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Hi everybody and welcome to The Hanley Effect.
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I'm John Dyben. I'm Rachel Docekal. How you doing,
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Dr. D? I'm good, Dr. D. How are you? I'm great.
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We're in, you know, we're trying something new.
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It's a different thing. And so normally it's
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not awkward at all, this part where we're just
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chatting because people can't yet see that there's
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another person here. But right now we're making
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our guest feel as awkward as humanly possible.
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We're looking right past her as if she is not
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here. I love the challenge. I knew you would.
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We are really, really honored to have you here
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today. Catherine is the CEO of NAMI Palm Beach
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County. And if you're not familiar with NAMI,
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that's the National Alliance for Mental Illness.
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It is an amazing organization, and I'll let you
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talk about it. But, Catherine, we want to thank
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you, first of all, for being here, for being
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with us, for putting up with our antics. There
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were a lot of antics before we started, and you're
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a good sport. I'm going to come back if you let
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me. It's a lot of fun. It is, right? Okay. And
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we've got more antics to come. We don't have
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to stop. But we love, you know, thank you for
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being here. We love to have people tell us a
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little bit about. who they are and what they're
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doing now. And then we really love to know whatever
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you're happy to share with us about your journey
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that got you to where you are today. Catherine,
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welcome and thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much.
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I'm so excited to be here. And I also don't know
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where to look, so I'll just kind of go back and
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forth. But yeah, I grew up in Palm Beach County.
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I went to school right here in Palm Beach Gardens
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at Gardens High School. I went to Belvedere Elementary
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School in the Belvedere Bee. So I have a lot
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of time here in Palm Beach County and have just...
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Really enjoyed building my career here. But I
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went to school at the Evergreen State College
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in Olympia, Washington. And that really helped
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to set the course for my professional career.
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I received a bachelor in liberal arts and I was
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very interested in public health initiatives.
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So HIV prevention, public health, women's health.
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And so I did a lot of projects through running
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the community health project. the Women's Center.
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I got involved in the Office of Sexual Assault.
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And so I was just really interested. This is
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an undergraduate student. It's amazing. So it's
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amazing. Evergreen's an incredible college. And
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I just took a lot of leadership roles in trying
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to promote health, especially on campus and then
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in the greater community. And so some of the
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projects I worked on were volunteering with our
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local HIV AIDS organization, doing testing and
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counseling, and also volunteering with Thurston
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County Syringe Exchange. And that was really
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pivotal in my understanding of harm reduction.
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Yes. And of really understanding meeting people
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where they're at and trying to just. you know,
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help them for the best possible outcome and then
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connecting to care. But those are really important
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experiences for me, especially working in syringe
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exchange. And we'd work in these kind of interesting
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parking lots outside of, you know, big box stores
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and families would pull up, you know, sometimes
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with kids in the car and, you know, just like
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very heartbreaking things. And, you know, it
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just felt so much for individuals who were trying
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to do what they could to help themselves and
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improve their outcomes. So that really stuck
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with me. And when I moved back to Florida, After
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I graduated, I've worked in a couple of different
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nonprofits working within mentoring programs
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and just always was interested in community health
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education. And then I was very excited when I
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got brought on to NAMI almost 10 years ago now.
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Started as program director and then three years
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ago I was promoted to CEO. So it's been a bit
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of a journey there. It is an amazing journey.
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It's funny, beforehand we were talking about
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it, and I wouldn't do a commercial for Evergreen
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State College, but it's funny. It's a place I've
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never been, but everybody I know who's been there,
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part of that, has these incredible stories and
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incredible passion for making the world a better
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place. So I don't know anything about it, but
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I'm going to find out about this place that you
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guys are going to. NAMI. Can you tell us a little
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bit about NAMI and as an organization in general,
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but then also here in Palm Beach County, where
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your home and your focus is, what is NAMI? Absolutely.
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So we're the nation's largest grassroots mental
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health nonprofit. NAMI was started in 1979. And
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if you can imagine the parents and loved ones
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of people with serious mental illness at that
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time, it was a very desperate situation. For
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our 40th anniversary, I was going through all
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of our old records and I found just these very
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desperate letters from people. I found all of
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this information about them looking to find people
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who were missing. who had serious mental illness.
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So we didn't have all the technology then. And
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so the families were just so desperate and their
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loved ones would just go missing and they had
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no way to find them. And so it really came out
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of this desperation and this need and they came
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together. All these support groups from around
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the country met up in Madison, Wisconsin in 1979,
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and they formed one national organization. We
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were doing that locally. We had a support group.
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It was meeting at Mental Health America. And
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then in 1983, we joined the national organization.
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So we were just doing exactly what people all
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across the country were doing at that time. That's
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fascinating, though. The loss of loved ones is
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what led to NAMI being created. I had no idea.
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And that never would have been my guess. You
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know, wow, that's a powerful place to start.
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And families were still being blamed at that
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time for their loved one and the behaviors and,
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you know, the experience of having schizophrenia
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in the late 70s was just, you know, very dire.
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And that's really what NAMI came from is, you
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know, really trying to, the families coming together
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to help the people who maybe didn't know that
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they needed help. Maybe the help wasn't available
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or wasn't competent. So it really was just the
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families needing each other. So 1983, we formed
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as part of the larger organization. So we've
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been going strong and, you know, NAMI started
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with the family caregiver. But then, of course,
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with the rise of the disability rights movement,
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nothing about us without us, NAMI's gone really
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strong into the peer delivered services as well.
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So for people who is because there's a lot of
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it's a very broad audience. What does that phrase
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mean? Nothing about us without us. So, you know,
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the people who have the conditions, whether,
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you know, whatever disability or condition that
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is, they should really be providing the insight.
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and leading the way. You know, the family caregivers,
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the professionals, they're all important, but
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the voice of the people who are going through
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it is what really matters as we're trying to
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figure out how to provide that support. It's
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such a beautiful thing because, and it's funny,
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I didn't, I guess I've probably known this, but
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I don't think about it a lot. NAMI has been around
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for a long time. And the idea of, if you go back
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to the 70s, I mean, mental health was really
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people who had no mental health disorder. There
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was no concept of having a person who actually
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struggled with something have a voice in understanding
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it or treating it. Much less human rights. I
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mean, people were treated just terribly, terribly.
