Episode 220: A Conversation with Actor Rob Brownstein

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Ladies and gentlemen, the time has come. Turn your devices
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to the maximum volume, sit back, relax, and let's get
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Hey, hey, everybody, welcome to episode two twenty of the
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Ready to Retro podcast. I am your host, Millennial Max,
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and today we have a special guest we have with us,
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Rob Brownstein. Rob, thank you so much for being here
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on Ready to Retro Hi Pleasure. All right, so I
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kind of just have our guests introduced themselves. How do
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you want to introduce yourself to our listeners here at
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Ready to Retro.
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I have no idea, man, no idea. I'd live in
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right on the border of Altadena Pasadena, very involved in
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my community. Went through a lot of stuff with the fires.
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Though I was lucky to have my house did have
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a tree fall on it, so we had to deal
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with that. But so many of my friends, and you know,
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my children's school and lots of childhood places all gone.
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So you know, but it's great. You know, the community
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has just been wonderful, you know, rebuilding and banning together.
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My across the street neighbor Eric Krasno put together the
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concert for Altadena with our other Altadena resident who Kevin
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Who put it all together. Who was the promoter for it?
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And yeah, so, I mean it's great. I am an actor.
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I also have an acting studio where I teach and yeah,
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I don't know, is that good enough?
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Yeah, that's great. You don't know this about me. But
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I am a Altad survivor as well. Yeah, my wife
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and I we lost her.
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Home on sorry guys.
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Yeah, so we've been in the rebuilding process and it's
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been a headache and you know, being displaced from your
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community and you know, that was the house that I
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was raised in. I inherited back in twenty twenty one
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when my mom passed away suddenly. And yeah, so it
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was definitely something no one expects. But I will say
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the same thing about our community. Just man, how resilient
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Altadena is. And I'm actually wearing my Alta Dina hat
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right now, my West of Lake hat. But it's been
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encouraging just to see how resilient and tenacious our community is.
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And it actually makes me even more excited and just
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at peace knowing that I'm not just building roots for
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a house, but building roots in a community that I
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want to be a part of.
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Well, I mean, I don't know how heavy we want
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to get here.
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You know, go for it as heavy as you want.
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Well, I don't know about that, but you know, community, man,
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you know, I will say that one of the things
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that I'm so aware of is community. And I seem
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to have always had community. I mean, growing up on
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the East Coast, we always had the neighborhood community where
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we lived, you know, school friends. I grew up in
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New York and typical New York story. We were Upper
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West Sider as we you know, in one of those
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those woody Allen apartments, you know, and but we knew
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people in our building and we were we had community
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through cub Scouts for all this stuff, but community where
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we hung out, you know. And when my parents got
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divorced and mom moved out to Queens with the kids
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and dad took the bachelor pad on West End Avenue,
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you know, our playground was right across the street. Mom
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would yell out the window dinner at you know, seven o'clock,
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and we knew everybody. We knew everybody in the building.
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We had friends. And being an actor coming from the
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theater in New York and then you know, being involved
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in television film out here and all of that I've
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had just community everywhere, you know. I mean I could
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I could be like in Wilmington, North Carolina, and I'm
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shooting a commercial and a car would pull up and
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go hey. Then it's you know, a friend who's shooting
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a film. It's community. But you know, I have community
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in my neighborhood. We we do front porch Fridays.
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Here.
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We've you know, we we've banded together really since the pandemic.
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And you know, probably twice a month there is a
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gathering of of our neighbors at somebody's house, whether it's
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my house or somebody else's house, and it's a you know,
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Eric Krasno across the street is a super well known musician,
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Kevin Lyman, who helped put the thing together as a
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huge concert promoter. You know, there's me, There's Emily, who
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is an actress. There's Tony and Tasha. Tony is a
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big sound and and a program designer for key Code Media.
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You know, he helped put together the sound system for
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the sphere. You know. Then there's Colin, who's just a
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neighborhood organizer, you know, and we're all friends and we
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all get together and and and you know what I
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mean and and support each other. And during the pandemic,
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we were so helpful to each other during the fires.
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My god, we bring water to each other. We would,
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you know. And I see like a lot of my
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students in younger but they don't have that. They just
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don't have it, you know. And you know, my sister
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likes to say that it's about you know, social media,
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and I'm like, okay, it's a little bit about cell phones,
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but I think it's also just about you know, we're
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so we're so divided right now. Everything is about looking
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for red flags. Yeah, you know. I mean, I have
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to tell you that. Prior to you know, George Bush too,
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you know, I didn't know anybody's fucking politics. I didn't.
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I mean none of my friends. I mean, obviously if
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somebody was very political, I knew, you know, politicians, but man,
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I didn't. We never talk politics, you know, we would
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play basketball, we would, you know what I mean. Now
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it's like everybody knows each other's but it's like, you know,
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it's like that that's the first thing, you know, as
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if it makes it difference. It's a shame because I
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see that people, you know, they just don't have the
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sense of community. You know, I don't know that the
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Pacific Palisades has what we have here in Altadena, you know.
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Is that what I'm hearing. No, No, And.
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Part of it is because yes, there's a lot of
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money there and so they're able to just take themselves away.
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My sister lives in Santa Barbara and says, a lot
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of those guys move up to Santa Barbara, at least temporarily.
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You know. I don't know. I just think it's it's
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I mean, I don't want a wax too fucking crazy,
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but you know, it's what's wrong, you know. And it's
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a community, man, and we should feel communal, you know.
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And you know, when I get around and I talk
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to people, you know, we're like, yeah, we're just talking,
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and then all of a sudden, then we take sides.
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You know. Then you get, of course, on social media
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and you got to take sides. So I don't know,
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but I just think community is so important, man, yeah,
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so important to everything, you know.
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Yeah, I mean my adult life, for fifteen years, I
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was in youth development and community building and I did
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that and I got to a place where I just
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needed a break, and there was reasons why I sipped away.
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But that's what I dedicated my life to, was walking
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and along and partnering with, you know, teenagers who just
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needed a mentor figure in their life. And I man
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one of my favorite things I used to do. We
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used to do Dodger games every year when they were
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still affordable, but we would take the kids to their
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first Dodger game ever. Or I would take kids from
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you know, kind of the hood of Pasadena and we
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did our first camping trips stuff like that. And it
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was just creating new experiences, shared experiences to create community.
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And I think nowadays and just to you know, feed
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off of what you're saying, it's those shared experiences that
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I think bring people together that were just not having
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as much anymore.
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Well, we're not because partially it's because of Partially it's
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because of politics, but yeah, but it's also because because
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everything's become so much about money. Yeah, I mean, baseball, basketball,
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you know, all these sports, all these communal things that
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that we used to do and and and they're still great,
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but they're you know, we we kind of we have forgotten,
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you know. And and I'm all for money. Don't get
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me wrong, I am all for making money. I have
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nothing against people making money. I just I would just
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like it to be responsible, you know, making money, responsibly
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making money with some idea of caring about the environment,
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making money with you know, some idea of paying your employees. Well,
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you know, at some point after your first fifty mili
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you know, how much more is it going to change
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your life when you just give? You know, but it
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can change an employees' life. So, I mean, it's just
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we're so siloed. I think it's what it comes and
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so we lose community and so you know, it's even
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simple things like CEOs of these companies, you know, and
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the we offshore the customer service you know, so used
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to be like you could actually like give an opinion,
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you know, in a suggestion box. Now you can't give
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an opinion. All they all they want to know is
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whether the the the lowly paid employee treated you well
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instead of well, how do you feel about our system?
