النص الكامل لحلقة 2039 St Augustine Lighthouse and Fox Hollow Farm

00:04:26.939 And she's got interviews that she's done with the current owners. 79 00:04:27.019 --> 00:04:31.220 And if you're unfamiliar with this case, it's one that 80 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.930 it's true crime mixed with paranormal. It's pretty awesome. It's 81 00:04:35.939 --> 00:04:38.790 kind of like the Lizzie Borden deal, except this was 82 00:04:38.970 --> 00:04:40.990 a lot more recent. This guy was a serial killer 83 00:04:41.009 --> 00:04:45.189 in Indiana back in the late 80s, early 90s, and 84 00:04:46.149 --> 00:04:48.529 found all kinds of bones and stuff on his property. 85 00:04:48.610 --> 00:04:50.750 And so they're still trying to tie this guy to stuff, 86 00:04:50.810 --> 00:04:52.670 even though he was never brought to trial. But we'll 87 00:04:52.689 --> 00:04:55.230 get into full details when we get into that part 88 00:04:55.250 --> 00:04:58.060 of the show. We're going to start off tonight's episode 89 00:04:58.180 --> 00:05:01.180 with one of the most haunted, if not the most 90 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:04.360 haunted lighthouse in the United States. the St. Augustine Lighthouse. 91 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:05.240 Sounds great. 92 00:05:05.779 --> 00:05:08.540 Before we get into that, you probably heard the commercial 93 00:05:08.939 --> 00:05:13.379 with Justin and Shane Waters and myself. I had to 94 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:14.920 tell you a little bit about that commercial first. So 95 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:16.560 we decided we were going to do something and we 96 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.279 had everybody send in their individual parts. So I wrote 97 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:21.819 up a little script and I gave it to everybody 98 00:05:21.850 --> 00:05:23.449 and said, hey, record this and send it to me. 99 00:05:23.500 --> 00:05:25.569 So we weren't obviously in the same room doing it 100 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:27.589 or on the phone or anything doing it at the 101 00:05:27.629 --> 00:05:29.569 same time. So they left it up to me to 102 00:05:29.589 --> 00:05:31.509 put it together. And then when I listened to everybody, 103 00:05:31.689 --> 00:05:36.740 Shane's intro was so serious that I wrote Justin Rumble 104 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:38.899 and I said, hey, I got a couple other lines 105 00:05:38.939 --> 00:05:40.939 for you to do real quick. So we kind of 106 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:42.939 surprised Shane because the day that we put this together, 107 00:05:42.980 --> 00:05:44.079 the next day was his birthday. 108 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:44.500 Yeah. 109 00:05:44.810 --> 00:05:47.149 So we thought it would be funny to make fun 110 00:05:47.170 --> 00:05:49.209 of how serious he was without him having a clue. 111 00:05:49.750 --> 00:05:51.930 So then we sent out the, didn't tell him any difference, 112 00:05:51.949 --> 00:05:53.269 we sent out the commercial to him and we didn't 113 00:05:53.329 --> 00:05:56.060 say anything about us making changes to it and we 114 00:05:56.100 --> 00:05:58.149 just waited till he responded. But I thought it was 115 00:05:58.170 --> 00:06:00.310 kind of funny. So we added all this stuff about 116 00:06:00.329 --> 00:06:06.300 him being serious and Justin's part about basically being serious 117 00:06:06.339 --> 00:06:08.639 because of being on Nancy Grace and stuff like that. 118 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:09.720 So I just thought it was funny. 119 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:10.899 It was fun. 120 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.360 Anyways, the whole point of that is we have a 121 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:16.139 live event. It's in Indy. Most of you already know that. 122 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:19.189 It's the 28th of July. But, and this is a 123 00:06:19.259 --> 00:06:22.810 very big but, if you have bought tickets already, we 124 00:06:22.970 --> 00:06:26.970 changed the venue on this. So it is no longer 125 00:06:27.350 --> 00:06:30.819 going to be at Wave One Studios due to some 126 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.500 problems that were out of our control, some change of, 127 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.319 I guess you could say, employees and stuff like that. 128 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.579 Things just got kind of, we thought a little bit 129 00:06:39.620 --> 00:06:41.410 screwed up, and we decided to move it to a 130 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.730 different venue, but it's going to work out better for 131 00:06:43.790 --> 00:06:47.589 all of you. Here's the positives. It's going to be 132 00:06:47.610 --> 00:06:50.629 at Scotty's Brewhouse on the south side, and the address 133 00:06:50.649 --> 00:06:52.910 is on there, but it's on the south side of Indianapolis. 134 00:06:53.540 --> 00:06:56.500 This place is cool. They've got awesome food. They've got 135 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:01.079 craft beers. They've got a back room that they've graciously 136 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.000 given us to use for this event. The negative is 137 00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:08.100 we don't have as many seats there. So there's about 138 00:07:08.100 --> 00:07:11.180 26 seats left. So if you haven't bought your tickets yet, 139 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:12.500 you want to go ahead and jump on it and 140 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:14.759 buy it. They're only $ 10. You get all three shows. 141 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.500 And like the commercial said, it's just going to be 142 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.519 a big hangout with all of us. So it'll be fun. 143 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.639 That's the only negative to the whole part. It's going 144 00:07:23.660 --> 00:07:24.920 to be a lot more fun, and the food's going 145 00:07:24.939 --> 00:07:26.160 to be better, drinks are going to be better, because 146 00:07:26.180 --> 00:07:28.720 the other place didn't have any foods or drinks. We 147 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.310 were basically going to have some coolers and some drinks 148 00:07:31.379 --> 00:07:33.879 and some popcorn, and that's what you were going to get. 149 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.110 So this is going to be 10 times better. But 150 00:07:37.230 -->

00:07:39.170 everything else is exactly the same, so I just wanted 151 00:07:39.189 --> 00:07:41.230 to let you know that if you do have tickets, 152 00:07:41.329 --> 00:07:43.230 that the venue did change, but it's for the better. 153 00:07:43.730 --> 00:07:44.129 Great. 154 00:07:45.329 --> 00:07:48.649 Also, before we get too far out, we also have 155 00:07:48.709 --> 00:07:52.769 the event... In Nashville, October 20th, Halloween season, can't get 156 00:07:52.810 --> 00:07:57.920 any better than that. Graveyard Tales, our show, Macabre Melts, 157 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:59.839 who makes our candles, and I think they're making some 158 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:04.180 for Graveyard Tales as well for that event. EVP Mediums 159 00:08:04.379 --> 00:08:07.199 out of Ohio are going to be there. They're going 160 00:08:07.230 --> 00:08:10.089 to tell us some of the stories that they've encountered 161 00:08:10.110 --> 00:08:12.910 during some of their, I guess, sessions at houses and 162 00:08:12.930 --> 00:08:15.930 paranormal investigating. So it's going to be a really cool show. 163 00:08:15.949 --> 00:08:19.350 So you're going to get nothing but paranormal that night. 164 00:08:20.149 --> 00:08:22.790 And the best of all, it's a place called Hale Aesthetics. 165 00:08:22.910 --> 00:08:26.110 Most people know that as Hale Nashville. This place is freaky. 166 00:08:26.810 --> 00:08:31.970 It literally is like a museum of the weird, the macabre. 167 00:08:32.429 --> 00:08:38.500 Everything in that place is skulls, animals in jars. They've got, 168 00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:43.259 you know, skeletons of stuff. They've got books on the occult. 169 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.539 It is just a really cool place. So you can 170 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.899 look up Hale Aesthetics. On the Google, that Google thing. 171 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:53.059 And look at that up. And I think you'll be 172 00:08:53.139 --> 00:08:54.720 very impressed with this place. So we get to do 173 00:08:54.779 --> 00:08:58.830 this show inside. They're clearing off stuff in their showroom 174 00:08:59.330 --> 00:09:01.230 to make room to do this show in there. Oh, man. 175 00:09:01.269 --> 00:09:02.169 That's going to be fun. 176 00:09:02.269 --> 00:09:02.450 Yeah. 177 00:09:02.710 --> 00:09:06.389 Very cool. So that's also $ 10. Mm-hmm. And both of 178 00:09:06.409 --> 00:09:09.409 those are up for sale. If you go to eventbrite.com 179 00:09:09.710 --> 00:09:12.059 and just pull up, search Hillbilly Horror Stories, you can 180 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:12.879 see both of those shows. 181 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:13.519 Oh, cool. 182 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.740 Or go to all of our social media, and we've 183 00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:17.460 all posted it. 184 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:18.000 Mm-hmm. 185 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:19.279 There you go. What do you think? 186 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.019 I can't wait to see what all they have in 187 00:09:21.059 --> 00:09:21.519 that place. 188 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:22.440 It's cool. 189 00:09:22.659 --> 00:09:22.879 Yeah. 190 00:09:22.899 --> 00:09:25.710 It's just a bunch of cool stuff. I mean, it's like, 191 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.649 you know, like the scene where in Psycho, where the 192 00:09:29.690 --> 00:09:35.169 guy walks in to sign for his room, and it's 193 00:09:35.210 --> 00:09:37.509 like the lobby's full of all the stuffed crows. 194 00:09:37.649 --> 00:09:38.549 Oh, yeah, right. 195 00:09:38.649 --> 00:09:40.110 It's got that kind of feel to it. 196 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.679 Oh, cool, man. 197 00:09:41.179 --> 00:09:43.919 It couldn't be a better place for something like we're 198 00:09:43.940 --> 00:09:44.179 going to do. 199 00:09:44.179 --> 00:09:45.779 We have to get us something creepy and bring home. 200 00:09:46.370 --> 00:09:48.330 That definitely reminds me of my younger days. I used 201 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:51.460 to bring creepy stuff home all the time. So first 202 00:09:51.500 --> 00:09:53.440 and foremost, we want to give a big thank you 203 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.870 to all of our military and civil servants all over 204 00:09:55.899 --> 00:09:59.370 the world, no matter which country you are serving. Thank 205 00:09:59.389 --> 00:09:59.990 you so much for all you do. 206 00:10:00.070 --> 00:10:00.139 Do. 207 00:10:00.169 --> 00:10:02.590 God bless you. God bless you all. Praying for you 208 00:10:02.649 --> 00:10:03.049 every day. 209 00:10:03.070 --> 00:10:08.549 I had a rough week. Actually lost two high school 210 00:10:08.629 --> 00:10:12.789 friends to suicide. So this is a little closer to 211 00:10:12.850 --> 00:10:17.429 home than normal weeks, even though it seems to always 212 00:10:17.490 --> 00:10:20.909 be out there. It's so prevalent these days. So I 213 00:10:20.909 --> 00:10:23.480 want to make sure we mention, you guys, if you 214 00:10:23.509 --> 00:10:27.179 need somebody to talk to, find somebody. There is always 215 00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:28.740 somebody willing to talk to you. And if you don't 216 00:10:28.820 --> 00:10:35.700 know anybody, use the suicide prevention line, 1-800-273-8255. I don't 217 00:10:35.740 --> 00:10:38.659 have the number written down here, but if you're a 218 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.320 person that would rather text, just Google the text line 219 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.000 for the same thing. And we'll have that on weeks 220 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.929 going forward. We'll have that number out there. But, you know, 221 00:10:48.350 --> 00:10:51.519 there's always somebody who, is willing to help you if 222 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.860 you just give them an opportunity. And, um, like I said, 223 00:10:54.899 --> 00:10:57.080 we were more than happy to help you send us 224 00:10:57.139 --> 00:11:00.360 a message, give us a call, uh, write us an email, 225 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.519 whatever you need to do. Doesn't matter what time of 226 00:11:03.580 --> 00:11:06.679 day or night it is.

Trust me. If somebody knows 227 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:09.379 that you're on the verge of doing something like that, 228 00:11:09.950 --> 00:11:12.250 they will make time for you, whether you think they 229 00:11:12.259 --> 00:11:12.750 will or not. 230 00:11:12.889 --> 00:11:15.450 Yeah, absolutely. We love y'all. 231 00:11:16.509 --> 00:11:19.850 All right. Let's, uh, let's go into our iTunes reviews. 232 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.220 We had a butt-ton. Butt-ton. Get it? 233 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:26.980 Butt-ton. That's not a unit of measurement. Not even in 234 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:30.120 the metric system, it's not. Tracy, if you'd be so kind, 235 00:11:30.139 --> 00:11:32.090 go ahead and read off the iTunes reviews, please. 236 00:11:33.629 --> 00:11:46.129 Rose Quinzel, TheBigFish54, Maybe Tomorrow, Gaming Unicycle Style, JimmyS87, RoloLikesFun, 237 00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:50.409 Chris Sloan, Harley Davidson, And I'm just going to spell 238 00:11:50.429 --> 00:11:52.809 this because I'm not sure how to pronounce it. So 239 00:11:52.870 --> 00:12:01.460 it's M-I-K-E-L-I-A-R-A-E. Thank you guys so much for your iTunes reviews. 240 00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:04.440 They have been so awesome. And we appreciate it. Keep 241 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:07.980 it coming. And we have our Patreons for this week. 242 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:15.049 Tina Constant, Kathy Madison, Chuck Berry, and Claire Coomer. We 243 00:12:15.070 --> 00:12:18.919 appreciate you guys so much. When you guys get time, 244 00:12:18.980 --> 00:12:20.919 if you'd like to also go check out our new 245 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:26.350 shirt design, we have. We were so gracious to have. 246 00:12:26.370 --> 00:12:27.629 Rob Mulhorain. 247 00:12:27.809 --> 00:12:28.090 Yes. 248 00:12:29.429 --> 00:12:31.620 Paint that for us. And I still can't get over it. 249 00:12:31.690 --> 00:12:35.769 So we are putting them on T-shirts. And so far, 250 00:12:35.830 --> 00:12:37.549 so good. It's been a big hit already. 251 00:12:37.649 --> 00:12:40.129 Yeah, we've already had some ordered today. I think they 252 00:12:40.149 --> 00:12:41.570 were members of Rob's family, though. 253 00:12:41.929 --> 00:12:42.429 Oh, man. 254 00:12:42.450 --> 00:12:44.870 They are so awesome. And we just love that picture 255 00:12:44.909 --> 00:12:45.389 so much. 256 00:12:45.470 --> 00:12:45.649 So. 257 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.299 We're going to start putting them on some T-shirts, and 258 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.440 we can't thank Rob enough for doing that for us. 259 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:52.419 Yeah, if you hear this and you go straight to 260 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.860 the website, they're available in white, and then you can 261 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:58.019 get them on mugs and phone cases and stuff like that. 262 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.009 But if you give it a couple of days, I'll 263 00:13:01.070 --> 00:13:02.549 have it so you can get it on pretty much 264 00:13:02.629 --> 00:13:03.509 any color

