Celebrating Superman with Josie Campbell

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Welcome to the net party. Hello, and welcome to another
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special episode of our celebrating Superman series here on Missing Frames.
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I'm your host, Sean Eastridge. Now normally on Missing Frames
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we watch all of the movies we should have seen
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by this point in our lives. But to celebrate the
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release of James Gunn's Superman, which is coming out on
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July eleventh, I'm inviting all the incredible Superman writers, artists, filmmakers, fans.
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They are coming to hang out to celebrate Superman with me.
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And there's a lot to celebrate. I mean, besides the
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movie coming out, we have Superman Day Friday, April eighteenth.
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We are probably getting a new trailer, so we've got that.
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I've got some surprises in store for Superman. Dam I'm
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very very excited of who I'll be talking to in
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that episode, So stay tuned for that. And by the way,
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if you like what you're hearing, feel free to share
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it with whoever wants to partake in the Superman love
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and affection and celebrations. Please don't deny them that, just
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send it out there to anyone you can think of.
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And also, if you would like, you can rate this
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podcast on Apple podcasts. I think on Spotify as well.
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Does Spotify do that now? I think they do that now,
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So you know, whatever, float your boat. But that would
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all be greatly appreciated. All right, let's get to this episode.
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So I got to hang out with Josie Campbell. She
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is the co showrunner and head writer of the absolutely
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incredible animated series My Adventures with Superman. So we've got
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a couple seasons of the show. It started airing I
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want to say twenty twenty three ish, and I tried
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to watch it at first, and for whatever reason, it
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didn't click with me. But then I came back to
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it a little while later and just binged it. I
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absolutely loved it. So if you haven't seen it yet,
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it's all on Max, definitely check it out. So I
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was really really excited to talk with Josie. We started
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about how she got started as a writer, how her
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career kind of led her to doing animation and then
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eventually doing Superman. We talk about some of her favorite
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Superman memories, how she grew up reading comics and that
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that was her introduction. She's a big fan of the
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animated series The Paul Deani Bruce Tim Show, so we
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talk a bit about that, and then we talk about
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what she wanted to bring to Superman along with her
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to co showrunners and how they kind of wanted to
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do something a little bit more like a romantic comedy
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but with lots of awesome action as well. We also
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talk about what makes Superman such a special character and
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why his heart is his greatest superpower. And yes, I
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did try to get some information about season three. Did
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I succeed? You'll just have to listen and find out. Anyway,
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this was awesome. I loved hanging out with Josie. I'm
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seriously such a huge fan of this show. It's one
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of my favorite things. And she is just awesome, like
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she's a delightful human being. So I hope you enjoy
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listening to our conversation. Let's go ahead and celebrate Superman
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with Josie Campbell now available to own non video cassette. Josie, So,
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the audience at home cannot see us right now. Sadly
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they can hear us and all our glory, But what
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they cannot see is I'm indicating you know, this is
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a giant bookshelf behind me. Sometimes there are action figures
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on this bookshelf behind me. I don't have any My
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Adventures with Superman action figures to put on any shelves
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in my home, and I figured I would. This whole
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pie guess is just really eployed to complain about that.
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You're literally not the first person we've done an interview
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with who's like, so, but like, when are you gonna
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get up?
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Good?
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Good?
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Okay?
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And I wish I wish I controlled that, because then
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I would be like obviously right away. But yeah, it
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was funny. We got asked that at like San Diego
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Comic Con last year, and we're like, yeah, I no merchandise.
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I'm like afterwards, because that at that exact moment, I
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was writing the My Adventure Superman tie in and DC
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was like, you should have talked about the comic. I
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was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Never mind, everybody comes back.
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We have a comic book out in stores everywhere, Yes.
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And it's wonderful, So that's okay. I can. I will
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give you a pass for that. The comic book is
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so good that I'm okay without the figurines, but I'm
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glad to hear that people are talking about it. Just
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putting that out there into the universe and maybe that
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will manifest and something will happen. So okay, yes for
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both of our sakes, But what is your earliest memory
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of Superman, Like first realizing this character existed was out
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there in the world.
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Yeah, yeah, so I mean for me, it it really
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was through the comics. I'm a kid of the nineties,
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so one of the big like if you were, you know,
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you can very much date exactly how old I am,
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cause I remember seeing a news report about the death
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of Superman, uh and specifically that being a huge deal,
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like I had think Supermann mentioned before, but like that
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truly was like sort of like the big thing that
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everybody was talking about, and it was like they killed Superman,
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a Superman ever coming back, like they're reporting, like it
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was almost like the doomsday Superman fight was a real
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event that happened. That it was the way that everybody
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was reacting and so obviously that was like that was
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like basically my first Superman comic was picking up that
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and then the sort of the Man of Steel stuff
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that moved into that, and like I loved it, but
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like that was truly because like you know, I watched
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you know, Justice League, uh and Justice League Unlimited. I
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saw the Superman the animated series, so like, I think
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probably Superman the animated series and like the Death of
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Superman stuff was happening pretty close together. But what I
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remember is picking up those comics at the CVS where
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I would buy all of my comics and being like
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so into it, and then like talking to people like
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kids on the playground about like, you know, the reign
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of Superman afterwards, and being like I think that, like
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it's actually this guy, Like I think Cyborg Superman is
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actually Superman. I love super Boys leather jacket. So yeah,
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the comics very quickly after, probably almost simultaneously the like
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the animated series, but for sure comics.
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Yeah, it's funny you bring up CVS because I remember
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I used to go grocery shopping with my mom and
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I would kind of sneak off to the magazine section,
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and that's how I read Superman. For all seasons. I
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would have to weigh each it was like every few months.
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It took a little bit for all four of them
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to come out, but I remember I would get really
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excited when a new one was out.
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It's really funny because it's just like it's also this
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like very random thing of just like so much of
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my personality and career in my life has been shaped
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by whoever was stalking the random comic books at CBS,
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some like hike in like nineteen ninety like four whatever,
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Like there's a man or a woman responsible for me,
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and they worked at CBS. So if that's you, I
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owe you my life.
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I remember the reign of Superman and what's funny is I?
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And I actually it was such a joy and a treat.
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I got to chat with Mike Carlin and I mentioned
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to him my parents must have done a really good
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job shielding me from the depth of Superman. I wasn't
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I was alive, but I wasn't fully cognizant of what
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was happening. But I do remember seeing the like the
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four tile poster of like which one is it? Like
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which Superman is it? Is it? This guy? And I
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remember being like that looks really cool. Wait a second,
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why are these four replacements needed? What happened to Superman?
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And then through years of therapy, I think I'm finally
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coming out the other end of that tunnel. But when
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did you start to get into uh writing? I mean,
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it sounds like obviously, like you were very creative and
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very into creative stuff and comics and movies and TV
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and things like that. Did that immediately spark that love
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and that desire to start writing?
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Oh yeah for sure. I mean like I was, I
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was a big geek kid. I read any comic who
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could get my hands on. I was reading graphic novels.
