Debating Atheists: Epistemology and the Epstein Atheist Files

WEBVTT
1
00:00:00.200 --> 00:01:24.280
The the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
2
00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:50.120
the the the, the, the, the, the, the the.
3
00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:53.879
The the.
4
00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:23.120
The built, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the the,
5
00:02:24.159 --> 00:03:19.400
don't do the do don't do the? Do the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
6
00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:58.680
the built, the the, the, the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the,
7
00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:47.519
the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
8
00:04:50.480 --> 00:05:30.279
the the, do the the, the, the, the, the built, the, the, the,
9
00:05:46.279 --> 00:06:00.959
the the the dout the the the Oh, don't do
10
00:06:01.319 --> 00:07:01.399
the do the don't do the. Don't do the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
11
00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:30.639
the the the bum built, the built, the the the,
12
00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:58.000
the the the bult the Britain.
13
00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:00.360
M h.
14
00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.480
Space wise, Let's create.
15
00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.839
Lison space wise.
16
00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.680
God, that's a body one.
17
00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:35.519
It's a very tool. He looks good. Good space wise
18
00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:38.919
man space.
19
00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:42.919
Space space.
20
00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:56.000
Magic underwear fitting type magic underwear is feeling right? More
21
00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:07.519
man space wise, more man space wise, Lords of the cool,
22
00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.159
I would like to have intimacies with you.
23
00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:23.080
On the planet and of the boo. More manon space.
24
00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:25.519
Magic.
25
00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:36.840
Where were right there, my man space Let's create lies
26
00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:47.440
mamonas space wise god the body money. It's a very
27
00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:59.159
tomb honey. He looks good. Good Momon space moons, space w.
28
00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.840
Space space space.
29
00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:11.200
Magic underwear fitting type magic underwear.
30
00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.399
It's feeling right.
31
00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:27.799
More men space wise, more space wise, Lords of the cool.
32
00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:36.120
I would like to have intimacies with you on the
33
00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:43.840
planet of the boom space wise.
34
00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:50.639
Magical wonder where right there.
35
00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.759
More space space?
36
00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:07.120
Mm hmm, it's that booger whistle.
37
00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:14.840
Let's see marks and traits of the cult guru. They
38
00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.279
do not typically like you doing well.
39
00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:27.399
What they secrets. They're doing that out Irish perces. Therefore
40
00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.279
they must take dollars.
41
00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:30.720
But they do not under.
42
00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:34.279
That's that booger whistle bation.
43
00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:37.200
Their energy bands.
44
00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:46.159
That's that booger whistle bation. I got a booger whistle
45
00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:52.039
food their energy band, that's that booger whistle.
46
00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:52.799
The whistle.
47
00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:59.279
Oftentimes, the communal living of the guru demands doesn't match
48
00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.039
up to the guru who's dropping around and a freaking
49
00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:06.120
rolls Royce. How many swamis gotta dang rolls Royce?
50
00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:12.519
Hey, I was visuals made, Yes, send it? Most game
51
00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:18.120
don store. They swammy don't get the roads race.
52
00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:22.120
That's that booger whistle.
53
00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:25.279
Their energy van birds.
54
00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:34.120
That's that booger whistle. An I got the booger.
55
00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:40.120
Whistle, their energy van birds, that's that booger whistle.
56
00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.840
Turn many rolls, roses, you got get over there in
57
00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.399
that canune living by the way, get.
58
00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.360
Out of my rolls, or got dang rolls right and
59
00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.159
by Monday E would have got fifty.
60
00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:58.159
That's that booger whistle.
61
00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.279
An yere energy bad birds.
62
00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:10.240
That's that I got the muger whistle.
63
00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:13.279
They're energy bad birds.
64
00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:21.919
Black kangs, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuade,
65
00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:26.960
Lang dang, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuade,
66
00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.440
lang kang, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate
67
00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.519
persuey lang Kang, black bishops, black players.
68
00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.759
People of the chocolate persuasion. But the dark ages at
69
00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.600
a time when black people rule Europe. So when you
70
00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.759
go into the real history, you'll see King James with
71
00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:50.600
that's King James, or that's James Lebron, that's King Lebon
72
00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.120
right now black he was not a white guy.
73
00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:58.759
You'll see his whole lineage of kings, black kangs, black.
74
00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:02.799
Bishops, black player is people of the Chocolate persuade, Black Kangs,
75
00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.799
black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuade, black kangs,
76
00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:12.639
black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuey black king,
77
00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:17.720
black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion, who
78
00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.559
was in almost sexual himself, who was in love with
79
00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.559
his sister Lucretia, whould have made the image of Lucretia to.
80
00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:30.360
Be married, and that became the Renaissance era Luque saw Lucretia.
81
00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.279
That's a black game. Are you going to say that
82
00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.639
the people that was framing the black people were also black?
83
00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:39.559
That don't make no sense.
84
00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:44.320
Lucretias are black as hell named Lucretia. Raised Church is
85
00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:45.000
allowed it.
86
00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:45.600
You know what I'm saying.
87
00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:49.720
The Church allowed for straight pempers that have been suppressed,
88
00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.720
that have been suppressed. Listen to my brother from fifteen hundreds,
89
00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:59.120
it was legal to be of pen black kangs, black bishops,
90
00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.519
black player is, people of the Chocolate persuasion.
91
00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:07.200
Black visions, black play is people of the Chocolate persuasions.
92
00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:13.840
Oh yeah, welcome everybody, everybody to the limit. It's another
93
00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:19.679
live stream. It's open for him, it's open calls, it's
94
00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:25.039
wisdom time. Not necessarily from me, But we're gonna go
95
00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:29.200
to the fount of wisdom, Lady Wisdom herself, and we're
96
00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:36.080
gonna get some insight into what no one has today,
97
00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:37.919
which is wisdom. Now, we got a lot we're going
98
00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.600
to talk about today. We're going to open it up.
99
00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.039
We're gonna let people call in with their challenges, their opposition,
100
00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:47.000
their critiques, their disagreements, all of that. But I've decided
101
00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.399
because no one has wisdom today. We got a lot
102
00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.159
of facts, a lot of knowledge, a lot of info,
103
00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.879
a lot of data dumps, and I'm speaking of data
104
00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.159
from Star Trek going number two data dumps. We have
105
00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.799
all this information, but we don't have much wisdom. And
106
00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.879
one reason for that is that young men are not catechized.
107
00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:15.000
And men are of course meant to be the leaders
108
00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.000
in society. And when men fail to lead, or when
109
00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:25.200
they are severely repressed and oppressed by a oligarchical, degenerate
110
00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.320
culture in society as we presently are, men retreat and
111
00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:34.559
become feminized in the living fantasy worlds, etcetera, etcetera, and
112
00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:39.679
they get psyoped by the syop of psyops, namely atheism.
113
00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.240
And as you know, my thesis seems to be more
114
00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:50.840
and more vindicated that mainline atheism was a top down syop,
115
00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.200
and especially all of the info that comes out with
116
00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.759
Jeffson mcguffrey. What do you know, As we said, the
117
00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:05.799
so called rationalist atheists are hanging out with and flying
118
00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.160
on the planes of jeff Stin McCaffrey, which by the way,
119
00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:15.640
are CIA planes for three decades. As we now know. Now,
120
00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.920
keep in mind, the same people that were involved in
121
00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:26.759
high tier finance, toxic culture creation, blackmailing celebrities, politicians, world leaders,
122
00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:32.680
profiting from chaos and corruption, war torn areas, on and
123
00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:43.519
on and on, are the same people promoting global trademark atheism.
124
00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.480
The new atheists there you can see, your good buddy,
125
00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.400
to see it's all rationalism.
126
00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:56.119
You see when we eat the children underneath castles, underneath
127
00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.720
Windsor Castle, it's just rationalism.
128
00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.000
That's just a joke. For those that don't know, it's
129
00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:11.359
a joke. That's my Dicky Dawkins impression down there underneath
130
00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:21.079
uh Windsor Castle and the catacombs trumping down on Uh
131
00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:29.960
not a baby Ruth, a baby named Ruth. That was
132
00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.400
a really preposterous joke. But uh no, as you can
133
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.119
see many, many photos of the New Atheist. And yes,
134
00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:38.559
I'm aware that learned.
135
00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:44.519
Walwantz coows. I suddenly can't say my aw's walwantz coows
136
00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:48.680
what if I did the whole strain today not being
137
00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:53.880
able to say my aws. My little Bobble when he
138
00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.160
was a kid, he had to gotta say his rs.
139
00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:07.160
What Jeffey Epstein I used to make make my brother
140
00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.960
because he had to cust to how to say his
141
00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:11.720
r squad, I do say my all's.
142
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.799
So today we're going to talk about my wood and
143
00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:23.839
jeffe Epstein because you can't say his as. I'm cracking
144
00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.559
up again at my own jokes, Jamie, could you bring
145
00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:28.000
me a walk?
146
00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:33.640
Could you bring me on wattle?
147
00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.680
I hope my brother's watching this. He's gonna be cracking
148
00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:44.319
up sometime. I get my brother to watch the streams.
149
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:47.559
That's the first time I made fun of himough Don,
150
00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.319
I'm making fun of you right now. Could you say
151
00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.400
your aws? Could you say jeffy Epstein, jeff Wee? Jamie,
152
00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:54.039
could you bring.
153
00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:54.480
You a wattle?
154
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:55.559
I need.
155
00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.799
I need a ja.
156
00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:02.039
You're making fun of me.
157
00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:02.640
You know what?
158
00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.240
No laughing matter. Shout out to my little brother. I'm
159
00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:18.720
already crying so retarded as stupid. Oh my goodness, here
160
00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.960
we go, shout out to the supper chats. I realized
161
00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.599
that there was already water here. I was laughing so hard.
162
00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:31.359
Now I have four waters. I got full wattles. Okay,
163
00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:36.359
So the new atheists, as I've been theorizing, I think
164
00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.559
this is a top down sigh op. And with the
165
00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:43.319
Justin mcgeffrey and just laying connections, apparently some of the
166
00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:48.759
dorks have done some really good sleuthing and it appears
167
00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.599
that they were also just laying. Apparently was a high
168
00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.319
tier Reddit mod with like fourteen thousand posts in the
169
00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:03.240
Reddit atheist sphere. Of course, Professor Dave is the literal
170
00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:09.240
incarnation of Reddit. So what's funny is that these atheists, bros,
171
00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:16.960
these arrogant goblins online are actually the creation the children
172
00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:22.240
of jeff'sty mceffreys. And do you think the jeffsty mceffrees
173
00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:28.960
appreciate or enjoy or or are happy with low tier
174
00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:33.000
goblins like Professor Dave. No, No, they laugh at these people,
175
00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.079
and they mock these people for actually believing the low
176
00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:42.279
tier scientists and bullshit that they put out. And I've
177
00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.799
been saying that overhe my channel for probably ten fifteen years.
178
00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.559
We've talked about atheism as a kind of a psiah
179
00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:54.440
or professional skepticism, right, Michael Shermer type trademark skepticism. They're
180
00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:59.279
the most establishment people ever. They repeat and they parrot
181
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:04.160
every single establishment doctrine, whether it was the koof or whatever.
182
00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.759
And let's not forget that your friend professor Dave, who
183
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.279
by the way, isn't actually a professor. And I looked
184
00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.640
into what he actually is. He has a BA, not
185
00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.920
knocking a BA, but he has a degree now in education.
186
00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:23.440
Apparently he's not actually a tenured professor. He's not actually
187
00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:27.039
a teaching professor at a university. He said, yes, I
188
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:31.640
did teach a semester at a trade school. Oh at
189
00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.000
a trade school. You mean like where they teach HVAC
190
00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:39.960
and VCR repair, a trade school. So he taught chemistry
191
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.480
a semester at a trade school. Bob Vance heating and
192
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.319
heating and air dude was over there lecturing next to
193
00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.640
Bob Vance. And he's like a professor. Now people are
194
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.039
saying that he uses a lot of AI and other
195
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:57.680
professors write his videos for him. So he doesn't even
196
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:02.359
write the videos. Now, is it any wonder why he
197
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:04.720
does not want to do a debate. He says, I
198
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:10.799
will never debate philosophy. I only talk science. Well, we
199
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.279
know who actually created science, and I don't think y'all
200
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:19.119
are ready to have this conversation. So yeah, well yeah,
201
00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:25.880
kub mcceffrey. So y'all ain't ready for this conversation. Maybe
202
00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:28.799
when you are, we can talk about who really created science.
203
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.319
But to give you an idea of the science that
204
00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:38.200
we're talking about, Professor Dave is a an ally and
205
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.000
an advocate for men becoming women and women becoming men.
206
00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.599
So what does that tell you about your science man?
207
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.319
You're science expert. Notice how many of these people, especially
208
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.839
Matt Dillamunkey right, gender roles are obsolete. I want you
209
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:58.559
all to understand I am an ally. It is time
210
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:03.880
for everybody to stop me conservative and accept tr, A
211
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.559
and Z, says Professor Dave in his pro trans video.
212
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.359
So here's your great science man who can't even figure
213
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.759
out basic common sense empirical facts, much less could he
214
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.799
actually give an argument defending any of the metaphysical claims
215
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.559
that he makes all the time. Now, Jim Bob had
216
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:31.599
a great call in here, and I want you to
217
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.599
see the level of the high IQ level that we're
218
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.720
dealing with with these people, these absolute SuDS. They are
219
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.039
absolutely this is the definition of a sued and I'm
220
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.400
going to prove it to you. Let's listen to Professor
221
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.240
Dave respond to just a couple basic questions from Jimbob.
222
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.079
Okay, so, then would you agree that, from your perspective
223
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.279
that the brain was a process of random mutations produced
224
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:57.640
by random mutations.
225
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.920
Brains in general and every other organ in every other
226
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.960
aspect of all life ever.
227
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:07.720
Yes, okay, so then, and it wasn't developed for any purpose, right, No, not.
228
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.200
Any inherent purpose, but it serves it is useful. Right,
229
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.759
Animals with brains have processing ability, and then especially humans,
230
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:19.000
we have this huge frontal lobe that is capable kinds
231
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:20.119
of compet I understand.
232
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.440
But you would say that your your brain has no
233
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:23.519
real purpose, right.
234
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.039
It has no inherent purpose. I use it for the
235
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:26.920
purpose of thinking.
236
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.839
Okay, but you know it's not made for the purpose
237
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:30.400
of thinking.
238
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:31.039
Uh.
239
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.839
There is no God that on purpose made things with
240
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.319
the purpose that I didn't say God, No, God, God
241
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:38.720
doesn't exist in this hypothetical.
242
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.079
Okay, I just want you to.
243
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.839
Your view, then you would agree that nothing would have
244
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.599
any kind of inherent purpose from a higher power. If
245
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.000
it's all chance, then there's no inherent purpose to anything
246
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.519
other than what proliferates due to conferring a survival advantage.
