
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get traction there for probably about a year. And that
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was probably about a year before COVID and so then
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everything kind of went and I just when time passed,
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thought to crank it up with Dean again, and luckily
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he said yes and his calendar was open enough, and
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so also Doug.
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You had published your collection with Eli, Yes, and that
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was one of the reasons why you wanted to I
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guess restart this idea was because of your relationship and
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your experience with Eli. And I remember you approaching me.
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I was like, wait, what are we doing? We're going
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to talk about this book again. And the weird thing
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about this book is I can't believe that this is
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an annual fair since the invention of comic books.
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You know, New York Stories? Are you kidding me?
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Are we one of the only Is this one of
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the first times that an official kind of graphic an
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anthology about New York Stories proper is happening. I mean,
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there are New York Stories right throughout memoirs and whatnot,
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but to actually have a proper anthology is in twenty
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twenty six, Are you kidding me?
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And probably no better topic really for an anthology or
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a theme than New York City with all its diversity
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and just all the crazy things that go on here
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and so that was kind of it does feel not
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like a no brainer for sure, and I was so
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thrilled that Eli was also.
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Interested to work with us too. Thank you again, Eli, guys.
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You know it was great work with Doug and Gideon
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on way it gets worse Dean. I was just a
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fan of his and it was just a great opportunity,
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you know, just to say, I mean it's a great
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stepping point, a great thing to do. You know, Cosmic
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Line is a growing company and working with bigger and
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bigger people and just trying you know, I'm not above
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saying it was like a bit of a business move
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to you know, like working with these amazing guys and
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just another something that can step up. And again my
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love for New York City as well. I only lived
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there one year in total, but I traveled there throughout
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my lifetime, and you know, we had a business there
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and we you know, I installed Norton anti virus on
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one hundred and fifty computers when I was eight years old,
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uh for New York for X Men Comics pay you know,
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so like that My first job ever was in New
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York City.
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Wait a minute, you're gonna have to explain that that's.
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What my dad was, Well, my dad was the I
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T guy for our business, and so we had a
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New York office and there was something going on where
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he needed a new version of Norton Anti virus uh
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installed on every single computer in that in the building.
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And so he knew he could trust me because yeah,
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I was good at computers, you know, ever since a
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young age, since he was you know, he was a
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punch cards and on type of dude, you know. So
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uh so he's just like, go do it. And if
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you do it, you know, I'll take you to Toys
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r us or to Midtown Comics whatever you want and
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and get you what. And so I did it. I
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installed every I was like maybe eight or nine, you know,
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and I think it was all X Men comics for
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a pay. And so, you know, just like New York,
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things like that like only happened in New York, you know,
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it only happened to me in New York. And so
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to honor New York with a tale with these two
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amazing guys, and you know, a great business opportunity for CLP.
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So it was not a no brainer. I think it's
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a three brainer at least that our three brains got
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together and made it amazing well.
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And then also when you do an anthology, you don't
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know what you're going to get.
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It's like filming a documentary.
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You know, you go into it thinking, you know, you
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have a theme and an idea, but then what you
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actually get is usually super unexpected. And it was a
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great surprise a lot of the stuff that we got,
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you know.
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I don't know how much.
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You know, we had some editorial oversight over certain things
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like how far you want to push something or allow
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something in, or what you're trying to, you know, get
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more out of a story, you know, because sometimes the
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story is just an encounter, you know, because of the
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crossroad that is New York City on planet Earth right right.
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So, you know, I keep thinking about the movie after hours.
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After hours is absurd, but it's such a New York story,
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Like those things could have happened in twenty four hours,
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in that night and day, you know, And it's not
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like every story is going to be like that. But
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the fact for the potential for things like that to happen,
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and the fact that there's these intersections that are constantly
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because of the different cultures that you're constantly stumbling upon,
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you know, and appropriating, not in a bad way, but
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you become that becomes your culture.
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You know, I'm a New Yorker.
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One of the things I just wrote today a quote
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for a press release where I'm a native New Yorker,
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I was born here. I don't know what it's like
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to come to New York for the first time, right,
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And you always hear that story, Oh what was it
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like when you first came here and what happened?
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Right?
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And what this book did for me is it it
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made me a virgin. It made me like a New
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York virgin again in a way, you know, like I
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was able to see some other people's stories that were like,
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you know, either the first time or you know of
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Vito del Sante, who you know wrote wrote the premise
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behind his New York stories that New York is not
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a real place.
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And in a way he's right, you know, absolutely, No.
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I love this, all of your networking experiences, all three
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of you bringing together all these different people and stuff.
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How many strangers came to the project that you've never
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worked with before.
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You want to take that one, Dean, Well, I think
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you brought in more strangers.
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In fact, you brought in people who have never written
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a column book before. A few of those, well, yeah.
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Let's describe.
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There were people that Dean brought in that I didn't know,
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and then there were people I brought in that Dean
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didn't know. But really it wasn't like an open call
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for stories. We really did pick the people that we
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were interest sit in working with. And you know, got
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turned down a few times for sure, but I was
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more early on, I would say. You know, in fact,
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one person who turned me down initially was Drew Friedman.
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I had met Drew at a con somewhere promoting one
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of his books, and he was the kindest, like gentlest guy.
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Just it really had an impression on me because I
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was excited to see him. I knew him from Spy
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covers that he had done. And I was like, oh
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my god, I get to meet Drew Friedman and he
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signed a poster for me, and I just never forgot
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that and always similarly like, I wonder if I could
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ever figure out a way, you know, to like connect
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with him again. And I pitched him on the on
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the book, and at first he said no, he was like,
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thank you so much, Doug, but I've got a lot
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going on. And then I think the way it went
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was and maybe followed up about a month later and
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was like, hey, what about the forward? And he got
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right back to me and then even offered have an illustration,
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So there's an illustration facing the forward. And then he
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came to us to say, hey, I've got an idea
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for another story. You know, what do you guys think?
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for three seconds before we said yes, of course. And
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so that's that is the story that he is in
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the well of the book. That's not the one facing
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the forward, but it's it's really an interesting story, just
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classic Drew, I would say, sort of a Vudvillian, you know,
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fifties star kind of forgotten maybe by most people. Lu
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Jacobi and Drew joined up with his archives and it's
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the story of how that happened. And wow to Drew,
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Yeah, I can't wait to read that. That's fantastic. No,
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Lujacobe really funny cameo and Arthur really funny cameo in
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my favorite year. But yeah, his prime was really I
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think fifties and sixties. But he would pop up in
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movies all through us. The old Walter Mathel Meg Ryan
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book about Uncle Albert Einstein and his cute little cronies,
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and lu Jacobe was one of the cronies. And I've
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had the pleasure of having Drew Friedman on the show
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a couple of times. Last time was that History of
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the Underground Comics that he put out there? All right,
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but no, but really royalty from Friedman and Bob Fingerman
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to some younger people as well, and old friends like
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Veto and Whitney Matheson I see in there, and you
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know John Ames, Jonathan Ames.
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I'd like to send a shout out to Sarah Grillo,
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who's in there too. She's an amazing artist that you
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guys that Doug knew and I worked with at a
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club in Burlington, Vermont maybe twenty years ago, and we
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both used to talk about comics and used to talk
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about art, and she just happened to kind of come
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back into our orbit.
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Yeah, total coincidence. You know, how I met Sarah at
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a anti war protest. I admired a sign that she
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had created. So this was, you know, I don't know,
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twenty ten or twenty fourteen or something. And and you know,
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my wife was with me, so I felt comfortable to
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ask Sarah. You know, it's like I was like coming
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on to her or trying to get her phone number
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or something. Sarah, I was like, I really, look, it
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was that point where I'm a writer constantly on the
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lookout to work with artists, and we've had the best
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friendship since then. She's been in four or five of
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the Way It gets Worse issues, and man, she took
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a leap forward with this story. It's one of our
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like sort of that big New York story. We really
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only had one or two that mentioned COVID and Sarah
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her story is centered around her COVID experience, the lockdown experience.
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I really I don't think she got COVID, but sort
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of the lockdown and her art is just simply amazing.
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I think she's going to be, you know, up definitely
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an up and comer in comics land.
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It's funny because I thought that we would get like
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a bunch of just kind of personal and it's all
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personal stories.
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Amazing the amount of stories that like feature a person
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that is well known, right or a group that's well known,
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because that's also part of the encounter thing, you know,
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like and Danny Hellman did an incredible story about his
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time working at Screw magazine. But also it serves as
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the biography of Al Goldstein, you know, and you gotta
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have al go.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, we can't, we can't just
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gloss over Al Goldstein and Screw Magazine featured in the
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Woody Allen movie Bananas in a very funny scene buying
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porn and all right, let's see us. So the USA
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World News and Report Life magazine. Hey, Charlie, how much
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you Scurow magazine? Which one squirrew? Oh? Yeah, it's two bucks.
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And of course what do you have set that it's
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been outed for having perversions with Screw. But talk about
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Al Goldstein for a second.
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Oh, just that he tells the story from you know,
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when he first Danny first started working at Screw to uh,
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his unfortunate Alghosi's unfortunate you.
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Know, demise basically you know South Yeah.
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So, but also it's also like a time capsule for technology,
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like when you would have to use an exact O
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knife and we didn't you know, have you know, photoshop
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and that kind of stuff. And you know, he explains
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that and he puts that in there, and he talks
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about being at a party with Tony Millionaire where Tony
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Millionaire had sex with a slice of pizza.
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You know, like, wow, that's right.
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And and there's the things we could say in that
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show and what we could show would not say.
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And you know it was a good.
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Balance, uh in that And and then like Doug's story
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is an encounter, Uh that that's that's a lot of fun.
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Still.
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Yeah, kind of maybe how I got Drew's attention to
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because I shared a real short synopsis of my story.
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Who I work with Tony Wolf, who's also a Cosmic
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Lyon alum and has a great actor voice actor, also
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cartoonist and writer.
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And who do you play in the super Bowl commercial?
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I think John would know.
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Oh yeah, it was two years ago.
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There was a big kind of Super Bowl commercial where
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he plays like a famous football coach or somebody doesn't
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he It.
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Was a ten minute film. You know how Sunday they
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have six or eight hours of broadcast time. They have
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to fill those hours. And it was the game was
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in Las Vegas, you know where the Raiders are, and
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so Tony looked like a younger Al Davis and got
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the part and had a Brooklyn accent in there. It
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was incredible. So he was on National TV for ten
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ten minutes and featured. Really it was really a story
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about It was Al Davis's story, and that was Tony
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was really great.
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But the story, Cray Adventure. Is your preview in the
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preview that you sent me my story? Yeah, no, the
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preview that I sent out. I'm sorry, I mean interrupt.
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I just wanted to show a visual if we had
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a visual. Oh yeah, thank you, I've got one ready
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for Dean. But no, please tell me about your story. Well.
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Yeah, so I've worked at the New York Times for
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thirty years and on the business side, I always feel
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compelled to say, not a journalist, but got to rub shoulders.
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We met incredible people. Was kind of rose through the
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ranks high enough that I got to work with the
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newsroom and whatnot. But actually had an encounter with Gay
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Talise on the elevator at the Times.
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Wow.
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And the story takes a fun twist. I won't give
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away the spoiler, but really kind of a funny turn
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in that story sort of based on a famous his
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most famous story probably that he wrote after he left
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The New York Times. Frank Sinatra has a cold ye,
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so ran An Esquire still taught in journalism schools today apparently, but.
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Still online today to easy to grab everybody if you
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want to read some incredible biography, journalism and stuff. This
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amazing story of Sinatra. Keep going, so just real quick.
