S10 EP20: Pete Doherty

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett.
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And I'm Josh Willicombe.
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Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and
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I discuss what it's really like to be a parent,
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which I would say can be a little tricky.
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So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about
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the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week
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we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping.
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Or hopefully how they're not coping.
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And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when
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none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening
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to Parenting Hell with.
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Rupert, can you say Rob Beckett?
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Beckett.
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Can I say Rob?
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Rob.
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Beckett.
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Beckett.
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And Josh?
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Josh.
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Widdicombe. Widdicombe.
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Yay! Click up!
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Yay! There we go. Lovely.
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Rob, I'd say that was a good one.
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But they've put as their subject, amazing podcast intro, exclamation mark,
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exclamation mark. Pick me with three E's. And when did
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it get sent? 6.50pm last night. Oh. Which is a Wednesday.
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So they haven't, we're recording on Thursday for once. So
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they haven't actually, Rob. That's pure potluck, that is. That
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is pure potluck and a fair play to them. This
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is my two and a half year old son, Rupert.
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She is saying your names with much enthusiasm. No, I
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said cheers for no reason. Saying your names with much enthusiasm. Cheers,
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not cheers.
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When you say cheers. I know I fucked up.
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Okay. Let's just move on.
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I'm just trying to deal with a whole little girl
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called Rupert. Secondly, when you say she is, it sounded
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like cheers.
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I didn't say she is.
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What did you say?
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Cheers.
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I said cheers by mistake.
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Say it.
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It's from the start.
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This is my two and a half year old son, Rupert,
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saying your names with much enthusiasm. The pod has kept
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me going through some dark times of postnatal depression.
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Oh, God.
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And now, I hope you're enjoying this, Rob.
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Yeah.
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I'm not laughing at the depression. I'm laughing at the awkwardness.
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The awkwardness of the situation. When the one show goes wrong,
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and now has me laughing through the deep joys of
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toddlerhood and currently potty training. Keep it sexy and relatable, please.
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I've got a really funny story, but I don't know.
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I won't say who it was, but I was speaking
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to this guy. It was a lovely guy.
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I met this guy and he was talking about his
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dealing with anxiety and stuff.
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It was a really nice open discussion. He was a
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bit older than me.
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So it's nice, I think for men, especially to talk
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about difficulties they've had. And he was talking about, he
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was very anxious and didn't leave the house for about
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three years. And he did some CBT therapy and now he's.
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Out about five.
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Now he's prime minister.
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So now he's out working and doing his job.
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Right.
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And it was really like encouraging story. Really nice story.
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He said his wife stuck with him, blah, blah, blah.
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And his kids and, He just was having a tough
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time and he did it. But he literally couldn't leave
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the house for three months. And then he was trying
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to get to a shop that was about a three-minute
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walk from his house.
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And it took him six months to get the courage up.
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So he was doing like five steps every week just
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to get him further and further. And even now that
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he says that he's got his coping mechanisms and he'll
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catch short of breath and go into having a panic attack,
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but he'll take himself away and do some breathing to
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calm himself down. So it was a really nice chat.
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He's a lovely, funny bloke as well. He went, And
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then I remember this time though, it really set me
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back a little bit. And when you sort of, you know,
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it's a funny story, but a little bit tragic as well.
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So it was like, I was building it up every week.
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I was going out and doing an extra five, six,
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five steps anyway. it got to the point where I
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was five steps away from the shop. So it was like,
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today was the day that I was actually going to
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go somewhere else.
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I wasn't just going to walk there and I was
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doing it, but I had to count in my head
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every one, two, three, four, five, next one, two, three, four, five.
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And I had a head down, I had my headphones in.
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I wasn't, I was trying to just be distracted from
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the world so I could get out in the world.
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It was walking and walking. Anyway, I got there.
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And then as I stepped onto the road like that,
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cause I wasn't looking, I was concentrating. A Prius came
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in and knocked me over.
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Okay, Nora.
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Oh, my God.
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I was like, all right, it weren't bad here, but
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I skidded back, landed in a puddle, and then the
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woman just.
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Got out and just shouted at me.
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Oh, my God.
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And I just burst into tears and went home and
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stayed in for six months.
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Oh, my God.
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Bless him.
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It was such a lovely guy. He was laughing about it.
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Where were you when you were having this discussion?
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At my house he was doing something in my house
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and i was just like and we laugh he was
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like he was telling it as a funny story but
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the way he said but i wasn't expecting that because
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he was still it was so.
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Like i was thinking shops closed that's where.
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I was thinking you were going it's shut two months
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ago yeah that's okay to say i've not named it
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he knows who he is and well done he was
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really should be really proud of doing that and also
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proud to be able to talk about it to people
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because i think sometimes you don't want Say you do
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get anxious like that and you can't leave the house
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and eventually you leave the house. I think some people
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will be like, don't bring that up anymore, he's out
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of the house now. But I think to be able
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to process it and talk about it is very important
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for them and also for other people to go, yeah,
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that did happen and that is part of who I am,
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but that's not what happens now. I think sometimes rather.
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Than closing the door on, you had a breakdown for
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two years, it's good to be honest about it and stuff.
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Very much so.
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When he's told me that story, because all the other
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stuff to tell you is like, And I had this
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and I had that. And then I had to do that.
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And it was very like informative. And I was being
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very like, showing a lot of empathy and listening. And
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I wasn't making any sort of jokes, which I normally
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do in social situations.
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I was like, no, I need to be respectful. Must
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have been a blessed relationship.
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This guy's opening up. So I need to be quite
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kind and considerate. And then he hit me with that.
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And I just couldn't, I just burst into laughter in
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his face. And he laughed as well.
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But again, I thought shot was going to be shot
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or he got there and his card didn't work.
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I didn't expect him to be run over.
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Yeah.
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Poor sod anyway don't.
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Know how we got into that well talking of people
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that have been through things today we've got Pete Doherty Rob.
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Oh god what a this is a real what a
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journey I loved I loved the Libertines and I love
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Pete Doherty from my youth that was a very exciting
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to interview him do you know what mental though was
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like I interviewed him and then about four days later
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I was in Stockton on tour and I drove past
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a tour bus and I went I know that tour
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bus here we go I recognise that tour bus. Why
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do I know that tour bus? And I remember it
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was the tour bus that Pete Doherty, like, he showed
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us the tour bus.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I was like, is that Pete Doherty's tour bus?
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And I looked it up. He was gigging in Stockton
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the exact same night as me.
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No.
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Did you go and say hi?
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No, no, no. No, it'd be weird, wouldn't it? Well, yeah.
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I was at separate venues across town.
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Do you know what, though?
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What a night in Stockton.
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Oh, what a night. People say that, you know... everything's
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going on in London. But one night in Stockton, you
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can choose Rob Beckett or Pete Doherty.
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Stockton, the home of the first ever train.
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The home of the first ever train.
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The first ever train journey was Stockton. And they had
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this mad, if you Google Stockton, look at this, right?
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I thought there was one. When I go to a theatre,
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I always say, what's happening in the local area? Is
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there anything I should be made aware of? So it
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wasn't in Birmingham. There was all like the bin strike.
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And you know that there's a thread that you can
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talk about. Or I remember I did a little village
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in Wales and Morrison's was going to shut down and
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it was a big news story. And so I just
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would refer back to that. And it shows, you know,
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and it's funny and they like it in the local area.
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And they went, oh, the mad steam train comes up
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in the town centre every hour.
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What?
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So you Google Stockton town centre train statue. I don't
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remember what it's called.
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Go on YouTube.
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It's like the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And I
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mentioned it and no one cared.
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Stockton Flyer.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Stockton Flyer. I don't even know if it's a statue,
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but it's moving. It pops up out the ground. Mechanical
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sculpture in Stockton-on-Tees.
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You see it?
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Yes.
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It comes out the ground. It's like an old steampunk
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train thing. It looks like a load of scrap metal.
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And it honks and bells and whistles and does it.
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Oh, wow.
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Look at that.
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It's mad, isn't it? That's great. Yeah, it's cool. Every hour,
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even at night.
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Fucking hell, that's cool.
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I don't know about that. Yeah, the Stockton Flyer.
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Have I ever told you about when I had to
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pretend not to be vegetarian in Stockton? No, why?
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I'm sure I've told you this.
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Stockton is properly the home of the old man pub.
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You know, proper than that old man working class pubs.
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There's loads there. All of it is proper, like spit
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and store dust pubs.
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It's cool.
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Yeah.
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Why did you have to pretend?
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So it was me and Susie Ruffalo supporting me.
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Yeah.
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And the guy who was organizing it, lovely bloke. He
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put on this huge, great spread for us.
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Oh, I think you've mentioned it. I've mentioned this before.
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Yeah.
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And you just had to eat it because you didn't
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want to.
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We did. We hid it because we didn't want to
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be rude. And then afterwards we asked him for advice
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on a curry house. And he said, oh, I'll come
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with you.
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Oh, so you had to eat meat again?
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No, no, we didn't eat it there. We hid it.
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We put it in our bags and left the wrappers
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there to make it look like.
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Right, okay.
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And then at the curry house.
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Is Sozi veggie as well?
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She was at the time.
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At the curry house, we were both like. A couple
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of veggie lesbians on tour.
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Yeah, we were both like, do.
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You know what? I fancy a veggie curry.
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Oh.
