Ancient Atlantean Prophecy for Humanity with Michael Le Flem

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today we welcome back Michael la Flem. Michael is a
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expert in the legend of Atlantis, and we spoke about
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not only Atlantis and things that we haven't heard about
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Atlantis before. But what we talked about was this prophecy
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for humanity's future that he is kind of uncovered while
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doing his research for Atlantis. So it's a pretty mind
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boggling episode. Guys, I really really think you're gonna like it.
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So sit back, relax, and let's dive in. I'd like
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to welcome back to the show returning champion Michael Flem.
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How you doing, Michael, Hey, al, thank you for having
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me back. Yeah.
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Man, our last conversation, dude, was fairly epic. Man. We
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went down the Atlantis rabbit hole. Man.
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We sure, man, Dude, I.
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Learned so much that book that you were referring to,
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the channeled all the channeled information. I forgot that really
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difficult book to read.
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Oh, a Dweller on two planets.
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The Dweller on two Planets, that's right. And I remember,
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you know what's funny after that, after that interview, you know,
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we had a link to that book and your book,
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and we started to see a lot of people buying
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that that old book. They wanted to go down that
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rabbit hole.
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Man. Yes, I don't want to take credit for it,
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because again, the author, you know, was a channeled spirit
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you know, named Felos according to Frederick Oliver, the guy
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who penned it. But yeah, we definitely made some some
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sales for that disembodied disincarnate spirit because I saw the
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same thing. I saw it going to number one actually
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a couple months after our show aired, and I thought,
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I don't think people out of nowhere are buying a
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channel book on Atlantis written in eighteen eighty six, because
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you know, CNN told him.
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So absolutely, man. So I wanted to have you back
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because I know you've you've you've continued your research, uh
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into Atlantis as it's an endless well that could take
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lifetimes too uncover, to say the least. So the first
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thing I wanted to kind of go down the road
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was is Edgar Casey. You know, we've spoken about Edgar
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Casey on the show a bunch in the past. He
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was one of the very first He was the first
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channel that I really was interacted with. Read his books,
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read the Atlanta I think I have the Atlantis book,
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but I have the original Edgar Casey Atlantis book, and
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it's a classic, and it's really interesting about how he
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he spoke about it so extensively. How did what is
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your research in regards to Edgar and understanding what Atlantis
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was based on what he was he was able to
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channel through.
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Well, that's a great question, and it really is a
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fundamental part of my book. And you know, Edgar Casey
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to me was somebody that I came to kind of
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in the middle of my research. I had started just
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as a historian myself, looking at the historical sources and
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you know, Plato and other Preplatonic sources and some Indian sources.
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But really I wanted to get, to the best of
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my ability, a clearer picture beyond just the traditional historical
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or geological or archaeological evidence. I wanted to go into
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that realm of clairvoyance's remote viewing, which you know has
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helped so many people in these types of searches and included,
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you know, including the CIA and the NSA, who have
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been using remote viewers since the seventies documented for military intelligence.
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And so I came across naturally Edgar Casey just at
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the bookstore, you know, in the Clairvoyant remote Viewing section,
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and didn't think much about it at first, you know,
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and then I read a couple of his biographies, and
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that's what really got me fascinated. You know, there is
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a River his first biography, which was written when he
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was alive by Thomas Sugrew, and then the one that
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put me over the edge to use him as a
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source was a incredible book. Here's another one that can
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go to number one on Amazon. It's one of the
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most beautifully written biographies period. But it's called A Seer
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Out of Season, and it was written by a guy
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named doctor Harmon Brow who he was an intern at
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the University of Chicago who in the I think mid
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forties during World War Two, he his wife actually got
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an invitation to be an intern with Edgar Casey and
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he was, you know, just a nineteen twenty year old kid,
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and he actually went down to Virginia Beach and so
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for the last about three years of Edgar Casey's life,
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because I think he died in nineteen forty five, this guy,
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who was a very strict skeptic, materialistic, you know, thinking person,
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witnessed all these incredible hypnogogic transcessions that Edgar Casey gave
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for missing persons or health readings, and then he started
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to hear things about religion, the Life of Christ, and
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then finally Atlantis. And I use him because he was there.
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He was incredibly skeptical, you know, just like so many
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other people who eventually, you know, came from Harvard, Princeton, Stanford.
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These doctors who heard about Casey and came to try
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to debunk his abilities but were unable to. And actually
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he was reported on the New York Times. So Edgar
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Casey was famous in his own time, mainly for giving
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medical readings about people's rare illnesses at a time when
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naturopathic medicine was under attack by the Flexner Report and
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the Rockefeller kind of pharmaceutical the origins of the current
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medical system we have today. But within these readings, occasionally
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he would mention this lost civilization, you know, in a
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very mundane way. He would just say, well, this illness
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is caused by your failure to address karmic issues you
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dealt with with your husband in the second Destruction of
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Atlantis in twenty eight thousand BC, you know, which, to
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people from Virginia Beach who are traditional Southern Christians in
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the nineteen forties, this must have sounded ridiculous, and so
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thank god Alex he had a stenographer Gladys Davis with
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him for at least you know, ten thousand of his
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you know, fourteen thousand plus readings. And so there's an
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entire enormous physical archive in Virginia Beach that has all
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of his data and has thanked God for the purposes
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of my book, digitized it with search functions, and so
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I was able over seven years to go through all
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the Atlantis readings and really collect like kind of corroborate
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about twenty years of readings he gave, you know, from
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about nineteen twenty three twenty four, that's when he first
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started talking about Atlantis, and then it started to get
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more frequent towards the forties. But over span of about
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twenty years, you know, spread out over months between each reading,
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this word and this topic would come up. And so
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I pieced together all the dates, all the people, all
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the names he said on a kind of grand storyboard,
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and then tried to corroborate that with archaeological, geological and
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historical data from multiple countries and multiple sources and see
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where it aligned. And to my great shock, almost every
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single thing he said about that subject, I found evidence
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that suggested he was telling some version of the truth.
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That's crazy. Now, you just said something that I hadn't
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heard before twenty eight thousand BC. Yes, so my understanding
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was that during the last younger driest is when Atlantis fell.
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It's a great question.
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Yeah, And then that.
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Maybe I didn't mention, but he notes that there are
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three major destructions, the first being of what would have
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been a much larger almost where the entire mid Atlantic
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Ridge north of South America now occupies continent sized land mass,
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which he claims was partially destroyed in a catastrophe around
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fifty thousand BC. So he puts the first destruction of
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Atlantis around fifty thousand BC. He put the second destruction,
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which was a technologically driven destruction by misapplication of a
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tremendous power crystal that they were using at twenty eight
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thousand and then the most famous and really the one
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that people referred to as the default, would be the
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one around ten thousand BC or ninety six hundred BC,
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depending on how you look at that. I would say
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that destruction lasted many hundreds of years, And of course
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Plato was telling the truth. There was one day where
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it did sink and was destroyed. But as Casey describes,
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he adds a much more realistic and rich texture to
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the story for the final destruction, at which point Atlantis,
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as the global seafaring culture that it was, had been
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reduced to three islands, which he identifies as post Side,
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Arion and Og and post Side. Of course, I believe,
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I would argue, is really what Plato was describing when
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he describes the totality of Atlantis. He's really focusing on
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the capital city within the island of post Side, within
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the remaining archipelago of the Atlantian Empire in its third
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and final destruction.
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and now back to the show.
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I really wanted to in the book explain that because
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I think it was just there was so much information
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from so many different sources and so many different people
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who were getting kind of pieces, you know, pieces of this,
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pieces of that, pieces of that, but none of these
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people were really talking to each other, because the average
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historian won't admit clairvoyant evidence as real, even if a
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date is given and that data directly aligns with geological data.
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Or as I tried to show, I came at it
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as a skeptic myself, and I anticipated readers being skeptical,
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so I wanted to show them things that Edgar Casey
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did discover that were verifiable, like, for instance, the configuration
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of all the geopolitical powers that would be a rat
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against each other in World War two, about a decade
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before the war broke out, when it was not at
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all clear that there would be an alliance between the
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countries that were later at war. Number two, an ancient
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river system that used to start at the Nile and
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empty into the Atlantic Ocean near the Congo. He said
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this existed in the thirties. Nobody took it seriously. It
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was just part of a life reading. Well, in nineteen
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eighty six, shuttle imaging radar determines there is a river
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that's exactly where he said it would be, and many
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other things.
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You know.
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People used him to try to find Amelia Earhart, believe
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it or not, her actual husband was in the room
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asking him what happened to my wife? You know. Woodrow
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Wilson consulted with him. Even Nikola Tesla got a reading
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from Casey. So he was famous in a kind of
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inner circle, esoteric circle kind of way. And Atlantis I
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mentioned was only I think five hundred or so readings
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from a catalog of over fourteen ten thousand, so he
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wasn't even interested in the subject. He said personally, when
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he was waking, he would read the transcription and say, well,
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that doesn't sound like what's in the Bible. But I
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don't know, you know. And that's another reason I liked him,
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because he himself was skeptical of what he was saying.
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But then what other people who were experts in Egyptology
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or Assyrian genealogy would say, how did you know this
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name of this Kaldean king at this time? And he's
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I don't know, I don't know. I'm just channeling the
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super conscious mind the Acostic records. I don't know anything
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when I'm awake, you know.
