AI, Freedom, & Multiple Streams of Income | We Should Talk Ep. 4

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At the end of the day, I'm a child of
God, so I'm a child forever, um, first

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and foremost . And so why can't we do
those things that gave us that momentum

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to go to school and, you know, achieve
what we needed to achieve, and make

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friends, and grow, and do these things?

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Why do we have to stop growing because
we hit a number age or we've been in

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our career a certain amount of time?

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Like, who made that rule up?

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Hey, y'all.

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This is Georgianne, and
this is We Should Talk.

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Today, I have a special guest with
me, Natarsha, who I met a couple

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months ago at a hackathon, which I
haven't even been to one in years.

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So Natarsha, tell us a little
bit about who you are and a

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little bit about your background.

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Hi, my name is Natarsha Wright,
and I am, I'm a girl's girl.

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Um, I was gonna start off with a
very professional like, "Oh, this

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is what I do, this is who I help,
and this is our service." But at

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the end of the day, I'm just a girl.

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Um, I'm, I'm just a girl.

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But, um, all jokes aside,
I am a AI strategist.

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Um, I help people, everyday
people cut through the AI noise.

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I help them to build smarter systems
so that they can build with AI, learn

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with AI, and figure out how to adopt
AI in a safe and responsible way.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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Before we get into the show for real,
for real, I have a very important

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question to ask you, you know, a
little icebreaker, get us warmed up.

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If you had to choose, right, aliens
are attacking and you had to pick

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your last meal, what would you eat?

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Okay, so my last meal as a contingency-

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I've, my last meal would be Chick-fil-A.

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And it would be a three-count strip meal
with waffle fries and a half and half.

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But-

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Mm-hmm

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…
if Chick-fil-A is closed on a
Sunday, and if it's a Sunday-

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So,

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yeah.

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It's gonna be Mission Barbecue.

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It's gonna be some brisket.

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It's gonna be some mac and cheese.

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It's gonna be some string beans and
some cornbread and a half and half.

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Love it.

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Love it.

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She's like, "The half and half gotta
stay." But depending on the day

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of the week, you know, it's either
Chick-fil-A or Mission Barbecue.

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I love that.

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And depending on my mood, you know,
I'm gonna go with either a medium

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steak with some potat- mashed potatoes
and string beans, or a thin crust

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pizza with pineapples and spinach.

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Don't ask, right?

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I love me some pineapples
on- Wow … the pizza.

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If anybody has a problem, feel
free to, to go stage left, right?

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That's not my- Wow.

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Okay, now I have a question.

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So the potatoes with the steak, is
it the red potatoes or the regular

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white potatoes?

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Mm. You know what?

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Because those red potatoes be hitting.

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It's my last day, I want it all.

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I want a little bit of both.

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Uh, you know what I mean?

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If this is where it ends, I'm
gonna go with a full stomach

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and a happy heart, okay?

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Okay.

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I love, but what's your drink?

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I didn't hear what your drink of choice

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was.

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You know what the drink is gonna be?

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Some white cranberry.

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Me and my family, me and my kids, we
take white cranberry real serious, right?

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Like, we buy white cranberry and
it's like you gotta ration that out.

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Like, when you're pouring
the cup, is it at the line?

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You can't even have a drop
more than anybody else.

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So it's gonna have to be a nice
full glass of white cranberry.

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Okay.

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Okay, I'm feeling that.

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It's very delicious, very refreshing.

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I love it.

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Yes.

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Um, so We Should Talk is all about
how I share and I talk to folks about

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how they define freedom and success.

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After years of being an entrepreneur,
of being a content creator, of just

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being a human, and being just a
girl, I'm like, wait a minute, right?

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I hit my 30s and I was
like, wait a minute.

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The way I was taught to look at success
versus how success actually shows

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up in people's lives are so unique.

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Every single person, no matter if they
had a similar career background, a

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similar education background, what success
looks like for them as they live their

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lives, create their families, or just
interact with the world, is so unique

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and different, and I don't think we have
enough stories of how your version of

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success could look truly unique to you.

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So on this show we talk about how, what,
what does freedom actually look like for

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you, and how you've achieved your success.

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So that's what we're gonna
be talking about today.

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But to kinda reel it back, let's
talk about when we first met.

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It was International Women's Day, um,
of 2026, and I'm on this line, right?

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I trooped from Brooklyn, and
where did you come from, Natarsha?

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I mean, you came from the Bronx.

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I drove from DC.

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We went to Brooklyn, and she
came from, what did you say?

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Uh, I drove from DC.

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So she drove from DC, I went from the
Bronx to Brooklyn, and if you are from

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New York City you know Bronx to Brooklyn,
that is a once a quarter type trip.

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Um, but DC, right, driving into
Brooklyn, that's, that says like,

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"Okay, what's, what's going on here?

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That's something important." So
I get there, I'm on the line, and

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there's this lady in front of me,
and on her bag is this like, um,

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bandana, and I'm like, "Hmm," a scarf.

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And I'm like, "Hmm, the only people
that have that scarf are people that

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completed the Goldman Sachs 1 Million
Black Women program," and I'm like,

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"I did that program, so maybe…

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Let me ask her." So you know, I'm not
shy, so I ta- I was like, "Hey, did,

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were you a part of the program?" And
so we start chopping it up and I, we

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find out that I was a part of, uh,
cohort six, and what cohort did you do?

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I'm cohort eight.

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Cohort eight.

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Um, so we pretty much took the
same program about a year apart,

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and I was like, "Okay, great."

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And as we started to talk more
and interact, we realized that

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we were doing very similar work.

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We had operations backgrounds, we were
exploring a lot of AI, and we wanna

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help people think and work smarter
and more efficiently, especially

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leveraging AI in the modern day.

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So tell us a little bit about what you
were building that day at the lovable,

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uh, She Builds, um, hackathon in Brooklyn.

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So I was building a AI literacy
and readiness platform,

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and it was, it was crazy.

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I can't believe I built that.

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Uh, I think we were there for maybe
four hours, but- Yeah … funny

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enough, I end up closing it down.

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So the event was over.

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I d- I can't remember what time
it was over specifically, but I

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didn't end up leaving until 8:00

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that night.

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Oh, shoot.

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Oh my goodness.

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Because I ha- I had to finish.

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I just had to finish.

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I could not, I could not drive
back home and it wasn't done.

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And I think that, you know, when you're
at a hackathon, buildathon event, it's

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like it's in your head and you just wanna
get it out, and I just had to get it out.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they were still cleaning up when I…
So I was like, "Well, they ain't put me

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out, so let me go ahead and finish." So
I was like, "Oh, let me finish." So I was

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able to finish there, so it was great.

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Yeah.

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And I, and I love that, right?

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And everybody's talking about vibe
coding, so if this is your first time

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hearing any of these words, buildathon,
hackathon, vibe coding, is essentially

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an opportunity where you will use coding,
and there's many ways to use code.

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So you could either do no code, which
are like drag and drop solutions.

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You could leverage AI, which is
called vibe coding, where essentially

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you're talking to the AI and it's
building out the code base, right?

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To create a website or an app for you.

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So that's what we were doing.

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So it's like a vibe coding buildathon, and
Lovable is one of the platforms that, um,

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allows you to do this, like kinda talking
to the AI and having it code for you.

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Uh, there are a few other platforms,
but Lovable is one of the top ones.

