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Speaker 1: Five pitchers the New York Mets should trade for this offseason. The rotation is looking okay, but we definitely want to add better arms. Noam McLean's an ace. Let's get a second ace in this rotation.
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Speaker 1: I've got a, got a big list here, James, a couple of playoff guys too. I can't wait to talk about them.
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Speaker 2: Big list, few playoff guys.
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's just so many pitchers that could be on the move this offseason in general. I don't know how trades are going to work. If we're going to get trades, I think we're going to get a lot of them fast in November. So that's why we want to make some trade content now to get you guys ready for the offseason. I think the first guy I want to talk about, even just talk through if you think it's a good option, because I think he will be available. I feel awkward talking about this because we just watched the pitch. I think Drew Rasmussen is going to be available this offseason. He's in the exact spot in his career, in his value curve, where the Rays are. love to make a trade like this. Drew Rasmussen, coming off his third major arm surgery, has thrown 322 innings in the last two years. He's top 10 ERA. He's top five in whip. He's top 25 in strikeout minus walk rate. We watched him decimate the Yankees in the ALDS. We watched him have a good, not great start against the Guardians a few nights ago. He right now is hands down bona fide one of the 10 or 15 best.
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Speaker 2: Pitchers in baseball. Yeah, I think if you're going to Have him on a bad day. It's 15.
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Speaker 1: I think you catch him on a good day. He's a top 10 guy. Again, doesn't walk anybody. Doesn't give up hits. Doesn't give up home runs. Strikes plenty of people out. Has gone deeper into games this year than he has in the past. Again, I think the one thing that would ever deter you from Raz is that the arm injury stuff is absolutely insane. Like, the injuries are... for lack of a better term, fucking nuts. They're insane that he has had three major arm surgeries, elbow surgeries, not just arm, elbow surgeries. And the fact that he's this good, even with that, like, is that, is that Ray's devil magic? Are we going to see him get out of Tampa Bay? And it's going to be kind of like what we're hearing about Freddie Peralta stuff where it's like, Oh, the Mets don't know what to do with these guys.
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Speaker 2: The Ray's got the special sauce. Raz, too, is kind of like.
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Speaker 3: You probably heard this story back like a hundred years ago when you grew up on the prairie where it's like he's a miracle baby. His lungs didn't work when he was born. He was born a month and a half early, and now he's the best farmer we got. You can't even believe how strong he is. This is why, again, I wanted to lead with him because I think he's the buzziest name right now. I don't think I would trade for Drew Rasmussen right now.
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Speaker 2: It depends what the haul is. What do you think the haul would be? I think the haul would be.
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Speaker 3: It'd be larger than what you gave up for Freddie Peralta last year. Drew Rasmussen, well, maybe it's a little different because he... I think the world knows that the elbow is a horrifying subject right now, and he's set for a very large pay raise this year. He has a club option for next season, and of course, the Tampa Bay Rays will pick up for $ 20 million, which for the Tampa Bay Rays.
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Speaker 2: Is it really? Yes, he'd become back. I'm seeing $ 8 million. I think he'd hit some escalators. Okay, that'll do it. And I think that would make him... Oh, $ 20 million, he's gone. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Heading into next year, that would make him the highest paid player on their team.
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Speaker 2: And this is just something that... This is the exact spot where the Rays always make this move. Huge Rays. Rays, Rays.
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Speaker 3: Absolute top of his value curve. Again, heading into last season, we were like, wow, I really hope Drew Rasmussen, again, miracle baby, can get it together and live a comfortable life.
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Speaker 2: There's not many bigger Drew Razz fans than me and you. We've been on this guy for a minute. Love this guy. The JP FireEyes and Willie Adamas trade. We're like, oh, this guy's nasty.
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Speaker 1: He's been.
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Speaker 2: He's carried me to the Dynasty League championships. Same. Yeah, he's the best. It's just.
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Speaker 3: It's that fear of a guy who, again, you did the one-year deal thing with Freddy Peralta last year and it didn't work out very well. You were able to arbitrage and get your decent value back only because you sucked as a team. It'd be a scary proposition with the elbow the way it is with the big contract and the fact that, again, you're going to have to pay Aston for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are going to have to pay a little bit more. Again, not a problem for the Mets, but that definitely— Can I give a funny take? Yeah, sure. Give me.
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to pay like a terrible school trade package to get your ass.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, yeah. That's going to drive people insane. But it's true.
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Speaker 1: That's probably a similar package you're going to think of. You probably give them Jefferson Rojas.
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Speaker 2: You probably would. Or Mitch Voight. Yeah, probably. Maybe one of those two. Whichever one they prefer, I guess.
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Speaker 3: Again, maybe that's us overselling a little bit with a cost for one year of a pitcher who's due that much money and you're taking all the money on.
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Speaker 2: You can P-trade back like some of our best prospects.
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Speaker 3: They just gave us. That probably doesn't make sense, but... Yeah, you probably would have to give one of your best prospects to get him. That could be the one for one. I'm sure that the Rays don't kick in money, but I'm not sure if I would do that for one year of Drew Raz.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would either, especially because we know that the Mets have so many bigger problems, honestly, than starting pitching right now. It's just that you can never have too much starting pitching. Would love to have more of it.
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Speaker 2: Also, underrated. David Stern's trade history with the Tampa Bay Rays is pretty high.
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Speaker 3: He traded Drew Rasmussen to the Tampa Bay Rays for Willie Adamas, who helped the Brewers win a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of the games. As long as we don't get Willie Adamas, I'm happy. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: Maybe in the hither video he's going to be in there, because they would trade him to anybody right now.
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Speaker 2: For free. They'll pay him to get out of there.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's probably odd right now to hear that Drew Rasmussen's name is big time in trade conversations, but when you think about everything he's got here.
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Speaker 4: It's all.
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Speaker 1: Rays fans aren't here, so I feel okay saying it. I wouldn't say this on the wind-up right now. Enjoy your playoff run.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 3: You might win a World Series. You're very much in play. I think right now, well, it was before the game started. They were the odds-on favorite after the Bruiser. No, the Bruiser were the odds-on favorite, of course. I'm wrong about that.
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Speaker 2: But the Rays were right there. They have every chance to win a World Series, but this is the exact moment. They trade a guy like Rasmussen.
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Speaker 1: Can I talk about a guy who's the complete opposite of Drew Rasmussen? I think that this guy might have negative 1,000 dog, but the stuff is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of, I don't know if he can carry his staff per se, but he might not have to because we have Nolan McLean, who's one of the best pitchers in baseball. But Logan Gilbert, I think, is also going to be very, very available. It's one of him or George Kirby. I'm going to go with Logan Gilbert because I think he's the better pitcher right now. The stuff is insane. The pitch mix is awesome. The quality of everything is good. He just kind of doesn't put it together consistently over a full year.
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Speaker 2: But maybe he just needs to be in a new place. Get out of Seattle. It's depressing there.
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Speaker 3: He's done so much experimenting the last few years. He loved the knuckle curve when he came into the league.
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Speaker 2: Stetson guy, too. He's also a Stetson guy. That's a good point.
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Speaker 3: Came off that, then He always had the tight slider. He worked in now a new split and a sweeper. He likes to fastball again, but he just gets very inconsistent between starts with the way. But also this happens with a lot of these Seattle pitchers right now. Sequencing has become an issue for them over.
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Speaker 2: The last year. And again, it wasn't great for us this season either.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying we're immediately going to turn that around, but he's just a guy who it feels very clear that he has lots of good pitching ahead of him. Similar to Raz. He's a free agent in 2028. His arbitration last year was like 11 mil from the Mariners. And again, he's probably due to get the raise. similar near $ 20 million this year, which against that team, that's someone oftentimes this point in their value curve, they would look to trade because they're probably not going to resign to.
