Maps 2 Apps

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Robin Dean: In this episode, Navigating the Ride Part 2.
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Robin Dean: This time it's Maps to Apps, opposite last week.
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Robin Dean: In the Armory, Joanne puts us back on track by helping us find the right back protector.
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Robin Dean: And, a little bit shaky about this one, track day prep.
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Robin Dean: There's plenty more noise that we've got to get in order before next Sunday.
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Robin Dean: Real quick, opening announcements, news corrections, bit of banter.
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Robin Dean: This week, Random Song of the Minute.
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Robin Dean: If you want to check that out, visit radio.tro.bike in your web browser.
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Robin Dean: This week, it's Talking on the Internet by Spiritual Cramp. Real rockin' tune.
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Robin Dean: Real good stuff. That is a throttle twistin' tune right there.
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Brian Wringer: Nice. All right, first news item. I don't know how to say this,
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Brian Wringer: so it's either CIGIC or CIGIC.
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Brian Wringer: But anyway, CIGIC puts motorcycle routing on CarPlay and Android Auto.
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Brian Wringer: And Android is really hard to say. I want you to know that. Anyway,
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Brian Wringer: so the point is Navigation App Cigic moves its new motorbike mode into compatible
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Brian Wringer: factory and aftermarket displays.
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Brian Wringer: So if you have a CarPlay or Android Auto display, you can keep your phone safely
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Brian Wringer: tucked away and have this up on your screen there.
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Brian Wringer: And so they've got a motorcycle mode with motorcycle routing,
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Brian Wringer: motorcycle hazards, motorcycle weather, motorcycle elevation,
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Brian Wringer: motorcycle terrain, and motorcycle twisty or motorcycle scenic options without
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Brian Wringer: leaving a phone on the bars.
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Brian Wringer: And some features require a premium plus ultra subscription or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: This is really interesting to us because we've been sniffing around the cheap CarPlay screen.
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Brian Wringer: You put that on your handlebars, it's out in the weather, it's out in the sun,
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Brian Wringer: it's cheap, it's big, it's bright, you don't care what happens to it,
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Brian Wringer: and it's fed by your phone. And now suddenly that's got a little bit more of a reason to exist.
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Brian Wringer: Maybe it's something we should experiment with, we'd love to hear about and
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Brian Wringer: here's some real life experiences.
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Brian Wringer: Does it keep your route that you plan, that you carefully shaped with all the love
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Brian Wringer: Or does it turn it into some Google-style interstate abomination?
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Brian Wringer: We need to know. What do you got, Robin?
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Robin Dean: CFMoto brings the self-adjusting suspension down market.
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Robin Dean: The UK market 800MTES reads road conditions, speed, and load,
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Robin Dean: then adjusts rebound and compression in real time.
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Robin Dean: I always wished that my BMW would have had that, the RS.
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Robin Dean: It had the dynamic suspension adjustment. It wasn't anything like that.
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Robin Dean: So it also packs a six-axis IMU, cornering aids, traffic proximity radar,
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Robin Dean: cruise control, heated grips, and a heated seat for 8,499 pounds.
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Robin Dean: The United States availability has not been announced. Semi-active suspension
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Robin Dean: used to arrive with a premium brand tax.
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Robin Dean: Now the discussion is whether bargain electronic suspension is a touring breakthrough
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Robin Dean: or one magnificent future troubleshooting bill.
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Robin Dean: If you can make it happen, we can make it break.
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Brian Wringer: We shall see. Yeah. 8,500 pounds is about 11,444 US dollars.
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Brian Wringer: Overall, that sounds like a heck of a bargain.
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Robin Dean: I wonder if that, is that the first bike they've made that surpasses the 10,000 mark?
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Brian Wringer: I do not know. I am not a CFMoto expert.
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Robin Dean: Damn it.
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Robin Dean: What's next in the news, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: Honda's new CB1000 GT is going to be an actual sport tourer.
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Brian Wringer: Now, the interesting part is Honda confirmed that there's going to be late 2026
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Brian Wringer: Australian delivery for the CB1000 GT.
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Brian Wringer: So it's derived from the Fireblade, 1000cc four-cylinder tuned for touring, whatever that means.
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Brian Wringer: And it comes with electronic suspension, panniers, cruise control,
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Brian Wringer: heated grips, a center stand, an adjustable wind stream, road sink navigation,
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Brian Wringer: USB-C charging, and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Robin Dean: I think usually the tuning, it's mostly about the bore. So it probably has a linear torque curve.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's going to be a little bit heavier bike. It's going to be toting a
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Brian Wringer: little more, especially if you're too up, especially with luggage.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, retuning makes sense. Hopefully they didn't like neuter it.
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Brian Wringer: Hopefully those days in the 90s where tune for torque meant that the bike couldn't
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Brian Wringer: get out of its own way or behind us.
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Brian Wringer: A leader bike, four-cylinder, kind of a tall rounder it looks like I think it
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Brian Wringer: looks like it has a little more suspension travel that kind of thing fast comfortable paved drawer
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Brian Wringer: I believe it's got a 17 inch front wheel don't have to have the big pizza cutter
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Brian Wringer: out front I'm a fan I'm here for it I'm all about that kind of bike
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Brian Wringer: my bad knees so it'll be interesting to see whether
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Brian Wringer: this kind of helps revive the category whether yamaha responds with even more stuff on the tracer
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Brian Wringer: the other thing that remains to be seen is whether this thing comes to the u.s
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Brian Wringer: whether it comes to europe and the rest of the world
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Brian Wringer: and also i may be old man yelling at clouds here but what's up with the damn
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Brian Wringer: pickle forks on everything
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Brian Wringer: it's got the pointy front end like yours looks like a motorcycle the naked version
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Brian Wringer: has got these There's two like probes sticking out the front like it's a TIE fighter.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what they, I don't like that, but I don't have to look at it from
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Brian Wringer: the saddle. So whatever.
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Brian Wringer: I'm glad to see more. I think it'll be cool if and when it gets here.
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Brian Wringer: Robin, what have you been up to?
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Robin Dean: Had a great ride with Mags for our lunch loop. We have that Leavenworth lunch
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Robin Dean: loop, which is basically just
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Robin Dean: 62 out to 66, head south, pick up old 37 up north, pick up 62 back home.
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Robin Dean: We got to do that. But then after we gracefully distributed her back to the
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Robin Dean: mobile rig that is the Dean machine, then you and I did what we do.
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Robin Dean: The general rule is that speed limits are merely suggestions.
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Robin Dean: That was just an amazing day. And I know you're going to talk a bit more about it.
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Robin Dean: Really, I'm just preparing to prepare. I got to get in the right headspace for
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Robin Dean: both a track day and I'm going to be coaching an MSF course. It's been a while.
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Robin Dean: Purchasing a new back protector, a little bit difficult. and rather not skimp
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Robin Dean: on cheaper brands. So I'm watching over Facebook Marketplace,
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Robin Dean: of all things, trying to find a back protector.
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Robin Dean: I did learn a lot about mine, and we'll get to that in a bit with Joanne.
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Robin Dean: Also, just for life efficiency, I've been attempting a new daily agenda.
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Robin Dean: Just a list of things like, see if you can get this much done kind of vibe.
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Robin Dean: Namely, a balanced blend of moto industry efforts, some writing,
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Robin Dean: some writing, the podcast, writer coaching, everything in moderation,
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Robin Dean: as they say, especially moderation. Brian.
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Robin Dean: How are you doing?
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Brian Wringer: Doing well. And again, yeah, the ride last Sunday was lots of fun.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of really interesting, fun stuff in southern Indiana.
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Brian Wringer: I caught like six drops of rain somewhere around Indy, even though it looked
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Brian Wringer: threatening all day everywhere we went. We just ignored it and we did our thing.
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Brian Wringer: The degree of hatred, it wasn't full hatred. It was a mindful degree of hatred
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Brian Wringer: that day on whatever crimes we were.
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Brian Wringer: Anyway, and at the end of the day, I arrived in my driveway with 420 miles on
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Brian Wringer: a day. So that was an action-packed time.
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Brian Wringer: Lots of fun exploring. I wish they would get done with 145.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know how many years they've had that. They just keep tearing up a different
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Brian Wringer: section of 145 every year.
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Robin Dean: Well, 450 made up for it, by and large.
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Brian Wringer: Big fun.
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Robin Dean: Outstanding.
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Brian Wringer: All the Indiana classics. We need not say more. And also some stuff like getting
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Brian Wringer: around and through and over.
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Brian Wringer: And I don't think we ended up on any gravel, which is unusual for a ride I'm leading.
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Brian Wringer: And yeah, we're getting ready for track day. We'll talk about that a little bit later.
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Brian Wringer: Preparations, purchases, things are underway for that.
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Robin Dean: I was hoping for a nice, light, easy, open schedule. And now I really am on edge.
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Robin Dean: Every weekend is dedicated to something. This is my free weekend right now.
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Robin Dean: So I have to get my headspace right so I can really do everything that is being asked of me.
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Brian Wringer: Get your mind right.
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Robin Dean: Properly well, yeah. You ready for some listener questions?
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Brian Wringer: Did it.
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Robin Dean: If you would like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web
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Robin Dean: browser and send us a message via the contact form.
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Robin Dean: First question, what is your current choice of tire inflator?
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Robin Dean: The CO2s just don't cut it, in my humble opinion.
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Robin Dean: My answer, I have reduced everything down to a handheld mechanical bike pump, which,
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Robin Dean: is, in my mind, probably all I really need to get a tire filled up to the full-on
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Robin Dean: 36 PSI necessary to meet spec on my machine.
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Robin Dean: Now, you might think, well, how the heck is that going to do that for an actual motorized vehicle?
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Robin Dean: Bicycle tire pressures go up to 75 PSI sometimes. Of course,
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Robin Dean: that's distributed in a smaller general space.