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I never normally have one. No, but do you know what?
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I had a lot of bloody meat back at the venue,
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so I'm a... I'm spammed off me nut, yeah? We
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put out such a nice spread, we thought we can't say.
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Oh, yeah.
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There we go.
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I had cottage cheese on toast in Stockton.
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Oh, very nice.
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Very nice.
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In the dressing room. Right, here's Pete Doherty, Josh.
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Enjoy.
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Yeah, enjoy, everyone.
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We're outside the O2 at the Docklands, I think.
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Oh, nice.
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Are you gigging tonight?
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Yes, we're playing Deptford tonight and Catford tomorrow.
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Oh, quality.
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So we're all here.
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The baby's here too. Unfortunately, she, well, fortunately, she's not
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awake yet. So I thought she might be able to
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join me.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, don't wake her up. Let her sleep if she's sleeping.
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She's well happy. She's got a little bunk. She's down there.
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Oh.
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So you take the whole family on tour?
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Yeah, we've got the dog, the wife, and the baby
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all at the end there.
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That was the reason I'm not allowed on the band
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bus anymore with the Libertines.
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I have to go on the crosswalk.
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Bus because they started getting out when I took the
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dogs and then the baby just went too far.
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Pete Doherty was cramping the party style.
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Yeah, I know. Can you imagine?
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How old is she now?
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She's 22 months.
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Nearly two.
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Yeah.
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You're still doing the months thing though?
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Yeah, no, well, it's funny, isn't it? Because I want
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to say one and a half, but it feels like
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I'm lying, do you know what I mean? And then
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you might judge her on how she's walking or not talking.
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Is she bilingual? Because you're in France, aren't you?
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Yeah, she is.
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I mean, she's not, like, speaking a lot, but when
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she does speak, like, with my wife, she'll say, encore. Encore?
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Encore, encore. And with me, she'll say, moi.
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Oh.
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They're two of her favourite words. That's all she really says, moi. Anka,
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or no.
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Well, they don't really speak that much at that age,
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do they, really? They're just running about, trying to jump
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off stuff and hit stuff, aren't they?
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Bang their head.
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Yeah, well, that's another reason why she loves the bus,
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because it's just like a big playground, really. In fact,
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we have this, because it's just acoustic shows we're doing.
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It's not like the Libertines.
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So is it a Libertines tour at the moment, or
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your own stuff?
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No, it's just acoustic. So she's been on stage with this.
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Oh, do you get her on stage?
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We didn't really want to. We didn't want her to
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be healthy, but to be honest, you can't keep her off.
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She just loves it.
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She spends most of the time, she's got this little dance.
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I don't know who she got it off. She doesn't
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move her back, back stays straight and it's just the
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legs that go down and she goes. It stays for
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about 40 minutes.
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My daughter did that.
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She was obsessed with Your Welcome from Moana, that song,
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you know, the Maui song. She would do that and
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just stand in front of it and bounce like that
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for like 10 times in a row.
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They love it. Has she got a favourite song she
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does that to? Is it the whole set?
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She has. This is a little song I wrote. Oh,
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I haven't got a guitar. I'd play it for you. Oh.
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I can get one out of the hold if you
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really like.
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Finish with the song. Finish with the song.
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All right, Jai, can you grab us an acoustic guitar
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out of the hold?
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Let's crack that one on the bunk.
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This is perfect.
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Cracked it.
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I should thank you for me and my daughter were
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listening to Run, Run, Run from the new Libertines album.
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And we were waiting to get the car washed and
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was listening to it and she loved it. And we
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put together an entire dance routine to it. Because it's
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with the arms running like that and then all the
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different lyrics in it. And she still dances to that
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on her own in her room because all the chicken
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in the land. So she's biting into a drumstick and
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then doing the strong thing with the arms and stuff
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like that. It's so cute when you have those little
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moments with your kids where you connect on a song
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and then when you're together and it plays, you can
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mess around like that.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely. That's one of my big joys really is
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just singing the songs. So I've got all the French
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nursery rhymes down now as well.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know them all.
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So are they the same as the English ones, but
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with different lyrics, or are they completely new?
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They're similar. I think of something like Three Blind Mice.
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It's actually quite a sinister song, do you know what
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I mean?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Four little mice get massacred by the neurotic farmer's wife.
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There's a few like that. There's probably the most popular one.
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There's one called Une Surivete, which means one green mouse.
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And it's... Une surivete, qui corrida.
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En l'herbe... There's a snail in there. Well, yeah, so
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it's about a mouse.
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He catched by the tail. He show him to the blokes.
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He say, what do I do with him? And they say, oh,
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stick him in the oil, stick him in the boiling
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water and cook up nice like a big fat snail.
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And we'll all eat him. It's like, But it's such
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a sweet, jaunty song.
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Yeah. Well, that's the beauty of hot music, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Talk me through your day when you're on tour with
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a kid and a dog and a family. Because I
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would find it stressful.
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If it was stressful for Billy May, we wouldn't do it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Oh, no, I'd find it stressful for myself.
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I think the kids would love it. It's harder for
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the parent, I think.
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Yeah.
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Because I'd be thinking, oh, I need to get, you know,
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not get in the zone or whatever, but, you know,
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all right, I've got to get to the theatre. Often
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before a gig, I just like to do nothing. Do
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you know what I mean? Are you like chasing?
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No, no, no.
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That's just impossible. That's like some far flung fantasy world.
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So she sleeps quite late.
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You know what I mean?
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She goes to bed late and she's never, ever been
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to crash or anything like that. She's always been with us.
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So she's very used to the tour bus, but she'll
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sleep quite late. She'll fall asleep about midnight or one.
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So I'll always make sure I'm up at about seven
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or eight to walk the dog. Yeah. I took Gladys
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out for about an hour.
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Just wherever you are, you just get off the bus
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and start walking.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, over the years, I've sort of got
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to know a lot, you know, in most towns in Europe, really.
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So I know all the spots where she can shit undisturbed.
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The weird knowledge you pick up as a touring singer.
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And then I'll either go back to bed or if
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I've had a good kick, I'll just sit up and
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have a cup of tea, have a cigarette. And then
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depending if the venue's let us in or not, I'll
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go in and use the facility to use the shower. And,
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and then normally sometime between 10 and one Billy may
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wake up and then it's.
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Just change a feeder showed a venue.
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Cause that's sort of, that was one of the first
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words as well was gig, gig, gig, go in the venue.
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And there's always something there. There's always, um, Trolley, there's
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always trolleys and that's her thing, do you know what
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I mean? So that's a good hour done that, just
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pushing around on a trolley.
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Well, yeah, because also she can just run around the whole,
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it's just an open empty space for her to run
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in circles.
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Same with Gladys as well.
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And the thing about having a dog and a baby
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is it's not, people don't see it every day. So
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you get one of these like cantankerous old monitor engineers
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who I've known for years, but they've never said hello
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to me. All of a sudden they're like, ah, you
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know what I mean? I've sort of managed to get
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a smile out of them finally after 20 years. This
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is the effect that a dog and a baby has
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on people. And then the days go very fast, really.
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Yeah. Soundcheck. And she loves all that.
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Obviously, she's got her little headphones. And she just takes
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everything in, really. She's obsessed with guitar stands.
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She loves that.
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She's not that interested in the guitar. She loves guitar stands,
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mic stands, drums. She loves to bang with the drums.
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There's always a support band with a set of drums.
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And then it just comes around fast, really, due to gig.
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There's obviously a lot of chaos involved. So hopefully she'll
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have a nap around that time. But if not, she'll probably,
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we try not to let her have too much screen time.
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Yeah.
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Lovely big TV on the bus.
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So probably, you know, for most of the time on stage,
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she'll be watching Peppa Pig.
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Yeah.
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On the screen. And then, I don't know. She's just really,
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she's kind of part of the team really. She's sort
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of growing up like this. Everyone's her uncle and auntie.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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All the crew is all her uncle and auntie and, And.
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Is there that thing, you know, like that it takes
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a village to bring up a kid, that old phrase,
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but I suppose touring is like a village, right?
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Absolutely.
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But also one of our guitar tech, my mate, who's
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my guitar tech and plays with me on stage, Andy Nilo,
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his son used to come on the bus a lot
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when he was a kid, when he was about 15.
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And now he's, now he's our sort of apprentice guitar
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tech as well. So she's got cousin Arlen and cousin Andy.
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It does feel like a big family anyway, this, you know.
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It's nice to keep that routine as well. Like, you know,
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cause if you go away for a long time, you'll
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miss it. You won't spend any time with her. And
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at this age, they can just fit in around you.
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I wouldn't be able to.
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Do it if she didn't feel comfortable. She wasn't happy.
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I just wouldn't be able to do it because I don't,
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I want to be with her.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I've missed opportunities in the past to be a father
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and I, I don't want to miss this one.
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You know what I mean?
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Because you do have an older daughter.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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I don't, I don't see her at all, but I
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have an older son. He's 21 now.
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And we are, We probably speak and see each other
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more now than we ever have.
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Oh, that's nice.
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And even then, it's not that much. But he's met
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Billy May as well. He's been doing a few. He's
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doing something. He's getting involved in bands. And he got
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up and did a poem before one of the Libertines shows.
505
00:18:10.069 --> 00:18:10.700
Oh, wow.
506
00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.230
So Billy May's seen him, yeah, still.