that you would want. 265 00:13:03.529 --> 00:13:06.769 Oh, man, it looks so good on pink and teal, 266 00:13:06.850 --> 00:13:09.090 and it looks great on black. It just looks good, period. 267 00:13:09.129 --> 00:13:10.190 It just goes with everything. 268 00:13:10.210 --> 00:13:11.889 Yeah, I'm just working on the file so I can 269 00:13:11.909 --> 00:13:13.870 put it on colors on that site. 270 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:15.110 Yeah, so exciting. 271 00:13:15.789 --> 00:13:17.860 All right, so are we ready to jump into the St. 272 00:13:17.909 --> 00:13:18.789 Augustine lighthouse? 273 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:19.629 I am ready, babe. 274 00:13:20.629 --> 00:13:25.200 Well, St. Augustine is known as the oldest city in 275 00:13:25.220 --> 00:13:28.980 the United States. And that says a lot because there's 276 00:13:29.019 --> 00:13:29.580 a lot of cities. 277 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:30.340 It sure is. 278 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.759 So it would make sense, obviously, that if it's one 279 00:13:34.019 --> 00:13:38.220 of the oldest cities, that it would be also the 280 00:13:38.259 --> 00:13:38.759 most haunted. 281 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:40.659 Well, that does make sense. 282 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.100 So when people think of haunted St. Augustine, one particular place, 283 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:47.080 Location kind of usually stands out and comes to mind, 284 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.960 and that is the St. Augustine Lighthouse. Jason Halls, you 285 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.600 all know him from Taps and Ghost Hunters, he called 286 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:57.080 it the Mona Lisa of paranormal sights. Whoa. And I 287 00:13:57.100 --> 00:13:58.720 think it's because it's got a crooked smile, but I'm 288 00:13:58.740 --> 00:13:59.320 not sure. 289 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:00.879 You think that's the reason? 290 00:14:00.940 --> 00:14:04.250 You might not have anything to do with it. I 291 00:14:04.269 --> 00:14:07.169 think it's because its eyes follow you when you go from. 292 00:14:07.309 --> 00:14:07.950 That would be cool. 293 00:14:08.210 --> 00:14:10.309 So let's look at some history of how this lighthouse 294 00:14:10.350 --> 00:14:15.429 came to be. This lighthouse was built in 1974, and 295 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:21.149 it's the oldest brick structure in St. Augustine. The lighthouse, 296 00:14:21.990 --> 00:14:24.769 as you see it now, though, wasn't the first lighthouse 297 00:14:24.789 --> 00:14:28.710 that was on this property. There's been a structure of 298 00:14:28.789 --> 00:14:31.250 some sort going all the way back to the 1500s 299 00:14:31.490 --> 00:14:35.669 to help guide ships in from the Atlantic Ocean. So 300 00:14:35.690 --> 00:14:37.389 the first was made of wood, and it was about 301 00:14:37.389 --> 00:14:40.889 40 feet tall. It had an old-fashioned lamp and a 302 00:14:41.149 --> 00:14:43.690 bunch of different flags hanging off of it to kind 303 00:14:43.710 --> 00:14:46.220 of draw attention to it. It was believed

to be 304 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:49.159 constructed by the Spanish when they came over to the area. 305 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:54.700 And in 1586, Sir Francis Drake attacked the area, and 306 00:14:54.740 --> 00:14:57.620 the original lighthouse caught fire and burned down. 307 00:14:58.139 --> 00:14:58.240 Aw. 308 00:14:59.580 --> 00:15:01.860 The Spanish still needed some kind of lighthouse there, so 309 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.659 they built a newer, more modern one. I guess as 310 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:06.259 modern as you could be for the 1600s. 311 00:15:06.259 --> 00:15:06.419 Yeah. 312 00:15:07.570 --> 00:15:10.059 It was still made of wood, though, and it served 313 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:13.159 its purpose. But the residents there kind of felt like 314 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.559 that they needed something a little more stable. 315 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:15.919 Yeah. 316 00:15:15.940 --> 00:15:18.700 It's not going to last forever. So in the 1700s, 317 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:21.519 a new tower was built using, I think this is 318 00:15:21.610 --> 00:15:27.129 called Coquina, or it might be Coquina. Anyways, it's a 319 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:31.210 building material that's made of small shell fragments. I guess 320 00:15:31.230 --> 00:15:33.129 it would make sense, since you're right there on the ocean, 321 00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:35.289 you would have a lot of small shells that I 322 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:36.539 guess they grinded up and made. 323 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:37.419 Oh, that's cool. 324 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.620 Whatever this product is. So this was just a little 325 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.740 north of the second wooden tower, the one that was 326 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:47.279 built after the first one burnt down. In 1763, the 327 00:15:47.470 --> 00:15:50.690 British invaded, and they took possession of the tower. And 328 00:15:50.809 --> 00:15:53.029 they added a little more height to it and added 329 00:15:53.070 --> 00:15:57.889 a cannon system up on top for basically protection. So 330 00:15:57.929 --> 00:16:00.389 if they seen any dangerous ships or anything coming in, 331 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:02.169 they could shoot them down with the cannon. 332 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:03.570 How in the heck do you get a cannon all 333 00:16:03.590 --> 00:16:06.090 the way up there? Is that what you just said? 334 00:16:06.129 --> 00:16:06.230 Yeah. 335 00:16:06.549 --> 00:16:08.429 Well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe they assembled it 336 00:16:08.490 --> 00:16:08.769 up there. 337 00:16:09.389 --> 00:16:11.169 Oh, that makes sense, but man. 338 00:16:12.309 --> 00:16:15.730 In 1821, the United States took possession of the state 339 00:16:15.750 --> 00:16:19.330 of Florida and the lighthouse. The U.S., I like the structure, 340 00:16:19.409 --> 00:16:22.129 but they wanted to make a few changes. So they 341 00:16:22.169 --> 00:16:27.429 hired its first ever light keeper. His name, now this 342 00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:29.809 is going to be a little tricky because everything I've 343 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:35.110 ever seen listed his name as Joseph Andrau. I think 344 00:16:35.149 --> 00:16:39.799 that's his name, A-N-D R-E-U. It could be Andrew. Joseph Andrew. 345 00:16:40.299 --> 00:16:44.759 But there were a couple of sites that listed his 346 00:16:44.850 --> 00:16:49.750 name as Juan Antonio Andrew. So I don't know if 347 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:51.730 his name is Joseph or Juan, so I'll give you 348 00:16:51.750 --> 00:16:55.850 both names. Juan knows these things, but I don't know it. 349 00:16:57.769 --> 00:17:02.090 He took the job very seriously. In 1859, unfortunately, he 350 00:17:02.149 --> 00:17:05.049 fell to his death while painting the outside of the lighthouse. 351 00:17:05.069 --> 00:17:05.670 Oh, man. 352 00:17:06.910 --> 00:17:11.700 Now, that lighthouse eventually eroded and fell into the ocean 353 00:17:11.740 --> 00:17:12.039 in 1880. 354 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:12.240 Wow. 355 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:16.599 They didn't build it as sturdy as they thought. 356 00:17:17.099 --> 00:17:19.740 Well, I mean, it was sturdy, I guess. But you've 357 00:17:19.779 --> 00:17:23.200 got to realize, out on the ocean right there, all 358 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:25.319 that salt and stuff, it just does a lot of 359 00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:26.220 damage to stuff. 360 00:17:26.259 --> 00:17:27.059 That's very true. 361 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.660 So construction on the current lighthouse started in 1871. It 362 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:36.200 was completed October 15, 1874. And then they built a house, 363 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.019 a really nice house for the keepers. And that was 364 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.490 built about two years later. Now a man by the 365 00:17:43.529 --> 00:17:51.210 name of, I'm going to butcher this, Hezekiah Pitty was 366 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:54.539 hired to oversee the construction. And Mr. Pitty allowed his 367 00:17:54.619 --> 00:17:57.240 children that were there. Then obviously he's got young kids. 368 00:17:57.259 --> 00:18:00.119 He's got four of them. They were bored. There's not 369 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:01.880 a whole lot you could do. They didn't have, you know, 370 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:05.930 game systems or none of that back in, the 1870s. 371 00:18:06.609 --> 00:18:08.509 So they were playing on the supply cart, and the 372 00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:12.710 supply cart would go back and forth from the tower, 373 00:18:12.930 --> 00:18:16.529 where it was constructing the lighthouse, down to the ocean, 374 00:18:16.769 --> 00:18:18.829 back and forth. I guess what would happen is ships 375 00:18:18.849 --> 00:18:21.279 would pull in, they would load up these carts, and 376 00:18:21.299 --> 00:18:23.960 then go from the ship up to the lighthouse. So 377 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.779 it had a rail system set up. On July 10, 1873, 378 00:18:27.779 --> 00:18:33.759 tragedy struck. His two oldest children,

daughter Eliza and daughter Mary... 379 00:18:34.660 --> 00:18:39.109 drown when the cart rode down the track that hit 380 00:18:39.130 --> 00:18:43.250 the water and tipped over. It's supposed to have some 381 00:18:43.329 --> 00:18:46.130 brakes there that would stop it. But when it hit 382 00:18:46.170 --> 00:18:48.230 that break, it caused it to tump over. 383 00:18:48.829 --> 00:18:50.410 So they were both riding in it. 384 00:18:50.490 --> 00:18:52.170 They were playing in it. That's what he allowed them 385 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:54.589 to do is be able to play, um, back on 386 00:18:54.609 --> 00:18:56.740 this thing because they just wouldn't a whole lot for 387 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.140 him to do. 388 00:18:57.380 --> 00:18:58.079 Way to go dad. 389 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.460 So it hits that break. It tumps over. And when 390 00:19:00.500 --> 00:19:03.450 it does, uh, they're trapped in the water with this 391 00:19:03.589 --> 00:19:07.190 big cart over top of them. And they were trapped 392 00:19:07.210 --> 00:19:09.950 there until a worker could get there and lift the 393 00:19:10.089 --> 00:19:16.069 car off of them. Unfortunately, they drowned to this accident. Now, 394 00:19:16.089 --> 00:19:20.009 his other two children, Edward and Carrie, were also on board, 395 00:19:20.049 --> 00:19:22.710 but they survived the accident. I don't think their cart 396 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:24.549 tumped over. I think there was a couple of carts. 397 00:19:24.569 --> 00:19:25.210 That's terrible. 398 00:19:26.089 --> 00:19:29.859 Now, there's a lesser-known fact of this story, and I 399 00:19:29.930 --> 00:19:32.980 thought it would be important to bring it up, It 400 00:19:33.019 --> 00:19:35.359 didn't get reported at the time. It wasn't in any 401 00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:37.500 of the newspapers or anything like that. But there was 402 00:19:37.619 --> 00:19:41.950 also a 10-year-old African-American girl there who was also killed. 403 00:19:42.589 --> 00:19:46.369 I don't have a name for her. I just felt 404 00:19:46.410 --> 00:19:49.069 like that she wasn't mentioned in any of the newspaper 405 00:19:49.130 --> 00:19:50.839 articles or anything at the time. the time it's almost 406 00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:53.519 like she didn't exist or it didn't matter and i 407 00:19:53.539 --> 00:19:55.619 just thought it would be important to at least give 408 00:19:55.660 --> 00:19:56.279 her a little bit of. 409 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.029 Attention now so you don't know how did she die. 410 00:19:59.089 --> 00:20:00.470 She was oh in the car she was in the 411 00:20:00.509 --> 00:20:03.529 car too oh gosh it's just a In the newspaper 412 00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:05.529 article where it talked about it, they didn't even talk 413 00:20:05.549 --> 00:20:05.890 about her. 414 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:06.759 Well, that's dumb. 415 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:07.900 So I don't know if they were just trying to 416 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:10.119 cover it up or if they were just saying that 417 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.539 she didn't matter. But either way, I just thought she 418 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:14.900 needed a little bit of attention and I was going 419 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:15.339 to give it to her. 420 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.000 Well, good. 421 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:17.200 I wish I could hug her. 422 00:20:18.019 --> 00:20:23.319 In 1936, the lighthouse had plumbing and electricity installed. That's exciting. 423 00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:24.259 That is exciting. 424 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:24.359 Dang. 425 00:20:24.380 --> 00:20:25.140 In 1955, the light became automated. 426 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.039 And in 1960, the structure was completely abandoned because once 427 00:20:33.099 --> 00:20:34.920 it's automated, they have no need for light keepers. 428 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:39.680 Oh, that kind of shot them in the foot. 429 00:20:39.740 --> 00:20:41.970 Right. In 1971, someone set the lighthouse on fire. 430 00:20:43.349 --> 00:20:44.710 What is the point of that? 431 00:20:44.829 --> 00:20:48.390 I don't know. And that made the Historic Society decide 432 00:20:48.509 --> 00:20:52.210 that they wanted to take over the lighthouse. They did 433 00:20:52.269 --> 00:20:56.339 some restorations to it, to the lighthouse and the keeper's house, 434 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.039 and they opened a public park and a museum there. 435 00:20:59.500 --> 00:21:02.380 So that's what it is today. And you can take 436 00:21:02.420 --> 00:21:07.109 several tours, including a haunted tour. How about that? That's 437 00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:11.410 the history. So let's talk about the ghosts. The first 438 00:21:11.450 --> 00:21:14.529 paranormal topic we're going to discuss is the fact that 439 00:21:14.690 --> 00:21:19.359 many think that spirits are drawn here because they see 440 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:21.940 this structure as like a beacon of hope for people. 441 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.920 So literally, it is a beacon. But some people think 442 00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:27.460 it's a beacon of hope who lost their lives at sea. 443 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.220 Oh, that's nice. 444 00:21:29.259 --> 00:21:29.460 Yeah. 445 00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:31.900 It's said that the light actually guides the spirits who 446 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:35.200 are wandering aimlessly around the sea onto the grounds. 447 00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:37.269 That's a good thing. 448 00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:43.809 Many paranormal researchers claim that data suggests that these spirits 449 00:21:43.910 --> 00:21:46.470 linger around here longer than most places and that the 450 00:21:46.509 --> 00:21:49.809 grounds of the lighthouse has a very large number of 451 00:21:49.849 --> 00:21:50.779 spirits attached to it. 452 00:21:52.190 --> 00:21:52.299 Hmm. 453 00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:58.259 It's believed that the land that the lighthouse is on 454 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.549 is also a burial ground for several individuals. There was

