Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka - GINNY WHITELAW - Change Agents, Resonance and Unity

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Welcome to Mission Evolution Radio Show with Gwildawaka, bringing together
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today's leading experts to uncover ever deepening spiritual truths and
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the latest scientific developments in support of the evolution of humankind.
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For more information on Mission Evolution Radio with Gildawaka, visit
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www dot Mission evolution dot org And now here's the
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host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildawiaka.
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Many of a stream of making a difference. Lord knows
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there's much in our world that needs changing, but how
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does one go about it? Mission Evolution Radio TV show
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is coming to you around the world on the excellent
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broadcast network exitban dot net. With is this hour to
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uncover the secrets behind becoming a change Agent? Is Jenny Whitelaw.
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Doctor Jenny Whitelaw is an eighty six generation Zenrai, Zen Master,
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Chose Zen Priest and founder of the Institute for Zen Leadership.
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She's the author of award winning Resonate and The Zen Leader.
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Genny is also co developer of Phoebe, a personality assessment
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that links mind, body, and behaviors. Formerly Deputy manager for
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integrating NASA's Space Station, she has a doctorate in biophysics
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and degrees in physics and philosophy her website zenleader dot global. Genny,
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thank you so much for joining us on missage evolution.
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So good to be here, Gwilda.
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Your bio says you were a deputy manager for integrating
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NASA's Space station. What all did that involve?
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Well, it involved at first going to NASA, where I
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had a dream to be an astronaut as a little kid.
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That just really burned in me, and NASA first gave
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me a lot of encouragement even as a little kid.
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I wrote a letter to them and they wrote me
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back saying, you know, you should take these kind of
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classes in college and graduate school.
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And I followed that letter to the t.
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And applied after I got out of graduate school to
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the program. And I didn't become an astronaut, but they
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said you look interesting, come on down here, we'll give
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you a job. And I ended up going up through
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the ranks of management and leadership rather than going into space.
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Well probably safer or maybe not.
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So.
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What did you work with NASA contribute to your insights
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about resilience in leadership?
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Wow? Well, first, I was very grateful to NASA for
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training me as a leader. They took me through all
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kinds of leadership programs because I was being groomed for
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senior executive service. And first what I learned in those
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was the dimensions of leadership, what leadership has.
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To do was very useful.
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But what I noticed in those that was that they
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left out the body. And by this time I had
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been training for more than a decade in martial arts
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and meditation, something I had started in college and graduate
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school where aikido had led to training in zen, and
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I knew how important the body was to leadership, and
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it wasn't being taught in conventional leadership programs. Maybe in
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the military it's brought out more something, but not in
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regular leadership programs, civilian leadership programs. And I thought, maybe
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this is my work to do. Because when you really
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work with the body, you work with the part of
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you that holds change in place, or is the source
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of agility or not. You're working with the part that
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changes more slowly than thought, and in that you're able
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to master new leadership approaches, or you also get held back.
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For making needed changes.
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So how you work with the body really matters.
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So go into that a little bit deeper. How does
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working with the body help with with being a leader.
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Well, you know, if you try to change something with
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your mind, I mean, try to grab a hold of
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the next thought you think, you know, and grab a
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hold of that thought and don't let it go and
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maybe like turn that thought around. It's very hard to
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work with thought. It's a slippery, little energetic signal and
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you're not thinking the same thought you were thinking a
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few seconds ago. Meanwhile, when you work with the physicality
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of the body, if you were just and even listening
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to this, if you just folded your arms, you'd notice
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that your body had a preference for which arm was
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on top kind of go to. But if you had
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to turn that around, if you had to reverse that
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for some reason, you surely could. You could just fold
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your arms a different way. So when you're working with
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the body, you're working with a material that holds energy
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and it becomes a vessel for how energy is conducted.
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So it may make no difference which way you fold
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your arms, but the way you carry your body and
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your leadership presence, your centeredness, the feeling that people get
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being in a room with you, the energy that you exude,
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the energy patterns you choose to use to engage different
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leadership situations. Those make an enormous difference, and those are
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all available through the body.
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It sounds like you're again you're training in akida, must
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have really contributed to this when you were training. Did
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they do everything bilaterally like you do an exercise to
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the left and you do exactly the same to the right,
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back and forth.
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Absolutely? Absolutely.
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And aikito, which literally translates as the way to harmonize energy,
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is great leadership training because it's giving you the tools
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to read energy, to join with it, and to redirect it.
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So there's a lot of lessons for leadership that come
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out of aikdo. And then working bilaterally, as you say, Gwilda,
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you also feel into your own condition, more of what
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sides more awkward, what's less awkward, where are the stuck points?
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What needs working?
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And working out those stuck points tends to be very
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fruitful for developing a kind of agility and ability to
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meet any situation at any time.
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I know, when you're talking energy, the left side of
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the body or the left hand tends to be the
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negative charge and the right tends to be the positive
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in that one gives and one receives. How does that
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work then with leadership and working with energy in a group.
