UPA - Ron Hyde Encounter

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Australia, the sixth largest country on
Earth, an ancient, rugged and unforgiving
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land with abundant animal life, both
beautiful and deadly found within its own inspiring
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landscapes and natural beauty. Exists a
deep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
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the courage to investigate them. Tonight
we joined Ben on a journey across this
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vast island continent in search of answers
to events that have reshaped the lives of
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so many that have been exposed to
unexplained phenomena. All stress with your host
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been her, Good to everyone,
and welcome to another episode of Unexplained Phenomena
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Australia. Tonight. We've got a
really intriguing episode for you Tonight. We're
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going to be looking at the very
interesting case of a man called Ron Hides,
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who on the twenty fourth of August
that nineteen sixty seven, had a
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truly extraordinary encounter on the Hume Highway, which is the main highway between Sydney
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and Melbourne, at about five o'clock
in the afternoon, when he encountered a
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landed UFO or craft with two occupants
outside as he was riding his motorcycle just
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outside the town of Aubrey, right
on the New South Wales Victorian border.
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So this case has been absolutely an
incredible case, and it's really been lost
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to time because it occurred so many
years ago, and an interview that Ron
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has done in the year of the
encounter has been unearthed. Now, I
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grew very interested in this case when
I was young at school. I remember
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reading a little bit about it,
just the basic outline of it, and
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even today you can go online to
various websites and find a basic outline of
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what actually occurred to Ron on the
twenty fourth of August nineteen sixty seven.
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So it was my first experience through
school, and I've always been on my
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list of cases to have a look
at and to get involved in again.
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And one day I was talking to
my good friend and fellow researcher George Simpson,
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who I had on the show about
two weeks ago. And as I
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was talking to George and told him
about my interest in the case and what
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a great encounter it was, George
then said to me that he had a
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tape with an interview that Ron had
done in October nineteen sixty seven. Now
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this is significant as the recording was
done so close in time to the actual
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events when it was definitely fresh in
Ron's mind, and that comes out very
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clearly in the interview. The interview
had been found on a real to real
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tape in the possession of longtime View
Force member Les Bristol. So tonight,
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George is going to join me and
we will present this to you in full.
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This is a long lost interview and
has not been heard in over fifty
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years, not by the public and
certainly not by a twenty first century audience,
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and it is very compelling listening.
So with that, I would like
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to welcome George. Hello, George, were you very well? Thank you
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for joining me again on tonight's So
I'm very excited to be talking about this
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case, and I was very I
was very happy when you mentioned to me
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that you actually did have a copy
of an interview that Ron had done.
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Well. I was surprised because the
name that you mentioned about the case matched
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the tape I had just been listening
to. Because I was playing a real
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to real tape and digitizing it so
I could put a bit of modern day
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magic on it to tide up the
sound and make it sound a bit better.
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So everybody can listen to it,
and it's a pretty good recording and
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with a bit of tweaking, it's
come up pretty well. And yeah,
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I had been just doing it in
the last few days before you mentioned the
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case, so of course I said, yeah, well, we've got a
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tape of that. It's an old
View Force tape. And I was a
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committee member of view Force for eight
years and this came to me through through
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through this. It's an old real
to real tape and it's it's really but
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good. Maybe we should just introduce
the story now. The thing is,
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I'm not one hundred percent sure I
never met Ray Fisher, but Ray Fisher
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was one of the early guys in
View Force and he owned this real to
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real tape recorder and he went around
interviewing a whole lot of people. I'm
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pretty sure it must have been him, because he would have been with the
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tape recorder. And it doesn't sound
like it's not Peter Norris's voice on the
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tape. It's not Peter Norris.
I'm pretty sure it's Ray Fisher. He
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sounds like a very a typical Australian
gentleman of the nineteen sixties. So they
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had almost a British sounding manner to
them when they were very highly educated people.
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Yes, and of course people to
get into interview with her researcher normally
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very highly educated people, aren't we
you know we are locally chance yeah,
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yeah, we're all fully qualified in
everything, of course, yeah, certainly
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highly intelligent as well. You know, well, you'll hear this guy.
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He sounds like a bridge you know
he might have or if you listen to
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the ABC radio in those days in
the sixties, all the radio announcers sounded
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like they were coming from London,
you know, like going from England.
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But anyway, so you'll hear you'll
hear him talking on the tape. But
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you'll hear the motorcyclist, the rod
talking about what's happened to him. M
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very Australian, really a good Australian
voice, rather than talking about how about
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you run a bit of it?
Well I've listened, yes, yeah,
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well I just yeah, just quickly
before that, I'll just give people an
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orientation just on where this occurred.
Just a couple of brief prick pictures.
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So this is a map of Victoria, Australia, Melbourne being the capital city.
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Down at the center there and where
that red dropper is is the town
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of aubrew Donga, which is a
two towns that run across the Victorian and
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the New South Wales border. So
that's that's where in the state and where
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in Australia this particular incident occurred.
So I'll just show you that for now,
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and I've got a couple of other
images I might be able to bring
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up as we go along just that. We'll also show that a little clear
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as well. So idea. Yeah, so I think we'll just launch straight
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into it. So so George and
I are going to play a piece of
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the tape, then we'll stop it, have a bit of a chat and
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keep playing and we'll just see how
we go. So here we go.
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I'll start it now on the sixties
of October nineteen sixty seven, regarding the
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sighting of no identified flying object south
on the twenty fourth of August nineteen sixty
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seven, Ron Where exactly did you
see this object? For the highway?
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What were you doing with the gun? Bring a motor between and Melbourne?
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Who of Melbourne? Yeah, that's
what I think. How far where are
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you from with Donga at the time
of the striving? What time was it
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go Was it five o'clock? It
was? It was light, pretty light
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at the time. The sun was
still out. I had been running earlier.
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I'd stop it all be for about
an hours till the rain stopped and
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that cleared up very well in that
area. That was quite a clear blue
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sky with clouds on the horizons,
but none above us. Was it windy
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at the time, No, there's
no wing. Was the sky completely overcast?