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This resonates particularly with us. As you know,
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Hanley has 10 inpatient mental health beds. And
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so for us, this is a big part of our practice
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and ensuring that our patients are treated with
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respect and with dignity and are part of that
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therapeutic alliance is really, really just a
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critical component. It's at the core of what
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we do as well. And actually in our bylaws, 50
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% of our board of directors have to have lived
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experience. So either they themselves have a
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condition or they love and care about somebody
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who has one, just to make sure that we're always
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centered. We have a peer council and their president
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is appointed to our board of directors. And it's
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just to make sure that the people who are receiving
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the services or the people who are impacted by
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these conditions have a voice at every level
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of the organization. I love that. It speaks to
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the reality that people are people and our conditions
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are not who we are. Yeah. But everybody with
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an experience has to have a voice or else you're
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just going to end up with, you know. So thinking
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about as a so I'm a person who has people who
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I love in my life who have struggled. with mental
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conditions, mental disorders, who've struggled
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with addiction, who've struggled with, and I
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know a lot of people listening. Well, you know,
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be in that boat. What are some of the things
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that NAMI has that they could access here in
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Palm Beach County, some of the resources that
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might be helpful for them? So for the family
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caregivers, we have a lot. We were started by
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the family caregivers. Our programs are led by
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and for family caregivers and the family suite.
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And if I could kind of break it down a little
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bit further from the top. We divide out generally
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family programs, peer programs, and then kind
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of blended or community programs. And then within
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the family and peer programs, we have classes
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and support groups. So there's a complementary
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program on each side. So for the families. So
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so so family members and people that they're
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going through in the person's affection are they're
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going through things at the same time. And it
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really works very well when when the family and
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the loved one who has the condition are both
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in our programming because they learn a common
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language. That's brilliant. So and that looks
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like we have the family support group and we
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have the peer support group. We have the family
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to family course and the peer to peer course.
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So they learn about communication techniques.
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I statements versus you statements, reflective
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responses, really, you know, talking to listen
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to each other and hearing what the other person's
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saying. And, you know, sometimes if a peer will
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go through a program and their family member
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is still speaking to them in a way that doesn't,
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you know, hit right, you know, there might be
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a little conflict there. But when both parties
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are participating in the programs, they have
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a shared language and a shared understanding.
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Yeah, that's so powerful. I love that. Yeah,
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so powerful. So then within the family suite,
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we have the support groups. Every Wednesday night,
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we have a support group on Zoom so people can
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jump onto that. And it really, it's increased
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access. Before the pandemic, we met all across
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the county in various locations. And it'd be
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once a month. You'd have to drive. A lot of the
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family members we serve are elderly. They might
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have adult children. And so that's really increased
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access for them. So that's every Wednesday night.
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They can just go online and join us and learn
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from other family caregivers. Tell us your website
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so that somebody who's listening knows how to
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access this. That's NAMIPBC .org. And I don't
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know if you broadcast outside of the county.
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A great thing. And a lot of family caregivers,
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they, you know, or their loved one might, you
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know, be someplace else for treatment. So the
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great thing about NAMI is you could also search,
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find your local NAMI, look for a support group
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and find one near you. Yes. So good. So if, you
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know, you have people here receiving treatment,
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but their family's living in another state or
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another county, they could find their local NAMI.
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And that's the power of NAMI is that there are
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over 600 throughout the country. In Florida,
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we have 20 NAMIs and the program will be similar
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where you are. So we have fidelity to a model.
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So if you're doing a family support group in
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Connecticut or California or West Palm Beach,
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it should be led in that same way. That is so
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important. I hope everybody heard that. That's
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a beautiful, beautiful model. It's funny, you're
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talking about the online group. I remember prior
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to the pandemic, we all thought, everybody thought,
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like, that stuff's never going to work. I'm a
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family therapist, and the first time I was going
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to do family therapy in Zoom, I thought this
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is going to be a nightmare. And I have found
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these meetings are incredible. Incredibly powerful
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and effectual. Have you found that too? Of course,
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yeah. You know, and it was a bit of a learning
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curve in the beginning. I had to walk a lot of
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people through utilizing Zoom. You probably still
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have some you have to. You know, we try to help
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people along. I would actually get online and
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do practice sessions with people. If they wanted
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to join a group and they weren't sure, I'd take
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time. I'd say, let's practice getting on Zoom
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all. schedule a meeting and work with you on
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this. Because we really try to increase the access
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for people so that they can participate fully.
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I love that. So Hanley is collaborating with
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NAMI. You want to talk a little bit about that?
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Yeah. So we have an incredible partnership right
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now. We've been working with young women who
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are at the Department of Juvenile Justice, offering
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them a support group. And within that group,
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we do a lot of skills from a novel program we
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created locally, which is called Integrative
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Resilience Training. And so we're bringing different
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techniques into the DJJ and working on, you know,
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really understanding their responses to the adversity
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that they face and what is in their control,
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what they techniques that they can use from anywhere,
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you know, free, easy things that you can do,
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breathing techniques, butterfly tapping, you
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know, all sorts of just different regulation,
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mindfulness techniques. And that's just been
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really incredible. We had one young woman say,
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you know, I never thought I would like meditation,
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but now it started to resonate with her. We also
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do an activity around, like I said, understanding
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what is within your control and what is not.
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And so, you know, we use different like hand
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models and help them to just understand a little
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bit more in a tactile sense. And it really works
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well with young people. And one of the things
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that my colleague will do is showing people kind
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of the hand model of the brain and understanding,
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you know, you have your prefrontal cortex and,
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you know, you've got your little lizard brain
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inside. lose kind of control. You flip your lid
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and you have your lizard brain responding. And
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they really love that, you know, because they
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can relate. I'm stealing that. Why have I not
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seen that? It's a really neat thing because,
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and one of the students mentioned that, you know,
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that that really stood out to her because, you
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know, if somebody experiences. you know, some
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anger or, you know, just emotional responses.
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And then it can make sense. So it really normalizes
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the different emotions that you're going through.
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And it's so powerful because especially as kids,
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but even, you know, we, when it's adolescence,
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you know, they, when they, they have that moment
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of flipping their lid and, and, you know, so
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often I see these great kids, you know, I've
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raised some of these great, great kids and they,
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they flipped at our lids and because they are
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just wonderful, they're, they're like, oh. I
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can't believe I did that. What's wrong with me?
