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It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio.
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Thank you very much, Al Griffin. Interesting column in Yesterday's
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Boston Globe by Joan Venake. And one of the things
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we like to do here on Nightside is discuss topics,
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which might be what you call fifty to fifty topics
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where a good portion of the audience might agree and
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a good portion of the audience might disagree. And I
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thought that this is one that we'll be discussed in
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the weeks ahead, and I think you need to know
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a little bit more about it, not that some of
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you don't know a lot about it. Right now, we're
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talking what's called in Massachusetts a section thirty five petition. Now, again,
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the terminology on this sort of stuff is always interesting,
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but it's a simple procedure that is used in effect,
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four people who have an addiction this is alcohol, legal
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or illegal drugs or both. Those people are the people
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who are have to respond to this. And if all
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of the criteria are met, a judge can commit someone
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to a civil treatment program. It's not criminal, but a
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civil program from up to ninety days. Now, the person
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who is presenting or the person who is who actually
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you're basically trying to get them committed. They have to
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present an immediate likelihood of serious harm to themselves or
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others above and beyond the addiction. It's not if you
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have a blood relative or someone who is addicted to
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alcoholic drugs. The likelihood of serious harm is necessary for
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the judge to order the conviction. It's an emergency measure.
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It's not a long term solution for alcohol or substance abuse.
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The law defines likelihood of serious harm as a substantial
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risk of physical harm to the person him or herself,
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as manifested by evidence of threats or an attempt at
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suicide or serious bodily harm. So if you know of
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someone who is addicted to drugs and alcohol and is
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making threats of I'm going to kill myself, you know
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it's a substantial risk of physical harm to themselves or
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to other persons as evidence by violent behavior homicidal behavior.
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If you don't interfere before they act on homicidal behavior,
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they're going to be in the criminal justice system. So
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right now, we in Massachusetts have a lot of people
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who are homeless. That is not enough to commit someone,
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But you have people who not only are homeless, but
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they are drug dependent, and they basically do whatever they
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need to do to maintain that drug dependency, up to
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stealing from other people living literally living on the streets,
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sharing needles. I mean, it's it's horrific. And in addition,
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as Joan Venaki points out in her column yesterday in
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the in the Boston Globe, she says, you know this
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is her first paragraph. She says, this is a thought experiment.
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A person who appears to be to be homeless settles
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in on the sidewalk in front of my house, is
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hypothesizing this and begins to self inject with drugs. Others
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start to congregate and use my lawn as a bathroom.
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Sometimes fights in sexual assaults breakout. She asked the question,
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how long would I or you let that go on?
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If I asked local political leaders for help and they
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told me they're doing their best, but this is an
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intractable national problem, I wouldn't accept it, would you? But
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for a long time? Acceptance is what is expected from
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South End residents who live near the intersection of Massachusetts
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Avenue and Malina Cass Boulevard known as Masson Cass. But
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this is more than just massive cass Okay. This is
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a solution which I think needs to be used more often,
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and I think the implication of Joan Vanaki's article is
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that but this might be a measure that would be
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short of putting the National Guard in the streets of Boston.
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Venaki rights, the rationale behind the policy is also worthy
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of consideration. Shifting homeless individuals into long term institutional settings
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for humane treatment through the appropriate use of civil commitment
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who restore public order. This is out of Donald Trump's
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executive order. Surrendering our cities and citizens to disorder and
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fear is neither compassionate to the homeless nor other citizens.
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Naki Rights calling for the National Guard to deal with
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the mass and cast crisis, as some South a residents
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have demanded, is more what she calls performative politics. It
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seems to me that is the ultimate frustration. Based upon
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what I have heard from people who live in the
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South End, Svenaki ads that's not the answer, but it's
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time to acknowledge that other answers haven't worked. Meanwhile, the
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impact on quality of life is unacceptable. Residents are very frustrated.
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Their patience is gone. Imagine seeing what they see every
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day in front of your own home, and it's easy
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to understand why. So what I want to do is
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talk about this. I know that amongst my libertarian listeners
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or people who think of themselves as libertarians, they would say, hey, look,
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if someone is not harming another person, they should be
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able to live their life in whatever way they want.
