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Brian Wringer: Got myself a gin and tonic. I'm ready.
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Robin Dean: I've got a nice glass of the finest wine that can be put into a cardboard box.
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Brian Wringer: All right. In this episode, we navigate caveman style like your grandpa used to.
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Brian Wringer: Then we're going to walk on down to Electric Avenue and ponder the existential
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Brian Wringer: question, what is a motorcycle anyway? And...
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Brian Wringer: We think about what are the gateway drugs to motorized two-wheeled bliss.
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Robin Dean: Opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter.
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Robin Dean: First off, random song of the minute. This round, it's The Lizard Dome by Dang.
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Robin Dean: I love this tune. It's like lo-fi hip-hop, borderline trip-hop.
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Robin Dean: If you want to hear the song, visit radio.tro.bike in your web browser,
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Robin Dean: and that will take you to our playlist. But check it out. Great groove.
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Robin Dean: Also, the Cyborg Says portion of our motorcycle weather forecast is now free to all visitors.
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Robin Dean: What? Originally, I had it set up to where members would have to insert their
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Robin Dean: own API key to whatever AI model I wanted them to have access to.
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Robin Dean: And then I decided, no, let's not do that. We're using openrider.com forward
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Robin Dean: slash free, which is anything that happens to be of interest to foreign nations about how we prompt AI.
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Robin Dean: But yeah, it's basically a free option, and it delivers information about your
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Robin Dean: location in a dialogue that is reminiscent of your locals.
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Robin Dean: Some of my favorite features, actually, because it talks to me.
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Robin Dean: Wherever I'm at, if I'm in Texas, you get Yeehaw.
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Robin Dean: And if I'm in Ohio, you get, well, Yeehaw. I'm in Indiana now,
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Robin Dean: so I get something completely different. I get, actually, it's Yeehaw. Anyhow.
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Brian Wringer: I think I'm in Smith County, United States. I don't even know where that is.
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Robin Dean: Just type in Indianapolis. Also, corrections. Having just finished reading The
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Robin Dean: Burrito, named for my neighbor's father's motorcycle, I had the start and end points wrong.
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Robin Dean: He rode from central Mexico to Washington State for his daughter's wedding.
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Robin Dean: I'm working on getting an interview with the man, so stay tuned for that.
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Robin Dean: Trust me, that's, I just finished, it's a special journal. It's quite something. It really spoke to me.
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Brian Wringer: Very cool. All right, in the news. dee dee dee
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Robin Dean: Dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee.
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Brian Wringer: Dee dee okay the trail tech voyager pro 4 tracks the whole group without cell service
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Robin Dean: Huh.
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Brian Wringer: So for $800, Voyager Pro 4 combines offline mapping, vehicle data,
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Brian Wringer: and ride logging in an IP67, that's water-resistant, waterproof.
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Robin Dean: And dust.
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Brian Wringer: With a 4.3-inch, 1,000-nit screen. That's so many nits.
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Robin Dean: All of the nits.
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Brian Wringer: The headline here is that the Buddy Tracking Network does some radio sort of
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Brian Wringer: magic, shows up to 20 riders without any need for cell service,
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Brian Wringer: keeps REDCOM trails, and it can navigate directly to a separated rider.
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Brian Wringer: Wow. Basically, everybody puts these things on their bikes and then everybody
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Brian Wringer: in the group knows where everybody else is.
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Brian Wringer: This is some like ninja video game infiltration stuff, isn't it?
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Robin Dean: Yeah. I guess it's got to be some kind of a cross network thing.
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Brian Wringer: So it says typical range is listed at half to 1.5 miles, depending on terrain,
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Brian Wringer: line of sight, et cetera.
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Brian Wringer: Pretty neat. I mean, $800 is not pocket change, but, you know,
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Brian Wringer: it could help reduce those, oh, hey, where did Fred go? You know,
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Brian Wringer: he missed a turn, figuring out where he went.
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Brian Wringer: And, yeah, that's the part that's interesting, that little private network you
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Brian Wringer: have as you go and the ability to get to that person.
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Robin Dean: Basically a mesh network. It's like all-wheel drive in a car.
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Robin Dean: You give the most power to the wheel that has the most traction.
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Robin Dean: So whoever has the best network bridge to the person they're trying to find,
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Robin Dean: everybody else is using that it'll probably shift and shimmy around so it's
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Robin Dean: an amoeba of data that can help,
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Robin Dean: figure out who's where for what reason. Opposite that, there's a nine kilo camp
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Robin Dean: bed that argues sleep is safety gear.
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Robin Dean: This comes from mcnews.au.
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Robin Dean: The Kalkine Premium Biker Swag rolls to about 60 by 30 centimeters with light
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Robin Dean: bedding inside, weighs roughly nine kilograms loaded, and opens into a 215 by
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Robin Dean: 95 centimeter shelter with a hybrid air and foam mattress.
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Robin Dean: It's quick to build and genuinely roomy, but puts all that weight into one large package.
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Robin Dean: The reviewed price is Australian $459.
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Brian Wringer: The dollary dues, as they say.
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Robin Dean: Ultralight camping gets all the glory until a bad night's sleep turns the next
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Robin Dean: day's ride into a concentration test.
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Robin Dean: This thing is not small or light, but it makes a fair argument that comfort,
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Robin Dean: fast setup, and arriving rested can matter more than winning the luggage scale Olympics.
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Robin Dean: I love the fact that they put this on the back of an adventure bike,
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Robin Dean: and it's the only thing that could fit on the back seat of the adventure bike.
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Robin Dean: Okay, that's my house. It's everything.
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Brian Wringer: That's some Bugs Bunny stuff right there, yeah. And just in case anybody's in
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Brian Wringer: the U.S. here, I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: That's about $320 in American dollars. It is about 20 pounds in freedom pounds,
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Brian Wringer: in case anybody wondered.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, it's still a pretty big sandwich to carry around, but the idea,
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Brian Wringer: yeah, you could just throw it out there and pull the ripcord or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know how it works.
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Robin Dean: It looks like an old-school 80s sleeping bag for a kid's summer camp. That thing is massive.
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Robin Dean: Speaking of 200,000 miles on one bike and one seat cushion.
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Brian Wringer: So long-distance rider Patrick Cornell put more than 200,000 miles on a 2025.
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Brian Wringer: That's a 2025 Indian pursuit in one year with minimal issues.
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Robin Dean: Look at this guy.
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Brian Wringer: What's he doing? He doesn't sleep. He doesn't eat. He doesn't work. He rides.
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Brian Wringer: So 200,000 miles on a 2025 Indian pursuit in one year with minimal issues.
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Brian Wringer: Four Guinness records are still awaiting certification, including most miles
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Brian Wringer: ridden on a motorcycle in one year and most consecutive 1,000-mile days.
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Brian Wringer: The bike carried navigation, auxiliary fuel, communications,
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Brian Wringer: lighting, and dun-dun-dun, a wild-ass Smart Classic cushion.
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Brian Wringer: The wild-ass seat cushion is the star of this show here, apparently.
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Brian Wringer: Obviously, 200,000 miles on anything, let alone a seat cushion,
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Brian Wringer: is an amazing durability.
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Brian Wringer: You know i don't know the condition of this guy's ass or anything but that was
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Brian Wringer: that's an amazing thing and it's an amazing piece of equipment apparently so
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Brian Wringer: there's a line here that i love
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Brian Wringer: forget the trophy for a minute and ask what really kept bike and rider functioning
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Brian Wringer: seat pressure management well of course i always think about my seat pressure
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Brian Wringer: fuel strategy lighting maintenance rhythm weather discipline and the ability
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Brian Wringer: to climb back on tomorrow i mean i got to hand it to this Patrick Cornell guy
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Brian Wringer: and the, apparently the seat cushion that made it all possible.
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Brian Wringer: Everybody should run out and we're not even sponsored, but everybody should
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Brian Wringer: go buy a wild ass seat cushion.
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Robin Dean: Absolutely.
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Brian Wringer: I like how we have a formal category for banter. Robin, what you been up to?
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Robin Dean: We've got a lot to talk about, so I'll slam through this as quick as I can.
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Robin Dean: Maggie's SV650 is squared away. My bike as well with some plans for continued
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Robin Dean: hang time in the ringer garage.
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Robin Dean: Thank you for the moto help. I know I've got my fork seals on my way to your
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Robin Dean: place, as well as a cap for the radiator on the SV, because I don't know what happened there.
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Robin Dean: But the thing is, having gotten the above done, plus having bought those Tecton
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Robin Dean: torque wrenches you recommended, I found enough momentum to start tuning the
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Robin Dean: rig, meaning our full-time RV home. So the suspension U-bolts needed to be 100 foot pounds.
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Robin Dean: Basically, I torqued those. I torqued all the wet bolts. I torqued all the lug
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Robin Dean: nuts on the cross-member stabilizers that basically stopped the frame from flexing so dang much.
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Robin Dean: And in all of this, I realized one thing when I was about to do the actual U-bolts.
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Robin Dean: Let's say you have a torque spec. Could be anything. Mine isn't an example.
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Robin Dean: You have two torque wrenches. One goes up to that spec, the max setting on that wrench.
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Robin Dean: The other, larger, carries that same spec towards the lower middle range.
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Robin Dean: Which one do you use? Why?
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Robin Dean: Moreover, when is it worth not busting out the X-Acto crank?
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Robin Dean: I wanted you to answer this solo.
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Brian Wringer: We could go on and on and on some more, but I won't.
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Brian Wringer: Generally, you want to try to use torque wrenches more toward the middle of their torque range.
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Brian Wringer: So if you need 100 foot-pounds and the top of the torque range for your 3-8
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Brian Wringer: drive wrench is 100 foot-pounds, then I would hop over to the half-inch drive
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Brian Wringer: torque wrench where 100 foot-pounds is somewhere in the lower third of its range.
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Brian Wringer: They can get a little less accurate at one end or another. It's not a lot.
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Robin Dean: I would argue that they're probably more accurate on their top end than they
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Robin Dean: are on the bottom. Like the lower the number, the less accurate they become
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Robin Dean: because they're just sort of flabberty flanging.
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Robin Dean: They're getting it right, but it's still kind of like, you know.
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Brian Wringer: It's still pretty close on a good quality wrench. But yeah, if you have the option, why not?
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Brian Wringer: The other thing is just it's 100 foot pounds takes a pretty good yank.
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Brian Wringer: So you might as well use the one that's a little longer and make that a little easier on yourself.
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Robin Dean: Oh, yeah. My shoulders are pissed. I was doing this on my back underneath the rig. Good grief.
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Robin Dean: Bang my head three or four times. I also bang my head three or four times.
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Robin Dean: Luckily, I'm not repeating myself because I didn't bang my head three or four
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Robin Dean: times. It's just three or four times.
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Brian Wringer: Your head looks intact from here.
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Robin Dean: It's the blood. What's good in Brian land?
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Brian Wringer: Well, like you said, you were
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Brian Wringer: in the garage in the palatial confines of the laboratory.
