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The Vatican, a fortress of faith, secrets, and supposedly unbroken
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mile lineage dating all the way back to Saint Peter himself.
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But what if?
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What if history holds a glitch, a ghost in the
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papal machine. For centuries, whispers persisted of a woman, brilliant, ambitious,
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disguised who climbed the holiest ladder right to the top.
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They called her Pope Joan, the phantom Papacy.
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Tonight, we're going to investigate the legend that refuses to die.
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I'm Jack z Ember and this is paranormal salad the Creuton.
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Don't forget to follow, subscribe, comment and give me your
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thoughts as we jump in to the legend of Pope Joe.
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Here's the first strange clue.
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The story of Pope Joan doesn't surface when she supposedly lived,
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usually placed in the ninth century, No contemporary accounts mentioned
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a female pope. The tale first appears centuries later, around
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the mid twelve hundreds in the chronicles of Dominican friars.
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Jean di Malie around the year twelve fifty tells of
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an unnamed, talented woman disguised as a man, rising to
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the pope around the year eleven hundred, her secret exposed
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when she gave birth while mounting a horse. Her fate dragged,
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stoned and buried where she fell, marked by a cryptic inscription,
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OH Peter, father of Fathers, betrayed the child bearing woman,
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but the version that truly took hold him later in
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the thirteenth century from another Dominican, Martinius Polonius, his widely
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circulated chronicle, gave her a name Joan and Glicus, or
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Joan of Maids, and shifted her rein back to between
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Pope Leo.
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And Pope Benedict.
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The third Artin's Joan was any who was born in
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mans who came to Athens to follow her lover, where
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she excelled in learning, and then went to Rome, dazzled
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everyone there, and unanimously was elected Pope. The ultimate infiltration,
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but secrets, secrets have a way of getting out. According
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to Martinius Polonius, Pope Jones's downfall came during a solemn
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procession from Saint Peter's to the Lantern Basilica. Pregnant by
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a secret lover, she went into labor right there, in
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a narrow lane between the Colosseum and San clemente, the shock,
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the scandal unimaginable. Most versions say she died right there,
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either in childbirth or stone by the horrified crowd. And
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then the legend claims this event left physical scars on
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Rome itself. They say the streets where it happened became
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known as a vicus papisia, the street of the woman Pope,
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and that for centuries papal processions deliberately avoided the route,
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haunted by the memory a shun street, physical proof, or
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maybe just a narrow alley. And then there's the chair,
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the sidia sectoria, the dune chair. Legends insists this pierced
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seat used during papal coordinations for a delicate verification, a
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cardinal reaching through the hole to confirm the new pope
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was indeed a male. Doos habit it benham Pendentius. He
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has two and they hang well, or so the story goes,
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humiliating ritual born from scandal or a misunderstanding. Historians point
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out these chairs existed before Jones's supposed time. The stacoria
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likely symbolized humility, reminding the pope of dusk to dung.
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The pierced prophecy chairs maybe Roman bathstools, maybe symbols of
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mother Church, maybe reminders of mortality. The gender chech story
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only appears centuries later, conveniently fitting into the Joan narrative.
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Also the Strange artifacts narrative.
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Despite the street and the chair, the historical case for
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Pope Joan crumbles under scrutiny.
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Exhibit A.
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The timeline Martinius Polonius places Joan between Pope Leo, who
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died July seventeenth, eight hundred and fifty five, and Pope
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Benedict the Third.
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He gives her a reign of over two years, but history.
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Shows Benedict was elected immediately after Leo's death. His consecration
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was delayed only briefly by an anti pope, and sidious
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coins minted before September twenty ninth, eight hundred and fifty
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five showed both Benedict the Third and Emperor Lethoria First,
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who died that day. Contemporary letters confirm Benedict's succession. There's
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simply no room for a two year phantom papacy. Exhibit
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be the silence for over one hundred years. That's how
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long it took for Joan's story to even appear in writing.
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No contemporary no historian, no papal biographer, not even the
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church's critics who loved documenting papal scandals, mention a female
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pope an event this explosive.
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Surely someone would have written.
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About it right, but the silence it was deafening. So
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if Joan wasn't real, where did the story come from?
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Maybe a local Roman folk tale born from misinterpreting old
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statues or inscriptions that peter pantrum excription could have easily
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morphed from a common abbreviation on a tombstone. Or perhaps
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perhaps something we all know satire appointed jab born from
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a truly scandalous period, the tenth century secular obscurium, the
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Dark century, sometimes called the pornocracy or.
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The rule of the Harlots.
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This is the time where powerful families and powerful women
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like Theodora and her daughter pulled the papal strings. Popes
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were their lovers, their sons, their puppets. Marizia herself was
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even mockingly called Pope Joan by some of the Romans.
