2039 St Augustine Lighthouse and Fox Hollow Farm

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through the night. Mix in just a little bit of twang.
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ever change. These two here, they got the recipe. Sit
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on back and listen in to some of our darkest mysteries.
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Welcome to Hillbilly Horror Stories.
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And now here's your host, Jerry and Tracy Pauly and
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their dog Ninja.
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Hey guys, I'm Jerry.
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And I'm Tracy from Hillbilly Horror Stories.
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I am Shane Waters from the podcast Out of the Shadows.
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And I'm Justin Rimmel from Mysterious Circumstances.
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Damn, Justin, did you hear how proper and serious Shane was?
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I guess when you're a guest on Nancy Grace and
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have 1,800 people listening to you at CrimeCon, you get
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real serious.
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Okay, Shane, I need you to tell the people why
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we're doing this commercial, but I need it just as
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serious as your introduction. You can see all three of
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our shows live in Indianapolis on Saturday, July 28th. All right, Justin,
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tell them what time to be there and where they
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can get tickets.
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Showtime is 7 p.m. to 10 p.m., and the cost
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is only $ 10. Seating is limited, so get your tickets now.
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Contact any of our shows on social media to buy tickets.
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And guys, your ticket gets you unlimited access to all
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the shows involved.
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Come out, take as many pictures as you want, and
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don't forget your free hugs.
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Good evening everybody, my name is Jerry and this is
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episode 99 of Hillbilly Horror Stories and I'm joined as
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usual by my beautiful Brad Tracy.
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Hello, everybody. Happy Sunday.
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Tracy's got a little more pink in her hair than
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she did last week.
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Pink up in my hair. Yeah. No, I don't know. Well,
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at least it's not fuchsia. Because that was really bad.
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And a couple things, housekeeping things. We've got a really
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cool show for you starting tonight. But then next week
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is our 100th episode.
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It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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It is kind of unbelievable. But we've got an extra special.
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That's an extra special. I'm just throwing up my bad English.
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An extra special show next week with some special guests
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that I'm not divulging until the day of the show.
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And we're going to do a topic that's been, I
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think since we started this thing, people have brought up.
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And then I keep deciding that I'm going to put
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it off for a special occasion. And I think the
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100th episode is a special occasion.
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I wonder what it is.
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I'm sure next week you'll still be wondering what it is.
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I know.
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That's the fun of it.
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We're going to do.
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I'm.
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Not going to tell you. Never mind. I'll just wait.
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You know you're going to end up saying it.
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No, I'm not. I'm going to say... Look, have I
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said who the special guest was, even though we've had
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it planned for three or four weeks now?
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No.
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No.
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But I know how you get antsy.
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I know. But this is special, so I'm not going
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to tell it. So let's just talk about tonight's episode.
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We've got Andrea Whitney on from Editor-in-Chief from... Jasper Newsboy
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out in Texas. She wrote the article on us. She's
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been on several times. And she's got another doozy tonight.
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And I'm excited about that. We're going to talk about
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the Fox Hollow Farms in Indiana, which is a mixture
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of true crime and paranormal. She did a thesis on it.
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And she's got interviews that she's done with the current owners.
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And if you're unfamiliar with this case, it's one that
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it's true crime mixed with paranormal. It's pretty awesome. It's
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kind of like the Lizzie Borden deal, except this was
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a lot more recent. This guy was a serial killer
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in Indiana back in the late 80s, early 90s, and
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found all kinds of bones and stuff on his property.
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And so they're still trying to tie this guy to stuff,
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even though he was never brought to trial. But we'll
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get into full details when we get into that part
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of the show. We're going to start off tonight's episode
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with one of the most haunted, if not the most
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haunted lighthouse in the United States. the St. Augustine Lighthouse.
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Sounds great.
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Before we get into that, you probably heard the commercial
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with Justin and Shane Waters and myself. I had to
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tell you a little bit about that commercial first. So
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we decided we were going to do something and we
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had everybody send in their individual parts. So I wrote
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up a little script and I gave it to everybody
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and said, hey, record this and send it to me.
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So we weren't obviously in the same room doing it
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or on the phone or anything doing it at the
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same time. So they left it up to me to
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put it together. And then when I listened to everybody,
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Shane's intro was so serious that I wrote Justin Rumble
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and I said, hey, I got a couple other lines
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for you to do real quick. So we kind of
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surprised Shane because the day that we put this together,
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the next day was his birthday.
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Yeah.
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So we thought it would be funny to make fun
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of how serious he was without him having a clue.
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So then we sent out the, didn't tell him any difference,
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we sent out the commercial to him and we didn't
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say anything about us making changes to it and we
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just waited till he responded. But I thought it was
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kind of funny. So we added all this stuff about
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him being serious and Justin's part about basically being serious
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because of being on Nancy Grace and stuff like that.
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So I just thought it was funny.
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It was fun.
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Anyways, the whole point of that is we have a
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live event. It's in Indy. Most of you already know that.
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It's the 28th of July. But, and this is a
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very big but, if you have bought tickets already, we
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changed the venue on this. So it is no longer
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going to be at Wave One Studios due to some
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problems that were out of our control, some change of,
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I guess you could say, employees and stuff like that.
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Things just got kind of, we thought a little bit
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screwed up, and we decided to move it to a
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different venue, but it's going to work out better for
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all of you. Here's the positives. It's going to be
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at Scotty's Brewhouse on the south side, and the address
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is on there, but it's on the south side of Indianapolis.
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This place is cool. They've got awesome food. They've got
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craft beers. They've got a back room that they've graciously
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given us to use for this event. The negative is
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we don't have as many seats there. So there's about
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26 seats left. So if you haven't bought your tickets yet,
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you want to go ahead and jump on it and
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buy it. They're only $ 10. You get all three shows.
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And like the commercial said, it's just going to be
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a big hangout with all of us. So it'll be fun.
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That's the only negative to the whole part. It's going
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to be a lot more fun, and the food's going
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to be better, drinks are going to be better, because
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the other place didn't have any foods or drinks. We
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were basically going to have some coolers and some drinks
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and some popcorn, and that's what you were going to get.
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So this is going to be 10 times better. But
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everything else is exactly the same, so I just wanted
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to let you know that if you do have tickets,
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that the venue did change, but it's for the better.
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Great.
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Also, before we get too far out, we also have
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the event... In Nashville, October 20th, Halloween season, can't get
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any better than that. Graveyard Tales, our show, Macabre Melts,
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who makes our candles, and I think they're making some
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for Graveyard Tales as well for that event. EVP Mediums
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out of Ohio are going to be there. They're going
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to tell us some of the stories that they've encountered
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during some of their, I guess, sessions at houses and
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paranormal investigating. So it's going to be a really cool show.
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So you're going to get nothing but paranormal that night.
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And the best of all, it's a place called Hale Aesthetics.