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You know, So you silo everything and that just separates people.
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And it's a shame because I think people are super cool.
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And this is where you know, retro becomes so important,
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and you know, it starts to sound like my grandfather,
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you know, walking eighteen miles in the snow to go
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to school barefoot uphill you know where I'm like, I
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remember when it was a little better.
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Yeah. Yeah, And now I've said this on this podcast
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many times, but it's not that I want to be
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who I was, you know, back in the nineties or whatever,
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like I was a kid. But there's some things that
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are nostalgic that were just simpler times. And I think
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that's kind of the draw to nostalgia, is just more simplistic.
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But you know, the reality is that life is really
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messy and life is complex, and I think that's part
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of the human journey is you're trying to navigate that.
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And that's I mean, that's every you know story we tell, right,
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navigating the obstacles of life and how to do that
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in a community or with partners around you.
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Yeah. Instead of being so mad because I supposedly don't
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live on your political side of the fence, let's just
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talk about what the fuck's going on? Yeah, you know,
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there's always common ground, you know, it's just you got
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to be willing to take it, you know, that's the
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only point. But anyway, Okay, done with that, all right,
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talk about and stuff.
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Let's talk about all right, Well.
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We're going a gainer, going's with some retro here, some
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Bruce Bringsteen.
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Alright, we're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about you.
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We're gonna put you in the hot seat. So this
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is just this or that. Don't explain it. We'll get
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to that. But this is just rapid fire. All right.
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So this is the hot Seat with Rob Brownstein, and
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we'll begin in three two one, Rob, what was your
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favorite film of twenty twenty five?
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Oh? Shoot, wow, I don't know, man, there were so
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many good ones. I just I don't know what's in
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twenty twenty five film? Help? Help? Uh, I don't know.
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We can come back, you want to come back to
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that one.
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Well, okay, I just don't know what's in twenty twenty
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five film? Oh my god, I can't even figure out.
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And this is my business, can you believe it? Yeah?
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Oh, here's a little easier one. Are you a collector?
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If so, what do you collect?
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Oh that's a good one. Yes, I am a collector.
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I collect file and I've long collected vinyl. And one
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of my great joys is that my daughter corrects vinyl too.
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She's a musician in New York, A jazz musician, she said,
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jazz guitarist, and she also plays drums in a punk band.
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One of the saddest times of my life was, I
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want to say, twenty years ago, there was a one
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hundred year rain that caused floods and we were living
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in Glendale at the time, and I lost somewhere between
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the third and half of my records in the flood.
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You know.
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So that was really sad because there were some great
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ones that have never gone onto Apple or Spotify, you know. So, Yes,
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I do collect that. I do collect books. I'm a
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big sci fi fan, so I collect a lot of
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sci fi books.
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Awesome, all right, Next question, favorite place to have a
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taco in the LA area. I always ask La locals this,
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what's your go to place for a taco?
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Wow? I am very partial to the breakfast tacos at
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home State fair enough right near me. The Infinity I
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have it. It's corn tortillas. Infinity is egg, cheese, potato,
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not there anymore in Old Town that served probably the
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best off tacos I've ever had. It was right in
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that little alley near where Edwin Mills is. It's not
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there any I think it's a Burger place now. It
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probably King Taco in Old Town as well. All right,
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So what was the last book you read that you
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would recommend to our listeners?
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I got two of them.
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Okay, first off, a big sports fan, but one of
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the things is I'm a w NBA fan. Great, this
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book Shattering the Glass, the remarkable history of women's basketball
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is amazing, Damn Grande Susan Chakover. It's so entertaining and
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really talks dirt, which I love. And then I have
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a book of Days Patti Smith. Okay, that's a little retro,
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but damn, you can open this up to anywhere and
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it's super cool.
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Awesome, all right, I gotta look up both of those
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after this, all right, So number two I did a
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little bit of research. That's that's what I do before
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I guess. Comes on. So I heard you, I heard
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your Laker fan as am I. Who's your favorite Laker
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of all time?
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Toby?
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Absolutely? Next question, who's an actor you want to share
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the screen with that you haven't been able to so far?
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Who's just that either actor?
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Okay, so I got you, I got you. I would
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like to share the screen with Harrison Ford.
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Want to share the screen with Ethan Hawke. I gotta
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tell you anybody in one battle after another man that
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Tianna Taylor. Dude, she is amazing. Man. I would love
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to share the screen.
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Like.
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There's this it's actually really quite good at Netflix movie
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called The Rip. It's a very typical police story, you know,
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but the cast is Ben affleck Man, Damon, Tyana Taylor,
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just the cast is just incredible. Any one of those guys.
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You know.
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I did actually have the great pleasure last year of
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doing a film with two people who were just well
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three just outstanding incredible one Shilah buff oh wow, unbelievable,
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Melissa Leo, who's incredible, just a super artist. And a
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young actor named Jackson White, who is Jack White's son
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and Katie Thegall's son. Amazing and it was incredible, incredible
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film called I don't know what the final name is.
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It was called Rooster Prince, but just lovely anyway, awesome.
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Okay, Well, since you were raving about one battle, would
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that be your favorite film of twenty twenty five or
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would it be Sinners?
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I thought that there was twenty twenty six movie. I
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guess it is twenty twenty five.
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Twenty five. Yeah, I know twenty twenty six has seen
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very long. It's only been a it's only been six weeks.
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But yeah, no, that came out and I believe October.
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Yeah, I did really like it my favorite. I'm like,
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looking through these movies, man, I saw a lot of
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stuff that I like, what are these films? Jesus christ Man,
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the internet is so disappointing. Yeah, no, it is so disappointing.
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I can start naming them if that helps.
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I'm literally looking at this list of films and I'm like,
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I didn't even see half of these, even though half
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of these existed. Whatever, I mean, that's a good one.
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I don't have to tell you.
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Sorry, it's the hot Seat that you were totally not prepared.
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And then the last question I have for you, Rob
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is what's a phraser word that describes the art of acting?
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For you? Acting is reacting?
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I like that. All right, Well that's a hot seat.
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So I just want to like kind of dive back
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into some of the answers that you put. Let's let's
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go with Kobe. So, so why Kobe? Why why Kobe
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over Magic or oh Magic?
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You know you asked my favorite. Okay, So it's not
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about saying Kobe is better than Magic or or James
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or the Captain or Lebron. I just, you know, Kobe
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for me or Shaq, who's amazing. You know, Kobe for me,
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I think captured his work ethic for me is I
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think more than anything, what captured it for me? Because uh,
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you know, when I when I think of what it takes,
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you know, and I teach also, you know, to be
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good at anything, you got to work your fucking ass off.