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And on International Women's Day,
they were giving away, uh, unlimited

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credits for that day, which credits
are the world's fast, world's

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fast in the world of building AI.

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It's like Pac-Man out here, like
they just be eating up your tokens.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You need more tokens.

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Like I gotta go, I gotta
get back in the game.

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So listen, if you got unlimited
tokens, you gonna stay there till

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8:00, even if you have to drive,
you know, a couple hours back home.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And so what inspired that?

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Like what made you, um… And real quick,
I'll tell y'all what I was building.

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So I was building, uh, an evaluation
tool for people that, small

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businesses to figure out how much
money their business was leaking.

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And again, I was shocked that I was able
to build that in four hours, as well

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as like this app that I'm working on.

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It's a little hush-hush.

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I'll tell you about that later.

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Um, but what inspired you to,
one, drive all the way from DC?

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Like what made you do that, and why
did you wanna build this, uh, app?

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What inspired me was my community.

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And prior to literally, uh,
less than a few weeks from

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that, uh- She built the event.

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I was doing some AI training February,
and one of the common things that kept

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coming up as I was doing that training
was, "Wait, I didn't know about AI.

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I didn't know about this." Um, and th-
these were everyday working professionals

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that I was training for, and their local
church had hosted those training series

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for them for the month of February I
started that month doing trainings on,

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you know, everything from AI foundations
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and then I ended it on a panel.

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And one of the… Every- everybody
kept saying the same thing, "Wow,

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I- when can we do this again?

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I, I didn't know about… I
didn't know AI could do this.

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Where can I find more information?

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Where can I learn about it?" And
there was no resources to give them

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at work tailored for everyday people.

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Mm-hmm.

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Everything right now in the industry is
for enterprise level people, people who

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are scaling with AI, people who- Mm-hmm

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are, you know, the tech is
like super advanced, right?

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People when they're everyday working
professionals I was working with, they're

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thinking AI is like A- uh, uh, iRobot.

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Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Right?

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So when they think of AI, they're thinking
that, but they're not seeing it for the

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practical ways that you can use it in your
everyday life, how it can make it more

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efficient or how it can save you time, how
it can give you back hours in your day,

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how it can also help you make more money.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like they're, they just
could not grasp that concept.

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They couldn't grasp-
Yeah … that concept.

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And so the church wasn't
offering another training.

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It, you know, it, it just wasn't
even a thing that was on their radar.

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They just was doing it for that month
because it was Black History Month.

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And so that was it.

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And I was like, "This can't
be the end." Like, this cannot

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be the end of your journey.

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Like, you need to keep learning
because we've built up this momentum.

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You need to keep feeding your curiosity.

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And I left that event feeling
like, oh, I wish I could do more.

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And the resources that I provided them
were just kind of like I was grasping.

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But I'm like, your local library should
be able to offer something like this.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they told you should
let them know you want it.

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And so I just felt convicted because
if the only resource I can give you for

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everyday people to learn about AI is go
to your library, then me as a, just a,

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a, a woman who is a strategist, who loves
tech, who loves helping people, who is

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a problem solver, who, uh, identify gaps
and find solutions, for me to not be

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able to find a solution that was tangible
for them just was not enough for me.

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And so, you know, over the course
of a couple of weeks, I kept saying,

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"How, what can I do?" And then I
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And then from there, um, it, it
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things that I did not… I, like
my mind couldn't even conceive.

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And so Right after we built our apps,
two weeks later, well, not two weeks,

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10 days later, I actually was able to
pitch that app in front of Amazon AWS.

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Mm. Which is, which is a crazy tri- uh,
a crazy kind of turn of events because

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I was selected to pitch my idea among
hundreds of, you know, applicants.

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I was able to go build out that idea,
build it at Lovable, and then was able

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to go pitch it in front of Amazon, and
I was able to get real-time feedback

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from investors and, um, Amazon and other
tech companies to make my app happen.

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And so that is a opportunity
I don't take for granted.

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I'm really excited
about what I'm building.

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Nice.

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Uh, uh, and I love that.

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And something that you said
really, like, sparked my, my brain.

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You said, "Feed your curiosity,"
and I love that because I

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feel like as individuals, as
humans, we're naturally curious.

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That's how we found out a lot of things.

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Like, we would not have fire-
Right … without somebody, you

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know, being a little curious.

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And I think in our current world
of work, there's not enough

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opportunities to feed your curiosity.

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You just have to, like, do a thing.

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Um, one thing, I'll just say random
thing that I recently picked back up.

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When I was a kid, I always used to
do Sudoku puzzles or, like, you know,

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color and stuff like that, and I'm
like, I, I don't do that as an adult.

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So what I did the other day, I, I
don't, I don't know what a Sudoku

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is, but I definitely bought me a
cute little coloring book, and I'm

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gonna… And I started coloring.

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Uh, well, I've only colored one page,
but, you know, feed your curiosity.

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Right.

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Experiment, play.

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And like you said, once you
have that momentum going, right?

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Um, an object in motion
stays in motion, right?

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We've seen that.

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That's why you had to keep going with
building your app- Right … when

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you were at the build-a-thon.

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And if you just cut off the learning,
cut off the curiosity, it's so hard

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to reignite that spark afterwards.

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So what you're building- Mm-hmm … is
essential and is necessary.

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And- What many people may not know
or discuss enough is that with

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learning anything new or just within
AI, what was important and what was

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relevant yesterday is now, like,
a decade old by tomorrow morning.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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And so if they stop off that
learning, the catch-up time is

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twice as much effort, twice as much
action required than anything else

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that we've ever learned before.

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Because no matter how much we learn
or how much we do, AI is always gonna

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be faster than us and smarter than us.

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It's a fact.

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This is a factual thing.

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And so not having those resources
readily available, man, is gonna, is

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creating this gap that we, we don't
even know what it's gonna look like

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and how it's going to transform the
world in the next two, the next year

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much less… I wouldn't, I wouldn't
even wanna say five years to a year.

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In the next year.

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Literally.

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The next five days.

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Um, so have you always been doing this?

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Like, tell us a little bit
about what you did, uh, before

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getting into the work of AI.

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Sure, I would love to.

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But before I do that, I got so excited
when I saw your coloring book because

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I recently just picked up, uh, coloring
again too, and I had gotten me a

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coloring book a couple months ago.

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But more recently I just, um, ordered Lego
set because I've been wanting to do Lego.

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So I'm, like, really
excited to get back into it.

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Because like you said, the best
analogy attracts things that really

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help your brain take a break but also-
Mm-hmm … challenge your mind was so

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important as a kid, and so I wanted
to figure out how could I bring back

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curiosity, um, into my everyday life
as an adult and what that looks like.

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So I was so excited to see you color.

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Um, so for me, prior to this
I've always been a tech girly.

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But personally for me, not to
train and teach other people,

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you know, AI is not new.

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It's, it's always been
around for a very long time.

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Mm-hmm.

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But how I got on this particular path
of being an AI trainer, AI facilitator a

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consultant is that maybe about a, a year
ago, um, in my, my nine-to-five job, we

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started to have some changes, and one of
the things that they were advocating and

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pushing for is for us to upskill in AI.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so because of that, I started
to see the writings on the wall.

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And because of that, I started to say,
okay, well, for my nine-to-five, my

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profession, how do I want to… Yeah,
you're telling me to learn it, but you're

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not telling me why I need to learn it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, I'm a smart girl.