507
00:18:13.549 --> 00:18:15.670
Are you the only, I don't know the answer to this,
508
00:18:15.690 --> 00:18:17.789
are you the only dad in the Libertines?
509
00:18:17.990 --> 00:18:21.599
No, no, no, no, no. Watched all their kids grow up. Yeah.
510
00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.660
Do they bring their kids on tour and stuff?
511
00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.460
No, absolutely not. John's kids, John's missus and kids turned
512
00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.900
up for one show. I was like, oh, it's great,
513
00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:32.099
isn't it? It's great having kids in the United.
514
00:18:32.619 --> 00:18:37.180
It's horses for courses, isn't it? I quite like the
515
00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:40.460
vibe of just us all being together and staying together.
516
00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:42.940
Paul McCartney used to do that. All his kids used
517
00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:43.420
to go with wings.
518
00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:45.380
I always had in mind that it was at the
519
00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.049
peak of his, when the Beatles split up, it was
520
00:18:48.069 --> 00:18:48.769
all that era.
521
00:18:49.009 --> 00:18:52.410
And he was under extreme scrutiny from the press.
522
00:18:52.450 --> 00:18:54.430
And he just packed his kids up and took them
523
00:18:54.450 --> 00:18:56.710
all to a Scottish island, Mulliken Tire.
524
00:18:56.730 --> 00:18:56.829
Yeah.
525
00:18:57.579 --> 00:18:58.900
And then when he did go on the road, he
526
00:18:58.940 --> 00:19:00.559
just took them all with him in the van. And
527
00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.460
I always liked that. It was stuck in my head, that. No,
528
00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:05.720
but I think I'm right in saying the rest of
529
00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:08.359
the Libertines see Torian as an opportunity to get away
530
00:19:08.420 --> 00:19:08.720
from them.
531
00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.799
Yes, yes.
532
00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.319
That's probably going to come back and bite me on
533
00:19:11.339 --> 00:19:12.200
the arse, that statement.
534
00:19:12.339 --> 00:19:14.579
Yeah.
535
00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:18.039
So would you like to chat about parenting and stuff
536
00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:21.259
with the rest of the Libertines? Yeah, absolutely.
537
00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.259
They've all got, funny enough, they've all got two kids each.
538
00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:24.799
Yeah.
539
00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.680
They're all good parents. I know and love their kids
540
00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:32.579
and their missuses. And yeah, and obviously they're full of advice.
541
00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.140
You know what I mean?
542
00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:34.920
Good advice, I think.
543
00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:37.740
I think when Billy May was first born and we
544
00:19:37.779 --> 00:19:42.650
were doing a residential recording or rehearsal somewhere, Gary was
545
00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.789
amazing at getting her to sleep.
546
00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:47.049
You know what I mean? When she was crying and
547
00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:50.250
he taught me some amazing moves. all in the hips.
548
00:19:50.029 --> 00:19:54.230
Apparently yeah i've been informed me that apparently it's absolutely
549
00:19:54.250 --> 00:19:57.569
essential that billy may has a younger brother or sister.
550
00:19:57.230 --> 00:20:00.589
I really do you think you'll go again i better ask.
551
00:20:00.509 --> 00:20:03.599
My wife about that i think i would love to
552
00:20:03.630 --> 00:20:04.619
build an army do you.
553
00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.220
Know i mean yeah i mean it's early but like
554
00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:09.809
obviously you say your son's done like a Poem Before
555
00:20:09.829 --> 00:20:13.789
the Libertines and stuff. Obviously, music's so central to your life.
556
00:20:14.509 --> 00:20:16.130
Would you be trying to get her into kind of
557
00:20:16.289 --> 00:20:18.190
playing instruments and stuff early doors?
558
00:20:18.470 --> 00:20:20.029
I wouldn't get her into it. I'd just leave them
559
00:20:20.089 --> 00:20:25.470
around everywhere. And if she chooses, you know what I mean? Yeah.
560
00:20:25.650 --> 00:20:27.130
I'll be absolutely thrilled, you know what I mean?
561
00:20:27.450 --> 00:20:29.059
Yeah. And what about QPR?
562
00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:31.339
Oh, yeah, no, she's been to... I've taken her to
563
00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:34.119
see Rangers already, yeah. Have you? Yeah, yeah.
564
00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:36.880
I took her to see QPR Preston and she slept
565
00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.700
from the fourth minute She slept right through to the
566
00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:41.339
final whistle.
567
00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.519
It was unbelievable.
568
00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:44.839
Is it not too loud?
569
00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.000
She has the little headphones as well. It can get
570
00:20:48.059 --> 00:20:51.220
loud at QPR, yes, thank you very much. She was
571
00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.509
actually born in the hospital called the Monod Hospital, the
572
00:20:54.549 --> 00:20:59.450
Jacques Monod Hospital, which overlooks Le Havre's ground, where we live,
573
00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:01.750
where she was born. And she was born the night
574
00:21:01.789 --> 00:21:04.170
they went up to, well, she was born the night
575
00:21:04.210 --> 00:21:06.609
before the night they went up back to the top
576
00:21:06.650 --> 00:21:09.769
flight in France. So we've been there more than we've
577
00:21:09.789 --> 00:21:12.450
been at QPR because it's closer. You know what I mean?
578
00:21:12.769 --> 00:21:15.380
She's a regular feature. Also, we get passes there to
579
00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:16.390
the director's box.
580
00:21:16.539 --> 00:21:17.559
Oh, wow.
581
00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.160
Quite cool to have two teams, though, QPR and Le Havre.
582
00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:22.880
Well, yeah, because I don't get over that often, you
583
00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:24.819
know what I mean, to see Rangers. But it is
584
00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:25.180
a thrill.
585
00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:25.859
It is the ultimate.
586
00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.400
I get very sentimental now as well.
587
00:21:27.579 --> 00:21:29.460
I mean, this isn't the topic, but that ground is
588
00:21:29.619 --> 00:21:32.480
so great. Loftus Road, it just feels like one of
589
00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:35.119
the old, like, it feels like such an old school ground.
590
00:21:35.259 --> 00:21:36.579
I think it does matter, though, because it is like,
591
00:21:36.700 --> 00:21:40.119
football is a family tradition thing to go and experience
592
00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:41.000
the highs and lows.
593
00:21:41.059 --> 00:21:42.900
It sort of brings families together, doesn't it? That's why
594
00:21:42.940 --> 00:21:44.609
football's so tribal, isn't it?
595
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.029
Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Why would she
596
00:21:47.089 --> 00:21:49.670
ever even dream about supporting QPR unless I force it
597
00:21:49.750 --> 00:21:50.269
on her, you know?
598
00:21:50.309 --> 00:21:54.269
Yeah, exactly. She's going to know the words Les Ferdinand.
599
00:21:54.289 --> 00:21:56.930
Yeah, he's already on her wall.
600
00:21:56.990 --> 00:21:57.289
I know.
601
00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:00.720
You'll be showing a Trevor Sinclair. Did Trevor Sinclair play for.
602
00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:01.619
That overhead kick.
603
00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:02.640
What a girl.
604
00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:03.829
Oh, what a girl.
605
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.609
And she'll know all about that in the south of France,
606
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.289
talking to her schoolmates, telling them about that.
607
00:22:08.309 --> 00:22:08.829
North-west of France.
608
00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:09.690
Oh, sorry, north-west.
609
00:22:09.950 --> 00:22:14.569
So your book, The Parenting Book, the things your parents
610
00:22:15.049 --> 00:22:16.490
should have told you but were too busy.
611
00:22:16.509 --> 00:22:19.509
Yeah. That was a gift for me when Billy May
612
00:22:19.529 --> 00:22:21.329
was born from Gary, our drummer.
613
00:22:21.769 --> 00:22:22.289
Amazing.
614
00:22:22.329 --> 00:22:26.900
So he's been in our downstairs toilet in France for... Well,
615
00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.599
for nearly two years now. I've looked through it over
616
00:22:30.619 --> 00:22:31.660
the years and it's hilarious.
617
00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:32.750
It is funny. Oh, thank you.
618
00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.559
Thanks, Pete. It's mad to think that you're reading that.
619
00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.730
I first saw the Libertines. I think I've said this
620
00:22:39.750 --> 00:22:44.170
to you before. I saw the Libertines in 2003 in Liverpool.
621
00:22:44.450 --> 00:22:47.609
I caught your towel and I can't, I don't know
622
00:22:47.630 --> 00:22:49.890
where it is, but it's somewhere in a box somewhere.
623
00:22:49.970 --> 00:22:55.299
I've got Pete Doherty's towel from 2003. Liverpool University would
624
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:56.660
this be? Do you remember this gig?
625
00:22:56.670 --> 00:22:58.490
Yeah, it's the one that did the Bandits play and
626
00:22:59.450 --> 00:22:59.990
Kill City.
627
00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:00.730
Yeah.
628
00:23:00.970 --> 00:23:02.230
Yeah, I remember that gig, yeah.
629
00:23:02.490 --> 00:23:04.950
Yeah, oh, I met the guy from Kill City at
630
00:23:05.269 --> 00:23:08.049
Ellis James' wedding. Rob Brydon's brother.
631
00:23:08.609 --> 00:23:09.789
Yeah, Welsh Pete, yeah.
632
00:23:09.910 --> 00:23:11.750
Welsh Pete, yeah.