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But besides confronting someone and trying to rob them, or
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confronting someone and trying to intimidate them into giving money
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to the person, there are ways in which the behavior
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of individuals who are drug dependent and who are alcohol
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addicted just changes the neighborhood again whether the neighbor whether
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the neighborhood is in Boston or in Worcester, in Springfield,
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any major city. UH. It tends not to occur in
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our leafy bedroom communities because our leafy bedroom communities wouldn't tolerated,
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and the police departments UH will certainly pick people up
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uh and and question them if they're walking the streets
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aimlessly UH and appear disheveled and appear homeless. There's kind
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of a double standard here. What is tolerated in places
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like Lowell, in New Bedford, Fall River, Brockton, you name it. Worcester, Springfield,
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Haveril in some In some instances, Lynn, you know, the
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cities I'm talking about would not be tolerated in the
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leafy suburbs. And Vernaki, who is not a fan of
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Donald Trump in any way, shape or form, at least
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from the joan Vernaki that I know, basically is suggesting
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involuntary commitment should be on the table in the opioid crisis.
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We've been living with the opioid crisis now for a
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couple of decades. Okay, it's been with us going back
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to the twentieth century, it's now twenty twenty five. I
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think that Section thirty five petitions need to be filed
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more often, and I think the judges need to be
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more understanding the way the law is written. You have
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to comply with the law. And again, as this summary
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that I'm looking at says, the likelihood of serious harm
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must be current and directly related to the alcohol or
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substance use disorder. Well, if somebody is walking this and
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its homeless, and it's an alcoholic and is sleeping on
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the front steps of people anywhere in Massachusetts, or sleeping
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on the front lawns of people because of alcohol or
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drug addiction. I think there is a likelihood of serious harm,
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and I think that it's time for our judges to
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toughen up a little bit. And I think that also
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police departments can toughen up a little bit. I'm not
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saying arrest them. I'm not saying put them in jail.
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I'm saying get them the help they need. Six one seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
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Going to open up the phone lines. My suspicion is
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that most of you agree with me, and most of
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you agree if you read Joe Banaki's piece in the
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Boston Globe yesterday. The question that you're going to answer
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now is whether or not you have the courage to
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join us and let others know who may feel like you. Yeah,
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I believe in it, But why is you say it?
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Give us a call and express your opinion, because we're
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going to lose communities here in Massachusetts to drug addiction
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and alcohol addiction, and now we're on the cusp of
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opening up cannabis cafes. Good luck with that. Six one seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven, nine three thirty. This
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is a problem that extends way beyond one section in
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the south end of Boston. It extends well beyond Master casts.
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It is everywhere in the come Wealth of Massachusetts except
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in the leafy suburbs.
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Back on Nightside after this, it's Night Side with Dan
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Ray on Boston's news radio.
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So it looks like some of you are shy here,
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So let me ask the question on a little more
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personal basis. Okay, Let's assume there was someone in your family,
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maybe not someone in your immediate family, someone who's living
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in your home, or maybe they are living in your
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home and they have shown some signs of aggressive behavior.
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Or there's someone who you know out on the streets
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of your community and they are addicted to some serious drugs.
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They're not just smoking marijuana, they're dealing with serious drugs,
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or they're alcohol addicted. Would you have the guts and
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the courage to go into court. The people who can
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actually seek a petition or ask a court to have
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someone involuntarily committed for alcohol or substance abuse treatment, blood relatives, spouses,
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police officers, court officials, physicians, and guardians. People who can't petition. Again,
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I don't understand the distinction here, but I guess if
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you're the person with an addiction or alcohol you can't
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go into court and ask for help. Seems to me
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that you should be at the front of the line. Girlfriend's,
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boyfriends and significant others, therapists, and social workers. I can
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understand that friends, neighbors, landlords, and concerned citizens. Okay, I
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guess what they're trying to do is limit the potential
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abuse here. Okay, But as far as I'm concerned, and
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you can agree or disagree, we have a crisis in
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this country now, and the crisis deals with drug addiction
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and alcohol addiction, and at some point, at some point,
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it has the potential to impact any one of us,
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any one of us. I suspect that the guy who
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walked into the office building in New York this week
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and took the lives of for innocent people, that there
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was something going on there. I think there was something
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more than a few heads hits to his head during
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his high school football days. This guy, you know, the
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story will will disappear. Okay, sadly, the story will disappear. However,
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there is I think a story that on this guy.