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I know.

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I, I look at the news and I, I read.

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I know why, but as an organization, you're
not telling me, as an organization, why

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do I need to know for my specific role,
especially because I know that there's

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a threat that AI can take my job, right?

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And so if I am learning it, am I
learning it so that it can replace me-

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Mm-hmm … or am I learning it to be
more productive and efficient in my role?

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And so all of that started
to get my wheels to spinning.

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I started to pay more attention in
meetings when they started talking about

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AI because now I'm like, wait a minute,
this is about to take over my job.

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And well, let me learn it so I can see
why it's taking over my job and why AI

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is better than me at what I do be- Oh,
and no matter what we do, nobody could

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do what we can do better than we can.

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Exactly.

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Right?

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And so with AIs, how can I use
it to amplify the work that I do?

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And so I started to reframe my thinking
around AI and stop being fearful of

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it taking my job and replacing me, and
figuring out how could I be such a value

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add and a asset in learning and knowing AI
that I'm gonna be irreplaceable even with-

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So I started to

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take trainings and learn about AI,
but the foundations of it, because

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again, everything is enterprise level,
so I had to go and find training

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that were, uh, specific to my job.

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So I work, um, as a project manager.

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I'm in operations, and I ended
up taking a certification

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program in, uh, AI governance.

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Mm-hmm.

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So because one of the things that was
important to me too was like, is AI safe?

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Yeah.

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Uh, and that, and that, and
that is where I started.

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That was my foundation is understanding
AI and understanding what makes it safe

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and not safe, and what doesn't matter
for my life and what doesn't matter

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for my business and, and my career.

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So I just started to learn the
foundations of it, and I'm still learning.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, but I think that based on where
I was at that time in my career, I

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needed to make a decision whether I
was gonna sit on the sidelines or if I

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was gonna get in the game, and so I had
to get in the game and, and learn AI.

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And so fast-forward, we got furloughed,
I don't know, it, it probably was

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maybe not, uh, six months after
that, we got furloughed for like

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45 days or something like that, or
almost 45 days we got furloughed.

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When we got furloughed, we weren't getting
paid, and then in my, in my business

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as an entrepreneur, I wasn't, I wasn't,
um, bringing in any money because at the

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time I was working the 9:00 to 5:00 and I
didn't need to work so hard in my- Mm-hmm

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in my, in my business.

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But when I d- had both of my streams
dry up, I said, "Oh no, absolutely

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not. Absolutely not." Because when
one stream is not making money,

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there's always a stream coming in.

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This is why I believe in having
multiple streams of income, because

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you just never know when one stream is
gonna, uh, the unexpected may happen.

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Mm-hmm.

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When that happened, I was like, "Oh my
gosh, I need to future-proof myself,"

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'cause one thing I know how to do is
make money, and I wasn't making no money.

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So I said, "Wait a minute.

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What's going on here?" And so I said,
"Let me figure out what I need to do

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to future-proof my business." So I took
what I was doing, uh, just personally

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trying to build upskill in AI to saying,
"Okay, now I need to build my business

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and future-proof my business too."

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Um, and the AI was just one of the
things that was always top of mind

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for me, and especially because
we're in the AI revolution, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And I'm seeing how it's transforming
and changing people lives, and

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I was like, "Is this real?" So I
had to figure it out for myself.

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And so as I'm seeing people who are
integrating AI into their entrepreneur

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offers and those who are not- You know,
I hate saying this, that you gonna

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get left behind if you don't adopt.

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Yep.

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But, but baby, we don't have no
choice but to figure out how are we

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gonna apply AI to what we're doing.

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So how can I take my specific
expertise and put AI on top of that?

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So I'm not doing anything new, but what
AI is doing for me is amplifying the work

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that I do, which is completely different
than not, not learning it at all.

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Even if, even if you don't do anything
with the AI knowledge that you're

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learning- Mm-hmm … but at least you're
aware and at least- Yep … you know,

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and I'd rather know than not know.

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I don't like feeling like I'm left
behind, and maybe that's FOMO.

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But, uh, I just really believe that
just knowing, I just have a peace of

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mind knowing what it is and what it's
capable of doing and what's possible.

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So that is kind of a little bit long,
long story made longer about, uh, you

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know, where I was before I got here.

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And, and once I started to go all in
with AI back in November, this is again,

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around the time I got furloughed, is when
things started to take a turn in my, in

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my I, I don't even, I, I, I still can't
believe how quickly things are moving

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now that I decided to prioritize AI as
an entrepreneur and also just really

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figuring out what's gonna be my lane.

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Because there- Mm-hmm … there's a
lot of a, there's a lot of noise here.

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Yep.

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100%. And, and a- it's a lot of noise
here in the AI space, and you can

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get consumed by it if you don't If
you don't laser focus in on figuring

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out what you want your lane to be-

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Mm-hmm

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…
I, I cannot eat the whole AI pie.

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I just cannot.

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I, and I don't want to, but what is the
thing that lights me up is helping people.

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And so how can I use AI to help other
people find the, the time freedom, um,

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that they desire so they, they, so that
they can live a better quality of life?

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Yeah.

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A- a- and I love that, right?

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It's, there's so many different paths,
and within any technology that we've

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ever gotten… Um, I saw a video
the other day that I really liked.

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It was from, um, Rachel Rogers,
and she said, um, you know, when

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people think of AI, right, we've
always had technological advances.

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Does the person using the vacuum,
is that bad compared to the

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person that's using the broom?

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Right?

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Is it more natural to use the broom?

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Why don't you use your hand?

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Right.

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Why don't you, you know,
scrape it up, right?

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You know, the, the, the dust feathers.

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Like there's… We've had to continuously
evolve alongside the technology

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that's here to support us and like
allow us to be stronger, faster, more

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efficient, and then get back those
time to be curious and go color and,

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um, play Sudoku or build our Lego set.

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But what's happening right now is that
there's a big scramble, and within

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any new, new change or adoption of
something, there's gonna be a little

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bit of like, what should we do?

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What should we not do?

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What's important?

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What's not important?

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But staying curious, asking questions,
um, you know, you talked about how

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your first thing was going into
AI governance, like is this safe?

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Is this secure?

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You're asking all the right
questions, but I think so many people,

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unfortunately, they're just afraid.

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They're like, "I'm gonna,
I don't wanna lose my job.

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I'm just gonna, you know, put my head
down, put my head in the sand, and this

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00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:43,175
will blow over if I say I don't like it."
But that's just not how reality works,

449
00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:47,448
and so it's better to be in the know,
as you stated- Mm-hmm … versus like

450
00:23:47,579 --> 00:23:52,547
being unaware and like other players get
to determine how your existence show up.

451
00:23:53,017 --> 00:23:54,311
But I wanna tag back- Right.

452
00:23:54,311 --> 00:23:55,887
Exactly … I wanna tag
back into something.

453
00:23:55,887 --> 00:23:58,019
You mentioned having
multiple streams of income.

454
00:23:58,019 --> 00:24:00,005
You have your 9:00 to 5:00,
you have your business.

455
00:24:00,627 --> 00:24:03,272
In our modern day, do you
think that everybody should

456
00:24:03,281 --> 00:24:04,779
have how many streams, right?

