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Brian Wringer: Opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter. Random song of the minute.
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Brian Wringer: Visit radio.tro.bike in your web browser to get a playlist of our random song of the minute.
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Brian Wringer: Super random this week. I would like everybody to listen to Hun Her Tu.
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Brian Wringer: 60 Horses in My Herd is the song. A group of, it's culturally Mongolian.
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Brian Wringer: They are from the borderlands and they're technically in Siberia.
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Brian Wringer: But anyway, Hunhar II are masters of Tuvan throat singing.
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Brian Wringer: The throat singing means you're creating multiple tones at once with just the human voice. And...
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Brian Wringer: And Mongolian, even if you can't understand a single word, they're pretty amazing.
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Brian Wringer: You know, they're about riding horses and herding and being on the steps and
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Brian Wringer: freedom. And you can just feel that in the music. It's a lot of fun.
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Brian Wringer: We're going to hep you cats to Mongolian roots music.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, man.
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Brian Wringer: And so 60 Horses in My Herd, you get some throat singing at about 326 in the
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Brian Wringer: version we've picked out.
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Brian Wringer: Somehow horse music just kind of works for motorcycle people too. I love it.
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Brian Wringer: I will say, if you look up some Mongolian heavy metal, the Mongolian people
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Brian Wringer: are making some of the heaviest, darkest, most incredible heavy metal music on the planet.
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Brian Wringer: And Robin, what's your news about tours?
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Robin Dean: Yeah, we got five tours now listed at tours.tro.bike. That will take you automatically
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Robin Dean: to our group motorcycle tours page.
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Robin Dean: I ended up needing to cancel all tours for 2026, which was a little bit of a
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Robin Dean: breathing relief because last year it was really eventful. There was a lot to handle.
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Robin Dean: 27, though, is jam-packed with a series of damn good times.
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Robin Dean: Starts on the 28th of April for the Truth or Consequences Tour.
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Robin Dean: The month after that, Trip 7's, which I believe is just about already sold out.
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Robin Dean: So Trip 7 has one spot left And that one spot is actually Socially reserved
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Robin Dean: for somebody But we're just not sure if they're going to be able to do it We'll
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Robin Dean: see August 4th, we're going to run Wisco Disco Nice,
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Robin Dean: Then it gets obscure. Beginning the weekend of September 11th,
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Robin Dean: we may run the Lake Michigan Circle Tour, and then October 13th,
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Robin Dean: the Texas Hill Country Tour.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: All of these tours are on the site. That's what I got.
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Brian Wringer: Looking forward to 27 already. Yeah. Yeah, and we have some rides of our own
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Brian Wringer: coming up here in this fall. It's going to be fun.
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Brian Wringer: So what have you been reading, Robin? What's up in your world?
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Robin Dean: It is Astrophysics for People in a Hurry, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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Robin Dean: And that book, it does not wait.
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Robin Dean: That book comes out swinging haymakers like Ali, Foreman, and Tyson all at once.
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Robin Dean: Like it says it's going to be concise and help you get to the point quickly,
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Robin Dean: but you better have your high school science books out to remind yourself.
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Robin Dean: Quarks are and how they operate like that's in the first 20 pages 15 of which
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Robin Dean: are the forward i'm happy reading that the toy hauler fix-ups are coming along basic maintenance,
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Robin Dean: diagnosing issues resolving those issues re-resolving those issues with better resolvements,
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Robin Dean: it's you know it's all coming along.
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Brian Wringer: It's a constant battle huh
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Robin Dean: Riveting stuff you know the kind of thing that people tune into here.
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Robin Dean: For me, it's national get ready for track day day tomorrow.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to test pack the SV. You know, I'd like to ride the SV if I can.
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Robin Dean: And if I just don't have the luggage capacity to do everything I need to,
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Robin Dean: I'll end up bringing my bike. How about you, man? What's good?
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Brian Wringer: Same here. Tracky, track, track, tracking, track, blah, blah,
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Brian Wringer: blah, blah. Getting ready for that.
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Brian Wringer: The problem here is I just haven't had another track day this year.
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Brian Wringer: You really need to have two or three a year I think and I just haven't another
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Brian Wringer: set of tires just spooned those on last night and another set of tires you know
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Brian Wringer: on the shelf before their time I hate that but you know you just got to do what you got to do
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Brian Wringer: still need to do an oil change but everything else is pretty much done and then
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Brian Wringer: Saturday morning I'll I'll finish the prep
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Brian Wringer: take the signals off and all that happy stuff yeah and we've got the logistics
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Brian Wringer: logically logicked out so we can take one bike there get a preview
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Brian Wringer: See the grounds drop off our stuff get the vibe i really like that idea it's
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Brian Wringer: close enough to my house that we can just kind of go over there drop a bunch
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Brian Wringer: of stuff off save ourselves save ourselves a lot of time and trouble sunday morning
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Brian Wringer: and also kind of see people see what's going on catch the vibe and all that
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Brian Wringer: stuff i like that i did find that some gee somehow my leathers somehow uh seemed
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Brian Wringer: to have shrunk a bit over the winter so no time to lose 10 pounds before the
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Brian Wringer: So I'll just, everything's good. It's ready to go.
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Brian Wringer: I've got my upgraded armor, courtesy of Gear Check Joanne.
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Brian Wringer: Pointed me to the right stuff. So all the armor's upgraded, all that good stuff.
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Brian Wringer: So we're ready to go there.
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Brian Wringer: Also mentioned that I just updated. We do keep this maintained.
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Brian Wringer: We don't talk about it a lot, but the road rubber rankings on TRO.bike.
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Brian Wringer: So go to TRO.bike, look under DigiTools, and look for road rubber rankings.
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Brian Wringer: And you'll get our list of prices and reviews for sport touring tires.
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Brian Wringer: Just updated that. Dunlop pricing has actually eased off just a little tiny bit.
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Brian Wringer: But they're still very almost, I think they're pretty much consistently the
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Brian Wringer: priciest brand. Michelin's next.
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Brian Wringer: And then I think we're going to take the T32 Bridgestone off there.
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Brian Wringer: It looks like it's discontinued.
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Brian Wringer: The T33 is their new hotness and they're easily available.
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Brian Wringer: So anyway, that's all there. But one of the issues you have to remember is it
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Brian Wringer: gets into late summer and early fall and winter.
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Brian Wringer: Stocks of motorcycle tires start to dwindle down. People don't want to carry
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Brian Wringer: that inventory into the next year, at least in our hemisphere.
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Brian Wringer: So the question related to that is I'm considering is, okay,
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Brian Wringer: I just put my sixth set of those Pirelli Angel STs on my bike. Love the things.
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Brian Wringer: We've gone through, I don't know how many, we could fill a room with dead Pirelli STs.
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Robin Dean: Yes, absolutely.
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Brian Wringer: And the pricing is great on Amazon. And they're still there.
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Brian Wringer: $280 a set. They're fantastic.
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Brian Wringer: But should I order something else for science and try that out?
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Brian Wringer: Because we need more, you know, we need more reviews on our Road Rubber rankings
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Brian Wringer: page. But these are such a deal.
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Robin Dean: They've been a steady go-to.
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Brian Wringer: I'm predicting that Missouri, especially for Ride to Missouri,
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Brian Wringer: is probably going to be about the end of this set of tires. So I'll probably
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Brian Wringer: need another one before Kentucky. We'll see.
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Brian Wringer: We used to do a segment called Tiny Tasty Tooltip. had a jingle and everything
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Robin Dean: One or two per episode all.
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Brian Wringer: Right i just got a box of mechanics brand nickelbacks
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Brian Wringer: they're sweat absorbing nitrile gloves and i know this is a stupid thing
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Brian Wringer: but a lot of people including myself if you wear nitrile gloves to work on stuff
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Brian Wringer: you kind of end up with this slippery dangerous bag of sweat and mixed fingers rather than something
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Robin Dean: Tell me more.
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Brian Wringer: So So anyway, these guys, they're supposedly, they have like this,
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Brian Wringer: they actually have a cotton flocked lining on the inside and you can feel it
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Brian Wringer: like you. They slide on real easy.
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Brian Wringer: They let a little air circulation in or they absorb the sweat.
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Brian Wringer: I'm not sure what happens. Supposedly they solve this problem.
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Brian Wringer: They're really high quality gloves anyway.
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Brian Wringer: 22 bucks for a box of 50 is kind of expensive.
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Brian Wringer: We'll see what happens. That's a very, very, very tiny, very tasty tool tip. Next up.
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Brian Wringer: Listener questions, and maybe even a question from the wild.
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Robin Dean: If you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Brian Wringer: This was an interesting one. Hi there! What do you recommend as a hitch-mounted
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Brian Wringer: motorcycle carrier to transport a Honda XR 650L?
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Robin Dean: Now this question was sent directly to TRO via our Facebook page.
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Brian Wringer: Nice. First, explain what a Honda XR650L is.
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Robin Dean: XR650L is a 650cc dual sport bike. It's about 365 pounds wet.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, so it's basically a dirt bike with lights. It's air-cooled,
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Brian Wringer: so it's not heavy. Like a KLR is over 400 pounds.