455 00:22:03.670 --> 00:22:06.210 one case where 13 pirates were captured and murdered on 456 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:10.990 the site. Oh, gosh. Well, they were bad people, and 457 00:22:11.329 --> 00:22:14.750 they had committed some crimes, and their penalty was death. 458 00:22:16.009 --> 00:22:18.049 And they were buried there on that site, and rumor 459 00:22:18.069 --> 00:22:21.079 has it that several bones turned up when they were 460 00:22:21.099 --> 00:22:23.279 building the keeper's house, and that's how they found out 461 00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:28.339 about it. There's hauntings, obviously, all over the lighthouse, but 462 00:22:28.420 --> 00:22:31.099 some of the main ones were in the basement. And 463 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:34.039 most people believe that the hauntings in the basement are 464 00:22:34.059 --> 00:22:35.500 said to be the spirits of these pirates. 465 00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:37.289 There's a basement in the lighthouse? 466 00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:39.650 Well, I guess technically it's not really in the lighthouse. 467 00:22:39.690 --> 00:22:40.589 It's in the keeper's house. 468 00:22:40.849 --> 00:22:40.990 Oh. 469 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:43.650 There may be a basement in the lighthouse, too, but 470 00:22:43.670 --> 00:22:45.190 I know there's a basement in the keeper's house. 471 00:22:46.089 --> 00:22:49.589 So they think it's the spirits then from. 472 00:22:48.970 --> 00:22:50.349 The pirates and stuff. And I guess that would make 473 00:22:50.390 --> 00:22:52.450 sense because they found those bones when they were digging 474 00:22:52.509 --> 00:22:53.230 the ground. 475 00:22:53.009 --> 00:22:54.670 For the keeper's house. 476 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.779 One of the more prominent ghosts that's seen on a 477 00:22:57.849 --> 00:23:00.950 regular basis is the original keeper that we talked about earlier, 478 00:23:00.990 --> 00:23:04.029 Joseph Andro, the one who fell to his death while 479 00:23:04.049 --> 00:23:06.950 he was out there painting. So he's seen quite often. 480 00:23:06.990 --> 00:23:10.210 He just kind of roams the grounds. There's another keeper 481 00:23:11.089 --> 00:23:14.900 by the name of William Harned, who in 1889, he 482 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.079 also passed away on the premises. Now, he died from tuberculosis. 483 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:25.680 And in 1894, his wife also passed away here. They 484 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.940 are both seen on the grounds on a regular basis, 485 00:23:28.180 --> 00:23:32.119 usually together. There's also a story of a local man 486 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.859 who lost everything in the stock market crash and the 487 00:23:34.900 --> 00:23:39.799 Great Depression in the late 20s, roughly around 1929. He 488 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.700 committed suicide by hanging himself in the rafter of the 489 00:23:42.859 --> 00:23:50.089 lighthouse keeper's house. That's kind of not really been officially documented. 490 00:23:50.900 --> 00:23:53.240 But many think that that's one of those deals where 491 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.240 it happened, but it was kind of kept hush-hush because 492 00:23:56.299 --> 00:23:58.339 they didn't want the negative publicity for the area. 493 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.759 Lots of going on around that lighthouse. 494 00:24:01.819 --> 00:24:04.609 Yeah. Even though there's no physical evidence that that suicide 495 00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:10.170 took place, people who experienced the spirit there, they know 496 00:24:10.190 --> 00:24:12.349 that it happened. And they said that this man is 497 00:24:12.369 --> 00:24:15.230 still there and he's sad with the events that ended 498 00:24:15.289 --> 00:24:24.299 his life. Many see... a figure dangling at nighttime in 499 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:25.200 the air, just dangling. 500 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:25.920 Oh, gosh. 501 00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:28.920 On nights of, like, really bad storms or bad weather 502 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:29.359 coming in. 503 00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:30.549 Oh, I wouldn't want to see that. 504 00:24:32.069 --> 00:24:35.890 Now, the most documented case at the lighthouse happened back 505 00:24:35.930 --> 00:24:39.150 when the Discovery Channel was filming a story there. Several 506 00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:42.670 people from the production crew said they saw an apparition 507 00:24:42.970 --> 00:24:46.960 of a man that looked like a mist walking on 508 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.519 the second floor of the keeper's house. They also smelled 509 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.400 cigar smoke throughout the house and in the lighthouse. They 510 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.059 also saw specks of light in the lighthouse and heard 511 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.640 some unusual noises and no cause was ever found for 512 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.000 any of it. But it's like I said, this is 513 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.819 actually a film crew there and several people saw the 514 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.680 exact same thing. 515 00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:12.700 Now that's pretty cool that they all saw that at once. 516 00:25:13.779 --> 00:25:17.009 As you could guess, there's some children that haunt the lighthouse. 517 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:17.440 Mm-hmm. 518 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.200 One of these children is a child who was hit 519 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:22.599 by a train in the early 1900s. 520 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.700 Wait. You said one of them is a children's that 521 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:27.960 or something funny. 522 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:28.400 I don't know. 523 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:29.859 It sounds funny. I don't know. 524 00:25:30.339 --> 00:25:31.319 Sorry. I know. 525 00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:33.000 I said one of the children's, but I didn't think 526 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:34.160 anybody was going to catch it, but you had to 527 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:34.799 call me out on. 528 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:36.880 It. 529 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:44.400 So this child was hit by a train in the 530

00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:44.789 early 1900s. 531 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:46.869 How's there a train by the lighthouse? 532 00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:47.700 I have no idea. 533 00:25:48.690 --> 00:25:48.819 Oh. 534 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:50.660 I didn't get that far into it. And I don't 535 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.640 know why that, I don't know, maybe he just liked 536 00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:53.720 to go there all the time. 537 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.059 I don't know. 538 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.980 I have no idea. The most obvious are the two 539 00:25:57.019 --> 00:25:59.420 little girls that died during the construction of the lighthouse. 540 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.660 Small girls are said to walk around the grounds and 541 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.119 they leave their little footprints in the sand. 542 00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:06.769 Aww. 543 00:26:06.789 --> 00:26:09.970 I don't know, it's adorable. It is adorable. They're seen 544 00:26:10.009 --> 00:26:13.970 watching individuals from the windows and they've also been seen 545 00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:15.190 in the halls of the house. 546 00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:17.109 Hmm. 547 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.420 I just think it's so interesting how, I mean, just 548 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.680 all these spirits just hang around. 549 00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:24.660 I don't, you know. 550 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.140 Well, I could definitely think of worse places to hang 551 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:30.890 around than a beautiful beach, ocean side in Florida. 552 00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:33.970 Well, that's true. I just, I mean, I know it 553 00:26:34.009 --> 00:26:36.549 sounds stupid, but you just think they might venture out 554 00:26:36.670 --> 00:26:39.289 somewhere else. But I guess they only want to stay 555 00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:40.329 where they're familiar with. 556 00:26:41.309 --> 00:26:44.450 So there's, the little girls we talked about, they can 557 00:26:44.529 --> 00:26:46.710 also be heard laughing at the top of the lighthouse. 558 00:26:47.029 --> 00:26:47.190 Mm-hmm. 559 00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:48.240 That's pretty cool. 560 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:48.740 Yeah. 561 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.539 They had some good times and stuff. 562 00:26:51.579 --> 00:26:51.900 You know? 563 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.960 Eliza, when she passed away, she was the oldest of 564 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.460 the daughters. She was actually wearing a blue dress at 565 00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:01.180 the time. And they say that you can see a 566 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.759 little girl in a blue dress just kind of floating 567 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:06.400 around the lighthouse. 568 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:07.779 Wow. 569 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.910 Makes me sad. But happy in a way. 570 00:27:13.609 --> 00:27:15.130 Right, they're still enjoying something. 571 00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:16.490 Yeah, they're still enjoying something, yeah. 572 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.700 One of the first light keepers was

a gentleman by 573 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.839 the name of Peter Rasmussen, and he was known for 574 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.420 his love of cigars. And this would explain the smell 575 00:27:25.460 --> 00:27:28.660 of cigar smoke on a regular basis, even though smoking 576 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.579 is not permitted on the grounds of the lighthouse. 577 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:32.859 Hey. 578 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.160 Wonder. Nah. 579 00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:38.359 Maybe he caught the White House. White House. 580 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.180 The White. 581 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.019 Maybe he caught the lighthouse on fire. 582 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:43.720 Could be. 583 00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:44.480 You know what I'm saying? 584 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.660 He could have been careless. And it was a wooden structure. 585 00:27:46.779 --> 00:27:47.500 He could have. 586 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.420 No, it wasn't wooden back then. 587 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:50.140 Oh. 588 00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:51.119 Anyways. 589 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.730 Ain't no cigar worth that anyway. They're terrible. 590 00:27:54.309 --> 00:27:59.130 Paranormal investigators have heard disembodied female voices asking for help. 591 00:28:00.089 --> 00:28:03.130 They have heard footsteps and seen shadow people on the stairs. 592 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:03.670 Mm-hmm. 593 00:28:04.769 --> 00:28:08.359 I wonder how big it is inside a lighthouse, though. 594 00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:09.779 I mean. 595 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.920 It's not really big. And I got some pictures that. 596 00:28:13.549 --> 00:28:16.269 or posted on Facebook that'll give you an idea from 597 00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:18.230 the inside, but it's not a real big, which is 598 00:28:18.289 --> 00:28:19.490 why they had a keeper's house. 599 00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:21.269 Oh, well that makes sense. 600 00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:21.730 Okay. 601 00:28:21.849 --> 00:28:24.509 I kind of, but in some, a lot of lighthouses 602 00:28:24.549 --> 00:28:25.529 don't have a keeper's house. 603 00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:27.190 Yeah. So they were lucky. Yeah. 604 00:28:27.349 --> 00:28:27.589 Right. 605 00:28:28.029 --> 00:28:29.380 I'd like to see inside one though. 606 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.539 Matt Hladik, H L A D I K. I'm sure 607 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.500 I butchered that. He's a guide for a, a dark 608 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.440 of the moon tours. They give a bunch of haunted 609 00:28:39.460 --> 00:28:42.980 tours of the, um, Lighthouse, he said that he's had 610 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.299 many different experiences. He's only like 21 years old, too. 611 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:46.720 Oh. 612 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:48.640 How many experiences can you have? 613 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:48.710 21. 614 00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:51.660 Come on. Hey, I wonder how many stairs it is 615 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:52.079 in there. 616 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:53.440 That's coming up. 617 00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:54.259 Oh, yay. 618 00:28:56.009 --> 00:28:58.890 He said that he's seen shadow figures in the tower. 619 00:28:59.589 --> 00:29:02.470 He's seen furniture move. And he said that he's even 620 00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:05.329 seen a hand coming through the tower door. 621 00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:07.769 Like just right through the door? 622 00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:11.630 I guess like a, you know, like a. See-through type hand. 623 00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:12.049 Mm-hmm. 624 00:29:12.750 --> 00:29:16.710 He said that he's had some hairs plucked out when 625 00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:18.579 he was in the basement of the keeper's house. Remember, 626 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.059 that's where the pirates are. I don't know if the 627 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.640 hairs were plucked out of his booty. 628 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.420 Booty hole. 629 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.940 Or maybe it was out of his arm. 630 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.460 Oh, that was good. 631 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.430 No, it wasn't, and we'll. 632 00:29:31.309 --> 00:29:31.759 Hear about it. 633 00:29:31.769 --> 00:29:32.670 That was so good. 634 00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.250 Anyway, he said that while he was in the middle 635 00:29:34.269 --> 00:29:37.390 of a tour one time that a hand grabbed his 636 00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:41.160 ankle and it made him trip. but it was like 637 00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:42.839 an invisible hand, so it made him look like he 638 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.299 just tripped on air and fell in front of people. 639 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:46.220 That would have been so laughed. 640 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.880 That would have been funny. The Dark of the Moon 641 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.960 tour started as a Halloween seasonal thing and became so 642 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.160 popular that it became a full-time gig. 643 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:55.000 Oh, very cool. 644 00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:58.829 It's so popular that the tours hold 50 people, and 645 00:29:58.849 --> 00:30:01.460 they regularly sell out. That's a lot of people coming. 646 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:02.119 St. 647 00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:05.940 Augustine has eight different companies that offer ghost tours. That's 648 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:09.210 how haunted this place is. I mean, like, Louisville's got one. 649 00:30:09.369 --> 00:30:09.750 Yeah. 650 00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:10.650 They've got eight. 651 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:11.930 That's crazy. 652 00:30:13.329 --> 00:30:16.549 The lighthouse became a very hot paranormal topic back in 653 00:30:16.549 --> 00:30:21.319 2005 when ghost hunters, taps, came to town. Jason Halls, 654 00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:25.519 Grant Wilson. Jason and Grant were fascinated about a place, 655 00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:29.180 and some really hardcore ghost hunters came from all over 656 00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:31.519 the world come to this place just to check out 657 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.259 the lighthouse. It's really cool. 658 00:30:34.480 -->