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You know, the kind of energy patterns that I'm more
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familiar with rather than the giving receiving that you just mentioned,
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are how those patterns play out through the whole nervous system,
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and what they relate to are patterns that focus more
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narrowly focus in, using more the flexors side of the body,
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versus focus out and open up to possibility using more
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the extensor side of the body. And as you know,
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the body only moves through opposing muscle groups, so how
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those muscle groups get coordinated is something our nervous system
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has to figure out, and it turns out there are
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four large scale patterns for doing that, and those patterns
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shift how we give and how we receive as leaders.
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One of them tends to be very much directive and
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driver and pushing on people, so it's a very giving
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kind of energy in a directive way. And the other
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is more expansive and open and is receiving signals, receiving
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the periphery, and that tends to be much more open
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to possibilities.
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It gives people, the people that you're working with a
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place to be as well, doesn't it Instead of being
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bombarded with your intent.
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That's right.
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And when you know how to skillfully work with energy,
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even know how to work with energy that's bombarding you
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versus energy that feels stuck and still. So you learn
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how to work with all kinds of people and read
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the energies that they're presenting.
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How do you read that? Do you read it through
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your body language? Do you pick it up in your body?
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How do you read that? Yes?
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And yes and yes and yes. You have it exactly right,
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gill to You know we exude an electromagnetic field.
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We just do.
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You know, our heart is very key in creating that field.
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And that field is sense.
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It can be sensed in the vicinity of a person.
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We don't have a name for that sense, but you
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can feel it kind of in the vibe of a relationship.
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You can kind of feel when there's resonance, or we
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sometimes say when you're on the same wavelength with someone.
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And what we know physiologically is that when we are
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on the same wavelength, we make maps of one another.
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We are actually kind of representing each other in our
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own own brain bodies, and that helps us know how
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to follow each other. So there's been a lot of
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studies that look at this that when people deeply understand
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each other, they and can complete each other's sentences and whatnot,
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that there's there's an actual mapping in in the cortex
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of one brain into another. So between the senses we name,
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like visually reading body language and the senses we don't name,
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like sensing a field or making an internal map, we
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can read the energy on other people and in a
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sense replicated in ourselves. We that empathy is going bone
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deep in us.
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That leads to a much deeper sense of connection and understanding,
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doesn't it It?
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Sure does it, Sure does.
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Wow. Wow, This is a skill that you don't hear
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very many people talking about in leadership classes or in anything,
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and it sounds like it's kind of a missing link.
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How important would you say it is versus the other
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things that we work with.
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You know, it's key in what we'd call emotional intelligence.
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In emotional intelligence, which has been all the rage for
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the last several decades in terms of leadership development, because
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they realize you can't make difficult things happen in an
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organization without emotional intelligence that is self awareness, self regulation, empathy,
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and social skills. Some of these things used to be
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called soft skills, but leaders have realized they're pretty hard
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to practice because, as you say, they aren't, they aren't
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things we trained in in school. You know, maybe we
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trained in some social skills and getting along with others
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and whatnot, but we generally built up our rational learning skills,
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our critical thinking skills in school and may have largely
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separated the head from the body. And how we did that,
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what emotional intelligence calls us to do is reconnect head
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and heart to feel other people, not just think about them.
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And in that feeling there is more unity, there's more
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one withness, there's more a sense of I feel your pain.
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I don't just observe you from a distance and say
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poor you. And in that connection we build trust, we
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build a feeling like I've got you, You've got my back,
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we get each other. That feeling is irreplaceable in leadership
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because people are always trying to figure out with a leader,
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do I want to follow you? And if a leader
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exudes a certain kind of self awareness, an ability to
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regulate themselves, an ability to let people feel heard and felt,
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then yes I want to follow that kind of leader.
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I mean, obviously, we look for competence in the areas
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of leadership too, but in terms of the humanity and
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the feeling we get from a person. Do I want
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to go into a difficult situation with you? What I
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follow you? Where I wouldn't go by myself. The qualities
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of emotional intelligence matter enormously.
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And if if you're connected in that way, when you're
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having to think on your feet, like in a combat situation,
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I would think you would be much more effective.
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Well, indeed, when you can, when you can relax and
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connect with the team, for example, that you're a part of.
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And Navy seals talk about this all the time, of
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making the switch right or into a kind of collective
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flow state where they don't even need verbal communication to
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kind of think on the same wavelength. They just get
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what's going on because they've all been so trained for
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the mission and in sync with each other. That kind
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of a flow state allows people to function without the
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thinking of a separate eye getting in the way.
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That separate eye is a big problem, isn't it.
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Well, it makes us think we're separate, and that's a delusion.
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But it's a really bright delusion in our psyche, and
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it's so bright that it blinds us to our larger nature.
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It's like we don't see the stars when the sun
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is out, but when the sun sets, we see something
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much bigger and broader and universal. And the same is
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true in the human being. When the ego is blaring
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at us its eye centered needs, we don't see our
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original nature. But when that we see through that we
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can feel into how truly connected and boundless we are.