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No, it was definitely clear above
where I was. How did you
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first notice the object? As I
said, I was doing about seventy mile
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hour and I was suddenly surrounded by
a very very bright, bluish white light.
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It was so intense it was hard
to see out of it. It
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was a sort of a circle of
light around me, and would have been
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I'm only guessing it was for about
thirty feet I should imagine diameter of the
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light itself. And naturally I looked
up to see where the source was,
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and I was so intense the light
above me that I was virtually blinded,
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and so I had to stop the
bowling. Was the light shining on you
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in a beam or was the light
sort of generally over the countryside surrounding you
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No, it was just over me, just right over you know. Whatever
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the source of the light was was
directly above me, shining down and over
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me. Does it light up the
road there? Oh yeah, it's very
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bright. There's a road wet or
dry? It was try What did you
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do then, Ron Well? I
stopped the boy and took the sunglasses off,
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which I was wearing at the time. They're only just an achieved pair
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of plastic minds and not polver or
anything, and white eyes. And for
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some reason I looked off the road
down to my left and there was a
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disc shaved object. I first appeared
to be on the grin, but after
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looking at Philo, I realized it's
about three or four feet above the grin.
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Would have only been about a hundred
away from me. When you were
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driving along before you stopped and you
first saw this light, could you see
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any object? No, there was. There was just a vague suggestion of
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something above the light, but it
was so good. Only looked at it
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for a fresh of a second.
I couldn't couldn't see, you know,
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and it was right above you at
that time. It was directly above me,
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but I couldn't say it. What
hight? There's no way of knowing.
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It's just so so intense. So
you stopped the bait, wiped your
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glasses and had a look, and
you saw an object off to the left
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of you in the paddo, because
that's right. It was slight downhill from
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the road. It would have been
about three or four feet later road level
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where the thing was. And I
left the mode of the boat going stuck
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it up on the on the center
standards, you know, the standard,
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so if you can leave it there. And I was wondering whether or not
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to go out and have a look
at this scene. I stood there for
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quite a while. When I say
quite a while, a minute or so.
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It could have been two minutes.
It's hard to time. And then
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the car went past, and I
stepped down from the right into sort of
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a colored thing where on the side
of the field, and I sort of
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heard the Karen. I tried to
stop it the point I kicked out,
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but he went past. And then
when I came back, or when I
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looked back at the thing, there's
two figures that appeared on my side of
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it. So I'll just pause it
there. George, do you make of
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that so far? Well, first
of all, I'm very glad that the
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very beginning was muffled. But it
got clearer, didn't it. I was
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thinking, oh, no, this
sounds terrible, but it got very clear.
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You could hear it now. So
that's just how it was the original
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tape. Interesting. I mean,
he's describing something that's very large and right
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above him while he's riding this bike, very very bright, and he's looked
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up and it's so bright. Now
he had to stop riding the bike because
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it's basically overloaded his eyes. It's
blinded him, and he had to It
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was not safe to write a motorbike
if you can't see. Yeah, you're
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hitting off the bike. You're going
to come to a stop. So he's
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done that, and then he's,
um, he's on the side of the
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road, and then he's seen something
that's landed on the ground. What did
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he say, a couple of hundred
yards away or something from him? Yeah,
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he says one hundred feet and I
think that's about yeah. Well,
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and it's it's about five o'clock in
the afternoon or something like that, wasn't
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it. That's a day a daylight
event, and he's riding solo on the
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motorbike. Oh, he did one
thing that's one of my pet hates.
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He said he put it up on
the stand and left the motor running on
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the motorbike. Yeah, well that's
probably so he can make a quick escape.
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But I hate seeing idling engines,
especially diesels. But that's just me.
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I hate them. You got to
turn those motors off if you're not
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driving, turn them off. Yes, anyway, I think I think he's
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wanting to m Yeah. I think
he would have done so because he could
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escape exactly. Yeah, so he's
this thing, you know, and he
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talks about this very calmly, as
we'll see when we continue. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, further, I'll
press play the car that went past.
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Do you think you could have seen
the object from the road. It's hard
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to say, but I doubt it
unless they're looking in that in that area.
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I doubt very much. They may
have just seen something, but going
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past yet to put the road there
it's now, I'd say it wouldn't soon.
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Whilst you was stopped, how many
cards do you think passed you on
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the highway, Well, there was
only the one that went past that I
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tended to stop, which I had
no hope. I couldn't get the road
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fast enough and then they may have
been others go past after that, But
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I was too intrigued by the thing
to notice how far off the road was
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the object. Well, it wouldn't
have been much more than hundred feet.
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This was This was a grassy area, paddocked area, farm area. It
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was. It was a paddock to
look as that have been used to graze
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sheep or cattle or something like.
This is no trees stirring. The newest
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three would have been about two hundred
yards away. It was just an open
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expense. Were there any animals in
the paddock at the time, No,
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there was no animals. No people. Man, I think there's me.
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Could you see any homestead from the
from the area you were out, Not
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from where I was, but up
the road a bit another two or three
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miles up the road, there was
a homestead on the left for the well
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off the right. But what did
you do after you got off the bike?
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You were standing watching the object and
you saw two figures. Yeah,
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I didn't see them come out of
the object. It was quite obviously belong
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to it. And we just sort
of stood there and looked at each other
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for a while. I presumed that
looking at me, though facing in my
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direction, and then I took a
step towards him to see what's so reaction
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it again, and the two figures
did exactly the same thing. That's incredible,
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isn't it. M Yeah, I
guess he was would have been fairly
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surprised too. He's his figures.
He's talking about, well, basically what
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humanoid looking creatures, not animals,
but little people that have resembled humans.
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I guess yeah, And he's talking
about, well I would I would be
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doing exactly what he is doing,
and I would still be standing there.
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And he's kind of so he's sort
of in this little Mexican standoff, sort
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of a situation. At the moment
where he's standing, they've seen him.