457
00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:07,237
We hear all on social media all the time,
"You got to have seven streams of income."

458
00:24:07,561 --> 00:24:12,549
But what do you think is like a reasonable
amount that you feel like everyone should

459
00:24:12,561 --> 00:24:14,641
have when it comes to like income streams?

460
00:24:15,534 --> 00:24:20,421
At least, at, at minimum you should have
at least one additional stream of income.

461
00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:23,668
I too used to, uh,

462
00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:26,259
I read-

463
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:31,606
I'm at a loss for words because
you're absolutely right.

464
00:24:31,616 --> 00:24:35,930
Like, we always hear seven streams of
income, but that's just not realistic.

465
00:24:36,135 --> 00:24:36,388
Mm-hmm.

466
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,366
Just, ah, I've been, I've been trying
to achieve seven streams of income

467
00:24:41,372 --> 00:24:44,270
since, I can't even tell you how long.

468
00:24:44,311 --> 00:24:47,851
It's been decades I've been trying
to achieve seven stra- seven streams.

469
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:54,029
But the reality of it is, until you can
master one stream, you should not be

470
00:24:54,086 --> 00:24:57,695
adding on any additional streams until
you can get one, and the reason why I

471
00:24:57,705 --> 00:25:04,557
say that is because if I'm trying to do
seven streams, I'm not giving my best

472
00:25:04,557 --> 00:25:08,691
to any of those streams because there
t- there's a lot of work that needs

473
00:25:08,691 --> 00:25:10,711
to happen just to build one stream.

474
00:25:10,945 --> 00:25:11,689
Mm-hmm.

475
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,772
And until I can get to my freedom
number in one stream, I should not

476
00:25:17,787 --> 00:25:20,256
be adding any additional streams.

477
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:25,716
It's just n- it's, it's no way possible
until you can get that one stream going

478
00:25:25,735 --> 00:25:30,002
where it don't need you anymore, then I
can focus on building the next stream.

479
00:25:30,191 --> 00:25:34,304
And the only way that a person, I
believe, but this is my opinion, the

480
00:25:34,306 --> 00:25:39,206
only way somebody can make seven streams
of income is if they have a team.

481
00:25:39,741 --> 00:25:40,483
100%.

482
00:25:41,013 --> 00:25:42,100
You need a team.

483
00:25:42,129 --> 00:25:48,048
It's no way a solo individual, even with
AI, and you're gonna… We'll hear over

484
00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:52,624
the years, like, people are building,
you know, one-person agencies with AI.

485
00:25:52,902 --> 00:25:52,928
Mm-hmm.

486
00:25:52,928 --> 00:26:00,029
And that's great, but the everyday
person, I'm not willing to, they're

487
00:26:00,029 --> 00:26:04,013
not willing to make, and I'm not
willing to make that kind of sacrifice

488
00:26:04,059 --> 00:26:05,570
to build that kind of business.

489
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:05,612
Yeah.

490
00:26:05,619 --> 00:26:07,132
And that's the reality of it.

491
00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:07,770
Yeah.

492
00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:07,780
Like,

493
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:10,218
what are you willing, what
are you willing to give up-

494
00:26:10,411 --> 00:26:10,957
Mm-hmm

495
00:26:10,962 --> 00:26:14,391
…
and sacrifice so that you
can have those seven streams?

496
00:26:14,423 --> 00:26:18,851
And if we're not being honest and asking
ourselves that question, then you're not

497
00:26:18,852 --> 00:26:20,867
gonna be able to even manage one stream.

498
00:26:21,187 --> 00:26:21,808
Mm-hmm.

499
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,580
'
Cause there's a certain level of
discipline that, that a person has to

500
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:28,438
have to have that many streams of income.

501
00:26:28,536 --> 00:26:30,151
I don't care how much help you got.

502
00:26:32,064 --> 00:26:38,121
There's a discipline that most people
don't even want to do because it's, it

503
00:26:38,121 --> 00:26:39,352
means they have to give up something.

504
00:26:39,353 --> 00:26:40,760
They're gonna have to sacrifice something.

505
00:26:40,762 --> 00:26:45,161
They're gonna not live a certain
quality of life, because it's gonna

506
00:26:45,176 --> 00:26:49,797
require them to be visible and show
up in ways that they don't want to.

507
00:26:50,011 --> 00:26:50,305
Mm-hmm.

508
00:26:50,356 --> 00:26:55,009
So this is, and this is why I say at a
minimum, at least one additional stream,

509
00:26:55,012 --> 00:27:01,753
because you can have one additional stream
of income of passive income And not be

510
00:27:01,755 --> 00:27:03,416
stressed out and burnt out and overwhelmed

511
00:27:04,197 --> 00:27:04,733
Yeah.

512
00:27:04,936 --> 00:27:07,646
I, I, I like that a lot, and
some stuff that you want- you

513
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:09,106
said that I wanna pull on, right?

514
00:27:09,593 --> 00:27:12,884
People don't realize the, the
level of sacrifice, right?

515
00:27:12,903 --> 00:27:16,806
That's a word that we, you know, we see
in a lot of, like, religious texts or

516
00:27:16,806 --> 00:27:20,224
people say, you know, "I'm sacrificing
this for that." But when you really

517
00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:25,545
gotta sacrifice something, you're
like, "Oh, I, I don't, I don't wanna do

518
00:27:25,547 --> 00:27:29,563
that." And discipline require… There
is no discipline without sacrifice.

519
00:27:29,563 --> 00:27:33,302
You're giving something up, whether
that's your time, your energy, your

520
00:27:33,302 --> 00:27:36,469
f- your, your freedom, you know,
allowing people to disrespect you.

521
00:27:36,476 --> 00:27:40,798
There are so many things, and we, we
minimize that, and I think especially

522
00:27:41,121 --> 00:27:44,505
as, you know, women with people of
color, like, this is… It's just

523
00:27:44,505 --> 00:27:49,204
so h- easy and habitual almost to
do the sacrifice that you think it's

524
00:27:49,204 --> 00:27:50,840
a part of the ingredient, right?

525
00:27:50,844 --> 00:27:53,776
Versus- Yes … you think, "Oh, I
like… Oh, I…" You don't even count

526
00:27:53,781 --> 00:27:57,097
it as sacrifice because you're like,
"Oh, that's expected." But it is a

527
00:27:57,097 --> 00:28:01,043
sacrifice, and you have to say, "Do
I wanna keep giving this thing up,

528
00:28:01,097 --> 00:28:02,726
or do I want this for myself," right?

529
00:28:02,972 --> 00:28:06,148
I said I w- you know, we just both
talked about doing Legos and coloring

530
00:28:06,148 --> 00:28:09,177
and, um, you know, all sorts of
stuff, and somebody might look at

531
00:28:09,178 --> 00:28:10,403
that like, "Oh, you're so frivolous.

532
00:28:10,404 --> 00:28:12,481
You just don't wanna do the
work." Well, guess what?

533
00:28:12,509 --> 00:28:15,480
I do not wanna work on weekends even
though I'm a, I'm a business owner.

534
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,223
I don't wanna work 40 hours a week.

535
00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,880
I, I wanna work 20 if possible.

536
00:28:19,993 --> 00:28:22,232
Less than that if, if I'm
being real and honest with you.

537
00:28:22,511 --> 00:28:26,383
I wanna frolic and
chill, uh, and, you know?

