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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, thinkers of all ages, this is what the Lame Brain Podcast is about.
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I've got strange questions, and people should have answers for them.
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And this guy, David Brandon, actually has some decent, fun, entertaining answers.
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They are alternative thinking theory answers.
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As a matter of fact, Mr.
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Brandon is a science fiction writer, and you'll hear in his voice the conviction of said ideas.
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There again, the Lame Brain Podcast is all about alternative thinking theories and different and strange ways of thinking.
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Because are they really strange?
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You tell me.
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They're probably only strange to you because you've not thought of them yourself or have dismissed them entirely under whatever prejudices.
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So listen up as this one gets very interesting.
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This is the Lame Brain Podcast, and I've got questions.
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Alright, so David Brandon, I thank you for joining me today.
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Um, I know we're limited on time, so I'm gonna try to funnel all my questions the best I can into at least a certain quadrant of what I want to talk about because uh, as we've discussed, you come across as a very knowledgeable person.
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You're a flight instructor, an airline pilot, and also a science fiction author.
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So, what what I'd like to do is uh just ask you a couple of questions.
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Let's just let's let me preface this thing by saying this is the Lane Brain Podcast, and I've got questions.
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So I've got an interesting view for you, and thank you in advance for playing along.
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Yeah, and I'd like to make one correction there, and that is I was I never flew an I never was not I'm a commercial pilot, but never flew an airline.
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I many of my students have.
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Uh I focused my career on teaching.
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I love teaching.
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Okay.
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And uh that's that's what I did.
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I owned a flying school, and uh I I was a flight instructor for many years.
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Okay, so you've had a lot of time with planes, a lot of time in the air.
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What what type of what type of plane do you typically train on?
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Or yeah, yeah, we we trained on um uh on Cessna's primarily.
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Primarily Cessnas.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so how much how much do you know about jet propulsion and things like that?
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I know uh I know what I need to know um uh as a commercial pilot, but I have never flown a jet propelled uh airliner.
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I have flown the one uh one I I've flown that uh was a smaller uh military trainer.
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I flew a couple times.
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But other than that, uh uh uh my my knowledge, intimate knowledge of jet propulsion is not uh is not huge.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um well let me start with uh so your intimate knowledge of the jets aren't that isn't that familiar.
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I was gonna ask you a couple questions regarding jet propulsion.
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You might you might be able to just ask them and I'll I'll I'll see what I know and I'll tell you.
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Most generally the commercial airliners are what 777s, a three four three A340s?
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Well, uh actually the 737 is probably the most uh I I would guess that that one is the most used.
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They've been making it a long time, and uh, and actually they they keep revising it.
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And as we know, as we know, that the the last revision didn't turn out too well.
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So uh but but the the they're continuing to to uh to make it and that and that is uh probably the most prevalent uh airliner there is out there.
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I I could be wrong, but it'd be pretty, if not, it'd be very close to the most used.
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Do the uh the do the controls um pretty much just you'd be able to jump from a Cessna and then jump into a giant jet liner and be able to figure it out, or is it a different well?
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I'll tell you I'll tell you a story about one of my students.
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His last flight, he got hired by an airliner, by an airlines, I should say, and his last flight was uh teaching a student in a Cessna 150, which is a small two-seater airplane.
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Okay, his very next flight was a 737.
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So the answer is yes, they're pretty much the same except for size and the complexity.
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Okay, so the complexity is all the gauges and the switches and yeah, the all the all the all the systems that are that are uh on the aircraft, uh, from hydraulics to electrics and and uh and the power plant, the the engine, all all of the systems and how those systems are monitored uh during flight and and uh maintained.
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That that's the difference, really.
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Okay.
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Uh where a small small airplane like that, uh it's it's a little more complex to get in your into your car, but not a lot.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Um, let me ask you something regarding the the engines.
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So in your Cessna, you've got piston-driven engines, is that correct?
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Yes, yeah.
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So they're they're using fuel.
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You have a fuel tank in on the plane somewhere that's obviously pumping fuel.
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You only have so much fuel in the wings.
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Okay, so they're in the wings, in the wings, and in the Cessna, the fuel is is is gravity fed.
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Okay, all right.
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So, how much fuel are you putting into the wings of the plane?
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Oh, uh depending upon which airplane it is, but uh, I don't know, anywhere's in the in the 20 to 40 gallon range.
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Okay, 20 to 40 gallons.
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All right, so the size by comparison, and this is kind of a sketchy area, I don't know if you're familiar with it or not, but they tell us that in the wings of the A340s or the 747s or whatever, they carry tens of thousands of gallons of fuel.
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Is do you believe that to be possible or is that yeah, yeah, I I uh I believe that to be possible.
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Uh, I'm not exactly sure how much a 777 would carry uh yeah on board, but uh uh I would say that that is that is possible.
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You gotta remember, uh the the higher the airplane flies, the less fuel it uses.
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Okay.
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So um, and of course, the wings and the and even a part in those aircraft, even a portion of the belly would would hold the fuel on some of those airplanes.
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Okay so like be maybe joining between the wings.
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And you can actually, if you take a stand back and take a look, you can actually on some of the aircraft you can actually see that.
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But uh uh uh I I'd have to take a look at this what the official specs are on say a 777.
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I don't know what they are, and I don't know what the official specs is on the amount of gallons or pounds.
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When you get to that size, it's not measured in gallons any longer, it's measured in pounds of fuel.
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So uh the only reason I asked is because I I feel like that is a misconception.
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The the amount of fuel that goes into these thin, relatively thin wings, uh the the fuel belly, if you will, the uh the the tanks seem like they wouldn't be able, I mean the wings are probably what two and a half feet tall, three feet tall.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe a bit more than that, but yeah, they are relatively thin.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, um I look at I look at photos, and I can't bring any up here because I'm not savvy in that yet, but uh look at the photos of like a tall uh refinery size tank of 10,000 gallons, and it's enormous, it's probably seven, eight stories high and you know, as wide as 50 yards.
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And the question has always been like, would how is that fuel inside that huge container all contained inside those wings?
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Well, it it one of those containers would would hold fuel for a lot of a lot of airplanes, not just one.
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Sure.
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So they would just take a certain amount out and uh and uh uh and and and put it into each airplane.
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Uh also the reason it's they are measured in pounds in an airliner is because temperature will affect the density of the fuel.
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So therefore, when when the aircraft is is flying, uh if the density of the fuel is less, then they require, of course, more fuel fuel.
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Um uh if the density of the fuel is more, which is what would happen at altitude because it gets so cold up there that would can the the density of the fuel would uh would increase and therefore they need less fuel.
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Okay.
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All right, well, that makes sense.
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Uh so uh one other uh thing I might add too is when they get to 20,000 feet or for we'll say 40,000 feet in the 777, uh the air is so thin as well.
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And because the air is thinner, again, it's a fuel air mixture that goes in.
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They require less fuel because there is less uh the the um the they require less fuel because there is less air going in as well.
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And of course, eventually they get to an altitude where they can no longer sustain flight.
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Uh at four at 50 to 45,000, I think probably is somewhere in the range, the maximum range for those airplanes.
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Okay.
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Um uh but but on the other hand, I'm getting into theory of flight here and I can't quit.
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Fine, go ahead.
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On the other hand, you also have to remember that at that altitude the air is so thin, the drag on the airplane is so much less as well.
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Okay, so you got less drag, of course, you got less air going in, but you also have less drag on the airplane.
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So they can maintain because that drag is so much less, they can maintain speeds that are you know just under or not too far under the speed of sound.
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Really that high.
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With with yeah, with relatively relatively uh small usage of fuel compared to uh what they would use at uh at 10,000 feet.
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So that's why the the airlines like to make sure that the aircraft can get up as high as they can as soon as they can, so as to cut back into fuel consumption.
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Okay.
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Well, going back to my original question of do you think as much fuel is squeezed into those those wings as possible?
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Do you do you believe that the the the jet will use the fuel to take off, get itself up to that high altitude, and then switch over to an alternative energy source like the atmospheric pressure?
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And the engines don't necessarily shut off, but does it does it does it drive the turbines versus using the fuel?
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No, uh it's uh if there were some I and I know where you're going with us here, and uh and I could uh and I could uh tell you a story about the space space space shuttle.
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But anyway, the um the no because the fuel consumption does drop way back when they get to altitude for the speed that they have.
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Okay.
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Okay, I mean, because the because the air is so much thinner, they're not using as much fuel, and the air is less dense, uh, or because it's thinner and less dense, uh, they don't have the drag.
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So uh so whether whether there's something else that takes over at that altitude, if there were, I would know about it.
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Oh, really?
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because uh I have um, you know, it's uh basically a commercial pilot.
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You can fly when you're done with the course, you can fly an airliner or you can fly a bush pilot, or you can teach, but you need the commercial pilot's license to teach.
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Okay, and you you need it for everything that you would make money doing.
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Okay.
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Okay, so it's the same course regardless.
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Gotcha.
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Um so I don't know about any other uh energy sources that are available up there.
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And you were gonna mention something about uh a shuttle.
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Yeah.
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I I'm I I'm really interested in anti-gravity.
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Okay.
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Okay, I I don't know what you have heard or know about it, but uh there is a uh anti-gravity uh well it is exactly what it says.
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Uh the um the uh anti-gravity producers, and it's that's in my book too.
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We never mention uh uh in fact I've written a book uh called The Rings of Saturn, Enemy Within.
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And I and I talk about it in the it's it's a novel, but it's a it's a novel that that presents this information that we're giving today in novel form rather than just laying it out uh as facts.
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And uh so the anti-gravity uh creates the the generators will produce a bubble of of uh of gravity, say for example, above the airplane, or above the the not necessarily the airplane, but above the the the craft or the ship that is that has got it on.
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And uh and therefore it's like reverse.
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So the gravity, you're you're being the gravity is pulling upwards rather than downward, like the normal gravity.
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So you actually fall up into the bubble.
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Okay.
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Use it for propulsion, same thing.
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The the the you'd fall into the into the bubble and the bubble always stays ahead of you.
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That's what that's what it is thought that uh the type of propulsion that a lot of uh UFO UAPs use.
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Right.
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That was gonna be one of my questions.
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Do you you believe we have that technology though, don't you?
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I I believe that we have it now and it's not being released.
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Yes.
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Now I I talked about the space shuttle.
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Um it is thought, it is thought by some people that the space shuttle actually had that on to a certain extent, or it would never have made it into space, something that large.
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Uh that is that is the conspiracy theory thinking of that.
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And one day one day I was sitting in my office, and this uh fellow that I knew, he was a former astronaut.
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Uh he flew on a space shuttle.
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He had spent a couple weeks on it.
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And uh he walked into my office and we started up a conversation, like we'd done many times.
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And uh I said to him, um, what do you know about anti-gravity?
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Well, he got mad.
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Uh, I mean, his anger towards me for asking that question was much what I felt was much greater, much greater than was really necessary.
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Yes, I completely unnecessary.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh he he called the people that believed in that the conspiracy theorists, and well, I guess they are, but and he says it's a cult.
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He says it's a cult.
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Of course, of course.
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And uh I felt, you know, if he uh Shakespeare, what did Shakespeare say?
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Uh youth protest too much.
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Uh uh, which made me think that maybe that's true.
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Yeah, they did have anti-gravity on the space shuttle.
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Um I was gonna say, I think a lot of people stick to their story, stick to the story they're stole they're told, and also stick to the story.
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Yeah, that they're told and it's learned and it's taught, and it's just well, that's the way it is.
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Yes, that's right.
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Yeah, that's the way I learned it, and you're crazy.
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You are a crazy conspiracy theorist, which is a phrase, by the way, that I despise, I cannot stand.
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I like to use the term alternative thinking.