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He didn't see them appear, but
then the next minute, there there they
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are, two of them, five
foot tall, clad in an entirely a
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skin tight uniform with a fishbowl type
of helmet. He's taken a step to
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see how they'll react. He might
have been hoping they would step back.
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That they stepped forward. He stepped
forward. They step forward. Wow.
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Wow, let's let's keep listening to
Yeah, you have to be pretty sure
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of yourself to do that. I
guess, yeah, I think you're right.
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And we sha were there for a
while longer, and I was wondering
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whether the turnt out and run or
go across and see what was doing.
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And one of the figures took two
steps towards me quite slowly and raised his
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hand and back on the over to
him at this stage of panic, and
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died back on the bike and took
off down their own Could you see any
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opening in the craft, any door
or passage or ladder of any sort.
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No, there was nothing showing whatsoever. And how far do you think the
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object was off the ground about three
or four feet? Did it'd stay at
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a constant height all the time that
you watched it. Yes, it didn't
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murve, it didn't didn't make any
No, it didn't do anything. It
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just sort of hovered about the green
And son Kenny was getting back to these
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figures, whether they what sort of
figures were they? To describe them as
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eagly as you can remember them,
well, they are about five to five
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and a half feet tall. I
couldn't say for sure even most I was
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a big classed I say between five
and five and a half feet tall,
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completely covered from neck to from neck
to foot in a sort of a silver
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cover. But it was a very
very tight fitting thing. There's no steams,
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no creases. It almost looked like
skin. Including the hands and the
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feet were covered in this. It's
just because though somebody sprayed in the silver
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paint or listener, did this material
reflect like a silver sheet? Ordered?
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Did it look like a silver cloth? Silver cloth? That didn't appear to
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be reflective. Um, it was
similar to an unbuffed chrome in an appearance.
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It didn't appear to be on chrome, but the actual texture or the
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color of it was like unbuffed cromes. Had no reflective quality. You know.
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Could you see any joints in the
material at ale? No, there
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was nothing muchever. How about the
being's feet, No, they just had
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this discover appear to extend over their
feet the whole lot. I know.
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Well he couldn't see any shoes.
Um, well these there may have been
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a soul on this. It just
looked as though the thing had a zip
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r up the back, which I
couldn't see them. They stepped into it,
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and it's head, shoes, cloves, the whole lot all in one.
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How are they built heavy slight?
Well, I'd say what we call
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a medium built. Those didn't appear
to any excess that it might be consume
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that got fat, but it didn't
appear. Just put it away five five
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foot five. This is the way
I'd like to be thought. I see
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the hands of these beings. Could
you see that that just some separate fingers
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or was it completely covered in the
silver material? Now this I took notice
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of it because I had seen I
had seen them move, but arms,
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legs, and hands, and they
are exactly the same as we are in
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joints in the distance between joints.
I can't say about the head because it
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was covered by a helmet of some
description, and it may have had a
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transparent area in the front of them, but the rest of the helmet an
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opaque finish. Just pause it there
a very detailed description. Yeah, yeah,
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well he was. When you're riding
a motorcycle, it's like you're going
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to war with the rest of the
road users. You have to be alert.
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You have to be well awake and
alert and very very observant about everything
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because your survival depends on it.
And so he's pulled it over the bike
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and he's looking at everything, and
yeah, he's just observing what he's recalling
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what he saw. Interesting that they
about the helmet and the tight fitting,
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almost like it looked like it was
sprayed onto them kind of. That's a
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tight suit. Interesting stuff. Yeah, it is, and it's quite a
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common reported type of suit too throughout
UFO history, like particularly during that fifties
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and sixty seventies type of period,
there's lots of silver suits and helmeted occupants
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appearing in different crafts and always with
that skin time, almost like a second
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skin type of appearance. Well,
what occurred to me just in that little
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segment too, was he didn't say
there were any legs going down to the
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ground from the object. It was
just holding there. You know that movie
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The Flight of the Navigator, That
object just hovers. There's no leagues to
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the ground. It's just there and
you know, the steps come down,
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but there's nothing supporting them either.
That was Hollywood, but it was well
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done. But he's describing something that's
so far different to anything we know.
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You know, we would have a
league with a wheel on the end of
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it, you know, hasn't got
anything. It's just sitting there, not
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making any sound, and it's rock
solid, just sitting there. Very interesting,
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very interesting. Yeah, I'll keep
playing. Yeah, And I couldn't
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see into it. Could you describe
the helmet or thoroughly as a designers saying,
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you know, and sort of what
size it was in relation to the
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normal head? About half as large
again perhaps you know, bet half is
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large again just like a fish,
Just like a fish, Bob, it's
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completely rare. So it came round
at the base of their necks, knot
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to their shoulders. The cover a
thing went to there, went to neck
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and this and this helmet seemed to
fit down over the thing which was which
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appeared fantastic because quite obviously they couldn't
drag the thing off. It wouldn't fit
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over their chins, had to prove
saying, somebody, they've got the same
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sort of features of what we had. And even between the helmet and the
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cover, I couldn't see any joint. I presume it must have been,
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but I couldn't see him. This
helmet was the same color as the games
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that they were wearing. No,
it wasn't. It was a graysh It
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was more of a gray same sort
of same sort of texture of a grayish
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color metallic. It's hard to say. I couldn't say It could have been
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metallic, It could have been some
sort of a plastic substance. You know,
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how they looked at same. But
it seems strange to me that I
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couldn't see into the helmet doing so
close to it. You think that if
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there had been a transparent part at
the front that I would would have noticed
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this it was a helmet the same
color all over, or was there any
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difference in the shade of the helmet, for instance, in front of we
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think their eyes would be No,
it appeared to be the same all over.
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There was no face plate or anything
over, none that I could see.
