Let's Talk with Carl Lee - Championship Mindsets, WNBA Growth, and Two-Way Dreams: Alexis Hornbuckle Joins Let's Talk

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frequent co hosts Lisa Odie and Hollis Lewis as they
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dot com. The conversation starts now, this is Let's Talk.
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
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And I have Hollis Lewis, what's so, What's up? And
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Lisa Odie, who are my co host of the show.
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And ladies and gentlemen, we have we have. I'm going
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to say a spectacular guest today. We we typically and
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I'm not taking anything away from our past guest, but
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I think this one is to me pretty special, and
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I think Hollis is gonna do the intro. Yeah, we
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got you know, West Virginia basketball legend Tennessee former Tennessee
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volunteer basketball player first round draft pick Alexis Hornbooker. How
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you doing doing well? Great? Doing great? Alexis one of
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the interesting things that I have from being from West
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Virginia playing in the NFL and and when people try
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to talk to you about like what it's like, what
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it's all of that? Can you can you kind of
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give people the insight of what your experience in the
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in the w n b A was and is to
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you even today.
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Because you can dream it. Right. Obviously a lot of
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athletes do in all sports, but very few reached that
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level or reach that that their goals when it comes
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to that level, And so like when you hear your
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name called or you see it go across the screen,
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however it goes for you. For me being there and
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hearing my name called at number four, overall, like I
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was just cheasing from ear to ear full full disclosure,
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though we won the night before and then the draft
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was the next day, so I was also like no sleep,
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So it was very surreal. But it's just this overwhelming
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feel feelings but just like joy, elation and and even
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that sigh of release like Okay, I'm here, you know
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I'm going.
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To ask one more tough question, probably, and then I'll
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let everybody else jump in. When did you know that
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you you were? You were that lady like you when
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they call your name, you get out on the court
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and you're like, oh, yeah, I can do this, and
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not only can I do this, I could do it
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at a high level. When did you get that moment
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or did you get that moment?
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Yeah? I got that moment and it happened really young
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for me. Honestly, it happened I was like nine or ten,
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and I started playing organized basketball and soccer when I
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was four, and I did travel soccer too. But we
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came back from a national Yboa tournament. We were the
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first team from West Virginia to win. It ended up
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in Sports illustrated faces in the crowd, and I'm just like, wow,
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I'm actually I'm right.
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Well, well, well you're more than all right for sure.
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And I'm just going to start to here now again.
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So sometimes we do our little barbershop, the base and
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all that Missus Hollis and a lot of times were
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here in West Virginia, and I guess any state would
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do it. They always talk about who's the greatest basketball
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football player? D D. I would say, this is my
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opinion that that Lexus Hornbuckle is the greatest basketball player
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men and women ever in the state of West Virginia.
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How would you respond to that, Don't give me the
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humble because you all work. Don't give me the humble.
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You asking me to not give you something I would.
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I would. I would definitely gonna argue that. You know,
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you know, I'm not gonna disagree for sure, and I
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would gladly, humbly accept that. I do definitely feel like
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I put on I put in the word. And if
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we're going back just looking at it statistically or on papers, yeah,
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I think my resume.
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Kind of because I mean, let's look at the paper though,
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let's look at those statistics, because we got. We got
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because you went to two different high schools. So you
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went to Capitol first, did you go to South Charleston?
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You want two championships at Capitol? Am I correct?
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Correct?
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You want two at South Charleston? Am I correct?
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Correct?
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Yeah? Schools four straight championships in high school, which is
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probably unheard of, except you know, maybe way back in
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the day or something. McDonald's All American High School, All American.
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You go to the program at the time, which was
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Pat Summer's Tennessee Volunteers. So I would say, yeah that, lady,
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excuse me, I would definitely say I think you could
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hold that title, and I would argue anybody down with that.
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Yeah. Absolutely appreciate that. I appreciate it.
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Hey, Alexis, this is Lisa, So so thank you for
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coming on to the podcast tonight. So one of the
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things I wanted to add to what Hollis was just saying,
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was one of the experiences that you had, and you
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are one of the you are the only one that
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had had this experience, was in two thousand and eight
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when the Lady Vols the University of Tennessee won the
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national championship, and then the very next year you win
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another championship with the WNBA with Detroit Shock.
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Is that correct, yes, ma'am.
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So how was that experience? I mean, I'm sure you
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were just elated about all that.
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Oh, yeah, it was. And again it was something that
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was real, like two thousand and eight happened. It was
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a lot that happened in two thousand and eight, So
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happened relatively fast, and your.
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Head was spinning. Really, I said, your head was probably spinning.
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Oh, it was definitely spinning, and it was just hard
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to really take it in because at that point in time,
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as far as just missally and where my mental health was, like,
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I was just really programmed for like what's next, what's next? Okay,
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we did that, what's next? You know, just just chasing
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success and winning because I hate los. So it was
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just like it took me well into a couple of
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months of being in this simbul turkey my first year
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overseas playing for Bettie to be like, oh my gosh, like,
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let me let me run that back real quick, like
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it was wild. It was wild.
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When when was when was the first time that you actually,
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let's say on the court, you really let's say, you've
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done something, won the game, did whatever that made you
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think like wow, like you know, like I am I
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really am this person? Because I think there's a difference
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in reflecting on being good, being great, being the best
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and then in a moment that something actually happens to
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make you say, yeah, I guess I really really am
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You know you do you have that moment?
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Oh, I can't really pinpoint it because it didn't really
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happen for me, like in a game, right, it's at
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the park.
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It happened at the park.
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Yeah, like freetball, because you know, once you can compete
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and hold your own, especially as a girl, Like it
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hits different like, oh, I'm scoring at will now, Okay,
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I can lock down, Okay, I can read defense better,
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I can you know, my angles are getting better, like
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just understanding the game, moving at a faster pace, getting stronger,
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being able to make touch shots. Like all of that
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for me was really happening from playing outside with my
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brother and like in the neighborhood and stuff.