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Yes, yes.
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I that's the term that I like to use, alternative thinking.
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Yeah.
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But no, I think uh going back to space shuttles and the moon landing and all that stuff, I believe that was a farce.
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I believe back in when we allegedly landed on the moon, I think that was all TV driven.
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I think the communication wasn't there, it wasn't we weren't able to call somebody on the phone that was up on the moon communicating with us.
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I don't think any of that was real.
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I I I I disagree with you on that.
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Okay.
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I I um I believe that it actually happened.
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Okay, but I also believe that there was there was uh there was uh uh what should I say, uh sound stage or sets that would fill that would fill in every once in a while.
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I remember I'm all I'm old enough that I remember sitting and watching it on TV, on TV.
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And at the time, I was I was excited, you know, because because that's what I love.
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I may mean uh I in a in a future lifetime I want to be on a starship.
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Oh, for sure.
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I don't know a lot of people like that, yeah.
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So uh yeah, I was sitting there at the age of I can't remember how old it is, 13 or uh 14, somebody around there, and uh and I was watching it, and then they said, Okay, the everybody, the this astronauts have all gone to bed now, and uh we're just gonna leave the the camera going, looking at the the landing module.
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And when they did that, the whole picture to me felt different.
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How so?
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Uh it was clearer, more clear.
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It seemed to be more clear, it seemed to be, it just felt different.
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The whole picture felt different.
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And I remember thinking about that at the time, but I never never could never think of of uh uh of why it would be.
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But now I know why it would be is because they switched from the camera on the moon to the camera on the sound stage.
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Okay.
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Or whatever it was.
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Yeah.
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Uh, because they did not want to use have a camera continuously going on the moon when no one was there to the the the staff, you know, everybody needed to went went home, whatever, most of them went home, likely the mission control, you know, and come back the next morning.
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Uh so they didn't want the camera just uh just sitting there all night long just in case it picked up some anomalies.
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Oh so they needed the soundstage, they needed that to switch back and forth from and to um uh to make sure that the the anomalies were not picked up.
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Do you think they were expecting anomalies up there?
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Is that one of the reasons why they went up?
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Obviously for exploration of a different surface and whatnot, but do you think they were expecting to see things flighting flying by or yeah?
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I think so.
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Okay.
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I think so.
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I think that that's what they were expecting that they could pick up, and they didn't they wanted to do everything.
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Uh there was a uh there was a delay, of course, on what we got as to when the feed came in.
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It it wasn't direct, it was always a delay in there.
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Uh so uh yeah, I think that they were totally expecting it.
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Okay, and and even the astronauts themselves use code words like um, yes, there is a Santa Claus.
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Things like that, they would say.
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Uh to imply to the the people in the know that they have encountered something else up there.
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Yeah, okay.
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That's correct, that's correct.
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:50.079
Uh now it was I I did hear one, and I and I know whether it supposedly come from one of the astronauts.
00:20:50.160 --> 00:21:08.400
I don't remember which astronaut it was, but uh the uh when they landed in the crater there, um and they looked up on the rim of the crater, uh there was there was uh reptilians and their ships looking down at them.
00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:09.279
Really?
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:10.400
Yeah, that's right.
00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.799
And where did you hear this from?
00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:26.880
Uh I'm trying to think where it sometimes I hear things and I I can't track it back, but uh I do believe that uh and this is something uh uh I heard years and years ago.
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.640
I think back in the Art Bell show.
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:30.559
You remember uh remember that show?
00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:32.480
And the name sounds familiar, it does.
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:33.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:44.799
It was uh before we had the the internet to the extent that we have today, Art Bell was a uh um midnight, midnight at the oasis, whatever in the middle of the desert.
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:50.559
You'd run this uh this program, and and this was the type of topics he would talk about.
00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:58.480
And uh the internet was really early, so I would just they did have it on there, but I'd have to download it uh and then listen to it.
00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:13.599
And um, so So uh I believe that that came from him from one of his shows, if I'm not mistaken, and it was supposedly given to him or given to this guest um um from one of the astronauts.
00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.000
But that's all I know about it, and I can't prove that it's right or wrong.
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:18.640
Sure.
00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.599
Let's say there's always speculation until there's actual video proof or video evidence.
00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:32.880
That's right, yes, and maybe and maybe with disclosure ads that's coming, uh that idiot that video evidence may show up.
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.079
You never know.
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:48.720
I was gonna say, speaking on video evidence and pushing back a little bit on the moon landing thing, do you find it funny that NASA has now not been able to locate all their original footage and it got deleted or it got burned or whatever?
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.079
Of course, of course, there was too many anomalies in it.
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:58.400
So you think the anomalies were the things that might have been in space or on the moon that's right.
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:03.279
They could they're not afraid or they're afraid to disclose to the American people.
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:05.200
That's right, that's right.
00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:06.559
Yeah, okay.
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.400
All right, that makes sense uh in one aspect, sure.
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.359
Um, so what do you what do you believe is on the moon?
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.759
I've heard different stories, I've seen videos.
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:22.240
I don't know what's legit on the internet of like flashing lights on the darker side half of the moon.
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.720
Like we have space stations up on the other side of the moon.
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:26.000
Do you have any thought on that?
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:35.759
Yes, I believe that we do have uh uh the secret space program has has a base on the on the dark side or no on the on the back side of the moon.
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:42.000
We won't call it the dark because it's uh it's not really dark, it's just on the side that's facing away from Earth.
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.880
And uh that uh uh the there there are there are bases up there for sure.
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.000
That's interesting.
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.279
And and my book and my book gets into that as well.
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:53.920
Okay.
00:23:54.559 --> 00:24:06.880
Well, I was gonna I'm gonna get to your book here in a little bit, but I've got other questions that might curtail ourselves to your uh expertise uh in in flight and travel and things like that.
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.240
So um let me check here real quick.
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:17.759
Um not totally related to flight, but a little bit more on the alternative thinking theory.
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:29.359
Are you you have any thoughts or any idea about chemtrails, aka the exhaust trails that follow death across the sky that crisscross and then turn into wispy clouds?
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.359
Do you have any idea what that might be?
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:35.519
They're spraying something, they're spraying something in the atmosphere.
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:47.839
Uh now uh I remember back in the in the early 2000s, uh, at least in the area that I live in anyway, it was far worse than it is now.
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:49.680
Far worse, yes.
00:24:49.920 --> 00:25:02.319
Yeah, it it was like it would uh a um high pressure system would come through and the sky would all clear up, and then by by early afternoon it was all full of chemtrails.
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:03.119
Okay.
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.839
Uh so uh and uh and I could see them.
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:08.960
I could see them.
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:16.319
Uh I I live north of Lake Lake uh Lake Erie on the north side of Lake Erie and the Canadian side.
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.200
And uh that's where I had my flying school.
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:30.960
And I would look south over the lake, and I could see them actually taking off on that side, probably right Patterson, but I'm not sure.
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:38.000
You could you could see them climbing out, and and as soon as it wasn't long that they were off the ground that they were starting to release the the the chemtrails.
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.519
That was back in those days.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.359
I don't see that anymore.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.359
You don't not not from that region, or not you're not taken into perspective at all.
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:54.000
Uh in this region, no, I don't see anything anything close to what it was during that time period.
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.160
Now go ahead.
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:56.640
Sorry.
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.799
I was just gonna say that that's interesting because it I feel like it's per region.
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:12.960
I can go out, I haven't been noticing as much anymore, but I live in uh the northern part of Ohio, so I'll go out and look out, look out in the sky, and then by 10 o'clock, you'll start to see the trails.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:19.519
You'll start to see them zipping across the sky, just doing their X's, and then it just turns into this wispy white coverage.
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.319
And they're still doing they're still doing that.
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.640
They're still doing that, they're still doing that.
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:30.640
Okay, uh trip down to southern Ohio, and I didn't see a plane for the days we were down there.
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.799
I didn't see any type of stream cloud coverage, anything.
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.039
So I don't know what it is per region.
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.160
It could be it could be something per region, yeah.
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:52.000
I up here we still do get them, but uh the odd day, but it nothing, nothing to what it was for that we got in the in the early 2000s.
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.519
Um it was pretty bad back then.
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:01.839
Were you affected a couple weeks ago by the uh the smoke that was going on from the fires in Canada?
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.599
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:11.039
We had some uh we had it was uh in fact we were down to I think three miles visibility.
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:18.400
Uh like I I sold the flying school and it's operated by uh it's still in operation, the same flying school.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:26.960
And uh I went out and talked to the new the owner, and uh he said that yeah, they were down to three miles visibility.
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.440
Uh amazing with the smoke.
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:36.400
They couldn't fly, it was just what it was was uh they could you couldn't train on that in that weather uh to any great extent.
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.599
Interesting.
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.200
Um what do you think the chemicals are that they're spraying?
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.359
I know there's aluminum, there's like heavy metals and barium.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:54.079
What's what's the purpose other than try to climate control, or is it to like dump chemicals into our body?
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:55.599
What do you think of it?
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.599
I don't know.
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:07.359
And I've studied this and I've followed the the trails for a long time, and basically I don't know uh exactly what the purpose is.
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:13.680
Uh we do know that there's what there some of the stuff that there's in there, um uh mercury, barium.
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.279
Uh I forget what else you say anyway.
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.680
Uh yeah, aluminum, heavy metals, yeah.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:22.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:36.640
Um we do know that because there's been samples taken after after a a real uh you know, after getting a lot of them, and you get a rain, and then there have been people out taking samples of the rainwater, right?
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.960
And that's what they're picking up.
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:48.400
Uh I don't know uh what um I did see on Gaia Gaia TV.
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.000
I don't know if you've ever uh watched that uh Gaia TV, have you?
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:53.839
Who's what's his name?
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:55.839
Uh uh Gaia TV.
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:56.640
Oh Gaia.
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:58.480
Oh, yeah, Gaia.
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.160
You gotta subscribe to it.
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.920
I haven't done that yet.
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.400
Okay, yeah, that's that's uh that's a lot of yeah, go back.
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.400
There's a lot of good stuff on there.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:17.519
Uh there was uh they were interviewing uh a fellow by the name of Richard Dodey, who was who is uh uh military uh military spook.
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.200
I forgot what the term is that they call it the those fellows.
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:36.079
And uh his job was to um was to uh um smooth over uh uh uh the uh UFO and and and other uh incidences that would happen.
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.640
That was that was his job.
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.519
But now he's releasing the information that he had, that he had.
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:52.240
Uh well, supposedly, although once you're a spook, you're always a spook, so you don't you don't know to what degree he's actually telling the truth.
00:29:52.559 --> 00:30:07.839
But uh he was asked a question about the chemtrails, and he said uh it was used, they would put it in the atmosphere so they could track UFOs coming in that were using a coking device.
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:09.680
That was what he said.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:10.559
Really?
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.359
Uh uh, but I feel that they don't do anything with just maybe that was one of the reasons.
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.319
Okay, right.
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.759
Uh uh, because they don't seem to do anything.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.400
The the dark side doesn't seem to do anything without at least several reasons for doing it.
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.119
Oh, sure.
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:42.720
It's like a bill going into Congress that's got this much importance to it, then all this back end bullshit that you gotta just Gaia, there's a lot of good stuff there.
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.960
Uh the the best one, and I'm trying to think of the name of the program, and it just just escapes my mind right now.
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.079
Um gosh.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:58.079
I I can't remember which one it is, but there's one there that talks about mostly about aliens and UFOs.
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:58.880
Okay.
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.640
Uh I can't remember what it's called right now.
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.480
Uh but anyway, I haven't yeah, I haven't listened to it for a while.
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:18.880
I uh but I'll go what I do is I kind of sign out of it, and then after six months, I'll go back in by a month and go back in and get all caught up on what I missed, and then just leave it to go again.
