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Welcome to this episode of the Life Work Podcast.
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And today we are joined by Kendall Davenport Lane.
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Is that correct?
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That's correct.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you so much.
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So um I've been watching you.
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Oh no.
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I know that, yes.
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And I alluded to this before we started that I've been watching you in your previous.
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Okay, so I'm going to back up here.
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What brought you to Williams this time?
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And then I'm going to talk about what brought you to Williams the first time.
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Okay, well, this time was unexpected, unlike the first time.
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Okay.
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But this time I had a I was working um school-based mental health therapy.
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Okay.
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And I'm in my um supervision right now.
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Okay.
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And so I had a supervisor.
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So tell everybody what it is you're talking about.
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You are doing what for a living?
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Professional counselor?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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I'm a licensed pro I'm a licensed associate counselor and I'm working towards becoming a licensed professional counselor.
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Okay.
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So I need two.
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So you're an amateur.
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Yes, exactly.
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I needed two years of um supervision to get my licensed professional counselor.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so um I my supervisor for that, she actually brought up the idea um of me, you know, looking into Williams.
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And I was like, okay, well, I have no experience.
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I never taught.
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So she knew about the position on our faculty here before you did.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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And actually, I really thought that it was an adjunct position.
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And so I was thinking, okay, you know, I'll look into it a little bit as an adjunct.
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And then I contacted um Dr.
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Val for more information.
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And he was like, no, this is full time.
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And I was like, oh, well, you know, like, I don't know if I'm qualified.
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Like I was just, I've never taught before.
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And he's like, no, no.
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He's like, just apply and see, you know, where it goes.
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And so I was like, okay.
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I had that conversation in the car.
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And then I walked in and I told my husband, I was like, yeah, I'm not doing that.
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And I'm not, the reason I was so adamant about it is because I just didn't feel qualified.
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And so um, the more that I prayed about it, um, I really struggled with it.
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And I really didn't know.
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Um, and I this might come up later, but I've always been very sure of what the Lord wants me to do.
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I've always been sure about my calling.
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And at the beginning, I was not sure about this.
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And so that was a different experience for me.
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Um, but the more that we prayed about it together, and the more that um really I I talked to my supervisor and others about it.
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I was like, okay, I'm just gonna interview, I'm gonna see where it goes.
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And I interviewed and I did feel a lot of peace about it, but I was still a little nervous because it was so unfamiliar to me.
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But um, I remember so vividly that one day I was coming home from a counseling session that I was really worried about.
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Uh I was worried um about how it would go, and then it ended up going really well.
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And I remember thinking, okay, maybe I can do counseling, maybe I'll be good at it.
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And it was as audible as it could be not audible, you know what I mean?
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Like I felt it so clearly that the Lord said, I did that whole thing and I'm calling you to go.
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And so I went home and I was like, okay, I have to go to work now.
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Yeah.
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And now I'm so happy that I chose that.
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But yeah, it was unexpected for me.
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So I mentioned to you that I've been watching you.
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Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?
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I I don't because I really don't post on social media, so I can't believe anything.
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This is from social media.
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I don't know if you were a sophomore junior or senior, but there's a video of you made about when you were a student, about why you came to Williams.
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Do you remember that?
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I do remember that now, yes.
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So vaguely.
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You know who sent me the link earlier today for me to look at it.
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You were a young student then.
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So, freshman, sophomore, junior, where were you in that?
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Senior?
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Yes, it was my senior job.
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We overlapped two months.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I got here and you said, I'm done with this place.
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Norman's here, and you left, you walked.
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I did.
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I left.
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I left the country.
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Okay.
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It was that bad.
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You couldn't get away.
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I can't get away far enough, fast enough.
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Yeah.
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You left the country.
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What happened there?
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Well, do you want to talk about the video or what which part of it?
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Well, tell yeah, go ahead and talk about the video.
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Okay.
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I think the video was talking about my junior year, my first semester.
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Uh did the hands-on program with the IMB.
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You did do that, yeah.
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It was a fantastic experience, um, which is um why I came to Williams in the first place.
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Yes, it is, because you talk about missions and coming to Williams to learn about missions, to do missions and to serve on the mission field.
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Yes.
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And then that was the video.
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It was a very brief video.
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And then you went from there, graduated, and you went to the mission field, right?
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I did, yes.
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I spent um two years in South Asia um with the with the IMB, and that was a fantastic experience.
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It was difficult because um what did you do on the mission field?
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Well, we um I'm trying to think of what all I can say, but we did a lot of discipleship, a lot of um evangelism, a lot of mapping.
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Um so figuring out where people are.
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Yes.
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And um yeah, a lot of um a lot of work on college campuses um with college students.
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And the reason you have to being a little vague here is it's a restricted area.
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Yes.
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Yes, yes, so you can't just I can't say everything I want to say.
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Sure, sure.
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And you did that for two years.
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Two years.
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I came back um June of 2020 and said you came back off that.
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What were you thinking?
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Like I'm going back, or that that fulfilled a sense of this season of my life kind of calling now on to the next thing, or what were you thinking?
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It was really kind of an identity crisis for me, honestly, because I had my whole life I was planning to do missions.
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Um, I started when I was 16, my parents let me go um to Africa with our church.
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And um, ever since then I was just like, this is what I'm doing.