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Like again, I was like living through the boom of
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like suddenly like uh manga getting published in America and
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like being able to get your hands on like anime,
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like I like all of the stuff. Is like I
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loved like fantasy sci fi superheroes like edithing genre. I
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loved so much and so like as as a kid,
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I would make my own comics with my friends where
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it was like it was like the me and my
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like three best friends. We were the like oz three
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because we all had like Rosie Josie, like we all
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had like ozy.
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Names and razy.
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We would tackle on villains such as little brother Boy,
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who is just my little brother like and so I
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was like drawing and writing like my own like comic
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and it took me a second to like realize that's like,
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you know, I wanted to work in comics I when
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work in TV. H You know, when I first went
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to college, I thought I was gonna like do theater
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and like really kind of self important like theatrical like
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experimental theater. Like I was like the more black box theater,
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the better. And then like that lasted, Like my first
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like TV writing class in college, I was like, never mind,
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I help comedy, I love action, I love you can
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write this this for a living. But yeah, I would
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say pretty pretty quick, like as a kid, like that
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was what I would do. I would make little comics
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about my friends and hand it to them, or I
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would write little sketches and me and my friends would
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like record it with like the giant ass like VHS
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camera that my guests had, and like taught myself how
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to like do like very basic like VHS like editing
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on on that camera.
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I guess if you're talking about anime and manga, that
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probably was. Was that like a major major influence on
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everything you were drawing at the time and clearly clearly
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lived through the years and con.
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Oh yeah, for sure. You know, like it's very clear
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like what influenced like every millennial who is now making
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stuff in like Hollywood and for comics, but yeah, it
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was like, you know, I I loved Mangu. I loved
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anime like it was something I had never seen before, truly,
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Like I I one of the things that was so
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cool is I think it's hard for kids and young
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people understand now, is just like nothing looked like it.
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the waves of like some of the best anime ever
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made suddenly have been translated and they're cheap and they're
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showing up on tsunami. Uh so you didn't realize that
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what you were watching was like ten years old, but
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here you are. But yeah, and you know, honestly, the
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the other thing that influenced me was you know, the
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the very specific uh you know, the Bruce Timp stuff,
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Dwayne McDuffie like sort of stuff, especially like Static Shock
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like that like sort of era of like uh wo
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days w B like that. It was those two things
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going together. It's like I would wake up at five
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am to watch sailor Moon getting broadcast in and then
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I'd stay up until like eleven when like they would
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read broadcast like Batman the animated series like that was
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that was that was my day.
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Yeah, that is the perfect childhood. It really is. And
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I remember like when they brought Adult Swim into the
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mix at Cartoon Network and you had like Cowboy Bebop
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and stuff. But at what point did you start to think, like,
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all right, I'm gonna start pursuing this professionally and how
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did that go?
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Well? I knew I wanted to tell stories, so, like
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I said, like when I went to college, I went
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to a college that was very specifically. It was like theater, TV,
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and film. That's all at Emerson College is all they did.
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It's like a big entertainment communications school. Like I said,
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I started thinking, I was like, oh, do theater, and
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then quickly realized it was like I like TV. I
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like TV and film. I like, you know, I didn't
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realize that animation was a thing you could totally get into.
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But like, you know, a part of my comedy troupe,
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we would like write sketches and me and one of
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my best friends who later on we fell in love
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and got married and now my husband. But like we
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would do stop motion sketches together, or like we'd talk
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about Futurama, watching like you know, the Adult Swim shows.
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So when I moved out to Los Angeles, like I
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moved out to specifically pursue TV writing, and then I
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moved out in two thousand and eight, and a month
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later the global economy crashed because because I had I
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had been hired at Warner Brothers to do like web
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content for them and write stuff for them, and then yeah,
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it crashed. Everybody got fired, everybody lost their jobs, and
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ironically I got into because of that though. That got
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me more into the comic side, because I got a
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job as the DC beat reporter for a website called
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Comic Book Resources that back in the day, yeah, was
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you know, like like reporting on comic books and comic
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book movies and comic book reviews. So that was like,
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while I was like trying to break into the industry,
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I was also interviewing you know, like Mike Carlin and
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like you know, Paul, like Deani and all of those
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people to talk about the things that they were working
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on and publish them. And then while doing this, eventually
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a friend of mine became an assistant over at Warner
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Brothers and got one of the scripts that I was
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working on in front of Alan Burnett, who was one
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of the big producers on Batman at the anime series
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and a ton of DC stuff like Justice Leagu Unlimited
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Justice League, and Alan really really liked my scripts and
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so he brought me in to start pitching things for him.
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It was like Scooby Doos and like you know, Batman,
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various things. And that's how I got my foot in
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the doors. I started pitching to Alan and then got
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hired to do a bunch of freelance scripts for Warner Brothers.
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was like d See. It was like Warner Brothers and
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Disney combined. I knew Nate Stevenson, who was running Shira,
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from talking to him and interviewing him about comic books
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in my CBR days, and he hired me, uh and
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then kind of like everything took off from there. So
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I got in sort of talking to the people that
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like I admired, like interviewing them for things, and then
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they remember who I was, so when my script came
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across their desk, they were like, oh that person, Oh
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I like her, Oh I like this script a lot,
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Let's let's bring her in. So yeah, so it was
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it was it was hard at first, definite and definitely
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there was like a couple of like they get broken
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closer to like twenty eleven or so, so there was
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like twenty eleven twenty twelve. There was like a bit
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of time where I was like, all right, I'm gonna
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be writing uh, you know, reviews about comic books and
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then also ghostwriting for comedians. Like it was like whatever
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jobs I could compile together, I'm like, I'm also want
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to do like script coverage.
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Yeah, which comedians did you go right for?
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Oh my god, it is the weirdest grab bag. For
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a while, I was so there was like this group,
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like marketing group that did like marketing a shows for
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like various like best Sports Marketing, best video Game Marketing,
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best this marketing. So they had had money so they'd
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hire comedians to the host, but like they didn't have
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enough money to like hire somebody older than twenty two
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years old to write these jokes. So it's like it's
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wild I got to write for like the Workaholics guys.
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Uh Norm McDonald, Norm McDonald, dude, it's it's It's still
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one of my favorite things is he was hosting like
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the Promax BDA. I think it was the Video Game
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Marketing Awards for like one of those years and they
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got him, and so I was so excited, Like yeah,
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so I ghost wrote jokes and it ghost wrote like
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the host bits, and like then I would send that
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to the comedian and they would like put their spin
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on things, and they'd send it back and I'd like
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format everything. So yeah, Norm McDonald super super funny, nice guy,
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like funnier in person.
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I always say, like, when I rank my favorite superheroes,
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it's Superman, Norm MacDonald, Batman, at spider Man, you know
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all the rest. But at what point did you start
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to get involved in the conversation of my adventures with Superman?
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And what was that conversation? This was I'm trying to
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like figure out the timeline and well, because it's.
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Also animation takes a very long time to make, like
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it takes like two years to make like a season
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of a show more if you add in the like
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you know, development. So like I started chatting with Jake
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and Brendan like in like twenty eighteen, like I was
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still on Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous, and they're like, Oh,
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we're pitching this thing, and I think you'd really like it.