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.799
Because that's really the only thing that I I watch to any great extent on Gaia.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319
I watch a few other things, but that's the most one.
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.279
Um so uh okay.
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.960
For those who don't know, Gaia is a what is it?
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.079
What would you what would you call it?
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:50.880
A truth-based docuseries or educational the Gaia, the Gaia, the Gaia TV uh I believe has a lot of a lot of uh uh CIA influences, that type of thing in there.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.359
Um I believe it does.
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.839
So they are releasing what the establishment wants released.
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:14.799
Oh but they're they're releasing a lot of good stuff because this the establishment, uh at least a section of it, anyways, a part of it, is is um is trying to move disclosure slowly forward.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.880
That's a whole other topic.
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:28.160
But uh they're trying to move it and they're using Gaia TV as the vehicle to put this stuff out, and only a small percentage of the population will ever watch it.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:28.960
Sure.
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:35.440
But it's enough to put the seed in the ground, you know, and let it grow.
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:42.400
Uh so that's um uh and you can't uh you can't actually always believe everything either.
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.720
You have to use your own discernment uh when you when you're watching it.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.039
But uh, but there is a lot of good stuff there.
00:32:49.359 --> 00:33:00.319
So why do you think I know you said it's a whole different topic altogether, but why do you think they're kind of measing out just a little bit of truth, releasing just a little bit of information and just kind of releasing it gradually?
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.400
Is it just to make us so ordinary?
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.200
Just think it's just kind of well, it's just one of those things, you know.
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:14.400
It's yeah, uh I believe that disclosure began in in real earnest 1966 with Star Trek Gene Roddenberry.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.720
Gene Roddenberry knew things.
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.799
You know, he knew he was told about the federation, and it appears the federation is a real thing.
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.119
Uh that was the you know, that was the truth that he was given.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.839
So he wrote that into the into the story.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.839
I'm sorry, what's what's the federation?
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.680
Is it from Star Trek you're talking about?
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.599
Yeah, it's from Star Trek, yeah.
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:37.920
The federate the Federation of Planets.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.720
Okay, uh yeah, so that that was the that was the beginning.
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.519
I believe that was the beginning of real serious earnest disclosure.
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.079
Okay.
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:49.759
With Star Trek.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.079
And you know, he go ahead.
00:33:52.400 --> 00:34:00.799
I was just gonna say, I think they have done that gradually over the years and just made it so that it's oh, we're just making this up.
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:14.719
This is all just science fiction, and but in their weird mind games, they have to release the real stuff at some point, but they released it, they have to say they released it, but we're just gonna make believe that it's make-believe.
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.400
That's right, that's right.
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:22.000
That's exactly that's exactly what has happened, and there's more in Star Trek uh as well.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:26.880
There's uh there are many other shows and movies that have done the same thing.
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.519
Uh so that was the beginning of it.
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.960
Now we're getting to the end of it, and the disclosure is starting to speed up.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.480
And now it's now they're saying this is real.
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:55.039
They're not they're not uh they're not making movies that well, they did make a movie of it, I guess, uh disclosure day, which is a um which is a pretty good movie for those that uh have not been following this for like myself ever since I was 13 years old.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.559
I mean, I've been trying to uncover what uh alien GTs are all about.
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:09.360
So for for the average person who doesn't do that, uh I would say that that was a pretty good movie uh when it came to disclosure.
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.679
And and again, they they disclosed uh a lot of stuff on there.
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:20.000
Now, for me, it didn't go nearly far enough, but uh but uh but that's only from my perspective.
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:20.719
Okay.
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.920
Any thoughts on uh have you seen the documentary or followed anything about Bob Lazar?
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:36.320
I have, and uh actually that uh that program I was telling you about on Gaia TV um does go into Bob Lazar.
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.559
Um I have um followed it to a certain extent, yes.
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:51.760
So I didn't know if you followed it to the extent of you could elaborate on the belief of the technology that we talked about, anti-gravity technology.
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:59.840
I was wondering if you knew of uh the propulsion system for these UAPs, the UFOs, is it all anti-gravity?
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:25.599
Uh well, yeah, it is it is, uh, although this you could call it anti-gravity, although the the uh I do believe that the mechanism used to produce it may vary between between uh different uh uh craft uh depending who built it, uh where it came from.
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.079
Uh I think the another term that there was used is electrogravity gravity.
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.639
Electrogravity, I can't pronounce it.
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.079
Gravidity.
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.920
Gravidity, something like that.
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.760
Uh electrogravity.
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:49.360
Um uh that that that is another term that used, I think uh maybe just a slightly different mechanism than uh than the generators that produce it.
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:54.000
But um I'm I'm not I'm not really I'm not really an expert on that.
00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:11.519
I haven't dived into it um with the with the knowledge of of uh of a physicist, which I don't I'm not, so so uh the um uh that I haven't uh I haven't looked into it too much.
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:11.760
No.
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:12.480
Okay.
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:24.559
Well on the on the subject of um UAPs and your flight school experience, have you ever been up there and found anything that wasn't military or was a little out of the ordinary to you?
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:37.840
I I have seen a couple things, although uh I would have to say that I I couldn't really say what it was, whether it was man-made or or or uh just blowing in the wind.
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:38.559
I don't know.
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.119
But uh but uh it wasn't it wasn't clear, right?
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:50.239
Okay, so the proximity to the things you've seen were too far away, or were they just too fast, or what was it?
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.360
Uh to uh combination of both, yeah.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.239
Interesting.
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:14.320
Have you seen the videos of the the tic-tacks they call them where those things that just all of a sudden that's why I believe it's a strongly believe that it's uh anti-gravity that they're using to just be able to push against the atmosphere and zip from spot to spot as fast as they want.
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.440
Um I I I'm of the opinion that those tic-tac videos were actually our ours.
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.960
They weren't ETs.
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:24.000
Is what I think.
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:38.400
Yep, yeah, it's just uh it's just uh I they they're they're so advanced that it wouldn't even be experiments, they were just they're doing something because uh they've they've been using these crafts for a long time.
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.760
I say, do you think it started in World War II?
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:49.360
Do you believe the Germans had some sort of I believe yeah, I believe it started with the Germans, yes.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.519
And do you believe they were given this information from some other source, some out-of-the-world source?
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:01.360
I believe that they got it from from dark entities entities, yes.
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:11.119
Uh they they there were some dark entities that uh that they that uh they were able to channel, I guess.
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.960
Marie Orson, I believe.
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.239
You're talking more of like the occult and things like that.
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.639
Where yeah, yeah, back in those days.
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:24.960
Asking, looking, probing for something, and then these dark energies gave them this information.
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:26.320
That's right, yeah.
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:26.880
Yeah.
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:28.800
I think that that is part of it.
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.519
I believe it's but it's probably not the whole story.
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.079
I was gonna say, something had to give them this information.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:41.199
It was pretty astronomical, the differences in technology the Germans found out or started to use versus the rest of the world.
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:46.960
Well, they were also they were also combing the planet for for the information as well.
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:55.360
Um they went to Tibet and other areas to to find ancient documents that they could they could uh could use.
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.320
So that would have been another source as well.
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:10.000
But uh yeah, I believe that that's uh the see the the uh the the German army surrendered, but the Nazis never did surrender, they moved to Antarctica.
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.039
That I believe.
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.039
I'd love to know what's going on in Antarctica.
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:23.280
I find it very strange that no one is allowed to fly over it or approach it, and all the countries of the world all have their flags down there and they don't speak of it.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.679
So I'd love to know what's going on down there.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:38.159
Yeah, um yes, I would, and I and I have uh and I don't know, I I I really don't have a lot of of information on what's going on down there.
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.159
And I believe there was a book published just not long ago by a fellow.
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:52.320
And uh I'm 72 years old, so my memory sometimes when I try to pick names out, I I lose the names.
00:40:52.480 --> 00:41:01.119
But there was one, there is uh there was a uh a secret space program whistleblower wrote a book on Antarctica that I hear is very good.
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.199
Uh I haven't read it yet.
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.360
It's just out, it's just been released.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.239
Uh and I I can't remember his name.
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.559
Uh, but uh I think he was also a guest on Gaia TV.
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:20.639
But uh he uh um that apparently there's a lot of information in there.
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.079
Interesting.
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.880
Um before we before we move on, I want to make sure everyone knows the the spelling of Gaia.
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.639
Is it G-A-I-A?
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.239
Um I believe that's what it is.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.400
I've I've I think I think I think that that's what it is as well.
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.320
I just don't have it here in front of me.
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.159
I'm not a particularly good speller.
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.360
Oh, it's okay.
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.599
I know it's just the same spelling, and I didn't want everyone to go guy T V.
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.119
I'm trying to find Guy T V.
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:50.320
Gaia, Gaia.
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.840
Yeah, D-A-I-A, I believe is what it's called.
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.280
I think that's what it is, too.
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.719
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.519
Um let me think here.
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:12.079
So you've airline pilot, or not airline pilot, but air instrument air instructor, um, yeah, airline instructor and science fiction writer.
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:13.440
How did those two come about?
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.800
How did you there's just a lot of time just staring at the skies up there?
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.320
You just started daydreaming about a story you could write, or well, yeah.
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:33.519
I I always I had felt uh for from the first time I heard about the secret space program, which probably back in the early 2000s, I thought that that would make a good book.
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:45.599
And and then um two mornings in a row as I was waking up, the plot for the book was downloaded into my into my consciousness.
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:46.480
Yeah.
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.199
And I started writing.
00:42:49.440 --> 00:43:00.400
It took me a long time, it took me 10 years to write the book, and I said, okay, whoever downloaded this into my my my consciousness, I hope your timing is right because this is taking me a long time.
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.440
I've uh I've got to concentrate on teaching people to fly.
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.079
I don't I don't have time to write this book every day.
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:06.639
Okay.
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:16.320
And uh and the official release was two days before uh Steven Spielberg's movie.
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:17.280
Really?
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.239
Yeah.
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:28.239
So that was the official release when we set out the when we when we sent out the uh the the press press release on the book.
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.639
So how long has this book been out?
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:39.440
Uh it it was it was it was the the the the original, it was put on Amazon the first part of March.
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:46.480
And then and then uh I believe it was June June the 9th or something like that.
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.920
It was it was officially released with a press release.
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:50.639
Okay.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:59.840
So do you feel like do you feel like writing in science fiction allows you to push out the ideas that would otherby otherwise be regarded?
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.280
As crazy or conspiratorial?
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:24.000
What it does is it it gets people reading this information without the the uh yeah I could I could have put it out I could have put the book out just as uh do it, you know, uh this is the raw information.
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.239
But a lot of people will not read that.
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.519
They like a story.
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.199
So if you if you put a story with it, well, the same with Star Trek.
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:40.320
You put a story with it, then people become certain people, you know, probably a large portion of the population would be more interested in reading it.
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.880
So that's why I I may I mix the two together uh into that.
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.360
And besides that, the story was downloaded into my consciousness to begin with.
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.760
That's a tell me a little bit more about that.
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.280
How do you how do you feel that uh ideas come to us?
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.039
And what is the name of the thing?
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.159
Yeah, a lot of a lot of ideas come to us from outside of us.
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:06.480
It's not ours, it's not us that that uh that uh that come up with it necessarily.
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:13.760
They they are they come from us from the field, from the consciousness field that humans produce.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:43.360
Um so now we're getting into consciousness and what it really is, and that's a pretty deep subject, but but uh yeah, the humans produce a field uh of consciousness around the planet, and and that field can be tapped into by every individual person, and that's uh that's where a lot of ideas come from.