247
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.680
And so why would I why would I listen to
248
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:58.960
sounds coming from a purposeless brain?
249
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:00.799
Because I'm right.
250
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.079
So that's the level of argumentation. It's literally t dump level.
251
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.720
And all these people have been mind graped, all of
252
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.680
these people that have grown up on four Chan, which,
253
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:14.119
by the way, turns out Jeffsony mcgeffrey and company met
254
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.880
with the four Chan dude. Was it named moot or
255
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:22.119
mute or something that was a siop to essentially degrade
256
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.279
the youth? I would say through all of the degeneracy
257
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:31.400
and the pushing of the underage types of things that
258
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.920
happened is significantly over the many years through four Chan,
259
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:39.720
all of the fake info dumps, all the conspiracy q
260
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.079
TRD crap. What do you know, It's all out of
261
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:47.039
four Chan. And Dave is the perfect representative of a
262
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.519
person raised on that. He believes, of course that his
263
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:55.559
position is rational, it's logical. He's against these silly religious people,
264
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.279
and he's so much smarter than everyone else, but he
265
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.039
can't even formulate in an act will argument. That's what
266
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:05.519
I've noticed in watching several clips is Yeah, if the
267
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.640
debate was about whether Dave has learned some basic chemistry,
268
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.720
I'm sure Dave would do good. But that was never
269
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.559
the question. The question was you're venturing into the domain
270
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.599
of metaphysics and philosophy without even realizing it. As you
271
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.359
say that you don't really care about philosophy. Philosophy doesn't matter,
272
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.480
people are saying in the past, Dave has actually done
273
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.039
philosophy videos, so he should be willing to debate. Well,
274
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:35.319
I've offered the challenge, so Derek Mythvision, nastic Informant, and Dave.
275
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:43.119
I've offered all three separate public formal debates. Derek declined,
276
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.440
no shocker there. Derek seems to be the most butt
277
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.599
hurt out of all this, and he, together with Nasti Informant,
278
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:55.240
did a victory lap video after Dave made yesterday's video
279
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.640
calling me a bunch of poop joke man, it's it's
280
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.759
a bunch of really low tier reddit like reddit people,
281
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.119
or if you don't know, they're like obsessed with anuses.
282
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:09.759
They're all about anuses, the error that expels out of anuses,
283
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:16.119
putting things in anuises, women becoming men so that they
284
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.000
can go into the anuses. That's really all they're into.
285
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.960
And so they are degraded and demoralized, disgusting people. And
286
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.680
it comes out when you actually sort of try to
287
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.519
investigate their worldview, you find out they're actually suits. They're
288
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.920
not actually educated. Now, when I say educated, I don't
289
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.119
mean did you study chemistry at a community college. No,
290
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.640
I'm talking about actually educated in the ability to argue,
291
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.680
to have good discourse, to have good communication skills, and
292
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:50.000
to make your case rhetoric logic, what we call the
293
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.559
classical arts or the trivium. Can you actually engage in
294
00:28:55.640 --> 00:29:01.359
that kind of argumentation? Do you actually know any classical
295
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:06.519
logical laws, fallacies, etc. No, they don't. And this all
296
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:12.279
stems from the Derek mythvision video one year ago where
297
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.279
he's still mad that I hopped on the stream with
298
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:22.240
him and Andrew and Jimbob to debate, and Derek wanted
299
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:27.240
basically no pushback. He wanted to be able to constantly
300
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.759
go at Christianity and anybody that's so stupid as to
301
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.960
be a Christian without anybody asking any questions about Derek,
302
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.200
and so he basically had a meltdown and just said,
303
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.759
I don't care it's true because I say so. Interesting,
304
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.119
that's exactly what we just heard Professor Dave argue because
305
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.880
I say so, so these people are actually incapable of arguing.
306
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.920
And the other thing that's funny is that when Derek
307
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.279
prophesied that he was taking over his channel was going
308
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.359
to dominate, he said he would be half a million
309
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.960
in one year, and he's not even anywhere close to that.
310
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.759
So none of that came true. And as people have
311
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.599
noted in the comments, I will critique your worldview. It's
312
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.519
all mythological stories. Well, under your definition, your own worldview
313
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.599
is a mythological story. I didn't come here to debate
314
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.400
my worldview, so don't do an internal critique of me.
315
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.799
Don't ask me any questions about my worldview. I only
316
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:24.839
want to come at you now. When I talked to
317
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.680
Derek in DMS, asking him for a public debate, he's
318
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.640
essentially affirmed the same thing. I'm not going to debate philosophy.
319
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:36.920
It's not my field. However, I will assert that Christianity
320
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.039
is not true and I'd be happy to assert Christianity's
321
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:41.599
not true on a stream with you, and you can
322
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:46.160
come on my stream. So this is how fragile and
323
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.000
arrogant grown men are as people. Yeah, exactly in the chat.
324
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.920
Grown men can't handle being challenged and they can't have
325
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.759
just a little bit of humility to say, look, hey,
326
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.680
I don't actually know what episodmic justification is. Could you
327
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.440
explain that rather than just asking a few questions to
328
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.160
see if he understood the argument. By the way, a
329
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.200
year later, when he made his video the other day
330
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.960
saying that, by the way, I lost that debate because
331
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.359
I was hungry and I didn't have any snacks around.
332
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.400
That's literally what he said. And it's not fail because
333
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.119
they twicked me. Okay, well, how about set up a
334
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.839
formal debate then if it wasn't fair and you feel
335
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.359
like you can handle it well. And what's funny is
336
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:28.599
that Jimbob reviewed this from the other day. I've already
337
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.359
tried to debate Sneako. I ended up debating Sneako had
338
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.640
to bring in his buddy Muslim lantern. So we already
339
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.039
did that debate. And no, Sneako's not gonna debate me
340
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:42.039
come on. So you know what's funny is that really
341
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:43.440
I think Derek, it would have been better for you
342
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.680
if you had just basically at least understood what we
343
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.839
were arguing. But in Derek's new videos, he made absolutely
344
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.559
no effort to even understand the argument. And this is
345
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.799
the thing, is like people can see this stuff eventually
346
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.599
when you have this facade and you get challenged and
347
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.119
you basically have spurgout meltdowns and you're constantly talking about
348
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.079
how it's not fair and you were hungry and this
349
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.319
and that, like, okay, well, then why not do us
350
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.720
a formal debate? Well, now it turns out he can't
351
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.400
do a formal debate because it's not his topic. He
352
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:29.240
doesn't do philosophy. Okay, so I think that's enough on
353
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.279
that topic there. So I've issued a formal debate challenged
354
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.200
to all three of them. Somebody sent me a clip
355
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.119
of Professor Dave saying that he's preemptively already said in
356
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.920
an interview or a podcast that he will never debate
357
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:49.519
tag or philosophy. He only debates science. Okay, well, I'm
358
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.960
not sure what to say to that. I mean, if
359
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.240
he preemptively says he won't debate, and the debate is
360
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.799
a philosophical argument. There's not much I can do about that.
361
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.759
I didn't really expect any of these people to except, however,
362
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.039
I will say, at least Gnostic Informant has the balls
363
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.480
to do a debate. So of these three goobers, the
364
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.200
only one who actually stood up to do the debate
365
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.240
is Gnostic Informant, and that will be next, not this
366
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:18.720
upcoming Monday, but the following Monday on Crucible, we will
367
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.119
have a formal public debate with Gnostic Informant, who I
368
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.480
know this is so crazy. I assumed by his name
369
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.559
he was Gnostic. Lma bro, I'm not Gnostic, LMAO. Who
370
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.319
would think a Gnostic with the name Gnostic informant? Now,
371
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.279
I know that's crazy of me to assume that a
372
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.000
Gnostic informant would be a Gnostic. Now it turns out
373
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:49.240
he is a quasi Aristotelian monist. Of course, Aristotle was
374
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.400
a diadist and not a monist, so I don't think
375
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.240
he knows what he's talking about. And that's going to
376
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.599
be a lot of fun. And cross your fingers, because
377
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.519
you know what often happens in these situations. Let's hope
378
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:06.680
that there's no medical emergency or family problem that comes
379
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.960
up within the next seven days, which means that Gnostic
380
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:15.079
Informant can't make the debate. But he's already agreed to it,
381
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:21.679
and Derek Mythvision had to bring in Gnostic Informant as
382
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.800
his big bro to do the debating for him. Well,
383
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.199
how come, Professor Dave. Isn't he the biggest channel in
384
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.559
the biggest brain. He's the big intellect, He's got the
385
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.800
biggest nose, I mean, the biggest brain amongst all of them.
386
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.719
Can he not do the debate as the real big bro?
387
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.599
Is Gnostic Informant a weirdo subjectivist relatives? Last time I
388
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.639
heard him arguing is he the best that they have
389
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.960
to offer? Okay, well, this is going to be a
390
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.599
lot of fun at looking forward to that debate next Monday,
391
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.159
So shout out for all the people joining me and
392
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.480
not watching the super Hole. Of course, we know the
393
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.239
Superhole is faking gay. It is engineered to be faking
394
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:03.480
gay because our culture is toxic culture that is fake
395
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.920
and gay on purpose. Who has been saying that for
396
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.679
the last twenty years, Who wrote three giant books over
397
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.280
a thousand pages on our culture being toxically engineered. I
398
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.880
did now. Years ago there was an atheist channel that
399
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.519
had me on to do a debate. I don't think
400
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.599
that channel exists anymore. I remember the name of something
401
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.800
like a Atheist Experience or something like that, and I'm
402
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.079
just remembering a debate there. This is probably seven or
403
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:40.800
eight years ago, and that guy debated me on esoteric Hollywood. Right,
404
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.360
So we took a little bit of a detour from
405
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:50.920
the standard atheist theist debate, and he wanted to do
406
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.280
a debate on whether or not esoteric Hollywood was the case.
407
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:55.000
Right.
408
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.719
I don't know if that video is still up, but
409
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.719
I would like to point out that I'm vindicated ten
410
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.119
years later on that video as well, because first of all,
411
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.039
he didn't actually read my book. I know, shocker, he
412
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.039
didn't read the book. He assumed that the book was
413
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.239
arguing that everything in Hollywood is a gigantic coordinated conspiracy
414
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.719
and that everyone is a Satanist and they're all eating babies.
415
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.800
Of course my book doesn't argue that. But let's see
416
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:26.840
if by chance this is still there. No way, it's
417
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:31.880
not Atheists Experience, because that's that's Matt Dillon monkey. It
418
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.719
was like dudes trying to compete with with Dila Monkey
419
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.880
to create an atheist channel, and the guy that they
420
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.719
had on the guy had debated, he ended up becoming
421
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:53.239
a big atheist channel. Let's see if we can find it.
422
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.719
That channel imploded if you guys remember it, because they
423
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.719
had a huge money debacle between the two of them,
424
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.719
the two atheist that ran that channel. I can't remember
425
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:17.000
the name of that channel though. If anybody remembers it anyway,
426
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.239
it doesn't matter. But point being is that again, you know,
427
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.119
there was a specific debate even on this topic. The
428
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.000
line it might have been the line. Let's see if
429
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.719
it was the line because the two one of the
430
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.199
guys was named. It was the guys that hosted the
431
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:42.559
Malpass debate. They had a separate debate channel thing, and
432
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.760
that's who it was. And then I debated there dude
433
00:37:50.400 --> 00:38:01.199
who ended up becoming a big atheist YouTuber guy. Anyway,
434
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.679
I don't know if that exists anymore, but I can
435
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.280
try to find it. I think I might have said
436
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:10.119
it in my archives somewhere. Anyway, Guys, I want to
437
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.039
support the stream, you could do so through superchats. Super
438
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:13.800
chats are done through stream labs. Is pin in the
439
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.440
chat there. You can also send it a super chat
440
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.400
natively through YouTube if you would like. Welcome everybody who
441
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.599
got twenty two hundred live over on YouTube and we
442
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.880
got people piling into the Twitter space. There's the super
443
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:33.559
chats there. Today we're going to be reviewing Jeff Sin
444
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.000
McCaffrey in terms of the Atheist Unstoppable. No, it was
445
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.079
a different It was two.
446
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.639
Guys that had a.
447
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.360
One guy was a Navy nuclear sub guy. It's the
448
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:53.400
two guys that did the malpass discussion. So let me
449
00:38:53.400 --> 00:39:02.119
see who those guys were. Non sequitur that was the show,
450
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.760
other types of sistant. Okay, so non sequitor. I don't
451
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.760
know does this still exist? So it looks like they're
452
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:16.719
still posting stuff. And uh so they even up to
453
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.360
a few months ago they were posting Derek mythvision stuff. Okay,
454
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.719
so let's say if they still have my Hollywood debate
455
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:40.840
up because I was vindicated, I was correct. All right,
456
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:49.280
let's just try searching my name. Oh, here it is.
457
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:55.679
It's still there, mister atheist, that's the guy. So here's
458
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.760
my debate seven eight years ago with mister atheist, and
459
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.920
lo and behold, here we are seven years later, the
460
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.800
Epsteine information has dumped massively, and who was correct? I was,
461
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.280
And again, what do you expect? Of course the guy
462
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.440
didn't read the book, but uh, mister atheists did become
463
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.840
a large YouTube channel. I don't know if he still
464
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.880
is doing stuff, but there is my eight year ago
465
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.599
debate with mister atheists. This, by the way, doesn't it doesn't.
466
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.480
It's very hard to find these Who is Jeff Say McAffrey.
467
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.280
I don't know. I never heard of him. He's he's
468
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.440
a mysterious character. Let's see if mister atheist is still
469
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:42.400
out here. Yes, he got up to three point fifty.
