00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:24.240
Hello!
00:00:24.240 --> 00:00:26.120
And welcome to Inside Recording Studio.
00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:27.920
Oh wow, that was long.
00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:31.920
Hi, I'm Jody Whitesides and with me is Mr. Chris Halstrom.
00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:35.840
And welcome to another episode of Inside the Recording Studio because I just said that
00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:37.760
and let's go Chris.
00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:40.760
Say something.
00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:43.800
You must be a little dizzy after that long intro there, right?
00:00:40.760 --> 00:00:49.600
Yes, as I was sitting there doing it, I was trying to act like the gopher from Caddyshack.
00:00:43.800 --> 00:00:45.800
A little fuzzy headed.
00:00:45.800 --> 00:00:51.800
Yeah, okay.
00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.960
And I kind of took it a little too long.
00:00:51.800 --> 00:00:54.800
Well, you know, here we are.
00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.960
I am.
00:00:54.800 --> 00:00:56.800
Now we're ready for another episode.
00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:04.240
Yeah, it's it's going to be a fun filled.
00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:57.800
So how's it going?
00:00:57.800 --> 00:00:58.800
How's your week been?
00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:00.800
You've been busy, I think.
00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:03.800
(mysterious music)
00:01:03.800 --> 00:01:22.900
Oh.
00:01:04.240 --> 00:01:07.320
Well, I don't know if it's fun filled, but it's definitely a packed filled week.
00:01:07.320 --> 00:01:08.740
And it's not.
00:01:08.740 --> 00:01:16.840
It's music related for the most part, but it's also congressional related.
00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:24.840
I'm meeting with two new congressional members of Congress this week for the recording academy,
00:01:22.900 --> 00:01:24.900
Mm-hmm
00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:32.200
which is always interesting. It's fun to do that. And yeah, so it's, it's definitely a packed week
00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:39.580
You're gonna be very official this week, which is good. Yeah good for you
00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:41.400
in terms of things of that nature. I am I am I am I'm helping other musicians and music creators
00:01:39.580 --> 00:01:49.300
That would be wonderful wouldn't it?
00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:49.480
alike by getting legislation passed to hopefully help us in the future.
00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.640
It would and it has happened in the past.
00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:56.220
Yeah, actually have some it has yeah, so yeah, we'll keep our fingers crossed for that
00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.400
Yes, sir.
00:01:56.220 --> 00:01:58.860
That's something positive would come out of this as well
00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.160
Yes, sir.
00:01:58.860 --> 00:02:03.920
Yeah, so should we just dive in I think we should just dive in
00:01:59.160 --> 00:02:01.160
Yes, sir.
00:02:01.160 --> 00:02:04.520
All right.
00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:15.560
Yeah, and some of these we have sort of tackled before in previous episodes
00:02:04.520 --> 00:02:06.020
We're going for the deep end already.
00:02:06.020 --> 00:02:20.760
It's common recording myths.
00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.540
so if you want a little bit more of a
00:02:19.220 --> 00:02:25.540
deeper thing on some of these. Just go back and listen to the episode. But one thing that we talked
00:02:20.760 --> 00:02:34.600
Yes.
00:02:25.540 --> 00:02:34.020
about relatively recently, and this is the first on our list here, and always record at higher sample
00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:41.700
rates. Something like that, right? Yeah, two, three weeks ago. Yeah, so it's fresh in our memory here.
00:02:34.600 --> 00:02:38.200
That was just like two weeks ago, wasn't it?
00:02:38.200 --> 00:02:39.760
Yeah.
00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:41.640
Yeah.
00:02:41.640 --> 00:02:45.880
Yay.
00:02:41.700 --> 00:02:49.060
So should we? You're a big proponent of 96k. Is it always better to record at higher sample rates?
00:02:45.880 --> 00:02:47.880
I am.
00:02:47.880 --> 00:02:49.880
No.
00:02:49.060 --> 00:03:14.580
No? All right. Point number two. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:02:49.880 --> 00:02:53.920
I just say that right off the bat.
00:02:53.920 --> 00:02:54.920
No.
00:02:54.920 --> 00:02:55.920
No.
00:02:55.920 --> 00:03:01.500
So we did kind of do a real kind of deeper discussion about it a couple of weeks ago
00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:05.940
on the sample rate episode that we just put out.
00:03:05.940 --> 00:03:12.360
But the funny thing about that is a discussion came up with a fellow producer literally a
00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.860
couple of days ago about this.
00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:21.580
Okay. Yeah.
00:03:15.860 --> 00:03:21.400
And he has a setup that isn't quite capable of doing 96K.
00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.240
So it gets him kind of clicks and pops burps and farts, that kind of thing, which tends
00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:23.580
Okay
00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:40.980
Yeah
00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:32.300
to happen if your machine isn't quite up to powerful enough to run multiple multiples
00:03:32.300 --> 00:03:34.780
of tracks at higher sample rates.
00:03:34.780 --> 00:03:37.140
What does it really make sense to record at that rate?
00:03:37.140 --> 00:03:41.100
No, technically it doesn't because you really don't want those clicks and pops.
00:03:40.980 --> 00:03:42.980
Yeah
00:03:41.100 --> 00:03:44.820
However, he chose to sample rate that we discussed
00:03:42.980 --> 00:03:43.980
Yeah.
00:03:43.980 --> 00:03:44.980
Yeah.
00:03:44.820 --> 00:03:48.340
that we were like, nobody records at that sample rate.
00:03:44.980 --> 00:03:56.980
And I think that's, that's a good point.
00:03:48.340 --> 00:03:50.860
So we got into that little discussion
00:03:50.860 --> 00:03:52.060
of nobody records at that.
00:03:52.060 --> 00:03:55.240
And he started to like question it.
00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:00.200
And I said, you're the only person I've ever met or know
00:03:56.980 --> 00:04:06.980
Yeah.
00:04:00.200 --> 00:04:04.680
that actually is trying to choose to record at 88.2.
00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.940
And he wanted to know kind of the theory behind that.
00:04:06.980 --> 00:04:32.980
Yeah.
00:04:08.940 --> 00:04:11.500
And I get where he's coming from for doing it.
00:04:11.500 --> 00:04:15.100
And I'd said, you know, if you feel inclined,
00:04:15.100 --> 00:04:15.940
go ahead, do it.
00:04:15.940 --> 00:04:17.640
I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't.
00:04:17.640 --> 00:04:21.740
And I look at it from the standpoint of like,
00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:25.060
for me, the way I'm choosing the sample rate
00:04:25.060 --> 00:04:27.900
has more to do with what is the end result of the product
00:04:27.900 --> 00:04:30.660
and what is the archival life of that product.
00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:33.340
Because if it's something that's like kind of
00:04:32.980 --> 00:04:37.980
[birds chirping]
00:04:33.340 --> 00:04:36.300
toss away music, so to speak, that is done as background,
00:04:37.340 --> 00:04:40.500
incidental background music in a reality TV show.
00:04:37.980 --> 00:04:42.980
[birds chirping]
00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:46.180
The archival purposes of that is practically nil.
00:04:42.980 --> 00:04:47.980
[birds chirping]
00:04:46.180 --> 00:04:48.660
It's like you do it, you throw it out, you do it.