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And it's fascinating. It's fascinating because when he's talking about
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when he's talking about these things, he himself was like
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a fear of God, fear a God fearing you know,
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Christian man, if I'm not mistaken correct.
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Yes, he was a Southern Baptist, I believe. Yeah. And
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his son said, one of my favorite vignettes in the
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book is my favorite to write. Was it's like a
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movie scene, you know, from Oppenheimer a beautiful mind or something.
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This article comes out, I think it's in the New
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York Times and it says sleeping profit cures illnesses, you know,
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And it was like a front page story from the
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twenties in the New York Times. And I had a
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picture of him, you know, lying on his couch in Hopkinsville, Kentucky,
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as a you know, twenty nine year old man or
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something at the time. And this Harvard psychologist named doctor
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Hubert Munsterberg I believe his name was. Who is this
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very stern German, you know, cartoonish towering figure of psychology
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from Harvard says I'm going to get under train. I'm
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going to go to this you know, hillbilly in Kentucky's
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house and I'm going to debunk him on record, and
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you know this is documented in his biography. And doctor
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Munsterberg shows up and he looks around Casey's little shack
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he was living in at the time, and he says, okay,
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how do you do this? And Casey says, you know what,
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like from Harvard's psychology, like, what are you doing in Hopkinsville,
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Kentucky in the twenties. And he says, you must just
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be cherry picking facts from Oman X. So I'm going
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to look around in your house. Do you mind if
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I look around? And you know, like Christoph Waltz from
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Inglorious Bastard's kind of vibe. And he looks around and
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he's like, okay, I don't see anything, just the Bible,
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the newspaper, some romance novels. And Casey says, yeah, I
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don't use any of that, and he says, like, well,
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how do you do it? Says I just go to
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sleep and then I say things and she writes it
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down and people tell me it helps them, and as
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a Christian, that's all I care about. And he says,
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so you don't know anything when you're awake, but you
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know everything when you're sleeping, and Casey just stared him
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down and says, that's what they say. And he says,
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this other doctor told me about you, doctor Wesley Ketchum
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from I think Princeton or Stanford. And he says, yeah,
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doctor Ketchum was the reason I got in the New
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and I don't even need to see them. And he says,
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so you, doctor Ketchum tells you what's wrong with the people,
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then you go into your chance. He says no, and
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he says, can I talk to this doctor Ketchum. He says, yeah,
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he's in a hotel down the street. And a week
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later Munsterberg went back to Harvard and said, this is real.
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This is something we have to take seriously because I
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witnessed two readings with my own eyes with another Stanford
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doctor and this man is tapping into something we don't understand.
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how do you know this? You know these weird like
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Babylonian you know, gods or kings or something, and it's
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it's it's before the Internet, it's before chatchypt is, before
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any of this.
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He's so even available Alex in the public libraries of Kentucky. Well, yeah,
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you've gotten access to Calais, right, or a.
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Encyclopedia wouldn't even have had that information. And a standard
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New World Old School that's how I'm dating myself. A
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New World or Britannica encyclopedia wouldn't even have had something
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like that. So it is it's baffling of what Edgar
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was able to do.
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It was really really bad relying yes.
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Now, so you were So you mentioned the last destruction,
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which is the most famous because it was the closest
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to us and Plato, and that's what Plato was referring to,
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is the twelve thousand year ago younger dryest, younger dryest
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kind of time period. I really have never heard too
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much about the first, the second one, and the first
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one I love to dive in because if there was
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a destruction fifty thousand years ago, well then that means
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they had, as he claims, then there had to be
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a lead up to that. They didn't just like you know,
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five hundred years later, boom, No, there must So that
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means that humanity or a form of humanity was going
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around back then, because I know, according to even even
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mainstream humans, Homo sapien sapien has been around since two
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hundred and fifty thousand years or something like that.
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four hundred three hundred, right, yeah, yeah.
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Three hundred four hundred something like that. So it took
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a minute to get reved up. But if Atlantis was
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around fifty thousand years ago, well that's the first destruction,
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then how many thousands of years before the first destruction
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did it build this empire? So how much information do
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you have about these other first shows?
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That's an amazing question. And you know it's why I
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titled the book, you know, Visions of Atlantis, because, as
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I think I mentioned last podcast, really what these different
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timelines kind of represent. It's almost like, you know, if
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you've ever been to the eye exam and the optometrist
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is you know, changing like this one, you know, this
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one and the two hundred thousand emergence. Let's just say, conservatively,
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you know, quarter of a million years ago, people with
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the same physiology as us, in same brain capacity, same
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mental potential as us, existed conservatively a quarter of a
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million years ago. Taking that as a departure point, the
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lens is very blurry. You know, the vision is not clear.
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as I'm not going to tell you anything definitely, I'm
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just going to tell you, Look, here's the only available
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evidence I have for say, fifty seven hundred and twenty
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two BC, which was the precise date atgar Casey gave
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for this destruction. And using his specific date, I looked
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and I said, okay, what is his version of the
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origin you know of humanity? And it's very difficult because,
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like anything, I always tell people, if you think an
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esoteric immersience of life is bizarre, is it any more
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bizarre than And I'm not saying it's right or wrong,
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I'm saying, is it any more bizarre than you know,
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the protoplasmic emergence of life in the Darwinian model, that's
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equally bizarre.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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You know. And so when I tell people what Edgar
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Casey said about how humanity originated, you know, take it
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with the grain of salt. But it's also it's supported
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by a lot of indigenous traditions around the world. And
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I think that's important as well, because just like he
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could have had no knowledge of, you know, Caldean King's List,
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he had definitely no knowledge of Quitowa people's oral traditions
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from the forties and things like this that I didn't
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even have an easy time discovering with the powers of
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the internet. And so to answer your question, you know,
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he places at a kind of pre fifty thousand. He
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doesn't give a specific date for say the origin, but
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it's it's actually close probably to that one hundred and
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fifty one hundred and twenty thousand BC type time where
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he describes a being called Emilius who really was a
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kind of like Christ's consciousness presence who later was embodied
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in the person of say yes, youa But it's this
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kind of like light bringing androgynous being that comes or incarnates,
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because this is still a time case, he says, where
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certain beings had a kind of ethereal presence and could
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project themselves into materiality to interact with the hominids that
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we're evolving and the kind of proto humans and all
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the things that we see in the fossil record, and
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he kind of brought this early evolution and the division
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of the sexes and this kind of like standardization of
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the human form, which you know, Casey says had gone
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through many alterations over the years, and then from that
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and he doesn't give really any definite knowledge about pre
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fifty thousand BC. In fact, I think there's maybe like
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five total readings that even discuss the third iteration or
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the original you know iteration. But he says, you know,
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the five races incarnated based on a kind of color
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spectrum perfection of the different qualities that each human being
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intrinsically has. And it was a very it's very bizarre reading.
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but it's not in a superiority ranking. It's just like
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each race, which he you know, he calls them by colors,
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the black race, the brown race, the yellow race, the
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white race, and the Red race, which would be Native Americans,
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and he places the Red race as the original Atlanteans.
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tribes are direct descendants of the Originals. But of course
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this was a you know, enormous time span over multiple cataclysms,
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so you can't really claim that there was an indigenous
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or single origin group, you know, from which all these
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other branches came. Case he said, at the same time
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that Emilius appeared in Atlantis, he appeared in four other
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places at once, because this wasn't a purely human person.
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This was a thought presence that could project itself into materiality.
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And he says all these races actually formed at the
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same time, and that there was no evolution from monkeys
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out of Africa. He actually categorically denied that because somebody
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asked him that directly, but he says much more complicated.
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He says, we were intervened with We were a project,
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you know, which I would argue the Old Testament talks
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about directly. The Sumerian records talk about it. He doesn't
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go into too much detail. It's a very confusing point,
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but he does mention that by fifty seven hundred and
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twenty two BC, all the megafauna that existed at that time,
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the giant lizards that were four times the size of
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a modern komodo dragon in the Pacific, and carnivorous kangaroos
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and giant eagles and dire wolves in North America and
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Woolier right. He says, the people were dealing with this
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and they had reached a kind of alternate, very different
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than our type of technology, almost like a kind of
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steampunk if you want to think of it that way,
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level of technology that had very different manipulation of energy.
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combat this you know, animal menace as he calls it,
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he says, there were numerous global conferences where people met
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in these kind of zeppelins that were made from the
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hides of pachyderms that existed on the Atlantean continent and
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on the continental shelf, and that's been proven. They've found
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elephant bones far far out into the Atlantic Ocean, and
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Plato says there were elephants on Atlantis as well. In
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case he says, in this first kind of like attempt
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at technology, they went this kind of like non electrical route,
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almost like a steam punk kind of They used gas
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to power the balloons, and it could entrain to a
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kind of crystal that would guide it. And at one
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point he says that this crystal, which he called the
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death ray, which is interesting because that's the same name
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that Tesla would later call one of his you know,
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alleged mensions. And Casey says it was kind of like
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able to be used in the way that you know,
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harp can bounce things off the iono sphere. He says
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it was a directed energy weapon essentially that wasn't exactly
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like a laser, but it was able to seismically affect
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parts of the Earth, and in trying to deal with
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this animal menace, the World Congress fifty seven to twenty
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two BC deployed this weapon, and it had kind of
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catastrophic environmental impacts. It did destroy a lot of the
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megafauna that were marauding the planes and you know, certain
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places in the world. But it precipitated a pull shift,
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he claimed at the time that was already in progress.
