$25,000 High Roller (WSOP Hand Breakdown) (Video)

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Mike: This $25,000 buy-in tournament at
the World Series of Poker just wrapped
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up. Let's take a look at a couple
of key hands from the event.
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I'm Mike Brady and I've got Tournament
Pro and streamer Aaron Barone here with
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me to review this hand. You ready to go?
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Aaron: I'm ready.
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Mike: All right, so we are in the
money at this stage of the tournament.
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It's around 45 players left in this 25K
buy-in and every player has locked up
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around $50,000.
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The winner's going to get a little
over $1.6 million but there's a lot
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of play between now and the final table.
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So that first place prize not
really in sight quite yet.
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First decision point here we have
Reard with Queen Jack Offsuit in the
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middle position, low jack some
would say pretty clear raise here.
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Would you say Aaron?
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Aaron: Yeah, I think
raising here is fine.
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I do think that against tougher and
more aggressive lineups you could opt to
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fold Queen Jack offsuit here.
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I mean I think that if we're
talking about it being close,
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I don't think Queen ten is great.
Queen nine is definitely not,
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Jack ten is close so I
think Queen Jack offsuit,
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Jack ten offsuit are close but it's fine.
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Mike: Yeah, to your point, I ran this
spot using Hold'em Resources calculator,
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plugged in all of the
payouts for this event.
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All the stack sizes and this is
right around the bottom of his range.
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Jack ten and Queen ten offsuit do get
in there for very slightly profitable
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raise as well.
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He is on a short stack here but he's
still got a good amount of play.
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He is got 30 bigs not in the danger
zone by any means. In any case,
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he does raise it up and he is
going to get action from one player
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and that player is not
Dario Sammartino here in
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the button. He's going to fold. By the
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Chance Kornuth with Ace nine
offsuit in the small blind.
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It looks like he's considering
something. He does let it go.
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What do you think of that decision Aaron?
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Aaron: I think if you're going to have
three bet bluff combos using Ace nine
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offsuit is not bad in terms of having a
blocker to some of the strong hands that
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would four bet jam.
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If you're getting flatted more often I
think using ace nine offsuit is actually
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a pretty terrible hand
to use because again,
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it's good for blocker type situations
but in terms of post flop playability,
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ace nine offsuit is not great. I'd
much rather have Ace three suited,
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Ace four suited or any
other suited connected hands
that can navigate post flop
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a little better.
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Mike: Kornuth does think it over but
he eventually folds then it's Shaun Deeb
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in the big blind.
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He's rocking a 40 big blind stack
covering Reard by about 250,000 chips.
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He makes a standard defend with
the six three suited and we get the
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ten nine three, two club flop one spade,
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so Deeb does have a backdoor
flush draw with his bottom pair.
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Reard flops pretty well as
well. He's got two overs,
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an open ender and a backdoor flush draw,
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Deeb makes the standard procedural check
to the aggressor on this board and now
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Reard has a decision to make.
What are you thinking in his spot?
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Aaron: Looking at his exact
two cards in this board,
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there are a lot of run outs here
where I'm just firing three barrels.
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I know I want to play it street by street
but I'm looking at the fact that on
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most run outs I'm going to either
end up with a hand that's top pair,
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a straight or could block a
flush even if the board runs
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out with a brick on the
turn Ace on the river,
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it's a good spot given I have Queen
High so I definitely want to bet now,
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but I'm already thinking about what
turns and rivers am I going to continue
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betting.
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Mike: What size do you like in his
shoes here There's 135,000 in the pot.
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He's got 690 behind. How are you
approaching your bet sizing in position?
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Aaron: I think overall my bet size
here is going to be pretty small.
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If we were really shallow,
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I might want to turn this into a two
street hand where I pick a slightly bigger
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sizing on the flop to set up a turn jam
but he starts the hand with about 30
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bigs more than enough
playability for three streets.
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I don't think I want to go too big
here so I think around one third is
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totally fine.
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Mike: Yeah,
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and it's kind of funny that you said if
you were shallower you might actually
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bet a little bit bigger so you
can play that two street game.
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Bet the flop shove the turn for a
round pot or maybe even under pot,
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but it's funny, if you were deeper,
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you'd also probably bet
bigger on this board, right?
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If you were playing a hundred blinds
deep, this is a perfect big bet board.