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Um and so my experience overseas was great, and it was very difficult.
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And um so when I so before I had left the field, I did have plans to come back um as a long term.
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Um it was during COVID, so I came back and had to do a quarantine and and things like that, all of that fun thing, fun memories to think about.
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But um that time of quarantine and and that time of me coming back to the States, I felt like um the Lord had protected me from feeling all my feelings while I was over there, while I was overseas, because um because it was difficult and I had a job to do.
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And then whenever I came back, I really felt like I had time to decompress.
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And so I felt like it was not a good time for me to come back.
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Um, but I struggled with that because I didn't know if I was um disobeying the Lord because I had felt this call in my life for so long, or if I was being um prideful and thinking, like, okay, if I don't be a missionary, then I'm nothing.
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Quick, think of a high school senior you love.
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Got someone?
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Next fall is closer than you think, and Williams could be exactly what they're looking for.
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Invite them to our first fall preview day, Friday, September 25th.
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We'd love to show them around.
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Just text them the link in the show notes and say, This made me think of you.
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You should check it out.
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You know, I really struggled with that.
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Wow.
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So walk us through how you came to a place of purpose and peace through all of that.
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What did that look like?
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It was difficult, but it started with me um accepting that the Lord loves me no matter what.
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And also I I eventually through prayer and um talking to mentors and um all of that, I just felt like the Lord really gave me a choice.
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Like I because I didn't feel strongly, um I I felt like the Lord said, you can choose.
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If you want to go back, you can.
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If you want to stay, you can.
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And I don't know, that hasn't happened to me very often.
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Um and so that that was an interesting experience.
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But when I decided to stay, I took a year off of um, so I had a psychology degree um and I didn't do any schooling while I was overseas.
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Um my plan was to go back to grad school to um become a clinical mental health counselor.
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Um, but I did take a year off and I just um healed during that time.
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I just spent a lot of time um with mentors.
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I s I got plugged into a church, I got plugged into small group, I got plugged into community, um, I actually started dating my husband then too.
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Okay.
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We're gonna talk about that a little bit.
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And so that was that time was just such um the Lord spoke to me so much through that time.
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Actually, somebody that I went overseas with, she sent me a message um during all of that, and she said that she had a dream about me and that I was just um on my knees praying and that the Lord was kind of covering me in that dream.
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And I don't know, when she sent me that, it just felt very affirming.
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Like I think my biggest fear was that the Lord was mad at me or that the Lord um didn't value me as He as much as He did whenever I was doing missions.
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And so that vision was or that dream that she had, um that really helped me.
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So I don't want to put words in your mouth.
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Yeah, but as I'm listening to your story, I think if I'm understanding correctly, and you correct me if I'm wrong, is for a period or season of your life, you had this idea that you would be more acceptable to the Lord if you were a missionary than if you were something else.
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Yes, an overseas missionary specifically.
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Okay.
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That's a that's a big load to carry.
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It was.
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It was.
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That's why it took a while to process.
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So how did how did you come out of that?
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I mean that that that sense of been overseas and in thinking that way that um I'm more acceptable to the Lord if I'm overseas missionary.
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That's not happening now.
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I'm struggling with this, not so much struggling just with the call, but even deeper than that, struggling with my worth and value in Christ before God.
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Yes.
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When was a breakthrough in that?
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How how did that come?
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Or was it a moment or was it a just a period of?
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You know, um it took time because I think that that was a um belief that I had for a long time, but I didn't realize it.
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You know, I didn't I didn't necessarily recognize that in in myself and in my thinking.
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And so I wouldn't say that it was a specific time um or anything big that happened, but it would be just the continue um continuation of a daily walk with the Lord, recognizing his character, understanding um and and also being grateful for the things that he has given me in my life now and just understanding that, okay, he loves me no matter what.
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And he continues to guide me, even if it's not overseas.
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He's guided me here and he's given me opportunities here.
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And um, yeah, so he still works.
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Any any idea about how long it took you to come to a place of peace about all that?
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Yes, because it's actually so funny because I actually did just go back overseas a couple weeks ago.
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Yes.
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Um, which was a very redeeming trip for me.
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Um, I did not want to go because um there's just a lot of feelings, like I had, I mean, alluded to, there's a lot of feelings with that.
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And so I felt um, you know, because there's still there was a sense of guilt for me because um there's so much lostness in the world, and so I had felt guilty about um not going back and not because I knew the lostness, so I felt guilty for not going back.
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Um, and honestly, it was literally just this trip where I had really just felt total release of um the Lord being like, I love people here, I love people there, I have people here for you.
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You know, there's there's we have our fair share of lostness here.
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We do, we do, we do.
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And so um this the trip that I just went on was um probably where I have felt and been most honest about okay, now I feel peace about it.
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And so I don't know, 18, 19, 21, 20, 20, 4, 5, 6, 8 years.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's been a journey.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So our listeners may not know you drive a camo covered pickup truck.
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Is that right?
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No, it is not right.
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I do I know there's one in the family.
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Yes, you know, we I have tried to retire that really from him.
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So and who is the him?
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Um, my husband, Halen Lane.
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Yes, he is um known for his camo truck, which he has a lot of other good qualities, so don't let that happen.
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Oh wow.
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That apparently doesn't make the list though, does it?