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Yeah, And I want to talk on that because you know,
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going from high and I talked about high school where,
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like I said, you were a prolific basketball player here
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in the state of West Virginia. I think you averaged
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probably thirty points, probably darning or triple double maybe throughout
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your whole years of high school. Then I can remember
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watching you at Tennessee and I can see how your
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game had changed, where you had become sort of an
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all around not only contributing on the offensive end, getting rebounds,
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getting to assists, you know, being a lockdown defender. Like
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when you had to the transition in your game, how
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would you sort of express that because I know you
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do a little coaching too, So how would you tell kids, like,
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you know, if you're going from one level to the next,
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your game has to change, But that doesn't mean that
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your production and you still won't get the shine that
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you need.
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Yeah. For me, yeah, I was. My father taught me
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how to like evaluate the situation, know your role, and
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then go dominate.
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Right.
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So in high school I had to be that player, right,
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I had to do it all. I had to sit
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on both ends of the court. In college, yes, I
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had to do it, but I also didn't have to
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do it because I'm playing alongside all other mcdonald' all
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Americans and high school all Americans, Gatorade all Americans. Yeah, so
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I like to win, Like I said, So, if you're
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a true winner, if you're a true competitor, you know
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your skill set and you're confident in what you do,
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and you stay coachable so that you can learn how
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to adapt to any type of structure, any type of system,
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any type of team, because things will change. Your game
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will have to be evolved. It may have to it
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may have to get sped up. You might have to
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get stronger, you might have to study more film because
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your basketball Q isn't at the level it needs to
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be compared to your counterparts. There's just things that if
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you think you got to figure it out and you
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already and you ain't one not a championship or a
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gold medal, or you ain't already drafted or in the
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Hall of Fame, then you were you're doing it wrong.
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That's excellent. I think that's any athlete.
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Yeah, definitely, so absolutely, Oh for sure, Alexis So, I
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know two thousand and eight when you were drafted into
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the w NBA, it was it was early in that
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actual league. And so now we're in the year twenty
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twenty five, what are your thoughts on the growth and
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future of the of the nw w NBA.
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Now, oh, I love the direction. Yeah, the women's game
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as a whole in the past few years. You know,
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the little petty part of me is like dang, but
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I'm like ye. But on top of that, just the game,
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the viewership, the participation, the support. Now you have other
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other pro leagues, semi pro league happening, but the w
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NBA is finally stepping up and doing the little things
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like we shouldn't. I mean, we're charter flights versus commercial flights,
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but you know those are I was shocked. Guys. Let
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me tell y'all something I'll finished. I will finish answer
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this question. Abad So sometimes I got to get this
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out before I forget So. So in two thousand and eight,
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of course, you know, I'm four years spoiled at Tennessee,
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I'm in Detroit. We get in that itinerary to fly
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out the next day, and they talked about we got
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to be at the gymal four hours early because it's
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the hours to the airport and we need to check
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in two hours early first off check in?
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What is that?
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We don't up to the plan. So I'm very happy
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for all the women in the w NBA and all
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the future young ladies that will be a part of it.
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Did they get to feel like a pro you know
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how it should have been and that separation. And I
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hope it continues to grow. I hope, you know, the pay,
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the salary continues to grow up, the opportunity to continue
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to grow because it's great for women's basketball.
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That was one of the things I was going to
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bring up was the actual dollars, dollars and cents when
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it comes to men's sports and women's sports. To me,
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when I look at the w NBA and which I look,
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which I would prefer to watch over the NBA. To
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be honest, it looks they play harder. It's it's it's
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it's just it's just a it's more teamwork. It seems
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like just the whole thing. And I'm not even a
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basketball player, but I would prefer to watch the w
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n B a because of the work that they put in.
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The question like, at what point in time do you
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think that there's going to be a reasoning somebody's gonna
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come in and say, Okay, look we got to up
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this money, like right now.
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Like.
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What I mean, what is what do you think is
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holding it back? Why? Is because I think everybody publicly
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thinks it should be as close as way closer to
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the NBA or as an equal to Like are we
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wrong on that?
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No? Absolutely not wrong on that, especially if you're looking
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at the money that's being thrown around.
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You can't you can't say the money is not out there, right,
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have the money, the people that have the power and
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the positions do it. So until they they stop the
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conversation and make it about action, it's it's going to
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just continue to climb an increments rather than just take off.
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But the good part about it is the conversation is
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so loud now you can't turn it down. Right. We're
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in the error of social media, instant instant information, so
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it's harder for people to sell dreams in a sense
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of oh, yeah, this would be a great idea, and
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we know that people the w NBA needs more money. Okay,
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so why are we not investing in this? Why are
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we're not supporting it? Why are we're not helping the
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raise the bar, the salary, the salary, cast and all
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that good stuff. So until just words become action, I
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don't have a better answer for you, to be honest,
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hollis you.
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Of course, Yeah, just like I said, you know, you
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mentioned that you play soccer a lot of times when
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we talk about on the show, we talk about, you know,
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particularly what Coachly does in his day job as far
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as developing youth athletes. What I always noticed about you
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and I remember you playing soccer, and I also remember
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you know you're just accolades on the basketball court. How
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important was it in your early development just to be
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an athlete. Didn't kind of focusing that in to being
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a great basketball player?