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Speaker 2: The monster deal. Trying to have some fun with splits. I would love to have fun with splits. Logan Gilbert, home and away splits this year.
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Speaker 1: He threw 76 innings on the road, 110 at home, 270 ERA on the road.
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Speaker 2: Four, four at home. James, does he make sense? How many home runs did he give up in 110 innings at home this year?
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Speaker 3: How many home runs he gave up in 110 innings at home? I mean, Definitely got a little bit of a home run repertoire.
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Speaker 2: 11.
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Speaker 1: 25.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: 25 home runs in 110 innings is truly unfathomable.
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Speaker 2: He gave up four on the road. What was going on in Seattle? That's weird, too, because Brian Wu had the opposite thing going on.
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Speaker 3: Remember this whole year? Brian Wu's insane splits home versus road. Seattle is one of the most offensive suppressing ballparks in baseball.
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Speaker 2: That's shocking to hear.
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Speaker 3: But this feels like that entire Mariners team core organization. There's just like a stench right now. And I'd be very in favor of just dragging anybody out of there.
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Speaker 2: If you possibly can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jerry DiPoto has to make some moves to save his job. Yeah, he seems like he just has a job for life there. And this is the move you make, but again, similarly, because I don't think they'd want a pitcher. You'd probably have to give up a high level. Maybe the Rays, I'm thinking now. The Rays seem like they'd love Santucci. That's like their Pepe over Snell. Could be.
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Speaker 2: That's that exact move right there, man. And change up?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Get him to go and change up? Oh, man. That'd be awesome.
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Speaker 3: They'd find lift on that fastball in that devil ballpark. But the Mariners would be the team that wants hitting prospects.
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Speaker 2: So, again, this is... Jefferson Rojas.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, Gilbert profiles incredibly similarly, actually, to exactly the Freddie Peralta situation last year. But just do much more money, which would make him cheaper, slightly cheaper in a trade.
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Speaker 1: And then also, this does kind of give out for the Mets' weird roster problem that they're going to have with Jefferson Rojas going into the lockout.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's something that's even part of their confidence. I hate that we're just throwing Jefferson Ross' name around because he's a good prospect.
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Speaker 2: You talked about it. One of your bold.
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Speaker 3: Things was that you think he could get moved. And I do think the Mets are going to look to move any of these guys. Yeah, but the Mariners are also such a weird team right now. It's like, do they need anything? They just kind of need a new ball player.
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Speaker 2: They need a new human. Yeah, they need new people. Yeah. Because the team still on paper is probably one of the best in the American League.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But again, thinking about what we gave up last year for Freddie and again, trying to pull back off a little bit of it. I think in the baseball world too, both Jet and Brandon Spro, they're very known to have down arrows as prospects where Rojas has like a flaming up arrow right now. I do wonder, I mean, a guy like Petra is a weird profile, but he probably just is a starter for the Mariners on opening day.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know, Cole Young played okay.
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Speaker 3: No, Cole Young played well. He's a good defensive player, but like you could just, who's even their third baseman right now?
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Speaker 2: Brandon Donovan. Oh, he's under contract another year? I believe so. He's just concussed. Yeah. They're losing a few guys. He is very concussed. They're losing a few guys in free agency, too. They seem to value guys that can move around.
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Speaker 3: Again, trying to think of an honest-to-God return package right now for our position player prospects.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of hard to figure one. They might like Gil Hill. Yeah, I don't think they're going to want a pitcher. They do their pitching. They're drafting.
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Speaker 3: And Kate Anderson is going to be in that rotation opening day next year. Ryan Sloan should be in that rotation opening day. If not opening day, it'll be sometime early on.
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Speaker 2: They've got to move one of these pitchers. They have to. They might move two. I think that Logan Gilbert's very high likelihood to get traded. I think that him... I want to lead with him and Rask. I think they're both... He could be a pod trade, too.
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Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Logan Gilbert could be a pod trade. Again, they have no prospects left to trade whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. Probably doesn't care. No, it doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I do wonder, though.
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Speaker 3: It seems like it's something that's very plausible. I wonder then, I hate saying this because he's a big fan, the Sammy Stefano flip.
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Speaker 2: Could be.
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Speaker 3: No, they didn't figure it out. They dropped Ty Pete. He's figuring it out with the Cardinals now.
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Speaker 2: Trying cashing on the Elian Pena helium? I feel like, I mean, would you do that one for one? I think I might. I think I'd consider it.
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Speaker 1: Just because there's still so much growth that needs for Elian Pena.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he feels like he'd be cheap to re-sign. Cheap-ish to re-sign.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you get the opportunity to either trade him if you suck again or offer him a qualifying offer. If you get him, I think he will be cheaper than what Freddy Peralta went for last year just because it's a similar idea and more money.
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Speaker 2: Fine. Kevin Parada. Who says no? Absolutely. Kevin Parada, Ryan Clifford. Yeah. Who says no?
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Speaker 2: Now, switch gears a little bit.
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Speaker 3: The next guy, now trying to get a little more wacky, Reed Detmers was available to trade deadline, allegedly. And then he went in the second half just ballistic.
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Speaker 1: And I do think that one of the reasons why I'm not sure if he'll get traded is because now the Angels' new ownership seems like what they did in the second half, getting rid of Mike Maddox. Their pitching went completely, got way better. They started playing better baseball. I still don't think they're a good team by any means. I still think they are super, super far away from being good.
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Speaker 2: But.
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Speaker 1: Reed Demers is a kind of guy where if the angels really believe in what they're doing now, you might want to hold onto him just a little bit longer before you get rid of them. There's, there's always the risk when you make that decision to not train someone in the off season.
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Speaker 2: But I think right now for what the angels.
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Speaker 1: Are doing, the juice might be worth more than the squeeze.
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Speaker 3: If you were to do it in the off season, it's definitely possible. The, the Reed Demers trajectory right now feels like what Mackenzie Gore's trajectory was supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But, Detmers hasn't had the same level of consistency of workload in the last few years that Gore actually has had. Gore turned himself into a horse. He's like, he's not a good, it's not a good horse. Like he's running, he's running a three o'clock race and he's coming in fourth, but he's, he is a horse at this point where Detmers got back in the rotation this year and was wall to wall outrageously good. And it's mostly just as a fastball slider lefty. And again, the changeup mixed in at times it was firmer at times it was not sometimes the command wavered, but he, Reed Demers this year turned himself into a dude. Like, I think Reed Demers has a future of being a potential SP2 in this league.
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Speaker 2: I could be an SP2. I could see, like, a Max Freed career. He throws harder than.
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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't throw harder than Freed. I mean, Freed just had such... The benders. Where Demers has the better... He has a much better fastball shape. And that's a bender coming out of college. Yeah, but it's a fine curveball. But Demers just rolls with that tither slider. Where Freed's got the benders.
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Speaker 2: Like, I.
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Speaker 3: Archetype-wise, in terms of what we want, the Devers are already 27 years old, which is kind of funny.
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Speaker 2: Freed was a young breakout. Yes.
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Speaker 3: But he, to me, again, looks like someone that could be a monster. And the way this Angels team is right now, I'm sure they just want depth, bodies, humans.
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Speaker 2: Give us a recent first-round pick, and let's figure out the rest.
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Speaker 1: That's a team who would definitely probably not be too picky, probably.
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Speaker 2: Just want a lot. Yeah, just bodies, bodies, bodies. Actually, I love the Gore comp.