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It's very dynamic but it is still
overall good for you as the player who
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raised rather than the player
who called in the big blind.
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You're going to have more pocket tens,
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pocket nines probably you're going
to have more good straight draws,
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you're going to have more high card hands
and over pairs that overall just beat
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the big blinds range.
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Plus it's a dynamic board where
generally speaking you bet big on dynamic
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boards. That's not always
true but it often is in poker.
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So if we were deep
here, if we were 60, 70,
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a hundred blinds deep Reard
would probably go quite big.
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And then Aaron is saying that if we're
shorter he'd also probably go a little
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bit bigger to set up that two street game.
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Aaron: And that's why tournament poker
can be so confusing at times where as
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you said with a short
stack or a big stack,
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you could take one action and then
somehow when you're in the middle of those
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two you take a completely
different action.
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Mike: Right,
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and just in general sizes do tend
to skew smaller as you get shorter,
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but there is that exception when you
decide to play that two street game,
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which can definitely be a good weapon
to have in your arsenal. In any case,
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Reard does go for what looks to be a
small bet. Yeah, 45,000 into 135,000,
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so about one third pot,
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which I'd assume is about the small
size you should be looking for on this
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board. Deeb with bottom pair.
He's not going to go anywhere.
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He's getting a great price,
looking great by the way.
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Well done on that weight loss bet Deeb.
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I don't know if you won or
whatever but you look great.
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Turn ace of spades does
give Deeb that flush draw
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now and it's a card that's going to hit
Reard sometimes he may not continuation
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bet with Ace High every time hard to say,
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but he will occasionally have
an Ace five, an Ace Queen,
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an Ace jack here for sure.
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So this card is overall going to be better
for Reard but Deeb can have some Aces
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of his own here. He would probably
call the flop with some ace highs.
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What's your overall thoughts on this
turn once it checks over to Reard?
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Aaron: I definitely think
Reard should keep betting.
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I think it is a card that overall is
good for his range better for his than
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Deeb's actually. With
his exact hand right now.
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I had said before on the flop that there
were a lot of run outs I was going to
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be happy to barrel and now I might,
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I mean every spade you're
going to block a flush.
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Every club you're going to block a
flush. If the river is a complete brick,
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you're going to end up with Queen High,
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which given how Reard's
range looks pre flop,
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that might be the exact
bottom of his range.
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We don't know if he's opening
seven six suited here,
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it's close I think actually has similar
equity to Queen Jack from lojack or
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middle position,
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so I think he's got a pretty good spot
to be betting and apply pressure to
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Deeb's range which overall should be
capped and that's really when you want to
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attack.
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Mike: Yeah, Deeb is going to have
a lot of nine x, a lot of three x,
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I mean in this case Deeb turned the
flush draw but if Deeb had six three of
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hearts he probably would've played it
the same up until this point and now his
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pair of threes would be pretty dusty.
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He's clearly going to fold
to any bet on the turn.
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Same with his nine x quite likely and
then his ten x is kind of in the middle,
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kind of a tough spot.
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I'm sure Deeb will continue with
some ten x against a bet on the turn.
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Aaron peppered in a really good point
there about bluffing in general if you're
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an experienced sort of solver studier,
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you're going to be familiar with
this but it's a really cool concept,
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in this spot Reard has two very
relevant suits. The board is all black,
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two spades, two clubs and
Reard has one spade, one club.
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So not only does he block
the current flush draws,
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which is quite good,
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it's always decent to block flush draws
because it prevents your opponent from
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having hands that can continue. For
example by having the jack of clubs,
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he blocks Deeb from having a hand like
Jack ten of clubs which will certainly
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call the turn. So it's
a good card to have.
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Same goes for the queen of spades but
then it also has really nice effects on
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the river.
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If the river is the seven of spades or
the six of clubs or something like that.
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Now he blocks those rivered
flushes potentially.
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So river club he still blocks that jack
ten of clubs which prevents Deeb from
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having as many flushes in his range.
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So this hand is going to be really
good for barreling on the turn and
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particularly good for bluffing again on
the river when one of the draws comes
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in. In any case, let's see what
Reard decides to go with here.
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With 225,000 in the pot,
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he's going to fire what looks to
be 135K and now it's over to Deeb
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and he's got an interesting
spot here, Aaron,
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I assume it's between one of two options.
We're never folding a hand like this.