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Robin Dean: However, it's pretty much the same thing. And the more pressure that you put
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Robin Dean: into a tire, the faster it begins to inflate because all the air inside starts
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Robin Dean: pushing all the other air around more quickly, rapidly, that is.
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Robin Dean: So I just go with a mechanical one. I used to have the one that plugged into
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Robin Dean: the SAE, and I always accept the assistance of what Brian is about to mention
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Robin Dean: because everyone we know has one on their bike.
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Robin Dean: If we put them all together, we could Voltron, the ultimate mega tire inflator.
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Brian Wringer: Especially if you're in an isolated area, like having a, having a bicycle,
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Brian Wringer: you know, something you would clip on your bicycle pump actually works better than you would think.
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Brian Wringer: It's a great plan B. My plan A is honestly, if you're up to spend a little bit,
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Brian Wringer: you don't have to do this, but the one that I like, not a sponsor or anything,
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Brian Wringer: but it's a fantastic, it's a U.S.
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Brian Wringer: Based company. They make these in the United States and they're called,
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Brian Wringer: and it's motopumps.com, motopumps.com.
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Brian Wringer: And I've got a special edition orange pump.
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Brian Wringer: It sounds kind of like any of the other little pumps that plug into your battery,
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Brian Wringer: but this really works a lot better and it's a lot more durable.
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Brian Wringer: Or you can just grab the smallest slime pump at Wally World.
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Brian Wringer: I prefer the ones that plug into the bike battery, although the ones that have
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Brian Wringer: the self-contained battery, I think those could be pretty convenient in some situations.
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Brian Wringer: You're always up against what are the limits of this battery.
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Brian Wringer: You know, if I have a if I have a leak and it's repeated and I have to keep
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Brian Wringer: this thing charged, you know, and that's so forth.
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Brian Wringer: The one that plugs into the bike battery, you know, your bike battery is always there. And,
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Brian Wringer: It really doesn't take a ton of energy to pump up a tire, even a rear tire.
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Brian Wringer: You're not going to make your bike so it can't start or anything like that.
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Brian Wringer: As far as the battery-powered pumps, the ones that have an internal pump, it changes all the time.
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Brian Wringer: Read some recent reviews and make your best guess. Be careful.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of these, when you look at them on Amazon, it's hard to tell how big they are.
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Brian Wringer: Size really matters when you have to carry this thing on a motorcycle.
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Brian Wringer: And there's also, there are these little tiny ones that are about the size of
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Brian Wringer: like a Zippo lighter or like a pack of cards.
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Brian Wringer: They just don't have enough battery to do much with a motorcycle tire.
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Brian Wringer: I think they can do bicycle tires, but there's just not enough energy in that
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Brian Wringer: space to squeeze enough air into a motorcycle tire.
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Brian Wringer: And also, if you have tool batteries, I've brought my Ryobi pump before.
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Brian Wringer: If you have tool batteries, they always have pumps, but they're kind of big.
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Brian Wringer: So if you don't have the space, something dedicated that lives on the bike is
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Brian Wringer: probably a little bit better.
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Brian Wringer: Finally, I will agree that the CO2 just doesn't cut it. You need a bunch of
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Brian Wringer: cartridges to get anywhere.
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Brian Wringer: And then if you have a slow leak, you're kind of stuck again.
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Brian Wringer: So been there, done that, tried it, doesn't work.
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Robin Dean: Next up, we got questions from the wild. These are pretty good. First one of three.
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Robin Dean: It's a suspension setup question. How do street riders actually know when it's right?
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Brian Wringer: How long you got?
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Robin Dean: I can summarize this so quickly in my own mind. it's just personal preference,
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Robin Dean: but really the idea is after you hit a bump, the bike should rise up to just
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Robin Dean: above settled and then depress back to settled.
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Robin Dean: After you go over something that creates levity, the bike should rise above,
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Robin Dean: compress back down and go back to the normal position.
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Robin Dean: And all of this should happen as quickly as possible. But,
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Robin Dean: also comfortably. It's really that simple in my mind. It's like,
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Robin Dean: if I hit something, compress, rise, settle, or rise, compress,
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Robin Dean: settle in those three stages, it should not repeat those acts.
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Robin Dean: It should only happen one time, and it should happen as quickly and efficiently
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Robin Dean: as possible. Brian, what you got?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, that's about right. If the effects last longer than like a few revolutions
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Brian Wringer: of the tire, there's a problem with compression or rebound, something like that.
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Brian Wringer: I would also add to your list that you really need to have SAG in the ballpark.
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Brian Wringer: And again, look that up, TRO.bike, there's articles on suspension,
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Brian Wringer: there's SAG calculator, all that good stuff.
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Robin Dean: Go to TRO.bike, mouse over DigiTools, and you'll see it.
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Brian Wringer: For your bike, for your butt, for your luggage, get your SAG set up so you're
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Brian Wringer: in the top one-fourth to one-third of the range when your weight is on the bike.
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Brian Wringer: And that goes a long way.
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Brian Wringer: And then basically if if the bike starts staying upset when you go over the
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Brian Wringer: you keep feeling things over and over then yeah you have a problem and you need
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Brian Wringer: to address it and that's where we'll leave it otherwise we're going to be here for days
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Brian Wringer: so we can talk suspension for a long time okay let's fight this is becoming the new
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Brian Wringer: oil and tire debate but anyway is a roadside tire plug a limp home repair or full life repair
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Robin Dean: Oh i know this one i know this one it's neither yeah,
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Robin Dean: it's nothing to worry about so long as you have visually assessed the puncture
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Robin Dean: and have judged that yes a tire plug,
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Robin Dean: we call it sticky string is gonna take care of it basically what i'll do is
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Robin Dean: if there's a puncture which always happens,
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Robin Dean: every time brian and i ride together first we spill some kind of automotive
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Robin Dean: fluid all over his garage and then we go get tires punctured it's what happens point is,
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Robin Dean: If we're on a tour or we're at a rally or any kind of event that's going to
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Robin Dean: be multi-day and many, many miles, and there's a puncture, we will plug it with
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Robin Dean: the silly string, and then we will finish out the entire event with zero worry.
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Robin Dean: And then when we get home, we'll think, huh, do I want to replace that?
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Robin Dean: Or maybe put in a plug patch or swatch out the tire? And it all depends on the
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Robin Dean: tread depth and the remainder and all the stuff. But all in all,
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Robin Dean: I think it is down the center of that. It is neither a limp home nor a full-life repair.
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Robin Dean: It is something to do, enjoy your time, and when you're back home, think about it.
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Brian Wringer: It's one factor among many. When you're deciding whether to replace a tire,
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Brian Wringer: like let's say you got 10 points and when you're at 10, it's absolutely replaced
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Brian Wringer: the tire. It's done. It's shredded. It's dead.
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Brian Wringer: I would say having a plug in the tire adds maybe two or three points to that equation.
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Brian Wringer: So I would be more likely to replace a tire a little sooner if it already has
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Brian Wringer: a plug in it because I know the second one's coming because when tires get thin,
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Brian Wringer: they get more punctures.
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Robin Dean: Yes.
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Brian Wringer: Them's the rules. Yeah, we just did that.
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Robin Dean: I was in proximity of home and I had a tire for a friend. This worked out.
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Brian Wringer: It was beautiful. It was like a well-oiled machine. You know,
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Brian Wringer: you had a tire, he gets a tire, everybody gets a tire. Yeah,
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Brian Wringer: I think we've answered that and everybody's mad.
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Robin Dean: Is everybody hurt? Is anybody okay?
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Robin Dean: The next one, phone, dedicated GPS or CarPlay screen on a sport bike.
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Robin Dean: If this is a fresh episode, you can probably just go to the website and it's
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Robin Dean: the first thing you'll see on the page right there is the article linking to
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Robin Dean: it. But otherwise, if you need to search on the site, just look up Motorcycle
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Robin Dean: Tech Screen and the article will come up. Once more.
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Robin Dean: If you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser
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Robin Dean: and send us a message. We'd love to hear from you.
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Robin Dean: Which brings us to the all nerve-wracking, panic-inducing segment one.
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Robin Dean: Last week, Brian and I did our best to explain the benefits of carrying physical
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Robin Dean: maps, not for default use, but certainly as a fallback.
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Robin Dean: Also, it's sort of an art form, even if disguised as a planning slash survival tactic.
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Robin Dean: Quick summary, the sun rises to the east and sets to the west.
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Robin Dean: So if you check the time, before noon, the sun is likely to the east.
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Robin Dean: Afternoon, it's to the west.
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Robin Dean: If you know where east or west are, you know where north or south is.
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Robin Dean: So then you align your map with north, make sense of your whereabouts,
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Robin Dean: learn the road and the terrain, and you'll find your way.
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Robin Dean: So that was last week. That episode was inspired by my wanting to explore and
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Robin Dean: discuss the many apps out there, not maps, but apps, that can help us navigate with modern tech.
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Robin Dean: These are the kind of apps that let us plan our travels with exacting detail,
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Robin Dean: some with custom notifications of our own design.
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Robin Dean: Others can then import our plan and inform us of every upcoming turn,
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Robin Dean: complete with street names, other information, makes the entire process about
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Robin Dean: the act of writing rather than double-checking our odometer against how many
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Robin Dean: miles remain before the next lunch stop.
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Robin Dean: Our favorites generally remain the same Brian, feel free to cut me off at any
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Robin Dean: time And say what you'd like But Ride With GPS Osmond Locust Pro Curviger Best Biking Roads.
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Robin Dean: It begins to fade with Furcate And there's some weird ones out there too So I.
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Robin Dean: I put my hamster in a box AI on the job to find and make note of 40.
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Robin Dean: It turned out to be four zero.
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Robin Dean: 40 additional would be, we're number one motorcycle-friendly navigation apps.