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Could the legend symbolically echoed this era when female power
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was seen as a corrupting force, ruling from the shadows
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for centuries. Joan was accepted as fact. Buccio wrote about
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her a Platinia. The Vatican Liberian included her in his
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official papal history. Her bust even stood in Siena Cathedral
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among the other popes. Then came the Protestant Reformation. Suddenly
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Pope Joan wasn't just a historical curiosity, she was ammunition.
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Protestant seized her story.
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How could the papacy claim unbroken Apostolic succession if a
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woman had sat on the throne. She became proof of
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Rome's corruption, the whore of Babylon.
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In a tierra.
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The Catholic Church, initially accepting, now had to fight back.
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Scholars began dismantling the legend using historical criticism. The Siena
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bust was altered around sixteen oh one by order of
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Pope Clement. Ironically, the most thorough debunking came from the
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Protestant David Blundell in the.
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Mid sixteen hundreds.
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Is rigorous analysis proved convincing even to Protestants. But legends,
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especially this one, have a strange afterlife. Debunked, yes, but
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forgotten never. In modern times, Joan has been reborn as
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a feminist icon, a symbol of female ambition, smashing patriarchal barriers,
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or a tragic figure defeated by biology after conquering a
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man's world. She appears in novels, films, plays like Top Girls.
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She's the high priestess on the Tarot deck, a symbol
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for queer subversion, for anti authoritarianism. So, as a papal
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historian myself, Pope jon almost certainly never existed. The history
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books are clear, the timeline doesn't work out. The silence
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of the contemporaries is overwhelming.
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But why does she persist?
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Because the idea of her is powerful. It speaks of
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our fascination with secrets, with transgressions, with challenging the seemingly
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unshakable foundations of power. He's a mirror reflecting centuries of
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anxietieties and hopes about gender, faith, and authority fact or fiction.
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Pope Joan forces us to ask questions, and here on
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Paranormal Salad, we love questions. I'm Jack z Ember and
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until next time, keep thinking, keep striving, and keep uncovering.
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The secrets of our past. This has been Paranormal Salad
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with the crew.
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if you have any information that may contradict my thought
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that Pope Joan doesn't exist.
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Share it here and we're going to have a wonderful
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article on Pope.
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Joan in the May edition of Paranormal Salad magazine, so
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check that out as well.
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The April edition is available now link in.
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The description, go and get that. And if you haven't
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been listening to our chilling case on the Dressing, check
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that out. As someone who works for the Vatican as
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an exorcist, it was one of the scariest and most
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well you're gonna have to find out until next time.
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The Vatican, a fortress of faith, secrets, and supposedly unbroken
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mile lineage dating all the way back to Saint Peter himself.
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But what if?
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What if history holds a glitch, a ghost in the
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papal machine. For centuries, whispers persisted of a woman, brilliant, ambitious,
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disguised who climbed the holiest ladder right to the top.
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They called her Pope Joan, the phantom Papacy.
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Tonight, we're going to investigate the legend that refuses to die.
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I'm Jack z Ember and this is paranormal salad the Creuton.
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Don't forget to follow, subscribe, comment and give me your
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thoughts as we jump in to the legend of Pope Joe.
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Here's the first strange clue.
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The story of Pope Joan doesn't surface when she supposedly lived,
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usually placed in the ninth century, No contemporary accounts mentioned
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a female pope. The tale first appears centuries later, around
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the mid twelve hundreds in the chronicles of Dominican friars.
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Jean di Malie around the year twelve fifty tells of
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an unnamed, talented woman disguised as a man, rising to
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the pope around the year eleven hundred, her secret exposed
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when she gave birth while mounting a horse. Her fate dragged,
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stoned and buried where she fell, marked by a cryptic inscription,
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OH Peter, father of Fathers, betrayed the child bearing woman,
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but the version that truly took hold him later in
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the thirteenth century from another Dominican, Martinius Polonius, his widely
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circulated chronicle, gave her a name Joan and Glicus, or
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Joan of Maids, and shifted her rein back to between
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Pope Leo.
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And Pope Benedict.
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The third Artin's Joan was any who was born in
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mans who came to Athens to follow her lover, where
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she excelled in learning, and then went to Rome, dazzled
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everyone there, and unanimously was elected Pope. The ultimate infiltration,
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but secrets, secrets have a way of getting out. According
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to Martinius Polonius, Pope Jones's downfall came during a solemn
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procession from Saint Peter's to the Lantern Basilica. Pregnant by
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a secret lover, she went into labor right there, in
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a narrow lane between the Colosseum and San clemente, the shock,
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the scandal unimaginable. Most versions say she died right there,
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either in childbirth or stone by the horrified crowd. And
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then the legend claims this event left physical scars on
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Rome itself. They say the streets where it happened became
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known as a vicus papisia, the street of the woman Pope,
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and that for centuries papal processions deliberately avoided the route,
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haunted by the memory a shun street, physical proof, or
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maybe just a narrow alley. And then there's the chair,
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the sidia sectoria, the dune chair. Legends insists this pierced
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seat used during papal coordinations for a delicate verification, a
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cardinal reaching through the hole to confirm the new pope
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was indeed a male. Doos habit it benham Pendentius. He
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has two and they hang well, or so the story goes,
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humiliating ritual born from scandal or a misunderstanding. Historians point
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out these chairs existed before Jones's supposed time. The stacoria
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likely symbolized humility, reminding the pope of dusk to dung.