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Drew's father was like a contemporary of gay to Lease,
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and so I was kind of in his world a
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little bit there, you know, and caught his eye with that,
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I think. And so that's one of the sort of
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ways and connections that we made with with Drew.
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That's cool. No, that's amazing. Man. Here, I gotta I
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gotta show before we get off topic. Here's here's a
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little slice of Dean's art from his story. Yeah, and
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you know what, I don't know who pointed it out.
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I don't remember.
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I don't know if it was Eli, Doug or someone else.
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But they were really upset with the fact that I'm
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man spreading in this subway. I don't man spread personally,
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I don't because I'm super aware of it. But the
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guy next to me kind is man spreading. She's full
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of her legs. And the other guy I feel awful
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about that drawing right now.
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We only had to draw more people and you would
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have had to draw five from that vantage point if
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you if you were all typed together.
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That's true, And in a way that was the point
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I was making in that piano was the you know,
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the strange thighs that you touch and all this stuff.
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It's called Bullpoint pen my story, and it involves a
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couple of encounters that honestly I felt was like, well,
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what does make an only in New York story?
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Now, there are other obvious cities that have transportation and
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trains and whatnot, and this could have happened there as well,
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but this just felt like a sweet spot. And you know,
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I've been writing and drawing New York stories for years.
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then collecting the Beef of Tomato before that with Keyhole,
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back in the day with Josh Neufeld, when I would
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do Autobio, obviously it was.
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New York, Manhattan, Brooklyn type stories.
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And then I collected that into Opposable Thumbs that garnered
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me my first Eyer nomination for they don't have this
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war anymore?
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But it was talent deserving of wider recognition.
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So I felt like I already won the award by
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just getting you know, uh tagged right as it were.
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said Oscar, but Eisner, which is the Oscars of comics.
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Was trying to figure out what would I contribute to
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the book, because one of the things we wanted to
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do was keep the story short so we could get
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a bunch of people in in less than a year, right,
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because you're asking someone to do a longer story, you know, uh,
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and without much of an advance and monetarily you know.
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the six page you know, with permission and they were
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granted because there was some some bigger stories. So I
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was trying to figure out what's a good short story.
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because after I had done like working with.
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Johnathan Aames, Harvey Peakar and n. A.
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Lopez and having done my own stories, I just wanted
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to draw like superheroes having sex and outer space you.
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it was fun to come back to it.
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Like like the the caveats that come with autobio, which
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is culpability, timing. You know, you can if it, if
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it if it's if it's fishy, it smells wrong. You know,
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it's gotta it's got to feel right, you know, plausible
486
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that even when it's crazy, it has to feel plausible,
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you know, whereas a superhero comic, you're waiting for the crazy,
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you know, bring on the crazy kind of thing, you know.
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And I regret now in hindsight that we didn't get
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Eli to write and draw uh a short story, because
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you're you're like, you're you're one of the you know,
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the posse here.
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You know.
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I know I should next next issue perhaps if we
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have one. But I at least got to write a outro,
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which I was honored to write. And so I got
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in there, I was you know, I did start feeling
498
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a little bit like shit, I missed the opportunity. I
499
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missed a chance to like put something in this book,
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or you know, be a part of such an amazing project.
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And like I said, I love New York as well,
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so you know, that's part of why I pushed myself
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in on that outro. But again, you know, my whole
504
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family came into this country through New York, and so
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it's like in my blood, you know, Ellis.
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And what am I? What am I?
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It didn't occur to me to I as well, Schwab.
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Isn't there a New York institution? Something in Schwab? Or
509
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am I getting it wrong?
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I mean there's like Schwab's Pharmacy, which is like an
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LA thing.
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That's what I'm like, where Lana Turner was discovered at
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Schwab's drug store.
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And my father would get food with my godmother, Shelly
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Winters at Schwabs, which is why I remember the name.
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Shelley Winters from The Mask Rest in Peace, Sam Keith.
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And The Max.
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Yes, right, wait, Shelly Winters was in The Max.
519
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That's the character name.
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But oh I didn't realize that. See I'm not a
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I'm not a Max guy. But sorry, my godmother was
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just a two two Oscar two time Oscar Ward.
523
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.839
Well, that's sorry, I forgot that. I forgot that.
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I'm saying a little bit that we're finding out, you
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know here in public, that you wanted to have a
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story in there.
527
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.000
Oh, no, I should have, but again there's there's too
528
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much talent in there. You know. I'm a little more
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behind the scenes at this point in my career, but
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I hope to, you know, come out from behind the
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curtains soon.
532
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And well, there was.
533
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Another thing, John, another thing about that. That was a
534
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nice not necessarily coincidence. But one of our tea is
535
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one of our rewards is a it's called the Bodega,
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00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.799
which is you know, real life comics only New York.
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00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.240
Plus I think you get a print, a print of
538
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the cover, but also you get three other Cosmic Lion
539
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books if you want to talk a little bit about that.
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00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.880
Eli, I'd love to. Yeah, three of the other creators
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that are in the book, including Doug and Gideon's book
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Weight It Gets Worse, which then again also features a
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bunch of other people including Sarah and I'm sure Tony Yeah,
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Tony Wolf. And then, like you said, you get Tales
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from the Wolf. Tony Wolf's book featuring his award winning
546
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Green Point of View comics, as well as some of
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his New Yorker stories, his classic Mick Rib Yeah New
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York Times Tales, his Mic Rib story, his story about
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delicious desserts and stuff.
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And arguably anything he's ever drawn.
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00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.680
I think many many things, many protests comics as well,
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00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.279
anti Trump stuff and uh superhero stuff as well. And
553
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:09.640
then also Bob Fingerman's print Topia, which we are now
554
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:14.880
in the the Fingerman business, uh Cosmic Line Productions. Shout
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00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.680
out to all the fingerheads out there. Bob said that
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I could start calling him that, and uh, so we
557
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.559
have we have two new Bob Fingerman books that are
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00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.720
in the works, and uh, we have a bunch of
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00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.319
stuff that we're about to announce, uh, including like I
560
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.599
helped Bob clean out his storage unit and there's a
561
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.319
lot of really cool stuff in there for the fingerheads
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out there. So shout out the fingerheads anyway. So that's
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one thing. And then also there's a.
564
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Wait, let me ask you real quick.
565
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.960
When you send out a Bob Fingerman email update, is
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it called a finger blast?
567
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:48.960
It is?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, my fingerhead dude.
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Would encourage me like this, Okay you.
571
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.880
Uh no, But I think that's where these are all
572
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.880
great things that I think, Bob we're gonna have to
573
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.640
pick up on.
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It really is this great collection of different styles and
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00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.440
also yeah, I mean different backgrounds. So yeah, you got
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Fingerman and Drew Friedman from Mad the Mad Lumps that
577
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made it in the book. Peter Peter Cooper, Peter Peter. Yeah.
578
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.640
We by the way, he had some has had some
579
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smorking man the later manh yeah.
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So there's there's a stout out Folkslop. I can't wait
581
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to see you on Wednesday. My dude, he's coming in.
582
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Another all right, I love it all all the quoted
583
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UH chat here. Will McCool, a big kind of sort
584
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.079
of underground comics, is very excited for this uh project
585
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.200
and also uh says uh he once shared an elevator
586
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with Saul Bellow, so he's got to be a New
587
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York's Oh you know what, Okay, this is really interesting
588
00:30:54.279 --> 00:31:00.839
that you're saying that Cogo is Chicago Chicago. Me yea
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00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.400
Chicago Chicago. You're right about it.
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00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.519
So one of our rewards is is it the New
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00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.640
York state of mind where you can hop on a
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00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.359
zoom with us?
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Yes?
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00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:10.680
Do you know?
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00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.960
So we have the New York state of Mind reward,
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and someone like Will might want to if he has
597
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.319
the shekels, might want to get that reward because one
598
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.039
of the things we're going to do is do a
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00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.160
zoom where we talk a little bit about the book,
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but anybody who joins us is going to share New
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York stories. Or maybe when he said he met Saul Bellow,
602
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.799
I assume he did he meet in Chicago. But you
603
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.240
could tell a story like that, Yeah, Chicago, but you
604
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.079
could you could share a story like that. It doesn't have
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00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.599
to be strictly in New York. It's just telling cool stories,
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you know. Like, but we are going to get encourage
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people to tell their New York stories, even if it
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wasn't ever written and drawn, you know, I mean, that's
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that's what we all do. We share stories around the campfire,
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the bar wherever.
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00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.480
Awesome thanks will come on. And Uh, I want to
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talk about the ultimate uh premium that you guys can do,
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00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.079
the Schwitz, which literally is if you know your Yiddish
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00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.519
and you know your steam rooms exactly what it sounds like.
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00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:10.799
Go ahead, describe the Schwitz.
616
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.359
Go ahead, Dean, it's your brain child.
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00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.519
Well, I've always wanted to, and we had we had
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to remove one thing I've always wanted to in a
619
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kickstarter or a reward.
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00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:23.920
We're not going to tell you what the one thing
621
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is though, but you no, no.
622
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.759
No, no, no no, And it's not as bad as it sounds.
623
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.319
It's just like in the world we live in, I
624
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.279
wanted to you had to sign an NDA and bring
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00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:36.079
a bathing suit.
626
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.160
Right, that's the reward, right, that's the level.
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00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.400
And then you find out, oh, we're just all going
628
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.680
to a Russian Turkish bathhouse and you know, sitting in
629
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.920
a hot tub together and share stories. Right, But it
630
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.640
sounds more provocative if you say you have to sign
631
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an NDA and bring a bathing suit.
632
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.079
Right. So in the spirit of that, we have the
633
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.359
Schwitz okay, and the Schmitz is that me and Doug
634
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.519
and I wish he like could if he happens to
635
00:32:59.519 --> 00:32:59.960
be in New York.
636
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.559
I'm definitely coming in for one.
637
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.359
You have to.
638
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.279
You have to, especially since one of the people that
639
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.200
took the Schwitz forward is his father.
640
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:14.200
So we're gonna probably and then you got to be there.
641
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.400
But but is to go to the to a real
642
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.000
New York institution, which is the Russian Turkish bath house,
643
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.000
which sounds weird because I said in New York and
644
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.279
then I said Russian Turkish. But that's what's also makes
645
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.039
New York, right, and then maybe we'll go we'll eat
646
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.559
Parogi's or maybe you go to Katsas Delhi or something,
647
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:33.599
you know, like whatever.
648
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:35.440
Have what he's having.
649
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.880
If you doing it exactly exactly, Yes, no, I love it.
650
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:44.079
And then I've I've done. I've done the bath housing
651
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.839
very eastern promises. If we remember the big Mortons, so
652
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.480
without the violence in the.
653
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.160
A nude a nude vigo, right, a nude Viggo Mortensen,
654
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.400
like yes, taking people down, all right, I like that.
655
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.640
It says well description of it. It's as steep in
656
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.039
creative juices.
657
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.679
So yeah, that's where the magic happens.
658
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.639
Many spill the tea of creativity.
659
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:16.719
Maybe maybe it rubs off maybe in the in the Schitz,
660
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.880
some of that creativity rubs off on the it's all Exfolians.
661
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.840
It's all its Folian, Okay, I believe.
662
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.440
Yeah, for the Spitz, but it's gonna be well worth
663
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.280
it and an experience you will never forget.
664
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.760
Yeah, and I think at least your sandwich isn't going
665
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to be included in that.
666
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.880
Five hundred Oh absolutely, of course there you go, of course,
667
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.719
or you're though that that that wouldn't be although although
668
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.159
the although the corn beef would keep good in the.