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Robin Dean: And this totally put me in panic mode. I wanted to get into the finer points
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Robin Dean: of each. And that sure is hell going to take more than one episode.
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Robin Dean: With that right here, right now, I'm suggesting we do our best to see what we
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Robin Dean: can accomplish and have some fun with it.
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Robin Dean: Whatever we don't get to shall become ingredients in our newest series,
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Robin Dean: the Maps to Apps Testing Grounds, which I'll do just five minutes of each episode.
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Robin Dean: I'm testing this app and here's the result. You know what I mean?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, the one thing I will say right up front, we are not talking about Google
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Brian Wringer: Maps. No. We're not talking about Apple Maps. Oh, they mean Waze.
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Brian Wringer: We're not talking about whatever. We're not talking about Waze.
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Brian Wringer: So these are dedicated, these are dedicated apps.
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Robin Dean: Or aimed to be.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, and...
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Brian Wringer: Sometimes a website that goes along with it, and we'll talk about that.
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Brian Wringer: Hopefully, most have a mode or are dedicated to motorcycling.
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Brian Wringer: I think the last thing, and we'll need to make some distinctions here,
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Brian Wringer: is they should work offline because the best roads are out where the sell signals
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Brian Wringer: fear to tread. This is what we're talking about.
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Robin Dean: Bit of an isolated truth there that I didn't necessarily mention all that well.
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Robin Dean: I think about the order of operation reaching out to our real dedicated listenership here.
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Robin Dean: In the sport touring community, you know yourself. You know that you want to,
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Robin Dean: find that road that nobody's really made sense of yet.
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Robin Dean: And you want to isolate your route with exacting detail. You want it to go from
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Robin Dean: here, 250 miles, you know which roads you want to hit.
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Robin Dean: You want to make sure that you
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Robin Dean: nail it. And there may be some little in-betweens you want to test out.
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Robin Dean: And you wouldn't mind maybe hearing the GPS in your ear saying,
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Robin Dean: hey, about two miles, you're going to turn right on this road, whatever.
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Robin Dean: You're building that map Now once the map's built You want to be able to export
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Robin Dean: it If you're not going to use it inside of the software That is designed to
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Robin Dean: handle it You want to be able to export it to something that's portable GPX being the MP3,
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Robin Dean: Of map files,
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Robin Dean: And then you want the software that's going to be Your navigator,
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Robin Dean: To be capable of importing that GPX And accurately giving you turn-by-turn directions,
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Robin Dean: There might also be the opportunity For a social queue to,
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Robin Dean: provide that map to your friends and they can do the same thing there's a huge huge list 40 apps total.
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Robin Dean: Right now i'm still all about ride with gps,
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Robin Dean: as my planning platform but i am definitely considering downgrading
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Robin Dean: it'll stay social you'll have access to my maps i'll be able to create the maps
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Robin Dean: develop the routes and share them with everybody just that's a free feature
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Robin Dean: but i am gonna get back into osmond a little bit because,
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Robin Dean: i have a big place in my heart for all things open source and osmond is open source,
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Robin Dean: now if i'm goofing off opposite that if i'm just being a twerp about it and
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Robin Dean: wanting to fuck around and find out,
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Robin Dean: kerfiger is just goofy stupid and fun totally worth the the coin for a yearly
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Robin Dean: subscription i think i paid 50 bucks for an entire year of just like,
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Robin Dean: it's not all that adjustable it's super basic the first thing it's going to
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Robin Dean: do is forcibly say like take these twisty roads and you know you can add waypoints
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Robin Dean: and supposedly you can drag the line but,
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Robin Dean: there's a lot of goofiness about how it does what it does that's a lot of fun,
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Robin Dean: it doesn't really have a mailbox detector.
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Robin Dean: It's a good time in a, well, that didn't work out, or yes, that was fantastic
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Robin Dean: spectrum of opportunity.
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Robin Dean: That is where most of my familiarity tapers off because I found everything I
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Robin Dean: needed and I learned to operate it.
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Robin Dean: That's the thing about it. So today, just out of curiosity, I cracked open Osmond.
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Robin Dean: There are so many configurable settings that you really have to become a virtuoso
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Robin Dean: of the preferences screen.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: And then you might change profiles and realize that changes all the preferences.
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Robin Dean: You got to do this for it. There's just so much.
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Robin Dean: I guess I'm kind of looking forward to sitting down with it again.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. There's one thing to keep people organized. It's really important there
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Brian Wringer: is to separate the planning function from the app function. What's on your handlebars.
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Brian Wringer: Sometimes they're the same thing, sometimes they're not. And you can also mix things up.
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Brian Wringer: Personally, right now, what I use is ArrivaGPS to do the planning.
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Brian Wringer: I really have not yet found a better planning platform.
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Brian Wringer: Curviger has a lot of interesting ideas, I got to say. And then you're like,
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Brian Wringer: why is it going through this neighborhood? I mean, there's kids here.
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Robin Dean: Because it's dumb.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it kind of, it's just like, oh, this looks like a curve.
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Brian Wringer: Well, there's mailboxes stop signs come on i could
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Robin Dean: Hear their accent too they're just like look it does what it does that is technically
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Robin Dean: a paved road you wanted twisty we gave you twisty mailbox we cannot help with good luck.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah a lot of these have interesting ideas sigic the one we talked about has
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Brian Wringer: you know that kind of thing has all the weather and all that stuff coming in
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Brian Wringer: and there are also different degrees of connectability or connective connectiveness
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Brian Wringer: i don't know what you'd call it.
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Brian Wringer: Internet-erness. And the thing is, I use Locus Pro on my handlebars.
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Brian Wringer: There's really no good reason for that other than years ago when I was first
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Brian Wringer: getting into having, oh, I think a map on my handlebars would be awesome.
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Brian Wringer: I'll put my phone up here because I don't want to spend any money. And
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Brian Wringer: It's hard to use. I will give you that. But once you get it set up,
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Brian Wringer: it's really, you don't touch it.
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Brian Wringer: There's a learning curve to that. And the same, like, Osmond is,
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Brian Wringer: I don't, and the only reason I don't use Osmond is because it made my phone
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Brian Wringer: crash five, 10 years ago, whenever it was.
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Brian Wringer: So there's really not a good reason I don't really use it anymore.
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Robin Dean: I wrote an article a long time ago when I had it all dialed in and I spent the
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Robin Dean: time, you know, what else was I going to do? I didn't have mass career situations happening.
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Robin Dean: So I just really honed in on that app and sort of tuned it.
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Robin Dean: And I got what I wanted. What happens first time I handed off to a friend at
00:25:04.886 --> 00:25:06.992
Robin Dean: that time, it was our friend GBW.
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Robin Dean: He read the instructions. He understood what I'd done. He actually commented.
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Robin Dean: He was like, this is the best step-by-step I've read on getting this to work.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, he used that for a while.
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Robin Dean: Well, the first time he used it, we're at a rally, and he kicks it on,
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Robin Dean: has the map loaded up, hits the navigation button, and then about 20 miles into the route, he...
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Robin Dean: You know, waves me up next to him. He's like, come here, come here.
00:25:34.547 --> 00:25:40.166
Robin Dean: And he looks up and he says, so she will not shut the hell up.
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Robin Dean: How do I get her to just shut up?
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Robin Dean: You know, because you can, there's two modes where it's like,
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Robin Dean: you could have it tell you you're going to need to make a turn in a couple of
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Robin Dean: miles, or it's going to warn you like a rally car navigator
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Robin Dean: about every degree of every corner coming up,
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Robin Dean: and a half mile, 45 degrees left and 2.5 miles.
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Robin Dean: You're going to do a hard hairpin right. Watch out for the geese.
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Robin Dean: You know, it's like, it's random.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. So some people are going to want that. Some people are not.
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Robin Dean: You really got to finesse the preferences to get it exactly where you want them.
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Robin Dean: From what I understand, you can now tell it to give street name,
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Robin Dean: turn by turn directions. That's going to be a good fix.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. It'd be worth experimenting with. That's kind of overall the point is
00:26:23.999 --> 00:26:27.979
Brian Wringer: you really have to, you have to try and experiment. And, and the other thing
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Brian Wringer: we found is I've, Everybody has different preferences and a different mental
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Brian Wringer: map for how they interact with these maps.
00:26:35.545 --> 00:26:42.199
Brian Wringer: Robbins happens to be completely wrong, but I use north up whenever I have maps
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Brian Wringer: going, and most people think I'm insane.
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Brian Wringer: I like that. It works the way my mind works. I like to know exactly where I
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:53.801
Brian Wringer: am, what directions are what, and even things like the scaling when it scales in and out and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: When it zooms in and out automatically, do you go with the stock settings?
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Brian Wringer: You know, all these things are configurable.
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Brian Wringer: They've been this way for a while, at least five or 10 years.
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Brian Wringer: So what I think is really interesting is all these new things are coming out
00:27:06.289 --> 00:27:10.019
Brian Wringer: and they all have different new ideas that are really interesting.
00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:14.109
Brian Wringer: Curviger has been around a while, but it's a really cool idea and it's getting
00:27:14.109 --> 00:27:16.485
Brian Wringer: better and better at executing that.
00:27:16.943 --> 00:27:20.438
Brian Wringer: I remember the first iterations of Curviger, I don't know how many years ago I tried it.
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Brian Wringer: It would literally take you through every neighborhood with every mailbox.
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Brian Wringer: That's why we make that joke.
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Brian Wringer: It's getting better at that. It's getting better at finding things that aren't
00:27:28.439 --> 00:27:31.479
Brian Wringer: like, you know, stop sign left, stop sign right, stop sign left,
00:27:31.479 --> 00:27:33.871
Brian Wringer: stop sign right, stop sign right, right, right.