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Brian Wringer: With maggie's bike and i i just found it really fun to have just a chill day
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Brian Wringer: of doing some really straightforward work just hanging out
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Brian Wringer: learning a little bit about this really cool bike like i've worked on a ton
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Brian Wringer: of vstroms but for some reason i haven't really worked on an sv650 before
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Brian Wringer: interesting to me to see what is different and what has changed and so forth
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Brian Wringer: so we worked on bikes enough next time we're gonna ride all right
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Robin Dean: I guess if you're twisting my arm about it, I'll see you.
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Brian Wringer: Ow, ow. You're only living in the middle of, you know, road paradise.
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Brian Wringer: There's some goat paths down there. Now, Robin's the guy who recommends all
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Brian Wringer: the cool music because he's a cool music dude. You know, you just look at this
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Brian Wringer: guy and you're like, that's a cool music dude.
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Brian Wringer: If you need to calm the hell down and the world is getting to you and you just
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Brian Wringer: want to hear a calm, friendly voice and decompress, I will recommend the ClickSpring
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Brian Wringer: YouTube channel. ClickSpring.
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Brian Wringer: It's a part that's in a clock this guy makes like he makes clocks from scratch
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Brian Wringer: he makes all these intricate mechanisms and master machinists
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Brian Wringer: Guy from australia nice friendly voice hearing so anyway his latest video is
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Brian Wringer: talks about guillochay and it's a machine that makes these intricate patterns on metal
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Brian Wringer: while he's doing this video he's talking you know he's talking about
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Brian Wringer: building making doing bringing light into the world and making the world a better
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Brian Wringer: place and that's you know, that's kind of like you keep accusing me of being
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Brian Wringer: generous with my time in the garage and stuff like that.
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Brian Wringer: And it's really, you know, it's really about making the world a better place.
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Brian Wringer: It's really about let's take chaos and make order out of it.
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Brian Wringer: Let's bring light into the world. Let's make something better.
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Brian Wringer: Let's use our hands. Let's learn something.
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Brian Wringer: And I can really get into that kind of thing. So anyway, look up ClickSpring on YouTube.
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Brian Wringer: Just really interesting stuff, even if you don't really care about clocks or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: Next up, it's time for question of the week or questions of the week,
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Brian Wringer: depending on what we feel like doing.
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Brian Wringer: If you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser to send us a message.
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Brian Wringer: I really, there's no attribution. I've seen this question a million times in
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Brian Wringer: a million different ways, and we both have. And it's kind of one that
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Brian Wringer: riders new and old come up with so let's talk about it then the question is
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Brian Wringer: when should i take my bike to a dealer or shop and when should i do it myself
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Brian Wringer: To get the obvious thing out of the way if your bike is new and has a warranty then for most things you
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Brian Wringer: probably should there's probably you're probably required to take it back to
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Brian Wringer: the dealer or you're heavily encouraged to for certain things now i've never
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Brian Wringer: bought a new bike i've seen people buy new bikes i believe you have bought a new bike in the past.
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Brian Wringer: Bought a new car. But yeah, at least like the first oil check and just when
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Brian Wringer: they go around and check everything on the bike, do a kind of a deep inspection.
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Brian Wringer: That's a good idea to do it to dealer if there's one around.
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Brian Wringer: But, you know, other than that, I don't know what you're required to do.
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Brian Wringer: You know, if you can do all the oil changes and so forth, I don't think there's
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Brian Wringer: anything preventing you from doing that on a new vehicle.
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Brian Wringer: And of course, obviously, if the bike has a problem that should be solved under
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Brian Wringer: warranty, then that's where you need to go. What's your take on it.
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Robin Dean: The warranty is just the tip of the iceberg, but the fact remains that what
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Robin Dean: pushes me away from ever taking my bike to a dealership is that,
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Robin Dean: A, I like to do my own work, and B.
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Robin Dean: I can only picture the lowest common denominator of a mechanic working on the bike.
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Robin Dean: Imagine when you meet great mechanics, and this has happened to me,
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Robin Dean: where I've gotten to know them, I realize that they are professionals who work
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Robin Dean: at a dealership, they are trained, they are certified, and they know what they're doing.
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Robin Dean: It's a personal quip with me that it has to happen that way,
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Robin Dean: else I'm not taking it there.
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Robin Dean: The place I bought my bike, I would never take it back there.
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Robin Dean: For example, when you went to get the fork oil for my bike and they questioned
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Robin Dean: why I was doing it to a 25, and it's because it's got 20,000 miles on it because
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Robin Dean: I'm riding my ass off, It wasn't a question that they should have asked.
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Robin Dean: And that tells me that there's already going to be some friction in the communication.
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Robin Dean: I guess the truth is, is that if you simply don't wrench, then it's time to
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Robin Dean: take your bike to a dealership whenever it's time for any form of service.
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Robin Dean: But you should know, understand, and be able to decrypt the priorities of the
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Robin Dean: mechanic who is in that service department who will be working on your bike.
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Robin Dean: Don't just blindly say, well, it said Suzuki on it.
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Robin Dean: So I figure they must know because there are stories that we don't have time
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Robin Dean: for about how bad that could go.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, ask around.
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Robin Dean: Read the reviews is one thing. Ask fellow riders who know their noise is another.
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Robin Dean: And if you ask fellow riders who know other riders and know other riders,
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Robin Dean: and some of them happen to be mechanics, and they know their stuff,
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Robin Dean: well, where do they work?
00:16:31.598 --> 00:16:33.484
Robin Dean: Go find that out, and then you got something better going for you.
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Brian Wringer: And I will say that I think motorcycle or power sports in general,
00:16:38.116 --> 00:16:41.111
Brian Wringer: motorcycle dealers are a little different than, like, you know,
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Brian Wringer: your Chevy dealer or your Ford dealer.
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Robin Dean: A lot more kind of sorta in there.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, yes, I've gotten bad work at a car brand dealer before.
00:16:49.726 --> 00:16:51.572
Brian Wringer: Morons couldn't even do an oil change.
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Brian Wringer: Motorcycle dealerships in a lot of the U.S.
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Brian Wringer: It tends to be very seasonal work. So a lot of times you don't get the best
00:16:59.821 --> 00:17:04.371
Brian Wringer: and the brightest. And the best and the brightest are oftentimes over at the
00:17:04.371 --> 00:17:06.537
Brian Wringer: heavy equipment dealer where they can make the most money.
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Brian Wringer: You know, if it's about money and a career and feeding your children,
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Brian Wringer: that's just kind of an unfortunate reality. I mean, a lot of these shops are
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Brian Wringer: doing a lot to retain people with year-round work, with snowmobiles,
00:17:18.791 --> 00:17:20.719
Brian Wringer: ATVs, UTVs, things like that.
00:17:21.955 --> 00:17:24.039
Brian Wringer: The reality is you're not going to get people have a lot of,
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Brian Wringer: unless they have a lot of passion.
00:17:26.303 --> 00:17:31.752
Brian Wringer: And sometimes that doesn't always intersect with the talent that is needed.
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Robin Dean: Not everybody cares.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, I think you have to pay more attention to it with motorcycle dealers and
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Brian Wringer: shops than you would with, you know, like there's a, there's a car shop down
00:17:41.659 --> 00:17:46.979
Brian Wringer: the street and I'm sure they could handle an oil change on my Toyota for my bikes.
00:17:46.979 --> 00:17:52.064
Brian Wringer: I don't trust anybody, frankly, but there's a few that I'd go to if I had to. But that's just me.
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Brian Wringer: Obviously, there's a whole category. Like if you just don't have the equipment,
00:17:56.009 --> 00:17:59.715
Brian Wringer: you don't have the space, you're going to get fined by your apartment complex.
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Brian Wringer: If you change oil in the sidewalk, you know, there's a lot of this stuff that
00:18:03.989 --> 00:18:06.930
Brian Wringer: you just it's just not practical. And so you have to go somewhere else.
00:18:07.383 --> 00:18:10.159
Brian Wringer: One of the related things that we've heard, like, for example,
00:18:10.159 --> 00:18:11.296
Brian Wringer: we were talking to Jasmine.
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Brian Wringer: She lives in New York City and they've got great shops.
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Brian Wringer: She takes the bike to the shop because, A, they don't have the space to do it
00:18:18.569 --> 00:18:21.803
Brian Wringer: themselves. And B, it's a big city. It's dense.
00:18:22.255 --> 00:18:26.888
Brian Wringer: If you're not really good, you don't survive there. And so she's got shops that she can trust there.
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Brian Wringer: That's another thing. In a big city, a lot of times you can find,
00:18:30.492 --> 00:18:35.059
Brian Wringer: you have more options and, you know, the ones that aren't able to do a good
00:18:35.059 --> 00:18:36.899
Brian Wringer: job get run out of town pretty quick.
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Robin Dean: You ain't got no business if the customers ain't returning. Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I'll say, like, community is really important. I've taught a lot of people how
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Brian Wringer: to do a lot of things on their motorcycles.
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Brian Wringer: Sometimes what they learn is,
00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.021
Brian Wringer: like with tire changes, I've taught a lot of people how to change tires.
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Brian Wringer: And what most people learn is that they don't want to do that,
00:18:55.376 --> 00:18:59.039
Brian Wringer: but they at least know what's involved. They can handle something in an emergency.
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Brian Wringer: They would know how to talk.
00:19:00.322 --> 00:19:03.498
Brian Wringer: They would know something about it. They've gained from the experience.
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Brian Wringer: And so I think learning hands-on, in-person with someone there that kind of
00:19:07.439 --> 00:19:10.028
Brian Wringer: does know what they're doing is pretty important.
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Brian Wringer: You can get a lot from YouTube, but it's really difficult to get everything right.
00:19:14.736 --> 00:19:18.629
Brian Wringer: And plus, the guy on YouTube may be a complete moron. Like, if he's wearing
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Brian Wringer: sunglasses the whole time, and he's got a screwdriver and a claw hammer,
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Robin Dean: Pickup truck, sunglasses, he's going to tell you the truth about COVID.
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Brian Wringer: The angry goatee guy with sunglasses on in the garage. Maybe not.
00:19:31.488 --> 00:19:35.599
Brian Wringer: And this is a true story. Maybe don't let the guy named Shaky try to rebuild
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Brian Wringer: your carburetors in a dirt floor carport. Just saying.
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Brian Wringer: Good shop is not going to be cheap and they're going to be busy.
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Brian Wringer: So it's going to take a while.
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Brian Wringer: You know, once you find a good shop, you have to keep going back,
00:19:47.619 --> 00:19:51.099
Brian Wringer: be a repeat customer. You get extra care. You can get in there,
00:19:51.099 --> 00:19:55.469
Brian Wringer: but you just have to understand there's a lot of riders out there who found
00:19:55.469 --> 00:19:57.947
Brian Wringer: that good shop and they're going to keep them real busy.
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Robin Dean: See you right for the next one.
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Brian Wringer: Let's hit it.
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Robin Dean: Are rear-opening occipital helmets safer engineering or just a complicated gimmick?
00:20:07.172 --> 00:20:10.365
Robin Dean: A rider found helmets that opened from the rear and saw conflicting claims.
00:20:10.690 --> 00:20:14.274
Robin Dean: Moving parts might create new failure points, but easier post-crash removal
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Robin Dean: might reduce neck movement.