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We should find out why he did what he did.
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Took the lives of four people, changed the families of
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four people. So again, I know that some of you
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have an opinion, but you're a little shy tonight. Don't
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be shy six one seven four ten thirty six one
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seven nine three one ten thirty. You can save someone's
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life if you have some guts and you have some courage.
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Just have the guts to call and tell me what
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you do. Donnie and South Walpole, Hey, Donnie, how are
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you section thirty five petitions? What do you think?
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I've been section thirty five twice?
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Really? How is you doing? How are you doing?
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I'm doing all right. I'm doing better than I was
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before I did the I did thirty five days and
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thirty six days twice. And Dan, thanks to taking my call.
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I appreciate it. And when I turned the radio on
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like I do arby night before going to bed, I
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heard your subject and I said I have to comment.
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Well, thank you.
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Now.
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First, first of all, let me just say congratulations to
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have gone through this process. Could I ask you, because
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you have experienced that I haven't, why were you sectioned?
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Why were you sectioned meaning you know, committed involuntarily? And
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who was it that was good enough in your life
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to help you.
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Once was the judge and once was a doctor at
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local hospital uh and in the Needham area. He he
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realized I had been in the hospital for E T
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o H, which is alcohol abuse, eleven times in two years.
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Wow, and how many times you you were in it?
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You were in and out eleven times?
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Yes, sir?
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Okay again, I'm coming back to how you're doing now.
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You sound pretty good to me. You're speaking, well, are
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you working? Are you are you okay? Just you know,
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reassuring me that you're doing better.
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I'm doing much better. I'm I believe it or not.
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My problems became prevalent when I retired from Worick. I'm
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sixty seven years old, and I just need to stay
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away from the triggers.
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Okay. So, so for you it was was.
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It alcohol, yes, sir? No drugs? Good alcohol?
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Okay, that's okay. I mean for some people it's both,
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as you know, Donnie. So, so when was the last
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time that you were that you get out of the
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section thirty five situation?
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It was, Well, it's been a while, A good thing.
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That's a good thing. No know, how.
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Long, at least three months?
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Okay, Look, three months can be a long A real
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long time. Uh. And are you living out on your own?
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Are you living with family? What sort of a support
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system do you have?
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Well? I attend my AA meetings in my local bown.
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It's a small group, about twenty five people, so everybody
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gets chanced to speak their piece. But I do live alone,
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and that's one of the biggest dangers is isolation.
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Sure, absolutely, Donnie. Can I ask you when you were
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working before you retired, what type of work did you do?
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Just generally, just give me a general idea.
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I was in, believe it or not, food service, running
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kitchens and nursing homes for forty years.
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And were you during that period of time. And don't
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take this question, it's not intended to be offensive, but
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some people can be what's called functioning alcoholics. I mean
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they can be an alcohol that they can still get
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to work on time and do their job. Or did
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this start start to creep up on you after you retired.
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work on time because you never knew when someone was
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going to bang out sick and I would have to
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end up being the cook yep. But it really really
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exploded when I retired and then the pandemic hit.
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Sure, because you're even more isolated.
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Well, if you look at the stats alcohol would use
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in purchases when I'm forty four percent sure during a pandemic,
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Think people had time on their hands, they were at home,
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they could function. Yeah, I mean it was kind of
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a perfect storm that you found yourself in.
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This is true, Yes, Dan, that's correct.
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Well, Donnie, first, well, thanks for having the guts to
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deal with it. I have a lot of friends in
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your category who are doing really well, and it sounds
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to me like you are well on the road to recovery.
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I hope you continue to listen to my show and
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join us on any subject that you want to talk about.