00:04:47.980 --> 00:04:50.980
[laughs]
00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:52.980
And they wanted it 48K, which is still higher than 44.1,
00:04:50.980 --> 00:04:55.980
[birds chirping]
00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:57.980
but it's not 96, it's not 192, it's not 174.4,
00:04:55.980 --> 00:05:00.980
[birds chirping]
00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:01.940
is that what it is or something like that?
00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:05.980
[birds chirping]
00:05:01.940 --> 00:05:06.860
And it's not 88.2, it's specifically 48K.
00:05:05.980 --> 00:05:11.980
Yeah.
00:05:06.860 --> 00:05:11.860
So I don't record anything at 44.1 unless it's a request.
00:05:11.860 --> 00:05:17.020
So that's something I don't do,
00:05:11.980 --> 00:05:18.980
Mm-hmm.
00:05:17.020 --> 00:05:21.060
but it's not a bad sample rate to technically record at.
00:05:18.980 --> 00:05:23.980
[birds chirping]
00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:24.660
It's just not great also for archival purposes.
00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:28.980
Yeah.
00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:27.700
So yeah, we do a big discussion on that
00:05:27.700 --> 00:05:28.540
a couple of weeks ago.
00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:30.940
So I don't know if you want to add any more to that,
00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:46.460
Yeah, no, my point of view is that it's, you know, you have to look at your system, right?
00:05:30.940 --> 00:05:32.820
but that was just an interesting conversation
00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:35.220
that just kind of popped up and I was like, yeah,
00:05:35.220 --> 00:05:39.020
I get it if it's archival worthy to go higher.
00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:49.260
Yeah, no, that's a big deal.
00:05:46.460 --> 00:05:47.900
Just like we said in that episode.
00:05:47.900 --> 00:05:55.060
And if you're struggling to perform at a certain sample rate, the benefits of doing that are
00:05:49.260 --> 00:05:59.180
Yes.
00:05:55.060 --> 00:05:58.760
sort of outweighed by all the problems you're having.
00:05:58.760 --> 00:06:05.940
So I think if you are, if you have a system that struggles to do 96, I don't do 96.
00:05:59.180 --> 00:06:06.180
Yes.
00:06:05.940 --> 00:06:07.980
I tend to stay at like 48.
00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:34.620
Mm hmm. Yes, myth number two. This is one of my favorite argument points, I think in
00:06:07.980 --> 00:06:10.680
I'm like, yeah, never had an issue with anything.
00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:17.440
And also it's a little bit dependent on what I do, type of music that I do, that type of
00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:19.400
thing.
00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:21.440
But is it always better?
00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:24.380
No, it's not always better.
00:06:24.380 --> 00:06:25.860
So there we go.
00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:55.060
myth number one yeah yeah yeah this yeah the beat the beat was recorded on four
00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:42.140
with people that are claiming to be purists about recording and they always love to bring up this
00:06:42.140 --> 00:06:49.740
specific band when it comes up and that is the Beatles. Yeah man the Beatles wouldn't have done
00:06:49.740 --> 00:07:02.380
that or the Beatles only did this and it's like no kind of not exactly. No not at all.
00:06:55.060 --> 00:07:00.900
track. Yeah, but did they did they only use four tracks though?
00:07:00.900 --> 00:07:05.780
You know, no, it's no, this is another one that you know, it
00:07:02.380 --> 00:07:07.380
Sure.
00:07:05.780 --> 00:07:12.540
just drives me up the wall when I hear people say that. With all
00:07:07.380 --> 00:07:12.380
Mm-hmm.
00:07:12.380 --> 00:07:17.380
Mm-hmm.
00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:18.980
the tools that we have today, you know, to somehow equate that
00:07:17.380 --> 00:07:22.380
Mm-hmm.
00:07:18.980 --> 00:07:23.140
that's bad because the technology didn't exist in 66.
00:07:22.380 --> 00:07:29.380
Sure.
00:07:23.500 --> 00:07:39.000
You know, but also completely disregarding that all the boundaries that the Beatles pushed with the technology they had, you know, and overdub upon overdub upon overdub, you know.
00:07:29.380 --> 00:07:42.380
Weren't they also one of the, I think they were one of the very first bands to record
00:07:42.380 --> 00:07:43.880
a track.
00:07:43.880 --> 00:07:44.880
If I'm not mistaken.
00:07:44.880 --> 00:07:50.880
Cause like they strung several machines together to get extra tracks.
00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:51.880
If I'm not mistaken.
00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:53.300
Oh, I mean...
00:07:51.880 --> 00:07:57.400
that's George Martin like really pushed the envelope with those guys. So not only that,
00:07:53.300 --> 00:07:57.120
Oh, yeah.
00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:22.120
[silence]
00:07:57.400 --> 00:08:02.120
it's like when you think about certain things, it's like, oh, the Beatles played it and it was pure.
00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:08.360
And it's like, yeah, well, what about the times when they would slow down tape to play things they
00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:13.960
couldn't play at the tempo they wanted to play them at. So they would slow the tape down in order
00:08:13.960 --> 00:08:18.600
in order to be able to perform a particular part,
00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.400
of course that required also retuning an instrument
00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.120
Sure.
00:08:22.400 --> 00:08:25.440
to be tuned to the appropriate whatever tempo
00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:27.200
the tape was slowed down to,
00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.120
[silence]
00:08:27.200 --> 00:08:29.320
so that when it was sped back up,
00:08:29.320 --> 00:08:32.260
it would be able to be in tune.
00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:34.120
Be in tune, yeah.
00:08:32.260 --> 00:08:37.260
So they used tape speed and slowed it down
00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:46.120
[silence]
00:08:37.260 --> 00:08:40.260
in order to play stuff they couldn't physically play
00:08:40.260 --> 00:08:43.560
at the tempo that they wanted the recording to be at.
00:08:43.560 --> 00:08:48.520
That is a huge use of technology right there
00:08:46.120 --> 00:09:13.120
[silence]
00:08:48.520 --> 00:08:49.500
when you think about it,
00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:51.360
because it was easier to do that then
00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.520
than it is to do now.
00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:56.680
'Cause if you slow down a recording in digital
00:08:56.680 --> 00:08:58.480
and you speed it back up,
00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.320
you're not getting the full picture.
00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.740
You're getting slices of the picture you recorded,
00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:05.580
if that makes sense,
00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:07.840
because they're taking, remove samples.
00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.440
You don't speed up samples.
00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.160
It removes samples to get to the faster tempo, right?
00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:18.120
Yeah, I mean, I think that yeah, I don't think that's necessarily the whole picture.
00:09:13.160 --> 00:09:14.420
Am I wrong about that?
00:09:14.420 --> 00:09:15.420
I don't think I am.
00:09:15.420 --> 00:09:25.060
Sure.
00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.120
But I mean, I think that technology exists today.
00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:26.120
I mean, there's you can do that, you know, I'm sure in any dog, but there's like very speed and logic where you can do that.
00:09:25.060 --> 00:09:34.360
Right.
00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.120
But but there might be artifacts and stuff.
00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:34.120
But but you're right in that we don't have to deal with the tuning thing. Right.