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:50.159
It it's you know uh when invention happens, when an invention happens, something new comes on.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:57.840
There's always about 10 people that are at the same time are working on the same invention until one gets ahead of the other.
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.480
And that is because that is already in the field.
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.199
And once it's in the field, people pick up on it.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.800
That makes sense.
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:10.800
The ideas just don't just come to one person, it comes to many just to see who's gonna take it the rest of the way.
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:11.679
That's right.
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:25.440
And the secret space program that I talk about in the book, uh at the same time, there was about there were two other writers, authors also writing the same uh about the secret space program.
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:30.159
So there's I think there's three of us now that have that have books out on it.
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.440
Interesting.
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.960
Um totally unrelated, but this is the way I kind of do my questioning.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.840
And uh, we'll just call this question into the weeds.
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.480
That's one of my segments of these shows, is that I I ask these questions that go into the weeds.
00:46:44.960 --> 00:47:06.159
Um all the science fiction writers out there that write about murder, travesty, uh, kidnapping, you name it, all the bad things, all the horrible uh gore-related and or you know murderous type of things.
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.480
How are those people not locked up?
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:15.440
How come they can write about such things that come into their head and they're not just examined?
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.519
Uh I uh I don't know.
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:27.760
I've deliberately stayed away from those books, uh because they're not my thing.
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:35.039
So uh and I and I I well, first of all, I wouldn't want to see them locked up because I believe in freedom of speech.
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:47.840
Oh, so yeah, so um the uh so if that's their thing and that's what they want to write about, and if they have an audience, then fine, go ahead and do it.
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:55.840
That's the funny part, is that uh that type of thinking, that type of uh genre or whatever is highly regarded.
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:07.679
People love to read about other people's problems, or even if they're fictitious, especially if they're factitious, love to hear the the gore and the the guts and the betrayal and all that stuff.
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.519
But no, that was just one of my odd questions I like to throw out there.
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.719
Um, yeah, I know there probably isn't enough time for this question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.519
That's all right.
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.519
We we can go a little over if you want.
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.000
Who do you who do you think runs the world?
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:24.400
Okay.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.440
Are you familiar with the uh Anunnaki and Zacharias Stitchin?
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.199
And yes.
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.559
If you're not, you'd need to read.
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:43.920
Uh I would say, even though it's probably not a hundred percent accurate, read read Zacharias Stitchin.
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:44.480
Okay.
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.960
Okay, and that will give you a really good idea who runs the world.
00:48:49.599 --> 00:49:08.480
Uh, what Zacharias Stitchin did is he uh is he deciphered the uh the ancient Sumerian texts, and it talks all about the Sumerians coming to Earth and genetically modifying the the beings that were here at the time.
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:18.639
And uh and uh that's uh and I think he's got about I don't know eight or ten books that he's written.
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.760
And uh let me take a look here.
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.920
Uh yeah, there's one there.
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.760
Can I put it in the camera?
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:26.960
Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:27.840
Uh okay.
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.000
There's one there, it is the 12th planet.
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.079
I'd say that's probably one of the better ones.
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:33.679
The 12th planet.
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.679
Yeah, it's called the 12th planet.
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:36.239
Yeah.
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.679
Uh that's probably one of the better ones that he's written.
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.960
Uh the uh let me see here.
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.159
Uh okay, yeah.
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.880
But anyway, he talks about all the gods, and the gods were the Anunnaki that came to Earth.
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.760
And they were controlling, genetically modifying and controlling humanity.
00:49:58.159 --> 00:49:59.119
Makes sense.
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.079
And I believe that we've been controlled ever since, although not necessarily by the Anunnaki.
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:09.760
I think they turned the control over to the reptilians who were here when the Anunnaki got here.
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.239
They were they predate the humans.
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:22.239
And I believe that it was it's probably the reptilians that are controlling them, controlling the planet up until very, very recently.
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.000
And I think they've been defeated.
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:25.280
By whom?
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:37.360
By a group calling themselves uh the Earth, the Earth Alliance, I think is what the term is that some people use, but um, in conjunction with help from the Federation.
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:38.239
Okay.
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:48.559
And I think that they have overthrown, and and that's uh, and uh I believe that they've uh overthrown the uh the uh the reptilian power structure.
00:50:48.960 --> 00:51:03.760
So do you believe these reptilian people are the the uh demonic dipshits that are in our government in our yes, I believe that they're reptilian, I believe that they are reptilian hybrids.
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.000
Um is is what I believe.
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:08.639
Okay.
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.800
Well that to me that makes sense.
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.800
Like I said, alternative thinking theories here, not conspiracy theories.
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.719
I think anything is possible.
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:30.960
I think that could be one of the things that they're hiding down in Antarctica is yeah, I've heard of a giant hole that leads down into basically another planet, or at least a gateway to not another planet, but another section of our planet.
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:32.639
Yeah, inner Earth, yeah.
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:38.880
Inner Earth, and I believe there's the ice wall down in Antarctica that keeps us from seeing something else.
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.800
There's a lot of a lot of different uh rabbit holes we can go down with the reptilian theory.
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, there are.
00:51:47.679 --> 00:52:06.800
But yeah, I think that's uh that's a very interesting point, and I'd love to have you back on as a guest again just to talk on these different alternative theories as to who runs who runs the planet, why are they doing things the way they do, and are we just sheep that are just what are we here for?
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.239
What are we being used for?
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:16.000
Well, there's there's a lot of different things I believe that we are we are here for.
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:31.280
Um the the reptilians use us as everything from a uh uh a food source to a uh uh a source of uh of maintaining a certain level of uh of technology.
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:39.440
Um uh I believe the reptilians were at least initially behind the secret space program.
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:46.800
I'm not too sure they have much influence now on it, but I believe they were because they wanted to have that.
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:57.039
They probably had lost over the thousands of years, they had lost the technology, and now they were bringing it back through the secret space program that they could utilize themselves.
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:57.599
Okay.
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.719
Uh so uh I believe they were in control of it.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.440
I'm not too sure how much control they have today.
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:11.519
Uh, but uh it's uh the uh yeah, where was it another question?
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:13.360
Oh, yeah, I know what it was.
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:22.480
Um uh another another reason that that earth exists is for the development of the humans.
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:36.800
Uh the human being needs to have uh duality, needs to have friction to be able to evolve, evolve their soul.
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:45.119
So, in a sense, uh having us on a planet that's controlled by the reptilians provides that uh also.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:51.360
And I believe that eventually we are going we are going to evolve the earth into a much higher consciousness.
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.400
Well, in fact, we're not eventually, we're doing it now.
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:57.039
And and in how in what way?
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:13.440
Because I feel like the the way that we develop a higher consciousness is also brought about by the the uh the legalization of psychedelics, bringing back all the things that actually expand our minds, expand the brain power we actually have.
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.199
Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that brings about consciousness.
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.079
I just wonder if that brings about extra awareness then.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:28.480
Um uh the the human the human the human being on a planet is evolving.
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:34.800
Now, psychedelic psychedelics is one way to expand one's consciousness.
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.800
But that consciousness can be expanded without them.
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:45.360
It's a little more work, it's a little more work, but it can be expanded with without using the psychedelics.
00:54:45.599 --> 00:55:18.320
And I believe that that is probably, I think there's a use for them, but I think overall uh humanity will evolve uh without the use of psychedelics is just as we move into this area of of uh uh I really say higher uh less dense area of the of the soul of the uh galaxy, um it will almost come naturally after a while to humans to have this higher level of consciousness.
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:24.800
Yeah, say through prayer, meditation, ways to calm your spirit, calm your soul.
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:40.960
I feel like there's so many thousands of distractions, whether it's through your phone, social media, videos, news media, every single thing is trying to get your attention and keep you unfocused and unattractive to your own being.
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.880
That's exactly correct.
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:44.000
Yes, yes.
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.519
You uh you need to uh and it's very difficult to do.
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:54.400
I I have a hard time doing it because I'm uh I'm uh uh what should I say on a uh a knowledge act.
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.119
Um I'm addicted to knowledge.
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:57.679
Yeah.
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:05.840
So it is very difficult sometimes just to say, okay, I'm not gonna not gonna watch uh today, you know.
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:13.280
It is difficult to do, but uh, but if you focus yourself and um I know that's true, meditation.
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.519
I think Oh, absolutely.
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:16.639
Absolutely.
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:23.199
Um the the video feed kind of paused here, so I don't know if you're you're still okay.
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.159
There we go.
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:24.880
Sorry about that.
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.519
Yeah, um I I think social media is probably oh pardon me, Karen.
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:38.159
Meditation is is is one of the best ways to evolve, to use it as a as a way of evolving your consciousness.
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:39.519
Oh, absolutely.
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.199
I totally believe that.
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.719
I've started to meditate here in the last few months.
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:50.159
Um it's hard to get into, but you just kind of have to just let it be what it is.
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.039
That's right.
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.480
A lot of things going on in your head, try to calm it, quiet it down.
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.159
It that's the reason why you're you're not connected, is because you've got all these things whipping around in there.
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:01.039
That's right.
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:12.000
I I found that for me, listening to bineural beats helped uh a lot, and now I'm to the point where I don't even have to listen to them anymore.
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:20.000
Uh helped a lot in calming my mind and and focusing um on my meditation.
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:21.280
Interesting.
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:27.360
Yeah, I'm starting to experiment with some different things, but um yeah, we're on the same page there.
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:36.480
One thing I want to say before this podcast concludes is we probably lost a lot of viewers' minds.
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:41.360
I feel like a lot of viewers are very closed off to the ideas that we've spoken about today.
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:46.480
You know, reptilians, different moon landings, uh, all that stuff.
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:53.119
I want the people that are listening to know that this older gentleman that you're listening to has a wealth of knowledge.
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.079
He has a wealth of beliefs, he has a creative mind.
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:05.360
Just because he offers up an idea, a notion that you've never thought of does not make him crazy, does not make me crazy.
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.280
That's the whole point of this podcast is to explore these different ideas.
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:15.119
So I don't want people to think, oh my god, they're talking about aliens, oh my god, they're talking about reptilian people.
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:16.320
I'm shutting this shit off.
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:17.599
This doesn't make any sense.
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.519
If you stuck through this whole time, I appreciate you listening.
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:30.320
Uh, I believe a lot of what David Brandon has said today, and I think it's all food for thought, more or less.
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.199
So with that, I know we're we're up to an hour here, so I'm gonna let you go.
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:40.320
But um, where can people find out more about you, your book?
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:48.719
Uh is there a website or social media outlet that people can get a hold of you or try to talk to you or just know more about you?
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:50.800
Uh yes, there uh there is.
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.760
It's uh Rings of Saturn, Enemy Within.
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:04.320
Uh and uh it's uh on all uh online bookstores, Amazon, and all the rest of the online bookstores carry it.
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.760
Uh it's uh and also I have a website.
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.159
Uh it's called rings of saturn.ca.
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:12.000
Ringsofsaturn.ca.
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.440
If you go in there, you can email me or contact me if you wish, anybody who wishes to do so.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:29.119
Um and I would tell you, I'll also say that the book is about pretty much about everything we've been talking about today in fiction form, science fiction form.
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.760
Okay, and uh it makes for uh uh an interesting read.
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:35.920
Um most people have read it.
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.159
Well, I had one lady say that after she read it, she says, that's not fiction.
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.000
She says, That's the truth.
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.480
So uh yeah.
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:47.440
Yeah.
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:48.320
Okay.
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:53.199
Well, I thank you again for joining me on this Saturday morning, and uh, I wish you have a good day.
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.000
If you stick around for just a minute, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop the recording, but I want to ask you a couple more things.
00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.199
Okay, yeah.
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.639
All right, so David Brandon, it's been a pro it's been a pleasure.
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:04.239
Thank you for having me.