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Brian Wringer: This is on the lighter side of the 650 dual sports, just so you can picture what you got here.
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Robin Dean: This article is from 2018, and it still gets a lot of attention, which is how we do.
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Robin Dean: I wrote this article quickly, quick tow gear for locally stranded bikes.
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Robin Dean: Basically, it was inspired by the need for a rescue system to easily be able
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Robin Dean: to convert a vehicle via tow hitch into a tow vehicle for a motorcycle.
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Robin Dean: The whole idea was how compact can we get? How much do you need?
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Robin Dean: Just keep on up and up. It was a crescendo of scale as the article goes on,
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Robin Dean: and it starts with these little compact insert your front wheel and tow it on its rear wheel.
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Robin Dean: So disconnect the chain, put it on its front wheel and just drag it for maybe
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Robin Dean: up to 30 miles slowly down the road to a destination where it can be dealt with.
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Robin Dean: I think that's still greatly adequate, but...
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Robin Dean: The next level up from that, immediately, you're at the Black Widow series, which are the trays.
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Robin Dean: They're a wide-body tray that goes into your hitch outlet on your truck or whatever
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Robin Dean: vehicle you have that's got the whoop-ass necessary.
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Brian Wringer: You're going to want a truck.
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Robin Dean: You're talking about a tow hitch-mounted motorcycle carrier.
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Brian Wringer: It's big.
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Robin Dean: I don't mean big by trailer level. I'm talking about, it's just a hunk of metal
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Robin Dean: that tries its best to be absolutely as small as possible, gets inserted into
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Robin Dean: the outlet, and you sideload the bike onto it with a built-in detachable ramp that you can fold away,
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Robin Dean: strap it to this thing, and get where you're going.
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Robin Dean: I wouldn't want to tote my bike to a rally four hours away on this thing,
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Robin Dean: but in a pinch, I'd be happy to do it.
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Robin Dean: Now, the thing of it is, those are really the only two portable options shy
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Robin Dean: of using the bed of your truck with a tailgate bracing.
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Robin Dean: That's what I do. I've got two tailgate braces. That means you drop the tailgate,
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Robin Dean: you put in a metallic arm on both sides.
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Robin Dean: That creates rigidity. You ramp the bike into place, chalk it,
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Robin Dean: strap it to the front and rear hooks of the bed diagonally, and then you're
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Robin Dean: on your way down the road.
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Robin Dean: But in this person's case, I just said, you want any trailer hitch carrier,
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Robin Dean: like the Black Widow, that is capable of handling, you really should aim for
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Robin Dean: twice the weight of your bike, if not at least an extra third.
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Robin Dean: If you have a 500 pound bike and this thing says rated for 500 pounds.
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Robin Dean: Now deal with the leverage of that situation and find out if anything isn't
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Robin Dean: warped out of shape by the time you get there or if the bike's even still on it.
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Robin Dean: So add an extra third of durability to it, if not double, you know,
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Robin Dean: for the XR650L, 345 to 365 pounds wet weight somewhere in there.
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Robin Dean: I don't remember what I read last night, whatever it is, look for something
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Robin Dean: that is 500 pounds to 600 pounds and you should be good to go you know that's
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Robin Dean: my answer what would you suggest.
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Brian Wringer: A reputable brand you know this bike's 350 365 you definitely want something
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Brian Wringer: that's not just a 400 pound capacity
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Brian Wringer: i've seen things go wrong most often what happens is damage to the vehicle you
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Brian Wringer: need like a full-size pickup or you know something with a really solid two-inch
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Brian Wringer: receiver that has the capacity for something like this.
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Brian Wringer: So some of these are rated like at 600 pounds. So I definitely get one that's
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Brian Wringer: rated for 600 pounds for this particular bike.
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Brian Wringer: Make sure it's attached to a really solid frame vehicle.
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Brian Wringer: I've got a two inch receiver on my minivan, but it's a unibody vehicle.
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Brian Wringer: This thing is low to the ground. There's no way I would try this on that vehicle.
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Brian Wringer: Technically it fits within the weight limits and so forth, but it's very sketchy.
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Brian Wringer: And also like if you're using an suv make sure the bike is secured so that it
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Brian Wringer: can't bounce into the window i've seen that happen too boosh yeah if you go
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Brian Wringer: over a pothole or something and the thing can bounce into the window and and that's not good
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Robin Dean: Did you hear something no did you no.
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Brian Wringer: Kind of loud in here all of a sudden
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Robin Dean: Air conditioning's really breezy.
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Brian Wringer: The other thing to consider is lighting. You may want to consider a light kit,
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Brian Wringer: magnetic lights or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: Sometimes you can get them that are attached to the carrier or just to go on
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Brian Wringer: with magnets or something, but plugs in like a trailer, but it reproduces your
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Brian Wringer: lights in a place that people can see them where it's not blocked by the wheels.
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Robin Dean: I'll cap Brian's take on it by mentioning if you do go with the big vehicle
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Robin Dean: or whatever, that big vehicle should have more subsidiary model names than you
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Robin Dean: can typically find in most vehicles.
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Robin Dean: Our main towing vehicle is a 2015 Ford F-350 King Ranch Super Duty Crew Cab Lariat.
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Robin Dean: I think I've got a three-inch outlet for bumper tow. This thing was designed to tow itself.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. I'm going to be the first to admit I'm a little bit tired of new bike
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Brian Wringer: questions and so forth, but I thought this one had an interesting twist,
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Brian Wringer: so we'll deal with this briefly.
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Brian Wringer: I'm buying my first bike should i get a new chinese bike off amazon and this
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Brian Wringer: caught my attention because i often
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Brian Wringer: do recommend that new riders strongly consider buying a brand new bike
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Brian Wringer: just because they don't have the skill set yet to understand and deal with old
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Brian Wringer: bike crap and you can always sell
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Brian Wringer: a smaller starter bike if it's in decent shape it'll sell very easily so basically
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Brian Wringer: you tie up some capital for a little while, but if you can do it, go ahead.
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Robin Dean: I think I would contest that though. My first bike, 1982 Yamaha XS400 RJ Sega
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Robin Dean: had a single disc front shoe rear, no ABS, no traction control,
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Robin Dean: dual 18 inch wheels. It was a weird machine.
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Robin Dean: There are certain things I think contribute to a rider getting to know the physical
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Robin Dean: truth behind the mechanics of the machine.
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Robin Dean: That's a fight you and I should have someday, and we should itemize how we do it.
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Brian Wringer: And again, I started on a Suzuki 400 with a drum front brake,
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Brian Wringer: and so did millions of other people.
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Brian Wringer: I think it's just one of those things people should consider if they can,
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Brian Wringer: or at least buy a used bike that actually works.
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Brian Wringer: Because the thing I've seen that scares the hell out of me is newbies that show
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Brian Wringer: up, you know, like they need help with their bike or something.
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Brian Wringer: And they'll ride over here on a turd that I could barely take around the block
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Brian Wringer: and I know what I'm doing because they just don't know any better.
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Brian Wringer: You know, something's wrong, you know, steering stand bearings. So...
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Brian Wringer: If you have the means, it's worth considering. If you don't,
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Brian Wringer: look for something used. It's, you know, get the best bike you can so you can
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Brian Wringer: get those concerns out of your way.
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Brian Wringer: So it was interesting. You're like, should I get a Chinese, you know,
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Brian Wringer: one of those Chinese bikes off of Amazon?
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Brian Wringer: I'm not a fan of that approach, even though I am a fan of considering a new bike.
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Brian Wringer: If you look on YouTube, you'll see a lot of reviews. There's some guy,
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Brian Wringer: I can't remember the guy's name, but the YouTube channel's called Bikes and Beards.
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Brian Wringer: And he'll slip a little preaching in there, Bible verse in here.
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Brian Wringer: But other than that, he has some interesting reviews where he gets a Chinese
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Brian Wringer: bike and he puts it together in a Walmart parking lot or something like that.
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Brian Wringer: The problem with these is a couple of things. One is basically you get a motorcycle kit and a crate.
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Brian Wringer: So you don't get a bike you can just fire up and ride off.
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Robin Dean: No, it's plastic wrapped.
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Brian Wringer: You have to finish putting the thing together. Even if the bike is fine when
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Brian Wringer: you get it all done, And it's not really a beginner, what I would call a beginner project.
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Brian Wringer: If you know what you're doing and you're just kind of farting around,
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Brian Wringer: it'd be kind of fun. Or if you have someone with you who's got some experience
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Brian Wringer: to turn this pile of parts that you're going to get into a vehicle,
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Brian Wringer: I don't know, it could be fun.
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Brian Wringer: It is risky. You know, you can't find parts.
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Brian Wringer: Something's broken. You're communicating across the other side of the country, all that stuff.
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Robin Dean: There is an upside to the fact that you are getting a bike, and I think Brian's going to arrive at this.
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Robin Dean: You are getting a bike that you can ride and be a little bit less worried about.
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Robin Dean: You're learning post-licensing course what it really means in the real world to be a motorcyclist.