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You have to you have to be really willing to
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which a lot of people aren't, which I understand, you know,
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but but you know, I admired him tremendously and uh,
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you know, and you know what he had to come
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back from I mean to openly admit to just fucking
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up really badly. The fact that his wife stayed with
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him shows that he was really honest and true in
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his contrition about it. And I just a tremendous admiration.
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But that doesn't take away from any of them. I mean,
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I'm a huge lebron fan. It's killing me that everybody's
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so anti Lebrono all of a sudden. Why this guy
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is like clearly one of the Mount Rushmore of greatest
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players ever. He's playing here, he's forty one, the captain
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was forty one. He's still playing at a super high level,
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and yet people are blaming him for where the Lakers
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are today. And he's got nothing to do with it. Man,
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it's you know, management or whatever. But you know, it
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just it just kills me. You know, actors and athletes
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are not too dissimilar from each other. And I just
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love greatness. You know, Kobe was great, Shack was great.
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You know Kobe's will you know it was amazing. I
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mean magic, I mean I watched all you know, my
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era of basketball. I mean, let's go retro, man, My
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era of basketball was, you know, was magic and Bird
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and Patrick Ewing. You know, those were my Nicks, you
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know that. You know I got to shake Pat Riley's
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hand when he was leaving the Lakers to go to
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the Knicks. Like when I first got to LA, I
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had a friend who was in the Laker band.
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Okay, I love the Laker band, and I got to go.
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I got to go see he was a horn player,
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and I got to go see what was Magic Johnson's
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first last game was Game six of the finals, the
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one where where Jordan passed to you know, uh oh god,
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one of those two brothers who sank the three pointer
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and won that game. But I got to shake Pat's
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hand as he was leaving to go coach the Knicks
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because we knew he was going. And so those were
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my teams. You know, That's where I fell in love
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with basketball, watching those teams, watching those battles between Magic
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and Bird and the Celtics and the you know Lakers,
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and you know, my Nicks never won a championship. Patrick,
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you know, so.
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Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I grew up so I
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was born in nineties, So I grew up right when
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the start of the New showtime, right, So my dad
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had season tickets in the late eighties, and ironically enough,
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he had to get rid of his season tickets because
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I was being born and couldn't afford it anymore. So
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the one thing that I probably would have appreciated, I'm
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the reason why I don't have it so as his life.
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But yeah, I mean growing up in there were three
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kind of like idols growing up for me. It was
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Adam Sandler, The Rock, Dwayne Johnson, I start, I loved
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professional wrestling at the time in Kobe, and I got
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to meet two out of the three. I did meet
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Kobe one time at a signing in nineteen ninety eight,
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I think around that time, and it was fro Kobe
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and just the nicest dudeb I mean he was, you know,
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twenty at the time, nineteen twenty. Yeah, and I just
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remember I froze when I waited three four hours to
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see my idol, this was Kobe. And we got there
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and it was still dark and we went through the
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line and I got there and my legs were shaking
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and my mom was like, Max, go say hi to Kobe,
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and I literally I just went yeah, and he's laughing.
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My mom's laughing, and you know, he saw my sister
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who was probably like four at the time, and it
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was like, oh, right here for a picture, picked her up,
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put her run on his lap, took it and like
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was gone and then you know, all right, next person.
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And I remember being at eight and like coming out
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of the days, it was like, what's going on? You
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know why? I just missed my opportunity. So that's like
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my first kind of interaction with the star at that magnitude.
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I was definitely starstruck. Have you read the book by
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Jeff Perlman, The Showtime?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, great book. I I.
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Have Phil Jackson's books. Okay, I have Mamba Mentality. I
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have my little collection of.
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Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Lastly about the Lakers, what's
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gonna what is it gonna take for them to not
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be in the middle of the Western Conference? Is it
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to offload Lebron? Is it to build around Luke?
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You know what? You know? The thing is, I just
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feel like the narrative that includes Lebron is just so wrong.
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You know, honestly, who gives a shit? You know, it's
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just it's not Lebron. What it would take is money. Yeah,
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I know there's a salary cap, and I know you
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got to deal with it. You know, but there are
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different levels, you know. And I think, listen, I like
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Jake Laarrabia, you know, I do. He's great, but he's
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not Dorian Phinney Smith, you know, and right, and so
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you need that and you're not going to replace it
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with and he's a good young player, but he's not that.
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I realized DeAndre Ayton was the best we could get
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at the time. But you know, it just feels like
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it feels like for me and listen, man, I'm not
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a I'm not a general manager, but I just feel like,
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you know, it's so easy to the narrative about Lebron,
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you know, and it's not it's about what they were
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willing to do, you know. And and and you know,
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and Rob Polinka's had some great years and pulled out
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some great stuff and he's also had some i think,
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mediocre years. And I don't want to blame him because
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I think it's him, it's genie. It's choices that people make,
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you know, and I think, oh, we got to say
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for next year and this and that and the other.
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And listen, man, you know, the Russell Westbrook thing was
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a total total mistakes. It was and frankly it killed
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the championship team. You know, that was a championship team
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which would have, if nothing else, gone to the finals
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the second time if I hadn't been for injuries to
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boat those guys, you know. But you know, it's this thing,
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you know, when the Mets won the World Series in
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nineteen eighty six, that was a team that could have
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become a dynasty, you know, right, And the very next
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year they lost Ray Knight because they were unwilling to
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pay him. Was and he wasn't asking for money, he
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was asking for years. He was their MVP, He was
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MVP of the finals. He was the force, you know,
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the emotional leader of that team in a certain way,
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you know, the the what would you say, the enforcer,
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you know, And and they wouldn't pay him. And so
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the next year they were good, but they didn't make
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the playoffs. And then the following year, you know, they
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lost to the Dodgers. I was at that game, you know,
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where Kirk Gibson as a New Yorker, I hate Kirk
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Gibson as an Angelina you love him, but as a
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you know, that guy, you know, on that this particular
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of the game that I was at, both Gary Carter
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and Keith Hernandez hit just foul ball after foul ball
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after foul ball way out to the warning track. They
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were just on the cusp of getting old. You know,
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they couldn't go any further. So I guess the long
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way of saying, you know, if they just fucking give
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given Ray Knight his third year. It was literally he
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wanted three years they were going to give if they
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just done that, because he went to Baltimore, was great there.
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And I think it's the same thing with the Lakers
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in a way, you know, they sometimes and I think
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it's just a mindset with almost every major sports franchise
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except right now the Dodgers. You know, which is you
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think you know better as an executive than the people
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who are people playing. You know, it's the people playing. Man,
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if the thing works, it were works, you know, it's
478
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:07.519
not it's not just the money thing, you know, it's
479
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.240
it's chemistry, it's putting things together. It's you know, yes,
480
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.240
this guy doesn't let anyone pass him, you know. I mean,
481
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.559
so I think that that's really the issue that's been
482
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the issue. You know, we can go back to to
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you know, Mike D'Antoni, you know, wasting paw Gasol's great years.
484
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.119
You know, why hire a guy who doesn't believe in
485
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.400
big men to coach a team with three big men at.
486
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.400
The time, or defense when they had Ron Ortez and
487
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:43.079
they had you know, the defensive team how.