00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.120
But yeah, in the same way.
00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:35.320
In the same way.
00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:45.320
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.840
But the idea here is the thing that really gets me,
00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.840
never mind a performance aspect of the Beatles,
00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:56.140
Yeah.
00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:49.720
if it was a part perhaps,
00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:54.720
but just how they used the studio as a creative tool
00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.560
and really pushed it to the limits.
00:09:56.140 --> 00:10:04.140
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:09:57.560 --> 00:10:00.880
I mean, especially, you start getting into,
00:10:00.880 --> 00:10:04.800
Sergeant Pepper or any of that,
00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:05.140
(
00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:09.120
post touring kind of Arab Beatles, right? And you see just,
00:10:05.140 --> 00:10:10.640
audio cuts out)
00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:31.440
yeah, so the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it bright. Yeah, and
00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:15.620
edited two different takes of a song together to make a complete take because maybe something
00:10:15.620 --> 00:10:17.420
went wrong in another take.
00:10:17.420 --> 00:10:23.900
That is technically overdubbing and splicing and doing all kinds of crazy things to get
00:10:23.900 --> 00:10:26.980
the complete picture of the song the way they envisioned it.
00:10:26.980 --> 00:10:30.900
That's using the technology to its fullest at the time that they had it.
00:10:30.900 --> 00:10:34.620
Well, they didn't use auto tune.
00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:39.880
I think a lot of that was just, you know, dumped in. Yeah, they
00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:37.820
Well, yeah, auto tune didn't exist.
00:10:37.820 --> 00:10:46.620
But if they had, I bet they would have used it.
00:10:39.880 --> 00:10:45.720
might have, maybe, maybe. But it's, I think that the whole
00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.520
argument is that, like you mentioned, you said the word
00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:50.780
Yeah.
00:10:48.520 --> 00:10:52.200
purest, in the beginning there. And I think that is something
00:10:50.780 --> 00:10:53.780
Okay.
00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:57.040
that happens a lot. And I will probably make the same point
00:10:53.780 --> 00:10:56.780
Sure.
00:10:56.780 --> 00:11:01.500
Yes.
00:10:57.040 --> 00:11:00.320
later down than another point that we're going to talk about
00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:06.340
today. But it's the conflation of sort of like that purest
00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:05.880
Okay.
00:11:05.880 --> 00:11:10.280
Huh?
00:11:06.340 --> 00:11:13.040
mentality that that somehow makes the song better. Because
00:11:10.280 --> 00:11:15.260
Okay.
00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:16.820
that's really the end of the line. It doesn't really matter
00:11:15.260 --> 00:11:19.880
Sure.
00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:22.100
how you arrive at, you know, the final product, it's the song that
00:11:19.880 --> 00:11:23.040
Yeah.
00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:27.620
matters, right? A song can sound great on, let's say four tracks,
00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:48.040
Yes.
00:11:27.680 --> 00:11:34.960
right? And it can sound like shit if you have 150 tracks in your DAW, you know, it's the
00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:42.000
song that matters, right? So how you get to the point of completion is almost irrelevant,
00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:47.760
but to think that you can do just because the Beatles did it on four tracks, which they didn't,
00:11:47.760 --> 00:11:54.480
but you know, that somehow makes your song better is crazy to me.
00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:50.120
(laughs)
00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:57.200
Yeah, don't ever compare yourselves to the Beatles,
00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:04.480
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:02.000
especially in a public forum where it might be broadcast
00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.560
over airways of radio or television or cable or whatever.
00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:12.520
It usually doesn't end well.
00:12:05.560 --> 00:12:09.000
The moment you tend to do that, your career will tank.
00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.840
(laughs)
00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.200
Just as the way it goes.
00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.680
The most famous, yeah, it doesn't end well.
00:12:12.520 --> 00:12:17.760
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:12:13.680 --> 00:12:15.320
And I think the most famous case of that
00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:17.080
Was it Jesus and Mary chain?
00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.520
Was that the band that came out and said
00:12:17.760 --> 00:12:19.040
I don't know, I don't know.
00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:24.040
- Well, there's one way to get yourself talked about, right?
00:12:19.520 --> 00:12:21.780
that they wrote songs better than the Beatles?
00:12:21.780 --> 00:12:23.940
And shortly thereafter, they disappeared.
00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:26.020
(laughs)
00:12:24.040 --> 00:12:29.180
But you better back it up.
00:12:26.020 --> 00:12:30.160
Sure, makes you sound stupid.
00:12:29.180 --> 00:12:31.180
And I mean, I've heard other stories and stuff.
00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:41.060
Yeah, it's a good thing to do.
00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:34.940
I mean, if you have that as a benchmark when you're writing,
00:12:34.940 --> 00:12:38.800
but that's great, but you might wanna keep those opinions
00:12:38.800 --> 00:12:43.540
to yourself and you know, so no, this, I think, yeah, go ahead.
00:12:41.060 --> 00:12:44.880
It happened to me actually on a radio interview.
00:12:43.540 --> 00:12:50.540
Yeah.
00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:47.260
somebody said that I had done something, quote unquote,
00:12:47.260 --> 00:12:48.480
better than the Beatles.
00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:51.680
And I immediately spoke right up and said,
00:12:51.540 --> 00:12:58.540
Yeah.
00:12:51.680 --> 00:12:52.760
I did not say that.
00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:56.080
I have no, I don't even wanna make that comparison.
00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.720
'Cause it's like, I don't even wanna go there.
00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.520
And yeah, that was one of the most like frightening moments
00:13:02.520 --> 00:13:07.240
in my career when that went out on a national radio station.
00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.440
And it was just kinda like, yeah, I don't wanna say
00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.800
that I did anything better than the Beatles in that regard.
00:13:13.540 --> 00:13:15.540
Yeah.
00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:23.540
However, interestingly though, last week we had mentioned a band and then I mentioned someone's name who had played uncredited for that band.
00:13:15.540 --> 00:13:17.540
Mm-hmm.
00:13:17.540 --> 00:13:30.540
Mm-hmm.
00:13:23.540 --> 00:13:28.640
And I had a moment of conversation with said guitar player.
00:13:28.640 --> 00:13:30.640
Steve Wamet.
00:13:30.540 --> 00:13:36.540
Okay.
00:13:30.640 --> 00:13:34.640
He still talks to Eric Valentine.
00:13:36.140 --> 00:13:41.140
and had made a comment about his early recording days
00:13:36.540 --> 00:13:38.540
Okay.
00:13:38.540 --> 00:13:50.540
Right.
00:13:41.140 --> 00:13:45.060
and wanting to get the Tascam 688
00:13:45.060 --> 00:13:47.740
when you were recording eight tracks on a cassette tape.
00:13:47.740 --> 00:13:52.300
And Eric gave him a bunch of shit about it, apparently.
00:13:50.540 --> 00:13:53.540
Really?
00:13:52.300 --> 00:13:54.180
Yes, so I thought that was interesting.
00:13:54.180 --> 00:13:58.080
And Eric's theory on it was is that four tracks on a cassette
00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.780
is already bad enough with how little tape you get.