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Well, it's time for us to take a station break,
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Ginny and I will return very shortly. Don't go away,
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it says Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. What is
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a zen leader as opposed to a not so zen leader?
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With us? Is our discussing making a difference? Is Genny Whitelaw.
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Doctor Jenny Whitelaw is the author of Resonate Zen and
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the Way of making a Difference as a Zin Master.
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How do you define zen leadership?
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Well, it goes to what we were talking about just
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before the break.
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Who's leading?
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Is it a separate or thinks its separate eye? Or
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are we connected to our whole nature? And one of
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the favorite definitions that I've heard of leadership just regular
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any leadership that came from Kevin Cashman was authentic self
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expression that creates value. So if you feel into that,
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you can feel into the truth that it's not about
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a position in a hierarchy. It's about living into your purpose,
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expressing your nature into the world and service of others.
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What zen.
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Brings to that or takes away from that is the
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separate self. So we would say it's expression of the
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authentic self in service of others, and that authenticity or
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that bigness takes away fear, because the part of us
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that gets afraid is the part that's trying to protect
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this life, this body, this self, this reputation, this whatever, right,
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And when we don't focus there, we start to use
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this instrument in service of all that it can do.
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When a person first thinks they want to be a leader,
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there's various reasons that might be. And my observation is
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that a lot of people that think they want to
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be a leader are coming from a place of ego
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because it will make them feel important or make them
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appear important. This seems diametrically opposed to what you're talking about.
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Right, Well, that's right. It's not unusual for people to
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be drawn to leadership because they want to achieve or
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they want power or things like that, and yet those
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needs often I mean, can drive leaders to do very
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self centered things. Right, So it's not that I won't
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say that's wrong. I'll just say it's not our greatest truth.
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There's a greater truth that is how we can use
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this vessel to serve others rather than using all of
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life to serve ourself.
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Now, right now, it seems like the way everything's wired,
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it's the latter. How do we turn that around? I mean,
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even those of us that you know have a low
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self esteem and want to be a leader to build
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ourselves up, how can we turn it around where we
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are serving others, making space for others to serve as well,
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versus building our ego.
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Yeah, you know, I go back to the body, because
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trying to turn it around by just giving myself some
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positive affirmation like you're good enough, go out and do it,
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or you're okay.
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You don't have to prove yourself, you know.
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I those little kind of calendar sayings, they don't hold
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up under pressure.
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But if you go.
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Into the body and you start to cultivate genuine centeredness,
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and in my tradition of Zen, we focus a great
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deal on breathing into the center. Of the Japanese called
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hout haara lower abdomen lower chakras. If you know the
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chakrak system, but it's it's the center of gravity in
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the body. But that lower abdomen is the deepest, slowest,
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most grounded breath. When those muscles start regulating the lungs
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from underneath, we settle down, we calm down, and when
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we start to connect at that level, it's like that
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whole vagel system is going to send signals to the
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brain sort of like you got this, you got settled down,
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you got this. There's a kind of genuine courage and
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cutting through discursive thought that happens from horror centered breathing.
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So we train leaders in that all the time. That's
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one of the foundational practices that we use to help
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leaders find that place in themselves that they can trust
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and in that they can start they can Once you
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can start to feel into that inherent connectedness, there's the
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sense of needing to prove. Starts to evaporate, or it
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becomes more transparent. I won't say it goes away altogether,
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because a lot of these urges or needs come deep
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from our childhood, or they may even be intergenerational trauma
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or reinforced through a lifetime of habit.
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So it's not like.
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They instantly disappear, but they don't grip us the same way,
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and they become increasingly transparent so that we can connect
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to what's true and say, oh, yeah, there's my old
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habit of needing to prove myself again, but I don't
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have to act on it. That's where that self regulation
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comes in.
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So are you talking about diaphormatic breathing.
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It's even deeper than diaphormatic. The diaphragm is certainly involved
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in it. But the diaphragm, as you may know, is
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a huge membrane at the solar plexus level that goes
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all the way around underneath the ribcage, lining the ribcage.
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There's a relationship between the diaphragm and actually the pelvic
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floor with how those two can work together to control
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breath from the lower abdomen. And we teach and train
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in that method in a way that helps people experience
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a deep centeredness, and then it allows breath to slow down.
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When what slows down, even the rate at which thought
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develops can slow down. We become much more stable.
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When our thoughts slow down. We can become much more stable.
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Doesn't that give us room in time to weigh our
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options and our and our decisions.
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There is a phrase that I like from mountain climbers
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and navy seals that's as slow as smooth, smooth as fast.
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So when we are smooth, we're able to meet each
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moment and each person one with as opposed to up up, up,
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kind of bouncing off of it as we vibrate around phrenetically.
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You speak of resonance. Is there some exercise or something
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that one can do to resonate with another and maybe
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the other isn't a good place to resonate full time?
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Can you use that resonance pull them back into the center?