470
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:49.960
He's live right now. And they're calling out MAGA. Wow, edgy, dude,
471
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.840
imagine being an atheist calling out MAGA as if that's
472
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.920
like some kind of like was that that wasn't even
473
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.760
edgy in twenty sixteen, dude, It's like everybody could see
474
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.719
that there were some pretty significant problems in MAGA. But
475
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:12.639
so that's where mister atheist is at. And again, you know,
476
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:17.599
Internet atheism has really been dying out the last eight
477
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.280
ten years, mainly because, as we said, it was kind
478
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.960
of a propped up thing in the domain of you know,
479
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.480
Reddit YouTube early on, and most of these people that
480
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.119
were sort of the face of it ended up being
481
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.159
i think exposed pretty much as suits, right, I mean,
482
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.599
most of these people were not really intellectual. And you've
483
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:46.639
got a few hangers on with Professor Dave. Professor Dave
484
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.159
and I guess Derek mythvision is an atheist agnostic. I
485
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.239
don't know, but you know, again, Derek is having a
486
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.000
hard time with losing a debate a year ago. So
487
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.960
it seems to me like the easiest thing to do,
488
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:08.199
if it was an unfair situation is to say, hey, okay,
489
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.679
come on a formal debate in a neutral setting. And
490
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.039
Derek said, no, we'll not do that. Okay, So there
491
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.239
we go. What does that tell you? By the way,
492
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.360
if tag is so stupid, if tag is such a bad,
493
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.719
low tier argument, wouldn't it just be really easy for
494
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.559
these guys to come on a formal debate and to
495
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.679
refute it. I mean, it should be really easy, right,
496
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.199
But you know what they have to do is they
497
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.280
have to go to professors. They have to bring on
498
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.039
professors in their cope streams after the debates. Even Matt
499
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.159
dillamunkey to this. Remember he had to bring on Professor
500
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.440
Ozzy and somebody else because after our debate, he felt
501
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.239
like you didn't do very well. Now should we shift
502
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.280
gears over into Jeff Siy McCaffrey, because I'll give a
503
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.360
spot if anbody who's an atheist agnostic, if you're on
504
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.440
the Twitter space, raise your hand if you want to
505
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.880
call in. We'll try to hit a couple of these
506
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.000
before we go into Jeff sim McCaffrey. Now, we're gonna
507
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.280
have open calls all day. We're going to be covering
508
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.480
the rest of the bandon eein interview because it's so bombshell.
509
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:06.840
I know there's gonna be slow parts, some of us
510
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.840
a little boring. We're going to pick back up after
511
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.719
the first twenty minutes or so that we saw the
512
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.159
other night, and that'll help us, help us, I think,
513
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.559
to move forward. We might put it on fast, you know, speed,
514
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.679
so that we get through it. Nicolas, what's up? Nicolas?
515
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:26.000
Do you think?
516
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:28.960
Yeah? What's up? Yeah?
517
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:29.360
Hey?
518
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:29.599
Jay?
519
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.559
I love to work. Yeah, I have a question for you.
520
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.519
How do you not get as someone new to this stuff,
521
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.119
how do you not get overtaken by Because I'm on
522
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.960
Twitter and I'm new to it, I'm seeing all.
523
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.599
The slips of all these things, of the Bitanic rituals,
524
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:48.519
How do I not get like.
525
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:50.679
Something of that?
526
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.000
And then I want to remain bround?
527
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:52.679
Did you know what I mean?
528
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.039
Yeah, you go check out the Orthodox Church, and you
529
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.599
start to go to the Orthodox Church, and you become
530
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:03.880
an inquirer and then a cat human And that's the
531
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.320
best defense against the reality of this kind of satanic
532
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.400
situation that we're in, because remember, you know, for many years,
533
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.400
I remember being depressed when I first came across this information.
534
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.039
In two thousand and three, I read the first book
535
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.519
I'd ever read on ritual abuse, William Kennedy's book, and
536
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.880
that kind of introduced me to the subject matter. I
537
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.679
found it to be very difficult, very dark, hard to accept,
538
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.920
and since that time I have studied it extensively. And
539
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.639
it's not all real. Obviously, there's a lot of dissentel
540
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.159
and there's fake stuff, and there's, you know, an element
541
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.880
of sensationalism to the Satanic panic, but there's also an
542
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:44.360
element of absolutely real, hardcore stuff that goes on, and yes,
543
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.440
they throw it in people's faces as part of the
544
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.360
degrading of the population, A degraded demoralized population is much
545
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:56.199
easier to steer and to control. Thus, atheism and materialism,
546
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.360
as I've said for many, many years, are absolutely essential
547
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.039
the part of tyrannical regimes and deep state operators. They
548
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.760
would love to have atheism and materialism promoted because it
549
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.239
debases the population. The population has no moral compass, they
550
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.360
have no objective standards to try to rein in the passions.
551
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.840
And what happens is you get a population control and
552
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.880
steered by their passions. So when you see the leftists
553
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:22.440
and the Antifa and all these people out in the street,
554
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.559
this glob of you know, millions of people that have
555
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.639
this borg high mindset that are essentially a giant Gollumn creature.
556
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.920
That's exactly the way the Cabbalistic texts describe the debasing
557
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.320
and the controlling of the population. It's a technique that
558
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.719
can be used at a very sophisticated high level. And
559
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.199
as we see, as we're gonna see, because I saw
560
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.679
several sections of this interview over the last week, Jeffrey
561
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.360
Epstein is not a proponent of scientism. In fact, he's
562
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.079
apparently a proponent of cobbalism and perennialism and that's what
563
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.880
we're going to see, I think as we get through
564
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:07.400
this interview with Bannon here. But I would say, for example,
565
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.400
we saw last year's Olympic ceremony, which we covered extensively
566
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.920
on many, many large podcasts. We went into quite a
567
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.599
bit of depth about the intentional inversion of blasphemy in
568
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.920
those you know, trans version of the Last Supper all
569
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.480
this stuff. So yes, I would say, with with that
570
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.000
being the case last year with the Olympics, and when
571
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.320
we see inverted pentagrams this year, of course it's intentional. Right,
572
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.880
So how do I know? Well, because there's the last
573
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.960
year's entire ceremony was intentionally about the French Revolution, the
574
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:43.000
bloodbath of you know, the Committee for Public Safety. That
575
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:47.320
was all shown in an artistic way explicitly in last
576
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.119
year's Olympic ceremony, and then they concluded with a trans
577
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.800
version of the Last Supper. So of course it was satanic.
578
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.920
Of course it was on purpose, and so of course
579
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.639
this would be as well. Now, we did podcasts ten
580
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.440
to fifteen years ago highlighting the satanic nature of a
581
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.920
lot of the Super Bowl ceremonies and the Super Bowl stuff,
582
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.960
and it turns out you've got even pop star musicians
583
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.840
essentially agring with us now saying yeah, that's true. For example,
584
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:18.960
if you guys saw the interview of the podcast that
585
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.239
Billy Corgan did recently from Smashing Pumpkins, he says, you
586
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.400
know a lot of these pop stars in their ceremonies
587
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.079
are more satanic, so to speak, than the you know,
588
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.840
so called heavy metal satanic panic stuff. And that's absolutely true.
589
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.400
I mean, you've got Lil nas X literally like but
590
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.760
humping the devil. I mean it's just or the double
591
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:42.639
humping him. So it's like, I mean, they're degrading the population.
592
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.599
It's this is a known technique in psychological warfare and
593
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:53.159
non conventional warfare. You can degrade the opponent the opposition
594
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.039
through for example, sexual compromise. You know, when we did
595
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.960
our lectures on espionage, which I reposted the first half
596
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.679
of that the other day, by the way, if you
597
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:09.199
scroll down, we covered the historians text Sexpionage by Boer
598
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:18.159
Bower Bower Boer, and we saw that there were many
599
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.800
instances in recent history, in the last several hundred years
600
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:28.039
where you had very perceptive military operators, agents, spies, on
601
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.960
and on and on who had figured out that hey,
602
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.360
Wait a minute. If we set up a bunch of
603
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.280
for example, the case of Kenji Doihara, if we set
604
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.719
up a bunch of opium dens in China, and if
605
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.480
I set up a network of prostitutes that are trained
606
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:47.079
in Japan to be in those Chinese brothels, I can
607
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.000
have the degrade of the population advanced intel because the
608
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.000
prostitutes are going to be my informants. And then once
609
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:58.400
everybody's addicted to opium, it's I'm all good, right. And
610
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.440
kenjud'hara was doing that before even the British Empire was
611
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.599
doing it, So Japan had figured that out as a
612
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.760
technique even before the British had, at least in terms
613
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.519
of the way bowert outlines the history. Bower, excuse me,
614
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:18.199
where is that one at? Anyway, it's on my wall somewhere.
615
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.440
I'm not going to scroll to all that's trying to
616
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.559
find it. But if you go to my channel and
617
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.679
you type in sexpionage, it'll come up. It's one of
618
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.519
the more recent global elite lecture texts that we did. Now,
619
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.880
guess what turns out in the sphere of Jeff Stin McAffrey,
620
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.360
it's the exact same situation we have as Whitney webs
621
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.519
excellent book outlines from my publisher, all of the same
622
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.400
techniques and tactics that the British Empire was doing, largely
623
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.760
through a lot of the information that Lord Rochald had
624
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.960
figured out. That's exactly why Lord Rochald brought Robert Maxwell
625
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.159
into this operation, recruited him, and then got just laying
626
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.599
to train jeff Stein McCaffrey. So that's one confirmed. There's
627
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.679
no disputing that. That's all. Well, no, none of that
628
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.920
is even disputed. Guys, who want to sport the stream,
629
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:06.639
you can do so through super chats, super touch down,
630
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.360
through stream labs. Uh, that's not stream labs, but it's
631
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.079
Penn in the chat. I'm just pointing out that like
632
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.000
atheists lose on every front, dude, Like they try to
633
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.440
defend every establishment position, most of these normy atheists, and
634
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.239
by doing that they show that they're actually just NPCs,
635
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.440
Like they don't even they're not even against the establishment.
636
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.199
That's why they have to resort to, well, let's stream
637
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.920
against manga, as if that's some kind of like edgy
638
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:44.079
thing disciple. Derek, what's up. We're going to read a
639
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.639
little few proverbs for our daily dose of wisdom before
640
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.000
we get into the Jeff stiin McCaffrey text, what's up, man,
641
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:50.519
I'm you.
642
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:52.559
For sure?
643
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:58.599
So I do a lot of End Times eschatology, difficult
644
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.960
dissection and Mike, my question is you know you're talking
645
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.480
about the rule of Satan. We clearly see that Donald
646
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.760
Trump was exalted as the Prince of Peace by the
647
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.719
Israel Heritage Foundation. Jerusalem Post refers to him as the
648
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:14.800
Savior of Israel.
649
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.679
We're not doing it. No, Donald Trump is not the Antichrist.
650
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.679
It's too stupid. Don't stop it up my string, dude,
651
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.679
Come on, Jamie, would you make another expresso?
652
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:23.039
Thank you?
653
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.159
No stupiding up the stream today. Zero tolerance for retardation,
654
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.000
immediately gonna boot you. You better have a good topic
655
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.199
or a good question. What's up man? Thank you, babe,
656
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:40.480
appreciate that. I'm going to What up, dog? I'm mute.
657
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:49.079
I'll fight you naked. I'm mute. Oh hey, hey, what's up?
658
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.800
I just wanted to say that I'm I was a
659
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.320
part of the new atheist movement.
660
00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:00.280
Oh you're a new atheist? Okay, yeah, and I.
661
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.159
Still call myself a non believer. But some of the
662
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.599
things that are now associated with that movement. I mean,
663
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.920
it's just basically the whole thing just went woke.
664
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:09.880
It was insane.
665
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:10.599
Yeah, it is.
666
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.199
Well, that is interesting. I remember back when I first
667
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:18.239
started debating atheists in twenty fifteen sixteen, ironically, a lot
668
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.679
of the even the YouTube atheist sphere of people were
669
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.280
not woke, and so I think that there was probably
670
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:31.599
some move or decision high up, probably to try to
671
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.079
turn it into just another mouthpiece for woke.
672
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:36.960
Overall.
673
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.760
I'd just say, like, I don't consider Christians enemies anymore,
674
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.679
even though I don't believe. But where that whole thing
675
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:49.679
seemed to turn was when Dawkins started getting accusations, or
676
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:50.239
at least.
677
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:51.800
That's what I noticed it first, at least.
678
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.599
But it was really disturbing to watch everybody who claimed
679
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.880
to be this irrational person who's above it all start
680
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.519
doing that religious woke thing.
681
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.320
Are you saying that when they came after Dawkins because
682
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.000
he wasn't woke enough, or you saying that Dawkins went woke?
683
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:09.880
What are you referring to?
684
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:11.719
Uh?
685
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.880
They kind of they started doing the me too.
686
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:16.280
Didn't they meet to him?
687
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:17.639
Yeah?
688
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:21.079
They tried to meet to Dawkins, right, Yeah.
689
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.679
That was sort of one of the tactics employed by
690
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.239
the woke elements that started kind of taking things over.
691
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.159
And then it was just a question of.
692
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.480
Whether or not you got whether or.
693
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.960
Not you decided joining bushes with those people, or.
694
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.519
Whether or not you just stopped being a part of
695
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:44.320
those functions. They sort of took over the the speaking circuit,
696
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.719
which is where the thought leadership was.
697
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:51.840
Good point, and uh, we also got the dark Enlightenment
698
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:58.239
people popping up at the same time. Good point. Yeah.
699
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.599
I remember even a few my ago seeing us in
700
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.360
the atheists sphere, various people talking about how they were
701
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.320
like the left atheists, saying, we've got to make sure
702
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.599
that we don't let anybody who's not a left atheist
703
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.760
into our public atheism sphere. So that's still going on
704
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.280
to make sure that it's all woke, and that's by design,
705
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.440
and I think a lot of this Jeff Stain mcgeffrey
706
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:26.880
stuff points in that direction. Keep in mind too, that
707
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.320
it's not just the atheism sphere. I think there's a
708
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:34.519
real parallel with what's happening over the years on four chan,
709
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:40.920
the connections to Epstein just laying Maxwell at radit the
710
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.079
atheism that's being pushed so hard throughout those outlets, degrading
711
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.519
and debasing the population, particularly that generation of millennial and
712
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.880
younger millennial and Gen Z to be raised in just
713
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.199
absolute degeneracy, to brutalize in the base of public. Now,
714
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.920
if you think that doesn't exist, I would remind you
715
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:12.360
that there's a great clip of BB and you might
716
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.239
be surprised to hear BB saying this, but not if
717
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.960
you're used to my channel, you would not be surprised
718
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:28.920
because BB understood twenty four or five years ago and
719
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.639
even in the nineties, how to debase a population and
720
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.400
how to exert soft power through pop culture. The very
721
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.360
thing that I wrote my books about that people for
722
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.199
so many years, so many decades, when the articles before
723
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.599
the books, people call me crazy, timpul hat, oh you're so,
724
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.039
You're just a piece of shit, you're trash or this
725
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.480
or that. Just thousands and thousands of people. Well here's
726
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.760
not Yahoo in two thousand and two talking about the
727
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.719
very thing that I discussed in my books.
728
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:59.440
Just see it was even changed at least I would
729
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.559
any just as I would like to see in Iraq.
730
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.840
The question now is a practical question, what is the
731
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.159
best place to proceed. It's not a question of whether
732
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.880
Iraq's regime should be taken out, but when should it
733
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.000
be taken out. It's not a question of whether you'd
734
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.320
like to see a regime change in Iran, but how
735
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:18.400
to achieve it. Iran has something that Iraq doesn't have.
736
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.079
Iran has, for example, two hundred and fifty thousand satellite dishes.
737
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:26.119
It has the internet use. I once said to the
738
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.719
chair the heads of the CIA when I was Prime
739
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.159
Minister that if you want to advance regime change in Iran,
740
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:34.559
you don't have to go through the CIA cloak and
741
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:35.320
dagger stuff.