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No, no, it doesn't.
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Wow.
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Well, you he had it when you met him.
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So you knew what you knew what you're getting into.
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He did, yes.
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Yes, he did.
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He had that when he was a student here.
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That's what I I remember several things about Halen, but I do remember I would pull up in the parking lot and I would see that camel truck, and I would think, that would be neat to have one.
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Really?
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No.
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I I would never use it like Halen probably has, but I just thought that's pretty cool.
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Well, really, when we started dating, he didn't have that anymore.
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So he grew and matured from that too.
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So so he doesn't have any more?
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Well, he has it, but uh, you know, he doesn't drive it.
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So what does he do with it?
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Um just sits there.
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Okay, okay.
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Just sits there.
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Is it on the market?
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I don't know, maybe.
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You want to make an offer?
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No, I don't.
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I'll I'll make an offer on that if you make an offer on my motorcycle.
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Oh no.
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Okay.
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Oh no.
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Okay, then we're at a stalemate there.
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We're at a stalemate.
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So you are now a member of the Williams Baptist University faculty.
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Yes.
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You are starting your first year in the psychology department.
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Yes.
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And what is it you're teaching for us?
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I am um assistant professor of psychology in child and family studies.
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And so I'm teaching It's a mouthful.
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It is, it is.
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Um, I'm teaching uh Gen Psych, um, intro into counseling interventions, um, American family class, and history and systems.
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So junior faculty member, first year, first semester.
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Yes.
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I'm trying to think, have you made a week yet?
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I guess today's the first week.
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Um yes, it is.
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Today's the first week.
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Survived.
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How's it going?
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It's going really well.
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I am, I I have loved it.
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And so the thing you never thought you could envision yourself doing.
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Yes.
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And you know what's crazy?
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So when I was in high school, I actually, I don't know what those things are.
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At the end of the year, whenever they vote on things about you, anyway, I got voted most likely to teach.
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And I remember thinking, I have never taught anything.
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What an odd thing.
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And there's no like there's so many other people that would want to be teachers.
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I was like so surprised that I got that.
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But I think that just shows the Lord's.
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Well, somebody in that vote was a prophet.
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Yeah.
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They called it.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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I just that whenever actually, whenever I was thinking about this job, I thought about that moment.
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And I was like, the Lord knows even then.
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You should have put that on your resume.
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You need to hire me because I was voted by my graduating class most likely to teach.
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You gotta hire me.
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I'll update it this afternoon.
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Okay, there you go.
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There you go.
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So finished your first week reflections on that experience thus far, knowing you're on the front end of the long game here.
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Um I'm excited because I've actually had several students come up to me um interested in missions, which is just so funny.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And also, um, when I first started at Williams, um, Dr.
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Rhodes was my um Gin Psych professor who was also, you know, on the mission field.
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And so That's right.
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Yeah.
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So looking back, was there any kind of uh influence of Dr.
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Rhodes upon you while you were a student here in psychology and then cultivating that love and desire for missions?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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I mean, um, I didn't start off a psych major, um, but once I took his class and he talked a lot about his missions in his class, and I was like, okay, well, I want to do missions and I like psychology, so I guess I can do both.
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How does somebody like psychology?
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Explain that to me.
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Um, you don't like learning about yourself and other people.
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Boy, you put me on the uh do I like learning about myself?
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At this point in my life, I think I have learned all I want to know.
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Yeah, it you know, it can be a wild place, the wild west in your on mine.
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So that's fun, you know.
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I really for me, um, I do love psychology.
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I love talking to people.
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Um, that's why I wanted to be a counselor because I like um, yeah, just hearing about people's experiences and so a lot of discipleship.
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So a lot of people, and I one time I thought this way, is psychology and counseling are the one and same thing.
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That if you do one, you do the other, but that's not true.
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No, it's not true.
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There are a lot of psychology majors that want nothing to do with counseling or have no interest in that.
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So help our listeners understand the interplay between the two.
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Obviously, there's a connection, but not always.
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Not always.
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Um, psychology, you can focus on research um and doing studies.
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Um, I do feel like for me, it I was always interested in the um becoming a counselor.
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I think also with the child and family studies um degree, that also gives a lot of opportunity for um people who want to do marriage and family, or even um, you know, if they plan on working at a church, you know, there's lots of pastors that obviously do um pastoral counseling and things like that.
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So it's it's good to um be able to have some kind of background in knowing how families are developed and work and you know.
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Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot here.
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I want to dig down into the relationship between psychology and counseling and missions.
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And I know this is unfair.
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I confess it on the front end, but I'm gonna go there anyway, and maybe we can talk our way through it.
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I let you talk your way through it, and I'll just listen.
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Okay.
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You love missions.
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Yes.
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You love counseling and psychology as you are on the front end of this professorial ministry.
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How are you envisioning this unfolding not two separate things?
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But I'm thinking, I'm surmising here that maybe in your mind you're seeing these converging in some way.
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What does that potentially look like that I'm going to continue in this academic discipline and this professional teaching, but I'm never letting go of the passion and the desire to be missional and to be missionary, my identity?
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That is a great question.
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Um, I think that it was very clear to me my first week so far is that there are several students that are interested in missions.
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And um Are they psychology majors or are they looking at the counseling as a major?
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Um they they I think a couple of them are freshmen.