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Speaker 1: Like, give us four guys that are fringe top 100, and we hope that, like, four guys that could be.
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Speaker 2: Eventually one day top 100 prospects. That's actually what it is.
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Speaker 3: And one that might be arguably top 100 right now, like Devin Fitzgerald was, which could be a Gavin Fien.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gavin Fien. Yeah, Gavin Fien.
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Speaker 3: Again, former first-round pick, a profile like someone who could be close to being a top 100.
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Speaker 2: All right, Colin Houck.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, mix of, again, mix of Pena, Voight, Stafora. You get two of those guys, two up-the-middle guys, and then we fill in the cracks otherwise. Some interesting pitchers. Again, you mentioned Gary Gilhill before. I think there's something to this one.
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Speaker 1: I also think that, talking about a lefty, that would be way more of a flyer. We're like, Demers, I feel like, will be pretty good. The one that we're... Also, I'd love to see Reed Demers with good defense behind him, ever, in his career. It'd be really cool to see. Because the Angels, that's one thing they definitely don't do, is play good defense.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'd also love to see this guy.
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Speaker 1: good defense, and out of the certain ballpark that he's in, new voices, Nick Lodolo's got to work at some point. Like, Nick Lodolo, at some point in his professional baseball career, is going to have a season where he has an ERA that starts with a 2. There's no doubt in my mind. I don't know when, I don't know how, I don't know who with, but there will be at least one season where it happens because the stuff is so ridiculously good. I mean, literally, we're one season removed from him giving almost 30 starts.
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Speaker 2: With a 3.3 ERA. Close.
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Speaker 3: In 2025, he was an ascendant ace, and this year was such a catastrophe. He has now taken, I think it's five trips to the injured list in his career with blisters.
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Speaker 1: Can we come up with a putty for the fingers, or wear the finger condoms that happen when you cut your finger in the kitchen? It's so weird, and he is so funky in how side army he is, and how east and west he is, and how he makes you decide between the fastball and the sinker and the changeup, and then you break the curveball off that. I think us as Mets fans have a beautifully rosy glow on Nicola Dolo because we've seen him decimate us a handful of times. We finally got to him this year as things were completely catastrophe, but he feels like such a picture perfect by low right now. He has one year left on his contract again with the Reds would be like, fine, let's just get rid of him, get rid of him for basically anything. And again, like you said, it seems clear that the stuff is good enough. The command has not been, but like the stuff is good enough to where he will work out one day. And I'd love to give him the chance to.
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Speaker 3: Do in our organization kind of start to like where he's at and see if you can kind of drag him in for an extension worst case scenario qualifying offer and like you said he's not going to cost much because you can't really go into next season relying on nicola dolo to be like your three you want nicola dolo to be your five on opening day then you're like holy shit our five turned into a three is that like you give you give him someone like fun like you even just like try and flip aiden smith be like you you have no outfielders go go take this guy who hits the ball hard and runs for days Maybe. I mean, the Reds, it's hard to get a read on them because they didn't sell at this deadline. We don't even have a sense like some of these other teams of what they would want. Like, I know for sure the Angels are going to want volume. They're going to want to build up for the next era. We know for a really good sense that the Mariners want near Major League.
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Speaker 2: Ready prospect talent. Retool, not a rebuild.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know the Rays are going to want guys who, again, they just they see something they're going to fix and they'll be in the Major Leagues.
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Speaker 2: Probably in a year-ish, year or two. I don't know any, I have no bearing at all that the Reds are going to watch Nick Lodolo.
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Speaker 1: It's a team that chose to trade for Key Brian Hayes.
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Speaker 2: Was Sammy Safur in the Key Brian Hayes trade, by the way? Is that something I'm remembering? I think he was, right? Does that, that feels right. I'm going to look it up now. I'm going to look it up now. You want to talk about the next guy while I look this up?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's even worth giving a little bit more talk on Lodolo, because again, we're one year removed from when he was a guy who struck out 24% of batters. He got his walk rate down to under 5%, lowest in his career. Very much earned that 3.3 ERA in that crazy-ass ballpark.
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Speaker 2: What do you got? I'm typing it. Oh, you're still typing it? I thought you had it. I'm still typing it. No, no, no. You may look like you had it. I thought I froze.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this year, again, with the blisters bothering him, it felt like that made him much less sure of the curveball.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that trade.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Reds said, give us money and we'll give you Sammy Stafura, which one of the all-time worst trades. Doesn't really matter if any of the players that the Reds gave up were good. You're paying Brian Hayes' U.S.
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Speaker 2: Currency.
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Speaker 3: No, it was completely unfathomable. But again, just seeing where Lodolo was very, very recently until those fucking blisters popped up again. I get so mad with him with the blisters because they always seem to destroy when he's at his best. He's like the picture-perfect by-low this offseason.
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Speaker 2: He kind of reminds me a little bit.
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Speaker 3: And this guy, he has a better track record than this guy where the Yankees did for Ryan Weathers last year.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that was just a perfect move for them. They didn't really give up a ton to get him. It was a volume package of... A bunch of non-impact guys, but good to have when you have a farm system like the Yankees where you have high volume of get-off-the-bus guys.
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Speaker 2: Here's some exit velocities. You want these guys? Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 3: He's a bunch of fourth outfielders for the future. You could probably do something like that for Lodolo. And Weathers even had team control, so it's probably not even a great comp there. But it seems like such a layup that he's going to be good again.
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Speaker 1: The one that I think I probably have the least confidence in... is going to be Tyler Glass now, but he's probably going to be on the move, it seems like.
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Speaker 2: So available. Dodgers have a million pitchers.
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Speaker 1: They also may not trade him because they don't have to because they can do whatever they want, and there's no reason. They'll put him on the shelf until August again. It doesn't really matter how they care about their roster at all because they'll just do whatever they want. But this is the most tradable Tyler Glasnow has been since he's been traded. It's the most tradable he's been since he didn't know how to pitch yet when he was with the Pirates 10 years ago. But I feel like the Dodgers, after this offseason, we'll see what winds up happening with them. Recording this as they're down 0-2 to the Brewers.
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Speaker 3: And they look old and slow. But Glasnow, with the last year of his deal coming up this year, he's going to be due $ 32 million.
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Speaker 1: And we know that the Dodgers owner has no money. Well, he has other people's money. He has other people's money. So Glasnow's money is actually really more like $ 60- ish million, I believe, with all the tax.
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Speaker 3: And he has a $ 30 million club option in 2028. Can you believe Tyler Glasnow is turning 33 years old? How old that makes me feel?
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Speaker 2: It's insane.
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Speaker 1: Also, every time I see him, I know he's a huge human being, but then I see his list and I'm like, I mean, he's just blessed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's on, it's on.
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Speaker 3: But again, with that over $ 30 million price tag and that club option and all of the options that Dodgers have at pitchers, Behind him, again, Tarek Skubal notwithstanding. This entire video is done with the air of, like, we still absolutely want the best side of Tarek Skubal.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's 1-1.
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Speaker 3: That's opportunity number one. If that happens, we'll probably be shopping more like the Lodolos. Probably not even the Detmers.
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Speaker 2: At that point. I'd love to see Skubal and Lodolo next to each other. Have a conversation. Talk a little pitchy. Just talk. Oh, my God. Skubal will be like, hey, you want to start eating? And Lodolo will be like, me? Hey, Nick, what do you have for second dinner? Second dinner.
00:21:29
Speaker 1: Cheerios.
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Speaker 2: Second dinner. I don't do second dinner. Slim Jims.
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Speaker 3: It feels like the Dodgers, with just how many options they have internally, they're going to really try this offseason to dump one of Glasnow.