742
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.440
What you want to do is.
743
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.639
Is take very large, very strong transponders and just being
744
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.519
Melroe's Place and Beverly Hills two five oh and all
745
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.559
that into Tehran and into Iran. Because that is subversive stuff.
746
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.440
They watch it, The young kids watch it. The young people.
747
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.320
They want to have the same nice clothes at the
748
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.760
same houses, swimming pools and so on. And that is
749
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:08.360
something that is available in forces internal forces of dissension
750
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:13.280
that are available in Iran, which is paradoxically probably the
751
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.840
most open society in.
752
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:16.800
That part of the world.
753
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.719
It is a lot more open than Iraq, which is
754
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.320
probably the most close society out earth, and therefore you
755
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:28.760
have no ability to foment this kind of dynamic inside Iraq.
756
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:35.920
So the question now is choose you can beam Melrose place.
757
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.079
But it may take a long time. On the other hand,
758
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:42.519
if you take out Saddam Saddam's regime, I guarantee you
759
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:47.159
that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region.
760
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.840
And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran,
761
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.679
young people and many others will say the time of
762
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.119
such regimes, of such just bots is gone. There is
763
00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:59.760
a new age, something new is happening.
764
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.440
So he's talking about what's called soft power.
765
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:02.679
There.
766
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:08.320
This is a idea pioneered from Kennedy School. This is
767
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.679
Joseph Nye who wrote the famous paper and then book
768
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:15.039
on soft power. This is Council on Foreign Relations level stuff.
769
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.280
We have done talks on the Joseph Nice's material and
770
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.679
his information for years. Of course, nobody listens to that.
771
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.119
That's too boring. You've got to watch your sports hole today.
772
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:29.360
But if you want to understand the real levers of power,
773
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.639
you would be listening to what I talk about with
774
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.039
soft power and Joseph Nie, and that's exactly what he's
775
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.039
talking about here. Back in two thousand and two, you
776
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.679
understood that the power of Hollywood and pop culture is
777
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:47.199
much more effective than tanks and regime change and all that. Now,
778
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.480
that doesn't mean they won't resort to that, But there
779
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:54.360
you go. There's that from your boy, Bibie. What's up?
780
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:00.239
Noah? Uh?
781
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.559
I tried to call in yesterday but didn't work.
782
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:07.360
What's on your mind?
783
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:07.519
Dog?
784
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:09.960
Uh?
785
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:10.519
So?
786
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:11.440
I found an.
787
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.280
Interesting thing in the files that I think is something
788
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.920
you've talked about before and in some confirmation.
789
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:22.119
I don't think you've seen it yet. Okay, So it's Epstein.
790
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.440
It's actually this guy named Gino U who's like a
791
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:27.159
Chinese professor.
792
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.119
Yeah, the stage three I covered?
793
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:29.159
That?
794
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:31.280
Was it?
795
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.039
The thing about constructed realities digital realities?
796
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:36.440
Uh?
797
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.599
No, I'm talking about the one where he talks about
798
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.239
he's spotted a girl that he thinks could be useful
799
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.159
for Epstein, who's quote stage three in the process. Is
800
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:46.000
this a separate one?
801
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:46.719
Oh?
802
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:47.000
Right?
803
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:48.679
So yeah, so it is this guy.
804
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.519
So this guy talks to him about a bunch of
805
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.199
this kind of quote like wu wu. Yeah, but this
806
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:56.719
is actually interesting it's more about the idea of like
807
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.519
using digital realities like constructed video.
808
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:04.840
Games to analyze people's decisions and.
809
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:11.000
Predict their their worldview in order to make predictions about
810
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.559
what they would do in the future. And it's kind
811
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.079
of I think what you've talked about before, like with
812
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:21.599
social media, when you control the inputs, you can also
813
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:22.599
predict the outputs.
814
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:27.639
Yeah, that's feedback loop. Yeah, so that's exactly. Yeah, Minds
815
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.679
of Men. That documentary goes into that from how Norbert
816
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.239
Wiener kind of pioneered that idea of feedback loops and
817
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:41.119
mastering reality through you know, DARPA style, you know future
818
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.440
actually predicted technology and all that. Yeah, we talked to that.
819
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:47.239
That's also in foundation. If you're head Asimov, which we've
820
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:50.519
done streams on Asimov before. Shout out to the live audience.
821
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.760
We've got almost three thousand, some of my first three
822
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:58.519
thousand live audience, I think without any big dumps from
823
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.519
big channels at least, I don't think anybody did a
824
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.079
big dump. So shout out to Jake or Crucible if
825
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.239
they did, but I didn't see it if they did.
826
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.199
So we're going to hit three thousand on my first
827
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.400
line now, this Greiper over here says there's no emotion
828
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.000
on Dyer's channel, there's no motion. He can't get anything.
829
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.480
Oh really, We hit three thousand live this week, twenty
830
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.679
to twenty five thousand total on each of these live streams,
831
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.280
and the five hour live streams of Getting aywhere from
832
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.480
forty to fifty thousand views, as well as several hundred
833
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:38.000
thousand clips on X and then my channel just this
834
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.320
week gained five thousand subscribers on YouTube and I think
835
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.719
I gained three to four thousand on X. So I
836
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.440
would say there's a little bit of motion. There's some
837
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:53.119
motion in this ocean, baby, don't don't hate the player,
838
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.199
hate the game. How's it go? Anyway? All right, let's
839
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.320
get into jeff Simon, Jeffrey Uh if any last calls
840
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:06.719
here on anything else, Michael, what I'll do? What's up?
841
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:07.199
My wigger?
842
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:10.559
Hey?
843
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:10.840
Jay?
844
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:13.039
Hey? I uh?
845
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:17.280
I just so, I I kind of helped to break
846
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.440
the story of the Epstein story back in twenty sixteen.
847
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:20.679
Or wherever it was.
848
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.000
But I wrote an article for the uh, the American Conservative,
849
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:27.360
and I got a call from Tucker Carlson's producer, El
850
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.360
Dad you're on, asking me to come on to talk
851
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.760
about it, and so I say, cool, that was all right.
852
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:33.559
So I uh so they you know, I was.
853
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.840
Driving into the to the station and uh and he
854
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.079
called me again. He said, he said, I just wanted
855
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.639
to make a request. I said, what's that. He said,
856
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.960
don't talk about Trump. Don't talk about the Trump connection.
857
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.119
The audience doesn't want.
858
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:46.320
To hear that.
859
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.000
And uh, I was pretty new to you know, to
860
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:50.519
the scene.
861
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.320
So I just, you know, I was Tucker Carlson's an
862
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.840
iam Fox News. So I agreed. I didn't go on.
863
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:55.960
I I didn't.
864
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.239
Uh, I didn't talk about it.
865
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.000
But then, you know, like it was six months ago,
866
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.880
the Epstein files quote unquote breaks again, right, and everyone's saying, oh,
867
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.800
it's Trump and the Epstein files and say, well, of
868
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.760
course Trump's in the EPs.
869
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.159
I was blown away.
870
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.039
I couldn't believe it, because, you know, I think anyone
871
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.000
that's been paying attention to that Trump was all over
872
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.000
the Epsteam files. But you know, mainstream media, rights right
873
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:21.920
wing media was running interference for Trump. Hart I mean
874
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.320
to the point where most people didn't realize that he
875
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.000
was friends with Jeffrey Epstein because that was all suppressed
876
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:28.559
so hard.
877
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:33.719
But the story started to break. Well, I don't know
878
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.840
about all that that. I'm not faulting you, but like
879
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.159
I interviewed the person who broke the story way before
880
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.519
twenty sixteen, Nick Bryant. Nick Bryant was doing the STUF
881
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.000
back in the two thousands. So what do you mean
882
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.360
you broke it? Yeah, so I misspoked.
883
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.880
I guess it was when it really kind of like
884
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.000
started to become mainstream, not to just when it was
885
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.039
so I guess, yeah, misspoke.
886
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.239
We were helping to amplify it, and.
887
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.480
It was, you know, thank good it is making it
888
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.280
started to make it started to get some traction because
889
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.119
you know, it's it's it's the.
890
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.480
Big it's But I guess I'm just I'm trying to say, is.
891
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.400
Like I think, but people aren't really black built enough.
892
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.440
Even the people that are getting black built now, they're
893
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.320
not black built enough. Because this is like this has
894
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.159
been They've been Trump They've been, you know, actively covering
895
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.960
this up for I mean for for decades.
896
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:23.199
This has been well known.
897
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.760
And then but even the you know, even the the
898
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.360
biggest organs of power like Fox News, like the White
899
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.719
House have been have been have been covering this up.
900
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:36.800
Well, I think it was definitely a mistake for Trump
901
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:41.159
to cover up for the intelligence agencies. I think Lord
902
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:46.159
Voldemort is correct about that analysis. But you know, there
903
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.960
may have been potential legal threats that they could have
904
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.199
to undergo. I don't know, but I yeah, I mean
905
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.039
I still want to you know, I hope that the
906
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:02.079
president isn't implicated. I know that he's close. He was
907
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:04.559
close to in New Epstein. But you do have emails
908
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.599
where Epstein says I couldn't get Trump to get a massage.
909
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.679
He says to Wolf, we got to get rid of Trump,
910
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.719
p at tressure on pressure on Trump. You know, where
911
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.239
is the I'm not saying that there's not, but we
912
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:21.480
need to see the actual, like hardcore information that does
913
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.159
implicate Trump. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. I'm
914
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.159
just simply saying that we've seen a lot of fake
915
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:30.400
AI stuff. My main criticism of Trump has been the
916
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.599
the warp speed, the bloomer dum, and the sort of
917
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.199
just doing whatever Israel wants. I think those are major
918
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:41.360
points of criticism. Uh So, it's not I'm not a
919
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.280
like a Maga cult person who doesn't have a problem.
920
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.679
I'm post politics. I've been I've been post party politics
921
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.199
since Ron Paul Era, dude. But so now we've got
922
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.199
Lucas Gage going crazy talking shit. He's so glad that
923
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:04.800
they uh have refuted me. And this guy is really unhinged.
924
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:09.880
He's constantly sort of going off on everybody. Everybody's a grifter,
925
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:16.320
everybody's bag because he's the greatest champion of anti Israel stuff.
926
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.159
And you know when he's called in, the two or
927
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.719
three times that he's called in over here, I've been
928
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.880
kind and tried to explain philosophical concepts to him, and
929
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.360
he has no idea what they are, what they mean.
930
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:34.519
And these are people who are way overconfident in their
931
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:35.920
skill sets and their abilities.
932
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:36.159
Right.
933
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:40.159
Think about professor Dave. Okay, we have a mid tier
934
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:47.000
what does he have, like a TV VCR repair background
935
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:51.320
with the community college that he taught at. He says
936
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:54.599
it was a trade university. Yeah, trade universities where you
937
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.039
get like your HVAC tv VCR repair certification. So he
938
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:03.440
taught there. Okay, Wow, that's that's really profound. Lucas Gage,
939
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:08.599
then a way, overestimates his capabilities. He thinks he's a philosopher,
940
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:10.039
and you remember when he called in, he was.
941
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.599
Like, oh, it was Christianity stuff. Why do you just
942
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:16.159
talk about like, uh, like now we're all one, like
943
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:18.760
everything is like buddhas onever.
944
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.960
It's that level. Okay, So we're dealing with people that
945
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.360
are this level. They think that science is like a religion, right,
946
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.400
so when we talk about scientism, that's what we mean.
947
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:31.599
And I'll bet your money that guy won't come over
948
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.960
here in debate because you know, most of these people
949
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.920
are just we live in a situation where people have
950
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.199
not been educated. That's a big part of it. But
951
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.079
even with a lot of information, even with an Internet
952
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.559
at your fingertips that has basically you know, the world's
953
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:54.840
the world's information at your fingertips, people are not being educated.
954
01:07:54.880 --> 01:08:00.239
They're actually getting stupider, they're becoming less educated. I will
955
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.400
bet you anybody in this chat, I'll bet you one
956
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:05.599
hundred dollars that if we can get Luca's gauge on
957
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.360
here and we can get him to engage, lucas engaged,
958
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.719
I will bet you he doesn't know anything about logical
959
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:17.479
orgmentation fallacies. He can't tell you the three laws of logic.
960
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.880
I bet you couldn't take you couldn't do any of
961
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:22.199
that so let's see if we can get him to
962
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.720
come to debate. I've asked multiple times here for him
963
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.159
to come on. Hop on. He's hopped on in the past.
964
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.279
And uh, I think people think that like just shit
965
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:35.800
talking is going to be some kind of like I
966
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:40.640
think they think it's like a a replacement for actual engagement.
967
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.239
And that makes sense in a reddit four chan debased
968
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:47.039
and degraded society. So you've got a whole generation of
969
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:51.800
people have been degraded and brutalized and what does Charles
970
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:57.640
Carroll say, mind graped, and so they're not able to
971
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.079
reason through things with an educated understanding. They all, for example,
972
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:09.000
will cite peer review papers as the peer review papers
973
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.960
are approved. Well, peerview papers might be an evidence, but
974
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:16.119
we also know that peerview papers oftentimes contain fraudulent research
975
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:20.760
and fraudulent data and conclusions. Even one of their want
976
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:24.680
to be new atheist luminaries, James Lindsay, made a name
977
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.880
for himself on Joe Rogan by exposing the fraudulent nature
978
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:34.279
of those peer viewed networks. So even their own call
979
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:37.119
this out right. We saw the Lancet, one of the
980
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.399
premier medical journals in the world, right out of the UK.
981
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.920
The Lancet had a famous paper which I've cited countless
982
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:46.119
times years ago, saying that uppers of fifty percent peer
983
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:51.119
review papers are actually fraudulent, and they called it a crisis,
984
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:57.039
a crisis of trying to remember the terminologies, like a
985
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:03.199
crisis of faith, which is ironic something like that. Okay, cool,
986
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.439
So then it should be easy for these people to
987
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:12.880
demonstrate at a very basic, you know, rudimentary level, the
988
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:18.399
flaws in our reasoning, and they ought to have much
989
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:23.119
more convincing, significant answers as to why we ought to
990
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.840
believe their position. But you know what's wild is that
991
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:27.680
every time we bring them on and we ask them
992
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:32.560
very basic questions about justification, why, what are the good
993
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:36.119
reasons to believe or position? What are the fallacies that
994
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.840
I'm committing, they don't know anything. And you just heard
995
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:46.159
Professor Dave say, oh, it's it's what I say.
996
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:46.439
It is.
997
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.720
Shut up, Jim Bob, it's what I say. Let's listen
998
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:50.239
to this again.
999
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.680
And so why would I Why would I listen to
1000
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:00.800
sounds coming from a purposeless brain because I'm right?