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We'd really like to work with you. And I was like, oh,
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I don't know, I'm busy, but also hear all these
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ideas and oh my god, I love Lois Lane, and
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like every time beside each other we be like, okay,
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I'm gonna yell another idea at you. And then they
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were like officially like hey, they want to, like you know,
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develop this with us, and like do you want to
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come on? Do you want to write the pilot with us?
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Do you want to like develop and run this with us?
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And I was like, oh, hell yeah, So I came
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on to write the pilot with them. We like made
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the pilots and then we got sort of the green
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light from there, so like, yeah, So Brendan and Jake
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had been talking to the Warner brothers for a while.
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They they started the development process and then like they
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came back to me, They're like, we know you're busy,
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and like, no, what's no I want to.
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To do this when where Superman is concerned. I am
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no longer busy.
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I'm no longer busy, I'm no longer busy. I'm done
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with dinosaurs. I'm a Superman. So yeah, so I came
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over and then we actually made basically made all of
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the first two seasons within the span of like the
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first two years of the pandemic. Like, it was it
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was wild that we went in. We started the show,
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we all you know, found out Okay, well you have
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to go home, we're quarantining, but we'll probably be back
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in like a week. And then two years later we
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like our like final like episode, we all got to
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go in person four. So it was it was a
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wild time.
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Yeah, yeah, that must have been very nice to finally
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get to quote unquote meet everybody.
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Exactly exactly like season two. We were basically back in
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the office but like still masks on and still like
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sitting like as far apart as we could while we're
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yelling at each other about like you know, like I
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think that this is what should happen with uh with
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a Supergirl.
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Yeah, well, what are the So what were those early
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conversations like as you were starting to dream up the
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story and like throwing ideas out there, what were those
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conversations And then what was getting you aside from the
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fact that it's Superman, it's Lois Lane, like oh my god,
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that's amazing, what was getting you personally excited about like, oh,
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we could really put our own stamp on this, So
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you know.
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A lot of it was we we pitched out a
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lot of it as part of like the pitch to
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get a screenlit. Like we kind of figured out a
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good chunk of like what season one would be, even
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down to specific episodes, and then like you know, we
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had the idea of like Supergirl as the villain for
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season two. But like what got me, what got me
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really excited and on board was like you know, and
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which we did in our pitch too, of just like
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talking about the fact that like Superman is like a
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rom com. It's as romantic as it is super heroic.
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You know, like the very first issue of like Superman
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introduces Lois Lane, like it's just she is fundamental to Superman.
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You cannot have Superman with Lois, you cannot have Lois
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without Superman. And she is like like a load bearing
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part of this like iconic love story. And so like
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I was excited to like sort of work on something
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that the like sort of the love and the emotions
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and the relationship are just as important as like the
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robots and the explosions and the bad guys, and that
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treats Lois and Jimmy as equals not a damsel in
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distress to rescue and not a sort of funny side
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character who's always wrong. This is our version, like Lois
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is rescuing Superman. Well, Jimmy is rescuing Superman as much
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as Superman rescues them. Like Jimmy's still a funny side character,
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but like he's technically right about every single part of
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the DC universe, Like people laugh at him, but like
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turn a boy is real, Like he's he's correct and
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that like I really loved, Like how you know, one
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of my favorite versions of Superman is the Fleischer cartoons,
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And in those Fleischer cartoons, Lois is such a like
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incredible like force, Like it's like unsuppable, like unsupplele force
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me to moveable objects. She's just like jumping into the
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back of like vans and like chasing and robots and
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robots and me like I'm gonna get my story. H
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Clark Kent's like badge uh to get a story instead
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of him. Like she's so like ballsy, And I was
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like I love that energy, and I feel like we
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have a chance to bring that in in a very
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modern fun way, which we did with like Alice and Jack,
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like they're They're kind of a perfect Lois and Clark.
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In my opinion, they're wonderful.
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Let me tell you, I, uh well, let me preface
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this first and foremost. I'll say, I absolutely adore this show,
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and it's for a lot of the reasons you describe.
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But when I started, I watched the first episode, I
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want to say, and I don't know what it was.
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I don't know what what where my mind was, but
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it was just like, I was like, I don't know
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how I feel about this, and so I put it
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down and then I was like, you know, maybe at
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some point I'll come back to this. The first season aired,
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the second season aired, and it was always in the
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back of my mind. And in the meantime, my son
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is watching the animated Bruce Tim Pauldini and that animated
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series because he loves the theme song. So at a
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certain point, I've had those episodes on in a loop
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and I love that series. But late at night I'm
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like thinking to myself, I'm like, well, i've been watching
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that with him. I want to watch some other Superman thing,
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you know what. Let me give my adventures with Superman
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another shot. And I feel like everybody experiences this and
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I'm sure you have as well, But like that moment
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of like you watch it and everything clicks, and it
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throws you into an existential crisis cause you're like, who
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was I before that I wasn't responding to this because
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this is everything I want, this is everything I love.
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And I realized, I think what threw me for a
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loop the first time was how quickly Clark and Lewis
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are kind of into each other. It kind of threw
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me off because I'm I'm a big fan of the
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like will they won't they energy and that she doesn't know,
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so I think them being immediately spenten through me for
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a loop. But then as the show, and sorry this
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is going to spoil a little bit. If you haven't
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seen season one, you should probably go and watch it.
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But within the first few episodes, seeing the journey you
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were going to take these characters on, and deciding early
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on to have Lois find out, and deciding early on
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that Jimmy and Clark were besties and went to college together.
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I realized we don't get a whole lot of great
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stories these days that focus on this trio. And then
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once I kind of like was won over by the
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approach there, I was like completely and immediately sold them.
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From that point on, it was there was no turning back,
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and I've been in love with this series ever since.
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I think the cast is wonderful, but what I really
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love and appreciate is the fact that you've kind of
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brought them all equally to the forefront. And I think
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that's what having Lois discover Clark's identity early on brings
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to it. You don't have to play that game anymore.
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You can just kind of have them go on adventures
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together well, and it.
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Also opens up a new thing that like you actually
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kind of rarely get to see, which is Lois and
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Jimmy he are equally doing the superheroics and helping Clark. Yeah,
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and you know, especially like season two, we have a
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lot of fun with like now Jimmy and Lois have
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to cover for Clark. Now they are keeping the secret too,
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or like they're trying to like throw Vicky Vale off
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the sense of figuring out who Superman is or they
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or Cat Grant. Like you know, I think your favorite
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episode s right was still the like most eligible Superman,
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where like they're like we have to pretend that you're
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super single because we can't find out that, like like
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we're dating together, as you'll figure out that you're Superman.