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You bet
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, thinkers of all ages, this is what the Lame Brain Podcast is about.
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I've got strange questions, and people should have answers for them.
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And this guy, David Brandon, actually has some decent, fun, entertaining answers.
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They are alternative thinking theory answers.
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As a matter of fact, Mr.
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Brandon is a science fiction writer, and you'll hear in his voice the conviction of said ideas.
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There again, the Lame Brain Podcast is all about alternative thinking theories and different and strange ways of thinking.
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Because are they really strange?
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You tell me.
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They're probably only strange to you because you've not thought of them yourself or have dismissed them entirely under whatever prejudices.
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So listen up as this one gets very interesting.
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This is the Lame Brain Podcast, and I've got questions.
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Alright, so David Brandon, I thank you for joining me today.
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Um, I know we're limited on time, so I'm gonna try to funnel all my questions the best I can into at least a certain quadrant of what I want to talk about because uh, as we've discussed, you come across as a very knowledgeable person.
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You're a flight instructor, an airline pilot, and also a science fiction author.
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So, what what I'd like to do is uh just ask you a couple of questions.
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Let's just let's let me preface this thing by saying this is the Lane Brain Podcast, and I've got questions.
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So I've got an interesting view for you, and thank you in advance for playing along.
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Yeah, and I'd like to make one correction there, and that is I was I never flew an I never was not I'm a commercial pilot, but never flew an airline.
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I many of my students have.
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Uh I focused my career on teaching.
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I love teaching.
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Okay.
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And uh that's that's what I did.
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I owned a flying school, and uh I I was a flight instructor for many years.
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Okay, so you've had a lot of time with planes, a lot of time in the air.
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What what type of what type of plane do you typically train on?
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Or yeah, yeah, we we trained on um uh on Cessna's primarily.
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Primarily Cessnas.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so how much how much do you know about jet propulsion and things like that?
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I know uh I know what I need to know um uh as a commercial pilot, but I have never flown a jet propelled uh airliner.
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I have flown the one uh one I I've flown that uh was a smaller uh military trainer.
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I flew a couple times.
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But other than that, uh uh uh my my knowledge, intimate knowledge of jet propulsion is not uh is not huge.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um well let me start with uh so your intimate knowledge of the jets aren't that isn't that familiar.
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I was gonna ask you a couple questions regarding jet propulsion.
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You might you might be able to just ask them and I'll I'll I'll see what I know and I'll tell you.
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Most generally the commercial airliners are what 777s, a three four three A340s?
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Well, uh actually the 737 is probably the most uh I I would guess that that one is the most used.
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They've been making it a long time, and uh, and actually they they keep revising it.
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And as we know, as we know, that the the last revision didn't turn out too well.
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So uh but but the the they're continuing to to uh to make it and that and that is uh probably the most prevalent uh airliner there is out there.
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I I could be wrong, but it'd be pretty, if not, it'd be very close to the most used.
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Do the uh the do the controls um pretty much just you'd be able to jump from a Cessna and then jump into a giant jet liner and be able to figure it out, or is it a different well?
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I'll tell you I'll tell you a story about one of my students.
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His last flight, he got hired by an airliner, by an airlines, I should say, and his last flight was uh teaching a student in a Cessna 150, which is a small two-seater airplane.
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Okay, his very next flight was a 737.
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So the answer is yes, they're pretty much the same except for size and the complexity.
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Okay, so the complexity is all the gauges and the switches and yeah, the all the all the all the systems that are that are uh on the aircraft, uh, from hydraulics to electrics and and uh and the power plant, the the engine, all all of the systems and how those systems are monitored uh during flight and and uh maintained.
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That that's the difference, really.
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Okay.
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Uh where a small small airplane like that, uh it's it's a little more complex to get in your into your car, but not a lot.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Um, let me ask you something regarding the the engines.
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So in your Cessna, you've got piston-driven engines, is that correct?
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Yes, yeah.
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So they're they're using fuel.
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You have a fuel tank in on the plane somewhere that's obviously pumping fuel.
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You only have so much fuel in the wings.
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Okay, so they're in the wings, in the wings, and in the Cessna, the fuel is is is gravity fed.
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Okay, all right.
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So, how much fuel are you putting into the wings of the plane?
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Oh, uh depending upon which airplane it is, but uh, I don't know, anywhere's in the in the 20 to 40 gallon range.
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Okay, 20 to 40 gallons.
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All right, so the size by comparison, and this is kind of a sketchy area, I don't know if you're familiar with it or not, but they tell us that in the wings of the A340s or the 747s or whatever, they carry tens of thousands of gallons of fuel.
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Is do you believe that to be possible or is that yeah, yeah, I I uh I believe that to be possible.
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Uh, I'm not exactly sure how much a 777 would carry uh yeah on board, but uh uh I would say that that is that is possible.
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You gotta remember, uh the the higher the airplane flies, the less fuel it uses.
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Okay.
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So um, and of course, the wings and the and even a part in those aircraft, even a portion of the belly would would hold the fuel on some of those airplanes.
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Okay so like be maybe joining between the wings.
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And you can actually, if you take a stand back and take a look, you can actually on some of the aircraft you can actually see that.
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But uh uh uh I I'd have to take a look at this what the official specs are on say a 777.
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I don't know what they are, and I don't know what the official specs is on the amount of gallons or pounds.
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When you get to that size, it's not measured in gallons any longer, it's measured in pounds of fuel.
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So uh the only reason I asked is because I I feel like that is a misconception.
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The the amount of fuel that goes into these thin, relatively thin wings, uh the the fuel belly, if you will, the uh the the tanks seem like they wouldn't be able, I mean the wings are probably what two and a half feet tall, three feet tall.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe a bit more than that, but yeah, they are relatively thin.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, um I look at I look at photos, and I can't bring any up here because I'm not savvy in that yet, but uh look at the photos of like a tall uh refinery size tank of 10,000 gallons, and it's enormous, it's probably seven, eight stories high and you know, as wide as 50 yards.
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And the question has always been like, would how is that fuel inside that huge container all contained inside those wings?
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Well, it it one of those containers would would hold fuel for a lot of a lot of airplanes, not just one.
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Sure.
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So they would just take a certain amount out and uh and uh uh and and and put it into each airplane.
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Uh also the reason it's they are measured in pounds in an airliner is because temperature will affect the density of the fuel.
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So therefore, when when the aircraft is is flying, uh if the density of the fuel is less, then they require, of course, more fuel fuel.
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Um uh if the density of the fuel is more, which is what would happen at altitude because it gets so cold up there that would can the the density of the fuel would uh would increase and therefore they need less fuel.
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Okay.
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All right, well, that makes sense.
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Uh so uh one other uh thing I might add too is when they get to 20,000 feet or for we'll say 40,000 feet in the 777, uh the air is so thin as well.
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And because the air is thinner, again, it's a fuel air mixture that goes in.
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They require less fuel because there is less uh the the um the they require less fuel because there is less air going in as well.
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And of course, eventually they get to an altitude where they can no longer sustain flight.
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Uh at four at 50 to 45,000, I think probably is somewhere in the range, the maximum range for those airplanes.
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Okay.
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Um uh but but on the other hand, I'm getting into theory of flight here and I can't quit.
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Fine, go ahead.
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On the other hand, you also have to remember that at that altitude the air is so thin, the drag on the airplane is so much less as well.
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Okay, so you got less drag, of course, you got less air going in, but you also have less drag on the airplane.
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So they can maintain because that drag is so much less, they can maintain speeds that are you know just under or not too far under the speed of sound.
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Really that high.
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With with yeah, with relatively relatively uh small usage of fuel compared to uh what they would use at uh at 10,000 feet.
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So that's why the the airlines like to make sure that the aircraft can get up as high as they can as soon as they can, so as to cut back into fuel consumption.
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Okay.
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Well, going back to my original question of do you think as much fuel is squeezed into those those wings as possible?
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Do you do you believe that the the the jet will use the fuel to take off, get itself up to that high altitude, and then switch over to an alternative energy source like the atmospheric pressure?
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And the engines don't necessarily shut off, but does it does it does it drive the turbines versus using the fuel?
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No, uh it's uh if there were some I and I know where you're going with us here, and uh and I could uh and I could uh tell you a story about the space space space shuttle.
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But anyway, the um the no because the fuel consumption does drop way back when they get to altitude for the speed that they have.
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Okay.
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Okay, I mean, because the because the air is so much thinner, they're not using as much fuel, and the air is less dense, uh, or because it's thinner and less dense, uh, they don't have the drag.
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So uh so whether whether there's something else that takes over at that altitude, if there were, I would know about it.
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Oh, really?
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because uh I have um, you know, it's uh basically a commercial pilot.
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You can fly when you're done with the course, you can fly an airliner or you can fly a bush pilot, or you can teach, but you need the commercial pilot's license to teach.
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Okay, and you you need it for everything that you would make money doing.
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Okay.
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Okay, so it's the same course regardless.
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Gotcha.
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Um so I don't know about any other uh energy sources that are available up there.
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And you were gonna mention something about uh a shuttle.
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Yeah.
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I I'm I I'm really interested in anti-gravity.
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Okay.
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Okay, I I don't know what you have heard or know about it, but uh there is a uh anti-gravity uh well it is exactly what it says.
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Uh the um the uh anti-gravity producers, and it's that's in my book too.
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We never mention uh uh in fact I've written a book uh called The Rings of Saturn, Enemy Within.
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And I and I talk about it in the it's it's a novel, but it's a it's a novel that that presents this information that we're giving today in novel form rather than just laying it out uh as facts.
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And uh so the anti-gravity uh creates the the generators will produce a bubble of of uh of gravity, say for example, above the airplane, or above the the not necessarily the airplane, but above the the the craft or the ship that is that has got it on.
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And uh and therefore it's like reverse.
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So the gravity, you're you're being the gravity is pulling upwards rather than downward, like the normal gravity.
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So you actually fall up into the bubble.
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Okay.
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Use it for propulsion, same thing.
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The the the you'd fall into the into the bubble and the bubble always stays ahead of you.
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That's what that's what it is thought that uh the type of propulsion that a lot of uh UFO UAPs use.
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Right.
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That was gonna be one of my questions.
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Do you you believe we have that technology though, don't you?
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I I believe that we have it now and it's not being released.
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Yes.
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Now I I talked about the space shuttle.
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Um it is thought, it is thought by some people that the space shuttle actually had that on to a certain extent, or it would never have made it into space, something that large.
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Uh that is that is the conspiracy theory thinking of that.
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And one day one day I was sitting in my office, and this uh fellow that I knew, he was a former astronaut.
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Uh he flew on a space shuttle.
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He had spent a couple weeks on it.
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And uh he walked into my office and we started up a conversation, like we'd done many times.
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And uh I said to him, um, what do you know about anti-gravity?
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Well, he got mad.
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Uh, I mean, his anger towards me for asking that question was much what I felt was much greater, much greater than was really necessary.
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Yes, I completely unnecessary.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh he he called the people that believed in that the conspiracy theorists, and well, I guess they are, but and he says it's a cult.
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He says it's a cult.
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Of course, of course.
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And uh I felt, you know, if he uh Shakespeare, what did Shakespeare say?
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Uh youth protest too much.
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Uh uh, which made me think that maybe that's true.
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Yeah, they did have anti-gravity on the space shuttle.
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Um I was gonna say, I think a lot of people stick to their story, stick to the story they're stole they're told, and also stick to the story.
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Yeah, that they're told and it's learned and it's taught, and it's just well, that's the way it is.
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Yes, that's right.
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Yeah, that's the way I learned it, and you're crazy.
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You are a crazy conspiracy theorist, which is a phrase, by the way, that I despise, I cannot stand.
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I like to use the term alternative thinking.