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Man, it was. It's important because how you do anything
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is how you do everything. So it doesn't it doesn't
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matter what I'm playing or what I'm doing is I
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think it's a competition, which almost everything is. To me,
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I want to learn it, teach me. I want to
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learn it. Now, I want to try it, and now
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I want to master it or dominate it. So especially
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in the sport world. And I'm the younger sister. My
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brother and I were fifteen months apart, so I'm trying
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to keep up with him, do what he does, you
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know what I mean? And then growing up in the
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bottom and dunbar and the most it's just like you
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can't be soft. You can't. If I if I want
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to play with the boys, I gotta want to compete
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and beat the boys. So yeah, it just came down to,
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like I want to beat the boys. I don't want
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to be the best girl, Like I want to be
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the best out here, right, So that was soccer. That
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was basketball, and soccer obviously is an advantage when it
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comes to conditioning, agility, right footwork, even court vision because
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in angles, if I can make certain passes on a
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soccer field, what am I going to do in ninety
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four feet? That's easy money, that's nice?
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So so what what?
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So? What?
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What is? What is Lexus hornbook up to nowadays? What's
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going on? Now?
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Oh man? Nowadays? I have a mental performance coaching for
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pro athletes. I've been doing that for about four years now.
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Now what is what is that? Explain that?
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Uh So? Mental performance coaching is exactly what it sounds.
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So you know you have your strength and conditioning coaches,
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your physical therapists, your athletic trainers, right, the people that
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put you through your physical training. So on the mental part,
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it's the mental training aspect of it. We know that
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all sports or success in and of itself is about
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at least eighty percent mental right physical or performance. So
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if I can train my mind, if I can get
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those muscles right, if I can figure out my triggers,
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like why do I have negative self talk? Or if
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I'm dealing with imposters imposter syndrome or intrusive thoughts or
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lack of focus. You know, it's giving people tools. Sometimes
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it's as simple as you know, pause and prey, meditate,
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being intentional about mindfulness, whether that's reading books, taking walk,
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whatever it is that you like to do outside of
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your sport, but also daily routines, vision boards, setting goals.
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And then what type of athlete are you?
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Do you are you more of an outcome goal person
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and you succeed and thrive well in that? Are you
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more of a process goal person? So do you care
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about the finish line like I just need to be
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number one? Right? Or for you to really perform to
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get to number one? Do you need to focus on
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the process goals? So in order for me to be
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number one? What do I have to do right? And
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every athlete is different. There's there's foundations and fundamental tools
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and things that we share with our athletes, but it's
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more about breaking that down and finding that right road
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so that that mental performance elevates their sport performance.
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That's awesome, that's great. And you know what's interesting to
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me as you were as you were going through that list,
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I was sitting here thinking like, gosh, I can remember
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writing on a piece of paper, first team All Conference,
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first team All State North South football game for my
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senior year, and you and and and you do work
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toward that. But I don't know if kids buy into
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that now, Like I don't know if they understand like
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writing something down, saying it every day, looking at it
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every day, that makes you work like cause like you're
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going to put some work in. If those are the
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things that cause you can't just put that on your wall,
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walk and walk away and do nothing, to just sit
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at the kitchen table like chilling. You got to put
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work in. And I and I don't know if if
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today's kids, young athletes understand the importance of saying who
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and what you want to be?
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Would you? Would you? I was gonna say, do you
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agree with that? Because and and and where do you
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get How do we get that to them? Now? Like
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my mom my dad didn't necessarily have to get that,
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something that I think came with me and then they
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magnified it in every area. Make sure you get your school,
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make sure you get up and get your your get
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out there and run and do those kinds of things.
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Is that is that something that's lost now or are
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we just over are we missing it, overlooking it or.
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of the kids being able to have it in them
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or do it on their own. They're having to be taught.
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Even the parents are having to be taught. Really, and
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I think that's necessary. One of the reasons we partner
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with the YMCA here in East Tennessee and we actually
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started implementing programs into local high school so where my
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business partner and I we go in with one of
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the y m c A reps and we talk them,
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talk to them with the coaches in there, and we
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get them a game plan for the mental aspect, the affirmations,
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the list of gratitude, the routine, and we teach them
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how to use it, why to use it journaling, And
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it goes on for about four weeks or so, and
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it's just it's just it's imperative for them to understand.
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Everybody's good as you continue to get to higher levels, right, yeah,
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so what's going to separate you apart? And everybody wants me, well,
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I'll be faster than everybody. I can outjump everybody out
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to know, because somebody's gonna be able to still run
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and jump as fast and its high as you. So
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what's going to set you apart? It's going to be
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your mindset, your mental resilience, your mental toughness. How do
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I bounce back? How do I pivot? How quickly can
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I adapt? And when I am really pissed off or
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I'm playing terrible, like, what do I do in these times?
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learn these skills and tools and start to implement them,
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like intentionally practice them. Then as you continue to elevate
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at collegiate and pro level, you know, it's like it's
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like walking, you know, second nature any who you are.
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So I think, yeah, it's it's much needed. It's missing
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and it's much needed. So yeah, y'all holler at me,
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go to elections, Hormbuckle dot com, reach out any of
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my will figure it out. Because the company I work with,
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we do schools, organizations, teams. Uh, we've expanded just from
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pro league teams to all of what I just mentioned.
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Yeah, give them the give them the website one more time.
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Alectionis Hornbuckle dot com.
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Yeah, man, don't reach out, man, Hey, right, and if
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you want, if you want, if you go to let's
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talk with Carley on On on my Facebook page, send
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me some of that information and hey, I'll shoot it
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out there.
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Absolutely I appreciate that.
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Yeah, yeah, because I mean because because, for a fact,
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that is the most critical piece crib of anybody's hope
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for success, not even to get to success, but I
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hope to even have. And I would say, in addition
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to athletics, just even in your professional career, because you
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can have all of the things you talked about, the
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negative self talk, to imposter syndrome, you can have that,
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you know, as you elevating climb quote unquote corporate latter.
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So everything you said is vital and and and definitely important.
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And I'll say this before we close out. We got
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the Carl Lee Award for the best defensive back in
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high school West Virginia. We need to do. We got
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a Lexus hornbook.
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And.
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I think we gotta start. I gotta talk. I gotta
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talk to boss Man. You know what I'm saying. That's
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her cousin is Sewn Hornbuckle, delicate. I call him boss Man.