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We're either calling or
maybe putting in a raise.
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What's your take on Deeb's spot?
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Aaron: So definitely
want to continue, right?
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Even if we're behind to a hand
like Ace King, Ace Queen, ace Jack,
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we have enough equity to continue
given the price we're getting,
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plus there's implied odds of hitting
our flush or a six or another three and
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then of course there's the equity of
when he's just straight up bluffing.
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Now initially I thought this spot
was going to be on the bubble
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and then I might change my strategy
here of how I play this spot,
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but in the money I believe I just want
to be calling this hand because if my
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opponent has a bluff I want them to
keep betting and this is actually a
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board where my opponents range pre flop
has a few hands in it that actually
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makes sense for 'em to keep barreling
that I'm ahead of, king queen, king jack,
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queen jack, all those Broadway draws
are going to bet an ace turn usually.
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Some people over bluff an ace turn anyway,
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so I like just calling here
and then playing a river.
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Mike: Yeah,
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and you were saying that initially we
thought this spot was on the bubble,
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we got some incorrect info
and you are positing that you
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would actually prefer a shove at
least you would prefer the shove more
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if it was on the bubble because of that
extra pressure that you are applying
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Reard's going to have to
maybe make some big folds.
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Is that kind of your general thinking?
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Aaron: Yeah, I think in the money here,
if my opponent, if Reard has Ace King,
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Ace queen, ace jack facing a
shove doesn't feel great about it,
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but the bubble's burst,
pot's pretty big. I have,
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depending his suits as well. If
it's like Ace Queen of diamonds,
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it's going to be a much easier call.
I could see Reard making this call,
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but if we're on the bubble,
if we're short of the money,
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I think people are going to over fold
this spot and I'd mentioned Ace Queen as a
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hand that could potentially call.
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It could potentially fold in both spots
if you think about how your opponent's
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range looks, how often they're
bluffing, what they're bluffing with.
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And so I would not be surprised to
get a fold out of top pair by check
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jamming, especially before the money.
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But once you're in the
money and payouts are flat,
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people are more incentivized to take
risks and call a little bit lighter and
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so that's why I think I prefer
a flat here but look to jam
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potentially on the bubble or close to it.
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Mike: Yeah, that makes sense.
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I would be quite surprised if Reard
would bet fold ace queen here ever in the
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money and then I would be surprised
if he'd even fold it before the money.
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What might happen instead is maybe
he checks the turn more often with
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those types of hands so he doesn't
have to face the check shove.
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So his betting range in the first
place is going to be a bit tighter.
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Do you kind of see that
happening? If we were pre-money?
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Aaron: I think it's possible that his
value range could actually not bet this
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turn as much and theoretically
if he's going to do that,
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he shouldn't have as many bluffs
either. But I'll say it again,
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people I think overall
tend to over bluff the
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ace or the king turns the high card
turns for the preflop raiser and yes,
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they're better for your range,
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but if you're betting your entire range
in that spot and your opponent knows
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that and you turn into a hundred
percent double barrel frequency,
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well that's bad.
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And if you're cutting out the value part
of your range like Ace Queen and Ace
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Jack to protect yourself
from being jammed on,
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but now you're still betting the Bluffs,
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you're even more imbalanced towards a
nuts or nothing type spot and you just
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don't have enough of those strong
value hands to actually balance it out.
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So depending on how he would adjust
here would change our strategy or Deeb's
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strategy,
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but there are many ways you can actually
make a slight mistake here that opens
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it up for your opponent to take advantage.
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Mike: Yeah, makes sense. So let's
go ahead and see what Deeb does.
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He does go for the all in
great play to put Reards exact
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type of hand in a brutal spot.
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I mean it's a clear fold but
he's throwing away 25% equity.
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It's usually going to have at
least around 20% equity, so
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pretty brutal to have to fold a
hand with that much equity here,
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but he does get out of the way and
Deeb takes down a nice pot here
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early in the money stages. We've
got one more hand to go over.
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Fast forwarding about 45 minutes in
real time here we have a different
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feature table and the action
folds around to Bleznick.
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There's still around the same number of
players left in the forties when about
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49 paid. Each player has still
locked up the same amount.
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It's around 50,000 and the next
pay jump is like $6,000 coming
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in a few bust outs. So it's not really
relevant any payout type stuff yet.