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It exacerbated it and began the breakup of the original
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continent of Atlantis, which he claimed stretched as far as
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Cuba all the way through mid Atlantic up to present
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day remnant probably of the third and final iteration, which
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would be the Asaurus and off the coast of Portugal.
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And he claims that you know, after that, the remnant
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populations were able to you know, still continue because there
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was still enough of the five large islands left, but
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that it had fundamentally changed and begun migrations to parts
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of Central America and Africa. But you know, to my
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great shock when I did a search of was there
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a megafonal extinction around fifty thousand BC, because that's the case,
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he said they'd deployed a weapon to kill animals, would
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you believe? And take it with the grain of salt
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like everything I say that The Journal of Quaternary Sciences,
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which is a prestigious you know, Journal of Archaeology and
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Natural Sciences. They said that recently, you know, six years ago,
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they did determine that there was an unknown mass extinction
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event of megafonel animals around fifty thousand BC plus or
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minus one hundred years, which to me is a statistical
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data point that they didn't say forty, they didn't say thirty,
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you know, and things like this Alex just started popping
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up again and again and again. And what I always
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tell people with dates is, you know, just like you know,
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another podcast host said month time, when you're trying to
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convince people that are skeptical, you know about say JFK,
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everybody starts with the most arcane facts. And well, Ruth
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Payne and you know, was wearing this dress on this day,
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and did you know about the two oh one file
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in the CI And He's like, just start with this.
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If they think the original story is correct, why was
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there a bullet coming through the windshield from the front,
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Why was that bullet removed? Why was the windshield removed
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at a crime scene? It's the same with this. I
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always tell people, if you believe one thing, I say,
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here's in your refutable fact that you don't need Edgarcacy,
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for Plato said in the year three to sixty BC,
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when he wrote his dialogues Tomaeus and Critias in three
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sixty BC, Plato placed the destruction the final destruction of Atlantis,
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at nine thousand, six hundred BC. He said this in
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three sixty BC, when there was no geological evidence, no
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idea of how the Younger Dryas took place, beyond quote
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unquote legends from Egypt. And what else does he say
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in that dialogue? He says, you have a myth of
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a kid called Phaeton who loses control of his father's
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chariot and falls to the sky and burns up everything
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upon it. And the priest says to sult Now you
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think that's a myth, But every once in a while,
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a comet descends on Earth destroys everything on it, and
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you Greeks, who don't record things in stone, have to
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begin again like children. That's why you're here asking the
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Egyptians who come from Atlantis what the hell happened.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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And so what are the chances that Plato, if this
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is a mythological story which he disclaims initially is not.
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He says that in the character of I think as
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critty as telling Socrates, this is a strange story, but
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every word of it is true. Nine thousand years before
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my great great uncle Solon went to the temple of Nath,
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that says, there was this cataclysm, and lo and behold,
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what does mainstream geology do? They place that same date
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as the beginning of our current era after a cataclysmic flood,
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probably caused by a common impact, possibly in the Atlantic
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Ocean near where the Carolina Bays is are. That's one theory.
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But what are the odds that Plato knew the exact
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date within one hundred years of the end of the
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Ice Age in three sixty BC if he was making
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another allegory of the cave to teach, you know, virtue
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and all this craft that people want to put on him,
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you know. And I'd take the approach that like Maoo
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Bilino and other great scholars that I prefer, excuse me,
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that I respect tremendously do, which is like, let's not
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translate the Bible into what we want. Let's just say,
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what were these people saying in Hebrew? Whatever the consequences
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of that, you know, and I just did the same thing.
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Let's just actually go through. Let's read, to the best
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of my ability, what did these ancient sources say. And
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then let's read very carefully what did Edgar Casey say?
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How can I prove that he said that? You know,
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let me go through the chain of custody and to
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do that with all my clairvoyant sources, because I don't
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just want to say that a person sat on a
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couch and said this. I want to say this was
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in the context of a person who had been absolutely
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verified by dozens of skeptics, who had academic credentials in
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the respective fields he was talking about, which is not
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just an average source. That's a tremendous asset.
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So, Michael, you were mentioning the fifty thousand year ago
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plus character, we'll call him, a character of this embodied
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consciousness who rejected himself and four five different places around
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the world something like that, and he was basically a
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consciousness or I say heat, but it was basically a
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consciousness and projected into the physical realm to interact with us.
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When you said that, the first thing that popped into
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my head was Baba g a you're familiar without you're
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familiar with Baba G. Vaguely, vaguely yeah, uh Yogananda Paramahaza Yogananda,
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who's on my on my show, behind my shoulder there.
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He wrote in the Autobiography of a Yogi about Baba G,
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a character or yogi who is the master of Masters
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who trained uh Yeshoah, who trained Buddha. It's been around
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for thousands of years and is still currently alive in
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the Himbalayas as we speak.
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I've heard about the just now I do recall, yes.
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Yeah, and he comes and goes whenever he wants. Sometimes
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he incarnates for a few years he did. I think
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back in the sixties or something, there was a moment
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that a boy just showed up, no history, and and
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and he did a whole bunch of stuff and then
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he just is gone, that kind of and there's pictures
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of them and everything. I mean, there's still there's photos
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of them, but that that that just brought it me
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to when you said that, it just brought me to it.
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And the reason I bring it up is because the
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more that I do what I do, I mean, I'm
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a I'm a form of a researcher, even though I'm
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not writing books like you are. But I've spoken to
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hundreds and hundreds of people from different walks of life.
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And what I keep finding, and I'd love to hear
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your thoughts on this, what I keep finding is the
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similarities from the different walks of life. They're just there's
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truths that keep ringing again and again, and I keep
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hearing them from near death experiences, from channelers, from psychics,
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from quantum physicists, from mystics, from Yogi's and they all
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seem to keep coming up. And is that what you
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found in your research?
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But in their origin story, you know, they talk about
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in the beginning there was the word. It's like the
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this is a pre Christian society, you know, and where
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are they getting like, you know, logos and this idea
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of a cosmic word that can form simatic physical matter,
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which is what they're describing. I mean, how the hell
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did they know this? You know? So I find that interesting,
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you know, and it's also astounding. Alex like, we think
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that And I always tell people like, we are the
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victims in many ways of our own kind of medieval
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and I'm not, you know, trying to just trash medieval
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Christianity or the Catholic Church. I grew up in Catholic school,
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and yeah, you know, I went to Cardino Gibbons. But
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you know that. But I'm saying the political arm and
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it's it's control over a certain type of human narrative.
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Even atheists today who have no you know, religious you know,
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beliefs or anything, they're still influenced by that way of
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thinking from that Church of Rome. Control of the past.
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And I always tell people, you know, I was reading
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a book and the guy made such an interesting point.
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He said, you know, there were people teaching kids in
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Greek academies two thousand, two hundred years ago about the
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spherical movement of the planets, and then a thousand years
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later people think the world is flat, you know. And
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it's like this idea that we've always progressed in a
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teleological aggregate form of knowledge, even in recorded history, is false.
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You know. The pre Socratic philosophers in ancient Greece had
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a better understanding of the size of the Earth, its
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relation to the solar system, you know, and we just
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are taught that. Oh you know, Copernicus came along one day,
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you know, and then Columbus came along one day, and
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you know, well, where did Columbus get the maps where
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he already knew the continent was beyond? Because as we
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know the pie Reus map which shows Antarctica free advice,
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where did they get that map? People don't usually remember this.
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Pirie Reus says in his notes that even though that
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map comes from the early fifteen hundreds, in Istanbul, he says,
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we captured a Spanish sailor in a war who had
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sailed with Columbus three times and he had this damn map.
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So right there, it's like, okay, And what does piri
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Reus say? He says, and Columbus had been using maps
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that dated to the time of Alexander the Great, so
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you're going back now to the fourth century BC, third
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century BC. They knew that Antarctica had been ice freak.
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They also when they sent that map in the fifties
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to the naval map making team in the United States Navy,
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they looked at the map and they said, who made this?
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And the guy said, this is from you know, the
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fifteen hundreds, but they think it's you know, thousands of
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years old. He says, this is impossible. This map requires
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aerial surveys, and in fact, the United States used the
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perie Reus map to update some of their military maps.
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So this again is like what I really wanted to
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convey in the book. It's almost like I used Atlantis
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as a subject of inquiry to really I'm not saying
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trick the reader, because I think it's the most comprehensive
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book in one that you can get on this subject
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from a variety of sources. But I wanted to really
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show the professional bias that has surrounded not just this issue,
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but anything involving let's say the unknown or mysteries that
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haven't been you know, announced on the new nightly news
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or something like this.
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You know, it's fascinating the I agree with one hundred
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percent that humanity's journey is one of going up and down,
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going up and down, going up in its cycles cycles
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of evolution. There's cycles of growth and destruction, growth and destruction.
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It's very similar to uh, it mirrors our own life cycle.
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We yeah, And you know, speaking of cycles, Alex, you know,
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I hadn't read the work of my friend now and
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an incredible researcher, Babu dev Mistra. But two years after
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I published my book. He wrote his book Yuga Shift
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and he which I highly recommends, an incredible book. And
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I was so, you know, mad, because I said, why
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didn't you write this book two years before I published?