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So I gotta talk to boss Man. We gotta pick
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that together. We gotta do that.
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But see this, this is my problem.
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This is my problem with what we don't do for
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athletes that come out of here like that. That's that's
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an easy see. I got this man on his so
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I'm here now. That's that's my that is that is
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my complete fight. Is just because for every kid, they're
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gonna look at somebody that may be you, that be me,
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that may be Hollans, that may be Lisa, that may
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be anybody we got. You gotta celebrate that achievement and
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and you got to put it out there to people
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to see because we gotta we gotta do that. I mean,
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we got to do that, and we just haven't done it.
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We get mad at people, you know, we get mad
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at Kurt Warner because he don't come back. But he
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still was the number one draft pick in the league.
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You still got he he was the best back in
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the nation out of high school from Ponville, West Virginia.
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You gotta put that out there. So that's that's just
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I haven't I'm touchy about that kind of stuff because
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I just know I don't think we do a good
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job of allowing our young athletes to understand who came
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before them and who you can be? See see if
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Prime was, But you know Prime already got his son,
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Jersey retire. We're dragging our feet, we're dragging off. Hey, Well,
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we truly, truly, truly appreciate you being on and I'm
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sure that there's a chance we may try to call
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you back sometime soon.
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Thank you, all right, thank you.
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I appreciate it. All right.
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Now I'm gonna I'm gonna just I gotta throw this
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out there. I just got to throw this out there. Okay,
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is there any possible way that there should not be
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something with her name on it? Oh?
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Is there not?
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I would think an award for what I don't think
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it is, because I mean, if you look at her
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and Montgomery, it's gotta be it should be something.
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Right, I'm not sure the boys basketball do they have
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like named after a players?
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But I don't know if they have like a I
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don't even know if they got like a Dre West Award,
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which is insane because we got Jerry West, you got
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hot Rod Huntley because you got to West Virginia. Charleston,
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how Towns is the only the only school with two
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number one draft picks. So I forget the gentleman in
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the fit.
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I'm looked it up, Jason Williams. That's another one awards.
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Yeah, so I mean, but when you say Lexis Hornbocal,
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I'm talking about she's the great. She's she's arguably the
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greatest high school basketball player to ever come out of
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this state. And it's and to your point, she won
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a championship in college the same she wanted w NBA
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championship in one single year. And yeah, she plays at
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the school for two years now, state championship, goes to
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another school and a state champion for two more and
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and go to college national and go to college and
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w n B A.
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W n She's got a little bit of hardware.
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There's a common denominator in those championship. Yeah, of course,
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So we definitely want to look into that see if
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there's anything and if it's not, we got to start
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petitioning that.
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Well.
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One of the things I think, I don't know if
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it'll happen, if we could find a way to get
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people to come on the show who are part of
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the recognition piece of it. Not I'm not gonna say
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people who actually do it because they're not gonna come
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because they're not going to try to justify why they don't.
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But I mean, how, you know, how do we find
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a method of Well, you you got the Inside School,
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you got award.
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You're the guy with the show award.
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Okay, but here's to the car Le Award. I so
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appreciate it. I so appreciate it. I ain't not nothing
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about it. And that's crazy. I didn't know anything about it.
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Like nobody called me, nobody said hey, we're going to
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do this. I did not know anything about it.
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That I didn't realize that.
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Yeah, And that's what I mean, Like if you're going to, like,
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for example, if you give out those works, because I
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know they do, like the Athletic State, then after Jennerby
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in the Winner after the football season, it's like, why
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wouldn't you invite you to exactly to actually present for award?
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Like I don't want to understand like how we do things.
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And if and let me just say this, if by
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some chance I missed a call or whatever and somebody
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attempted to try to get to me, I may have
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missed you, okay, but like I didn't know, like I
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literally did not know that I was even that that
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was even gonna be a thing that's wild, you know,
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all right, So let's take a break and we will
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be right back.
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their conversation.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back guys, guy and lady.
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That was That was. That was one of the interviews
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that I will not forget for the simple fact of
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so many positive things that she said about work ethic,
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her own work ethic and all those kinds of things,
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the things that she had to do, and where they
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put her, and when you put wherever she went, championships
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went with her. You know, she didn't go yeah, yeah,
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she didn't. She didn't. She didn't go anywhere where there
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was a championship. She went and made a championship. And
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I think when you when you start looking at that
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type of talent, you look at that type I can't
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even imagine the mindset that she would have on the floor.
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She ain't losing, you know what I'm saying.
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She said that she's very competitive. You can hear it,
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and you can you can hear it.
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You can hear it in her voice. All right, So.
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Speaking of competitive, speaking.
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Of competitive, So this is a this is a topic
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that I'm not necessarily I'm not sure how this is
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going to go between me and Hollis Aaron Rodgers.
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Mm hmm. Okay, he said, should we play the clip?
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Well, yeah, let's let's let Yeah, you got the clip
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for us, all right, Yeah, let's play this.
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Every single one of the teams I talk to, you know,
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laining about the money. I'll play for ten ms. You know,
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I don't care. I never once said I need a
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multi year deal. Thirty forty million dollars is absolute bull.
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I said, I play for ten Yeah whatever.
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I'm just going to start this conversation right now before
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we talk about the amount of money, the dollars and
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cents of it. I mean, this is not a good
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look for Aaron Rodgers. This whole sympathetic figure.
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Woe is me.
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I'll play for you know, ten million, and and just
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the whole victim outlook that he's trying to that vibe
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that is that is not him, And to me, he's
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losing credibility.
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I don't know about you guys, but.
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I don't I think in his mind. I think this
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is a pity party. Now. Yeah, we're four like, yeah,
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I'm gonna play. Yeah, I can play. I can still
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play the question ten ten you know, you throw ten
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mil out and and in today's game, that ain't that's
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not a quarterback, not quarterback, but what if he Let's
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assume the reason why he hasn't gotten a contract, okay,
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is because nobody thinks that he's really prepared. He's not.