633
00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:14.990
That was his nickname in Camden. People were always just
634
00:23:15.069 --> 00:23:17.430
nicknamed from where they were from. Doncaster Mick, Welsh Pete,
635
00:23:17.450 --> 00:23:18.390
Scarborough Steve and.
636
00:23:18.730 --> 00:23:19.869
Amazing. Yeah, you know what I mean?
637
00:23:20.309 --> 00:23:21.910
Well, I'd like to say Josh was like that, Brian,
638
00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:22.750
too much to soak up your arse.
639
00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:24.809
A massive Libertines fan, a big fan of yours for years.
640
00:23:24.829 --> 00:23:26.329
I used to listen to up the.
641
00:23:26.289 --> 00:23:29.809
Bracket when I was stacking yogurts in a supermarket on
642
00:23:29.829 --> 00:23:30.589
the 6 a.m.
643
00:23:30.670 --> 00:23:31.910
Shift till 3 p.m.
644
00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:32.670
In the afternoon.
645
00:23:33.089 --> 00:23:34.349
And it was the only thing that got me through
646
00:23:34.390 --> 00:23:34.829
the shift.
647
00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:38.670
But it's mad to, from seeing your sort of life,
648
00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:41.410
it's mad to see your sort of full circle and
649
00:23:41.910 --> 00:23:42.849
the stuff you've gone through.
650
00:23:42.710 --> 00:23:43.559
And where you are now.
651
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.650
And now you're this family man in a tour bus
652
00:23:45.670 --> 00:23:47.859
of his little, you know, one year and a half.
653
00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:51.519
I think it's easily, I wouldn't say the happiest I've been.
654
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.759
It's a funny word, happy, isn't it? But it's the
655
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:58.039
most content. Yeah, I just feel at peace, you know.
656
00:23:58.079 --> 00:23:59.589
I love her.
657
00:23:59.609 --> 00:24:02.470
Do you feel like it's a second chance in a way?
658
00:24:02.509 --> 00:24:03.380
I do, I think it is.
659
00:24:03.589 --> 00:24:05.769
Without wanting to freak anyone out, I think it is God.
660
00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:09.190
God has a plan for you, whoever or whatever he is.
661
00:24:09.230 --> 00:24:11.990
You know, maybe it's just a gas, but that gas
662
00:24:12.269 --> 00:24:15.079
has a plan for you. And I think it has
663
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.480
love for us, you know what I mean? And I
664
00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:19.519
believe that I have had a second chance.
665
00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:24.440
And you're going to Glastonbury. You're doing Libertines and Pete Doherty,
666
00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:24.980
two gigs.
667
00:24:25.099 --> 00:24:25.299
Yeah.
668
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.500
So you're going to take her to Glastonbury?
669
00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:28.539
Oh, no, absolutely.
670
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:29.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
671
00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:29.700
Absolutely.
672
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:30.279
Yeah.
673
00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:32.920
I mean, she's kind of too young, really, to enjoy
674
00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:35.000
a lot. It's like you say in your book about,
675
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.019
you know, you can get the coolest present in the world,
676
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:38.900
but she just wants to chew the dog's tail on
677
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:41.019
Christmas Day. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Kind
678
00:24:41.059 --> 00:24:43.279
of still at that age, and yet not. It's like
679
00:24:43.329 --> 00:24:46.890
Katya thinks my wife insists that she understands everything.
680
00:24:47.069 --> 00:24:47.329
Yeah.
681
00:24:47.589 --> 00:24:50.930
And that, you know, she'd never underestimate a 21 and
682
00:24:50.950 --> 00:24:52.210
a half old month old.
683
00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:55.740
LAUGHTER It's true, they do. They take it all in
684
00:24:55.769 --> 00:24:57.829
and remember stuff. And as they get older as well,
685
00:24:58.289 --> 00:25:01.849
you say something as a throwaway comment. I remember when
686
00:25:01.869 --> 00:25:05.329
my daughter's been playing football and no one actually tackles,
687
00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:06.769
they sort of just stand near each other trying to
688
00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:08.609
get the ball. And I just said to her, if
689
00:25:08.650 --> 00:25:11.069
you just kick the ball quite hard, you'll get that
690
00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:12.589
ball and then be able to go on an attack.
691
00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:13.730
There's a throwaway comment.
692
00:25:13.750 --> 00:25:15.410
And then like that was about two years ago. And
693
00:25:15.430 --> 00:25:17.339
then she was at a football party. Yeah, you remember
694
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:18.880
that thing you said to me, Dad, about. And then
695
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:20.599
I'm going, what the fuck did I say? You know
696
00:25:20.619 --> 00:25:22.039
what I mean? There's so much pressure because they take
697
00:25:22.099 --> 00:25:24.000
it all in. And I kicked it off and I
698
00:25:24.019 --> 00:25:25.240
got it off of them. And I was like, all right.
699
00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:28.720
But you think these throwaway comments to them, you are everything.
700
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:31.099
Mum and Dad are like the people that know everything.
701
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:31.880
They're in charge.
702
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.160
So there's that pressure of whatever you say, they are
703
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.319
taking it in, even at a young age. And you
704
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.289
sort of think, hopefully I'm saying the right stuff.
705
00:25:39.029 --> 00:25:41.069
It was just me and her at the back of
706
00:25:41.089 --> 00:25:43.009
the bus yesterday. We were on the motorway and we're
707
00:25:43.029 --> 00:25:45.529
looking out the window.
708
00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:48.730
Just for the listeners, Pete has just pulled down the
709
00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:52.750
kind of window blind thing to show what is quite
710
00:25:52.769 --> 00:25:54.849
a depressing scene, isn't it, Pete?
711
00:25:54.869 --> 00:25:55.559
It's a car park.
712
00:25:55.579 --> 00:25:57.299
So I was thinking I want to be able to
713
00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.599
go for the next hour and a half on the
714
00:25:59.619 --> 00:26:01.480
motorway without putting the screens on. You know, that was
715
00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:02.119
kind of my aim.
716
00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:02.480
Yeah.
717
00:26:03.019 --> 00:26:07.859
And she was so happy, just looking out the window going, ooh, car. Oh, papa.
718
00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:09.779
Oh, because she calls me papa, by the way, not
719
00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:11.740
because we're posh, because that's what.
720
00:26:11.619 --> 00:26:13.539
The French say for dads. Yeah, right.
721
00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:18.119
I'm working on that anyway. Call me daddy if you want.
722
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:19.420
And she went, okay, papa.
723
00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:21.839
And she was just for ages just.
724
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:22.779
Going, ooh, car.
725
00:26:23.180 --> 00:26:25.650
Oh, another car, car, car.
726
00:26:25.690 --> 00:26:26.690
And I'm like, yeah, yeah.
727
00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:27.410
Great.
728
00:26:27.430 --> 00:26:29.089
So imagine her at Glastonbury, you know what I mean?
729
00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:30.670
Ooh, 26-foot man on stilts.
730
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.099
You know what i mean a.
731
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:40.710
Golf buggy with the bright little valvian flag.
732
00:26:39.390 --> 00:26:41.549
Obviously there's going to come a point and i don't
733
00:26:41.569 --> 00:26:45.430
know whether you've engaged in this where she's gonna be
734
00:26:45.470 --> 00:26:51.180
a teenager and she's gonna be exposed to life's temptations.
735
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:52.299
No not billy may no.
736
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:59.220
How does pete doherty deal with a child saying to
737
00:26:59.259 --> 00:27:03.269
them the dangers of drinking and drugs and stuff like
738
00:27:03.309 --> 00:27:04.529
that i.
739
00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:06.950
Don't know really i haven't i've got i suppose a
740
00:27:06.990 --> 00:27:09.390
little while to to think about that i suppose i'll
741
00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:12.650
just be i'll just be very honest with her i think.
742
00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:15.299
And do you feel like now like with your wife
743
00:27:15.339 --> 00:27:17.559
settled in france do you feel like you're bringing her
744
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.460
up in a friend like because there's different in parenting
745
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.299
with french and british parenting and your dad was like
746
00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:26.519
quite was he a military man or something yeah he
747
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.869
was very strict yeah And so do you feel like
748
00:27:30.170 --> 00:27:33.329
this is a very different childhood to yours?
749
00:27:33.710 --> 00:27:34.569
Oh, with Billy Mays?
750
00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:36.049
Yeah, I mean, it couldn't be more.
751
00:27:36.410 --> 00:27:38.190
No, it'd be like if he'd taken me with him
752
00:27:38.210 --> 00:27:44.859
to the Gulf War. Do you know what I mean?
753
00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:46.880
It would have been an experience, wouldn't it?
754
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.660
But you know what?
755
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.099
I'd have loved it as well. I remember really missing him.
756
00:27:51.380 --> 00:27:53.059
It was a long time away when he went to
757
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.920
Bosnia in the Gulf. And, you know, he was away
758
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.000
for years. You know, he had it all up. if
759
00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:00.589
I could have, if I'd have joined the army at 10,
760
00:28:00.589 --> 00:28:01.349
do you know what I mean?
761
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.509
Just to be with him. Just to be with him, yeah.
762
00:28:04.049 --> 00:28:05.509
And so do you think about stuff like that when
763
00:28:05.529 --> 00:28:07.630
you bring her away on tour and stuff? You're like,
764
00:28:07.690 --> 00:28:09.529
I don't want her to have the same thing that
765
00:28:09.990 --> 00:28:11.569
happened when I was missing my dad.