488
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:49.839
And they had Superman, you know, Dwight Howard. Why are
489
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.079
you going to put a coach like that? So to me,
490
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.799
it's those kinds of things. When it comes to the Lakers.
491
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You know, Lucas great, Austin is great, you know, Lebron
492
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is great. It's anybody. I mean, you know, Marcus Smart
493
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is great at who he is. And sometimes coaches just
494
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.559
don't know how to use certain players the best. You know,
495
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.519
we have a defensive specialist on our team that for
496
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reasons that I don't understand, maybe because he's just not
497
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.960
good offensively. JJ Reddick doesn't know how to use him, right,
498
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.599
you know, and Oh Who all of a sudden has
499
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.319
become sort of not so great and I don't understand
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that either.
501
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.880
It's fantastic in Utah when when they first acquired him.
502
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:39.440
Well it's about again, you know. One of the things
503
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for me is a teacher and as an actor and
504
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.039
as a director, and one of the things I've learned
505
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:49.200
over the years, is you gotta it's not about you,
506
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:54.160
not about you. It's not about your opinions, it's not
507
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.680
about your system, it's not about your mindset. Yes, you've
508
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.039
got to have all those things and all of that,
509
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.319
but you got to be open to the fact that, oh,
510
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.720
here is somebody who doesn't fit that. But oh my god,
511
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:13.799
what they do it is so fabulous. Let me adjust
512
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.119
my thing to find a way to bring that up.
513
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.279
And you know, I had to learn that as a teacher,
514
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.359
you know, and when I'm directing stuff, you know, you
515
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.920
work with different people, but it's you know, whenever you
516
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.359
stick to this one, it's just it's a thing. So
517
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.720
that's what would take as a long winded way to say,
518
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.039
you know, let's stop putting scapegoats on you know. I mean,
519
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.200
it's got nothing to do with Lebron, you know. And
520
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.640
people said, well, he costs a lot of money. And
521
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:47.680
I don't know because nobody has said, but I would
522
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.039
honestly say, I sincerely doubt that anyone went to Lebron
523
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.720
and and and and Rich Paul, you know, these last
524
00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:01.519
few years and said listen, here we go. I know
525
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.720
that you're due forty or fifty million dollars. Okay, but
526
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.519
we have an opportunity to get this, this, and this.
527
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.599
Can we pay you ten million right now? We will
528
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.200
pay you thirty million in a couple of years, you know,
529
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.839
defer effort. Would you be willing to take ten million
530
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.440
now just so we can get these other people?
531
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:25.200
Yeah?
532
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.759
Yeah. And I don't know, but it always seems to
533
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.480
be interesting that Lebron always waits till the very end
534
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.640
of the whole negotiation period to say I'll take my
535
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.319
whole salary. I think he's waiting, like, give me an offer, man,
536
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.519
offer me something. And they nobody ever came to him
537
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:48.680
and said that the guy likes to win. He's not complicated.
538
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.839
He wants to win definitely, you know.
539
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.519
And I think for LA, there's this kind of with
540
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.839
Lebron coming into La right off the hills of Kobe,
541
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.480
it's almost like encroaching into Kobe's legacy. I think people
542
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:10.440
are really protective of that. Justify it. I'm just trying
543
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:11.519
to saying.
544
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:17.400
I thought Lebron was during the pandemic, Kobe's death, George Floyd,
545
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:23.559
the bubble. I thought Lebron was literally the best thing
546
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.119
that we could have had in the NBA.
547
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.079
Sure, you know.
548
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.640
I mean the way he handled Kobe's death I thought
549
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.680
was incredible. The way he brought the team through the
550
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.440
bubble was incredible. The way he handled George Floyd, now
551
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.119
he wasn't alone, it was him and Giannis and Steph.
552
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.119
The way he talked back to Trump, you know, I mean,
553
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.000
he's the shut up and dribble guy. Yeah, you know,
554
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.119
and I think we don't give the man credit for
555
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:57.079
literally emotionally carrying this team through that period we're encroaching
556
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.680
on Kobe. Kobe was like he was sitting. I mean,
557
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.079
I watched those games. Kobe was courtside high five and
558
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.720
Lebron every minute going welcome dude.
559
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.199
Yeah, yeah, Kobe wanted it for sure, because Kobe wanted
560
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to win.
561
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.480
But yeah, he also appreciated greatness.
562
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:15.760
Absolutely, you know.
563
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.920
And you know, and the one thing that Lebron had,
564
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.039
and again, nobody gives him credit for this. There's a
565
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:26.960
reason he's forty one and still playing. His work ethic
566
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:33.079
is incredible. He is working at it day in, day out,
567
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.760
the way Kobe did until he his body couldn't do
568
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.760
it anymore. Right, you know, it just happened Lebron's body
569
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:39.840
is allowing him to do.
570
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.159
It absolutely, And Lebron spends a million dollars, We're just like, well,
571
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.320
not everyone has a million dollars, but he does, and
572
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.039
he's deciding to put that million dollars into his body.
573
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.360
He doesn't have to, but it's his decision to do so.
574
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.920
I wonder how many people put that much, you know,
575
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.400
I mean, Stephan Bett, does you just do it?
576
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:57.960
Yeah?
577
00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.639
Maybe KD does, but.
578
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.159
Know yeah, yeah, And my just I guess final thought
579
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.480
regarding the conversation, and I agree with you, I really
580
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.679
don't think it's Lebron. And I just feel like, you know,
581
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.840
Lebron gets too much hate. There's no one that's better
582
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.519
that the Lakers can get. I mean, Lebron is still
583
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.039
an All NBA year in and year out. But it's
584
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.199
Luca's defense. And I know that that's easy to say,
585
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.840
but Luca will not be a top ten player because
586
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.719
every top ten player in history can do it on
587
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.599
both sides, and Luca is just puts no effort onto
588
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.639
the defensive end. Fantastic offensively, but doesn't try on defense.
589
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.760
But here's the thing about Luca that's interesting. In the beginning,
590
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.400
when he first came to the team. Yeah, you would
591
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.400
see him play defense. He would listen to Lebron and
592
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.159
Lebron would play and he would go play defense. You know,
593
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.960
those days with him and Aar and Lebron, when the
594
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.519
three of them and the team was, Luca was doing
595
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.639
his back. It wasn't great, but he was doing it,
596
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.920
you know. Well, you know, I mean these guys, these guys,
597
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:12.519
they're everybody talks about. You gotta sound surround Luca with shooters, No,
598
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:17.360
you gotta surround Luca with defenders. So anyway, that's all
599
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.320
I have to say. You know, we're talking way too
600
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:24.360
much about past, you know, but I mean it's there's
601
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.840
a reason. Okay, see is kicking booty. You know, there's
602
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.519
a reason that that San Antonio's kicking.
603
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.639
Booty, you know, and it starts on top. So let's
604
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.760
let's get into kind of your your origin story for
605
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.320
those who don't know, how did you get into acting?
606
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.760
Just to begin with, Uh, Well, I guess I was
607
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.960
always sort of interested in it. You know, I had
608
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:54.000
a rough childhood, so I was always escaping into stories, books,
609
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.119
you know, movies and this and that and the other.