538
00:28:26,722 --> 00:28:30,727
And I wanna show up, and when I do show
up, be the best version of myself, the,

539
00:28:30,797 --> 00:28:35,055
you know, killer entrepreneur, straight,
steady, no play around, stiff face- Mm-hmm

540
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:38,034
get, get the work done, and
then when I'm done, I'm out.

541
00:28:38,074 --> 00:28:41,241
And when I tell… When, when, when
people interact with me outside of work,

542
00:28:41,364 --> 00:28:44,381
they're just like What is happening?

543
00:28:44,381 --> 00:28:45,087
Like, who are you?

544
00:28:45,087 --> 00:28:47,414
And I was like, oh, like that's done.

545
00:28:47,426 --> 00:28:48,197
That's over there.

546
00:28:48,418 --> 00:28:51,859
Where like I gotta make sure that my
money is green and- Correct … that

547
00:28:51,859 --> 00:28:55,553
I don't have to be stressed out
and I'm not anxious all the time.

548
00:28:55,846 --> 00:28:58,781
And that's how, you know, that's kinda
what brought me to this show, 'cause I was

549
00:28:58,785 --> 00:29:02,978
like, what y'all said, right, when you're
growing up, you know, work twice as hard

550
00:29:02,978 --> 00:29:06,176
for half, and do this, and go to school,
and degree, and da, da, da, da, da.

551
00:29:06,628 --> 00:29:10,287
What y'all said was gonna give me
massive success and streams and da, da,

552
00:29:10,288 --> 00:29:13,882
da, da, da, it ain't what it's, it's
not giving what it's supposed to give.

553
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:14,622
And I do not-

554
00:29:14,668 --> 00:29:18,748
It's not giving, it's not giving, it's
not giving what it's supposed to give.

555
00:29:18,786 --> 00:29:20,709
That, that determined that was a lie.

556
00:29:20,967 --> 00:29:21,238
That

557
00:29:21,246 --> 00:29:22,048
determined- Yeah, yeah.

558
00:29:22,223 --> 00:29:23,493
False accusations.

559
00:29:25,031 --> 00:29:26,952
And I was like, "Uh, how can I opt out?

560
00:29:26,987 --> 00:29:27,217
Out.

561
00:29:27,242 --> 00:29:28,539
I wanna out.

562
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:31,237
I don't want this no more."
And then I thought, does that

563
00:29:31,237 --> 00:29:32,501
mean I don't want success?

564
00:29:32,501 --> 00:29:34,018
And I had to kinda question that.

565
00:29:34,317 --> 00:29:37,787
And I was like, as I started talking
to people, like doing one-on-one

566
00:29:37,787 --> 00:29:42,274
conversations like we're doing now, I
was like, oh, we all determined it's a

567
00:29:42,275 --> 00:29:45,275
lie, but nobody wanna say that out loud.

568
00:29:45,468 --> 00:29:46,437
Got it.

569
00:29:46,558 --> 00:29:50,194
So we should talk more, and that's
how I came up with the show name.

570
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,482
But it's important to have these
conversations, and I think, you

571
00:29:53,482 --> 00:29:56,960
know, whoever's watching this
out there, right, discipline is

572
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,460
required, sacrifice is required.

573
00:29:58,462 --> 00:29:59,962
These are, these are givens.

574
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:02,666
But you get to choose
your level of discipline.

575
00:30:02,673 --> 00:30:07,779
You get to choose what you sacrifice and
what you want your outcome to be, right?

576
00:30:07,786 --> 00:30:12,277
Some people, nine to five and maybe
like, you know, selling candies on the

577
00:30:12,277 --> 00:30:15,341
weekend at a farmers market, that's
what they want, and they feel great,

578
00:30:15,342 --> 00:30:16,576
and they can live their best life.

579
00:30:16,786 --> 00:30:17,048
Yeah.

580
00:30:17,048 --> 00:30:19,540
What is your … And I like what
you said, the freedom number.

581
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:23,588
So talk to us a little bit about what is,
what is a freedom number if, uh, for folks

582
00:30:23,607 --> 00:30:25,012
that have never heard of this before?

583
00:30:25,012 --> 00:30:26,112
Like, what does, what does that mean?

584
00:30:27,286 --> 00:30:34,705
A freedom number is your monetary value on
which you feel like you don't have to work

585
00:30:35,073 --> 00:30:39,766
as hard anymore to achieve that level of
success that you're, you're reaching for.

586
00:30:39,766 --> 00:30:46,807
So let's say, for example, my freedom
number is, is low right now because it

587
00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:48,541
seems like it's out of reach for me.

588
00:30:48,551 --> 00:30:51,843
So right now in this season, my
freedom number is $1 million.

589
00:30:53,145 --> 00:30:53,607
Okay.

590
00:30:53,657 --> 00:30:58,312
$1 million is my freedom number
because even though right now it

591
00:30:58,312 --> 00:31:01,818
seem out of reach, a million dollars
is actually really easy to make.

592
00:31:02,457 --> 00:31:06,321
It's easy to make because I've helped
other people make a million dollars.

593
00:31:06,385 --> 00:31:10,173
And because I've seen how I'm able
to help them make a million dollars,

594
00:31:10,218 --> 00:31:13,545
I was like, wait, I need to m-
I need to make that for myself.

595
00:31:14,049 --> 00:31:22,030
And so but they were willing to sacrifice
a lot of stuff to get there, and this is

596
00:31:22,106 --> 00:31:27,242
why I'm like, I don't know if I'm really
ready to make a million dollars because

597
00:31:28,574 --> 00:31:33,377
I, I really don't know if I really wanna
give up all that, my freedom Fair enough.

598
00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:34,165
Fair

599
00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:37,476
enough And that's, and that's why I
say my, that's the freedom number.

600
00:31:37,476 --> 00:31:41,189
Like, am I r- what freedoms
am I willing to give up-

601
00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:42,226
Mm-hmm

602
00:31:42,705 --> 00:31:44,105
…
to have this level of success?

603
00:31:44,132 --> 00:31:49,553
And so, you know, I go back and forth, and
that, that million dollars came from being

604
00:31:49,553 --> 00:31:55,328
in a program that we were in, and it, that
was the bare minimum that they gave us.

605
00:31:55,333 --> 00:32:01,222
My business advisor, when I told her
my, my number was too low, "Oh, if I

606
00:32:01,222 --> 00:32:07,550
can make $250,000, I'm good" She was
like, "Okay, so a million dollars.

607
00:32:07,569 --> 00:32:09,390
Got it." And I was like, "What?"

608
00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:13,062
You kidding me?

609
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,818
I was like, "No way." And she was
like, "Yeah, you can make a million

610
00:32:16,818 --> 00:32:22,247
dollars." And it was a mindset, and
I, I think this is true of myself,

611
00:32:22,254 --> 00:32:25,935
but also true of a lot of clients that
I coach, is that once we're able to

612
00:32:25,936 --> 00:32:32,437
get over the mindset blocks that we
have around money and making money-

613
00:32:32,707 --> 00:32:33,485
Mm-hmm

614
00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:35,822
it's easy to make money.

615
00:32:37,238 --> 00:32:37,668
Yeah.

616
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,075
I keep hearing that, and it's
like I, um… And I, and I will

617
00:32:42,076 --> 00:32:43,610
be honest too and transparent.