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So I don't know.
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I think one of them was in psychology.
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Whatever their major is, it will change next semester.
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Yeah, yeah, you have freedom to change.
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But um the great part about Williams and the culture of Williams is that um you can go to your professors, you can sit down, you can talk to them, and you can have a real um conversation.
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They really are like mentors.
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Um, and I remember that from my time at Williams.
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And so um I think that that the Lord, it was just really a gift to me this week to see that um there's so many students passionate about missions, because that's me pouring into the next generation.
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And um, it is such a good opportunity for young students to do missions um because it's simpler in a lot of ways because there's not houses that they own and cars and kids and spouses, you know, they um can pick up and go more easily.
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So for me to be able to um cast vision and to encourage and to support and to pray for um to answer questions because I'm sure there's a million questions that they probably have about that.
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And um yeah I'm excited to just sit with students and help them walk through that process because I had professors that did that for me.
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And it was, I mean I still think about it today.
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So do you ever envision taking students overseas?
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You know I have not thought about that but that would be something that I'm open to would I be interested in leading them that is maybe I would be like an assistant.
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Okay.
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One or the other will work.
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Yeah yeah would you take them back to where you have previously served or would you explore other areas of service I would do both.
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I'd be interested in both okay um you know that would take some more of the Lord's like comforting and leading but let's get through this semester yeah let's do that first so I mentioned how you got here this time and I said I was going to come back to the other so I'm back to the other now how did Kendall the high school senior how did she get to Williams and when she came here what was she what were her dreams?
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What was she thinking?
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Um I'm from the area I'm from Brooklyn Really I'm from Goobertown but you know socially acceptable to say Brooklyn is it though?
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What's wrong what is unacceptable about Goobertown?
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You know it's not it was actually out of Goobertown.
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Yes that was my dad's favorite thing to say on vacation that we were from Goobertown so what kind of reactions did you get oh gosh I bet yeah yeah okay so you're a girl from Goobertown.
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Yes Goobertown Arkansas and how did you get here?
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And why did you get here?
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Well um I have always heard about Williams just because it's close and again I wanted to do missions I wanted the Christian education um I wanted the opportunity to be able to go on mission trips with the college and um just be um invested in in that way and so for me I I don't think I applied to any other colleges.
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I think I just applied to Williams.
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Wow yeah did you come in as a psych major or is that something that happened after you arrived it happened after I arrived.
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And it was in that class with Dr.
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Rose yes okay yes in my gin psych class and freshman sophomore year?
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It was my freshman year.
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Early on early on and I walked in and he started talking about all the psychology things.
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I think he even wrote in like Korean on the board and I was like wow this is interesting.
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And then he started talking about his time overseas and I was like okay yes just chasing a rabbit here how long was Dr.
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Rhodes on the mission field you recall?
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I don't know.
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Um I I I don't know I think it was years.
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Yeah it'd been a while if you can write in Korean you're you're there for a while yeah he's very smart so but yeah so what are your dreams for your program because you're part of the psychology department and that is a strong department.
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Yes it's one of our top majors five years from now what do you see yourself doing here that feels like a long ways away doesn't it um on my first week it'll be here before you know it.
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I'm hoping to um one be more comfortable well you know my thing your first year of survive yeah you're just prepping prepping prepping year two you're gonna look back and think okay redo redo redo by year three you're thinking okay this is starting to shape up in the way I want it to be so give yourself some grace here I think that my time at Williams as a student was really marked by discipleship.
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I had so many people pouring into my life I had professors I had upperclassmen um the Christian ministries department I mean I just had so many people and when I think about what I want to do and my time here I think about that and I think that I would love to pour into students um I would love to help them.
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This is such a hard time in young people's life I mean there's so many major decisions that they have to make and so to be able to listen and to use my counseling skills um not as like they're not like my clients but just the skills that I've learned um to help navigate them, guide them, support them, pray for them that's what I'm excited about.
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Me too.
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You are well suited and well prepared to do that very thing.
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And I'm looking forward to seeing how the Lord uses you in discipling our students for service as a missionary service somehow with a psychology major or just in general thank you.
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We're we're gonna be better for you being here.
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We're grateful the Lord led you here twice.
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Twice yes that's exciting as a student and then as a member of our faculty and if you haven't you need to go back and look at the video I will you know I it I think it got um whenever I was preparing to go I think it was taken down yeah and so I'll protect you for that yeah I don't know if I want to see it or not but I don't like to listen myself preach.
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So I leave the room I get it but maybe I'll just mute it and turn on the closed capsule I'm sure Bill can share the link with you and you can look in and maybe just think okay that's who I was then this is who I am now I'm not the same person.
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It'll probably be a good time of reflection.
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Yeah yeah that's what counselors do.
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Yes absolutely you're learning I I feel like I've been kind of under the microscope the whole time we've been together like you're doing an under the table diagnostic.
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No this poor man he needs this and this and this that is always what people think though they're always like can you read my thoughts like no but can I read your body language?
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Maybe I'm just kidding.
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Now I'm very very we're gonna we're gonna draw this to an end before I get under the microscope all the way.
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Kendall thank you we are glad the Lord led you to Williams and thank you for taking time out of your very busy first week schedule to come and visit with us on LifeWork.
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Thank you.