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Because there was a chart in that book that of
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all the evidence I presented, I was like, this is
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now impossible to just disclaim describe it as a kind
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of fable because in the yoga chart which he rectified,
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and he actually directly aligns with the procession of the
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equinox that twenty four thousand, roughly your cycle where the
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Earth passes through all the constellations, and what are the
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chances again that as he discovered, you know, the Maya,
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the Aztecs, the ancient Greeks, the ancient Egyptians, the Sumerians,
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and the ancient Indians all had this knowledge that we
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moved through ages. You know, Satya yoga treat a yoga
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creta yuga coli yoga which he claims ends in about
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a month, which is great, but it's like it's about time, but.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
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and now back to the show.
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Think about that that final cycle, you know, and it's
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bookended by two important events that he calls the Greeks
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called Captaclismos, which was a destruction by water, and then
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twelve five hundred years later roughly Ekpirosis, which we enter
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in March of twenty twenty five on his calendar, which
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is great, which is the destruction by fire or the
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cleansing by fire, But it doesn't mean literal always. It
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could be a process burning off waste. That's how I,
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you know, sleep at night. When I talked to Babu.
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I mean, but if it does come, I'll be on
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the mountain with you, with yogan Nanda holding hands and
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we'll all just vaporize together smoking.
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But that's exactly I mean as of this recording. Look
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what happened in La Well, yeah, I mean I've never
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seen I've never seen anything, never seen it.
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Very interesting. You said that. In fact, when those were happening,
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I was in communication with him and he just said,
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you know, it's this is venture and you know, I think,
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really though, what's what people need to remember is, you know,
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with all these cycles, it's almost like, you know, Frederick
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Oliver talks about this, the kid who channeled the twelve
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or on the Two Planets in eighteen eighty six, which
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we don't have time to go into too much, but
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is one of the most extraordinary sources I think that
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I put in the book. But he says that, you know,
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he even said that history is like a nut on
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a screw, you know, that goes up and then it
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goes down, and we forget that. We just think it
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keeps going up and up and up. But if you
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look at the dates for the Cataclismos, well when is it.
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It's exactly in that window of like ten thousand BC
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to ninety six hundred PC, you know, So somehow the
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ancients knew whether they could verify through geology or not,
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which likely they could since they had a lot of
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other inventions, I would argue, including Cristal's flying machines. They
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built the pyramids, I would argue around ten thy four
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hundred and fifty BC. I'll put that on record. That's
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what Casey said, and I've found a lot of evidence
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to support that. But these people were absolutely aware that
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nothing is forever, you know, and that these ages had
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to take place to bring in novelty, which was kind
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of the purpose of the whole human experiment, was just
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seeing the different ways and that's why I think a
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lot of these ancient cultures talk about this, you know,
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the fall, the rebirth, the regeneration. It's just the natural
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cycle of life. And why should civilizations be any different
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than the people that make up the civilization. It should
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actually be a mirror of us, not the other way around,
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I think.
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And it sounds very Joseph Campbell Hero's journey as well.
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I mean this like this kind of like this up
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and down, this destruction, the rebirth, the death and the rebirth,
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and it's just part of our It's just part of
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our story, our own our own mortality is that we
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are born, there is a cycle, and then we die,
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and that cycle varies by different people and so on.
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But when you brought the Yugas up, to my understanding,
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the Yugas were introduced in a way, the way the
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Yuga cycles that that I we know as well, was
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introduced by the book the Holy Science, by is the
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book that which is not an easy book to read.
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Uh, that's right, And you know all talked about he
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talked about, you know, because he can read these in
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you know, his own language, and a lot of these
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he said. What was going on was the Yuga cycle
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had been through mistranslation, like so much, it been kind
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of spiritualized into fantasy where the cali Yuga was stretching
716
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for four hundred or five hundred thousand years. And he
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discovered through another text that hadn't been really studied a lot,
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that really the dates were much shorter. And then when
719
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he discovered these two bookends, the Expirosis and the Cataclysmos,
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which adds six hundred years, he compared that to the
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processional cycle, or to the Greek's idea of the great
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year or the Mayan great year, in these different things,
723
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and he said, they're all the same, you know, they're
724
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actually all talking about the same thing, which is this
725
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universal precessional process that you know, because of the Earth's axis,
726
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it does change its position and then things happen, you know,
727
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And the Egyptians knew this when they told solon this story.
728
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They say history is cyclical, and every once in a
729
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while the gods send a comet, but it's not it's real.
730
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It's a rock that falls from the sky. And you know,
731
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just to show you how different we are from even
732
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the nineteenth century idea of say asteroids, you know, there
733
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was like a guy from like the Royal Society or something,
734
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or the Academy of like the Sorbonne. And I found
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this and I didn't put it in the book, but
736
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it was like from the eighteen sixties, and it was
737
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like a treatise that this extremely intelligent person wrote on
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the stupidity of believing that rocks fall from the sky,
739
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you know, And so you got to take all these
740
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things into consideration, Like we take for granted now after
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we've witnessed you know, say the Tunguska events, you know,
742
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one hundred and twenty years ago over Siberia, or we've
743
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seen you know, modern smaller pieces of meteorite that have
744
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.239
been recorded for the world to see. But we take
745
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for granted that, like people did not believe in this stuff.
746
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You know, that guy even in eighteen hundred was reading
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that account. He's like, oh, rocks, really, rocks fall from
748
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the sky. That's you know, that's interesting. Or if you
749
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told somebody alex in Edgar Casey's time that there were
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anatomical humans two hundred and twenty five thousand years ago,
751
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if you told an American professor of anthropology in nineteen
752
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forty that the human race goes back a quarter of
753
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a million years they would call you crazy because at
754
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that time they still thought humans were twelve to thirteen
755
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thousand years old. So that's another thing it is, but
756
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that's the truth. Nobody was talking about three hundred thousand
757
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years BC. One hundred years ago. Nobody, no anthropologists even
758
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believed such things, you know. So I always tell people
759
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bear this in mind that we are just barely, you know,
760
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recovering a lot of this reality, absolutely scratching the surface.
761
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.239
You know, we thought thirty years ago that Neanderthals and
762
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Homo sapiens couldn't interbreaed. Well we now know they can,
763
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So what else? Then they found a third and fourth
764
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Dennis Ovens, and then this and that, and it's like
765
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Homo florenciences, the little hobbit people they didn't even know
766
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they existed, or the giants. Imagine if an indigenous person said, oh,
767
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did you know, you know, my great great great grandfather
768
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fifteen thousand BC was a midget but not a dwarf,
769
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was a literal different species of anatomically miniaturized person, and
770
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they were battling giant lizards. You'd say, that's like Lord
771
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.960
of the Rings, that's really cute. Well, what did we
772
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find in that cave in flores, giant lizards, many mammoths,
773
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and many people. So these stories, you know, we can't
774
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just sit there, even with giants or stories of vimanas
775
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or any of these things that trigger people. It's like,
776
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let's just look at the facts. There are people alive
777
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today who are over eight feet tall. How the hell
778
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did that happen? Could there have been people that were
779
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that tall that were there are more of them? Yes? Probably?
780
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We know there were miniature people in caves and flores
781
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that were three feet tall. So when Egga Casey says
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in the beginning there were giant people that were twelve
783
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feet tall and there were miniature people that were three
784
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feets all, it's like, we're not that far from twelve
785
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feet Now. If you take the tallest person in the world,
786
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just go three feet more. And I know it sounds incredible,
787
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and I've heard the the blood pressure couldn't reach. But
788
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it's like, look, let's just take what people say and
789
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have an honest look at it, whether we're triggered by
790
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it or not, you know, And I think it takes
791
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a kind of certain personality to do this work. I've
792
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always been, you know, quite skeptical of anything, even my
793
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own research. That's why I think a lot of people
794
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really liked the book was I didn't proclaim anything as
795
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apps true, and I actually don't like people that say
796
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this is exactly what because you weren't there. You know,
797
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we don't know very much, believe it or not, about
798
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events that happened thirty years ago. They are entirely shrouded
799
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in mystery.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
801
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and now back to the show.
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So for anybody to tell you they know exactly what
803
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it was that Monday morning at noon when the big
804
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one hit on the shores of Post Side, you don't know,
805
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You have no idea, you know, And you can't just
806
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:42.199
say it was all fiction, because there actually is a
807
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:47.079
very clear record that something very serious did happen, and
808
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.000
there's a lot of evidence that Atlantis One was something
809
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.480
very close to what all these people were saying.
810
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Let me ask you this, Michael. You know, from from
811
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my point of view, we all as we move through life,
812
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have to believe in certain stories. And that's all they are,
813
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their stories unless you've experienced it, it's a story. So
814
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all religion is a story, All.
815
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History is the story.
816
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It's his story, it's his story, it's a history stories,
817
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.639
and yet there's been bloodshed and murder and all of
818
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.880
these things because they were like, no, this is my story.