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And man, when you understand it's not you. That's
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just what happened in your brain. You're more
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than that. You are still that wonder. That is
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so powerful because so many kids, especially
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in a juvenile justice system, which, you know,
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they've already got, you know, they're labeled
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and branded. There are going to be a whole lot
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of people saying, no, when you lost your temper.
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That doesn't define who you are. You're more
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than that. So that's, that just, I don't know.
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That just really moved me. I still have, you
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know, I've raised an adult daughter and I have
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a teenage daughter still. And that just, just
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really fills me with gratitude because that's
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a powerful thing to give to someone. You are
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not your mistakes. You are not your problems,
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your struggles, your disorder, any of that. You're
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more than that. I love that. Sorry. That just
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got me really excited. That's what was one of
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our principles as well is we see the individual,
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not the condition. And we work with the families
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on that. We work on the individuals themselves.
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A lot of stigma is self -stigma. You know, many
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people, they don't want to be labeled. I used
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to do a lot of tabling when I was in programs
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and people would walk by and they'd see the name
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mental illness and be like, I don't have a mental
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illness. I'm not crazy. And then they might say,
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but I have bipolar disorder. And so it's really
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helping people to feel like it doesn't matter
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what the label is. You know, what matters is
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connecting to the support or the resources or
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the tools, whatever it is that works for that
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person. So, you know, having a label is not so
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important, but what is it that you're going through
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and how can NAMI support you to go through that?
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You know, at Hanley, the vast majority of our
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patients come in with some sort of co -occurring
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mental illness. And, you know, we always talk
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about, you know, was it the chicken or the egg,
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which really came first. So, you know, this approach
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that you take is so critically, critically important.
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I'm just going to toot your horn a little bit.
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You all have come up with and put some pretty
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innovative programming on here in Palm Beach
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County that is not available in the other, what
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is it, 599 NAMI locations. Talk about yourself
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a little bit and some of the work that you've
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been able to bring forward here in Palm Beach.
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We're very lucky to have you here. well i mean
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we're so lucky to be situated here in palm beach
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county the resources and the support that we
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have but we're so excited last year we started
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to do a pilot on this new family communication
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series and now with some new support we're looking
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to roll it out and to really be able to offer
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this on a broader level but it's called Best
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Practices for Family Communication. And we're
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doing a series of different programs. One of
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those is the family to family program I spoke
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about earlier, which is a lot about communication
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and understanding how mental health. impacts
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the brain, how medications work on mental health.
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There is some information on co -occurring disorder
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and supporting your family member through those
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challenges. And also at NAMI, side note, we talk
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a lot about cannabis -induced psychosis or other
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co -occurring issues within the program. So we're
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also offering the... Of course, I was talking
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about earlier integrative resilience training,
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which is something that was created here by Cheryl
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Checkers and Amanda Kopaz. And they created that
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program so that people could look at how do I
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work on those challenges that I faced in my life?
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How can I build those positive coping skills
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and overcome those challenges and face it day
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to day? And, you know, a lot of the family caregivers,
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they face a lot. And so we help to train them
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to. support themselves and to support their loved
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one. And then LEAP, I don't know if you've heard
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of Dr. Javier Amador. He created the LEAP method,
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listen, empathize, agree, partner. And it's a
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technique for working with people who are not
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yet ready to get help or they don't think that
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they need help. A lot of the people, a lot of
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the family caregivers who come to us, their loved
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one thinks that they're the problem. Right. Of
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course. Or, you know, they just don't see it
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or they don't want the help. And so how do you
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as a family member deal with that? How do you
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cope with that? And so we teach a lot of communication
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skills on just meeting the person where they're
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at and trying to work with them while protecting
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yourself and protecting the family and, you know,
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having those wellness resources. And then the
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newest one is called Psychosis Reach. And it
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comes out of the University of Washington. And
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so we've made a modified version of that. One
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of our local volunteers, she's a family ambassador
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with the University of Washington Psychosis Reach
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Program. And so within that program, we talk
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to family members about what is it like to live
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with somebody who has psychosis? How do you communicate
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with them? been a really game -changing program
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for us. And it's not something that a lot of
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people have access to. And so after they go through
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our introductory program, we connect them to
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the university so that they can then go and take
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the full program with University of Washington.
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I had not heard about this. So yeah, because
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we were just, you know, doing the pilot last
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year and then seeing how it went. And now it
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went so well that we're excited to roll it out.
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John, let's just stop for one second, though,
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and talk about this marijuana, cannabis -induced
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psychosis. This is something that we are seeing
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a lot on Hanley's campus. Do you want to talk
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about this a little bit? Well, I know that we
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get calls from family members, and if we ask
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them, is there drug use involved, they might
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not think about the cannabis part. That's right.
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Medical professionals might not. Yeah, that's
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right. For some people, if they have a genetic
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predisposition to psychosis and then you use
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a substance like cannabis, it can actually trigger
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those symptoms. It was about eight or nine years
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ago, maybe even longer, that I saw a patient
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with cannabis -induced psychosis, which it wasn't
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even called that back then. There wasn't it.
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So it was probably longer than 19 years ago.
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But I remember him very distinctly. He was a
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young man in his 20s. And and he, you know, all
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reports he'd had a psychotic break is a street
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guy, very successful, well -educated, no history
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of anything that people knew of. But high dose,
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high frequency THC ever since, you know, he was
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about 14. And I didn't believe no one did. We
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didn't. He said the only thing he didn't even
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drink alcohol, nothing. And the family confirmed
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it. The drug tests confirm it, everything. We
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didn't believe it. We thought, no, there's got
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to be something. You're partying with some drug
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that we're not finding. Because nobody 15 years
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ago, even less than that, had any idea that the,
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you know, the psychoactive drug in marijuana,
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THC, it is not, you know, your dad's joint anymore,
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right? You know, mom and dad in the 80s were
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smoking joints and they were getting five to
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seven percent, maybe. You know, today you can
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go and you can get a vape with almost 100 percent
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THC. It is in the high frequency, high dose.