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Robin Dean: Without trusting TikTok engineering, what evidence, certifications,
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Robin Dean: and design details would you need before choosing one over a conventional full-face
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Robin Dean: helmet? Here are the details I require.
00:20:26.153 --> 00:20:31.074
Robin Dean: I require that it meet my needs based on the current helmet standard in terms
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Robin Dean: of weight, protection, general usefulness.
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Robin Dean: You know, like I've got a comm attached to my head, you know,
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Robin Dean: on my helmet on the left-hand side. Is that going to get in the way of it being
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Robin Dean: opened? Is it going to be weird?
00:20:44.497 --> 00:20:50.372
Robin Dean: Things like that. But honestly, it comes down to the label. Does it pass the Snell rating test?
00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:53.065
Robin Dean: And certainly it has to have a DOT sticker.
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Robin Dean: So all of the most standardized things and then some then there's a matter of
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Robin Dean: price just because you have a new feature that simplifies things does not mean
00:21:04.461 --> 00:21:06.196
Robin Dean: oh now we can up the price and,
00:21:06.661 --> 00:21:11.724
Robin Dean: treat inflation with the respect it deserves no it's like it has to be a helmet
00:21:11.724 --> 00:21:16.504
Robin Dean: that all of a sudden is just better and aligns with the accessible pricing that
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Robin Dean: most of us need that's my take brian what do you got.
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Brian Wringer: We'll have to see what happens with the safety certifications and also whether
00:21:22.414 --> 00:21:25.172
Brian Wringer: any tracks anywhere will let them on the track.
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Brian Wringer: The one I'm looking at, the Roof Jägger, Jägger, Jägger?
00:21:30.267 --> 00:21:32.560
Brian Wringer: Anyway, the one I'm looking at doesn't have a chin strap.
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Robin Dean: And for this, the Jagermeister, and the cheaper version is the Malort.
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Brian Wringer: So you open the hatch on the back of the helmet, you stick your head in,
00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:44.848
Brian Wringer: and then you slam it shut around your head. So the chin strap missing is,
00:21:45.208 --> 00:21:47.177
Brian Wringer: I think that's kind of a problem.
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Brian Wringer: People very, very, very, very commonly tend to buy a helmet that's too large
00:21:52.855 --> 00:21:55.351
Brian Wringer: because it's more comfortable when you're walking around in the store.
00:21:55.815 --> 00:21:58.456
Brian Wringer: Everybody does that their first several helmets. They're way too big.
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Brian Wringer: And so if this thing doesn't clamp on your head correctly or if it's a little
00:22:03.498 --> 00:22:07.303
Brian Wringer: bit off then you're going to have a problem because there's no chin strap i really don't
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Brian Wringer: i don't like that feature at all they do sidestep one of the things that you
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Brian Wringer: see on modular helmets which is there's a giant hinge mechanism at the side of your
00:22:17.206 --> 00:22:22.138
Brian Wringer: skull like underneath the shell looks the same but there's no eps right at your
00:22:22.138 --> 00:22:24.954
Brian Wringer: temples which is the thinnest part of your skull
00:22:25.412 --> 00:22:28.658
Brian Wringer: and that's something a lot of people don't really consider when they look at a modular helmet.
00:22:28.658 --> 00:22:30.979
Brian Wringer: They're like, oh, it's a full face that flips open. Well, it's not.
00:22:31.432 --> 00:22:38.050
Brian Wringer: It's a beanie and it's got a giant plastic mechanism inside the shell to make it rotate.
00:22:38.509 --> 00:22:42.798
Brian Wringer: And that transmits force directly if you land on the side of your head, which is not uncommon.
00:22:43.257 --> 00:22:46.932
Brian Wringer: This one here, all the mechanism is kind of down more in the collar region.
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Brian Wringer: It does tend to have more track and mechanism. So it'd be really interesting
00:22:50.498 --> 00:22:55.233
Brian Wringer: to see how the construction works and whether that does create a similar danger.
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.751
Brian Wringer: And also, I think I think this is definitely going to be heavier.
00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:02.426
Brian Wringer: And so whether you want more weight on your head, twisting it off, I don't know.
00:23:02.890 --> 00:23:05.513
Brian Wringer: You know, for us, the big thing is if it's not allowed on the track,
00:23:05.513 --> 00:23:08.881
Brian Wringer: then I ain't buying it. And that's going to be a long time, I think.
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Robin Dean: This may have had some EMT input or hospital input about problems they've seen,
00:23:15.870 --> 00:23:17.316
Robin Dean: with certain incidents.
00:23:17.792 --> 00:23:23.956
Robin Dean: If this alleviates that by saying, hey, we're the ones who requested this structure, that's a plus.
00:23:24.298 --> 00:23:27.893
Robin Dean: It could go in any direction, but you got to be able to hold still long enough
00:23:27.893 --> 00:23:29.993
Robin Dean: to see where it wants to meander.
00:23:30.451 --> 00:23:34.423
Robin Dean: Maybe it's for the better. Maybe it's going to be not adaptable because it's
00:23:34.423 --> 00:23:38.763
Robin Dean: going to be, now we can charge $1,500. But Brian's already nailed all the points
00:23:38.763 --> 00:23:39.704
Robin Dean: that I couldn't even look up.
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Brian Wringer: And speaking of helmet removal, helmets in an emergency, you know,
00:23:44.843 --> 00:23:47.727
Brian Wringer: a current helmet, they cut the strap, they take it off.
00:23:48.191 --> 00:23:51.506
Brian Wringer: This helmet here, you've got a complicated mechanism that might be all smashed up.
00:23:51.970 --> 00:23:54.953
Brian Wringer: How's it going to come off if if you know if this thing's clamped on your head
00:23:54.953 --> 00:23:59.593
Brian Wringer: and and you're in the ditch and and they get you there and they need to take
00:23:59.593 --> 00:24:03.343
Brian Wringer: it off of you in order to do brain surgery that's going to get real complicated
00:24:03.343 --> 00:24:05.943
Brian Wringer: i guess they'll have to cut it off or something like that i'm not
00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.677
Brian Wringer: i'm not sure how much of a factor that is yeah
00:24:09.136 --> 00:24:13.739
Robin Dean: Maybe there's a nylon tug or something of that nature that's supposed to release everything.
00:24:14.198 --> 00:24:17.043
Brian Wringer: Yeah somehow let's have the release for the padding and then the thing just
00:24:17.043 --> 00:24:21.586
Brian Wringer: really comes off easy which is a nice feature so yeah First time I crashed,
00:24:22.051 --> 00:24:25.191
Brian Wringer: I took my helmet off for that reason because I didn't want to wear it for the next two hours.
00:24:25.656 --> 00:24:30.561
Brian Wringer: Second time, I had to wear it for two hours because they got to me too quick.
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Robin Dean: Next one we got, what replaces a high-mileage K1200S when you still want super
00:24:36.013 --> 00:24:37.840
Robin Dean: bikes shove and four-hour comfort?
00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:43.872
Robin Dean: Basically, a six-foot rider's high-mileage BMW K1200S is becoming expensive to keep alive.
00:24:44.139 --> 00:24:46.995
Robin Dean: I can relate to this. The R1200RS for me was...
00:24:47.465 --> 00:24:52.522
Robin Dean: I loved it so much, but I could feel like, yeah, you know, 117,000 is big numbers.
00:24:52.522 --> 00:24:55.331
Robin Dean: It's time, you know? Sometimes it's just time, you know?
00:24:55.789 --> 00:25:00.622
Robin Dean: He wants a bike up to 10 years old that can handle several four-hour trips each
00:25:00.622 --> 00:25:02.331
Robin Dean: year without giving up the K-bike's power.
00:25:02.778 --> 00:25:07.707
Robin Dean: Is the right answer a true sport tourer or an upright hyperbike tall rounder,
00:25:08.165 --> 00:25:12.264
Robin Dean: like the S1000XR or a sport bike modified around his body?
00:25:12.717 --> 00:25:17.059
Robin Dean: Now, we kind of talked about this last episode where you could go in either direction.
00:25:17.499 --> 00:25:21.638
Robin Dean: If you want the details on that, the basic arrival points we landed on,
00:25:22.096 --> 00:25:26.374
Robin Dean: either go up in height with lower pegs for more ergonomic comfort,
00:25:26.763 --> 00:25:31.382
Robin Dean: or you can adapt your sport bike to just suit the fact that you really want
00:25:31.382 --> 00:25:33.497
Robin Dean: to keep the sport bike profile.
00:25:33.927 --> 00:25:37.272
Robin Dean: Option A, option B, either way, be happy.
00:25:37.272 --> 00:25:41.421
Robin Dean: But if I was going to condense this to a single linear method,
00:25:41.874 --> 00:25:47.492
Robin Dean: I'm going to say, go sit on a lot of bikes and determine your own ergos,
00:25:47.492 --> 00:25:49.879
Robin Dean: figure out what's going to feel exactly right for you.
00:25:50.343 --> 00:25:53.152
Robin Dean: And if it's superficial beyond that, where you're like, yeah,
00:25:53.152 --> 00:25:56.491
Robin Dean: that's cool and stuff, but I really want to find something that's more sleek.
00:25:56.868 --> 00:26:00.282
Robin Dean: Well, then you might have to adapt. And as Joanne would say,
00:26:00.282 --> 00:26:03.468
Robin Dean: if she were here, which she will be soon, she'd say you're going to have to compromise.
00:26:03.933 --> 00:26:07.542
Robin Dean: Finding your way to the bike you really want is a combination of knowing exactly
00:26:07.542 --> 00:26:12.605
Robin Dean: what's comfortable for you and what you're willing to compromise or modify to suit.
00:26:12.855 --> 00:26:15.992
Robin Dean: I will say, if you get into something like the Super Duke GT.
00:26:16.755 --> 00:26:27.000
Robin Dean: I mean, I've never seen a taller bike go so far out of its way to look that good and be that sleek.
00:26:27.464 --> 00:26:31.244
Robin Dean: It is a tall machine that somehow looks like it's lower.
00:26:31.702 --> 00:26:36.712
Robin Dean: Such a beautiful bike. We have a good friend who is basically built like a piece
00:26:36.712 --> 00:26:39.795
Robin Dean: of rope hanging from a seven-foot pole. And...
00:26:40.293 --> 00:26:42.656
Robin Dean: Fits him perfectly what's your take.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah look at the tall rounders and so forth or just get the latest bmw you can
00:26:47.777 --> 00:26:51.017
Brian Wringer: use the r motor or go to the boxer if you want the four cylinder the k
00:26:51.862 --> 00:26:55.990
Brian Wringer: and whatever i will say there's a website called cycle ergo.com
00:26:56.448 --> 00:27:00.017
Brian Wringer: you can put in your inseam and height and it'll give you all the angles and
00:27:00.017 --> 00:27:05.307
Brian Wringer: then you can poke around its database is not at all complete but it will help
00:27:05.307 --> 00:27:07.907
Brian Wringer: you look for some things that are similar
00:27:08.372 --> 00:27:12.997
Brian Wringer: like for example the 1250 the boxer it gives you a different kind of shove i
00:27:12.997 --> 00:27:16.417
Brian Wringer: don't think it has quite the power of the k-bike but yeah there are any number
00:27:16.417 --> 00:27:21.884
Brian Wringer: of there are any number of monster tall rounders you know ducati bmw and so forth
00:27:22.348 --> 00:27:26.807
Brian Wringer: that may be an excellent choice for a tall person a lot of tall people in germany
00:27:26.807 --> 00:27:30.237
Brian Wringer: in Austria, cycle-ergo.com.