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Robin Dean: UPS.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: So that's what I think is interesting. For example, CIGIC we talked about,
00:27:40.159 --> 00:27:42.932
Brian Wringer: you know, it connects to the internet and it can show you the weather.
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Brian Wringer: We're starting to get apps and we're starting to get things that figure out,
00:27:46.532 --> 00:27:50.984
Brian Wringer: that understand what motorcyclists want. Car drivers are simple.
00:27:51.438 --> 00:27:54.833
Brian Wringer: Google Maps, all you want is the shortest, quickest way to get from A to B.
00:27:55.262 --> 00:27:57.440
Brian Wringer: And you don't really care what you see along the way.
00:27:57.899 --> 00:28:03.087
Brian Wringer: But there are a crop of apps that are figuring out what motorcyclists want to see.
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Brian Wringer: What are some of those interesting ideas that we found here.
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Brian Wringer: I've never even heard of some of these.
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Robin Dean: Let's do this backwards in the most random order. So there's one called Riders without the E.
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Robin Dean: Ride Today can connect nearby riders for a spontaneous same-day ride.
00:28:17.530 --> 00:28:21.530
Robin Dean: And then it shares the ETAs without exposing the location longer than necessary.
00:28:21.976 --> 00:28:25.419
Robin Dean: So the privacy is maintained, but it's like all about gathering for a group ride.
00:28:25.865 --> 00:28:30.272
Robin Dean: Now, that is sketch as far as I'm concerned because I'm very personal about
00:28:30.272 --> 00:28:35.882
Robin Dean: who I ride with. But maybe in social, If there's a bike night or a vintage motorcycle
00:28:35.882 --> 00:28:38.452
Robin Dean: night or a car show and bikes will be there, that kind of thing.
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Robin Dean: Okay. That's kind of cool. Ride in together.
00:28:41.086 --> 00:28:47.412
Robin Dean: There's this Ride Forge app. So Ride Guardian adds a live family follow link
00:28:47.412 --> 00:28:51.540
Robin Dean: and one tap emergency contact access alongside the active motorcycle route.
00:28:52.011 --> 00:28:54.879
Robin Dean: It's mutual across the board. I think on a networking level,
00:28:55.338 --> 00:28:58.629
Robin Dean: you see an issue. You know who to contact when you discover the problem.
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Robin Dean: These are obscure, too, man. Yantera. It's weather-aware routing combines radar,
00:29:05.351 --> 00:29:10.430
Robin Dean: wind, rain, and hazard alerts with proactive rerouting intended to steer the ride around storms.
00:29:10.662 --> 00:29:14.091
Robin Dean: You and I could have used that the other day, but we actually won that battle,
00:29:14.091 --> 00:29:16.287
Robin Dean: so it worked out. And plus, we could use a shower.
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:22.957
Brian Wringer: That was interesting, and both good and bad. The best roads have no cell signals, believe me.
00:29:23.409 --> 00:29:28.571
Brian Wringer: So this all requires a crap ton of data, and it requires a good data connection
00:29:29.191 --> 00:29:32.471
Brian Wringer: to make sure that your weather report
00:29:33.377 --> 00:29:37.031
Brian Wringer: you know is accurate and it's routing you around so if you know if it follows
00:29:37.031 --> 00:29:41.291
Brian Wringer: through a net promise and it can make do with the occasional scrap of 4g
00:29:42.031 --> 00:29:46.601
Brian Wringer: you know when you're in tennessee and mountain somewhere that's pretty interesting
00:29:46.601 --> 00:29:51.281
Brian Wringer: but it can also blow through a lot of data if that concerns you so there's a
00:29:51.281 --> 00:29:54.401
Brian Wringer: lot there's a the devil's in the details for these Oh,
00:29:54.401 --> 00:29:57.571
Robin Dean: Downloadable maps. It's really all about the offline maps.
00:29:57.571 --> 00:30:03.882
Robin Dean: So if you can contain the calculatory system to the phone app itself versus
00:30:04.277 --> 00:30:09.721
Robin Dean: a request for server level processing, and you have the local maps on your phone
00:30:09.721 --> 00:30:11.474
Robin Dean: for it to do that processing with.
00:30:11.926 --> 00:30:14.713
Robin Dean: Yeah. I mean, your battery might be able to keep your hands warm,
00:30:15.067 --> 00:30:19.328
Robin Dean: but at the same time, you know that everything's localized in a way that will always be accessible.
00:30:19.792 --> 00:30:23.801
Robin Dean: For example, another one that's here under the new and emerging motorcycle apps.
00:30:23.801 --> 00:30:25.806
Robin Dean: And we'll talk about these individually one day.
00:30:26.265 --> 00:30:29.591
Robin Dean: Too tired. It's one word called T-W-O, tired.
00:30:30.050 --> 00:30:34.659
Robin Dean: One voice request can specify stops, the character of the roadways,
00:30:35.123 --> 00:30:39.866
Robin Dean: and different pacing by section, such as like technical out and mellow home, that kind of thing.
00:30:40.313 --> 00:30:40.777
Brian Wringer: Interesting.
00:30:41.317 --> 00:30:44.654
Robin Dean: Each one of these has a unique characteristic, and I'm going to make a point
00:30:44.654 --> 00:30:46.843
Robin Dean: to sort of focus on that as we go.
00:30:47.302 --> 00:30:51.052
Robin Dean: Here are the commonalities I'm noticing. Most of them are community-driven.
00:30:51.336 --> 00:30:51.853
Brian Wringer: I.e.
00:30:52.021 --> 00:30:56.694
Robin Dean: Find people who have the same app to go ride, which can be either beautiful
00:30:56.694 --> 00:30:58.657
Robin Dean: or cringy, depending on how it goes.
00:30:59.121 --> 00:31:04.324
Robin Dean: I do remember times where we all would, in fact, feel some good in the world
00:31:04.644 --> 00:31:09.304
Robin Dean: wanting to shake hands with someone new just to say we did. You know,
00:31:09.304 --> 00:31:10.508
Robin Dean: do you remember meetup.com?
00:31:10.972 --> 00:31:11.187
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:31:11.733 --> 00:31:17.468
Robin Dean: I actually met up with people to play overhand fast pitch baseball.
00:31:17.915 --> 00:31:23.184
Robin Dean: Catchers, outfielders, the whole deal. Overhand, fully grown adults hurling
00:31:23.184 --> 00:31:27.058
Robin Dean: fastballs down the line just because, you know, there was no need for a waiver.
00:31:27.523 --> 00:31:32.114
Robin Dean: That's when it actually did something, which was not the worst thing in the world. It was so fun.
00:31:32.561 --> 00:31:35.482
Robin Dean: You know, so communicating, learning, bridging new friendships as it were.
00:31:35.800 --> 00:31:40.644
Robin Dean: Even if you think the group ride vibe is cringy, many of these apps have websites
00:31:40.644 --> 00:31:45.117
Robin Dean: to support them, forums dedicated to app assistance, route improvement,
00:31:45.442 --> 00:31:47.271
Robin Dean: those little roads you'd otherwise miss.
00:31:47.724 --> 00:31:49.474
Robin Dean: People can actually check out your stuff and be like, hey, you know what?
00:31:49.474 --> 00:31:51.584
Robin Dean: You should check this out. It's really great. And there's, you know,
00:31:51.584 --> 00:31:55.067
Robin Dean: it's a park road and it's kind of closed off and whatever. These are good things.
00:31:55.526 --> 00:32:00.025
Robin Dean: I gotta say though, tourstart.org is the funniest of the bunch.
00:32:00.419 --> 00:32:05.814
Robin Dean: It's got this overdramatic jet engine intro featuring a giant straight line
00:32:05.814 --> 00:32:07.152
Robin Dean: road off into the distance.
00:32:07.622 --> 00:32:11.109
Robin Dean: Then the next scene is like slow rollers who are damn near falling over in the
00:32:11.109 --> 00:32:13.038
Robin Dean: curves going a half mile an hour.
00:32:13.491 --> 00:32:16.765
Robin Dean: But the point is, this exists, and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:32:17.224 --> 00:32:21.469
Robin Dean: The support for finding the better ride, it's out there.
00:32:21.469 --> 00:32:26.179
Robin Dean: It may be spread a little thin, and we'll talk about that eventually one app
00:32:26.179 --> 00:32:30.279
Robin Dean: at a time. But this is just supporting the industry. It's supporting what we
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.759
Robin Dean: want to do. And to keep the segment that I'm developing here interesting,
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.834
Robin Dean: which, again, it'll be about five minutes each episode.
00:32:36.154 --> 00:32:40.729
Robin Dean: I'm going to let whatever I personally deem quote better than whatever my current
00:32:40.729 --> 00:32:45.674
Robin Dean: favorite specifics are, I'm going to let that push them aside in favor of improved experience.
00:32:46.138 --> 00:32:50.434
Robin Dean: That way all apps following in their footsteps will be compared against that set bar.
00:32:50.892 --> 00:32:53.029
Robin Dean: That's the plan. We're going to have some fun with this. And whatever pushes
00:32:53.029 --> 00:32:55.815
Robin Dean: the next one out of the way, this ought to be something good for everybody.
00:32:56.256 --> 00:32:59.426
Robin Dean: I just got to welcome back Joanne into the room. Hello, Joanne.
00:32:59.879 --> 00:33:03.575
Joanne Donn: Now, hopefully you can't hear the 3D printer buzzing. I turned it off.
00:33:04.016 --> 00:33:05.862
Joanne Donn: I paused it, but the motor's running.
00:33:06.327 --> 00:33:10.112
Robin Dean: You left Maggie hanging in the last episode.
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.579
Robin Dean: We were like telling you about how we're going to all get together and not ride
00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:18.409
Robin Dean: in Kentucky and make sure that we don't enjoy those awesome roads as a group,
00:33:18.409 --> 00:33:19.829
Robin Dean: which we won't be doing. You know what I mean?