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Speaker 2: Or Teoscar, if not both, if they can.
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Speaker 3: And when Glasnow's on the mound, he's still disgustingly good.
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Speaker 2: Insane.
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Speaker 3: The last two years, he's combined for 165 innings. It's still been one of the most effective pitchers in all of baseball. It's just he's only combined for 165 innings.
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Speaker 2: That would be the worry. Guess Tyler Glassnow's career high in any speech. 102. 134.
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Speaker 3: That's higher, okay. He's got three seasons over 102. He has a 111 in 2018. That's almost a decade ago. We were in college. A 120 in 2023, that last year with the Rays, before they flipped him. So that was the Pepeo. Pepeo was Glassnow.
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Speaker 2: Who was Snell? Snell was different. Snell was a free agent. Yeah, Snell was a free agent. Dodged it.
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Speaker 3: But that original trade, he went to the Padres, right? Yeah, he went to the Padres from the Rays.
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Good for him. Patino. Luis Patino. Is Patino around? The Rays miss. The Rays miss. Can we bring Patino in for one more workout? I won't quit on him. But I've seen him throw. He's got nothing left.
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Speaker 3: It's a fucking shame. 2024 was Glassnow's year. He actually stayed healthy. He pitched great. He's incredible when he's on the mound. And ironically, the Mets actually have pitching depth now to insulate themselves for the missed half season by Tyler Glassnow.
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Speaker 2: And if you can get.
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Speaker 3: Him healthy for the right time, like he can. I mean, these could be famous last words. He could be blowing the series for the Dodgers as you guys listen to this. He still has it in him to be a playoff ace. Like, his stuff is still completely all there. And you probably will not have to trade much to get him. You might be able to match a bad salary and get Tyler Glass now. You want to flip-flop Kodesanga and Tyler Glass now? And we'll give you a little something extra?
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Speaker 2: A heartbeat. In a heartbeat. No matter what.
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Speaker 3: That's probably something that's legitimately on the table. You want to do Sean Minaya? You guys save 10 mil and we'll throw you a prospect? And Minaya will get huge ass for them in the playoffs next year.
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Speaker 2: Guaranteed. He'll be so good.
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Speaker 3: But, like, I think the best way to describe Tyler Glass now in his career is that there was a start earlier this season. I think it was around May, because that's when Tyler Glass was still healthy. He became the fastest pitcher in the history of baseball based on innings pitched to reach 1,000 strikeouts.
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Speaker 2: Nice moment.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they stopped the game for him. I think they recognized, took the ball out.
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Speaker 2: He came out to warm up.
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Speaker 3: That was in the first inning. He came out to warm up in the second inning. He reached to his back, and he missed three months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane.
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Speaker 3: It's just exactly who he is. But when you make that trade, there's awareness of that's who he is. And with that salary... you could probably steal Tyler Glass now for very little. And if you get the miracle Tyler Glass now contract to your season, who knows if that actually happens?
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Speaker 2: Then you're like, I could win you a World Series. He could win a Cy Young.
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Speaker 3: This is the classic, eyes are too big right now, bigger than our stomach. But that's the kind of move that you make when you're confident in the pitching depth that you've accumulated as an organization. You can kind of take a risky shot like this.
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Speaker 1: James, I just got a text. We got a bonus six pitcher. Tyler McGill just texted you up.
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Speaker 2: Stop.
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Speaker 4: No way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just texted you up because the sixth and bonus pitcher we're going to talk about is Trevor McGill. Probably it's moved this offseason.
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Speaker 2: It's the Devin Williams year. Of course he's getting moved.
00:24:31
Speaker 1: It's the Devin Williams year. It's his final year. And they have Abner Ribe, who is... There's a world he could be better, which is saying a lot because Trevor McGill is unbelievable. One of the best closers in all of baseball. But I feel like this could be a really good pickup for the Mets.
00:24:47
Speaker 3: I think Trevor McGill is like... 90% chance getting traded. Again, we wanted to give this list because almost every guy that we listed, I think there's over an 80% chance, besides Detmers, that they get moved.
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Speaker 2: Yes, agreed.
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Speaker 3: And McGill's, again, last year of his contract, he got.
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Speaker 2: About $ 5 million in ARB last year. That probably bumps.
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Speaker 3: I would love to see the baseball trade rumors estimation on him. But I'm thinking like $ 8 million. And the Brewers are just not going to pay a reliever $ 8 million. You mentioned Abney Uribe being the guy who can step in.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Ashby.
00:25:12
Speaker 3: If 10 guys, that could be elite relievers next year. We just watched them go five perfect innings against the Dodgers in the playoff game with that bullpen.
00:25:18
Speaker 4: Like, they.
00:25:19
Speaker 2: They shit relievers. And then they pump about the next time, too. It does not matter. They will never stop producing relievers. He's going to get moved. He's definitely going to get moved.
00:25:27
Speaker 3: And he's absolutely one of the best closers in baseball. Especially intimidation factor, which I think is a little underrated for closers in this era.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: Trevor McGill is horrifying.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say is, I think there's a world where, like, I don't know, you think Bednar would come to the Mets?
00:25:41
Speaker 2: I think Bednar would come to the Mets. I mean, I don't know how much the Bednars have loved New York. I think the Bednars would love to go back to Pittsburgh. That's fair. And Unfortunately, Mason Montgomery is there. Yeah, right? I mean, hey, let's talk about a one-two punch. And Luke Weaver, one-two-three.
00:25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mets are going to need to do a lot of work on this bullpen. I wonder how much money they're willing to spend because they're paying Luke Weaver $ 5 million to play against them. Devin Williams is still making $ 12 million or $ 13 million this year. It would be funny having Trevor McGill and Devin Williams in the same bullpen.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: That would be funny.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: That would be kind of hilarious. But Trevor McGill, especially also 32 years old, the Brewers are going to be like, please, give us an asset. The guy throws 100. The curveball's insane. Like, the command is usually really good.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: Attacks. He's so... He's a force. He's a... He's his brother, bitch. They're huge humans. I think Trevor's taller. He's like 6'8, 250. Massive family.
00:26:26
Speaker 3: Maybe it'd be nice for Tyler, the big drip, to get his much more, you know, like.
00:26:30
Speaker 2: Give him some noogies.
00:26:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, we've heard from Tyler... Ruffle up a little bit. We've heard from Tyler that, like, Trevor is kind of like the roughhousing brother, and Tyler's like, okay, here I come.
00:26:38
Speaker 2: He's a big drip, and he's called that because he's a drip. Yeah, but... The Mets are going to be creative for relievers. We want to keep this to starting pitchers. It's kind of even hard to look at the rosters right now, but which relievers are actually getting moved? Yeah, it's hard to talk about the Mets, honestly, right now.
00:26:52
Speaker 3: So much good baseball happening right now. Again, if you guys want to listen to baseball talks, playoff talk, check us out on The Windup. We're coming out with reaction videos a few times a week for all of these games. Right away, morning after the game.
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Speaker 1: Five pitchers the New York Mets should trade for this offseason. The rotation is looking okay, but we definitely want to add better arms. Noam McLean's an ace. Let's get a second ace in this rotation.
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Speaker 1: I've got a, got a big list here, James, a couple of playoff guys too. I can't wait to talk about them.
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Speaker 2: Big list, few playoff guys.