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We have in our inpatient mental health program
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at least one patient presenting with this almost
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all the time. All the time. Now, the good news
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is, and these are most all the time young people,
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usually under 30. You know, we're getting them
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back, but it's taking months and months. I mean,
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it is very dangerous. Very, very dangerous. I
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think a lot needs to be done for the prevention
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and the education of it. I think just a lot of
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people see it as innocuous and don't realize
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that this could be a trigger and it could be
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something that is making the problem worse. Especially
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when it's called medical marijuana. Right. But
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this particular young man, you know, it was a
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physician. It was a medical doctor that referred
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him. And in a conversation with the physician,
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right. Very well credentialed. And she said,
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you know, everything made me think that this
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was some sort of drug -induced psychosis. But
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the only thing he does is smoke weed. So it can't
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be that. And so I think the prevention part of
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this and the education part of this is so critical
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because there's so much misinformation and misunderstanding.
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And there's also been a lot of, there was also
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a lot of fear mongering, right? So now people
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are like, I'm not going to listen to anything
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you people say about, you know, to cannabis.
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But I couldn't agree more. That's why what you're
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doing and what we all do together in education
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and prevention is so critical. It's critical.
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It's critical. Catherine, you brought a book
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to share with us. The same thing. So we have
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this incredible luncheon coming up. Our keynote
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speaker is Major General Greg Martin, and he
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has a doctorate, two master's degrees from MIT,
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an incredible military career. And he credits
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a lot of that to his bipolar disorder, fueling
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him along his path. And there came a point where
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he had to resign from the military. And then
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he has come out about his bipolar journey. And
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he wrote this book, The Bipolar General. He's
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going to be the keynote speaker at our annual
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luncheon on December 11th. And so we just want
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to make sure everybody knows about that and has
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the opportunity to come out and hear him speak
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because it's a really incredible journey. He
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had a lot of resilience. He's been through a
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lot and achieved a lot. And I think it is important
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to, you know, showcase the successes that, you
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know, many people who have bipolar disorder or
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other conditions, the wonderful things that they
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can achieve in spite of or, you know, alongside
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their condition. Someone wanted tickets. That's
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what I was going to say. That's twice. I know.
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No, we're getting synced up. It's good. If someone
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wants tickets. They can come to our website,
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.339
NAMIPVC .org. Okay. All right. Great. How much
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are tickets? Well, if you become a NAMI member,
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you get a discount. We love our members. Okay.
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All right. Good. So I think the member rate is
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$100. Wonderful. It's a bargain. 100%. You get
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to see a wonderful speaker. And is he going to
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sell books? Yes. We'll do a book signing afterwards.
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So I know when I saw him speaking, I thought,
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wow, this man is incredible. And we went up and
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met him and he signed my book. And, you know,
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I just kept thinking about his talk and, you
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know, what he'd been through and the challenges
00:26:14.380 --> 00:26:16.880
he'd overcome and, you know, just how much he'd
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achieved in his life and invited him down to
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speak for us. And I was so excited when he said
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yes. So we're just very excited to have him here.
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.680
So I think everyone will love him and want to
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get their book signed by him. I love it. So great.
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In a time where there's so much divide, right?
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And there's so much separation and so much brokenness
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and relationship. The effort to bring our commonalities
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together, to recognize, like have these moments
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that every single one that we're all in this
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human journey together is just something that
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I think is so beautiful. And it's a part of.
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When I think it's not just, you know, helping
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families who are struggling with mental illness.
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It really, this whole work really is about bringing,
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restoring relationships and making us all know
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that we're human. And I love that. Tell us, we're
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coming. Oh man, I'm sorry. I'm the bad guy. No,
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you're the bad guy. We're coming to our final
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minutes. And so. Two things. One, I want to make
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sure that anything else that our listeners hear,
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anything else that you want to announce about
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NAMI, about things that are coming up. So if
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we've missed anything, I want to give you a chance
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to say those things so people can know what's
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coming. And everybody just remember NAMIPBC .org.
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Go there because if you miss anything, you'll
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see lots of things that are coming up. But also
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we like to just hear from you and thinking about
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the audience, it's a wide range of people, but
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what is one thing for the last word that you
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would like for folks to hear from you today?
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A lot of times, especially in the family group
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or the family classes, they say, well, how come
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mental health isn't treated like other conditions?
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How come we don't have the same type of awareness
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campaigns? How come it's not as okay to talk
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about it? And we're really changing that. I don't
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know if anyone's heard of the Get Your Green
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On campaign, but it's this incredible county
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-wide campaign that we do in Palm Beach County.
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And it's the whole month of May we talk about
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mental health. And so that's just been so heartwarming
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to see how many people throughout Palm Beach
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County are now becoming more aware of mental
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health and recognizing how important it is and
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important and valuable to talk about it. Then
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we also have our walk. We have over 700 people
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come out for NAMI walks, and those are people
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who are impacted by conditions or caregivers,
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but also the general public who wants to come
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out and support. And it is so meaningful to the
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people that we serve to see all of that support
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at the walk. When is your walk? It's November
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1st, so you can come walk off your Halloween
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candy. Okay. All right. Wake up bright and early
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after Halloween. It's at John Prince Park in
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Lake Worth. It's a wonderful event. It's a great
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way to communicate with the community. I'll be
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there. November is going to be a good month.
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That's going to be a great start to the month.
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I'll be there. Wonderful. We can't wait to see
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you. Hanley is always there at the walk. We appreciate
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your support. So we just love seeing all of our
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community partners. You can come out with your
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t -shirts and bring signs or whatever you like.
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So that's a great way to show the mental health
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community that. There is a lot of support. Yes.
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Yes. This was great. Thank you for coming. We
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could have kept talking for another hour. I know.
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And maybe we will just need to do that. Have
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you come back. We really do appreciate you being
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here and also all that you do for our community
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and for... Kind of the big picture. This has
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really helped me remember that there's an even
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bigger picture that you're contributing to. So
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thank you. Thank you, Dr. Dosicle, as always.
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Thank you, Dr. Diamond. I really like your pink
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shirt. Thank you. Hanley. Oh, look at that. Yeah.
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Wait a minute. My Hanley shirt. How does she
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get fancy Hanley stuff? All right. I don't know
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where any camera is, but for anybody who is watching
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or listening, it's right there. Hey, how you
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doing? Thank you for being here. We look forward
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to seeing you next time on The Hanley Effect.
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Bye, everyone. Thank you for joining us for The
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Hanley Effect. To learn more about our programs,
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visit HanleyFoundation .org or call 844 -502
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Hi everybody and welcome to The Hanley Effect.
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I'm John Dyben. I'm Rachel Docekal. How you doing,
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Dr. D? I'm good, Dr. D. How are you? I'm great.
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We're in, you know, we're trying something new.