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Thank you
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Welcome to this episode of the Life Work Podcast.
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And today we are joined by Kendall Davenport Lane.
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Is that correct?
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That's correct.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you so much.
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So um I've been watching you.
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Oh no.
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I know that, yes.
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And I alluded to this before we started that I've been watching you in your previous.
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Okay, so I'm going to back up here.
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What brought you to Williams this time?
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And then I'm going to talk about what brought you to Williams the first time.
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Okay, well, this time was unexpected, unlike the first time.
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Okay.
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But this time I had a I was working um school-based mental health therapy.
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Okay.
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And I'm in my um supervision right now.
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Okay.
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And so I had a supervisor.
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So tell everybody what it is you're talking about.
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You are doing what for a living?
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Professional counselor?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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I'm a licensed pro I'm a licensed associate counselor and I'm working towards becoming a licensed professional counselor.
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Okay.
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So I need two.
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So you're an amateur.
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Yes, exactly.
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I needed two years of um supervision to get my licensed professional counselor.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so um I my supervisor for that, she actually brought up the idea um of me, you know, looking into Williams.
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And I was like, okay, well, I have no experience.
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I never taught.
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So she knew about the position on our faculty here before you did.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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And actually, I really thought that it was an adjunct position.
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And so I was thinking, okay, you know, I'll look into it a little bit as an adjunct.
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And then I contacted um Dr.
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Val for more information.
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And he was like, no, this is full time.
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And I was like, oh, well, you know, like, I don't know if I'm qualified.
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Like I was just, I've never taught before.
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And he's like, no, no.
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He's like, just apply and see, you know, where it goes.
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And so I was like, okay.
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I had that conversation in the car.
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And then I walked in and I told my husband, I was like, yeah, I'm not doing that.
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And I'm not, the reason I was so adamant about it is because I just didn't feel qualified.
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And so um, the more that I prayed about it, um, I really struggled with it.
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And I really didn't know.
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Um, and I this might come up later, but I've always been very sure of what the Lord wants me to do.
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I've always been sure about my calling.
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And at the beginning, I was not sure about this.
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And so that was a different experience for me.
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Um, but the more that we prayed about it together, and the more that um really I I talked to my supervisor and others about it.
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I was like, okay, I'm just gonna interview, I'm gonna see where it goes.
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And I interviewed and I did feel a lot of peace about it, but I was still a little nervous because it was so unfamiliar to me.
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But um, I remember so vividly that one day I was coming home from a counseling session that I was really worried about.
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Uh I was worried um about how it would go, and then it ended up going really well.
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And I remember thinking, okay, maybe I can do counseling, maybe I'll be good at it.
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And it was as audible as it could be not audible, you know what I mean?
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Like I felt it so clearly that the Lord said, I did that whole thing and I'm calling you to go.
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And so I went home and I was like, okay, I have to go to work now.
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Yeah.
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And now I'm so happy that I chose that.
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But yeah, it was unexpected for me.
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So I mentioned to you that I've been watching you.
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Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?
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I I don't because I really don't post on social media, so I can't believe anything.
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This is from social media.
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I don't know if you were a sophomore junior or senior, but there's a video of you made about when you were a student, about why you came to Williams.
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Do you remember that?
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I do remember that now, yes.
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So vaguely.
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You know who sent me the link earlier today for me to look at it.
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You were a young student then.
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So, freshman, sophomore, junior, where were you in that?
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Senior?
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Yes, it was my senior job.
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We overlapped two months.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I got here and you said, I'm done with this place.
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Norman's here, and you left, you walked.
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I did.
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I left.
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I left the country.
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Okay.
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It was that bad.
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You couldn't get away.
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I can't get away far enough, fast enough.
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Yeah.
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You left the country.
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What happened there?
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Well, do you want to talk about the video or what which part of it?
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Well, tell yeah, go ahead and talk about the video.
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Okay.
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I think the video was talking about my junior year, my first semester.
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Uh did the hands-on program with the IMB.
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You did do that, yeah.
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It was a fantastic experience, um, which is um why I came to Williams in the first place.
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Yes, it is, because you talk about missions and coming to Williams to learn about missions, to do missions and to serve on the mission field.
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Yes.
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And then that was the video.
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It was a very brief video.
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And then you went from there, graduated, and you went to the mission field, right?
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I did, yes.
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I spent um two years in South Asia um with the with the IMB, and that was a fantastic experience.
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It was difficult because um what did you do on the mission field?
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Well, we um I'm trying to think of what all I can say, but we did a lot of discipleship, a lot of um evangelism, a lot of mapping.
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Um so figuring out where people are.
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Yes.
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And um yeah, a lot of um a lot of work on college campuses um with college students.
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And the reason you have to being a little vague here is it's a restricted area.
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Yes.
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Yes, yes, so you can't just I can't say everything I want to say.
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Sure, sure.
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And you did that for two years.
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Two years.
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I came back um June of 2020 and said you came back off that.
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What were you thinking?
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Like I'm going back, or that that fulfilled a sense of this season of my life kind of calling now on to the next thing, or what were you thinking?
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It was really kind of an identity crisis for me, honestly, because I had my whole life I was planning to do missions.
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Um, I started when I was 16, my parents let me go um to Africa with our church.
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And um, ever since then I was just like, this is what I'm doing.