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The pierced prophecy chairs maybe Roman bathstools, maybe symbols of
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mother Church, maybe reminders of mortality. The gender chech story
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only appears centuries later, conveniently fitting into the Joan narrative.
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Also the Strange artifacts narrative.
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Despite the street and the chair, the historical case for
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Pope Joan crumbles under scrutiny.
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Exhibit A.
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The timeline Martinius Polonius places Joan between Pope Leo, who
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died July seventeenth, eight hundred and fifty five, and Pope
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Benedict the Third.
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He gives her a reign of over two years, but history.
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Shows Benedict was elected immediately after Leo's death. His consecration
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was delayed only briefly by an anti pope, and sidious
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coins minted before September twenty ninth, eight hundred and fifty
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five showed both Benedict the Third and Emperor Lethoria First,
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who died that day. Contemporary letters confirm Benedict's succession. There's
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simply no room for a two year phantom papacy. Exhibit
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be the silence for over one hundred years. That's how
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long it took for Joan's story to even appear in writing.
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No contemporary no historian, no papal biographer, not even the
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church's critics who loved documenting papal scandals, mention a female
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pope an event this explosive.
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Surely someone would have written.
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About it right, but the silence it was deafening. So
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if Joan wasn't real, where did the story come from?
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Maybe a local Roman folk tale born from misinterpreting old
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statues or inscriptions that peter pantrum excription could have easily
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morphed from a common abbreviation on a tombstone. Or perhaps
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perhaps something we all know satire appointed jab born from
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a truly scandalous period, the tenth century secular obscurium, the
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Dark century, sometimes called the pornocracy or.
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The rule of the Harlots.
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This is the time where powerful families and powerful women
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like Theodora and her daughter pulled the papal strings. Popes
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were their lovers, their sons, their puppets. Marizia herself was
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even mockingly called Pope Joan by some of the Romans.
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Could the legend symbolically echoed this era when female power
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was seen as a corrupting force, ruling from the shadows
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for centuries. Joan was accepted as fact. Buccio wrote about
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her a Platinia. The Vatican Liberian included her in his
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official papal history. Her bust even stood in Siena Cathedral
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among the other popes. Then came the Protestant Reformation. Suddenly
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Pope Joan wasn't just a historical curiosity, she was ammunition.
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Protestant seized her story.
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How could the papacy claim unbroken Apostolic succession if a
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woman had sat on the throne. She became proof of
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Rome's corruption, the whore of Babylon.
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In a tierra.
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The Catholic Church, initially accepting, now had to fight back.
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Scholars began dismantling the legend using historical criticism. The Siena
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bust was altered around sixteen oh one by order of
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Pope Clement. Ironically, the most thorough debunking came from the
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Protestant David Blundell in the.
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Mid sixteen hundreds.
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Is rigorous analysis proved convincing even to Protestants. But legends,
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especially this one, have a strange afterlife. Debunked, yes, but
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forgotten never. In modern times, Joan has been reborn as
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a feminist icon, a symbol of female ambition, smashing patriarchal barriers,
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or a tragic figure defeated by biology after conquering a
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man's world. She appears in novels, films, plays like Top Girls.
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She's the high priestess on the Tarot deck, a symbol
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for queer subversion, for anti authoritarianism. So, as a papal
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historian myself, Pope jon almost certainly never existed. The history
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books are clear, the timeline doesn't work out. The silence
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of the contemporaries is overwhelming.
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But why does she persist?
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Because the idea of her is powerful. It speaks of
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our fascination with secrets, with transgressions, with challenging the seemingly
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unshakable foundations of power. He's a mirror reflecting centuries of
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anxietieties and hopes about gender, faith, and authority fact or fiction.
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Pope Joan forces us to ask questions, and here on
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Paranormal Salad, we love questions. I'm Jack z Ember and
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until next time, keep thinking, keep striving, and keep uncovering.
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The secrets of our past. This has been Paranormal Salad
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with the crew.
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Don don't forget to like, follow, subscribe, share, comment, and
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if you have any information that may contradict my thought
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that Pope Joan doesn't exist.
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Share it here and we're going to have a wonderful
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article on Pope.
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Joan in the May edition of Paranormal Salad magazine, so
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check that out as well.
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The April edition is available now link in.
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The description, go and get that. And if you haven't
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been listening to our chilling case on the Dressing, check
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that out. As someone who works for the Vatican as
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an exorcist, it was one of the scariest and most
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well you're gonna have to find out until next time.
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