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It's a different thing. And so normally it's
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not awkward at all, this part where we're just
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chatting because people can't yet see that there's
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another person here. But right now we're making
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our guest feel as awkward as humanly possible.
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We're looking right past her as if she is not
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here. I love the challenge. I knew you would.
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We are really, really honored to have you here
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today. Catherine is the CEO of NAMI Palm Beach
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County. And if you're not familiar with NAMI,
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that's the National Alliance for Mental Illness.
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It is an amazing organization, and I'll let you
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talk about it. But, Catherine, we want to thank
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you, first of all, for being here, for being
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with us, for putting up with our antics. There
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were a lot of antics before we started, and you're
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a good sport. I'm going to come back if you let
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me. It's a lot of fun. It is, right? Okay. And
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we've got more antics to come. We don't have
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to stop. But we love, you know, thank you for
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being here. We love to have people tell us a
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little bit about. who they are and what they're
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doing now. And then we really love to know whatever
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you're happy to share with us about your journey
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that got you to where you are today. Catherine,
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welcome and thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much.
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I'm so excited to be here. And I also don't know
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where to look, so I'll just kind of go back and
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forth. But yeah, I grew up in Palm Beach County.
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I went to school right here in Palm Beach Gardens
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at Gardens High School. I went to Belvedere Elementary
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School in the Belvedere Bee. So I have a lot
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of time here in Palm Beach County and have just...
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Really enjoyed building my career here. But I
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went to school at the Evergreen State College
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in Olympia, Washington. And that really helped
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to set the course for my professional career.
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I received a bachelor in liberal arts and I was
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very interested in public health initiatives.
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So HIV prevention, public health, women's health.
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And so I did a lot of projects through running
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the community health project. the Women's Center.
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I got involved in the Office of Sexual Assault.
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And so I was just really interested. This is
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an undergraduate student. It's amazing. So it's
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amazing. Evergreen's an incredible college. And
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I just took a lot of leadership roles in trying
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to promote health, especially on campus and then
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in the greater community. And so some of the
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projects I worked on were volunteering with our
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local HIV AIDS organization, doing testing and
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counseling, and also volunteering with Thurston
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County Syringe Exchange. And that was really
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pivotal in my understanding of harm reduction.
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Yes. And of really understanding meeting people
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where they're at and trying to just. you know,
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help them for the best possible outcome and then
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connecting to care. But those are really important
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experiences for me, especially working in syringe
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exchange. And we'd work in these kind of interesting
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parking lots outside of, you know, big box stores
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and families would pull up, you know, sometimes
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with kids in the car and, you know, just like
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very heartbreaking things. And, you know, it
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just felt so much for individuals who were trying
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to do what they could to help themselves and
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improve their outcomes. So that really stuck
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with me. And when I moved back to Florida, After
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I graduated, I've worked in a couple of different
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nonprofits working within mentoring programs
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and just always was interested in community health
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education. And then I was very excited when I
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got brought on to NAMI almost 10 years ago now.
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Started as program director and then three years
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ago I was promoted to CEO. So it's been a bit
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of a journey there. It is an amazing journey.
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It's funny, beforehand we were talking about
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it, and I wouldn't do a commercial for Evergreen
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State College, but it's funny. It's a place I've
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never been, but everybody I know who's been there,
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part of that, has these incredible stories and
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incredible passion for making the world a better
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place. So I don't know anything about it, but
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I'm going to find out about this place that you
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guys are going to. NAMI. Can you tell us a little
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bit about NAMI and as an organization in general,
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but then also here in Palm Beach County, where
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your home and your focus is, what is NAMI? Absolutely.
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So we're the nation's largest grassroots mental
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health nonprofit. NAMI was started in 1979. And
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if you can imagine the parents and loved ones
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of people with serious mental illness at that
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time, it was a very desperate situation. For
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our 40th anniversary, I was going through all
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of our old records and I found just these very
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desperate letters from people. I found all of
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this information about them looking to find people
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who were missing. who had serious mental illness.
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So we didn't have all the technology then. And
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so the families were just so desperate and their
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loved ones would just go missing and they had
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no way to find them. And so it really came out
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of this desperation and this need and they came
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together. All these support groups from around
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the country met up in Madison, Wisconsin in 1979,
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and they formed one national organization. We
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were doing that locally. We had a support group.
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It was meeting at Mental Health America. And
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then in 1983, we joined the national organization.
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So we were just doing exactly what people all
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across the country were doing at that time. That's
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fascinating, though. The loss of loved ones is
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what led to NAMI being created. I had no idea.
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And that never would have been my guess. You
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know, wow, that's a powerful place to start.
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And families were still being blamed at that
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time for their loved one and the behaviors and,
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you know, the experience of having schizophrenia
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in the late 70s was just, you know, very dire.
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And that's really what NAMI came from is, you
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know, really trying to, the families coming together
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to help the people who maybe didn't know that
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they needed help. Maybe the help wasn't available
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or wasn't competent. So it really was just the
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families needing each other. So 1983, we formed
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as part of the larger organization. So we've
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been going strong and, you know, NAMI started
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with the family caregiver. But then, of course,
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with the rise of the disability rights movement,
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nothing about us without us, NAMI's gone really
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strong into the peer delivered services as well.
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So for people who is because there's a lot of
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it's a very broad audience. What does that phrase
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mean? Nothing about us without us. So, you know,
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the people who have the conditions, whether,
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you know, whatever disability or condition that
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is, they should really be providing the insight.
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and leading the way. You know, the family caregivers,
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the professionals, they're all important, but
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the voice of the people who are going through
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it is what really matters as we're trying to
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figure out how to provide that support. It's
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such a beautiful thing because, and it's funny,
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I didn't, I guess I've probably known this, but
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I don't think about it a lot. NAMI has been around
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for a long time. And the idea of, if you go back
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to the 70s, I mean, mental health was really
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people who had no mental health disorder. There
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was no concept of having a person who actually
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struggled with something have a voice in understanding
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it or treating it. Much less human rights. I
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mean, people were treated just terribly, terribly.
