599: Psycho Shower Linux Power

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Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
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My name is Wes.
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And my name is Brent.
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Hello, gentlemen. We're coming up on the show today as we prepare physically,
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mentally, and emotionally for episode 600, we're going to introduce you to what
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might be our next challenge, if the boys can convince me in this episode,
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and there might be a way you can join, too.
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Then we're going to round it out with a killer pick, some great boosts, and a bunch more.
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It's a banger of an episode. Let's make this one really good so that way we
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can slack off for 600. And let's start by saying time appropriate greetings
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to that virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room. Hello.
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Hey, Chris. Hey, Wes. Hello, Wes. Hello, guys.
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Hello. Shout out out there to the quiet listening, too.
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I see our baller booster hybrid sarcasm up there and others getting ready for
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next week's episode. Just chilling in the quiet lounge. You're always welcome. Just grab Mumble.
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Join our servers. We have details at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash Mumble.
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wherever they are, secured by a mesh network protected by WireGuard.
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Yeah. This is the ultimate realization of what WireGuard is capable of.
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It's just secure. It's remote access to whatever you might have,
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your production systems, your databases, all on a mesh network, and it's really fast.
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It's intuitive to set up, but it's also very flexible. It's programmable.
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You have like a programmable private network for a business or for an individual.
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But now we've also expanded to have a JB business plan because there's so much
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we can use it for the back end of JB as well.
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And it makes all other VPNs seem really old.
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Like when I hear people are using like, no disrespect, but when they're using
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things like OpenVPN and other proprietary point-to-point VPNs, I feel bad for them.
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It doesn't have to be that painful.
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It doesn't have to be that way. Tailscale is so much better.
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Right now, just go to tailscale.com slash unplugged.
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We're going to keep the housekeeping short this week because we've got a lot of news to dig into.
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But I do want to mention that we have a lot of details for LUP 600 meetup parties and whatnot.
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So be sure you stay tuned to After the News so that way we can cover all that
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because there's details and logistics and things like that that we don't want you to miss.
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but let's start with something that is a
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tantalizing idea a dream a passion of
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the linux community that seems to never die and
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that is a full linux smartphone it's
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called the librax and they're promising privacy security
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and freedom and this is landing the
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announcement at least right around the pine phone celebrate
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the original pine phone celebrating its fifth birthday so
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we got a handful of these devices out there boys you know this you know
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like you got the pine phones you got the libram 5
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right but i mean
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it's like you could count them on one hand how many true linux smartphone devices
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they are and the librix next is a new smartphone that uses librix os which is
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based on debian 13 huh and it's got some i don't know are you looking Look at
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the pictures there. I'm curious to know what you think of the design.
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It's got an interesting design. I wonder if you notice what kind of jumps out at the top of the phone.
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I did. Yeah. It doesn't look especially modern or sleek. No. But it doesn't look bad.
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No.
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Kind of like an older iPhone.
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I imagine these are pre-production designs as well. Right.
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But it's got all kinds of toggles on the top for Wi-Fi, for LTE probably, probably other things.
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Yeah. Mic and camera definitely on there. I saw Bluetooth on there.
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It's got a RK3588S SOC. So that's a pretty good check.
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Octa-core.
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Yep. 256 gigabytes of eMMC storage built in, then expandable with an SD card.
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It has a 6.34-inch OLED screen running at a nice 2400 by 1880 resolution with
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a fingerprint sensor on the back and Corning Gorilla Glass for the screen.
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And it has a removable, I'm going to say it again, a removable 5,300 amp hour
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battery, 32 megapixel rear camera, 13 megapixel front camera.
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It also has a legitimate LTE modem, they're saying.
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It's at least one that I think is considered pretty good.
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The Snapdragon X32, which supports 5G, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth,
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and the hardware switches.
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Brent, could this be, if it's true, if it's real, could this be a Brent phone?
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Well, I've been looking for a phone like this for...
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I was going to say five years, but I think it's been more like 10 years.
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I feel like many of us have, but nothing that's come out has been up to snuff.
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Now, this sounds very promising. It is, of course, a bunch of promises at this
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point. So we haven't seen any development devices.
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Nobody's gotten their hands on it. And it is a crowd funder.
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And I know you have a really good experience with how these go, right, Chris?
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So a lot of this makes me pause a little bit, although I got to say something
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in me is tinkling because, yeah, I would love a phone like this if it was.
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I'm usually typically fine with giving up a few popular features to lean a little
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closer to my ideals, as you guys know.
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So I would totally go this way. I would if this got into production.
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Yeah, you've got me hooked.
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I think the one question I have, okay, so you make a great point that you're
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willing to forego a lot of conveniences and sort of quality of life stuff.
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But my question is, isn't there still a set of Android or iOS apps that are
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almost at the essential layer?
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Maybe not. Maybe you can kind of not, but I'm just thinking like.
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Maps.
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Well, maps, or I don't know, there's, is there like a, you know,
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an app you need to register if you're like coming into another country,
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or instead of having to fill out a paper form, or?
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Boy, you're right. I have to go apps blunking like when I'm traveling quite a bit.
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Well, I did read on their website here that they're doing like an Android jail,
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so you can run some of these apps if you needed to.
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Okay, see, that would work.
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So, Wes, for you, I got a question.
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Imagine this thing, it kind of lives up to what they say here,
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right? We have to be kind of skeptical here at this point, but let's just go with this for a second.
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It's using Posh, I believe, that GNOME GTK stuff that Purism and others have
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worked on, the adaptive GTK.
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That stuff's in a pretty good place.
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It doesn't, you know, look bad, I don't think.
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Apps that you're going to be familiar with.
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An underlying OS you can tweak to your heart's content. You could run,
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you know, an Apache server on this thing if you wanted to.
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Battery life, though, four hours. Is that a deal breaker for you when it's removable?
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Huh.
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By the way, that's not their estimate. I'm just thinking, when you've got this
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RK3588SOC, and you've got a Snapdragon X32 modem, and you've got a Linux OS
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and a 6.34-inch OLED screen,
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all of those things are on the higher end of power use so i think we would have
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to and you know especially if you're on 5g.
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Right i.
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Think you'd have to set your expectations to kind of mid for battery life.
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Yeah i suppose uh i wonder if they were if they're gonna have good os level
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options for like battery saver mode or other sort of power profiles because
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you know if i could put it into like background mode for a lot of the day and
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just like hey every couple minutes wake up for notifications and otherwise kind
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of sleep yeah it doesn't need to be constantly.
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Receiving yeah Yeah, you're right.
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Especially if I can choose the granularity or switch the mode pretty easily.
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Pull every 10 minutes.
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Yeah.
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Not constantly. Stop it. That's a great point. That'd be a freaking great OS.
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It's just like so rare that I need to know.
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Right now.
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Yeah.
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Very true.
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Yeah. That's, yeah, I think the removable battery is such a nice return.
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Especially if you could get a couple of them. Keep some charge in your bag.
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Imagine a travel, like going back to your point about a travel day,
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like, yes, maybe You couldn't get some of the apps, but you could bring three
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of the batteries with you.
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And this could be your entire entertainment device, your media information,
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you know, like everything.
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And you could even install Jellyfin on this.
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You might feel better about, well, maybe not from iOS, but you might feel better
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about some of the security risks of traveling too if you're using a Linux-powered phone.
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Yeah, perhaps.
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Chris, you've had, you know, multiple devices in your life for a little while.
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You were doing the dual phone thing for a bit there.
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Do you see this being an option in that respect? Like having certain apps on
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the everyday, always on phone and having, I don't know, most of your private life on this guy.
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I was just sort of thinking that, right? Like, especially if you could keep,
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like, an older couple gen out Pixel that you just kind of have for,
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like, if you need it for one thing. Or maybe you take that one when you travel or.
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Yeah, like something that one can RDP to the other.
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I wouldn't need to bring it with me if I'm going over to my friend's house for the night, right?
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Yeah, it doesn't maybe have all your passwords, doesn't have all your notes,
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doesn't have all your pictures, all your history. Right. You know what I was
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thinking, actually, is.
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Especially because I already own several old Pixel phones, you know?
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Like, I wouldn't have to, like, get a new phone to be my second phone.
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I feel like I still haven't landed on the sweet spot for, I'm going to a relative's
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house, I'm going to a hotel, I'm going to an Airbnb, and I want to take USB-C
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to HDMI, and I want to put something up on the TV.
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And because I just, I had my 10-year anniversary with the wife a few weeks ago,
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and we went to a little Airbnb nearby.
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And I get in there, and of course, I didn't bring anything to take control of
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the TV. It didn't even cross my mind.
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Uh, yeah.
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And a little portable phone that maybe I had a C to HDMI adapter that I could,
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you know, run Cody on or a jellyfin front end would be really nice.
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And I've tried to kind of replicate this with the Fire Stick to not really much success.
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I don't know. I like that idea. Maybe the audience has a device out there that's
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already perfect for this that they could boost it and tell me about.
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But I could see the phone doing this, but this is probably going to be,
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you know, somewhere near a thousand dollars.
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There's got to be a cheaper way to accomplish what I'm looking to do.
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But if it was one of many things that provided for me, I could see getting this,
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even if it wasn't my daily driver phone. Potentially.
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crowdfunding is the red flag here we have to kind of see how this goes they
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haven't actually built anything as far as we know yet maybe prototypes we don't
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have any information on battery life or price we don't even really know when
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the crowds funders gonna fully kick off like they haven't even said that yet
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you can't even go crowdfunding.
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At this point you know i don't know if i've tried hdmi but the pixels and those
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usbc little docs that have you know uh usb and hdmi My own have been fairly well compatible.
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Yeah.
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So if you had the jellyfin client on your phone connected to your server,
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maybe we'll do it that way. I don't know if you want to.
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But you know, also in this space is the Mecca comet. Yeah.