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So it's like it opened up a different dimension that,
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like I said, like actually like pretty much haven't really
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seen like maybe a couple of comics have done it
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where it's like Jimmy and Lois are keeping Superman secret
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as well. Now all three of them could get caught
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in a lie. All three of them have something at stake,
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and all three of them are as we learn equally
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pad it lying. Like it's like Lois is very smart,
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like Jimmy's very smart. They figure it out pretty fast
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and then yeah, you just watch them being like trying
484
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.559
to cover and it works because no one believes that
485
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Clark is anything special, but Lois and Jimmy know that
486
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he is. Yes, you know. That's the other thing that
487
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.519
like we really wanted to get into again to make
488
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.599
it different is just you know, like who doesn't love
489
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Clark Kent, Like only a monster wouldn't love Clark Kent.
490
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But like you know, they live in a world that
491
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like ignores Clark Kent. So of course Lois and Jimmy
492
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.720
in our version figure out that Clark is Superman because
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to them Clark is super They love Clark, they think
494
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.920
he's great like and so it's less of a struggle
495
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.839
for them to put it together and realize, oh, Clark
496
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is Superman, that it is for like again, Cat Grant
497
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:56.680
or something like Perry or somebody else to be like,
498
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ah the quiet guy.
499
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.400
Yeah, right right. And it also organically gives Lois and
500
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.720
Jimmy Moore agency because they're kind of playing parallel to
501
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.519
the Superman stories, at least the ones we're used to it.
502
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:09.640
Most of the time we are seeing stories where it's
503
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.559
like Lois doesn't know and so she's off doing something
504
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and then I gotta leave and come save you as Superman.
505
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:18.599
So the fact that now Lois and Jimmy can play
506
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.799
really a more active role in these adventures. They are
507
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.759
taking on the challenges that Superman's taking on. Obviously they
508
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.119
don't have the powers he does, but they're able to
509
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participate in a way that I once once I stopped
510
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.279
being a jerk and started loving this show, I realized,
511
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.200
like I was like, this is great, I love this,
512
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.759
but it was just like realizing this is a really fun,
513
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.440
fresh approach to it, and as a character thing, just
514
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.200
giving them more to do made it really really exciting.
515
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:49.759
I wanted to ask you about the casting and figuring
516
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.640
out like who was going to play these parts and
517
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.279
what spoke to you about all these particularly that trio.
518
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.200
Yeah, I mean, so we kind of did a big
519
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.960
casting call, like a like a are casting people at
520
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.039
Warner Brothers kind of put out a wide net, and
521
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.240
when we did casting, we were like trying to find
522
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:10.480
people who could like do a good like there's there's
523
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:14.799
a lot of very like good Superman like acting, but
524
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.720
like we wanted somebody who could nail Clark, like because
525
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.279
like that's our version, our version is Clark, Like he's
526
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:22.480
a little bit more put together as Superman. But we're like,
527
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.240
we need somebody who isn't just good at the Superman voice,
528
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who can do the Clark voice.
529
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Uh.
530
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And it's it. We just so lucked out that at
531
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.160
the time jack Quade was like, you know, he didn't Boimler,
532
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.799
but like he hadn't done very much else in the
533
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.039
like sort of like voice acting, and it was just
534
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.880
like starting starting to like his rocket ship to success.
535
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.920
So like he read for it and we're like, oh
536
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.440
my god, this is this is it? Like he he
537
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:47.960
was like one of the first people we heard, and
538
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.559
we're like, he's got a perfect Clark, Like this is
539
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.880
he sounds like Clark Kent, Like this is a perfect
540
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.359
Clark Kent, Like he does a good Superman, but oh
541
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.440
my god, he's like dead on uh And so like
542
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.160
we like grabbed him. Same thing with like Alice Lee
543
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.160
and Ishmael. Like Alice Lee, we had like a huge
544
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.079
list of like forty people that we were listening to,
545
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.240
and she like was like I think in the middle,
546
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:13.960
and it was just like as soon as she started talking,
547
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:15.440
We're like, oh, this is it. Like she had the
548
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.799
perfect energy where it's like you know, it's it's kind
549
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.640
of our version is a little hard where it's like
550
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.400
she's very excited, she's very happy. She's also very like
551
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.039
pushy and like she's gonna get her way. And so
552
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.319
I was like she was able to do this incredible
553
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.880
balance of like she's funny and she's sweet and there's
554
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.279
a little vulnerability to her. So you love her even
555
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.759
though she's just grabbing Clark by like the tie, not
556
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.599
dragging him around and be like come on, Smallville.
557
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.759
Yeah, that's a tough line to walk because it could
558
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.119
be like, oh, this is annoying and omnoxious, but yeah,
559
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.400
she pulls it off. It's very very sweet and she's
560
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.480
very very endearing.
561
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.119
He's incredibly charming, and that was the thing that we
562
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.359
were looking for as a Lois Lane who like you know,
563
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.279
is really active, jumps into it, but comes off as
564
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charming rather than like annoying or pushy like and Alice
565
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.720
was it. We're like, yeah, she's an incredibly charming person
566
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:08.640
to listen to. And like Alice and Jack didn't meet
567
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.559
for the first two seasons, like they recorded separately, separate locations,
568
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.599
and it was insane because their chemistry together is so good. Yeah,
569
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.160
and then Ishmael is so funny because Ishmael's personality is
570
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.480
a little bit like he is a little bit like Jimmy,
571
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.519
where he's like coming in, he's like kind of hanging loose,
572
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.559
like he's jumping in. He's like laughing as he's like
573
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.920
recording his lines. So like Ishmael was like this incredible
574
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.039
like glue holding us together where it's like, yeah, Jack
575
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.480
and Alice were exactly the character. And then yeah, we
576
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.519
had Ishmael come back in to do sort of like
577
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.319
a more serious Jimmy Reid, and he nailed both like
578
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.759
here's goofy Jimmy and then here's Jimmy. You know, we
579
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.319
had him. The side we had him read was the
580
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.200
side that would the scene that turned into the like
581
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:54.920
him telling Superman in season one that he's known since college,
582
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.079
that he's been Superman, because it's like it's very sincere,
583
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.400
and then it's and silly again, like so yeah, the
584
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.519
three of them were just we got so lucky, especially
585
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.319
with Jack, that we got so lucky that we were
586
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.759
able to grab him when we did, because even as
587
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.599
the show is coming out, like he was more and
588
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.440
more things, and now he's just like he's in every
589
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.519
movie that is out and every movie that will come out.
590
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.000
It's wonderful. I love it. I love it so much.
591
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.839
I also love that later on we found out that
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00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.799
he'd actually auditioned for James Gun's movie, and I was like, well,
593
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.759
this is perfect. So it's like he may not have
594
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.960
gotten that, but he's still Superman.
595
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.440
So well Superman, he still gets to do it. Yeah, exactly. Again,
596
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.799
the three of them are incredible actors. Jack Quaid is
597
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.920
like the nicest guy. He showed up to his first
598
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.799
recording like a Superman like T shirt. It was just
599
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:43.559
so fun.
600
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.240
I love that so much. Now talk about balancing the
601
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.319
humor with the heart, because I think that was something
602
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.440
else that surprised me is feeling like, Okay, it's kind
603
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.400
of it's a little rom com, but then the action
604
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.480
is on point, like it's very, very exciting. It's beautifully animated.
605
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.720
I mean, like this action is Jin and Lee thrilling.