00:30:35.579 Very, very cool. 659 00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.039 A couple of quick ones to kind of end on. 660 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.130 Visitors report a young girl in period clothing looking out 661 00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.890 the lighthouse door or just kind of standing by an 662 00:30:46.990 --> 00:30:51.579 upstairs window. In 2009, a cell tower technician took a 663 00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:54.299 picture of his co-worker with the lighthouse in the background. 664 00:30:55.180 --> 00:30:57.309 The figure of a young girl in a long black 665 00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:01.150 dress and long hair can actually be seen standing alone 666 00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:03.250 on the top of the observation deck. 667 00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:06.990 Like she's waiting for somebody. Like she's waiting for her love. 668 00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:10.089 It looks to me more like she's sitting with her 669 00:31:10.109 --> 00:31:12.470 legs dangling down, but maybe that's just me. But I've 670 00:31:12.490 --> 00:31:15.730 got a picture of that that we also posted. And 671 00:31:15.750 --> 00:31:22.049 then there's a man in blue that's basically terrifying people. 672 00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:26.490 This guy's like kind of a jerk, but anybody who's 673 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.039 worked or lived in the house has seen him and 674 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.240 it's freaked some people out. This entity will follow you 675 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.720 down all 219 stairs from the top of the lighthouse 676 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.099 down to the bottom. 677 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.519 That is a bunch of stairs. 678 00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:43.420 One lighthouse keeper was so scared that he refused to 679 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:47.839 live there any longer. He eventually was able to switch 680 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.619 duties with another member of the Coast Guard who wasn't 681 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:55.609 afraid of ghosts. So many think that the man... In 682 00:31:55.670 --> 00:32:00.430 blue is actually Joseph Andro, the first keeper. St. Augustine 683 00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:04.990 Lighthouse has about 200,000 visitors per year, and it still 684 00:32:05.049 --> 00:32:11.019 has the original Fresno lens from 1874. Oh, very cool. 685 00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:15.220 370 handmade prisms in that lens. And it just recently 686 00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:17.660 had some stuff done on it. The tower gets painted 687 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.680 every five to seven years. And that is the story 688 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.200 of the St. Augustine Courthouse. Or a lighthouse. 689 00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:25.200 What are you saying? 690 00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:26.319 Or a courthouse. I don't know. 691 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:27.359 Oh, my God. 692 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:28.279 I have no clue what I'm saying. 693 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.390 Sorry, folks. He's extra bald-headed today. I guess that's what's happening. 694 00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:38.650 Too many houses. You've got a keeper's house, lighthouse, courthouse, 695 00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:40.109 the White House. You didn't say the White House. 696 00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:42.069 I know I did. But, you know, that's cool that 697 00:32:42.089 --> 00:32:44.690 they had another house to live in. I mean, that 698 00:32:44.710 --> 00:32:45.410 was really nice. 699 00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:47.420 And what do you see pictures of this thing? This 700 00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:47.819 was a. 701 00:32:48.019 --> 00:32:49.880 Really, really nice house. 702 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.700 This is like a big two-story house. Victorian style. 703 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:54.109 Oh, wow. 704 00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:55.950 I said Victorian. I don't know my, I don't know 705 00:32:55.990 --> 00:32:56.490 my Orient. 706 00:32:56.509 --> 00:32:57.029 Well, you know. 707 00:32:57.049 --> 00:32:59.029 It may not be Victorian. It might just be a big, 708 00:32:59.069 --> 00:32:59.930 nice two-story house. 709 00:33:00.390 --> 00:33:02.950 Well, that's true. But hey, it's better than sleeping in 710 00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:05.170 that and having to climb up 200 and something daggone 711 00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:08.549 stairs every time you, that, no, I couldn't do that. 712 00:33:09.750 --> 00:33:10.950 I don't think you have to climb up the stairs 713 00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:12.470 all the time. There's not a big need for you 714 00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:14.250 to be up in the top all the time. 715 00:33:15.329 --> 00:33:15.430 Oh. 716 00:33:15.509 --> 00:33:16.950 You just got to go up there occasionally to make 717 00:33:16.970 --> 00:33:17.849 sure the lights are still working. 718 00:33:17.869 --> 00:33:20.210 Oh, that's true. That just seems like a bunch of 719 00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:20.869 wasted stairs. 720 00:33:22.339 --> 00:33:22.450 Yeah. 721 00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:24.680 Why'd they put an elevator in that biatch? 722 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:26.839 I don't think there was a lot of elevators going 723 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.359 on back in 1874. I'm sure they had them. Going up. 724 00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:32.400 Going down. What the hell? 725 00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:38.920 All right. So, as promised, Andrea Whitney. 726 00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:41.960 Oh, we love you, honey. We love you so much. 727 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.559 Oh, and I'm not going to say it. 728 00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:46.809 Don't say it. 729 00:33:46.849 --> 00:33:50.230 I'm not because she'll get mad at me. Anyways, we're 730 00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:52.890 just going to say the number was 208 And she'll 731 00:33:52.910 --> 00:33:55.710 know what that means. Nobody else will know what it means, 732 00:33:55.750 --> 00:33:57.230 but she'll know what it means. And that's just going 733 00:33:57.250 --> 00:34:01.359 to be enough to make us laugh. So anyways, Andrea 734 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.460 Whitney came on. This is her fourth appearance. That's more 735 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:06.799 than anybody else. The only people

that's been on more, 736 00:34:07.660 --> 00:34:08.880 just by coincidence. 737 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:09.480 It's me. 738 00:34:10.460 --> 00:34:11.219 Yes, you. 739 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:17.280 But Lee Sowell from Don't Break the Oath because... He's 740 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.460 been on, he was on the thing we did with 741 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.820 Phil Holmes with the Loch Ness. He did that little 742 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.789 bit a couple of weeks ago. And then I had 743 00:34:24.809 --> 00:34:26.909 him on individually and then him and Andy were on 744 00:34:27.050 --> 00:34:28.849 way back in the day when we did Rendlesham Forest. 745 00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:29.349 Yes. 746 00:34:29.429 --> 00:34:31.630 So Andrea, this is her fourth time being on. 747 00:34:31.650 --> 00:34:34.469 Well, we're so happy to have her. She's such a sweetheart. 748 00:34:34.969 --> 00:34:35.179 Yep. 749 00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:37.000 So this is going to be a cool story. Like 750 00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:39.300 I said, you guys will love this. She gets into 751 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.739 details as she does in all of her stories. So 752 00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:44.570 let's listen a little bit about Fox Hollow Farms. We 753 00:34:44.690 --> 00:34:47.590 are joined by a special guest. You've heard her on 754 00:34:47.630 --> 00:34:50.130 the show. This is her fourth appearance, which is more 755 00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:52.610 than any other guest we have. And she's on so 756 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.139 much because you guys really love her. And it's Andrea Whitney. 757 00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.880 She's the editor-in-chief for the Jasper Newsboy in Jasper, Texas. Andrea, 758 00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:01.900 welcome back to the show. 759 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.739 Hey, Jerry. Hi, Tracy. 760 00:35:04.929 --> 00:35:07.269 Thank you guys for having me on again. I feel 761 00:35:07.289 --> 00:35:10.150 like it's been forever. I love coming on, so I'm 762 00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:11.389 honored to be here again. 763 00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:14.409 Well, before we get started on what we've got planned 764 00:35:14.449 --> 00:35:17.869 for tonight, I get asked all the time if there 765 00:35:17.929 --> 00:35:21.190 are any other developments in the situation with your friend 766 00:35:21.929 --> 00:35:26.139 that you were doing the research on that committed suicide 767 00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:28.940 in the school parking lot. So do we have any 768 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.639 new developments on that situation? 769 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:32.820 Actually, we do. 770 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.960 There were some comments that were made on the Hillbilly 771 00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:41.079 Horror Stories group and some, Jerry, that you shared with me. 772 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.909 And one of them, I think it was a gentleman, 773 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:48.309 I'm not sure, I don't remember, but he made the comment, 774 00:35:48.369 --> 00:35:50.789 you know, I hope

it works out well for her. 775 00:35:50.829 --> 00:35:53.969 I just don't think she's really ready to kind of 776 00:35:54.130 --> 00:35:57.650 face what happened. And I thought, you know what, I do. 777 00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:01.590 I am ready, and I've got to get this done. 778 00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:06.389 So I started once again. I wiped this, literally, I 779 00:36:06.429 --> 00:36:07.710 have a whiteboard in. 780 00:36:07.690 --> 00:36:09.869 My office, and I wiped it clean. 781 00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:14.599 And I started from three months prior to his death 782 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.889 up until after his death. And I comprised, compiled everything 783 00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:27.530 into an outline, every reason why I thought this, this 784 00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.050 couldn't have happened the way that it happened from the 785 00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:35.030 fact of the police that were cited surrounding the school 786 00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:37.050 right after. 787 00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:39.920 It happened for, you know, and then, saying that it 788 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:40.719 was a drill. 789 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.940 From different comments that were made, I could not, there 790 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.000 was not a 911 call placed. 791 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.059 And I put it all in an outline. 792 00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:53.909 I made probably 200 copies of it. I put them 793 00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:58.929 all in binders. And I began just hounding law enforcement, 794 00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:03.769 hounding them, hounding them. And with some hope and my 795 00:37:03.809 --> 00:37:08.190 fingers crossed, I am hoping that that they may reopen it. 796 00:37:08.389 --> 00:37:09.909 I can't say that they will. 797 00:37:09.929 --> 00:37:14.010 I hope they do for the simple fact that he 798 00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:20.239 deserves justice. And I just, if you knew some of 799 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.119 the things that, like Jerry, you and I have talked about, 800 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.380 and there are some things and names that I just 801 00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:28.380 can't put out over the air, for lack of better words, 802 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:33.519 it's so incredibly obvious. And he came to me for help. 803 00:37:33.860 --> 00:37:36.949 As crazy as people may think I am, I won't 804 00:37:36.969 --> 00:37:40.829 let it go. So there haven't, I mean, there's been 805 00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:44.449 some new developments. They're taking a second look at the 806 00:37:44.590 --> 00:37:49.280 autopsy report. They are contacting some doctors that I had 807 00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:55.539 contacted prior for evidence and expert opinion. They're actually reaching 808 00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.239 out to these doctors. So hopefully we're going step one again. 809 00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.940 And I'll just keep going until somebody tells me to stop. 810 00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.059 And then I'll keep going even then. 811 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.099 Well, good luck with all that. I know it's something 812 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.039 near and dear to your heart. 813 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.929 It's near and dear to my heart. But so are y'all. 814 00:38:16.389 --> 00:38:16.730 Thanks. 815 00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:18.510 On a happy note. 816 00:38:18.750 --> 00:38:22.250 Let's bring forward to this story. Now, this is a 817 00:38:22.289 --> 00:38:24.789 very unique story in the fact that I was going 818 00:38:24.889 --> 00:38:29.570 to use this as a topic probably three or four 819 00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:35.360 months ago. It's almost impossible to find... very much information 820 00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:37.699 on the internet for something as big as this is. 821 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.050 And I guess it just depends on where you look, 822 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.800 but there's a documentary that was out. And at the 823 00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:45.269 time it was one of those you had to pay 824 00:38:45.349 --> 00:38:47.449 for on YouTube or something like that, wherever it was. 825 00:38:47.809 --> 00:38:50.610 And I didn't have access to it. And basically that 826 00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:51.989 just means I was cheap and wouldn't go to pay 827 00:38:52.030 --> 00:38:55.889 like $ 3 to rent it. So the reality of it 828 00:38:55.929 --> 00:38:59.090 was I couldn't find enough information reading to do the 829 00:38:59.130 --> 00:39:00.829 story on it. So I just kind of let it go. 830 00:39:01.369 --> 00:39:03.250 But you brought it up to me the other day 831 00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:05.889 and said, hey, I've got all kinds of notes. I believe, 832 00:39:05.929 --> 00:39:07.610 didn't you say you did your thesis on this? 833 00:39:08.309 --> 00:39:11.380 Yes, I did. I did one of my thesis. 834 00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:14.780 I had to take a class in psychology, but it 835 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.840 was called deviant behavior. And it was a, you know, 836 00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:22.929 it was a semester long course on, well, deviant behavior. 837 00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:27.210 And this is one of the, this is, I just, 838 00:39:27.369 --> 00:39:28.329 this case stuck. 839 00:39:28.210 --> 00:39:28.710 Out to me. 840 00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:31.940 And so I thought, you know what, I'm going to 841 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:36.199 do my thesis on Herb Baumeister. And so I have 842 00:39:36.260 --> 00:39:39.139 tons of notes. You know, I spoke with law enforcement 843 00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:43.320 at the time. I actually spoke, you know, with several 844 00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:49.380 different people from neighbors to law enforcement just I do 845 00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:51.820 a lot of people. I was never able to speak 846 00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:56.599 with anyone on from Bowmeister's camp. Of course, that's, that's 847 00:39:56.619 --> 00:40:00.260 not surprising, but I was able to speak with Mr. 848 00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:00.739 Graves. 849 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.639

I'm the owner of the home. And anyway, as we 850 00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.280 get into the story towards the end, I'll have some 851 00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:10.889 updates that haven't been, they haven't been publicized just because, 852 00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:13.489 you know, the story is kind of, it's kind of 853 00:40:13.550 --> 00:40:16.070 faded away, but I think that the readers might be 854 00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:17.039 interested to hear it. 855 00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:17.269 So. 856 00:40:17.610 --> 00:40:20.489 Can I give a brief synopsis of what we're talking 857 00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:22.820 about without stepping on your toes, do you think? 858 00:40:23.179 --> 00:40:24.019 Yeah, you can. 859 00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:27.039 I actually, yeah, are kind of a back story because 860 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:28.619 that's what I've got is a back story. 861 00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:29.579 So you go right ahead. 862 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.239 Well, I'm going to let you get into the details. 863 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:32.960 I'm just going to tell people in general what we're 864 00:40:32.980 --> 00:40:38.250 talking about. We're talking about Fox Hollow Farms in Westfield, Indiana. 865 00:40:38.730 --> 00:40:41.349 How close is that to Indianapolis? Do you know? 866 00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:46.929 It is probably 60, 70 miles is what I believe. 867 00:40:47.289 --> 00:40:48.750 Okay, so it's not that far. 868 00:40:48.889 --> 00:40:50.230 It's not that far. 869 00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:53.800 Yeah, it's an 18-acre farm. And in the early 90s, 870 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.099 Herb Baumeister lived there. He was a local guy, local 871 00:40:57.139 --> 00:41:01.659 business guy. Weird shit started happening. And he became the 872 00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:06.619 suspect in, I don't know, several people that became missing 873 00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.199 that they assumed were killed in the 80s and the 90s. 874 00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:13.269 So he got on him. He fled to Canada. And 875 00:41:13.550 --> 00:41:17.719 during the midst of him being gone, They found over 5,000 876 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.630 bone fragments on the property. They thought there was about 877 00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:23.949 as many as 17 different victims, but they could only 878 00:41:24.210 --> 00:41:27.650 properly identify five of them. And they think that most 879 00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:31.849 of the murders happened inside the house at the indoor 880 00:41:31.909 --> 00:41:35.500 pool that he had. But that's the basic background of 881 00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:38.159 this guy. But as we get into the story, you're 882 00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:39.840 going to find out that this is one of those 883 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.420 rare cases where where it's a combination of true crime, 884 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.750 but it's also a lot of paranormal activity in the 885 00:41:46.909 --> 00:41:50.590 home and surrounding area right there. So with that being said, 886 00:41:50.630 -->