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And this one is really out there where like this makes the Libre next seem reasonable
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and totally achievable because this is in a whole other level of what they're trying to do.
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It's a modular Linux handheld and it's extensible by slapping on different modules.
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We've seen these ideas over the past, but my goodness, if this isn't the most
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slick, elegant version.
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And the dang thing has two USB-A ports in the side of it, as well as a small Ethernet port.
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I don't know why, but suddenly I love the idea of a phone with a USB-A port.
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Heck yeah. And it has these ideas of modules that magnetically snap on and then
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interface with the device over USB.
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So they show up to the Linux OS as USB.
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And they demonstrated this actually functioning at CES.
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So it's kind of like what framework does, but just remove the connector.
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Yes. And so an example of this is you could, where you might have a keyboard,
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you could slap off the magnetic keyboard and slap on a controller pad for maybe
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a Game Boy emulator or maybe a data cable to connect to an external disk.
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They have right now a GPIO, I guess, accessory. You could call it a gamepad
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accessory and a keyboard accessory.
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But it's just general GPIO stuff. It's all USB, pretty basic,
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open source, how they make it work. So it's nothing really particularly secretive about it.
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Anybody could really probably wire up something. It is a Linux OS.
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They call it Mechanix OS. It's based on Debian.
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They say the perk to that is that there's, quote, 60,000 packages in the Debian
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repo that work out of the box.
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The Mechanix shell is built in Rust and supports GPU rendering on Wayland.
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Whoa.
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Yeah. Built with the tools you already know, and they list Chromium.
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They list Docker, Go, Cute, Rust, obviously, Node, and others. It is also...
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It's a, it's a Kickstarter. It's a crowdfund. It's a Kickstarter specifically.
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And it's in the pre-launch mode. It has not technically launched either.
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They seem to have prototypes because I watched coverage at CES of like a whole
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booth of them actually functioning and snapping pads on and whatnot.
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And they have now videos of that up on their website as well.
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So this one's way out there, boys.
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They seem busy. They've got a GitHub link and, you know, those repos are active.
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This might be better for what I'm thinking of. My kind of device,
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you know, a portable media server. because you could see snapping on a disc.
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Yeah, this opens it up to a whole other conception than a traditional phone.
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They do have some use cases here, Chris, that I think will bri you over too if you need.
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One of them called the Car Whisperer. You can add a CAN or ODB port to the common
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and start talking to your car or RB.
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The other one here they suggest is build your own tricorder.
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Well, I was thinking a portable recorder. You know, if you could have a little
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USB interface that you could snap on to this thing.
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Because again, it's just USB with power pins and whatnot. It's pretty straightforward.
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That could, you know, for events, with the recording, like Audacity running
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on the little screen, right? You just use, or Reaper even?
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You could even use Reaper because it's available on ARM. So this is way out there.
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I invite you guys to go to the show notes at linuxownplugged.com slash 599 and
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check out the link to this thing because-
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It's the coolest implementation I've ever seen of this idea of this kind of like Lego kit phone.
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It's not as modular as like the Motorola stuff we've seen in the past.
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It's just really that front end spot where a keyboard would go.
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There is a magnetic mount where things connect.
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And so you just can swap different stuff on there. And then it's got USB-C on
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the bottom of the phone. It's got, I mean, in the versions they show on their
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website, it's got USB-A on the side and an Ethernet port.
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It seems like you could sell some to just anyone who worked in like a data center
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or support environment just with the, you know, USB-A and the Ethernet right
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there on the side and having a nice keyboard, physical keyboard.
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Or like what about Amazon, right? So you buy these as a standard device and
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then you build a custom snap-on module that's particular to the work case or something like that.
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I don't know, man. I could see it. Again, not sure I'm pricing.
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It's a crowdfunder. But these are really interesting ideas.
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Notable, too, that I think that both of them are running on Debian.
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I would love to have you boost in and tell us if you're interested in devices
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like these still, or have you soured on the idea of a Linux device.
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And are you willing to go far enough to actually put your money on the line
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and crowdfund one of these?
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Boost in and tell us, because I'm really interested in the audience's temperature on this.
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Before we move on, just a couple of quick stories to wrap up on.
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I thought it was noteworthy that the Linux Foundation has launched the supporters
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of Chromium-based browsers.
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Quote, the supporters of Chromium-based browsers will provide the neutral space
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where industry leaders, academia, developers, and broader open-source communities
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can work together to support projects within the Chromium ecosystem.
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We've seen some, I'd say, confusion or maybe some anger in some of the Linux
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and open-source community over this. I think, Brent, you had a take I kind of liked.
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Well, I have heard a lot of people think, well, what's the deal with Firefox?
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Like, why are we supporting Chromium-based stuff when we've had Firefox all along?
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And that's a good question to answer. I don't know who's going to answer it,
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but it seems like we need one.
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Well, the argument I've heard is, well, it has a foundation already. It's Mozilla.
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Well, I think I'd also, Brent, I think you said this, that, you know,
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the Linux Foundation in a way was sort of dealing with the solving for a future
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where maybe we don't have a Firefox or, you know, we need a healthy Chromium
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ecosystem because it's going to be here whether we like it or not.
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Yeah, but wouldn't the way to solve for that be to support Firefox more?
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Not if it's doomed. Then it's just a waste of money.
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Oh, my God, that's dark.
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I'm using Firefox right now to be clear.
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Am I the only one that just is cooking a little conspiracy bacon on this one?
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To me, this seems like a hedge that the Justice Department might go through
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with their threats of separating Chromie Ma from Google.
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And then they're positioning themselves to be ready for when that happens.
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That makes sense. I'm going to go with that bacon with you.
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Wow. That's rare for Brent. All right. Thank you. I like that.
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It wasn't even Canadian bacon.
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What do you think? You think it could be like them like laying the cards out
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or I guess maybe another metaphor would be like preparing the deck, the seats.
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Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know if that's the only reason or it's a direct
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response, but I think that and sort of a wider concerns around that,
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especially as we've seen, you know, more and more in Microsoft,
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you know, there's just like a lot of companies now tied to this code base and a lot of, uh,
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it's some extent the real economy that relies on it functioning.
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I think that probably plays a factor. Yeah.
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Short Dom in the live chat also points out Electron's a factor here.
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True, yeah.
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You know, even if Chrome never got separated out, like Electron's such a huge
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thing now, you'd want to have at least some, maybe they're hoping to get input
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or developer influence and build influence over time.
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I'd love to know.
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I do think, you know, I mean, the Linux Foundation, for all of its faults,
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it does seem to do a decent job of being able to, like, help coordinate and
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provide some funding and centralized, you know, dispatch or whatever for open
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source projects sometimes.
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I feel like I'm missing a wider play.
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Well, Chris, I see a big old Join Now button on their website here.
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Maybe we should do some inside reporting.
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Maybe the Unplugged show should become a supporter of Chromium-based browsers.
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What if we make our own browser? And you can just only go to the show pages.
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That'd be great. That'd be so good. And then I just wanted to wrap up as far
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as news goes with a shout out to Wine 10.0.
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Now with native Wayland support and better high DPI support.
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And I just think this is incredible because the Wine Project was started in 1993.
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They just keep going and going and going.
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And it is so respectable.
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2008 which we covered on this show i think every at least one of our shows wine
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reached 1.0 and that felt like such a huge deal you know and now here we are
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10.0 is out and i think this is also going to make one of my predictions about
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proton correct in linux unplugged but.
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We'll see we'll see it's also like maybe remind ourselves the the promise of
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what wine advertises that it can do seems kind of impossible in practice you
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know what i mean like oh yeah you could write a paper about how you could do
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that sure right but you're gonna keep up with the changes and make real world
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complicated applications work like a game turns out yeah.
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OnePassword.com slash unplugged. That's all lowercase.
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It's the number one password.com slash unplugged. Okay, I have a question for you.
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Do your end users always, and I mean always without exception,
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work on company-owned devices and IT-approved apps?
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I don't think so. I don't think it's possible. So I think the next natural question
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is, how do you keep your company's data safe when it's sitting in all those
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unmanaged apps and devices?
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Well, OnePassword has the answer to this question. It's extended access management.
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1Password extended access management. It helps you secure every sign-in for
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every app on every device because
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it solves problems that traditional IAMs and MDMs just can't touch.
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And it's also bundling 1Password. You know 1Password. We've all had those situations
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where we've seen the passwords under the keyboard, we're stuck to the monitor,
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or somebody uses the same password everywhere.
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You think, God, if they just had a great password manager that would solve all of this.
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Well, 1Password's award-winning password manager is trusted by millions of users,
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150,000-plus businesses from
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IBM to Slack, and now they're doing more than just securing passwords.
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Now with extended access management, they're taking to the next level.
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Plus, 1Password is ISO 27001 certified, and they have regular third-party audits,
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and they have the largest bug bounty out there.
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They just exceed the standards set by everybody else.
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Secure every app and every identity, even the unmanaged ones.
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Go to 1password.com slash unplugged. That's all lowercase.
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Again, support the show, check it out, and try it out. It's 1password.com slash unplugged.
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All right, well, we are one week away as we record from LUP episode 600.
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And that includes all of the awesome looking meetups that the community have set up.
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Oh, yeah. I'm going to go to colonyevents.com right now. Let's go check them out.
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Okay, and something that became clear, and thank you to everyone pointing this
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out, recently we've been experimenting with an earlier live time by two hours.
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but we started doing that just because it it kind
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of was working a little better for a variety of boring reasons uh
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but we'd already planned and set up schedules for the lup 600 event with you
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know the expectations of the show would be at the time that it's been for years
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for years and years yeah uh so just to be clear lup 600 we will be live at the
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normal time which was which is 12 p.m pacific here in the pacific northwest 3 p.m.
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Eastern so that way you can join the mumbler room and listen along and pop in
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the on-air and give us a little shout.