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Um and so my experience overseas was great, and it was very difficult.
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And um so when I so before I had left the field, I did have plans to come back um as a long term.
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Um it was during COVID, so I came back and had to do a quarantine and and things like that, all of that fun thing, fun memories to think about.
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But um that time of quarantine and and that time of me coming back to the States, I felt like um the Lord had protected me from feeling all my feelings while I was over there, while I was overseas, because um because it was difficult and I had a job to do.
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And then whenever I came back, I really felt like I had time to decompress.
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And so I felt like it was not a good time for me to come back.
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Um, but I struggled with that because I didn't know if I was um disobeying the Lord because I had felt this call in my life for so long, or if I was being um prideful and thinking, like, okay, if I don't be a missionary, then I'm nothing.
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Quick, think of a high school senior you love.
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Got someone?
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Next fall is closer than you think, and Williams could be exactly what they're looking for.
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Invite them to our first fall preview day, Friday, September 25th.
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We'd love to show them around.
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Just text them the link in the show notes and say, This made me think of you.
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You should check it out.
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You know, I really struggled with that.
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Wow.
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So walk us through how you came to a place of purpose and peace through all of that.
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What did that look like?
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It was difficult, but it started with me um accepting that the Lord loves me no matter what.
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And also I I eventually through prayer and um talking to mentors and um all of that, I just felt like the Lord really gave me a choice.
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Like I because I didn't feel strongly, um I I felt like the Lord said, you can choose.
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If you want to go back, you can.
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If you want to stay, you can.
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And I don't know, that hasn't happened to me very often.
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Um and so that that was an interesting experience.
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But when I decided to stay, I took a year off of um, so I had a psychology degree um and I didn't do any schooling while I was overseas.
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Um my plan was to go back to grad school to um become a clinical mental health counselor.
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Um, but I did take a year off and I just um healed during that time.
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I just spent a lot of time um with mentors.
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I s I got plugged into a church, I got plugged into small group, I got plugged into community, um, I actually started dating my husband then too.
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Okay.
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We're gonna talk about that a little bit.
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And so that was that time was just such um the Lord spoke to me so much through that time.
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Actually, somebody that I went overseas with, she sent me a message um during all of that, and she said that she had a dream about me and that I was just um on my knees praying and that the Lord was kind of covering me in that dream.
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And I don't know, when she sent me that, it just felt very affirming.
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Like I think my biggest fear was that the Lord was mad at me or that the Lord um didn't value me as He as much as He did whenever I was doing missions.
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And so that vision was or that dream that she had, um that really helped me.
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So I don't want to put words in your mouth.
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Yeah, but as I'm listening to your story, I think if I'm understanding correctly, and you correct me if I'm wrong, is for a period or season of your life, you had this idea that you would be more acceptable to the Lord if you were a missionary than if you were something else.
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Yes, an overseas missionary specifically.
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Okay.
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That's a that's a big load to carry.
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It was.
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It was.
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That's why it took a while to process.
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So how did how did you come out of that?
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I mean that that that sense of been overseas and in thinking that way that um I'm more acceptable to the Lord if I'm overseas missionary.
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That's not happening now.
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I'm struggling with this, not so much struggling just with the call, but even deeper than that, struggling with my worth and value in Christ before God.
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Yes.
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When was a breakthrough in that?
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How how did that come?
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Or was it a moment or was it a just a period of?
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You know, um it took time because I think that that was a um belief that I had for a long time, but I didn't realize it.
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You know, I didn't I didn't necessarily recognize that in in myself and in my thinking.
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And so I wouldn't say that it was a specific time um or anything big that happened, but it would be just the continue um continuation of a daily walk with the Lord, recognizing his character, understanding um and and also being grateful for the things that he has given me in my life now and just understanding that, okay, he loves me no matter what.
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And he continues to guide me, even if it's not overseas.
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He's guided me here and he's given me opportunities here.
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And um, yeah, so he still works.
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Any any idea about how long it took you to come to a place of peace about all that?
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Yes, because it's actually so funny because I actually did just go back overseas a couple weeks ago.
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Yes.
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Um, which was a very redeeming trip for me.
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Um, I did not want to go because um there's just a lot of feelings, like I had, I mean, alluded to, there's a lot of feelings with that.
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And so I felt um, you know, because there's still there was a sense of guilt for me because um there's so much lostness in the world, and so I had felt guilty about um not going back and not because I knew the lostness, so I felt guilty for not going back.
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Um, and honestly, it was literally just this trip where I had really just felt total release of um the Lord being like, I love people here, I love people there, I have people here for you.
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You know, there's there's we have our fair share of lostness here.
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We do, we do, we do.
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And so um this the trip that I just went on was um probably where I have felt and been most honest about okay, now I feel peace about it.
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And so I don't know, 18, 19, 21, 20, 20, 4, 5, 6, 8 years.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's been a journey.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So our listeners may not know you drive a camo covered pickup truck.
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Is that right?
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No, it is not right.
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I do I know there's one in the family.
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Yes, you know, we I have tried to retire that really from him.
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So and who is the him?
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Um, my husband, Halen Lane.
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Yes, he is um known for his camo truck, which he has a lot of other good qualities, so don't let that happen.
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Oh wow.
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That apparently doesn't make the list though, does it?