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Most people know that as Hale Nashville. This place is freaky.
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It literally is like a museum of the weird, the macabre.
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Everything in that place is skulls, animals in jars. They've got,
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you know, skeletons of stuff. They've got books on the occult.
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It is just a really cool place. So you can
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look up Hale Aesthetics. On the Google, that Google thing.
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And look at that up. And I think you'll be
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very impressed with this place. So we get to do
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this show inside. They're clearing off stuff in their showroom
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to make room to do this show in there. Oh, man.
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That's going to be fun.
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Yeah.
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Very cool. So that's also $ 10. Mm-hmm. And both of
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those are up for sale. If you go to eventbrite.com
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and just pull up, search Hillbilly Horror Stories, you can
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see both of those shows.
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Oh, cool.
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Or go to all of our social media, and we've
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all posted it.
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Mm-hmm.
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There you go. What do you think?
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I can't wait to see what all they have in
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that place.
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It's cool.
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Yeah.
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It's just a bunch of cool stuff. I mean, it's like,
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you know, like the scene where in Psycho, where the
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guy walks in to sign for his room, and it's
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like the lobby's full of all the stuffed crows.
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Oh, yeah, right.
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It's got that kind of feel to it.
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Oh, cool, man.
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It couldn't be a better place for something like we're
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going to do.
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We have to get us something creepy and bring home.
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That definitely reminds me of my younger days. I used
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to bring creepy stuff home all the time. So first
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and foremost, we want to give a big thank you
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to all of our military and civil servants all over
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the world, no matter which country you are serving. Thank
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you so much for all you do.
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Do.
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God bless you. God bless you all. Praying for you
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every day.
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I had a rough week. Actually lost two high school
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friends to suicide. So this is a little closer to
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home than normal weeks, even though it seems to always
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be out there. It's so prevalent these days. So I
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want to make sure we mention, you guys, if you
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need somebody to talk to, find somebody. There is always
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somebody willing to talk to you. And if you don't
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know anybody, use the suicide prevention line, 1-800-273-8255. I don't
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have the number written down here, but if you're a
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person that would rather text, just Google the text line
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for the same thing. And we'll have that on weeks
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going forward. We'll have that number out there. But, you know,
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there's always somebody who, is willing to help you if
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you just give them an opportunity. And, um, like I said,
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we were more than happy to help you send us
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a message, give us a call, uh, write us an email,
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whatever you need to do. Doesn't matter what time of
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day or night it is. Trust me. If somebody knows
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that you're on the verge of doing something like that,
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they will make time for you, whether you think they
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will or not.
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Yeah, absolutely. We love y'all.
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All right. Let's, uh, let's go into our iTunes reviews.
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We had a butt-ton. Butt-ton. Get it?
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Butt-ton. That's not a unit of measurement. Not even in
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the metric system, it's not. Tracy, if you'd be so kind,
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go ahead and read off the iTunes reviews, please.
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Rose Quinzel, TheBigFish54, Maybe Tomorrow, Gaming Unicycle Style, JimmyS87, RoloLikesFun,
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Chris Sloan, Harley Davidson, And I'm just going to spell
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this because I'm not sure how to pronounce it. So
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it's M-I-K-E-L-I-A-R-A-E. Thank you guys so much for your iTunes reviews.
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They have been so awesome. And we appreciate it. Keep
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it coming. And we have our Patreons for this week.
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Tina Constant, Kathy Madison, Chuck Berry, and Claire Coomer. We
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appreciate you guys so much. When you guys get time,
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if you'd like to also go check out our new
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shirt design, we have. We were so gracious to have.
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Rob Mulhorain.
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Yes.
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Paint that for us. And I still can't get over it.
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So we are putting them on T-shirts. And so far,
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so good. It's been a big hit already.
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Yeah, we've already had some ordered today. I think they
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were members of Rob's family, though.
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Oh, man.
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They are so awesome. And we just love that picture
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so much.
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So.
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We're going to start putting them on some T-shirts, and
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we can't thank Rob enough for doing that for us.
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Yeah, if you hear this and you go straight to
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the website, they're available in white, and then you can
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get them on mugs and phone cases and stuff like that.
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But if you give it a couple of days, I'll
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have it so you can get it on pretty much
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any color that you would want.
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Oh, man, it looks so good on pink and teal,
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and it looks great on black. It just looks good, period.
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It just goes with everything.
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Yeah, I'm just working on the file so I can
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put it on colors on that site.
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Yeah, so exciting.
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All right, so are we ready to jump into the St.
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Augustine lighthouse?
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I am ready, babe.
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Well, St. Augustine is known as the oldest city in
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the United States. And that says a lot because there's
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a lot of cities.
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It sure is.
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So it would make sense, obviously, that if it's one
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of the oldest cities, that it would be also the
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most haunted.
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Well, that does make sense.
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So when people think of haunted St. Augustine, one particular place,
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Location kind of usually stands out and comes to mind,
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and that is the St. Augustine Lighthouse. Jason Halls, you
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all know him from Taps and Ghost Hunters, he called
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it the Mona Lisa of paranormal sights. Whoa. And I
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think it's because it's got a crooked smile, but I'm
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not sure.
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You think that's the reason?
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You might not have anything to do with it. I
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think it's because its eyes follow you when you go from.
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That would be cool.
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So let's look at some history of how this lighthouse
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came to be. This lighthouse was built in 1974, and
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it's the oldest brick structure in St. Augustine. The lighthouse,
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as you see it now, though, wasn't the first lighthouse
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that was on this property. There's been a structure of
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some sort going all the way back to the 1500s
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to help guide ships in from the Atlantic Ocean. So
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the first was made of wood, and it was about
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40 feet tall. It had an old-fashioned lamp and a
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bunch of different flags hanging off of it to kind
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of draw attention to it. It was believed to be
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constructed by the Spanish when they came over to the area.
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And in 1586, Sir Francis Drake attacked the area, and
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the original lighthouse caught fire and burned down.
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Aw.
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The Spanish still needed some kind of lighthouse there, so
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they built a newer, more modern one. I guess as
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modern as you could be for the 1600s.
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Yeah.
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It was still made of wood, though, and it served
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its purpose. But the residents there kind of felt like
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that they needed something a little more stable.
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It's not going to last forever. So in the 1700s,
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a new tower was built using, I think this is
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called Coquina, or it might be Coquina. Anyways, it's a
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building material that's made of small shell fragments. I guess
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it would make sense, since you're right there on the ocean,
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you would have a lot of small shells that I
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guess they grinded up and made.
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Oh, that's cool.
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Whatever this product is. So this was just a little
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north of the second wooden tower, the one that was
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built after the first one burnt down. In 1763, the
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British invaded, and they took possession of the tower. And
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they added a little more height to it and added
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a cannon system up on top for basically protection. So
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if they seen any dangerous ships or anything coming in,
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they could shoot them down with the cannon.