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And you live in a great community, uh in Walpole,
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and you know say stay stay away from from from
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the alcohol temptation. And you know what I would say
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to you in retirement. And again I'm not you know,
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I'm not an expert on anything, Donnie, So take this,
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take this with a huge grain of salt. Okay, Uh,
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to develop an interest, you know when it was get
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keep yourself busy. Even though you're retired and you're not
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going to work, you can develop an interest either, you know,
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hobby or you can you can volunteer somewhere to help,
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you know, coach, coach little league team or something have,
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you know, have something that gives you a purpose in days,
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so you're not just getting up and saying, what am
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I going to do today? I mean, I think you're
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going to figure it out, and I think you're going
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to be okay. And I congratulate you on your recovery.
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And I congratulate a lot of great people have gone
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through what you have gone through. I mean, yeah, well,
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I keep thinking about my my, my good friend, former
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Boston mayor now the executive director of the NHL Players Association,
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Marty Walsh.
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He was an alcoholic, that's correct. Yeah, I can remember
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it publicly admitting that he was recovering alcoholic.
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Yeah, and so, uh again, you're on the road to recovery.
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And please listen to my show at night when you
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can give us a call on whatever subject you have,
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and uh, you know, get get something to get you
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going every day. That's what I'm what I'm trying to
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say to you. You know, I think the worst thing in
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the world is to wake up and have some too
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much time on your hands.
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Yeah, Dan, you're exactly correct, and I thank you for
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your advice, and I thank you for your show. I
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listened to it almost every night. And then I'll.
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Thank you for your courage to have looking in the
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mirror and realizing that you had a problem that needed
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to be addressed. And just stay with it, my friend, Okay,
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and keep in contact. Would your.
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Thank you Dan godvice?
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Right back at you, Donnie, right back at you. Well,
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that's an amazing phone call. And if that doesn't stir
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you to to pick up the phone and say something
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positive to that young man at sixty seven years of
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age dealing with it, it can hit us. It can hit
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us at any time. I mean it's it's it's an illness.
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It's a sickness. I get it. You can catch you
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can catch COVID at any age, any and you cant's
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this six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
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one seven, nine three one ten thirty give us a call.
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I think it's important and have the courage that Donnie had. UH.
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If you are a beneficiary of a Section thirty five situation,
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feel free to join the conversation. UH, if you want
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to talk about what you might do and would you
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have the guts to actually take someone or or petition
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that someone be committed civilly, let me know. And if
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you think I'm way off base and it's none of
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my business and none of your business, feel free. Six
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one seven, two, five, four ten thirty, six one seven
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nine to three one ten thirty. At ten o'clock, we
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are going to talk about Justin Timberlake's diagnosis of having
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lime disease. But we're more importantly going to talk with
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an expert, a doctor who's been on this show before,
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about the long term implications of either undie gnosed or
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improperly treated lime disease. And it will scare the the
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Bajzadi of trust me on that. Okay, stay with us,
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and then we're going to do our twentieth hour, and
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I'm going to ask you at eleven o'clock tonight to
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tell me the best your best childhood memory, your best
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summertime childhood memory of when you were younger. Well, coming
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right back on nightside, let's light these lines up. I
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get one line at six one seven, two four ten
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thirty and one at six one, seven, nine three, one
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ten thirty. This is an uncomfortable topic to talk about,
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but think about how uncomfortable and how much curried courage
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Donnie had to get this conversation started back on Nightside right.
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After this, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on
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w BZY, Boston's news radio.
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All right, let's get right to the calls. Try to
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get everybody in. I promise people have called late. Let's
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go to Betty on the boat. Betty, how are you doing?
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By the way, I talked to you about a week ago,
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and I know you're struggling with a little bit of
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an issue.
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Yeah, I'm still struggling.
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Okay, it's okay, you're going to You're gonna survive, Go
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right ahead.
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Yeah.
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And somebody said, Betty, you cured a cat or renal failure.
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You're going to cure yourself or whatever You've got.
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I know you.