1001
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.239
So this is all you get from these ucations. And
1002
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.439
at the end of the day. It's just pure arrogance.
1003
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.600
It's t dump level saying reality is reality is true
1004
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:14.800
because I say it's true. No actual argumentation, and they
1005
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:19.439
don't even understand the argument that you're making. Jumbob is
1006
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.039
making a devastating disteleology argument. What does that mean? It
1007
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:26.760
means that at a macro level, at a universal level,
1008
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.880
if there's no purpose to anything in reality, then there
1009
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.720
isn't really purpose at all. Purpose is kind of an illusory,
1010
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:37.680
sort of localized temporal thing that in the big, big scale,
1011
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:43.000
is meaningless. And Dave says, yeah, my brain is meaningless
1012
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:47.119
and purposeless. Well, guess what if your brain is meaningless
1013
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:52.560
and purposeless it's non purposive, then that means that your
1014
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:58.399
statements are non purposive and meaningless. So atheists are literally saying,
1015
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:04.000
my actual worldview means that my life, my arguments, and
1016
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.359
my sentences are meaningless and retarded, purposelessness and just bubblings
1017
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.520
up of chemical reactions that have no significance. But also,
1018
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:18.159
by the way, I'm my own god and we're evolving
1019
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:24.399
to become transhumanist god beings. So note the absolute insanity
1020
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:29.680
of the presuppositional level contradiction in their world views. Their
1021
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.800
world views at a fundamental level are so contradictory that
1022
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.479
when they get actually pinned and called out, they have
1023
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:43.119
a melt down and they just go absolutely batshit, insaying,
1024
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.960
going after me, they have to call out my wife? Right,
1025
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:47.960
that's how shitty these people are, like they have to
1026
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.800
go after Jamie and their videos because they are degraded
1027
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.359
and debased goblins. And then when you ask them to
1028
01:12:54.399 --> 01:13:00.359
actually do a public debate, they won't do it. Remember,
1029
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.319
one of my best arguments is the half nug argument.
1030
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.279
I think this is a good one. So remember that
1031
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:12.199
the mutations occur and they progress from generation to generation
1032
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.359
when they're advantageous. Interesting, what is the advantage of one
1033
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.920
eighth of a PP? The nub? Right? The nub argument. Now,
1034
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:21.880
I know a lot of these people have a micro
1035
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.359
penis problem, and that's probably why they identify with it.
1036
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:26.960
They understand what it's like to have a micro pep,
1037
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:28.520
and so I think they want to feel like they
1038
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.640
were they had a purpose in the evolutionary chain. My
1039
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.800
atheist reddit micropp did have a purpose. My nub had
1040
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:40.239
a purpose, I promise you. Although wait a minute, Da've
1041
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:45.319
just said there's not actually any purpose. Somebody said, Dave
1042
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:47.600
is the final boss of Reddit. We thought it was
1043
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:52.800
just laying, but it's actually Dave because he has a big,
1044
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:59.479
big brain and a big nose. So interesting. Somebody in
1045
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.960
the comments said that because after his video he sent
1046
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:05.800
a bunch of his atheist goblins to comment. Somebody said,
1047
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.119
fuck around with a brain and find out, and I
1048
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:10.439
was like, it would have been so much better if
1049
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:14.680
you said fucking around with the nose and find out. Rachel,
1050
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:15.359
what's up? Rachel?
1051
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.680
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I sent
1052
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:24.720
you to your inbox.
1053
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:30.159
Me explaining to Derek on the timeline here why we
1054
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:32.000
have to debate the worldview.
1055
01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:35.159
First, because you can't just interpret anything whether it's a
1056
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:36.760
text or history.
1057
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:41.640
Or anything else until you because you have to interpret
1058
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.479
those things through a worldview. If the worldview is incoherent,
1059
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.279
you're going to get the wrong interpretation. And his response
1060
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:51.640
is pretty hilarious.
1061
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:52.920
So I thought you might be interested in that, and
1062
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:54.960
tell Jamie don't worry about the people.
1063
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.039
That attack her, because this is what these idiots do.
1064
01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.960
When they can't punch our husbands, they punch uh like
1065
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.560
it's It's exactly like if they were standing next to
1066
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.079
you and Jamie, and they're too scared to punch you
1067
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:08.760
in the face, so they just turn and punch your
1068
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.039
wise in the face. Happens to me like constantly with Andrew,
1069
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.439
where people are too scared to like go after him directly, so.
1070
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:16.319
They just attack me.
1071
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.359
So yeah, well it's interesting. Yeah, I appreciate that, Rachel.
1072
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:22.079
I mean I try to tell Jamie that too, is
1073
01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.159
like these are not intellectuals, but I don't worry about it,
1074
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.640
like these are these are suits and this is what
1075
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.319
suits do. But you know, if they were looking for
1076
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.840
me to offer a debate, I guess they achieved that,
1077
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.560
and but I don't think they're going to do it
1078
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:38.560
except for Gnostic informant. However, we got a whole week
1079
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:42.199
for gnostic Informant to come up with an excuse as
1080
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.199
to why he can't do a debate next Monday on
1081
01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:46.720
the Crucible. Shout out to the Crucible into Rachel and Andrew.
1082
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:49.319
The debate will be over there at the Crucial Monday night.
1083
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.479
I think we said in nine or something, nine or eight,
1084
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:56.640
it'll be up. We'll have a we'll have the all
1085
01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:59.439
that posted all week long. What's up, John, what's on
1086
01:15:59.520 --> 01:15:59.840
your mind?
1087
01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:07.279
I was gonna read something from Propaganda by Jacques Lull.
1088
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.880
Okay, is it really long or short?
1089
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:12.960
I'll all stir it up a bit.
1090
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:17.880
But basically in light of what you were just talking about,
1091
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.319
and it says that the state can no longer govern
1092
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:25.760
without the masses, which nowadays are closely involved in politics.
1093
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.239
But these masses of people.
1094
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:29.960
Are composed of individuals, and from.
1095
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.359
The point of the view, the problem is slightly different.
1096
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:36.039
They're interested in politics and consider themselves concerned with politics,
1097
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.920
even if they are not forced to participate actively.
1098
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:42.039
Because they live in a democracy, and they.
1099
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.560
Embrace politics as soon as somebody wants to take the
1100
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.000
democratic regime away from them. But this presents them with
1101
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:52.000
a problem that are way over their heads. They're faced
1102
01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:56.239
with choices and decision with which demand maturity, knowledge, and
1103
01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.720
a range of information which which they do not and
1104
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:03.000
cannot have. And elections are limited to the selection of individuals,
1105
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:06.680
which reduces the problem participation to its simplest form. The
1106
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:11.159
individual wishes to participate in other ways than just elections.
1107
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.920
He wants to be conversant with economic questions, in fact.
1108
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.439
His government asks him to be. He wants to form
1109
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:20.600
an opinion on foreign policy, but he can't.
1110
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.119
He is caught between his desire and his inability, which
1111
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:28.079
he refuses to accept, for no citizen will believe that
1112
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:29.960
he is unable to have opinions.
1113
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:32.279
And then.
1114
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:36.319
Is that from his propaganda book?
1115
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:40.479
Yeah, and then it just says the majority prefers expressing
1116
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:44.319
stupidities to not expressing any opinion at all.
1117
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:50.840
Wow, that's very perceptive. How applicable to the reddit brain
1118
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.840
reddit sphere? Is that right there? That's crazy? Yeah, that's
1119
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.319
the classic tax from Jocket Lowell on propaganda, which I've
1120
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:00.000
got over there. We need to do that book sometimes,
1121
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.479
I'm in the near future. Thank you for that. John.
1122
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:04.920
Now I'm hoping we can get Lucas Gage to come
1123
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.680
over here. So if you guys would tweet at him
1124
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:09.199
and tell him to come in here, because he's popped
1125
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:11.279
in over here and tried to, you know, discuss and
1126
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:16.039
in a civil way argue religion and theology. He was
1127
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:17.039
trying to tell me why.
1128
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:21.439
Got the Buddhisms, like the Buddhism and the God or
1129
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:23.520
whatever is like everything.
1130
01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:26.560
Is the God or whatever. It's really profound stuff from
1131
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.319
these people. And I'm thinking from we're going to get
1132
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:34.640
the same thing from a gnostic informant, because gnostic informant
1133
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:40.680
says he's a he's an Aristotelian monist, okay, which Aristota
1134
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.159
was a dualist famously. So I don't think he's going
1135
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.479
to do too well not knowing these basic ideas. But
1136
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.640
this is what you get with. You know, we live
1137
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:55.920
in a situation where people way overestimate their capabilities and
1138
01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:59.560
they think that because they've learned one discipline that that
1139
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:01.840
docipline then gives them sort of the key, the master
1140
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:06.439
key to every discipline. Now we saw that for example
1141
01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:11.800
with JF. If you remember the first big atheist debate
1142
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.159
that we did well, second we did out of co Cache,
1143
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.079
and then we did JF. JF thought that his capabilities
1144
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:21.279
in neuroscience qualified and he even says stuff like the
1145
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.439
end the debate like qualified him for everything. And then
1146
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:27.680
when I start bringing into sort of basic logical fallacies
1147
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:31.960
and you know, contradictions and flaws, he gets angry, basically
1148
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:36.640
almost rage, quits the debate, almost booted me before I said,
1149
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.920
you know, all right, all right, you know fine, let's
1150
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:42.680
let's I'll chill out, as he was about to boot
1151
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:45.520
me from the debate. But my point is that we
1152
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.680
get that with these people, right, people that are a
1153
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.840
lot of these scientism bros. A lot of people coming
1154
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.359
out of like, you know, one discipline. They did their
1155
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.760
gridework in one discipline, and they think that they're like literally,
1156
01:19:57.760 --> 01:19:59.560
I've seen this so many times. They think that their
1157
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:03.359
experts in every arena. And the same thing happens ironically
1158
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.720
with MMA bros.
1159
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:06.279
Right.
1160
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.119
Uh, We've had several people who come out of the
1161
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:13.960
mm A sphere. Uh, they get really hyped up into
1162
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:16.600
talking shit about everything and everybody else, and then they
1163
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.199
think that because they did Brazilian jiu jitsu that they're
1164
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:26.600
like somehow master debaters more like just master rebaters. Yeah,
1165
01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:30.600
good one, dude, I've heard that joke a zillion Times's
1166
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:36.279
not a master debater, he's a master vader who wants to.
1167
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:40.159
Lucas is here. He's gonna set it straight because we're
1168
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.960
a science denier. Uh, oh, science denier. What's up, Lucas?
1169
01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:51.840
You want to I'm mute, Lucas you want to i' mute.
1170
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.279
Sorry, it's that low IQ of mine, mean to myself,
1171
01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:00.239
it's that redditier iq.
1172
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:03.720
Uh, yeah, you summoned me for some reason. What's going on?
1173
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.119
Well, you summoned me because you said that you're glad
1174
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.720
that I was exposed as a suit. So how am
1175
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:10.239
I sued?
1176
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:11.560
No?
1177
01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:15.760
I posted that video because everyone it was Professor Dave,
1178
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.880
which is a left wing ship lib as everyone knows.
1179
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.880
And then myth vision, who I don't talk to. I
1180
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:23.560
don't know who he is. And then what's his name?
1181
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:23.960
Neil?
1182
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.439
So I just liked the I don't like the science denial?
1183
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:29.199
So I know that you guys, where do I deny science?
1184
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:31.840
What's that? Where did I deny science?
1185
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:34.760
Well? I mean you do think evolution's faking gay?
1186
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.760
Aren't you also a Young Earth creationist?
1187
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:40.399
So hold on? So evolutionary theory is the same thing
1188
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:40.960
as science.
1189
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:46.840
I'm saying that you don't agree with evolutionary biology.
1190
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:48.279
Right, I don't agree with macro evolution.
1191
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:52.640
No, But if you understand that what microevolution is over
1192
01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:54.920
time is what you call macro revolution, that's what you
1193
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:55.760
guys have to understand.
1194
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:57.720
The second, No, I do understand that, But how do
1195
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.960
you prove that? Where's the that's an assertion. Where's the
1196
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:00.680
proof of that?
1197
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.079
We have speciations.
1198
01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:04.159
I'm not an expert in evolution, so I can't tell
1199
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:07.279
you every single species. I know there's this ring there's
1200
01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:10.479
a ring species in California of salamanders.
1201
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:13.000
There's things like that. There's bacteria that evolves.
1202
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.119
We see it all the you want, we see it
1203
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:17.840
all the time. Have you observed that? Because science is
1204
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:18.880
an imperialive.
1205
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.319
Have you observed your great great great grandmother?
1206
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:24.359
Exactly? It's an empirical domain. So if you haven't observed it,
1207
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.119
then how do we know that that's actually the case?
1208
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:28.840
Because listen, you could art. Look when you see.
1209
01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:32.520
Here's the thing about science, it makes a prediction, then
1210
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:33.720
we confirm the prediction.
1211
01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:34.960
So if they even when you.
1212
01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.199
Go back in time and see fossis if if this,
1213
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.479
if this is true, is evolution is true, we should
1214
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:40.560
have transitional fossils.
1215
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.720
There's millions of them. Like what, that's the thing. It
1216
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:44.439
makes a prediction.
1217
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.560
Where is this evidence that you're you're making all these
1218
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:49.079
assertions and I'm asking.
1219
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:51.239
There fossils you wear the fossil record.
1220
01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.479
I'm not seen a fossil that shows the millions of
1221
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:55.680
transitions that you're talking about.
1222
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:57.920
Where is it You're not going to see millions of transitions.
1223
01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.600
You just said we do see that. Now you're saying
1224
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:01.159
we don't have mili we have.
1225
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:03.319
I don't know exactly how many fossils exist. I know
1226
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:04.159
we have tons of them.
1227
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:07.840
But how does the fossil tell you that it's the transition?
1228
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:10.439
How does the fossil itself tell you? And not an interpretation,
1229
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:12.000
because here's the thing.
1230
01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:14.920
Every time they have a fossil, you guys want another
1231
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:16.720
fossil in between those two fossils.
1232
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:18.960
And yeah, but that's begging the question. How do you
1233
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.560
know that that specific fossil is part of the transition.
1234
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:24.560
That's the thing in question, because you could see the
1235
01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:26.159
transition go over time.
1236
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:29.359
You don't see transition. That's an interpretation. That's the thing
1237
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:32.199
I'm asking you about empiricism. You're an empiricist and you're
1238
01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:34.920
saying I see transitions. No, you don't you see present
1239
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.560
day fossils that you're saying our transitions.
1240
01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:39.199
Here's the thing, here's the problem here.
1241
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.520
So you're you're saying that I'm an empiricist, and that's
1242
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:44.760
all I care about is there's different kinds of beliefs, Jason.
1243
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.119
You know, there's intrinsic and there's extringent beliefs.