00:41:51.710 I'll turn it over to you, Andrea. 887 00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:54.730 Okay, that sounds great. Yes, this is the story of 888 00:41:54.789 --> 00:42:01.730 Herb Baumeister. He was born in 1947. And this is 889 00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:04.250 just kind of a little bit of backstory. As we 890 00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:08.579 get into it, this kind of plays into the story. 891 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.940 But when he was 11 years old, this is kind 892 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.820 of disturbing, but when he was 11 years old, he 893 00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:20.079 started exhibiting, I guess you'd call it deviant behavior tendencies. 894 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.849 He had the trifecta, wetting his bed, playing with dead animals, 895 00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:28.969 doing things that Normal children shouldn't do. Like I said, 896 00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:31.409 when he was 11, he urinated on his teacher's desk. 897 00:42:31.469 --> 00:42:35.170 He was just one of those, definitely had some issues. 898 00:42:35.269 --> 00:42:38.809 Mom and dad took him to the doctor. The doctor, 899 00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:41.929 of course, said he would grow out of it. As 900 00:42:42.010 --> 00:42:45.619 time went on, even when he was as young as 17, 901 00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:52.360 it's kind of hard to find any information on it. 902 00:42:52.849 --> 00:42:55.719 But there was a case of one of his friends 903 00:42:55.780 --> 00:42:59.099 who went missing, and this was supposed to be Baumeister's 904 00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:03.820 really good friend. They had been playing baseball in the park, 905 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.059 and Herb came home. His friend did not come home. 906 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:10.230 He was listed as a missing person. They never found 907 00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:15.389 the body. But as time went on, they have no 908 00:43:15.409 --> 00:43:16.309 physical evidence. 909 00:43:16.429 --> 00:43:20.360 But You know, they wonder if that was part of it. 910 00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:24.969 He attended college, dropped out, went back, and then in 71, 911 00:43:24.969 --> 00:43:29.809 I believe, he married Julia. And they had three children. 912 00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:35.150 And the marriage, of course, crumbled when the investigation started. 913 00:43:35.349 --> 00:43:39.409 Pretty much, Jerry, like you said, he was accused. 914 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:41.769 Of, I think the final number was 20. 915 00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:46.780 Of 20 murders, these were all gay men who visited 916 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.400 a certain district within Indianapolis. There was some bars that 917 00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:56.159 he would frequent. He went by the alias of Brian Smart. 918 00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:02.190 He actually, one of the victims had gone to the police. 919 00:44:02.230 --> 00:44:07.389 This was a guy named Brian Smart. 920 00:44:07.829 --> 00:44:10.489 I went back to his home with him. My friend 921 00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:11.269 and I did. 922 00:44:11.289 --> 00:44:16.989 He basically tried to kill me with a by strangling 923 00:44:17.030 --> 00:44:20.309 me with a pool hose and he said he killed 924 00:44:20.409 --> 00:44:25.150 my friend well that's what sparked off the investigation of 925 00:44:25.269 --> 00:44:28.889 course anybody knows anything about law if you don't have 926 00:44:28.969 --> 00:44:32.849 a body it's very hard to build a case so 927 00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:36.289 all of these men as they start looking into it 928 00:44:36.329 --> 00:44:38.989 these men are just going missing missing i mean we're 929 00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:44.880 talking one a week and They all seem somehow to 930 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:50.070 tie back to this alias, Brian Smart. So the victim 931 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:55.289 that survived went and decided to go back to the 932 00:44:55.349 --> 00:45:01.170 same bar. He actually followed Baumeister as he was bringing 933 00:45:01.250 --> 00:45:02.769 home another gentleman. 934 00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:06.090 This was one of Baumeister's last known victims. 935 00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:09.329 And he was the last known victim that got in 936 00:45:09.369 --> 00:45:12.639 the car with Baumeister was wearing a red T-shirt. 937 00:45:13.099 --> 00:45:14.760 That's going to come into play later. 938 00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:21.460 But the victim that escaped death followed Baumeister in his 939 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.139 car so that he could get the license plate of 940 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.320 this gentleman, Baumeister, who was going by the name of 941 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.070 Brian Smart. He brought the license plate to the police. 942 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.989 Police then Tie it back to Baumeister and the investigation 943 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.800 kicks into high gear. Pretty much, Jerry, like you said, 944 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.340 they found tons of bone fragments. To this day, they 945 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.539 are still finding them. in and around the 18-acre property. 946 00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:54.360 But Baumeister committed suicide and Flooded Canada committed suicide, so 947 00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:57.940 he was never tried for this. Now, switching gears over 948 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.500 to present day, or we'll say, you know, the 90s, 949 00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:06.360 the Graves family moved into the house. And they're being 950 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.860 shown a home. They wanted to flee the city for 951 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.449 a quieter lifestyle. So they're, you know, going through the house. 952 00:46:12.469 --> 00:46:13.690 The house is gorgeous. 953 00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:18.190 I mean, indoor pool, Just beautiful, you know, just a 954 00:46:18.210 --> 00:46:22.309 beautiful ranch style home. And Rob Graves is like, gosh, 955 00:46:22.329 --> 00:46:26.050 you know, this place sure is, it's awful cheap. And 956 00:46:26.090 --> 00:46:28.170 then he got to thinking, wait a minute, is this 957

00:46:28.230 --> 00:46:30.869 the house that I've seen on the news? And so 958 00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:33.210 he asked the realtor, is this, you know, the Herb 959 00:46:33.250 --> 00:46:37.179 Baumeister home? And the realtor said, yes, yes, sir. That's 960 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.219 why it's so cheap. Well, he spoke with his wife 961 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.139 and they were like, you know what? We can handle this. 962 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:44.739 You know, it's okay. 963 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:48.480 It's over. It's gone. We can handle this. So they 964 00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:49.019 move in. 965 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.550 Everything is rocking along smoothly. 966 00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:55.269 You know, they're renovating some parts of the home, making 967 00:46:55.309 --> 00:46:55.929 it their own. 968 00:46:56.690 --> 00:47:00.750 And the first instance, which these are pretty well known 969 00:47:00.909 --> 00:47:05.210 on the internet, Mrs. Graves was vacuuming gravel up in 970 00:47:05.230 --> 00:47:09.349 the pool area. And she had her vacuum cleaner actually 971 00:47:09.449 --> 00:47:12.889 plugged into an extension cord and not directly into the wall. 972 00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:16.070 And the extension cord was probably one and a half 973 00:47:16.210 --> 00:47:20.289 feet from her. Her vacuum cleaner went off. So she 974 00:47:20.329 --> 00:47:24.369 turned and looked. The extension cord had become unplugged from 975 00:47:24.429 --> 00:47:27.690 the actual vacuum cleaner cord. But she plugged it back 976 00:47:27.710 --> 00:47:33.010 in and she's still vacuuming. It happens again. And she thought, okay, 977 00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:36.280 that's weird. Maybe I didn't plug it inside enough. So 978 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.960 she goes back over there, she secures it, and she 979 00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:44.949 begins vacuuming again. And on the third time it came unplugged, 980 00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:48.510 she said, okay, no, that's it. I can't, you know, 981 00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:49.289 I can't do this. 982 00:47:49.710 --> 00:47:50.449 I'm freaked out. 983 00:47:51.010 --> 00:47:55.300 So she decides that she's not going to vacuum anymore 984 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:55.739 that day. 985 00:47:56.139 --> 00:47:58.099 As they're moving in, things. 986 00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.880 Are going, you know, they're going good, except for here 987 00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:03.239 and there, things would come up missing. 988 00:48:03.699 --> 00:48:06.989 You know, just pieces of clothing here and there. 989 00:48:07.409 --> 00:48:10.949 Just different things would come up that weren't right. The 990 00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:14.809 next thing that happened was Joe LeBlanc is going to 991 00:48:14.849 --> 00:48:18.530 enter the picture. Rob and Vicki Graves were very successful 992 00:48:19.010 --> 00:48:22.909 at their jobs. Rob was actually a car salesman. He 993 00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:26.599 had a good friend and colleague, Joe LeBlanc, who

had 994 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.630 a very long commute to get to work. And so 995 00:48:29.690 --> 00:48:32.050 he asked Joe, he said, hey, you know what? Why 996 00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:34.070 don't you come on and live in the guest house? 997 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.559 You know, nobody's there. It would, you know, put somebody 998 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.099 there to kind of, you know, keep the place from 999 00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:40.719 running down. 1000 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.219 Of course, Joe said, absolutely. 1001 00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:46.730 Now, Rob told Joe, hey, I want you to know that, 1002 00:48:47.030 --> 00:48:50.329 you know, it's the Herb Baumeister home. And he said, oh, 1003 00:48:50.369 --> 00:48:51.329 I don't care about that. 1004 00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:53.670 You know, I don't believe in all that. I don't care. 1005 00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:57.409 So he wasn't fazed by any of the history. And 1006 00:48:57.449 --> 00:49:01.230 the whole apartment had actually been gutted. So everything was 1007 00:49:01.329 --> 00:49:04.739 brand new. Now, Joe had a dog. His dog's name 1008 00:49:04.780 --> 00:49:08.280 was Fred. So the very first night that they had 1009 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.679 moved in, Joe and Fred settled in for the night 1010 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.780 and they were going to watch a movie. But because 1011 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.949 Joe was so, he was just beat. He went right 1012 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.969 to sleep. This is the first night in this house, okay? 1013 00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:25.820 He has a dream. In this dream, he is running 1014 00:49:26.019 --> 00:49:29.579 for his life. Those were his words. I was running 1015 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.599 for my life. He said, I didn't know what I 1016 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.179 was running from, but I knew something was chasing me 1017 00:49:36.260 --> 00:49:39.320 and I had to get away. So he wakes up 1018 00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:44.090 And he sits bolt upright in bed. And have you 1019 00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:47.349 ever woken up from a dream, Jerry, where you're just, 1020 00:49:47.769 --> 00:49:49.869 you still think you're in that dream. It takes you 1021 00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:52.110 a little bit to kind of come back to reality. 1022 00:49:52.489 --> 00:49:52.989 Yeah. 1023 00:49:53.610 --> 00:49:54.050 Okay. 1024 00:49:54.610 --> 00:49:57.219 Well, that's what happened to him. And when he woke up, 1025 00:49:58.110 --> 00:50:01.000 it was within a period of seconds, he hit the 1026 00:50:01.059 --> 00:50:04.739 floor and started to run. He was still scared. And 1027 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.739 he hit the door frame. as he was running, and that, 1028 00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.190 of course, woke him up. Well, it probably knocked him 1029 00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:15.909 out first, but he woke up. He was on the floor. 1030 00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:20.309 He had glass in his hands. He was just, I mean, 1031 00:50:20.329 --> 00:50:24.789 because he had run into the outer door. He still, 1032 00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:27.809 even years later, he said, that was one of the 1033 00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:32.030 scariest experiences I've ever had because I didn't know what 1034 00:50:32.070 --> 00:50:36.110 I was running from. So he knew something was there then, 1035 00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:40.070 But he just kind of pushed it to the side. 1036 00:50:40.469 --> 00:50:44.570 In the meantime, Vicki had come home from work one day. 1037 00:50:44.829 --> 00:50:48.170 She had found her husband painting. She was looking around, 1038 00:50:48.230 --> 00:50:50.530 you know, at his work, seeing what all he was doing. 1039 00:50:51.369 --> 00:50:54.070 And she glanced kind of out of the corner of 1040 00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:57.070 her eye and she saw something red. And she looked, 1041 00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:01.599 there was a man in a red t-shirt standing in 1042 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.840 their yard. Now, she described this man as the. 1043 00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:07.050 look on. 1044 00:51:07.010 --> 00:51:10.010 His face because it wasn't very far. She could see 1045 00:51:10.050 --> 00:51:12.769 it was straight out of plate glass window. So she 1046 00:51:13.090 --> 00:51:16.610 had quite a view from the beginning. But she said 1047 00:51:16.690 --> 00:51:20.820 she walked outside and she said the look of fear 1048 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.440 on his face is something that she's never seen before. 1049 00:51:24.739 --> 00:51:29.639 So she started walking towards him and she realized that 1050 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.230 he doesn't have any legs. All she can see is head, shoulders, 1051 00:51:34.289 --> 00:51:39.159 and torsos. but yet this man turns and runs towards 1052 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.110 the woods. I mean, she doesn't see his legs obviously, 1053 00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:48.769 but this apparition goes towards the woods. She looked back 1054 00:51:48.829 --> 00:51:53.409 at her husband. He had seen it and he joked 1055 00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:56.730 about it and called it a serial killer groupie ghost, 1056 00:51:57.349 --> 00:52:00.769 which was kind of tacky, but I mean, I guess. 1057 00:52:01.530 --> 00:52:04.349 You know, Hey, try to find humor in everything. Right. 1058 00:52:05.309 --> 00:52:10.530 Um, So they just, you know, Rob was like, okay, 1059 00:52:10.809 --> 00:52:14.349 you know, maybe it was just, maybe it was a 1060 00:52:14.389 --> 00:52:17.150 real person. And Vicki was like, no, I'm telling you, 1061 00:52:17.849 --> 00:52:20.090 if it was a real person, then how the hell 1062 00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:23.820 were they running? Because they had no legs. But Rob 1063 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.079 insisted on installing security cameras. They did install these cameras. 1064 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:33.019 And Rob later said that it was something that he 1065 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.809 wishes that he'd would not have done in a way 1066 00:52:37.250 --> 00:52:40.469