00:27:30.690 --> 00:27:33.731
Brian Wringer: It looks primitive. Just roll with it, figure it out.
00:27:34.149 --> 00:27:37.797
Brian Wringer: And you can kind of get an idea of how that bike fits, what your angles are,
00:27:37.797 --> 00:27:38.805
Brian Wringer: and what you need to look for.
00:27:39.264 --> 00:27:41.377
Brian Wringer: And it can lead you to some surprising places.
00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:49.167
Robin Dean: And to answer your next question, yes, you can put an 8'13 rider onto a Honda Monkey.
00:27:49.631 --> 00:27:54.887
Robin Dean: Again, if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your
00:27:54.887 --> 00:27:58.153
Robin Dean: web browser and send us a message. We would love to hear from you.
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Robin Dean: Brian, what are we digging into? What's the meat of the matter?
00:28:02.803 --> 00:28:06.877
Brian Wringer: We've had some interesting conversations and the idea originated with Robin.
00:28:06.877 --> 00:28:08.422
Brian Wringer: Maybe he got it from somewhere. I don't know.
00:28:08.892 --> 00:28:13.287
Brian Wringer: The idea was, you know, we're all, we use apps quite a bit. I have an app on
00:28:13.287 --> 00:28:16.385
Brian Wringer: my, on my handlebars every time I ride, but.
00:28:16.932 --> 00:28:20.804
Brian Wringer: I'm also old enough to remember navigating using paper maps.
00:28:21.268 --> 00:28:27.369
Brian Wringer: So this segment, we're calling it navigating the ride from apps to maps with a two just to make it hip.
00:28:27.828 --> 00:28:31.607
Brian Wringer: Yeah, as you pointed out, it's like, yeah, physical maps, using a physical map
00:28:31.607 --> 00:28:33.244
Brian Wringer: is kind of becoming a lost art form.
00:28:33.703 --> 00:28:37.551
Brian Wringer: I don't know when I started using a GPS on the bike.
00:28:38.010 --> 00:28:42.057
Brian Wringer: It's relatively recently in my riding life. And so I think, yeah,
00:28:42.057 --> 00:28:45.117
Brian Wringer: there's probably a whole generation of riders out there who really don't know
00:28:45.117 --> 00:28:46.624
Brian Wringer: how to deal with a paper map.
00:28:47.077 --> 00:28:50.467
Brian Wringer: And also there's any of us, you know, our electronics can fail.
00:28:50.467 --> 00:28:52.940
Brian Wringer: You know, what do you do? You know, how do you remember?
00:28:53.329 --> 00:28:57.178
Brian Wringer: How do you go back to using a paper map and getting where you're going?
00:28:57.538 --> 00:28:59.558
Robin Dean: You just sit there and you starve.
00:28:59.773 --> 00:29:05.084
Brian Wringer: And that's it. Yeah, pretty much. That's the end. Stop at a gas station and ask for directions.
00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:10.488
Brian Wringer: Hey, can you get me to Robbinsville via the twistiest route possible?
00:29:10.952 --> 00:29:14.023
Brian Wringer: Step one is to have some sort of map with you.
00:29:14.481 --> 00:29:17.217
Brian Wringer: Most states, when you go into the state on the interstate highway,
00:29:17.217 --> 00:29:23.740
Brian Wringer: there's a rest area, a welcome center, and they usually have state maps, may or may not.
00:29:24.048 --> 00:29:27.961
Brian Wringer: It's actually, I found it surprisingly hard to get a paper map these days.
00:29:28.408 --> 00:29:30.387
Brian Wringer: Gas stations usually don't have them anymore.
00:29:30.846 --> 00:29:35.857
Brian Wringer: Or, like if you're at a truck stop, you can get the map for the next state,
00:29:35.857 --> 00:29:38.407
Brian Wringer: but the map for the state you're in, they don't have because,
00:29:38.407 --> 00:29:40.203
Brian Wringer: well, everybody knows where they are. It's really weird.
00:29:40.656 --> 00:29:43.757
Brian Wringer: So at least have a state map with you everywhere you go. And I generally do
00:29:43.757 --> 00:29:49.487
Brian Wringer: have a state map in my trunk somewhere, just in case I need to figure out how
00:29:49.487 --> 00:29:50.809
Brian Wringer: to get somewhere, that kind of thing.
00:29:51.273 --> 00:29:56.037
Brian Wringer: You might lose your carefully planned, twisty, wiggly deluxe route that you
00:29:56.037 --> 00:29:58.472
Brian Wringer: had on your GPS where you just follow the pink line.
00:29:58.936 --> 00:30:03.787
Brian Wringer: But you would at least have some idea where you are and how to get to your hotel
00:30:03.787 --> 00:30:04.950
Brian Wringer: or wherever you're going next.
00:30:05.425 --> 00:30:08.669
Brian Wringer: There are also several companies that sell physical maps online.
00:30:09.127 --> 00:30:13.493
Brian Wringer: Butler Maps has really good maps that point out the twistiest roads and so forth.
00:30:13.951 --> 00:30:16.512
Brian Wringer: Mad Maps is a company that does pretty much the same thing.
00:30:16.512 --> 00:30:20.047
Robin Dean: I've never heard of them, and I was glad you, like, I'd never seen that before. That's pretty cool.
00:30:20.505 --> 00:30:24.392
Brian Wringer: Freeman Maps, and then you can, you know, obviously on Amazon,
00:30:24.392 --> 00:30:27.889
Brian Wringer: or you may even have to, like, you can find maps in bookstores,
00:30:28.342 --> 00:30:34.240
Brian Wringer: but they may have to order them for you. It's really, like, paper maps are nearly gone. It's crazy.
00:30:34.698 --> 00:30:37.618
Brian Wringer: But you can still get a lot of stuff. DeLorme is a brand.
00:30:38.083 --> 00:30:42.442
Brian Wringer: They sell area maps or regional maps. They'll have topo maps, things like that.
00:30:42.907 --> 00:30:47.282
Brian Wringer: Another good source is you can, and this varies all over the place,
00:30:47.282 --> 00:30:52.032
Brian Wringer: but a lot of states and a lot of counties have websites.
00:30:52.485 --> 00:30:56.132
Brian Wringer: You can download maps of the roads and so forth. So like I could download a
00:30:56.132 --> 00:30:58.992
Brian Wringer: map of counties in Wisconsin, for example.
00:30:59.392 --> 00:31:03.002
Brian Wringer: Wisconsin counties have on their website, they'll actually have a map you can
00:31:03.002 --> 00:31:06.522
Brian Wringer: download. You could print that, you could look at it on your phone or device
00:31:06.522 --> 00:31:08.638
Brian Wringer: or whatever, and you can plan things out.
00:31:09.091 --> 00:31:12.418
Brian Wringer: They generally don't, you know, unless you have a larger map,
00:31:12.875 --> 00:31:16.202
Brian Wringer: it just ends at the borders of the county. So you have to kind of stick it together.
00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:19.912
Brian Wringer: So if you got road C and it goes off this way, then you have to find the county
00:31:19.912 --> 00:31:22.941
Brian Wringer: next to it and so forth. It's cumbersome, but it can be done.
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:28.648
Brian Wringer: And if you have access to a large format printer, you can make some nice maps to have with you.
00:31:29.112 --> 00:31:34.252
Brian Wringer: It's, like I said, you really want to plan ahead. amazon whatever just getting
00:31:34.252 --> 00:31:39.512
Brian Wringer: your mitts on a physical map is really tough to do when you're at the side of
00:31:39.512 --> 00:31:43.119
Brian Wringer: the road at a gas station and they often don't have anything
00:31:43.584 --> 00:31:50.103
Robin Dean: So the point is like be prepared like really have one if you need to order it now have something,
00:31:50.692 --> 00:31:55.467
Robin Dean: i'm applying all this logic like i don't actually carry a physical map on my bike when i'm riding,
00:31:55.937 --> 00:31:59.072
Robin Dean: unless i'm on a tour in which case the best part of this you're gonna love this,
00:31:59.536 --> 00:32:04.542
Robin Dean: i then hand it to the sweep rider here hold this but the point is like you know
00:32:04.542 --> 00:32:07.888
Robin Dean: with moving a rig and living as full-time rv travelers,
00:32:08.358 --> 00:32:16.236
Robin Dean: We do have a dedicated truck map, and it's a massive U.S. booklet for the entire country.
00:32:16.689 --> 00:32:23.377
Robin Dean: I don't want to tuna can my rig into a low-hanging bridge that is,
00:32:23.377 --> 00:32:27.718
Robin Dean: you know, 13.4 when our rig runs about 13.6. These things help.
00:32:28.182 --> 00:32:31.697
Brian Wringer: Well, like you mentioned, like truck stops will have, they'll have paper maps
00:32:31.697 --> 00:32:35.527
Brian Wringer: for trucks to help you, and they're very detailed to help you figure out where
00:32:35.527 --> 00:32:38.897
Brian Wringer: the bridges are. So, yeah, you want to have maps. Like, if you're in a state
00:32:38.897 --> 00:32:41.657
Brian Wringer: you don't know, like, I don't need to carry a map in Indiana.
00:32:41.657 --> 00:32:42.637
Brian Wringer: I know how to get back home.
00:32:43.101 --> 00:32:46.497
Brian Wringer: I can figure it out. But there's a couple of things that really seem to trip
00:32:46.497 --> 00:32:49.725
Brian Wringer: up people who are getting used to apps over maps.
00:32:50.189 --> 00:32:54.073
Brian Wringer: Orientation. When you hold the map up in front of you, it's probably not pointing north.
00:32:54.566 --> 00:32:58.077
Brian Wringer: It's simple. It's stupid, but people do it. They're facing south.
00:32:58.077 --> 00:33:00.887
Brian Wringer: They whip out the map, and it's like, oh, it's over here on the right.
00:33:01.654 --> 00:33:04.757
Brian Wringer: No, it's not. Yeah, you have to take a little extra time and think about it
00:33:04.757 --> 00:33:06.233
Brian Wringer: and make sure you're pointed north.
00:33:06.587 --> 00:33:11.177
Brian Wringer: And there's all that Boy Scout or Girl Scout stuff about how to find north and
00:33:11.177 --> 00:33:13.112
Brian Wringer: know where you are in Mother Nature.
00:33:13.570 --> 00:33:15.799
Brian Wringer: Where is the sun? You know, if it's afternoon.
00:33:15.956 --> 00:33:17.094
Robin Dean: Let's do that now.
00:33:17.547 --> 00:33:18.412
Brian Wringer: How do you find north?
00:33:18.865 --> 00:33:24.347
Robin Dean: Step one, what time is it? It's going to get harder to do between the hours
00:33:24.347 --> 00:33:26.742
Robin Dean: of noon and maybe 1.30, 2 o'clock.