00:33:20.131 --> 00:33:22.232
Robin Dean: Hint, hint, hint. Maybe we can all get together. And you said,
00:33:22.354 --> 00:33:24.763
Robin Dean: if my bike is running, I will try.
00:33:25.054 --> 00:33:26.122
Joanne Donn: If my bike is running.
00:33:26.551 --> 00:33:27.579
Robin Dean: You want to fill listeners in?
00:33:28.049 --> 00:33:32.385
Joanne Donn: Yeah, it just won't turn over. I mean, it's trying to turn. It's not a battery problem.
00:33:32.850 --> 00:33:36.118
Joanne Donn: Problem we think maybe it's an alternator problem something like that
00:33:36.582 --> 00:33:41.099
Joanne Donn: and I don't have a proper garage to look at it ourselves so I just gotta wait
00:33:41.557 --> 00:33:45.029
Joanne Donn: and I can get it taken I'm probably gonna go to one of the small shops around
00:33:45.029 --> 00:33:48.779
Joanne Donn: here in Runtown to get it looked at I don't think it's a major thing but we
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.281
Joanne Donn: googled and found my make in
00:33:51.745 --> 00:33:53.279
Joanne Donn: exact year and they had the same
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.068
Joanne Donn: problem and it was like I think their alternator or one of the other parts
00:33:57.538 --> 00:33:58.334
Robin Dean: You got a voltmeter?
00:33:58.792 --> 00:34:03.330
Joanne Donn: Yeah, like we checked everything. We ruled out the battery for the most part.
00:34:03.592 --> 00:34:07.185
Joanne Donn: But I don't know. We haven't really spent a lot, lot, lot of time on it.
00:34:07.649 --> 00:34:10.157
Joanne Donn: It's just because it's a big public apartment building. It's secure,
00:34:10.157 --> 00:34:13.785
Joanne Donn: which is great because our bikes have never been bothered. I'm going to have to figure it out.
00:34:14.220 --> 00:34:19.282
Robin Dean: That means it's time for The Armory, brought to you by GearChick.com.
00:34:32.198 --> 00:34:39.144
Robin Dean: All right. So, Joanne, look, me and Brian and Brian and I are on the hunt for back protectors.
00:34:39.602 --> 00:34:44.767
Robin Dean: They need to be rigid, meaning some flexibility is okay, but bottom line,
00:34:44.767 --> 00:34:47.410
Robin Dean: they need to be more exoskeleton than nerf.
00:34:47.828 --> 00:34:53.307
Joanne Donn: Okay. So you don't want like crazy rigidity. What you do want is impact absorption,
00:34:53.307 --> 00:34:59.257
Joanne Donn: right? You want nice shock absorption. So not every school has like a really
00:34:59.257 --> 00:35:01.574
Joanne Donn: detailed specific overview of what you need.
00:35:02.033 --> 00:35:07.042
Joanne Donn: But my recommendation is always going to be a level two full length back protector.
00:35:07.495 --> 00:35:14.345
Joanne Donn: We shortcut that to FLBP, but you basically search for full length back protector.
00:35:14.717 --> 00:35:20.046
Joanne Donn: And that's very different from your inserts that go in your jacket,
00:35:20.498 --> 00:35:23.407
Joanne Donn: you know, that have a pocket. when your jacket has a pocket where you can slip
00:35:23.407 --> 00:35:28.643
Joanne Donn: in a piece that's really the center of your spine, this is not what we're talking about.
00:35:29.101 --> 00:35:32.667
Joanne Donn: We're talking about a full length, and that means there'll be a kidney belt,
00:35:32.667 --> 00:35:36.554
Joanne Donn: there'll be like suspender straps like a little backpack would,
00:35:37.018 --> 00:35:41.883
Joanne Donn: and then a kidney belt around your waist for support for your lower back,
00:35:42.347 --> 00:35:43.787
Joanne Donn: but it'll basically protect
00:35:44.813 --> 00:35:48.297
Joanne Donn: Full length of your spine. That's why it's full length. So it should go down
00:35:48.297 --> 00:35:49.544
Joanne Donn: to your tailbone almost.
00:35:50.009 --> 00:35:54.374
Joanne Donn: And since you're in a suit and you're bending over, it doesn't matter that it's long.
00:35:54.839 --> 00:35:58.345
Joanne Donn: It would matter if you're going to like sit up straight on your KLR or something.
00:35:58.798 --> 00:36:03.192
Joanne Donn: Pretty much all the big brands, Alpenza, Dianase, Revit, Knox,
00:36:03.534 --> 00:36:08.317
Joanne Donn: all the big reliable brands, they all make back protectors and most of them
00:36:08.317 --> 00:36:10.053
Joanne Donn: make full length back protectors.
00:36:10.518 --> 00:36:13.206
Joanne Donn: If you have a level two back protector, it's a level two period.
00:36:13.670 --> 00:36:15.795
Joanne Donn: You're on the level of safety that you need to be.
00:36:16.259 --> 00:36:21.477
Joanne Donn: It's not about the specs at that point. It's really what is going to fit you
00:36:21.477 --> 00:36:25.663
Joanne Donn: comfortably under your suit in your riding position.
00:36:25.802 --> 00:36:30.642
Joanne Donn: And I would say that all the brands offer comfortable choices.
00:36:31.101 --> 00:36:34.997
Joanne Donn: You actually want to avoid something that has a hard shell because that means
00:36:34.997 --> 00:36:38.485
Joanne Donn: less flexibility and less room to make it fit under your suit.
00:36:38.932 --> 00:36:41.370
Joanne Donn: Because remember, it's not 1994 anymore.
00:36:41.823 --> 00:36:45.010
Joanne Donn: Protection isn't defined by hardness.
00:36:45.468 --> 00:36:48.342
Joanne Donn: It's not that anymore. It used to be a long, long, long time ago.
00:36:48.528 --> 00:36:53.477
Joanne Donn: Now it's really about comfort because all of the brands put together some amazing
00:36:53.477 --> 00:36:56.991
Joanne Donn: pieces where they're all going to work great. Those straps are removable.
00:36:57.449 --> 00:37:03.214
Joanne Donn: If you really wanted to, you could take the straps off, strap the waist on, and then get in the suit.
00:37:03.667 --> 00:37:07.087
Joanne Donn: And the suit is snug enough to hold it in place. Straps are there to hold it
00:37:07.087 --> 00:37:10.638
Joanne Donn: in place, but the suit's really snug, the straps are optional. So you just
00:37:11.597 --> 00:37:14.882
Joanne Donn: Do what works. Try it on with your suit and see what works for you.
00:37:15.341 --> 00:37:19.450
Joanne Donn: Also, there's Velcro around the waist belt and you can adjust that.
00:37:19.851 --> 00:37:23.822
Joanne Donn: So you can actually move the straps in and out tighter or looser.
00:37:24.292 --> 00:37:29.242
Joanne Donn: Now you size it by your height. The taller you are, the larger the size.
00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:33.560
Joanne Donn: But the rule with full length back protectors, it can never be too long because
00:37:34.025 --> 00:37:36.639
Joanne Donn: it's not like it's going to go all the way down past your butt.
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.463
Joanne Donn: Like we're not talking that long because if the suit is already really snug.
00:37:40.776 --> 00:37:44.079
Joanne Donn: If you try to squeeze a plastic, something that has a hard shell,
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:45.583
Joanne Donn: you probably won't be able to.
00:37:45.826 --> 00:37:49.449
Joanne Donn: But right now, CE standards don't have anything for your kidneys.
00:37:49.803 --> 00:37:52.629
Joanne Donn: So that's just a little extra around the waist. Some people like it.
00:37:52.629 --> 00:37:54.882
Joanne Donn: And if you're someone who just wants as much as you can get,
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:58.729
Joanne Donn: well, there you go. Just make sure that you have a good three quarters of an
00:37:58.729 --> 00:38:02.559
Joanne Donn: inch of room around your waist and around your chest, you know,
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.310
Joanne Donn: without an insert already in the
00:38:05.234 --> 00:38:09.085
Joanne Donn: So the reason I recommend the other two is because of that flatness.
00:38:09.085 --> 00:38:12.855
Joanne Donn: But for those of you out there who you have a little room to spare and actually
00:38:12.855 --> 00:38:17.859
Joanne Donn: you need the opposite where you're trying to take up more space in the body,
00:38:18.202 --> 00:38:21.040
Joanne Donn: you should look at the ProArmor, the Dionysia ProArmor.
00:38:21.505 --> 00:38:27.529
Joanne Donn: It's longer and narrower, but their cells are really thick. So you need a good inch.
00:38:27.994 --> 00:38:31.975
Joanne Donn: I've actually used that for people, the insert versions for people whose jackets
00:38:31.975 --> 00:38:35.029
Joanne Donn: are a half size too big. It takes up a little space.
00:38:35.494 --> 00:38:40.595
Joanne Donn: Even the older version, it would actually curve to your spine really well.
00:38:40.595 --> 00:38:43.342
Joanne Donn: Like it would actually curve in and out.
00:38:43.795 --> 00:38:48.195
Joanne Donn: It was way more pliable, but the compromise is thickness. So it looks like they've
00:38:48.195 --> 00:38:51.705
Joanne Donn: added some like really funky, I don't know what they call it,
00:38:51.705 --> 00:38:54.522
Joanne Donn: but they added some cool flexion in the middle.
00:38:54.987 --> 00:39:01.012
Joanne Donn: Expanded nitrile rubber, carbon elastomer. So some really cool materials in there.
00:39:01.477 --> 00:39:06.025
Joanne Donn: So it looks like it's even more ergonomic and it'll really like curve to your
00:39:06.025 --> 00:39:11.961
Joanne Donn: spine and probably curve more, especially if it's really long on you.