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How in the heck do you get a cannon all
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the way up there? Is that what you just said?
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe they assembled it
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up there.
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Oh, that makes sense, but man.
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In 1821, the United States took possession of the state
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of Florida and the lighthouse. The U.S., I like the structure,
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but they wanted to make a few changes. So they
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hired its first ever light keeper. His name, now this
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is going to be a little tricky because everything I've
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ever seen listed his name as Joseph Andrau. I think
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that's his name, A-N-D R-E-U. It could be Andrew. Joseph Andrew.
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But there were a couple of sites that listed his
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name as Juan Antonio Andrew. So I don't know if
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his name is Joseph or Juan, so I'll give you
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both names. Juan knows these things, but I don't know it.
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He took the job very seriously. In 1859, unfortunately, he
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fell to his death while painting the outside of the lighthouse.
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Oh, man.
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Now, that lighthouse eventually eroded and fell into the ocean
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in 1880.
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Wow.
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They didn't build it as sturdy as they thought.
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Well, I mean, it was sturdy, I guess. But you've
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got to realize, out on the ocean right there, all
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that salt and stuff, it just does a lot of
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damage to stuff.
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That's very true.
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So construction on the current lighthouse started in 1871. It
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was completed October 15, 1874. And then they built a house,
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a really nice house for the keepers. And that was
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built about two years later. Now a man by the
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name of, I'm going to butcher this, Hezekiah Pitty was
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hired to oversee the construction. And Mr. Pitty allowed his
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children that were there. Then obviously he's got young kids.
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He's got four of them. They were bored. There's not
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a whole lot you could do. They didn't have, you know,
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game systems or none of that back in, the 1870s.
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So they were playing on the supply cart, and the
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supply cart would go back and forth from the tower,
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where it was constructing the lighthouse, down to the ocean,
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back and forth. I guess what would happen is ships
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would pull in, they would load up these carts, and
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then go from the ship up to the lighthouse. So
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it had a rail system set up. On July 10, 1873,
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tragedy struck. His two oldest children, daughter Eliza and daughter Mary...
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drown when the cart rode down the track that hit
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the water and tipped over. It's supposed to have some
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brakes there that would stop it. But when it hit
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that break, it caused it to tump over.
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So they were both riding in it.
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They were playing in it. That's what he allowed them
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to do is be able to play, um, back on
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this thing because they just wouldn't a whole lot for
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him to do.
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Way to go dad.
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So it hits that break. It tumps over. And when
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it does, uh, they're trapped in the water with this
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big cart over top of them. And they were trapped
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there until a worker could get there and lift the
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car off of them. Unfortunately, they drowned to this accident. Now,
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his other two children, Edward and Carrie, were also on board,
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but they survived the accident. I don't think their cart
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tumped over. I think there was a couple of carts.
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That's terrible.
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Now, there's a lesser-known fact of this story, and I
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thought it would be important to bring it up, It
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didn't get reported at the time. It wasn't in any
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of the newspapers or anything like that. But there was
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also a 10-year-old African-American girl there who was also killed.
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I don't have a name for her. I just felt
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like that she wasn't mentioned in any of the newspaper
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articles or anything at the time. the time it's almost
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like she didn't exist or it didn't matter and i
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just thought it would be important to at least give
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her a little bit of.
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Attention now so you don't know how did she die.
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She was oh in the car she was in the
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car too oh gosh it's just a In the newspaper
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article where it talked about it, they didn't even talk
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about her.
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Well, that's dumb.
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So I don't know if they were just trying to
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cover it up or if they were just saying that
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she didn't matter. But either way, I just thought she
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needed a little bit of attention and I was going
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to give it to her.
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Well, good.
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I wish I could hug her.
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In 1936, the lighthouse had plumbing and electricity installed. That's exciting.
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That is exciting.
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Dang.
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In 1955, the light became automated.
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And in 1960, the structure was completely abandoned because once
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it's automated, they have no need for light keepers.
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Oh, that kind of shot them in the foot.
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Right. In 1971, someone set the lighthouse on fire.
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What is the point of that?
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I don't know. And that made the Historic Society decide
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that they wanted to take over the lighthouse. They did
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some restorations to it, to the lighthouse and the keeper's house,
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and they opened a public park and a museum there.
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So that's what it is today. And you can take
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several tours, including a haunted tour. How about that? That's
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the history. So let's talk about the ghosts. The first
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paranormal topic we're going to discuss is the fact that
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many think that spirits are drawn here because they see
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this structure as like a beacon of hope for people.
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So literally, it is a beacon. But some people think
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it's a beacon of hope who lost their lives at sea.
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Oh, that's nice.
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Yeah.
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It's said that the light actually guides the spirits who
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are wandering aimlessly around the sea onto the grounds.
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That's a good thing.
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Many paranormal researchers claim that data suggests that these spirits
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linger around here longer than most places and that the
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grounds of the lighthouse has a very large number of
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spirits attached to it.
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Hmm.
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It's believed that the land that the lighthouse is on
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is also a burial ground for several individuals. There was
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one case where 13 pirates were captured and murdered on
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the site. Oh, gosh. Well, they were bad people, and
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they had committed some crimes, and their penalty was death.
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And they were buried there on that site, and rumor
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has it that several bones turned up when they were
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building the keeper's house, and that's how they found out
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about it. There's hauntings, obviously, all over the lighthouse, but
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some of the main ones were in the basement. And
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most people believe that the hauntings in the basement are
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said to be the spirits of these pirates.
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There's a basement in the lighthouse?
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Well, I guess technically it's not really in the lighthouse.
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It's in the keeper's house.
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Oh.
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There may be a basement in the lighthouse, too, but
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I know there's a basement in the keeper's house.
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So they think it's the spirits then from.
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The pirates and stuff. And I guess that would make
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sense because they found those bones when they were digging
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the ground.
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For the keeper's house.
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One of the more prominent ghosts that's seen on a
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regular basis is the original keeper that we talked about earlier,
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Joseph Andro, the one who fell to his death while
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he was out there painting. So he's seen quite often.
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He just kind of roams the grounds. There's another keeper
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by the name of William Harned, who in 1889, he
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also passed away on the premises. Now, he died from tuberculosis.
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And in 1894, his wife also passed away here. They
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are both seen on the grounds on a regular basis,
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usually together. There's also a story of a local man
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who lost everything in the stock market crash and the
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Great Depression in the late 20s, roughly around 1929. He
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committed suicide by hanging himself in the rafter of the
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lighthouse keeper's house. That's kind of not really been officially documented.
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But many think that that's one of those deals where
491
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.240
it happened, but it was kind of kept hush-hush because
492
00:23:56.299 --> 00:23:58.339
they didn't want the negative publicity for the area.
493
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.759
Lots of going on around that lighthouse.