819
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I have to I've put that, I've attached my ego,
820
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and I've attached my understanding of why I'm here to
821
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.320
this story. And if you challenge this story, it will
822
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.800
rock my foundation. So now I must kill you. And
823
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that's been going on throughout the throughout humanity as we
824
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.599
know it, over the last ten thousand years at least,
825
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if not longer. So I find it always so fascinating
826
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that people are so willing to die, so willing to
827
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hurt others for these stories. And then in academia it's
828
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:09.719
the exact same thing. Quantum physics is still looked as
829
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as the woo woo physics. Even though it's been good,
830
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.679
things have happened again and again and again, and they're
831
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.199
starting to come around to it with Atlantis, with any
832
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.199
historical thing. You were just talking about someone from the
833
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nineteen forties saying that humanity two hundred and fifty thousan
834
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.480
years ago would say you're crazy because they are holding
835
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.920
onto these stories. Would you agree that. I think if
836
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.719
we all just understand that these are beliefs that we
837
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.519
have no proof of anything. Look, I believe in Jesus,
838
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I believe in Yeshah. I believe that there was a
839
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man who walked and created miracles. I believe there was
840
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a Buddha you know, that walked. I believe there's a
841
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Baba g that walked. I know that there was a
842
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.440
Yogananda who walked, as he only died, you know, fifty
843
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.239
years ago, sixty years ago, something like that, in nineteen five, right,
844
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I think he died. So but there's a belief, there's
845
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.639
no real proof in it. I can't tell you that
846
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.239
there was a Jesus without a fact that, oh, well,
847
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:13.239
here's a picture of him.
848
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.960
You can't prove you're talking to a human being. This
849
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.840
could be an advanced AI. Absolutely.
850
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.480
Well, now we're going down the matrix world. Now we're
851
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:22.880
going down the matrix world, and now we're all in
852
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.599
a simulation and everything is is up for grabs at
853
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:27.280
that point, which is another conversation.
854
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.519
Well, you know, the thing is, I think it's it's
855
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unfortunate that you know the route that we could have gone. Yeah,
856
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.599
I always find it ironic, as somebody who studied philosophy
857
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and history in an academic setting. I always find it
858
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.920
ironic that, you know, we call Plato the founder of
859
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.679
you know, Western philosophy, along with Socrates and these people,
860
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:52.440
but we almost not only ignored, but like rejected all
861
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.400
of their radical reappraisals of reality, you know, like we
862
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.519
only like to talk about like we really are the
863
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.599
inheritor of like I would say, more like Aristotle, like
864
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.920
a very conservative kind of cataloging of events and reality
865
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.519
and ethical systems. But if you look at Plato for example,
866
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.159
I mean Plato would be at burning Men today. Plato
867
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.920
was an initiate of the Eleusinian mysteries where he tripped
868
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:27.159
on psychedelic ergot beer and then came out and created
869
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:33.119
these absolutely brilliant allegories like the allegory of the Cave,
870
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:36.400
which the writer of The Matrix directly cites as the
871
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.840
direct influence for the movie. And how many people use
872
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.440
the Matrix without even realizing there's Platonic. That's a Platonic
873
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.519
idea that goes back two thousand, four hundred years, that
874
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:53.199
this guy knew this, that we live in this weird,
875
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.840
you know, fake reality where we only see shadows on
876
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.519
the wall and if you knew the truth, they would
877
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.119
blind you. And if you came back to the cave
878
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.840
and told the people the truth, they would call you crazy.
879
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.800
And it's like, that's that if anything he said was true.
880
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:13.000
I think, particularly today, think about how many times, Alex,
881
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.000
in your life you've tried to explain to people, you
882
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.079
know that that aren't familiar with your work what you
883
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:24.440
do and their reactions. It's like what, yeah, okay, buddy,
884
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.280
and you're like, no, look, you're still chained in the cave.
885
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.920
There's there's other there's other things, I'm sure, buddy, Yeah, okay,
886
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.280
there's you mean there's a there's a place outside of
887
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.639
the cave. Yeah, right, you know. And I'm not even
888
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.880
saying like I never want to presume, you know, I know,
889
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.119
like a philosopher kill oh I I'm sitting at the
890
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.320
top of the mountain like Ustra and let me tell
891
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:52.239
you what to think. No, quite the contrary. This book
892
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.840
for me was just as much of a journey that
893
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.719
I did for myself. It was an intellectual exer So
894
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.400
just like I, you know, sit here and you know,
895
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.639
struggle with my you know, Phrygian scales and whatnot. On
896
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.119
the guitar. I did the same thing with the book.
897
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.519
It was like I went through the scales of history,
898
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:13.559
so to speak, and I looked at every combination, permutation,
899
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:18.800
using Atlantis as the focal point of my you know, deep,
900
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.960
really critique of everything I was taught about this time period.
901
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.760
And to my great shock, the evidence that I discovered
902
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:33.320
was overwhelmingly in support that there was something that was
903
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:38.639
completely destroyed that only left us few megalists around the world,
904
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:44.559
few language commonalities, but an abundance of ancient myths hundreds
905
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.960
around the world, from India, from the Mahabharata, from Plato,
906
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.280
from other sources. And then this emergence of this geological
907
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.440
record that's now aligning, and then this emergence of this
908
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.920
yoga that people are now becoming aware of. And I think,
909
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.360
as Edgar Casey said famously in an interview, he says,
910
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.960
you know, I think one day the the awareness of
911
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.039
people towards what I do, you know, is slowly changing.
912
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.519
He said that in the nineteen thirties, I think people
913
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:22.039
are slowly changing in their acceptance of psychic phenomenon, you know,
914
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.559
And I think they are with shows like this, and
915
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:29.360
you know, just the kind of zeitgeist of the time.
916
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.880
I think we can all say, regardless of what our
917
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.599
political views are, that we're all changing. You know, whatever
918
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.159
walk of life you're in, tell me that it's not
919
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.440
dramatically changed in the last you know, even five years.
920
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:49.599
So I think it's the time to you know, reinvestigate
921
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.000
a lot of these things that we've always just kind
922
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.960
of put off. Oh Atlantis, Oh, extraterrestrials, Oh, government retrieval programs. Oh,
923
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:03.159
you know you've been watching too many unsolved mysteries. You know. Well, no,
924
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.320
like the Pentagon says, yeah, by the way, we've lied
925
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.639
to you for ninety years. We did recover our thing
926
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in Magenta, Italy, but you know that was that was
927
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:14.599
in nineteen thirty three. So we've been lying to you
928
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.679
for ninety years. And yes we talked to the Intergalactic Federation,
929
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That's what Israeli Space Minister said. But you know, you
930
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:22.679
don't have to really worry about that.
931
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:26.159
And it's like, go back on Facebook, go back on
932
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a Stagram, like we go back on Instagram. Yeah, you know.
933
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.159
I mean, so I always tell people like, there will
934
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:38.800
never be when people ask, like, you know, you know,
935
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.199
when is the moment that you know the world, it's
936
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.800
like this one, this is the problem. I think. It's
937
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.760
like the official spokespeople from the United States government have said,
938
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we have recovered alien spaceships and been reworking them and
939
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engineering them in secret locations, just like quote unquote craze.
940
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People have known for sixty years, and like the world
941
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.719
didn't stop. People still went to you know, Little Caesars
942
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:11.559
to get their pizza. So it's like the same with
943
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when they find the Hall of Records, you know, and
944
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vindicate Edgar Casey and you know there's a whole you know,
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display of you know, artifacts made of our calculm with
946
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:27.719
the history of Atlantis, and it's you know, we're able
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to decipher it. It'll be the same thing like I'll care,
948
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.920
you know, but my neighbors will still go to Little
949
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Caesars and get the pizza. So it's like we need
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00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.559
to stop needing and seeking the approval of like this moment,
951
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.480
you know, when will yes, you will return. You know,
952
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.840
it's like, well, you don't need him to return. You
953
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.159
could just live by his precepts and be a good person.
954
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:53.880
I think he would tell you the same thing, don't
955
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.920
worry about what I'm coming back focus on what you're
956
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.480
doing right now. And so that's what I tried to do,
957
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:04.400
is just not deliver some sort of like smoking gun,
958
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:08.920
which really bothered me with a lot of other approaches
959
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.320
to this type of work, is you know, there is
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01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.639
no smoking gun with anything. There's just a preponderance of evidence.
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And you know, like in a criminal court, you weren't
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01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.400
there at the murder. I wasn't there, but you still
963
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.079
get accused of the crime if there's a preponderance of evidence.
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And so when people say was Atlantis real, well, yeah,
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there's a preponderance of evidence that something did happen. And
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if you want to know more, you know, four and
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01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:41.039
fifty pages and find out.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:54.519
and now back to the show. I wanted to ask
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you about Lumyria. What did you discover about Lameria in
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the times of it Atlanta, because that's the other doesn't
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have that as good of a pr firm as Atlantis does,
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but Lamia that does.
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How funny you say that, because I was just reading
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01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.719
a book on that subject recently and I thought it's
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01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:18.280
really funny you said that, because I said, you know,
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whoever's representing them. I swear to God, I said that
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01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.079
whoever's representing the Maria like they need to get signed
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with c AA or something. But I think you know,
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from what I've gathered, Edgar Casey does talk about MoU.
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01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.280
He does talk about Lemuria sometimes, he mentions it. Sometimes
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01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.320
he calls it Moo more often, and he does at
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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:48.159
one point describe kind of like the contours of the
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01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:52.599
Pacific as it would have existed before that fifty thousand
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BC cataclysm which destroyed Atlantis, which he would say in
986
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:02.360
a couple other channelers like Ruth Montgomery was another famous
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01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.559
clairvoyant from the seventies, and she talked a little bit
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about the destruction of Limoria, which she places concurrent with
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01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:16.760
the breakup around fifty thousand BC of the Atlantean continent.