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Robin Dean: And sometimes you might realize, oh, I did that to my bike. And I remember them
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Robin Dean: mentioning that in the class.
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Robin Dean: And now I've done some damage. And you can say to yourself, well,
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Robin Dean: thank goodness I didn't invest in,
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Robin Dean: you know, I will now buy the absolute best, biggest bike because that means
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Robin Dean: I know what I'm, no, get yourself something that you may expand your learning on.
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Robin Dean: And if any mistakes happen, things that aren't that big of a deal,
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Robin Dean: you'll be on a bike where that's okay. You can get away with it.
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Robin Dean: But as for the Chinese bikes, Brian, carry on.
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Brian Wringer: There's a balance there. What I would say, if you're really interested in the
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Brian Wringer: idea of a new bike, look at something like CF Moto. They're an established company
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Brian Wringer: with a U.S. presence. They have dealers and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: Something like the 300NK, naked 300, it's 4,200 bucks.
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Brian Wringer: And CF Moto bikes, they have a good reputation. They're screwed together pretty
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Brian Wringer: well. They have an actual dealer network, that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: The other thing is maybe look at Royal Enfield. They have dealers here and there all over the U.S.
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Brian Wringer: They're a long-established brand. They build really tough bikes at a good price.
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Brian Wringer: You know, and things look for a 300cc or smaller used bike. That's the usual
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Brian Wringer: advice. You know, they're a little hard to find.
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Brian Wringer: And also, I've met people that have bought like, you know, 125 or 150,
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Brian Wringer: bought like a kind of a really small Honda or whatever, used that for a while,
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Brian Wringer: and then they're planning to sell it as they move on.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, there are options out there. But the Amazon bike, yeah, maybe think about that.
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Brian Wringer: Maybe rethink that plan.
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Robin Dean: What's the return policy after 12,000 miles?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. So if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your
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Brian Wringer: web browser to place a message into our brains.
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Brian Wringer: All right, we're at segment one. We'll see where this goes.
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Brian Wringer: Take a drink because we are talking today about pain and suffering.
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Brian Wringer: Suffering and pain. It's a loose topic. Kickback will tell some war stories of two-wheeled woe,
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Brian Wringer: And kind of consider the question, how bad is too bad? How bad can it be until it's not fun anymore?
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Brian Wringer: How bad can it be and you still get to the end of the day and you can still
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Brian Wringer: smile about it? And what do you do about it?
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Brian Wringer: What are some of those situations? Where have we found ourselves?
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Brian Wringer: And what do we do about it?
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Brian Wringer: What have we put up with and regretted? And what have we survived while still
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Brian Wringer: coming out the other end with a smile, even if it took some time to get there?
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Brian Wringer: How do these calculations even work?
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Robin Dean: I'm looking at your list here for the topic and I'll inject something of my
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Robin Dean: own is like whatever it is that's fueling the concept of pain and suffering as a motorcyclist.
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Robin Dean: It might not come from you. It might come from other riders and things they're
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Robin Dean: experiencing. How does that affect your ride?
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Robin Dean: And that's one of the ones I intend to get into if I can find my way through it.
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Brian Wringer: It's loose and it's wide, and there's a lot to talk about here.
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Brian Wringer: So a quick war story. It was Sunday. I had to be at work on Monday, or so I thought.
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Brian Wringer: And there was a god-awful storm sitting over Missouri.
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Brian Wringer: I was at the other side of Missouri, and it was 480, something like that.
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Brian Wringer: We were on the other side of Missouri. I basically beelined it for I-70 and
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Brian Wringer: then got on the interstate and
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Brian Wringer: held the throttle open. until I arrived in Indianapolis, and it sucked.
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Brian Wringer: I made it to the interstate, and then the skies opened up, and the storm was
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Brian Wringer: moving along with me the whole damn day.
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Brian Wringer: And it was just miserable. As we all know, rain gear was just overwhelmed.
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Brian Wringer: It did serve to keep the rain in, so I had a nice layer of moisture right on me the whole time.
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Brian Wringer: It was just awful. Long story short, the lesson learned that day was you don't
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Brian Wringer: have to be anywhere what i should have done was just wait a day
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Brian Wringer: get another day in the hotel they'll sell you sunday night really cheap and
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Brian Wringer: then come back on monday because it was fine but instead i put myself through
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Brian Wringer: all this suffering on this idea that i had to be somewhere
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Brian Wringer: and it's just like you know it wouldn't have been the end of the world to miss
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Brian Wringer: a day at work or work from the road or whatever
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Brian Wringer: But I just kept going, stubbornly kept going. And so that's one where,
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Brian Wringer: like, I regretted my decision.
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Brian Wringer: Like, I should not have done that. I'm not going to do that again.
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Robin Dean: In my mind, that's where the closer you are to that standstill Zen piece that
00:22:50.185 --> 00:22:53.944
Robin Dean: allows you to realize there are no problems, only solutions.
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Robin Dean: The further out in the wake you go, the momentum, things are in motion that can no longer be undone.
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Robin Dean: And the further out into that current you get, the harder it is to remember
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Robin Dean: that you had even stepped out there in the first place.
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Robin Dean: That becomes the reality of your mindset rather than being central to the calm
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Robin Dean: and the eye of that hurricane and thinking, well, if this, then that.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to say, let's chalk it up to we'll repair this with time,
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Robin Dean: the next opportunity, which can be immediate. Am I right?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, you just get too caught up get there-itis where you put pressure on yourself
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Brian Wringer: to get there and then you do dumb things like enter a maelstrom and ride through
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Brian Wringer: the damn thing for 400 miles or so.
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Brian Wringer: There's another side of that calculation. When do you find your joy?
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Brian Wringer: When do you go out and get your joy in spite of or because the pain and suffering add to it?
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Brian Wringer: And I'll give you another example
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Brian Wringer: there. My personal record for riding to work is minus 17 Fahrenheit.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. All right. So that was pain. That was suffering.
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Brian Wringer: It was also fun. I was obviously the only motorcycle on the road that day.
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Robin Dean: Sure.
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Brian Wringer: When do you choose your pain and suffering?
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Robin Dean: My oldest brother's memorial, that ride, I've talked it to depth.
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Robin Dean: I don't need to go into the details of it, but there was suffering for the loss
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Robin Dean: of family, suffering for, I think the temps were low 20s.
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Robin Dean: Maybe I started at like 19 degrees.
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Robin Dean: Minus 17, Brian. Goodness gracious.
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Robin Dean: The temps I'm talking about, they got warm. I was going to Florida.
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Robin Dean: That was Chicago to Florida. I attempted an iron butt. I did not make the iron butt. I did not care.
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Robin Dean: It was for family, it was for love, and it was for loss.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. What I can tell you is that fork oil is not really a liquid at minus 17. That was interesting.
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Robin Dean: Suspension became pension.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. There was no sus but all. It was just, obviously it was dry out.
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Brian Wringer: You know, I had traction. I didn't, you know, it wasn't icy or anything.
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Brian Wringer: I've done that several times, going out just to make a point,
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Brian Wringer: just to get out, just to clear the head.
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Brian Wringer: And it's still a source of joy. It was still a lot of fun. It was still fun
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Brian Wringer: to make people go, what the hell are you doing? You know, that's fun.
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Robin Dean: I am motorcyclist. I will motorcycle.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: And I'm happy and I'm adapted to this environment. I know the weather.
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Robin Dean: I know what I'm feeling. I'm doing this and I'm not angry about it.
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Robin Dean: I chose, even if it's 10 minutes, you know what I mean?
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Brian Wringer: You can put up with anything for 10 or 20 minutes.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I've ridden in snow many times. Not like I, like it's snowing. let's leave the house.
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Brian Wringer: But more like we can either sit here and cry or we can just carefully motor
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Brian Wringer: on and get home or whatever.
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Robin Dean: Get busy living and try not to get busy dying.
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Brian Wringer: So basically along the Cherahola Skyway in Tennessee, there's a very high elevation.
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Brian Wringer: The paved road that goes through the Cherahola Skyway is one thing.
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Brian Wringer: But in the woods, there are like hundreds of really cool little dual sport roads.
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Brian Wringer: So we were out there farting around and we go higher and higher and higher.
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Brian Wringer: And it's actually, there's a light coat of snow.
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Brian Wringer: We're like, okay, this is fine. We got rocks and gravel. You know,
00:26:16.502 --> 00:26:19.094
Brian Wringer: we're fine. We're badass. We keep going and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, we get up to a certain point and it's full on snowing and it's sticking,
00:26:24.582 --> 00:26:28.202
Brian Wringer: you know, it's, it's staying on the road and we had to basically go over to
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Brian Wringer: the paved road and then carefully make our way back toward Robbinsville in the snow.
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Brian Wringer: You find out that there's less traction, but it's not zero traction.
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Brian Wringer: You start to figure it out and it kind of becomes this like,
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Brian Wringer: oh my God, we're doing this. We lived, you know, it was a lot,
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Brian Wringer: you know, it was still a lot of fun.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, we were cold, we were wet, very sketchy situation, but it was still
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Brian Wringer: a lot of fun. And you learn something. Okay, it's not the end of the world until
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Brian Wringer: it starts to freeze. Then you have to stop.