669
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.079
In the steam. It was stay juicy, Let's stay juicy.
670
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.880
I'm more of a pastrami guy myself, but sure, Yeah,
671
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.519
what's the distinction. I'm sorry to have this conversation, but
672
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:00.599
I've had. But I definitely like pastrami much better than
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corn beef.
674
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.519
It's got more texture.
675
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:07.320
Thing and it's less exterior. Right. I think it's the
676
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.239
the Brian and the and the the texture like.
677
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.159
Place on top on the slice it. Yeah, there's like
678
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.039
that crush.
679
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.280
Yeah, there's no rub on, just regular corn beef.
680
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.599
Yeah, rub off on corn beef.
681
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.800
You started, Well, that's your deal. You want to make
682
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.360
a love of your sandwich, that's your problem.
683
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.480
As Tony Millionaire did it, I don't want to do it.
684
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:38.840
I mean right, it's in the book, right, I'm holding
685
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:43.320
a copy. This is a dummy copy that Doug printed
686
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.960
at a friend's printer, so it's not the actual printer
687
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that we're using.
688
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.960
And ours is going to be a hardcover. This is
689
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cover and just to.
690
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.119
Kind of get a look at it to see how
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you know, it was put together. I don't do this
692
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with my products because I you know, it's just a
693
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little luxurious.
694
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.239
Doug did an amazing job laying the book out.
695
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.079
I mean Doug is doing listen.
696
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.719
I was just worried about the stories, and Doug was
697
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.920
more concerned.
698
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.679
With and this is a Cynthia Vombueler page.
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He was concerned with, like how things looked, you know,
700
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next to each other, and adding other kind of interstitial drawings.
701
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.320
And this year's some Peter Cooper right here. The thing
702
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.760
that's cool about the Peter Cooper story is that we
703
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.960
also have a Ben Catcher story that talks that intersects
704
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the same incident that happened. I don't It's just kind
705
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.599
of incredible to see two points of view from the
706
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same incident. You know, we got Rick Parker driving cable work.
707
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:50.920
At a Marvel Comics you know he did, right, that's right. Yeah,
708
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:59.000
it's a it's a very story Stevens with with Jonathan Ames.
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That's the first space coming up the steps of a subway.
710
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.559
We had some cool subway stories, not too many. I
711
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.719
thought we would get more, but that's okay.
712
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.960
I mean that could be its own anthology, just subway stories, right.
713
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.079
Yeah, wasn't that an HBO series at some point?
714
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Probably? Probably?
715
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.639
There's so much cool stuff here, looks chast I mean
716
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.079
talk about New Yorker, right.
717
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.679
Please cool? Yeah, honestly, guys, I could scroll down the
718
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Kickstarter preview to get yeah, definitely pig your images and stuff.
719
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So let's do that all on a minute. All right.
720
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So there's Deans, there's Dean's panel from his thing, and
721
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then we got Drew with the story of lu Jacobi
722
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now ran Ranny.
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So oh yeah, this is a this is a subway story.
724
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This is a great subway story.
725
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I love this.
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00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.039
She does a great job building tension to this very interesting,
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you know climax.
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00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:55.960
Great story, and it kind of has like a little
729
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.320
bit of a Tintin feel to it, you know, like
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00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.440
definitely she does. Absolutely she does. It's great.
731
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.639
Ben Granoff, yep, that a great the co host of
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00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.480
the Devil in Detail, the Grendel Reread podcast with me
733
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.280
as well as UH comics teacher and amazing guy.
734
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.440
And we had to have a story about graffiti, you know,
735
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:17.800
we had to have graffiti.
736
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.079
Yeah, thank Yeah.
737
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.639
And then Bob Fingerman told this story about when he
738
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:24.480
was Dondee.
739
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.119
I mean, when he was a young kid.
740
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.239
He kind of looked like Dodie.
741
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.559
Though Dodd had and it's such a New York strip
742
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.679
Irwin Haysen. I had the pleasure of meeting him at
743
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.000
one of the New York comic cons and I told
744
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.000
him my sister and I would read Dondee every every
745
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.199
week in the Chicago Tribune and especially the Sunday section,
746
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.840
and that poor unadopted kid. It's like, find that kid
747
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.719
of family. My god, he's been a war refugee since
748
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.119
nineteen forty six, my god. And truly, I'm like and
749
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.280
he used to make us cry when we read Dondie,
750
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:04.480
and he was so happy and the blackest eyes, and
751
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.239
he did very much.
752
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.280
One of our crime stories too, By the way, what's
753
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.440
that a crime? It's a story about crime, crime, a
754
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:14.280
crime story.
755
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.960
Yeah, fantastic, All right, let's keep going here.
756
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.719
Yeah, Bob can use colors for mood there.
757
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:28.079
Oh yeah, yeah. Got Keith Knight talks about Uh, it's
758
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:29.639
involves Spike.
759
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.639
Lee, who's also very much a New Yorker, you know,
760
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.079
so cool.
761
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.199
Here we go. There's Cynthia's a story that we were
762
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:39.360
talking about.
763
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.280
Yeah, I mean when she proposed the story, I was like, oh,
764
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.760
my god, of course, absolutely, And it's weird. It's it's
765
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.760
also a little weird, but a New York pigeon. Come on,
766
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.360
you know, between that and a pizza rat, you can't
767
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:54.639
be more New York, right.
768
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.639
Any any roach stories in the book books, No included
769
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:08.320
Gary Dumb Gary Dumb story. Yeah, that's right. And then
770
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.400
this is the page from Danny Hellman's Screws story.
771
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:19.360
He's great. Yeah, it is magnum opus. I think Julia word.
772
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:27.519
Very cool. Again. This is why I made the McSweeney comparison,
773
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.840
because you get all these wonderful different styles and these
774
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.039
concise stories. It's great, guy, It's true it.
775
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.800
Yeah, we're very proud of it. Like this, we stick by.
776
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.960
We stand by every story in this book.
777
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.639
This, this is special. I met.
778
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.800
I met Willie Mendez, Barbara Willie Mendez a couple of
779
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.239
years ago at Juice, which I think, I guess doesn't
780
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.079
exist anymore.
781
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.199
But it's it's it's coming.
782
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.719
Back, it's transitioning. It'll be in Cleveland in July. But
783
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:58.960
it's we called something else.
784
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.599
And of course I had read about her and what
785
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.079
a what a just like a really lovely cool woman
786
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.880
there with the you know, all the all the big
787
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.039
hitters from the undergrounds in the sixties and seventies, and
788
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.199
it's a story of her sneaking into a Bob Dylan concert.
789
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.440
It's so good, and it was talking about.
790
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.679
And she does not work digitally, you know what I mean,
791
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.880
Like and hers was one of the first stories to
792
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.639
come in. She shipped across the country. Just felt like
793
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.960
I still have it. I asked her, could I keep
794
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.840
the original pages until the book gets printed, just in case?
795
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:32.280
And she was like, sure, no.
796
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.679
I'll buy those off you. Doug, Yeah, I have I
797
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.840
have these original I thought you said that.
798
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.639
Yeah, yeah, just like I.
799
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.320
By the way, I already did ask her if she's
800
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.880
going to be selling them because I might want to
801
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.119
buy one, but she said yes.
802
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.199
Yeah, yeah, really cool, Yeah, really cool. Can People in
803
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.760
the Tears is of original art at all part of
804
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:53.440
the kids?
805
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.199
No, No, we talked about it, but it would be
806
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.480
like if you have fifty one stories, that would be
807
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.960
fifty one offers, and they'll be fifty one tiers, you know,
808
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.440
like and everyone have a different like what they would
809
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.639
want from it and how much would go towards the campaign.
810
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.360
I mean we've talked kickstarters before, John and like, and
811
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:12.920
I know Eli has done a bunch.
812
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000
I think dougs that maybe one or two before.
813
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.800
And you know, I've got now five under my belt,
814
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.800
but each one is a little bit different and they
815
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.920
have different expectations, and it's it's difficult. It's not easy,
816
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.440
you know, because I'm a creative guy, and then that
817
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:28.880
suddenly put on a business hat.
818
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.920
It's it's a whole other ball of wax, you know.
819
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.960
But as you guys know, that's business. Yeah, but that's where, unfortunately,
820
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.880
where comics are, and especially for I think underground comic
821
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:45.239
guys like yourselves and everything in terms of underground pejorative
822
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.519
and I don't you know, I mean, you guys wear
823
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.079
and I'm sure.
824
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:53.159
There I have a proud underground overground whatever you would
825
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.960
call it, you know, these days.
826
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.519
But it really is fascinating to talk to people from
827
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.440
Dennis Kitchen to modern guys like yourselves that are doing
828
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.800
this stuff and seeing the trajectory of underground comics and
829
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.480
where they've gone and the times that they have had
830
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.320
that boutique exposure like a McSweeney to where we are now.
831
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.119
Where honestly, and really it's not just the underground. Everybody
832
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.079
in comics, especially in the creator own world. You got
833
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.480
to toot your own horn man, and you got to
834
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.760
be a businessman more than ever.
835
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:26.920
Well, we've also been having conversations about we have a
836
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.440
Kickstarter right now, but it will also be a mass
837
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.239
market book, right, and then dealing with the old systems
838
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.880
of like let's say publishers weekly or the stores, and
839
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.559
how do you get a review?
840
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.920
Well, can you get a review for a kisstarter comic?
841
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.760
Not necessarily, but you know, because it works in conjunction
842
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.840
with selling books, you know, physical media, you know, like
843
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:50.000
like in the store.
844
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.280
Meaning there's a whole scheme, you know, pyramid schemer.
845
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.119
What do you want to call it?
846
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.840
You know, between distribution, publisher, distributor promotion store, right, and
847
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.239
trying to convince people, Oh no, I'll just mail it
848
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.599
to your house. But then is that a real book
849
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.480
or is that a fanzine? Like you know, people's perceptions
850
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.719
kind of you know, because we have the old ways.
851
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:11.000
You know.
852
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:15.719
I remember when my phone rang, you know, with the
853
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.480
receiver and and I didn't know who was calling, and
854
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.840
I pick it up and say, hello, I don't know who.
855
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.199
Now people text each other to ask if they can call.
856
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:31.000
Yeah, you know, like so different. You're right, but I
857
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.239
mean you can tell from the cover here the fact
858
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.559
that it is going to be a hardcover and everything.
859
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.400
I mean, that's and that is the great thing about crowdfunding.
860
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.480
You can really present it in this you know, high
861
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.039
quality presentation, which.
862
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.320
Evidence now there's evidence of it, like like between Kickstarter
863
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.320
or other crowdfunders are like Zoop, you know, like Eli,
864
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.920
you did Printopia through Zoup, right, Bob Fingerman's Prnopia.
865
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.679
Uh no, he did his own. That's some business you're
866
00:44:58.679 --> 00:44:59.320
in through Zoop.
867
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.719
That's what it is. That's some business you're in. That's right,
868
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.719
And that's probably what he's with you now instead of Zoop.
869
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:08.440
So very good for you. I always take the opportunity
870
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.400
to ship on Zoop for a minute's Oh that's right.
871
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.079
I'm sorry, John, I shouldn't. No, no, no, you know, opportunities,
872
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.920
that's quite all right, you know. S. I'm sure Zoop
873
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.519
has had lovely relationships with a lot of creators there.
874
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.119
I haven't worked with them yet, I haven't. I have.
875
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.320
I have backed some projects though, so sure, Oh no,
876
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.599
they did, hey man, I'll even see it. They did
877
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:38.239
the Wintermen for the late great John Ja Yes, John
878
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:44.559
Poleon exactly. Yeah, beautiful presentation of John's Wintermen and it's
879
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.079
a deluxe very gorgeous thing. So there's a great zoop
880
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.559
campaign that happened. Here you go, there you go, Yeah,
881
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:51.159
this is nice.