1244
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:51.640
Right, there's mathematics, there's analytics, all on married all unmarried.
1245
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:52.039
Men or bachelor's.
1246
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:53.000
What does that have to do with this?
1247
01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:54.239
What does that to do with impis?
1248
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:57.880
Because the thing is, when it comes to pistemology, are
1249
01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:59.279
you under are you operating under the.
1250
01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:00.640
Justified true belief model?
1251
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:00.920
Yes?
1252
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:04.479
Okay, then that's just garbage. I'll tell you why you
1253
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.560
can You can never obtain that. It's unobtainable. We're not
1254
01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.079
emniscient beings. And I even wrote a paper on it.
1255
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:13.439
Can't do it to GETT your problem? What the getti
1256
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:13.920
your problem is?
1257
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:17.560
Yeah, that at time T you also have to have
1258
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:21.119
an extra qualification. The thing why you keep interrupting me
1259
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:23.560
when you're just yapping at me, because you're saying that
1260
01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:26.800
you know that there's no justified true belief. So if
1261
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.479
there's no justice we cannot obtain, how do you know
1262
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:31.520
that we can't obtain that being? Hold on, how do
1263
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.520
you know that we cannot? How do you know that?
1264
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.680
You just keep asserting it are how do you know
1265
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.199
that that's? Those are great assertions?
1266
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:40.399
Cool?
1267
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:42.560
What's the proof of that we can't?
1268
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:45.800
Can you show me a justified true belief that you know? Yeah?
1269
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.319
Sure to deny JTB and the Gettier problem results in
1270
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.199
the impossibility of true knowledge. So there you go. That's
1271
01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:59.760
a transcendental argument. What what So I'm giving you basic argumentation.
1272
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:00.760
You're mixing.
1273
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.319
So you look, you're using a logical claim to make
1274
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:06.319
the justified true belief to teach.
1275
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:09.039
You don't think that, okay, So when you argue against
1276
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:11.239
justified true belief, you don't think you're using logic.
1277
01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:14.479
Yeah, but logic is a system we know the boundaries
1278
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:15.640
of we're not talking about it.
1279
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:17.800
Well, you just said we don't have justified true beliefs,
1280
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:19.079
So how do we know the boundaries of it?
1281
01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:19.640
You don't know that.
1282
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:21.680
I want to know what is your what is your
1283
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:22.800
epistemology language?
1284
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:25.199
We're talking about language here. We know.
1285
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:26.479
Yeah, but you just keep shifting.
1286
01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:27.880
So what a lot of you guys do.
1287
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:29.159
You'll say, is that a true thing?
1288
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.479
Well, that's true, isn't it. That's what. No, we're talking
1289
01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:34.600
about absolute truths of reality. We don't know the absolute
1290
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:35.239
truth or reality.
1291
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.560
Okay? Is that an absolute statement? Is that an absolute statement?
1292
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:39.720
That?
1293
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:42.720
Yeah, but that's a statement that's not about absolute truth.
1294
01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:43.600
Yes, it is.
1295
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.760
It's a universal claim. You just refuted yourself because it's
1296
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:47.399
not the same.
1297
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:48.119
It's language.
1298
01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.640
You're saying it's not the same. It's a universal claim.
1299
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:52.680
You're saying, for all states of affairs, no one has
1300
01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.239
universal knowledge if we.
1301
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.199
Don't exist, is that still true?
1302
01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:56.439
No?
1303
01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:59.520
What does that have to do with you just contradicting yourself.
1304
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:01.479
You made a universal claims.
1305
01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:04.039
What does it mean to be universal at all times,
1306
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:05.880
all places and all I don't.
1307
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:09.039
And you said that that's not possible. That's a universal claim.
1308
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.119
No, listen, we're talking about you're talking. We're talking about language.
1309
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:17.039
No, you made an existential claim. It's not just language.
1310
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:20.560
You made an existential claim about everybody having no universal
1311
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.800
knowledge or absolute certitude in any state of affairs. That's
1312
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.000
a metaphysical and an epistemic claim that you just make.
1313
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.600
And as human beings, because we're finite creatures, you will
1314
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:31.800
argue God has that. That's why you're operating them to
1315
01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.119
justify true belief and only to have that with you.
1316
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.600
But you're operating on that system too. You just deny it.
1317
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:37.640
And that's what I just showed you.
1318
01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:39.960
I'm not what are you saying.
1319
01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:43.840
You're using the same principles and justification and then turning
1320
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.960
around and saying, but I don't have to justify it.
1321
01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:48.800
Even though it's a universal claim. You said, no one
1322
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.640
can have that level of knowledge and certitude. No one
1323
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.720
is a universal quantifier. That's a contradiction, and I.
1324
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:59.479
Could state that in language, So your.
1325
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.199
Language does apply to reality, then it's a purposeful statement.
1326
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:02.920
That's ridiculous.
1327
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.600
No, because the human language isn't eternal and it doesn't
1328
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:06.399
exist without us.
1329
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:08.479
Are we speaking about the same object?
1330
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:10.760
Do you not understand that this is a basic critique
1331
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:14.239
of your skeptical position. No, you don't understand that.
1332
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:17.800
You're using language that we know, we define, and you're
1333
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:21.079
saying that's universal and that's absolute truth, and even if
1334
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:22.119
we don't exist.
1335
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.439
So translated into logic, you can you know, you understand
1336
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:27.279
you can translate those statements into logical statements. Right, Yes,
1337
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.520
so no one has this knowledge that's a universal quantifier
1338
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:34.720
in logic. That means that it doesn't exist anywhere. You
1339
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.399
just buy your own criteria said, no one.
1340
01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:39.960
Can have I said humans. I said humans.
1341
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:44.880
Okay, in your worldview, there's not in your worldview. That's
1342
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.880
all there is in your worldview.
1343
01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:47.119
That's all there is.
1344
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:49.560
Belief cannot be obtained by us.
1345
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:54.239
That's a universal claim about humans. It doesn't matter whether
1346
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.039
it's about humans, it's about humans in all states of
1347
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.960
affairs universally, it's still a universal claim. No one is
1348
01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:02.359
a universal quo to fire. This is basic college philosophy.
1349
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:02.880
Beings.
1350
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:05.800
It doesn't matter that you keep saying human beings. It's
1351
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:06.680
a universal claim.
1352
01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:08.760
I'm not saying a god.
1353
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:09.119
Can't do it.
1354
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:11.960
So you're you're you're straw manding me. I said human.
1355
01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:12.960
I said we can't.
1356
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.920
If God exists, then that would be in my position,
1357
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:20.439
that would be a justification for JTB. You're using these categories.
1358
01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:22.319
This is what I'm saying, So listen to me. This
1359
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:23.039
is my point.
1360
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:27.199
I said, we as agents, you and I human beings,
1361
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:29.079
we cannot obtain justify true belief.
1362
01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.720
Yeah, that's why I'm making a transcendental argument. That's what
1363
01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:34.640
I've been arguing the whole time. To you, it doesn't listen.
1364
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:35.880
You're not understanding.
1365
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:37.920
No, it's you that doesn't understand. You don't even know
1366
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.880
what a transcendental argument is. You said it's crazy to.
1367
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:41.119
Absolutely do what it is.
1368
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:44.279
Okay, what is it you're saying when.
1369
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.439
You're making these claims that transcend all of.
1370
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:47.399
The things we're talking about.
1371
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:49.720
That's not what a transcendental argument is you don't know
1372
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:51.239
what it is. Just admit you don't know what it is,
1373
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:54.199
then what is it? What is a transcendent argument?
1374
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.800
We just we just had one. You literally just made one.
1375
01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:59.640
Okay, can you tell me what it is? Where does
1376
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:01.800
it come from? Historically? Give an example of it in
1377
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:06.439
the form, oh, here we go. So you don't actually know, No,
1378
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:08.239
but you said you did know.
1379
01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:09.880
Yeah, I do.
1380
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:14.159
But now you're saying, you don't think you're straw my argument. No,
1381
01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:17.560
your argument isn't an argument. It's a fundamental contradiction. The
1382
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:19.760
fact that you just you said that we don't have
1383
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:25.359
access to it, including God, nothing, nothing. That's a universal quantifier.
1384
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:29.439
You're saying universally. You just said nothing and no one didn't,
1385
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:34.920
did you not? I said nothing, no one, Nothing and
1386
01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:37.119
no one is a universal quantifier.
1387
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.680
Jason, we're talking about humans. Why do you keep going
1388
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:41.000
to God?
1389
01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:43.439
It doesn't matter that you add on this phrase. We're
1390
01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.119
talking about humans because it would be universally the case
1391
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:47.239
for humans everywhere.
1392
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.000
Jason, Yeah, and we're limited.
1393
01:29:50.239 --> 01:29:52.319
Yeah, okay, Then now you've admitted that it is a
1394
01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:55.680
universal claim. Do you understand what a universal claim is?
1395
01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:59.640
What do you understand what a universal claim is?
1396
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.119
Yes, what all times, all possible worlds? Do we exist
1397
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:05.000
in all those places possible worlds in times?
1398
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:10.079
That's not what. That's not what. That's not what possible
1399
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.159
world even means. It has nothing to do with whether
1400
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.760
we exist in all those possible worlds.
1401
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:15.640
Retard what does universal mean? Go ahead?
1402
01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:18.439
It just simply means at all times, in all places.
1403
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.960
It doesn't even have to be beings.
1404
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:22.279
Exist in all times in all places.
1405
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:23.159
Oh my gosh.
1406
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:26.520
The question is not about human beings existing. We're talking
1407
01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:29.119
about the truth of the Do you not understand what
1408
01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.520
a truth of a claim is versus the human beings
1409
01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:32.199
making the claim?
1410
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:33.960
That's just what you guys always do.
1411
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:38.880
No, you're making a fundamental mistake in category era, it's
1412
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.439
a category. Do you know what a category R is?
1413
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:43.359
Do you even know what a category are is?
1414
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:44.359
Yes?
1415
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.159
What it's when you conflate through different things like jim
1416
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.000
Bob was doing earlier making proc.
1417
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.439
So now you're going off into jim Bab. What does
1418
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:53.920
Jimbob have to do this? You're saying that it's not
1419
01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.680
universal because it talks about human beings, and human beings
1420
01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:00.039
aren't universal. That's so low tier. Dude, that's ridiculous. The
1421
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:03.000
claim is the universal, not the human being making the claim.
1422
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:03.640
This is silly.
1423
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:07.560
I am You're literally strong. You're literally strong.
1424
01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.319
Now, this is basic epistemology in logic one O one
1425
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:13.159
to make a universal claim is when you have a
1426
01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:16.319
universal quantifier, it doesn't mean the person is universal.
1427
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.039
Yes, that's what I'm saying, And I'm saying no human
1428
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:19.640
beings could have.
1429
01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:21.479
Justified true belief. We cannot.
1430
01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:24.159
Yeah, there's a problem with saying that it's a non
1431
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:28.079
sequitor because to have any kind of true belief requires JTB.
1432
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.680
Namely to be able to say no one can have
1433
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.279
this position. That's what you don't understand. Why do you
1434
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:36.079
keep saying my name?
1435
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:36.960
What does that have to do with this?
1436
01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:39.600
But the Gettier problem proved that we cannot.
1437
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.760
No, it doesn't. All it does. All that says is
1438
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:46.039
that Noah doesn't. That has nothing to do with the paradigm.
1439
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:49.479
Noah doesn't. Now, So here you go off into this
1440
01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:53.359
is not so erudite destiny level stuff. You should not
1441
01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:55.640
have called in. Man, this is making you look ridiculous.
1442
01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:58.079
I should read your pie paper.
1443
01:31:58.399 --> 01:31:59.359
Okay, did you read it?
1444
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:02.079
Why would I read you? Why would I have read
1445
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:02.880
your pie paper?
1446
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:04.720
Have you or not?
1447
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:05.760
I'm just I'm just asking.
1448
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:09.399
No, I'm asking to have you read my.
1449
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:12.199
Paper on the epistemic model that I came that actually
1450
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:13.199
sends is great.
1451
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:13.800
A grip of trilogy.
1452
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:15.960
How don't follow you? How would I read your paper?
1453
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:16.399
Okay?
1454
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.359
Well, if you read that, you'll understand that obtaining knowledge
1455
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:21.039
is not propositional.
1456
01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:21.159
It's structural.
1457
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:23.800
Oh wow, you want me to go through the premises
1458
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:25.800
for you. No, I'm not even going to entertain it
1459
01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.840
because you've already demonstrated a fundamental lack of knowledge of
1460
01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:29.560
these subjects.
1461
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:32.760
I don't know every terminology that your claiming.
1462
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:34.560
No, you don't know the basic terminology. Why would I
1463
01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:36.399
listen to your paper? You don't know the basic terminology?
1464
01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:37.279
You said?
1465
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:40.720
You literally said, are universals every place, every time?
1466
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:42.920
In every place? And I said, human beings do not
1467
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:44.159
exist in every time and everything.
1468
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:49.840
That's a category error. You're fundamentally not competent in epistemology.
1469
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:52.239
I said, we.
1470
01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.079
Would have to have omniscient staff justify true belief. That's
1471
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:59.199
why you appeal to God. Yeah, but human beings cannot
1472
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:00.560
have justified And.
1473
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:03.479
My argument, Okay, do you understand. Could you state what
1474
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:05.279
my argument is? I know you don't believe it. Could
1475
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:06.680
you restate what I'm arguing.
1476
01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.479
Your argument about TAG and how God is? Which argument?
1477
01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:11.520
Can you talk about it? Yeah?
1478
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:14.399
Specifically, what I'm saying is your violation and how it
1479
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:15.079
relates to TAG.
1480
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:20.399
You're arguing in that essentially, in order to ground these
1481
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.800
transcendentals like logic and everything else mathematics, you need an
1482
01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:26.800
entity a mind to ground them, to keep the consistent.
1483
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:29.000
Okay, but what was specifically was my critique of your
1484
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:29.960
of your claims.
1485
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:31.880
You're saying that I am.
1486
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.239
Making a universal claim that no one, including God can.
1487
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:36.199
Have justified true belief.
1488
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:37.000
That's not what I said.
1489
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:40.399
No, no, No, I'm saying that the phrase itself the proposition.
1490
01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:44.159
When you say no one can have that, that requires
1491
01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:47.039
still access to a universal state of affairs to have
1492
01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:48.239
the universal quantifier.
1493
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.920
I'm saying, we as human beings cannot have justified That's
1494
01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:53.439
what you know.
1495
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.319
But you stating that doesn't answer the objection because the
1496
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:01.479
objection is at a level of positional critique, and you're
1497
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:04.600
just saying another thing that's not addressing the criteria. So
1498
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:07.640
this is ultimately a criteria question. And you just appeal
1499
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:11.439
to another thing that isn't addressing the criteria question. So yeah,
1500
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:15.039
I understand, and we agree that individual human beings, because
1501
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.840
they're finite and they go on the basis of empirical data,
1502
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:22.239
they don't have access immediately to universal categories. That's why
1503
01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:24.319
David listen, Jason.