610
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:02.880
So you know, uh, I went to a pretty crappy
611
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.559
high school that did not have a great drama club.
612
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.440
You know. I joined for like a couple of weeks
613
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.480
and said, this ain't it. But you know, I went
614
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.840
to college and I took a few acting classes, but
615
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.599
I went to college as a musician and as a writer.
616
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.840
I was a saxophone player, jazz saxophone player, and I
617
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.960
played guitar. New York City went bankrupt in the seventies,
618
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.159
in the late seventies, and I came back to school
619
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.400
and my major was gone. The jazz department was gone,
620
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.360
because I went to a city university in New York
621
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.360
and it was gone. So I had nothing to do,
622
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.400
and I had no major, and I had no classes
623
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.280
because it was no internet or anything like that. It
624
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.440
wasn't like people like, let you know, you just showed
625
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.519
up and I was expecting to go to class and
626
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.039
Marne no class. So I had to walk back through
627
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.320
the drama building to get to my bus, and they
628
00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:01.199
were auditioning for the main stage play and I didn't
629
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.159
even know the play. I was like, what's going on.
630
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.920
We're auditioning for a Time of Your Life by Williams. Siroyan.
631
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.159
I was like, oh, can I audition man. Let me
632
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.000
go get the professor and he came out. He looked
633
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.719
me up and down. Ray Gasper a great guy, but
634
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.360
you know, very intimidating, and look me up and he goes,
635
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.559
you're taking an acting class. I said, yeah, I took
636
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.559
acting one and two with doctor Carlson. And he was like,
637
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.119
all right, you want to audition. Do you know the play?
638
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.800
I said no. He's like, he's like, well, why do
639
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.400
you want audition? I told him, you know, I don't
640
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.039
have a major. I'm lost. He says. He's like, he's like,
641
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.519
is this guy for real? And then he goes, all right,
642
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.280
but I have to wait a couple of hours. You know.
643
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:44.840
You go at the end, I said, that's great, give
644
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.199
me a chance to read the play. Do you have
645
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.280
a copy of them? So they give me a copy
646
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.800
of the play and I start reading it and I'm like, okay,
647
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.320
well I got to figure something out. So I went
648
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.719
and I called my dad and I said, hey, you know,
649
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.800
I told him what happened. I said, but if I
650
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:02.599
be become a drama major, I can't. You know, I
651
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.519
got to quit my job because I was working at
652
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.480
night and taking classes during the day. Can I move
653
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.000
in with you. My mother had already moved to North
654
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:15.360
Carolina to take a job down there, and he says, okay, sure,
655
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.639
and I'm like okay. So I went back and I
656
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:20.480
auditioned for the play. And it would be great if
657
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.159
I told you that I got in, but I didn't
658
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.559
because I didn't I didn't know the play man. I
659
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:31.760
think my audition was probably horrible, you know, And but
660
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:33.639
that was it. That's how I became an actor. That
661
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.480
was my major. I The next play I auditioned FORO
662
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.440
I got in and that was the end of that.
663
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.559
But yes, I became an actor because New York City
664
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:43.639
went bankrupt.
665
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:48.039
In the story. Well, it's interesting because it's like, I
666
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.159
don't know if you believe in fate or anything like that,
667
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.639
but it seems like the stars aligned for that moment
668
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.199
or or you just took the opportunity. It was just like, hey,
669
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.920
I'll try it out. You know.
670
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.119
It was just like it was either that or take
671
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.199
the bus and go home and then what do I
672
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.360
do now? You know? So anyway, so that's why I
673
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:05.079
became an actor.
674
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.840
Do you think you could have been anything else or
675
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.119
where You're like, no, actings. Acting is my thing.
676
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.039
I you know, I don't know. I mean I might
677
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.079
have been I would have been something in the arts.
678
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:19.840
I I you know, I mean I was playing music,
679
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.960
I was writing, I was you know, I could have
680
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.039
had a career as a director maybe, you know, I
681
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.000
mean I have directed.
682
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:27.440
It.
683
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.559
Just it was just the you know, it's just the
684
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.079
thing that really just sang to me and that I
685
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.440
just felt like I could work at for the rest
686
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.519
of my life. And and you know, the truth is
687
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.039
I loved playing music and I practiced, but I didn't
688
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.159
love practice. You know, like my daughter, you know, who
689
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.920
was amazing jazz guitarist, she loves to practice. She plays
690
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.159
all fucking day long. I just I just didn't, you know.
691
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.280
But as soon as I got into a theater, you know,
692
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.280
I could not see the light of day for forty
693
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.239
eight hours and I'd be fine. So I mean I
694
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.639
just kind of went, yeah, all right, great. You know,
695
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.760
I love practicing songs, but you know, the scales that this, that,
696
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.920
that's the others. So you know, I just looked at
697
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.920
what was the in a way, sort of the path
698
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.480
of least resistance that I could work the hardest at.
699
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.000
You know, I did understand working at it you know,
700
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.719
and that you had to be really good. Yeah, I
701
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.239
mean I remember. I remember I was doing the last
702
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.960
play in college before graduating, and I was sitting out
703
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.320
back of the of the theater, you know, on the
704
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.480
steps to the shop, and I guess I was looking
705
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.760
a little depressed. And one of the guys in the
706
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:47.639
show came over. He goes, okay, he said, well tell me,
707
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.199
is it no? You don't want to know? Isn't no,
708
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:50.639
don't tell me? Is it now? You don't want to know?
709
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.239
He goes, tell me. I said, okay, So I know
710
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.800
I'm good enough to play the leads here in college,
711
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.599
which I was, you know, he said, but I don't
712
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.960
know that I'm good enough to do anything out there.
713
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:03.800
And he kind of looked at me and went, yeah,
714
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:09.000
you're right, I can't help you. I mean, a lovely guy,
715
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.800
you know, but but he wasn't looking at a career
716
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.800
in the theater, you know. I mean it literally was
717
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.679
thinking this is what I'm going to do, you know.
718
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.360
And so yeah, and to go back to that moble mentality,
719
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.719
it sounds like you had the work ethic to continue
720
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:25.159
to do it.
721
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:27.800
Yeah, you know, I didn't even know I had a
722
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.679
work ethic, to be honest with you. It's funny because
723
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.800
you know, we had some some some college reunions during
724
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:38.480
the pandemic on Zoom and I was talking to one
725
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.880
of the guys and they were saying, you know, you
726
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.800
were pro back in college, and I was like, what said,
727
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.400
you know, you approached everything working so hard. You know
728
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.480
you had that. I had no idea that I did.
729
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.920
I don't know. I guess my parents must have done
730
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.840
something right, or it was just scared. Yeah, you know,
731
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.079
I think I was just scared to fail. I was
732
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.239
scared to not be good or I don't know. I
733
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.559
think I just, you know, you find something you love,
734
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.039
you just do it. I don't think I really thought
735
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.400
about work ethics so much as just, you know, this
736
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.320
is what I love, and what do I do to
737
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.639
be good at it. I don't think I had any
738
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.760
I can't say that I had any you know, real
739
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.960
thoughts about it. You know. I just did it and
740
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.960
I loved it, and so I did more of it
741
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.239
and I worked at it and I took classes and
742
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.559
that was it. You know. I don't think I knew
743
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.440
any better.