494
00:24:01.819 --> 00:24:04.609
Yeah. Even though there's no physical evidence that that suicide
495
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:10.170
took place, people who experienced the spirit there, they know
496
00:24:10.190 --> 00:24:12.349
that it happened. And they said that this man is
497
00:24:12.369 --> 00:24:15.230
still there and he's sad with the events that ended
498
00:24:15.289 --> 00:24:24.299
his life. Many see... a figure dangling at nighttime in
499
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:25.200
the air, just dangling.
500
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:25.920
Oh, gosh.
501
00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:28.920
On nights of, like, really bad storms or bad weather
502
00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:29.359
coming in.
503
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:30.549
Oh, I wouldn't want to see that.
504
00:24:32.069 --> 00:24:35.890
Now, the most documented case at the lighthouse happened back
505
00:24:35.930 --> 00:24:39.150
when the Discovery Channel was filming a story there. Several
506
00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:42.670
people from the production crew said they saw an apparition
507
00:24:42.970 --> 00:24:46.960
of a man that looked like a mist walking on
508
00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.519
the second floor of the keeper's house. They also smelled
509
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.400
cigar smoke throughout the house and in the lighthouse. They
510
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.059
also saw specks of light in the lighthouse and heard
511
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.640
some unusual noises and no cause was ever found for
512
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.000
any of it. But it's like I said, this is
513
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.819
actually a film crew there and several people saw the
514
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.680
exact same thing.
515
00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:12.700
Now that's pretty cool that they all saw that at once.
516
00:25:13.779 --> 00:25:17.009
As you could guess, there's some children that haunt the lighthouse.
517
00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:17.440
Mm-hmm.
518
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.200
One of these children is a child who was hit
519
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:22.599
by a train in the early 1900s.
520
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.700
Wait. You said one of them is a children's that
521
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:27.960
or something funny.
522
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:28.400
I don't know.
523
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:29.859
It sounds funny. I don't know.
524
00:25:30.339 --> 00:25:31.319
Sorry. I know.
525
00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:33.000
I said one of the children's, but I didn't think
526
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:34.160
anybody was going to catch it, but you had to
527
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:34.799
call me out on.
528
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:36.880
It.
529
00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:44.400
So this child was hit by a train in the
530
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:44.789
early 1900s.
531
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:46.869
How's there a train by the lighthouse?
532
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:47.700
I have no idea.
533
00:25:48.690 --> 00:25:48.819
Oh.
534
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:50.660
I didn't get that far into it. And I don't
535
00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.640
know why that, I don't know, maybe he just liked
536
00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:53.720
to go there all the time.
537
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.059
I don't know.
538
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.980
I have no idea. The most obvious are the two
539
00:25:57.019 --> 00:25:59.420
little girls that died during the construction of the lighthouse.
540
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.660
Small girls are said to walk around the grounds and
541
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.119
they leave their little footprints in the sand.
542
00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:06.769
Aww.
543
00:26:06.789 --> 00:26:09.970
I don't know, it's adorable. It is adorable. They're seen
544
00:26:10.009 --> 00:26:13.970
watching individuals from the windows and they've also been seen
545
00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:15.190
in the halls of the house.
546
00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:17.109
Hmm.
547
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.420
I just think it's so interesting how, I mean, just
548
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.680
all these spirits just hang around.
549
00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:24.660
I don't, you know.
550
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.140
Well, I could definitely think of worse places to hang
551
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:30.890
around than a beautiful beach, ocean side in Florida.
552
00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:33.970
Well, that's true. I just, I mean, I know it
553
00:26:34.009 --> 00:26:36.549
sounds stupid, but you just think they might venture out
554
00:26:36.670 --> 00:26:39.289
somewhere else. But I guess they only want to stay
555
00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:40.329
where they're familiar with.
556
00:26:41.309 --> 00:26:44.450
So there's, the little girls we talked about, they can
557
00:26:44.529 --> 00:26:46.710
also be heard laughing at the top of the lighthouse.
558
00:26:47.029 --> 00:26:47.190
Mm-hmm.
559
00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:48.240
That's pretty cool.
560
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:48.740
Yeah.
561
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.539
They had some good times and stuff.
562
00:26:51.579 --> 00:26:51.900
You know?
563
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.960
Eliza, when she passed away, she was the oldest of
564
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.460
the daughters. She was actually wearing a blue dress at
565
00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:01.180
the time. And they say that you can see a
566
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.759
little girl in a blue dress just kind of floating
567
00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:06.400
around the lighthouse.
568
00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:07.779
Wow.
569
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.910
Makes me sad. But happy in a way.
570
00:27:13.609 --> 00:27:15.130
Right, they're still enjoying something.
571
00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:16.490
Yeah, they're still enjoying something, yeah.
572
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.700
One of the first light keepers was a gentleman by
573
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.839
the name of Peter Rasmussen, and he was known for
574
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.420
his love of cigars. And this would explain the smell
575
00:27:25.460 --> 00:27:28.660
of cigar smoke on a regular basis, even though smoking
576
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.579
is not permitted on the grounds of the lighthouse.
577
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:32.859
Hey.
578
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.160
Wonder. Nah.
579
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:38.359
Maybe he caught the White House. White House.
580
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.180
The White.
581
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.019
Maybe he caught the lighthouse on fire.
582
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:43.720
Could be.
583
00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:44.480
You know what I'm saying?
584
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.660
He could have been careless. And it was a wooden structure.
585
00:27:46.779 --> 00:27:47.500
He could have.
586
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.420
No, it wasn't wooden back then.
587
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:50.140
Oh.
588
00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:51.119
Anyways.
589
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.730
Ain't no cigar worth that anyway. They're terrible.
590
00:27:54.309 --> 00:27:59.130
Paranormal investigators have heard disembodied female voices asking for help.
591
00:28:00.089 --> 00:28:03.130
They have heard footsteps and seen shadow people on the stairs.
592
00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:03.670
Mm-hmm.
593
00:28:04.769 --> 00:28:08.359
I wonder how big it is inside a lighthouse, though.
594
00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:09.779
I mean.
595
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.920
It's not really big. And I got some pictures that.
596
00:28:13.549 --> 00:28:16.269
or posted on Facebook that'll give you an idea from
597
00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:18.230
the inside, but it's not a real big, which is
598
00:28:18.289 --> 00:28:19.490
why they had a keeper's house.
599
00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:21.269
Oh, well that makes sense.
600
00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:21.730
Okay.
601
00:28:21.849 --> 00:28:24.509
I kind of, but in some, a lot of lighthouses
602
00:28:24.549 --> 00:28:25.529
don't have a keeper's house.
603
00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:27.190
Yeah. So they were lucky. Yeah.
604
00:28:27.349 --> 00:28:27.589
Right.
605
00:28:28.029 --> 00:28:29.380
I'd like to see inside one though.