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01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:22.840
That the weapon deployed destroyed Limoria in the process through flooding,
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01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.239
and it would have been a large land mass that
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01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:29.119
you know, would have stretched really throughout like the majority
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01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:33.719
of Australia, past New Zealand up to Hawaii, parts of
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01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.519
Easter Island. Some people think I didn't do very much
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01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.039
research because there just simply is very little and you
996
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:43.679
have to go really into the kind of the dream
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01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:49.960
time aspect of the indigenous people, the Aboriginal people, who
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01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.800
you know, they again an interesting day. They can trace
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01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:58.079
their culture back over sixty thousand years. You know. If
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01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.760
you ask an Indigenous Australian today, some of them say,
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01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:06.079
we go back at least sixty thousand BC, and they're
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01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.440
telling you that now alive in their role traditions. So again,
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01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:13.800
I think these dates as fantastical as they sound, because
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01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:19.320
we're accustomed to this narrative that history began, you know,
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01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.719
five thousand years ago, but for one hundred and ninety
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01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.760
five thousand years before that, we were just you know,
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01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:31.480
sitting around the campfire, you know, twirdling our thumbs. That's
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01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:35.840
absurd to me. And I think that's another big mental
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01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.480
block is people don't know that the human race. People
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01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.239
think that fifteen thousand years ago everybody was a cave person,
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01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:49.519
not that they were making three D beautiful art forty
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01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.960
five thousand years ago in caves in Lasco. It's like
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01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:56.199
the people they made those drawings and paintings were not
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01:03:56.320 --> 01:04:00.559
primitive people by any stretch of the imagination, you know,
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01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:04.320
and yet they made this beautiful art at a time
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01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.719
where we're led to believe, you know, they were they
1017
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:11.440
were primitive. And so again I think we just have
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01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:17.800
to get over that. The the lack of concrete evans,
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01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:24.360
particularly for Limoria, which many Channelers describe as even older
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01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:29.440
root civilization that even in Atlantis, Casey would say they
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01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.599
would look to Limoria as a even older civilization than
1022
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.559
you know, where they came from. But again I don't know,
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01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.760
Casey didn't say very much about it. You just talked
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01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.880
about the continent of MoU a lot and that it
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01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:46.920
was tied to that concurrent destruction.
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You were you were mentioning that in a month or so,
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01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.679
we're going to be having this cycle is supposed to
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01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.199
be ending. One of the units is supposed to be endings.
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01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.760
That's what Babu says, what I said, exactly, we don't
1030
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:06.400
want to Yeah, and but even if the if the
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01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.599
cycle is ending, it doesn't mean that the whole world's
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01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:09.639
gonna burn or anything like that.
1033
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.559
No, she always says that, like with anything, you know,
1034
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:17.079
we're look, it's really hard to deny these dates because
1035
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it's not just the Yuga cycle. It's like if you
1036
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.679
look at just look at the political cycle, look at
1037
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:27.960
financial market cycles, you know, they're all intrinsically tied to
1038
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:33.679
this kind of like micro macro weird type of process.
1039
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.320
And you know, if you look at, for example, his
1040
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:39.400
date where you know, let's just say the hard cutoff
1041
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.920
would be March twenty twenty five for the official quote
1042
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.039
unquote end of the Coli Yuga and the beginning of
1043
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:50.599
the three hundred year experosis transition period or I'm sorry,
1044
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.280
twelve hundred years. I think it is up until the
1045
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:56.440
next cycle. Well, if you look at this, I mean
1046
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:02.840
in the last say years, you know, how much is
1047
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.400
changing right now compared to how much has changed in
1048
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.039
the last even fifty years. I mean, it's like we
1049
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:13.760
have condensed so much change on every level into just
1050
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:17.639
the last two years that the idea that there isn't
1051
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:22.760
a massive transition that this ancient processional chart directly predicted
1052
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.519
is almost impossible. Like you're almost being disingenuous if you
1053
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:32.239
say that's not an accurate It's like the most controversial,
1054
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.480
biggest election in US history was probably the last year,
1055
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:39.119
you know, and it's like the inauguration of the most
1056
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.679
controversial president in my lifetime, and the most change in
1057
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.880
the government, whether you like it or not, is concurrent
1058
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:47.960
with the end of this cycle. And what is the
1059
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.480
cycle about. It's the call of you, It's it's the
1060
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:56.400
age of deception, deceit, corruption, ignorance, blindness, It's the Bicean
1061
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.519
age that you know, yes to what came to to
1062
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.360
enlighten people and all these other you know, great figures
1063
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.199
like Buddha and all these other people. And yet we're
1064
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:09.280
entering this kind of period where there's a clearing up,
1065
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:14.679
there's a burning off of all the false belief systems
1066
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.679
and a kind of influx I guess you would say,
1067
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:25.400
of you know, information or solutions to these very difficult
1068
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.039
problems that have been holding us back throughout these you know,
1069
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.239
thousands of years we've been stuck in this cycle.
1070
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.719
So this next cycle, this next twelve hundred years, I'm
1071
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.719
curious about what your take is on. It is a
1072
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:43.360
cycle of kind of deconstruction of the old systems, which
1073
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.199
I've heard again, I've heard this so many times from
1074
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.159
different channelers and psychics and mediums and every and also
1075
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:54.559
mystics and stuff. This is and also historians who have
1076
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.639
said the same thing. This is a time of deconstruction
1077
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.119
of old systems. And we can see it, we can
1078
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:04.000
see it all around us, all of the systems that
1079
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.559
we held up as rock solid. You and I are
1080
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.559
similar vintage, we both, we both I always use the
1081
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.320
Vatican as an example. The Vatican was the Catholic Church
1082
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:19.279
was infallible, and yet we know now it's not. The
1083
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.680
government was infallible. And then Richard Nixon showed up and
1084
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.880
everyone goes, oh, what happened, you know, and then the
1085
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:32.920
pharmaceutical industry, then the healthcare industry, the Hollywood, the Hollywood
1086
01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:39.720
in the media is being broken down. Yeah, yeah, it's
1087
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.680
it's it seems like it's it's like you just said,
1088
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.479
it's a clearing of what of what doesn't work for
1089
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.239
us anymore. And then it's all this new information, this
1090
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.760
new enlightenment, this new consciousness is coming up. Is that
1091
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.000
what is being said in these in these this what's
1092
01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.399
supposed to be happening in this next cycle.
1093
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.079
Yeah. And I also found that from you know, not
1094
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.800
just the professional cycle, but but so many of these
1095
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.279
indigenous traditions, the hope he you know, allude to it.
1096
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.119
And you know, so many of these people were writing
1097
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:15.239
thousands of years ago about this moment that we're all
1098
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.399
living through, you know. And I can't help but think
1099
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:21.319
that that's why there's been this kind of resurgence and
1100
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:25.119
interest in topics like Atlantis or the younger dry As.
1101
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.760
Whereas when I was growing up on Atlantic Boulevard by
1102
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.960
the way, going to Florida Atlantic University, swimming in the
1103
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.119
Atlantic Ocean, I didn't think anything of it. In fact,
1104
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:40.239
people think I'm making this up, Alex. But if you
1105
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:45.159
asked me ten years ago, when I was a professor,
1106
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.960
you know, at Loyola, what do I think about Atlantis,
1107
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:51.359
I wouldn't. I wouldn't happen. I would just say, well,
1108
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:54.279
that's I think Plato talked about what, you know, because
1109
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.079
I just I hadn't done the work, and you know,
1110
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.399
it's the weirdest thing, like I don't know if it
1111
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.079
was a download or some sort of whatever you want
1112
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.119
to call metaphysical experience. But I'll never forget, and I've
1113
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:08.039
really never shared this.
1114
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.439
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
1115
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:17.399
and now back to the show.
1116
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:26.399
One day, just sitting in Wicker Park like any other day,
1117
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:32.359
watching a bunch of you know, girls, sundanning, people playing volleyball,
1118
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:36.720
and just normal summer day in Chicago where I lived
1119
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:45.840
at the time, and like this bizarre interest, almost like
1120
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.239
a hypnotic suggestion started like coming into me to investigate
1121
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:54.600
the topic of it. I swear to not making this up,
1122
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.920
and I've really never shared this on a podcast. So
1123
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:02.039
but I went to the bookstore and like almost as
1124
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.039
if I was like MK Ultra hypnotically suggested, you know,
1125
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:09.840
press the trigger, you know in the kitchen, sir Han.