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So it starts off the action folding around
to Jared Bleznick in the small blind.
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He's going to limp in with
the Ace Queen offsuit.
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He's playing a 1.8 million chip
stack and the legend Nick Schulman,
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Mr. Smooth voice himself has got
1.6 million in the big blind.
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Starting off with Bleznick's limp.
What is your take on that one, Aaron?
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Aaron: I think my overall strategy here
around 50 effective deep at this point
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from the small blind would
be I'd be limping or I'd be
making it about three and
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a half.
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And I think using strong hands in
both sides of that range is really
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important.
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You don't want to only raise with strong
hands and then all your weak hands,
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you just limp it in. So I
can understand limping here.
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I think if I had to choose I might
prefer to limp ace queen suited,
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but I don't think it matters that much
here because when you're limping ace
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queen, you're probably not
going to limp call anyway.
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You're going to be limp raising,
but I think limping is reasonable.
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You could argue against certain opponents
you want to be doing one or the other
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more, right, raising or limping. But
again, versus solid, tough opponents,
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you definitely want to have
strong hands in both lines.
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Mike: Yeah, in general,
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something I've noticed that
preflop solvers in tournaments
really like to do is
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they like to kind of trap
the suited versions of good
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hands and play it a little
faster with the offsuit versions.
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So you might see a Preflop solver
raise here with Ace Queen offsuit,
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but limp Ace Queen suited just because
that Ace queen suited has a bit more
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playability and by limping you are going
to likely play post flop more often
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and you prefer to have a hand with
slightly more playability. Now that said,
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these little tricks,
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the way the solver kind of chooses its
hands a lot of times it's not incredibly
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vital to absolutely nail. I'm
looking at a 50 big blind chart,
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small blind unopened. So basically this
exact spot, there's 60 big blinds deep,
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53 big blinds deep. So this
chart is pretty close to right.
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This is from the Road to Victory course
on Upswing poker made by Darren Elias
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and Nick Petrangelo. Ace Queen offsuit,
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pure limps in this spot and then Ace
Queen suited raises 25% of the time.
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So we're really splitting hairs.
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You could kind of do either one
with Ace Queen in this situation.
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Aaron: And I imagine the equities
are actually really close as well,
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of raising and limping those hands.
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Mike: Yeah, yeah, I would think so.
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And in case you're
wondering what you would do,
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suppose you limp that ace queen offsuit
or suited and then the big blind raises,
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both of them would just
reraise over that limp.
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So if Nick Schulman made it 90,000
or 120,000 here over this limp,
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which would be a three or
four x Jared Bleznick's
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correct response would be to just Reraise
now with his exact holding Ace Queen
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offsuit and same if he
has Ace Queen suited.
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Moving on to Nick Schulman's action,
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he picks up a little dumpster hand in
the big blind. He's got six two offsuit.
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Now it might look like an auto check,
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but it is worth talking about at least
a little bit how the big blind likes
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to play against a small blind limp.
What's your general approach, Aaron?
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When you are in the big blind,
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the small blind limps and
you're about 50 big blinds deep?
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Aaron: So there are certain players
you're going to be up against who play a
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strategy where it's very face up, where
when they limp they're weak, when they,
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well maybe not weak,
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but they're polar in that they
are generally weak and then super
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duper strong. If you're up
against that kind of player,
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then I think raising six deuce off here
and raising a bunch of your trash makes
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a lot of sense because you're going
to fold out their middling hands,
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some of which are ahead of your
six deuce. In fact most are.
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But if they have a hand like Queen four
or Jack three or even king deuce off,
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how good do you feel about limp calling
it? Some people do, some people don't.
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Depends on the player, but again,
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if their range is comprised mostly of
middling to weak hands that are going to
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fold,
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then it doesn't matter as much that you
have six deuce or seven three or Jack
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ten, raising is going to generate
a fold which wins you the pot,
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which is pretty good.
Against better players
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you do want to be careful
about over raising the spot
and getting exploited like
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that.
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But if I'm going to pick out hands
that I want to be raising here as the
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weaker parts of my range, the bluffs,
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using this isn't terrible using a hand
like six deuce off and I think my general
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strategy would be more likely to
check some of the suited ones.
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But I could see the argument for
raising some suited ones too.
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But a lot of people in the spot in the
big blind are raising hands they think
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are the best hand and
they're raising for value.