606
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.640
It's some of the best Superman action I think out
607
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.519
there right now. But you balance it so nicely finding
608
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.680
those different tones and you kind of always come back
609
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.440
to the heart of it and you don't even realize
610
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.880
it and it's an emotional wallop. But how has that developed?
611
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.319
Why was that important for you?
612
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.480
I mean the line that I think got us greenlit
613
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.359
is us saying it's a rom com with punching, and
614
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.000
that was that was how we were approaching it. It's
615
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.680
like each story is like, okay, how is this you know,
616
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.519
either fording Clark and Lewis's and sometimes Jimmy's relationships, or
617
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.680
how is it putting a rope block in it, and
618
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.920
then like weaving the superheroics into that. So it was
619
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.079
always the episode is happening because of an emotional thing
620
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.319
that they're going through or because of a story character
621
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.920
er they're going through that is complicated or made worse
622
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.759
or made harder, have obstacles because of the super heroics.
623
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.839
So like in some ways it's like it's a rom
624
00:30:54.920 --> 00:31:00.440
com where villains are the obstacles to true love essentially
625
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.799
is how we're like handling it. And so you know,
626
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.200
for us, like we wanted to really you know, hit
627
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.720
that tone of like it's funny, it's sweet, and you know,
628
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.160
you can't get romance unless you do have that heart.
629
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.960
You can't get steaks unless you care about these people
630
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.599
and the world around them and you care what they're
631
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.880
going through. So you know, the the episodes themselves, like
632
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.799
there's a lot of jokes, there's a lot of humor,
633
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:27.319
Like there's often like they the premises start and they're
634
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.680
kind of pretty silly. But because we take it seriously
635
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.400
and because they are real stakes for their relationships, then
636
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.559
you get those like heart heartwarming or heart wrenching moments.
637
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.240
And it's not just the Clark Lois and Jimmy trio,
638
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.359
Like you know, especially in season two, Lois and her dad,
639
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.599
like Lois like the General and like Amanda Waller, like
640
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.799
there's so many more characters that like you start to
641
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:53.440
see like sort of this is their connections. Like I
642
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.880
really I still really love the like you know, episode
643
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.599
of like Lex Luthor coming out and debating Jimmy on
644
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:04.680
stage about whether or not Superman deserves like basic human rights.
645
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.000
All of this stuff is happening, sure because that there's
646
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.359
superhero reasons, but it matters because it hurts Clark. It
647
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.640
matters because it puts a relationship in peril. So I
648
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.319
think that's the key to all of this is the
649
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.519
way to pull off that hat trick is care about
650
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.200
the characters and have the things that are happening in
651
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:26.319
the world matter because that puts their love and their
652
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.759
lives and their relationships in danger, not just the world.
653
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.960
One of the moments that really got me is I
654
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.400
think it's the finale of season two, maybe the second
655
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:39.519
to last episode, but it's Clark hugging Kara, refusing to
656
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.720
fight her anymore. Yeah, that was such a beautiful moment.
657
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.240
And to me, I feel like what's special about Superman
658
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.519
is not that he can punch people and do all
659
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.960
these amazing things. It's that he has the character and
660
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.759
the heart and the willingness to not do that. Yes,
661
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.839
and I thought that was so beautifully encapsulated in that moment.
662
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.599
Are there any there are moments for you personally that
663
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.640
like feel like a small victory, like maybe just like
664
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.400
it might be hard to pick one, but like maybe
665
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.960
like a real like a moment you're particularly proud of.
666
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.720
I mean, I think the moment in season one that
667
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.799
we all were like really excited about was at the
668
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.160
Cadmus episode when Superman steps in front of the bullets
669
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.720
to protect Lois and at that point, like his powers
670
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.680
are kind of fritzying, and she asked him, like, how
671
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.359
did you know you were a bulletproof? And he's like, well,
672
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.240
I didn't, but I knew you weren't. Yeah, And I
673
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.279
felt like that was one that was another area where
674
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.480
it's like, oh, this is this is the whole philosophy
675
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.400
of who this man is and who Superman is and
676
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.079
why you care about him. He didn't know what he
677
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160
could do. He just knew somebody else would be in danger,
678
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.319
and so he acted. I think, you know, especially the
679
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:46.119
I wrote the first Parasite episode with Brendan and I
680
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.279
think that one, especially the like you know, who's this
681
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.440
guy who like helps people for free? I think that
682
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.599
moment when like, you know, Superman is telling him like
683
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.400
and you see the EMTs and the ambulances, like to
684
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.200
look around you. Is it's so crazy to believe that
685
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:57.960
people want to help.
686
00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.680
Yeah, And I think that's that's it.
687
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.400
I think, you know, people I think over complicate Superman
688
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:05.720
where they're like, well, why does he do what he do?
689
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.159
Is I'm like, because he's a good person, Like that's
690
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.079
the answer. It's like if I had superpowers and I
691
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.280
had the chance to save people and make the world
692
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.639
a little bit brighter and better for the people around me,
693
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.000
like I do it not because I want recognition, not
694
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.519
because I want like fame or glory. It's because then
695
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.119
the world is a little better and brighter and we
696
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.719
all have a slightly better life. And that's you know,
697
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.480
people talk about power fantasies with superheroes, but the power
698
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.440
fantasy for Superman is that the world's most powerful man
699
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.400
cares about you and wants you to be happy, and
700
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.599
so that's how he's going to use his powers. And
701
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.440
so yeah, so you know a lot of a lot
702
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.000
of season one, especially, but like season two when he's
703
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.039
like he doesn't want to fight Kara and that he's
704
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.400
going to get through to her, not because he punches
705
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.360
so well, but because he loves her and he accepts
706
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.000
her for who she is. And that's truly you can see,
707
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.079
like All Star Superman definitely influence stuff a lot, but
708
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.280
you can see that sort of DNA. But like the
709
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.760
idea of Superman as a hero isn't just this man
710
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.440
can fly, it's this man can love. Like you will
711
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.719
believe a man can love. That's Superman.
712
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:18.159
I believe it. You've sold me. What about the comic book,
713
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.679
which is kind of an interlude, it's a bridge between
714
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:21.519
season one and two?
715
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:22.400
Uh?
716
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.159
You done? Had you done comic book writing at that point?
717
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:26.280
Like?
718
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.400
Was that a new experience for you? And what was
719
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.079
the difference between doing that versus writing for the show?
720
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.760
Yeah? So I had been doing comics, so at that
721
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:39.000
point I had done some short comic stories, and then
722
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:42.360
I had just done the New Champion of Shizam mini
723
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.880
series with Doc Shanner, which was fantastic.
724
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.280
And of course the how can I forget all the
725
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.599
comic books you did in high school and so? But
726
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:52.360
you have years you're professional.
727
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.800
Yeah, and I had just actually started doing It's the
728
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.679
run is over now, But I had been doing, Like
729
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.480
I got tapped to do over from Mark Wade doing
730
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.039
Shazam at the same time.
731
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.000
Can I tell you a funny story about that.
732
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:05.599
Yeah.