1126
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.880
I went there and I read every single book in
1127
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.680
my opic books on the subject in a span of
1128
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:24.520
about two months. I just kept going back, going back,
1129
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.520
going back, and then this led to hundreds of books
1130
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.079
and articles and the Edgar Casey archives that I spent
1131
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.000
eight years on this obsessive question. It used to scare
1132
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:37.560
me because I used to tell my friends that I
1133
01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:41.600
stopped all research and writing for like two years, because
1134
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.119
anytime I would look at the document, you know, Visions
1135
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.039
of Atlantis, which was many different names on my desktop,
1136
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.680
it would freak me out because I was like, what
1137
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:52.640
is this? You know, what is this three hundred page
1138
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:57.239
notebook you have of channelings and Edgar Casey notes and
1139
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.560
weird maps that you found. I didn't know what was
1140
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.079
going on, and so I almost like wrote the book
1141
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.720
as like an exorcism, Like I have to at least
1142
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:09.920
get this on paper and you know, maybe maybe five
1143
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:12.600
people on earth will buy it and like it. And
1144
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.640
in my great shock, you know, thousands of people have
1145
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.479
read this book now in the last couple of years
1146
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:24.840
and not just confirmed that, you know, they enjoyed it
1147
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.000
and they enjoyed the approach, but like brought new information
1148
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.560
from you know, like you do with all these you know,
1149
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:33.279
ancient wisdom traditions that you know. And it's like every
1150
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.399
week I get an email from somebody. Did you know
1151
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.520
that you know this happened to Frederick Oliver? Did you
1152
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.319
know that the Azores is If you want to go there,
1153
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:45.039
we can go scuba diving. And I'm like, that's the key,
1154
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.680
you know, is this is a history is a group effort,
1155
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:54.399
you know, And any time you see anybody that's talking
1156
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:59.079
down to you on any show of any credentials about
1157
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.239
this person knows this, and that person knows that, and
1158
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.760
this person's an idiot. And I know how to speak
1159
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:10.319
Kaldean and this is the authoritative version. I always say, Hey,
1160
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:12.760
what was it like there, bro, What was it like
1161
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:17.680
in Kaldia? Oh? Right, you know grew up in you know, Miami,
1162
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.319
like like we did what are you talking about? You
1163
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:24.039
know the truth? You know, we don't even know really
1164
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.000
what happened at the end of World War Two with
1165
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.000
about fifteen different routes. I could go for that one,
1166
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:33.359
you know, and that's in contemporary history with video recordings,
1167
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:38.800
millions of people involved, people still alive that were there.
1168
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:44.119
And yet you're gonna tell me you know exactly, you know,
1169
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.960
when that last capstone was put on the pyramid and
1170
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.800
what the guy was wearing when he did it. No,
1171
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.720
I would say, look, the best we can do is
1172
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:59.760
look at the totality of this question and try to
1173
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:03.000
take from as many sources as we can and really
1174
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:07.720
just change the way we think, you know about the past.
1175
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:09.279
And that was my goal with the book, was just
1176
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:15.279
to show people a different way of looking at ancient
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history that was fun, you know, because I thought that
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was a big problem with a lot of these people
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are boring as hell, and if you can't sell the idea,
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you know, like Aristotle said, you got to have ethos, pathos,
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01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.760
and logos. You you can't just have a good argument
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if you're boring or you're not funny. And so my
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01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:38.600
favorite authors always were able to captivate you, you know,
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and make every page a page turner. And so I
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01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.520
really spent a lot of time not just on the
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research but on the stylistic engagement with the readers. And
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so that was a huge, I think benefit to even
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01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.079
hook more people because they got excited, like, well, wait
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01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:02.479
a minute, what you know, there's a crystal? You know what?
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01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:04.640
What was this? This is that sounds like a death star?
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What is this thing? I want to you know, because
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I'm not going to just tell you, hey, there was
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01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.159
a crystal, and then I'm going to actually explain the
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01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.720
science of it with the NASA physicist who studied that
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01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:19.000
Edgar Casey reading and said, this is a real possible thing.
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I study astrophysics. I'm an employed PhD from NASA, and
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I'm looking at this Casey reading and he's describing a
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functioning machine. And you're going to see how things that
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might seem incredible are actually feasible. But that we have
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to have an open mind.
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So, Michael, the big question I have to ask you,
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man is where is Atlantis? Man? Where can we find it?
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Is there any remnants? Is like, is there a place
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I can go scuba dive? And see the remnants of it.
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01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:54.520
They just discovered an undersea city in India that they
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01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.000
thought that was myth and it was right off the
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01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:58.680
coast and they found it.
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01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.760
Like how that works.
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It's super funny how that works.
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And and isn't it funny works? Isn't it funny? How
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like the people that built civilization, you know that we
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01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:15.840
inherited were right about everything. That's like, I always find
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01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:22.359
that incredibly arrogant. Like you know, when Heinrich Schleeman discovered
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Troy in the nineteenth century and people were like, oh,
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01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.399
you're you're you're getting funding to go on an expedition
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to find the lost city of Troy from you know,
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01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:37.199
Greek legend. Yeah, and then he goes there and finds
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that damn doom and it says Priam, and it's like,
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huh wow, that's interesting. You mean, the people that built
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civilization and invented philosophy and you know, we're actually telling
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the truth about this place called Troy. So you know,
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to answer your question, I would say, you know, if
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you go to the third destruct, which is the most contemporary,
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which probably you know, took place around ten thousand to
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ninety six hundred PC and you go to these three
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islands post side arian aug you know, I would place them,
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and I talk about this in the book. I've always
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stuck with those three Where where the Azories are today,
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I've always said that. And you know, even the word asauris.
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Nobody has any idea where that etymology comes from. People think, oh,
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it's Portuguese, it means a hawk, but it really doesn't
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01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:37.079
have a meaning. But it's interesting because Azais, there's the
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01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.439
first time I've mentioned this on a show. Azais was
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an Atlantean king mentioned in the Tamais. And it's interesting
1235
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because there are other characters in that story who have
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place names near Gibraltar, like God this who's a character
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from that Atlantis story. And we have to pay attention
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that not everything stays the same. So Goddess later over
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thousands of years was a Phoenie. The oldest city in
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Europe is now modern day Kave's Spain. So the word
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Kaves comes from Goddess, which Plato claims was a character
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in the Atlantis story. And so when you see these things,
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you know, I look at the mid Atlantic Ridge where
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the Azoris are today as the absolute final site of
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01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:35.359
the third Remnant destruction of Atlantis. And you know, when
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01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:41.399
people say, well, what similarity does that have to the evidence,
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01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.840
I would say, well, it's directly outside the pillars of
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01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:50.000
Hercules where Plato placed Atlantis. It's also got a namesake
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01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:54.359
prominent Atlantean king. It's also and I've spoken to the
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01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:59.199
man Dio Pleciano Silva who discovered the enormous pyramid at
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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:02.000
the bottom of the island of Tercera when he was
1252
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.840
fishing on his depth finder, and I have a picture
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01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:08.800
of that depth finder reading in my book. He was
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01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:13.000
gracious enough to gram me an interview, even through a
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01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:17.680
Portuguese translator, and he says, I found an actual pyramid
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at the bottom of the ocean off the coast of
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the island of Tercera in the Azorus. And you know,
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01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:31.359
it's a volcanic island range. Atlantis was a volcanic island range.
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01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.560
It has hot and cold springs that it's famous for.
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01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.960
Plato says that region had hot and cold springs where
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01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:42.000
Plaside lived. I mean, why is it strange to think
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01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.199
that the enormous you know, as I said, go to
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01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:48.279
Michael Deflem dot com and look at the top left
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01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:52.880
image on my website, which is a famous map of
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01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:57.119
the Atlantic Ocean drained. And I think people don't know
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01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.560
this that the one of the largest mountain ranges in
1267
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.079
the world is under the Atlantic Ocean and it splits
1268
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.800
it in half. And so when people say you mean
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01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.239
to tell me there was a continent in the middle
1270
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.640
of it, it's like, well, first of all, have you
1271
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:15.399
ever seen the Atlantic Ocean drained? It's not flat on
1272
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.680
the bottom. There's an enormous mountain range called the mid
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01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:24.159
Atlantic Ridge. And I'll end on this. Don't take my
1274
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:28.279
word for it, take the words of the people from
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01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:32.960
eighteen seventy seven from the Challenger expedition from England, some
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01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.479
of most prestigious oceanographers in the world alex when they
1277
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.880
discovered the mid Atlantic Ridge in eighteen seventy seven over
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01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:41.720
two to three year voyage.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:50.880
and now back to the show.
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The first thing they did when they came back to
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01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:00.880
announce their discovery was they released an article in Scientific
1283
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:04.640
American that I've found and do you know what they
1284
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:10.439
called it? What they call it Glimpses of Atlantis. And
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01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:18.319
in the article, these prestigious oceanographers who were professors said
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01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:22.840
it now appears, in light of discovering an enormous mountain
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01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:27.279
range outside of the Pillars of Hercules, that this story
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01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.520
that soularn't heard from the Egyptians, that we heard from Flato,
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01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:36.399
this is their words, is now actually coming true. And
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01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:42.079
it's likely that as the Old America was rising the
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01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.359
Old or as the New America was rising, the Old
1292
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.880
Atlantis was sinking because they still believed in the catastrophic
1293
01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:55.279
model of climate change at that time of catastrophism. It
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01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.359
wasn't taboo to imagine catastrophism at that point. So again,
1295
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:02.600
don't take my word for it, you know, take the
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01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:05.720
word of the people who discovered the mid Atlantic Ridge
1297
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:10.399
and published in Scientific American an article saying we probably
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found what Plato was talking about.
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01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.479
So, as you said the New America was rising and
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Atlantis was falling, is there going to be a moment
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01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:21.880
in the next five hundred years to one thousand years
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01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.199
or two thousand years where that is going.
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01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:28.319
To go back up here? For that one, I won't either.
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I won't either. But the thing is, and this is
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01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:33.600
what I always I've heard from so many people, is
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01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:37.359
and you just look at history. No empire lasts forever.