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I don't know if I've ever told you this before,
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but there's a lady out of Arizona, Albuquerque, New Mexico. Albuquerque,
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New Mexico. Her name is Kathleen de May Song. She
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has a ninety two percent success rate of keeping people sober. Wow,
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and she does it through diet and that she's a
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public fact. And it's a published in the in the
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Doctrines of medicine, and I feel as though that I
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believe that some people need to step for others when
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they can't speak for themselves. But if that situation presents,
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then you have to have your big boy pants on
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that day and accept the help that's being offered to you.
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Yeah. I mean Donnie who was a first caller. He
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really epitomized someone who accepted it. And I hope and
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I pray that he is that he continues to be successful.
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Yeah, I do too. And one of the biggest things
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is when people coming off of alcohol, the first thing
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they do is they go and replace it with sugar,
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which is just as addictive as cocaine. It's only one
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molecule different, and you go to I was visiting a
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person in Detoks recently and all they did was go
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eat ice cream, and I took it away from them.
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I was just going to stop it. You're not going
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to get better.
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Well, yeah, right, you're right. I mean, you're right, as
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we talked about that last hour. Actually everything in moderation,
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but it's tough. I mean all addictions, all of us
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are addicted to something, even the people who are in
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the best condition, they're addicted to being in the gym,
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and people will spend four or five hours in the
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gym every day because they want to have the perfect physique.
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And I guess any addiction is eventually tough.
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Yeah, And to give it up, you have to be
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willing to walk away from it. It's I go buy
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an ice cream stand every night on my way, either
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two or from the above. And there are many hot
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nights I'd like to stop in there and get it myself,
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an ice cream cut. And I say, you're stupid, fool,
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you can't do it.
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Ok.
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But acceptance is a big part of the process of
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healing thyself.
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Yeah, no, no, no question, no question about that, for sure,
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for sure. Just stay well. You gotta you got some battle.
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But you're you're strong enough, I know, and you're gonna win.
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You're gonna win that battle, and I want.
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I will do that. You take care, sir, that.
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You too, Betty, And and and be good to the
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new cat that you've that you now have as a pet.
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Okay, lost girl is doing fine.
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Excellent, excellent.
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Good to know, thanks so much better.
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Good night. Okay, Let's get one more in here before
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the break, and then we'll go to break. Gonna go
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to Robin Medford, Rob you and next on nights go
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right ahead.
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Hey, Dan, forgive me for being a dreamer, but I
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feel that there ought to be a community for these folks,
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and not just one community. There ought to be communities
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established throughout the country. This is a national problem. We
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have people that have abused problems and psychological problems. Why
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can they not be communities for them, like little communities
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where they can live and go and learn how to
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function and take The politicians are not responsible for what
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they say, won't tell us what they spend their money on.
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Why could they not take like two billion dollars and
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build a community that would house like, say, oh, I
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don't know, five hundred people from Malnia casts and give
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them all the things in that little you know, I mean,
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start a new place where they have a little hospital,
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they have a little woodworking shop, they can get their
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lives together. And this wouldn't just be for voluntary I mean,
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this wouldn't be just for committed people, but it could
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be voluntary. Dan, I think that we have the youth
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situation that would benefit from this. That money is so
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wrongly spent. They ought to be able to establish these
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little communities. I don't know if I can mention like
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some of these warrior projects, but they set up individual
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like small little towns and communities like in off to
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themselves where they can function and be amongst themselves in
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some maybe some wooded lake area.
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Well you know what, Rob, again, I think I don't
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know if such communities exist. There are there, There's lots
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of help for people who have addictive problems. Okay, but
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first of all, a lot of people who have addictions
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are unwilling to admit it, and a lot of people
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who have addictions like being addicted. They may tell you
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they don't like being addicted, but if they didn't like
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being addicted, there are programs that exist. All I'm talking
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about right now is is this article by Joan Vanaki
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in which, you know, I thought it was refreshing to
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see the theory that she took. Yes, it's it's you know,
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I'm sure that that your attitude is let these people
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live whatever lives they want. The problem is.
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No, no, no, no, straighten their lives out, Dan. This is
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if you build it, they will come. These could be
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like uh like rehab communities.
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So let me ask you this, So they would have
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to go there voluntarily and they couldn't use while they
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were there.