733
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.559
That was another scenario in which I was like, oh,
734
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.360
I'm such a big Mark Wade fan. I don't know
735
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.440
much about Shazam, but I'll read his run. And then
736
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.239
I found out he was leaving, and I was like,
737
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.280
do I want to continue this? And then when I
738
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.079
had my My Adventures with Superman Revelation and I was like,
739
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.159
this is the best show ever. I was such an idiot.
740
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:22.840
I went back to Shazam and I was like, I
741
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.960
guess I'll pick this back. Wait, Josie can't. Is that?
742
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.800
Oh my god? And then I realized, look, the world, people,
743
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.440
the world is full of wonderful, beautiful things. You just
744
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.079
need to open yourself up to the possibility. This is
745
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.000
all to say I love that run, so thank you
746
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.239
so much. But anyway, sorry to interrupt, please continue.
747
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.679
Basically I had done some writing. I was still like
748
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.760
getting my feet under me, so like, it's so funny
749
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.920
because it's like this this was one where you know,
750
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.159
with Shazam, like I'm kind of like connecting it up
751
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.320
to what Mark was doing and then like like trying
752
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.760
to do my own thing or like you know, with
753
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.920
with some of the shorts I had done, it was like,
754
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.760
you know, connecting up to DC universe. But it was
755
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.719
very interesting to write a mini series that takes place
756
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.760
in the continuity that I established, because then it's like, well,
757
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.519
I'm not really getting notes on whether or not this
758
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.199
makes sense because I'm the one having to like essentially
759
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:12.519
note myself.
760
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:16.679
How lovely one less round of notes you have to
761
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:17.920
go through to get it out in the door.
762
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah. Yeah, So it turned things in and then like
763
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.320
you know, Brendan and Jake would read it too, and
764
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.119
we're like cool. The mini series, which is now out
765
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.480
in trade paperback, started as like a story we wanted
766
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.800
to do in season one. We just didn't have space.
767
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.519
Like when you only have twenty episodes, you have to
768
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.039
be really economical. So like it started as like we
769
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.760
wanted to do a sort of a version of like
770
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.079
a Maso or Parasite. It turned what we ended up
771
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.880
doing turned into Parasite. But we had the idea of like, okay,
772
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.920
what if one of Superman's villains shows up and like
773
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:49.960
everybody knows it's a villain and then you find out
774
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.360
actually they're the damsel in distress, they're the one who
775
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.880
needs saving. And then from there we got Pablo Kolar,
776
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.639
who is just an incredible artists, Like, oh my god,
777
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.639
he like really he does a great job making it
778
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.719
look both kind of like the show but also like
779
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.559
its own comic. I'm never a fan of like comics
780
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.440
that like feel like this is just like a simpler
781
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.840
knockoff of what we've seen on the TV show.
782
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.159
Right, almost like just storyboards of the TV show.
783
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.519
Yeah, exactly, because you know, I love comics, so like,
784
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.960
if you pick up a comic, it shouldn't be storyboards,
785
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.000
it should be comic art. And like Pablo delivered that
786
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.559
in spades, like it feels like it lives in its
787
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.400
own distinct universe. So that was my very long winded
788
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:37.199
to your question. But like the answer is, I was
789
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.599
still kind of learning the ropes of comics, but because
790
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.519
I knew this universe so well, I knew their voices
791
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.159
so well, like it was actually like every week it
792
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.800
was like, oh, this is the easiest thing I have
793
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.480
to do. Writing this is a breeze. Like I love
794
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.480
this so much.
795
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.599
And I don't normally get emotional reading. Books don't typically
796
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.079
make me cry, but I the the line in the
797
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:04.880
book it was Superman telling the robot, let me save you. Yeah,
798
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.079
that got me real good, and it just speaks to
799
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.599
your talent as a writer. But also how heart felt
800
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.199
this show is. And that's always been to me the
801
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.280
most important thing about Superman. It's been something I've missed
802
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.079
from some of the more recent interpretations. So it was
803
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.400
really really lovely to see that brought back.
804
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.440
Look, if you can't be heartfelt with Superman, like what
805
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.519
character can you be?
806
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:31.519
Well, exactly, Yeah, there's no point. Yeah no, I completely agree.
807
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.559
So we are moving into the realm of season three,
808
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.280
which I believe you're about to spoil right now in
809
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.039
full detail. Go nope, Well I did my part. I tried, kids,
810
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.760
but it's happening. We know it's happening, and that's very,
811
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.400
very very exciting. Do I have to wait a very
812
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.679
very long time for this to come into my life?
813
00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:01.119
I don't. I can't. I literally can't say anything about it. Really.
814
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.199
If you miss Superman right now, I encourage you to
815
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.400
pick up the trade paperback of the My Adventures comic
816
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:11.360
book yes now, and let that tide you over and
817
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:16.239
then at a point the show will come back and yeah, I.
818
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.760
Can't really, I will say, well, also this year, if
819
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.239
you miss Superman, you're in luck because we're about to
820
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.559
get like a massive onslaught of Superman materity.
821
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.360
To get up. Yeah, I was gonna say that the
822
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:31.559
movie movies out like I lost, Like Dan Slot's writing Superman.
823
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.280
It's wild, like the absolute Superman is a is a banger,
824
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.599
Like there's a lot of fun Superman stuff out there
825
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:38.119
right now.
826
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:42.039
So the answer is be patient, it will happen, and
827
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.199
in the meantime you have plenty to keep you busy.
828
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.559
I also encourage everyone to pick up that trade paperback.
829
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:53.519
I also want to know, as somebody who loves owning
830
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.880
physical media, where is season one and season two's Blu ray?
831
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.800
There's a DVD for season one.
832
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.280
I don't say it's the same thing as the merchandise.
833
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.480
It's like I don't get like those decisions are made
834
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.440
by like a different department, and I don't know where
835
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.920
they are, so I can't threaten them. So like it's
836
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.400
so funny I don't know what the calculus is because
837
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.760
it's the same thing happened with like Jurassic World, Camprotaceous
838
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.960
and Shira where it's like I have season one or
839
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.960
like one, two, three for those shows, and then like
840
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.079
I'm like, but where's the Blu Ray? Where's Yeah, where's
841
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.719
more So there's a DVD right now out there?
842
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:27.360
Uh?
843
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.039
And then it's on Max and I think you can
844
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.679
buy it off of Apple. I'm not totally sure, but uh,
845
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.480
I mean I kind of think like people just need
846
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.880
to keep buying the DVD to encourage them to put
847
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.840
the rest of it out there. I'm hoping that they
848
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.559
do so because it would be nice to physically own
849
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:46.360
these things.
850
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.199
Yes, let me ask you this random question about Clark
851
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.519
and Lois and Jimmy. What do you think their karaoke
852
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.199
go to picks are?