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's just so many pitchers that could be on the move this offseason in general. I don't know how trades are going to work. If we're going to get trades, I think we're going to get a lot of them fast in November. So that's why we want to make some trade content now to get you guys ready for the offseason. I think the first guy I want to talk about, even just talk through if you think it's a good option, because I think he will be available. I feel awkward talking about this because we just watched the pitch. I think Drew Rasmussen is going to be available this offseason. He's in the exact spot in his career, in his value curve, where the Rays are. love to make a trade like this. Drew Rasmussen, coming off his third major arm surgery, has thrown 322 innings in the last two years. He's top 10 ERA. He's top five in whip. He's top 25 in strikeout minus walk rate. We watched him decimate the Yankees in the ALDS. We watched him have a good, not great start against the Guardians a few nights ago. He right now is hands down bona fide one of the 10 or 15 best.
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Speaker 2: Pitchers in baseball. Yeah, I think if you're going to Have him on a bad day. It's 15.
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Speaker 1: I think you catch him on a good day. He's a top 10 guy. Again, doesn't walk anybody. Doesn't give up hits. Doesn't give up home runs. Strikes plenty of people out. Has gone deeper into games this year than he has in the past. Again, I think the one thing that would ever deter you from Raz is that the arm injury stuff is absolutely insane. Like, the injuries are... for lack of a better term, fucking nuts. They're insane that he has had three major arm surgeries, elbow surgeries, not just arm, elbow surgeries. And the fact that he's this good, even with that, like, is that, is that Ray's devil magic? Are we going to see him get out of Tampa Bay? And it's going to be kind of like what we're hearing about Freddie Peralta stuff where it's like, Oh, the Mets don't know what to do with these guys.
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Speaker 2: The Ray's got the special sauce. Raz, too, is kind of like.
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Speaker 3: You probably heard this story back like a hundred years ago when you grew up on the prairie where it's like he's a miracle baby. His lungs didn't work when he was born. He was born a month and a half early, and now he's the best farmer we got. You can't even believe how strong he is. This is why, again, I wanted to lead with him because I think he's the buzziest name right now. I don't think I would trade for Drew Rasmussen right now.
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Speaker 2: It depends what the haul is. What do you think the haul would be? I think the haul would be.
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Speaker 3: It'd be larger than what you gave up for Freddie Peralta last year. Drew Rasmussen, well, maybe it's a little different because he... I think the world knows that the elbow is a horrifying subject right now, and he's set for a very large pay raise this year. He has a club option for next season, and of course, the Tampa Bay Rays will pick up for $ 20 million, which for the Tampa Bay Rays.
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Speaker 2: Is it really? Yes, he'd become back. I'm seeing $ 8 million. I think he'd hit some escalators. Okay, that'll do it. And I think that would make him... Oh, $ 20 million, he's gone. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Heading into next year, that would make him the highest paid player on their team.
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Speaker 2: And this is just something that... This is the exact spot where the Rays always make this move. Huge Rays. Rays, Rays.
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Speaker 3: Absolute top of his value curve. Again, heading into last season, we were like, wow, I really hope Drew Rasmussen, again, miracle baby, can get it together and live a comfortable life.
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Speaker 2: There's not many bigger Drew Razz fans than me and you. We've been on this guy for a minute. Love this guy. The JP FireEyes and Willie Adamas trade. We're like, oh, this guy's nasty.
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Speaker 1: He's been.
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Speaker 2: He's carried me to the Dynasty League championships. Same. Yeah, he's the best. It's just.
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Speaker 3: It's that fear of a guy who, again, you did the one-year deal thing with Freddy Peralta last year and it didn't work out very well. You were able to arbitrage and get your decent value back only because you sucked as a team. It'd be a scary proposition with the elbow the way it is with the big contract and the fact that, again, you're going to have to pay Aston for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are going to have to pay a little bit more. Again, not a problem for the Mets, but that definitely— Can I give a funny take? Yeah, sure. Give me.
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to pay like a terrible school trade package to get your ass.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, yeah. That's going to drive people insane. But it's true.
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Speaker 1: That's probably a similar package you're going to think of. You probably give them Jefferson Rojas.
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Speaker 2: You probably would. Or Mitch Voight. Yeah, probably. Maybe one of those two. Whichever one they prefer, I guess.
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Speaker 3: Again, maybe that's us overselling a little bit with a cost for one year of a pitcher who's due that much money and you're taking all the money on.
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Speaker 2: You can P-trade back like some of our best prospects.
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Speaker 3: They just gave us. That probably doesn't make sense, but... Yeah, you probably would have to give one of your best prospects to get him. That could be the one for one. I'm sure that the Rays don't kick in money, but I'm not sure if I would do that for one year of Drew Raz.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would either, especially because we know that the Mets have so many bigger problems, honestly, than starting pitching right now. It's just that you can never have too much starting pitching. Would love to have more of it.
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Speaker 2: Also, underrated. David Stern's trade history with the Tampa Bay Rays is pretty high.
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Speaker 3: He traded Drew Rasmussen to the Tampa Bay Rays for Willie Adamas, who helped the Brewers win a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of the games. As long as we don't get Willie Adamas, I'm happy. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: Maybe in the hither video he's going to be in there, because they would trade him to anybody right now.
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Speaker 2: For free. They'll pay him to get out of there.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's probably odd right now to hear that Drew Rasmussen's name is big time in trade conversations, but when you think about everything he's got here.
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Speaker 4: It's all.
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Speaker 1: Rays fans aren't here, so I feel okay saying it. I wouldn't say this on the wind-up right now. Enjoy your playoff run.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 3: You might win a World Series. You're very much in play. I think right now, well, it was before the game started. They were the odds-on favorite after the Bruiser. No, the Bruiser were the odds-on favorite, of course. I'm wrong about that.
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Speaker 2: But the Rays were right there. They have every chance to win a World Series, but this is the exact moment. They trade a guy like Rasmussen.
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Speaker 1: Can I talk about a guy who's the complete opposite of Drew Rasmussen? I think that this guy might have negative 1,000 dog, but the stuff is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of, I don't know if he can carry his staff per se, but he might not have to because we have Nolan McLean, who's one of the best pitchers in baseball. But Logan Gilbert, I think, is also going to be very, very available. It's one of him or George Kirby. I'm going to go with Logan Gilbert because I think he's the better pitcher right now. The stuff is insane. The pitch mix is awesome. The quality of everything is good. He just kind of doesn't put it together consistently over a full year.
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Speaker 2: But maybe he just needs to be in a new place. Get out of Seattle. It's depressing there.
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Speaker 3: He's done so much experimenting the last few years. He loved the knuckle curve when he came into the league.
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Speaker 2: Stetson guy, too. He's also a Stetson guy. That's a good point.
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Speaker 3: Came off that, then He always had the tight slider. He worked in now a new split and a sweeper. He likes to fastball again, but he just gets very inconsistent between starts with the way. But also this happens with a lot of these Seattle pitchers right now. Sequencing has become an issue for them over.
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Speaker 2: The last year. And again, it wasn't great for us this season either.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying we're immediately going to turn that around, but he's just a guy who it feels very clear that he has lots of good pitching ahead of him. Similar to Raz. He's a free agent in 2028. His arbitration last year was like 11 mil from the Mariners. And again, he's probably due to get the raise. similar near $ 20 million this year, which against that team, that's someone oftentimes this point in their value curve, they would look to trade because they're probably not going to resign to.
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Speaker 2: The monster deal. Trying to have some fun with splits. I would love to have fun with splits. Logan Gilbert, home and away splits this year.
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Speaker 1: He threw 76 innings on the road, 110 at home, 270 ERA on the road.
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Speaker 2: Four, four at home. James, does he make sense? How many home runs did he give up in 110 innings at home this year?
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Speaker 3: How many home runs he gave up in 110 innings at home? I mean, Definitely got a little bit of a home run repertoire.
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Speaker 2: 11.