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Yes, yes.
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I that's the term that I like to use, alternative thinking.
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Yeah.
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But no, I think uh going back to space shuttles and the moon landing and all that stuff, I believe that was a farce.
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I believe back in when we allegedly landed on the moon, I think that was all TV driven.
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I think the communication wasn't there, it wasn't we weren't able to call somebody on the phone that was up on the moon communicating with us.
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I don't think any of that was real.
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I I I I disagree with you on that.
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Okay.
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I I um I believe that it actually happened.
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Okay, but I also believe that there was there was uh there was uh uh what should I say, uh sound stage or sets that would fill that would fill in every once in a while.
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I remember I'm all I'm old enough that I remember sitting and watching it on TV, on TV.
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And at the time, I was I was excited, you know, because because that's what I love.
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I may mean uh I in a in a future lifetime I want to be on a starship.
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Oh, for sure.
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I don't know a lot of people like that, yeah.
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So uh yeah, I was sitting there at the age of I can't remember how old it is, 13 or uh 14, somebody around there, and uh and I was watching it, and then they said, Okay, the everybody, the this astronauts have all gone to bed now, and uh we're just gonna leave the the camera going, looking at the the landing module.
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And when they did that, the whole picture to me felt different.
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How so?
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Uh it was clearer, more clear.
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It seemed to be more clear, it seemed to be, it just felt different.
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The whole picture felt different.
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And I remember thinking about that at the time, but I never never could never think of of uh uh of why it would be.
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But now I know why it would be is because they switched from the camera on the moon to the camera on the sound stage.
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Okay.
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Or whatever it was.
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Yeah.
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Uh, because they did not want to use have a camera continuously going on the moon when no one was there to the the the staff, you know, everybody needed to went went home, whatever, most of them went home, likely the mission control, you know, and come back the next morning.
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Uh so they didn't want the camera just uh just sitting there all night long just in case it picked up some anomalies.
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Oh so they needed the soundstage, they needed that to switch back and forth from and to um uh to make sure that the the anomalies were not picked up.
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Do you think they were expecting anomalies up there?
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Is that one of the reasons why they went up?
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Obviously for exploration of a different surface and whatnot, but do you think they were expecting to see things flighting flying by or yeah?
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I think so.
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Okay.
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I think so.
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I think that that's what they were expecting that they could pick up, and they didn't they wanted to do everything.
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Uh there was a uh there was a delay, of course, on what we got as to when the feed came in.
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It it wasn't direct, it was always a delay in there.
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Uh so uh yeah, I think that they were totally expecting it.
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Okay, and and even the astronauts themselves use code words like um, yes, there is a Santa Claus.
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Things like that, they would say.
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Uh to imply to the the people in the know that they have encountered something else up there.
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Yeah, okay.
00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.519
That's correct, that's correct.
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:50.079
Uh now it was I I did hear one, and I and I know whether it supposedly come from one of the astronauts.
00:20:50.160 --> 00:21:08.400
I don't remember which astronaut it was, but uh the uh when they landed in the crater there, um and they looked up on the rim of the crater, uh there was there was uh reptilians and their ships looking down at them.
00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:09.279
Really?
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:10.400
Yeah, that's right.
00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.799
And where did you hear this from?
00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:26.880
Uh I'm trying to think where it sometimes I hear things and I I can't track it back, but uh I do believe that uh and this is something uh uh I heard years and years ago.
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.640
I think back in the Art Bell show.
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:30.559
You remember uh remember that show?
00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:32.480
And the name sounds familiar, it does.
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:33.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:44.799
It was uh before we had the the internet to the extent that we have today, Art Bell was a uh um midnight, midnight at the oasis, whatever in the middle of the desert.
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:50.559
You'd run this uh this program, and and this was the type of topics he would talk about.
00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:58.480
And uh the internet was really early, so I would just they did have it on there, but I'd have to download it uh and then listen to it.
00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:13.599
And um, so So uh I believe that that came from him from one of his shows, if I'm not mistaken, and it was supposedly given to him or given to this guest um um from one of the astronauts.
00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.000
But that's all I know about it, and I can't prove that it's right or wrong.
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:18.640
Sure.
00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.599
Let's say there's always speculation until there's actual video proof or video evidence.
00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:32.880
That's right, yes, and maybe and maybe with disclosure ads that's coming, uh that idiot that video evidence may show up.
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.079
You never know.
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:48.720
I was gonna say, speaking on video evidence and pushing back a little bit on the moon landing thing, do you find it funny that NASA has now not been able to locate all their original footage and it got deleted or it got burned or whatever?
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.079
Of course, of course, there was too many anomalies in it.
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:58.400
So you think the anomalies were the things that might have been in space or on the moon that's right.
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:03.279
They could they're not afraid or they're afraid to disclose to the American people.
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:05.200
That's right, that's right.
00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:06.559
Yeah, okay.
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.400
All right, that makes sense uh in one aspect, sure.
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.359
Um, so what do you what do you believe is on the moon?
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.759
I've heard different stories, I've seen videos.
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:22.240
I don't know what's legit on the internet of like flashing lights on the darker side half of the moon.
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.720
Like we have space stations up on the other side of the moon.
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:26.000
Do you have any thought on that?
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:35.759
Yes, I believe that we do have uh uh the secret space program has has a base on the on the dark side or no on the on the back side of the moon.
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:42.000
We won't call it the dark because it's uh it's not really dark, it's just on the side that's facing away from Earth.
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.880
And uh that uh uh the there there are there are bases up there for sure.
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.000
That's interesting.
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.279
And and my book and my book gets into that as well.
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:53.920
Okay.
00:23:54.559 --> 00:24:06.880
Well, I was gonna I'm gonna get to your book here in a little bit, but I've got other questions that might curtail ourselves to your uh expertise uh in in flight and travel and things like that.
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.240
So um let me check here real quick.
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:17.759
Um not totally related to flight, but a little bit more on the alternative thinking theory.
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:29.359
Are you you have any thoughts or any idea about chemtrails, aka the exhaust trails that follow death across the sky that crisscross and then turn into wispy clouds?
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.359
Do you have any idea what that might be?
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:35.519
They're spraying something, they're spraying something in the atmosphere.
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:47.839
Uh now uh I remember back in the in the early 2000s, uh, at least in the area that I live in anyway, it was far worse than it is now.
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:49.680
Far worse, yes.
00:24:49.920 --> 00:25:02.319
Yeah, it it was like it would uh a um high pressure system would come through and the sky would all clear up, and then by by early afternoon it was all full of chemtrails.
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:03.119
Okay.
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.839
Uh so uh and uh and I could see them.
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:08.960
I could see them.
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:16.319
Uh I I live north of Lake Lake uh Lake Erie on the north side of Lake Erie and the Canadian side.
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.200
And uh that's where I had my flying school.
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:30.960
And I would look south over the lake, and I could see them actually taking off on that side, probably right Patterson, but I'm not sure.
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:38.000
You could you could see them climbing out, and and as soon as it wasn't long that they were off the ground that they were starting to release the the the chemtrails.
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.519
That was back in those days.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.359
I don't see that anymore.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.359
You don't not not from that region, or not you're not taken into perspective at all.
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:54.000
Uh in this region, no, I don't see anything anything close to what it was during that time period.
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.160
Now go ahead.
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:56.640
Sorry.
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.799
I was just gonna say that that's interesting because it I feel like it's per region.
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:12.960
I can go out, I haven't been noticing as much anymore, but I live in uh the northern part of Ohio, so I'll go out and look out, look out in the sky, and then by 10 o'clock, you'll start to see the trails.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:19.519
You'll start to see them zipping across the sky, just doing their X's, and then it just turns into this wispy white coverage.
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.319
And they're still doing they're still doing that.
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.640
They're still doing that, they're still doing that.
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:30.640
Okay, uh trip down to southern Ohio, and I didn't see a plane for the days we were down there.
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.799
I didn't see any type of stream cloud coverage, anything.
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.039
So I don't know what it is per region.
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.160
It could be it could be something per region, yeah.
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:52.000
I up here we still do get them, but uh the odd day, but it nothing, nothing to what it was for that we got in the in the early 2000s.
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.519
Um it was pretty bad back then.
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:01.839
Were you affected a couple weeks ago by the uh the smoke that was going on from the fires in Canada?
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.599
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:11.039
We had some uh we had it was uh in fact we were down to I think three miles visibility.
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:18.400
Uh like I I sold the flying school and it's operated by uh it's still in operation, the same flying school.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:26.960
And uh I went out and talked to the new the owner, and uh he said that yeah, they were down to three miles visibility.
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.440
Uh amazing with the smoke.
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:36.400
They couldn't fly, it was just what it was was uh they could you couldn't train on that in that weather uh to any great extent.
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.599
Interesting.
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.200
Um what do you think the chemicals are that they're spraying?
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.359
I know there's aluminum, there's like heavy metals and barium.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:54.079
What's what's the purpose other than try to climate control, or is it to like dump chemicals into our body?
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:55.599
What do you think of it?
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.599
I don't know.
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:07.359
And I've studied this and I've followed the the trails for a long time, and basically I don't know uh exactly what the purpose is.
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:13.680
Uh we do know that there's what there some of the stuff that there's in there, um uh mercury, barium.
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.279
Uh I forget what else you say anyway.
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.680
Uh yeah, aluminum, heavy metals, yeah.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:22.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:36.640
Um we do know that because there's been samples taken after after a a real uh you know, after getting a lot of them, and you get a rain, and then there have been people out taking samples of the rainwater, right?
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.960
And that's what they're picking up.
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:48.400
Uh I don't know uh what um I did see on Gaia Gaia TV.
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.000
I don't know if you've ever uh watched that uh Gaia TV, have you?
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:53.839
Who's what's his name?
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:55.839
Uh uh Gaia TV.
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:56.640
Oh Gaia.
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:58.480
Oh, yeah, Gaia.
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.160
You gotta subscribe to it.
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.920
I haven't done that yet.
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.400
Okay, yeah, that's that's uh that's a lot of yeah, go back.
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.400
There's a lot of good stuff on there.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:17.519
Uh there was uh they were interviewing uh a fellow by the name of Richard Dodey, who was who is uh uh military uh military spook.
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.200
I forgot what the term is that they call it the those fellows.
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:36.079
And uh his job was to um was to uh um smooth over uh uh uh the uh UFO and and and other uh incidences that would happen.
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.640
That was that was his job.
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.519
But now he's releasing the information that he had, that he had.
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:52.240
Uh well, supposedly, although once you're a spook, you're always a spook, so you don't you don't know to what degree he's actually telling the truth.
00:29:52.559 --> 00:30:07.839
But uh he was asked a question about the chemtrails, and he said uh it was used, they would put it in the atmosphere so they could track UFOs coming in that were using a coking device.
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:09.680
That was what he said.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:10.559
Really?
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.359
Uh uh, but I feel that they don't do anything with just maybe that was one of the reasons.
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.319
Okay, right.
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.759
Uh uh, because they don't seem to do anything.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.400
The the dark side doesn't seem to do anything without at least several reasons for doing it.
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.119
Oh, sure.
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:42.720
It's like a bill going into Congress that's got this much importance to it, then all this back end bullshit that you gotta just Gaia, there's a lot of good stuff there.
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.960
Uh the the best one, and I'm trying to think of the name of the program, and it just just escapes my mind right now.
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.079
Um gosh.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:58.079
I I can't remember which one it is, but there's one there that talks about mostly about aliens and UFOs.
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:58.880
Okay.
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.640
Uh I can't remember what it's called right now.
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.480
Uh but anyway, I haven't yeah, I haven't listened to it for a while.