882
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:53.400
Beant the room.
883
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.440
Yeah, wait for the elephant in the room. Can you
884
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.960
remind us why you Oh, it's so long of a
885
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.599
it really is. I mean, I'll tell you guys off
886
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.320
there if you want. Oh, well, I wonder if this
887
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:06.840
is a comment from one of the soup guys. Hold
888
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.280
on a second. No, but Eric Will Will and I'm
889
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.280
telling you guys, Will loves underground comics. I'm sold. Looks great.
890
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.599
When does it get released? There we go? What's doing
891
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.960
my job for me? Yes? Thank you? So if back
892
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.440
to camp, there's still more than three weeks to back
893
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.679
the campaign. You got about as of this recording, twenty
894
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.679
four days left. But when they when can they expect
895
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:36.280
the physical book will late August? Yeah? Exactly this year, guys.
896
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.119
Yeah, the book is basically done. So as soon as
897
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.199
the campaign's done and we get the loot, we're going
898
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.000
to put it right into the print and then pay
899
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.519
the contributors as well, and then get it gone, get
900
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.239
it off to the printer.
901
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.599
Yeah, the book really is done. That, it's done done.
902
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.199
We're just waiting on, and we're going to have illustrations
903
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.880
in the end papers. And that's one thing we're waiting on.
904
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.159
We had the idea to have a legend. We're all
905
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.599
the stories are plotted on a map as to where
906
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:03.280
they occurred.
907
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.440
That's great. It's like four Burroughs. Sorry, Stanton Island.
908
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.920
We kind of just Stanton Island the other day, but
909
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.880
like we just didn't happen, Like we didn't do that intentionally,
910
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.119
just like the stories that came in didn't include.
911
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.280
Couldn't get the fairy. None of the stories came from.
912
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:23.960
Pete Davidson to contributed story. I guess Stanton Island's favorite son. Absolutely, yeah,
913
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.440
but it's done. It's it's definitely done. And that's great
914
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:29.400
And I love that you got the legend. I think
915
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.239
that's a great idea. Hold on, you know, a zooming it.
916
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.000
So this is J. G.
917
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.280
Thurwell, the musician a band called Fetus and he has
918
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.599
a lot of other right with my girlfriend Jen Ferguson,
919
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.599
who painted this four page comic.
920
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.280
About the story that happens in Dumbo and I mean Bunny.
921
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.599
We got Gil Roth a Virtual Memories podcast to write
922
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:52.719
and draw comic.
923
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.519
That's fantastic. Yeah yeah, I mean story kind of too,
924
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.639
and we got young guns like, uh, sam Be do
925
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.880
you how do you say? Sam Be? Do sam b?
926
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:07.320
Yeah?
927
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:14.719
Do Sam. She's really incredible, like an sv A graduate. Yep, yeah,
928
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.079
she was really great to work with. Gary Dumm of
929
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:24.519
American Splendor. Come on, I mean, just every couple of pages,
930
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:26.639
our katan.
931
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.440
Is is a studio made of mine and and a
932
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:35.199
wonderful discovery, unbelievable discovery, like, oh my god, check this out.
933
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.000
This is this is this is crazy, is great, and
934
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.039
this is our Sachoiat drawing in his style because our
935
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:48.559
Sequoia's famous for drawing and aping other styles. Okay, sorry
936
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:50.239
from him, he excited.
937
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:56.559
Yeah, Chris, I don't know about the transmission, but every
938
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:58.360
now and then I lose the signal for a second,
939
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.719
so I hope, uh well you could the people watching
940
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.159
can tell me if it's disrupting the show or not
941
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:03.960
for a second.
942
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.639
But we're doing We're doing all right on our side.
943
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.559
I think it's a good deal. Did you want to
944
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.199
spill tea at all? Dino? You're like, all right, what
945
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.800
kind of bullshit can we get into, like like topics
946
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.400
or something. I'm trying to think.
947
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.920
I feel like every week there's something going on, and
948
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:23.239
I feel like this.
949
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.480
Week Alan Moore, Okay, what about like kind of like.
950
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.440
I don't yeah, but I got that feeling a while ago.
951
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:34.320
They didn't want to do comment.
952
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.719
Yeah, you know, you know this is this is this
953
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:37.480
was the question.
954
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.960
Okay, we we Me and Vito del Sante in our
955
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.199
podcast talked about this and this might be.
956
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.039
Alan Moore conversation.
957
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.920
But somebody a friend of mine, George asked Frank Miller,
958
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.800
who has been a groundbreaking cartoonist several times. Okay, and
959
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:56.960
I know people make fun of his current cover art.
960
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:57.559
I love it.
961
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.079
I think it's next level. I understand why. I I
962
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.400
understand why you just felt that way. I think sometimes yes,
963
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.119
it could have been you know, but but like I
964
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.199
feel like he's earned to get into this place. I'm
965
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:15.360
very fascinated by early career and the end of your career. Okay,
966
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.559
and that could be an interesting podcast alone. The first
967
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:19.599
thing that came out and the you know, for people
968
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.280
who have passed away, like Hitchcock's first thing and Hitchcock's
969
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.559
the last thing, you know, like and then finding like
970
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.079
the things that were tethered and what were they always
971
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:29.000
doing what are their.
972
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.000
Trends kind of a thing.
973
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.239
Right, So the question was, does Frank Miller have one
974
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.559
more in him? One more game changing kind of book?
975
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.760
And I don't. I don't think so.
976
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.880
I don't know, you know, but Alan Moore basically quick comics,
977
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.480
basically like twenty years ago, and he was a guy
978
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:54.280
that was groundbreaking, right and everyone cites his work constantly.
979
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.119
I mean, the amount of his library alone is incredible, right,
980
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.960
But you know, and I don't know if it's a
981
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.119
fair question to ask, because I think people should be
982
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.599
able to stop and go vacation or retire or move
983
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.000
on to other things as Alan Moore has, you know,
984
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.480
or a Frank Miller, let's say. And but the question
985
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.159
is like, are you craving for them to do one
986
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.960
more one more thing before they go out?
987
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:16.679
Kind of a thing?
988
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.760
Is he reinventing himself? Sorry? John?
989
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:21.440
Is he is? He?
990
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.559
Really? Is he like doing something so that if if
991
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.800
a young person or an SVA student or someone saw
992
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.559
these covers or you know, I guess he did some
993
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.360
of ronin two, like they saw that stuff.
994
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:35.679
Frank Miller right now, Frank Miller, Yeah.
995
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.639
Yeah, yeah, Like if they saw that stuff would they
996
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.440
be like, oh my god, this guy's the best. What
997
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.960
else has he done? I must dig into his ship?
998
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.079
Or like would they kind of be like, Okay, why
999
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.280
would I look at.
1000
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:53.960
I think because his stuff is so radically simplified or
1001
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.920
however you want to describe. And again, no disparaging common mind.
1002
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.400
I get it, and you can definitely I like it
1003
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.000
and think it looks broken, like what's wrong? But sometimes
1004
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.599
he'll pull one off and you're like, oh, I see
1005
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.679
that he's But it is an evolution of style in
1006
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.039
a way, right, because comics inherently are a reductive form,
1007
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.519
you know, Like so you overrender when you're young, and
1008
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.079
then you get to just basic shapes, you know, as
1009
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.119
you get older. I think that's you know.
1010
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.639
I have a story behind the scenes Will Eisner from
1011
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.599
beginning to end, and you know, the last thing he did,
1012
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.119
much like yourselves, guys, a five page story of the
1013
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:38.559
escapist Michael Schabon's character meeting the Spirit. I found out
1014
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.440
after the fact, after mister Eisner passed away, that Alex
1015
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:48.639
Saviac did the finishes and emulated classic Eisner style, and
1016
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.280
he showed me what Will sent him. And this was
1017
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.719
really near the end, and Will was in declining health,
1018
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:59.199
and he really just sent literally shapes. And again, Alex
1019
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.119
has been a wonderful, full mimic of so many other
1020
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.199
styles throughout his own career that he was able to
1021
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.000
kind of give us that Eyes and the Field, but
1022
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.960
a better example of And I think I remember the
1023
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:16.039
negative reviews of Jack Kirby's Hunger Dog's graphic novel, which
1024
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.880
was his last comment on the New Gods, and it was.
1025
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:23.360
A Frankenstein disaster, man like, like I think like ten
1026
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.760
or twenty artists worked on and reshaped it and changed it,
1027
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:28.400
like I read something once.
1028
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.039
I think Bill Ray was involved, and a whole bunch.
1029
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.800
Of other other artists, and it really felt like it
1030
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.199
was Frankenstein even, you know, when it was finished and
1031
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.880
you're kind of waiting for his like final statement on
1032
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.559
New Gods because he wasn't able to do his New
1033
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.039
Gods comics after like eleven issues per series, right, and
1034
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.199
there were three or four series, and so.
1035
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:49.280
You're like, what the hell happened?
1036
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.679
And then it went on to have other you know,
1037
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.000
people write and draw it and and now what's happening
1038
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.480
in the in the cinematic universe?
1039
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.440
You know, Yeah, Ed, it was painful And I had
1040
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.960
another commic before this. What was that he was saying?
1041
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.679
The more story he was he was torn about the announcement. Yeah,
1042
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.960
I mean, I get my thing about Alan Morris, and
1043
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.079
I totally understand this my analogy of the love that
1044
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.320
we all have for Watchmen. It's like if you got
1045
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.119
married and you built the house of your dreams and
1046
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.679
it had the backyard of your dreams and a swimming
1047
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.239
pool and every you know, accoutrement you'd want for a house,
1048
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.599
then you get divorced. That's him in DC and all
1049
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.360
people do when they want to talk to you, say, hey,
1050
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.320
remember that house you built, man, that was really great.
1051
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.239
Let's talk about the house for a while. And I'm
1052
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.199
sure he's like, yeah, fuck you. I've thought that was
1053
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.280
twenty years, forty years ago, now forty one years. I mean,
1054
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.519
you know what I mean, So I get it. But
1055
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.159
also no, I was gonna say.
1056
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.039
The thing is, the thing is like you also don't
1057
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:50.159
want to be famous for something you did forty years ago.
1058
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.760
I mean, I get it, Or like an actor will
1059
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.599
be like they'll be you know, they might do one
1060
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.119
giant movie and that's all they're ever known for, even
1061
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.280
though they did a hundred other movies let's say, right
1062
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:03.800
or yeah, and orson well Citizen Kane and he tried
1063
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.119
to sell wine.
1064
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.280
Anyway, great, yeah, yeah, well it's no. And those are
1065
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.440
the kind of choices you have to make when you're
1066
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.960
a mad don't well, and the thing when you're a maverick. Right.
1067
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.079
But the thing I don't appreciate is when people go, you.
1068
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.599
Know what, I was revisiting John Burn's work in the
1069
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.719
nineteen eighties and I have to say, it just doesn't
1070
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:27.320
hold up.
1071
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.880
I'm like, shut up, shut up.
1072
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.000
Oh really, you really, it's it's it's of its time.
1073
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.519
You mean, oh okay, is that what you meant to say.
1074
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.119
It's it's just it's annoying to me, you know, like
1075
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:42.760
I give it context.
1076
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.800
Older it is the younger critics that it's just like, man,
1077
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:48.199
you guys weren't there. The context is gone because the
1078
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.000
same thing with Watchmen, I don't understand what the big
1079
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.000
deal is. And it's like, right, because it was the
1080
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.519
first and now there's been so many Watchman clones that followed,
1081
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.079
so you're like, yeah, what's the big deal?