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But thinking about the about the helmet, that would have been possible for
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a transparent part to be in the
front of it without me seeing it from
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the angle we were. Because what
I find so interesting about the way he
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describes the helmet, it's almost like
this suit is kind of like a what's
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the right word. It's like it's
almost it's almost part of the body,
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or most like the helmet. The
helmet. He couldn't st get around how
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the helmet and the neck were attached
to each other. Like it's a really
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extraordinary description for what I would call
a uniform and not what you would encounter
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in a in our world. Oh
well, it's it's reminding me just listening
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to it. It's reminding me a
bit of the astronauts when they were on
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the moon. They had the suits
went up to their neck. They had
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a large ring around that when they
had a big helmet on top, and
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the lighting was such that when they
were on the moon you couldn't see their
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faces inside it, and they took
those photographs or you got was a reflection
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of what was in the environment was
reflected. So it could be a similar
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effect like that. Perhaps it's like
he's not he's not seeing some strange looking
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person looking at him, is he
He's just seeing the arms and legs of
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the body and at this brown helmet
and the armed gesture was beckoning him to
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come over, and he's thinking maybe
maybe not. Yeah, But he's a
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very good it's a very clear description. And this is one of the things
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I like about these eyewitness cases.
You know, the skeptics will always say
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people are really bad at describing things
or remembering things. Memories are really terrible.
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Dis guy's memorizing very clearly what he's
seeing and give you very clear description
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and he's thought about what it was
and he's trying to figure it out.
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He's an intelligent guy, you know
he's not and you've got to give this
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guy some credit. You know,
he's given very clear descriptions of something he
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has never counted before. And he
says, it looks like it could be
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a plastic, it could be a
metallity thing or a ceramic. He's not
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sure. It's got certain proper what
he needs that he can describe, but
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he can't say for sure what they
are. So he's very intelligent. Yeah,
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he is, he is. And
that's one of the things that I
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really love about about this encounter is
just how he almost he's kind of almost
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detached from it because he's not extremely
emotional about it. He talks about it
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in an extremely rational way. And
I think that for such a high high
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strangeness encounter, his description of it
is extraordinary. And I don't think I've
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really heard something like it myself.
There might be other examples out there,
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but his description is very, very
thorough. Yeah, Yeah, he's pretty
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good. Yeah, let's say next, let's let's keep on. Let's let's
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let's not dilly dally what's behind me? On them? I think it would
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have been possible to have just a
clip piece of glass in the front.
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I still would have soon it.
So the helmets were really reflecting more than
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the gamuts that they were wearing.
Not reflecting so much. They seemed it
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more absorbed light and reflect light.
But they had a m It's very hard
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to explain it. Not a reflective
quality, but they seemed, as I
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said, to hold the light,
but not reflected away from them like a
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mirror high polish metal does. So, I mean the craft was of a
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high polish medal quite obviously reflected light, but the sets didn't. Even though
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they were brighter than what they would
have been in a dark room, you
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know, they wouldn't have wouldn't you
would have seen them in a dark room.
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They still seemed to somehow sort of
hold the light. We'll put it
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this way. I can't I've never
seen anything like it before. This is
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sort of absorbing light quality. So
I can't compare it with anything. I
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know. It's very hard to find
words because there isn't any right did you
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ever see these figures from the rear? No? Only front views? Wow,
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it's interesting, isn't it? Yeah? Very clear description? Yeah,
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I mean, the way it talks
is that you can you can actually see
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what he's saying. Yeah. Yeah, and he's saying that this helmet is
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absorbing light rather than collecting. That's
interesting. No, No, if we've
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got anything that's quite like that.
No, I haven't heard that before about
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about a suited occupant being described in
that way, that it's absorbing light,
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not not not not shiny or reflecting
it, because you often hear that about
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craft themselves. Was lit up like
a billboard, but they don't cast shadows.
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So there's some interesting qualities to these
to these materials that they're being used.
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This is nineteen sixty seven, Yeah, some kind of dynamic going on
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there that we don't know about.
No, so this is just one one
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year afterward, in the next year
after Westall happened, Yes, exactly.
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That's a really good point. Yeah, just straight after, Yeah, within
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the next twelve months from Westall.
This is a major you know, closing
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out with with occupants on the ground, so you know people was pretty close.
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Yeah, and really close, yeah, exactly, extraordinary close to him,
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you know, amazing. I'll press
play from the side only from the
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front. I'm only surmising it.
They were the same as well. I
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didn't see them from the side,
but if they hadn't been fifteen feet thick
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or something, it would have shout
up. What distance were they from you?
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Again? Well bother taking the distance
I was from the bike and what
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they were from the craft, I
would say no more than eighty feet,
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perhaps even seventy feet. Did they
at any time speak or shout to you
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or emitting the audible sound? Now
at this stage I hadn't hadn't heard a
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sound either from the craft or from
the two figures. How did you feel
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at the stage? Run Well,
for some reason, and it's not in
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character with myself, I was extremely
frightened thinking about it, reasonably frightened.
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I mean, it's understandable I would
have been a little bit apprehensive or something,
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but not not to the point of
well, versely sheer terror, which
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I felt when this when this person
beckoned me over to them, and thinking
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about it later, I wasn't aware
of it at the time, but thinking
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about it later, it seemed to
me that there was that the craft or
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the people or something in the area
was was sort of sending sending this way
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like a radio wave, which I
couldn't feel within the senses or touch or
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smell or something. But it's seemed
to be radiating the sphere. I don't
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know. This may have been a
reason for the contact to see what sort
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of a reaction would this would bring
about. This He might ordered a panic
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reaction or fear reaction to this.
Start immediately you stopped the bike, Before
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you stopped the bike. Afterwards,
how to sort of begin and how to
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build up now, quite definitely on
this. Before the figures appeared, I
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was well adversely made up my mind. If if they hadn't have appeared,
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I would have gone over the object
and how to look at it. And
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it wasn't until up I looked away
from the object and looked back and saw
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the figures that this this this fear
impulse. Okay, that's the that's the
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end of part part one. So
yeah, really really really incredible stuff.
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So this fear he's talking about,
this fear impulse. You know what that
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reminds me of. Remember when Chase
Colessi came out here and she was talking
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about they went out into that field
where the things had been seen flying around,
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and they thought there might have been
somebody hiding in the bushes, but
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there was this sort of a they
noticed this really like something was generating a
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feeling that they all picked up on, and it was fear, and it
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was like it was put upon them
so that they took out, took off
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out of there exactly. Have Ye, that's a good that's a good analogy.