00:39:12.425 --> 00:39:16.475
Joanne Donn: The more forward riding position you have and the more aggressive you sit,
00:39:16.475 --> 00:39:21.065
Joanne Donn: like especially if you body shift to get your knee down, the top of the protector
00:39:21.065 --> 00:39:23.507
Joanne Donn: will probably follow you better.
00:39:23.953 --> 00:39:27.743
Joanne Donn: But again, you do need more room in this chest. I would say an inch,
00:39:28.068 --> 00:39:32.865
Joanne Donn: at least an inch of space in your chest and waist to spare. And generally when
00:39:32.865 --> 00:39:35.957
Joanne Donn: you buy a suit, that's what you also wanna look for.
00:39:36.422 --> 00:39:40.835
Joanne Donn: When you buy a new suit, you need to have a good inch of space around your chest.
00:39:40.835 --> 00:39:43.068
Joanne Donn: It's not that much. We're not talking a size up.
00:39:43.417 --> 00:39:49.808
Joanne Donn: We're just talking enough chest space for you to add a back protector and be comfortable with it.
00:39:50.261 --> 00:39:53.585
Joanne Donn: So generally when you're suit shopping, And if you can, you want to bring your
00:39:53.585 --> 00:39:57.875
Joanne Donn: protectors when you buy your suit so you can put your protector on and your
00:39:57.875 --> 00:39:59.891
Joanne Donn: track boots on with the suit you're buying.
00:40:00.309 --> 00:40:03.467
Joanne Donn: Or if you're shopping for all of it at the store.
00:40:04.140 --> 00:40:08.076
Joanne Donn: Put on the new back protector under that new suit. Two things I have to say
00:40:08.076 --> 00:40:12.936
Joanne Donn: is that you won't get a full-length back protector that's a strap and a kidney
00:40:12.936 --> 00:40:14.990
Joanne Donn: strap for less than $150.
00:40:15.454 --> 00:40:21.265
Joanne Donn: That's just the bar. Now, inserts, you can find an insert, like you can find a D3O insert for $50.
00:40:21.734 --> 00:40:25.246
Joanne Donn: Even a level one is fine, especially when you're a beginner,
00:40:25.246 --> 00:40:30.035
Joanne Donn: when you're new to the track, or you're just a casual once a year track day rider,
00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:35.536
Joanne Donn: your needs are far less than the guys and the gals who go out every month,
00:40:35.536 --> 00:40:38.098
Joanne Donn: every weekend during track season.
00:40:38.563 --> 00:40:43.398
Joanne Donn: You should not put yourself up to their requirements and standards.
00:40:43.764 --> 00:40:47.666
Joanne Donn: You don't have to is what I'm saying. You can if you want ultimate protection,
00:40:47.666 --> 00:40:52.483
Joanne Donn: of course, or you just want to go all out and buy the best. Go crazy.
00:40:52.942 --> 00:40:58.532
Joanne Donn: But don't feel like you have to match them because you're on the track.
00:40:58.938 --> 00:41:02.194
Joanne Donn: You're not getting your knee down. You're afraid to, in fact.
00:41:02.607 --> 00:41:06.682
Joanne Donn: You're just going around the track trying to figure out how to ride it.
00:41:07.147 --> 00:41:12.526
Joanne Donn: Your risk of injury is, you know, especially to your spine, is a lot lower than
00:41:12.526 --> 00:41:14.594
Joanne Donn: the people who are in group one.
00:41:15.012 --> 00:41:19.900
Joanne Donn: In my days, group one was the best or group A, where they're going the fastest,
00:41:20.066 --> 00:41:22.220
Joanne Donn: your risk level is not like theirs.
00:41:22.568 --> 00:41:24.159
Joanne Donn: You can get away with
00:41:24.717 --> 00:41:31.125
Joanne Donn: Insert. So if your suit and most of the new suits now come with pockets to insert
00:41:31.125 --> 00:41:37.388
Joanne Donn: a back protector, just like a jacket, because those entry-level suits and a lot of the suits
00:41:37.854 --> 00:41:41.672
Joanne Donn: that have that, they are for people who are casually tracking
00:41:42.138 --> 00:41:44.251
Joanne Donn: once a year, maybe twice a year.
00:41:44.528 --> 00:41:49.329
Joanne Donn: Maybe you're taking a street-focused track day, which is very different than
00:41:49.590 --> 00:41:52.922
Joanne Donn: the track club people who go every week during the summer.
00:41:53.388 --> 00:41:57.119
Joanne Donn: Do an insert. There's nothing wrong with that. If you don't have a pocket,
00:41:57.578 --> 00:42:02.211
Joanne Donn: either your suit's too old because way back, pockets weren't a thing.
00:42:03.045 --> 00:42:07.955
Joanne Donn: A lot of suit manufacturers didn't put inserts into the suits because generally
00:42:07.955 --> 00:42:09.532
Joanne Donn: you go to the track, you wear a
00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:16.044
Joanne Donn: I would say if you're really on a budget, use the insert option.
00:42:16.509 --> 00:42:20.158
Joanne Donn: Hopefully there's a pocket. If you don't have a pocket in your suit,
00:42:20.623 --> 00:42:21.685
Joanne Donn: that's a different thing.
00:42:22.109 --> 00:42:24.942
Joanne Donn: You really don't want to do a track day without one.
00:42:25.406 --> 00:42:29.296
Joanne Donn: Get away with it on the street. Take your risk. But going to the track,
00:42:29.296 --> 00:42:33.866
Joanne Donn: you are going to step up your level of riding. And you are going to step up
00:42:33.866 --> 00:42:35.942
Joanne Donn: your risk, just not to the highest level.
00:42:36.401 --> 00:42:40.023
Joanne Donn: You need back protection. And if you can't do it, don't go.
00:42:40.371 --> 00:42:43.466
Joanne Donn: I mean, I'm going to be honest. You really shouldn't be at the track if you
00:42:43.466 --> 00:42:48.202
Joanne Donn: don't have all the protection with you. It's the one place you shouldn't skimp.
00:42:48.655 --> 00:42:52.266
Joanne Donn: Also, try shopping on Facebook Marketplace. Used suits are really,
00:42:52.786 --> 00:42:55.276
Joanne Donn: Really inexpensive. So you can probably, you might even be able to find,
00:42:55.276 --> 00:42:56.596
Joanne Donn: you'll probably find some back protectors too.
00:42:57.061 --> 00:43:01.826
Joanne Donn: But I would definitely recommend going with brands that you know,
00:43:02.035 --> 00:43:07.996
Joanne Donn: not generic brands on Amazon because they're inexpensive. I mean,
00:43:07.996 --> 00:43:10.029
Joanne Donn: you can take a chance. Go ahead and take that risk.
00:43:10.493 --> 00:43:15.927
Joanne Donn: But you really want to go with companies you know and that are here and that
00:43:16.158 --> 00:43:17.429
Joanne Donn: everyone at the track wears.
00:43:17.806 --> 00:43:21.672
Joanne Donn: If they wear it at the track, then you know they're legit and they're not fake.
00:43:22.125 --> 00:43:26.961
Joanne Donn: Because these protectors are level two and because of the materials that these
00:43:27.292 --> 00:43:31.226
Joanne Donn: premium brands use now, they're repeat performance protection,
00:43:31.226 --> 00:43:34.844
Joanne Donn: meaning you can crash in it, use it again. It's not like a helmet.
00:43:35.308 --> 00:43:38.916
Joanne Donn: They're not one time only. The material, whatever they call it,
00:43:38.916 --> 00:43:43.163
Joanne Donn: they bounce back. They don't just compromise and then trash.
00:43:43.627 --> 00:43:48.606
Joanne Donn: You don't have to worry about buying used armor like a helmet,
00:43:48.606 --> 00:43:50.966
Joanne Donn: but certainly ask the questions, have you ever crashed in it?
00:43:50.966 --> 00:43:53.675
Joanne Donn: Inspect it. Make sure you see it.
00:43:54.186 --> 00:43:59.040
Joanne Donn: Motorcycle-specific back protection, remember that these full-length back protectors,
00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:04.386
Joanne Donn: specific for motorcycling, are fitted and designed exclusively to wear under your suit.
00:44:04.850 --> 00:44:07.462
Joanne Donn: They are not a universal, I mean, you can use them for other things,
00:44:07.729 --> 00:44:11.290
Joanne Donn: but when they design the fit and comfort, it's with you in mind with leathers
00:44:11.290 --> 00:44:12.896
Joanne Donn: on. It's not you on a horse.
00:44:13.157 --> 00:44:16.810
Joanne Donn: It's not you hiking or whatever. It's you on your motorcycle.
00:44:16.810 --> 00:44:19.727
Joanne Donn: And that's always important with whatever gear you buy.
00:44:20.186 --> 00:44:23.639
Joanne Donn: Don't trust everything that says it's universal because it really does depend.
00:44:24.104 --> 00:44:28.221
Robin Dean: Similar banter at Higher Revs can be found via the Gear Chick website or by
00:44:28.354 --> 00:44:29.684
Robin Dean: emailing Joanne directly.
00:44:30.096 --> 00:44:36.702
Robin Dean: That email address is help at gearchick.com. That's gearchick with a C dot com.
00:44:49.367 --> 00:44:53.906
Robin Dean: Segment three. Here we go. Very different. Totally different subject. Totally different.
00:44:54.364 --> 00:44:58.767
Robin Dean: Track day prep. Let's get this thing done. I am tired of this episode already,
00:44:58.767 --> 00:44:59.844
Robin Dean: and there's so much to do.
00:45:01.975 --> 00:45:04.597
Robin Dean: So do we have a packing list? Do you have everything ready? I mean,
00:45:04.597 --> 00:45:07.600
Robin Dean: okay. I mean, canopies. Do we have canopies?
00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:08.616
Brian Wringer: I got two.
00:45:09.074 --> 00:45:11.100
Robin Dean: Massage chairs? Boomerangs?