766
00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:13.970
No, I don't really think of it like that because
767
00:28:13.990 --> 00:28:15.210
she's a lot younger, do you know what I mean?
768
00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.990
And I just feel very, very close to her.
769
00:28:19.329 --> 00:28:20.349
I mean, I need to.
770
00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:22.869
Have her around and I kind of panic if I
771
00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:24.250
don't see her for too long, do you know what
772
00:28:24.269 --> 00:28:26.549
I mean? It's so easy and things can happen so fast,
773
00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:28.549
you know what I mean? It's, you can't let them
774
00:28:28.569 --> 00:28:30.470
out of your sight for a second. You know what
775
00:28:30.529 --> 00:28:30.710
I mean?
776
00:28:30.730 --> 00:28:30.869
So yeah.
777
00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:33.789
Especially at that age, it's just constantly just running at
778
00:28:33.849 --> 00:28:36.250
danger and you're just hunched over the whole time.
779
00:28:36.470 --> 00:28:37.029
Bad back.
780
00:28:37.309 --> 00:28:39.990
Jumping up, climbing, jumping off things. And you know what
781
00:28:40.009 --> 00:28:40.869
I mean? It's so good.
782
00:28:40.910 --> 00:28:45.019
The dog is, is good natured because she's always sticking
783
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:45.900
things up his nose.
784
00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:48.079
And you know, you've got to be like, no, I
785
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.220
don't think Gladys likes.
786
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:54.460
That Billy May. She's like, uncle, uncle, you get another
787
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:55.119
crane up there.
788
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:55.279
Yeah.
789
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.839
Have you got a plan of sending her to nursery
790
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.559
or preschool stuff? Will she go to school in France?
791
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:02.220
Is that the idea?
792
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.140
I'm going to probably leave that.
793
00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:06.039
Let's ask my wife what she's doing.
794
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:07.509
Watch out. Let's ask her.
795
00:29:08.269 --> 00:29:11.789
What's going on? What the plan is. She's not sleeping,
796
00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:12.069
is she?
797
00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:13.390
She'll be dozing.
798
00:29:14.069 --> 00:29:14.690
Boo-boo.
799
00:29:16.109 --> 00:29:19.210
Catch you. Do you remember that? Remember the book we had?
800
00:29:19.269 --> 00:29:20.390
We've got parents in hell.
801
00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:23.250
These are the lads that wrote it.
802
00:29:24.220 --> 00:29:28.079
Oh yeah good morning morning sorry what kind of plan do.
803
00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:29.799
You mean what do you mean is she going to
804
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.299
go to school in france and then.
805
00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:41.250
Of course and then so then does that mean Pete
806
00:29:41.329 --> 00:29:44.069
because Pete likes to take her on tour so how
807
00:29:44.109 --> 00:29:45.130
would that we've been.
808
00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:47.470
Told that the first years it's okay to go.
809
00:29:47.309 --> 00:29:49.269
Away a bit ah yes.
810
00:29:48.970 --> 00:29:51.970
So I think the plan is yeah school and going
811
00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:54.920
away when there's a tour and then when they don't
812
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.720
let us do that anymore well Peter stops touring laughing.
813
00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:04.809
I was thinking she's going to learn a lot on tour.
814
00:30:04.849 --> 00:30:07.549
You know what I mean? You can already deal cars
815
00:30:07.589 --> 00:30:08.650
and change guitar strings.
816
00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:11.769
For a job. Yeah.
817
00:30:11.849 --> 00:30:13.789
I would say we just drag her out of school
818
00:30:13.849 --> 00:30:15.809
and take her on the road. You know what I mean?
819
00:30:16.089 --> 00:30:16.349
Yeah.
820
00:30:16.369 --> 00:30:18.890
Well, that is an option. Pete wants to be called Daddy,
821
00:30:18.950 --> 00:30:19.890
not Papa as well.
822
00:30:20.269 --> 00:30:20.549
I know.
823
00:30:20.589 --> 00:30:21.990
I love Papa, though. I don't know.
824
00:30:22.029 --> 00:30:22.789
That's her choice.
825
00:30:22.829 --> 00:30:25.299
That's not me. No pressure.
826
00:30:25.450 --> 00:30:28.119
We can develop gigs at schools.
827
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:33.039
She's sleeping well, huh? Yeah, she woke up early and
828
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:33.980
then she went back to bed.
829
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:36.980
Seven. There we go.
830
00:30:37.029 --> 00:30:39.329
That's a real insight into family life on the bus.
831
00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:41.369
Where we live is very rural.
832
00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:45.609
They've had a lot of problems with demographic changes. Everyone
833
00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:48.750
goes to Paris or Le Havre, so there's been problems
834
00:30:48.769 --> 00:30:49.930
with schools closing.
835
00:30:50.990 --> 00:30:52.549
By the time she's a school age, there might not
836
00:30:52.609 --> 00:30:53.029
even be.
837
00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:54.049
A school anymore in the village.
838
00:30:54.069 --> 00:30:54.970
Oh, okay.
839
00:30:55.089 --> 00:31:00.130
I bet you never thought 20.
840
00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:02.640
Years ago that you'd be worrying about demographic changes affecting
841
00:31:02.660 --> 00:31:03.500
your local schools.
842
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.140
I've always done my bit for the local community.
843
00:31:09.339 --> 00:31:11.140
Do a fundraiser to keep the school going.
844
00:31:11.539 --> 00:31:14.589
Certain members of our local community back in East London,
845
00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:18.170
I put their kids through college.
846
00:31:18.990 --> 00:31:20.589
If she was brilliant at football, would she play for
847
00:31:20.630 --> 00:31:21.450
France or England?
848
00:31:21.710 --> 00:31:21.970
Wow.
849
00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:22.890
What would that be?
850
00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:26.319
The best dilemma to have. Wow. I can talk about that.
851
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.039
I mean, the French kit is fucking cool.
852
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:31.480
It is cooler.
853
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.200
And yet, you know, the.
854
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.359
Three lions, or leopards as they are, actually, a little
855
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.230
more historical fact, maybe, but who knows what, I mean,
856
00:31:40.250 --> 00:31:42.609
the way politics are going these days, the two countries
857
00:31:42.650 --> 00:31:44.750
could have merged by then.
858
00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:46.910
Could you play for Ireland as well?
859
00:31:46.950 --> 00:31:47.170
Yeah.
860
00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:47.650
Have you got Irish?
861
00:31:47.670 --> 00:31:50.410
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That'd be such a problem to have.
862
00:31:50.470 --> 00:31:52.430
I mean, really, that'd be my dream. I had this
863
00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:55.940
chat with a French granddad He's like, a what?
864
00:31:56.180 --> 00:31:57.519
A footballer? No, no, no.
865
00:31:58.099 --> 00:31:58.640
No, no, no.
866
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.299
Is this going to be a doctor or a lawyer?
867
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.039
Do you know what I mean?
868
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:02.420
Yeah, yeah.
869
00:32:02.779 --> 00:32:04.200
And I was like, that would be the ultimate.
870
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:05.299
More than a musician?
871
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.410
Yeah. If she could play with QPR ladies, it just.
872
00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:10.430
Would you prefer to be a footballer than a musician?
873
00:32:10.509 --> 00:32:10.950
Oh, God.
874
00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:13.130
Everyone would, wouldn't they? I'd prefer to be a footballer
875
00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:13.690
than a comedian.
876
00:32:14.049 --> 00:32:17.049
That was my dream, really, was to be a footballer.
877
00:32:17.210 --> 00:32:19.190
I didn't have the pace, really, do you know what
878
00:32:19.390 --> 00:32:19.750
I mean?
879
00:32:19.769 --> 00:32:20.299
Were you good?
880
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:22.940
Was I good? Yeah, you and my school team, was
881
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:23.259
I good?
882
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.299
Who's excellent.
883
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.079
Oh, it's this guy.
884
00:32:25.099 --> 00:32:25.500
Hello, mate.
885
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:26.839
More people arriving.
886
00:32:26.859 --> 00:32:29.319
This is my friend and a manager who actually played
887
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.299
semi-professional football. Oh, did he?
888
00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:32.359
Were you better than Pete?
889
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:33.140
On my day.
890
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:34.759
On your day. Who did you play for?
891
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:40.079
Worcester City and Telford and sort of just below the conference, really.
892
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:40.849
Oh, nice.
893
00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:43.509
Was you the guy that passed a cup of tea
894
00:32:43.609 --> 00:32:45.490
over after he asked for a guitar as well?
895
00:32:45.509 --> 00:32:47.990
That's the one, yeah.
896
00:32:49.289 --> 00:32:51.210
So we met at school and I tried to get
897
00:32:51.250 --> 00:32:54.519
Jio to play bass For the Libertines, very early days,
898
00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:57.619
and he just signed for Worcester. So he didn't come
899
00:32:57.660 --> 00:33:00.279
down to London. But years later, when I was struggling
900
00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:02.950
to find someone to trust, I got him to manage me,
901
00:33:02.990 --> 00:33:04.970
and he's still a manager. And we run the record
902
00:33:04.990 --> 00:33:05.849
label together as well.
903
00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:07.190
Amazing. Amazing.