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I think in actuality you
want to be raising a lot of
hands that are weak if you
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just think they're
going to generate folds.
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Mike: Yeah, certainly and at equilibrium,
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in other words GTO or how a solver
would play or how great players play,
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there are a lot of hands that the small
blind is going to be limping and then
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folding to a raise. So as the big blind,
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you don't only want to raise
when you have a good hand,
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you don't only want to raise king queen
suited and ace king suited and queens
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and all those types of
really, really good holdings.
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You also want to raise with some quote
unquote bluffs and take down the pot
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pre-flop potentially with those hands.
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I'm going to pull up on screen another
chart from the Road to victory course.
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This is how the big blind plays
against a limp at equilibrium at 50 big
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blinds deep. And if you're
listening to an audio platform,
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I'll do my best to walk you through this.
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The green hands are the ones that raise
the yellow hands are the ones that
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check. 42.7% of hands are green.
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So there's a lot of raising here and a
lot of obvious stuff raises pocket tens,
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pocket eights, Ace ten offsuit,
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ace seven suited like these good
hands raise even queen eight suited,
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queen nine suited raises
because it's a pretty good hand.
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Then we do a lot of checking with middle
of the road hands jack five suited,
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ten five suited, queen six offsuit,
those types of hands check every time.
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But then there's a bunch of raising with
hands that you might find unintuitive.
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There's eight four offsuit raises a
lot, eight three offsuit raises a lot,
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seven three suited raises
sometimes, six four suited.
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And if you just look at this chart,
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there is a ton of raising with these
bottom of the barrel hands and the idea is
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simply to make your opponent fold a
better hand that they will likely fold.
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If you raise with eight three offsuit
in the big blind here and your opponent
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folds eight six offsuit,
that's a huge win.
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You just got them to fold
a hand that dominates you.
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So in solver land in good
player versus good player land,
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you've got to be doing a lot of this
weak hand raising out of the big blind.
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Otherwise you're going to be way too
easy to play against and you're not going
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to be taking advantage of all those
times where the small blind folds.
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I think that's probably enough nerdy
stuff about blind versus blind limped pots
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though Aaron. So let's
move on to the flop.
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Nick Schulman does check with the six
two offsuit in this instance and we get
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the nine nine four, two club flop.
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Jared Bleznick has the ace of clubs with
his ace queen and Schulman has the two
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of clubs with his six two.
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Bleznick checks it over to Schulman
who rechecks his cards and eventually
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here is going to put
in a wager on the flop.
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He's going to go for a one big
blind bet of 30,000 into the 90,000
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chip pot.
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Eventually Bleznick is going
to take a little bit of time,
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but call with his Ace Queen,
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what is your overall analysis
of this flop action, Aaron?
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Aaron: I like it from both players.
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I don't really just want
to bet Ace Queen High here.
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I think checking it basically as a
trap is pretty good and Schulman has
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one of the worst hands you can
have. He has six high, however,
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he does have two suits that could become
relevant later in that he could make
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a flush,
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which he doesn't want to but he could
end up blocking some flushes in the
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future, but we're getting a
little ahead of ourself now.
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But he has six high and his
opponent's shown some weakness.
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He takes a stab at the pot and
Bleznick continues with the call.
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So far so good from both.
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Mike: I think Bleznick could
potentially bet the flop,
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but he actually does benefit from keeping
in a hand like say Queen five offsuit,
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which would fold to a bet.
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Sometimes the turn's going to be a queen
where they'll both hit top pair and now
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Bleznick is going to win a decent
sized pot from that worse queen.
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He might eke out a little bit
of value from worse ace highs,
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but checking certainly can't be
bad with this Ace queen here.
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Schulman taking a shot at the pot with
his six high and relevant suits and kind
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of a weak backdoor straight
draw also makes sense.
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So after that flop action we get
the seven of hearts on the turn.
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We now have a nine nine four seven
board, two clubs, two hearts,
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and somewhat notably Schulman
has both a heart and a club.
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So the relevant suits are
both in Schulman's hand here,
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which is likely going to
steer him towards aggression.
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That's a trick that you'll see a lot of
good players do when they have relevant
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suits. That's often when they decide
to pounce and bluff at the pot.
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So after this turn falls,
Bleznick checks again,
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this is a procedural check to the
previous street aggressor and now it's on
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Schulman. What is your take on how
he should approach this spot, Aaron?