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This resonates particularly with us. As you know,
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Hanley has 10 inpatient mental health beds. And
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so for us, this is a big part of our practice
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and ensuring that our patients are treated with
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respect and with dignity and are part of that
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therapeutic alliance is really, really just a
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critical component. It's at the core of what
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we do as well. And actually in our bylaws, 50
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% of our board of directors have to have lived
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experience. So either they themselves have a
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condition or they love and care about somebody
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who has one, just to make sure that we're always
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centered. We have a peer council and their president
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is appointed to our board of directors. And it's
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just to make sure that the people who are receiving
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the services or the people who are impacted by
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these conditions have a voice at every level
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of the organization. I love that. It speaks to
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the reality that people are people and our conditions
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are not who we are. Yeah. But everybody with
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an experience has to have a voice or else you're
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just going to end up with, you know. So thinking
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about as a so I'm a person who has people who
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I love in my life who have struggled. with mental
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conditions, mental disorders, who've struggled
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with addiction, who've struggled with, and I
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know a lot of people listening. Well, you know,
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be in that boat. What are some of the things
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that NAMI has that they could access here in
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Palm Beach County, some of the resources that
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might be helpful for them? So for the family
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caregivers, we have a lot. We were started by
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the family caregivers. Our programs are led by
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and for family caregivers and the family suite.
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And if I could kind of break it down a little
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bit further from the top. We divide out generally
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family programs, peer programs, and then kind
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of blended or community programs. And then within
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the family and peer programs, we have classes
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and support groups. So there's a complementary
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program on each side. So for the families. So
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so so family members and people that they're
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going through in the person's affection are they're
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going through things at the same time. And it
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really works very well when when the family and
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the loved one who has the condition are both
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in our programming because they learn a common
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language. That's brilliant. So and that looks
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like we have the family support group and we
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have the peer support group. We have the family
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to family course and the peer to peer course.
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So they learn about communication techniques.
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I statements versus you statements, reflective
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responses, really, you know, talking to listen
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to each other and hearing what the other person's
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saying. And, you know, sometimes if a peer will
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go through a program and their family member
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is still speaking to them in a way that doesn't,
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you know, hit right, you know, there might be
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a little conflict there. But when both parties
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are participating in the programs, they have
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a shared language and a shared understanding.
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Yeah, that's so powerful. I love that. Yeah,
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so powerful. So then within the family suite,
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we have the support groups. Every Wednesday night,
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we have a support group on Zoom so people can
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jump onto that. And it really, it's increased
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access. Before the pandemic, we met all across
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the county in various locations. And it'd be
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once a month. You'd have to drive. A lot of the
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family members we serve are elderly. They might
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have adult children. And so that's really increased
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access for them. So that's every Wednesday night.
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They can just go online and join us and learn
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from other family caregivers. Tell us your website
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so that somebody who's listening knows how to
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access this. That's NAMIPBC .org. And I don't
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know if you broadcast outside of the county.
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A great thing. And a lot of family caregivers,
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they, you know, or their loved one might, you
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know, be someplace else for treatment. So the
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great thing about NAMI is you could also search,
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find your local NAMI, look for a support group
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and find one near you. Yes. So good. So if, you
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know, you have people here receiving treatment,
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but their family's living in another state or
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another county, they could find their local NAMI.
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And that's the power of NAMI is that there are
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over 600 throughout the country. In Florida,
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we have 20 NAMIs and the program will be similar
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where you are. So we have fidelity to a model.
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So if you're doing a family support group in
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Connecticut or California or West Palm Beach,
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it should be led in that same way. That is so
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important. I hope everybody heard that. That's
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a beautiful, beautiful model. It's funny, you're
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talking about the online group. I remember prior
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to the pandemic, we all thought, everybody thought,
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like, that stuff's never going to work. I'm a
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family therapist, and the first time I was going
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to do family therapy in Zoom, I thought this
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is going to be a nightmare. And I have found
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these meetings are incredible. Incredibly powerful
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and effectual. Have you found that too? Of course,
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yeah. You know, and it was a bit of a learning
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curve in the beginning. I had to walk a lot of
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people through utilizing Zoom. You probably still
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have some you have to. You know, we try to help
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people along. I would actually get online and
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do practice sessions with people. If they wanted
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to join a group and they weren't sure, I'd take
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time. I'd say, let's practice getting on Zoom
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all. schedule a meeting and work with you on
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this. Because we really try to increase the access
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for people so that they can participate fully.
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I love that. So Hanley is collaborating with
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NAMI. You want to talk a little bit about that?
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Yeah. So we have an incredible partnership right
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now. We've been working with young women who
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are at the Department of Juvenile Justice, offering
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them a support group. And within that group,
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we do a lot of skills from a novel program we
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created locally, which is called Integrative
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Resilience Training. And so we're bringing different
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techniques into the DJJ and working on, you know,
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really understanding their responses to the adversity
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that they face and what is in their control,
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what they techniques that they can use from anywhere,
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you know, free, easy things that you can do,
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breathing techniques, butterfly tapping, you
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know, all sorts of just different regulation,
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mindfulness techniques. And that's just been
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really incredible. We had one young woman say,
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you know, I never thought I would like meditation,
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but now it started to resonate with her. We also
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do an activity around, like I said, understanding
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what is within your control and what is not.
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And so, you know, we use different like hand
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models and help them to just understand a little
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bit more in a tactile sense. And it really works
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well with young people. And one of the things
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that my colleague will do is showing people kind
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of the hand model of the brain and understanding,
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you know, you have your prefrontal cortex and,
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you know, you've got your little lizard brain
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inside. lose kind of control. You flip your lid
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and you have your lizard brain responding. And
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they really love that, you know, because they
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can relate. I'm stealing that. Why have I not
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seen that? It's a really neat thing because,
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and one of the students mentioned that, you know,
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that that really stood out to her because, you
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know, if somebody experiences. you know, some
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anger or, you know, just emotional responses.
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And then it can make sense. So it really normalizes
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the different emotions that you're going through.
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And it's so powerful because especially as kids,
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but even, you know, we, when it's adolescence,
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you know, they, when they, they have that moment
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of flipping their lid and, and, you know, so
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often I see these great kids, you know, I've
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raised some of these great, great kids and they,
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they flipped at our lids and because they are
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just wonderful, they're, they're like, oh. I
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can't believe I did that. What's wrong with me?
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And man, when you understand it's not you. That's
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just what happened in your brain. You're more
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than that. You are still that wonder. That is
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so powerful because so many kids, especially
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in a juvenile justice system, which, you know,
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they've already got, you know, they're labeled
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and branded. There are going to be a whole lot
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of people saying, no, when you lost your temper.