00:33:27.206 --> 00:33:32.918
Robin Dean: And all you need to know is that the sun always sets directly west.
00:33:33.203 --> 00:33:36.953
Robin Dean: So picture a compass in your head. North is up, south is down,
00:33:37.266 --> 00:33:39.246
Robin Dean: east is right, west is left.
00:33:39.641 --> 00:33:44.070
Robin Dean: So if you know where the sun is and you can see the direction of the shadow,
00:33:44.528 --> 00:33:50.008
Robin Dean: it's either on its way from the east or to the west. You've now figured out due north.
00:33:50.461 --> 00:33:55.627
Robin Dean: That's just simple logic that, hell, I've never even had any use for until I
00:33:55.627 --> 00:33:57.781
Robin Dean: was in my late 20s, early 30s.
00:33:58.775 --> 00:34:02.690
Robin Dean: Just remembering the information, the sun always sets to the left.
00:34:02.690 --> 00:34:06.163
Robin Dean: And what time is it? You're golden. You can find your way.
00:34:06.616 --> 00:34:12.485
Robin Dean: Many have done it with significantly lesser tech. Go see the Odyssey. You'll understand.
00:34:12.944 --> 00:34:14.860
Brian Wringer: Yeah, figure it out. And of course, in the morning, you know,
00:34:14.860 --> 00:34:17.773
Brian Wringer: in the morning, the sun rises in the east, sun sets in the west.
00:34:18.226 --> 00:34:21.840
Brian Wringer: Like if you're not real sure it can, especially in areas with all the good roads,
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.857
Brian Wringer: they're all twisty. They go every direction.
00:34:24.316 --> 00:34:27.670
Brian Wringer: Even if you're in Atlanta, there's, you know, a road that'll be like,
00:34:27.670 --> 00:34:33.905
Brian Wringer: you know, 28 north and it is going south you can't go by the name of the road or anything like that
00:34:34.364 --> 00:34:41.610
Robin Dean: But you can bust out the map look at the road and judge despite all of its squiggly
00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:46.955
Robin Dean: ramen noodle beautifulness that comes with sport touring determine does it generally go north,
00:34:47.408 --> 00:34:53.050
Robin Dean: where is the sun where am i turn the map so that it suits what you're asking
00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:56.005
Robin Dean: of it then determine does this road end up in,
00:34:56.469 --> 00:34:58.466
Robin Dean: town of awesome sauce,
00:34:58.931 --> 00:35:02.650
Robin Dean: the road does end there you know you're going to see a township sign that points
00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:06.420
Robin Dean: out that you have arrived it doesn't matter which way the sun is coming at you
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:10.890
Robin Dean: from curve by curve that's going to change you will be going technically in
00:35:10.890 --> 00:35:12.014
Robin Dean: the direction that you intend.
00:35:12.467 --> 00:35:16.650
Brian Wringer: Yeah and stuff like you know learning to look for those clues like for example
00:35:16.650 --> 00:35:20.660
Brian Wringer: when you read a topographic map you know you can figure out ridges and mountains
00:35:20.660 --> 00:35:24.900
Brian Wringer: and so forth a little practice on a normal flat map or a street map you have
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.567
Brian Wringer: to look for towns and things like that
00:35:27.026 --> 00:35:31.010
Brian Wringer: you know look for simple things like water towers in the distance oh that's
00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:34.850
Brian Wringer: the water tower for such and so you basically have to make sure you're aligned
00:35:34.850 --> 00:35:37.300
Brian Wringer: and you're mentally aligned with the map
00:35:37.765 --> 00:35:40.197
Brian Wringer: and there's there's crap like there's boy scout stuff like
00:35:40.662 --> 00:35:43.930
Brian Wringer: you know moss on the north side of the trees it's not very reliable it has more
00:35:43.930 --> 00:35:47.552
Brian Wringer: to do with you know especially if you're in a valley that doesn't mean anything
00:35:47.993 --> 00:35:50.930
Brian Wringer: the other thing big thing that really trips people up is scaling You're used
00:35:50.930 --> 00:35:54.379
Brian Wringer: to a map that automatically scales in and out, depending on how fast you're going.
00:35:54.847 --> 00:35:58.172
Brian Wringer: So you can see what's going on. A map obviously stays the same all the time.
00:35:58.631 --> 00:36:03.692
Brian Wringer: So you have to develop a sense, okay, I went from Podunk to Boogerville,
00:36:04.157 --> 00:36:09.236
Brian Wringer: and that took half an hour, and it covered 22 miles.
00:36:09.695 --> 00:36:12.995
Brian Wringer: And then you look at what a tiny distance that is on the map,
00:36:12.995 --> 00:36:16.825
Brian Wringer: then you can develop that sense of scale and make sure you keep that in mind
00:36:16.825 --> 00:36:18.553
Brian Wringer: when you're thinking about time and distance.
00:36:19.018 --> 00:36:21.805
Brian Wringer: That can get really disorienting for people who are used to scaling.
00:36:21.805 --> 00:36:26.245
Brian Wringer: So you have to pay some attention to that, get used to it, Stop more often and
00:36:26.245 --> 00:36:28.004
Brian Wringer: look at your map if you need to.
00:36:28.468 --> 00:36:32.526
Brian Wringer: You also actually have to look at and notice and remember road signs.
00:36:32.984 --> 00:36:37.530
Brian Wringer: This is something that is missing in a lot of people that are used to follow a GPS.
00:36:37.983 --> 00:36:38.825
Robin Dean: What road was that?
00:36:38.825 --> 00:36:41.645
Brian Wringer: I don't know. What hollow? Yeah. Something hollow.
00:36:41.645 --> 00:36:43.747
Robin Dean: The lost highway.
00:36:44.200 --> 00:36:46.745
Brian Wringer: You have to pay a lot more attention to that sort of thing. So you have some
00:36:46.745 --> 00:36:51.745
Brian Wringer: idea of what it is on a map. And also what the sign says often has nothing to
00:36:51.745 --> 00:36:53.093
Brian Wringer: do with what's on the map.
00:36:53.552 --> 00:36:58.515
Brian Wringer: It'll be like booger hollow road and then on the on the map it'll say us 12
00:36:58.515 --> 00:36:59.199
Brian Wringer: or something you know it's
00:36:59.657 --> 00:37:02.345
Brian Wringer: what's going on here but you do have to pay attention to that kind of thing
00:37:02.345 --> 00:37:05.615
Brian Wringer: like oh yeah and then i'm passing this road i'm passing this road you're not
00:37:05.615 --> 00:37:09.311
Brian Wringer: just following the pink line anymore once you have your map and you can read it
00:37:09.775 --> 00:37:13.185
Brian Wringer: you know how do you develop a route how do you remember route how do you make
00:37:13.185 --> 00:37:16.865
Brian Wringer: sure you can follow the route one of the things i do i always have with me a
00:37:16.865 --> 00:37:20.435
Brian Wringer: it's called a grease pencil or sometimes it's called a china marker like you
00:37:20.435 --> 00:37:22.575
Brian Wringer: can mark on ceramics with it.
00:37:22.842 --> 00:37:24.143
Robin Dean: You can write in the rain.
00:37:24.584 --> 00:37:29.435
Brian Wringer: Yeah, you can write in the rain on any shiny surface, and it'll wipe off later.
00:37:29.435 --> 00:37:32.664
Brian Wringer: It's a wax, and it'll stay there in the rain or whatever.
00:37:33.111 --> 00:37:36.535
Brian Wringer: That's how I used to do it all the time. I would plan out a route on a paper
00:37:36.535 --> 00:37:40.687
Brian Wringer: map, and then I made up a code that made sense to me, you know, write
00:37:41.245 --> 00:37:45.558
Brian Wringer: on 42, you know, that kind of thing, right there on my tank.
00:37:46.017 --> 00:37:49.993
Brian Wringer: And that way I wouldn't have to stop and pull out a map or look at directions in a tank bag.
00:37:50.446 --> 00:37:55.095
Brian Wringer: For a long time, I had like a tank bag with a clear top and I just had stuff written in there.
00:37:55.553 --> 00:37:57.943
Brian Wringer: So if you have a tank bag with a clear top, that's a great way to do it.
00:37:57.943 --> 00:38:01.097
Brian Wringer: Just scribble it down and that way you can kind of keep moving.
00:38:01.555 --> 00:38:06.153
Brian Wringer: But yeah, in general, you're just going to have to take a little more time when
00:38:06.153 --> 00:38:10.043
Brian Wringer: you're working with old school stuff and you can get a grease pencil or at any
00:38:10.043 --> 00:38:14.657
Brian Wringer: hardware store anything like that and i always have one in my equipment that way i can
00:38:15.122 --> 00:38:19.453
Brian Wringer: fall back if i need to one of the things i'll point out and robin has found
00:38:19.453 --> 00:38:24.154
Brian Wringer: this out too is that a lot of towns have a name on a map and a lot of those
00:38:24.625 --> 00:38:29.507
Brian Wringer: don't have a gas station or any electricity or anything at all going on
00:38:29.959 --> 00:38:36.919
Robin Dean: There's worse too They'll have a knick-knack shop, and it has old-timey gas pumps out front.
00:38:37.337 --> 00:38:41.433
Robin Dean: And isn't that great? Because you're pretty well fucked, and it's time to fill
00:38:41.433 --> 00:38:46.509
Robin Dean: up, and you pull in, and every one of the meters on the gas pumps reads,
00:38:46.788 --> 00:38:48.988
Robin Dean: Welcome! Have a snickerdoodle.
00:38:49.429 --> 00:38:53.666
Robin Dean: You're not getting fuel there. But don't worry. You can imagine getting fuel there.
00:38:54.124 --> 00:38:54.473
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:38:55.017 --> 00:38:58.826
Brian Wringer: Oh, that's where that used to be. Yep, yep, yep. I'd say this one's like,
00:38:58.826 --> 00:39:01.995
Brian Wringer: if you're in the mountains, which is where a lot of the good roads are,
00:39:02.459 --> 00:39:07.138
Brian Wringer: or even if you're in a really hilly area, there's only so many ways to get from here to there.
00:39:07.585 --> 00:39:10.646
Brian Wringer: You really have to expand your scope and think about, okay, how am I going to
00:39:10.646 --> 00:39:12.548
Brian Wringer: get around or over or through?
00:39:13.001 --> 00:39:17.256
Brian Wringer: I want to go from here to here, and there's a river in the middle,
00:39:17.256 --> 00:39:21.865
Brian Wringer: or there's a large ridge, and for some, you know, all the roads stop and so forth.
00:39:22.318 --> 00:39:25.896
Brian Wringer: I don't know, you kind of have to get to know how road networks work and be
00:39:25.896 --> 00:39:29.006
Brian Wringer: able to plan around things like that. Like, okay, this is the only road that
00:39:29.006 --> 00:39:31.223
Brian Wringer: goes over this ridge, so I guess that's what we're going to do,
00:39:31.664 --> 00:39:32.512
Brian Wringer: whether we liked it or not.
00:39:32.970 --> 00:39:35.976
Brian Wringer: And the same thing, you know, when you're planning a route online or using an
00:39:35.976 --> 00:39:37.713
Brian Wringer: app or whatever, it's the same thing.