744
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.960
You know. Yeah, And I think for those who can
745
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.440
discover that sooner than later. Are the ones who are
746
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.960
really fortunate once you find it and you pursue it,
747
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.360
you know, because I'm thinking of myself. I was in
748
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.679
a profession for fifteen years and I'm in a transition.
749
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.559
But there was things that I was pointing to. What
750
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.079
did I like about what I was doing? And now
751
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.880
I'm pursuing that in the process of playing for grad
752
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.639
school and things like that. So it's again, yeah, it's
753
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.679
the things that I enjoyed what I did. You know,
754
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.960
maybe it wasn't the environment, or maybe it wasn't that institution,
755
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.239
but this what are the elements, and I'm going to
756
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.599
pursue that thing. So that's that's where I'm at right now.
757
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.800
So I understand that just doing what you love.
758
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.599
I just couldn't see any way around it, you know.
759
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.239
I just I'm not that kind of person who can
760
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.320
do something I hated. You know, I remember when I remember,
761
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.239
you know, I had a few jobs when I mean
762
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.159
I had to start working early because you know, we
763
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.679
didn't have a lot of money, and in fact, I
764
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:37.400
had to have my mom sign up a release to
765
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.800
let me run a paper route when I was like eight.
766
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.440
You know, Oh wow, And but you know, I did
767
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.920
the paper route. I worked in a grocery store, a
768
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.920
key food was a supermarket when I was in high school.
769
00:44:54.440 --> 00:45:01.079
And then I remember working at a pharmacy for one summer,
770
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.880
and I worked at a in an office at a
771
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:10.360
credit agency for one summer, and I just it was
772
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:16.519
obvious to me at offices no you know, pharmacy store,
773
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:23.119
no supermarket. No. Though though I did date somebody was
774
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.840
really fantastic, you know who worked there. But it had
775
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.480
a social life. But it was like, this is not
776
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.400
going to be my life. These are these are not
777
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.800
things that so you know what I mean, nothing else.
778
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.440
I mean I thought about, you know, when I was
779
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.159
going to college, you know, a lawyer or a journalist.
780
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.599
I don't know. Just that's sort of what I ended
781
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.960
up doing. But I am not somebody who was made
782
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.199
to work in an office. You know. If I remember
783
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.960
working at the credit agency, I I would have to
784
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.480
go run errands for them sometimes, and it was so cliched,
785
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.320
you know. I mean I literally had the calendar on
786
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.360
the wall. It was exing off the days, and you know,
787
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:00.840
and I would go out to run an errands that
788
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.760
should have taken twenty minutes, and I'd come back like
789
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:06.719
an hour later, and there was a mom and pop place,
790
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.440
you know, wife, and they were older, and they were
791
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.480
so nice to me. And we got to the end
792
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.400
of the summer and they said, look, we know this
793
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.920
is not for you. We loved having you here. You're
794
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.239
a good worker, you're great. Don't do this for a living, right,
795
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.360
you know. And I was like, Okay, thank you.
796
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.440
Yeah, you know, well they were looking out for you, and.
797
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.199
But I think it was obvious that I was meant
798
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.960
for those things. I think people, you know, some people
799
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.880
really need that consistency in life, you know, and it
800
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.079
really works for them. But it was not not for me.
801
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:47.719
So what keeps driving you to act and to continue
802
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.360
to be in this profession with all the changes? I mean,
803
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.960
I know Hollywood changes all the time, in the film
804
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.960
industry changes, But what's that drive that keeps you adapting
805
00:46:58.960 --> 00:46:59.800
to those changes.
806
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.000
Well, part of it is just making a living.
807
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:05.559
Sure.
808
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.440
I mean I have two kids. I was raising two
809
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.639
kids and I had to make a living, you know.
810
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.400
So the yes that it is my career. I know
811
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.239
people like to talk about it as a dream, but
812
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.239
you know, I've been doing this for forty years. You know,
813
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.320
this is my career. So yes, that's how I make money.
814
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.039
So that was part of it, and then I think,
815
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.760
you know, at this stage of my life, part of
816
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.599
it is just to do things that really interest me
817
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.559
and to keep growing, you know. I mean, I honestly
818
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.000
keep growing, keep getting better, you know. I mean I
819
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.800
had a job last year which really stretched me and
820
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.719
it was great. I mean, it kind of took me
821
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.039
back for a minute. I was like, oh shit, really
822
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.159
I'm having trouble with this, but so great to be
823
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.840
like really stretched and pushed and go okay, you know.
824
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.320
I mean, the thing about doing this work is it's
825
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.199
not easy. I think sometimes people think that what we
826
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:08.440
do is easy and it's not, and it's you know,
827
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:15.960
and it's it's glamorous for those guys you know, right,
828
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.800
I'm not. I'm not one of those guys.
829
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:19.360
You know.
830
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.280
You know, I don't you know, I don't you know,
831
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.440
I don't go to award shows and this and that
832
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.360
and the other, and you know, uh so yes there's glamor,
833
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:33.800
but glamor or not, it's hard work, yeah, you know,
834
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.519
and it's fun. Yeah, So all those things, you know,
835
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:43.559
keep me going and uh yeah, it's fun, it's hard work.
836
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:48.800
I don't. I love doing it, you know, I haven't.
837
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.400
I suppose if if I ever stopped liking doing it,
838
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.119
I'd go do something else. But I love doing it
839
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.079
and I love people, you know. I love the community
840
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.760
and the people.
841
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:04.760
Absolutely. Is there a certain achievement that you have reach
842
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.400
ers or something that you're just really proud that you've
843
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.119
been a part of in your career thus.
844
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.039
Far, I've done a lot of work that I'm proud of,
845
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:19.360
you know. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'll be interested.
846
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.480
I did. I'll be interested to see what happens with
847
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.239
this film I did last year, you know how that
848
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.760
comes out. You know, I'm in the Michael Jackson movie
849
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:28.599
that comes out.
850
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:36.519
You know, and you know I'm I'm you know, I'm
851
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.599
I'm a supporting player, an important supporting player, okay.
852
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.280
And I'm happy to be that guy. And you know
853
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.880
that is where my career has ended up and being
854
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.840
you know, sort of that second level you know of
855
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:56.000
supporting player and and you know actor and so yeah,
856
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.800
I'm proud of all of it because it ain't easy, no,
857
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.960
not easy to have a career in this business and
858
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.039
to work consistently. You know, you have to change you
859
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.719
have to adapt, you know, And.
860
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.960
So yeah, well that's awesome. I mean I was already
861
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.920
looking forward to that movie, like I'm going to see
862
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.159
it the day it comes out, So this gives me
863
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.599
even more reason to see it the day it comes out.
864
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.639
So I'm looking forward to that. That's awesome.
865
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:26.920
Yeah, Michael Jackson.