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That doesn't define who you are. You're more
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than that. So that's, that just, I don't know.
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That just really moved me. I still have, you
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know, I've raised an adult daughter and I have
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a teenage daughter still. And that just, just
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really fills me with gratitude because that's
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a powerful thing to give to someone. You are
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not your mistakes. You are not your problems,
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your struggles, your disorder, any of that. You're
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more than that. I love that. Sorry. That just
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got me really excited. That's what was one of
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our principles as well is we see the individual,
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not the condition. And we work with the families
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on that. We work on the individuals themselves.
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A lot of stigma is self -stigma. You know, many
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people, they don't want to be labeled. I used
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to do a lot of tabling when I was in programs
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and people would walk by and they'd see the name
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mental illness and be like, I don't have a mental
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illness. I'm not crazy. And then they might say,
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but I have bipolar disorder. And so it's really
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helping people to feel like it doesn't matter
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what the label is. You know, what matters is
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connecting to the support or the resources or
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the tools, whatever it is that works for that
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person. So, you know, having a label is not so
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important, but what is it that you're going through
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and how can NAMI support you to go through that?
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You know, at Hanley, the vast majority of our
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patients come in with some sort of co -occurring
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mental illness. And, you know, we always talk
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about, you know, was it the chicken or the egg,
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which really came first. So, you know, this approach
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that you take is so critically, critically important.
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I'm just going to toot your horn a little bit.
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You all have come up with and put some pretty
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innovative programming on here in Palm Beach
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County that is not available in the other, what
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is it, 599 NAMI locations. Talk about yourself
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a little bit and some of the work that you've
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been able to bring forward here in Palm Beach.
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We're very lucky to have you here. well i mean
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we're so lucky to be situated here in palm beach
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county the resources and the support that we
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have but we're so excited last year we started
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to do a pilot on this new family communication
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series and now with some new support we're looking
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to roll it out and to really be able to offer
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this on a broader level but it's called Best
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Practices for Family Communication. And we're
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doing a series of different programs. One of
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those is the family to family program I spoke
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about earlier, which is a lot about communication
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and understanding how mental health. impacts
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the brain, how medications work on mental health.
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There is some information on co -occurring disorder
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and supporting your family member through those
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challenges. And also at NAMI, side note, we talk
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a lot about cannabis -induced psychosis or other
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co -occurring issues within the program. So we're
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also offering the... Of course, I was talking
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about earlier integrative resilience training,
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which is something that was created here by Cheryl
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Checkers and Amanda Kopaz. And they created that
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program so that people could look at how do I
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work on those challenges that I faced in my life?
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How can I build those positive coping skills
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and overcome those challenges and face it day
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to day? And, you know, a lot of the family caregivers,
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they face a lot. And so we help to train them
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to. support themselves and to support their loved
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one. And then LEAP, I don't know if you've heard
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of Dr. Javier Amador. He created the LEAP method,
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listen, empathize, agree, partner. And it's a
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technique for working with people who are not
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yet ready to get help or they don't think that
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they need help. A lot of the people, a lot of
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the family caregivers who come to us, their loved
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one thinks that they're the problem. Right. Of
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course. Or, you know, they just don't see it
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or they don't want the help. And so how do you
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as a family member deal with that? How do you
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cope with that? And so we teach a lot of communication
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skills on just meeting the person where they're
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at and trying to work with them while protecting
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yourself and protecting the family and, you know,
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having those wellness resources. And then the
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newest one is called Psychosis Reach. And it
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comes out of the University of Washington. And
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so we've made a modified version of that. One
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of our local volunteers, she's a family ambassador
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with the University of Washington Psychosis Reach
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Program. And so within that program, we talk
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to family members about what is it like to live
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with somebody who has psychosis? How do you communicate
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with them? been a really game -changing program
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for us. And it's not something that a lot of
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people have access to. And so after they go through
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our introductory program, we connect them to
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the university so that they can then go and take
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the full program with University of Washington.
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I had not heard about this. So yeah, because
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we were just, you know, doing the pilot last
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year and then seeing how it went. And now it
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went so well that we're excited to roll it out.
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John, let's just stop for one second, though,
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and talk about this marijuana, cannabis -induced
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psychosis. This is something that we are seeing
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a lot on Hanley's campus. Do you want to talk
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about this a little bit? Well, I know that we
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get calls from family members, and if we ask
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them, is there drug use involved, they might
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not think about the cannabis part. That's right.
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Medical professionals might not. Yeah, that's
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right. For some people, if they have a genetic
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predisposition to psychosis and then you use
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a substance like cannabis, it can actually trigger
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those symptoms. It was about eight or nine years
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ago, maybe even longer, that I saw a patient
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with cannabis -induced psychosis, which it wasn't
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even called that back then. There wasn't it.
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So it was probably longer than 19 years ago.
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But I remember him very distinctly. He was a
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young man in his 20s. And and he, you know, all
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reports he'd had a psychotic break is a street
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guy, very successful, well -educated, no history
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of anything that people knew of. But high dose,
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high frequency THC ever since, you know, he was
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about 14. And I didn't believe no one did. We
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didn't. He said the only thing he didn't even
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drink alcohol, nothing. And the family confirmed
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it. The drug tests confirm it, everything. We
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didn't believe it. We thought, no, there's got
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to be something. You're partying with some drug
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that we're not finding. Because nobody 15 years
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ago, even less than that, had any idea that the,
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you know, the psychoactive drug in marijuana,
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THC, it is not, you know, your dad's joint anymore,
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right? You know, mom and dad in the 80s were
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smoking joints and they were getting five to
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seven percent, maybe. You know, today you can
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go and you can get a vape with almost 100 percent
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THC. It is in the high frequency, high dose.
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We have in our inpatient mental health program
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at least one patient presenting with this almost
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all the time. All the time. Now, the good news
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is, and these are most all the time young people,
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usually under 30. You know, we're getting them
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back, but it's taking months and months. I mean,
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it is very dangerous. Very, very dangerous. I
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think a lot needs to be done for the prevention
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and the education of it. I think just a lot of
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people see it as innocuous and don't realize
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that this could be a trigger and it could be
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something that is making the problem worse. Especially
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when it's called medical marijuana. Right. But
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this particular young man, you know, it was a
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physician. It was a medical doctor that referred
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him. And in a conversation with the physician,
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right. Very well credentialed. And she said,
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you know, everything made me think that this
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was some sort of drug -induced psychosis. But
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the only thing he does is smoke weed. So it can't
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be that. And so I think the prevention part of
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this and the education part of this is so critical
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because there's so much misinformation and misunderstanding.