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That's a really, that's a that's
a really that's a really good comparison.
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And I think that he's you know, like we all say that we'd
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love to stand there and you go
up and meet the aliens, but it's
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not necessarily going to happen that way. Yeah, or if it has,
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they may generate it's a safety mechanism, something to make you turn tail and
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run, make you frightened. M
it's almost like a vibe fear machine.
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A vibe you feel fear, you
go, you get out of there,
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absolutely, And it's almost like there's
this it's almost like it's an experiment between
409
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.000
him and them as well, like
there's this there's this sort of like you
410
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.160
they take, he takes it.
If they take a step, Um gets
411
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:07.799
raised up, beckoning, and it's
just it's just really sort of interaction that
412
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.599
occurred. So I'll start um,
that's all right, Yeah, let's have
413
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.680
a listen to the next. But
what's you going to say, now,
414
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.480
Well, let's let's have let's have
a listen. So let's go back a
415
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.839
little minute. I apparently haven't got
this quite straight. When you first saw
416
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.720
the object on the ground, there
were no figures, No, there were
417
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.839
no figures when I first saw it, And as I said, before I
418
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.200
looked away, I was going to
try and wave the carding that went past
419
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.359
it fast and putting it up on
a road quick enough. I duat if
420
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.240
you would have stopped anyway, being
a motorcycles and all of us. But
421
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:44.119
it wasn't until I look back to
the craft the second time that the figures
422
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:45.359
were there. I didn't see them
get out of the craft. I'm only
423
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:47.599
somebody, and they belong to it, we say, quite obviously, just
424
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.319
buy their dress that I didn't see
them leave the craft. I just looked
425
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.680
back, and then they were standing
in front of the thing, facing that
426
00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:00.200
far away from the craft were they
when you first saw them, about ten
427
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:07.200
feet in front of them. And
this fear reaction sat as at that stage.
428
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.000
Well, it's hard to say exactly
when it started, but I became
429
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.720
aware of it after I'd taken the
step. I didn't become aware of it
430
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.160
then, but thinking back on it
now, I realized when it first hit
431
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.640
me it was after i'd taken the
step towards the figures, and they'd done
432
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:27.279
the same, and they copied the
action you took the initiative first year,
433
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.160
were the first one to move.
Yeah, well, at this stage,
434
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.640
I was just purely curious. When
I first saw the thing. I'd heard
435
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.160
a little bit about flying source,
it hadn't taken any interest in them,
436
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.400
and my immediate reaction when I first
saw it was well, as a flying
437
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.920
source, So now we know they
exist, and I wonder what it's doing
438
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.519
there and will I go over and
have a look at it. But it
439
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.559
was just purely curiosity. As I
said, if this fear reaction hadn't said
440
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.640
in after these figures appeared, I
would have definitely gone over to the to
441
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.680
the source or the discot if you
want to call it, and how to
442
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.960
look at it. Have you ever
felt this sort of fear or panic before
443
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.400
or in any other situation. No? Never, Well, just just a
444
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.319
for instance, I've been racing bikes
for a few years and to feel fiel
445
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.000
or panic or fool in the race, trake this was an unreasonable fee.
446
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.719
You couldn't you couldn't fight against it. No, it was completely out of
447
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:15.880
character. It was it was just
like an animal instinct that I wanted to
448
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.000
do was hop on the bike and
run away. You know, which is
449
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.079
so, isn't it? Isn't that
issue? That's exactly That's an exact reaction,
450
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:29.159
isn't it. Yeah. Well,
also he said something else there.
451
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:35.960
It was quite interesting. He said, he races motorbikes, so's he's you
452
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.480
know, he knows what he's doing
with his bike. He knows how to
453
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.960
ride. He's a very very proficient
motorcyclist. He races motorcycles. Well,
454
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.320
if you're racing a motorbike, you
are so alert. When you're going even
455
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.920
faster, you're looking at everything around
you at very rapid speed. You have
456
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:02.440
to to survive. And this thing
isn't moving or doing anything, and he's
457
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:06.960
just standing there. He's taking one
step and all of a sudden, he's
458
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.440
got this great feeling of fear that's
overcome him and he just wants to jump
459
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.679
on the bike and get out of
there. Yeah. It's just the very
460
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:22.039
interesting and the only other UFO encounter
I've heard of where anybody has said that
461
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.360
this fear ran through the people?
Was that when I mentioned board, Chase
462
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:32.000
said that that happened to them.
Yeah, really, really very interesting.
463
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.679
A lot of these things don't get
into the reports, do they. I
464
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:38.880
don't know. I notice that you're
not going to read online when you when
465
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.280
you go to a to a web
to a web page for a snapshot of
466
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.199
this particular case, you're not going
to you're not going to get that.
467
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:52.840
This is what the interviews will give
you. Yeah, okay, we'll keep
468
00:35:52.880 --> 00:36:01.079
going play it away. Yes,
you know it was possessed by that was
469
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.760
completely unreasonable. Let's go back again
to the what we're talking about. A
470
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.880
moment ago, you took a step
towards the figures and the object. What
471
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.360
did they do? Yeah, we
faced each other for a minute or so,
472
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.480
and I was still curious at this
stage, and I took a step
473
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.920
towards them to see what they do. And then they took the same step
474
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.920
towards me. After I'd taken a
step, they bass took a step towards
475
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:25.840
me, and then we just stood
a sort of a star mate again for
476
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.920
a while. And then after being
in this position for a while, it's
477
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.239
suppose a minute or so, it
could have just been five seconds. It's
478
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.320
high to sign. But then one
of the other figures took a couple of
479
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.760
steps towards me and beckoned the other
and it was at this day, is
480
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.800
it just absolutely sheer panic hit me? That's when the sheer panic hit him.