1504
01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:25.960
I'm not an academics.
1505
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:27.479
Whatit a minute, but I thought I needed to read
1506
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.760
your pie paper on how structuralism is they answer to all.
1507
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:34.159
This because I have this intuition where I could find.
1508
01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:35.840
So now we should go Why should we go to
1509
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:36.439
your intuition?
1510
01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:40.600
That's a ridiculous because I understand when there's a contradiction.
1511
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:43.840
Well then how come you don't understand the contradiction I'm
1512
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:46.880
pointing out? If you understand contradictions, what is the contradiction?
1513
01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.000
What is the contradiction specifically that I'm pointing out.
1514
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:51.279
You're saying because I just said no one, it's a
1515
01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:52.199
universal claim.
1516
01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.399
You're saying that because I said no one, which I didn't.
1517
01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:56.680
I just thought about us people.
1518
01:34:56.760 --> 01:35:00.560
I constrained it that it's impossible for anyone God to
1519
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:01.600
justify true belief?
1520
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:02.680
Is that not what's you're arguing?
1521
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.920
No, I'm sure that you could say theoretically that God
1522
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:09.399
might have that, but that doesn't matter in regards to
1523
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:13.359
the proposition itself. You're saying propositions themselves have truth values
1524
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.199
and that you can extrapolate logical forms.
1525
01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:19.319
The problem with and I say this in my epistemic model,
1526
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:21.920
is that when you have a proposition, it has to
1527
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:22.640
be justified.
1528
01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:23.520
And how you justify?
1529
01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:27.479
Are you foundationalist? Are you an infinitist? What are you epistemically?
1530
01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:32.800
Jay, I'm a revelation theorist. So I believe in divine revelation,
1531
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:35.600
which is none of those which is not stop interrupting me,
1532
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:39.800
which is none of those secular models. So so what
1533
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:40.560
is your model?
1534
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.960
I have my own model, and basically what I discovered
1535
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:46.520
is this how I discrite that.
1536
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.560
Okay, so this is all justify any of their belie.
1537
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:52.680
This is ridiculous we're doing so it's just his own
1538
01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:54.840
made up thing. He doesn't even know the basic terminology.
1539
01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:58.680
So basically, again the fact that you say universal claims
1540
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:00.760
and then saying, but it's not universe because it's only
1541
01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:04.000
amongst human beings, it's totally irrelevant to whether it's a
1542
01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:07.199
universal proposition or claim. So this is just too stupid.
1543
01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:09.880
So is there you go. There's your atheist defending He
1544
01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:14.000
would rather defend the ship Libs than actually have conversations
1545
01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:18.479
that deal with anything beyond what is always ended up being, Oh,
1546
01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:20.880
it's my paper, it's the thing that I came up with,
1547
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:25.960
it's the thing he invented. So there you go. There's
1548
01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:35.119
your based trad buddy of the ship Libs. There Chase,
1549
01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:35.520
what's up?
1550
01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:42.159
Hey man, I just wanted to talk to you. I
1551
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:45.119
know that was rough and that the defeat was bad.
1552
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:46.680
So if you got anything you want to get off
1553
01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:47.399
your cast, I'm.
1554
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:47.640
Here for you.
1555
01:36:47.840 --> 01:36:48.800
I want to talk about it.
1556
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.000
Well, he wrote a paper, so you didn't read his paper.
1557
01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:53.159
He wrote a paper.
1558
01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:53.760
You're finished.
1559
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:57.560
That's basically game over. No, I just wanted to jump in.
1560
01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.640
It's it's really funny when people do that, like with
1561
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:03.079
with saghetti your.
1562
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.199
Problem, which assumes that.
1563
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:10.239
We have knowledge first off, the Getty Gettier problems, not trying.
1564
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:11.960
To say knowledge is impossible.
1565
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:15.359
It's showing hey, sometimes you're gonna need a fourth condition, right,
1566
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:18.039
like non accidental or something like that.
1567
01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.039
And then I find it so funny.
1568
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:25.640
Someone goes, I don't I don't you know I totally
1569
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.439
disregard justify true belief. That's not enough, and you go, okay,
1570
01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:33.720
can you demonstrate that? And if he offers a demonstration,
1571
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:36.479
he's trying to justify his beliefs and believe he should
1572
01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:37.720
have good reasons to believe.
1573
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:39.399
Well, this is what happens when, yeah, this is what
1574
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:43.199
happens when people get a smattering of introductory level philosophy
1575
01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:46.199
and then then they think that they're competent to speak
1576
01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:49.920
to the most difficult, challenging matters in the history of philosophy.
1577
01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:51.960
And by the way, why haven't you read his paper?
1578
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:55.960
This is the extreme arrogance. And you know, all these
1579
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:58.840
atheist guys is funny because they were saying that I'm
1580
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:01.920
Dunning Krueger. That was Dunning Kruger right there for you
1581
01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:07.600
guys on display the assumption that a smattering of introductory
1582
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:11.520
level philosophy knowledge gives you the capabilities to then form
1583
01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:15.000
your own model to solve some of the most challenging
1584
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:18.279
dilemmas in the history Western philosophy. And by the way,
1585
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:23.479
just read my paper. So it's hard at certain points.
1586
01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.760
If you go, okay, sure, demonstrate now you know that
1587
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:30.359
justified true belief You just totally disregard it. You don't
1588
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:32.960
even need a fourth condition. You reject the whole, the
1589
01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:37.560
whole project. The only move that could make, which is
1590
01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.479
really funny, is well, no, I don't believe I need
1591
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:41.720
to justify anything.
1592
01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:45.279
I just I just know things. So just trust it
1593
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:46.399
literally comes down.
1594
01:38:48.600 --> 01:38:50.920
Just trust me, trust my into I have a good
1595
01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:52.960
intuition for this. Just trust me. Trust me.
1596
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:54.239
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1597
01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:56.199
But it's it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be fun
1598
01:38:56.239 --> 01:38:58.479
to see uh see you in Gnostic informant.
1599
01:38:58.640 --> 01:38:58.760
Uh.
1600
01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:03.600
The I popped into a panel that was on some
1601
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:10.000
channel like midway through last year, and it literally came
1602
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:13.159
down to him saying, well, we know, we just know
1603
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:14.199
what reality is.
1604
01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:16.359
That's it.
1605
01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.680
We just know what reality is. And then he tried
1606
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.880
arguing with Jimbob that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
1607
01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:25.680
And I started going through asking you, okay, what's the
1608
01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:28.239
criteria for these things? And I used an analogy of
1609
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:32.079
saying the same name right, like Neil from Nastic Informant.
1610
01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:35.680
But this person I'm referring to is a fat Filipino
1611
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:40.880
woman who makes documentaries of how Christianity is true.
1612
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.399
And he goes, well, no, it's that's not me.
1613
01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:46.479
Because you know, you're ascribing different beliefs that I don't have.
1614
01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:50.000
And then I said, so you know, now we don't worship.
1615
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:50.159
The same god.
1616
01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:52.279
He goes, no, it's not the same because they also
1617
01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:53.479
say the God of Abraham.
1618
01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:56.039
So he just reverts right back to the same thing.
1619
01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:58.439
So I think it's gonna be really funny, man, But
1620
01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:00.600
I'm gonna I'll pop out and listen.
1621
01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:03.680
But good luck with this, fan, This is this is funny.
1622
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:07.279
Yeah, we get some more Professor Dave fans. But why
1623
01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:09.680
would we be surprised that we had that level of
1624
01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:12.399
argumentation when this is Dave's level of argumentage?
1625
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.600
And so why would I Why would I listen to
1626
01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:17.840
sounds coming from a purposeless brain?
1627
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:19.840
Because I'm right.
1628
01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:27.840
There we go because my intuition. Bro oh wait, if
1629
01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:29.319
you guys would hit like and share. Also, you can
1630
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:32.000
support stream through the super chats. Now it's interesting too
1631
01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:36.159
that I don't know Lucas, but it sounds like he's
1632
01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:40.039
been listening to philosophy podcast and talks and because he
1633
01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.600
picked up on some of the jargon. But and people
1634
01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:46.800
think that you're being a douchebag or you're being you know,
1635
01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:49.520
engaging in sophistry when you try to ask people these
1636
01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.479
questions about because I can spot immediately when a person
1637
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:57.079
doesn't know the material, when they haven't actually done the reading,
1638
01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:59.520
when they've got a smattering little bit of it. It's
1639
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.159
just like if you were a guitar player, you're really
1640
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.039
good to guitar. You can spot when somebody has just
1641
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:08.640
simply mimicked a solo, or they just know basic chords,
1642
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:11.039
but they're not actually proficient in the material, and they
1643
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:13.359
haven't done the put the time in and done the research.
1644
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:18.199
And nobody who's advanced in philosophy cites their own first paper.
1645
01:41:18.279 --> 01:41:22.279
I mean, that's just so just arrogant, ridiculous. It's it's
1646
01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:28.239
a sued attitude and behavior of extreme overconfidence. And that's
1647
01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:30.479
why when you start to ask them questions and you
1648
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.920
hear what they're saying, I can pick up on a
1649
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:37.039
person who doesn't know basic philosophy or has only hurt
1650
01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:38.920
a little bit. So that's a person with a kind
1651
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:45.439
of freshman sophomore level of philosophical information. And you know,
1652
01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:47.880
that's great that he's getting into it. But what everybody
1653
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:50.239
has as a kind of a temptation when you get
1654
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.279
into philosophy is everybody who's a first or second your
1655
01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.119
philosophy student thinks that they've solved everything. They think that
1656
01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.199
they've they've they're going to have the answer to, you know,
1657
01:41:58.439 --> 01:42:01.000
the criteria problem, They're gonna have the answer to, you know,
1658
01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:03.800
the consciousness problem, and there and then as you get
1659
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:05.880
more and more advanced to get into grad school, you
1660
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.560
realize that, oh, actually that was a really arrogant attitude. Right,
1661
01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:13.520
I need to have more humility about these topics because
1662
01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:16.920
there's a lot of people who spent twenty five years
1663
01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:21.279
in this domain and they know this stuff better than me.
1664
01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:24.319
So to act like as a nube, you know that
1665
01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:26.199
you're gonna have It's the same. It's like when people
1666
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:28.640
go into the MMA stuff and they're like they bust
1667
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.000
up in the gym and they think, I'm going to
1668
01:42:31.079 --> 01:42:33.079
fight the dude that's been you know, fighting in the
1669
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:36.239
octagon for twenty years because I watched some videos on
1670
01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.399
YouTube and I'll think I can take that dude, and
1671
01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:41.239
then in every case those people end up being just manhandled.
1672
01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:41.399
Right.
1673
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:43.039
We saw that with Derek myth vision a year ago,
1674
01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:46.119
and that's why he's still angry. And I think in
1675
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:48.560
the mma domain too, Like people will say, look, you
1676
01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:51.479
got to learn some humility, right. The only way you're
1677
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.199
going to advance in these topics is to be willing
1678
01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:58.039
to be wrong, because I guarantee you there is nobody
1679
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:01.840
who study philosophy and went from the introductory level to
1680
01:43:02.199 --> 01:43:05.359
you know, advanced who didn't get humbled at sometime. This
1681
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:08.920
is a this is a necessary stage in the process
1682
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:13.359
so that you can advance, to learn and to realize
1683
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.840
that you don't know what you think you know. So
1684
01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:18.960
when I hear him say this and that, oh you
1685
01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:22.079
make this tag argument, and I say, well, I don't.
1686
01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:24.479
I don't believe that you actually understand what a transcendental
1687
01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:27.359
argument is in terms of the form, and they can't
1688
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:29.039
explain it. They don't know what it is. Now I
1689
01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.640
give him props for at least understanding what JTB was
1690
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.319
and the gettier problem. So that was a that was
1691
01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:35.760
a that was a good thing. That means he's studying, okay,
1692
01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:39.840
But that you're studying doesn't mean that, for example, you
1693
01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:43.680
don't make fundamental mistakes, okay. So for example, to say
1694
01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:49.640
that because a universal claim is made by an individual
1695
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:52.880
human being, and because individual human beings aren't universal. It's
1696
01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:55.600
not universal misses the point of what a universal claim
1697
01:43:55.720 --> 01:44:00.520
is right, So there's claims themselves, the truth value the claims,
1698
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:03.239
and then there's a separate category of which I was
1699
01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:07.199
inquiring into, which is what is the ontological status of
1700
01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:10.640
those truth claims? Where are they? How can we have
1701
01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:13.359
a universal claim? What is universal claim? So he kind
1702
01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:15.680
of got a little bit of the basics of what
1703
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:18.520
Tag is arguing. But then when I try to say
1704
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:23.000
that his approach at denying JTB ultimately ends up putting
1705
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.439
him in a way worse position. His answer was, well,
1706
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.359
I'm just relegating it and limiting it to the human domain.
1707
01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:33.399
It doesn't matter because even relegated to the human domain,
1708
01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:38.000
it disqualifies the initial statement that, in other words, you
1709
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:41.680
couldn't know that no one in the human domain has
1710
01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:45.159
that lack of knowledge. So it's just moving the problem
1711
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.359
back a step. So what he ought to look at,
1712
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.119
if he actually wants to understand this, is to go
1713
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:54.640
deeper into sellers and into the criteria problem of Chisholm, right,
1714
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:57.920
because Chisholm brings this issue up in multiple different ways,
1715
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:01.479
and it's a problem that you can go in the
1716
01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:03.640
direction of metaphysics, or you can go in the direction
1717
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:05.319
of a pistemology. If you go in the direction of
1718
01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:09.000
a pistemology, you're in a really bad position to deny JTB.
1719
01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.880
And then the problem is that you can erect other
1720
01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:15.880
types of systems and criteria because a lot of philosopher
1721
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.399
try to do this. The problem though, is that usually
1722
01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:23.239
it's moving the problem back a step and not actually
1723
01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:27.640
addressing what the criteria problem is asking for. So, for example,
1724
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:33.520
oh well, I'm gonna throw out JTB because I'm going
1725
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:35.680
to instead say that we don't even have to have that.
1726
01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:39.760
No one can have that. But wait a minute. Every
1727
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:44.119
time you're asserting something, you're bagging the question about. Okay,
1728
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.399
but what is the criteria to say? Then if it's
1729
01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:49.399
not JTB, then what is the rival criteria? Oh well,
1730
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:54.399
it's we know structuralism that I've come up with, okay,
1731
01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:56.760
But you saying that it's the structuralism that you come
1732
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:00.560
up with is an assertion that is not actually dealing
1733
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:03.399
with their criteria problem. Father, Deacon, doctor and Nias. What
1734
01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:11.479
would you say, I'm but we have a logic professor
1735
01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:14.119
on him. By the way, what's that Goohead from the
1736
01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:17.760
University of Science, from the University of Science and Incorporated.