904
00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:10.289
Are you enjoying this? Now you're on a slightly more
905
00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:13.369
positive track with your life. Are you enjoying this run
906
00:33:13.509 --> 00:33:17.119
with the Libertines more than the initial one? Or are
907
00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:18.200
you enjoying it in a different way?
908
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:19.720
It's definitely in a different way.
909
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.329
Yeah, everything was so new then, you know, just even
910
00:33:23.349 --> 00:33:25.890
the idea of being on a, being on a tour
911
00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:28.130
bus then, or even like, it was still just, you know,
912
00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:29.890
getting up on stage with equipment that worked.
913
00:33:29.950 --> 00:33:32.029
It was just so, everything was new.
914
00:33:32.049 --> 00:33:34.450
And now we dreamt so long of, you know, launching
915
00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:38.089
the Albion and, and sailing around the world. And it's
916
00:33:38.130 --> 00:33:42.849
a different type of feeling. I think we play better now.
917
00:33:43.509 --> 00:33:45.390
It's less sort of frantic and we're all kind of
918
00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:46.089
on the same page.
919
00:33:47.049 --> 00:33:47.490
I don't know.
920
00:33:47.549 --> 00:33:50.289
It was almost like, you know, you see, The way
921
00:33:50.349 --> 00:33:51.730
I saw things was different. You know, when you see
922
00:33:51.769 --> 00:33:54.369
medieval maps of the world and everything's the wrong shape
923
00:33:54.450 --> 00:33:57.109
and everything's just a blob because most of the world
924
00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.299
was unmapped and uncharted. You know, that was like how
925
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.039
I see it those days in my head. It's just
926
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.240
like an amorphous, bulbous, petri dish.
927
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.599
I don't know. But now everything's a bit more mapped out.
928
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.280
Yeah. Do you talk about it as a band? Do
929
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.639
you ever sit around and reminisce?
930
00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:16.900
Yeah, yeah, we do. We do, which is why I
931
00:34:16.969 --> 00:34:19.949
started this... Put together a little. I know it's a
932
00:34:19.989 --> 00:34:23.090
bit weird to do a fanzine for yourself. It's more
933
00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:27.449
of a, it's called, we're on strap and it's sort
934
00:34:27.469 --> 00:34:29.849
of a Libertines. What I did, because Carl is very difficult.
935
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.539
He doesn't really like to talk in the morning. And
936
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.000
so I left a typewriter on the bus and we
937
00:34:36.019 --> 00:34:40.420
were communicating by written missives for the best part of
938
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.159
the tour. And I put them in there and there's
939
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.210
lyrics and artwork.
940
00:34:45.230 --> 00:34:46.969
You made your own Libertines fanzine?
941
00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:50.530
Basically, yeah. Amazing. And it's got some fan stuff in there,
942
00:34:50.550 --> 00:34:51.210
like a picture.
943
00:34:51.349 --> 00:34:52.989
And messages to each other in the mornings.
944
00:34:53.289 --> 00:34:58.130
Yeah, a picture of some kids through on stage, six-year-old fan,
945
00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:02.570
and short stories about a pub in Ireland. It's called Onstrap.
946
00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:06.840
They're £ 10 each. You can only get them by post, though.
947
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.400
There's no online content.
948
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.099
Is that your address?
949
00:35:10.539 --> 00:35:13.340
No, it's not my address. It's a local bistro who
950
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.639
said I could use their PO box.
951
00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:18.869
So how do you order one of these fanzines?
952
00:35:19.250 --> 00:35:21.130
I just splash the address up on the screen if
953
00:35:21.170 --> 00:35:21.550
you could.
954
00:35:21.929 --> 00:35:24.889
Yeah, so the on-strap fanzine, care of, what is it?
955
00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:26.130
The Heavy Horse.
956
00:35:26.489 --> 00:35:28.590
That's my nom de plume, the Heavy Horse.
957
00:35:28.929 --> 00:35:31.389
The Heavy Horse Hotel. And then we can screenshot that
958
00:35:31.449 --> 00:35:31.789
and post it.
959
00:35:31.849 --> 00:35:36.789
Okay, La Rue General Leclerc, 7669 O, Etretat, Normandy, France.
960
00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:38.750
But I was looking through that and there's a lot
961
00:35:38.829 --> 00:35:42.130
in there that touches on the sentimental, but also kind
962
00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:46.050
of analyses our relationship. It's quite cryptic, but it's all
963
00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:46.889
in there. Do you know what I mean?
964
00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:49.389
And you sending these out yourself pete.
965
00:35:49.670 --> 00:35:52.730
I sell them actually i my wife walks around and
966
00:35:52.750 --> 00:35:54.469
sells them at the gigs and i sort of do
967
00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:56.659
a reading from him and then i i point her
968
00:35:56.699 --> 00:36:00.619
out and she because it's cash only so speaking of
969
00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:03.300
the england flag i've got the i've got gladys as
970
00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:08.210
the normandy lion there.
971
00:36:07.030 --> 00:36:08.750
And you've got a new album out i got a.
972
00:36:08.710 --> 00:36:10.809
New album out called felt better alive yet.
973
00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:12.659
The single felt better alive as well.
974
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:14.000
Single of the same name, yeah.
975
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.639
What's the process of writing and recording an album these
976
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.940
days for you? Is the family all around you while
977
00:36:20.980 --> 00:36:21.760
you're recording the album?
978
00:36:21.820 --> 00:36:24.389
While I'm recording, yeah. And generally when I'm writing it,
979
00:36:24.860 --> 00:36:26.809
unless I'm writing with someone else, it'll just be a
980
00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:29.090
stolen night. You know what I mean? I'll go down
981
00:36:29.130 --> 00:36:32.170
at two in the morning and just, you know what
982
00:36:32.190 --> 00:36:35.050
I mean? Try and tempt the muses. But, you know,
983
00:36:35.090 --> 00:36:37.949
it's funny. She's been, May's been in the, always been
984
00:36:37.969 --> 00:36:40.840
in the recording we forgot there's a lovely recording studio
985
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.019
called Femme de Gristan in Normandy and they give us
986
00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:47.960
a really good rate and it's an old hippie couple
987
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.929
there and he's got loads of vintage cars and motorbikes
988
00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:54.250
they've kind of got a swamp that circles their studio
989
00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:57.210
and in the summer it's perfect for the dogs and
990
00:36:57.489 --> 00:37:01.050
for the babby they're just in this safe space but
991
00:37:01.090 --> 00:37:05.510
there's you know there's wild pigs and and Deer and Badger,
992
00:37:05.530 --> 00:37:07.349
so the dog would have a good time. And Billy
993
00:37:07.369 --> 00:37:10.409
May's been there four or five times. Been quite productive since.
994
00:37:10.489 --> 00:37:14.670
If you think she was born in the months between
995
00:37:14.889 --> 00:37:18.010
me writing the Libs album and writing the solo album,
996
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:20.289
which sort of merged a little bit. A lot of
997
00:37:20.309 --> 00:37:23.699
the songs I'm using for the solo album, basically they
998
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.760
didn't want for the Liberties album, but you know what
999
00:37:25.780 --> 00:37:28.179
I mean? They're lost because there's some fucking tunes. So
1000
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.179
it was quite a productive time. creative period like.
1001
00:37:31.059 --> 00:37:33.780
I think having kids can increase productivity because you really
1002
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.639
appreciate time yeah do you know what i mean because
1003
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.289
it's taken away from you so you have that if
1004
00:37:38.309 --> 00:37:39.750
you have a few hours to go and do something
1005
00:37:39.769 --> 00:37:41.949
and you go actually no i love writing songs or
1006
00:37:41.969 --> 00:37:44.170
you know it is an enjoyable thing when you've got
1007
00:37:44.349 --> 00:37:46.909
too much time sometimes you take it for granted so
1008
00:37:46.989 --> 00:37:48.789
you can sort of capitalize because i don't know if
1009
00:37:48.809 --> 00:37:51.500
it's the same with comedy i can sit at a
1010
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.880
desk and try and write but nothing comes but out
1011
00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:56.219
of nowhere a joke will appear or a routine will
1012
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.239
appear and then i think oh that's amazing it sort
1013
00:37:58.260 --> 00:38:00.300
of just drops into my head Is that the same
1014
00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:01.780
for you with songwriting or do you have to sit
1015
00:38:01.820 --> 00:38:03.170
down and work at it?
1016
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.750
They're the sacred moments when that does happen, when a
1017
00:38:06.809 --> 00:38:10.769
song just seems to appear from somewhere else, you know,
1018
00:38:10.829 --> 00:38:15.750
fully formed. They're the magic moments. I don't normally like
1019
00:38:15.769 --> 00:38:18.469
to analyse these things too much. Do you know what
1020
00:38:18.489 --> 00:38:22.510
I mean? Yeah. If I'm writing lyrics, not easy, but
1021
00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:26.079
it comes to me easier than writing a whole song.
1022
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.239
But quite often, if I don't write the lyrics and
1023
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:31.170
the melody at the same time, It just won't work
1024
00:38:31.289 --> 00:38:34.250
as a song. It'll feel forced. Do you know what
1025
00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:35.659
I mean? That's the worst thing in the world, which
1026
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:38.880
is why really I've started doing the magazine because I've
1027
00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:42.039
got so many things that just never been able to
1028
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:42.880
get into songs.
1029
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:44.280
Yeah, you can put them somewhere.