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You know?
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Interesting, breath is one of the real tools that we
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use to help, you know, get on the same wavelength
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as someone. But just even following the breath and helping
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people settle down. I find in my coaching with people,
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come in all excited, all kind of spun off, I'll
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just help, you know, sort of breathe slowly with them
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without even saying I'm breathing slowly with you, but to
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help them just ground and as they start to settle down,
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then we can have a deeper conversation. So matching breath
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can be a good you know, to resonate is to
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vibrate with to just give a definition of what resonance is,
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and it is the principle of all change. So if
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you're trying to bring about a change in a relationship,
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finding that I'll say frequency, where you can connect, where
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you can meet, where you can join, is really useful.
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And one of the ways to do it is to
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kind of sense where the person's breathing, kind of meet
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them there and maybe ground a little bit join with them.
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on the same wavelength with someone on the same vibration.
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Once you get on the same vibration, say, for instance,
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you're in a situation where it's you know, everybody's panicking,
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there's fire around or whatever, and it's up to you
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to kind of lead them out into safety. Once you
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resonate with them, how do you keep from being pulled
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into the trauma versus drawing them into the groundedness.
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That's where it requires the inner work, the inner work,
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which is how to not be triggered myself.
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We're able to just ground the energy like a say,
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like a lightning rod takes energy from lightning right to
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the ground without it getting stuck in between, when our
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whole body can work that way, then we can be
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in a mess without being messed up. We can take
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that energy and just grind without it triggering us. But
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if we have a lot of triggers in it, like
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I'm also that too, you know, if it triggers us,
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Join the mess.
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to work through their own triggers to be so that
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their own fears and triggers and difficulties become more transparent,
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less grippy, easier to pass through. So when they are
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in difficult energetic situations, it can pass through.
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So you're literally using your body to ground the other
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person as well as yourself. That's right, Well, I like that.
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It seems so much less invasive in a way. It's internal,
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it's not imposing something on someone else.
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Oh no, And when we're around somebody who's really centered
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and stable, or they have a really clear kind of
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field sense, you know, we might call it strong executive
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presence or calm executive presence. We feel better. We feel better,
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so far from being imposing ourselves on someone, it's creating
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a field that attracts other people that other people would
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actually choose to be in.
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There's a concept called common neutral heart space that I
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teach how to do, and this sounds very similar in
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that you're putting this open heart space out between the
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two of you rather than imposing it. Is it similar
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to that at all?
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Well, you know you're the expert in that and I
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am not, so you are going to have to tell
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me how similar it is.
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What is?
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You know? So many wisdom traditions really overlap on this.
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What we notice in what the research from Heart Math Institute,
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for example, has shown, is that when we can have
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a kind of coherence or resonance between heart and brain,
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which happens at about a tenth of a hurtz about
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one every ten seconds, a certain frequency where the waves
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sort of add up rather than interfere with each other,
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we create a field that is much more inviting. And
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bet that relates to the kind of common neutral heart
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space that you talk about.
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Do you have a way of getting in resonance with yourself?
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As I'm listening to you, there's a lot of different
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pieces parts going on here, don't We have to kind
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of find our own resonance before we start interfacing with others.
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That coherence or getting our own being coherent in ourselves
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is always a good starting point. And in my own experience,
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that's a coherence among head to heart and hata, as
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I mentioned earlier, bringing these three centers together. So when
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we breathe deeply and slowly, like two to three times
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a minute, which by the way, is quite a bit
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slower than the average Most people breathe about eleven to
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fifteen times a minute, and that's not when they're exercising.
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That's what's when they're huffing and puffing through daily life.
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So to slow that down is taking people out of
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a very high frequency state into something two to three
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times a minute twenty second breath allows the hotah, the heart,
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the head to all sort of add up into one
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coherent signal. Much easier to handle stressful situations when you're
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starting from that kind of place. And I'm a person
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who grew up with asthma, who could not breathe when
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she was a kid, and who knew a thing or
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two about anxiety, So I can tell you it's a
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much happier way to live.
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When we're it sounds like we're dealing with this is
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a key to being able to manage time in a
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certain way, isn't it. Well?
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You know, time is an interesting dimension in this because
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how we think about time it relates to our psychology too.
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Time is in one sense, it's always the same time, Gwilda,
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it's always now, It's always now. But how we think
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about the clock and managing it comes out of our
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personality and it comes out of again, those energy patterns
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I was talking about. Some people fight against the time
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that time is to beat the clock, get as much
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done in unit time as I can. I was racing
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against time. Other people are judiciously managing time. This goes here,
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that goes there. They're organizing their day according to time.
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Other people are just being right, you know, they're just
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being in time and time flows right. So we vary
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with respect to our relationship with time, and that relationship
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changes how we approach leadership and changes how we direct
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others when we are a leader.
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Is it very important then to ascertain what your relationship
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to time is when.
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You Yeah, Because initially we think our relationship is we're
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so blurblind to it. We think it's the only relationship possible.