606
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.539
Matt Hladik, H L A D I K. I'm sure
607
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.500
I butchered that. He's a guide for a, a dark
608
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.440
of the moon tours. They give a bunch of haunted
609
00:28:39.460 --> 00:28:42.980
tours of the, um, Lighthouse, he said that he's had
610
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.299
many different experiences. He's only like 21 years old, too.
611
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:46.720
Oh.
612
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:48.640
How many experiences can you have?
613
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:48.710
21.
614
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:51.660
Come on. Hey, I wonder how many stairs it is
615
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:52.079
in there.
616
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:53.440
That's coming up.
617
00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:54.259
Oh, yay.
618
00:28:56.009 --> 00:28:58.890
He said that he's seen shadow figures in the tower.
619
00:28:59.589 --> 00:29:02.470
He's seen furniture move. And he said that he's even
620
00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:05.329
seen a hand coming through the tower door.
621
00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:07.769
Like just right through the door?
622
00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:11.630
I guess like a, you know, like a. See-through type hand.
623
00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:12.049
Mm-hmm.
624
00:29:12.750 --> 00:29:16.710
He said that he's had some hairs plucked out when
625
00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:18.579
he was in the basement of the keeper's house. Remember,
626
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.059
that's where the pirates are. I don't know if the
627
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.640
hairs were plucked out of his booty.
628
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.420
Booty hole.
629
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.940
Or maybe it was out of his arm.
630
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.460
Oh, that was good.
631
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.430
No, it wasn't, and we'll.
632
00:29:31.309 --> 00:29:31.759
Hear about it.
633
00:29:31.769 --> 00:29:32.670
That was so good.
634
00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.250
Anyway, he said that while he was in the middle
635
00:29:34.269 --> 00:29:37.390
of a tour one time that a hand grabbed his
636
00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:41.160
ankle and it made him trip. but it was like
637
00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:42.839
an invisible hand, so it made him look like he
638
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.299
just tripped on air and fell in front of people.
639
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:46.220
That would have been so laughed.
640
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.880
That would have been funny. The Dark of the Moon
641
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.960
tour started as a Halloween seasonal thing and became so
642
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.160
popular that it became a full-time gig.
643
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:55.000
Oh, very cool.
644
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:58.829
It's so popular that the tours hold 50 people, and
645
00:29:58.849 --> 00:30:01.460
they regularly sell out. That's a lot of people coming.
646
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:02.119
St.
647
00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:05.940
Augustine has eight different companies that offer ghost tours. That's
648
00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:09.210
how haunted this place is. I mean, like, Louisville's got one.
649
00:30:09.369 --> 00:30:09.750
Yeah.
650
00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:10.650
They've got eight.
651
00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:11.930
That's crazy.
652
00:30:13.329 --> 00:30:16.549
The lighthouse became a very hot paranormal topic back in
653
00:30:16.549 --> 00:30:21.319
2005 when ghost hunters, taps, came to town. Jason Halls,
654
00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:25.519
Grant Wilson. Jason and Grant were fascinated about a place,
655
00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:29.180
and some really hardcore ghost hunters came from all over
656
00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:31.519
the world come to this place just to check out
657
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.259
the lighthouse. It's really cool.
658
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:35.579
Very, very cool.
659
00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.039
A couple of quick ones to kind of end on.
660
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.130
Visitors report a young girl in period clothing looking out
661
00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.890
the lighthouse door or just kind of standing by an
662
00:30:46.990 --> 00:30:51.579
upstairs window. In 2009, a cell tower technician took a
663
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:54.299
picture of his co-worker with the lighthouse in the background.
664
00:30:55.180 --> 00:30:57.309
The figure of a young girl in a long black
665
00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:01.150
dress and long hair can actually be seen standing alone
666
00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:03.250
on the top of the observation deck.
667
00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:06.990
Like she's waiting for somebody. Like she's waiting for her love.
668
00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:10.089
It looks to me more like she's sitting with her
669
00:31:10.109 --> 00:31:12.470
legs dangling down, but maybe that's just me. But I've
670
00:31:12.490 --> 00:31:15.730
got a picture of that that we also posted. And
671
00:31:15.750 --> 00:31:22.049
then there's a man in blue that's basically terrifying people.
672
00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:26.490
This guy's like kind of a jerk, but anybody who's
673
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.039
worked or lived in the house has seen him and
674
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.240
it's freaked some people out. This entity will follow you
675
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.720
down all 219 stairs from the top of the lighthouse
676
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.099
down to the bottom.
677
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.519
That is a bunch of stairs.
678
00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:43.420
One lighthouse keeper was so scared that he refused to
679
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:47.839
live there any longer. He eventually was able to switch
680
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.619
duties with another member of the Coast Guard who wasn't
681
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:55.609
afraid of ghosts. So many think that the man... In
682
00:31:55.670 --> 00:32:00.430
blue is actually Joseph Andro, the first keeper. St. Augustine
683
00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:04.990
Lighthouse has about 200,000 visitors per year, and it still
684
00:32:05.049 --> 00:32:11.019
has the original Fresno lens from 1874. Oh, very cool.
685
00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:15.220
370 handmade prisms in that lens. And it just recently
686
00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:17.660
had some stuff done on it. The tower gets painted
687
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.680
every five to seven years. And that is the story
688
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.200
of the St. Augustine Courthouse. Or a lighthouse.
689
00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:25.200
What are you saying?
690
00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:26.319
Or a courthouse. I don't know.
691
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:27.359
Oh, my God.
692
00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:28.279
I have no clue what I'm saying.
693
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.390
Sorry, folks. He's extra bald-headed today. I guess that's what's happening.
694
00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:38.650
Too many houses. You've got a keeper's house, lighthouse, courthouse,
695
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:40.109
the White House. You didn't say the White House.
696
00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:42.069
I know I did. But, you know, that's cool that
697
00:32:42.089 --> 00:32:44.690
they had another house to live in. I mean, that
698
00:32:44.710 --> 00:32:45.410
was really nice.
699
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:47.420
And what do you see pictures of this thing? This
700
00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:47.819
was a.
701
00:32:48.019 --> 00:32:49.880
Really, really nice house.
702
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.700
This is like a big two-story house. Victorian style.
703
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:54.109
Oh, wow.
704
00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:55.950
I said Victorian. I don't know my, I don't know
705
00:32:55.990 --> 00:32:56.490
my Orient.
706
00:32:56.509 --> 00:32:57.029
Well, you know.
707
00:32:57.049 --> 00:32:59.029
It may not be Victorian. It might just be a big,
708
00:32:59.069 --> 00:32:59.930
nice two-story house.
709
00:33:00.390 --> 00:33:02.950
Well, that's true. But hey, it's better than sleeping in
710
00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:05.170
that and having to climb up 200 and something daggone
711
00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:08.549
stairs every time you, that, no, I couldn't do that.