618
00:32:43,633 --> 00:32:46,974
When I would hear people say that,
and it's like, "No, it's not. We

619
00:32:46,974 --> 00:32:51,103
gotta do all this work. We gotta do
stuff." And, and I decided, you know,

620
00:32:51,121 --> 00:32:52,817
let's, let's sprinkle a little delulu.

621
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,205
If so many people are saying this, and
these people that are saying this have

622
00:32:57,205 --> 00:32:59,788
actually done it, I'ma shoot my shot.

623
00:32:59,863 --> 00:33:00,485
I'ma listen.

624
00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:04,522
I'ma just, for the shits and giggles,
and if I'm wrong and it don't work

625
00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:07,798
out, I can go back to them and be like,
"You lied to me." But- Yeah … at

626
00:33:07,798 --> 00:33:11,597
least let me try this way, because
the way that I thought was the way

627
00:33:11,597 --> 00:33:14,151
to go is giving me sleepless nights.

628
00:33:14,337 --> 00:33:15,234
I'm tired.

629
00:33:15,605 --> 00:33:17,462
M- the, the, the ends are not meeting.

630
00:33:17,462 --> 00:33:21,360
The ends is this far apart
and refuse to budge, so let me

631
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,789
try something else, you know?

632
00:33:22,833 --> 00:33:24,389
Let's, let's experiment with this, right?

633
00:33:24,391 --> 00:33:27,962
And that's tapping back into that
curiosity that we mentioned, which

634
00:33:28,024 --> 00:33:33,797
it's so easy to, to give up and deem,
like, having that curiosity, be willing

635
00:33:33,798 --> 00:33:38,508
to explore, like deem that childlike
activities where at the end of the

636
00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:42,653
day, I'm a child of God, so I'm a
child forever, um, first and foremost.

637
00:33:42,976 --> 00:33:47,241
And so- Exactly … why can't we do
those things that gave us that momentum

638
00:33:47,242 --> 00:33:51,324
to go to school and, you know, achieve
what we needed to achieve, and make

639
00:33:51,331 --> 00:33:53,937
friends, and grow, and do these things?

640
00:33:54,132 --> 00:33:58,242
Why do we have to stop growing because
we hit a number age or we've been in

641
00:33:58,242 --> 00:33:59,811
our career a certain amount of time?

642
00:33:59,826 --> 00:34:01,741
Like, who made that rule up?

643
00:34:02,197 --> 00:34:06,483
Is that even a rule, or is that something
that we put on ourselves based on what

644
00:34:06,543 --> 00:34:08,268
everybody else looks like they're doing?

645
00:34:08,445 --> 00:34:10,333
I can't watch cartoons
because that's for kids.

646
00:34:10,355 --> 00:34:13,235
Where, where in the bio did that
say only kids could watch this?

647
00:34:13,263 --> 00:34:14,844
It say starting at age four.

648
00:34:15,505 --> 00:34:16,565
It don't matter if you're 40.

649
00:34:16,565 --> 00:34:16,643
It,

650
00:34:16,643 --> 00:34:18,384
it don't have no ending age.

651
00:34:18,563 --> 00:34:19,629
It don't have no ending age.

652
00:34:19,648 --> 00:34:22,074
Four plus, they give the
minimums 13 and over.

653
00:34:22,078 --> 00:34:22,846
I'm over that.

654
00:34:22,918 --> 00:34:23,438
I'm good.

655
00:34:23,755 --> 00:34:25,589
I'm, I've met the minimum requirement.

656
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:29,001
But I think we count ourselves out
of opportunities that will allow

657
00:34:29,002 --> 00:34:30,969
us to really stretch as humans.

658
00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:35,493
And to tie it back into the beginning
of the conversation within AI, right?

659
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:39,591
AI is getting a lot of those tasks,
those redundancies off of our plate,

660
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,567
and what's happening is that we have
these things called idle space that,

661
00:34:42,567 --> 00:34:43,788
you know, you, you know about this.

662
00:34:43,797 --> 00:34:47,091
And so now when we spent eight
hours doing a task at work,

663
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,895
maybe that's now four hours.

664
00:34:48,931 --> 00:34:50,866
What do we do with that
additional four hours?

665
00:34:51,168 --> 00:34:55,129
And is it Is it not working
if you choose to build a Lego

666
00:34:55,161 --> 00:34:56,433
set for those next four hours?

667
00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:59,810
Or are you stretching your
mind in a different way, right?

668
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:02,620
And then that's, that's the
question I think is gonna be

669
00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:03,702
hitting in the next phase.

670
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,305
AI's giving us back time, do
we now just, like, do two days

671
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:08,935
of work, of work in one day?

672
00:35:08,937 --> 00:35:13,272
And now instead of working, you know,
five days a week, if we're working two

673
00:35:13,274 --> 00:35:15,497
days in one day, we just worked 10 days.

674
00:35:15,701 --> 00:35:18,602
And we're not realizing that our
brain doesn't have time to rest, to

675
00:35:18,602 --> 00:35:21,886
recoup, because we're trying to keep
up with this technology, and that's

676
00:35:21,886 --> 00:35:23,252
not how we are built as humans.

677
00:35:23,497 --> 00:35:26,490
That's not how we are meant
to operate within this system.

678
00:35:26,743 --> 00:35:30,272
We are supposed to work with the AI,
get work done in four hours, and then

679
00:35:30,484 --> 00:35:36,048
spend time, you know, expanding our
mind, experimenting, being curious,

680
00:35:36,064 --> 00:35:39,877
so that when we get into the next day
of new problems and new solutions,

681
00:35:40,076 --> 00:35:43,286
we can actually think of something
that's not just, boom, you know, we're

682
00:35:43,286 --> 00:35:44,933
not exhausted, we're not depleted.

683
00:35:45,247 --> 00:35:48,868
And I don't think enough people are
having a conversation about that, right?

684
00:35:48,868 --> 00:35:50,497
Like, what, what are
you seeing on your side?

685
00:35:52,274 --> 00:35:52,743
Same.

686
00:35:52,743 --> 00:35:52,754
Same.

687
00:35:52,935 --> 00:35:53,995
The same thing.

688
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:59,440
Is I, I, I have nothing to add to
this because this is 1,000% accurate.

689
00:35:59,482 --> 00:36:01,989
It's the same conversations
I'm hearing too.

690
00:36:02,886 --> 00:36:06,732
Yeah, and so I think, you know, as… I
hope somebody's watching this and they're

691
00:36:06,732 --> 00:36:08,426
like, the, the, the light bulb goes off.

692
00:36:08,446 --> 00:36:12,274
We have to now, the next phase of,
like, AI integration is like how do we

693
00:36:12,276 --> 00:36:16,881
manage the, the, the ba- the benefits
and the gains from AI to define, and

694
00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:21,098
then how do we redefine what freedom
and success looks like as we leverage

695
00:36:21,149 --> 00:36:23,307
AI, as we leverage tech in our workflow?

696
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:27,504
Um, I've been having a wonderful
conversation, but we have to wrap up.

697
00:36:27,558 --> 00:36:29,332
We're gonna wind down a little bit now.

698
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,353
Um, I wanna ask you some final,
like, quick questions, right?

699
00:36:35,461 --> 00:36:37,366
Should everybody use AI?

700
00:36:37,685 --> 00:36:38,678
Like, yes or no questions.