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So yes, very good to know. There are several different
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possibilities and which is my go to? What do I
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tend to do? And speaking personally, I was a time
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manager for you know, many years project management, you know,
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project manager at NASA. You've got to know how to
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manage some things. It's going to manage some details on time.
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So that was a go to for me and it's
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really been relaxing for me to see bigger on different
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ways to play with time and how as I slow
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down there's a sense of doing only what's needed to
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be done rather than doing everything on my to do list.
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Speaking about time, it's time for a break. There you go,
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We'll be right back. So you see right there, this
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is mission evolution, Mission evolution dot org. Do you have
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to be fearless to make change? This is mission evolution,
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Mission evolution dot org. With this discussing fearlessness is and
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leadership is doctor Jenny whitelaw her website zen Leader dot Global. Jenny,
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let's talk about fear. I mean, I don't think anybody's
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confronted being a leader or making a change without having
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to confront fear somewhat. What are your thoughts on fear
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and how to confront it and how.
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To confront it? Bring it close.
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That's when I say bring it close, meaning the things
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that we fear relate to needs that we're afraid aren't
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going to be met, you know, and we all have
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human needs. So how we work with fear is often unconscious.
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You know.
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It's like I may do something as a leader, like
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achieve or push on something, or demand a goal or
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go here, not realizing that my fear of failure is
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what's making me push so hard on other people.
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Why am I afraid of failure?
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Well, if I if I fail, I might not be
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good enough, I might be worthless, I might get fired,
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I might get I might be out of a job.
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All that runs often very unconsciously. But when we look
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at in the face, look at in the eye, draw
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it close, it's like it fear loses its leverage over us.
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As there are only a few basic human fears. I
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call them the roots of the tree. When you really
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trace down what causes conflict in human relationships, what trace
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conflict in our life, the things that make us unhappy
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when you trace it down.
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To the roots.
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They're related to things like not good enough, not safe enough,
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not smart enough, not this enough, not not rich enough,
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not something enough, and that not enoughness is worth looking at,
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It's worth looking at deeply. So part of what we
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train with in zen leader programs is how to help
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people look at their fears. You said confront them.
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I want to say, penetrate them. Actually penetrate the.
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Fear so that they can see how it's operating in them.
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Some fears grow out of needs that in the psychological
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terms would be called proxy needs From the work of
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genof he identified that oftentimes has little kids. Before we're
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logical or anything. We may substitute one need for another,
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like I'm hungry, but no one's feeding me, so I'll
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just make a scene instead, And we substitute the need
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for some kind of physical attention for just getting any
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kind of attention. As an example, needs that are proxy
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needs have no natural fill line. You know, if we're
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healthy and normal, we have a fill line to our needs.
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We know what enough is.
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But if we have somehow made us substitution, we may
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not know what enough is. It may be never enough.
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And maybe we all know leaders I know some leaders
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who say there's never enough money, never enough wealth, never
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enough power, never enough Right, that's a proxy need, that's
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a need of an unfillable hole. And if a leader
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can't look at that, they're always going to be ruled
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by it. But when a leader looks at it closely
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and deeply, they can start again to see through it
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and see the roots of it in their own life
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and their own psyche. And it's not that it goes
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away entirely. It's that it doesn't grip them or trip
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them up the same way, so they become less fearful, fearless.
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Well, you had to be pretty fearless to bring this
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spiritual stuff into a scientific world that you work in.
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How do you see science and spirituality fitting together in
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all of this?
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Oh, like hand in glove. Really, you know, I loved
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science in that I think as a little kid, maybe
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like you, maybe like so many people drawn to mission evolution,
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I wanted to figure stuff out right. I wanted to
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know what's going on, and science was one of the
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ways to get it answers right, along with a lot
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of the spiritual religious wisdom traditions. Those were the kind
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of the routes we had. What I really appreciate about
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science is that it allowed us to build wisdom from
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one generation to the next because it was object dive.
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You could come up with a set of facts, you
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could publish them in a paper, I could read them.
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I could add to those facts and publish for the
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next generation, and on and on. We could go from
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Aristotle to the present. And science has taught us so much.
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But it's that objectivity that gets in the way of
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deep spiritual truths, because even physics, even quantum physics, for
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the last hundred years, has known that objectivity is actually
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a myth, that the very process of viewing something is
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an action. It's not passive. The process of perception is
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itself injecting energetic consciousness into a system that changes the system.
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And so objectivity is an approximation, it is not a truth.
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And spirituality goes where science can't go in being able
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to see through the dualism on which science is based.
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Zen is going to work through all duals to see
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the intrinsic unity of what is going on. Unity that
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last that last word in our title, that that it
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opens up that unity consciousness so that we start to
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sense how we are a part of this whole picture,
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not apart from it, which are the way it contributes
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to fearlessness. You know, when you feel a part of
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the whole picture.
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Are are you talking about the observer effect? Then basically
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it's the observer effect.