481
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.920
I wonder if that's um that look
that could either be explained by being
482
00:36:52.960 --> 00:37:00.199
a psychological reaction that suddenly came to
him that I could be in danger here,
483
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.400
or it could be that they've got
ane of method of making you keep
484
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:13.960
your distance, I make you have
this fear. Maybe it's just a natural
485
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:20.559
fear reaction. Maybe absolutely. Look, I'm not a qualified psychologist, you
486
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.239
know, I studied psychology, but
I I dropped out of UNI. I
487
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.360
didn't finish my cause. But so
I can't really say definitely, you know,
488
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:36.599
was was this a psychological reaction?
I think if I was there,
489
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.159
it would be a psychological reaction.
I hope you're getting out of there,
490
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:45.840
wouldn't you. Yeah? Absolutely,
And listening to listening to it around no
491
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.960
exactly right, And listening to Ron, he doesn't seem like a sort of
492
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.280
guy who scares easily either. So
listening to the way that he talks.
493
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:59.280
He doesn't strike me as he's a
motorcycle racer. He worked in the hotel
494
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.760
industry at the time, and he
doesn't strike me as someone who would be
495
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:08.719
easily scared. Well if his racing
motorcycles is either insane or very very very
496
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:20.519
good nerves very good nervous type.
Exactly, let's continue. Could you describe
497
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.320
thoroughly exactly what the object looked like
at the stage? Yes, it was
498
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.599
well, so to use a description
which has been used before, it's the
499
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.880
same as one source of punk on
top of the other. I've had a
500
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.280
dome affair on the top of it, which would have the object would have
501
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.199
been about twenty five thirty feet across. This is at its widest point.
502
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.400
The dome on the top or cabin
whichever you like to call it, Bryant,
503
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.920
we'll call it a cabin. It
would have been about the base of
504
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.880
it would have been about a third
the width of the object would have been
505
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.519
about seven or eightfully high, I
think. And then on the top of
506
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.079
his cabin there was a flat spot
eight inches two feet across. It sort
507
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:06.280
of tapered up from the from the
main hull of the thing. And then
508
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.960
on this flat section on the top, there was sort of a little bubble
509
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:14.599
about a foot across those base about
a foot high or something. Was this
510
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.719
raised portion on the disc the same
color as the disc itself. Now it
511
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.320
wasn't at the top of the disc
was a very very bright polish metal,
512
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.440
the same as chromium. Now the
bottom of the disc was Now the top
513
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.960
and the bottom were divided by what
appeared if you could imagine a metal band
514
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:39.599
about four or six inches wide,
which quite quite a dark gray disappeared to
515
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.800
go right around the object, and
it was that was to the ground.
516
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.440
It was vertical if you're following,
if you understand the description. So it
517
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.960
had a flat edge, which,
yeah, it had a flat edge.
518
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.199
Now, the base of the thing
was either a brown or or a black,
519
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.880
a very dark brown or a very
dark gray or black, and protruding
520
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:06.880
from the bottom of the thing there
was there was well, it was the
521
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:12.360
same diameter as the cabin, directly
below the cabin, and it was about
522
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:20.760
eight inches two feet from the hole
at the bottom. Do you think the
523
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.760
bottom of the object was brown or
reflecting the ground. No, it was
524
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.199
definitely the color of the thing because
it was grass around there. It was
525
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.360
green grass. Yeah, the bottom
didn't appear to have any reflective quality or
526
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.400
this this thing protruding from the bottom
of it. It was a very very
527
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.280
dark and definite black that stood out
from the rest of the thing. Now
528
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.119
the cabin of the thing, it
was also silver, if you could imagine.
529
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.800
The top section of the saucer from
the widest point was chrome. And
530
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.559
they'd only buffed the actual hull itself
and not buffed the cabin. This is
531
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.440
the appearance of it. The little
bubble on the top of the dome.
532
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.599
Was this the same color as the
dome, Yeah, it was. And
533
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.880
none of the object appeared to be
transparent to There's no transparency whatsoever. And
534
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.480
on the hull itself. This is
on the brightly polished part of the hull.
535
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.000
On the right hand side, there
was the start of what I'd say
536
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.559
it would be some sort of insignia
that appeared to be painted into the hole,
537
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.039
but I could only see the beginning
of it because of the curvature of
538
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.199
the hull. I couldn't make out
what it was, or I couldn't reproduce
539
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.239
it. Did The object remained completely
steady during the time that you watched it.
540
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.239
Ordered it isolated slightly. Now it
just stayed there. There's no rock
541
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:43.079
steady, there's no movement whatsoever,
and no noise anyway. After I took
542
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.320
off on the bike, or I
think I was, to get away from
543
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.360
the thing, and then when I
went away from it all the panic soon
544
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.519
to subside and I started thinking rascially
again. And at this stage I was
545
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.719
doing well over one hundred mile.
My bike's capable of just one hundred and
546
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:59.440
thirty mile, and it was doing
this at this stage. Now I heard
547
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:04.960
a hum which I hadn't heard from
the thing before. And considering how I
548
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.519
was doing well over one hundred mile
hour with a crash at an engine noise,
549
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.079
exhaust noise plus the windown throw my
crash at one hundred and thirty mile
550
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.480
one hundred and twenty mile hours every
I was doing at the time, it
551
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.239
must have been quite loud for me
to hear it. So I straight away
552
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.119
knew what it was. Don't ask
me how, And I just knew what
553
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.039
it was because I never heard of
hummut this before. And I had a
554
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.639
quick look around and sure enough it
was. It was airborne. Now it
555
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.400
was about two hundred feet away from
me to my left, about one hundred
556
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:36.159
foot off the ground, and it
was following following me. When I say
557
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.519
following me, as I got around
a corner, it had come around with
558
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.079
me. It was keeping the same
distantrument regardless of how fast or how slow
559
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.719
I went, and as I followed
the road. At this stage it was
560
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.079
a pinkish color. The whole craft
soon to be surrounded by some sort of
561
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.480
a pinkish film. Although I could
see it clearly, it had a pinkish
562
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.119
appearance about it to so the air
was hot around it or something like this.
563
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.119
It was the air around the pinkish
too, or just the object.