00:39:38.171 --> 00:39:42.396
Brian Wringer: In some places, there's just one way in, one way out, or you have to turn around
00:39:42.396 --> 00:39:45.341
Brian Wringer: or something like that. And just understanding how those work.
00:39:45.799 --> 00:39:51.136
Robin Dean: The opposite is also true. You're reminding me of a road that goes directly
00:39:51.136 --> 00:39:55.294
Robin Dean: north through Idaho that is unexpectedly pleasant.
00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.681
Robin Dean: And it's a two-lane highway. It's just one lane going north and the other lane going south.
00:40:01.140 --> 00:40:05.006
Robin Dean: There's nothing much around it, and it's completely a truck route.
00:40:05.448 --> 00:40:11.246
Robin Dean: Not a lot of people use it. It's Highway 93, which passes all the way through Mackie.
00:40:11.706 --> 00:40:15.374
Robin Dean: It just keeps going and going all the way up to Canada. Who knows?
00:40:15.838 --> 00:40:22.166
Robin Dean: My point is that you may have a worst case scenario escape route that wants
00:40:22.166 --> 00:40:26.806
Robin Dean: to take you by way of slab or it's this town to that town to this town to that
00:40:26.806 --> 00:40:30.688
Robin Dean: town, not knowing whether or not this one road is,
00:40:31.151 --> 00:40:33.323
Robin Dean: of quality worth writing.
00:40:33.775 --> 00:40:37.444
Robin Dean: I'm going to open myself up a little bit here and say that is the first time
00:40:37.827 --> 00:40:42.587
Robin Dean: I've ever been on a road that was so boringly straight. Yeah.
00:40:43.517 --> 00:40:49.298
Robin Dean: It's undeniably worth riding for hours and hours and hours.
00:40:49.611 --> 00:40:54.442
Robin Dean: It is the most beautiful straight line road that I've ever been on.
00:40:54.442 --> 00:41:00.461
Robin Dean: And I would actually love to ride that anytime. It's just that overwhelming.
00:41:00.919 --> 00:41:05.702
Brian Wringer: Yeah. And you can see, if you look at it on a topo, it basically follows a valley
00:41:06.002 --> 00:41:10.016
Brian Wringer: through some just really intense mountains. It's beautiful.
00:41:10.474 --> 00:41:14.942
Robin Dean: Luckily for us, it does actually join up in a T-intersection with that which
00:41:14.942 --> 00:41:18.491
Robin Dean: reaches Idaho 21, just north of Mackie.
00:41:18.944 --> 00:41:24.932
Robin Dean: So it goes from being this long, beautiful cruise to some light sweepers,
00:41:24.932 --> 00:41:28.081
Robin Dean: nothing too spectacular, to good stuff.
00:41:28.516 --> 00:41:33.012
Robin Dean: At the same time, if you keep going due north of that, and how are we figuring
00:41:33.012 --> 00:41:34.954
Robin Dean: out north? Well, first, we put the damn map down.
00:41:35.145 --> 00:41:38.350
Robin Dean: We look on what road are we on? Look where the sun is. What time is it?
00:41:38.617 --> 00:41:43.042
Robin Dean: Figure it out. are we going to be okay yeah take 93 all the way up to 12 you
00:41:43.042 --> 00:41:45.803
Robin Dean: know what it got us there a map nice.
00:41:46.343 --> 00:41:51.381
Brian Wringer: Paper maps, you will take more time to navigate, especially if it's a fallback.
00:41:51.833 --> 00:41:56.837
Brian Wringer: Following the pink line is really fast. So just make sure you allow for that, allow for more time.
00:41:57.284 --> 00:42:00.744
Robin Dean: So let's talk about techniques. I do not have digital access.
00:42:00.854 --> 00:42:04.789
Robin Dean: I have no cell reception or I don't want cell reception. And I want to make
00:42:04.789 --> 00:42:09.080
Robin Dean: sure that I can be a survivalist on a motorcycle with pavement.
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:12.459
Robin Dean: I know what my route is. It's complicated. It goes from this to that,
00:42:12.459 --> 00:42:16.509
Robin Dean: to that, to this, and it's going to be fantastic. but I do not want to use my
00:42:16.509 --> 00:42:18.513
Robin Dean: phone and I do not know the area.
00:42:18.972 --> 00:42:21.739
Robin Dean: I have a map. It says I'm going to go from this road to that road,
00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:22.693
Robin Dean: to this road, to that road.
00:42:23.151 --> 00:42:29.149
Robin Dean: The distance from this road to that road is approximately this round that down
00:42:29.149 --> 00:42:31.760
Robin Dean: about five miles and then say,
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:37.189
Robin Dean: at that five mile point written with your grease pencil into your paperwork
00:42:37.189 --> 00:42:40.779
Robin Dean: or whatever lead sheet you've got, you have that, which says,
00:42:40.779 --> 00:42:43.231
Robin Dean: Hey, start looking for yada yada hollow road,
00:42:43.695 --> 00:42:47.689
Robin Dean: and you arrive and you take a right and then in four miles you got to constantly
00:42:47.689 --> 00:42:49.569
Robin Dean: be resetting your trip meter,
00:42:50.027 --> 00:42:53.951
Robin Dean: which is not a bad thing that is the other part of this technique that is greatly
00:42:54.073 --> 00:42:57.069
Robin Dean: effective if you have many many roads,
00:42:57.527 --> 00:43:00.719
Robin Dean: that can join to formulate your loop and you've never been on it you've got
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.219
Robin Dean: no digital just the map yeah you're going to constantly be like okay reset i'm
00:43:04.219 --> 00:43:08.559
Robin Dean: looking for four miles down okay this time 15 miles of this but you double check.
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.440
Robin Dean: Did I go 16, 17? Oh, crap. I got to double back. It is an art form.
00:43:12.899 --> 00:43:13.775
Brian Wringer: It's one worth learning.
00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:17.653
Robin Dean: If you're a young, new sport touring writer, if there is such a thing,
00:43:18.123 --> 00:43:21.357
Robin Dean: challenge yourself in an environment that you are not uncomfortable in,
00:43:21.635 --> 00:43:24.201
Robin Dean: where you know how to meander and return.
00:43:24.654 --> 00:43:27.992
Robin Dean: Lock yourself into the technique involved to know where you're at,
00:43:28.189 --> 00:43:32.229
Robin Dean: know what the paper said, follow the lead sheet that you've written in your
00:43:32.229 --> 00:43:36.119
Robin Dean: own handwriting using your trip meter to remind you, oh, I need to watch out
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.580
Robin Dean: for that road name at this particular time.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: It's time to completely change subjects because the one and only Joanne Don
00:43:45.632 --> 00:43:47.611
Robin Dean: is here of GearChick.com.
00:43:48.063 --> 00:43:53.480
Robin Dean: G-E-A-R-C-H-I-C.com. We're going to talk about the state of the motorcycle industry
00:43:53.701 --> 00:43:59.425
Robin Dean: and the e-bike influence, as well as armor electrified. Because that ain't no bike.
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Joanne Donn: I don't think the specifications really matter. What matters is if you're going
00:44:15.521 --> 00:44:21.671
Joanne Donn: 40 miles an hour or 30 miles an hour, speed is speed. So it doesn't matter if
00:44:21.671 --> 00:44:25.195
Joanne Donn: you're on a motorcycle or a scooter, your bones break just as hard.
00:44:25.660 --> 00:44:32.695
Joanne Donn: Your flesh is going to slide and abrade and, you know, road rash is road rash no matter how fast.
00:44:33.154 --> 00:44:37.451
Joanne Donn: People look at the equipment and they don't really look at the reality.
00:44:37.451 --> 00:44:39.063
Joanne Donn: Go, oh, it's just a scooter.
00:44:39.522 --> 00:44:42.918
Joanne Donn: Oh, it's just a bicycle. but mileage is mileage.
00:44:43.382 --> 00:44:47.376
Joanne Donn: It's more about the fact that you're playing in traffic.
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.126
Joanne Donn: There's a difference between people who you're out in the mountains.
00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:52.595
Joanne Donn: That's a whole different thing.
00:44:53.053 --> 00:44:56.832
Joanne Donn: You also see people who actually, they're bicycling. Their bikes are electric,
00:44:56.943 --> 00:45:01.018
Joanne Donn: but they're in the bicycle lane. You're only going like 10 miles an hour. That's different.
00:45:01.476 --> 00:45:03.404
Joanne Donn: I'm talking about people who are riding in traffic.
00:45:03.862 --> 00:45:08.561
Joanne Donn: So no matter what you ride, when you make the decision, I'm going to ride between
00:45:08.561 --> 00:45:13.501
Joanne Donn: cars, with cars, That's the important part. No matter what you ride,
00:45:13.501 --> 00:45:16.789
Joanne Donn: it could be a 50cc scooter. It could be a three-wheeler.
00:45:17.236 --> 00:45:21.821
Joanne Donn: The bottom line is you've lost your car and you've lost your airbags and you
00:45:21.821 --> 00:45:25.111
Joanne Donn: can't surround yourself in a roll cage.
00:45:25.111 --> 00:45:33.081
Joanne Donn: So when you are usually on a city vehicle, so if you have your fancy KLR,
00:45:33.081 --> 00:45:35.434
Joanne Donn: you have your fancy GS6-8, whatever,
00:45:35.898 --> 00:45:40.191
Joanne Donn: to ride around in the mountains, well, let's say you also have a small bike
00:45:40.191 --> 00:45:48.194
Joanne Donn: around town, whether it's a 100cc scooter or a 200cc dual sport or a
00:45:48.664 --> 00:45:51.931
Joanne Donn: electric bicycle that goes 50 or
00:45:52.402 --> 00:45:54.305
Joanne Donn: One wheels, those go 50.
00:45:54.752 --> 00:45:59.379
Joanne Donn: I saw a guy on the freeway on a one wheel, and he's going 50 on the highway,
00:45:59.850 --> 00:46:02.897
Joanne Donn: and there's a guy here in Denver, and he wears two-piece dynasty leathers.
00:46:03.362 --> 00:46:06.411
Joanne Donn: I wish he would upgrade his shoes, because he's still wearing,
00:46:06.411 --> 00:46:09.443
Joanne Donn: like, Nikes, and he's not wearing real footwear.
00:46:09.885 --> 00:46:11.644
Joanne Donn: Maybe he's building up his wardrobe.
00:46:12.544 --> 00:46:17.026
Joanne Donn: He's on a one wheel and that goes 50. That's insane. But it's great that this
00:46:17.026 --> 00:46:22.738
Joanne Donn: guy takes it seriously and he wears a HEV helmet. He wears full leathers because he knows 60 is 60.
00:46:23.202 --> 00:46:27.216
Joanne Donn: Friends, numbers are numbers. They don't change. 30 miles an hour is 30 miles
00:46:27.216 --> 00:46:30.499
Joanne Donn: an hour, no matter what you're riding on, period.
00:46:30.905 --> 00:46:32.763
Joanne Donn: You know, the speed is the speed.