1307
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:41.359
No and no no lasts forever. I mean, I always
1308
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:45.439
still nothing nothing least we know for a fact. Consider this,
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01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:53.680
if you went back to eleven thousand BC North America,
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01:22:54.439 --> 01:23:00.279
I put you in let's say, Utah. Do you know
1311
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:04.840
what you would be witnessing in Utah and Inland Sea
1312
01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:11.119
where Lake Bonneville is now in that region? Okay, by
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01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.159
the way, I see that Edgar Casey and Frederick Oliver
1314
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:17.840
both describe how could they have known that the other
1315
01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:21.079
thing is half of North America twelve thousand years ago
1316
01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:24.199
was basically covered up to like Dayton, Ohio, in a
1317
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:30.439
multi kilometer ice sheet, and there were wooly rhinoceroses running
1318
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:33.960
around the tundras where Chicago is today. I mean, I
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01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:36.920
don't think people have any idea how much has already changed.
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And you know, just think about what that could be.
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01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.680
You know, I think it's absolutely possible that, you know,
1322
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:51.079
look at the eruption and I think nineteen oh two
1323
01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.359
in Martinique where thirty thousand people were just erased by
1324
01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:59.760
a volcanic eruption on the island of Martinique. Who's to
1325
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.720
say that if there were not super volcanic reactions over
1326
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.720
multiple portions of the world, as many of these ancient
1327
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:10.039
sources suggest there were that you couldn't have entire places
1328
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.920
wiped out, you know, it's it's absolutely possible, and I
1329
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:17.199
don't think we should discount that, especially when there's a
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01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:22.199
enormous mountain range in the middle of the what Atlantic
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01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:28.159
unknown etymology uh first mentioned by Herodotus as the Atlantis
1332
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.000
Sea in like four point thirty two BC. Again not
1333
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.800
a Greek word, and a word found here in Mexico
1334
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:40.560
from the Aztec people from Alon Curious the island to
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01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:48.319
the east. Interesting, amazeuil pyramids. Interesting. Yes, So I think
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01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:52.960
it's all much more, you know, actually realistic, and I
1337
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.760
think i'll end on that. Is that quite to the contrary,
1338
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:02.840
just like it never shocked me that the government was
1339
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:07.479
re engineering extraterrestrial craft that they had recovered. I've known
1340
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.880
about this for I mean, I've known as much as
1341
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:13.760
anybody who's ever seen one in you know, the flesh
1342
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.399
as can can tell. But I've known from the evidence
1343
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:20.560
that that's obviously happening. I didn't need CNN to announce
1344
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:25.439
that it's the same with this something went down twelve
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01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.119
thousand years ago. That's undeniable. We know this. There's too
1346
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:33.199
many flood myths, there's too much geological evidence. What it
1347
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:39.319
was we may ever know. But I wanted to, as
1348
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:45.039
an intellectual exercise, exhaust every angle until I could piece
1349
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:49.880
together some version of what I think happened in the
1350
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:53.039
Atlantis story. And I think in that sense I did succeed,
1351
01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:59.039
because you know, the response I've gotten from people is wow,
1352
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:03.439
I really appreciate your open minded approach, and I appreciate
1353
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.119
not being told what to think, you know, and I
1354
01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:09.039
think they like the chapter where I go to war
1355
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:12.960
with the debunkers, which is a brutal They had it coming.
1356
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.119
You wanted this, you want So.
1357
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:20.600
I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask, oh,
1358
01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:24.359
my guests, sir, what is your definition of living a
1359
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:25.119
fulfilled life?
1360
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:29.800
I think it's doing what you enjoy as much as
1361
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:31.199
you can. I think it's that simple.
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01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:32.600
If you had a chance to go back in time
1363
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.560
and speak to little Michael, what advice would you give him?
1364
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:36.880
Well, little Michael was out of control. I'd probably slap
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01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:41.359
him in the face, but I would a don't change
1366
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:43.520
the thing, Michael, don't change a thing.
1367
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.319
How do you define God or Source, just.
1368
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:51.840
As that you know some sort of ineffable. I guess
1369
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:56.039
unity consciousness that many people have many versions of that
1370
01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.560
we'll probably never know in this reality. I think that's
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01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.600
really all I can say about that. It's the thing
1372
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:11.520
that I think many people know it. But I think
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01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:14.920
once you start to once you start to define that one,
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01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.119
it becomes I think, something very different than love once
1375
01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:22.720
a label is put on. But I think everybody knows
1376
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.920
what that is. But I won't. I won't go anywhere
1377
01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:27.720
than that.
1378
01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:32.319
If you if you could ask God or Source one question,
1379
01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:33.119
what would it be?
1380
01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:39.960
I would never I would never deign to address the source.
1381
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:46.760
I mean, I I don't. I think if that were possible,
1382
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:51.720
I think it would terrify me because I would have
1383
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:54.359
to know that that would be true. And I think
1384
01:27:55.039 --> 01:28:01.560
the idea of knowing something absolutely is is not why
1385
01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.479
we're here on earth.
1386
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.000
Beautiful answer and again and finally, what is the ultimate
1387
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:06.840
purpose of life?
1388
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:09.800
Well, it's the meaning of life. Is the meaning of life,
1389
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:17.159
It's whatever meaning you in part on this experiment or experience,
1390
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:19.439
whatever you want to call it. I think there are
1391
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:23.600
many people with many meanings of life. And like you said,
1392
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:30.239
you know earlier. That's really what defines us as a species,
1393
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:34.760
is that we are a storytelling the species of whatever
1394
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:38.199
we are. And we all have competing meanings. I don't
1395
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:42.720
think there is one meaning. I think that's quite dangerous
1396
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:43.800
way to live.
1397
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.319
And where can people find out about you and the
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01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:47.800
amazing work you're doing in the world.
1399
01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:51.720
Sir, If you're in Monterey, Mexico and you're at the
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01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:55.479
Urban Food Mark on the twenty fifth of January. I
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01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:58.039
don't know when this airs, but we'll be playing it now.
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01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:02.760
I'm joking. I will be playing a little guitar that night.
1403
01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:06.720
But they can find me a Michael offlem just my name,
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01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.000
one word, Michael if flem l e f l e
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01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:14.079
m dot com, which is my author page, and there's
1406
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:18.079
a contact form there, and I respond to everybody that
1407
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:20.760
reaches out to me. Even if you know, like some
1408
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.600
people tell me, you know, Atlantis is in Dayton, Ohio,
1409
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:27.439
and I have the map, I'll still engage and reach
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your map, believe it or not. I take the craziest calls,
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and you call this number now, Michael, and I'll tell
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you a secret that my wisdom teacher told me that Okay,
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you know it's in Atlantis Hotline where you can drop
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clues and tips. But yeah, and then I'm also I
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think it will be out probably by early March. I
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started a podcast with a great colleague of mine, an
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author from Poland, Alexander chess Kevich, who wrote a really
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cool book called Deja Vu, which I recommend if you're
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interested in my book. And we're both kind of co
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hosting a show about the search for questions around things
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like Atlantis and ancient history and kind of unknown mysteries.
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So that should be out and I'll have a link
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to that on my website probably in a couple of weeks.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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And now back to the show, And do you have
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any party messages for the audiencer?
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Just chill out. I think everybody needs to chill out
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as we go through the ex parosis. I think everybody's
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a little too on edge to be honest lately. So
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you know, whatever you gotta do, you know, you get
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get a guitar, get a piano, whatever it is. Just
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01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:00.680
I think everybody needs to relax. We'd all be a
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lot better. And uh, yeah, that's my part, my parting
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wisdom is just chill, everybody, chill now, Michael.
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It's a pleasure talking to you, man, such such a
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fun conversation. I can't wait uh for the day that
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you make it over to Austin and so we could
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do an in person interview and really even go deeper
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down a rabbit hole. Uh yeah, and this and this stuff. Man,
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01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.720
it's an endless, endless, endless rabbit hole, my friend. So
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01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.800
I appreciate you, and I appreciate you, uh, fighting the
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01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:30.600
good fight getting this stuff out there for the world
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01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:31.279
to well.
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I do it for South Florida like you, because when
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you come from South Florida, you you live by the
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nine five four. You die by that. So I stay
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with my South Floridian brother until death.
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But he one A baby A one A A one.
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It'll always till the day I die. I will never
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call you one a anything else but A one A.
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And I still have my nine five four area go.
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01:31:56.159 --> 01:32:00.840
Thank you very much on my phone. But that's a
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01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.560
different podcast, you know, different.
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We'll call it the A what A's Uh.
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01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:10.319
Thank you so much, Alex, and you know, congratulations again
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on being able to watch your show all the time.
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01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.000
And you know you always have the most fascinating guests,
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01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.720
and I think that's a really big part of this
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01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:26.199
is seeing different perspectives, you know, and choosing ones that
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01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.920
resonate with you instead of what you're told to think.
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01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:32.159
I think that's the key to this next phase that
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01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:37.600
we're entering, is empowerment and individuality as opposed to a
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01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:40.920
kind of towering conformity that we've been subjected to by
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so many of those things you talked about. So congratulations,
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01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:48.479
I think this is a great vehicle for that pursuit.
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My friend. I appreciate you to the next time.
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Absolutely.
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I like to thank Michael so much for coming on
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01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:58.520
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
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01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.000
of us. If you want to get links to anything
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01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:01.720
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
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01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.319
show notes at next levelsoul dot com forward slash five
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01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.720
seven four And if you like this content and want
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01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:49.479
for listening, and as I always say, trust a journey.
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It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.