564
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.960
Well, at first I thought it
was the object that after looking out for
565
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.159
a while, I think it was
actually away from the object. It could
566
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.199
have just been the surround the air
that surrounded the object itself, which had
567
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.119
this color too. Was it raining
at the stage of the sighting or was
568
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.559
it still clear now? The sun
was still out was reflecting off the object,
569
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.679
so you could see this pink glow
around the object and also the sun
570
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:30.119
reflecting from it off of the top
the top part of it. How far
571
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.800
away from it it was the object
of the stage while whilst it was in
572
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.280
flight, it kept the exact same
distance all the time. I'd say,
573
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.079
well, I'm a reasonably good judge
of distance. I had no training,
574
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.519
you know, I'm reasonably good judge
from racing bikes, mainly from breaking for
575
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.039
corns and things. And I'd say
that would have kept a constant two hundred
576
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.599
feet from me in a straight line
and about one hundred feet off the ground.
577
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.800
But this fairy because of the drone, was this flat turrone there or
578
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.239
hilly? It's reasonably flat that you
get the usual ups and the answer that
579
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.559
you were in any compy area.
Did the object at this stage have exactly
580
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:07.079
the same look as it did when
it was on the ground starring the color?
581
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:13.760
Ye is that the lower portion was
still recruiting from the bottom of the
582
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.119
dish. Yet the basic is still
there, and it was still yet playing.
583
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.480
Anyway, I realized that the thing
was quite obviously following me, and
584
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.559
that a god was going as fast
as it was possible for me to go,
585
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.559
and I couldn't get away from it, so I started slowing. Then
586
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.039
I'm looking for somewhere to go,
like a three or hid under a rabbit
587
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.119
barre to dive into, or a
house or something. Now and eventually stopped
588
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.039
and the objects stopped, with me
still keeping the same distance away from him.
589
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.760
I less resigned myself to the fact
that it was after me and it's
590
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.599
nothing I could do to get away
from him, and so I just sort
591
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.639
of sat on the bike the matter
still taking over, stopped with arms started
592
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.400
and watched it to see what it
was going to do. You see,
593
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.760
I expected it to come back,
of course, that instead of coming back,
594
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.519
it sort of sat there for about
about thirty seconds or say, with
595
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.039
nothing happening, and it began to
change color. It was a gradual change
596
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:06.320
from a pink and it got to
a very very bright and deep red.
597
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.239
It finished up. It went right
through the whole red spectrum, and so
598
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.400
it was quite hard to look at
that. I hurt the eyes to look
599
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.239
at this. It was so bright. And then it tilted at its base,
600
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.760
actually it tilted at the top of
the disc away from it about a
601
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.760
forty five degree angle, so I
could see the base. And the funny
602
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.599
part was, I thought this thing
was so bright. The black area in
603
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.960
the bottom of it remained black all
the time. It stood out very distinctly,
604
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.480
you know, And then all of
a sudden, without any noise whatsoever.
605
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.159
I could still hear the hum at
this stage, but when it stopped,
606
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:37.800
it appeared to just about go away, because as we slowed down together
607
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.000
and the hums seem to remain constantly. Now I was slowing down, and
608
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.440
so I presume that the faster the
things going louder at hunts. This is
609
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.760
only most surmisings, of course.
But the tilted the base away from me
610
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.239
after it reached his very bright red
and all of a sudden it excited.
611
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:58.599
I had an absolutely fantastic ray for
it left at a fantastic spence. It
612
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.119
didn't accelerate. It was one minute
it was stopped, and the next minute
613
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.760
it was doing something like two or
three thousand miles an house away from me
614
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.119
and up at about a forty five
degree angle, and there was still no
615
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.679
noise whatsoever. The harms stopped as
soon as the thing started moving, and
616
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.960
it just went, but there was
no acceleration like you'd expected a plane or
617
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.920
something. It starts from norton as
staring accelerated. It was top speed.
618
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.679
This one minute this thing was stopped, the next thing it was doing two
619
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.400
or three thousand miles. And yeah, this is only a guess because I'm
620
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.960
no expert on splue, far from
it, but it was going way faster
621
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.800
than planes I've seen. We should
break on the sound barrier, and there
622
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.679
was still no noise. There's no
sonic bloom, there was round nothing this
623
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.199
banished. If it hadn't gone a
traction plast I would have just thought it
624
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.559
disappeared. I could make it out
that it went up, but only just
625
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.960
it happened so fast. At this
stage, just before it left you,
626
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:51.119
was the bottom still a brownish color
as it was on the ground. The
627
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.960
whole thing was bright red, barring
the section in the part at the bottom
628
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.960
itself. This is the thing it
was protruding from the bottom of it.
629
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.760
This was still black. The rest
of the thing that are very very protrad
630
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.599
Casting your mind back to when you
were driving along prior to stopping near the
631
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.360
object, was there any noise at
that stage associated with it? None that
632
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.920
I can remember. There could have
possibly burn at the time, but with
633
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.239
a bright light or I wasn't really
thinking about noise to be cautious and laser
634
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.519
when the object was in flight.
Did you ever exhibit the same characteristic as
635
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:28.480
earlier in the sighting and shone a
bright light anywhere around now there was starring
636
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.039
that the light coming from the OPEC, which was, as I said,
637
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.559
a reddish color. There was no
other light whatsoever, nothing like what hit
638
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:40.079
means, whilst you were traveling along
the road you left the object. Did
639
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.920
you pass any cars or did any
cars pass you going in the opposite direction.
640
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:46.440
Yeah, A couple of cars came
the other way, and I waved
641
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.639
like mad and pointed it was the
thing. This is after the objects reappeared.
642
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:53.119
Before it reappeared, I wasn't worrying
about stopping anybody. But when it
643
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.039
reappeared, I waved like mad and
all sorts of things, and I got
644
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.519
some funny looks, and that's about
all I got. Nobody stopped and nobody
645
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.480
appeared to the Okay, what do
you think the total time duration of the
646
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.039
sighting was from the first moment that
you saw it until it finally left.