00:46:33.216 --> 00:46:38.266
Joanne Donn: You can road rash. You can get a concussion. You can be injured.
00:46:38.266 --> 00:46:44.826
Joanne Donn: So I know it's hard, though, to make the decision to wear something that doesn't
00:46:44.826 --> 00:46:47.955
Joanne Donn: really go along with what you're riding.
00:46:48.402 --> 00:46:53.353
Joanne Donn: I get that because we're humans. Some of us are vain, more vain than others.
00:46:53.812 --> 00:46:57.295
Joanne Donn: And I always told my customers, be vain. That's OK, you know.
00:46:57.764 --> 00:47:01.102
Joanne Donn: Don't apologize for it and don't feel bad about it.
00:47:01.572 --> 00:47:06.501
Joanne Donn: Own whatever it is you want to own. Just know what you're getting into.
00:47:06.965 --> 00:47:13.448
Joanne Donn: That's what matters, right? But if you do want to, if you're on something small,
00:47:13.912 --> 00:47:15.843
Joanne Donn: especially like city-minded, what
00:47:15.843 --> 00:47:20.565
Joanne Donn: I would recommend is looking into really lightweight city motorcycle wear.
00:47:20.878 --> 00:47:25.733
Joanne Donn: So like a Monrofzilla and for less than $200, there's these very inexpensive
00:47:25.733 --> 00:47:28.553
Joanne Donn: riding hoodies and they have low abrasion.
00:47:29.017 --> 00:47:33.673
Joanne Donn: You know, maybe you have a 10-minute commute to work across town and you're not on the highway.
00:47:33.673 --> 00:47:37.493
Joanne Donn: You're just going through, like you're going down Venice Avenue in San Francisco
00:47:37.913 --> 00:47:44.393
Joanne Donn: or major streets in your city and that's it. And so that's the kind of abrasion.
00:47:44.393 --> 00:47:47.274
Joanne Donn: There's also really inexpensive riding shirts.
00:47:47.738 --> 00:47:51.227
Joanne Donn: These items all have armor built in that are really low profile.
00:47:51.685 --> 00:47:56.805
Joanne Donn: So I just went to RevZilla and I went to armored hoodies under jackets and vest.
00:47:57.264 --> 00:48:01.264
Joanne Donn: The trick is to sort from low to high, unless you have a lot of money and you're a big spender.
00:48:01.670 --> 00:48:05.853
Joanne Donn: But if you sort the price from low to high, then you're actually going to see
00:48:05.853 --> 00:48:11.781
Joanne Donn: the shirts and the hoodies first, because jackets are typically up at the $200 price point.
00:48:12.246 --> 00:48:18.443
Joanne Donn: And so you'll see all these wonderful, really cool, casual styled where you
00:48:18.443 --> 00:48:21.336
Joanne Donn: don't even know, you have no idea that they're armored.
00:48:21.783 --> 00:48:28.296
Joanne Donn: Like a flannel shirt. There's a ton of options for button up shirts that aren't jackets.
00:48:28.755 --> 00:48:32.975
Joanne Donn: Hoodies that just look like hoodies. Now, right now it's 90 degrees and I get it.
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.629
Joanne Donn: If it's 90, then you may not want to ride when it's 90. Like,
00:48:37.629 --> 00:48:40.168
Joanne Donn: I don't ride in this weather because it's not fun.
00:48:40.446 --> 00:48:43.145
Joanne Donn: It's not my preference. It's just not comfortable.
00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:48.659
Joanne Donn: My range for riding is like 50s to 80s. Like, that's my sweet spot.
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:49.717
Joanne Donn: That's where I like to ride.
00:48:50.164 --> 00:48:55.089
Joanne Donn: But that's where I would recommend you look so that you get city fashion,
00:48:55.509 --> 00:49:00.711
Joanne Donn: city look, and you get that moderate protection level, that minimum, I would say.
00:49:01.182 --> 00:49:06.660
Joanne Donn: And you can go to work or school or wherever you want to go on your stand-up scooter.
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:14.282
Joanne Donn: The point is, because it's the year 2026, not 1996, the choices are vast.
00:49:14.735 --> 00:49:20.076
Joanne Donn: Back then, though, early 2000s even, you didn't have a choice to get a really
00:49:20.499 --> 00:49:24.325
Joanne Donn: cool, stylish hoodie that looks like streetwear.
00:49:24.795 --> 00:49:31.575
Joanne Donn: Revit hoodie, Cortec riding shirt, a red flannel, like very casual style.
00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:37.415
Joanne Donn: Those are all choices we never had back then because it was absurd at the time
00:49:37.746 --> 00:49:43.087
Joanne Donn: to think that you could wear a hoodie that would protect you because it didn't exist.
00:49:43.388 --> 00:49:47.818
Joanne Donn: So the idea of it was laughable and people would look at you like you're crazy.
00:49:48.282 --> 00:49:53.179
Joanne Donn: And I want to say a few European brands or like Australian, like they had slowly
00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:57.769
Joanne Donn: dabbled in some of the casual, like that's when jeans started to hit the market
00:49:57.769 --> 00:50:01.883
Joanne Donn: and everybody was like, I'm not wearing a riding jean. There's no way.
00:50:02.299 --> 00:50:05.561
Joanne Donn: But who would want to back then? There were no armor pockets.
00:50:05.886 --> 00:50:10.466
Joanne Donn: There was only Aramid or Kevlar Lightning. There was nothing for your impact.
00:50:10.583 --> 00:50:12.864
Joanne Donn: They were heavy. They were hot.
00:50:13.334 --> 00:50:16.219
Joanne Donn: They were just not comfortable. And why would you?
00:50:16.678 --> 00:50:19.919
Joanne Donn: Now you have choices. You have no excuse, especially if you're letting children,
00:50:19.919 --> 00:50:25.542
Joanne Donn: if you're letting minors go ride on a equivalent of a 200cc electric motorcycle
00:50:25.693 --> 00:50:27.220
Joanne Donn: and you're not making them wear a helmet.
00:50:27.690 --> 00:50:32.907
Joanne Donn: What really angers me about minors riding is not that they're riding.
00:50:32.907 --> 00:50:36.967
Joanne Donn: That's a great thing, right? I mean, that's how Nicky Hayden became a champion.
00:50:36.967 --> 00:50:38.841
Joanne Donn: That's how Colin Edwards became a champion.
00:50:39.306 --> 00:50:44.237
Joanne Donn: It's not that they're riding. The point is, for me, that makes me angry is when
00:50:44.237 --> 00:50:49.627
Joanne Donn: they knowingly make terrible choices for their children to ride on a motorcycle.
00:50:49.981 --> 00:50:54.317
Joanne Donn: You know very well when you're an adult, a helmet is better than not.
00:50:54.770 --> 00:50:57.835
Joanne Donn: Then we go, whatever we want to do. Great. We get to do what we want.
00:50:58.125 --> 00:51:01.987
Joanne Donn: But when you get your minor child on the back of your bike and you're making
00:51:01.987 --> 00:51:05.337
Joanne Donn: a choice for them that is knowingly putting their life in jeopardy,
00:51:05.337 --> 00:51:08.620
Joanne Donn: that's when I get cranky and that's when I will say something.
00:51:09.084 --> 00:51:13.897
Joanne Donn: To me, that's just not okay. I had a customer come in one time on his cruiser
00:51:13.897 --> 00:51:18.467
Joanne Donn: with his teenage daughter and she's wearing a half helmet and he's wearing a half helmet.
00:51:18.467 --> 00:51:21.667
Joanne Donn: And I'm like, you're not going to at least make your daughter wear a full face
00:51:21.667 --> 00:51:26.075
Joanne Donn: helmet, you can wear half, but really, she doesn't know any better.
00:51:26.505 --> 00:51:29.117
Joanne Donn: Like, you can't expect as a
00:51:29.588 --> 00:51:33.557
Joanne Donn: Expect your minor child to know better. I think as an adult,
00:51:33.557 --> 00:51:37.791
Joanne Donn: you have the right to do that. But when your minor child is 12,
00:51:38.046 --> 00:51:42.214
Joanne Donn: 10, 13, they are children. They don't know.
00:51:42.493 --> 00:51:46.382
Joanne Donn: And they can't be expected to know better. And I'm not a parent,
00:51:46.655 --> 00:51:51.127
Joanne Donn: but I know damn well that minor children don't know everything they need to
00:51:51.127 --> 00:51:54.114
Joanne Donn: know, especially about riding safely.
00:51:54.573 --> 00:52:00.510
Joanne Donn: And it's insane, right? So you need to encourage your children to wear something.
00:52:00.975 --> 00:52:04.881
Joanne Donn: If it's an electric bicycle, electric scooter, electric motorcycle,
00:52:05.154 --> 00:52:08.257
Joanne Donn: no matter how small, if they're riding in traffic, and by the way,
00:52:08.257 --> 00:52:11.656
Joanne Donn: if they're telling you they're not, they're lying, they need to wear a helmet.
00:52:12.120 --> 00:52:15.336
Joanne Donn: If they're riding in traffic, they need at least a full face helmet,
00:52:15.766 --> 00:52:19.980
Joanne Donn: like a dirt bike helmet would be good, even a light motorcycle helmet.
00:52:20.427 --> 00:52:22.575
Joanne Donn: They are dangerous, just as dangerous.
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:28.917
Joanne Donn: Ask your local emergency room how many children they've seen come in because
00:52:28.917 --> 00:52:30.922
Joanne Donn: they're not wearing anything.
00:52:31.381 --> 00:52:36.067
Joanne Donn: That's not good. Bicycle speeds, we're talking zero to 15, that's bicycle safety
00:52:36.067 --> 00:52:38.817
Joanne Donn: gear, bicycle helmets, bicycle gloves.
00:52:39.282 --> 00:52:44.204
Joanne Donn: And outside the bicycle lane over that 20, 30, 40, now you're in motorcycle products.
00:52:44.669 --> 00:52:48.924
Joanne Donn: I remember riding a lime scooter, the stand-up scooter, you can rent it,
00:52:49.255 --> 00:52:50.851
Joanne Donn: and ride around by the half hour.
00:52:51.315 --> 00:52:54.520
Joanne Donn: I would ride it from here to the Ravzilla store, which is a mile.
00:52:54.984 --> 00:52:58.287
Joanne Donn: And I'm riding in the bicycle lane, but not every street has a bicycle lane.
00:52:58.287 --> 00:53:00.689
Joanne Donn: So I'm riding in traffic, terrified.
00:53:01.148 --> 00:53:05.337
Joanne Donn: I don't have a helmet on. I don't have any control. I don't have any safety
00:53:05.337 --> 00:53:10.217
Joanne Donn: gear, but I'm moving at speeds that I would normally feel comfortable geared
00:53:10.217 --> 00:53:14.087
Joanne Donn: up. And so after that couple of times, I decided, well, I got to do a helmet.
00:53:14.552 --> 00:53:19.120
Joanne Donn: My official recommendation is bicycle lane is bicycle gear.
00:53:19.573 --> 00:53:25.848
Joanne Donn: Traffic lanes would be motorcycle gear. However, I do know that people on bicycles ride in traffic.