712
00:33:09.750 --> 00:33:10.950
I don't think you have to climb up the stairs
713
00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:12.470
all the time. There's not a big need for you
714
00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:14.250
to be up in the top all the time.
715
00:33:15.329 --> 00:33:15.430
Oh.
716
00:33:15.509 --> 00:33:16.950
You just got to go up there occasionally to make
717
00:33:16.970 --> 00:33:17.849
sure the lights are still working.
718
00:33:17.869 --> 00:33:20.210
Oh, that's true. That just seems like a bunch of
719
00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:20.869
wasted stairs.
720
00:33:22.339 --> 00:33:22.450
Yeah.
721
00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:24.680
Why'd they put an elevator in that biatch?
722
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:26.839
I don't think there was a lot of elevators going
723
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.359
on back in 1874. I'm sure they had them. Going up.
724
00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:32.400
Going down. What the hell?
725
00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:38.920
All right. So, as promised, Andrea Whitney.
726
00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:41.960
Oh, we love you, honey. We love you so much.
727
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.559
Oh, and I'm not going to say it.
728
00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:46.809
Don't say it.
729
00:33:46.849 --> 00:33:50.230
I'm not because she'll get mad at me. Anyways, we're
730
00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:52.890
just going to say the number was 208 And she'll
731
00:33:52.910 --> 00:33:55.710
know what that means. Nobody else will know what it means,
732
00:33:55.750 --> 00:33:57.230
but she'll know what it means. And that's just going
733
00:33:57.250 --> 00:34:01.359
to be enough to make us laugh. So anyways, Andrea
734
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.460
Whitney came on. This is her fourth appearance. That's more
735
00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:06.799
than anybody else. The only people that's been on more,
736
00:34:07.660 --> 00:34:08.880
just by coincidence.
737
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:09.480
It's me.
738
00:34:10.460 --> 00:34:11.219
Yes, you.
739
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:17.280
But Lee Sowell from Don't Break the Oath because... He's
740
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.460
been on, he was on the thing we did with
741
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.820
Phil Holmes with the Loch Ness. He did that little
742
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.789
bit a couple of weeks ago. And then I had
743
00:34:24.809 --> 00:34:26.909
him on individually and then him and Andy were on
744
00:34:27.050 --> 00:34:28.849
way back in the day when we did Rendlesham Forest.
745
00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:29.349
Yes.
746
00:34:29.429 --> 00:34:31.630
So Andrea, this is her fourth time being on.
747
00:34:31.650 --> 00:34:34.469
Well, we're so happy to have her. She's such a sweetheart.
748
00:34:34.969 --> 00:34:35.179
Yep.
749
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:37.000
So this is going to be a cool story. Like
750
00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:39.300
I said, you guys will love this. She gets into
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00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.739
details as she does in all of her stories. So
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00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:44.570
let's listen a little bit about Fox Hollow Farms. We
753
00:34:44.690 --> 00:34:47.590
are joined by a special guest. You've heard her on
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00:34:47.630 --> 00:34:50.130
the show. This is her fourth appearance, which is more
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00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:52.610
than any other guest we have. And she's on so
756
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.139
much because you guys really love her. And it's Andrea Whitney.
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00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.880
She's the editor-in-chief for the Jasper Newsboy in Jasper, Texas. Andrea,
758
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:01.900
welcome back to the show.
759
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.739
Hey, Jerry. Hi, Tracy.
760
00:35:04.929 --> 00:35:07.269
Thank you guys for having me on again. I feel
761
00:35:07.289 --> 00:35:10.150
like it's been forever. I love coming on, so I'm
762
00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:11.389
honored to be here again.
763
00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:14.409
Well, before we get started on what we've got planned
764
00:35:14.449 --> 00:35:17.869
for tonight, I get asked all the time if there
765
00:35:17.929 --> 00:35:21.190
are any other developments in the situation with your friend
766
00:35:21.929 --> 00:35:26.139
that you were doing the research on that committed suicide
767
00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:28.940
in the school parking lot. So do we have any
768
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.639
new developments on that situation?
769
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:32.820
Actually, we do.
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00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.960
There were some comments that were made on the Hillbilly
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00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:41.079
Horror Stories group and some, Jerry, that you shared with me.
772
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.909
And one of them, I think it was a gentleman,
773
00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:48.309
I'm not sure, I don't remember, but he made the comment,
774
00:35:48.369 --> 00:35:50.789
you know, I hope it works out well for her.
775
00:35:50.829 --> 00:35:53.969
I just don't think she's really ready to kind of
776
00:35:54.130 --> 00:35:57.650
face what happened. And I thought, you know what, I do.
777
00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:01.590
I am ready, and I've got to get this done.
778
00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:06.389
So I started once again. I wiped this, literally, I
779
00:36:06.429 --> 00:36:07.710
have a whiteboard in.
780
00:36:07.690 --> 00:36:09.869
My office, and I wiped it clean.
781
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:14.599
And I started from three months prior to his death
782
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.889
up until after his death. And I comprised, compiled everything
783
00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:27.530
into an outline, every reason why I thought this, this
784
00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.050
couldn't have happened the way that it happened from the
785
00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:35.030
fact of the police that were cited surrounding the school
786
00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:37.050
right after.
787
00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:39.920
It happened for, you know, and then, saying that it
788
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:40.719
was a drill.
789
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.940
From different comments that were made, I could not, there
790
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.000
was not a 911 call placed.
791
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.059
And I put it all in an outline.
792
00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:53.909
I made probably 200 copies of it. I put them
793
00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:58.929
all in binders. And I began just hounding law enforcement,
794
00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:03.769
hounding them, hounding them. And with some hope and my
795
00:37:03.809 --> 00:37:08.190
fingers crossed, I am hoping that that they may reopen it.
796
00:37:08.389 --> 00:37:09.909
I can't say that they will.
797
00:37:09.929 --> 00:37:14.010
I hope they do for the simple fact that he
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00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:20.239
deserves justice. And I just, if you knew some of
799
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.119
the things that, like Jerry, you and I have talked about,
800
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.380
and there are some things and names that I just
801
00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:28.380
can't put out over the air, for lack of better words,
802
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:33.519
it's so incredibly obvious. And he came to me for help.
803
00:37:33.860 --> 00:37:36.949
As crazy as people may think I am, I won't
804
00:37:36.969 --> 00:37:40.829
let it go. So there haven't, I mean, there's been
805
00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:44.449
some new developments. They're taking a second look at the
806
00:37:44.590 --> 00:37:49.280
autopsy report. They are contacting some doctors that I had
807
00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:55.539
contacted prior for evidence and expert opinion. They're actually reaching
808
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.239
out to these doctors. So hopefully we're going step one again.
809
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.940
And I'll just keep going until somebody tells me to stop.
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00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.059
And then I'll keep going even then.
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00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.099
Well, good luck with all that. I know it's something
812
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.039
near and dear to your heart.