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It is the observer effect, and we've seen it. It
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was recognized in social science some time ago as well
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that the very process of studying a human system by
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a human could change the system. But even in completely
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inanimate you know, in a high in a particle accelerator,
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you know, and when you when you look, you change
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the system. And one of the ways this is described
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is called collapsing the wave function, that a wave of
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probability becomes a particle here or there upon observation. So
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as Sean Carroll, the physicist described quantum physics in five words,
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he was challenged to do this for some reason. He said,
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don't look wave, look particle. So that is an observer effect.
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Interesting, So that kind of makes a lot of scientific
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steady defunct, doesn't it.
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Well, it's good to know the limits, the limits of
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your instrument. It puts a lot of science in context,
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I would say, And in what when you read a
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lot about quantum physics and quantum physicists, it was quite
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disorienting to them to realize this observer effect. I mean,
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I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here with a quote on
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my desk from someone who says, the true human value
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of a human being can be found in the degree
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to which he has attained liberation from the self. That's
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Albert Einstein saying that, Albert Einstein. So the marriage between
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some of these scientists who started sensing the interconnectedness of
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things and the illusion of self, and the spiritual traditions
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that have been pointing towards that are not far apart.
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So how does the using the zen, the spiritual, which
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is unity versus taking things apart and observing them. How
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does that fill in for science? You know where science's
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let's go. How do those work together?
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Well, science is going to reveal things like laws of
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nature or what in a spiritual tradition like Taoism might
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be called the inner pattern. It's going to reveal the
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way things unferral in a certain way, a certain order
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out of chaos. Science is going to be very good
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at discriminating and discerning those kinds of things. But when
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it comes to experiencing the true nature of the human
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being or the connectedness to all of life. A deep
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meditative practice is going to go further than science. In
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my own experience, my own meditative practice took me further
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than my science did in sensing, seeing, experiencing the self
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beyond the ego, kind of the whole, boundless picture. And
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as Rumy says, you are not a drop in the ocean,
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you are the whole ocean, and a drop that experience
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changes people. And that experience is available through meditation in
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a way that for me was not available in science.
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Science is going to take apart the drop.
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So how do we put all this together to become
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a change agent.
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Well, it's that it goes together quite well, because what
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we begin to realize, let's just put together what you
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and I've just been talking about. That observation is itself
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an event. So the way we look at it in Buddhism,
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in a wisdom tradition like Buddhism or zen is that
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mind is universal and that we're in a sense antennas
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for mind. We're antennas for tapping into it.
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When we are.
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Attuned to the field, we tap into that wisdom much
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more readily, and what people like Einstein, for example, would
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say is they would get their greatest ideas as a
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kind of flash of inspiration, but then had to engage
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the hard work of mathematics and rigorous proof in order
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to show the inspiration. So there is a kind of
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interface between the flash of inspiration and the hard work
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to prove it. I think a similar thing goes on
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in change agents. That first we get an idea boom,
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we think it's idea, but it's not an you could
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you can flip that around and say it's an idea
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that hit me. I resonated with it, and now it's
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going to ask for some change in me in order
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to be manifest in the world. As I tell leaders,
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when you have a vision and you want to bring
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something from the future into the present, when when you
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continually evolve yourself to match the you of that vision.
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When that when you match that exactly, that vision is
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now because now is where you exist. You know, check
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it out, You're here now. So you look at if
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you have an idea of a change you want to
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be a change you want to see is what how
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do I have to change? How do I let this
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vision change me?
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Well?
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I've got to add new people to my network. I
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have to organize my time differently. I have to develop
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more people. I need to add some people to my team.
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Blah blah blah. When I do those things, when I
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completely match that vision, I've brought it into now. So
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that's part of how change comes through us as vessels
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resonating with the field for the inspiration and then according
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the field according you know, one relationship at a time,
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one day at a time, of how we bring others
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along by resonating with them. So resonance, which is to
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vibrate with is that principle both and how we get
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the idea, how we enact the idea, and how we
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bring others along.
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Well, then that's backwards of how most of us do it.
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We get an idea and we try to impose it
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on the world versus that's coming is that's right. So
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if you understand resonance, then you realize that you have
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to be what You have to have that resonance before
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you can manifest it in your world.
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Right, that's right.
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And if you don't have, if you don't resonate with
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your idea, no one else is going to or someone
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else is going to run with it and take it.
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But the first person who has to light up with
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it is you. And if you get an idea and
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start working it and you're just finding, boy, this feels
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like work, this feels heavy, that's a pretty good sign
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that this isn't yours to do. But if you're working
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along and somehow there's a kind of effortless effort in it,
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it's like building energy and you float the idea to
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a friend and they go, that's a great idea, Can
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I help you with it?
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Or whatever?
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You start to build energy, that's a pretty good sign
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that there's something that wants to happen here. If we
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listen for those energetic signals, we'll know whether the ideas
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we have are ready to happen or not. These ideas
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are a dime a dozen, but ideas that can be
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manifested through a leader are special. They have to match
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that leader and they have to be ready and ripen
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the time.