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Right, absolutely, they would, they would check in and they would,
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but it would it would, Dan. If you build it,
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they will come.
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But what I'm saying is what I'm saying is there
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are problem there are programs like that now, Rob, and
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there are a lot of people.
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Who are not attractive to these folks.
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Then it's not like, what do you want to do,
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like build.
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A million dollar homes so that they could have an
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individual I don't know, Rob.
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I have about little thirty thousand dollars shacks in a community,
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like little mini homes. Like instead of spending two billion
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dollars on housing illegal people, why don't we spend it
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on the mal needed cast giving it up and thirty
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thousand dollars.
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Okay, let's let's do this, Rob, Let's do this. You
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always feel strongly about it, and I very much appreciate
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your call, but I'm up on my break. Let's see if.
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Where did our money go. They won't let us. They
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won't let that lady find out what did the taxpayers
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spend their money on. They won't even tell us.
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You know you're talking about what you're talking Let me
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explain what you're talking about there for people who don't
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know what you're talking about, you're talking about is the
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state auditor, Diana Dezaglio, who wants to actually do an
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audit of the legislature, which the public voted overwhelmingly for.
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So you're you're right on that point. I agree with
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you totally.
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We spent.
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Rob stop yelling at me, first of all. Second of all,
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I took you before the break so you wouldn't have
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to sit through the break. But I got to take
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a break. Now. Let's see if there are people who
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want to respond to your suggestion. Fair enough.
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I'm just emotional, Dan, It's just say I know that.
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But again, you're running time now and I hit people
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who are waiting. So I'm going to thank you for
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your call. Apologize, you have to apologize. Have a great night.
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Good night. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
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You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
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news radio.
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A right back to the college.
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Go.
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Let me go to William down in Maryland. Hey, William,
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welcome back. How are you sir?
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Hey? How you doing Dan?
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We're doing right. I'm a little bit on time, buddy,
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so I'm gonna push you a little bit here. Everybody's
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stolen some of your time. What's your thought on this?
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Uh?
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My thought is that we have the same problem here
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in Baltimore. It's an area down here called Pennsylvania North Avenue.
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They call it penn North. We just had twenty seven
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people over those last week.
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Wow.
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It's an area where people it's like an open air
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drug moutfit. It's right as a metro stop. They're out there,
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twenty four to seven people laying all over the place.
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Uh.
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You see people standing in there like zom leaving all that.
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And you know, I'm to color with myself.
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Dan.
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I got, I was, I had ten years, and then
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when my wife passed away in twenty sixteen, I drank
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again and I went pre covered Recenters of America in
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twenty eighteen. And I've been told every since, all through
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the pandemic and everything.
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Yeah, I've been called here. I did not realize that
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you had had survived that. But congratulations and hats off
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to you, William. And it can be done.
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Yes, then with AA and uh, you know, getting getting
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the sponsored us for a long time for them ten years.
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When I got married, I just got I just said, well,
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I'm not going to be like my father was an
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alcoholic and my mother divorced him. Right, And when I
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got married, I got married late. But uh, I said,
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when I got married, I wasn't going to do my
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wife like he did it, like he did my mother.
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So I stopped drinking. I didn't drink. I went to AA,
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but I didn't have a sponsor, and I stayed solder
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the whole time I was married because my wife died
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twelve years we were together and U and of course
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I fell off, you know, after passed away for like
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a year, almost two years, I went and got help
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through my job. You know, I was working alcoholics. I
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did go to work, but uh, I drink, you know,
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and uh you know, I I you know, but I've
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got the AA and now one day at a time,
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I'm going to stay so it is help, right, Like
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I was trying to explain to this guy here in
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Baltimore on the radio, I said, with these people that's
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not working right, and they're drug addict, an alcoholic. They
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come with crimes they just hadn't got caught.
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Right.
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So when I years ago, when I when I first
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got introduced to alcoholics anonymous, it was through the court system.
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Right.
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Jard said, I'm looking at the record of mister Twyce,
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and uh say, I see everything wrong here is alcohol related, right,
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he says. So, he said, I see that you work.