866
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.320
Yeah, I mean, you know, the beginning of my life,
867
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.280
I remember King of Pop and then you know, as
868
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.119
I got in middle school, high school, he became the
869
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.159
butt of every joke. So I have both, just like everybody, right,
870
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:47.079
there's there's it's a complicated thing, but I do to
871
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.440
this day still listen to his music and enjoy his
872
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:55.159
music because it ignites something inside of me. That and
873
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:59.360
it's very nostalgic. Some of my earliest memories was our
874
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.599
first house Alta Dina, just me running around in my underwear,
875
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.639
listening to Black or White or Bad or all my
876
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.760
dad's vinyls. So yeah, those were always be core memories
877
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.400
to me, just dancing in our living room to Michael Jackson.
878
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:15.880
So yeah, looking forward to.
879
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.039
That movie, dude, I am. I hate to tell you,
880
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.119
but I'm old enough to remember.
881
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.119
Jackson Jackson five. Yeah, you know.
882
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:25.880
I remember little Michael.
883
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.320
Jackson, you know, yeah, yeah, And.
884
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:34.199
I remember seeing them on television, you know, Little Jackson
885
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:34.800
five on.
886
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:35.239
Yeah.
887
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:38.000
I can't remember if they were on at Sullivan or
888
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.119
if it was Soul Train or or Dick Clark.
889
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.639
I mean it was Dick Clark. Dick Clark had them
890
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.199
on a lot and would interview Michael specifically. Yeah.
891
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.239
I remember seeing them all the time, you know.
892
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.480
Yeah, So I'm looking forward to that movie. So I
893
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.119
can't wait, can't wait. Okay, as we are starting to
894
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:03.960
to wrap up here, just wanted to talk. Is there
895
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:08.679
any kind of funny memories or things on set that
896
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.639
you want to share? No? No, okay, I.
897
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.800
Mean I have a million funny stories, but no, you know, no.
898
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.840
Okay, yeah, I didn't think so, I didn't think I
899
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.000
was going to get that. Okay, last question, and this
900
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.000
might be, you know, we'll go with it. But in
901
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:34.639
a industry that rejection is high and you might audition
902
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.519
for something you don't get it, how do you deal
903
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:41.239
with just rejection or criticism in this industry?
904
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.880
I actually don't get a lot of criticism.
905
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.119
Great, you know, and.
906
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:58.000
I think I think, for first of all, there is
907
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.800
no rejection in this industry nobody sits there going through resumes,
908
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.159
going oh I reject you, I reject you. You know,
909
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:10.840
there's acceptance. The problem is is that there's one part
910
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.800
and there's three hundred people auditioning for it or thirty,
911
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.599
do you know what I mean? So there is acceptance,
912
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.280
and I think that that's something that people don't really
913
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:24.119
quite understand, you know, which is that there's acceptance, you know,
914
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.719
and they want to accept. They're looking to accept the
915
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.280
person that's going to fit for them.
916
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:29.760
You know.
917
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.039
They're really not sitting there looking to reject people. So
918
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.599
it's not rejection so much as you know, the same
919
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.840
thing as an athlete, you know, which is, you know,
920
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.280
you got to work your way up to winning the race.
921
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.719
Some people start out and they're just faster and they
922
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:47.840
win the races right from the get go, and some
923
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.280
people have to work at it. I think that's a
924
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.519
really big thing. But also when we talk about the industry,
925
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.719
it's different for different levels of people. You know, how
926
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:00.639
the industry is for the stars is completely different than
927
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.920
it is for the the you know, working you know,
928
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.559
working actors like me, you know, the supporting players. We
929
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.679
may get a slightly tepid review, but nobody's going to
930
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.280
go to town on me in a review. You know,
931
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.039
they might in a play, you know, if I'm in that,
932
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.840
but you know they're going to go after Scarlett Johansson
933
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:27.719
wherever the hell it is, you know. So we have
934
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.159
different kinds of criticisms, you know what I mean. Social
935
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.239
media is not really a thing for actors like me
936
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:39.800
in the way it is for other people. And I mean,
937
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.800
I think that our industry suffers in the same way
938
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.960
that the conversation we started this whole thing with. It
939
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:53.239
suffers from, you know, to many executives being siloed and
940
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.960
all about making money and not really about people and
941
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.519
not really about even the product sometimes, you know. And
942
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.760
I think that our whole country suffers from this. I mean,
943
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:09.400
you know, and I love making money, don't get me wrong,
944
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:14.480
I'm so for it. But I just feel like, you know, guys,
945
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.440
you know Wall Street. I remember years ago Wall Street
946
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:27.400
downgraded Whole Foods before Amazon bought them outgraded Whole Foods
947
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:32.320
because they're paying their employees too well. Right, So to me, like,
948
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.159
can we just change that mindset? You know, Wall Street
949
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.199
it's a greed machine and if we let that be
950
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.360
the arbiter of everything. Then everything is just about making
951
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that money, regardless of what it is, you know. I mean, listen, man,
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I am so glad if you're a CEO and you're
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able to make a lot of money. But you know,
954
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at the end of the day, you know, does all
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the money have to flow upwards?
956
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You know?
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At what you know, we were losing the middle class.
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And you know, the middle class is what made this
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country great. And it's the same in our industry. It's
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00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.559
the same in every industry, you know. I remember years
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ago I was doing a TV show and we were
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00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.760
going through a negotiation and the stars said to me.
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You know, he said, listen, we stars are going to
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get our money no matter what. It doesn't matter what happens.
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You know, the stars are always going to get their money.
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It's the rest of you guys. But what happens is
967
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is that people don't realize that the only reason the
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00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.079
stars are able to do what they do and be
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00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.400
as good as they are is that you're able to
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00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.039
create a world for them, you know, and that world
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is everybody else, you know, all the supporting players. Maybe
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that's what you know some of these people have in
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00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.559
mind with AI that are just going to fill out.
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00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.960
You know, they're going to pay three stars and then
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and everyone else is just going to be AI. I
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don't know, it's just me, man. You know, as much
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as I love everything and everybody, there's a time when
978
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:10.960
I just kind of go, I want all of us.
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I want the whole tie to rise.
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You know.
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It's not even about being woke or not woke, or
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this or that or the other. It's just about you know,
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I want everybody to write, you know. I want the
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crew members to get decently paid. I want actors to
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get decently paid.
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You know.
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I want you know, Uber drivers to get decently paid.
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You know. And I just feel like we kind of
989
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:37.440
lost sight of at the end of the day, it's
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it is about people, you.
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Know, absolutely, you know.
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I mean that's how I feel about, you know, the
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world in general. I mean, I love people. I love
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all of it. I love our industry, I love what
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00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.239
we do, and and but it is about people. Yeah,
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00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.119
all these stories, what are the stories about? They're about people.
997
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:57.920
You know, we're storytellers.
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00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:58.400
You know.
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It's about the human experience. So I just want us
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to continue to have human experiences.
1001
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:06.920
Absolutely.
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However you want to categorize them, you know, whether it's
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you know, working on a cattle ranch or you know
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or whatever. You know.
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00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.039
Yeah, no, I love that. I love that it is
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about people and you know, circling to what we were
1007
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.320
talking about the beginning, it's about community, it's about being
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00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.440
with each other and as we as we close. I
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think this is a perfect segue into an actors space.