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:18.880
I uh but I'll go what I do is I kind of sign out of it, and then after six months, I'll go back in by a month and go back in and get all caught up on what I missed, and then just leave it to go again.
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.799
Because that's really the only thing that I I watch to any great extent on Gaia.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319
I watch a few other things, but that's the most one.
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.279
Um so uh okay.
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.960
For those who don't know, Gaia is a what is it?
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.079
What would you what would you call it?
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:50.880
A truth-based docuseries or educational the Gaia, the Gaia, the Gaia TV uh I believe has a lot of a lot of uh uh CIA influences, that type of thing in there.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.359
Um I believe it does.
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.839
So they are releasing what the establishment wants released.
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:14.799
Oh but they're they're releasing a lot of good stuff because this the establishment, uh at least a section of it, anyways, a part of it, is is um is trying to move disclosure slowly forward.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.880
That's a whole other topic.
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:28.160
But uh they're trying to move it and they're using Gaia TV as the vehicle to put this stuff out, and only a small percentage of the population will ever watch it.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:28.960
Sure.
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:35.440
But it's enough to put the seed in the ground, you know, and let it grow.
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:42.400
Uh so that's um uh and you can't uh you can't actually always believe everything either.
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.720
You have to use your own discernment uh when you when you're watching it.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.039
But uh, but there is a lot of good stuff there.
00:32:49.359 --> 00:33:00.319
So why do you think I know you said it's a whole different topic altogether, but why do you think they're kind of measing out just a little bit of truth, releasing just a little bit of information and just kind of releasing it gradually?
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.400
Is it just to make us so ordinary?
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.200
Just think it's just kind of well, it's just one of those things, you know.
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:14.400
It's yeah, uh I believe that disclosure began in in real earnest 1966 with Star Trek Gene Roddenberry.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.720
Gene Roddenberry knew things.
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.799
You know, he knew he was told about the federation, and it appears the federation is a real thing.
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.119
Uh that was the you know, that was the truth that he was given.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.839
So he wrote that into the into the story.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.839
I'm sorry, what's what's the federation?
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.680
Is it from Star Trek you're talking about?
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.599
Yeah, it's from Star Trek, yeah.
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:37.920
The federate the Federation of Planets.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.720
Okay, uh yeah, so that that was the that was the beginning.
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.519
I believe that was the beginning of real serious earnest disclosure.
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.079
Okay.
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:49.759
With Star Trek.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.079
And you know, he go ahead.
00:33:52.400 --> 00:34:00.799
I was just gonna say, I think they have done that gradually over the years and just made it so that it's oh, we're just making this up.
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:14.719
This is all just science fiction, and but in their weird mind games, they have to release the real stuff at some point, but they released it, they have to say they released it, but we're just gonna make believe that it's make-believe.
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.400
That's right, that's right.
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:22.000
That's exactly that's exactly what has happened, and there's more in Star Trek uh as well.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:26.880
There's uh there are many other shows and movies that have done the same thing.
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.519
Uh so that was the beginning of it.
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.960
Now we're getting to the end of it, and the disclosure is starting to speed up.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.480
And now it's now they're saying this is real.
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:55.039
They're not they're not uh they're not making movies that well, they did make a movie of it, I guess, uh disclosure day, which is a um which is a pretty good movie for those that uh have not been following this for like myself ever since I was 13 years old.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.559
I mean, I've been trying to uncover what uh alien GTs are all about.
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:09.360
So for for the average person who doesn't do that, uh I would say that that was a pretty good movie uh when it came to disclosure.
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.679
And and again, they they disclosed uh a lot of stuff on there.
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:20.000
Now, for me, it didn't go nearly far enough, but uh but uh but that's only from my perspective.
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:20.719
Okay.
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.920
Any thoughts on uh have you seen the documentary or followed anything about Bob Lazar?
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:36.320
I have, and uh actually that uh that program I was telling you about on Gaia TV um does go into Bob Lazar.
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.559
Um I have um followed it to a certain extent, yes.
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:51.760
So I didn't know if you followed it to the extent of you could elaborate on the belief of the technology that we talked about, anti-gravity technology.
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:59.840
I was wondering if you knew of uh the propulsion system for these UAPs, the UFOs, is it all anti-gravity?
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:25.599
Uh well, yeah, it is it is, uh, although this you could call it anti-gravity, although the the uh I do believe that the mechanism used to produce it may vary between between uh different uh uh craft uh depending who built it, uh where it came from.
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.079
Uh I think the another term that there was used is electrogravity gravity.
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.639
Electrogravity, I can't pronounce it.
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.079
Gravidity.
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.920
Gravidity, something like that.
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.760
Uh electrogravity.
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:49.360
Um uh that that that is another term that used, I think uh maybe just a slightly different mechanism than uh than the generators that produce it.
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:54.000
But um I'm I'm not I'm not really I'm not really an expert on that.
00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:11.519
I haven't dived into it um with the with the knowledge of of uh of a physicist, which I don't I'm not, so so uh the um uh that I haven't uh I haven't looked into it too much.
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:11.760
No.
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:12.480
Okay.
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:24.559
Well on the on the subject of um UAPs and your flight school experience, have you ever been up there and found anything that wasn't military or was a little out of the ordinary to you?
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:37.840
I I have seen a couple things, although uh I would have to say that I I couldn't really say what it was, whether it was man-made or or or uh just blowing in the wind.
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:38.559
I don't know.
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.119
But uh but uh it wasn't it wasn't clear, right?
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:50.239
Okay, so the proximity to the things you've seen were too far away, or were they just too fast, or what was it?
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.360
Uh to uh combination of both, yeah.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.239
Interesting.
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:14.320
Have you seen the videos of the the tic-tacks they call them where those things that just all of a sudden that's why I believe it's a strongly believe that it's uh anti-gravity that they're using to just be able to push against the atmosphere and zip from spot to spot as fast as they want.
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.440
Um I I I'm of the opinion that those tic-tac videos were actually our ours.
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.960
They weren't ETs.
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:24.000
Is what I think.
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:38.400
Yep, yeah, it's just uh it's just uh I they they're they're so advanced that it wouldn't even be experiments, they were just they're doing something because uh they've they've been using these crafts for a long time.
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.760
I say, do you think it started in World War II?
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:49.360
Do you believe the Germans had some sort of I believe yeah, I believe it started with the Germans, yes.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.519
And do you believe they were given this information from some other source, some out-of-the-world source?
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:01.360
I believe that they got it from from dark entities entities, yes.
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:11.119
Uh they they there were some dark entities that uh that they that uh they were able to channel, I guess.
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.960
Marie Orson, I believe.
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.239
You're talking more of like the occult and things like that.
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.639
Where yeah, yeah, back in those days.
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:24.960
Asking, looking, probing for something, and then these dark energies gave them this information.
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:26.320
That's right, yeah.
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:26.880
Yeah.
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:28.800
I think that that is part of it.
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.519
I believe it's but it's probably not the whole story.
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.079
I was gonna say, something had to give them this information.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:41.199
It was pretty astronomical, the differences in technology the Germans found out or started to use versus the rest of the world.
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:46.960
Well, they were also they were also combing the planet for for the information as well.
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:55.360
Um they went to Tibet and other areas to to find ancient documents that they could they could uh could use.
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.320
So that would have been another source as well.
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:10.000
But uh yeah, I believe that that's uh the see the the uh the the German army surrendered, but the Nazis never did surrender, they moved to Antarctica.
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.039
That I believe.
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.039
I'd love to know what's going on in Antarctica.
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:23.280
I find it very strange that no one is allowed to fly over it or approach it, and all the countries of the world all have their flags down there and they don't speak of it.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.679
So I'd love to know what's going on down there.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:38.159
Yeah, um yes, I would, and I and I have uh and I don't know, I I I really don't have a lot of of information on what's going on down there.
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.159
And I believe there was a book published just not long ago by a fellow.
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:52.320
And uh I'm 72 years old, so my memory sometimes when I try to pick names out, I I lose the names.
00:40:52.480 --> 00:41:01.119
But there was one, there is uh there was a uh a secret space program whistleblower wrote a book on Antarctica that I hear is very good.
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.199
Uh I haven't read it yet.
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.360
It's just out, it's just been released.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.239
Uh and I I can't remember his name.
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.559
Uh, but uh I think he was also a guest on Gaia TV.
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:20.639
But uh he uh um that apparently there's a lot of information in there.
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.079
Interesting.
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.880
Um before we before we move on, I want to make sure everyone knows the the spelling of Gaia.
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.639
Is it G-A-I-A?
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.239
Um I believe that's what it is.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.400
I've I've I think I think I think that that's what it is as well.
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.320
I just don't have it here in front of me.
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.159
I'm not a particularly good speller.
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.360
Oh, it's okay.
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.599
I know it's just the same spelling, and I didn't want everyone to go guy T V.
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.119
I'm trying to find Guy T V.
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:50.320
Gaia, Gaia.
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.840
Yeah, D-A-I-A, I believe is what it's called.
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.280
I think that's what it is, too.
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.719
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.519
Um let me think here.
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:12.079
So you've airline pilot, or not airline pilot, but air instrument air instructor, um, yeah, airline instructor and science fiction writer.
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:13.440
How did those two come about?
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.800
How did you there's just a lot of time just staring at the skies up there?
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.320
You just started daydreaming about a story you could write, or well, yeah.
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:33.519
I I always I had felt uh for from the first time I heard about the secret space program, which probably back in the early 2000s, I thought that that would make a good book.
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:45.599
And and then um two mornings in a row as I was waking up, the plot for the book was downloaded into my into my consciousness.
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:46.480
Yeah.
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.199
And I started writing.
00:42:49.440 --> 00:43:00.400
It took me a long time, it took me 10 years to write the book, and I said, okay, whoever downloaded this into my my my consciousness, I hope your timing is right because this is taking me a long time.
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.440
I've uh I've got to concentrate on teaching people to fly.
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.079
I don't I don't have time to write this book every day.
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:06.639
Okay.
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:16.320
And uh and the official release was two days before uh Steven Spielberg's movie.
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:17.280
Really?
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.239
Yeah.
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:28.239
So that was the official release when we set out the when we when we sent out the uh the the press press release on the book.
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.639
So how long has this book been out?
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:39.440
Uh it it was it was it was the the the the original, it was put on Amazon the first part of March.
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:46.480
And then and then uh I believe it was June June the 9th or something like that.
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.920
It was it was officially released with a press release.
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:50.639
Okay.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:59.840
So do you feel like do you feel like writing in science fiction allows you to push out the ideas that would otherby otherwise be regarded?
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.280
As crazy or conspiratorial?
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:24.000
What it does is it it gets people reading this information without the the uh yeah I could I could have put it out I could have put the book out just as uh do it, you know, uh this is the raw information.
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.239
But a lot of people will not read that.
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.519
They like a story.
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.199
So if you if you put a story with it, well, the same with Star Trek.
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:40.320
You put a story with it, then people become certain people, you know, probably a large portion of the population would be more interested in reading it.
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.880
So that's why I I may I mix the two together uh into that.
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.360
And besides that, the story was downloaded into my consciousness to begin with.
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.760
That's a tell me a little bit more about that.
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.280
How do you how do you feel that uh ideas come to us?
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.039
And what is the name of the thing?
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.159
Yeah, a lot of a lot of ideas come to us from outside of us.
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:06.480
It's not ours, it's not us that that uh that uh that come up with it necessarily.
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:13.760
They they are they come from us from the field, from the consciousness field that humans produce.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:43.360
Um so now we're getting into consciousness and what it really is, and that's a pretty deep subject, but but uh yeah, the humans produce a field uh of consciousness around the planet, and and that field can be tapped into by every individual person, and that's uh that's where a lot of ideas come from.