because the things that they caught on that security camera 1067 00:52:40.949 --> 00:52:44.420 just made it to where he said he would go six, 1068 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:48.000 seven nights with no sleep because he would see things 1069 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.800 on the security camera. He would see like, he described 1070 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.590 it as white mist, but they had a human form. 1071 00:52:57.010 --> 00:53:01.070 He would see them moving. to and from the pool room. 1072 00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:05.590 He would see bright lights along the fence line. He 1073 00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:09.429 said there was anything and everything that you could see 1074 00:53:09.550 --> 00:53:13.579 from lights to mist to clouds. He saw it, but 1075 00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:18.280 it was, it wasn't something that he could explain away anymore. 1076 00:53:18.699 --> 00:53:21.199 So he began to realize, you know, we've really got 1077 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.699 something on our hands now. 1078 00:53:23.170 --> 00:53:26.510 Going back to Joe who's living in the guest house 1079 00:53:26.730 --> 00:53:30.329 Joe was washing dishes one night and he heard somebody 1080 00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:33.610 knocking on the door it was a very insistent knocking 1081 00:53:34.030 --> 00:53:36.690 so he goes to answer it and he he doesn't 1082 00:53:36.750 --> 00:53:40.369 see anything he looks around he still can't see anything 1083 00:53:40.869 --> 00:53:43.710 he closed and locked the door but he said as 1084 00:53:43.769 --> 00:53:47.690 he was locking that door he felt he said I 1085 00:53:47.750 --> 00:53:51.530 felt something he said I felt like Just something wasn't 1086 00:53:51.630 --> 00:53:54.329 right and there was someone there. I knew there was 1087 00:53:54.369 --> 00:53:57.630 someone there. So he goes back to try to wash 1088 00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:01.940 dishes and shake this feeling and he looks, he turns 1089 00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:06.280 around because he hears the knocking again. He turns around 1090 00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:09.380 and he sees a white mist and it grabbed his 1091 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.719 attention but he said within seconds it was gone. And 1092 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:18.349 he looked down at Fred, his dog, who was acting fine. 1093 00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:21.989 So he just kind of shook it off as, yes, 1094 00:54:22.070 --> 00:54:24.210 it's a ghost, but as long as it just knocks 1095 00:54:24.309 --> 00:54:27.050 on my door, I'll be okay, as long as it 1096 00:54:27.070 --> 00:54:30.610 doesn't do anything else. Well, he decided, I think a 1097 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.460 couple of nights later, he was going to take his 1098 00:54:32.500 --> 00:54:35.380 dog for a walk, and they would walk up and 1099 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.840 down the driveway. He heard something in the woods along 1100 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.599 the fence line. He looked down at Fred. Fred had 1101 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:48.269 stopped And he was doing that low growl that dogs 1102 00:54:48.349 --> 00:54:51.510 do whenever they know something's there. And his eyes and 1103 00:54:51.590 --> 00:54:53.820 ears are, you know, he's standing at attention. 1104 00:54:54.219 --> 00:54:59.559 As they walked back, his dog started running. He ran away. 1105 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.369 And so as Joe turns to go chase the dog, 1106 00:55:04.610 --> 00:55:08.309 he catches a glimpse of what Fred is chasing. And 1107 00:55:08.369 --> 00:55:11.469 it's a man in a red T-shirt. He could see 1108 00:55:11.570 --> 00:55:14.340 it because he had a flashlight. It was right at dusk, 1109 00:55:14.420 --> 00:55:17.579 so it was not dark yet. But he still had 1110 00:55:17.619 --> 00:55:20.960 his flashlight. And as he ran towards the woods, he 1111 00:55:21.019 --> 00:55:24.250 turned on the flashlight and he said, I could see 1112 00:55:24.289 --> 00:55:27.710 this man. He had reddish brown hair. He was an 1113 00:55:27.869 --> 00:55:31.750 athletic build. He had on a red T-shirt. He said 1114 00:55:31.809 --> 00:55:35.070 he was wearing a darker color, like Levi's style jeans. 1115 00:55:35.289 --> 00:55:38.969 I mean, he described this man to a T. And 1116 00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:43.090 what is interesting is that the man he was describing 1117 00:55:43.449 --> 00:55:48.849 was Ballmeister's last known victim. That is exactly what this 1118 00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:52.769 guy was wearing when he disappeared. His alleged victim, I'll 1119 00:55:52.789 --> 00:55:55.590 put it that way. So he's running in the woods. 1120 00:55:55.849 --> 00:55:59.909 He finds Fred. Fred is standing there just growling. He 1121 00:55:59.969 --> 00:56:02.769 lost sight of the gentleman in the red shirt, he said, 1122 00:56:02.829 --> 00:56:04.969 for about 15. 1123 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:05.690 20 seconds. 1124 00:56:05.769 --> 00:56:09.250 He said, but the closer he got to Fred, he 1125 00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:12.659 could see him. And he came face to face with 1126 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.280 this man's, in this red t-shirt and there's not much 1127 00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:23.510 i i've verified this years ago but since since then 1128 00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:26.619 it's kind of disappeared off the internet but this man 1129 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:31.489 looked at him and said go that's all he said 1130 00:56:31.590 --> 00:56:35.250 was just go and he said at that moment i 1131 00:56:35.309 --> 00:56:38.969 turned around and i got my dog and i ran 1132 00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:42.909 as fast as i could Back to the house. And 1133 00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:47.829 so he's come face to face with this ghost. Vicki 1134 00:56:47.989 --> 00:56:51.489 is having issues. Rob is not sleeping. You know, the 1135 00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:54.989 kids actually had a party one night. Joe and his 1136 00:56:55.070 --> 00:56:59.650 friend were there and Joe was actually almost. I guess 1137 00:56:59.690 --> 00:57:02.690 you'd call it strangled by

invisible hands. He was in 1138 00:57:02.730 --> 00:57:06.710 the pool. All of a sudden, he said, I felt fingers. 1139 00:57:06.789 --> 00:57:09.909 I could feel each individual finger around my neck. 1140 00:57:10.289 --> 00:57:12.110 And he fought and fought. 1141 00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:15.840 And finally, when his friend jumped in, who was just 1142 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:20.559 dumbfounded at everything that was going on, whatever had Joe 1143 00:57:20.659 --> 00:57:25.539 released him. He constantly had these issues with the door knocking. 1144 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:28.219 There was one night where. 1145 00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.340 Joe had set up security cameras as well on the 1146 00:57:32.550 --> 00:57:35.570 inside of his home and on the outside. 1147 00:57:35.889 --> 00:57:36.949 Well, he was watching. 1148 00:57:37.010 --> 00:57:40.809 He heard the knocking one night. He went outside. This 1149 00:57:40.849 --> 00:57:44.670 time there was nothing there. He finally got back to sleep. 1150 00:57:45.269 --> 00:57:47.829 But the next morning when he woke up to check 1151 00:57:47.869 --> 00:57:51.610 the security cameras, you can see the door knocker. It 1152 00:57:51.650 --> 00:57:54.170 was a big, heavy door latch. You know, those big 1153 00:57:54.250 --> 00:57:58.369 metal ones. He said, you can see it. coming all 1154 00:57:58.409 --> 00:58:02.389 the way up and slamming down. And he said it 1155 00:58:02.469 --> 00:58:06.429 did that four times. He, Joe actually set up some 1156 00:58:06.570 --> 00:58:13.449 EVP sessions. He would get growls and like guttural sounds, whispers, 1157 00:58:13.570 --> 00:58:16.659 but nothing, no distinctive words. 1158 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.760 He couldn't hear. I mean, you couldn't make anything out. 1159 00:58:19.820 --> 00:58:20.059 Yes. 1160 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:25.119 The next thing would be Rob, Vicki and Joe decided that, Hey, 1161 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.110 let's go kind of, scope out our property. This is 1162 00:58:29.190 --> 00:58:32.050 our property. Let's go digging around and see what we 1163 00:58:32.090 --> 00:58:35.760 can find. The very first bone that they found, Joe 1164 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.269 found it. 1165 00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:37.340 It was a femur. 1166 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.800 They dug it out of the leaves. It wasn't even buried, Jerry. 1167 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.059 It was sticking out of the leaves where you could 1168 00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:50.280 actually see it with the naked eye. So I find 1169 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.659 that strange. I don't know if maybe they were meant 1170 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.019 to find that. They had kept looking and they found 1171 00:58:56.780 --> 00:59:01.329 nine other bones, but I actually verified this with Mr. 1172 00:59:01.389 --> 00:59:05.829 Graves because it blew me away. They also found, probably 1173 00:59:05.869 --> 00:59:11.420 within three feet of that femur, a red t-shirt. Wow. a, yeah, 1174 00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.900 it was a red t-shirt that it was ripped kind 1175 00:59:15.940 --> 00:59:19.889 of in the abdomen area. And Rob had said, it 1176 00:59:19.989 --> 00:59:24.070 looked like, like if someone grabbed the front of your t-shirt, 1177 00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:26.750 if you're in a fight and you turn to, to 1178 00:59:26.809 --> 00:59:30.869 run away, and it rips. He actually, this t-shirt, I 1179 00:59:30.889 --> 00:59:33.630 don't know if it was polo or something like that, 1180 00:59:34.150 --> 00:59:37.670 but he actually traced it back to the date of 1181 00:59:37.730 --> 00:59:41.869 this style of t-shirt. The date matches the same year 1182 00:59:42.130 --> 00:59:45.610 that the last victim went missing. Was it his shirt? 1183 00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:49.929 I think so, but they turned everything over to authorities 1184 00:59:50.190 --> 00:59:54.800 who were investigating it, They, you know, everyone knows that 1185 00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:58.500 Baumeister pretty much would strangle his victims. He would then 1186 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:04.460 dismember them and bury them at different places within the home. 1187 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:10.989 Police then investigated it when, after Baumeister's suicide, the investigation 1188 01:00:11.030 --> 01:00:14.929 kind of died off. But beforehand, Julia had allowed them 1189 01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:20.329 access into the home. And these are seasoned law enforcement officers. 1190 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.019 who have come in, I mean, they even had the 1191 01:00:23.139 --> 01:00:28.519 FBI come in, and every one of those officers said, 1192 01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:33.210 when you walk in that pool area, you just feel it. 1193 01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:36.500 It's evil. They said, you can feel the evil. 1194 01:00:36.820 --> 01:00:41.099 So, like I said, after Baumeister's suicide, they kind of, 1195 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:44.219 they kept looking. Like you said, they found over 52 1196 01:00:44.219 --> 01:00:48.570 bone fragments. They actually came along, I believe, not even 1197 01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:53.199 10 years ago, I believe they still found, you know, 1198 01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:58.280 they're constantly finding them. But he's believed to have killed, 1199 01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:02.840 you know, 20 people was the last number that I had. 1200 01:01:03.219 --> 01:01:06.610 He did the same thing to each one of these victims. 1201 01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:11.010 He strangled them. He dismembered them and buried them. And 1202 01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:15.610 everything was done. All of those murders were done in jail. pool, 1203 01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.969 that indoor pool area. There's been several paranormal investigators that 1204 01:01:20.010 --> 01:01:22.699 have gone in there. I'm sure, Jerry, you've seen a 1205 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.780 lot of their quote evidence. Some of it was a 1206 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:29.000 little far-fetched to me. I tend to lean more on 1207

01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.980 the side of, you know, evidence. For me, that red 1208 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:37.139 t-shirt blew me away. I mean, someone out there, you know, 1209 01:01:37.389 --> 01:01:39.710 put that there. I say someone, I mean a ghost. 1210 01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:42.949 I do believe that place will constantly, I don't think 1211 01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.150 it will ever not be haunted because like one of 1212 01:01:46.190 --> 01:01:50.869 the law enforcement officers said, it's pure evil. Baumeister lured 1213 01:01:50.929 --> 01:01:54.710 these men knowing that he was going to kill them, 1214 01:01:55.050 --> 01:01:57.730 knowing that they weren't going to go home at night. 1215 01:01:58.230 --> 01:02:02.059 So I do believe that every one of those victims 1216 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.820 is probably still there. And I think they will continue 1217 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.920 to haunt the premises for as long as, I mean, 1218 01:02:10.539 --> 01:02:13.360 until they can get answers. And the sad thing is, 1219 01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:16.840 is that this case has gone cold and there's no 1220 01:02:17.139 --> 01:02:22.510 new updates since 1999, I believe is the last update. 1221 01:02:22.659 --> 01:02:26.110 That kind of That leads to a definite haunting, I 1222 01:02:26.130 --> 01:02:30.530 would think. But that's the story of Fox Hollow Farm. 1223 01:02:30.750 --> 01:02:33.329 Well, and then, you know, like you said, when the 1224 01:02:33.389 --> 01:02:35.989 heat got turned up, he fled to Canada. 1225 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.260 Canada and committed suicide. 1226 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.840 Yeah, and his attorney was trying to find him because 1227 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.639 he had a divorce going on during all this. And 1228 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.300 the attorney ended up contacting a judge saying he couldn't 1229 01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:51.340 find his client. But that's when they found his body 1230 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.239 after he had killed himself. He left a suicide note, 1231 01:02:54.260 --> 01:02:57.260 but he didn't mention anything in the suicide note about 1232 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.679 the deaths or anything. 1233 01:02:58.820 --> 01:02:59.300 He didn't. 1234 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.539 He apologized to his wife. Jerry, what exactly did. 1235 01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:04.079 I don't. 1236 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:08.119 Remember what his reasoning was. I say reasoning. I know 1237 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.570 he apologized to Julia. Did he mention financial distress as 1238 01:03:12.630 --> 01:03:15.110 a reason? I don't remember what the reason was. 1239 01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:17.650 Yeah, I don't remember the suicide note. I just know 1240 01:03:17.690 --> 01:03:21.380 that he didn't make any mention or any confession. at 1241 01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:23.619 all of anybody that was missing. But like I said, 1242 01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.679 there were people all over the Midwest from the