647
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.800
This is hard to say, but
I'd say roughly about five minutes. There
648
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.320
could have been three minutes, and
it could have been ten minutes. You
649
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.079
know, I wasn't looking at any
watches. Have you reported this to the
650
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.039
Air Force or any investigative bodies such
as the local police. I didn't report
651
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.639
it to anybody else righting to ridicule
it, quite honestly and just sort of
652
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.840
further laugh at it. It was
only through a very man about means that
653
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.639
I reported to Degnos when you first
stopped and observed the object closely, wouldn't
654
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.960
it have been a more normal reaction? This was some sort of Air Force
655
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.840
secret weapon and these were Air Force
been dressed up in a type of space
656
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.239
suit. Sorry, but the Air
Force has got nothing of books like that
657
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.679
or did with that this face.
It made no noise, It was hovering
658
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:57.079
off the ground and I've never seen
anything shape like that before. Now it
659
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.320
didn't come from here. You were
positive when you first saw the object.
660
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.840
As soon as I saw, I
said, well there's a flying source,
661
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.679
and now you know they exist.
I'd sort of been a bit skeptical before
662
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.119
and hadn't taken any notice of it. But after seeing his sickna exist?
663
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:15.400
Or had you ever read anything previous
to the sighting onlying sources or burying a
664
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.840
couple of newspaper headlines in city when
they had the source and the things I
665
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.880
think with somewhere around Liverpool. Now
I haven't taken any interesting I've just sort
666
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.360
of I haven't haven't laughed at them
that I haven't taken any active interest in
667
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:30.719
and WHATSOV read no books or anything
prior to this. I know. We
668
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.079
sort of let that play for a
fair while. But we will get this,
669
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.079
Yeah, we will, We will
get all listened to one episode,
670
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:42.119
so I liked how he described that
at first, but it was flying around
671
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.920
near him, was a sort of
the air around the object went kind of
672
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.559
a pink color. That's pretty interesting. I think there have been a few
673
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:57.519
cases sum that sounds to me like
the air was ionized or something like that.
674
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.159
You know, yeah, it could
very well be affected by a very
675
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:08.159
high electively charged electronic or electric field
around the object. You know, then
676
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:14.679
that would describe a changing color.
And there are other people that have said
677
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.920
things like that, like at the
Westall case when Paul Smith said that the
678
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.679
thing he saw changed its color,
it went through different colors, and it
679
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:30.559
was like it's in city, or
it's it's it's density changed, he thought,
680
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.920
because it went through trees without affecting
the trees at all, but it
681
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.639
had it could change its density.
Now, it's interesting. He says that
682
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:45.679
he heard this humming noise while he
was riding the bike but he turned around.
683
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.400
He's going over a hundred miles an
hour to look at the thing.
684
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.199
That's a bit risky, you know. He must have been a very experienced
685
00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:00.440
motorcycle racing rider to be able to
turn at one hundred miles an hour and
686
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:06.400
not come off. Yes, I'm
badly glad he didn't come off, you
687
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:12.639
know. But he's seen this,
Yeah, he's he said, it's gone
688
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.639
an intense red color the whole object
except for this black ring at the bottom
689
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:22.440
of it. That for a for
a physicist, that could be very interesting
690
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:30.719
information for any scientists listening to the
show. Any physicists with an interest in
691
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:36.000
the subject. They won't be talking
to their friends about it, but they
692
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.159
may have an interest in this.
This kind of eyewitness description can give us
693
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.519
a lot of clues, I reckon
a lot of clues about the physical reality
694
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.760
of these things. Absolutely, it's
a very very good report of what happened.
695
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.400
Here is Ron's actual drawing. This
has not been seen, if at
696
00:51:53.400 --> 00:52:00.519
all, many many so this is
that's his actual actual picture of what he
697
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.119
saw. And he can see that
monogram that he said was just out of
698
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.519
sight for him. Yeah. Yeah, that all very much matches up to
699
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.960
what he actually said, and when
it was over him, when it was
700
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.599
flying above him, this is what
he this is what he saw looking up
701
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.719
at it from below. Yeah,
right that other side of that other sit
702
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.920
that first one there you he's got
that band around the middle and it's as
703
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.760
a saucer on top of the other
slaw soer and the black thing is the
704
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.519
thing at the bottom, the same
size as the kind of dome bit on
705
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:36.760
top. It's really very very interesting
and it's very light, very similar to
706
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.800
the thing described by the Westall witnesses. Yes, yes, I haven't seen
707
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:45.679
this sketch before. No, this
is a really good sketch. It's an
708
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:52.280
amazing illustration, a great sketch.
And yeah, and his signature when he
709
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.400
signed off on his pro forma that
he'd done for you forth, that's that's
710
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.400
his signature. So really amazing.
And I want this out to be the
711
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:09.559
approximate location of where it occurred,
ten miles outside of Aubury, as near
712
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:15.599
as I can find it. This
is the area where he had the encounter,
713
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:20.920
just so people get a bit of
an idea on what the highway actually
714
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.880
actually looks like. Well, like
you said, it was pretty flat,
715
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.119
but just the usual up, it's
ups and downs. Did you get as
716
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.119
you go across the country, Yeah, exactly, so again again a very
717
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.760
good description of the area. Yeah, yeah, really fantastic. So thank
718
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.119
you very much George for joining me
on this episode. And I hope that
719
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.000
everybody's found it really intriguing as much
as you and I have. It's a
720
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.760
very good case, very very good
case, and a very good description.
721
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.920
Yeah, it's been fun doing it, Ben, it's been good. Thank
722
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.800
you so much. And we will
get together again at some point and perhaps
723
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.360
discuss another case down the track.
So it's really good, and yeah,
724
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:04.880
we really do hope that you enjoyed
that show. Fascinating place. By all
725
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.079
means try and find some more information
on it, but this really is the
726
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.559
probably the most detailed that you'll ever
find that on this particular very intriguing case
727
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.000
here on Unexplained philomen of Australia.
So until next week, thank you so
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much for joining us.