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And there's also been a lot of, there was also
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a lot of fear mongering, right? So now people
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are like, I'm not going to listen to anything
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you people say about, you know, to cannabis.
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But I couldn't agree more. That's why what you're
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doing and what we all do together in education
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and prevention is so critical. It's critical.
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It's critical. Catherine, you brought a book
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to share with us. The same thing. So we have
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this incredible luncheon coming up. Our keynote
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speaker is Major General Greg Martin, and he
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has a doctorate, two master's degrees from MIT,
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an incredible military career. And he credits
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a lot of that to his bipolar disorder, fueling
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him along his path. And there came a point where
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he had to resign from the military. And then
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he has come out about his bipolar journey. And
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he wrote this book, The Bipolar General. He's
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going to be the keynote speaker at our annual
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luncheon on December 11th. And so we just want
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to make sure everybody knows about that and has
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the opportunity to come out and hear him speak
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because it's a really incredible journey. He
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had a lot of resilience. He's been through a
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lot and achieved a lot. And I think it is important
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to, you know, showcase the successes that, you
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know, many people who have bipolar disorder or
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other conditions, the wonderful things that they
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can achieve in spite of or, you know, alongside
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their condition. Someone wanted tickets. That's
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what I was going to say. That's twice. I know.
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No, we're getting synced up. It's good. If someone
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wants tickets. They can come to our website,
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NAMIPVC .org. Okay. All right. Great. How much
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are tickets? Well, if you become a NAMI member,
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you get a discount. We love our members. Okay.
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All right. Good. So I think the member rate is
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$100. Wonderful. It's a bargain. 100%. You get
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to see a wonderful speaker. And is he going to
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sell books? Yes. We'll do a book signing afterwards.
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So I know when I saw him speaking, I thought,
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wow, this man is incredible. And we went up and
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met him and he signed my book. And, you know,
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I just kept thinking about his talk and, you
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know, what he'd been through and the challenges
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he'd overcome and, you know, just how much he'd
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achieved in his life and invited him down to
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speak for us. And I was so excited when he said
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yes. So we're just very excited to have him here.
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So I think everyone will love him and want to
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get their book signed by him. I love it. So great.
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In a time where there's so much divide, right?
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And there's so much separation and so much brokenness
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and relationship. The effort to bring our commonalities
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together, to recognize, like have these moments
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that every single one that we're all in this
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human journey together is just something that
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I think is so beautiful. And it's a part of.
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When I think it's not just, you know, helping
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families who are struggling with mental illness.
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It really, this whole work really is about bringing,
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restoring relationships and making us all know
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that we're human. And I love that. Tell us, we're
00:27:11.809 --> 00:27:15.809
coming. Oh man, I'm sorry. I'm the bad guy. No,
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you're the bad guy. We're coming to our final
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minutes. And so. Two things. One, I want to make
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sure that anything else that our listeners hear,
00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:27.950
anything else that you want to announce about
00:27:27.950 --> 00:27:29.809
NAMI, about things that are coming up. So if
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we've missed anything, I want to give you a chance
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to say those things so people can know what's
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coming. And everybody just remember NAMIPBC .org.
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Go there because if you miss anything, you'll
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see lots of things that are coming up. But also
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we like to just hear from you and thinking about
00:27:47.569 --> 00:27:50.329
the audience, it's a wide range of people, but
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what is one thing for the last word that you
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would like for folks to hear from you today?
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A lot of times, especially in the family group
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or the family classes, they say, well, how come
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mental health isn't treated like other conditions?
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How come we don't have the same type of awareness
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campaigns? How come it's not as okay to talk
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about it? And we're really changing that. I don't
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know if anyone's heard of the Get Your Green
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On campaign, but it's this incredible county
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-wide campaign that we do in Palm Beach County.
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And it's the whole month of May we talk about
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mental health. And so that's just been so heartwarming
00:28:25.779 --> 00:28:28.119
to see how many people throughout Palm Beach
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County are now becoming more aware of mental
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health and recognizing how important it is and
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important and valuable to talk about it. Then
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we also have our walk. We have over 700 people
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come out for NAMI walks, and those are people
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who are impacted by conditions or caregivers,
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but also the general public who wants to come
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out and support. And it is so meaningful to the
00:28:48.339 --> 00:28:50.940
people that we serve to see all of that support
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at the walk. When is your walk? It's November
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1st, so you can come walk off your Halloween
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candy. Okay. All right. Wake up bright and early
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after Halloween. It's at John Prince Park in
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Lake Worth. It's a wonderful event. It's a great
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way to communicate with the community. I'll be
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there. November is going to be a good month.
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That's going to be a great start to the month.
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I'll be there. Wonderful. We can't wait to see
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you. Hanley is always there at the walk. We appreciate
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.779
your support. So we just love seeing all of our
00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:20.299
community partners. You can come out with your
00:29:20.299 --> 00:29:23.200
t -shirts and bring signs or whatever you like.
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.500
So that's a great way to show the mental health
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community that. There is a lot of support. Yes.
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Yes. This was great. Thank you for coming. We
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could have kept talking for another hour. I know.
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And maybe we will just need to do that. Have
00:29:39.769 --> 00:29:43.730
you come back. We really do appreciate you being
00:29:43.730 --> 00:29:47.109
here and also all that you do for our community
00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:52.609
and for... Kind of the big picture. This has
00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:55.430
really helped me remember that there's an even
00:29:55.430 --> 00:29:57.910
bigger picture that you're contributing to. So
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thank you. Thank you, Dr. Dosicle, as always.
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Thank you, Dr. Diamond. I really like your pink
00:30:03.430 --> 00:30:07.069
shirt. Thank you. Hanley. Oh, look at that. Yeah.
00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:09.349
Wait a minute. My Hanley shirt. How does she
00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:13.630
get fancy Hanley stuff? All right. I don't know
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where any camera is, but for anybody who is watching
00:30:16.789 --> 00:30:18.950
or listening, it's right there. Hey, how you
00:30:18.950 --> 00:30:22.109
doing? Thank you for being here. We look forward
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to seeing you next time on The Hanley Effect.
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