1737
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:22.680
By the way, he was equivocating on the word universal exactly.
1738
01:46:22.760 --> 01:46:24.199
That's why I'm trying to say, that's why he's making
1739
01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:25.119
a category error.
1740
01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:29.000
A universal could mean, I mean, it's typically not used
1741
01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:30.920
this way when we're speaking in logic.
1742
01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:34.399
Obviously in crossing he was taking it to be.
1743
01:46:37.279 --> 01:46:40.880
President everywhere. Well, you could do a you could do
1744
01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:43.000
a bullion argument right where it's not it's not even
1745
01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:44.319
that something like that.
1746
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:45.800
And that's not what it.
1747
01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:49.560
Means in logic, right, it just means a class. It's
1748
01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:54.520
either a set or a set of all things or
1749
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:59.520
no things. So it doesn't mean like if you had
1750
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:01.399
you have to think about stupid.
1751
01:47:01.479 --> 01:47:01.800
This is.
1752
01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:04.760
If you had.
1753
01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:10.439
You made me a copy marbles, right, and then the
1754
01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:15.520
only existing marbles. You don't have to be omniscient or
1755
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:17.920
be present everywhere to actually look at.
1756
01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:19.399
The class and be like, yeah.
1757
01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:22.600
That's the class of all marbles or something like that.
1758
01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:27.920
That's what a universal is. So he was fundamentally confused
1759
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.880
on that issue. And then what was the other thing
1760
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.920
I noticed he was, well, he was.
1761
01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:42.840
Getting Yeah, he thought transcendental was transcendent time or something. No,
1762
01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:47.680
transcendent is not the same thing as a transcendental. Yeah,
1763
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:49.800
but what what would you let's let's say that, uh,
1764
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:54.279
you know, for the sake of argument, Well, what what
1765
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:56.840
what if I just throw out justified true belief and
1766
01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:58.880
I say that it's some other thing, like how do
1767
01:47:58.920 --> 01:47:59.880
you how do you deal with that?
1768
01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:01.319
Why?
1769
01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:03.600
I thought you? I thought you did well?
1770
01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:05.760
You bring up Chishom's criterion problem.
1771
01:48:07.239 --> 01:48:10.399
So why is how do we know that's the criterion
1772
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:15.680
to identify what knowledge is? Because I'd have to know
1773
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.840
what the criterion is, and I have to presuppose that
1774
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:25.279
I actually have knowledge. And so in other words, if
1775
01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:27.800
I have to have the criterion to ident let's call
1776
01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:30.600
it number one to identify what knowledge is number two,
1777
01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:37.880
I can only identify number one if I already have
1778
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:40.680
number two, and two if number one. So you're just
1779
01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:46.600
an officious circle exactly? Does that make sense? That's exactly
1780
01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:51.159
and a weird thing to kind of deflect and be
1781
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:52.439
like what language?
1782
01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:55.079
But also, I mean you could you could just you
1783
01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:59.680
could argue that like in some situations, the universal doesn't
1784
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:01.880
even have to have a metaphysical import right, And at
1785
01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:04.000
the point of the Boolean types, type of argument.
1786
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:09.640
Yeah, that's bullian. Universals have no existential import.
1787
01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:13.079
So even if we argue that they had no existential
1788
01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:17.840
import just in terms of the form itself, it's like yourself,
1789
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:24.039
Yeah exactly, that's what I'm it's like saying. It's like
1790
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:27.600
saying it is universally the case. That this very proposition
1791
01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:31.920
is not universally the case exactly. And it doesn't matter
1792
01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:34.279
whether you're trying to give it an existential import or not.
1793
01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:41.319
That the thing is that's a contradiction. And furthermore, I'm.
1794
01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:43.279
Starting to use this tactic. I just tell people I
1795
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:48.319
don't believe that you believe that. There's no way, I mean,
1796
01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:49.920
talk about dishonesty.
1797
01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:54.359
You go around all you know, all the time, avoiding
1798
01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:56.239
contradictions because you think it's bad.
1799
01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:57.680
But all of a sudden you get in a debate
1800
01:49:57.840 --> 01:49:58.640
and now you want.
1801
01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:00.359
To double down and be like, well, I I get
1802
01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:06.079
to use it. That's just language, that's just honest. And
1803
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:09.039
I'll just tell people, I'm like, I don't even believe
1804
01:50:09.079 --> 01:50:09.720
that you believe it.
1805
01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:10.840
So how about that?
1806
01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:14.000
Yeah, I mean he kept he kept deflecting and saying, well,
1807
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.920
that's just language, that's just language, which I think he
1808
01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:20.640
was trying to say that the words don't actually have
1809
01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:25.239
any existential or metaphysical import. Okay, but that's a double
1810
01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:27.880
edged sword because if they don't, then your argument against
1811
01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:34.560
these words also don't. So how do you know that exactly?
1812
01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.439
That's what I kept That's what I kept asking you.
1813
01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:39.720
I think you already pointed out you're making.
1814
01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:44.479
Some huge claims right of all this stuff that you know,
1815
01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:48.279
and and I think you mentioned to coumping into some
1816
01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:51.720
of the most difficult philosophy, and you're just going to.
1817
01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:55.119
Claim, well, I know, I'm right. Well, that's what Dave
1818
01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:57.680
does too. So it's like that seems to be a
1819
01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:01.479
pattern here, right or they think that we're they say, oh,
1820
01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:04.520
you guys are so arrogant. Guys are know it alls
1821
01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:07.520
well again, And I think you could speak to this
1822
01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.920
as a professor, and you know, being at one point
1823
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:13.840
a freshman, right and progressing then to say, in your
1824
01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:16.760
case the PhD, don't you think it's kind of normal
1825
01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.840
for everybody who studies philosophy to get humbled in many
1826
01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:22.239
situations like you're not going to be a freshman and
1827
01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:24.840
have figured it all out by the time you're a PhD.
1828
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:27.840
You're gonna you will have been wrong many times, get
1829
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:28.600
you get humbled.
1830
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:34.039
And I remember, so I was introduced to philosophy Christian
1831
01:51:34.039 --> 01:51:38.800
apologetics like seventeen eighteen, my senior year in high school.
1832
01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:46.760
And you know, you just learned like really easy, like
1833
01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:47.720
kind of refutation.
1834
01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:52.159
You're basically mimicking, right, So you haven't read and really
1835
01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.399
dived deep into these things. But as we all know,
1836
01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:59.039
ninety eight percent of people are idiots. Like it doesn't
1837
01:51:59.119 --> 01:51:59.640
take much.
1838
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:05.640
So we would just go around and you know, give
1839
01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:11.439
these Let me give you a classic one and it's true,
1840
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.039
like we still use this today, but I'm showing you that,
1841
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:16.960
Like this is one of the first things that I learned,
1842
01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:20.560
and it gave me a little bit of humorous somebody's like,
1843
01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:20.880
you know.
1844
01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:22.720
There is no truth?
1845
01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:24.920
Oh yeah, is that true? Like that was one of
1846
01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:25.840
the first things.
1847
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:30.840
That I actually learned, where you just that's a really
1848
01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:34.960
easy tactic and it's it's a good argument to refute somebody.
1849
01:52:36.840 --> 01:52:39.680
But it doesn't mean that you're knowledgeable in philosophy. Does
1850
01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:40.359
that make sense?
1851
01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:40.720
And so.
1852
01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:45.760
You know, going through and thinking through these issues and
1853
01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:46.600
reading the history of.
1854
01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:52.279
Philosophy, and you know, i'd even say like even you know,
1855
01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:55.319
coming out with a bachelor, I was still prideful.
1856
01:52:55.399 --> 01:52:58.119
I still thought that I was just talking with all
1857
01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:01.359
that we'd just conference. Here was some of the best philosphers.
1858
01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:06.680
We all thought that we thought when we went to
1859
01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:10.319
get a degree in philosophy. We finished our bachelors and
1860
01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:12.479
I went into grad school, then we we're so smart,
1861
01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:13.439
We're going to change.
1862
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:16.319
The world, you know, like we're really going to make
1863
01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:19.560
a difference. And then you realize.
1864
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:22.960
How difficult this stuff is and you're just happy to
1865
01:53:23.039 --> 01:53:24.560
get past and get a PhD.
1866
01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:26.000
Yeah.
1867
01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.560
Yeah, I remember shows like any of Us Can Spaw
1868
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:32.920
a Suit.
1869
01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:35.880
When I was in my twenties and I was really
1870
01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:42.319
into Tomism. I remember being at my university and I remember, well,
1871
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:47.319
one of my my undergrad advisors, doctor Martell. You know,
1872
01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:49.479
he had to put up with me constantly trying to
1873
01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:53.600
defend and argue Tomism and all the Tomestic principles. And
1874
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:55.199
then one day he I think he got kind of
1875
01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:57.840
annoyed with it, and he found a really good critique
1876
01:53:57.840 --> 01:54:02.520
of Tonism. And I was probably twenty five twenty seven,
1877
01:54:03.399 --> 01:54:06.680
just absolutely insufferable, know it all, I'm sure, and I
1878
01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:10.319
had never really read a good challenge or critique to Tonism,
1879
01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:14.119
and he gave me that paper and I remember reading
1880
01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:15.800
it and I remember, you know, at first I was
1881
01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:18.600
very Ah, he's just a you know, unbelieving professor, and
1882
01:54:19.279 --> 01:54:21.560
I why do I have to listen to him? And
1883
01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:24.159
you know, he doesn't have any you know, he's not running,
1884
01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:26.800
he's not track cat, he doesn't know anything. And then
1885
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.720
as I grew older and as I matured, and the
1886
01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.960
more I began to kind of question things within Tomism,
1887
01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:36.079
like I realized, no, actually I was the one that
1888
01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:38.800
was wrong. I thought I knew it all. And doctor Martel,
1889
01:54:39.039 --> 01:54:41.760
even though he may have been an atheist agnostic, like
1890
01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:45.399
he didn't know enough about criticizing tumism and knew the
1891
01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:49.680
critiques of Tomism well enough to challenge me. But I
1892
01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:52.960
was too immature at the time, in my twenties to
1893
01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.720
be willing to say, you know, actually I'm wrong. I
1894
01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:58.239
don't actually know what I'm talking about. There are I.
1895
01:54:58.279 --> 01:54:59.039
Want to tell everybody.
1896
01:54:59.039 --> 01:55:01.359
I'm going to make a public feshion. I told Father
1897
01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:03.520
Peter this today and he's like, did you ever tell
1898
01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:05.840
Jay this story? And I'm like, I've told Jaya story,
1899
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:08.520
but you guys got to hear this, Okay, it's a
1900
01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:11.359
confession about how I was wrong and Jay was right.
1901
01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:17.720
So when I first found out about you, it was
1902
01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:20.399
through my wife. She's like, oh, this guy on YouTube
1903
01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:26.279
and I didn't like you. I thought you were arrogant
1904
01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:30.880
and that and the reason why I didn't like you
1905
01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:34.479
is because you were arguing against theistic evolution.
1906
01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:35.920
I was.
1907
01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:39.119
I believed in theistic evolution. So you know what I
1908
01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:39.800
told my wife.
1909
01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:43.399
I'm like, Jada, I doesn't know what he was talking about,
1910
01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:49.319
and I'll debate him and I'll refute him. You've heard
1911
01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:50.439
it here on the X.
1912
01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:53.359
So that's what I thought. And guess who was wrong?
1913
01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:55.760
I guess who was right?
1914
01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:59.239
Well, I don't remember debating you, so you must have wanted.
1915
01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:00.359
To aid you.
1916
01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:02.880
In my head, Jay, I want no.
1917
01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:05.920
But I told my wife I like that.
1918
01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:08.359
I was like, oh, I'd crushed j and a debate.
1919
01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:09.079
Are you kidding me?
1920
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.039
How arrogant? And here already had my PC.
1921
01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:17.079
So like I still we're all still working on on humility.
1922
01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:18.600
Like you know, I get it.
1923
01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:19.279
I was young and.
1924
01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:24.760
Orthodoxy and stuff like that. I still have these hang ups.
1925
01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.079
But you were right.
1926
01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:32.039
You were right about theistic evolution being garbage, and.
1927
01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:35.239
So we we all just gotta be careful about that,
1928
01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:38.640
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, well, I think
1929
01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:43.800
the same thing with totally just uh totally removed from
1930
01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:47.159
the sphere of like academia and this kind of stuff
1931
01:56:47.319 --> 01:56:52.560
is is other domains too, like geopolitics and uh that
1932
01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:54.880
kind of stuff. Like you know, we have a lot
1933
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:59.960
of people in the in the sphere of the flint
1934
01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:05.039
this overlap, right, and so I reached out to try
1935
01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:07.439
to say to some of those people, Hey, look, you know,
1936
01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:09.520
I've been studying this stuff for a long time and
1937
01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:12.399
I'm not an enemy of Nick. I want Nick to
1938
01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:14.960
do well and come to you know, orthodoxy ultimately that
1939
01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:19.159
would be the goal. But like, we can all learn
1940
01:57:19.239 --> 01:57:22.920
from each other if we listen to each other and
1941
01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:25.560
not get caught up in the noise or the twenty
1942
01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:27.800
thirty second clips all that kind of stuff. Because I
1943
01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:30.960
think in the case of the Vatican, you know, I
1944
01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:35.439
wasn't arguing that the entire Vatican is subverted by Epstein
1945
01:57:35.479 --> 01:57:37.319
everything like that. It was very specific that I think
1946
01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:41.600
that the close relationship between Epstein and John Paul was verifiable,
1947
01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:46.479
and the close relationship between John Paul and people like
1948
01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:51.159
savile are all very well documented, and then people say, oh, look,
1949
01:57:51.239 --> 01:57:53.680
Jay thinks that the entire Vatican is Epstein. I didn't
1950
01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:55.319
say that. So it's like a lot of things get
1951
01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.720
mistranslated in the noise. And that's why it would be
1952
01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:04.279
good if if people would just listen to kind of
1953
01:58:04.319 --> 01:58:07.680
what other people are saying and not assume bad will
1954
01:58:07.800 --> 01:58:10.680
from everyone else. Right, all right, so let's get over
1955
01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:11.880
here to Jeff Sin mccuffrey.
1956
01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:12.840
I know we've been waiting for this.
1957
01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:13.960
A lot of people are saying, when are you gonna
1958
01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:19.920
do this. I wasn't expecting the the attention that the
1959
01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:24.119
Professor Dave Crowd was going to give. So I'm glad
1960
01:58:24.159 --> 01:58:27.119
that Lucas stepped in. Hopefully he's not mad. We get
1961
01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:29.560
pretty heated, so I tried to I tried to step
1962
01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:29.760
away