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No, no, it doesn't.
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Wow.
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Well, you he had it when you met him.
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So you knew what you knew what you're getting into.
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He did, yes.
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Yes, he did.
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He had that when he was a student here.
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That's what I I remember several things about Halen, but I do remember I would pull up in the parking lot and I would see that camel truck, and I would think, that would be neat to have one.
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Really?
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No.
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I I would never use it like Halen probably has, but I just thought that's pretty cool.
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Well, really, when we started dating, he didn't have that anymore.
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So he grew and matured from that too.
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So so he doesn't have any more?
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Well, he has it, but uh, you know, he doesn't drive it.
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So what does he do with it?
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Um just sits there.
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Okay, okay.
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Just sits there.
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Is it on the market?
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I don't know, maybe.
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You want to make an offer?
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No, I don't.
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I'll I'll make an offer on that if you make an offer on my motorcycle.
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Oh no.
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Okay.
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Oh no.
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Okay, then we're at a stalemate there.
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We're at a stalemate.
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So you are now a member of the Williams Baptist University faculty.
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Yes.
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You are starting your first year in the psychology department.
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Yes.
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And what is it you're teaching for us?
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I am um assistant professor of psychology in child and family studies.
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And so I'm teaching It's a mouthful.
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It is, it is.
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Um, I'm teaching uh Gen Psych, um, intro into counseling interventions, um, American family class, and history and systems.
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So junior faculty member, first year, first semester.
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Yes.
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I'm trying to think, have you made a week yet?
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I guess today's the first week.
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Um yes, it is.
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Today's the first week.
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Survived.
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How's it going?
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It's going really well.
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I am, I I have loved it.
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And so the thing you never thought you could envision yourself doing.
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Yes.
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And you know what's crazy?
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So when I was in high school, I actually, I don't know what those things are.
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At the end of the year, whenever they vote on things about you, anyway, I got voted most likely to teach.
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And I remember thinking, I have never taught anything.
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What an odd thing.
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And there's no like there's so many other people that would want to be teachers.
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I was like so surprised that I got that.
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But I think that just shows the Lord's.
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Well, somebody in that vote was a prophet.
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Yeah.
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They called it.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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I just that whenever actually, whenever I was thinking about this job, I thought about that moment.
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And I was like, the Lord knows even then.
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You should have put that on your resume.
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You need to hire me because I was voted by my graduating class most likely to teach.
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You gotta hire me.
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I'll update it this afternoon.
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Okay, there you go.
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There you go.
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So finished your first week reflections on that experience thus far, knowing you're on the front end of the long game here.
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Um I'm excited because I've actually had several students come up to me um interested in missions, which is just so funny.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And also, um, when I first started at Williams, um, Dr.
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Rhodes was my um Gin Psych professor who was also, you know, on the mission field.
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And so That's right.
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Yeah.
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So looking back, was there any kind of uh influence of Dr.
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Rhodes upon you while you were a student here in psychology and then cultivating that love and desire for missions?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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I mean, um, I didn't start off a psych major, um, but once I took his class and he talked a lot about his missions in his class, and I was like, okay, well, I want to do missions and I like psychology, so I guess I can do both.
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How does somebody like psychology?
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Explain that to me.
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Um, you don't like learning about yourself and other people.
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Boy, you put me on the uh do I like learning about myself?
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At this point in my life, I think I have learned all I want to know.
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Yeah, it you know, it can be a wild place, the wild west in your on mine.
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So that's fun, you know.
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I really for me, um, I do love psychology.
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I love talking to people.
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Um, that's why I wanted to be a counselor because I like um, yeah, just hearing about people's experiences and so a lot of discipleship.
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So a lot of people, and I one time I thought this way, is psychology and counseling are the one and same thing.
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That if you do one, you do the other, but that's not true.
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No, it's not true.
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There are a lot of psychology majors that want nothing to do with counseling or have no interest in that.
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So help our listeners understand the interplay between the two.
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Obviously, there's a connection, but not always.
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Not always.
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Um, psychology, you can focus on research um and doing studies.
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Um, I do feel like for me, it I was always interested in the um becoming a counselor.
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I think also with the child and family studies um degree, that also gives a lot of opportunity for um people who want to do marriage and family, or even um, you know, if they plan on working at a church, you know, there's lots of pastors that obviously do um pastoral counseling and things like that.
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So it's it's good to um be able to have some kind of background in knowing how families are developed and work and you know.
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Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot here.
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I want to dig down into the relationship between psychology and counseling and missions.
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And I know this is unfair.
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I confess it on the front end, but I'm gonna go there anyway, and maybe we can talk our way through it.
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I let you talk your way through it, and I'll just listen.
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Okay.
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You love missions.
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Yes.
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You love counseling and psychology as you are on the front end of this professorial ministry.
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How are you envisioning this unfolding not two separate things?
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But I'm thinking, I'm surmising here that maybe in your mind you're seeing these converging in some way.
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What does that potentially look like that I'm going to continue in this academic discipline and this professional teaching, but I'm never letting go of the passion and the desire to be missional and to be missionary, my identity?
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That is a great question.
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Um, I think that it was very clear to me my first week so far is that there are several students that are interested in missions.
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And um Are they psychology majors or are they looking at the counseling as a major?
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Um they they I think a couple of them are freshmen.