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Brian Wringer: I know you've ridden in snow a few times.
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Robin Dean: Eh, not like that, though. Just little instances of, okay, I guess I'm doing
00:27:04.832 --> 00:27:06.636
Robin Dean: this, you know, mistakes made.
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Brian Wringer: I guess I'm going to get home instead of, you know.
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Robin Dean: Back in the day of the Avon Road Rider, we'll see what they're really made of.
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Robin Dean: The street tire in the middle of a beach sand or a snowy mountain peak.
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Brian Wringer: Bring us out of this, Robin. Tell us a war story of pain and suffering that
00:27:21.772 --> 00:27:24.595
Brian Wringer: ended up with a smile at the end of the day. What was worth it?
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Robin Dean: Absolutely. I was with some of my favorite human beings and we were following
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Robin Dean: a segment of an early iteration of one of our group motorcycle tours.
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Robin Dean: It was a beautiful day. And all of a sudden we arrived at a,
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Robin Dean: nope, this road's closed.
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Robin Dean: Deviation you will go this way now and this way was i mean it was pretty it
00:27:47.922 --> 00:27:53.098
Robin Dean: wasn't what we were signed up to do though we were there to go curve curve curve fast fast fast and,
00:27:53.905 --> 00:27:58.653
Robin Dean: Instead, we got deviated over to the Maker's Mark Distillery,
00:28:00.337 --> 00:28:03.036
Robin Dean: where everybody parked their bike.
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Robin Dean: We all went inside, and we all got to dip bottles and buy the T-shirt.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. Oh, wow.
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Robin Dean: Nobody drank, because we don't allow that. You don't drink until the end of
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Robin Dean: the ride. Once you're not going to throw a leg over the bike again,
00:28:18.331 --> 00:28:20.769
Robin Dean: only then are you allowed to have a sip of the old good stuff.
00:28:21.228 --> 00:28:26.510
Robin Dean: But everybody went in, dipped a bottle, even bought one, something pretty highbrow
00:28:26.806 --> 00:28:30.455
Robin Dean: as a celebration of a bad route, and then ended up on our next hotel with a
00:28:30.455 --> 00:28:33.169
Robin Dean: damn fine night. It was good. Does that do the job?
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Brian Wringer: Perfect.
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Robin Dean: Rockstar. I think we had just gone through not a tunnel in Red River Gorge.
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Robin Dean: I don't remember how it tied into the Maker's Market Distillery,
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Robin Dean: but wherever the route went, we didn't go there. And then we, yeah.
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Brian Wringer: There you go.
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Robin Dean: I'm seeing a Joanne Don somewhere in the mix here.
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Brian Wringer: Segment two, this is the Armory brought to you by gearchick.com, G-E-A-R-C-H-I-C.com.
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Joanne Donn: I was in boxing class today. It's my fitness is boxing gym.
00:29:18.131 --> 00:29:20.613
Joanne Donn: Not like a ring, though. It's a fitness studio. So I'm not in a ring.
00:29:20.613 --> 00:29:21.869
Joanne Donn: I'm just punching boxing.
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Joanne Donn: And, you know, boxing is kind of a defensive sport, right?
00:29:25.637 --> 00:29:28.583
Joanne Donn: So I'm learning how to do the moves.
00:29:28.583 --> 00:29:33.123
Joanne Donn: I'm learning how to move my body. I'm learning like how to do all these things
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Joanne Donn: and pick up the technique, right, as a defense.
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Joanne Donn: And, you know, what I'm learning is that to defend myself, I have to prepare for that.
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Joanne Donn: So how do you prepare to defend yourself against heat stroke and heat exhaustion,
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Joanne Donn: especially now when half the country is in 100-degree weather?
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Joanne Donn: The first thing I'm going to say is don't ride in 100-degree weather. Just don't.
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Brian Wringer: Well, that's no fun.
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Joanne Donn: Just don't. It's unsafe. Like, it's really unsafe. Heat stroke is real,
00:30:05.083 --> 00:30:09.713
Joanne Donn: and you will suffer the consequences. You will dehydrate no matter what you
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Joanne Donn: do at 100. There's not much you can do.
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Joanne Donn: Like you're hitting a limit that's just not safe to ride. It's like,
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Joanne Donn: do you really want to go riding through a hurricane?
00:30:20.678 --> 00:30:24.763
Joanne Donn: Yes, you could, but it's really not safe. Heat, it can do the same thing.
00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:29.890
Joanne Donn: It can kill you. And like people like to not wear gear in the heat.
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Joanne Donn: So that trade-off is really difficult and I understand why people choose not
00:30:34.823 --> 00:30:41.297
Joanne Donn: to, but my number one advice is don't ride over 90 degrees, especially if you run hot.
00:30:41.766 --> 00:30:45.017
Joanne Donn: Like you're just asking for trauma.
00:30:45.237 --> 00:30:49.994
Joanne Donn: If you already are a hot-blooded person, why are you subjecting yourself to
00:30:49.994 --> 00:30:55.574
Joanne Donn: something that's gonna actually expedite that misery? Like it's just gonna accelerate
00:30:55.574 --> 00:30:59.082
Joanne Donn: the chances of heat stroke and other physical symptoms, right?
00:30:59.541 --> 00:31:03.517
Joanne Donn: But if you're gonna go riding in maybe more reasonable temperatures or maybe
00:31:03.744 --> 00:31:05.543
Joanne Donn: you're gonna hit 100 for only like
00:31:06.008 --> 00:31:08.814
Joanne Donn: a couple hours, you know, for like a short period of time and maybe the rest
00:31:08.814 --> 00:31:12.594
Joanne Donn: of your trip is more reasonable temperatures where you're riding in the 80s
00:31:12.594 --> 00:31:15.161
Joanne Donn: or 90s, that's a lot easier to manage.
00:31:15.515 --> 00:31:19.174
Robin Dean: So now in the middle of this brilliant wording that you're putting together,
00:31:19.174 --> 00:31:24.008
Robin Dean: Brian posts this photo. He shares screen and shows 106 degrees.
00:31:24.478 --> 00:31:27.328
Robin Dean: And he's writing his, what year is your GS, Brian? 79?
00:31:27.793 --> 00:31:32.483
Brian Wringer: That's an 83. This is in Salem, Indiana, about 120 miles from here.
00:31:32.942 --> 00:31:34.915
Brian Wringer: We went out that day deliberately.
00:31:35.374 --> 00:31:38.704
Joanne Donn: Yeah, yeah, I would not.
00:31:38.704 --> 00:31:41.411
Brian Wringer: We may have been stupid, but it was fun. Anyway, go on.
00:31:41.771 --> 00:31:45.324
Joanne Donn: If you're going to, it's ironic, but you have to gear up.
00:31:45.324 --> 00:31:49.416
Joanne Donn: And it's the opposite of what people think. And I review this every season because
00:31:49.811 --> 00:31:55.614
Joanne Donn: people aren't educating themselves about heat stroke, but also reverse windchill.
00:31:55.614 --> 00:31:59.254
Joanne Donn: And so I'm going to share this graphic again because people don't understand
00:31:59.254 --> 00:32:01.816
Joanne Donn: what that is. And reversed windchill is the opposite.
00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:09.402
Joanne Donn: You are sort of boiling yourself from the inside where there's wind, but it's hot.
00:32:09.872 --> 00:32:13.484
Joanne Donn: You're literally putting yourself in an oven. It's no different than walking
00:32:13.484 --> 00:32:16.814
Joanne Donn: into a giant oven. You know, like at Subway where they have to cook all the
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.862
Joanne Donn: rolls and they wheel it into a walk-in oven.
00:32:20.327 --> 00:32:24.794
Joanne Donn: It's the same thing. And if you walk into an oven like that without any clothes
00:32:24.794 --> 00:32:28.175
Joanne Donn: on or like very little clothes, you will burn severely.
00:32:28.610 --> 00:32:33.161
Joanne Donn: Then why would you go out in temperatures where you're subjecting your skin to that.
00:32:33.562 --> 00:32:37.754
Joanne Donn: And no amount of movement is going to help you. You have to wear gear so that
00:32:37.754 --> 00:32:40.673
Joanne Donn: the gear can help absorb the heat.
00:32:41.224 --> 00:32:44.260
Joanne Donn: But people complain how hot gear is, and it can be.
00:32:44.725 --> 00:32:49.414
Joanne Donn: And this is, again, where we bring up the point of when you invest in better
00:32:49.414 --> 00:32:51.639
Joanne Donn: product, you will get a better result.
00:32:52.028 --> 00:32:55.476
Joanne Donn: So you can't judge the one experience you had.
00:32:55.934 --> 00:33:00.174
Joanne Donn: You need to use your wallet to protect yourself. And what really irritates me
00:33:00.174 --> 00:33:05.867
Joanne Donn: is when people judge all gear by the one terrible investment they made,
00:33:06.330 --> 00:33:09.552
Joanne Donn: the one experience that's not all the same.