80s 1243 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:29.929 and the 90s that were missing that, you know, they 1244 01:03:30.190 --> 01:03:31.829 think he had a part of going all the way 1245 01:03:31.869 --> 01:03:34.409 back to, like you said, even his friend at an 1246 01:03:34.469 --> 01:03:37.650 earlier time in life. So there's no tellings how many 1247 01:03:37.710 --> 01:03:40.630 people were actually involved in this. It could be, you know, 30, 40, 1248 01:03:40.630 --> 01:03:42.269 50 people for all anybody knows. 1249 01:03:42.699 --> 01:03:43.030 Right. 1250 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:48.320 I mean, documented, it's from 1980 to 1996. But like 1251 01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:52.599 you said, Jerry, when he was as young as 16, 17, 1252 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.019 you know, who who knows how many missing, you know, 1253 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:59.380 missing persons could be attributed to this. And, you know, 1254 01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:02.909 of course, it's that area is going to be haunted. I, 1255 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.119 you know, of course, I would love to actually get 1256 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.239 my hands on it and do some hands on investigating 1257 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:10.730 from the paranormal. 1258 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:10.820 Side of it. 1259 01:04:10.949 --> 01:04:13.730 But at the same time, you know, that this story 1260 01:04:13.869 --> 01:04:16.769 is one of those that, you know, it's been years since. 1261 01:04:16.690 --> 01:04:18.730 I did it. But I dug out all my. 1262 01:04:18.630 --> 01:04:22.809 Notes and going over it, even just this evening, Jerry, 1263 01:04:22.869 --> 01:04:25.269 before we talk, it gives me the chills. 1264 01:04:25.650 --> 01:04:28.119 I mean, this one creeped me out. And I don't 1265 01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:29.440 know if it's because there's a. 1266 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.800 True crime aspect to it, but if you think about it, 1267 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:36.639 the majority of our hauntings that are discussed on Hillbilly 1268 01:04:36.659 --> 01:04:41.230 Horror Stories kind of tie back to a murder or 1269 01:04:41.369 --> 01:04:45.130 a sudden death. And I think that's why places are 1270 01:04:45.170 --> 01:04:47.650 haunted because these people want answers. 1271 01:04:48.610 --> 01:04:51.349 Cruelty in general. I mean, like we were talking earlier 1272 01:04:51.429 --> 01:04:54.550 off the air about our trip to New Orleans and 1273 01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:57.539 Places we wanted to visit. When you talk about Madame 1274 01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.559 Lalaurie's house, I mean, it was torturing of slaves. When 1275 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.630 you talk about Myrtle's plantation, once again, it involves cruelty 1276 01:05:05.650 --> 01:05:10.269 to slaves and killing of children, which we'll believe what 1277 01:05:10.289 --> 01:05:12.679 we want to believe because most people say that's just 1278 01:05:12.739 --> 01:05:16.699 a fictitious story. But a lot of these stories, you know, 1279 01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:19.519 they do change. tend to lead back to some kind 1280 01:05:19.579 --> 01:05:22.619 of cruelty, whether it be murder or just in general. 1281 01:05:22.940 --> 01:05:23.639 Exactly. 1282 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.860 And I think that a lot of times people, if 1283 01:05:27.980 --> 01:05:32.179 it involves cruelty or especially, you know, children, things like that, 1284 01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:35.630 people will just, they'll push it away and, no, that 1285 01:05:35.670 --> 01:05:36.510 didn't happen. 1286 01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:37.710 That's not true. 1287 01:05:38.289 --> 01:05:40.750 But the fact is that if you look into the 1288 01:05:40.809 --> 01:05:45.510 majority of these cases, they go back to a violent death, 1289 01:05:45.710 --> 01:05:51.369 violent or sudden or... you know, someone that died at 1290 01:05:51.389 --> 01:05:54.809 the hands of evil, you know, whatever that evil may be, 1291 01:05:54.889 --> 01:05:55.530 man or woman. 1292 01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:01.019 Andrea, as usual, I really appreciate you coming on, but 1293 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.380 you're working on another show that we've actually been working 1294 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:05.380 on together for. 1295 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.119 Months now, but you're... And I'm so excited. 1296 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.550 One time when we were talking, I mentioned the fact 1297 01:06:10.590 --> 01:06:13.929 that I bet these, uh, some of these law enforcement 1298 01:06:13.969 --> 01:06:17.099 officers would have some cool stories and you've gathered five 1299 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.530 or six and some of these guys are sheriffs and, and, 1300 01:06:20.690 --> 01:06:24.000 and higher ups in the, uh, police departments, and we're 1301 01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:26.400 going to put together a show that's nothing but their 1302 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.440 paranormal stories. 1303 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.400 And what I'm looking forward to is that I have 1304 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.440 one for sure who is actually going to conference in 1305 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.940 with us, and he is going to tell you the 1306 01:06:36.980 --> 01:06:41.179 story in his own words. And that's what I'm looking 1307 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.239 forward to. It's very hard to get your law enforcement 1308 01:06:44.300 --> 01:06:45.420 officers to open. 1309 01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:46.590 Up about things like this. 1310 01:06:46.659 --> 01:06:49.710 So, you know, with a lot of A lot of 1311 01:06:49.730 --> 01:06:52.969 convincing and some more convincing and a lot of donuts. 1312 01:06:53.190 --> 01:06:54.489 I kid you not, donuts. 1313 01:06:55.469 --> 01:06:57.449 That's not stereotyping at all. 1314 01:07:00.869 --> 01:07:05.929 I mean, seriously, I have bought so many donuts. It's crazy. 1315 01:07:06.429 --> 01:07:10.570 But I have gotten three DPS troopers and I have 1316 01:07:10.909 --> 01:07:15.070 a sheriff, one of our local county sheriffs, and I 1317

01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:18.920 have two officers. So I think that, you know, we're 1318 01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.559 off to a great start. I would like to get 1319 01:07:21.579 --> 01:07:23.360 a few more stories in there. 1320 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:23.900 I'd like to. 1321 01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:26.739 Have 10 stories, you know, and these are guys that 1322 01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:29.400 are actually going to allow me to use their name, 1323 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.619 which is unheard of. But some of these stories, you know, 1324 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.079 I can give you, if you have time, I can 1325 01:07:37.099 --> 01:07:39.519 give you a little bit of a teaser if you'd like. 1326 01:07:39.619 --> 01:07:42.389 Give me a teaser and we'll reflect back that the 1327 01:07:42.449 --> 01:07:44.929 reason this came about the very first time you were 1328 01:07:44.989 --> 01:07:47.940 on the show. We talked about a house. Was it 1329 01:07:47.980 --> 01:07:52.480 in Kirbyville? It was in Kirbyville, yeah. And there was 1330 01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.320 a house that you did a story on, and one 1331 01:07:54.340 --> 01:07:56.320 of the officers said that he would go by, and 1332 01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:58.260 there was like a, what was it, a stand-up base, 1333 01:07:59.099 --> 01:07:59.639 I believe. 1334 01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.159 Yeah, it was a stand-up base, and it was on 1335 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:06.530 like an antique stand. So, yeah, it was a heavy base. 1336 01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:09.230 And this house was vacant at the time. And when 1337 01:08:09.429 --> 01:08:11.730 he went by, he noticed that it was in the 1338 01:08:11.769 --> 01:08:13.349 window at one point. And when he came back by, 1339 01:08:13.369 --> 01:08:16.189 it wasn't in the window. And that's what kind of 1340 01:08:16.220 --> 01:08:19.359 got us on this kick of law enforcement officers and 1341 01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:23.159 the stories they might have. And so this actually, it's 1342 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.310 been over a year since you came on the first time. 1343 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.689 So this has been kind of in the works for 1344 01:08:27.750 --> 01:08:28.369 over a year now. 1345 01:08:29.409 --> 01:08:32.569 It has, and it's one of those shows that I 1346 01:08:32.649 --> 01:08:35.609 want to make sure that everything is perfect. You know, 1347 01:08:35.630 --> 01:08:40.250 I want all of my stories to be good. But because, 1348 01:08:40.529 --> 01:08:43.029 you know, we've both kind of been working at this 1349 01:08:43.109 --> 01:08:47.720 for so long, and I wanted stories not just, oh, yeah, 1350 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.060 teenage kid, you know, thought he saw his bedroom light, 1351 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:52.800 come on, you know, and we had to go out. 1352 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:56.590 I don't want things like that. I want some... gritty 1353 01:08:56.989 --> 01:09:00.140 good stories that will blow you away and that's what 1354 01:09:00.149

--> 01:09:02.569 we've got. So I'm looking forward to it. 1355 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:03.859 So you have a teaser for us? 1356 01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:08.399 I do. And actually, the gentleman, his name is Paul Brister. 1357 01:09:08.619 --> 01:09:12.460 He is one of the first law enforcement officers that 1358 01:09:12.500 --> 01:09:13.020 I thought of. 1359 01:09:13.430 --> 01:09:16.489 He is the police chief in Carbyville, a little bitty 1360 01:09:16.529 --> 01:09:17.430 town in Carbyville. 1361 01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:22.960 And he actually has been there, gosh, he's been. 1362 01:09:22.819 --> 01:09:26.100 There for a long time. But during. 1363 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:29.560 When he was a, before he became police chief, he 1364 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.340 was just, he was a deputy with Jasper County. This 1365 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.960 is kind of another true crime one, but it's a 1366 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:38.359 lot shorter. There was a man who, I don't know 1367 01:09:38.390 --> 01:09:41.170 if you're familiar with Beaumont. Right outside of Beaumont is 1368 01:09:41.189 --> 01:09:44.649 a town called Orange. And this man who was high 1369 01:09:44.750 --> 01:09:48.050 on drugs, he was on meth, jumped a train and 1370 01:09:48.170 --> 01:09:51.979 rode a train from Orange County to Newton County. He then, 1371 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.779 he had gotten in a fight with his girlfriend and 1372 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.380 he had beat her up pretty bad. And so he 1373 01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:00.960 was running from the law. Well, he finds, he jumps 1374 01:10:01.020 --> 01:10:04.659 the train. He finds a trailer kind of in a 1375 01:10:04.699 --> 01:10:08.319 rural area in Kirbyville. And he goes in, he has 1376 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.739 a gun. He, the mom, her name is Gwen and 1377 01:10:11.899 --> 01:10:14.600 actually knows his family. Cause you know, in a small town, 1378 01:10:14.619 --> 01:10:18.090 you know, everybody. Gwen was asleep on the couch. She 1379 01:10:18.149 --> 01:10:21.390 has three daughters, one who is asleep on the couch 1380 01:10:21.449 --> 01:10:24.529 with her, two that are upstairs. This man, she, he 1381 01:10:24.569 --> 01:10:27.829 knocks on the door. Gwen thinks it's her brother Anthony. 1382 01:10:27.930 --> 01:10:30.710 She opens the door. He knocks her down. He shoots 1383 01:10:30.750 --> 01:10:34.010 her in the arm. The girls, the one that was 1384 01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:38.250 on the couch, sat up. They were nine, six, and four. 1385 01:10:38.329 --> 01:10:40.989 He shot her point blank in the chest. The other 1386 01:10:41.050 --> 01:10:44.850 two little girls were coming downstairs. Gwen managed to get 1387 01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:48.899 up and try to block the, like, she kind of, 1388 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.460 the girls were behind her, and she had her arms 1389 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:55.949 kind of behind her, but around her girls, and He 1390 01:10:55.989 --> 01:11:00.300 shot Gwen in

the abdomen, and he then proceeded to 1391 01:11:00.939 --> 01:11:02.060 shoot both of the. 1392 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.039 Other little girls. 1393 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.569 One survived, and she actually had to testify, and it 1394 01:11:08.609 --> 01:11:11.630 was just, it was a horrific scene, but these little 1395 01:11:11.670 --> 01:11:15.789 girls are buried in the Kirbyville Cemetery. It's one of 1396 01:11:15.869 --> 01:11:20.390 those graves that No matter how long it's been, it's 1397 01:11:20.430 --> 01:11:23.449 still full of flowers. People just, they just, they can't 1398 01:11:23.510 --> 01:11:25.949 seem to grasp what happened. It was so, it was 1399 01:11:26.010 --> 01:11:29.189 just bad. Well, Chief was working in Jasper County at 1400 01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:32.979 this time, and after it happened, probably two years after, 1401 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.359 he got the job as police chief in Kirby. So 1402 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.079 he moved to Kirbyville, and he, you know, started doing 1403 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:42.850 his job. Well, Chief Say what he wants, but Chief 1404 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.920 likes ghost stories. He will tell you that he doesn't, 1405 01:11:45.979 --> 01:11:48.560 but he's just, he's a big fibber. I know for 1406 01:11:48.579 --> 01:11:51.399 a fact he loves it. So there was a paranormal 1407 01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.189 group that had come out. It was just a little 1408 01:11:54.229 --> 01:11:56.569 bitty group. I think they were out of Jasper. And 1409 01:11:56.949 --> 01:11:59.710 they had come out. They were going to investigate this 1410 01:11:59.770 --> 01:12:04.710 cemetery because there's a so-called witch's grave. And I can't 1411 01:12:04.750 --> 01:12:08.250 verify any of that. So I don't think that that's correct. 1412 01:12:08.369 --> 01:12:11.390 But Chief was out there. He went with them because 1413 01:12:11.430 --> 01:12:14.000 they were going to be doing an investigation at night. 1414 01:12:14.500 --> 01:12:15.819 He did not know them. 1415 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.199 So he wanted to be present to make sure that, 1416 01:12:19.779 --> 01:12:22.520 you know, everything was accounted for. Nobody got in trouble, 1417 01:12:22.539 --> 01:12:25.119 did anything they weren't supposed to do. And I'm sure 1418 01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.819 Chief was just kind of interested too. Well, you know, 1419 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.140 in cemeteries, how you have little kind of inroads that 1420 01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.789 go you know, throughout the cemetery. Well, they were walking 1421 01:12:35.189 --> 01:12:40.010 and Chief bent over and he said, I can't breathe. 1422 01:12:40.869 --> 01:12:44.270 And one of the girls said, she was a paramedic. 1423 01:12:44.310 --> 01:12:47.670 She said, well, what's going on? He said, I can't breathe. 1424 01:12:48.109 --> 01:12:50.090 I think I'm having a heart attack. You need to 1425 01:12:50.130 --> 01:12:53.850 call 911. I mean, he was

bent over. He was 1426 01:12:54.020 --> 01:12:56.789 on his knees on the ground. She said that he 1427 01:12:56.869 --> 01:13:01.029 was just as white as a goat. And so she, 1428 01:13:01.149 --> 01:13:03.310 you know, she's like, okay, we've got to, you know, 1429 01:13:03.350 --> 01:13:05.470 we've got to get him out of here. So they 1430 01:13:05.489 --> 01:13:07.369 were trying to get him back to the car. They 1431 01:13:07.430 --> 01:13:11.909 got him up. And within 10 steps, he was fine. 1432 01:13:12.149 --> 01:13:15.750 I mean, not even one minute had passed. His color 1433 01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:19.649 came back. He could breathe. He was fine. Do you 1434 01:13:19.689 --> 01:13:23.590 know where that took place at? where he lost his 1435 01:13:23.670 --> 01:13:26.350 breath and thought he was having a heart attack was 1436 01:13:26.470 --> 01:13:29.810 right at that little girl's grave that had gotten shot 1437 01:13:29.850 --> 01:13:33.529 in the heart. It's sad, and I hate to tell 1438 01:13:33.569 --> 01:13:38.329 that story, but Chief will probably come on and tell 1439 01:13:38.369 --> 01:13:41.649 you that story in his own words because he said, 1440 01:13:41.729 --> 01:13:47.640 that's one of the things that changed my mind towards paranormal. 1441 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.979 He said, I know I was not having a heart attack. 1442 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:55.289 I know now what it was. I mean, he was, 1443 01:13:55.869 --> 01:13:59.029 he went down on his knees in front of her grave. 1444 01:13:59.140 --> 01:14:00.729 So it's a very sad story. 1445 01:14:00.939 --> 01:14:01.189 I know. 1446 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.039 I hate to end on a sad story. 1447 01:14:03.340 --> 01:14:06.359 I hate that, but you know, it just, it goes 1448 01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:08.600 to show you that there are, you know, there's things 1449 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:12.079 out there that we don't understand and there's things out 1450 01:14:12.100 --> 01:14:14.779 there that we're not supposed to understand yet, but that 1451 01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:19.000 doesn't mean that we can't embrace them and try to 1452 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.189 try to learn from everything. That's what As always, I 1453 01:14:23.229 --> 01:14:27.409 can remember being, I started reading at a very early age. 1454 01:14:27.829 --> 01:14:31.279 And my mom brought me to a store called The Bookstop. 1455 01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:34.340 And she said, okay, you know, here's the children. I 1456 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.199 think I was like four. She said, okay, here's the 1457 01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:40.220 children's section, this, that, and the other. And she said 1458 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:44.350 the next thing she knew, I brought back scary stories 1459 01:14:44.409 --> 01:14:44.989 to tell. 1460 01:14:44.829 --> 01:14:46.250 In the dark. And I was three. 1461 01:14:46.270 --> 01:14:49.710 Okay. Sounds like destiny. 1462 01:14:49.869 --> 01:14:50.210 I know. 1463 01:14:50.289 --> 01:14:54.050 She said, well, at least she's reading, you know. But 1464 01:14:54.310 --> 01:14:57.010 I do look forward to. OK, I know I've been 1465 01:14:57.050 --> 01:14:59.720 on way too long, but I'm sorry, Jerry. I just 1466 01:14:59.779 --> 01:15:02.399 can't leave us with that sad story. So can I 1467 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.439 just tell can I tell a funny one? 1468 01:15:04.579 --> 01:15:05.079 Sure. 1469 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:07.119 OK, this is. 1470 01:15:07.100 --> 01:15:10.569 From Sheriff Billy Rolls, who will this is the one 1471 01:15:10.590 --> 01:15:12.369 that I want to get on on to tell stories. 1472 01:15:12.779 --> 01:15:16.239 to tell you his story too. Billy is an older gentleman. 1473 01:15:16.380 --> 01:15:20.180 He's very decorated. He was a state trooper. This was 1474 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:24.340 in 1972. And we have an area out here in 1475 01:15:24.380 --> 01:15:28.119 the Piney Woods called Devil's Pocket. And I don't know 1476 01:15:28.180 --> 01:15:31.779 why it's called that. It's just always been called Devil's Pocket. 1477 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.819 Devil's Pocket is a, it's a dirt, one dirt road in, 1478 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:37.899 it's one in and out. 1479 01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:38.479 That's it. 1480 01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:43.430 And it's very, people out there are very Backwoods, they 1481 01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:47.670 choose to live that way. They don't bother anyone, but 1482 01:15:47.770 --> 01:15:52.770 they're just Backwoods people. Well, Billy got a call when 1483 01:15:52.810 --> 01:15:58.149 he was a trooper in 1972 that there was a 1484 01:15:58.350 --> 01:16:00.729 UFO in this lady's tomato patch. 1485 01:16:02.890 --> 01:16:05.029 And he said, oh, okay. 1486 01:16:06.050 --> 01:16:10.449 Okay, well, when someone calls 911, no matter how silly 1487 01:16:10.510 --> 01:16:13.920 it is, if they want an officer, they get an officer. 1488 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.260 So Billy being the newbie where he got the call. 1489 01:16:18.899 --> 01:16:22.560 So he goes out there, he said, and he said, 1490 01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:24.420 I drive up, I get out of the car. 1491 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.739 And, you know, Billy talks with a very country accent. 1492 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.920 He said, I get out the car and I look 1493 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.079 at her and she's got a 12 gauge shotgun sitting 1494 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.529 in a rocking chair. And And I said, ma'am, can 1495 01:16:37.590 --> 01:16:39.810 I help you? You know, what's going on? And she said, 1496 01:16:40.270 --> 01:16:43.989 you just missed it. There was a flying saucer in 1497 01:16:44.050 --> 01:16:51.510 my tomatoes. And he ruined my tomatoes. So Billy said, well, ma'am, 1498 01:16:52.109 --> 01:16:57.640 did you get the license plate? And she looked at 1499 01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.800 him and she said, I don't appreciate you being funny. 1500 01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:03.560 And you may have a gun, but mine's

bigger than yours. 1501 01:17:05.890 --> 01:17:09.550 So anyway, he took the report and he said, I 1502 01:17:09.590 --> 01:17:13.630 didn't see any evidence of any flying saucer, but some 1503 01:17:13.689 --> 01:17:15.310 of her tomatoes were squished. 1504 01:17:15.630 --> 01:17:16.250 So who knows? 1505 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:21.350 That's like some of my family members. 1506 01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:25.039 So there you go. But it's a lot funnier when 1507 01:17:25.060 --> 01:17:26.119 you hear Billy tell it. 1508 01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:29.020 So hopefully, you know, I'll have him kind of give 1509 01:17:29.060 --> 01:17:30.159 his rendition of it. 1510 01:17:31.180 --> 01:17:33.760 So, We talked a little bit earlier about all the 1511 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:35.590 fun stuff we're going to do in New Orleans. So 1512 01:17:35.909 --> 01:17:37.850 you and your husband are going to tag along with 1513 01:17:37.869 --> 01:17:42.229 me and Tracy probably to Myrtles, probably to the cemeteries 1514 01:17:42.270 --> 01:17:46.250 to see Marie Laveau. And then you wanted to go 1515 01:17:46.409 --> 01:17:47.630 out to, what's the name of the swamp? 1516 01:17:48.569 --> 01:17:49.800 Manchac Swamp. 1517 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:51.439 Manchac Swamp. 1518 01:17:51.460 --> 01:17:52.140 Yes. 1519 01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:53.840 And the last I. 1520 01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:55.260 Heard, the only way you could get out there is 1521 01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:56.979 to take a tour by swamp boat. 1522 01:17:57.220 --> 01:18:00.399 That's right. That's the only way that I know of 1523 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:00.840 as well. 1524 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.159 So we will have a lot of fun stories to 1525 01:18:04.220 --> 01:18:08.100 tell after our trip to New Orleans in August. 1526 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.359 Yes, we will. And we'll have lots of pictures for 1527 01:18:11.380 --> 01:18:13.479 the Instagram, too. Yay! 1528 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.989 Well, that's right. I forgot we got Instagram, too. I 1529 01:18:18.989 --> 01:18:19.970 always forget to post. 1530 01:18:20.750 --> 01:18:25.270 I know, because I always forget, too, because I gravitate 1531 01:18:25.310 --> 01:18:28.979 towards Facebook. But I'm sure Natasha will have a lovely 1532 01:18:29.029 --> 01:18:31.260 time putting up all the pictures that we send her. 1533 01:18:31.300 --> 01:18:35.560 And some of those will probably be quite funny. 1534 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:40.159 Andrea, thank you so much. Tell everybody again what newspaper 1535 01:18:40.180 --> 01:18:41.800 you work for and how they can find you online. 1536 01:18:42.130 --> 01:18:46.079 Yes, I work for the Jasper Newsboy. You can find 1537 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.970 us at jaspernewsboy.com. You can also find us on Facebook. 1538 01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.720 That's pretty much where we try to keep everybody updated. 1539 01:18:53.819 --> 01:18:56.520 We're a weekly paper, but I try to update, you know, 1540 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.220 as much as I can on Facebook daily. And that's 1541 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:03.149 just facebook.com forward slash Jasper Newsboy. You can find me 1542 01:19:03.229 --> 01:19:08.109 on Facebook too, just under Andrea, Andrea Whitney. So I 1543 01:19:08.270 --> 01:19:12.109 really appreciate you guys having me on again, Jerry. It's 1544 01:19:12.229 --> 01:19:14.689 always such an honor. It really is. 1545 01:19:15.430 --> 01:19:17.989 Well, everybody loves listening to you, so we're glad to 1546 01:19:18.029 --> 01:19:20.270 have you on. And thank you so much for making 1547 01:19:20.329 --> 01:19:23.189 it time for us and actually getting this accomplished on 1548 01:19:23.229 --> 01:19:23.949 the first try. 1549 01:19:24.909 --> 01:19:25.409 I know. 1550 01:19:25.529 --> 01:19:26.130 It's crazy. 1551 01:19:26.149 --> 01:19:28.470 You know, I was still an hour late, but hey, 1552 01:19:28.569 --> 01:19:30.970 we got it done. I was an hour late. 1553 01:19:31.250 --> 01:19:33.270 It happened on the same day, and that's a plus. 1554 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:38.300 Yes, and I do want to say to the listeners 1555 01:19:38.380 --> 01:19:41.949 that I appreciate all the feedback and the kind words 1556 01:19:42.050 --> 01:19:44.470 whenever I was going through all that with Dennis. I 1557 01:19:44.529 --> 01:19:49.729 will keep everyone updated as things progress, and hopefully we'll 1558 01:19:49.770 --> 01:19:51.109 get some news. 1559 01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:56.949 I hope so. Sounds like a plan. I'll keep everybody updated. 1560 01:19:56.979 --> 01:20:00.279 All right, babe. We will see you in New Orleans 1561 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:01.180 in a month and a half. 1562 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:01.840 I know. 1563 01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.020 I cannot wait. I am so ready. All right, babe. 1564 01:20:05.300 --> 01:20:05.720 See you then. 1565 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.159 All right. Thank you so much. 1566 01:20:09.060 --> 01:20:11.350 As usual, Andrea does not disappoint. 1567 01:20:11.750 --> 01:20:15.710 No, she doesn't. She's really a good storyteller, I think, 1568 01:20:15.789 --> 01:20:16.189 as well. 1569 01:20:16.390 --> 01:20:18.029 She is, and what's good about her is, I mean, 1570 01:20:18.069 --> 01:20:21.550 she literally has been a reporter for a big part 1571 01:20:21.569 --> 01:20:23.729 of her life. And like I said, now she's the editor-in-chief, 1572 01:20:23.750 --> 01:20:27.039 but she still gets in all these things. So she's 1573 01:20:27.100 --> 01:20:29.560 one of the few people in the country that's in 1574 01:20:29.579 --> 01:20:33.590 the newspaper industry that takes paranormal very seriously. And loves 1575 01:20:33.630 --> 01:20:36.130 to write articles on it. And that's why her articles 1576 01:20:36.229 --> 01:20:39.069 are picked up around Halloween time for papers all over 1577 01:20:39.109 --> 01:20:42.039 the country because she puts so much effort into it. 1578 01:20:42.100 --> 01:20:43.560 Yeah, she's a

pretty cool chick. 1579 01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:45.739 Yep. And she's going to follow us around in New 1580 01:20:45.819 --> 01:20:48.159 Orleans and some of the other podcasts down there. And 1581 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.270 she's on the podcast bandwagon. That's what I love about her. 1582 01:20:51.300 --> 01:20:54.520 She wrote an article on us already that's put out. 1583 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.789 She's working on another one, a follow-up on us. And 1584 01:20:57.810 --> 01:20:59.489 then we're going to tie this whole New Orleans trip 1585 01:20:59.569 --> 01:21:02.510 all in with that article. So thank you so much, Andrea. 1586 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:03.859 Yes, thank you, doll. 1587 01:21:04.939 --> 01:21:08.680 Guys, looking forward to next week. We don't mention it 1588 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:10.300 very much on here. We do it a little bit 1589 01:21:10.340 --> 01:21:17.460 at the end. But Patreon, you guys are always looking 1590 01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.220 out for us. We greatly appreciate that. If you would 1591 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:23.640 like to help the show out financially, and maybe someday, eventually, 1592 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:26.000 I can get out of my crappy job. I didn't 1593 01:21:26.020 --> 01:21:28.399 mean that. I love my job. If anybody that works 1594 01:21:28.420 --> 01:21:32.380 with me is listening. But... You know, a little bit 1595 01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.380 of money, if you throw it our way, you get 1596 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.520 some extra episodes. And we're working on possibly doing a 1597 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.659 little bit of change for the first episode. I've got 1598 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.079 a poll up. We'll see what happens because the very 1599 01:21:42.619 --> 01:21:45.060 first of the month, we have another Patreon episode coming out. 1600 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.949 We usually do listener stories only on that first episode. 1601 01:21:50.430 --> 01:21:53.430 The second episode of the month, which comes out on 1602 01:21:53.449 --> 01:21:55.949 the 15th, is much like a regular story like you 1603 01:21:55.970 --> 01:21:58.090 heard today. We don't do any interviews or anything on those. 1604 01:21:58.430 --> 01:22:01.659 It's about 45 minutes of us telling stories. stories just 1605 01:22:01.729 --> 01:22:05.029 like the lighthouse story and sometimes they're a couple small 1606 01:22:05.069 --> 01:22:08.609 sometimes it's true crime and sometimes it's paranormal sometimes it's 1607 01:22:08.649 --> 01:22:11.390 a mixture of both but the first episode is you 1608 01:22:11.409 --> 01:22:14.909 guys calling in and telling us your stories and after 1609 01:22:14.949 --> 01:22:16.750 a year doing that i think we might change it 1610 01:22:16.789 --> 01:22:18.390 up a little bit we put up a poll on 1611 01:22:18.409 --> 01:22:21.909 our patreon and it seems like most people are leaning 1612 01:22:21.989 --> 01:22:25.220 towards still doing some of the calls but mixing in 1613 01:22:25.260 --> 01:22:27.539 some of the stories and just doing a little half 1614 01:22:27.579 --> 01:22:30.239 and half So that's probably what it looks like we 1615 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:31.819 may be doing on this next one. But I'm going 1616 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:33.359 to leave the poll up for a couple more days 1617 01:22:33.739 --> 01:22:36.479 and give some people more time to jump in. So 1618 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.619 if you are hearing this and haven't seen that poll, 1619 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:43.020 go on to Patreon and look at your notifications and 1620 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:44.890 log in so we can make a decision on that. 1621 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:47.970 And I guess I'm going to try to wrap. 1622 01:22:48.850 --> 01:22:49.130 Yes. 1623 01:22:49.409 --> 01:22:50.170 Sorry, everybody. 1624 01:22:50.189 --> 01:22:53.470 The return of Tracy Rapps for the 100th episode. 1625 01:22:53.810 --> 01:22:54.630 Oh, my gosh. 1626 01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.560 Yeah, it's the gift that keeps on giving, really. 1627 01:22:58.779 --> 01:22:59.659 Is that what you call it? 1628 01:22:59.699 --> 01:22:59.920 Yeah. 1629 01:23:00.100 --> 01:23:01.479 No, I call it torture. 1630 01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:04.210 And you guys all weighed in on this, and there 1631 01:23:04.229 --> 01:23:06.810 was a couple of them that were neck and neck, 1632 01:23:07.029 --> 01:23:09.130 but we've decided on Ice Ice Baby. 1633 01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:10.890 Well, we'll see. 1634 01:23:11.630 --> 01:23:12.369 It's going to happen. 1635 01:23:13.649 --> 01:23:19.729 I just would like to apologize in advance. 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