813
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.929
It's near and dear to my heart. But so are y'all.
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00:38:16.389 --> 00:38:16.730
Thanks.
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00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:18.510
On a happy note.
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Let's bring forward to this story. Now, this is a
817
00:38:22.289 --> 00:38:24.789
very unique story in the fact that I was going
818
00:38:24.889 --> 00:38:29.570
to use this as a topic probably three or four
819
00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:35.360
months ago. It's almost impossible to find... very much information
820
00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:37.699
on the internet for something as big as this is.
821
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.050
And I guess it just depends on where you look,
822
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.800
but there's a documentary that was out. And at the
823
00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:45.269
time it was one of those you had to pay
824
00:38:45.349 --> 00:38:47.449
for on YouTube or something like that, wherever it was.
825
00:38:47.809 --> 00:38:50.610
And I didn't have access to it. And basically that
826
00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:51.989
just means I was cheap and wouldn't go to pay
827
00:38:52.030 --> 00:38:55.889
like $ 3 to rent it. So the reality of it
828
00:38:55.929 --> 00:38:59.090
was I couldn't find enough information reading to do the
829
00:38:59.130 --> 00:39:00.829
story on it. So I just kind of let it go.
830
00:39:01.369 --> 00:39:03.250
But you brought it up to me the other day
831
00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:05.889
and said, hey, I've got all kinds of notes. I believe,
832
00:39:05.929 --> 00:39:07.610
didn't you say you did your thesis on this?
833
00:39:08.309 --> 00:39:11.380
Yes, I did. I did one of my thesis.
834
00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:14.780
I had to take a class in psychology, but it
835
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.840
was called deviant behavior. And it was a, you know,
836
00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:22.929
it was a semester long course on, well, deviant behavior.
837
00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:27.210
And this is one of the, this is, I just,
838
00:39:27.369 --> 00:39:28.329
this case stuck.
839
00:39:28.210 --> 00:39:28.710
Out to me.
840
00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:31.940
And so I thought, you know what, I'm going to
841
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:36.199
do my thesis on Herb Baumeister. And so I have
842
00:39:36.260 --> 00:39:39.139
tons of notes. You know, I spoke with law enforcement
843
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:43.320
at the time. I actually spoke, you know, with several
844
00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:49.380
different people from neighbors to law enforcement just I do
845
00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:51.820
a lot of people. I was never able to speak
846
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:56.599
with anyone on from Bowmeister's camp. Of course, that's, that's
847
00:39:56.619 --> 00:40:00.260
not surprising, but I was able to speak with Mr.
848
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:00.739
Graves.
849
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.639
I'm the owner of the home. And anyway, as we
850
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.280
get into the story towards the end, I'll have some
851
00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:10.889
updates that haven't been, they haven't been publicized just because,
852
00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:13.489
you know, the story is kind of, it's kind of
853
00:40:13.550 --> 00:40:16.070
faded away, but I think that the readers might be
854
00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:17.039
interested to hear it.
855
00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:17.269
So.
856
00:40:17.610 --> 00:40:20.489
Can I give a brief synopsis of what we're talking
857
00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:22.820
about without stepping on your toes, do you think?
858
00:40:23.179 --> 00:40:24.019
Yeah, you can.
859
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:27.039
I actually, yeah, are kind of a back story because
860
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:28.619
that's what I've got is a back story.
861
00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:29.579
So you go right ahead.
862
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.239
Well, I'm going to let you get into the details.
863
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:32.960
I'm just going to tell people in general what we're
864
00:40:32.980 --> 00:40:38.250
talking about. We're talking about Fox Hollow Farms in Westfield, Indiana.
865
00:40:38.730 --> 00:40:41.349
How close is that to Indianapolis? Do you know?
866
00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:46.929
It is probably 60, 70 miles is what I believe.
867
00:40:47.289 --> 00:40:48.750
Okay, so it's not that far.
868
00:40:48.889 --> 00:40:50.230
It's not that far.
869
00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:53.800
Yeah, it's an 18-acre farm. And in the early 90s,
870
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.099
Herb Baumeister lived there. He was a local guy, local
871
00:40:57.139 --> 00:41:01.659
business guy. Weird shit started happening. And he became the
872
00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:06.619
suspect in, I don't know, several people that became missing
873
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.199
that they assumed were killed in the 80s and the 90s.
874
00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:13.269
So he got on him. He fled to Canada. And
875
00:41:13.550 --> 00:41:17.719
during the midst of him being gone, They found over 5,000
876
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.630
bone fragments on the property. They thought there was about
877
00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:23.949
as many as 17 different victims, but they could only
878
00:41:24.210 --> 00:41:27.650
properly identify five of them. And they think that most
879
00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:31.849
of the murders happened inside the house at the indoor
880
00:41:31.909 --> 00:41:35.500
pool that he had. But that's the basic background of
881
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:38.159
this guy. But as we get into the story, you're
882
00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:39.840
going to find out that this is one of those
883
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.420
rare cases where where it's a combination of true crime,
884
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.750
but it's also a lot of paranormal activity in the
885
00:41:46.909 --> 00:41:50.590
home and surrounding area right there. So with that being said,
886
00:41:50.630 --> 00:41:51.710
I'll turn it over to you, Andrea.
887
00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:54.730
Okay, that sounds great. Yes, this is the story of
888
00:41:54.789 --> 00:42:01.730
Herb Baumeister. He was born in 1947. And this is
889
00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:04.250
just kind of a little bit of backstory. As we
890
00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:08.579
get into it, this kind of plays into the story.
891
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.940
But when he was 11 years old, this is kind
892
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.820
of disturbing, but when he was 11 years old, he
893
00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:20.079
started exhibiting, I guess you'd call it deviant behavior tendencies.
894
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.849
He had the trifecta, wetting his bed, playing with dead animals,
895
00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:28.969
doing things that Normal children shouldn't do. Like I said,
896
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:31.409
when he was 11, he urinated on his teacher's desk.
897
00:42:31.469 --> 00:42:35.170
He was just one of those, definitely had some issues.
898
00:42:35.269 --> 00:42:38.809
Mom and dad took him to the doctor. The doctor,
899
00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:41.929
of course, said he would grow out of it. As
900
00:42:42.010 --> 00:42:45.619
time went on, even when he was as young as 17,
901
00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:52.360
it's kind of hard to find any information on it.
902
00:42:52.849 --> 00:42:55.719
But there was a case of one of his friends
903
00:42:55.780 --> 00:42:59.099
who went missing, and this was supposed to be Baumeister's
904
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:03.820
really good friend. They had been playing baseball in the park,
905
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.059
and Herb came home. His friend did not come home.
906
00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:10.230
He was listed as a missing person. They never found
907
00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:15.389
the body. But as time went on, they have no
908
00:43:15.409 --> 00:43:16.309
physical evidence.