853
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.840
Oh my god, amazing? Uh So, I think I think
854
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.760
Jimmy's got like a like a nineties like R and
855
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.559
B mix that like he thinks sounds smooth, but like
856
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.480
he can't quite hit the high notes in it, so
857
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:10.199
it's like he thinks he's like boys to men and
858
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.639
it's like definitely like like a little bit more tiny
859
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:18.440
tim when he's singing it. I think that Clark is
860
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.239
like continually he's not like friend. He goes to karaoke
861
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.079
and you realize that like he only knows like very
862
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.920
specific country songs from like the mid He's like the
863
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.360
Midwest boy, and it's just like a song nobody else
864
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.440
has ever heard of, or like it's not even like
865
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:34.800
the big hits. He's just like very like little things.
866
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.000
And when I think, like Lois is like, uh, she's
867
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:42.880
doing power ballads, She's doing Pat Benatar, she's doing Tina Turner.
868
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.360
Like if there's a like female like rock and roll crooner,
869
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.719
she's gonna be like jumping in and singing that.
870
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.079
So yeah, I love it, perfect answer for each one
871
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:51.400
of those.
872
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.480
Definitely, Clark has got some Dolly Parton in his pocket.
873
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.159
Please just saying you know, I will not complain of
874
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.679
somewhere down the line and that ends up in an episode. Please,
875
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.559
I'm gonna make that happen. But how are you feeling
876
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.239
in the midst of this summer of Superman? Are you
877
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.960
excited as a fan? Are you just so busy right
878
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.320
now that you can't even process what life is?
879
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.239
Oh my god, I mean very busy, But like also
880
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.840
I'm so excited and I'm so like, I'm I'm the
881
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.039
person I think I've made this joke before. It's like
882
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.039
I'm that meme of like Auto like being like, don't
883
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.679
make me tap the sign and sign is just like
884
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.199
every Superman media is good because it has Superman in it,
885
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.480
and like I but like, I'm so excited to see
886
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:35.000
the movie. I'm so excited to see like all of
887
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:39.440
the like basically variations of Superman coming out. Like it's
888
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.440
it's a fun time. I feel like he he was
889
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.239
like like we go through waves. You know, you have
890
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.360
like a big Batman wave of like Batman's number one
891
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.000
Batman movies, Batman, this, Batman that, but like, you know, Superman,
892
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:56.119
he's the original superhero he kicked off like the superhero genre.
893
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.559
Like Superman's popularity was like what was keeping like you
894
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.840
know national and then DC afloat. So it's fun to
895
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.639
sort of be living through I think a cycle where
896
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.199
Superman is coming back into the forefront and more and
897
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.679
more people are like, you know, what I want when
898
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.280
I go to a movie or TV show is somebody
899
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.000
who like genuinely cares and there's brightness and there's light
900
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.280
and there's color, and I honestly like David corn sweat
901
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:23.760
and like Rachel Brosnan seem like incredible casting. So like
902
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.079
I haven't. I haven't had the chance to see it
903
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.800
early on. I like I know a little bit about
904
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.239
it just from working in the Superman side of things.
905
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.000
Have you gotten to meet James yet?
906
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.719
I have not. It's so funny. He's very busy, so,
907
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.639
like you know, I like, for instance, like I'm running
908
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.639
the you got announcement run the new Starfire Show. We like, yes,
909
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.360
sent like we recorded our pitch to send to him
910
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:45.719
because he was like in the middle of like fifty
911
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.559
different things. He's like re imagining the DC universe. So
912
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.679
I haven't gotten to meet him, but like you know,
913
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:52.800
I'm a big fan of everything he's doing in all
914
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.440
of his work, and like, I truly cannot wait to
915
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.079
see the movie, and I'm very excited to, like, you know,
916
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.639
see pictures set like set pictures that are bright and colorful,
917
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.519
and it seems like everybody's having a fun time.
918
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.920
Yes. Absolutely. And then for people this is I'm stealing
919
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.440
this question from my friend's Brad and Lisa Gullicks and
920
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.320
at the Comic Book Couples Counseling podcast. But for people
921
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:18.199
walking out of that theater, obviously you'll you'll have copies
922
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.239
of my Adventures with Superman trade paperback to give them,
923
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.559
and the DVD and eventually the Blu ray. Let's hope,
924
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.159
you know, figure out. But yeah, yeah, by July it'll
925
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.719
be out. It'll be out. Yeah, yeah, for sure, this
926
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.559
podcast is gonna make it happen. But uh, what other
927
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.239
what other comics or Superman books would you hand out
928
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.000
to those people outside of the theater?
929
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.639
Oh Man, So, I I really think All Star Superman
930
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.559
is one of the best Superman stories. It's like, it's
931
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.400
like such a fun ride. It's like a perfect each
932
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.880
one is a perfect encapsulation of a Superman story and
933
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:53.159
a Superman vibe. I would say it seems very funny
934
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:56.079
because it's being very contradictory, but like honestly, like we
935
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.119
were all very influenced by like Kingdom Come. Like it's
936
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:04.800
just again another really strong story in a very different way.
937
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.159
I I've talked about this before, but I'm a big
938
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.840
I love the like you know, uh burn run of
939
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.800
like Man of Steel that turned into the you know
940
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.679
Simonson and uh and bug Dan of Uh. But like,
941
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.280
I think that those those early nineties Man of Steel
942
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:24.840
comics are so fun and like they're you know, they're
943
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.280
doing for the nineties what we are kind of doing
944
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.840
for you know, modern times, which is like reimagining this.
945
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:33.920
Like bringing Mom Pap Kent back is like such a
946
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.639
good move. Like I think it's to the point where
947
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.880
it's like I think people don't realize that they were dead.
948
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.599
Like I think people like you're just like Mom Path,
949
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.480
they've always been around. I'm like, no, no, they were gone.
950
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.519
When you go back and read those comics, there's so
951
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.079
much in it where you're like, oh, yeah, this there's
952
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.119
so much in here that is still to this day
953
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.880
in your show and even in James Gun's movie you
954
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.239
can see the DNA of it.
955
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.719
Yeah, And then I would say a hundred percent the
956
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.679
Donner Superman movie like it is it is still such
957
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.599
a magical movie, Like it's it's very simple and very heartfelt,
958
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.800
Like there's something very magical about the way it comes
959
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together and how clever it is and how funny it
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is and how sweet it is. Like that Donner movie
961
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really is like the perfect blueprint for Superman. So yeah,
962
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I throw All Star at them, and throw Kingdom Come
963
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and throw some Burn and then I'd throw the Donners
964
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first Superman movie at them because it's it's it's great.
965
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.159
Great, great choice. Yeah, and Donner's Superman it's like beyond.
966
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I think a lot of people are quick to say, like, yeah,
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it's one of the best superhero movies. It's it's cinema gold,
968
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It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. I
969
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.440
would also love to give you a chance to pitch
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00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.079
me on School Crash. iHeart School Crash, Yez. This is
971
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.039
this is an original work by you, yep, originally so.
972
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.639
Yeah, so it's coming out from Boom the first it's
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00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.960
an ongoing now the first five issues got collected.
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00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:56.760
And how many things are you writing right now?