00:33:09.888 --> 00:33:13.624
Joanne Donn: You're choosing to spend a very little amount of money and you chose a product
00:33:13.624 --> 00:33:17.017
Joanne Donn: that was not adequate. That is a you problem, not a gear problem.
00:33:17.481 --> 00:33:24.604
Joanne Donn: So in order to really be comfortable, you have to wear the right performative
00:33:24.604 --> 00:33:29.225
Joanne Donn: layers. And if you're an athletic person, motorcycling's a sport, let's be honest.
00:33:29.695 --> 00:33:33.014
Joanne Donn: You have to be active to some degree. And of course, you know,
00:33:33.014 --> 00:33:35.355
Joanne Donn: if you have a big cushy like Goldwing, sure.
00:33:35.813 --> 00:33:41.134
Joanne Donn: That's not as challenging as say riding a naked, classic. What kind of bike was that?
00:33:41.134 --> 00:33:45.363
Brian Wringer: It's a 1983 vintage naked bike,
00:33:45.821 --> 00:33:48.091
Robin Dean: Air-cooled Suzuki GS.
00:33:48.462 --> 00:33:52.444
Joanne Donn: And that doesn't have like a big fairing. That doesn't have as much wind protection,
00:33:52.444 --> 00:33:56.524
Joanne Donn: say, as a Goldwing. So, right. And then what if you're riding like a modern
00:33:56.524 --> 00:33:59.771
Joanne Donn: sport bike? What if you're riding something that has zero wind protection?
00:34:00.235 --> 00:34:03.614
Joanne Donn: You're going to be working harder. You know, the harder you have to work,
00:34:03.614 --> 00:34:06.126
Joanne Donn: the hotter you're going to be. So,
00:34:06.661 --> 00:34:10.881
Joanne Donn: you have to take into consideration your ability to function in heat.
00:34:11.328 --> 00:34:15.101
Joanne Donn: You want to avoid wearing your ugly cotton t-shirts.
00:34:15.513 --> 00:34:21.591
Joanne Donn: You need to wear your athletic synthetic base layers, maybe a base layer t-shirt,
00:34:21.905 --> 00:34:24.586
Joanne Donn: something that's wicking like a Nike dry fit golf shirt.
00:34:24.586 --> 00:34:25.836
Joanne Donn: I mean, even that is going to
00:34:25.836 --> 00:34:30.676
Joanne Donn: be so much more comfortable under your mesh jacket than a cotton t-shirt.
00:34:30.676 --> 00:34:34.026
Joanne Donn: So something where as you sweat, that sweat has somewhere to go.
00:34:34.026 --> 00:34:39.036
Joanne Donn: And no, you don't want to wear a tank top because if you're sweating under your
00:34:39.036 --> 00:34:44.480
Joanne Donn: armpits and your arms, it goes into the lining of your jacket and then number one, it stinks.
00:34:44.945 --> 00:34:49.798
Joanne Donn: Two, that sweat's just sitting there and you're 10 times more miserable.
00:34:50.123 --> 00:34:54.384
Joanne Donn: So the idea isn't, well, the jacket's gonna keep me cool. No,
00:34:54.564 --> 00:34:56.456
Joanne Donn: you're gonna be hot. It's 90 degrees.
00:34:56.925 --> 00:35:00.188
Joanne Donn: There's no way around that. You're choosing to go out in the heat.
00:35:00.634 --> 00:35:04.603
Joanne Donn: The idea is you don't die from heat stroke. You don't get heat stroke.
00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:11.914
Joanne Donn: And the heat is manageable to where you're not feeling mentally like, I hate this.
00:35:11.914 --> 00:35:17.434
Joanne Donn: I can't take this. I want to pull over to where you're hot, but you're not stroking
00:35:17.434 --> 00:35:22.581
Joanne Donn: out. You're not sweating profusely because the sweat has somewhere to go.
00:35:23.045 --> 00:35:30.569
Joanne Donn: Also, helmets, full-face helmets are how you insulate yourself from the heat.
00:35:31.027 --> 00:35:38.330
Joanne Donn: And again, when you buy a $99 helmet that weighs 10 pounds and has no ventilation,
00:35:38.638 --> 00:35:40.646
Joanne Donn: yes, it's going to be miserable.
00:35:41.111 --> 00:35:45.778
Joanne Donn: But if you choose a really good helmet that's designed for maximum airflow,
00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:51.676
Joanne Donn: that's how you will stay comfortable so that the heat has somewhere to go.
00:35:52.134 --> 00:35:56.163
Joanne Donn: Think about this before you go out in the heat. We all know that when we sweat,
00:35:56.314 --> 00:36:00.424
Joanne Donn: that's the body trying to cool itself. And the minute you stop, you've got heat stroke.
00:36:00.875 --> 00:36:05.574
Joanne Donn: And that's why when you see a lot of certain individuals out in certain geographic
00:36:05.574 --> 00:36:10.604
Joanne Donn: locations, when they're out riding without gear, their skin is so red and you're
00:36:10.604 --> 00:36:12.454
Joanne Donn: just inviting skin cancer.
00:36:12.454 --> 00:36:18.644
Joanne Donn: You're like, hey, come on in, take over my body and absorb into my skin. Give me some melanoma.
00:36:19.103 --> 00:36:22.418
Joanne Donn: It's no different than going laying out by the pool every day without sunscreen.
00:36:22.882 --> 00:36:27.323
Joanne Donn: It's going to age you. I don't know about you, but when I'm 80, I want to look 60.
00:36:27.787 --> 00:36:33.906
Joanne Donn: I want my skin to stay up. I want to maintain a certain level of health at that point.
00:36:34.370 --> 00:36:37.444
Joanne Donn: And at the end of a long day, if you have to ride 10 hours in the heat,
00:36:37.444 --> 00:36:38.944
Joanne Donn: you know how tired you are.
00:36:39.403 --> 00:36:43.855
Joanne Donn: You know that it's exhausting. Even going a couple hours in the heat,
00:36:44.314 --> 00:36:46.764
Joanne Donn: I remember writing in the 90 degree weather and
00:36:47.228 --> 00:36:54.746
Joanne Donn: I'm so tired after a couple hours versus nine hours, say, in cooler temperatures. And
00:36:55.274 --> 00:37:02.465
Joanne Donn: You have to add this extra layer of safety when it's 100 degrees. So base layer is great.
00:37:02.929 --> 00:37:07.272
Joanne Donn: Change that. They also have cooling vests where you can get them wet.
00:37:07.730 --> 00:37:12.467
Joanne Donn: And so that helps because you have a cool vest. You could wear that under your mesh, which is nice.
00:37:12.931 --> 00:37:19.236
Joanne Donn: That'll help keep you cool. And certainly wear a hydration pack so you can drink continuously.
00:37:19.694 --> 00:37:23.728
Joanne Donn: Sometimes you can put like a hydration bag in a tank bag and then like run the
00:37:23.728 --> 00:37:25.128
Joanne Donn: hose up. I've seen people do that.
00:37:25.580 --> 00:37:30.039
Joanne Donn: Somebody invented, they created a fanny pack that you can wear in the front
00:37:30.184 --> 00:37:31.449
Joanne Donn: with a hydration bladder.
00:37:31.908 --> 00:37:33.713
Joanne Donn: So it doesn't go around your waist.
00:37:34.172 --> 00:37:38.108
Joanne Donn: It was like a sling kind of thing. It was like for runners instead of wearing
00:37:38.108 --> 00:37:39.733
Joanne Donn: a backpack because that's hot.
00:37:40.221 --> 00:37:45.788
Joanne Donn: But there are a lot of riding backpacks specifically meant for riding that have
00:37:45.788 --> 00:37:49.818
Joanne Donn: hydration bladders, pockets, so you can put your camel back in.
00:37:49.818 --> 00:37:52.916
Joanne Donn: Like I have one, a little Krega for Revit.
00:37:53.369 --> 00:37:58.418
Joanne Donn: And it's meshed too, like the material so that I'm not hot and it's tiny and it's not heavy.
00:37:58.882 --> 00:38:04.728
Joanne Donn: Think about these things. So hydration, mesh jackets, you know, mesh is always great.
00:38:04.728 --> 00:38:08.159
Joanne Donn: So that's always going to help you stay ventilated. And same with your bottoms,
00:38:08.623 --> 00:38:14.058
Joanne Donn: mesh pants, mesh top, mesh gloves, if you're going to go this heat route.
00:38:14.058 --> 00:38:20.465
Joanne Donn: And other than that, there's not really much else you can do except ride less in the heat.
00:38:22.468 --> 00:38:27.820
Joanne Donn: When I did the BDR in Colorado, it was not a hundred, but it was hot.
00:38:28.221 --> 00:38:32.658
Joanne Donn: And one day when we were riding on the freeway, I'm wearing an off-road helmet.
00:38:32.658 --> 00:38:35.118
Joanne Donn: I'm not wearing a dual sport or a street helmet or a module.
00:38:35.118 --> 00:38:38.978
Joanne Donn: I'm wearing a full 100% off-road. So the ventilation is insane.
