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Joanna Wang: Code Is Cheap Now; Developers Still Valuable

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Joanna Wang is a senior software engineer at Sixfold, where the team builds AI underwriting tools that help insurance companies gather data and assess risk. She came to Ruby on Rails after working across Java, Go, Python, and Node.

Robby and Joanna get into why the homegrown orchestration they built on state machines and callbacks turned brittle, what moving to Hatchet changed, and the tradeoffs of leaning on a gem that is no longer maintained. They also talk about what happened when the team went fully agentic, and why Rails magic is easier to understand when an agent can trace it for you.

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Sixfold - https://www.sixfold.ai

Hatchet - https://github.com/hatchet-dev/hatchet

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00:00:00Introduction
00:01:17What keeps Joanna on Rails, and getting there from Java
00:02:53Inside Sixfold: AI underwriting for insurance
00:04:17Where Rails sits in the stack, and how the Rails and Python sides overlap
00:06:53Writing less code, and learning to live with the magic
00:11:45When homegrown orchestration got brittle
00:13:58Fan out, fan in, and race conditions everywhere
00:15:46Buy versus build, and piloting Hatchet
00:18:36JSON API resources: empty controllers and rigid errors
00:21:55Dependencies, supply chain security, and cautious upgrades
00:24:55Testing, observability, and going fully agentic
00:28:19Harnesses for agents, and what the job becomes when code is cheap
00:30:29Why agentic tools pair well with Rails magic
00:31:56CLI tooling and Claude skills for dev setup
00:35:28Multi-tenancy, compliance, and regional data residency
00:37:13Feature flags, and moving QA to an agent
00:39:41Advice on the way out, and a book recommendation

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