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I don't won't stay prepared. He he just doesn't have
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it anymore. So if I give you ten the one
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thing I'm guaranted, I guarantee you this, it's gonna be
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guaranteed ten. Yeah, you know, so now you want you
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want to guarantee me ten? I want you to guarantee
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me ten million dollars and and I'm not sure. I
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don't even know if I can play. And just to
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put a clip just a little context, basically what happened
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was he was in California, flew across the country, he
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met with the and the new Jets coach, Aaron Glenn
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basically just told him, hey, we're going in a different direction.
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He was a little perturbed because he said, you could
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have told me that over the phone. But I guess
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the question I would have, like, if you're the stealers,
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and I think that's who's the stealers are the Vikings,
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that's who's talking about possibly him joining the squad, Like
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why I just don't understand you. Again, I've talked about
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it before. This is a different game as far as
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the type of quarterbacks that we see winning and getting
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deep playoff runs. We're looking at more athletic apematics, movement, movement,
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who could move and actually run the ball. And then
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you're and again, you're not a Tom Brady where you're
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not like this revered team guy, this fearless leader who's
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doing everything possible. He's eating all the little bird stuff
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and doing all the new innovative exercise. You're not that guy.
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You're not Tom Brady. So if I'm an organization, why
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even at ten million, which is a bargain quote unquote
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forour quote the back of maybe his caliber, Why go
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that way? Why not just either get somebody I can develop,
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or just get somebody in the draft or draft somebody who's,
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you know, in their twenties. I just don't understand why
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you would even bring him in at this point. He clearly,
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to your point, he's kind of wishy washy about whether
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he wants to play or not. And he's clearly not
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the same player he was when he was with Green Bay.
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Does anybody think does anybody think he can sit on
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the sideline no and just be there. No. And that's
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what you're not bringing him in for that Now, he's
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not the mentor type, right. If he's not the he
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could be he could be helpful, No, but I don't
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believe it. But mentally he can't be. But I'm just saying.
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Ego gets in the way.
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That too much to ask of him. And the latest
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thing that I saw just a few hours ago, which
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came out on social media, I think it might have
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been Twitter that the reason he has not committed to
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a team yet is because he's waiting on the draft
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to see, you know, to make a decision on where
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he goes. Because he wants to make sure whatever team
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he attaches his name to, he is the starter. He
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does not want to be behind another name. So that's
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the reason that he's holding out on a commitment.
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He's not close.
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He won't come out and say, you know, I'm going
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to go play here or there, or you know, I'm
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committed to fill in the blank whatever team it is.
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You know, it's still he thinks it's mister Rogers neighborhood
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and we're all here to serve him. And I loved
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him when he was in Green Bay. You know, I'm
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I'm a big Packer fan. We all know that giggles
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from Carl over there, mister Vikings, But I'm a Packer fan,
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and I you know, at that time when they went
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to that Super Bowl one, that was the style of
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play that a quarterback could be successful. But like you said,
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the game has left him, it's changed, and he's gotten older.
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But in his mind he can't wrap or grasp the
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fact that all of those things are playing a factor
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into whether or not he can continue his career. He
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just can't accept the time to go.
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Yeah, and I think most great athletes probably have a
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hard time with boxes and all that. I'm just saying.
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My comment is just like for a coaches that have
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or the organization, why in the world would you bring
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him in? There's to me, it's almost zero upside. It's
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no upside to bring him in. In my mind, I'm
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not a great leader, and I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm
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gonna agree. I'm gonna agree with you on that, Holisy,
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simply because to your point, when you look at him
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and you and you and you listen to him, what
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you hear, he's not saying he's coming in as a backup,
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and I think the Vikings had said something about like
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maybe having him in and then having him you know,
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so that you've got experience coming off the bench in
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case somebody gets hurt or whatever. That ain't what he
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wants and and and and to me, it's clear he's
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looking for a starting job and that and and he
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he he's not mobile enough. There's just no way he's
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going to be mobile enough. I just don't think he.
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I think there's a place in time where you have
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to say that your game is done. I did it.
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A whole host of people did it, and there's a
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whole host of people on the other side who just
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can't let the game go.
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And do you really think he would risk going out
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there playing for just ten million? I know, I know
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that's not a lot.
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You know, that's I think he definitely would, Like you
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just said this, ego, I mean, I think his his
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to prove everybody. He wants to win another Super Bowl.
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He wants to at least get there. And I think
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it it's just I have to get there. But I
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think even to that point, even everything can leave you physically.
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But if you're a quarterback and you're just not like
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an absolute great leader that that other men want to follow.
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Even if you lack some physical abilities, even if they
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could pitt some running backs around you, you could they
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could probably make up. He still has a good ball,
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he could still slang it, so he's probably they could
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probably you know, fill some holes and for everything that
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he lacks. But I just think on top of what
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you like physically and did you proven over these years,
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But you're just not a great leader, not somebody that
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other men want to follow. I just to me, is
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over not I would just I would go young if
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I was an organization.
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Yeah, I don't.
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He's not a backup. He's not going to be a backup.
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He's not going to go anywhere. I don't think. No,
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he's going to That's.
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Why he's waiting for the draft. I mean he will not.
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He won't even.
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Attach to the Steelers who pursued him probably the probably
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the most or the hardest, as you know, compared to
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other NFL teams, And he won't even he won't even
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like he he did fly to Pittsburgh and talk to management.
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From what I understand it was, it was kind of
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a funny story. It was part of the interview with
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Pat McAfee because I happened to be in the kitchen
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and I heard his voice and I was like, oh boy,
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what's he doing? So I kind of listened to the interview.