1082
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.760
And absolutely and and two things to speak to that,
1083
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.119
like when I first saw Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho.
1084
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:05.800
There was so much build up to it, and when
1085
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.239
I finally saw him went, it's okay.
1086
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.960
I guess as an older person, I can now appreciate,
1087
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:13.760
Oh my god, that's incredible.
1088
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.280
Right. But I think what Alan Moore might also be.
1089
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.719
Reacting to, And I think this is also how we're chaken,
1090
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.719
maybe Frank Miller and other people of their ILK, is
1091
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.079
that they do these groundbreaking things and then they're copied
1092
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:30.719
and then watered down or bastardized in some way where
1093
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.599
you're like, you don't want to be associated to the
1094
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:38.679
thing that influenced or inspired these works, right, because a
1095
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.679
lot of the water down stuff is kind of crappy, right,
1096
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.079
And then people are talking about a certain era, but
1097
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.639
you know you are in that one space, you know,
1098
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.440
and that's where it belongs.
1099
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:50.840
You know.
1100
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.679
Like when people get mad at a current run on
1101
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:57.039
Captain America or Spider Man or something, and we've talked
1102
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:58.880
about this, John, like, I'll be like, I have my
1103
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:06.760
Spider Man, I got my Captain America necessarily, right, you know.
1104
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.480
I feel like that's the case for comics more than
1105
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.599
television or film. And I'm gonna try really hard Denis
1106
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.679
heard me speak and infinitum as it's the word balloon
1107
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:21.039
audience about Star Trek and New Star Trek, and I
1108
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.679
keep hearing this argument of well it wasn't made for you,
1109
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:29.159
and it's like, yeah, but from nineteen then, yeah, I
1110
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:30.519
hated it. Hated it with.
1111
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.360
What we'll talk about. I saw you on the what's
1112
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.360
his Name? Show? Sorry, good good serious?
1113
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:41.920
The same with the Star Wars too, and it's like
1114
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.800
I understand that they're trying, and that is such a
1115
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.159
corporate thing of well, let's make it for the kids,
1116
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.239
and let's make it for the teens and everything else,
1117
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.000
and it's like, you know, you just be able to
1118
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.400
again Lucas and Company and Roddenberry and and everyone that
1119
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.159
followed just made Star Trek or just made Star Wars
1120
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.599
and we all got into it. Young people got into it.
1121
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.679
That was it was for an adult audience, but we
1122
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.039
got into it because it was good and it didn't
1123
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.880
have to be tailored to us. And unfortunately, in today's media,
1124
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:12.360
especially in film and television, there really is that need.
1125
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.159
So Doug thought on that.
1126
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:17.679
No, just I agree with you, just how's dumbed down?
1127
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.679
And they have to I mean, the kid's culture today
1128
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.920
just permeates actually across a lot of different mediums.
1129
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:28.239
Right, So yeah, well, I don't know I'm yelling at clouds,
1130
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.280
but I understand, well.
1131
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.119
There is that we are old white dudes yelling clouds.
1132
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:38.239
But but I will say this, like there was I've
1133
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.119
been watching a lot of I don't know if it's called.
1134
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.719
Me TV, sure, And I just discovered and tended TV,
1135
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:49.199
and like, I'm watching those shows more than anything new
1136
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:50.039
these days.
1137
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:51.760
I know there's a lot of great new shows.
1138
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.360
I'm watching The Train and stuff like that, you know,
1139
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.800
But like I was watching Alice the other day and
1140
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:03.119
it was one line after another. It was killing, it
1141
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:05.480
was killing. And you know, I'm a big b Arthur
1142
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.320
Maud fan, you know, and Golden Girls, right, And I
1143
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.559
love all those old shows. And then I discovered I
1144
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.400
forgot there was his other show, and I started watching it.
1145
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.360
I was like, what is going on with television?
1146
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.199
Back in the nineteen sixty one, Shirley Booth in a
1147
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.440
show called Hazel Hazel, Do you remember that?
1148
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:26.280
Of course I did, like, but Chicago.
1149
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.599
Yes, And then on Saturday night before SNL comes on
1150
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.840
on Me TV, we have Batman sixty six. We got
1151
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.360
Star Trek, and to me, the tri factor would be
1152
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.519
Wild Wild West, because I feel like that would make sense, right,
1153
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:42.679
like those three because they shared so many different same qualities, you.
1154
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:47.400
Know, but they're always good. Original Star Trek is always
1155
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.159
good in twenty two minutes or whatever. It was too right, Well,
1156
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.079
Star Trek was an hour, but a lot of an
1157
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.880
hour shows Batman, it was a half hour. The comedian
1158
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:59.960
Dana Gould and I talked about it and he got
1159
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.920
a chance to adapt Rod Serling's original screenplay for Planet
1160
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.519
of the Apes, which is vastly different than the sixty
1161
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.519
eight movie that we got. I realize that, Oh yeah,
1162
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:15.119
it's much more like the Pierre Boulet novel. But he said,
1163
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:18.119
to get him into the pacing of a comic, he
1164
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:22.880
was watching Peter Gunn and half hour drag Nets because
1165
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.599
those are tight twenty five minute stories. Twilight Zone is
1166
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:27.079
like that.
1167
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:32.039
One of my favorite absolutely watching him last.
1168
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:35.079
Night with Jen It's amazing. Is it on one of
1169
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:40.920
those broadcast networks TV? Yeah? Me, TV like five nights
1170
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.280
a week. In fact, it's on the night. But Twilight
1171
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.320
Zone that I mean, everyone talks about the obvious ones,
1172
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:49.480
but there's one that I love. Dead man's shoes where
1173
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.320
the bomb finds a gangster shoes in the alley. A
1174
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.239
dead gangster takes his shoes and suddenly is possessed by
1175
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.199
the spirit of the gangster. And it's now I'm gonna
1176
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:01.760
forget the guy's name, the wonderful actor that was in it.
1177
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:05.039
Maybe Cato knows that's watching us, now go look it
1178
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.239
up at Kato. But who Also he's doing Ithacon, what's
1179
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.880
gonna be in it? I was gonna say, I'm gonna.
1180
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.440
Be at the Coon with Ed not this weekend, but
1181
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.280
the weekend after. And uh, I'm gonna be bringing my
1182
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:21.000
buddy Jeffy Burant, Jeff UK of Americans UK. And he
1183
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.760
has a new comic out, Blood and Brains.
1184
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.159
It's basically like a grindhouse comic. He's got two horror stories.
1185
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.639
He also did Ghost Planet with Sean von Gorman and
1186
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.320
A Killer Bad with Jason Gungor, as well as Blood
1187
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:35.599
and Brain.
1188
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:37.079
So we're gonna have a lot of fun.
1189
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.079
Drive up and get over there and hang out with
1190
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.280
Don Simpson and crew.
1191
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.480
Absolutely and Robern and a whole bunch of other people.
1192
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.599
Right ter Stern, Yeah, it's fun. Aticon does a great
1193
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.360
job and actually in lieu of the video commercial, I
1194
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:56.239
will say how great Ethicon is at the Ehaca College campus.
1195
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:57.840
And it really is a fantastic show.
1196
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.719
And this is a forty nine year forty nine wow.
1197
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.119
Second oldest convention that's still running everybody. Pretty amazing stuff.
1198
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.440
But to finish my twilight Zone thing, Yeah, Warren, I
1199
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:09.960
know it's his first name. I can't think he's a
1200
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.880
great character actor, but when he gets possessed, he goes
1201
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:16.239
from this scared homeless guy that puts do on these
1202
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.119
shoes and all of a sudden he straightens up and
1203
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:20.440
he's this very suave gangster. I want to say Warren
1204
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.920
Stevens is the actor you know if he s a
1205
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.199
lot of fifties through nineties big character actor. And it's
1206
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.039
this twenty five minute noir that is tight. There's not
1207
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:34.119
a wasted moment. And that's the great thing about these
1208
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.119
old shows. And they really were smart. Well now as
1209
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.800
we know, boys, the television and film writers of today
1210
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.760
are told, oh, you know, right, deliberately because the likelihood
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01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.559
is they're on their phone scroll Eli, I so hear you, and.
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01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:53.480
It's restayed the thesis every ten minutes, shitty second screen?
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01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.599
Are you telling me that the guy X killed Why
1214
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:58.559
because got.
1215
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.239
That you put on an old gangst your shoes how.
1216
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:09.119
And it was again it is Warren Stevens. You got it.
1217
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.079
It was exciting, buddy. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, dead
1218
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.920
Man's Shoes. I even't did it two minute We're balloon
1219
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.280
short about it and how great it is because it
1220
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.079
really is man and it's black and white and there's
1221
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.960
something timeless about black and white depending on your age,
1222
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:27.159
because when you're younger, I can't watch black and white. Okay, buddy,
1223
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.440
I'm like, well, you're missing, you're missing one hundred years
1224
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.880
of great filmmaking. But by all means you. But also
1225
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.360
they are not black and white to be a black
1226
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:36.760
and white contrast, right.
1227
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.360
A black and white movie made today often is is
1228
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.119
they're just taking the color out, like that's not a
1229
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:42.960
black and white movie.
1230
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:43.440
Sorry?
1231
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.880
Although, what was it called the TV show that came
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01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:47.880
out two years ago?
1233
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:52.800
H Ripley, Ripley, that was called Sigourney Weaver.
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01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:59.159
No, no, no, I remember there being a black and
1235
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:03.199
white movie with Toty McGuire. No, no TV it was HBO.
1236
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:04.719
I think it's it's Ripley.
1237
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.639
No, what am I thinking of familiar alien Earth.
1238
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.760
Yeah exactly. I mean when we hear Ripley, we're gonna
1239
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:19.800
tak alien Ripley. Ripley the Patricia Oh no, I don't
1240
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:22.519
know that character. I certain Patricia Hight No. No.
1241
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:26.519
So you know you know the movie Wait Wait Again.
1242
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:31.239
Based on the talented mister Ripley.
1243
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.920
And tell me you've you've not seen Ripley the TV series? No,
1244
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.079
I saw the movie. I didn't watch the TV show. No,
1245
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.440
it's it's noir. It's black and white for black and
1246
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.920
white's sake. Incredible writing, acting, Trust me, watch it. You're
1247
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.800
you're gonna you're gonna love it in the first three
1248
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.559
seconds because of the way it looks alone. Okay.
1249
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.280
One of my successes as a parent is I I
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01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.280
got my kids into the old Twilight zones and they
1251
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.239
because they just they will rip apart any kind of
1252
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:07.000
special effects from you know, before the eighties and even nineties,
1253
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.519
Like they just can't watch it. And that's a black
1254
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.760
and white show that they and we sort of we
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01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:13.679
do the marathon every New Year's together.
1256
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.119
You know, that's that's great. Onside, you can.
1257
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.599
See it in so many things these days, like it's
1258
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.760
been spoofed over and I guess really the Simpsons mostly,
1259
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.440
but I feel like twenty to fifty episodes of Twilight
1260
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:27.800
Zone have been in the Simpsons, you know, like including
1261
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.079
the one you're just talking about where Homer puts on
1262
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.400
Snake's shirt or whatever, and it's the same thing.
1263
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:36.480
And he goes the Little Girl Lost episode and he
1264
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.679
and he goes into the uh dimension that's a you know,
1265
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.480
on the other side of the bedroom door.
1266
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:43.719
Right, and it's three D. He's in the weird world.