00:45:11.472 --> 00:45:13.207
Brian Wringer: Sorry. Boomerangs? Sorry. Yeah.
00:45:13.672 --> 00:45:14.194
Joanne Donn: Snacks.
00:45:14.670 --> 00:45:17.117
Robin Dean: Yeah. Okay. We're going to need a cooler. There you go. Okay.
00:45:17.117 --> 00:45:23.127
Robin Dean: So let me let me create a temporary bullet point the packing list is so we need
00:45:23.127 --> 00:45:26.356
Robin Dean: a canopy for sure chairs cooler.
00:45:26.808 --> 00:45:28.620
Brian Wringer: Cooler and contents yeah it's
00:45:29.078 --> 00:45:35.947
Robin Dean: Not yeah cooler and contents water definitely lots of water a fan you've got
00:45:35.947 --> 00:45:41.007
Robin Dean: the right way fan right i do wheel chocks can you get a double trailer brian.
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:43.173
Brian Wringer: When you could fit on when you get your bike on
00:45:44.421 --> 00:45:45.756
Brian Wringer: I could pretty easily rent one.
00:45:46.220 --> 00:45:50.583
Robin Dean: We'll talk about that. Trailer, the chocks for the ground, because you're going
00:45:50.583 --> 00:45:53.313
Robin Dean: to need, we have to, we basically have to zip tie our side stands.
00:45:53.783 --> 00:45:56.053
Robin Dean: We need to dap the oil drain plugs.
00:45:56.505 --> 00:45:56.958
Joanne Donn: Toolkit.
00:45:57.510 --> 00:46:01.892
Brian Wringer: That's a given anywhere I go. Every organization has their own rules.
00:46:02.258 --> 00:46:08.653
Brian Wringer: And this one does not, the last one, Motovid, required you to zip tie your side
00:46:08.653 --> 00:46:11.198
Brian Wringer: stand and your center stand if you have one.
00:46:11.662 --> 00:46:15.993
Brian Wringer: This one does not mention that. So they mentioned zip tie, your passenger foot
00:46:15.993 --> 00:46:18.518
Brian Wringer: pegs in a closed position. I don't know what the hell happened.
00:46:18.977 --> 00:46:22.063
Brian Wringer: It's just interesting, these little differences in there. And the reason we're
00:46:22.063 --> 00:46:25.233
Brian Wringer: talking about back protectors is for the unit, I'm riding in a novice group.
00:46:25.233 --> 00:46:26.953
Brian Wringer: It's my first time with this organization.
00:46:27.417 --> 00:46:29.751
Brian Wringer: So I'm just going to start from zero and see what they teach me.
00:46:30.203 --> 00:46:33.743
Brian Wringer: Robin's going to be an intermediate. And intermediate, they have some requirements
00:46:33.743 --> 00:46:35.242
Brian Wringer: where you need a back protector.
00:46:35.701 --> 00:46:39.203
Brian Wringer: They're unclear. I asked for clarification. And yeah, anyway,
00:46:39.523 --> 00:46:40.478
Brian Wringer: we'll see what happens there.
00:46:40.943 --> 00:46:47.593
Brian Wringer: A really weird one was if you're in intermediate, your coolant needs to be changed
00:46:47.593 --> 00:46:49.481
Brian Wringer: out for a non-toxic coolant.
00:46:49.939 --> 00:46:53.293
Brian Wringer: So you don't need to go to, you know, the pure water wetter or anything like
00:46:53.293 --> 00:46:55.873
Brian Wringer: that, but you need to go to propylene glycol.
00:46:55.873 --> 00:46:58.733
Brian Wringer: I guess that's probably a track rule where they, you know, they don't want to,
00:46:58.733 --> 00:47:04.093
Brian Wringer: if there's an incident, they don't want to wash the toxic stuff into where the
00:47:04.093 --> 00:47:08.273
Brian Wringer: ducts are or whatever. I thought that was interesting. So we have that and ready
00:47:08.273 --> 00:47:09.467
Brian Wringer: to change it over and so forth.
00:47:09.903 --> 00:47:14.133
Brian Wringer: And the other thing that was really interesting, the oil drain and fill and
00:47:14.133 --> 00:47:18.353
Brian Wringer: filter need to have like a blob of RTV on them. I guess that's so they can tell
00:47:18.353 --> 00:47:19.510
Brian Wringer: if they're starting to loosen.
00:47:20.735 --> 00:47:21.350
Robin Dean: Just a dot.
00:47:21.814 --> 00:47:24.688
Brian Wringer: And then if you're in advance, you need to safety wire a bunch of stuff,
00:47:24.688 --> 00:47:25.721
Brian Wringer: and we're not going to worry about that.
00:47:26.180 --> 00:47:29.078
Brian Wringer: I thought that was just like all these little differences. Oh,
00:47:29.078 --> 00:47:31.967
Brian Wringer: and if you have wheel weights on, you have to duct tape over them.
00:47:32.426 --> 00:47:36.018
Brian Wringer: Motovid doesn't require, you know, so you really have to read is what I'm saying.
00:47:36.018 --> 00:47:38.368
Robin Dean: I'll be curious to see whether or not they'll allow the clip-on weights.
00:47:38.368 --> 00:47:40.918
Robin Dean: They might look at the clip-on weights and say, nope, you're going to need to
00:47:40.918 --> 00:47:43.468
Robin Dean: go with tape weights, and that's fine too. But the point is,
00:47:43.468 --> 00:47:44.588
Robin Dean: you know, I know what my weights are.
00:47:44.618 --> 00:47:48.118
Brian Wringer: Clip-on weights are fine. Just throw some gorilla tape, just throw some duct
00:47:48.118 --> 00:47:49.858
Brian Wringer: tape over the top, and they'll be fine.
00:47:49.858 --> 00:47:54.629
Robin Dean: Not Gorilla nor duct. It's usually gaffers, but you know, whatever it will hold.
00:47:55.080 --> 00:47:56.918
Brian Wringer: Oh, now we're getting snooty about tape. Okay.
00:47:57.378 --> 00:47:58.518
Robin Dean: You don't want to peel the paint
00:47:58.518 --> 00:48:01.280
Robin Dean: off the rim with like Gorilla Tape will take the, it'll bend the rim.
00:48:04.165 --> 00:48:08.676
Robin Dean: See, that brings me to the problem then is that decisions, decisions, which bike?
00:48:09.818 --> 00:48:13.648
Robin Dean: I wanted to bring Maggie's SV so that I could ride it like I stole it because
00:48:13.648 --> 00:48:15.590
Robin Dean: a borderline did, but...
00:48:16.147 --> 00:48:23.136
Robin Dean: Comfort. My bike's already paid down. I'm also a lot more competent on my bike
00:48:23.136 --> 00:48:24.239
Robin Dean: and it's got a quick shifter.
00:48:24.703 --> 00:48:29.476
Robin Dean: Lots of reasons to bring the old Gixader, but I just love, I really want to
00:48:29.476 --> 00:48:34.726
Robin Dean: open up that freaking Leo Vince exhaust, pull the silencers out and just hate
00:48:34.726 --> 00:48:37.776
Robin Dean: throttle the hell out of it all over a track I've never been on.
00:48:38.236 --> 00:48:42.107
Robin Dean: And it's a short track. It's like a go-kart track, Putnam Park.
00:48:42.565 --> 00:48:48.136
Robin Dean: It's just begging for it, but the problem is getting to you for the track day
00:48:48.136 --> 00:48:54.284
Robin Dean: prep at your house is a matter of luggage and capacity, of which I have none on her bike yet.
00:48:54.743 --> 00:48:56.856
Robin Dean: We've never gotten around to setting hers up for such things.
00:48:57.176 --> 00:49:00.612
Robin Dean: I could probably improvise something, but I'm still in the works on this.
00:49:00.844 --> 00:49:04.386
Robin Dean: Now's the time for me to stress out. This is my only free weekend for the rest
00:49:04.386 --> 00:49:06.968
Robin Dean: of the summer before heading back to New Mexico.
00:49:07.421 --> 00:49:11.043
Robin Dean: I gotta figure everything out. It's a lot. It's track day.
00:49:11.502 --> 00:49:16.496
Robin Dean: Coaching a bunch of new riders. My anniversary. Mom wants to see it.
00:49:16.496 --> 00:49:18.868
Robin Dean: It's everything. Weekend after weekend after weekend.
00:49:19.321 --> 00:49:23.556
Robin Dean: So, yeah, keep the list going there. So I hope to get to ride her bike for the
00:49:23.556 --> 00:49:26.160
Robin Dean: sake of just, you know, we shall see.
00:49:26.612 --> 00:49:28.203
Brian Wringer: Well, how does Maggie feel about this?
00:49:28.667 --> 00:49:30.746
Robin Dean: Sure, go for it. Sounds great. Have fun.
00:49:30.746 --> 00:49:32.986
Brian Wringer: You know, that's kind of what I thought.
00:49:32.986 --> 00:49:36.796
Robin Dean: Yeah, there are pictures of what I did to the Street Triple R last time.
00:49:36.796 --> 00:49:38.745
Robin Dean: Just menacing behavior.
00:49:39.203 --> 00:49:46.534
Robin Dean: Malicious intent. And worth it, I'm tempted. I'll be Captain Bump Shift the whole time.
00:49:46.987 --> 00:49:50.725
Brian Wringer: Your bike has ABS. And yeah, there are reasons both ways.
00:49:51.195 --> 00:49:55.796
Brian Wringer: Yeah, and the other challenge with this particular track day is the timing is
00:49:55.796 --> 00:49:58.637
Brian Wringer: awfully tight. You can't, you're not allowed to camp there.
00:49:59.102 --> 00:50:04.786
Brian Wringer: The gates open at 7 and the riders meeting is at 820. So there's a herd of however
00:50:04.786 --> 00:50:06.439
Brian Wringer: the hell many people riders are there.