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Speaker 1: 25.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: 25 home runs in 110 innings is truly unfathomable.
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Speaker 2: He gave up four on the road. What was going on in Seattle? That's weird, too, because Brian Wu had the opposite thing going on.
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Speaker 3: Remember this whole year? Brian Wu's insane splits home versus road. Seattle is one of the most offensive suppressing ballparks in baseball.
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Speaker 2: That's shocking to hear.
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Speaker 3: But this feels like that entire Mariners team core organization. There's just like a stench right now. And I'd be very in favor of just dragging anybody out of there.
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Speaker 2: If you possibly can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jerry DiPoto has to make some moves to save his job. Yeah, he seems like he just has a job for life there. And this is the move you make, but again, similarly, because I don't think they'd want a pitcher. You'd probably have to give up a high level. Maybe the Rays, I'm thinking now. The Rays seem like they'd love Santucci. That's like their Pepe over Snell. Could be.
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Speaker 2: That's that exact move right there, man. And change up?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Get him to go and change up? Oh, man. That'd be awesome.
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Speaker 3: They'd find lift on that fastball in that devil ballpark. But the Mariners would be the team that wants hitting prospects.
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Speaker 2: So, again, this is... Jefferson Rojas.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, Gilbert profiles incredibly similarly, actually, to exactly the Freddie Peralta situation last year. But just do much more money, which would make him cheaper, slightly cheaper in a trade.
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Speaker 1: And then also, this does kind of give out for the Mets' weird roster problem that they're going to have with Jefferson Rojas going into the lockout.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's something that's even part of their confidence. I hate that we're just throwing Jefferson Ross' name around because he's a good prospect.
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Speaker 2: You talked about it. One of your bold.
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Speaker 3: Things was that you think he could get moved. And I do think the Mets are going to look to move any of these guys. Yeah, but the Mariners are also such a weird team right now. It's like, do they need anything? They just kind of need a new ball player.
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Speaker 2: They need a new human. Yeah, they need new people. Yeah. Because the team still on paper is probably one of the best in the American League.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But again, thinking about what we gave up last year for Freddie and again, trying to pull back off a little bit of it. I think in the baseball world too, both Jet and Brandon Spro, they're very known to have down arrows as prospects where Rojas has like a flaming up arrow right now. I do wonder, I mean, a guy like Petra is a weird profile, but he probably just is a starter for the Mariners on opening day.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know, Cole Young played okay.
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Speaker 3: No, Cole Young played well. He's a good defensive player, but like you could just, who's even their third baseman right now?
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Speaker 2: Brandon Donovan. Oh, he's under contract another year? I believe so. He's just concussed. Yeah. They're losing a few guys. He is very concussed. They're losing a few guys in free agency, too. They seem to value guys that can move around.
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Speaker 3: Again, trying to think of an honest-to-God return package right now for our position player prospects.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of hard to figure one. They might like Gil Hill. Yeah, I don't think they're going to want a pitcher. They do their pitching. They're drafting.
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Speaker 3: And Kate Anderson is going to be in that rotation opening day next year. Ryan Sloan should be in that rotation opening day. If not opening day, it'll be sometime early on.
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Speaker 2: They've got to move one of these pitchers. They have to. They might move two. I think that Logan Gilbert's very high likelihood to get traded. I think that him... I want to lead with him and Rask. I think they're both... He could be a pod trade, too.
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Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Logan Gilbert could be a pod trade. Again, they have no prospects left to trade whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. Probably doesn't care. No, it doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I do wonder, though.
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Speaker 3: It seems like it's something that's very plausible. I wonder then, I hate saying this because he's a big fan, the Sammy Stefano flip.
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Speaker 2: Could be.
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Speaker 3: No, they didn't figure it out. They dropped Ty Pete. He's figuring it out with the Cardinals now.
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Speaker 2: Trying cashing on the Elian Pena helium? I feel like, I mean, would you do that one for one? I think I might. I think I'd consider it.
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Speaker 1: Just because there's still so much growth that needs for Elian Pena.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he feels like he'd be cheap to re-sign. Cheap-ish to re-sign.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you get the opportunity to either trade him if you suck again or offer him a qualifying offer. If you get him, I think he will be cheaper than what Freddy Peralta went for last year just because it's a similar idea and more money.
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Speaker 2: Fine. Kevin Parada. Who says no? Absolutely. Kevin Parada, Ryan Clifford. Yeah. Who says no?
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00:12:32
Speaker 2: Now, switch gears a little bit.
00:12:33
Speaker 3: The next guy, now trying to get a little more wacky, Reed Detmers was available to trade deadline, allegedly. And then he went in the second half just ballistic.
00:12:43
Speaker 1: And I do think that one of the reasons why I'm not sure if he'll get traded is because now the Angels' new ownership seems like what they did in the second half, getting rid of Mike Maddox. Their pitching went completely, got way better. They started playing better baseball. I still don't think they're a good team by any means. I still think they are super, super far away from being good.
00:13:03
Speaker 2: But.
00:13:04
Speaker 1: Reed Demers is a kind of guy where if the angels really believe in what they're doing now, you might want to hold onto him just a little bit longer before you get rid of them. There's, there's always the risk when you make that decision to not train someone in the off season.
00:13:18
Speaker 2: But I think right now for what the angels.
00:13:19
Speaker 1: Are doing, the juice might be worth more than the squeeze.
00:13:23
Speaker 3: If you were to do it in the off season, it's definitely possible. The, the Reed Demers trajectory right now feels like what Mackenzie Gore's trajectory was supposed to be.
00:13:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:13:31
Speaker 3: But, Detmers hasn't had the same level of consistency of workload in the last few years that Gore actually has had. Gore turned himself into a horse. He's like, he's not a good, it's not a good horse. Like he's running, he's running a three o'clock race and he's coming in fourth, but he's, he is a horse at this point where Detmers got back in the rotation this year and was wall to wall outrageously good. And it's mostly just as a fastball slider lefty. And again, the changeup mixed in at times it was firmer at times it was not sometimes the command wavered, but he, Reed Demers this year turned himself into a dude. Like, I think Reed Demers has a future of being a potential SP2 in this league.
00:14:02
Speaker 2: I could be an SP2. I could see, like, a Max Freed career. He throws harder than.
00:14:07
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't throw harder than Freed. I mean, Freed just had such... The benders. Where Demers has the better... He has a much better fastball shape. And that's a bender coming out of college. Yeah, but it's a fine curveball. But Demers just rolls with that tither slider. Where Freed's got the benders.
00:14:22
Speaker 2: Like, I.
00:14:23
Speaker 3: Archetype-wise, in terms of what we want, the Devers are already 27 years old, which is kind of funny.
00:14:27
Speaker 2: Freed was a young breakout. Yes.
00:14:29
Speaker 3: But he, to me, again, looks like someone that could be a monster. And the way this Angels team is right now, I'm sure they just want depth, bodies, humans.
00:14:39
Speaker 2: Give us a recent first-round pick, and let's figure out the rest.
00:14:43
Speaker 1: That's a team who would definitely probably not be too picky, probably.
00:14:46
Speaker 2: Just want a lot. Yeah, just bodies, bodies, bodies. Actually, I love the Gore comp.
00:14:51
Speaker 1: Like, give us four guys that are fringe top 100, and we hope that, like, four guys that could be.
00:14:57
Speaker 2: Eventually one day top 100 prospects. That's actually what it is.
00:14:59
Speaker 3: And one that might be arguably top 100 right now, like Devin Fitzgerald was, which could be a Gavin Fien.
00:15:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gavin Fien. Yeah, Gavin Fien.