1267
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.639
He's like, anybody see the movie Tron And everyone's like no, no,
1268
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.280
and the wig it's like yes, I mean no. Do
1269
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:50.599
you know what?
1270
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.679
One of my favorite Twilight zones is the one where
1271
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:58.519
these very different characters like an army general, a dancer
1272
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.760
or whatever, they're trying to climb.
1273
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.960
Out of of being nice.
1274
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.280
So you find out later bucket and they're toys, right
1275
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:06.920
or something.
1276
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:11.800
A figure salvation bucket or something. Yeah, five five characters
1277
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.039
in search of an exit. I think it's called something yeah,
1278
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:19.440
like great extension, you know, extential uh existential? Absolutely, yeah,
1279
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:21.760
thank you, there you go. That's the right word, all right,
1280
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:23.920
I believe it or not. He did go to college,
1281
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.920
but I forgot that word. But you know, I was
1282
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:30.280
gonna say regarding the Twilight Zone first season, especially of
1283
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:35.960
Outer Limits, Conrad Hall, this exceptional cinematographer was hired for
1284
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:42.519
the first season and man literally movie quality cinematography. It's
1285
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:46.440
what peaked Gabe Hartman's interest. And he's like, how come
1286
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.119
there's not like a good Outer Limits rewatch podcast. And
1287
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.760
I'm like, let's do what and he goes, oh, yeah, okay,
1288
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.760
And we did it during COVID. It was we went
1289
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.199
through all both seasons, forty nine episodes of outer Lands.
1290
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.719
It was great. So it was only two, it was
1291
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:02.960
only Yeah.
1292
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.719
We got a DVD one time where it was like
1293
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:08.239
all the time travel episodes on one and I watched
1294
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.159
it with my dad and there's like one episode where
1295
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.559
like a guy goes back and is like, in a
1296
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:17.280
concentration camp. Is that me? That's the eighties one? Oh
1297
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:19.159
yeah that No, that was a.
1298
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:22.119
Black one death the Death sad Revisited I think it
1299
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.199
was called and yeah. He was a former journal German
1300
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:28.000
officer walking through the camp and all the ghosts of
1301
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:31.320
the prisoners, uh form a part at the end of
1302
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.360
the movie. Now that in the Great Nea Mayah Persov
1303
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.079
is on one where he's on a ship and he
1304
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.280
keeps having flashbacks and then he realizes he he was
1305
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.960
a German officer that sank this boat that he's on
1306
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.719
and he's reliving the nightmare, but now he's one of
1307
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.400
the passagers about to be killed. No, Twilight Soon had
1308
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.800
hard hitting stuff man for nineteen fifty nine to nineteen
1309
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:54.320
sixty five, and day to.
1310
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.360
Bring it into comics. The IDW series right now where
1311
01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.159
it's all one shots, is really good too.
1312
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.840
Tom she old, Have any of you been approached or
1313
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.440
have you tried to jump on the thing, because truly
1314
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.639
Tomsy only did a great story. James Stoke did a
1315
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:14.760
great story. So many wonderful the guy.
1316
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.079
Just we just sat next to him at L A
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01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.439
x D and he did the John Lewis book.
1318
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:23.439
Uh not the phil Oh no, I know you're talking
1319
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.399
about damn it. Uh it starts with an A. Right.
1320
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:29.880
He's a great singer too. I saying karaoke with him
1321
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:36.199
at C yeah two. I wasn't at C two E
1322
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:37.359
two c XC.
1323
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:47.319
Yeah to the right of us. Yeah, that's because Nate was.
1324
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.479
Selling the entire issue for like something.
1325
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:52.439
Yeah, that's cool.
1326
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:54.319
That's that series is great.
1327
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.960
Absolutely did you want to rap boys. I mean again,
1328
01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.600
I could bullshit all night, but Doug, I don't know
1329
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:00.560
if you got to get going.
1330
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.720
Or like freestyle or.
1331
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:05.560
Scatting boys.
1332
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.880
Well, I mean, I guess the other question would be like,
1333
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:13.560
is this a series?
1334
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.119
Is this a series like the real life comics?
1335
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:16.359
Right?
1336
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:20.079
And if this does well enough, you know, I mean
1337
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.319
there has been talk about the and I don't know
1338
01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.319
we would be involved as much if we went to
1339
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:29.840
other states like Chicago, Florida, La. You know, only in LA,
1340
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:34.199
only in Chicago, only in Austin, only in I mean,
1341
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:36.199
there's got to be a Florida one. And I would
1342
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.079
nominate James Green to be the editor on that one.
1343
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:40.880
He's a buddy of mine who's a cartoonist.
1344
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.399
But so there's that idea.
1345
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:44.960
And then the other idea was instead of being a geographical,
1346
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:47.680
be more thematic so you can open really open it up,
1347
01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:51.199
you know, to any you know, people that didn't have
1348
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:52.000
to be in.
1349
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.680
The space within the space. But we'll see how this
1350
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:56.720
goes first, you know.
1351
01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:59.760
Yeah, I guys, I hope this is the start of
1352
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:03.239
a lot of comics from you guys in this real
1353
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:07.640
life comics. Uh imprint h and again I truly mean
1354
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.760
it when I make the comparison to McSweeney's it's that quality.
1355
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.159
Oh Will says, let's see one from Cleveland.
1356
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.079
Sure, Cleveland, Absolutely. I mean, and you have people, well
1357
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:20.640
you're talking about Ohio. We have Paul Pope, right, I
1358
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.199
think it's from from Ohio.
1359
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:31.760
And then it Bootsy Collins and George Clinton, and I mean, yeah, yeah,
1360
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:32.159
there you go.
1361
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.720
I just literally, here's all right, here's a random thing.
1362
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:40.239
I literally just bought Arsenio Hall's autobiography, the audio The
1363
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:45.520
Audible Life. I'm curious, of fascinated. You've been listening eight fascinating.
1364
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:48.000
He doesn't any punches, right, I think I read about
1365
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:50.640
he does, And if you want a preview of it,
1366
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.960
I absolutely recommend you either listen to or watch his
1367
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:55.920
Conan O'Brien podcast interview.
1368
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:57.760
Oh yeah, And.
1369
01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:59.720
That's what made me want to buy the book, because
1370
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.640
it really is fascinating everything that they cover, and that
1371
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:07.520
whole experience of that show and the way it was
1372
01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:12.880
syndicated and everything, and to truly challenge Johnny Carson at
1373
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.479
the end of his crime, and yes he was getting older,
1374
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.079
but to go after that young audience that we were
1375
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.439
all kids enjoying it and stuff, and it was it
1376
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.560
was a massive cultural moment and you've got to hand
1377
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:28.520
it our Cindeo because he really owned it. And also
1378
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.000
there was a lot of shit going on in the
1379
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:33.359
background that none of us knew about. Yeah.
1380
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.199
I was actually going to get that book. Here's a
1381
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:36.880
little bit of a hot topic. And maybe you can
1382
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.399
edit on this if you want, because you're a talk
1383
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:41.800
show host in some ways.
1384
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:42.800
Right, So.
1385
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:49.600
Yeah, right, Uh, what's the after Colbert? They're not going
1386
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.880
to do a talk show anymore. It's going to be
1387
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:59.079
Iron Allen, Irwin Allen's comedying with.
1388
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:02.199
Disaster movies, which I think all of us are expecting
1389
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:04.239
it to be a disaster. And it kind of feels
1390
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.680
like that's what CBS wants to put an end to
1391
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.520
the late night experiment that started thirty years ago with
1392
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.520
Pat Sajack and like, yeah, you know, maybe we don't
1393
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:16.239
want to be in the late night business anyway, because
1394
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:20.319
I thought, you'll forgive me, Dan, I'm gonna jump on that. Please. Yeah,
1395
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:23.039
Byron Allen taking over the real Estate and they're gonna
1396
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:27.199
show his syndicated show comics Allowed. I think that's what
1397
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:31.640
it was called. That's yes, but it's not gonna be like, Okay,
1398
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.680
I'm gonna as far as we know, here is a
1399
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.800
new version of the show with brand new episodes. He's
1400
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.880
just gonna be showing the same stuff he's been showing
1401
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.439
in syndication, and they're they're leasing him the time. And
1402
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.840
I was talking to Mike Colin last Monday, and he's like,
1403
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.640
I just watched an episode and the guests were David
1404
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:55.399
Brenner and Judy Tanuda, both dead, and no, like tribute
1405
01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.279
to these great comics is and it is shamed of
1406
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.920
a No, it's just another episode. So if you're just
1407
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.840
around from Poduk, oh, David Printer, Yeah, oh, it's nice
1408
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:04.520
to see him. It's good that he's still around. Yeah,
1409
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:08.800
he's been dead for five or ten years. Sorry, so crazy.
1410
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:13.760
They're not in the business. Somebody was commenting that, uh, CBS,
1411
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:14.319
what's the.
1412
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:16.880
It is, CBS, it's no longer.
1413
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.800
The they don't want to spend the money on what
1414
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:21.680
it takes to you know, have a talk show like
1415
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.479
at night, Like they're just going to do a syndication
1416
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:26.239
of this stuff, you know.
1417
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:28.800
Yeah, well, because it looks like a talk show.
1418
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:30.399
Who really wanted that?
1419
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.319
Who's that for? That eli. That's the point. I literally
1420
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:37.199
think it's like, well, look we got Byron Allen, so
1421
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.640
we got a black guy to host, to be honestly,
1422
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.520
you know, and then breaking down to demographics so you
1423
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.359
can't say we're all about white and you know, okay,
1424
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:48.800
and then certainly he has the and he does, having
1425
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:52.600
been in comedy for over forty years, has the rolodex
1426
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.239
to call people on. But it's, as far as I
1427
01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:57.520
can tell, it's not even going to be a new show.
1428
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:02.079
It's just repackaging. He's syndicated show that already runs across
1429
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.000
the country. Because I got to tell you, Byron Allen
1430
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:09.520
very smart media mogul. Because a lot of these syndicated shows,
1431
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:13.039
half of it is paid for by the production company
1432
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.199
that makes the show, and they have half of the commercials.
1433
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:18.399
They give the other half of the commercials to local
1434
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:21.760
stations so they can And that's why you see Comics
1435
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.880
Allowed and his game show Funny you should ask, which
1436
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.800
is Hollywood Squares without the tic tac toe. Literally it's
1437
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.359
it's six comics answering questions like Hollywood Squares, but there's
1438
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:39.960
no tic tac toe game involved. Happy. Yeah, that's probably
1439
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.039
a big part of it, absolutely, and that's how those
1440
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:44.720
judge shows make all their money and all the reality
1441
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.159
shows that around during the day, you know. And again
1442
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.880
I that's okay, there's a place for that in television,
1443
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:54.039
but as far as scripted television anymore or late night TV,
1444
01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:57.920
it'll be very interesting to see what happens to Kimmel
1445
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:03.159
and even fat when their contracts are up, because again,
1446
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.359
tasto shifting. People aren't watching over the air TV like
1447
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.000
they used and certainly not young people.
1448
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:10.800
And it's crazy like on seth Myers I used to
1449
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.039
watch they like took he didn't even have a band anymore, Like,
1450
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:16.560
well they had to come and cut back. Yeah we'll
1451
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:18.720
fire the band, and yeah, it's crazy.
1452
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:22.199
And I think it is podcast like, like you know,
1453
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:27.680
was it Netflix? Now don't they have podcast?
1454
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:32.720
Right? So you know, that's gonna be an interesting experiment.