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Aaron: This card kind of looks like
a brick to a lot of people in that it
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doesn't improve his actual equity,
right? He still has six high,
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but we talked about having relevant suits
that he's going to have a heart and a
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club and both of those can block Bleznick
from having continues of potential
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flush draws. And if the
flush draws hit on the river,
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then there's more value
there blocking flushes.
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But additionally he also has a six
in his hand, which isn't as relevant,
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but it's something where on this
river if he bets and gets called on
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this river on an eight or
a ten or a five or a three,
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he's going to block straights and Bleznick
is also unlikely or less likely to
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have those hands anyway.
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But that coupled with Schulman
having six high means,
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I think he has a pretty clear bet here.
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Mike: And you made the point
there that say the river's a five,
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so eight six is a straight Schulman
will block that eight six with his six,
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but of course Bleznick
never has eight six,
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he never lis pre flop with eight six
calls the flop with a crappy eight high
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then calls the turn with a straight draw.
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But sometimes even when that's the case,
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the solver or good players will still
play aggressively with those types of
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hands. It's just a
board interaction thing.
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Having that board interaction
is better than not having it.
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It's going to make your play at
least slightly more successful.
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So back to the action. After
Bleznick checks over to Schulman,
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Schulman eventually finds a barrel here.
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He's going to take a
moment to load up the clip,
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but he goes ahead and reaches for those
green 25,000 chips and he elects to put
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out five of them.
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It was six of them rather
for a full pot sized bet.
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He goes 150,000 into 150,000 here,
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really representing a nine.
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I think here is what he's saying.
His value range mainly is,
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maybe he could have a
hand like seven eight,
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I'm not sure he would want to
bet this big with seven eight,
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but it is a strong hand in this situation.
So I think he maybe still would,
436
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,540
but overall he's saying the heart
of his value range here is a nine.
437
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,360
And then of course there's a
lot of draws on this board.
438
00:24:35,361 --> 00:24:38,720
Again it's nine nine four
seven, 2 clubs, 2 hearts.
439
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:42,980
So there are a ton of draws, a ton of
open enders, two different flush draws.
440
00:24:43,340 --> 00:24:44,360
When that's the case,
441
00:24:44,361 --> 00:24:47,480
especially when the hands you're going
to be betting for value are very strong,
442
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:52,190
you are going to see big bets get used
by good players because Schulman just has
443
00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:53,300
a lot of good draws,
444
00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:57,380
a lot of good hands like nine x for
trips and by betting big he's going to
445
00:24:57,381 --> 00:24:59,840
really challenge Bleznick
and put him in a tough spot.
446
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,860
Aaron: And I think Schulman can still
bet a hand like Ace four or even like
447
00:25:03,861 --> 00:25:07,790
King four, queen four, jack four
here it's a blind on blind spot,
448
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:11,390
especially when you think your opponent's
not going to fold Ace High on a board
449
00:25:11,391 --> 00:25:15,260
with so many potential
draws going bigger, thinner,
450
00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:17,750
using with a worse hand,
451
00:25:17,751 --> 00:25:21,950
still picking that big size makes sense
you're getting value from the ace highs
452
00:25:21,951 --> 00:25:23,090
and potentially even worse,
453
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:27,800
potentially even a hand like Jack ten
of hearts that peels flop decides to get
454
00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:29,450
to this turn isn't folding.
455
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:34,520
Mike: It is really sick if Schulman has
a hand like ten four offsuit here and
456
00:25:34,521 --> 00:25:37,700
goes for this big size on the turn and
then probably going to check back the
457
00:25:37,701 --> 00:25:41,720
river unimproved and that
allowed him to get a very,
458
00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:45,530
very big bet of value in on the
turn. So I think that's a good point.
459
00:25:45,531 --> 00:25:50,420
It is very possible that Schulman
could be as thin as a four here for
460
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:53,030
value. Bleznick does
call with his ace high,
461
00:25:53,031 --> 00:25:55,490
450,000 going into the river.
462
00:25:55,910 --> 00:26:00,410
Schulman's got 1.4 million behind,
so stack's not super in play.
463
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,780
Bleznick checks over to him.
464
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:05,990
The five of hearts on the river make
Schulman six of hearts very relevant,
465
00:26:05,991 --> 00:26:06,824
right?