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That certainly says a lot for some of our greatest leaders,
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doesn't it. We're going to have to take another commercial
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break here, But on the other side, we'll get deeper
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into how to be a change agent. Please stay with us.
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Is Ginny and I continue to explore becoming change ages.
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This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. Stay with us,
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We'll be back. What are your energy patterns doing to
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your life? This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org.
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We're continuing our discussion with doctor Jenny whitelaw her website,
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zen Leader dot Global. Ginny, what is our frequency, our
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resonance energy patterns doing to our lives that we're unaware of?
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Well, you know, it goes back to what we talked
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about in one of the earlier segments, guilda about these
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energy patterns that run through our nervous system and regulate
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how we pick up signals, you know, how we are
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going to resonate with the people and the ideas and
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the situations around us. So at the extremes are the
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highly attenuated driver pattern. If you just put your hands
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together and you say press and press and press, you
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could almost feel your peripheral vision shrinking down into it
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like a laser point. That kind of determination is wonderful
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for hitting a target, reaching a goal, hitting a number,
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but it's not going to give us the big picture.
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In fact, it's easily blindsided. So as a change agent,
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it's very good if we know exactly what we need
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to do to bring in this kind of determination. On
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the other hand, being able to vibrate in a very
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open way listen broadly. You know this kind of peripheral
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vision that you'd get if you were to look one
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hundred and eighty degrees and see left and right without
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turning your head left or right, just see the whole
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dome around you. And kind of this expansive extensor side
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opening to possibility. That kind of energy is going to
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sense the field, it's going to hear quieter signals ideas
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ready to happen. It's very creative, imaginary, inspiration oriented pattern.
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And as those ideas emerge from again, it's going to
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come back to the body to how to let that
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energy descend in a way that the organizer pattern can
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give it form, can kind of create some shape to
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it of how we'd write a proposal for this, or
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bring it to my boss, or create a team around it.
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And then the collaborator energy, which is a kind of
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engaging swing pattern, a pattern of to and fro back
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and forth and easily engages people in conversation. These patterns
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come into play with our kind of inner team of
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energy patterns to go from idea to form, to engagement
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to determination. This descent of energy through the physical body
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through these patterns helps us take an idea from the ether,
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as you were, an idea that got me into something
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that matters, turning energy into matter.
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When you're talking about the broad scope, you know, three sixty,
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it occurs to me that the are very way we're
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living right now is giometrically opposed to that. We spend
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all of our time focused forward, not knowing what's going
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on around us, and this has gotten worse over the
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last couple of generations with all the electronics. Do you
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see that impacting And how do we need to be
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able to do both? Obviously we need to be able
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to do both. How do you do that?
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Yeah, you know, there's so many habits and patterns in
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our culture, as you've said, that are training our attention
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certain ways and being aware of that so that we
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can counteract that with some other time. And for example,
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getting out in nature is a great antidote to being
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in front of a screen. Right when you get out
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into the bigness of nature and the expanse of a
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landscape or the feeling of the big sky, there's something
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that opens up in us. So that ton of time
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and nature very useful. It's also again I'm going to
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come back to, meditation can be so helpful to counteract
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the shortening of attention spans that tends to happen when
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we get addicted to the fast pace and close inness
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of the screen. You know that all the high frequency
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excitement and agitation. You know, I have a couple of
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young nieces and nephews, grand nieces and grand nephews, i
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should say, who you know, have a house full of toys,
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but the most exciting toy to them is the cell phone.
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You know, they love what's going on on the phone right.
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And you can just see how even at months old,
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a year old, how the brain is getting trained for
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that kind of excitement and you.
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Know, level of stimulation.
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So being intentional about creating time in our day, in
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our body to slow down, to stop so that we
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can be clear. It's like taking the agitation out of
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the water so it can reflect things clearly. So helpful,
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so useful, and.
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So easily forgotten in our day and age. I'm afraid.
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So you say we have a choice in how we
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resonate what do you mean by that?
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Well, we're all resonating all the time. It's not you know,
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there's no option about do I put out vibrations?
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Am I feeding the field? Or shouldn't I feed the field?
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We're doing it, you know, we're all getting a feeling
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from each other. What to be a living system is
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to ingest energy and evolve our order. That's what life does,
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That's what we do. So we are always feeding the field.
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The question is what are we feeding it?
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And when we.
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Want to sincerely add value, we're going to go all
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the way back to that definition of leadership. We become
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more intentional about feeding it something worthwhile. When we want
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to bring other people along, we become more intentional about
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meeting them where they are and feeding into energy that
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will help them move with us and help them move
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toward an important goal. So when we can, as opposed
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to if we're just kind of quote all over the place,
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we create a kind of jaggedness to the field, a
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jaggedness to the situation that makes other people feel jagged,
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and it kind of propagates a nervous, anxious energy that
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would not be our definition of leadership, right, That is
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not authentic self expression that creates value, so to be,
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if we really want to lead people toward a better place,
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lift people up, not crash people down, it calls on
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us to master enough of this instrument that we're ab
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to regulate ourselves in the world and resonate the signals
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that help lift people up, settle them down, and bring
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out the best in them.