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But he flew into Pittsburgh. He flew into an outside airport,
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rented it and Paula and drove over to meet with
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the Steelers management. But he wouldn't make a commitment. So
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to me, they must have said something along the lines of,
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you know, we're gonna wait and see what we do
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in the draft, what's available, and that's why he wouldn't commit,
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because he will not sit on the sidelines.
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He's already made that clear.
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00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.280
But see that that lack of commitment to them, then
724
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.440
might be that's it? Well, sure, I mean it should
725
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:26.239
be in I would think I would think when I
726
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.320
look at him, I would let me rephrase that, when
727
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.679
I think about all he's been through the years that
728
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.480
he's played, and I'm trying to figure out what can
729
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.599
he bring to me now, he could help me by
730
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.760
being around young quarterbacks, yes, explaining to them all of
731
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.280
these kind of things, but there is none of that
732
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:48.880
in him.
733
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.480
No, I think he doesn't play second one.
734
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:56.480
No, I think his whole existence is playing his whole
735
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:02.039
existence is I am great? It is, it is, and
736
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.000
it is difficult. It is challenging to consider yourself playing
737
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.880
at an elite level and then all of a sudden
738
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:17.199
finding yourself like realizing physically, physically, mentally, emotionally, all of
739
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.119
those things that you just don't have it, like you
740
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:25.000
just can't find it, like you just I wish I
741
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.960
had it, I wish I still had it, but I don't.
742
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.239
And there are those people which I think he is
743
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.920
that guy who is overlooking all of those messages that
744
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.519
that are pointing out to him, that are that are
745
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:40.400
saying to you.
746
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.719
It's really sad, it really is.
747
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.480
I think it's even I think it's worse that he
748
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.760
even said because in that clip, it's it's it's a
749
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.079
lengthy kind of a clip, that statement that he's making
750
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:02.119
to me. I think that that just makes you look
751
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:02.760
bad man.
752
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.079
It's just a problem, yeah.
753
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.679
Because you don't really like you're not looking at it,
754
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.719
like you're not you don't really know, like you don't
755
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.039
really know where you are at this point.
756
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.679
It's like he's going to these teams saying, not what
757
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.159
can what can I do for you?
758
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.320
It's more like what can you do for me?
759
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:23.320
You know, And that's not the right team oriented attitude
760
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.400
that works well in an NFL setting?
761
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:27.760
Is there is there is there the things that make
762
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.840
you great also communit things make you bad, Right, that's true.
763
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.840
Any one of you think that, is there any quarterback
764
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.760
in the league that's that that's a starter that he
765
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.440
could play before But I think it's a lot if
766
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:47.880
you're just talking about just pure maybe if it's you know,
767
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.320
just a seventeen game run, but I just think it's
768
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.360
bigger than that. I just don't think you to me,
769
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:57.960
he could probably come in there and do some things,
770
00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.719
but I think it would just cost you too much
771
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.119
any in so I think he could probably go over
772
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.480
there maybe because I mean, if you look at his
773
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.599
last year status, he threw for three thousand yards I
774
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.199
think twenty thirty touchdowns. It was a decent season for
775
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.400
Aaron Rodgers. But I just don't think long term is
776
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.239
just to me, it's.
777
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.559
Just the it's the investment, the investment, the.
778
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.360
Cost analysis of what he the damage that he could
779
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.280
do to a locker room for me is just too much.
780
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.800
But I mean talking about the draft, we talked about
781
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.480
Travis Hunter. Now, there's been talks that Travis Hunter is
782
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.360
going to be. Some people say he's gonna be primarily
783
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.679
a dB and then to play a little bit of receiver.
784
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.880
Some people say he's gonna be primarily a wide receiver,
785
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.679
play a little dB. So what are your thoughts? What
786
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.000
do you think he should come in as and sort
787
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.880
of supplement as I'm gonna say, I would think he
788
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.440
would want to come in as a receiver. I'm gonna
789
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:04.920
I'm going to put him at receiver, utilize his speed, ulize,
790
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:11.199
utilize his quickness, his ability to catch the ball, because
791
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.599
I think if you if you bring him, if you
792
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.880
bring him in as a dB, the question now is, okay,
793
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.159
is that is that going to be a corner? Okay,
794
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.519
so now he'll be a corner? Yeah, okay. Well, you
795
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.599
know sometimes they switch it to say but he ain't
796
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.719
got nothing. I think the problem, I think the problem
797
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:33.400
that he has at at corner maybe would be one
798
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.920
is he still gotta you know, there's still the Dion
799
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.159
whole kind of thing, Like you know, everybody's still gonna
800
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.599
say he he Dion had he touched them, right, So
801
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.119
he's got to be that good. I don't think he's
802
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:48.199
gonna be that good.
803
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:48.679
Now.
804
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.440
I'm not gonna say he's not. I'm not gonna say
805
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.800
be outside of shadow now trophy. Okay, Okay, but again,
806
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:58.840
I don't know if he I don't know if he
807
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:03.599
gets that, if he's not under Dion. I just I'm
808
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.039
just I don't think a coach would probably allow him
809
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.239
to do what Dion allowed him to do. But I
810
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.599
think if any coach allowed him to do that, I
811
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.480
think he's that. Let me clarify too, I think he
812
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.760
deserved it. I think he deserved it. I really do,
813
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.440
for the fact he played, he could play and legitimately
814
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.159
played both ways.
815
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.039
So so, oh no, I was just going to say that.
816
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.639
You know, it's kind of been the center of debate
817
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.880
for this draft, right because he really, he really wants
818
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.800
to go to a team that will allow him to
819
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.159
play on both sides of the ball.
820
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.199
I mean, that's that's that's what my understanding is.
821
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:42.880
I mean, he had an interview with a with a
822
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.559
sports reporter from CBS CBS Sports, and uh, you know,
823
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:48.239
he pretty much put it out there that he wants
824
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.480
to go to a team that will allow him to
825
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:51.480
explore both of them.