466
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:07,851
Aaron: Very relevant.
467
00:26:07,851 --> 00:26:12,470
He blocks flushes and the six also gives
him a straight draw blocker that he can
468
00:26:12,471 --> 00:26:14,690
block eight six and six three.
469
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,630
I mean Bleznick cannot make a
straight without having a six and
470
00:26:20,631 --> 00:26:23,270
it's harder to make a flush
now that Schulman has a heart.
471
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:27,380
So I think it's a pretty good
spot for Schulman to keep betting.
472
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,690
I actually think recreational
players tend to play preflop and
473
00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:37,250
flop a lot closer to optimally
than they do other streets
474
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,970
and I think on turn and river is
where people incorrectly shut down.
475
00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,290
So a lot of people will say
something like, well yeah,
476
00:26:43,291 --> 00:26:46,890
I like that he bet flop and turn, but
my opponent calls it's time to give up.
477
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,020
In reality the opposite is true.
478
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:54,450
This is I think the street where a lot
of professionals show their medal and get
479
00:26:54,451 --> 00:26:58,170
value and in this case the value is
going to be by actually having the heart,
480
00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:02,340
no pun intended, to fire
the bluff with six high.
481
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:03,181
Mike: Yeah,
482
00:27:03,181 --> 00:27:07,950
I think it's easy for more
casual recreational players
and such to get a little
483
00:27:07,951 --> 00:27:10,440
afraid on the river and not want to
put in that big bet with nothing.
484
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:12,480
But you got to do it
sometimes, you got to do it.
485
00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:14,190
Unless you know your
opponent's not going to fold.
486
00:27:14,191 --> 00:27:16,350
But I think most of the
time you don't know that.
487
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:19,290
Schulman does load up a big bet.
488
00:27:19,291 --> 00:27:23,580
Here he goes for 350,000 into a 450,000
489
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,560
chip pot and now Bleznick
is in a pretty bad spot.
490
00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:32,460
He's got just Ace Queen High, he has no
relevant suits, he doesn't have a heart,
491
00:27:32,461 --> 00:27:37,410
so he doesn't block flushes. Is this a
hand he can ever hero call with Aaron?
492
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,810
Aaron: I mean you could.
I don't think I would.
493
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:46,020
I will say that if his
suits were different,
494
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:50,130
if they were just switched where he
has the Ace of spades and the queen of
495
00:27:50,131 --> 00:27:50,964
clubs,
496
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,810
I'm definitely not calling because at
that point you'll be blocking queen high
497
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:58,500
flush draws that might decide to
barrel through, Queen high club draws.
498
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,410
His ace of clubs isn't really
relevant as we talked about,
499
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:06,780
but Bleznick has the same hand here
as in other combos of Ace Queen that
500
00:28:06,781 --> 00:28:09,780
actually might want to call
specifically one with a heart.
501
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:12,000
Then you would actually block flushes.
502
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,710
So if he has a hand like we'll say
ace of diamonds, queen of hearts,
503
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:19,020
I actually think that's a
hand that might hero this.
504
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,620
Hoping your opponent has bricked clubs
try to stab the flop and barreled
505
00:28:22,621 --> 00:28:26,550
through. But I think with the exact
holding, I would opt to be folding.
506
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:28,410
In addition to having Ace Queen,
507
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:32,520
he has so many other hands that
are just better than Ace High.
508
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:37,650
Maybe he traps the flop with a nine,
maybe he has hands like a four,
509
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:40,110
maybe even four x of hearts
where he gets some flushes.
510
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,060
Maybe he slow played an over pair,
511
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:47,040
maybe he floated ace seven on
the flop and turned a pair.
512
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:50,910
So I just think he has so many
better hands and this one,
513
00:28:50,911 --> 00:28:54,480
the suits themselves aren't great
and so I would look to fold.
514
00:28:55,500 --> 00:29:00,390
Mike: Yeah, this would be a very
spicy hero call from Bleznick on the
515
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,830
river. Again, the board is nine
nine four seven five, 3 hearts.
516
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:09,750
Bleznick with just Ace Queen High
and he does eventually let it go.
517
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:14,220
Schulman takes down this nice pot and
approves his position for the rest of the
518
00:29:14,221 --> 00:29:18,240
tournament in this key
stage just inside the money.
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00:29:18,241 --> 00:29:21,360
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