1030
00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:47.610
The work is fiction and poetry. And so I think
1031
00:38:47.630 --> 00:38:48.730
I'm going to enjoy it. I mean, this is just
1032
00:38:48.789 --> 00:38:50.829
a prototype that I'm selling at the moment, but I'm
1033
00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:51.110
going to.
1034
00:38:51.409 --> 00:38:52.610
That's got to be a book, surely.
1035
00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:53.329
Well.
1036
00:38:53.849 --> 00:38:55.230
I'm thinking of just, you know, I don't know how
1037
00:38:55.250 --> 00:38:55.809
these things work.
1038
00:38:55.829 --> 00:38:57.489
Put it in my toilet and we'll have one each then.
1039
00:38:57.510 --> 00:38:58.750
Get one for each of your toilets.
1040
00:38:58.929 --> 00:38:59.570
Yeah, exactly.
1041
00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:00.489
It's a fair swap.
1042
00:39:00.670 --> 00:39:01.269
You know what I mean?
1043
00:39:01.309 --> 00:39:03.409
Maybe get a bit of, sell a bit of advertising space.
1044
00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:05.280
I could make a go of this. You know what
1045
00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:06.099
I mean?
1046
00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:07.000
Proper magazine.
1047
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:08.539
Are you thinking of getting into publishing?
1048
00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:09.739
I'm in publishing.
1049
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:11.500
He's already there.
1050
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.679
Yeah.
1051
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:14.679
I know you don't like to overanalyze it, but is
1052
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:16.679
there an example of a song that came fully formed,
1053
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.949
the most fully formed that just came out of nowhere
1054
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:21.929
that you could think of? Was there one that stands out?
1055
00:39:22.469 --> 00:39:25.639
Yeah, something like You're My Waterloo or Music and Ice Girl,
1056
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.590
which have turned out to be quite big songs, you
1057
00:39:27.610 --> 00:39:28.989
know what I mean? But that was just, I can
1058
00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:33.480
distinctly remember Saturday in the basement flat in Camden Road,
1059
00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:38.300
it would have been like 1998, and they just came. Yeah. Bang,
1060
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.300
they came and the weird thing, well, when I played
1061
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:43.519
them to Carl, he picked up the other guitar and
1062
00:39:43.539 --> 00:39:46.599
immediately wrote the killer riff for each of them.
1063
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.360
Immediately oh wow.
1064
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.369
That happens a lot with me and car we just
1065
00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:53.050
which is fortunate i mean because he can't he can't
1066
00:39:53.070 --> 00:39:55.190
be in my company for too long do you know
1067
00:39:55.210 --> 00:39:57.070
what i mean so it has to happen fast or
1068
00:39:57.130 --> 00:40:01.929
it won't happen at all.
1069
00:40:00.429 --> 00:40:03.389
And do you like looking back on that time it
1070
00:40:03.409 --> 00:40:05.710
was such an exciting time i know you've said it
1071
00:40:05.750 --> 00:40:10.309
was kind of amorphous and stuff but like did you
1072
00:40:10.409 --> 00:40:15.449
realize at the time how iconic and kind of important
1073
00:40:15.690 --> 00:40:18.730
that band was to people and that kind of period
1074
00:40:18.750 --> 00:40:19.730
of time was.
1075
00:40:19.849 --> 00:40:23.610
It was definitely felt strong connections we made to individuals
1076
00:40:23.670 --> 00:40:26.429
i didn't it's hard to gauge these things on a
1077
00:40:26.650 --> 00:40:28.940
on a wider level but those early shows there was
1078
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.099
such a that's what we were looking for we were
1079
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.400
looking for our tribe yeah i mean for one expression
1080
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:37.800
in fact that's probably the perfect expression that's what we're
1081
00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:41.170
looking for wherever we went we wanted to meet our people.
1082
00:40:41.190 --> 00:40:41.869
Do you know what I mean?
1083
00:40:41.909 --> 00:40:43.969
I think I'd always had a sense of, even, I mean,
1084
00:40:43.989 --> 00:40:45.969
we went to school at the height of.
1085
00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:48.719
Britpop, wouldn't it? It was Oasis, Ocean Colour Scene and
1086
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.719
Pulp and I love them bands, but, and they were,
1087
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.760
and they were really popular, but you still had to
1088
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.219
sort of watch yourself. Do you know what I mean?
1089
00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:58.880
Going around dressed in denim flares and an eyeliner and
1090
00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:00.760
stuff like that. You know what I mean? It was England,
1091
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:03.429
you know, it's provincial England and you know what I mean?
1092
00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:04.360
You'll get a fat lip.
1093
00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:06.550
So it was just, we were trying to meet people
1094
00:41:06.570 --> 00:41:09.050
that wouldn't headbutt you if you had eyeliner on basically.
1095
00:41:09.250 --> 00:41:09.369
Yeah.
1096
00:41:10.019 --> 00:41:11.460
And we met a few, you know what I mean?
1097
00:41:12.099 --> 00:41:13.639
Or if they did headbutt, it was in a nice way.
1098
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.119
It was in like a moshy way. Do you know
1099
00:41:15.139 --> 00:41:17.199
what I mean? It was sort of actually the mosh bit.
1100
00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:21.610
And then those early shows in London just seemed like
1101
00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:25.309
to be a magnet for every chicken punk and modern
1102
00:41:25.429 --> 00:41:28.829
suede head that was still believed in British rock and roll,
1103
00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:32.039
you know what I mean? And it's amazing how many...
1104
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.599
I met a kid last night actually in Bristol. We
1105
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.360
played Bristol, Trinity Church in Bristol. I met a kid who...
1106
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:41.059
I remember from way back then, he was like, he
1107
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.079
would have been 15, 16, and I'd have been 19, 20.
1108
00:41:44.059 --> 00:41:47.239
He used to come to all those little guerrilla gigs.
1109
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:49.800
You know, I hadn't seen him for years. You know,
1110
00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:52.349
I never had his phone number or anything, but I
1111
00:41:52.409 --> 00:41:53.989
felt such a kinship to him. And I met him
1112
00:41:54.030 --> 00:41:57.090
last night, and he's a full-grown man now. And he's
1113
00:41:57.130 --> 00:42:00.409
working in social care with kids with disabilities, and it
1114
00:42:00.429 --> 00:42:03.610
was just beautiful to see. He was parking his car
1115
00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:05.449
outside the gig, and he was like.
1116
00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:05.989
Hi, Pete.
1117
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.619
And I've looked at him and I thought, I know
1118
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.380
that face. And then I could try imagining him with hair,
1119
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.039
with a leather jacket, with the Libertines written on it
1120
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.139
in snot. And it's like, are you Hey Richie? Because
1121
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.079
that was his like, his code name on the old,
1122
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:23.039
he used to have like a fan forum and you know,
1123
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.590
days before social media.
1124
00:42:24.619 --> 00:42:26.269
Forums, I forgot about forums. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1125
00:42:26.369 --> 00:42:28.570
And he was Hey Richie and I was the heavy horse.
1126
00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:31.010
And I was like, I'm doing this fanzine. And then
1127
00:42:31.110 --> 00:42:33.889
I know, I know, I heard about that. And I'd
1128
00:42:33.909 --> 00:42:37.070
be expecting contributions for you. And I was like, Like
1129
00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:38.969
I'm not trying to recreate anything, but if I can
1130
00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:41.230
get him writing again, for example, because he was great.
1131
00:42:41.250 --> 00:42:42.989
You know what I mean? He had an amazing turn
1132
00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:45.869
of phrase and he'd always be going around watching different
1133
00:42:45.909 --> 00:42:48.510
bands and then writing about them on the forum and
1134
00:42:48.550 --> 00:42:51.130
all that stuff is lost forever. You know what I mean?
1135
00:42:51.150 --> 00:42:55.059
All that writing. Although he says he used to save
1136
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.019
it all. So that might be an interesting thing for
1137
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:57.860
the magazine to.
1138
00:42:57.940 --> 00:42:59.920
If you can find an old Libertines forum that you
1139
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:01.019
could reprint.
1140
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.710
I wouldn't be able to reprint something. I used to be.
1141
00:43:04.269 --> 00:43:07.050
Stupidly honest on that forum. Do you know what I mean?
1142
00:43:07.130 --> 00:43:09.550
And there was loads of embarrassing stuff in there.
1143
00:43:09.860 --> 00:43:12.260
It was quite iconic. There's that clip of you as
1144
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:13.739
a young, I was about to say the same thing.
1145
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:17.039
Older teenager where you're queuing for an Oasis album and
1146
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:18.980
you get Vox Pox on the street and it's the
1147
00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:23.320
most eloquent sort of, amazing description of Oasis. And it's like,
1148
00:43:23.659 --> 00:43:26.909
obviously like, you know, so Pete Doherty. Do you remember that?
1149
00:43:26.929 --> 00:43:27.809
And have you seen it since?
1150
00:43:28.289 --> 00:43:30.449
I have seen it since, yeah, yeah. It pops up
1151
00:43:30.469 --> 00:43:32.349
from time to time, yeah. I do remember it as
1152
00:43:32.369 --> 00:43:36.070
well because I was working at Hanley's, Hanley's, the toy store.
1153
00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:36.690
Yeah.
1154
00:43:37.070 --> 00:43:39.969
Pop-up shop in a place, it was called the Trocadero Centre.
1155
00:43:39.989 --> 00:43:41.769
Don't know if it's called that, it was Piccadilly Circus.