00:53:26.311 --> 00:53:30.930
Joanne Donn: If you're on a vehicle where you're predominantly riding in traffic at traffic
00:53:30.930 --> 00:53:32.520
Joanne Donn: speed, of course you want to
00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:35.118
Joanne Donn: share the road, but the bicycle people are pedaling at five miles an hour.
00:53:35.263 --> 00:53:38.717
Joanne Donn: They're not pedaling at 40. They're just sharing the lane.
00:53:39.181 --> 00:53:45.010
Joanne Donn: My message is to the people in traffic riding at the speed of traffic.
00:53:45.010 --> 00:53:47.465
Joanne Donn: You're going 30, just like the cars around you.
00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:52.004
Joanne Donn: That's where you should really be considering real protective product.
00:53:52.475 --> 00:53:56.161
Joanne Donn: And if you're not comfortable doing head to toe, do a helmet.
00:53:56.579 --> 00:54:01.513
Joanne Donn: Do some gloves, maybe start there. At least a helmet at the bare minimum.
00:54:01.693 --> 00:54:04.636
Joanne Donn: So at least your head will be working even though the rest of your body might not.
00:54:17.365 --> 00:54:21.845
Robin Dean: Banner at higher revs can be found via the gear chick website or by emailing
00:54:21.845 --> 00:54:24.650
Robin Dean: joanne directly that email address by the way is.
00:54:25.103 --> 00:54:26.851
Joanne Donn: Help at gear chick.com
00:54:27.298 --> 00:54:32.765
Robin Dean: Let's just talk about this very organic liquefied dial of what is defined as
00:54:32.765 --> 00:54:36.695
Robin Dean: what now that there's all just a matter of how much voltage how much battery
00:54:36.695 --> 00:54:40.434
Robin Dean: power and a single moving part whether it's one wheel,
00:54:40.893 --> 00:54:44.242
Robin Dean: or in my case definitely a segue way only for style points.
00:54:44.707 --> 00:54:48.825
Brian Wringer: One thing i liked what joanne said was there's like i was wondering where the
00:54:48.825 --> 00:54:53.937
Brian Wringer: dividing line is and joanne defined it very well if you're in traffic
00:54:54.395 --> 00:54:58.625
Brian Wringer: i would say you're on a motorcycle if you're mixing it up in traffic you're
00:54:58.625 --> 00:55:01.872
Brian Wringer: with the cars if you're in that bicycle lane if you're under
00:55:02.342 --> 00:55:05.255
Brian Wringer: you know even if there is no bicycle lane if you're doing bicycle things and
00:55:05.255 --> 00:55:08.397
Brian Wringer: you're a bicycle, even if you're augmented with electricity.
00:55:08.850 --> 00:55:14.345
Brian Wringer: I like the way Joanne defined that. If you're in traffic, you're mixing up with
00:55:14.345 --> 00:55:16.691
Brian Wringer: cars, you're a motorcycle.
00:55:17.150 --> 00:55:22.467
Brian Wringer: My gateway drug for motorcycles was bicycles, specifically mountain biking.
00:55:22.925 --> 00:55:28.575
Brian Wringer: I had thousands and thousands of very hardcore off-road mountain biking that
00:55:28.575 --> 00:55:33.874
Brian Wringer: happened. And then my band got successful enough that I bought a motorcycle and then it was all over.
00:55:34.338 --> 00:55:36.725
Brian Wringer: Seriously, that's about how it went. Like, oh, I've got money.
00:55:37.445 --> 00:55:41.075
Brian Wringer: I can buy a cheap motorcycle. I've got just enough. And the way I looked at
00:55:41.075 --> 00:55:44.799
Brian Wringer: it was anything, any gateway drug, anything that gets people on two wheels,
00:55:45.205 --> 00:55:48.421
Brian Wringer: anything that gets people having fun on two wheels, I'm all for it.
00:55:48.885 --> 00:55:52.515
Brian Wringer: And whether it's a bicycle and they stay with the machines with pedals and so
00:55:52.515 --> 00:55:57.435
Brian Wringer: forth, or, you know, they step up, they use an electric motorcycle to get to
00:55:57.435 --> 00:56:00.908
Brian Wringer: work and they need to buy the gear or the hoodie or whatever.
00:56:01.378 --> 00:56:04.075
Brian Wringer: You know like she answered the big question where's the dividing line i think
00:56:04.075 --> 00:56:07.235
Brian Wringer: that's a great way to put it you're in traffic you're on a motorcycle you got
00:56:07.235 --> 00:56:10.323
Brian Wringer: to act like it and you got to have some training parents
00:56:10.914 --> 00:56:14.387
Brian Wringer: send your kids out on these damn things unless you know you know what they're
00:56:14.387 --> 00:56:16.227
Brian Wringer: doing you see that all the time
00:56:16.227 --> 00:56:21.396
Brian Wringer: though kids on pretty powerful electric bicycles doing really dumb stuff
00:56:21.988 --> 00:56:25.197
Brian Wringer: they're not toys they're not bicycles anymore when they're in the middle of
00:56:25.197 --> 00:56:30.417
Brian Wringer: traffic crossing an interstate that 12 year old was trying to act like a motorcycle
00:56:30.882 --> 00:56:33.587
Brian Wringer: had no idea what he was doing and he was running a green running the red light
00:56:34.051 --> 00:56:36.850
Robin Dean: Right away share the road right away.
00:56:37.308 --> 00:56:41.137
Brian Wringer: What i'm really looking forward to is, like, I don't think there's anything
00:56:41.137 --> 00:56:42.677
Brian Wringer: sacred about internal combustion.
00:56:43.142 --> 00:56:47.457
Brian Wringer: I like it. It really sounds cool. But I really look forward to the day when
00:56:47.457 --> 00:56:52.808
Brian Wringer: you can do a 250-mile ride on an electric motorcycle. That would be cool.
00:56:53.259 --> 00:57:00.812
Robin Dean: It would be great. I hope it happens. At the same time, lithium is land rape.
00:57:01.080 --> 00:57:05.729
Robin Dean: It is an incredibly rough thing to mine. Yeah.
00:57:06.414 --> 00:57:11.866
Robin Dean: And while the utopia that we all hope for, solar balance of charging batteries
00:57:11.866 --> 00:57:15.503
Robin Dean: and lithium, lithium is devastating to the landscape.
00:57:15.962 --> 00:57:19.143
Robin Dean: If you have a beautiful view of a mountain and there's lithium in it,
00:57:19.433 --> 00:57:22.539
Robin Dean: that whole thing is fracked, flat gone.
00:57:22.986 --> 00:57:28.030
Robin Dean: Just so they can say, look, now we're anything that is more progressive on the,
00:57:28.483 --> 00:57:33.056
Robin Dean: resources front than the current state of America, who's like,
00:57:33.056 --> 00:57:34.828
Robin Dean: you know, let's get back into coal. Yeah.
00:57:35.476 --> 00:57:35.577
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:57:36.134 --> 00:57:38.021
Robin Dean: It's a complicated thing to get the storage.
00:57:38.485 --> 00:57:41.826
Brian Wringer: You know, there's a whole conversation that we're not going to have about existing
00:57:41.826 --> 00:57:43.738
Brian Wringer: as humans is going to cause damage.
00:57:44.209 --> 00:57:44.493
Robin Dean: Right.
00:57:45.016 --> 00:57:46.293
Brian Wringer: Of some sort somewhere.
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Robin Dean: George Carlin, Earth is going to be fine. We're fucked.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. I'd love for another chemistry to pan out and to, you know,
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Brian Wringer: something that's less harmful and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: But getting back to our little corner of what we care about,
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Brian Wringer: are electric motorcycles fun? Hell yeah. You've actually ridden one. I have not.
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Joanne Donn: I had one for a year on Borrow back when I used to work at the dealership.
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Joanne Donn: I worked at probably a dealership that also took on Brammo Electrics at the
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Joanne Donn: time. It was when Xero first started and Brammo's no longer or they got bought
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Joanne Donn: out and then basically eliminated.
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Joanne Donn: But they had at the time a $15,000 naked electric with like a hundred mile range.
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Joanne Donn: It didn't have a letter designation. It had an actual name, and I did not borrow
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Joanne Donn: that one. I'd written that one before, but I was able to borrow their smaller city
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Robin Dean: The M-Pulse R.
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Joanne Donn: The M-Pulse is the big one. And I borrowed the small one, which was the equivalent
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Joanne Donn: of like a 200cc supermoto. Like, or it's just a skinny, tall,
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Joanne Donn: really tall, really skinny, but super light.
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Joanne Donn: I got a 10-mile range out of it.
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Joanne Donn: If I was paying attention to the speed limit on flats, it was called like the
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Joanne Donn: Electro. It had some cute little name, but I had it for a year and it was awesome.
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Joanne Donn: So much fun. And in San Francisco, it was the perfect two-wheel vehicle.
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Joanne Donn: I could lane split so easy, but I would use the entire battery on a one-way
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Joanne Donn: because I had hills. I had to go through Twin Peaks, which was up elevation,
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Joanne Donn: because I could get like 45 on the downhill.
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Joanne Donn: It was great. I had it for a year, and I opted not to buy it.
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Joanne Donn: Looking back, I'm kind of glad I didn't because the range was really small.
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Joanne Donn: But I did have it for a year. It was great.
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Joanne Donn: It's really fun. And it's its own kind of fun, like a scooter.
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Joanne Donn: A scooter is fun in its own way. But when you start comparing them,
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Joanne Donn: like, oh, it's not as fun as a motorcycle. No, it's different.
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Joanne Donn: And it's its own fun, just like spiders, just like Can-Ams. They're their own fun.
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Joanne Donn: They're just different. They're not motorcycles. So have fun,
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Joanne Donn: you know. But the electrics to me was just like that. You just felt like you were on
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Joanne Donn: a really heavy bicycle.
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Robin Dean: What are some things we want to talk about next time? I've already put my notes
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Robin Dean: in here. I know what I want to talk about if you guys are open to it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, absolutely.
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Robin Dean: We've discussed the benefits of physical maps and we've gone through the motions
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Robin Dean: to make sure we have them on hand.
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Robin Dean: Now it's okay to explore digital routing solutions, new and old.
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Robin Dean: I've already got an exacting list and reasoning to back up my choices,
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Robin Dean: but for fun, I'll spend the next week investigating the virtual rookie newcomers
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Robin Dean: and entering the app arena for motorcycle navigation.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, and we covered this sort of thing in the past, but things have changed.
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Brian Wringer: Things are changing. And there's some new stuff that's really interesting.
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Robin Dean: Some old stuff has gotten just that much better too. They're just like,
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Robin Dean: oh, oh no, we got ideas, you know? Pretty cool. That's what I'm into for next week. You guys down?
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Brian Wringer: I'm up, I'm down.
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Joanne Donn: I'm always down.
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Brian Wringer: What do kids say? I'm sideways, yeah. What do you kids say now?
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Joanne Donn: I don't know who you're calling kids.
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Robin Dean: Is that what's hot on the streets?
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Joanne Donn: I think you're stuck in the wrong decade. Yes.
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Brian Wringer: I'm sideways.
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Robin Dean: You guys ready to get out of here?
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Brian Wringer: Let's go.