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I would recommend showing up early so that way we can sort out mumble issues
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and audio issues, which we'll no doubt have.
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And then for the Pacific Northwest meetup, we're not having the meetup at the
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studio because we realized we couldn't really have a party and do the show at the same time.
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As awesome as that would be, if that were a thing that we could do,
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that would make for a horrible podcast.
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So what we're going to do is record the show, and then immediately after,
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we're going to head over to the point, which is really close to the studio.
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So we're just going to walk over afterwards about 3 p.m.
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at our local time. And we have all the details at colonyevents.com.
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But that also means we can accommodate more people since we're not having it
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at the studio. So more the merrier.
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Everybody is welcome to join us next week in person right here in the Pacific
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Northwest in Smoky Point.
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Come to the point at 3 p.m. All the details are at colonyevents.com.
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There's like a whole bunch of events on there now. It's really awesome to see.
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And ours for the details is just the one that's listed as the Pacific Northwest meetup.
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We'll put a link to it in the show notes as well. But all of them are listed
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over at colonyevents.com.
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There's a couple new meetups here I think I want to do a shout out to.
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There's a FOSDM meetup that popped up because FOSDM is happening at the exact
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same time. So I think that's pretty exciting.
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and also uh maybe this is more of a psa there's one in melbourne that's happening
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which is pretty awesome but it uh seems to be happening march 6th which i don't
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know my time math is pretty good but i think that's a little too late to join
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lup 600 so folks who are organizing the melbourne meetup maybe have a look uh
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make sure you're on the right day.
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service to schedule meetups forever just if you want to meet up with other JB
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listeners in there and then you could always boost in or write us and have us
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give us a shout out so people know to go sign up.
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We are happy to do that. Every time we go to a meetup,
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Literally 100%. I'm not saying 99%, not 99.5.
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100% of the time we do meetups. The people there say, oh, we should do more
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of this. Even if the guys can't come, we should do more of this.
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And then we leave and sometimes they do it, but most of the time they just sort
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of drift apart because we don't leave them with any tooling.
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But if they said it and we gave them like, you know, here, go right here, go set up a meetup.
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I think it would actually continue to create some momentum. So I invite everybody
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out there, continue to use ColonyEvents.com after this as well,
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especially as we get close to LinuxFest and Scale and Planet Nix.
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If you want to make some plans around there, that could be really nice.
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People could just go there and see what's going on. What are people doing?
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I say take and run with it. And we're sorry if there's been any confusion around
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the timing in all of this, especially because for a bit we were thinking about
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having our meet up here at the studio. But now we've decided to have it at the
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pub nearby. Oh, and kids are welcome at our meetup.
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It is family. It is a family friendly venue as well.
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Okay, boys. You have been slowly trying to convince me that we should do a free
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BSD challenge on this show.
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That's right.
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And you've recently provided some documentation to indicate that now may be the time.
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So make your case. I will admit I'm on the fence. I think you two are a little bit more pro than I am.
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I don't know. I think my hesitation is, um, I have been down this path.
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I've run free BSD in production.
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You know, I've, I've tried it. It has been a bit, but I've tried it.
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So I feel like this is, this is like something I've done. And you guys are like,
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let's go do this. I'm like, yeah, okay, but I've tried that and it's all right.
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You know, it's all right. But that's one of the reasons I'm over here,
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you know, it's because I tried that.
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So you're saying prospector Chris has been there, done that.
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And, uh, Prosperster Chris Knows.
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Back in his day, he learned a few things.
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Well, I think you're a curious fellow, first of all.
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Oh, okay.
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And, you know, FreeBest, here, you love seeing community-driven open source.
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Coming in hot and hard.
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That is what FreeBest is.
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Immediately going for the soft spot. Immediately.
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And a lot of other people have seen that recently because 2024 was like a standout year, I think.
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in terms of, like, there's just been good investments and donations and improvements.
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For FreeBSD?
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Oh.
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Following AMD and FreeBSD Foundation collaborations and the Sovereign Tech Fund
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making a big investment,
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the FreeBSD Foundation and Quantum Leap Research have announced a $750,000 USD
439
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commitment to improve laptop support. That's one news item, for instance.
440
00:28:03,942 --> 00:28:06,242
And specifically, it looks like AMD laptops.
441
00:28:06,402 --> 00:28:08,062
Dell, AMD, and Framework.
442
00:28:08,342 --> 00:28:09,602
Okay, okay, okay.
443
00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:10,982
So I think...
444
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,739
Okay, maybe we don't have to try it immediately. That's maybe a separate case.
445
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:20,619
But just in general, I think there is more and more reason to think that a couple
446
00:28:20,619 --> 00:28:22,879
of years ago, FreeBSD take is outdated.
447
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:26,919
And for that reason alone, we might want to make sure that we're current.
448
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:30,079
I do think that's your best argument. Yeah, I do agree.
449
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:34,099
They're also working on improving their audio stack and maybe creating a graphical
450
00:28:34,099 --> 00:28:35,559
installer. Those are big changes.
451
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:36,479
They haven't done that yet.
452
00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:38,459
Well, I mean, it's just serverless.
453
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,599
I guess it could be fun to not have a graphic. That could be fun.
454
00:28:42,019 --> 00:28:45,759
Ghost BSD continues to be developed as well as like a, you know, desktop focus.
455
00:28:45,859 --> 00:28:50,199
That's what I was going to ask you is how much, like, is this,
456
00:28:50,239 --> 00:28:53,859
is this like, do we do free BSD because that's the big one or is,
457
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,999
is ghost BSD the direction we should go because it's desktop focus and that
458
00:28:56,999 --> 00:28:57,839
could be a fun comparison?
459
00:28:58,259 --> 00:29:00,899
Yeah. Or maybe you could do a mix, you know, I think, you know,
460
00:29:00,979 --> 00:29:03,899
I think running maybe free BSD on a desktop or a server would be fine.
461
00:29:04,019 --> 00:29:07,119
And then you could do ghost BSD as the desktop component if you wanted to.
462
00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:08,719
That's an interesting idea.
463
00:29:08,719 --> 00:29:11,719
I think it's worth trying to make sure you use it in ways that will test the
464
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areas that are being developed and improvements.
465
00:29:13,939 --> 00:29:17,179
Okay. You know what? I think that's a good parameter is it has to be tried as
466
00:29:17,179 --> 00:29:18,459
a server and as a desktop.
467
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,499
Yeah. Try to get the full sense of how you would use it if you were maybe going
468
00:29:21,499 --> 00:29:23,499
to try to actually replace some Linux.
469
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,059
That's fair. Okay. Huh.
470
00:29:26,259 --> 00:29:30,159
Plus, they're making a bunch of investments in their build system and security
471
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:35,399
investments and doing audits, and they're working on zero-trust builds now.
472
00:29:36,019 --> 00:29:37,919
Hmm. Look at them go, huh?
473
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:41,859
Also, reproducible builds, they've got efforts there. I think at one point,
474
00:29:41,939 --> 00:29:44,579
at least in 2024, they were talking about maybe integrating Rust.
475
00:29:44,659 --> 00:29:46,419
I don't know where that conversation went offhand.
476
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,479
It'd be interesting to see how ZFS is integrated now that they've had it for so long.
477
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:54,199
Right. Yeah, they've got very nice boot environment support that you can get
478
00:29:54,199 --> 00:29:55,779
going, so we should definitely play with that.
479
00:29:55,819 --> 00:29:59,819
And I have become a fan of the centralized config file. I mean,
480
00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:02,119
it used to be part of how FreeBSD worked, because a lot of that was just went
481
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,799
into one configuration file, which I really liked about FreeBSD back then.
482
00:30:07,748 --> 00:30:08,968
Brent, what are your thoughts?
483
00:30:09,388 --> 00:30:09,948
Oh, I'm in.
484
00:30:12,788 --> 00:30:19,068
Like I've been BSD curious. I don't know, maybe for even two years now.
485
00:30:19,188 --> 00:30:24,148
I mean, people have been suggesting it to us for quite a long time. Yes, we do listen to you.
486
00:30:24,368 --> 00:30:27,328
Don't worry. But also with all these new developments, it feels like,
487
00:30:27,488 --> 00:30:28,948
why wouldn't we give it a shot?
488
00:30:29,528 --> 00:30:33,288
Hmm. Okay. All right. So let's think about some parameters.
489
00:30:34,228 --> 00:30:38,868
Got to use it as a server. see what it's like to host something like a home
490
00:30:38,868 --> 00:30:40,248
lab thing or a production thing.
491
00:30:40,388 --> 00:30:40,508
Yeah.
492
00:30:40,968 --> 00:30:43,728
I gotta try it as a desktop on physical hardware?
493
00:30:44,048 --> 00:30:44,848
Ideally I guess.
494
00:30:45,008 --> 00:30:47,288
Maybe I'd kind of be I'd like to try both I suppose.
495
00:30:47,608 --> 00:30:47,708
Yeah.
496
00:30:48,728 --> 00:30:51,108
Okay. What do you think Brent? Is there anything any other things that?
497
00:30:51,348 --> 00:30:54,868
Well one question I have is how long is the challenge?
498
00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:56,768
Hmm. Hmm.
499
00:30:57,688 --> 00:30:59,308
How long did we do the 32 bit?
500
00:30:59,548 --> 00:31:00,028
I don't know.
501
00:31:00,088 --> 00:31:00,568
Was that a week?
502
00:31:00,688 --> 00:31:04,528
And I wonder should we delay it so the audience could participate like we shouldn't
503
00:31:04,528 --> 00:31:05,508
probably we shouldn't launch it.
504
00:31:05,508 --> 00:31:10,768
Yeah well and also we may want to ask if we have experienced FreeBSD folks.
505
00:31:10,768 --> 00:31:11,588
Yeah I.
506
00:31:11,588 --> 00:31:15,888
Bet they will have some like pointers to things we don't want to miss while trying to check it out.