701
00:36:38,687 --> 00:36:39,989
Quick, ra- rapid fire.

702
00:36:40,712 --> 00:36:41,154
No.

703
00:36:41,629 --> 00:36:41,989
No.

704
00:36:41,998 --> 00:36:42,593
Why not?

705
00:36:44,504 --> 00:36:46,917
Because you don't need
to use AI for everything.

706
00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:48,763
Mm, yes.

707
00:36:48,797 --> 00:36:49,102
I like that

708
00:36:51,825 --> 00:36:56,064
Uh, if you're using AI, do you still need
to know how to do that thing manually?

709
00:36:57,051 --> 00:36:57,837
Yes.

710
00:36:59,194 --> 00:36:59,837
Thank you.

711
00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:00,370
Why?

712
00:37:00,388 --> 00:37:01,058
Yes.

713
00:37:01,211 --> 00:37:01,812
Yes.

714
00:37:02,216 --> 00:37:03,567
You need to know.

715
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:04,671
This is crazy.

716
00:37:04,683 --> 00:37:08,482
The fact that you would not know
is, is wild to me, and the reason

717
00:37:08,482 --> 00:37:09,747
is because you need to know.

718
00:37:09,823 --> 00:37:14,158
There is no, like, magical
answer as to this is gonna help

719
00:37:14,459 --> 00:37:15,667
you or it won't make it better.

720
00:37:16,173 --> 00:37:20,615
Everything that you do, before
you… I think back to my oper-

721
00:37:20,656 --> 00:37:22,486
um, so my operations background.

722
00:37:22,486 --> 00:37:24,429
I know you said quick, but
I, I have to explain this.

723
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:24,917
No, no, you got

724
00:37:24,919 --> 00:37:25,048
it.

725
00:37:25,048 --> 00:37:25,531
Go ahead.

726
00:37:26,618 --> 00:37:31,515
In operations, when we're managing
workflows in a day-to-day operations

727
00:37:31,515 --> 00:37:38,002
of how things should go, I can't
create a SOP on how to, how

728
00:37:38,002 --> 00:37:41,133
somebody should do something
unless I know how to do the role.

729
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,493
In order for me to tell someone
else how to do it, if I'm a C-

730
00:37:45,511 --> 00:37:47,153
I'm a CEO and I'm a founder.

731
00:37:47,153 --> 00:37:52,359
So as a CEO and founder, before I
can hire my first hire, before I can

732
00:37:52,366 --> 00:37:56,852
hire my next hire, I need to know how
everything runs in my company so that

733
00:37:56,894 --> 00:38:02,486
I can train my people to come in and
operate like I would so we can have

734
00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:05,991
the same, uh, values, same work ethics.

735
00:38:06,348 --> 00:38:09,584
You have the same heart and
drive behind what I do because it

736
00:38:09,584 --> 00:38:11,252
matters to me, it matters to you.

737
00:38:11,564 --> 00:38:16,392
But if you don't see it how it matters to
me, you're not, I'm not gonna be able to

738
00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:20,046
get a team to buy into anything that I'm
doing if I can't show them the vision.

739
00:38:20,689 --> 00:38:20,830
Exactly.

740
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:26,810
And if, and if I as a leader and a
founder cannot understand how things

741
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:30,636
work in my business, I should not be
doing that thing in a business at all.

742
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:37,843
Like, I shouldn't be the CEO and founder
of- You know, whatever, whatever thing, if

743
00:38:37,855 --> 00:38:40,228
I don't know how it, it runs and operates.

744
00:38:40,846 --> 00:38:42,370
I can't explain it to anybody.

745
00:38:42,371 --> 00:38:45,640
Why should you buy into anything that
I'm doing if I can't explain it to you?

746
00:38:46,078 --> 00:38:46,095
Mm-hmm.

747
00:38:46,095 --> 00:38:50,053
So this is why I say that
you should at least know.

748
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:50,731
Yep.

749
00:38:50,731 --> 00:38:53,896
Like, and, and that's why I
say everybody shouldn't use AI.

750
00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:58,627
Everybody don't need to use AI because
they don't understand how it applies

751
00:38:58,627 --> 00:38:59,893
to whatever it is they're doing.

752
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:03,296
Am I using AI to buy back time?

753
00:39:03,671 --> 00:39:08,579
Am I using it to replace tasks so
that I can use that time to go build

754
00:39:08,581 --> 00:39:13,080
something else or spend time with my
kids, or spend time with my significant

755
00:39:13,142 --> 00:39:15,293
other so that I can travel the world?

756
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:20,122
You have to understand why you want to
use AI before you use it, not because

757
00:39:20,153 --> 00:39:24,625
everybody else says you need to use it,
or because they're making us feel like

758
00:39:24,625 --> 00:39:26,564
we're left behind if we don't adopt it.

759
00:39:27,502 --> 00:39:27,740
Mm-hmm.

760
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:32,192
It, it… There are so many companies
right now, and I know this because

761
00:39:32,525 --> 00:39:36,630
talking to founders is they're spending
all this money on these AI tools-

762
00:39:36,836 --> 00:39:37,073
Mm-hmm

763
00:39:37,965 --> 00:39:42,546
without doing a proper
assessment of how can AI help me?

764
00:39:42,937 --> 00:39:43,457
Mm-hmm.

765
00:39:44,364 --> 00:39:47,115
And if you don't know, you're gonna
spend your money on all these tools,

766
00:39:47,115 --> 00:39:48,031
and guess what's gonna happen?

767
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,639
You're not using the tools because
you got, you're overwhelmed, and now

768
00:39:51,641 --> 00:39:54,608
you're spending all of this money
and you're in these subscriptions,

769
00:39:55,597 --> 00:39:58,237
and you gonna have to come and

770
00:40:00,316 --> 00:40:02,152
you gonna have to come
to us so we can fix it.

771
00:40:03,062 --> 00:40:03,600
Legit.

772
00:40:03,608 --> 00:40:04,105
Legit.

773
00:40:04,117 --> 00:40:05,894
It's like, it's a never ending cycle.

774
00:40:05,896 --> 00:40:08,131
And you know, again, I feel like
you're preaching to the choir, like

775
00:40:08,131 --> 00:40:09,573
you're literally speaking my language.

776
00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:14,114
And people, when you say this to people,
like, slow down, think, find your why.

777
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:16,624
Like, figure you, you
gotta have the base, right?

778
00:40:16,624 --> 00:40:17,685
We call it human in the loop.

779
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,940
It starts with a human, AI and tech in
the middle, and then ends with a human,

780
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,599
and people are not doing that, right?

781
00:40:23,601 --> 00:40:27,942
If we outsource our critical
thinking, right, one, we have less

782
00:40:27,948 --> 00:40:30,426
critical thinking to work with in
the future, and we never stretch

783
00:40:30,426 --> 00:40:31,991
that muscle, and it's gonna atrophy.

784
00:40:31,991 --> 00:40:35,486
And then when you're in a compromising
situ- s- uh, situation, AI can't

785
00:40:35,501 --> 00:40:38,180
help you figure out if you're in
a savanna how to run from a lion.

786
00:40:38,207 --> 00:40:40,805
If you start, "Oh, how do I
run fast? Do I have to climb a

787
00:40:40,805 --> 00:40:42,483
tree?" You're screwed, my friend.

788
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:45,997
And so you need to know the basics still.