00:15:06
Speaker 3: Again, former first-round pick, a profile like someone who could be close to being a top 100.
00:15:10
Speaker 2: All right, Colin Houck.
00:15:12
Speaker 3: So, yeah, mix of, again, mix of Pena, Voight, Stafora. You get two of those guys, two up-the-middle guys, and then we fill in the cracks otherwise. Some interesting pitchers. Again, you mentioned Gary Gilhill before. I think there's something to this one.
00:15:29
Speaker 1: I also think that, talking about a lefty, that would be way more of a flyer. We're like, Demers, I feel like, will be pretty good. The one that we're... Also, I'd love to see Reed Demers with good defense behind him, ever, in his career. It'd be really cool to see. Because the Angels, that's one thing they definitely don't do, is play good defense.
00:15:43
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'd also love to see this guy.
00:15:45
Speaker 1: good defense, and out of the certain ballpark that he's in, new voices, Nick Lodolo's got to work at some point. Like, Nick Lodolo, at some point in his professional baseball career, is going to have a season where he has an ERA that starts with a 2. There's no doubt in my mind. I don't know when, I don't know how, I don't know who with, but there will be at least one season where it happens because the stuff is so ridiculously good. I mean, literally, we're one season removed from him giving almost 30 starts.
00:16:13
Speaker 2: With a 3.3 ERA. Close.
00:16:16
Speaker 3: In 2025, he was an ascendant ace, and this year was such a catastrophe. He has now taken, I think it's five trips to the injured list in his career with blisters.
00:16:24
Speaker 1: Can we come up with a putty for the fingers, or wear the finger condoms that happen when you cut your finger in the kitchen? It's so weird, and he is so funky in how side army he is, and how east and west he is, and how he makes you decide between the fastball and the sinker and the changeup, and then you break the curveball off that. I think us as Mets fans have a beautifully rosy glow on Nicola Dolo because we've seen him decimate us a handful of times. We finally got to him this year as things were completely catastrophe, but he feels like such a picture perfect by low right now. He has one year left on his contract again with the Reds would be like, fine, let's just get rid of him, get rid of him for basically anything. And again, like you said, it seems clear that the stuff is good enough. The command has not been, but like the stuff is good enough to where he will work out one day. And I'd love to give him the chance to.
00:17:10
Speaker 3: Do in our organization kind of start to like where he's at and see if you can kind of drag him in for an extension worst case scenario qualifying offer and like you said he's not going to cost much because you can't really go into next season relying on nicola dolo to be like your three you want nicola dolo to be your five on opening day then you're like holy shit our five turned into a three is that like you give you give him someone like fun like you even just like try and flip aiden smith be like you you have no outfielders go go take this guy who hits the ball hard and runs for days Maybe. I mean, the Reds, it's hard to get a read on them because they didn't sell at this deadline. We don't even have a sense like some of these other teams of what they would want. Like, I know for sure the Angels are going to want volume. They're going to want to build up for the next era. We know for a really good sense that the Mariners want near Major League.
00:17:53
Speaker 2: Ready prospect talent. Retool, not a rebuild.
00:17:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know the Rays are going to want guys who, again, they just they see something they're going to fix and they'll be in the Major Leagues.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: Probably in a year-ish, year or two. I don't know any, I have no bearing at all that the Reds are going to watch Nick Lodolo.
00:18:06
Speaker 1: It's a team that chose to trade for Key Brian Hayes.
00:18:10
Speaker 2: Was Sammy Safur in the Key Brian Hayes trade, by the way? Is that something I'm remembering? I think he was, right? Does that, that feels right. I'm going to look it up now. I'm going to look it up now. You want to talk about the next guy while I look this up?
00:18:21
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's even worth giving a little bit more talk on Lodolo, because again, we're one year removed from when he was a guy who struck out 24% of batters. He got his walk rate down to under 5%, lowest in his career. Very much earned that 3.3 ERA in that crazy-ass ballpark.
00:18:34
Speaker 2: What do you got? I'm typing it. Oh, you're still typing it? I thought you had it. I'm still typing it. No, no, no. You may look like you had it. I thought I froze.
00:18:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, this year, again, with the blisters bothering him, it felt like that made him much less sure of the curveball.
00:18:44
Speaker 2: It wasn't that trade.
00:18:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Reds said, give us money and we'll give you Sammy Stafura, which one of the all-time worst trades. Doesn't really matter if any of the players that the Reds gave up were good. You're paying Brian Hayes' U.S.
00:18:57
Speaker 2: Currency.
00:18:58
Speaker 3: No, it was completely unfathomable. But again, just seeing where Lodolo was very, very recently until those fucking blisters popped up again. I get so mad with him with the blisters because they always seem to destroy when he's at his best. He's like the picture-perfect by-low this offseason.
00:19:14
Speaker 2: He kind of reminds me a little bit.
00:19:16
Speaker 3: And this guy, he has a better track record than this guy where the Yankees did for Ryan Weathers last year.
00:19:22
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
00:19:22
Speaker 3: And that was just a perfect move for them. They didn't really give up a ton to get him. It was a volume package of... A bunch of non-impact guys, but good to have when you have a farm system like the Yankees where you have high volume of get-off-the-bus guys.
00:19:34
Speaker 2: Here's some exit velocities. You want these guys? Yeah, sure.
00:19:36
Speaker 3: He's a bunch of fourth outfielders for the future. You could probably do something like that for Lodolo. And Weathers even had team control, so it's probably not even a great comp there. But it seems like such a layup that he's going to be good again.
00:19:46
Speaker 1: The one that I think I probably have the least confidence in... is going to be Tyler Glass now, but he's probably going to be on the move, it seems like.
00:19:54
Speaker 2: So available. Dodgers have a million pitchers.
00:19:56
Speaker 1: They also may not trade him because they don't have to because they can do whatever they want, and there's no reason. They'll put him on the shelf until August again. It doesn't really matter how they care about their roster at all because they'll just do whatever they want. But this is the most tradable Tyler Glasnow has been since he's been traded. It's the most tradable he's been since he didn't know how to pitch yet when he was with the Pirates 10 years ago. But I feel like the Dodgers, after this offseason, we'll see what winds up happening with them. Recording this as they're down 0-2 to the Brewers.
00:20:23
Speaker 3: And they look old and slow. But Glasnow, with the last year of his deal coming up this year, he's going to be due $ 32 million.
00:20:30
Speaker 1: And we know that the Dodgers owner has no money. Well, he has other people's money. He has other people's money. So Glasnow's money is actually really more like $ 60- ish million, I believe, with all the tax.
00:20:42
Speaker 3: And he has a $ 30 million club option in 2028. Can you believe Tyler Glasnow is turning 33 years old? How old that makes me feel?
00:20:49
Speaker 2: It's insane.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: Also, every time I see him, I know he's a huge human being, but then I see his list and I'm like, I mean, he's just blessed.
00:20:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's on, it's on.
00:20:58
Speaker 3: But again, with that over $ 30 million price tag and that club option and all of the options that Dodgers have at pitchers, Behind him, again, Tarek Skubal notwithstanding. This entire video is done with the air of, like, we still absolutely want the best side of Tarek Skubal.
00:21:10
Speaker 2: Oh, that's 1-1.
00:21:11
Speaker 3: That's opportunity number one. If that happens, we'll probably be shopping more like the Lodolos. Probably not even the Detmers.
00:21:16
Speaker 2: At that point. I'd love to see Skubal and Lodolo next to each other. Have a conversation. Talk a little pitchy. Just talk. Oh, my God. Skubal will be like, hey, you want to start eating? And Lodolo will be like, me? Hey, Nick, what do you have for second dinner? Second dinner.