00:38:39.448 --> 00:38:43.186
Joanne Donn: It had everything. It was a showy and it's really well ventilated, which is great.
00:38:44.017 --> 00:38:49.876
Joanne Donn: Too ventilated because on the freeway, my whole mouth and face was so dry from
00:38:49.876 --> 00:38:52.405
Joanne Donn: the wind, not sun, the wind.
00:38:52.864 --> 00:38:57.199
Joanne Donn: I woke up that night like my skin was so dry.
00:38:57.663 --> 00:39:01.636
Joanne Donn: So I put on a balaclava. I put on a summer, like a thin balaclava.
00:39:01.636 --> 00:39:06.876
Joanne Donn: I bought one and then wrapped that around my neck and around my face to protect me from the wind.
00:39:07.248 --> 00:39:12.281
Joanne Donn: I wear that when it's hot and it sounds miserable, but it keeps the heat out of my face.
00:39:12.744 --> 00:39:18.356
Joanne Donn: You can find ones that have Coolmax in them. I have an Oxford Coolmax balaclava.
00:39:18.356 --> 00:39:20.199
Joanne Donn: So the material is really light.
00:39:20.564 --> 00:39:22.972
Joanne Donn: And when I'm sweating, it's way more comfortable.
00:39:23.390 --> 00:39:30.525
Joanne Donn: So neck tubes are great. Find a nice synthetic neck tube. Let's see, $12-ish, $15.
00:39:30.990 --> 00:39:36.335
Joanne Donn: Hey, if you fish or you golf and you have that stuff, use it. It's the same thing.
00:39:36.794 --> 00:39:40.986
Joanne Donn: But like the Oxford one, Let's see how they have winter. It's like $15,
00:39:40.986 --> 00:39:42.912
Joanne Donn: you know, and you can use it for other sports.
00:39:43.604 --> 00:39:48.242
Joanne Donn: Covering up your body is especially your neck because that's like a vital right
00:39:48.242 --> 00:39:53.932
Joanne Donn: your neck and your wrists if you keep that cool and your core cool then you're
00:39:53.932 --> 00:39:55.566
Joanne Donn: going to be more comfortable
00:39:56.025 --> 00:40:00.132
Joanne Donn: years ago i got my mother a golf towel a cooling towel and you just dunk it
00:40:00.132 --> 00:40:04.182
Joanne Donn: in water it's like a chamois and then you wear it around your neck even that
00:40:04.182 --> 00:40:06.897
Joanne Donn: will help and you know just anything like that under
00:40:07.362 --> 00:40:09.794
Joanne Donn: your coat is always going to help
00:40:10.253 --> 00:40:13.892
Brian Wringer: Similar banter at higher revs can be found via the gear Chick website,
00:40:14.090 --> 00:40:19.541
Brian Wringer: or by emailing Joanne directly. That email address is help at gear chick.com.
00:40:19.947 --> 00:40:22.693
Brian Wringer: G-A-R-C-H-I-C.com.
00:40:23.151 --> 00:40:26.142
Robin Dean: I was thinking of something while you were talking. One of the things I love
00:40:26.142 --> 00:40:28.762
Robin Dean: about having you on the show, and I don't think this will ever change,
00:40:28.762 --> 00:40:33.211
Robin Dean: is that you will list amazing solutions, and I want to buy all of them.
00:40:33.658 --> 00:40:39.243
Robin Dean: The fact remains that I cannot. And many people, they hear the onslaught of
00:40:39.371 --> 00:40:41.855
Robin Dean: beautiful solutions and they can't buy the whole stack.
00:40:42.261 --> 00:40:46.632
Robin Dean: So I always like to tail end some of the things you talk about with alternative
00:40:46.632 --> 00:40:49.164
Robin Dean: solutions for those. It's like, well, what are you going to do if you can't
00:40:49.512 --> 00:40:54.002
Robin Dean: get this $12 neck gator? You can totally get the $12 tube. You'll get that.
00:40:54.002 --> 00:40:55.832
Robin Dean: Protect your neck. Yeah. Wu-Tang.
00:40:56.575 --> 00:41:01.039
Robin Dean: Here's the thing of it. At gas stops, if it is void of activity,
00:41:01.486 --> 00:41:06.577
Robin Dean: you can take your jacket off, take your helmet off, put them in the ice cooler.
00:41:06.897 --> 00:41:07.216
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:41:08.708 --> 00:41:12.481
Robin Dean: Drench them and stuff them in that ice cooler for the duration of your stay there.
00:41:12.940 --> 00:41:16.730
Robin Dean: This brings up a fight between Brian and I that isn't a fight yet. But Brian and I agree.
00:41:17.131 --> 00:41:20.094
Robin Dean: Once you get your gas, get the hell out of that place because there are much
00:41:20.094 --> 00:41:21.496
Robin Dean: more beautiful places to stop.
00:41:21.897 --> 00:41:25.194
Robin Dean: Here's the problem. After the amount of riding you've done, you get off the
00:41:25.194 --> 00:41:27.644
Robin Dean: bike, you're like, oh, I don't want to get on that thing yet.
00:41:29.264 --> 00:41:33.634
Robin Dean: You happen to have slushies and an ice cooler for your gear,
00:41:34.099 --> 00:41:38.284
Robin Dean: restrooms, and if you're going to do battle with that standstill option,
00:41:38.284 --> 00:41:41.651
Robin Dean: you may as well stuff your stuff in the coolest thing you can find and wait it out.
00:41:41.883 --> 00:41:44.327
Robin Dean: Because when you put that helmet back on, put that jacket back on,
00:41:44.623 --> 00:41:47.924
Robin Dean: you're going to feel as Neil Sullivan would say, if he's listening right now,
00:41:47.924 --> 00:41:51.524
Robin Dean: hi Neil, he would say, it's going to feel glorious.
00:41:52.714 --> 00:41:57.014
Brian Wringer: I love what you were saying about keeping yourself covered in hot weather because
00:41:57.014 --> 00:41:58.891
Brian Wringer: you want to protect yourself from the hairdryer.
00:41:59.355 --> 00:42:04.694
Brian Wringer: And you'll see in that picture, I'm wearing a long-sleeved shirt and a mesh
00:42:04.694 --> 00:42:06.861
Brian Wringer: jacket, and it's all covered.
00:42:07.314 --> 00:42:10.934
Robin Dean: You're still at a standstill. The hard part is when you're taking the glow of
00:42:10.934 --> 00:42:14.872
Robin Dean: the heat right there, you're not moving. The hairdryer doesn't have until you start moving.
00:42:15.336 --> 00:42:18.514
Joanne Donn: Yeah, and actually that photo, your jacket is yellow, right?
00:42:18.514 --> 00:42:21.314
Joanne Donn: You're wearing a high-vis yellow mesh. And so you can get, everyone makes a
00:42:21.314 --> 00:42:22.900
Joanne Donn: silver mesh jacket. Everybody.
00:42:23.341 --> 00:42:28.368
Brian Wringer: They always sell out first. So all they have left is black and you can get down to the clearance.
00:42:28.833 --> 00:42:29.529
Robin Dean: Transparent.
00:42:29.988 --> 00:42:32.224
Joanne Donn: Actually, a lot of brands are doing slightly different colors.
00:42:32.224 --> 00:42:34.051
Joanne Donn: Like Brevit came out with tan.
00:42:34.510 --> 00:42:39.234
Joanne Donn: Reax came out with like a tan and light olive. Like there's now some really
00:42:39.234 --> 00:42:43.044
Joanne Donn: good alternative colors, but avoid black when it's hot. Like I usually do black
00:42:43.044 --> 00:42:46.146
Joanne Donn: bottom, like top, because I don't want my ass all dirty.
00:42:59.763 --> 00:43:02.843
Brian Wringer: All right, segment three. Get ready. Joanne, brace yourself.
00:43:03.308 --> 00:43:08.201
Brian Wringer: This is what we call alliteration grab baguette. We spin the wheel. We pick a letter.
00:43:08.654 --> 00:43:11.812
Brian Wringer: We take an alliterative phrase and...
00:43:12.294 --> 00:43:17.089
Brian Wringer: Riff on that for, let's call it five minutes. I'm opening up in my browser,
00:43:17.553 --> 00:43:21.582
Brian Wringer: the random letter generator. I am spinning the random letter generator.
00:43:21.831 --> 00:43:25.082
Robin Dean: What did we do last time? Jag off junction. We did counterculture,
00:43:25.082 --> 00:43:28.282
Robin Dean: fricking frack, harsh howdy, jag off junction, original opinions,
00:43:28.282 --> 00:43:30.150
Robin Dean: passing perfection, and rich ruminations.
00:43:30.962 --> 00:43:33.540
Brian Wringer: Oh, now this one's interesting.
00:43:34.904 --> 00:43:36.071
Robin Dean: What do we got? What's the letter?
00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:40.332
Brian Wringer: The letter is Q. Q equals quickly quiet.
00:43:40.796 --> 00:43:47.025
Brian Wringer: How we move through space with minimum waste and maximum joy while singing Sade songs.