1455
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:36.840
I'm sure it'll survive. But really, I really do appreciate
1456
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:41.159
both the professional comedians and the amateurs that are doing
1457
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.600
their own thing. And god again, sorry guys. Star Trek
1458
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:48.560
Starfleet Academy's ratings were so so. And there's one hater
1459
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:51.760
out there who put a stock action figure in a
1460
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:56.079
chair and he got more views online of that than
1461
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.359
Academy did when they tried to stream it for free.
1462
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.159
And it's like, yeah, this is where we're at, and
1463
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.319
it's true, man. I mean the great thing is there
1464
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:06.960
is no FCC. I can yell fuck on this show
1465
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.199
and not have to worry about being fined or taken
1466
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:11.920
off the air like I would my thirty years of radio.
1467
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.479
So it is more freer and for better and for worse.
1468
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.359
I mean, we get a lot of crappy politics as
1469
01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.920
well this way, and a lot of misinformation this way,
1470
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.279
but I think we get these great intense entertainment conan,
1471
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:27.600
It's never been better than on this podcast. Good. Yeah,
1472
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.239
it's an uninterrupted conversation. Man, it's great.
1473
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:34.119
But also we can veer, if we can veer a
1474
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:36.760
little bit into the AI thing with taking away all
1475
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:37.439
the work and job.
1476
01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:38.159
I love it, you know.
1477
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.640
I mean the only thing I can do is say
1478
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.119
you like, recently.
1479
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:51.000
I'll show you. Sure, I did forty of these, but recently.
1480
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.479
I had unexpected expenses and I went online. I was like,
1481
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:57.520
I'll do down in dirty drawings for one hundred bucks
1482
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.119
on cardboard, cheap cardboard and mail to you. And it
1483
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.199
started off with just me showing like a dumb little
1484
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.520
drawing of Batman like this right, like a quick ten
1485
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:09.760
minute drawing or whatever, fifteen tops right, and there's still
1486
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:12.000
the blue line underneath it. And then I did like
1487
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:17.399
a weird o mac, you know, like but but like right,
1488
01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:19.920
thank you. But I was just doing these as like
1489
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:22.800
I need money, and I was able to go online
1490
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:27.760
and gratefully people responded and I got like thirty six
1491
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:31.640
to forty, including Doug, Thank you, Doug, I popped your
1492
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:36.199
peak car in the mail, and like this is helping,
1493
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:38.119
and it's not even going to me. It's literally going
1494
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:42.319
to the bill collectors, right, like for my cat who
1495
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.800
had four teeth extracted for twenty five hundred dollars, me
1496
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.800
getting a crown for one thousand, my car hitting a
1497
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.560
pothole in Long Island and needing four new tires and
1498
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:53.520
brakes for fifteen hundred, like.
1499
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:55.399
Six thousand dollars suddenly, and.
1500
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.600
I realized I'm constantly living for next month and what
1501
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:01.319
I owe now, right, and trying to figure that out.
1502
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.439
Life is when you have six thousand dollars or more
1503
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.560
bills that suddenly appear, right, That's when life happens.
1504
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:10.079
And you're like Oh my god, I'm not prepared for that.
1505
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.319
So I was able to get two thirds of what
1506
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.800
I needed, you know, in the last two weeks. And
1507
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:20.399
trust me, between real life comics and you know, writing
1508
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.600
and doing my anti matter comics, this should should.
1509
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:25.760
Be in my hands tomorrow hopefully, and I can send
1510
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:26.279
those out.
1511
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:29.119
I'm just jugging a lot of different work writing this,
1512
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.359
writing a screenplay and a play, and this and that,
1513
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.520
and constant promoting and then on top of drawing all
1514
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:37.399
these cards in the last two and a half three weeks.
1515
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:39.479
You know, I'm burnt out.
1516
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:43.079
But the good news is that you can only get
1517
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.359
it from me. For better or for worse.
1518
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:49.279
Okay, a lot of people that have a service job
1519
01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:52.039
or I'm not sorrying about plumbing and electricians, like they
1520
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.000
start to show up to your house and in person.
1521
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:55.840
But there's a lot of jobs.
1522
01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:01.520
And you're seeing corporations like firing thousands of pece yeah,
1523
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:05.000
eliminating you know, as you know John right or as
1524
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.640
everybody here you know.
1525
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:09.520
And the only thing I think that the cab I
1526
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:12.159
used to do in radio, eighty percent of it could
1527
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.439
be done by AI and they don't need me, you know,
1528
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:17.640
it take me an hour to crank out a sixty
1529
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.800
second radio commercial, and AI could spit one out just
1530
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:26.239
as good as mine in ten seconds.
1531
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.640
Right, But and you don't need to do that anymore.
1532
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:31.119
What you need to do is be more you, right,
1533
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:33.800
and who you know and why you're doing this. And
1534
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:39.239
that's that's the existential crisis in a in a proactive
1535
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:41.279
way that we're experiencing right now, you know.
1536
01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:45.399
So, oh, thanks Carrie, It's coming soon, coming soon.
1537
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:47.920
Yeah, Carrie decited for any matter and also for a
1538
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:51.039
suggestion of a location. She says, there should be only
1539
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:56.760
in Nebraska all about corn and weather. Likene, she can
1540
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:58.399
be the editor of that. Please.
1541
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:02.319
I haven't have a vet vet recommendation for you. That
1542
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:05.800
is crazy, way too much money. Like I've had cats
1543
01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.560
with teeth extracted. It was nowhere near near that.
1544
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.720
Really, well, I'll tell you something else that's saying but
1545
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:11.920
what A will never do the work?
1546
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:16.159
What? What did Tony say? A? I will never do
1547
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:19.119
the work that a human with flesh and blood can do?
1548
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:24.199
No AI are it did? And he also says, uh
1549
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:27.920
antimatter in just a few days to the messes.
1550
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.640
I'm hoping I'm hoping to have some copies at BIS absolutely,
1551
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.079
and then Tony and Eli.
1552
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:35.680
I don't know if you want to announce or is
1553
01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:37.840
this a BIS debut.
1554
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:39.479
I don't know what you're talking about.
1555
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:49.000
Okay, yeah, hey Tony, Wow, Okay, so we're not we're
1556
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:50.159
not talking about.
1557
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:53.960
Tony's Tony's taking care of the rollout for that.
1558
01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:58.359
Okay, Yeah, all right, we won't ran on Tony's parade.
1559
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:02.560
That's something big and timely, right, It's it's really pretty awesome.
1560
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:03.800
That's another anthology.
1561
01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:05.920
It's timely, something to marvel at.
1562
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:10.399
All says. We have a new book coming out this weekend.
1563
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:14.520
Also it bicks of a political variety, fantastic.
1564
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:17.960
Well, Tony and Ben Granoff will be at a Cosmic
1565
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.520
Lion booth there so they'll have a bunch of new
1566
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:26.319
Cosmic line books as well as this secret special with
1567
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:26.960
John again.
1568
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:30.560
Yeah, you guys, you and Tony are welcome to come
1569
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:34.680
Ony Lion and talk about it. Absolutely, man, that'd be awesome. Sure,
1570
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:37.039
this book is going to get his His anthology is
1571
01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:38.039
going to get a lot of press.
1572
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:40.439
It is. Yeah, it would be.
1573
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.000
It would be part of it and be part of
1574
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:46.079
the political discussion. I am all for it. I am
1575
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:49.159
not afraid of showing my politics on word balloon. Never
1576
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:53.119
can I can I say a controversial thing. Of course,
1577
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:54.680
I know.
1578
01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:59.800
You'd like Trump, and I think Trump is I think
1579
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.800
he's awful, obviously, but I also think he's mentally ill.
1580
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:05.560
And it's really the people around him that prop him
1581
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:06.600
up that enable.
1582
01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:07.960
We all know that.
1583
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:11.119
But I gotta say, these recent pieces of AI art
1584
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:13.840
with Trump is like Jesus and there's one day he's
1585
01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:17.760
like Captain America is kind of awesome. It feels like
1586
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.039
next level Rob Lifefeild comics or something, you know, like.
1587
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.520
That is a rob absolutely, but I mean, I'm not
1588
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.760
dissing Rob, but it's just so bombastic, Like it's like
1589
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:32.399
Cable to the twelfth Power. You like, it's insane, and
1590
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.000
I'm like, and I'm.
1591
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:37.000
Insane.
1592
01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:38.880
Yeah, when he when he was the astronaut of the
1593
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.479
Superhero and the Cowboy, and I forget the fourth thing.
1594
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:44.479
I thought it was illegal to make money off the office,
1595
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:47.960
and yet he's done it in a million ways, right, I.
1596
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:52.680
Forgot absolutely when you got the majority of Congress looking
1597
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:54.800
the other way and going, yeah, what, oh, he's just
1598
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:58.640
being Trump leave alone? Yeah, ridiculous. I mean, honestly, guys, again,
1599
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.239
I was the Water. I was a Watergate kid. I
1600
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:04.000
was very cognizant of Watergate as a young man. And
1601
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:08.600
it's like, and they got Richard Nixon for so much less,
1602
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:11.600
and he was embarrassed out of office. To the point,
1603
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.960
Parry Coldwater just one of the most launch conservatives. He's like,
1604
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.600
what's the count in Congress. He's like, Dick, you've got
1605
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:22.279
less than ten people in Congress, and if it were
1606
01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.600
held today, I vote against you. You gotta go, and
1607
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:28.079
so literally, but we have nobody. We have nobody to
1608
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.159
tell him that, because again, they're all they're all riding
1609
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.880
his coat tails. They're all riding his coattails. And when
1610
01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:36.359
the party ends, they're all in for a root awakening,
1611
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:39.960
because truly they're not Trump. I don't know. I don't
1612
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:44.399
have the magic formula that he has to enrapture the
1613
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.720
portion of population that he does. But kind of like
1614
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.800
Rush Limbaugh, he's an effective communicator to that group, whether
1615
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:56.000
we like it or not. Yep, seems scarier to me,
1616
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:59.520
even because he's you know, it's not gonna work for him,
1617
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:04.199
it really no. And in fact, you know he he
1618
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:07.239
doesn't even instinctionally know what to do. He's right next
1619
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:09.359
to Victor ORBN. We were talking about it before on
1620
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:13.079
the air and Victor Orban loses and hungry and it's like, yeah,
1621
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.439
my good friend Victor ORBN vote for him, and the
1622
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:21.560
Hungarian people are like no, yeah, so no, he's he's screwed.
1623
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:24.840
He is so screwed. All of them that used to
1624
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:28.920
be anti Trump that are Republicans and all just got
1625
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.720
in line. You know. Mike Pence, Mike Pence's career is over,
1626
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:35.800
and I'm sure a lot of the other inner circle
1627
01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:40.039
Trump people when the term is over, they're done. They're done.
1628
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:45.239
Yeah, unless they go into like Fox News or reality
1629
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.840
show some podcasts that they.
1630
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:52.159
Yeah, yeah, Trey Gowdy's doing just flying on on Fox
1631
01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:54.720
and I know O A N and Newsmas have their
1632
01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:58.239
people and everything. No, they' and they'll write their books.
1633
01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.840
But as far as an actual political career after this,
1634
01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:05.720
like I don't see President Rubio happening anytime soon.
1635
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:07.960
Yeah, you know, no way.
1636
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:09.039
So there you go.
1637
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.560
Hey, we said the same thing about never seeing Trump.
1638
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.720
We thought it was a joke when he was first announced,
1639
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:16.239
and it's like.
1640
01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.960
Oh yeah, I'm like no way, well no way, we'll
1641
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:23.600
you know, just in general, regardless of your party of affiliation.
1642
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:29.800
Democrats and Republicans have so consolidated the ability to become president.