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So I don't know.
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I think one of them was in psychology.
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Whatever their major is, it will change next semester.
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Yeah, yeah, you have freedom to change.
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But um the great part about Williams and the culture of Williams is that um you can go to your professors, you can sit down, you can talk to them, and you can have a real um conversation.
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They really are like mentors.
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Um, and I remember that from my time at Williams.
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And so um I think that that the Lord, it was just really a gift to me this week to see that um there's so many students passionate about missions, because that's me pouring into the next generation.
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And um, it is such a good opportunity for young students to do missions um because it's simpler in a lot of ways because there's not houses that they own and cars and kids and spouses, you know, they um can pick up and go more easily.
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So for me to be able to um cast vision and to encourage and to support and to pray for um to answer questions because I'm sure there's a million questions that they probably have about that.
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And um yeah I'm excited to just sit with students and help them walk through that process because I had professors that did that for me.
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And it was, I mean I still think about it today.
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So do you ever envision taking students overseas?
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You know I have not thought about that but that would be something that I'm open to would I be interested in leading them that is maybe I would be like an assistant.
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Okay.
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One or the other will work.
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Yeah yeah would you take them back to where you have previously served or would you explore other areas of service I would do both.
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I'd be interested in both okay um you know that would take some more of the Lord's like comforting and leading but let's get through this semester yeah let's do that first so I mentioned how you got here this time and I said I was going to come back to the other so I'm back to the other now how did Kendall the high school senior how did she get to Williams and when she came here what was she what were her dreams?
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What was she thinking?
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Um I'm from the area I'm from Brooklyn Really I'm from Goobertown but you know socially acceptable to say Brooklyn is it though?
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What's wrong what is unacceptable about Goobertown?
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You know it's not it was actually out of Goobertown.
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Yes that was my dad's favorite thing to say on vacation that we were from Goobertown so what kind of reactions did you get oh gosh I bet yeah yeah okay so you're a girl from Goobertown.
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Yes Goobertown Arkansas and how did you get here?
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And why did you get here?
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Well um I have always heard about Williams just because it's close and again I wanted to do missions I wanted the Christian education um I wanted the opportunity to be able to go on mission trips with the college and um just be um invested in in that way and so for me I I don't think I applied to any other colleges.
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I think I just applied to Williams.
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Wow yeah did you come in as a psych major or is that something that happened after you arrived it happened after I arrived.
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And it was in that class with Dr.
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Rose yes okay yes in my gin psych class and freshman sophomore year?
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It was my freshman year.
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Early on early on and I walked in and he started talking about all the psychology things.
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I think he even wrote in like Korean on the board and I was like wow this is interesting.
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And then he started talking about his time overseas and I was like okay yes just chasing a rabbit here how long was Dr.
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Rhodes on the mission field you recall?
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I don't know.
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Um I I I don't know I think it was years.
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Yeah it'd been a while if you can write in Korean you're you're there for a while yeah he's very smart so but yeah so what are your dreams for your program because you're part of the psychology department and that is a strong department.
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Yes it's one of our top majors five years from now what do you see yourself doing here that feels like a long ways away doesn't it um on my first week it'll be here before you know it.
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I'm hoping to um one be more comfortable well you know my thing your first year of survive yeah you're just prepping prepping prepping year two you're gonna look back and think okay redo redo redo by year three you're thinking okay this is starting to shape up in the way I want it to be so give yourself some grace here I think that my time at Williams as a student was really marked by discipleship.
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I had so many people pouring into my life I had professors I had upperclassmen um the Christian ministries department I mean I just had so many people and when I think about what I want to do and my time here I think about that and I think that I would love to pour into students um I would love to help them.
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This is such a hard time in young people's life I mean there's so many major decisions that they have to make and so to be able to listen and to use my counseling skills um not as like they're not like my clients but just the skills that I've learned um to help navigate them, guide them, support them, pray for them that's what I'm excited about.
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Me too.
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You are well suited and well prepared to do that very thing.
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And I'm looking forward to seeing how the Lord uses you in discipling our students for service as a missionary service somehow with a psychology major or just in general thank you.
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We're we're gonna be better for you being here.
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We're grateful the Lord led you here twice.
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Twice yes that's exciting as a student and then as a member of our faculty and if you haven't you need to go back and look at the video I will you know I it I think it got um whenever I was preparing to go I think it was taken down yeah and so I'll protect you for that yeah I don't know if I want to see it or not but I don't like to listen myself preach.
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So I leave the room I get it but maybe I'll just mute it and turn on the closed capsule I'm sure Bill can share the link with you and you can look in and maybe just think okay that's who I was then this is who I am now I'm not the same person.
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It'll probably be a good time of reflection.
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Yeah yeah that's what counselors do.
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Yes absolutely you're learning I I feel like I've been kind of under the microscope the whole time we've been together like you're doing an under the table diagnostic.
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No this poor man he needs this and this and this that is always what people think though they're always like can you read my thoughts like no but can I read your body language?
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Maybe I'm just kidding.
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Now I'm very very we're gonna we're gonna draw this to an end before I get under the microscope all the way.
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Kendall thank you we are glad the Lord led you to Williams and thank you for taking time out of your very busy first week schedule to come and visit with us on LifeWork.
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Thank you.
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Thank you