00:14:01.780 --> 00:14:03.660
And now you're cutting that in half
00:14:04.540 --> 00:14:32.540
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:04.560 --> 00:14:06.200
for the amount of tape that you're getting
00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:07.500
for each eight track thing,
00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:08.480
which I thought was interesting
00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.840
'cause then I brought up Jeff Soto
00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.080
who recorded his first solo record, "Love Parade"
00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:16.040
on a Tascam 688.
00:14:16.040 --> 00:14:18.360
And that thing actually sounds quite good.
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.520
So, but Jeff really knew what he was doing.
00:14:21.520 --> 00:14:23.980
And I'm sure Steve knows, really knows what he's doing.
00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:26.360
But it was just an interesting conversation to have
00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.580
after last week's episode with the guy
00:14:28.580 --> 00:14:30.960
and talking about Eric Valentine and all that
00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.000
in relation to, you know, how many tracks do you need
00:14:33.540 --> 00:14:52.540
Yeah.
00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.360
and what quality of those tracks need to be.
00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:41.280
So Eric's point about a 688
00:14:41.280 --> 00:14:43.720
and eight tracks on a cassette tape is valid.
00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:45.560
There's no question that it's not valid,
00:14:45.560 --> 00:14:48.640
but it's also interesting that you can do quality recording
00:14:48.640 --> 00:14:50.200
based on the gear that you have.
00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.800
So we'll get to that more of that later.
00:14:52.540 --> 00:15:14.540
Yeah.
00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:54.640
But yeah, that all kind of relates back
00:14:54.640 --> 00:14:55.720
to the Beatles doing things
00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.240
and using the technical prowess of everything they had.
00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.660
Plus they had George Martin in the studio with them,
00:15:00.660 --> 00:15:03.760
who was a technical guru on top of all of that,
00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:07.020
who helped twist and bend and do all of this stuff for them.
00:15:07.020 --> 00:15:10.820
So to say that the Beatles wouldn't use today's technology
00:15:10.820 --> 00:15:13.780
is just asinine, don't even go there.
00:15:13.780 --> 00:15:16.680
It's just, they'll use any, they would have used anything
00:15:14.540 --> 00:15:24.540
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:15:16.680 --> 00:15:18.140
and everything they could get their hands on
00:15:18.140 --> 00:15:21.980
to get the song to the final point of where it needed to be.
00:15:21.980 --> 00:15:24.940
And yeah, and I think I've mentioned CJ Vanston
00:15:24.540 --> 00:15:41.820
It is, and that's the always use subtractive EQ.
00:15:24.940 --> 00:15:27.980
on this before, he and I had a discussion about it
00:15:27.980 --> 00:15:30.500
in relation to something we'll talk about
00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:31.980
further down the line in this episode.
00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:36.060
So let's move on to our next point, which is one I know is a real sticking point for
00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:37.220
you.
00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:38.220
Yes.
00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:39.220
Yes.
00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:40.220
Yes.
00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:41.220
Mm hmm.
00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:42.220
Okay.
00:15:41.820 --> 00:15:48.060
absolute nonsense in my opinion. And here's why. Yeah, we, I
00:15:42.220 --> 00:16:05.900
Yes. Yes, I've heard of that concept. I don't follow it, but I've heard of it.
00:15:48.060 --> 00:15:51.760
mean, we've talked about EQ and EQ techniques in things in the
00:15:51.760 --> 00:15:55.980
past. Now, there are certain, you know, certain people that
00:15:55.980 --> 00:15:59.940
adhere to this, right, as opposed to boosting only cutting.
00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:08.100
I think that's, yeah, right. And I'm sure that can work for some
00:16:05.900 --> 00:16:29.580
Sure. Yeah.
00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:15.300
I'm sure that can work for some people, but my thought of it is that, well, you use
00:16:15.300 --> 00:16:20.820
subtractive EQ when you need to subtract something out of the curve, right?
00:16:20.820 --> 00:16:22.460
You subtract it there.
00:16:22.460 --> 00:16:27.420
The idea that you shouldn't be boosting anything, I think, is I think you're really shooting
00:16:27.420 --> 00:16:33.460
yourself in the foot, because let's say that or anything, right?
00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:56.340
the face. Hmm. Yeah, that'd be kind of silly, wouldn't it?
00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:39.380
But it's, you know, let's take the concept to an extreme, right?
00:16:39.380 --> 00:16:43.500
It's like, okay, well, I want more 10K in this.
00:16:43.500 --> 00:16:44.580
Okay.
00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:50.700
So in order to get more 10K, you would subtract everything under 10K to get the same result
00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:53.980
that, you know, that's sort of like the math.
00:16:53.980 --> 00:16:58.620
Well, to me, and then I think that's in a nutshell.
00:16:56.340 --> 00:17:13.320
Yes.
00:16:58.620 --> 00:17:02.980
Now the same could be said, of course, if you're only boosting, right?
00:17:02.980 --> 00:17:07.820
if you say, well, I want, there's too much low end in this.
00:17:07.820 --> 00:17:10.620
So I'm gonna boost everything over a hundred.
00:17:10.620 --> 00:17:12.620
Well, that sounds just as silly, doesn't it?
00:17:12.620 --> 00:17:14.640
So you subtract,
00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:16.280
It sounds silly, but it could be done.
00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.020
well, of course everything,
00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:18.900
But it's just, it makes your work harder.
00:17:18.020 --> 00:17:24.380
well, yeah, I think when you have all of these sort of hard
00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:19.900
That's the real problem.
00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:21.160
makes work harder.
00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:30.200
Yes.
00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:27.620
and fast rules, you end up painting yourself in a corner
00:17:27.620 --> 00:17:29.940
that is completely unnecessary.
00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:34.060
So you use subtractive EQ when you need to take something out
00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:46.380
It is utter nonsense.
00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:37.420
and you use additive EQ when you need to boost something.
00:17:37.420 --> 00:17:38.660
It's as simple as that to me.
00:17:38.660 --> 00:17:43.660
So I think to only do one thing, nah, nonsense, I think.
00:17:43.660 --> 00:17:48.620
Yeah, you agree with me on that?
00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:48.960
Always use subtractive EQ.
00:17:48.620 --> 00:17:53.940
Yeah.
00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.700
Use whatever EQ you need, right?
00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:55.740
To make it sound awesome.
00:17:53.940 --> 00:17:59.660
Yeah, 'cause no, yeah, no, it's the last thing I said
00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:57.980
And with that, we're gonna, we'll go ahead.
00:17:57.980 --> 00:18:09.700
(laughing)
00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:03.740
before we go to break here is nobody's ever listened to a mix
00:18:03.740 --> 00:18:07.260
and gone like, oh, he should have used more subtractive EQ on
00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:11.900
the kick. You know, it's like, nobody cares, you know, if
00:18:09.700 --> 00:18:13.640
That could very well be, you know what, I agree with you.
00:18:11.900 --> 00:18:24.460
yeah, or just like, yeah, I can totally hear that he didn't
00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.640
I'm not listening to a Max and going,
00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:20.480
Damn, he should have just used a lot more subtractive EQ in the 3K range.
00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:21.240
Huh?
00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:29.640
Silly.
00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:27.500
adhere to using I think he boosted something in there. It's
00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:30.340
like, yeah, okay, whatever.
00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.040
All right.
00:18:30.340 --> 00:18:48.020
Yeah, you're not a real guitar player
00:18:31.040 --> 00:18:36.440
And with that silliness, we're going to take a quick word break from our sponsor.
00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.440
All right.
00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:44.240
And we're back and we're talking about never using absims.
00:18:44.240 --> 00:19:02.360
Yeah, of course.
00:18:48.020 --> 00:18:49.380
if you use Ampsims, right?
00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:50.740
Isn't that the thing?
00:18:50.740 --> 00:18:54.900
And it has to have the, you gotta have a giant tube stack
00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:57.840
and you gotta do all that kind of stuff.
00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:00.560
That's something that you adhere to loyally, right?
00:19:00.560 --> 00:19:02.900
Yeah.
00:19:02.360 --> 00:19:08.520
Why else would I be doing this if I wasn't using my giant Marshall stack with 18 cabinets?
00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:10.140
Mm-hmm.
00:19:08.520 --> 00:19:09.520
Right?
00:19:09.520 --> 00:19:14.000
Yeah, we've talked about that one kind of ad nauseam in several episodes.
00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:35.140
Yeah.
00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:20.240
about recording guitars. And yeah, no, maybe and maybe not, I
00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:25.740
have talked about this little anecdotal story, where I had an
00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:30.440
artist that I was going to be co writing an entire CD of music
00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.980
with and he wanted to bring in his stack to the studio. And I
00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:40.720
said, you can bring it in, but we're not going to use it. He
00:19:35.140 --> 00:19:44.260
That's a real popular statement. Unless you know the guy really
00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:41.880
He kind of looked at me.
00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:46.880
Yeah, no, and I knew him,
00:19:44.260 --> 00:19:45.640
well, you might not want to say that.
00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.720
(laughs)
00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.000
but it was just kind of funny
00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:48.560
- Yeah.
00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:50.080
because he was like all gung ho about it.
00:19:48.560 --> 00:20:09.160
- Sure.
00:19:50.080 --> 00:19:51.520
And then he's like questioning it.
00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:54.600
So I plugged him in and I said, what sound do you want?
00:19:54.600 --> 00:19:57.720
And then I dialed it in within a matter of, you know,
00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.440
30 seconds to a minute and a half and he got to play it.
00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:02.720
And then he then made another comment.
00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.680
I'm like, well, what happens if I roll off the volume
00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:05.520
on my guitar?
00:20:05.520 --> 00:20:07.840
Because obviously amps react differently
00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:10.080
based on how you roll off volume
00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:14.560
- Mm-hmm.
00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:13.500
coming from your guitar because it changes the input value
00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:15.860
of what you're coming into the amp with.
00:20:14.560 --> 00:20:43.720
Yeah, but in all fairness to that, to play devil's advocate, early amp sims didn't necessarily
00:20:15.860 --> 00:20:19.580
And I said, well, why don't you try it out
00:20:19.580 --> 00:20:22.520
and find out what you think?
00:20:22.520 --> 00:20:24.700
So he certainly does it.
00:20:24.700 --> 00:20:27.540
And as he's doing it, he's like,
00:20:27.540 --> 00:20:29.080
jaw starts hitting the floor.
00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:31.560
He's like, it's reacting just like a real amp.
00:20:31.560 --> 00:20:33.200
And I said, duh.
00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:34.620
(laughs)
00:20:34.620 --> 00:20:36.000
So there was that.
00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:45.360
No, that's true.
00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:50.680
do that. They didn't, you know, write so that they actually react differently and not just
00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:50.240
It could take a while to get there.
00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:56.160
Yeah, it's a bizarre.
00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:57.160
make the signal lower. They actually reacted, you know, not the way, but today.
00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.700
It's a bizarre myth in today's today's world.
00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:07.000
Sure.
00:20:58.700 --> 00:21:00.720
It's a bizarre myth to hold on to that.
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.840
And it's it same would hold true for bass Sims two.
00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:08.920
It's when you're doing the guitar amp or the bass amp thing,
00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:22.960
Yeah, no, I think we've talked about this again a lot, but I think it is a big mentality
00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:13.920
the whole concept of like don't use Sims is completely dumb.
00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:15.980
Asinine, silly.
00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:20.520
Quite a bit, yeah, we don't need to go into it.
00:21:20.520 --> 00:21:21.600
Made me something.
00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:44.860
(laughing)
00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:28.480
thing and it's a very guitar player type of a thing as well, I think.
00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:33.400
But yeah, I would say again, we can probably dispel that method.
00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:39.640
at least yeah not not carry that much weight with that I'm I use them all the
00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:43.800
time on all you do and yeah we've probably already said too much but there
00:21:43.800 --> 00:21:57.560
we go so this it point next is you need great gear to make something cool oh yeah
00:21:44.860 --> 00:21:45.880
So, let's move on.
00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:46.720
Point next.
00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:47.800
Point next is,
00:21:47.800 --> 00:21:58.640
I know I do.
00:21:57.560 --> 00:22:06.560
Yeah, I think we can sometimes let the gear holders back when we do things.
00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:08.640
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:22:06.560 --> 00:22:13.560
And what I mean by that is, oh, I could do this if I only had this piece of gear.
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:27.120
Yeah, it goes back to the couple of episodes that we've done,
00:22:13.560 --> 00:22:18.560
I could do this if I only had this microphone, if I only had this interface,
00:22:18.560 --> 00:22:23.560
and if I only had these monitors, and if I only had this, this, and that.
00:22:23.560 --> 00:22:53.440
and that becomes... yeah... gear acquisition syndrome. Yeah, yeah, we need to know that guy. I think, yes, of course, we need to have a
00:22:27.120 --> 00:22:29.000
like the very first one, know your gear.
00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.040
And then there was another one where we were talking about
00:22:32.040 --> 00:22:35.920
in terms of the gear acquisition,
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.120
which also came the term of GDS,
00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:41.180
which was gear derangement syndrome.
00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:45.080
It's like Jack and the code stock, man,
00:22:45.080 --> 00:22:46.760
if I just had this.
00:22:46.760 --> 00:23:12.360
A microphone. Yes.
00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.680
certain amount of gear if we're doing something. We need to have an interface
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:04.400
and we need to have whatever. But again, yeah, but this comes back to what I'm
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:09.680
kind of hinting at there with the Beatles, right? That ultimately it is this
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:18.480
song that matters and no matter of gear is going to rescue a song that's not
00:23:12.360 --> 00:23:14.440
(laughs)
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:37.020
Yes.
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:25.260
very good. You know, so I think it's something that we use to,
00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:29.560
you know, fantasize about if I only and we do this in software
00:23:29.560 --> 00:23:33.800
all the time, if I only had a better orchestral string library,
00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:38.440
if I only had that I would get more placements, you know, no,
00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:41.420
It's the concept of polishing a turd
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.200
it's your composition. Yeah.
00:23:41.420 --> 00:23:43.600
when it comes to needing great gear.
00:23:42.200 --> 00:24:04.040
Yeah. Oh, do they yeah, yeah.
00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:48.600
And if we go a step beyond the actual show Myth Busters,
00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:51.800
they actually did polish a turd.
00:23:51.800 --> 00:23:54.380
Yeah, they did.
00:23:54.380 --> 00:23:57.260
They actually did an episode about polishing turds.
00:23:57.260 --> 00:24:00.100
So it can be done that doesn't make it better
00:24:00.100 --> 00:24:02.900
than what the original thing is.
00:24:02.900 --> 00:24:06.900
There's a movie a couple of years ago
00:24:04.420 --> 00:24:18.260
Yeah.
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:10.520
and I don't remember the title of it off the top of my head
00:24:10.520 --> 00:24:12.380
but I do remember sitting through the credits
00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:16.980
as I am want to do when I actually see movies in a theater.
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.940
I'm one of those weird guys that sits all the way
00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:24.520
Yeah.
00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:21.780
to the very end of the credits until they're done.
00:24:21.780 --> 00:24:24.580
And you can hear like music that either is
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:25.480
Yeah.
00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:26.420
from the movie itself or going to be
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:32.480
Yeah.
00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:27.780
on the soundtrack of the movie.
00:24:27.780 --> 00:24:31.000
And they had this song by a guy
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:35.220
that was literally recorded on a boom box.
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:39.480
Yeah.
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:39.220
And it fits so perfectly for what the movie was
00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:43.520
for what the sound of what was needed for that movie.
00:24:39.480 --> 00:25:08.480
[ Pause ]
00:24:43.520 --> 00:24:45.420
And it fit perfectly.
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:46.220
So there you go.
00:24:46.220 --> 00:24:51.780
You got a guy singing and playing guitar into a boom box.
00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:56.880
Now, I'm quite sure that it went to a mixing guy to kind of tweak
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.540
a little bit of the EQ and then it went to a mastering guy
00:24:59.540 --> 00:25:01.420
to kind of finalize all that.
00:25:01.420 --> 00:25:03.480
But there was no separation.
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.140
It was a boom box recording.
00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:07.280
That was it.
00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:09.280
and it worked perfectly for the situation.
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:37.800
Yeah.
00:25:09.280 --> 00:25:14.280
So that's where it becomes that thing of like the gear,
00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:18.220
you don't need technically great gear,
00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:19.580
but what you need is great song,
00:25:19.580 --> 00:25:21.380
and then you need the wherewithal
00:25:21.380 --> 00:25:24.660
to get the right sound for that song.
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:29.660
So would something like an Ariana Grande pop song
00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:34.920
sound awesome on a Boombox mono recording?
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:36.940
Who knows?
00:25:36.940 --> 00:25:38.260
Could she pull it off?
00:25:37.800 --> 00:25:44.800
Yeah.
00:25:38.260 --> 00:25:39.340
I bet she could.
00:25:39.340 --> 00:25:42.380
However, that doesn't mean everybody else could.
00:25:42.380 --> 00:25:46.580
It really comes down to the players you got playing
00:25:44.800 --> 00:25:53.960
Yeah.
00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:48.860
and how you're manipulating that playing
00:25:48.860 --> 00:25:53.220
once it's going down into some sort of tangible form.
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:56.780
And I've made this discussion before with somebody
00:25:53.960 --> 00:26:06.940
[ Silence ]
00:25:56.780 --> 00:26:00.920
where they wanted like all the plugins in the world
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.700
and the greatest DAW and everything else
00:26:03.700 --> 00:26:05.780
and the one to like go up against
00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:09.020
maybe someone like you or I recording in GarageBand
00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:08.940
* *
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:10.940
*
00:26:09.020 --> 00:26:11.460
with the standard plugins that come in it.
00:26:10.940 --> 00:26:12.940
*
00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.660
And I guarantee that people that know what they're doing
00:26:12.940 --> 00:26:14.940
*
00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:16.940
*
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:19.040
can take that and still make an awesome song
00:26:16.940 --> 00:26:18.940
*
00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:20.940
*
00:26:19.040 --> 00:26:22.060
compared to somebody that has like the greatest gear
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.940
*
00:26:22.060 --> 00:26:25.480
in the world and has no idea what they're doing.
00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:24.940
*
00:26:24.940 --> 00:26:26.940
*
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:30.380
It's like trying to polish a turd, so to speak,
00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:28.940
Oh sure, yeah.
00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:30.940
*
00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:33.740
but at the same time, if you have like all the greatest gear
00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:32.940
*
00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:34.940
*
00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:36.220
but have no clue of what you're doing to use it,
00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:47.020
Yeah, yeah. You have to know the gear that you're using, why you're using it and how
00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:38.460
it does not mean what you're going to churn out
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:39.660
is going to be great.
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:52.020
Mm-hmm.
00:26:47.020 --> 00:26:54.120
to use it. Now, when you mention the boom box thing there and, you know, let's say you
00:26:54.120 --> 00:27:01.340
used Ariana Grande because she pulled it off, probably. But then we're getting into artistic
00:27:01.340 --> 00:27:06.460
choices here. And sometimes you can pull that off and it can
00:27:02.780 --> 00:27:03.620
- Right.
00:27:03.620 --> 00:27:28.780
(laughs)
00:27:06.460 --> 00:27:10.380
have sort of like a low fight charm about it and it can have
00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:13.380
a certain sound that can be appropriate in many situations.
00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:18.860
However, if you are John Williams and you're doing, you
00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:23.140
know, Star Wars soundtrack, it's like no, it's fine. We'll just
00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:25.860
have a couple of players come to John's house and we'll just have
00:27:25.860 --> 00:27:28.820
his boombox. Well, that's obviously not going to work,
00:27:28.780 --> 00:27:29.620
Sure.
00:27:28.820 --> 00:27:35.180
right? So, but those are you can make it happen. So the idea
00:27:29.620 --> 00:27:36.620
Yep.
00:27:35.180 --> 00:27:38.900
that I think both of us are kind of getting to here is, you
00:27:36.620 --> 00:27:43.620
Yep.
00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:42.120
know, even with big proponents like learn to use your stock
00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:47.160
plugins, how does the compressor work? How does an EQ work? Or
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:53.160
how what kind of reverb do you like? Just because you have 10
00:27:53.160 --> 00:28:01.080
reverb plugins or 10 hardware boxes of reverb, that's not going to make or break your song.
00:28:01.080 --> 00:28:05.640
It's just going to give you more confusing palette to play with. So does the gear matter?
00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:02.460
Sure.
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:15.880
Sure.
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:12.360
Yeah, it needs to have a certain standard, but the good thing is that today it's like so much stuff
00:28:12.360 --> 00:28:14.840
is great. Even cheap stuff is great.
00:28:14.840 --> 00:28:16.840
You know, so...
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:21.300
I would say this in terms of trying to blow that myth
00:28:16.840 --> 00:28:26.840
Do it.
00:28:21.300 --> 00:28:25.120
out of the water in terms of needing the great gear.
00:28:25.120 --> 00:28:28.900
Great gear can help, but it doesn't help
00:28:26.840 --> 00:28:50.840
[silence]
00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:30.300
unless you know how to use it.
00:28:30.300 --> 00:28:33.900
And to top it off in terms of like a secret
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:37.500
for great producing or great mixing,
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:40.820
I would think that the producer and the artist
00:28:40.820 --> 00:28:45.820
needs to think about what is the final product
00:28:45.820 --> 00:28:52.260
supposed to sound like and work backwards from there
00:28:50.840 --> 00:29:17.840
Mm-hmm.
00:28:52.260 --> 00:28:56.380
to understand what items you need
00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:58.380
to get to that final product.
00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:00.020
Because if you start off with no clue
00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:02.700
of where you're going, it's not going to help
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:05.080
not knowing what you need to get there.
00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:07.860
So you kind of need to know what the end result
00:29:07.860 --> 00:29:11.340
is supposed to be in order to work your way
00:29:11.340 --> 00:29:12.300
to getting there.
00:29:12.300 --> 00:29:15.320
And then that will help determine what gear do you need
00:29:15.320 --> 00:29:17.000
in order to make that happen.
00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:21.780
- Yeah, no, that's a very, very good point.
00:29:21.780 --> 00:29:26.680
I heard, I think it was in one of Pensado places,
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.320
Dave Pensado was talking about,
00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:29.940
Mm, yes, very knowledgeable man.
00:29:29.320 --> 00:29:32.520
and he did the analogy with cooking.
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:33.140
Mm-hmm.
00:29:32.520 --> 00:29:36.460
He's like, you need to know what you're gonna do with audio
00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:48.000
(laughing)
00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:37.300
when it comes in.
00:29:37.300 --> 00:29:40.600
He said, you don't just go into a kitchen
00:29:40.600 --> 00:29:43.240
and not have any idea what it is that you're gonna make
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.100
and just start throwing shit into the frying pan.
00:29:46.100 --> 00:29:49.920
You have an idea that, well, I'm going to make this dish
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.620
Yes.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.280
and then you choose the appropriate ingredients.
00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:55.180
It's kind, it sounds like a dumb analogy,
00:29:55.180 --> 00:29:56.840
but it really, really works
00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:57.820
No, it's a, it does.
00:29:56.840 --> 00:29:59.340
because if we take that mindset, right?
00:29:57.820 --> 00:30:17.120
Well, are you gonna get a singer
00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:04.080
If, yeah, I'm gonna do a modern production
00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:06.080
of a black metal album, right?
00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:11.080
Okay, so I'm gonna go and get some telly guitars.
00:30:11.080 --> 00:30:13.460
I'm gonna go get some synths.
00:30:13.460 --> 00:30:14.620
No, no, you're not.
00:30:14.620 --> 00:30:15.960
You're not gonna get any of that.
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.240
You need some...
00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:18.740
that sounds like Tom Jones too?
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.160
Yeah, exactly.
00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:21.400
That'll really make the mark.
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.720
Yeah, so, you know, the gear and in that case,
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.660
(chuckles)
00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:49.460
Or a power ballad for that matter.
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.720
you need, you know, make sure they have
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.160
like super high gain guitars,
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.960
you get to tune your drums up and all this kind of stuff.
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.360
You might need triggers and a good drum library, whatever.
00:30:36.360 --> 00:30:37.200
Right?
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.040
But you have to choose that.
00:30:38.040 --> 00:30:41.080
That's a different tool set than if you're making
00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:48.080
modern pop track right yeah those different tools so you need to know what
00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:55.880
you have right yeah anything right but to sit and worry about oh I don't have
00:30:49.460 --> 00:31:03.300
Wait a minute.
00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:08.300
the latest LSL console plugins who cares you know it doesn't matter yeah right
00:31:03.300 --> 00:31:04.500
What are you talking to console plug-in?
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:08.100
I don't have the latest SSL, damn it.
00:31:08.100 --> 00:31:15.100
And I need it.
00:31:08.300 --> 00:31:20.300
I don't know. I can't. Yeah, it really, really confused. I understand it, but it blows me away the argument you see this on like forums all the time.
00:31:15.100 --> 00:31:18.100
(scissors snipping)
00:31:18.100 --> 00:31:28.100
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:31:20.300 --> 00:31:34.300
So, well, does this console emulation sound better than another company's console emulation? Does that sound more like an SSL? Does this sound more like an 1176?
00:31:28.100 --> 00:31:46.920
Yes.
00:31:34.300 --> 00:31:40.900
It's like, well, who cares? Really? Like, does it sound good to you? Do you know how to use it? That's all that really matters.
00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:47.300
So the other stuff, that's for the marketing department. Let them work with that, how to sell their gear.
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:54.740
Go back to episode one and check that episode out.
00:31:47.300 --> 00:31:51.300
But know the gear that you have and...
00:31:51.300 --> 00:31:55.300
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:31:54.740 --> 00:31:59.580
We talked about it out at Infinitum and I'm going to like snip you in the bud right now.
00:31:55.300 --> 00:31:56.140
Yeah.
00:31:56.140 --> 00:32:06.860
Woo hoo.
00:31:59.580 --> 00:32:05.660
So let's move on to Friday Vines.
00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:07.460
What do you got for us, Chris?
00:32:06.860 --> 00:32:12.720
I have been really, really busy with a lot of tracking,
00:32:07.460 --> 00:32:17.460
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.680
but I did come across a really fun,
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.200
now keyword there is fun, an esoteric plugin
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:27.920
Wires and what does wires do?
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.340
from a company called Audio Thing,
00:32:23.340 --> 00:32:27.100
and they have a plugin called Wires.
00:32:27.100 --> 00:32:32.100
So Wires is actually an emulation of sorts
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:35.920
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:32:32.100 --> 00:32:38.740
of Cold War era Soviet spy recording technology.
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:36.920
What?
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:42.920
Can I do that again?
00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:45.380
So yeah, they have many, say what?
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.920
What?
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:44.920
Okay.
00:32:44.920 --> 00:33:11.160
Okay.
00:32:45.380 --> 00:32:51.620
Yeah, it emulates that sound that spies would use
00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:55.260
to record meetings and audio and all this kind of stuff.
00:32:55.260 --> 00:33:00.260
So it has this wonderful sort of lo-fi sound going to.
00:33:00.260 --> 00:33:02.620
So it's very much like an effect.
00:33:02.620 --> 00:33:07.620
It has degradation of audio and delays and things.
00:33:07.620 --> 00:33:11.260
It's a really, really fun, cool tool.
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.600
Does it do dropouts as well?
00:33:11.260 --> 00:33:13.580
Is it something that you can...
00:33:13.580 --> 00:33:15.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:13.600 --> 00:33:14.600
Really?
00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:36.160
Really? Wow. All right. I am going with the playback functionality of life at this point
00:33:15.300 --> 00:33:16.420
All that kind of stuff.
00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:18.060
Yeah, so it's...
00:33:18.060 --> 00:33:19.020
Go check it out.
00:33:19.020 --> 00:33:20.660
Audio thing, they have a functioning demo.
00:33:20.660 --> 00:33:25.300
It's fun. Is it something that you're going to use in every mix? No, but it is really,
00:33:25.300 --> 00:33:40.260
really cool. And if you, yeah, wires, audio thing, what do you, what do you got for us?
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:42.920
and it is not a mixing tool. It is Spotify has just announced that they're doing a high
00:33:40.260 --> 00:33:57.200
Do you want to pick up a one each?
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:48.320
high-fi tier, which means that they will be streaming lossless versions of files.
00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:55.200
They call it as title used to think of saying we are CD quality audio kind of thing.
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.320
Well, Spotify has announced they're getting into that game.
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.760
A one?
00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:00.700
They're going to create a high-fi tier.
00:34:00.700 --> 00:34:07.840
It will cost $14.99, which means it's $5 more than the standard $9.99 for your regular premium
00:34:00.760 --> 00:34:08.740
[ Silence ]
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.000
account.
00:34:08.740 --> 00:34:13.740
[ Silence ]
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.900
Does that mean it's translating to artists getting paid more for a stream?
00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:14.900
I have no idea.
00:34:14.740 --> 00:34:19.740
[ Silence ]
00:34:14.900 --> 00:34:15.900
They haven't announced it.
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:17.580
And I realized there's a lot of people out there.
00:34:17.580 --> 00:34:21.180
Spotify's a double, but I'm not one of those people.
00:34:19.740 --> 00:34:46.380
>> Cool.
00:34:21.180 --> 00:34:22.900
I think Spotify is great.
00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:24.100
I think Apple Music's great.
00:34:24.100 --> 00:34:25.100
I think titles great.
00:34:25.100 --> 00:34:26.100
I think Deezer's great.
00:34:26.100 --> 00:34:28.100
I think they're all great.
00:34:28.100 --> 00:34:36.540
You're able to play a plethora of music for one monthly fee, usually around $9.99 unless
00:34:36.540 --> 00:34:38.540
you're going for the high audio tier.
00:34:38.540 --> 00:34:44.860
So welcome to the club with Spotify for their HiFi tier that's coming soon.
00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:48.900
I guess they joined the ranks of title and Amazon music because I think Amazon does that
00:34:46.380 --> 00:35:04.540
All right. Yeah.
00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:50.820
as well.
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:58.860
So and you know, the probably the now defunct Pono system from Neil Young because he was
00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:05.220
trying to go for the whole high, high definition audio thing with his little player.
00:35:04.540 --> 00:35:14.540
[BLANK_AUDIO]
00:35:05.220 --> 00:35:09.580
But yeah, so Spotify is jumping in with the Hi-Fi audio tier, which is cool.
00:35:09.580 --> 00:35:16.620
I'm hopeful that it means that it's as simple as flipping a switch with them.
00:35:14.540 --> 00:35:33.980
Yeah, we're gonna need those in the, yeah, we're gonna need the 192.
00:35:16.620 --> 00:35:21.900
And it's not a matter of distributors having to re send audio files to Spotify
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:25.180
because boy, I send them 96 K files.
00:35:25.180 --> 00:35:28.540
So I'm hoping 96 kilohertz files.
00:35:28.540 --> 00:35:31.300
So I'm hoping I don't need to re upload those kind of things.
00:35:31.300 --> 00:35:34.380
So that the but yeah.
00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:40.460
Yeah. Yeah. Right. There you go. Yeah.
00:35:34.620 --> 00:35:36.220
Yeah, right.
00:35:36.220 --> 00:35:38.300
So we can get down to CD quality audio.
00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:41.260
But it's a nice step forward
00:35:40.460 --> 00:36:01.500
We'll see. Yeah. I mean, that's another point where it's, you know,
00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:43.740
because I would imagine in five to 10 years from now
00:35:43.740 --> 00:35:46.860
or maybe less, who knows,
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:51.540
when broadband speeds and mobile speeds get even faster
00:35:51.540 --> 00:35:52.980
and faster and faster, who knows?
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:56.020
Maybe it will push the market to get to that level,
00:35:56.020 --> 00:35:58.460
but for a while, I don't think.
00:35:58.460 --> 00:35:59.860
But yeah, it's cool.
00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:09.840
Yeah, that's that's the tough part.
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:07.100
Ultimately, we'll find out if the average consumer really cares.
00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:09.100
And hopefully, we'd like to think so.
00:36:09.100 --> 00:36:10.940
Yeah, but anyway, yeah, that's cool.
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.840
We'd like to think they do, but who knows.
00:36:10.940 --> 00:36:12.760
Cool. Yeah.
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:12.840
So I can.
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.760
(sighs)
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.840
Yeah.
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.600
So while we're still here and we've got your attention, attention, please go to the website
00:36:15.560 --> 00:36:15.880
you
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.940
you
00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:20.000
you
00:36:18.600 --> 00:36:24.160
inside the recording studio.com forward slash reviews so you can leave us a review because
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.060
you
00:36:22.060 --> 00:36:24.120
you
00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:26.180
you
00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:28.360
it does actually help us to get reviews on the podcast.
00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:28.240
you
00:36:28.300 --> 00:36:30.360
you
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.660
We certainly hope that since you're listening this long,
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.420
you
00:36:30.660 --> 00:36:32.280
you would do that for us.
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.080
You can also go to inside the recording studio.com/gift
00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:34.480
you
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.540
you
00:36:36.540 --> 00:36:38.600
you
00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:40.440
or any, particularly any page on the website
00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:40.660
you
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.480
and you can get signed up for our email list
00:36:40.660 --> 00:36:42.720
you
00:36:42.720 --> 00:36:44.820
you
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.040
and you will get something in return for doing so,
00:36:45.640 --> 00:36:47.700
you
00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:47.940
which is some plugin presets
00:36:47.700 --> 00:36:49.760
you
00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:50.520
from the Slate Company plugins
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.380
you
00:36:50.520 --> 00:36:53.240
and some from the Universal Audio plugins.
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:54.440
you
00:36:53.240 --> 00:36:54.360
Thanks to Chris and I
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.800
because we love doing those kinds of things for you.
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.500
you
00:36:56.660 --> 00:36:58.720
you
00:36:58.200 --> 00:37:04.920
And you'll also get weekly reminders of what episodes and Tuesday tips have just happened in
00:36:58.720 --> 00:37:00.780
you
00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:02.780
you
00:37:03.580 --> 00:37:05.640
you
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:12.600
the past week to keep you up to date so that you don't miss future episodes of ITRS. In addition
00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:08.720
you
00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:10.780
you
00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:12.840
you
00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:22.600
to that, send us an email to Goldstar, G-O-L-D-S-T-A-R at Inside the Recording Studio with the word
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.900
you
00:37:14.900 --> 00:37:42.900
[ Pause ]
00:37:23.640 --> 00:37:31.000
myth and you get some fun back in your inbox this week. Plus, if you have a topic that you would
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:42.760
like Chris and I to pontificate upon, send us a... Well, you go to our contact page, essentially,
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:48.680
on the website and fill out the form and we'll take it into consideration to put it into rotation
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.660
(laughing)
00:37:45.660 --> 00:37:59.680
- Happy good one, thanks for listening.
00:37:48.680 --> 00:37:55.800
for a future episode. And with that, I'm going to say thank you for listening. We're going
00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:00.040
to say, see ya. Bye bye.
00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:00.680
Happy good one, Jody.
00:38:00.040 --> 00:38:01.040
Thank you.
00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:21.940
air