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00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.920
So there was a point of time where it's like, okay,
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three comics, a show, pitching on another show, and then
977
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.440
I was like, we gotta I gotta slow down. So
978
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.639
like it was definitely like you know, like I still
979
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.480
miss Shizama. I would love to keep going, but like definitely,
980
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.679
like they're like, hey, like I think we're gonna like
981
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.440
like end it around this, and I was like okay,
982
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.159
and then like off calls like oh I can sleep now,
983
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.119
I can sleep now.
984
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.280
You and Mark Wade have a problem. I think you
985
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:23.519
both need to go into counseling.
986
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.920
I think, I think, so I agree, I agree. Yeah,
987
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.559
So I heard. Skull Crusher is a completely original idea.
988
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.480
It's a creator own comic that is now an ongoing
989
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.480
that I've been going through Boom and basically it started
990
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.840
It's it's It's about a plucky eighteen year old girl
991
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.039
named Triny who lives in a podunk little town and
992
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.920
she idolizes her like favorite athlete in the world playing
993
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.760
her favorite sport in the world, and she like, oh
994
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.039
so desperately wants to be a part of this do
995
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.360
her whole like sports underdog story, But the world she
996
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.800
lives in and they is a post apocalyptic America, and
997
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.360
the sport is a literal thunderdome meat soccer blood sport
998
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:03.280
called screaming, and her idolized athlete who she loves and
999
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.960
wants to be exactly like, is named skull Crusher, a
1000
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.760
woman whose signature move is crushing people's skulls. And so
1001
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.880
I like, pitch this this like uh, I pitched this
1002
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to Boom as like, uh, kind of like a sports
1003
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.920
underdog sports anime story meets the apocalypse.
1004
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:22.800
Uh.
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00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.239
And it's it's about plucky Triny pulling together a team
1006
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:29.719
of other ragtag misfits to like enter the tournament, to
1007
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.760
like become part of skull Crusher's team and work her
1008
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.559
way up to the top and like chiever dreams. But
1009
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.039
like in this like crapsac World where like part of
1010
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.199
the game is murdering each other and you all have
1011
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.039
weapons and like everybody is like she's like so starry eyed,
1012
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.480
bushy tailed, and everybody else is like fighting for water. Yeah,
1013
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.079
so it's like a it's like a sports and apocalyptic
1014
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:58.199
sports anime. And I'm working with Alessio Zono, who is
1015
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.440
this incredible artist. He's from Italy. He was doing covers
1016
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:04.400
before and this is his first sort of big American
1017
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.719
work and it's incredible, Like we have the same language,
1018
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.800
Like he's doing a like you know, the story is
1019
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.559
like through like a studio trigger style lens. Like the
1020
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.760
action is incredible that like details are incredible. He's just
1021
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.239
like a one man machine. You know. It's very funny,
1022
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.760
but it's also like very fundamentally about like can you
1023
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.760
hold on to your innocence when things around you are bad?
1024
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.360
Like that's kind of like the there is a very
1025
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.079
heartfelt thread throughout this that Treeny you know she wants
1026
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.800
to be part of the Screaming Paintball world. She wants
1027
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.719
to like she wants skull Crusher to pay attention to
1028
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.039
her and love her. She wants to put together a team.
1029
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.239
But what she really wants as a family, what she
1030
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.159
really wants of people who are going to have her back,
1031
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.119
and what she really wants is to live through her
1032
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.320
impossible dreams, no matter how insane they may seem. And
1033
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:56.159
I came up with the idea during the pandemic and like,
1034
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.440
you know, writing it now, like it feels very timely
1035
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.199
of like you know, this big through line of like
1036
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.039
how do you how do you retain hope when things
1037
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.599
around you seem hopeless? And so it's comedy, it's heart,
1038
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.480
it's action, it's people getting like the mutants biting people
1039
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.639
and heads getting knocked off. Big secrets are gonna get
1040
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:19.480
revealed in the next couple of issues that are coming
1041
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.960
out in Arc two that's coming out right now.
1042
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.039
They're twelve issues or so out right now.
1043
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:27.079
Yeah, so we I think we just got out issues
1044
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.559
seven or eight. I think I just came out like
1045
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.599
a week ago, I think eight and so, uh yeah,
1046
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.239
so we've got the first like I said, the first
1047
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.480
five are collected as a graphic novel that's out now.
1048
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.960
So do let's do a by by two like they'll
1049
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.960
bundle them together. Do My Adventures with Superman and iHeart
1050
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.320
School Crasher promo together?
1051
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.000
Read them all together? Yeah? And then yeah right currently
1052
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.199
uh ARC two, the next like five issues are coming
1053
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.639
out now, so I think we're on issue eight uh
1054
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.239
and so uh and it's gonna it's gonna keep going
1055
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.079
for a little bit and there's some exciting stuff that
1056
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.800
I can't announce yet, but it'll be coming down the
1057
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.599
pipeline for it. So if you love My Adventure of
1058
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.320
the Superman, but you said, what if there are more
1059
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.480
gay women with giant mallets.
1060
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.000
That's exactly what I think about every show I'm watching.
1061
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:17.719
I'm like, they didn't need to be more gay women
1062
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.480
with mallets and that.
1063
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.559
Yeah, then pick up I Hurt skull Crushers.
1064
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.480
Okay, perfect, perfect, you read my mind. I think it's
1065
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.679
becoming very clear to me that I am a Josie
1066
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.199
Campbell fan. So if it's anything like these other products,
1067
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.639
I will absolutely be checking it out and adoring it. Well, Josie,
1068
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.280
this has been wonderful. Thank you so much as I've said,
1069
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.360
I have been a massive Superman fan my whole life,
1070
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.599
and in the past decade or so, i've felt, well,
1071
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.400
my whole life, i've felt protective, but particularly in the
1072
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.639
past decade or so, I've felt very very protective. When
1073
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.159
people ask me what should be done with Superman to
1074
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.639
make you happy, I would say they need to hire me,
1075
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.280
because I'm apparently the only one who knows what should
1076
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.239
be done. But now, between seeing what you and the
1077
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.239
team has done with my adventures with Superman, seeing what
1078
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:08.199
James is going to do with his Superman film, and
1079
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.039
then you know, Superman and Lois, I feel like I
1080
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.360
can finally rest easy and say, you know what, these
1081
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.199
people know what they're doing. I'm very very happy with
1082
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.800
what's being done. So thank you for that and for
1083
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.199
all the work you're doing. It sounds exhausting, but I'm
1084
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:24.039
so so happy.
1085
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:27.159
Yeah, yeah, no, of course, I'm just I'm extremely glad
1086
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.360
that basically we just found all the other Superman nerds
1087
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:31.639
who are like, but what if he's a nice man,
1088
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.199
and we're like, yes, which.
1089
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.079
Is weird because you would think that would be everyone
1090
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.280
who loves Superman and he's a nice guy.
1091
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.320
Yeah, and he's got superpowers and he kisses a beautiful
1092
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:47.159
woman like we love perfect, love it.
1093
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.880
It's wonderful. Well, you're doing a wonderful, wonderful job. Keep
1094
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.239
it up, and I love it, and I love all
1095
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.599
the other stuff you're doing, so thank you so much.
1096
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Keep doing it.