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:50.159
It it's you know uh when invention happens, when an invention happens, something new comes on.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:57.840
There's always about 10 people that are at the same time are working on the same invention until one gets ahead of the other.
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.480
And that is because that is already in the field.
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.199
And once it's in the field, people pick up on it.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.800
That makes sense.
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:10.800
The ideas just don't just come to one person, it comes to many just to see who's gonna take it the rest of the way.
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:11.679
That's right.
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:25.440
And the secret space program that I talk about in the book, uh at the same time, there was about there were two other writers, authors also writing the same uh about the secret space program.
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:30.159
So there's I think there's three of us now that have that have books out on it.
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.440
Interesting.
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.960
Um totally unrelated, but this is the way I kind of do my questioning.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.840
And uh, we'll just call this question into the weeds.
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.480
That's one of my segments of these shows, is that I I ask these questions that go into the weeds.
00:46:44.960 --> 00:47:06.159
Um all the science fiction writers out there that write about murder, travesty, uh, kidnapping, you name it, all the bad things, all the horrible uh gore-related and or you know murderous type of things.
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.480
How are those people not locked up?
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:15.440
How come they can write about such things that come into their head and they're not just examined?
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.519
Uh I uh I don't know.
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:27.760
I've deliberately stayed away from those books, uh because they're not my thing.
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:35.039
So uh and I and I I well, first of all, I wouldn't want to see them locked up because I believe in freedom of speech.
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:47.840
Oh, so yeah, so um the uh so if that's their thing and that's what they want to write about, and if they have an audience, then fine, go ahead and do it.
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:55.840
That's the funny part, is that uh that type of thinking, that type of uh genre or whatever is highly regarded.
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:07.679
People love to read about other people's problems, or even if they're fictitious, especially if they're factitious, love to hear the the gore and the the guts and the betrayal and all that stuff.
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.519
But no, that was just one of my odd questions I like to throw out there.
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.719
Um, yeah, I know there probably isn't enough time for this question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.519
That's all right.
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.519
We we can go a little over if you want.
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.000
Who do you who do you think runs the world?
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:24.400
Okay.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.440
Are you familiar with the uh Anunnaki and Zacharias Stitchin?
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.199
And yes.
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.559
If you're not, you'd need to read.
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:43.920
Uh I would say, even though it's probably not a hundred percent accurate, read read Zacharias Stitchin.
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:44.480
Okay.
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.960
Okay, and that will give you a really good idea who runs the world.
00:48:49.599 --> 00:49:08.480
Uh, what Zacharias Stitchin did is he uh is he deciphered the uh the ancient Sumerian texts, and it talks all about the Sumerians coming to Earth and genetically modifying the the beings that were here at the time.
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:18.639
And uh and uh that's uh and I think he's got about I don't know eight or ten books that he's written.
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.760
And uh let me take a look here.
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.920
Uh yeah, there's one there.
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.760
Can I put it in the camera?
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:26.960
Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:27.840
Uh okay.
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.000
There's one there, it is the 12th planet.
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.079
I'd say that's probably one of the better ones.
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:33.679
The 12th planet.
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.679
Yeah, it's called the 12th planet.
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:36.239
Yeah.
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.679
Uh that's probably one of the better ones that he's written.
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.960
Uh the uh let me see here.
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.159
Uh okay, yeah.
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.880
But anyway, he talks about all the gods, and the gods were the Anunnaki that came to Earth.
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.760
And they were controlling, genetically modifying and controlling humanity.
00:49:58.159 --> 00:49:59.119
Makes sense.
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.079
And I believe that we've been controlled ever since, although not necessarily by the Anunnaki.
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:09.760
I think they turned the control over to the reptilians who were here when the Anunnaki got here.
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.239
They were they predate the humans.
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:22.239
And I believe that it was it's probably the reptilians that are controlling them, controlling the planet up until very, very recently.
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.000
And I think they've been defeated.
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:25.280
By whom?
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:37.360
By a group calling themselves uh the Earth, the Earth Alliance, I think is what the term is that some people use, but um, in conjunction with help from the Federation.
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:38.239
Okay.
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:48.559
And I think that they have overthrown, and and that's uh, and uh I believe that they've uh overthrown the uh the uh the reptilian power structure.
00:50:48.960 --> 00:51:03.760
So do you believe these reptilian people are the the uh demonic dipshits that are in our government in our yes, I believe that they're reptilian, I believe that they are reptilian hybrids.
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.000
Um is is what I believe.
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:08.639
Okay.
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.800
Well that to me that makes sense.
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.800
Like I said, alternative thinking theories here, not conspiracy theories.
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.719
I think anything is possible.
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:30.960
I think that could be one of the things that they're hiding down in Antarctica is yeah, I've heard of a giant hole that leads down into basically another planet, or at least a gateway to not another planet, but another section of our planet.
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:32.639
Yeah, inner Earth, yeah.
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:38.880
Inner Earth, and I believe there's the ice wall down in Antarctica that keeps us from seeing something else.
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.800
There's a lot of a lot of different uh rabbit holes we can go down with the reptilian theory.
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, there are.
00:51:47.679 --> 00:52:06.800
But yeah, I think that's uh that's a very interesting point, and I'd love to have you back on as a guest again just to talk on these different alternative theories as to who runs who runs the planet, why are they doing things the way they do, and are we just sheep that are just what are we here for?
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.239
What are we being used for?
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:16.000
Well, there's there's a lot of different things I believe that we are we are here for.
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:31.280
Um the the reptilians use us as everything from a uh uh a food source to a uh uh a source of uh of maintaining a certain level of uh of technology.
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:39.440
Um uh I believe the reptilians were at least initially behind the secret space program.
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:46.800
I'm not too sure they have much influence now on it, but I believe they were because they wanted to have that.
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:57.039
They probably had lost over the thousands of years, they had lost the technology, and now they were bringing it back through the secret space program that they could utilize themselves.
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:57.599
Okay.
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.719
Uh so uh I believe they were in control of it.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.440
I'm not too sure how much control they have today.
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:11.519
Uh, but uh it's uh the uh yeah, where was it another question?
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:13.360
Oh, yeah, I know what it was.
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:22.480
Um uh another another reason that that earth exists is for the development of the humans.
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:36.800
Uh the human being needs to have uh duality, needs to have friction to be able to evolve, evolve their soul.
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:45.119
So, in a sense, uh having us on a planet that's controlled by the reptilians provides that uh also.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:51.360
And I believe that eventually we are going we are going to evolve the earth into a much higher consciousness.
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.400
Well, in fact, we're not eventually, we're doing it now.
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:57.039
And and in how in what way?
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:13.440
Because I feel like the the way that we develop a higher consciousness is also brought about by the the uh the legalization of psychedelics, bringing back all the things that actually expand our minds, expand the brain power we actually have.
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.199
Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that brings about consciousness.
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.079
I just wonder if that brings about extra awareness then.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:28.480
Um uh the the human the human the human being on a planet is evolving.
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:34.800
Now, psychedelic psychedelics is one way to expand one's consciousness.
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.800
But that consciousness can be expanded without them.
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:45.360
It's a little more work, it's a little more work, but it can be expanded with without using the psychedelics.
00:54:45.599 --> 00:55:18.320
And I believe that that is probably, I think there's a use for them, but I think overall uh humanity will evolve uh without the use of psychedelics is just as we move into this area of of uh uh I really say higher uh less dense area of the of the soul of the uh galaxy, um it will almost come naturally after a while to humans to have this higher level of consciousness.
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:24.800
Yeah, say through prayer, meditation, ways to calm your spirit, calm your soul.
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:40.960
I feel like there's so many thousands of distractions, whether it's through your phone, social media, videos, news media, every single thing is trying to get your attention and keep you unfocused and unattractive to your own being.
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.880
That's exactly correct.
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:44.000
Yes, yes.
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.519
You uh you need to uh and it's very difficult to do.
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:54.400
I I have a hard time doing it because I'm uh I'm uh uh what should I say on a uh a knowledge act.
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.119
Um I'm addicted to knowledge.
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:57.679
Yeah.
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:05.840
So it is very difficult sometimes just to say, okay, I'm not gonna not gonna watch uh today, you know.
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:13.280
It is difficult to do, but uh, but if you focus yourself and um I know that's true, meditation.
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.519
I think Oh, absolutely.
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:16.639
Absolutely.
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:23.199
Um the the video feed kind of paused here, so I don't know if you're you're still okay.
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.159
There we go.
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:24.880
Sorry about that.
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.519
Yeah, um I I think social media is probably oh pardon me, Karen.
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:38.159
Meditation is is is one of the best ways to evolve, to use it as a as a way of evolving your consciousness.
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:39.519
Oh, absolutely.
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.199
I totally believe that.
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.719
I've started to meditate here in the last few months.
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:50.159
Um it's hard to get into, but you just kind of have to just let it be what it is.
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.039
That's right.
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.480
A lot of things going on in your head, try to calm it, quiet it down.
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.159
It that's the reason why you're you're not connected, is because you've got all these things whipping around in there.
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:01.039
That's right.
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:12.000
I I found that for me, listening to bineural beats helped uh a lot, and now I'm to the point where I don't even have to listen to them anymore.
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:20.000
Uh helped a lot in calming my mind and and focusing um on my meditation.
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:21.280
Interesting.
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:27.360
Yeah, I'm starting to experiment with some different things, but um yeah, we're on the same page there.
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:36.480
One thing I want to say before this podcast concludes is we probably lost a lot of viewers' minds.
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:41.360
I feel like a lot of viewers are very closed off to the ideas that we've spoken about today.
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:46.480
You know, reptilians, different moon landings, uh, all that stuff.
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:53.119
I want the people that are listening to know that this older gentleman that you're listening to has a wealth of knowledge.
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.079
He has a wealth of beliefs, he has a creative mind.
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:05.360
Just because he offers up an idea, a notion that you've never thought of does not make him crazy, does not make me crazy.
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.280
That's the whole point of this podcast is to explore these different ideas.
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:15.119
So I don't want people to think, oh my god, they're talking about aliens, oh my god, they're talking about reptilian people.
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:16.320
I'm shutting this shit off.
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:17.599
This doesn't make any sense.
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.519
If you stuck through this whole time, I appreciate you listening.
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:30.320
Uh, I believe a lot of what David Brandon has said today, and I think it's all food for thought, more or less.
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.199
So with that, I know we're we're up to an hour here, so I'm gonna let you go.
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:40.320
But um, where can people find out more about you, your book?
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:48.719
Uh is there a website or social media outlet that people can get a hold of you or try to talk to you or just know more about you?
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:50.800
Uh yes, there uh there is.
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.760
It's uh Rings of Saturn, Enemy Within.
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:04.320
Uh and uh it's uh on all uh online bookstores, Amazon, and all the rest of the online bookstores carry it.
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.760
Uh it's uh and also I have a website.
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.159
Uh it's called rings of saturn.ca.
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:12.000
Ringsofsaturn.ca.
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.440
If you go in there, you can email me or contact me if you wish, anybody who wishes to do so.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:29.119
Um and I would tell you, I'll also say that the book is about pretty much about everything we've been talking about today in fiction form, science fiction form.
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.760
Okay, and uh it makes for uh uh an interesting read.
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:35.920
Um most people have read it.
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.159
Well, I had one lady say that after she read it, she says, that's not fiction.
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.000
She says, That's the truth.
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.480
So uh yeah.
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:47.440
Yeah.
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:48.320
Okay.
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:53.199
Well, I thank you again for joining me on this Saturday morning, and uh, I wish you have a good day.
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.000
If you stick around for just a minute, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop the recording, but I want to ask you a couple more things.
00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.199
Okay, yeah.
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.639
All right, so David Brandon, it's been a pro it's been a pleasure.
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Thank you for having me.
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You bet