00:21:29
Speaker 1: Cheerios.
00:21:30
Speaker 2: Second dinner. I don't do second dinner. Slim Jims.
00:21:32
Speaker 3: It feels like the Dodgers, with just how many options they have internally, they're going to really try this offseason to dump one of Glasnow.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: Or Teoscar, if not both, if they can.
00:21:41
Speaker 3: And when Glasnow's on the mound, he's still disgustingly good.
00:21:46
Speaker 2: Insane.
00:21:46
Speaker 3: The last two years, he's combined for 165 innings. It's still been one of the most effective pitchers in all of baseball. It's just he's only combined for 165 innings.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: That would be the worry. Guess Tyler Glassnow's career high in any speech. 102. 134.
00:21:59
Speaker 3: That's higher, okay. He's got three seasons over 102. He has a 111 in 2018. That's almost a decade ago. We were in college. A 120 in 2023, that last year with the Rays, before they flipped him. So that was the Pepeo. Pepeo was Glassnow.
00:22:14
Speaker 2: Who was Snell? Snell was different. Snell was a free agent. Yeah, Snell was a free agent. Dodged it.
00:22:18
Speaker 3: But that original trade, he went to the Padres, right? Yeah, he went to the Padres from the Rays.
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Good for him. Patino. Luis Patino. Is Patino around? The Rays miss. The Rays miss. Can we bring Patino in for one more workout? I won't quit on him. But I've seen him throw. He's got nothing left.
00:22:36
Speaker 3: It's a fucking shame. 2024 was Glassnow's year. He actually stayed healthy. He pitched great. He's incredible when he's on the mound. And ironically, the Mets actually have pitching depth now to insulate themselves for the missed half season by Tyler Glassnow.
00:22:48
Speaker 2: And if you can get.
00:22:49
Speaker 3: Him healthy for the right time, like he can. I mean, these could be famous last words. He could be blowing the series for the Dodgers as you guys listen to this. He still has it in him to be a playoff ace. Like, his stuff is still completely all there. And you probably will not have to trade much to get him. You might be able to match a bad salary and get Tyler Glass now. You want to flip-flop Kodesanga and Tyler Glass now? And we'll give you a little something extra?
00:23:09
Speaker 2: A heartbeat. In a heartbeat. No matter what.
00:23:11
Speaker 3: That's probably something that's legitimately on the table. You want to do Sean Minaya? You guys save 10 mil and we'll throw you a prospect? And Minaya will get huge ass for them in the playoffs next year.
00:23:20
Speaker 2: Guaranteed. He'll be so good.
00:23:21
Speaker 3: But, like, I think the best way to describe Tyler Glass now in his career is that there was a start earlier this season. I think it was around May, because that's when Tyler Glass was still healthy. He became the fastest pitcher in the history of baseball based on innings pitched to reach 1,000 strikeouts.
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Nice moment.
00:23:34
Speaker 3: I don't think they stopped the game for him. I think they recognized, took the ball out.
00:23:38
Speaker 2: He came out to warm up.
00:23:38
Speaker 3: That was in the first inning. He came out to warm up in the second inning. He reached to his back, and he missed three months.
00:23:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane.
00:23:44
Speaker 3: It's just exactly who he is. But when you make that trade, there's awareness of that's who he is. And with that salary... you could probably steal Tyler Glass now for very little. And if you get the miracle Tyler Glass now contract to your season, who knows if that actually happens?
00:23:59
Speaker 2: Then you're like, I could win you a World Series. He could win a Cy Young.
00:24:04
Speaker 3: This is the classic, eyes are too big right now, bigger than our stomach. But that's the kind of move that you make when you're confident in the pitching depth that you've accumulated as an organization. You can kind of take a risky shot like this.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: James, I just got a text. We got a bonus six pitcher. Tyler McGill just texted you up.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: Stop.
00:24:21
Speaker 4: No way.
00:24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just texted you up because the sixth and bonus pitcher we're going to talk about is Trevor McGill. Probably it's moved this offseason.
00:24:30
Speaker 2: It's the Devin Williams year. Of course he's getting moved.
00:24:31
Speaker 1: It's the Devin Williams year. It's his final year. And they have Abner Ribe, who is... There's a world he could be better, which is saying a lot because Trevor McGill is unbelievable. One of the best closers in all of baseball. But I feel like this could be a really good pickup for the Mets.
00:24:47
Speaker 3: I think Trevor McGill is like... 90% chance getting traded. Again, we wanted to give this list because almost every guy that we listed, I think there's over an 80% chance, besides Detmers, that they get moved.
00:24:57
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed.
00:24:58
Speaker 3: And McGill's, again, last year of his contract, he got.
00:25:00
Speaker 2: About $ 5 million in ARB last year. That probably bumps.
00:25:03
Speaker 3: I would love to see the baseball trade rumors estimation on him. But I'm thinking like $ 8 million. And the Brewers are just not going to pay a reliever $ 8 million. You mentioned Abney Uribe being the guy who can step in.
00:25:11
Speaker 2: Aaron Ashby.
00:25:12
Speaker 3: If 10 guys, that could be elite relievers next year. We just watched them go five perfect innings against the Dodgers in the playoff game with that bullpen.
00:25:18
Speaker 4: Like, they.
00:25:19
Speaker 2: They shit relievers. And then they pump about the next time, too. It does not matter. They will never stop producing relievers. He's going to get moved. He's definitely going to get moved.
00:25:27
Speaker 3: And he's absolutely one of the best closers in baseball. Especially intimidation factor, which I think is a little underrated for closers in this era.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: Trevor McGill is horrifying.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say is, I think there's a world where, like, I don't know, you think Bednar would come to the Mets?
00:25:41
Speaker 2: I think Bednar would come to the Mets. I mean, I don't know how much the Bednars have loved New York. I think the Bednars would love to go back to Pittsburgh. That's fair. And Unfortunately, Mason Montgomery is there. Yeah, right? I mean, hey, let's talk about a one-two punch. And Luke Weaver, one-two-three.
00:25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mets are going to need to do a lot of work on this bullpen. I wonder how much money they're willing to spend because they're paying Luke Weaver $ 5 million to play against them. Devin Williams is still making $ 12 million or $ 13 million this year. It would be funny having Trevor McGill and Devin Williams in the same bullpen.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: That would be funny.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: That would be kind of hilarious. But Trevor McGill, especially also 32 years old, the Brewers are going to be like, please, give us an asset. The guy throws 100. The curveball's insane. Like, the command is usually really good.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: Attacks. He's so... He's a force. He's a... He's his brother, bitch. They're huge humans. I think Trevor's taller. He's like 6'8, 250. Massive family.
00:26:26
Speaker 3: Maybe it'd be nice for Tyler, the big drip, to get his much more, you know, like.
00:26:30
Speaker 2: Give him some noogies.
00:26:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, we've heard from Tyler... Ruffle up a little bit. We've heard from Tyler that, like, Trevor is kind of like the roughhousing brother, and Tyler's like, okay, here I come.
00:26:38
Speaker 2: He's a big drip, and he's called that because he's a drip. Yeah, but... The Mets are going to be creative for relievers. We want to keep this to starting pitchers. It's kind of even hard to look at the rosters right now, but which relievers are actually getting moved? Yeah, it's hard to talk about the Mets, honestly, right now.
00:26:52
Speaker 3: So much good baseball happening right now. Again, if you guys want to listen to baseball talks, playoff talk, check us out on The Windup. We're coming out with reaction videos a few times a week for all of these games. Right away, morning after the game.
00:27:02
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00:27:02
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00:27:09
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00:27:12
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00:27:18
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