00:43:47.495 --> 00:43:49.365
Robin Dean: I don't know what to do with this.
00:43:49.823 --> 00:43:54.723
Brian Wringer: I wrote an article on is it ethical? Is it okay to ride quickly, to ride fast?
00:43:55.187 --> 00:43:59.360
Brian Wringer: The ethics, the philosophy of speed, the mannerly rider's guide to speed, I think is what I called.
00:43:59.824 --> 00:44:04.137
Brian Wringer: Go to T.R.O. to buy search speed and you'll find it anyway point is
00:44:04.601 --> 00:44:09.342
Brian Wringer: whatever we're doing on whatever curves may exist the principle is you want
00:44:09.342 --> 00:44:14.352
Brian Wringer: to create as little disturbance as possible exhaust noise is one you know i
00:44:14.352 --> 00:44:18.766
Brian Wringer: prefer stock exhaust i prefer to be quiet and gone and so forth
00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:23.102
Brian Wringer: but even without that there are things like you just want to create like if
00:44:23.102 --> 00:44:27.740
Brian Wringer: you're in a place with a lot of mailboxes happening you know there's a mailbox count going on
00:44:28.205 --> 00:44:30.852
Brian Wringer: you want to moderate things you want to pay more attention You want to make
00:44:30.852 --> 00:44:33.319
Brian Wringer: sure you're not going to create a problem, create friction.
00:44:33.777 --> 00:44:39.242
Brian Wringer: And things like when you need to pass somebody who may be on something that's
00:44:39.242 --> 00:44:41.254
Brian Wringer: not quiet and is getting in your way.
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.092
Brian Wringer: When an obstacle presents itself, let's put it that way, the principle is be
00:44:46.092 --> 00:44:47.576
Brian Wringer: irresistible and be gone.
00:44:48.029 --> 00:44:51.326
Brian Wringer: So when it's time to pass, pass with great prejudice.
00:44:51.784 --> 00:44:55.792
Brian Wringer: Don't pass, you know, get in the other lane, pass safely, and then be gone.
00:44:55.792 --> 00:44:58.887
Brian Wringer: Keep it up, keep going. Don't be around.
00:44:59.942 --> 00:45:02.062
Brian Wringer: After a few minutes They're going to be like What just happened there?
00:45:02.062 --> 00:45:05.406
Brian Wringer: I don't know what happened I thought I saw something Oh well
00:45:05.953 --> 00:45:09.112
Brian Wringer: So kind of those principles of creating a lot less disturbance,
00:45:09.576 --> 00:45:10.906
Brian Wringer: tipping well, things like that.
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Robin Dean: Does this qualify for expressway riding?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, like don't ride like an asshole. Get it done and go.
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Robin Dean: I'm calling you out.
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Brian Wringer: You called me out for that for three times.
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Robin Dean: Two or three times. But this just happened to me today. A question we have not
00:45:25.256 --> 00:45:27.978
Robin Dean: asked each other in a while and should ask more regularly.
00:45:28.437 --> 00:45:34.851
Robin Dean: Did you ride today? And I rode today. And today, I had all of these things in
00:45:35.229 --> 00:45:39.629
Robin Dean: a successive order that I'm not even sure where to begin. But I'm going to start with this.
00:45:40.098 --> 00:45:45.707
Robin Dean: I remember personally being a not-motorcyclist. I was a not-motorcyclist for a very long time.
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.279
Robin Dean: I am this dedicated to it late in the game, being as how I was in my 40s.
00:45:51.732 --> 00:45:56.916
Robin Dean: Here we are. Now it's the whole show for me. But I do remember the many years,
00:45:56.916 --> 00:45:59.660
Robin Dean: more than half of my life, as a not-motorcyclist
00:45:59.973 --> 00:46:05.016
Robin Dean: and being a not-motorcyclist sitting in the passenger seat of a car driven by
00:46:05.016 --> 00:46:09.936
Robin Dean: a definitely never-going-to-be-motorcyclist with opinions about those people
00:46:09.936 --> 00:46:13.307
Robin Dean: who just did that thing as they blazed by.
00:46:13.592 --> 00:46:16.266
Robin Dean: And I had no idea what it was like. I don't know if they have technique.
00:46:16.266 --> 00:46:17.475
Robin Dean: I don't know if they know what they're doing.
00:46:17.707 --> 00:46:23.263
Robin Dean: I know that the opinion is not good inside the cab of this cage.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Brian's article is about the morality of our decisions to assume risk and sometimes
00:46:30.705 --> 00:46:32.818
Robin Dean: go super legal speeds, or in my case.
00:46:33.276 --> 00:46:34.246
Brian Wringer: At least a speed limit.
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Robin Dean: Kelly Howard, shout out. Here's the drill. What I'm about to do at pace,
00:46:39.909 --> 00:46:42.396
Robin Dean: I'm about to corner hard. I'm going to accelerate.
00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:46.964
Robin Dean: It's my decision. Have I assessed all that is in front of me?
00:46:47.423 --> 00:46:52.439
Robin Dean: Do I see anyone who might be caught off guard by my decision?
00:46:52.890 --> 00:46:57.070
Robin Dean: Have I startled anyone who has no idea why we do what we do?
00:46:57.528 --> 00:47:02.207
Robin Dean: Have I made their opinion of what we do less positive?
00:47:02.672 --> 00:47:11.867
Robin Dean: I do not wish to do that. I do wish to ride on my terms based on assessed and assumed risk.
00:47:12.325 --> 00:47:17.161
Robin Dean: I do not wish to catch anyone off guard, prove a point, scare them,
00:47:17.352 --> 00:47:21.317
Robin Dean: give them a new memory about that awful time somebody on a motorcycle did an awful thing.
00:47:21.776 --> 00:47:26.699
Robin Dean: There's a lot of streamlining that goes into shaping your own perspectives on
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:33.868
Robin Dean: how to do this so you can get your jollies on your terms on a public taxpayer's roadway,
00:47:34.332 --> 00:47:37.929
Robin Dean: which we have no right to do, but we now and then we kind of have some fun with
00:47:37.929 --> 00:47:43.637
Robin Dean: it without creating new problems for those of us who are part of a cult on two wheels.
00:47:44.073 --> 00:47:47.956
Robin Dean: That's a big deal with me. So how do I do it? Very carefully.
00:47:48.415 --> 00:47:53.470
Robin Dean: That's the trick. Now, today, I rode on a heavy mailbox count road,
00:47:53.725 --> 00:47:58.625
Robin Dean: twisty, curvy, all over the place, and two zero saw me pass two cars.
00:47:59.014 --> 00:48:05.440
Robin Dean: So they passed those two cars. Then they passed me to show me that they're going to pass me.
00:48:05.892 --> 00:48:13.439
Robin Dean: Then they proceeded to pass multiple cars in front of me in blind curves across a double yellow.
00:48:15.070 --> 00:48:18.189
Robin Dean: Would I pass on a double yellow? Yes, I'll pass on a double yellow.
00:48:18.189 --> 00:48:20.713
Robin Dean: If I judge, judge, assess, make sure.
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Joanne Donn: Yes.
00:48:22.030 --> 00:48:24.312
Robin Dean: Really get the 360 going, get it done.
00:48:24.863 --> 00:48:30.090
Robin Dean: Bangs to them out. These guys, not so much. They were just on their way to,
00:48:30.090 --> 00:48:34.633
Robin Dean: wouldn't you know it, a place called Hogs something something.
00:48:35.092 --> 00:48:37.286
Robin Dean: And then they stepped off for their poker run and had their beers.
00:48:37.750 --> 00:48:43.340
Robin Dean: But that's really the trick of it. Can you have that moment of,
00:48:43.561 --> 00:48:50.468
Robin Dean: whew, I did that without having that moment of, that person doesn't like motorcyclists now.
00:48:50.921 --> 00:48:53.237
Robin Dean: And this is going to lead to my next topic for next week.
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Brian Wringer: Be nice. Joanne, what's your take on politeness and moving through space with grace?
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Joanne Donn: I guess somewhat related is try your very best to think about what the other
00:49:06.020 --> 00:49:08.719
Joanne Donn: person is experiencing before you judge them.
00:49:09.177 --> 00:49:12.780
Joanne Donn: Now, there's certain lines. I've got certain lines where, yeah,
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.338
Joanne Donn: I'm going to judge you for sure.
00:49:14.802 --> 00:49:17.815
Joanne Donn: We know what those lines are. Sexism, racism, homophobia.
00:49:18.279 --> 00:49:20.526
Joanne Donn: There's all kinds of things that I will definitely judge you.
00:49:21.338 --> 00:49:26.061
Joanne Donn: For the everyday, oh no, this person bumped their card into me at the grocery
00:49:26.061 --> 00:49:30.800
Joanne Donn: store. Oh, we're talking about little moments in the day-to-day that are just
00:49:30.933 --> 00:49:35.571
Joanne Donn: harmless, but you might think, oh God, that person is the worst person.