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00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.840
And you alluded to it. You're you're a coach or
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00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.039
an acting coach, But can you tell our listeners a
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00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.840
little bit about an actor space and what you do
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00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.199
there and the importance of that.
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00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.639
Uh, well, I it's my studio where I teach, and
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00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.480
I have two classes, one for working actors and one
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for early career actors, and I train actors. And I
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00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.480
think it's super important because I think a lot of times,
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00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.119
you know, actors come out of universe cities or you know,
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00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.360
certain training programs and this and that and the other,
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and they've learned to do the craft, but they haven't
1021
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.119
learned to do the job. And so you know, sometimes
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I think you need people like me to help, you know,
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make the transition from you know, the classroom to the profession.
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00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:24.280
And I also think musicians practice their whole lives. Dancers, painters,
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you know, and actors have to do the same. Actors need,
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00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.079
you know, to be able to practice their craft. And
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so that's what we do. And I love coaching and
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you know, helping people with their auditions, helping people with
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their craft because I love what I do. I love
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00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.079
what we do. I love, you know, sort of this thing.
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00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.039
And I mean, if I can help people achieve their
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00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.519
their dreams, great, just get better, you know. But it's
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00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:59.239
also about you know, really telling the truth, you know,
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00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.039
help when people get better. You know. The the interesting
1035
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.920
thing about being an acting coach is if you've really
1036
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.039
done your job right, you put yourself out of business,
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01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:11.880
you know. And yeah, but you know, there's always an
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01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.800
there's always the next audition and the next audition and
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01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.599
the next one. And that's the fun of it. And
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01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.360
I think all artists need a community. And that's another
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01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.920
thing that my classes are about, is community.
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01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:26.800
You know. Yeah, so it's kind of like a cohort then.
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01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.199
Yeah, I mean, you're getting better, you're learning from me,
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01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.480
you know, if that's what you're at, but you're also
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01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.920
working on your craft and expanding and changing, and you know,
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01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.840
like one of the things is. You know a lot
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01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.840
of auditions are self tapes now, you know, so who
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01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.239
do you do them with? You have your ready made
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01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.960
actors in class, you know, you have you have your
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01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.719
people you can complain to, you know, this audition the
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01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:56.320
other day, my agent sucks. Oh my agent is great. Oh,
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01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.840
you know, and you have a place you can you
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01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.119
and download if that makes sense, and and upload at
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01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:04.760
the same time.
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01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.599
So I am curious on that because with you know,
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sending in your tape and online auditions and things like that,
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01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:15.960
because rarely isn't like a conversation like this on Zoom, right,
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01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.280
It's you're just mostly sending it in and.
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01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:24.039
Sometimes it is like this. Yeah, some auditions are live commercials,
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01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.320
you know, there are some live commercial auditions, okay, and
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01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.920
callbacks are on zoom theatrically, though, everything is self taped.
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01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:37.280
So today's actor has to be even more versatile than
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01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.360
probably ever before. You know.
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01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:43.880
You know, we've always been putting ourselves on tape. I
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01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.280
mean I've done it for years, you know, for this
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01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:48.960
or that if you're not in town, or this or
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01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.000
that or the other. But it became a thing during
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01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.679
the pandemic, you know, and then the studios and the
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01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.159
networks realized, oh shit, we don't have to pay for
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01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.320
rehearsal space. We don't have to pay for the rector
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01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.079
and the producers to be in the room, we don't
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01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.159
have to pay for the you know. So yeah, it
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01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.840
becomes about that we can see more people and paid less.
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01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.119
I mean, you know, it's it's a thing. But so
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01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.239
today's actor, yes, has to be more versatile in that way.
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01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:20.000
But there are also advantages to self tapes too. You know,
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01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.719
you don't have just one shot. You can do as
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01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:24.480
many takes as you want till you get it right.
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01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.000
And so there's a lot of advantages and disadvantages. I
1080
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.119
just think sometimes we all want things to be the
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01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:37.800
way they were, you know, that just thing happening. You know,
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01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:40.719
you have to change, you know, I've seen so many
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01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.920
changes in my time in the industry and and changes
1084
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.840
in the style of work, the style of acting. Like
1085
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:48.719
you go watch a movie from the eighties and you're like,
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01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:54.159
what the heck? You know, that's a script, you know.
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01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.559
I mean, it's it's interesting having my kids, you know,
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01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.559
watch movies that I loved as a kid, and they're like,
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01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:03.639
it's so slow. D Yeah, you know, because they all
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01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.639
that exposition and this and that and the other. Now
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01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:09.000
stuff moves quicker, so so you have to change. And
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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.480
I think it's incumbent upon people to change. And that's
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01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.639
why they're great acting coaches and teachers who can help
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01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:21.639
people adjust and change. And sometimes people don't want to change.
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01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:24.679
That's cool, but you know, if you want to stay
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01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.480
in something, sometimes you've got to be able to change.
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01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.199
And that's a that's a thing for life, a lesson
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01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:30.840
for life.
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01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.480
I think that's a beautiful way just to end the conversation.
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01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.400
And what I'm hearing from you and when I'm taking
1101
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.320
away from our time together is just community is important,
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01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.599
and I know we know that, but it's just when
1103
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.159
you do things with people, life is a lot more
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01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:55.079
enjoyable and easier. And also just love what you do.
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01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:59.440
And oh and them, you know, that's that's the truth.
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01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.880
You know, us in them serves then it doesn't serve us.
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01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.559
There is no you know, we're all we're all here,
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01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:13.039
you know, so you know, let's uh, let's let's let's
1109
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:17.760
understand that. But then there's human nature, and what are
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01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:18.199
you gonna do?
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01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.159
We move along, we keep chucking along.
1112
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:23.119
We keep on trucking.
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01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.079
All right, Robert, All right, rob Well before we let
1114
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.119
you go, is there anything you want to plug? You
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01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:32.039
mentioned the Michael Jackson movie that's coming out. If anybody's
1116
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:34.480
listening to this wants to get involved with an actor space,
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01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:35.519
where can they find.
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01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.880
All that www dot a actor space dot com.
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01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:40.800
Simple as that.
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01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:44.400
Yeah, and everything else is just you know, they have
1121
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:48.119
marketing teams for the studios. Got a couple of commercials
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01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.760
running on television, you know. So yeah, it's just all
1123
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:52.320
out there.
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01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.639
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time.
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01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.880
Thank you for asking.
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01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.000
If you for listening to episode two twenty of the
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1135
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.360
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01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.960
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01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:38.280
right now is called sweet Moon on the Wild Machines
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01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.960
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amazing retro inspired music wherever you stream music. Be sure
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01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:50.440
to check out Rob Brownstein's acting studio. It's called an
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01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.239
actor Space and all you gotta do is click an
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01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.800
actorspace dot Com link in the description of this episode.
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01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.440
Also check out Rob's IMBB I guarantee you he's been
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in something that you've seen before. Next week, we have
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Jesse from the site in Sound Podcast. He's gonna return
1146
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.840
to Ready to Retro as we discuss the twentieth anniversary
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01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:16.639
of Dashboard Confessional's fourth studio album, Dusk and Summer. Can't
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wait to talk about this one. We'll see you then.
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We're Ready to Retro. Are acute