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He said, I'm going to I'm going to send these
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people prot Rational Department, and you have to attend the
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are meetings or you.
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Will go to jail.
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Right, that saved your life.
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Yes, So I think that they're introduced to the AA
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or any program at least it into d sto it right,
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and and and did and first of all, you got
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a d capital so they're don't have to go into
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a twenty eight day program like I did. A couple
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of centers of America. I will call it the uh,
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I will call it the hotel system because it's a
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great place. I mean, they really teaching good you know.
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Uh, congratulations, William I got to sea here. Do me
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a favor. I was worried about you the other day.
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I thought of I said, I haven't talked to Williams
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and William in a couple of months, so, uh, don't
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be a stranger.
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Okay, Oh well, I want I'll be listening to you.
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I'll be listening. Sometimes those really hot topics.
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Okay, thanks Williams.
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I'm talking.
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So have a great weekend, all right, have a good night.
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YouTube. You go next to Gina in Bridgewater. Gina next
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on Nice, I go ahead, hello, oh Gina, you got
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to help me out here and talk into that right
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into that that better?
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Now?
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Better now, Gine, just put it right by the mouth piece.
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Go ahead, all right, And no, I just want to
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say that if anyone does admit anyone they section him,
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it's a good thing, because it's a hard thing to do.
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Because I remember, many many years ago, I did it
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to someone that was older than myself.
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I was younger.
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Yep, you only have to go in front of the
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bloods and without them knowing that it was hurtful. But
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I did the best thing for them because I knew
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if I didn't do that, they would have be the
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ben in jail or something bad would have happened.
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So I stepped up.
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I did it.
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I didn't know if it was the right thing, but
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his buddy, his best friend, told me, don't even call him,
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don't go see him. Wait for him to call you
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and he will thank you. And believe me, I never
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seen a man with kids in his eyes when I
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went to visit him and he did me because he
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probably would have been dead if I didn't do that.
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So, Gina, that is such a great that is such
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a great story.
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It should be someone that really know the person, not
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just anybody looking at somebody and looking down at him
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because a lot of them people don't want to be
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like that. He was an alcoholic, okay, and a lot
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of people out there don't want to be like that.
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They really don't. It's bad. And they even say that
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they want to get out of it. That they do
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want to get out of it. But it has to
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be the white people that can connect with them.
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Oh that's great, Gina. Thank you so much for having
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the courage to do what you did. Thank you for
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having the courage to call the program tonight. I have
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one other caller. I'm going to give just about a
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minute too, but please call a little earlier this weekend,
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have longer conversations. Okay, thank you, Thanks Gina, have a
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great weekend. All right. Gina has stepped aside. Dick in Topsfield.
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I got it a little over a minute for you.
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Go ahead, Dick.
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Thank you to taking my car Dan. My older mother
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Tolly has noting alcohol.
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He was an.
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Alcohol for thirty five years. He goes to AA seven
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days a week. On the weekend, he runs them and
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he lives in Connecticut. He's done so him for thirty
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five years. And I give him medallions every five years,
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and he puts it on my mother's headstone. He's got
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pouring them over there. And then hehow when he was drinking,
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he lost his license a couple of times, and lost
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good jobs. None of that anymore. He straightened himself out.
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I'm proud of him.
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Well, he should be proud of you because you've you've
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supported him all along. Uh, Dick, I'm flat out of time.
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I'm gonna let you run and we will talk soon.
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Okay, Thanks Dick, keep up good, keep up a good work.
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Dan, Thank you, my friend. Talk to you soon. Coming
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back on the other side, we're going to talk about
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justin Timberlake. He has lime disease. I hope he gets
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the proper treatment, medical treatment, and we're gonna be talking
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with longtime lime disease expert roomnologist, rheumatologist, male clinic trained
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doctor Alfred Miller. No one knows the implications of this
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disease better than doctor Alfred Miller, and please stay with us,
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and then we will spend it hour tonight, wrapping up
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the week, on the twentieth hour of the week, and
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basically going to ask you to tell us the best
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memory of your summers as a child, when best memory
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coming back one night's