1156
00:43:41.789 --> 00:43:42.369
Yeah, yeah, right.
1157
00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:46.050
I used to stand outside with a big water bucket.
1158
00:43:46.510 --> 00:43:50.010
demonstrating wind-up frogs and bath toys. And we used to
1159
00:43:50.050 --> 00:43:53.340
have a couple of cutouts of Marilyn Monroe, Kylie. And
1160
00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:55.460
then one day the shift manager put in a couple
1161
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:56.480
of cutouts of Oasis.
1162
00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:57.039
And I was like, what?
1163
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.699
How come you got them? And he said, because they're
1164
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.980
doing their album launch. They're doing their album launch on
1165
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.920
Oxford Street. And we're like, you know, helping to promote.
1166
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.280
I was like, all right, so I got the couple
1167
00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:08.539
of cutouts. And I just wanted to get, you know,
1168
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:09.800
in the papers. And I said, I got the couple
1169
00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:13.380
of cutouts and went past the Virgin Megastore on the
1170
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.639
back of the open back.
1171
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.420
Bus with them.
1172
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.019
All the paparazzis are there waiting for Oasis. And I
1173
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:20.880
kept going past. No one was interested, so I went in.
1174
00:44:21.699 --> 00:44:24.480
And then they did a Vox Pop. So somewhere there's footage.
1175
00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:24.989
There is footage.
1176
00:44:25.010 --> 00:44:26.159
There is footage.
1177
00:44:26.179 --> 00:44:28.250
But somewhere there's footage of me with cardboard cut out.
1178
00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:28.869
Oh, is there?
1179
00:44:28.889 --> 00:44:30.309
Because he was walking in front of the cameras of
1180
00:44:30.369 --> 00:44:30.769
it as well.
1181
00:44:30.869 --> 00:44:32.670
Yeah, no, I just kept marching up and down trying
1182
00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:33.409
to get on the telly.
1183
00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:34.230
Did you meet them then?
1184
00:44:34.250 --> 00:44:36.369
Or were you just outside when they were doing the launch?
1185
00:44:36.389 --> 00:44:37.269
Did you get in and meet them?
1186
00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:37.989
I didn't.
1187
00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:39.389
No, no, no. I don't even think they were there, actually.
1188
00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:40.150
It was just an album.
1189
00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:42.429
Well, maybe they were. I did see Ian Brown on
1190
00:44:42.469 --> 00:44:45.849
Oxford Street once, though, around that time. So I was
1191
00:44:45.869 --> 00:44:47.880
living at my nan's in Cricklewood in the summer and
1192
00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:51.039
I was working in the toy shop amongst other things.
1193
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:52.860
And I saw Ian Brown once and I was walking
1194
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.929
back to get the bus and I was like, Ian!
1195
00:44:56.789 --> 00:44:58.650
And he sort of looked and then I'm sort of
1196
00:44:58.670 --> 00:45:01.570
running after him and I didn't really know what to say.
1197
00:45:01.610 --> 00:45:03.550
So I was like, you're Ian Brown. He went, no,
1198
00:45:03.590 --> 00:45:03.969
I'm not.
1199
00:45:04.010 --> 00:45:04.510
No, I'm not.
1200
00:45:04.730 --> 00:45:06.480
You got to piss off.
1201
00:45:07.619 --> 00:45:10.380
I can't imagine you doing frog demonstrations in front of
1202
00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:10.940
a toy shop.
1203
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.300
Were you sort of knowingly enjoying that?
1204
00:45:13.420 --> 00:45:16.260
But I imagine you as a teenager might have been quite,
1205
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.010
you know, you're so well read and intelligent. You may
1206
00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:20.969
have thought that was like, what am I doing here?
1207
00:45:21.269 --> 00:45:22.449
How did you approach that job?
1208
00:45:22.670 --> 00:45:25.309
It was hard to, I was always jumping from job
1209
00:45:25.329 --> 00:45:27.389
to job all the time. So I mean, there were
1210
00:45:27.409 --> 00:45:29.769
some interesting characters there. Basically a lot of foreign kids
1211
00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:32.150
in London and you know what I mean? So I
1212
00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:35.139
was always falling in love. It's probably the reason I
1213
00:45:35.179 --> 00:45:36.869
got a job there. I saw it. fell in love
1214
00:45:36.889 --> 00:45:39.230
with the girl that was demonstrating the frogs before me.
1215
00:45:39.250 --> 00:45:42.289
The problem was because it was all a pop-up shop
1216
00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:44.889
and it was just, you know, million tourists going past
1217
00:45:45.139 --> 00:45:48.659
by the minute. They played the same song all the
1218
00:45:48.699 --> 00:45:50.860
time and you couldn't wear headphones. So I had to
1219
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.300
listen to Can't Get You Out of My Head by
1220
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.230
Kylie for my whole shift. It just went round and
1221
00:45:57.309 --> 00:45:59.250
round and round and round and round.
1222
00:45:59.809 --> 00:46:00.489
Oh, I'm sorry.
1223
00:46:00.690 --> 00:46:02.690
To this day, when I hear that song, I automatically
1224
00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:04.789
go into sales pitch mode and start trying to sell
1225
00:46:04.809 --> 00:46:06.449
people bathtub.
1226
00:46:07.070 --> 00:46:10.050
Do you want to hear that clip, Pete? Have you
1227
00:46:10.090 --> 00:46:10.750
heard it, Sin?
1228
00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:12.340
The Umberto Eco.
1229
00:46:12.409 --> 00:46:12.800
Here we go.
1230
00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:13.780
Good morning.
1231
00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:15.440
You're in the queue. You've got your cross off.
1232
00:46:15.460 --> 00:46:15.940
You're sorted.
1233
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:17.199
How long have you been here?
1234
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:19.179
Oh, at least 17 minutes.
1235
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:23.000
Oh, right. You're a newcomer to this. Oh, yeah, yeah.
1236
00:46:23.179 --> 00:46:23.860
And can you.
1237
00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.559
Can you sum up Oasis for me in one sentence?
1238
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.320
Yeah, well, I subscribe to the Umberto Eco view that
1239
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.500
Noel Gallagher's a poet and Liam's.
1240
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:31.940
A town crier.
1241
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.239
Sorry about that.
1242
00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:36.280
I've always seen that as a perfect combination.
1243
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.380
Do it again.
1244
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.079
That was brilliant. Can you just look at the camera
1245
00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:42.460
and do that?
1246
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.559
I subscribe to the Umberto Eco view that Liam's a
1247
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town crier and Noel's a poet, and that's always, for me,
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a perfect combination.
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If there was one word to sum Oasis up, what
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would that word be?
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Crowsers. that guy i don't know who that presenter is
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he cannot fucking believe his.
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Life eddie temple i took him up on that and
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i went to mtv mtv europe it just opened yeah
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and i went and said down the door i said
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that i'd been promised a job and they gave me
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a shift in the mail room did they two days
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someone was ill and I got two days in the
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mail room and obviously I thought this is it this
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is like my presenting an MTV get me an MTV
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show and then nothing oh oh and here's.
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The end the baby's up that's so funny at least
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17 minutes isn't it it's such a funny line trousers
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who is Umberto Eco do you know he's.
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A novelist he's a and a philosopher yeah oh and.
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Here is oh she's so cute who's this.
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Hello Is that Papa?
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Papa.
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Papa.
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Oh, she's just woken up, hasn't she? She doesn't look
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unlike you, Pete. I'll be honest. She's got the hair.
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The poor thing. The poor thing. Oh.
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And so what's the rest of your day going to involve, Pete?
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Nappies and feeding and we'll go for a little walk.
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We're right on the river here.
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Yeah.
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I know the car park looks pretty grim, but we're
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right on the river. We'll go for a little walkies.
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We'll find a park. And we'll do a gig.
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Yeah and when you speak to her you go a bit.
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French she's.
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So cute oh what a lovely kid it's been an
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absolute joy to speak to you we'll let you get
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on with your day what's the album called felt better
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alive felt better alive and when's it out you're not
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gonna know that are.
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You may It's May.
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And are you doing an acoustic tour of that at
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the moment? Are you doing a bigger tour of it?
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I'm doing an acoustic tour at the moment. And then
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in May, when it comes out, I'll be doing some
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shows with the full band for it, including Mike Joyce
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from the Smiths on drums.
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From the Smiths?
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, we'll let you get on, Pete. Thanks so much, mate.
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Brilliant book, by the way.
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Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. We'll order a fanzine.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we promote the fanzine more than the album,
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which is probably a mistake. But in May. Love, fellas.
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Cheers.
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Bye.
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Bye-bye. Pete Doherty. He's such a sweet bloke, isn't he?
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Yeah, he's so funny. It's nice to see him a
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bit more. you know, measured and happy.
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Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to do that interview 15
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years ago.
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I mean, I would have wanted to, but I don't
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think it would have lasted that long. I don't think
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any of it would have been broadcastable. But I'd have
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loved to have been there.
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Do you know what? I'd have taken Michael up on
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the offer when he tabled it. I would have done
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shit in my pants.
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Yeah, might have been a bit extreme. That was great,
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love that.
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Good luck to Pete and his new album. And the
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Libertines album's out as well. I think they're doing gigs
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in the summer as well.
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They are, yeah.
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Josh, I'll see you Tuesday.
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I'll see you there.
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Bye.
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Bye.