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So excuse me, is that time in the show when
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I get to ask you, what's your mission?
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Oh? To bring as many leaders to awakening and help
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them change this world, both in this generation and generations
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to come. It's so clear to me that we're facing
825
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a time of enormous collapse and unpredictability, and we need
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leaders who can lift people up, who can pull people
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through a storm and get them to the other side.
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And I'm deeply committed to developing as many of those
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leaders as possible.
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As a beautiful commitment. And how are Zen leaderships and
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residents essential to the mission of evolving consciousness?
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Well, you know, I think in my own experience, it's
833
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been essential for me to be able to see through
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the self, that ego self, to the broader, boundless sense
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of who I am. It helps me relax as I
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kind of look at the mess of the day and
837
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.000
see it more in a kind of you know, creative
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destruction or destructive creativeness, who knows what's going to be,
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but a kind of like it's all in the great
840
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cosmic dance, and you and I go are dancing with it.
841
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And when we can relax into that bigness and give
842
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.079
it our best, there's this sense of knowing there's nowhere
843
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.840
to be lost to That feeling can fill us with
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a kind of resilience and calm that.
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Helps us be of some use in this world.
846
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It seems like, again as we've been talking this hour,
847
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that the key to all of this is inside, the
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inner work to remove who we are not so we
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can resonate with who we are. So how does a
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person begin that work?
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Start with a long, slow exhale right now, and get
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curious about what's in the way, and how it could
853
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be even slower, even longer, even more centered. And if
854
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.599
you get really curious about that, you'll start working the body.
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And as you start working the body, you'll see inside
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and outside are no different. The more you work this,
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the more you work on this.
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How important is being present versus worried about the future,
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or regretting or the past. How important is that in
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this whole operation.
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Well, it's as I and you feel as well, it's
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really at the heart of it. Because to worry about
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the future or the past, our thoughts in our head,
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thoughts from an eye conditioned by its history of the
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catastrophizing or being too optimistic, whatever it does, right, it's
866
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thoughts of an eye. To be in the moment is
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the place where we can mix our energy with the
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energy of the moment and change can happen. Everything else
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is just the conditioning of an eye.
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How do we know if we are designed to be leaders?
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You know?
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But if they say to me, chiefs are not enough Indians,
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00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.559
how do we know if we're one of the ones
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00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.960
that really can make a difference, that can be a
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00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:46.840
change agent.
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In my view, we're all here to do something that
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authentic self expression that creates value is not just meaning
878
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a certain hierarchical position. So just feeling into what is
879
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:04.679
it I'm here to do?
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What lights me up?
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What is mine to give? What is it that I
882
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.679
can't not do? There's a lot of ways to ask
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00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.039
the question, but it's a question that each person can
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answer true to themselves and in that answer add value
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for others. So I don't say just some people are leaders.
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00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:27.800
Now there are some people who have the gift of
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an enormous amount of charisma and bigness and you know,
888
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a hunger for power or whatever that puts them in
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00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.840
certain positions more than others. So I don't deny that either.
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00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.960
We all have our conditioning, our situation, our genetics are
891
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:48.400
upbringing our karma right, and everyone can be a leader
892
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:52.960
when it comes to authentic self expression. That creates value.
893
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When we talk about the whole and we talk about
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the individual, everybody's different obviously, Are we each different pieces
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00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.920
to a puzzle? And is the whole incomplete if one
896
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of us doesn't stand up and bring what we have
897
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what we are?
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Yeah, When we think of a puzzle like a jigsaw puzzle,
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so we think about you know, pieces and pieces missing.
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And things like that.
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If we were to start with that kind of image
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and then blur all the edges and then put the
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whole puzzle into every piece and the piece into the
904
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.880
whole puzzle, we start to get at the deeper truth
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of this incredible net that we are participating in, where
906
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.760
we are both a differentiated self and the whole picture.
907
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:43.880
That's such an amazing paradox. But that is the truth
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of being human.
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And that's the truth. I don't ask you to believe me.
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I say feel it yourself, experience it yourself, and you'll
911
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.159
need no convincing that you are both part and.
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Whole, both part and whole. I like that a lot. Well. Unfortunately,
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I have so enjoyed our time together. We could go
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on and on, but we are at the end. So Genny,
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thank you so much for coming on the show and
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bringing your vast well of knowledge.
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Thank you, gilled joy to talk with you.
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It was a real joy. Our guest is Our has
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been doctor Jenny Whitelaw. Ginny is the author of numerous books,
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including Resonate Zen and The Way of Making a Difference.
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To find out more about Ginny, where you can find
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her books and all she has to offer, visit her
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website Leader Excuse Me Zenleader dot Global. This has been
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Mission Evolution with gild of Weyeka. For more information or
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