00:49:36.042 --> 00:49:40.451
Joanne Donn: People, maybe someone who like yells at you or says something to you,
00:49:40.451 --> 00:49:45.111
Joanne Donn: like these kind of little moments and just try it for a second to think they're
00:49:45.111 --> 00:49:47.777
Joanne Donn: not being the nicest person, but think about why they're not.
00:49:48.067 --> 00:49:49.432
Joanne Donn: You know, maybe their wife died today.
00:49:49.890 --> 00:49:55.241
Joanne Donn: Maybe they have cancer. I don't know. These are the things I try to put in my
00:49:55.241 --> 00:49:59.678
Joanne Donn: mind first so that I can train myself to stop thinking the worst about people.
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Robin Dean: Stay in their shoes.
00:50:01.268 --> 00:50:05.101
Joanne Donn: Exactly. Right. Or whatever. I just try to first think of, okay,
00:50:05.101 --> 00:50:07.202
Joanne Donn: maybe they're having a bad day because they got fired.
00:50:07.649 --> 00:50:13.129
Joanne Donn: Then think the terrible thing. But I think a lot of us are just programmed to think the worst first.
00:50:13.587 --> 00:50:16.402
Joanne Donn: That's a lifetime struggle. And when it comes to motorcycling,
00:50:16.867 --> 00:50:21.736
Joanne Donn: That's also something I try my very best, my very best to think about.
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Joanne Donn: Maybe in your example, I probably would judge them a little bit for that.
00:50:25.940 --> 00:50:30.951
Joanne Donn: That's more obvious. But like, we tend to look at people who wear certain types
00:50:30.951 --> 00:50:34.160
Joanne Donn: of gear on certain bikes a certain way.
00:50:34.619 --> 00:50:40.772
Joanne Donn: Oh, you're so new at riding, but you spent $2,000 on a leather two-piece suit. Yeah, you did.
00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:46.741
Joanne Donn: Because maybe you value your body, your protection more than the value of your
00:50:46.741 --> 00:50:49.541
Joanne Donn: bike. And why would we, you know, why are we judging people for that?
00:50:49.541 --> 00:50:52.914
Joanne Donn: Like there's a lot of that in our world, in motorcycling.
00:50:53.378 --> 00:50:55.801
Joanne Donn: That's probably why I don't hang out with groups of motorcycles that I don't
00:50:55.801 --> 00:50:59.166
Joanne Donn: know. Like I want to hang out with, you know, my friends who I know
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Joanne Donn: There are a lot of people doing dumb things on motorcycles, of course.
00:51:03.014 --> 00:51:06.477
Joanne Donn: It makes you a better human to not think the worst about somebody.
00:51:06.477 --> 00:51:10.288
Joanne Donn: So I try really hard just to put myself in their shoes, right? For just a second.
00:51:10.752 --> 00:51:13.638
Joanne Donn: You know, and then it goes. And then I think, what a butthead after that.
00:51:14.084 --> 00:51:19.390
Brian Wringer: And once again, motorcycling makes people better people. Amazing how it always comes back to that.
00:51:19.855 --> 00:51:22.449
Joanne Donn: You meet the nicest people on all kinds of bikes.
00:51:22.914 --> 00:51:26.379
Brian Wringer: All right. We have squeezed every bit of juice out of that baguette.
00:51:28.429 --> 00:51:33.037
Brian Wringer: Next up afterwards the wind down what's happening next what are we going to
00:51:33.037 --> 00:51:36.289
Brian Wringer: talk about and robin you've got ideas
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Robin Dean: It spins right off of what we were just talking about absolutely joanne said
00:51:41.357 --> 00:51:47.457
Robin Dean: something that i'm grateful for most of us in this world on this single-sided
00:51:47.457 --> 00:51:49.801
Robin Dean: object have trouble with i,
00:51:50.277 --> 00:51:53.657
Robin Dean: certainly have trouble with it and i'm doing my best and we'll work on it my
00:51:53.657 --> 00:51:55.740
Robin Dean: segment for next week's episode.
00:51:56.193 --> 00:51:58.201
Robin Dean: Already, I'm going to call it represent Zen.
00:51:58.660 --> 00:51:58.967
Brian Wringer: All right.
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:05.717
Robin Dean: Optimism is hard. In this Zoom meeting, I might say something and Joanne will
00:52:05.717 --> 00:52:06.868
Robin Dean: shake her head and wince.
00:52:07.332 --> 00:52:09.757
Robin Dean: Brian, I'll say something I actually mean good about and Brian will be like,
00:52:10.277 --> 00:52:12.897
Robin Dean: that's not real. He'll have this laugh about him where he's like,
00:52:12.897 --> 00:52:14.310
Robin Dean: I don't take anything you just said seriously.
00:52:14.943 --> 00:52:20.940
Robin Dean: Being optimistic, being positive, not easy to do. So that will be the hardest
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:22.681
Robin Dean: trick to my subject matter.
00:52:23.122 --> 00:52:29.840
Robin Dean: How do we inspire would-be squids about the Dunning-Kruger effect to help them
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.565
Robin Dean: up their damn game? I've been watching a friend's Facebook post.
00:52:34.024 --> 00:52:39.016
Robin Dean: Young riders lately have been representing even more poorly than usual.
00:52:39.475 --> 00:52:42.922
Robin Dean: Lots of posturing and tood minus the skill.
00:52:43.386 --> 00:52:47.531
Robin Dean: Thinking the bike they own equates to what they're capable of, and it does not.
00:52:47.989 --> 00:52:51.989
Robin Dean: These are pessimistic things that we saw. Chicago hooligan masses,
00:52:52.448 --> 00:52:57.580
Robin Dean: have been taking to the streets hundreds upon hundreds of bikes using the oncoming
00:52:57.580 --> 00:53:04.040
Robin Dean: lane as well as their lane and just not caring, overrunning the police force.
00:53:04.040 --> 00:53:08.622
Robin Dean: There's no stop in this. They can arrest one or two people. It's been rough. Everywhere.
00:53:10.049 --> 00:53:14.055
Robin Dean: The Instagram videos where the big brag is having the faster bike,
00:53:14.508 --> 00:53:19.553
Robin Dean: meaning you twist the throttle and in a straight line on expressways rather
00:53:19.553 --> 00:53:23.372
Robin Dean: than a track that is supposed to express that you have riding skill.
00:53:23.830 --> 00:53:28.333
Robin Dean: This is the part where I think the MSF has not had the muscle because they're
00:53:28.333 --> 00:53:29.960
Robin Dean: contained to an environment of curriculum.
00:53:30.384 --> 00:53:34.203
Robin Dean: A friend of mine a long time ago brought up a great word that is authenticity
00:53:34.203 --> 00:53:39.783
Robin Dean: and the difficulty about MSF Mr. Rogers types steel caging their every word
00:53:39.783 --> 00:53:43.664
Robin Dean: to that of curriculum as if it were written under their own eyelids.
00:53:44.122 --> 00:53:46.113
Robin Dean: Relatability becomes hugely compromised.
00:53:46.579 --> 00:53:50.683
Robin Dean: My biggest thing about that is bridging the fact that, yes, you have students
00:53:50.683 --> 00:53:52.104
Robin Dean: there who want their license, or yes,
00:53:52.570 --> 00:53:55.639
Robin Dean: you're lucky enough to have students there that want to up their skills,
00:53:55.883 --> 00:53:57.706
Robin Dean: but you're straddling that in the opinion
00:53:58.130 --> 00:54:02.173
Robin Dean: because of what is writing versus what is coaching, trying to make sure that
00:54:02.173 --> 00:54:07.638
Robin Dean: they actually receive the information without boundering off their opinions and their desires.
00:54:08.103 --> 00:54:12.909
Robin Dean: The community associated with the word writer-coach. You are a writer and you are a coach.
00:54:13.374 --> 00:54:18.243
Robin Dean: Versus, I am an instructor, the authority on all things legendary in my own
00:54:18.243 --> 00:54:20.630
Robin Dean: mind. I'm here to dictate what you are to know.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.888
Robin Dean: I will let you know what is okay and what is not.
00:54:23.347 --> 00:54:27.253
Robin Dean: This doesn't work. You are providing the information, hurling it into the air,
00:54:27.253 --> 00:54:32.273
Robin Dean: but to actually get them to want to ingest it requires that you let them know
00:54:32.273 --> 00:54:36.344
Robin Dean: that the option is theirs and that you understand where they might be coming from.
00:54:36.727 --> 00:54:41.853
Robin Dean: I've said it many, many times that you can ride any way you want if you can
00:54:41.853 --> 00:54:45.108
Robin Dean: just choose the right venue. That's what I want to talk about next week.
00:54:45.567 --> 00:54:49.903
Robin Dean: How to have positive influence on those who want to experience the thrill in
00:54:49.903 --> 00:54:53.206
Robin Dean: the right environment. How to make this good. How to keep it good.
00:54:53.665 --> 00:54:58.283
Robin Dean: That's what I got. I don't actually know what I'm doing, but I promise you I'm
00:54:58.283 --> 00:55:00.939
Robin Dean: doing my best. Anything else you want to add, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: Nope. I'm good. Let's get out of here.