789
00:40:46,032 --> 00:40:50,622
Um, the last final rapid fire
question is should kids use AI?

790
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,728
And I know it may not be fa- uh, rapid.

791
00:40:53,782 --> 00:40:54,893
Should kids use AI?

792
00:40:55,779 --> 00:40:57,440
Oh, this is tough.

793
00:40:58,045 --> 00:41:01,956
The reason why it's tough is
it, the same applies for adults.

794
00:41:02,214 --> 00:41:02,718
Mm-hmm.

795
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:05,035
It just depends on the situation.

796
00:41:05,185 --> 00:41:07,645
I, I just, it's, it's gonna vary.

797
00:41:07,649 --> 00:41:11,680
Like, uh- Results may vary.

798
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:15,048
Results may vary.

799
00:41:15,209 --> 00:41:17,434
Uh, they're using it now.

800
00:41:17,717 --> 00:41:17,809
Mm-hmm.

801
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:21,513
I mean, from the time they come
out of the wombs and a parent gives

802
00:41:21,514 --> 00:41:24,333
a kid a tablet, they're using AI.

803
00:41:25,047 --> 00:41:25,616
Mm-hmm.

804
00:41:26,188 --> 00:41:27,515
So should they use it?

805
00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:32,651
It, you know, is up for debate, and that's
the, a debate I don't wanna be a part of.

806
00:41:32,997 --> 00:41:33,717
Uh, fair enough.

807
00:41:33,724 --> 00:41:34,029
Fair enough.

808
00:41:34,076 --> 00:41:40,658
I, I'll say sh- I would say kids should
learn it and learn how to properly use it,

809
00:41:40,658 --> 00:41:42,398
like how you started with AI governance.

810
00:41:42,405 --> 00:41:42,415
Yes.

811
00:41:42,787 --> 00:41:44,975
And they should still
learn the basics, right?

812
00:41:44,976 --> 00:41:45,000
Yes.

813
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:48,391
And the reason why I asked the ba- should
the people learn the basics question, I

814
00:41:48,392 --> 00:41:52,200
was doing a training the other day, and
one of the people, manager level, you

815
00:41:52,201 --> 00:41:56,422
know, no shade, she asked, she said, "Do
we, why do we need to still learn the

816
00:41:56,424 --> 00:41:59,931
basics if you just showed me how AI could
create this Google Doc in two minutes?"

817
00:41:59,949 --> 00:42:04,181
And I was like, "Well, you knowing the
basics will allow you to say, this is a

818
00:42:04,182 --> 00:42:07,527
good Google Doc, or this is a bad Google
Doc." And if you can't direct the AI,

819
00:42:07,531 --> 00:42:11,017
if you can't manage it, then it's gonna
spit out whatever you want, and that

820
00:42:11,017 --> 00:42:12,638
does not mean it's right and credible.

821
00:42:12,662 --> 00:42:14,578
You have a result, but
is it a good result?

822
00:42:14,667 --> 00:42:15,554
What does good look like?

823
00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:16,619
What does success look like?

824
00:42:16,858 --> 00:42:21,101
And that variance in our personal
lives also translates into the work

825
00:42:21,101 --> 00:42:22,361
that we do in our professional lives.

826
00:42:22,361 --> 00:42:26,632
And if you don't know what you
want, what you think is good, what

827
00:42:26,632 --> 00:42:30,346
your company standardized as good,
whatever that output is, it's

828
00:42:30,374 --> 00:42:31,969
gonna be bad and you will be fired.

829
00:42:32,175 --> 00:42:35,099
Um, it don't matter if it did it in
two seconds or not, if you don't know

830
00:42:35,099 --> 00:42:39,878
how to quality assure it or check it
or, you know, s- put it up to your

831
00:42:39,879 --> 00:42:42,231
standard, you're, you're screwed over.

832
00:42:42,455 --> 00:42:44,277
Um, any final

833
00:42:44,281 --> 00:42:44,513
thoughts

834
00:42:44,522 --> 00:42:44,872
on that?

835
00:42:44,872 --> 00:42:45,361
And just because- Yeah, go ahead.

836
00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:45,672
Go ahead.

837
00:42:46,203 --> 00:42:46,818
I'm sorry.

838
00:42:46,834 --> 00:42:49,283
Just to piggyback on what you
were saying, and just because

839
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:51,115
it can doesn't mean it should.

840
00:42:51,298 --> 00:42:51,725
Mm.

841
00:42:51,747 --> 00:42:58,930
Just because AI can do it and you see what
is possible doesn't mean that it should.

842
00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:02,769
It doesn't even apply to your
situation, so here we go forcing AI

843
00:43:02,786 --> 00:43:07,742
to operate- There are ways that…
We all, it don't take all of that.

844
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,883
It don't take all of that

845
00:43:10,344 --> 00:43:10,623
Yeah,

846
00:43:10,623 --> 00:43:11,603
yeah It don't take all of that

847
00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:12,794
Uh-huh.

848
00:43:12,795 --> 00:43:13,922
It don't take all of that.

849
00:43:13,922 --> 00:43:14,577
Oh, yeah.

850
00:43:15,029 --> 00:43:15,962
It don't take all of that.

851
00:43:15,963 --> 00:43:16,639
I like that.

852
00:43:16,999 --> 00:43:20,204
Um, so thank you so much for being
here with me today, Natarsha.

853
00:43:20,511 --> 00:43:22,843
Any final words of advice?

854
00:43:22,865 --> 00:43:24,087
Again, back to the aliens.

855
00:43:24,087 --> 00:43:26,485
The aliens are about to take
you alone off this planet.

856
00:43:26,637 --> 00:43:28,896
What is your final words to human society?

857
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:32,157
It will be broadcasted on every
TV, phone, website, everything.

858
00:43:32,157 --> 00:43:33,859
What, what you saying last to the people?

859
00:43:34,771 --> 00:43:36,309
Feed your curiosity.

860
00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:39,997
Mm. I would drop the mic,
but I don't wanna break it.

861
00:43:40,236 --> 00:43:42,522
Um, but me- metaphorically
just dropped the mic.

862
00:43:44,456 --> 00:43:46,968
Thank you so much, Natarsha,
for being here with us.

863
00:43:47,055 --> 00:43:49,912
Um, if you watched this episode
and you really enjoyed it, make

864
00:43:49,912 --> 00:43:51,403
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865
00:43:51,578 --> 00:43:54,528
I'm gonna include some in- information
for you to follow and check out

866
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:57,765
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go and check that out as well.

867
00:43:58,071 --> 00:44:01,353
Um, we'll see you in another episode
of We Should Talk, because we have

868
00:44:01,353 --> 00:44:05,107
important conversations about what
does freedom and success and living

869
00:44:05,107 --> 00:44:09,658
your best, most happiest, healthiest,
wealthiest lives could look like.

870
00:44:09,669 --> 00:44:12,359
So thank you so much, Natarsha,
and I will talk to you again soon.

871
00:44:13,531 --> 00:44:14,031
Thank you.

872
00:44:14,044 --> 00:44:15,229
Thanks for having me.

873
00:44:15,496 --> 00:44:15,909
Take care.

874
00:44:15,915 --> 00:44:16,441
Bye.

875
00:44:16,473 --> 00:44:16,695
You're welcome.

876
00:44:16,938 --> 00:44:17,745
Bye.