826
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:52.960
So what do you think. What do you think the
827
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.400
primary position would be?
828
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.800
Well, for me, I mean I think for him coming
829
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.519
in as a rookie, I think he should start at
830
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.400
defense and then slowly let him, you know, kind of
831
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.440
be integrated into an offensive skin.
832
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.800
That's the way we've always seen it. We've seen it
833
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.880
defense to offense. We've never seen it offense to dec
834
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.639
That's what I'm saying. I understand. But here's the thing
835
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:25.119
I'm thinking, if if if I need a receiver, okay,
836
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.480
I can, I can get him. I can get him,
837
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.800
and if by some chance he's not good enough, there's
838
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.199
another place. So you're saying receiver would be the easiest transition.
839
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.280
I think so. So you said that'd be an easier
840
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.159
transition to bed. Where are you gonna play? Okay, So
841
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.800
everybody's got a different kind of scheme, right everybody. Everybody's
842
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.440
gonna be out in the islands a corner. Yeah, he's
843
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.360
a corner. The question is is he is he a man?
844
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.000
Some teams play more man than man than others. Can
845
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:59.280
he play man and man? We don't necessarily Just because
846
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.880
you cover guys in colleges don't necessarily mean you can
847
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.280
cover him in the pros. Again, the piece that we're
848
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:11.199
not thinking about is pro is not college. So everybody's look,
849
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.800
if you look at his statue, look at his plane,
850
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:19.159
forget it, forget all that. It's a whole new window.
851
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:19.280
All right.
852
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.480
So let me ask a different question. So usage rate.
853
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.199
So let's let's take that usage rate. Like in college,
854
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.559
he was playing one hundred plus players a game. Now,
855
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.719
obviously you ain't gonna be doing that in an NFL.
856
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.280
But from a usage rate, do you think that he
857
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.760
would actually be able to be more durable playing defense
858
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:45.679
and then supplementing you know, one two for receivers, because
859
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.320
I'm saying, if you're playing offense, I mean again, deep defense,
860
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.639
but y'all do a ton of running. But you know,
861
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.719
it's a different level of running straight ahead, you know
862
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.800
what I'm saying, Because like you said, if you're playing
863
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.360
a zone, it's it's different, right, So if you're doing
864
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.280
all that running as a receiver, then on the next
865
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.280
series you're gonna come in here and play dB. I
866
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:08.280
don't know. See here's here's and I understand exactly what
867
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.559
you're saying, and and and I'll even concede a little
868
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.440
bit to it. But what I will say is here's
869
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:21.199
the problem with it. To me, if he's a receiver, okay,
870
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.639
he's he he's got the ability to catch the ball, run,
871
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.400
all that kind of stuff. When he starts playing dB,
872
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:33.599
now that the physicality of that side of it is
873
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.800
now on him because you gotta tackle run. You gotta
874
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.039
come in and you gotta tackle running backs, you gotta
875
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.199
tackle some big receivers, you gotta hit a tight end,
876
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:45.519
you gotta you gotta take on alignment, that kind of
877
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.320
that punk, that type of punishment. So you're saying, like
878
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.000
doing that full time and then Seth will be harder,
879
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:58.079
to be harder. Okay. So another question, So if you say, okay,
880
00:47:58.159 --> 00:47:59.920
he's gonna come in as a receiver, that's gonna be
881
00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:02.880
the primary position, at what point do you pit him
882
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.000
as a dB and ready to throw the ball. If
883
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.280
he's such a great cover, maybe I put him on
884
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.119
the best the best receiver. I put him on the
885
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.559
slot guy. You know. So you know, so to me,
886
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.400
I see it that way. I see him more in
887
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.639
that situation, you know, because I'm gonna make the case
888
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.440
he's gonna be he's gonna be as talented because when
889
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:33.440
you play Dome, which is four D four corners. He's
890
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.679
gonna be as good as one of the He's gonna
891
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.559
be one of those fours. I'll give you that, Okay,
892
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.079
So when you play Nickel, you got three, he's probably
893
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.320
gonna he very well could be in those three. So now,
894
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.880
but he might be one of your top receivers. M
895
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:52.760
I mean, he definitely probably gonna be in the top
896
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.719
five because received receivers. You're gonna play five or six
897
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.679
receivers game, yes, and.
898
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.159
It's gonna be a real challenge whatever franchise picks him up.
899
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:01.639
I mean, you think about it. I mean, he's gonna
900
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.360
go in the first round, and he's gonna go for
901
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.360
a significant amount of money. So whatever team picks him up,
902
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.280
they're gonna have to find a way to protect their
903
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.719
assets and protect their player. So you know, you're gonna
904
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:12.360
you're gonna.
905
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.599
And they probably got a plan, yes, And I would
906
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.239
think they will be going to Cleveland. So I don't
907
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.239
know if they got to you said that, I don't know.
908
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.840
That's what I don't know. And see and and and
909
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.880
again to that point. This is like the this is
910
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.480
like the number one quarterback going to to the worst team, right,
911
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.360
you know, yeah, and and and now you're putting yourself
912
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.320
in a situation. So now the question goes. I go
913
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.960
back to your answer and say, I don't want to
914
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.719
be a receiver because do you have a quarterback for me?
915
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.920
Let me be a DV. And that's what I guess.
916
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.519
That's my point. Yeah, because you when you look at
917
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.880
usage rate, and the thing is, if you have a
918
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.800
bad offense, then to your point, you're going to be
919
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.079
getting beat up because you got a company receiver, got
920
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.239
to tackle, you got to take on block, you got
921
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.199
to do a lot as a dB. Then I got
922
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.519
to come in there and I'm running empty routes because
923
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.679
maybe I got a bad office line on my quarterbacks
924
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.719
not seeing me, and my usage rate is going to
925
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.800
be high, but maybe my production is not going to
926
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.800
be able to mag depending on where I'm going. So
927
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.039
I think, to me, I would almost circle it back.