909
00:43:16.429 --> 00:43:20.360
But You know, they wonder if that was part of it.
910
00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:24.969
He attended college, dropped out, went back, and then in 71,
911
00:43:24.969 --> 00:43:29.809
I believe, he married Julia. And they had three children.
912
00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:35.150
And the marriage, of course, crumbled when the investigation started.
913
00:43:35.349 --> 00:43:39.409
Pretty much, Jerry, like you said, he was accused.
914
00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:41.769
Of, I think the final number was 20.
915
00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:46.780
Of 20 murders, these were all gay men who visited
916
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.400
a certain district within Indianapolis. There was some bars that
917
00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:56.159
he would frequent. He went by the alias of Brian Smart.
918
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:02.190
He actually, one of the victims had gone to the police.
919
00:44:02.230 --> 00:44:07.389
This was a guy named Brian Smart.
920
00:44:07.829 --> 00:44:10.489
I went back to his home with him. My friend
921
00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:11.269
and I did.
922
00:44:11.289 --> 00:44:16.989
He basically tried to kill me with a by strangling
923
00:44:17.030 --> 00:44:20.309
me with a pool hose and he said he killed
924
00:44:20.409 --> 00:44:25.150
my friend well that's what sparked off the investigation of
925
00:44:25.269 --> 00:44:28.889
course anybody knows anything about law if you don't have
926
00:44:28.969 --> 00:44:32.849
a body it's very hard to build a case so
927
00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:36.289
all of these men as they start looking into it
928
00:44:36.329 --> 00:44:38.989
these men are just going missing missing i mean we're
929
00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:44.880
talking one a week and They all seem somehow to
930
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:50.070
tie back to this alias, Brian Smart. So the victim
931
00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:55.289
that survived went and decided to go back to the
932
00:44:55.349 --> 00:45:01.170
same bar. He actually followed Baumeister as he was bringing
933
00:45:01.250 --> 00:45:02.769
home another gentleman.
934
00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:06.090
This was one of Baumeister's last known victims.
935
00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:09.329
And he was the last known victim that got in
936
00:45:09.369 --> 00:45:12.639
the car with Baumeister was wearing a red T-shirt.
937
00:45:13.099 --> 00:45:14.760
That's going to come into play later.
938
00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:21.460
But the victim that escaped death followed Baumeister in his
939
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.139
car so that he could get the license plate of
940
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.320
this gentleman, Baumeister, who was going by the name of
941
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.070
Brian Smart. He brought the license plate to the police.
942
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.989
Police then Tie it back to Baumeister and the investigation
943
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.800
kicks into high gear. Pretty much, Jerry, like you said,
944
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.340
they found tons of bone fragments. To this day, they
945
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.539
are still finding them. in and around the 18-acre property.
946
00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:54.360
But Baumeister committed suicide and Flooded Canada committed suicide, so
947
00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:57.940
he was never tried for this. Now, switching gears over
948
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.500
to present day, or we'll say, you know, the 90s,
949
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:06.360
the Graves family moved into the house. And they're being
950
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.860
shown a home. They wanted to flee the city for
951
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.449
a quieter lifestyle. So they're, you know, going through the house.
952
00:46:12.469 --> 00:46:13.690
The house is gorgeous.
953
00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:18.190
I mean, indoor pool, Just beautiful, you know, just a
954
00:46:18.210 --> 00:46:22.309
beautiful ranch style home. And Rob Graves is like, gosh,
955
00:46:22.329 --> 00:46:26.050
you know, this place sure is, it's awful cheap. And
956
00:46:26.090 --> 00:46:28.170
then he got to thinking, wait a minute, is this
957
00:46:28.230 --> 00:46:30.869
the house that I've seen on the news? And so
958
00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:33.210
he asked the realtor, is this, you know, the Herb
959
00:46:33.250 --> 00:46:37.179
Baumeister home? And the realtor said, yes, yes, sir. That's
960
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.219
why it's so cheap. Well, he spoke with his wife
961
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.139
and they were like, you know what? We can handle this.
962
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:44.739
You know, it's okay.
963
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:48.480
It's over. It's gone. We can handle this. So they
964
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:49.019
move in.
965
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.550
Everything is rocking along smoothly.
966
00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:55.269
You know, they're renovating some parts of the home, making
967
00:46:55.309 --> 00:46:55.929
it their own.
968
00:46:56.690 --> 00:47:00.750
And the first instance, which these are pretty well known
969
00:47:00.909 --> 00:47:05.210
on the internet, Mrs. Graves was vacuuming gravel up in
970
00:47:05.230 --> 00:47:09.349
the pool area. And she had her vacuum cleaner actually
971
00:47:09.449 --> 00:47:12.889
plugged into an extension cord and not directly into the wall.
972
00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:16.070
And the extension cord was probably one and a half
973
00:47:16.210 --> 00:47:20.289
feet from her. Her vacuum cleaner went off. So she
974
00:47:20.329 --> 00:47:24.369
turned and looked. The extension cord had become unplugged from
975
00:47:24.429 --> 00:47:27.690
the actual vacuum cleaner cord. But she plugged it back
976
00:47:27.710 --> 00:47:33.010
in and she's still vacuuming. It happens again. And she thought, okay,
977
00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:36.280
that's weird. Maybe I didn't plug it inside enough. So
978
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.960
she goes back over there, she secures it, and she
979
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:44.949
begins vacuuming again. And on the third time it came unplugged,
980
00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:48.510
she said, okay, no, that's it. I can't, you know,
981
00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:49.289
I can't do this.
982
00:47:49.710 --> 00:47:50.449
I'm freaked out.
983
00:47:51.010 --> 00:47:55.300
So she decides that she's not going to vacuum anymore
984
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:55.739
that day.
985
00:47:56.139 --> 00:47:58.099
As they're moving in, things.
986
00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.880
Are going, you know, they're going good, except for here
987
00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:03.239
and there, things would come up missing.
988
00:48:03.699 --> 00:48:06.989
You know, just pieces of clothing here and there.
989
00:48:07.409 --> 00:48:10.949
Just different things would come up that weren't right. The
990
00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:14.809
next thing that happened was Joe LeBlanc is going to
991
00:48:14.849 --> 00:48:18.530
enter the picture. Rob and Vicki Graves were very successful
992
00:48:19.010 --> 00:48:22.909
at their jobs. Rob was actually a car salesman. He
993
00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:26.599
had a good friend and colleague, Joe LeBlanc, who had
994
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.630
a very long commute to get to work. And so
995
00:48:29.690 --> 00:48:32.050
he asked Joe, he said, hey, you know what? Why
996
00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:34.070
don't you come on and live in the guest house?
997
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.559
You know, nobody's there. It would, you know, put somebody
998
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.099
there to kind of, you know, keep the place from
999
00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:40.719
running down.
1000
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.219
Of course, Joe said, absolutely.
1001
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:46.730
Now, