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[SPEAKER_04]: I just play a lot of golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll I remember being gone all day, great excuse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Roman Williams wants to try to explain the beginnings of golf from the Scotsman who invented it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's my idea for a f**k boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a ball in a go for a hole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you mean like, fool, fool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not with a straight stick, with a little f**k stick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I whack a ball and go in a go for a hoff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those beeps, that's something you don't want to hear in the family podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but there's more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I put the whole hundreds of yams away!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh!
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's big fellas!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's a good thing!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like a bowling thing!
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[SPEAKER_03]: No!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not straight, I put the- The way!
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[SPEAKER_03]: But please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, please, and please, and please, and please, and please, please, and please, and please, and please,
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[SPEAKER_02]: after a successful business career and doing lots of other things athletic decided it was about time to take up golf in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he played a lot of golf for 13 years, but then radiation from a cancer that he had 40 years ago began to affect him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: went up on the range and hit golf balls for an hour, think I fell down three times, I came home so discouraged.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I basically told Judy, that's it, you know, I'm in golf this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it, but you know, it's not going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he found what South African Anthony
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you sit, you drive to wherever you want to go and then you push about and then you stand up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a game changer, both for golf and life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Mike Sugarman and I'm Janice Wright and this is I'm still rolling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is a special edition of Dream Stone Rowling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We went into the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, darling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went on location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't go into the field of my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the Sharon Hills golf club.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you'll understand why in a moment, but first let's get some business out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah the business about if you like this our podcast if you would like to leave a comment it can be negative if you want give us some tips you know tell us what we're doing wrong um in the little comments section that'd be good and then tell your friends about it tell a neighbor you know tell somebody
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[SPEAKER_01]: Passing on the street, we don't care a low bar, anyway, and yeah, that would really help because we're trying to get some important messages out here about Disabilities and maybe somebody would benefit from your comment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, now this is typically the part where we introduce ourselves, but this is the 34th time we've done this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think people who have followed this know who we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do we really have to do this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just do it really quick, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Together, we've been in the broadcast business news, radio and TV news for over a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, almost a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I was a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And for a podcast that deals with disabilities and other troubles and people's lives, here's the real reason that we are qualified to do this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a paraplegic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And for those of you who have watched this 34 times, you know, he was from an operation on my Aorta, which was successful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But two days later in the ICU, I suffered a spinal cord stroke, and I became paralyzed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, enough about us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You need legs to play golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need, well, you have legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just don't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't work well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be able to stand up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but you don't have to with the varicat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was it like for you when you hit it for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very, very emotional experience, you know, I realized that I could, in fact, re-engage in the activity that I just loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was after almost a year and a half of basically giving it up knowing that the thinking I would never get to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How far would you like to see this technology go, as far as when what would be your dream for how many people could benefit from this young and old?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think, as technology, and it's both mechanical engineering and there will be AI that will end up in these cards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure at some point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it will just extend the life of, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: of many golfers, people that have passion for it, and then there are just abilities that have kept them from playing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Much like me, but I also get very excited about what it can do for wounded warriors, for example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People that haven't lived 80% of their life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: yet, you know, they've had 80% of their potential life in front of them taking away and so that's even more exciting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So do you play for some and just like a regular golf game?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have two sims for sims I play, I play skins game, you know, the wonderful thing about golf and that no pun intended, but it's designed for the handicap, right, and that makes me competitive, and I am a very competitive guy, I mean, I race cars and, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: play any game that anybody will bring around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So being able to play competitive golf, I mean, I'm not playing big tournaments anymore, but I'll play the Wednesday skin skin's game at the local club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at this point, I've still ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the reaction when you roll out on this on the golf course or do you get much reaction?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do and people I think I think it's inspiring for others to see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't, I'm not out there to inspire others, but, you know, they, they recognize that, where do you mean that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's somebody that's got a disability that's out there enjoying life, and so I think it's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike works with an exoskeleton that stands him up and we were working at the Veterans Administration in New York and he it's a big robot sort of thing and he when he walked around the VA the reaction from the wounded warriors there he would get applause.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking about inspiring people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah man go go do or not you are aspiring people yeah yeah yeah yeah so in that reaction you get any flaws out there no applause yet but I I have many many people come up and tell me how inspiring it is to see me out here when I was young and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was warned about getting bedcours and I'd seen many of my friends who were active tennis players, active basketball players, rugby players in wheelchairs and they all had these horrible bedcours and they came from their active sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if that's from being a healthy active wheelchair, you know athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why, um, what was the problem?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was getting people off of their butt, literally figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of nice, the way they take a fly-fishing rod and go on the side of the relate, um, keep in trap shooting was my initial idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to, you know, keep in trap in five stand and go from one location to the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't them to be pushed by anybody because that's something that we really have a problem with and accepting is wanting, you know, I need some help, you know, I need an adult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a learning phase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've learned to ask that to go about 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Mike has learned to ask so he's in a short period of time, congratulations Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really stubborn, you know, you got a lot of alphas out there, that's the reason we got into the trouble being, you know, in the spec ops or wherever we were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or just, you know, unfortunate with ideas and things like that, that put us in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the problems that we have is a mental problem, physical problem, but we still have to stand no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what way to do it better than having fun?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not therapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can go into the sweat room or the, you know, and pain is what weakness leaving the body is a Marine Corps motto.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it but you need to actually physically do that on a regular basis and we found and thank goodness we found it by luck that golf has a perfect way of doing that because you're standing an average of about 110, 120 times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, between sitting and standing and hitting the ball on the driving range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you don't need that many times, Zag, that means you hit the ball 120 times, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my, that's my handy cam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, if that's in so be it, we say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's done about the score, it's about getting out there and having fun again, playing scrambles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're actually doing an active standing therapy, and you didn't realise that you've done more for your body that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you've done it for your mind, body, and soul, but your body has actually been endless needed, because that can put you so quickly back in the hospital and other problems that come with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're expanding the lungs, you're expanding the lungs, you're expanding the lungs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the digestive system, you know, UTIs through act of standing because we're not meant to sit the whole day, let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that does hit us sometimes, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you say it saves lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me how it saves lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now, I have a program that's been running now for over 20 years, but let's say
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[SPEAKER_00]: names and stories where they came up to me and said, you know, you've actually, I was wanting to kill myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was wanting to kill myself and I ended up realizing that there is more to just life than sitting in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mentally, you have also the PTSD program that they don't even have any physical wounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a learn that what's golf managed to help them with amongst their brotherhood, they run the driving range together and they
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[SPEAKER_00]: then they got in play and the only thing they're worrying about is just get the damn ball in the hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what about licking their wounds the whole day and worrying about their UTIs and that's where golf is actually my program golf has come to me and realize don't stop it and that's why you know the first 100 units I was able to find myself through my own financial means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately that is bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Bernie Maddoff, those means were, oops, yeah, no from yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't cry with sport mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we managed to actually then, with the foundation, keep it at a certain momentum going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we've been, you know, limping along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the help of, and I have obviously some clientele, Mike, who you met the other day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was very generous and gave us over $10,000, because he stole the benefits that he, and he was fortunate enough to buy him his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually bought two, one for his house as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a fortunate successful businessman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he realized the benefits of what it did for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he donated $10,000 and those are typically some of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that money went to 100% of putting towards the new, another wheelchair that we put on a location for people to come in and have access to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the farthest psychological side, yes, that's where a lot of the problems start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had people that have started golf, they never were golfers, and they never dreamt of being a golfer, they hated the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see this golf, they just think it's like, actually, it's a good excuse to maybe go and have a drink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they, and they don't ever do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're before they were just drunk the whole day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they realized that they get a little bit of stuff because they need to try and hear the golf ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's some say after the second beer, they hit it better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's some, you know, if I can say certainly say things that are out there, but we've definitely been blessed that the game of golf is a very powerful tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, as a golf professional, I'm a United States teaches association, masters teaching professional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did that buckers, I've been involved in golf since I was five years old, I'm now 62.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a little break of five years to try and design something more adequate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'd never play golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought the machine would be used as a playing tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it would just be able to work around my clientele.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who will all healthy or missing a Lego missing norm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could have had a lot of those giving golf lessons to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then all of a sudden it became a tool for some of you to try and play and okay, well you can say I wasn't invited by Gary play and first Albert from Monaco
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[SPEAKER_00]: to go and play in their event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously you don't say no to that sort of in the tie invite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just had to find some batteries that would get me 18 holes because it was good enough to stand on a driving range, but no one ever thought about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we threw into German Tiger Tank batteries into the original one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I
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[SPEAKER_00]: they were the ones that actually ended up being a very successful part of the manufacturing was a dry cell gel battery and the good thing about that was we could actually fly around the wall with a resurgent in an airplane and because it was a wheelchair and FDA wheelchair was at no charge you know go ahead so it happened to be my golfing wheelchair but it was slow wheelchair you know and they intrigued me when you were talking about the metal part of LNPTSC
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike will say when he's involved in something he's had chronic pain in his back since since he was paralyzed three years ago and he will always tell me if I'm really involved in something I don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember it, it just it vanishes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somehow it takes second place It takes a backbench and I think through the active standings, it's not comfortable initially Eventually you just get so used to it and they're stretching the pulling and the the the the body you know the specificity that your body is
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people have a lot of bads but I have specificity as well and when you're doing active standing it's just somehow and let's say it's second second nature and you just swallow it as I can even live in your old told me to suck it up by the cup, it's a drunk
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really wasn't, you know, you've got the mothers and you've got the kids saying thank you, you gave me my daddy back off because my daddy now plays golf with me and and before I I was sitting at home waiting for him to finish to go and play golf and and that's not school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd say they're pretty emotional statements that you still still to the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just gotta remember that they don't hit me as hard or sometimes they do actually and you're farming both with tear-eyed, but it makes me keep going because it's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really isn't easy, especially with the funding, because without that it really is difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: only able to work in functional by getting donations, but you know we've parted with several good organizations, Gary's the niece foundation has helped me with my veterans and Robert Irvine has helped with some police or the police units, the tunnel to towers have really stepped up to the plate and they're also helping me with some of the funding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a matter of time that people realize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other good thing was, wasn't that long ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We parted to stand up and play a part and with the City of Salt Lake City Utah for their adaptive program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they helped us get, I think, three units there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the City of Colorado, in a Denver, in a Colorado, yeah, Denver, Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are being very actively used and they actually got back to me not too long ago and said, you know, we've got about 60% more players now through the wheelchair division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas before they had that seated golf cart, you might have known it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a single ride with a trouble seat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The things that they're just collected dust, they said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people came and tried it out and they didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're coming back because they have something that really is working well for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just being paralyzed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the strength in your legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the capability of, you know, you need somebody to really study, hold you steady and without any, without any sliding on these deeds and the belt cutting into you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been made by a paraplegic, a quadruplegic ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: even though it's incomplete now, so we've got quite a lot of people playing golf with specially designed grips that they just grab into their right hand because they're swing one arm, being with very with zero turn because of their injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got one arm golf is out there that are hitting the ball 225 yards, you know, yes, it's flexible
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people were always trying to hit two hands and they really do realize maybe I should it one end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to hit one arm the first eight, nine years and I still hit to this day if I was going to go play and I'd really just go play scramble for charity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I must be honest, I catch myself or getting to the golf course and end up teaching is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the advantages, and I took me eight years, nine years, to go for one or two ends, but that was from doing my stretching every day in the sandwich.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have to get there and then every day, you know, you have through your specificity, your muscles cramp and they get together and they pull like getting in out of the airplane, getting in out of the car, the bathroom, you end up always using these big lats, you know, from the side in your back muscle and those are the ones that gets tied to prevent you from rotating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he's golf, you know, it's a rotation with a 45 degree angle for it and to get maximum swing so you end up just using a lateral swing and that's the one arm and I've been doing this now for our gosh, we'll take off at least 27 years now, you know, so I know a trick or two shortcuts and did Mike show you how to get a gobble
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[SPEAKER_04]: We did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We were on site and I got up and I hit it maybe 10 yards, but I got it up in the air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, that's the start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The start is you want to try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, it's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably one of the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: awkward or tires and sports for a paraplegic to try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But once you get the technique and that's why I said, you know, I'm sure we'll meet up one day and we'll make it a little easier because it does take time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of golfers that I mean good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have thank goodness a handful around the country that are doing this and they still every down again and even though they've been doing it for my 10-12 years, they firm me up and say, can I put you on video and have a look and tell me what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's sometimes that I'm just a matter of just losing the belt because they thought that that belt was there to keep them upright, so they restricted their swing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are things I do, it's all trial and error at a stage, but you have to take you know one of the most difficult sports, it's like Formula 1 racing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not everybody does that, and it's one, I think that's the most difficult sport in the world, it's for me to embrace it, but golf, I put on the same level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a, um, obviously, the focus is on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quadriplegics paraplegics now way down the line though is do you think there's a market for just the aging population that we don't believe it I just got back from New York via a thousand no no four other five other states and I went to visit in a gentleman because I had another clientele that was just down the road in New York and the film is 95 years old
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I got there, he said, we're going to meet on the driving range, and there was a purchase in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a member there for 50 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a member for a true goal for 50 years, and seven years he couldn't play golfing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was because he had no more balance, no more strength than the legs, and he was crouched over like an L-shaped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I met him in Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went during the summer months, he goes to New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The gentleman, you know, he did, he didn't even use a steady frame to stand up, he just didn't have bells on, he just stood up in front of the machine and smacked that ball of 150 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now a video to prove it wasn't a fluke shot, he did one after the other after the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even only you could see he was a little bit wobbly, but he felt back into the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I can now, I've improved my balance, I've improved my posture, I've improved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't his therapist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was his caregivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They rolled their eyes at me when $30,000 a wheelchair, which, by the way, he's already donated back to the foundation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can use it as long as he needs it as soon as we didn't think he would last the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's two years, that he probably had to live us all that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 96.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was showing off how he can actually stand in front of the unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, it's going to help him and does help him get to the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does help him to get to and from the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he doesn't heat up himself because he probably will fall over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He bends down there for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a caddy and he says, I live for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I play a couple of holes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I go every day to the hits and balls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes to play 6,000 backgammon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, by the way, in 10 years ago, he won the World Championship in backgammon in Monte Carlo, finally enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his mind was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this machine is helping him get his body back into shape, because he loved the game of golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said to hit a golf, well, I have to stand up and initially we needed the belts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's since then taking the belts away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've got several clients like that now, they're the stroke survivors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, with the one side was down, they didn't trust themselves to get out of their wheelchair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were sitting in a whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the belt helped them and I used the first person knee belt, sorry, the knee belt, the chest belt and the waist belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you take the one off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I take the, um, I need the knee belt on and I keep the one waist belt on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And long story short, eventually they just got the waist belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and with the new model is what I made it wider because of that fact that I was using senior golfers that didn't have good balance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our people with Parkinson's and people with always the other one ALS, unfortunately, is also a big problem right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting a lot of ALS clientele trying it out and they love it because they love the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's also
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they all said to me in a good year and a half longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor's couldn't believe I long he lasted because of his love for the games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the machine which is the part of it was the tool that kept him able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I think we should be proud of and I might not be the best business but that's for sure and I really should have cut bit of lawyers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've provided a tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody standing and playing golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually this week there's a big
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's America and Europe, they're playing their own little radical, and we have active players in Max, Toggy's dollar, who should actually go and follow and Instagram, he shot five under part the US year open this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On his first round, he's not 20 year old, you know, 21 year old, and he's been playing three years now, he accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a complete paraplegic, and he's proving to the world that you can actually play a serious golf out of our machine He started with a guy who's 21 years old And he's 21 years old He's 21 years old You can't turn and you get to hit five on the power out of the goal on a golf course, that's extreme And he, you know, he, yes, we did donate him a chair
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[SPEAKER_00]: After he bought the Paragol for what I managed to help support him with that and I didn't know who he was as kid and Then he went and took part in the first US GA open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said you shoot level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you one and You shot two on the part on the first Anna.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you said can I get two?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, one's good enough Although we we're having his funds ring him He's playing for the American team this is the third this week in Arizona in in in in Arizona is
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have the rider cup, they have the disabled rider cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he will be top tenies, his game, and those not just for those people, but do really want to get out and play competitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's showing that it can be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think that's going to be the majority of the guys they, they're just going to get out and place them with their family, their friends, they love ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And have a beer and stay, stay wanting to live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's, that's the game of being outdoors and know you can still get outdoors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think mobility is the first challenge that people you take away that, then you've got too much time to think of other stupid things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's, that's an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to have these at every golf course in the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least every public golf course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because according to some rule in America, there's an ADA requirement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they go, some of them went and bought this sort of seeded golf course that nobody wants to use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get the right equipment, because by the way, we can actually provide for even for those guys who just need to, as you said, they can walk, they just can't walk far and they can't don't have stability, they can use ours as well, and being used like that at the moment, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the dream is to make it accessible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've got them on shooting ranges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like, we actually, we're making a slight smaller version right now that's to be used on driving ranges and indoor driving ranges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in major hospitals like Shirley Rider Valitis Lab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in shepherds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in Madonna Rehab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in Craig's hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Craig's hospital has been a tremendous supporter of standing therapy and golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have their programs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: blessed that the medical field have actually taken on this because they realize that especially amongst these young, there's so many young skiers with here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that in the last two years that have had accidents and they wanted to play golf so they're a big supporter of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd like to use that as much as I can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You look like you were really having a good time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm playing golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's just not available in many places, and it's expensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the good thing is, is that Anthony Neto, the inventor, is making veterans a priority as far as helping them get this kind of equipment, or at least use this kind of equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not necessarily own it, but at least make it available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like this is the thing with disabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the rest of life, it's unequal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those who have means get better treatment, they get better stuff, they get better equipment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's cash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cash, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Anthony's trying to make it a little more egalitarian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is certainly doing his best.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It also has an expensive game anyway.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've got to have money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hope for the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always open for these new inventions that are coming along.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm Mike Sugarman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm Janice Wright.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is I'm still rolling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just play a lot of golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll I remember being gone all day, great excuse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Roman Williams wants to try to explain the beginnings of golf from the Scotsman who invented it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's my idea for a f**k boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a ball in a go for a hole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you mean like, fool, fool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not with a straight stick, with a little f**k stick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I whack a ball and go in a go for a hoff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those beeps, that's something you don't want to hear in the family podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but there's more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I put the whole hundreds of yams away!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh!
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's big fellas!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's a good thing!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like a bowling thing!
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[SPEAKER_03]: No!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not straight, I put the- The way!
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[SPEAKER_03]: But please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, and please, please, and please, and please, and please, and please, please, and please, and please, and please,
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[SPEAKER_02]: after a successful business career and doing lots of other things athletic decided it was about time to take up golf in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he played a lot of golf for 13 years, but then radiation from a cancer that he had 40 years ago began to affect him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: went up on the range and hit golf balls for an hour, think I fell down three times, I came home so discouraged.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I basically told Judy, that's it, you know, I'm in golf this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it, but you know, it's not going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he found what South African Anthony
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you sit, you drive to wherever you want to go and then you push about and then you stand up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a game changer, both for golf and life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Mike Sugarman and I'm Janice Wright and this is I'm still rolling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is a special edition of Dream Stone Rowling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We went into the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, darling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went on location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't go into the field of my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the Sharon Hills golf club.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you'll understand why in a moment, but first let's get some business out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah the business about if you like this our podcast if you would like to leave a comment it can be negative if you want give us some tips you know tell us what we're doing wrong um in the little comments section that'd be good and then tell your friends about it tell a neighbor you know tell somebody
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[SPEAKER_01]: Passing on the street, we don't care a low bar, anyway, and yeah, that would really help because we're trying to get some important messages out here about Disabilities and maybe somebody would benefit from your comment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, now this is typically the part where we introduce ourselves, but this is the 34th time we've done this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think people who have followed this know who we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do we really have to do this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just do it really quick, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Together, we've been in the broadcast business news, radio and TV news for over a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, almost a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I was a hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And for a podcast that deals with disabilities and other troubles and people's lives, here's the real reason that we are qualified to do this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a paraplegic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And for those of you who have watched this 34 times, you know, he was from an operation on my Aorta, which was successful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But two days later in the ICU, I suffered a spinal cord stroke, and I became paralyzed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, enough about us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You need legs to play golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need, well, you have legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just don't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't work well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be able to stand up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but you don't have to with the varicat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was it like for you when you hit it for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very, very emotional experience, you know, I realized that I could, in fact, re-engage in the activity that I just loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was after almost a year and a half of basically giving it up knowing that the thinking I would never get to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How far would you like to see this technology go, as far as when what would be your dream for how many people could benefit from this young and old?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think, as technology, and it's both mechanical engineering and there will be AI that will end up in these cards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure at some point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it will just extend the life of, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: of many golfers, people that have passion for it, and then there are just abilities that have kept them from playing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Much like me, but I also get very excited about what it can do for wounded warriors, for example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People that haven't lived 80% of their life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: yet, you know, they've had 80% of their potential life in front of them taking away and so that's even more exciting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So do you play for some and just like a regular golf game?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have two sims for sims I play, I play skins game, you know, the wonderful thing about golf and that no pun intended, but it's designed for the handicap, right, and that makes me competitive, and I am a very competitive guy, I mean, I race cars and, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: play any game that anybody will bring around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So being able to play competitive golf, I mean, I'm not playing big tournaments anymore, but I'll play the Wednesday skin skin's game at the local club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at this point, I've still ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the reaction when you roll out on this on the golf course or do you get much reaction?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do and people I think I think it's inspiring for others to see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't, I'm not out there to inspire others, but, you know, they, they recognize that, where do you mean that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's somebody that's got a disability that's out there enjoying life, and so I think it's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike works with an exoskeleton that stands him up and we were working at the Veterans Administration in New York and he it's a big robot sort of thing and he when he walked around the VA the reaction from the wounded warriors there he would get applause.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking about inspiring people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah man go go do or not you are aspiring people yeah yeah yeah yeah so in that reaction you get any flaws out there no applause yet but I I have many many people come up and tell me how inspiring it is to see me out here when I was young and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was warned about getting bedcours and I'd seen many of my friends who were active tennis players, active basketball players, rugby players in wheelchairs and they all had these horrible bedcours and they came from their active sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if that's from being a healthy active wheelchair, you know athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why, um, what was the problem?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was getting people off of their butt, literally figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of nice, the way they take a fly-fishing rod and go on the side of the relate, um, keep in trap shooting was my initial idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to, you know, keep in trap in five stand and go from one location to the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't them to be pushed by anybody because that's something that we really have a problem with and accepting is wanting, you know, I need some help, you know, I need an adult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a learning phase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've learned to ask that to go about 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Mike has learned to ask so he's in a short period of time, congratulations Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really stubborn, you know, you got a lot of alphas out there, that's the reason we got into the trouble being, you know, in the spec ops or wherever we were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or just, you know, unfortunate with ideas and things like that, that put us in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the problems that we have is a mental problem, physical problem, but we still have to stand no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what way to do it better than having fun?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not therapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can go into the sweat room or the, you know, and pain is what weakness leaving the body is a Marine Corps motto.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it but you need to actually physically do that on a regular basis and we found and thank goodness we found it by luck that golf has a perfect way of doing that because you're standing an average of about 110, 120 times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, between sitting and standing and hitting the ball on the driving range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you don't need that many times, Zag, that means you hit the ball 120 times, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my, that's my handy cam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, if that's in so be it, we say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's done about the score, it's about getting out there and having fun again, playing scrambles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're actually doing an active standing therapy, and you didn't realise that you've done more for your body that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you've done it for your mind, body, and soul, but your body has actually been endless needed, because that can put you so quickly back in the hospital and other problems that come with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're expanding the lungs, you're expanding the lungs, you're expanding the lungs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the digestive system, you know, UTIs through act of standing because we're not meant to sit the whole day, let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that does hit us sometimes, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you say it saves lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me how it saves lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now, I have a program that's been running now for over 20 years, but let's say
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[SPEAKER_00]: names and stories where they came up to me and said, you know, you've actually, I was wanting to kill myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was wanting to kill myself and I ended up realizing that there is more to just life than sitting in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mentally, you have also the PTSD program that they don't even have any physical wounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a learn that what's golf managed to help them with amongst their brotherhood, they run the driving range together and they
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[SPEAKER_00]: then they got in play and the only thing they're worrying about is just get the damn ball in the hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what about licking their wounds the whole day and worrying about their UTIs and that's where golf is actually my program golf has come to me and realize don't stop it and that's why you know the first 100 units I was able to find myself through my own financial means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately that is bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Bernie Maddoff, those means were, oops, yeah, no from yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't cry with sport mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we managed to actually then, with the foundation, keep it at a certain momentum going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we've been, you know, limping along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the help of, and I have obviously some clientele, Mike, who you met the other day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was very generous and gave us over $10,000, because he stole the benefits that he, and he was fortunate enough to buy him his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually bought two, one for his house as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a fortunate successful businessman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he realized the benefits of what it did for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he donated $10,000 and those are typically some of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that money went to 100% of putting towards the new, another wheelchair that we put on a location for people to come in and have access to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the farthest psychological side, yes, that's where a lot of the problems start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had people that have started golf, they never were golfers, and they never dreamt of being a golfer, they hated the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see this golf, they just think it's like, actually, it's a good excuse to maybe go and have a drink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they, and they don't ever do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're before they were just drunk the whole day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they realized that they get a little bit of stuff because they need to try and hear the golf ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's some say after the second beer, they hit it better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's some, you know, if I can say certainly say things that are out there, but we've definitely been blessed that the game of golf is a very powerful tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, as a golf professional, I'm a United States teaches association, masters teaching professional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did that buckers, I've been involved in golf since I was five years old, I'm now 62.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a little break of five years to try and design something more adequate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'd never play golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought the machine would be used as a playing tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it would just be able to work around my clientele.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who will all healthy or missing a Lego missing norm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could have had a lot of those giving golf lessons to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then all of a sudden it became a tool for some of you to try and play and okay, well you can say I wasn't invited by Gary play and first Albert from Monaco
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[SPEAKER_00]: to go and play in their event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously you don't say no to that sort of in the tie invite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just had to find some batteries that would get me 18 holes because it was good enough to stand on a driving range, but no one ever thought about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we threw into German Tiger Tank batteries into the original one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I
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[SPEAKER_00]: they were the ones that actually ended up being a very successful part of the manufacturing was a dry cell gel battery and the good thing about that was we could actually fly around the wall with a resurgent in an airplane and because it was a wheelchair and FDA wheelchair was at no charge you know go ahead so it happened to be my golfing wheelchair but it was slow wheelchair you know and they intrigued me when you were talking about the metal part of LNPTSC
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike will say when he's involved in something he's had chronic pain in his back since since he was paralyzed three years ago and he will always tell me if I'm really involved in something I don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember it, it just it vanishes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somehow it takes second place It takes a backbench and I think through the active standings, it's not comfortable initially Eventually you just get so used to it and they're stretching the pulling and the the the the body you know the specificity that your body is
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people have a lot of bads but I have specificity as well and when you're doing active standing it's just somehow and let's say it's second second nature and you just swallow it as I can even live in your old told me to suck it up by the cup, it's a drunk
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really wasn't, you know, you've got the mothers and you've got the kids saying thank you, you gave me my daddy back off because my daddy now plays golf with me and and before I I was sitting at home waiting for him to finish to go and play golf and and that's not school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd say they're pretty emotional statements that you still still to the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just gotta remember that they don't hit me as hard or sometimes they do actually and you're farming both with tear-eyed, but it makes me keep going because it's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really isn't easy, especially with the funding, because without that it really is difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: only able to work in functional by getting donations, but you know we've parted with several good organizations, Gary's the niece foundation has helped me with my veterans and Robert Irvine has helped with some police or the police units, the tunnel to towers have really stepped up to the plate and they're also helping me with some of the funding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a matter of time that people realize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other good thing was, wasn't that long ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We parted to stand up and play a part and with the City of Salt Lake City Utah for their adaptive program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they helped us get, I think, three units there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the City of Colorado, in a Denver, in a Colorado, yeah, Denver, Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are being very actively used and they actually got back to me not too long ago and said, you know, we've got about 60% more players now through the wheelchair division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas before they had that seated golf cart, you might have known it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a single ride with a trouble seat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The things that they're just collected dust, they said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people came and tried it out and they didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're coming back because they have something that really is working well for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just being paralyzed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the strength in your legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the capability of, you know, you need somebody to really study, hold you steady and without any, without any sliding on these deeds and the belt cutting into you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been made by a paraplegic, a quadruplegic ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: even though it's incomplete now, so we've got quite a lot of people playing golf with specially designed grips that they just grab into their right hand because they're swing one arm, being with very with zero turn because of their injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got one arm golf is out there that are hitting the ball 225 yards, you know, yes, it's flexible
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people were always trying to hit two hands and they really do realize maybe I should it one end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to hit one arm the first eight, nine years and I still hit to this day if I was going to go play and I'd really just go play scramble for charity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I must be honest, I catch myself or getting to the golf course and end up teaching is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the advantages, and I took me eight years, nine years, to go for one or two ends, but that was from doing my stretching every day in the sandwich.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have to get there and then every day, you know, you have through your specificity, your muscles cramp and they get together and they pull like getting in out of the airplane, getting in out of the car, the bathroom, you end up always using these big lats, you know, from the side in your back muscle and those are the ones that gets tied to prevent you from rotating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he's golf, you know, it's a rotation with a 45 degree angle for it and to get maximum swing so you end up just using a lateral swing and that's the one arm and I've been doing this now for our gosh, we'll take off at least 27 years now, you know, so I know a trick or two shortcuts and did Mike show you how to get a gobble
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[SPEAKER_04]: We did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We were on site and I got up and I hit it maybe 10 yards, but I got it up in the air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, that's the start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The start is you want to try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, it's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably one of the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: awkward or tires and sports for a paraplegic to try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But once you get the technique and that's why I said, you know, I'm sure we'll meet up one day and we'll make it a little easier because it does take time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of golfers that I mean good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have thank goodness a handful around the country that are doing this and they still every down again and even though they've been doing it for my 10-12 years, they firm me up and say, can I put you on video and have a look and tell me what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's sometimes that I'm just a matter of just losing the belt because they thought that that belt was there to keep them upright, so they restricted their swing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are things I do, it's all trial and error at a stage, but you have to take you know one of the most difficult sports, it's like Formula 1 racing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not everybody does that, and it's one, I think that's the most difficult sport in the world, it's for me to embrace it, but golf, I put on the same level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a, um, obviously, the focus is on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quadriplegics paraplegics now way down the line though is do you think there's a market for just the aging population that we don't believe it I just got back from New York via a thousand no no four other five other states and I went to visit in a gentleman because I had another clientele that was just down the road in New York and the film is 95 years old
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I got there, he said, we're going to meet on the driving range, and there was a purchase in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a member there for 50 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a member for a true goal for 50 years, and seven years he couldn't play golfing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was because he had no more balance, no more strength than the legs, and he was crouched over like an L-shaped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I met him in Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went during the summer months, he goes to New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The gentleman, you know, he did, he didn't even use a steady frame to stand up, he just didn't have bells on, he just stood up in front of the machine and smacked that ball of 150 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now a video to prove it wasn't a fluke shot, he did one after the other after the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even only you could see he was a little bit wobbly, but he felt back into the chair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I can now, I've improved my balance, I've improved my posture, I've improved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't his therapist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was his caregivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They rolled their eyes at me when $30,000 a wheelchair, which, by the way, he's already donated back to the foundation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can use it as long as he needs it as soon as we didn't think he would last the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's two years, that he probably had to live us all that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 96.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was showing off how he can actually stand in front of the unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, it's going to help him and does help him get to the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does help him to get to and from the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he doesn't heat up himself because he probably will fall over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He bends down there for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a caddy and he says, I live for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I play a couple of holes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I go every day to the hits and balls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes to play 6,000 backgammon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, by the way, in 10 years ago, he won the World Championship in backgammon in Monte Carlo, finally enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his mind was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this machine is helping him get his body back into shape, because he loved the game of golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said to hit a golf, well, I have to stand up and initially we needed the belts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's since then taking the belts away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've got several clients like that now, they're the stroke survivors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, with the one side was down, they didn't trust themselves to get out of their wheelchair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were sitting in a whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the belt helped them and I used the first person knee belt, sorry, the knee belt, the chest belt and the waist belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you take the one off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I take the, um, I need the knee belt on and I keep the one waist belt on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And long story short, eventually they just got the waist belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and with the new model is what I made it wider because of that fact that I was using senior golfers that didn't have good balance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our people with Parkinson's and people with always the other one ALS, unfortunately, is also a big problem right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting a lot of ALS clientele trying it out and they love it because they love the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's also
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they all said to me in a good year and a half longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor's couldn't believe I long he lasted because of his love for the games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the machine which is the part of it was the tool that kept him able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I think we should be proud of and I might not be the best business but that's for sure and I really should have cut bit of lawyers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've provided a tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody standing and playing golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually this week there's a big
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's America and Europe, they're playing their own little radical, and we have active players in Max, Toggy's dollar, who should actually go and follow and Instagram, he shot five under part the US year open this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On his first round, he's not 20 year old, you know, 21 year old, and he's been playing three years now, he accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a complete paraplegic, and he's proving to the world that you can actually play a serious golf out of our machine He started with a guy who's 21 years old And he's 21 years old He's 21 years old You can't turn and you get to hit five on the power out of the goal on a golf course, that's extreme And he, you know, he, yes, we did donate him a chair
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[SPEAKER_00]: After he bought the Paragol for what I managed to help support him with that and I didn't know who he was as kid and Then he went and took part in the first US GA open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said you shoot level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you one and You shot two on the part on the first Anna.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you said can I get two?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, one's good enough Although we we're having his funds ring him He's playing for the American team this is the third this week in Arizona in in in in Arizona is
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have the rider cup, they have the disabled rider cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he will be top tenies, his game, and those not just for those people, but do really want to get out and play competitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's showing that it can be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think that's going to be the majority of the guys they, they're just going to get out and place them with their family, their friends, they love ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And have a beer and stay, stay wanting to live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's, that's the game of being outdoors and know you can still get outdoors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think mobility is the first challenge that people you take away that, then you've got too much time to think of other stupid things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's, that's an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to have these at every golf course in the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least every public golf course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because according to some rule in America, there's an ADA requirement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they go, some of them went and bought this sort of seeded golf course that nobody wants to use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get the right equipment, because by the way, we can actually provide for even for those guys who just need to, as you said, they can walk, they just can't walk far and they can't don't have stability, they can use ours as well, and being used like that at the moment, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the dream is to make it accessible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've got them on shooting ranges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like, we actually, we're making a slight smaller version right now that's to be used on driving ranges and indoor driving ranges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in major hospitals like Shirley Rider Valitis Lab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in shepherds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in Madonna Rehab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in Craig's hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Craig's hospital has been a tremendous supporter of standing therapy and golf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have their programs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: blessed that the medical field have actually taken on this because they realize that especially amongst these young, there's so many young skiers with here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that in the last two years that have had accidents and they wanted to play golf so they're a big supporter of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd like to use that as much as I can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You look like you were really having a good time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm playing golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's just not available in many places, and it's expensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the good thing is, is that Anthony Neto, the inventor, is making veterans a priority as far as helping them get this kind of equipment, or at least use this kind of equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not necessarily own it, but at least make it available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like this is the thing with disabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the rest of life, it's unequal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those who have means get better treatment, they get better stuff, they get better equipment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's cash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cash, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Anthony's trying to make it a little more egalitarian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is certainly doing his best.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It also has an expensive game anyway.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've got to have money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hope for the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always open for these new inventions that are coming along.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm Mike Sugarman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm Janice Wright.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is I'm still rolling.