928
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.199
You want to do what you do, and I understand that,
929
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.440
but maybe it also depends on where you land at.
930
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:27.679
That's a good point.
931
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.400
Person that are surrounding you, what kind of players, But
932
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.480
I mean, don't you guys agree to that. It's the NFL,
933
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.119
It's not college. Okay, he did phenomenal at Colorado playing
934
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.000
both sides of the ball. But when you get to
935
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.119
that level at the NFL, you've got to kind of
936
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:48.199
hone in on what your your specific position is and
937
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.400
just focus on that and so you can be the
938
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.840
best player that you can be at that position. I mean,
939
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:54.480
especially if you want to you know, if you have
940
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.239
Hall of Fame, you know, dreams and aspirations, you got
941
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.639
to be good at one thing and really really be
942
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:04.159
good at it makes sense.
943
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.480
Here's a question, is I think maybe Dion might have
944
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.760
played some snap about to go there? Yeah, he might
945
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.199
have played a couple of snaps at receiver, but where
946
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.280
do we know him as we know him as a
947
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.880
DV kick returner. But but I mean, if you get
948
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.760
to your point earlier when you got the deon, because
949
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.840
I don't know if it's a Dion shadow has opposed
950
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.559
as much as is a Dion influence because Dion he
951
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.679
played he played dB, he played receiver, also played baseball.
952
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.719
So I'm thinking in Travis Hunter's mind, he thinking, well, heck,
953
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.920
if Dion played baseball and football, I can at least
954
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.960
play two positions on just playing football, and and so
955
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.480
he might be thinking like that too, and and and
956
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.079
it's justifiable because he's right there. He's right there with him.
957
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:55.800
But I'm gonna make like I said, man, Jerry Rice,
958
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:06.159
great receiver, he just played receiver. Yeah, Andre Risen, Andre Reid,
959
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:13.760
Sterling Sharp, all those dudes. Every good receiver I know
960
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:18.039
played receiver. And I bet you they played dB at
961
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:19.800
some point, yeah, but not a.
962
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Yeah, but not at the NFL level. Right, What I'm just.
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Saying maybe in high school, you know, they played both ways,
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but they became one thing. If this is new, this
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would be the new. This would be the newest thing
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to add to professional football, a two way guy. And
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I think Dion would love that to happen. To his book.
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I just don't know how you, like I said, I
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mean to your point, I mean, even if you look
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at modern receivers, you look at the Randy Moss and
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Calvin Johnson's and different things of that nature, I just
972
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don't know how you play receiver. And like, if you're
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like if you're a starting receiver or if you're you're
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in the top basically, if you're in the top five,
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which basically it means you're a starting receiver pretty much, right,
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if you're in the top five rotation, maybe the fifth guy.
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That means you can to come in probably almost every
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series at some point. I don't know how you do that.
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And then you play dB. We've never seen that before.
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00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.760
If he can pull that off, I mean, and then again,
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how long can you pull it?
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Because that's another good point to that very point.
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They're gonna test this. Yeah, they're going to Yeah, they're
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gonna test this. They're gonna want to see what he
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00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.039
can actually do. If it's I just don't think it's
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gonna be sustainable.
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And the cerebral part of it, you know, you're you're
988
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you're learning so many more complex plays and routes that
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that you did compared to college. I mean, that's a
990
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:50.079
lot to have to learn and you know, perform on
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the field.
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00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.559
So that's another part of it.
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Physical and we've seen this before, Like you seen like
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the Cordell Steward's right, but he played multiple positions on offense.
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I've seen of Dick Verbel, Frank Verbel, he's a coach now,
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00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:08.719
we've seen him. He was a linebacker and he would
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come in on the goal line packages. You see Taysom
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00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.639
Hill in New Orleans. But again, you just the way
999
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:18.599
he's talking about doing it is unpressed for modern football least.
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I'm not mad. I'm not mad if he if he
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if he's successful at it, you know, I you know,
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I don't want to. I don't want to hate on him.
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I would rather but I would rather him because again,
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when you start looking at all of the the situations
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00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:39.840
that come with with football, all the contact that comes
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00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.800
with football. Now it's not as bad as it used
1007
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.280
to be, but it's still gonna be out there. But now,
1008
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.440
if you're playing on both sides of the ball enough
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00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.960
to where you're getting the ball, you're getting hit, you're
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00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.000
over on the other side tackling getting hit or hitting
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00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.880
somebody that ain't that is not a safety issue, you know.
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00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.760
I mean, now, what you're doing is you're like just
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00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:08.199
you're just asking for some kind of damage. Yeah, you know,
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00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.719
it's just too many people. Yeah, there's just too many
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00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:15.159
plays there, you know. And I just don't, you know,
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I hope he doesn't. I don't hope he can't. I
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hope he just doesn't do it. And I just don't
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think there's a reason. There's not a reason to do
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it other than just to say you did it or
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you were the first to do it and all that,
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00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.199
and the credit falls all over the place. But by
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the time he plays six, seven, eight years, then what Yeah,
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that's gonna be the question. All right, Well, ladies and gentlemen,
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hope you enjoyed the show. We're gonna get out of
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here and we'll be back again next week.
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If you fall, doesn't don't for get back up for
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your feet anything will be a win, yup, even the
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feet that say shit's a bath for you. Wise vinitary
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Sweet couldn't play with big kids.
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I had to sit in the street and watch from
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a distance. But over time I grew.
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If I put in the work in no time I'm
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doing everything that.
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I worked and prayed. I'm okay.
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If you ask me how did I do it, I'm
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gonna say.
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You gotta work, cry shine, just mine.
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Gotta show everybody is my time here. You gotta work,
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cry shine. Never mind who talk of dime this day line,
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don't talk. You gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work.
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You gotta work. You gotta a work, You gotta work.