507
00:31:15,888 --> 00:31:20,568
Right okay so those are the things that we're going to need to know is like
508
00:31:20,568 --> 00:31:23,048
yeah basically we're totally noobs to this again because it has been a long
509
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:27,488
time so what should we know and what should we try and are you willing to take
510
00:31:27,488 --> 00:31:31,768
a challenge with us I guess boost in or go to linuxunplugged.com slash contact
511
00:31:31,768 --> 00:31:33,828
and let us know and I think
512
00:31:33,928 --> 00:31:37,428
if we get some good feedback maybe we just launch it in episode 600 next
513
00:31:37,428 --> 00:31:40,988
week and then 600 will be the week we launch it and maybe
514
00:31:40,988 --> 00:31:43,828
by then we figured out how long to run it i kind of think the
515
00:31:43,828 --> 00:31:46,688
nice thing about if we launched it'd be nice to just end it
516
00:31:46,688 --> 00:31:50,608
in 601 it doesn't give us a lot of time though we could
517
00:31:50,608 --> 00:31:53,668
do an update in 601 maybe maybe that's what we do maybe we
518
00:31:53,668 --> 00:31:57,028
run it for a couple of weeks and we do a midpoint check
519
00:31:57,028 --> 00:32:01,768
in 601 and a conclusion in 602 that could work yeah that gives us a couple of
520
00:32:01,768 --> 00:32:04,908
weeks to try both you know make sure we have enough time yeah both the server
521
00:32:04,908 --> 00:32:08,608
and the desktop stuff it is nice to see this development happening over there
522
00:32:08,608 --> 00:32:13,728
you know it's a really great project and it will be interesting to look back
523
00:32:13,728 --> 00:32:15,428
at it now with a nyx lens a bit more
524
00:32:15,848 --> 00:32:18,968
than i have in the past yeah nyx is available.
525
00:32:18,968 --> 00:32:19,768
On bsd right.
526
00:32:19,768 --> 00:32:20,828
I don't know,
527
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:26,929
I don't think so. No, but what I'm saying is the previous times I tried FreeBSD,
528
00:32:27,149 --> 00:32:31,269
I was coming at it from like an Ubuntu user's perspective, which is totally fine.
529
00:32:31,409 --> 00:32:37,569
But I think there's more similarities in the way, you know, you configure Nix
530
00:32:37,569 --> 00:32:39,749
and FreeBSD than there would be with FreeBSD and Ubuntu.
531
00:32:40,409 --> 00:32:43,709
So there may be less of a culture shock this time. I don't know.
532
00:32:43,849 --> 00:32:46,169
I could be totally wrong, but that's my that's my suspicion.
533
00:32:46,489 --> 00:32:47,749
Why have you never tried it, Brent?
534
00:32:47,749 --> 00:32:53,989
Well, I remember poking around at GhostBSD and even Hello Systems when we did the 32-bit challenge,
535
00:32:53,989 --> 00:32:58,929
because those seemed to be some of the only ones that supported the very odd
536
00:32:58,929 --> 00:33:03,809
CPU that I had in the machine that was sort of dropped off in my front door.
537
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:08,709
But I think mostly it's just because we've never done a challenge.
538
00:33:08,709 --> 00:33:11,209
I don't really have a better excuse than that, to be honest.
539
00:33:11,529 --> 00:33:14,109
Well, this will be great. So this will be your first time. I know you've must
540
00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:15,529
have run it before, Wes, right? Oh, yeah.
541
00:33:15,729 --> 00:33:18,069
I've had a couple of FreeBSD servers over the years.
542
00:33:18,269 --> 00:33:20,309
We've probably tried it once or twice on the show years ago.
543
00:33:20,309 --> 00:33:21,049
I think we must have, yeah.
544
00:33:21,829 --> 00:33:25,949
Okay. You got me with the I haven't used it in years thing. It has been a really,
545
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:27,769
I mean, it's probably been pre-10.
546
00:33:28,369 --> 00:33:30,989
I think FreeBSD 9 was the last time I tried it.
547
00:33:31,089 --> 00:33:34,949
Yeah, I even, for a little tiny bit, I was renting a dedicated server.
548
00:33:35,089 --> 00:33:35,309
Really?
549
00:33:35,429 --> 00:33:37,469
From Hetzner and running FreeBSD on it.
550
00:33:37,829 --> 00:33:39,229
Just because you wanted to?
551
00:33:39,329 --> 00:33:44,109
Yeah, well, I was trying it. I dabbled with it before and I wanted to get like
552
00:33:44,109 --> 00:33:46,009
more of a sense for, you know, really running it.
553
00:33:46,229 --> 00:33:46,729
How did it work?
554
00:33:46,869 --> 00:33:51,089
Worked well. It had like, I think, four disks in it. So, you know, I had ZFS going.
555
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:54,709
I did eventually replace it. I think ultimately at that time it was an Ubuntu
556
00:33:54,709 --> 00:33:57,669
box running LexD with a bunch of containers.
557
00:33:57,969 --> 00:34:02,149
All right. Well, Boosted and let us know if you're in on the FreeBSD Challenge
558
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:05,669
and if you have any guidance for us as well, which we can incorporate.
559
00:34:05,889 --> 00:34:09,309
And then we'll officially kick it off next week. So you don't have to do anything
560
00:34:09,309 --> 00:34:12,129
yet because we're going to incorporate everybody's feedback,
561
00:34:12,549 --> 00:34:15,269
set all the final parameters next week, and then officially launch it.
562
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:17,529
Well, we got to do it because we already got hybrid. Hybrid's in.
563
00:34:17,729 --> 00:34:18,129
All right.
564
00:34:18,269 --> 00:34:20,689
So, you know, if you want to be cool like hybrid, join us.
565
00:34:24,055 --> 00:34:28,615
Episode 600 is next week. Can you believe it? It feels like a milestone.
566
00:34:29,035 --> 00:34:32,315
It feels like a rare one. Not many podcasts get this far. And if you've been
567
00:34:32,315 --> 00:34:34,895
on the fence or been meaning to boost, this is your time.
568
00:34:35,055 --> 00:34:39,995
We'd love to hear from some first-time boosters and long-time boosters to celebrate episode 600.
569
00:34:40,355 --> 00:34:42,815
Maybe we'll even put it on the charts. Wouldn't that be pretty cool?
570
00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:46,435
Strike and Fountain tend to be the combo, the easiest to get started,
571
00:34:46,515 --> 00:34:48,915
the least amount of friction. That's why we link them in the show notes.
572
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:53,315
But there's also things like Breeze. That's B-R-E-E-Z. It makes it pretty simple
573
00:34:53,315 --> 00:34:56,015
to get going. and you don't need to switch podcast apps.
574
00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:59,435
Of course, episode 600 is also a celebration of our members.
575
00:34:59,775 --> 00:35:04,915
Jupiter.party to support all the shows and linuxunplug.com slash membership
576
00:35:04,915 --> 00:35:07,315
to support this specific show and get the perks.
577
00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:10,475
We would love to hear from you next week. Let's have a blowout.
578
00:35:10,715 --> 00:35:14,335
Episode 600 is going to be a special milestone and we'd love to hear from you.
579
00:35:14,475 --> 00:35:17,795
And thank you to everyone for all your support. It's just incredible to be at
580
00:35:17,795 --> 00:35:21,315
$5.99 right now. It feels surreal and I can't wait for 600.
581
00:35:24,375 --> 00:35:27,775
Well, that said, we do have some pretty amazing boosts here,
582
00:35:27,855 --> 00:35:31,415
and we do have a baller of a baller in Eric the Red.
583
00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:41,481
Yes, Mr. Red writes with his 100,000 sats. Thank you for all the great shows.
584
00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,201
During the middle of the night, I started to think about how amazing open source software is.
585
00:35:45,921 --> 00:35:49,481
Someday, we'll learn to apply these same community-based efforts to things like
586
00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:51,961
energy and investing and be more prosperous.
587
00:35:52,341 --> 00:35:59,821
I hope so. I just updated two Nix OS machines that started on 2305 to 2411 with no issues.
588
00:36:00,581 --> 00:36:03,081
That is nice. Also, Jess did the same.
589
00:36:04,321 --> 00:36:06,301
I revived the dead Thaleo.
590
00:36:06,521 --> 00:36:07,321
Oh, right.
591
00:36:07,641 --> 00:36:08,281
Oh, nice.
592
00:36:08,461 --> 00:36:11,881
And went from 2305 to 2411. I had to change.
593
00:36:12,081 --> 00:36:15,481
I had to comment out like the, something in there I like about enabling sound.
594
00:36:15,641 --> 00:36:16,861
Like you just don't have to do that anymore.
595
00:36:16,961 --> 00:36:17,101
Yeah.
596
00:36:17,221 --> 00:36:20,101
And that was it. And then it was off to the races. It was really awesome.
597
00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:24,761
He says, Brent's comment on not distro hopping since adopting NixOS has been
598
00:36:24,761 --> 00:36:27,801
true with me as well. NixOS has been a great desktop operating system.
599
00:36:28,041 --> 00:36:29,681
Oh, glad it's working well for you.
600
00:36:29,861 --> 00:36:36,261
Yeah, I know. That's why that take that we covered, where it was like even experienced
601
00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:37,241
Linux users shouldn't use it
602
00:36:37,241 --> 00:36:40,561
on the desktop, just felt like it really missed it. It really missed it.
603
00:36:40,601 --> 00:36:42,481
Yeah, there are a lot of things that it got right.
604
00:36:42,721 --> 00:36:47,261
And you know what? I also, for many years, was very happy with Arch and Fedora
605
00:36:47,261 --> 00:36:48,521
and Ubuntu as my desktops.
606
00:36:49,561 --> 00:36:54,041
So it really just depends on what gear works for you. And thank you very much
607
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:55,941
for being our baller user, Eric the Red.
608
00:36:56,041 --> 00:37:02,441
We really appreciate you. And you got in before we clicked over to 600. Thank you very much.
609
00:37:03,161 --> 00:37:07,281
Turd Ferguson boosts in with 88,222 cents.
610
00:37:09,901 --> 00:37:12,121
I was going to write a blog post
611
00:37:12,121 --> 00:37:16,201
about how Windows isn't ready for the desktop, but no one would read it.
612
00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:18,421
Oh, Bert.
613
00:37:18,481 --> 00:37:20,001
Coming in hot, Turd. Coming in hot.
614
00:37:21,861 --> 00:37:28,981
Well, our dear producer Jeff boosted in two boosts for a total of 28,888 Satoshis.
615
00:37:33,141 --> 00:37:36,341
He says, I find it hard to recommend any particular distro to people these days.
616
00:37:36,441 --> 00:37:39,601
It really depends on their backgrounds. Wait, Chris, it's your birthday.
617
00:37:40,081 --> 00:37:42,801
Happy birthday, Chris, he says in his second boost here.
618
00:37:43,421 --> 00:37:48,361
He says, I wish I could join live today, but I'm busy earning that fiat S coin.
619
00:37:48,501 --> 00:37:51,461
Have you heard of S coin? so I can buy more sats.
620
00:37:51,801 --> 00:37:56,621
There you go. You got to mine it somehow, right? Either directly or in the fiat mines.
621
00:37:57,021 --> 00:38:04,701
Thank you, producer Jeff. And I agree. Every distro is, it's like a personal
622
00:38:04,701 --> 00:38:08,061
recommendation based on their work and what they're doing, what their expectations
623
00:38:08,061 --> 00:38:11,101
are on a computer and how they're going to use it, right? It's a personal thing these days.
624
00:38:11,261 --> 00:38:15,201
I know it's weird to say that because Windows and macOS are supposed to be one size fits all.
625
00:38:15,481 --> 00:38:19,621
But I mean, right? People have preferred tool brands. So is it that surprising?
626
00:38:20,061 --> 00:38:24,601
Oh, you're right. There's so many different like electric drills and whatnot.
627
00:38:24,701 --> 00:38:26,241
That's a great perspective, Wes.
628
00:38:26,901 --> 00:38:30,741
Hybrid sarcasm comes in with 27,500 sats.
629
00:38:33,618 --> 00:38:36,578
Yeah, he is. Who's ready for LUP600?
630
00:38:36,798 --> 00:38:40,578
The Central Florida Orlando Listening Party has secured a location.
631
00:38:41,638 --> 00:38:42,598
Well done.
632
00:38:43,818 --> 00:38:48,898
All the deets are at colonyevents.com. Even Mike from Coda Radio has RSVP.
633
00:38:48,998 --> 00:38:49,438
Wow.
634
00:38:49,918 --> 00:38:52,478
Isn't that great? Isn't that? It's so great.
635
00:38:52,738 --> 00:38:54,638
I think hybrid has more pull than we do.
636
00:38:55,298 --> 00:38:56,618
Yeah, sounds like it.
637
00:38:57,598 --> 00:39:01,358
All you wanting the remote meetups to be able to join on Air Mumble via LUP600?
638
00:39:01,358 --> 00:39:03,738
Quick shout out to the check-in or something like that.
639
00:39:03,918 --> 00:39:06,858
Oh, he wants us to give one. Yeah, and Hybrid's trying it today too.
640
00:39:07,538 --> 00:39:11,498
So ideally, you go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash mumble. You get the mumble
641
00:39:11,498 --> 00:39:14,698
app installed. And then you get a microphone and you get headphones on.
642
00:39:15,758 --> 00:39:19,378
And you get in the quiet listening. Or there's like a joint queue actually.
643
00:39:19,578 --> 00:39:21,358
And we'll kind of go through and make sure your mic's working.
644
00:39:21,458 --> 00:39:22,138
And then we'll bring it in.
645
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:26,138
So I think what you're saying, Chris, is for LUP600, we'd love to hear from
646
00:39:26,138 --> 00:39:30,558
a variety of the listening parties happening. Just a little quick report on
647
00:39:30,558 --> 00:39:32,338
what the scene looks like and who's that.
648
00:39:32,358 --> 00:39:36,878
Yeah, and in that case, you know, maybe it's a USB microphone and a pair of
649
00:39:36,878 --> 00:39:39,378
headphones if possible, and then, you know, people can come by and,
650
00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:41,498
or maybe headphones aren't possible. I don't know.
651
00:39:41,618 --> 00:39:45,338
But yeah, that would be perfect. We'll see how it goes. It's definitely an experiment.
652
00:39:46,078 --> 00:39:47,938
Thank you, hybrid. It's always great to hear from you.
653
00:39:48,398 --> 00:39:53,518
Why is Papa John boosted with 22,222 sets?
654
00:39:56,693 --> 00:40:01,713
Plus, one for the Tuxies, I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't vote in 2024.
655
00:40:02,373 --> 00:40:05,773
I was away from podcasts for a few months and I'm just getting caught up.
656
00:40:05,993 --> 00:40:08,753
The Tuxies finally convinced me to set up Image, though.
657
00:40:09,313 --> 00:40:13,753
What do you guys use for monitoring server stats like CPU and hard drive temps?
658
00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:19,553
Unraid has temps in its GUI, but I'd love to pipe that data into somewhere that I'll actually see it.
659
00:40:20,613 --> 00:40:24,353
Thanks for all the great work. I plan on messing around with CacheOS and maybe
660
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even a little bit of NixOS sometime soon.
661
00:40:27,253 --> 00:40:30,453
Oh, wise Papa John. We would love to hear your thoughts on that.
662
00:40:30,713 --> 00:40:33,733
And don't ever worry about falling behind and boosting on an old topic.
663
00:40:34,893 --> 00:40:39,033
A, it is good signal for us to know where the audience is at in the listening backlog.
664
00:40:39,593 --> 00:40:43,533
So when people boost from an old episode, it's good for us to know where people
665
00:40:43,533 --> 00:40:46,833
are at. Just from like a content release schedule so we know what our expectations are.
666
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:50,893
But two, a good topic is always what we're talking about. So don't ever feel
667
00:40:50,893 --> 00:40:53,413
bad about coming in on something from a previous episode.
668
00:40:54,253 --> 00:40:58,113
And I would love to hear your thoughts if you do try Cashi or NixOS.
669
00:40:58,813 --> 00:41:03,793
The Tuxies I often hear have been how people like finally decide I'm going to go try that thing.
670
00:41:03,933 --> 00:41:07,673
So we are working on something and I'm liking what's cooking.
671
00:41:08,573 --> 00:41:12,293
We don't have a full recipe yet for next year's Tuxies, but if it does,
672
00:41:12,393 --> 00:41:15,833
if we pull it off, it's going to be different, but hopefully better at a whole
673
00:41:15,833 --> 00:41:17,173
new level. I think, right?
674
00:41:17,773 --> 00:41:19,653
Yeah, I think so. thank.
675
00:41:19,653 --> 00:41:20,293
You wise papa john.
676
00:41:20,293 --> 00:41:24,473
Also thank you papa john uh sent a second boost just to let me know that my
677
00:41:24,473 --> 00:41:29,053
split failed so just thank you for the info and uh sorry about that i will rejuggle
678
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:35,333
some liquidity after i got a channel class i know i won't i'm motivated to fix that all.
679
00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:36,173
Right all right.
680
00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:43,053
Well distro stew was motivated sent in five boosts for a total of 20 301 sats,
681
00:41:45,572 --> 00:41:49,612
Per your year-end prediction about a major platform rolling out a declarative
682
00:41:49,612 --> 00:41:51,332
system, I think it's coming.
683
00:41:51,552 --> 00:41:54,612
I've been playing with some small but interesting projects around this.
684
00:41:54,692 --> 00:42:01,552
For example, there's a Metapack, there is also Deckman, and a ConfManager.
685
00:42:02,392 --> 00:42:05,192
All have different takes on the solution, but I like where they're going.
686
00:42:05,632 --> 00:42:09,232
So just checking out Metapack here, it looks like it's a declarative package
687
00:42:09,232 --> 00:42:13,072
manager, multi-back-end declarative package manager, hence the name.
688
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:16,972
This allows you to maintain consistent packages across multiple machines,
689
00:42:16,972 --> 00:42:21,712
setting up a new system with preferred packages, with your preferred package managers.
690
00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:25,912
It makes it much easier. So it sounds almost like a meta package manager,
691
00:42:26,052 --> 00:42:27,192
which seems to make sense.
692
00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:31,272
I don't know if this quite qualifies, but I'm inclined to want it to,
693
00:42:31,432 --> 00:42:33,012
so I'm definitely going to look into it.
694
00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:37,892
It is active. It's been, yeah, there's people doing stuff around there,
695
00:42:37,952 --> 00:42:39,972
and it looks like it's been around for at least two years.
696
00:42:39,972 --> 00:42:43,892
And a quick follow-up to our previous boost because we totally forgot to actually
697
00:42:43,892 --> 00:42:46,372
answer what do we use to monitor things like.
698
00:42:46,372 --> 00:42:47,112
Cpu and.
699
00:42:47,112 --> 00:42:47,912
Hard drives and.
700
00:42:47,912 --> 00:42:51,272
Temperatures we did um well yeah net.
701
00:42:51,272 --> 00:42:55,752
Data for a long time uh although there's been some troubling developments there
702
00:42:55,752 --> 00:42:59,952
recently oh there you guys on self-hosted talked about a great little option
703
00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:01,532
that's relatively new with bezel right.
704
00:43:01,532 --> 00:43:04,352
Yep i would say the last episode and the
705
00:43:04,352 --> 00:43:07,652
episode before that really the episode before that we get into it and then we
706
00:43:07,652 --> 00:43:11,092
have a brief follow-up at the top of the most recent episode of self-hosted
707
00:43:11,092 --> 00:43:15,172
so the last two episodes kind of get into this topic uh net data is still probably
708
00:43:15,172 --> 00:43:22,692
my favorite but uh you know bizall is a little bit lighter a little bit more limited um but also,
709
00:43:23,292 --> 00:43:27,992
just totally free and open isn't trying to go for like a you know like a cloud monetization strategy.
710
00:43:27,992 --> 00:43:31,552
Depending on like retention needs and scale you know you can do like a cloud
711
00:43:31,552 --> 00:43:35,612
native thing with the prometheus agent and prometheus and grafana or something
712
00:43:35,612 --> 00:43:38,712
like that or influx db is is totally fine too.
713
00:43:38,712 --> 00:43:42,192
This is an area i would love to also take in input from the audience if there's
714
00:43:42,192 --> 00:43:45,372
other cool tools out there some real cool tools that do this that i don't know
715
00:43:45,372 --> 00:43:46,812
about that kind of do the net data thing.
716
00:43:47,676 --> 00:43:48,736
There's a lot of options.
717
00:43:48,876 --> 00:43:50,296
I know, but there's got to be some good ones.
718
00:43:50,376 --> 00:43:53,456
I am sure the audience has some killer picks in this area.
719
00:43:53,896 --> 00:43:58,956
Gene Bean comes in with a row of Nix. I don't get not touching your Nix config.
720
00:43:59,156 --> 00:44:03,856
I'm always using new tools and doing new stuff, and therefore I mess with my config a lot.
721
00:44:03,976 --> 00:44:08,016
Additionally, I keep most things in Nix because my system isn't reproducible otherwise.
722
00:44:08,196 --> 00:44:11,456
As a result, I forget to document something otherwise. Yeah,
723
00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:12,316
that's true. That's a good point.
724
00:44:12,756 --> 00:44:16,776
That is the nice self-documenting. If I set up VMI flag, I won't forget about
725
00:44:16,776 --> 00:44:23,236
it. You can check out github.com slash gene beans slash dots for my commit history, for example.
726
00:44:23,476 --> 00:44:25,776
That's cool, Gene. Thank you. I will check that out.
727
00:44:27,036 --> 00:44:31,196
Yeah, why have I not? I still have not checked my configs.
728
00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:34,656
Well, I think I was thinking about this because I saw the boost come in.
729
00:44:34,856 --> 00:44:38,376
And I think to some extent we were almost saying, you know, like Gene isn't
730
00:44:38,376 --> 00:44:40,656
running into the problems that some other folks are seemingly.
731
00:44:41,036 --> 00:44:45,236
So we were kind of addressing problems maybe that Gene isn't having to the same extent.
732
00:44:45,236 --> 00:44:48,996
And I do touch my config, but it's mostly like a creative in terms of adding
733
00:44:48,996 --> 00:44:54,076
a few packages or tweaking an option on, which felt maybe qualitatively different
734
00:44:54,076 --> 00:44:56,556
than what, like, the article we were talking about in terms of,
735
00:44:56,616 --> 00:44:58,836
like, struggling and fighting with their config.
736
00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:02,376
You know, like, actually, like, I'm debugging or something, which is very different
737
00:45:02,376 --> 00:45:03,536
than just, like, adding a package.
738
00:45:03,676 --> 00:45:06,516
I agree. Like, when I was getting the Thalia going again and I just,
739
00:45:06,696 --> 00:45:08,836
like, commented out the sound stuff, enable sound.
740
00:45:09,976 --> 00:45:13,716
Versus, like, writing a new helper function to set up config for multi-machine or something.
741
00:45:13,716 --> 00:45:16,876
But in the last episode, when we talked about when we last touched our configs,
742
00:45:16,936 --> 00:45:20,276
I was literally using the last modified date, which is December for me.
743
00:45:20,636 --> 00:45:25,256
And I just think I get to a point where a system is pretty set up.
744
00:45:25,316 --> 00:45:31,156
And then anything that I add, I either do via Nix shell just to try it out or a flat pack.
745
00:45:31,696 --> 00:45:35,476
Yeah. And you, uh, you are, you do use Nix shell. And I was going to say from
746
00:45:35,476 --> 00:45:39,896
seeing some of your Nix configs, I would say you have already accumulated a
747
00:45:39,896 --> 00:45:43,136
lot. Like you probably have 95% of the tools you're going to use at all. Yeah.
748
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:48,330
Yeah, I really do. You know, that's the one thing about using it every day for so many years.
749
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:52,050
You're going with like the six gig everything installed version of Ubuntu.
750
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:53,990
It's minimal in my own way.
751
00:45:55,330 --> 00:46:00,530
But that's also been the promise of a Nix config was that the things you solved
752
00:46:00,530 --> 00:46:03,630
would just pay dividends in the future.
753
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:10,190
So, yeah, you put a bunch of upfront time, but then it gets less and less and less as time moves on.
754
00:46:10,310 --> 00:46:13,570
And I've seen that at least to be true in my particular use case.
755
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:17,410
Yeah. I wonder though, perhaps, I mean, I'm looking at Gene's setup here.
756
00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:22,050
You know, he, I mean, I think he's just learning. And as he learns,
757
00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:24,110
he's kind of refactoring and building it better.
758
00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:26,670
And so that's why he's touching it more frequently, where I've kind of just
759
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:28,090
been like, ah, it's working.
760
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:31,090
Yeah, that makes sense too. You can be kind of, there's different modes that you end up in.
761
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:31,430
Yeah.
762
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:33,170
And if you're actively developing.
763
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:34,270
Thank you, Gene.
764
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:38,110
I will say too, something that works okay for me is if I'm going to like make
765
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:40,390
a trade-off between like I was going to try to manage the Nix,
766
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:41,610
but right now I'm going to just not,
767
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:45,590
is sometimes I'll just leave comments in my, somewhere in my Nix so that they're
768
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:50,330
documented there of, hey, I'm managing this elsewhere. Right. Warning.
769
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:51,250
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
770
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:55,190
I caught my brother with his Nix config, like he was making a few changes and
771
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:58,410
I was just looking over his shoulder and there's a bunch of to-do items in his
772
00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:00,210
Nix configs, like figure this out later.
773
00:47:00,690 --> 00:47:02,550
So I think that's a really nice approach too.
774
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:05,410
Shapira May. Huh? What do you guys think?
775
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:05,750
Yeah!
776
00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:11,670
Shapira May boosts in with 4,321 sats.
777
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:17,850
Hello! Talking about NixOS, have you guys checked out Replit.com?
778
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:21,850
It's an online development platform that gives you a virtual machine with pre-installed
779
00:47:21,850 --> 00:47:26,350
Nix packages, depending on what language you want, and it's basically an in-browser IDE.
780
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:30,890
Most of their codebase is MIT-licensed. I've been using it for some years now
781
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:34,410
And it's a really nice way to dip your toes into Nix You know,
782
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:38,690
I've tried it a little while ago I've used it a few times But I hadn't actually
783
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:41,170
thought about using it with Nix That's great Yeah.
784
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:47,350
Thank you for the tip I have to admit, slipped my purvey My purvey Okay.
785
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:49,550
Here's a fun question Okay Follow-up boost All right,
786
00:47:50,238 --> 00:47:51,558
So about the old to-do list.
787
00:47:51,698 --> 00:47:51,818
Yeah.
788
00:47:52,038 --> 00:47:54,038
Do you ever have moments when you're in the shower?
789
00:47:54,358 --> 00:47:54,538
Yes.
790
00:47:54,658 --> 00:47:57,538
Some situation where you just like can't get to your phone or a notepad.
791
00:47:57,658 --> 00:47:57,838
Yes.
792
00:47:58,018 --> 00:48:01,738
And you remember something you have to do and an idea you really want to capture.
793
00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:02,178
Yes.
794
00:48:02,758 --> 00:48:06,718
Do you have a solution for that? Shower Linux, please.
795
00:48:08,298 --> 00:48:13,698
You know, I've thought about this so many times. So I do sometimes bring my
796
00:48:13,698 --> 00:48:18,458
phone into the shower now and I have kind of above the shower, I put a magnetic mount.
797
00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:22,838
and then I just slap the phone up there and it doesn't really get wet and then
798
00:48:22,838 --> 00:48:27,738
if I have to, I can document it and that's just because I've really lost some good ones.
799
00:48:28,038 --> 00:48:32,358
I've lost some real good idea babies and I do not want to lose any more idea babies.
800
00:48:32,778 --> 00:48:35,558
So I do that, but I have thought about the whiteboard thing.
801
00:48:35,658 --> 00:48:39,118
I know that's another route people go. Brent, how do you capture your best shower thoughts?
802
00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:43,458
Well, I would say the shower is definitely like my sacred think tank,
803
00:48:43,458 --> 00:48:48,658
but I've gone full psychopath mode and I got a permanent waterproof marker and
804
00:48:48,658 --> 00:48:49,798
I just write stuff on the walls.
805
00:48:49,958 --> 00:48:52,558
And so if you saw my washroom, it just is scary.
806
00:48:52,678 --> 00:48:53,858
Oh my God, are you serious?
807
00:48:54,038 --> 00:48:54,758
Will you take a picture.
808
00:48:54,858 --> 00:48:54,998
Please?
809
00:48:55,018 --> 00:48:57,338
No, I'm not serious. Oh my God, that's good.
810
00:48:57,498 --> 00:48:58,638
Brett. I love that visual.
811
00:48:58,898 --> 00:49:04,358
But I have certainly thought of it because like really if I'm in this like deep
812
00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:07,118
thinking mode, which happens for me all the time in the shower,
813
00:49:07,318 --> 00:49:09,618
I want the simplest solution possible.
814
00:49:09,698 --> 00:49:14,238
So even the fact of like picking up my phone and having to unlock it with wet
815
00:49:14,238 --> 00:49:18,578
hands and then finding the app and then creating a new note that is somehow
816
00:49:18,578 --> 00:49:22,338
categorized and then writing the thing is that's too much friction.
817
00:49:22,578 --> 00:49:25,918
So I would love something simple. I've heard of people having just like a,
818
00:49:25,918 --> 00:49:30,398
a stick on waterproof notepad that they can have in the shower,
819
00:49:30,518 --> 00:49:32,578
just like to temporarily document it there.
820
00:49:32,698 --> 00:49:35,598
And then once you've, I don't know, dry off, you can figure out where else to put it.
821
00:49:35,798 --> 00:49:39,218
Uh, but I would love to hear some solutions to this because yeah,
822
00:49:39,378 --> 00:49:44,158
they're all just vanishing thoughts unless I can somehow hold on to them, which never happens.
823
00:49:44,789 --> 00:49:48,569
It is a real shame. My other one is driving.
824
00:49:49,149 --> 00:49:52,829
Again, I don't have a great system for that. I can sometimes capture on the phone.
825
00:49:53,029 --> 00:49:53,509
Yeah, sometimes.
826
00:49:53,749 --> 00:49:55,509
Do you have a way to capture great shower thoughts?
827
00:49:56,089 --> 00:50:00,609
No, I've been thinking about this. And the car, I think the car one gets me more often.
828
00:50:00,929 --> 00:50:03,809
Yeah. I can imagine you're driving up to the studio. You've got like an hour.
829
00:50:04,029 --> 00:50:08,109
Somehow the shower, I have a little, it's like I can, if I'm willing to stop
830
00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:10,529
the thread, I can kind of keep the insight.
831
00:50:11,289 --> 00:50:16,969
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely have been like rushed the shower a little bit,
832
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:20,409
finished up, and then like dried off quickly, got down and just wrote it down
833
00:50:20,409 --> 00:50:23,329
and then got back to finishing up to, you know, the whole shower routine.
834
00:50:23,729 --> 00:50:26,869
Too much information, but I would love to know how people are capturing that.
835
00:50:28,229 --> 00:50:31,269
I'm taking a lot of different sacrifices. Nothing's working.
836
00:50:31,469 --> 00:50:33,849
Can you do like whiteboard paint on your shower wall?
837
00:50:34,249 --> 00:50:37,329
I like that. Brett was thinking permanent marker, which I think I would have a good idea.
838
00:50:37,669 --> 00:50:40,269
But I also don't want it to be permanent, so I don't know.
839
00:50:42,029 --> 00:50:47,329
Somewhat Justin came in with 4,000 and 4sats. It says he just wanted to say,
840
00:50:47,849 --> 00:50:49,349
thank you for your mention of Bazite.
841
00:50:49,469 --> 00:50:53,549
I picked up an Asus RIG Raleigh. Oh, that's the machine my son has.
842
00:50:53,869 --> 00:50:56,709
On sale, and thanks to the show, I already knew I needed some Linux,
843
00:50:56,849 --> 00:51:00,349
and Bazite was a great option. What a perfect match for that laptop.
844
00:51:00,549 --> 00:51:00,789
Nice.
845
00:51:01,029 --> 00:51:04,569
Those things are really meant for gaming. Good call. The install was fairly
846
00:51:04,569 --> 00:51:06,649
easy, according to the benchmarks.
847
00:51:06,809 --> 00:51:09,209
It seems to perform better than the default OS, which was Windows.
848
00:51:09,409 --> 00:51:09,889
That's great.
849
00:51:10,089 --> 00:51:10,469
I'm not surprised.
850
00:51:10,469 --> 00:51:14,069
These handhelds are so fun, excited for the coverage of SteamOS.
851
00:51:14,249 --> 00:51:16,029
Oh, man, I'm so excited to see where SteamOS goes, too.
852
00:51:16,469 --> 00:51:19,009
When it starts getting distributed, which they've kind of been hinting at,
853
00:51:19,129 --> 00:51:20,529
we're going to be all over that.
854
00:51:20,789 --> 00:51:22,129
Maybe we could use it to run a server.
855
00:51:22,989 --> 00:51:24,329
Of course we're going to try.
856
00:51:25,269 --> 00:51:28,909
Wham Geek boosts in with 6,444 sets.
857
00:51:33,643 --> 00:51:37,783
Hey guys, when I hear tuxies, I always think of the Oscars.
858
00:51:38,003 --> 00:51:43,923
So I'd like to suggest aligning the annual tuxies to occur on the same day as the Oscars.
859
00:51:44,363 --> 00:51:46,063
Put our tuxes on and everything?
860
00:51:46,403 --> 00:51:47,803
Like we don't already.
861
00:51:48,003 --> 00:51:53,163
Right. This moves them maybe away from the holiday season, but it keeps it a
862
00:51:53,163 --> 00:51:55,323
night of celebration and fanfare.
863
00:51:55,883 --> 00:51:59,323
Pairing the two adds a layer of fun spotlighting open source achievements alongside,
864
00:51:59,363 --> 00:52:03,903
you know, mainstream culture. Plus it taps into the shared excitement of awards season.
865
00:52:04,143 --> 00:52:09,823
You know, the only flaw here is it actually almost be kind of fun in a way to
866
00:52:09,823 --> 00:52:12,563
do it the old way one last time.
867
00:52:13,803 --> 00:52:15,883
Because the Oscars are on March 2nd.
868
00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:16,583
Oh.
869
00:52:19,243 --> 00:52:23,463
Yeah. But if we could get, because all we'd have to do, I wonder,
870
00:52:23,603 --> 00:52:26,883
could we rejigger the survey a little bit and just do it one last time for fun?
871
00:52:27,523 --> 00:52:28,843
Now I almost want to do it.
872
00:52:28,843 --> 00:52:29,863
Isn't that weird? What's the cost?
873
00:52:29,863 --> 00:52:33,723
What is wrong with me? I want to kill it, and then now I want to do it again.
874
00:52:34,143 --> 00:52:35,403
Well, because the stakes are different.
875
00:52:35,803 --> 00:52:39,483
You're right. You're right. I'd almost be willing to do it if people are interested.
876
00:52:40,523 --> 00:52:43,483
Just ironically, almost. Like the spring tuxies.
877
00:52:43,643 --> 00:52:45,303
We'll boost in for $600 a week.
878
00:52:45,523 --> 00:52:47,023
Yeah, we'll figure it out. Let us know if you're interested,
879
00:52:47,143 --> 00:52:50,783
because otherwise maybe I'm just being a jackass. It really is a stupid idea.
880
00:52:51,603 --> 00:52:56,403
But it is, right? It's the dumbest idea I've had in weeks, isn't it? Don't you think?
881
00:52:56,643 --> 00:52:58,383
I think it is. I have to go check the notes.
882
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You've had a lot of ideas this week.
883
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Both of you. Boy, I've had a bad week apparently.
884
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Amazing. Amazing. Outing me right now on this show.
885
00:53:10,423 --> 00:53:13,463
Thank you, everybody, who boosted in. We really appreciate it.
886
00:53:13,563 --> 00:53:15,543
Also, thank you, everybody, who streamed sats as you listen.
887
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38 of you streamed those sats. And collectively, y'all stacked 56,449 sats.
888
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And then when you combine that with our boosters, we had 47 people participate
889
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in the value for value process for episode 599.
890
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And collectively, we stacked 363,195 sats for the show. Thank you, everybody, very much.
891
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We have links to Strike and Fountain. Fountain is a new podcast app.
892
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You can also listen to our live stream.
893
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You can see our pending episodes in there. And there's more features coming
894
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to the show soon that'll be available to podcasting 2.0 apps.
895
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So there'll be even more reasons to listen to Linux Unplugged in a new podcast app.
896
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Newpodcastapps.com for all of them. And thank you everybody,
897
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including our members who supported episode 599.
898
00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:20,230
All right. So for our pick segment this week, we have two picks.
899
00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:24,010
We've been really just coming in with the picks hot and heavy recently.
900
00:54:24,190 --> 00:54:26,010
There's just so many good apps.
901
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:29,370
It's mostly a pick-based show, and then we do some other segments on the side.
902
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:32,570
I think if anybody skips this, they're missing out, especially the last few
903
00:54:32,570 --> 00:54:36,590
weeks. And I think one of you found Olive Tin this week.
904
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:38,590
No, no. It came from a booster last week.
905
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:42,590
Oh, oh, oh, oh. Right. And we wanted to make sure we kind of brought it forward again.
906
00:54:42,670 --> 00:54:47,350
So Olive Tin is a safe and simple access to predefined shell commands from a
907
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:52,610
web interface and so picture a interface that would work with big buttons on
908
00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:57,090
a mobile device or on your desktop and you have just things like ping the internet
909
00:54:57,090 --> 00:55:02,570
or check d message logs delete old backups restart a docker container just buttons to do stuff.
910
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:04,850
You combine that with a mesh network and bam.
911
00:55:04,850 --> 00:55:09,530
Yeah or um you know i could see on my tablets there could be like a little like
912
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:13,990
hey wife i need you to take care of stuff screen and it brings this up and there's
913
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:16,950
buttons where she hits a button and it restarts the server channel you know
914
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:18,750
i like that i could just be.
915
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:20,270
Paired with your stream deck for instance.
916
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:24,350
Could totes you could totes probably do that hmm i
917
00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:27,090
would like physical buttons so that could be kind of nice all right
918
00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:30,770
and then this next pick is open tv and
919
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:33,890
i have really been enjoying ersatz
920
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:37,770
tv which lets me have a television network
921
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:40,710
inside my home you create custom
922
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:43,930
live channels using your own local media and they
923
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:46,650
show up as iptv streams and you
924
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:49,590
can have different iptv players that can pull in like
925
00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:54,890
the scheduling data ersatz also generates scheduling data so i can see when
926
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:59,090
seinfeld's playing and star trek the next generation and roseanne and i've got
927
00:55:59,090 --> 00:56:03,470
the 1980s battle star galactica on there because it's just great and retro like
928
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:07,410
it's it is like having your own cable TV network inside your own home.
929
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:11,490
We've talked about it before and we haven't really mentioned a great way.
930
00:56:12,392 --> 00:56:14,512
to enjoy this on your desktop.
931
00:56:14,832 --> 00:56:17,492
I don't want to have to set up Jellyfin just to enjoy.
932
00:56:17,732 --> 00:56:22,372
That is, yeah. Or like maybe you could tune VLC into one of the particular streams if you're a maniac.
933
00:56:23,792 --> 00:56:28,152
OpenTV has been recently rewritten, and they're also making a plea for contributions
934
00:56:28,152 --> 00:56:30,152
via GitHub, Patreon, PayPal, or Crypto.
935
00:56:30,872 --> 00:56:35,512
But it is a desktop app that runs on the various desktop operating systems that
936
00:56:35,512 --> 00:56:38,072
gives you a front end to any IPTV system.
937
00:56:38,412 --> 00:56:41,072
It doesn't have to be URSATS TV, but that's what I'm using it for.
938
00:56:41,072 --> 00:56:42,712
Yeah, this looks pretty sleek.
939
00:56:42,932 --> 00:56:49,752
And it is a DVR as well. So it'll import the M3U file and the metadata for the playlist.
940
00:56:49,952 --> 00:56:53,232
It'll record while you're watching. It can record multiple streams at once.
941
00:56:53,712 --> 00:56:59,032
They have crazy optimize it for super low RAM usage with really fast UI.
942
00:56:59,572 --> 00:57:03,932
Okay, well, now I want to try this for me to like record my favorite hits from your ersatz stream.
943
00:57:04,032 --> 00:57:10,292
Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's also a surprising amount of public IPTV streams.
944
00:57:10,292 --> 00:57:11,192
Yeah, that's true.
945
00:57:11,432 --> 00:57:15,712
Especially like Europe news. Like there's a lot of European news stations that
946
00:57:15,712 --> 00:57:18,052
just make an IPTV stream of their station.
947
00:57:18,932 --> 00:57:21,292
There's not as many in the States, but there are a couple.
948
00:57:23,472 --> 00:57:26,272
And there's a couple of public broadcast stations that do it as well.
949
00:57:26,312 --> 00:57:28,472
So you don't even have to have any service in particular.
950
00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:32,972
But if you have AirSats TV and you want something to watch it and DVR on your
951
00:57:32,972 --> 00:57:36,352
desktop, you can use OpenTV to sit in front of that.
952
00:57:36,352 --> 00:57:41,372
And it's just a really nice app that just plugs in to that whole ecosystem,
953
00:57:41,372 --> 00:57:46,692
the M3U file, the XML playlist, as well as then also the back-end recording.
954
00:57:46,852 --> 00:57:49,112
And then they've optimized it to be super fast and responsive.
955
00:57:49,412 --> 00:57:55,152
So it's open-tv, and we'll have links in the show notes over at linuxunplugged.com slash 599.
956
00:57:55,212 --> 00:57:58,572
While we're here, license check. What are our pick licenses today?
957
00:57:58,972 --> 00:58:02,372
Oh, you're right. Thank you. I've been, you know what? I've been really trying to.
958
00:58:02,372 --> 00:58:04,152
We've been hit or miss, but we're trying.
959
00:58:04,232 --> 00:58:07,592
I've been trying to add them to the notes. I did not add them to the notes this week.
960
00:58:07,772 --> 00:58:13,132
Well, I can report on Olivetan here. It looks like we've got a, Olivetan is AGPL 3.0.
961
00:58:13,592 --> 00:58:18,312
Very, very nice. And Open TV is GPL 2.
962
00:58:18,812 --> 00:58:24,472
So we got some very, very fussy picks for you this week. Very nice. Thank you, Wes.
963
00:58:24,972 --> 00:58:28,432
I should have noted that in the notes. I need to have like a checklist of picks now.
964
00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:29,832
Yeah, maybe we should add it to the template.
965
00:58:30,052 --> 00:58:31,912
Yeah, that is a great idea.
966
00:58:31,952 --> 00:58:32,172
I'll do that.
967
00:58:32,512 --> 00:58:35,552
Well, it looks like your ersatz TV here is a license. I'm not sure about.
968
00:58:35,752 --> 00:58:37,532
Zlib license? Have you heard of this one before?
969
00:58:38,152 --> 00:58:39,492
Better check the FSF list.
970
00:58:39,612 --> 00:58:42,392
I mean, I know Zlib. I like Zlib a lot.
971
00:58:43,358 --> 00:58:46,298
It's extremely simple. It's four paragraphs, not even.
972
00:58:46,498 --> 00:58:46,758
Really?
973
00:58:47,138 --> 00:58:50,018
Yeah, worth looking at. I don't know if this applies, but.
974
00:58:51,418 --> 00:58:53,498
I don't know if the SFF would approve.
975
00:58:53,878 --> 00:58:55,238
Yeah, see, this is paying dividends already.
976
00:58:56,418 --> 00:59:02,018
Remember, we want to hear your thoughts on if you would be willing to crowdfund
977
00:59:02,018 --> 00:59:05,278
either the Mecha Comet or the Librex Nex.
978
00:59:06,058 --> 00:59:11,018
Have you been sufficiently burned? Or is the dream of a Linux phone still alive
979
00:59:11,018 --> 00:59:13,398
in your heart? I genuinely would like to know.
980
00:59:13,698 --> 00:59:16,878
And then ultimately, we need your guidance on the FreeBSD challenge.
981
00:59:17,038 --> 00:59:18,138
Are you willing to participate?
982
00:59:19,578 --> 00:59:23,298
What requirements or rules should we follow that we haven't mentioned in the show already?
983
00:59:24,318 --> 00:59:28,278
And any kind of notes or details that we should know as Linux guys that are
984
00:59:28,278 --> 00:59:30,598
going to be using FreeBSD for the first time in a long time,
985
00:59:30,678 --> 00:59:32,358
or in Brent's case, the very first time.
986
00:59:32,958 --> 00:59:36,778
I feel like that's a big thing to bite off. So please let us know.
987
00:59:36,878 --> 00:59:39,358
And episode 600 would be a great episode to bring all that in.
988
00:59:39,358 --> 00:59:43,598
So we'll try to collate all of that and have it for you and review it before the next episode.
989
00:59:47,618 --> 00:59:51,038
Technically, we're going back to the original time, noon Pacific, 3 p.m.
990
00:59:51,318 --> 00:59:53,798
Eastern. So we'll be live at our regular time. And of course,
991
00:59:53,838 --> 00:59:56,938
if you're in a podcasting 2.0 app, it'll be in your stream.
992
00:59:57,918 --> 01:00:00,858
And well before the show starts, we always open up Mumble.
993
01:00:01,018 --> 01:00:04,358
We'll help you troubleshoot your audio issues, you know, making sure everything's
994
01:00:04,358 --> 01:00:06,498
working and you get to listen in on the stream too.
995
01:00:06,498 --> 01:00:09,638
Plus, I don't know, you know, maybe you can't make every live stream.
996
01:00:09,778 --> 01:00:11,838
I bet 600 is going to be especially fun.
997
01:00:12,078 --> 01:00:15,058
Yeah. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode.
998
01:00:15,738 --> 01:00:19,058
Even if it's not 600, we still had a good time. We hope you did too.
999
01:00:19,298 --> 01:00:22,458
And of course, links to what we talked about there at slash 599.
1000
01:00:22,858 --> 01:00:26,858
Thank you so much. And we'll see you right back here next Tuesday as in Sunday.
1001
01:01:09,258 --> 01:01:12,998
Whoa! Some breaking news. That was a news eagle.
1002
01:01:13,558 --> 01:01:16,718
Yeah, this month Deepin25 came out, which is a distro.
1003
01:01:16,758 --> 01:01:22,358
We don't really follow that closely, but they are implementing some big steps
1004
01:01:22,358 --> 01:01:24,958
towards immutability powered by OS3.
1005
01:01:25,098 --> 01:01:25,398
No!
1006
01:01:25,538 --> 01:01:27,298
And in their own system, they're calling Solid.
1007
01:01:27,718 --> 01:01:28,718
Deepin's going immutable?
1008
01:01:28,858 --> 01:01:29,638
Yeah, and Atomic.
1009
01:01:30,038 --> 01:01:31,638
I gotta look this up. Where is this?
1010
01:01:32,138 --> 01:01:36,998
It's in the release notes for 25. But yeah, they're mounting the core directories
1011
01:01:36,998 --> 01:01:39,238
read only. This is powered by OS tree.
1012
01:01:39,418 --> 01:01:43,098
And then they're doing the like, you know, atomic style reboot into the new system approach.
1013
01:01:43,518 --> 01:01:46,918
I don't know if it's like for everything, but they're at least starting to adopt it.
1014
01:01:47,478 --> 01:01:51,558
The solid, the deep and immutable system focuses on the stability and security of the system.
1015
01:01:51,698 --> 01:01:56,018
It provides users with a stable, reliable, and easy to maintain experience through
1016
01:01:56,018 --> 01:01:59,318
the technology such as read-only protection, atomic updates,
1017
01:01:59,458 --> 01:02:00,998
and snapshot management.
1018
01:02:01,238 --> 01:02:03,578
Yeah. And it's also got the like, you know, if it fails to boot,
1019
01:02:03,658 --> 01:02:08,618
it'll automatically roll back to the previous version. It's happening folks It's happening.
1020
01:02:08,618 --> 01:02:11,218
I mean it's just a better way to compute Come on.