00:50:07.914 --> 00:50:13.206
Brian Wringer: Run to the table, register, run, you know, run and figure out where to park,
00:50:13.206 --> 00:50:15.675
Brian Wringer: unload all your crap, get everything on the ground.
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:17.910
Brian Wringer: Sprint over to the writer's meeting.
00:50:18.136 --> 00:50:22.194
Robin Dean: They're all hopped up on goofballs. Look, I'm going to be doing none of that.
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.140
Robin Dean: I will be moseying everywhere. And whatever their issues are,
00:50:27.575 --> 00:50:29.334
Robin Dean: they're going to have to look at their paycheck.
00:50:29.717 --> 00:50:32.405
Robin Dean: Because if this goes the way it feels like it's going to go,
00:50:32.863 --> 00:50:37.171
Robin Dean: this will be my last MassGash event. And yes, I said their name out loud.
00:50:37.629 --> 00:50:44.524
Robin Dean: Let's see if MassGash is organized enough to organize an event that is welcoming
00:50:44.733 --> 00:50:47.880
Robin Dean: and receivable of the people who agree to attend.
00:50:48.344 --> 00:50:53.981
Robin Dean: I'm not going to stress because stress equates to foolish decisions and accidents.
00:50:54.283 --> 00:50:57.696
Robin Dean: And if they're going to impose these stresses, then they'll be my last go of it.
00:50:58.160 --> 00:51:01.127
Robin Dean: I was warned about them after I'd already experienced them. I've been there
00:51:01.127 --> 00:51:04.749
Robin Dean: many, many times. I'm really hoping it goes well. I'm excited for it.
00:51:04.952 --> 00:51:06.078
Robin Dean: I hope they have their act together.
00:51:06.537 --> 00:51:10.337
Brian Wringer: Yeah, the timing is a little tight. One of the things that occurred to me is
00:51:10.337 --> 00:51:15.337
Brian Wringer: maybe going down the day before on Saturday and getting, you know,
00:51:15.337 --> 00:51:19.377
Brian Wringer: unloading, get everything set up and then hop in the van, head back to my house,
00:51:19.377 --> 00:51:20.684
Brian Wringer: have a nice relaxing day.
00:51:21.142 --> 00:51:23.238
Robin Dean: If they say that that park allows it.
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.780
Brian Wringer: Yeah, you can leave your crap there and there's nobody there.
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:29.310
Robin Dean: Well, the trick of it is we're going on a Sunday. They're already having a Saturday event.
00:51:29.763 --> 00:51:32.677
Robin Dean: It's a two-day event. So if we pick up the second day and just have everything
00:51:32.677 --> 00:51:35.359
Robin Dean: waiting, I can't imagine why that would be an issue.
00:51:35.811 --> 00:51:41.510
Robin Dean: I will also add that for everybody listening to, this is like all personal banter about the event.
00:51:41.968 --> 00:51:47.716
Robin Dean: I want to suggest to those of you considering track days, if you begin to experience
00:51:47.861 --> 00:51:50.815
Robin Dean: the presentation of multiple providers,
00:51:51.274 --> 00:51:59.192
Robin Dean: anything they demand that you don't already do for safety only makes you safer. So it's a win-win.
00:51:59.633 --> 00:52:04.260
Robin Dean: If normally you wouldn't wear a back protector and they say you should, add it.
00:52:04.759 --> 00:52:08.323
Robin Dean: As something you do, even for the outfits that don't require it.
00:52:08.782 --> 00:52:12.098
Robin Dean: If they say you don't need to do propylene glycol coolant, well,
00:52:12.098 --> 00:52:13.106
Robin Dean: okay, maybe I wouldn't do that.
00:52:13.565 --> 00:52:16.931
Robin Dean: If they say you need to tape your wheel weights and the other guys don't,
00:52:17.268 --> 00:52:18.447
Robin Dean: go ahead and tape your wheel weights.
00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:22.452
Robin Dean: If they say you need to zip tie your side stand and center stands and the other
00:52:22.673 --> 00:52:25.976
Robin Dean: outfit doesn't, go ahead and zip tie and set up your center stand.
00:52:26.423 --> 00:52:30.368
Robin Dean: Basically anything you can add, create your own list and anything that's not
00:52:30.368 --> 00:52:32.361
Robin Dean: on it at it you get the point,
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:37.448
Robin Dean: safer is gooder this is going to be more time spent just getting things ready
00:52:37.448 --> 00:52:42.488
Robin Dean: that it's like yeah okay but the whole hubbub of them saying like oh you think
00:52:42.488 --> 00:52:45.560
Robin Dean: you're ready for our track day well we'll show you who's ready for our track day it's like.
00:52:50.036 --> 00:52:53.862
Brian Wringer: The schedule seems super tight. If everything flows, it's fine.
00:52:54.315 --> 00:52:57.881
Brian Wringer: That all seems very odd to me. We'll definitely consider going down the day
00:52:57.881 --> 00:52:59.301
Brian Wringer: before, dropping off our stuff.
00:53:00.161 --> 00:53:03.655
Brian Wringer: Like I said, I'm riding a novice, and really none of these really apply to me.
00:53:04.114 --> 00:53:07.711
Brian Wringer: Yeah, I'm just going to ride a novice and see what they have to say and see
00:53:07.711 --> 00:53:10.865
Brian Wringer: how it all works, what the vibe is, what their processes are.
00:53:11.323 --> 00:53:14.801
Brian Wringer: Not too concerned if I get trapped behind slow skis.
00:53:15.259 --> 00:53:18.771
Robin Dean: With that, I've got to round this down so I can handle the production effort.
00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:20.965
Robin Dean: Brian, tell me, what are we talking about next time?
00:53:21.412 --> 00:53:24.231
Brian Wringer: So we are going to be talking about, I think it's going to be a continuing segment
00:53:24.231 --> 00:53:28.961
Brian Wringer: where we talk about the new apps and new ideas and the mapping apps and maps
00:53:28.961 --> 00:53:32.047
Brian Wringer: and so forth. I think it needs to be a recurring segment and so forth.
00:53:32.326 --> 00:53:35.610
Robin Dean: At least one a week, five minutes, 10 minutes, one a week, we can do it.
00:53:36.069 --> 00:53:39.929
Brian Wringer: And I think we could get back to that topic of, can you stand it,
00:53:40.266 --> 00:53:44.039
Brian Wringer: suffering, put up with it or fix it? Something like that.
00:53:44.503 --> 00:53:48.480
Brian Wringer: You know, and it's something Joanne says, well, you're just going to have to be uncomfortable.
00:53:48.938 --> 00:53:51.971
Brian Wringer: And sometimes you got to deal with it. And then sometimes, yeah,
00:53:51.971 --> 00:53:53.588
Brian Wringer: maybe there's something you can do about it.
00:53:54.041 --> 00:53:57.449
Brian Wringer: You know, so we can talk about that line and where that stands.
00:53:57.913 --> 00:54:01.036
Brian Wringer: You know, do you keep writing when your fingers are going numb?
00:54:01.460 --> 00:54:03.555
Brian Wringer: Or do you do something about it? What do you do about it?
00:54:04.014 --> 00:54:06.481
Brian Wringer: Or when it starts to rain, do you care?
00:54:06.901 --> 00:54:07.561
Joanne Donn: Safety.
00:54:08.019 --> 00:54:08.687
Brian Wringer: We're so awful.
00:54:09.146 --> 00:54:11.415
Joanne Donn: That's why women have a longer life expectancy.
00:54:11.862 --> 00:54:12.731
Brian Wringer: Oh, absolutely.
00:54:12.731 --> 00:54:15.026
Robin Dean: Oh, yeah. It's certainly nothing that you impose on us.
00:54:15.485 --> 00:54:19.333
Joanne Donn: Everything you just described is marriage. Well, you compromise.
00:54:19.467 --> 00:54:23.481
Joanne Donn: Well, maybe you don't. Just do it. Just do what we say. That's my advice.
00:54:24.481 --> 00:54:25.150
Brian Wringer: Do what we say.
00:54:25.609 --> 00:54:26.015
Joanne Donn: Mm-hmm.
00:54:26.832 --> 00:54:27.645
Brian Wringer: It's going to be a good time.
00:54:28.098 --> 00:54:29.746
Robin Dean: So you want to talk about what?
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.587
Brian Wringer: Let's talk about suffering. When to suffer and when to not suffer.
00:54:35.045 --> 00:54:36.671
Joanne Donn: How about our experiences suffering?
00:54:37.094 --> 00:54:38.627
Brian Wringer: Experiences and suffering.
00:54:38.906 --> 00:54:39.770
Joanne Donn: Got a lot of those.
00:54:40.235 --> 00:54:41.942
Brian Wringer: When is it worth it? When is it not worth it?
00:54:42.962 --> 00:54:45.472
Robin Dean: When we're keeping things positive for the training courses,
00:54:45.472 --> 00:54:46.974
Robin Dean: we do not tell war stories.
00:54:47.433 --> 00:54:51.497
Robin Dean: But this is not a training course. So one war story per person.
00:54:52.862 --> 00:54:53.888
Joanne Donn: Okay, fine. Just one.
00:54:54.335 --> 00:54:58.312
Robin Dean: The will to suffer. When you decide, yeah, I feel more good than harm,
00:54:58.312 --> 00:54:59.333
Robin Dean: I'm going to continue on.
00:54:59.780 --> 00:55:01.812
Brian Wringer: It's 17 below. What's the worst that could happen?
00:55:02.271 --> 00:55:03.524
Robin Dean: Is everybody ready to get out of here?
00:55:03.884 --> 00:55:04.163
Joanne Donn: Yes.
00:55:04.627 --> 00:55:05.243
Brian Wringer: We are ready.