1643
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:35.239
Third party candidates have no chance whatsoever. The Federal Election
1644
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:40.239
Commission is made up of Republicans and Democrats, period. There
1645
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.119
are no third party people in the FEC, and they
1646
01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:45.800
control the debates and all this stuff. And that's why
1647
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.880
I'm like, I was the same way. I'm like, no
1648
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.239
way in hell is he going to be able to
1649
01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:52.600
penetrate this thing. And then they also saw him tap
1650
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:55.600
dance during the debates and he was surrounded by clowns
1651
01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:59.600
or statues like Jeff Bush, and he ran circles. He
1652
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.319
was like, my, I'm at Ali just dancing circles around
1653
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.960
these idiots. And I like him. He found the apprentice.
1654
01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:07.479
I really want to for this guy.
1655
01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:11.119
He says what they won't say. That was the thing. Oh,
1656
01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:14.680
he really speaks his mind. And it's like does he
1657
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.159
He's got spiders in his brain. That's it. There's nothing
1658
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:17.560
in there.
1659
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:24.640
Nobody's home. Yeah. A piece of art that was incredible.
1660
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.800
Like I said, I don't I don't mean to play
1661
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.279
into it, but I was like, and it's probably AI
1662
01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:32.520
generated art or whatever, but its problem was so bombastic.
1663
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:36.199
I kept thinking in a different context, like back in
1664
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.920
the day, like maybe an image comics fan would just
1665
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:41.960
have loved this stuff, you know, like it would have
1666
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:43.920
they would have eaten it up anyway.
1667
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:45.119
With a very straight face.
1668
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:48.600
Today he said he was he was placed in that
1669
01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:54.680
that photo or whatever as a Red crossworker, not Jesus News,
1670
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the fake news pinned Jesus, you know, and okay, with
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a straight.
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The woman on the left of the page with her
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hands in prayer, Yeah, no, that's not that's not religious
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at all. Give you a break.
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I know.
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Also, I love the ones of him that look like
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paintings surrounded by the found founding fathers and stuff like that.
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That there's trump. Oh my god.
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01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:22.600
I saw that he staged a postmate's delivery of McDonald's today,
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and they found that the lady who's in the photo
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of like post delivery person, they have photos of her
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01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:32.119
in different things like staged as like a commenter at
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01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:36.039
a at a news town hall or something like that.
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01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:40.640
That she's like an actor who's paid. Absolutely insane. I mean,
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01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:43.760
we know he eats McDonald's on the inside. My mom
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01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.279
commented today that he's as rotten inside as he is outside,
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01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:49.279
and I think it's very true.
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01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:51.880
What's keeping him alive? What the hell's keeping him alive?
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01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:55.560
Then, my god, methanphetamines.
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Well, I mean in a way, he's recommending McDonald's because the.
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Guy, Yeah, keep looking at me. I'm fine.
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01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:05.560
I just actually, we all in the beginning didn't believe
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01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:07.840
he could ever become president. Like we're kind of saying
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01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.079
that about Vance and some of these other people, Like
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01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:11.920
it's almost like we you know what I mean, like
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01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:16.680
it could happened again, Like that base is so rabid.
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01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:21.720
I mean, maybe maybe I'm optimistic, Doug, but I honestly
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01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.319
think I do think it's a toss up in twenty
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01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:26.279
eight as far as who winds up in the chair.
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01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.479
I agree, but I agree, I don't disagree with Republicans.
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01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:35.279
I really don't see any Trump acolytes having this because
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01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:39.359
again they're not Trump and Advance and and the Rubio
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01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:41.600
and these others we've mentioned. I don't think it's gonna
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01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.439
happen for them. If anything, it might be a conservative governor.
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01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:47.079
Maybe I think it's gonna be Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
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01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:51.119
We're moving away from actual politicians as president, and we're
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01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:53.960
moving into the acting Field. It's gonna be, Dwayne, It's
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01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:59.239
gonna be I mean yeah, I mean it's it's already.
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01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.279
I forget. Well, yeah, they wanted Oprah to run. Yeah
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01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.560
yeah yeah. Did you guys watch Young Rock the NBC
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01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:10.039
show that flashback down it? It was really funny. And
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01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.760
the framing of it was President Johnson tell us about
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01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.399
your past, and he was telling all these stories about
1714
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:18.760
him for being a kid too, even in his twenties
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01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.560
and stuff, and it was I was I was really
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01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:23.520
sorry that it went away because it really was funny
1717
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:26.439
and he really did have an interesting career. So Black
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01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:28.760
at him. Well, it wasn't his fault, even though he
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01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.000
was very much involved in it. Uh, And it's okay.
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01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.279
I was okay with black Man was black Adam? You know?
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01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:39.520
So should we rap boys? I mean, I'm happy to
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01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:41.199
keep going if you want to. It's up to you, boys,
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01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:45.560
I think, yeah, same, all right, yeah exactly. It's dinner time. Yeah,
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01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.159
actually it's later for the East Coast kids and West
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01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.279
coast it's about ten times, so nobody come here.
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01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:53.079
This is true.
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01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:56.000
A couple of comments from Kerrie when he first ran.
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01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.800
My grandpa said he wasn't smart enough. Maybe he could
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01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:00.600
afford to have people aroun on him to give him
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01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:04.039
good advice. I'm kind of glad he hasn't lived to
1731
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.720
see the size of what you're saying. He would he
1732
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:10.920
would have just thought his dementia was getting worse when
1733
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.039
he saw the news every day. Absolutely well, he did
1734
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:13.680
have dementia.
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01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:19.039
Trump or kid, Yeah, yeah.
1736
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:21.399
Yeah, he did have. He did have smart people that
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01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:24.079
try to keep him in check, and he fired him.
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01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:26.479
And now this time around it yes, yes men and
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01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:27.039
yes women.
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01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:30.720
Absolutely yeah, I'll say this and to respond to Carrie,
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01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:36.199
it like, my dad who's eighty eight, is super sad
1742
01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:40.880
that he's going out with America and the world in
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01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.920
this state, you know, because he may not live long
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01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:48.399
enough to see it kind of get better again, you know.
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01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:53.039
And he's he's leaving this world with me, you know,
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01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.079
in this place because you don't know what the future is.
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01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.000
And my mother Staunch, a Democrat who has been fighting
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01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.920
the good fight in Florida and trying to get people
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01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.520
just to vote, you know, not necessarily trying to sway them,
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01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.760
but you know, hopefully you know, you vote in a
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01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:12.319
good way, but just getting people to go out their
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01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:14.720
door and vote, you know, and She's been fighting the
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01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:15.159
good fight.
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01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.079
And I feel bad for people who are older.
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01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.800
Right now and in this state of like, oh my god,
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01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:24.279
is this how I'm going to leave, you know Earth,
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01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:29.039
you know, with this guy in the office, you know, like, so.
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01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:31.560
I feel bad.
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01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.199
I feel bad, you know, because because I'm want I
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01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:36.439
want to believe that things can change, you know, for
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01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:36.880
the better.
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01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:38.520
You know.
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01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:40.000
I'm fifty to fifty with Doug.
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01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:43.159
Like I can understand Doug's cynicism a little bit, you know,
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01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.479
because it's insane.
1766
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:51.520
It what happened, you know. But well, yeah, big, big,
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01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:54.039
smarter people than us can tell us how we got here.
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01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:56.560
I'm sure the historians will. We're going to bring out
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01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:57.720
down the house. Dean Nice.
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01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:02.640
I'm sorry, No, everybody, I have to feel better.
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01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:07.760
Come to New York for real life comics. There you go.
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01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:09.119
I can do it. I can do it bigger than
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01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:12.119
you holding it up team. Here's the cover, everybody, Real
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01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.760
life comics with an ex Only who drew the cover?
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01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:17.159
Did we? No?
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01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:23.239
Peter and Maria Hoy h o e Y incredible artists.
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01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:29.199
They have their series coin Op and thrilled to have
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01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:31.319
them be working with them.
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On the cover. We just you know, love love the cover.
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01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:39.680
That's great. Yeah, no, that's wonderful. Just over three weeks
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01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:42.600
left in the campaign. Everybody, they're halfway there. Help them
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01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:46.199
get over the hump. Support this wonderful collection. Again. The
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01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:50.640
best example in comparison I can make with with true
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01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.840
admiration for what the guys are doing is what McSweeney
1785
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.520
used to do for so many years for comics, and
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01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.279
it is that quality. It's it's a hardback, but you
1787
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:02.880
can also get the digital. Everything is affordable. Thirty five
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01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.600
for the hardcover, just the hardcover, guys, yeah, py for
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01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.600
the digital. Gorgeous stuff. Man, you're not going to be
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01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:13.760
disappointed with this wonderful collection. And really happy to meet
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01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:16.359
Doug and Eli for the first time. And Haspiel and
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01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:18.039
I do a lot of talking, and I'm sure we'll
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01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.000
continue to do a lot of talking. But Eli, come
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01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:23.479
back with UH with Tony and tell me about the
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01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:25.920
other project and YouTube. Doug, I'm happy to have you
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01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:26.520
back as well.
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01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:28.640
You know, thank you so much, John, This has been great.
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01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:29.119
Thank you.
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01:33:29.439 --> 01:33:32.279
I'd like to talk trek with you and Larry one
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01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:34.800
time on his show. There I've been on that show.
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01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:39.840
Oh Larry on Yeah, oh shit, yeah, man, no, absolutely again. God,
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01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:42.199
you know, guys, I went into my college for a
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01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.840
reunion and I promised everybody, I'm like, because I am,
1804
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.960
I'm sad when it comes to Star Trek, and I'm like,
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01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:50.640
I promise I won't talk Star Trek. I promise. I'm
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01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:53.319
really trying hard not to, and I mean it'll be
1807
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:56.159
easy because there's no New Trek now until whenever Strange
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01:33:56.159 --> 01:34:00.800
New World comes back. But yeah, look behind Eli and
1809
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:04.359
there we go, there's Mariner lower Deck. Ironic. Oh, el,
1810
01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.680
I love this timing because ironically someone I will be
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01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:12.279
talking about Lower Deck, specifically tomorrow, My dear friend TV
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01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:17.359
and film and animation writer Tim Sheridan, who is collection
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01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:22.319
of Lower Decks from I d W comes out Wednesday.
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01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.600
And uh he does a great job.
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01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:29.319
Fantastic adaptation of the series, no question about it. And
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01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:33.399
I promise happy time because thankfully Lower Decks got better
1817
01:34:33.439 --> 01:34:36.199
as it continued, and I like, I like Lower Dex
1818
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:41.680
and I like Prodigy. Yeah, we're great, absolutely, and the
1819
01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.920
least Kurtzman in them and that's likely why they were great. Yeah,
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01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:51.279
my final comment, but thanks guys. As as the week
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01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:55.239
is shaping up, it looks like tomorrow, Uh, Tim will
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01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.960
be on Wednesday. I will be talking about all the
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01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:03.239
other TV and film j kal Mary, Daredevil, Back the Boys,
1824
01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:07.279
Back for All Mankind, my favorite show, All That with
1825
01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:11.720
Wayne and Mitch, and we'll have our not Trek watch
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01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.720
as we call it when we don't talk about Star Trek.
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01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.720
That'll be Wednesday. Hopefully Bendis and I will get together
1828
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.359
on Thursday and talk about his new deal that he
1829
01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:23.039
made with Owning for Powers to be adapted as an
1830
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:24.560
animated series for Netflix.
1831
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:25.800
Amazing.
1832
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:29.279
So that's the lineup coming up this week on Word Balloon.
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I hope you'll join us. Until next time, everybody, stay safe,
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01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:43.479
stay happy, stay healthy,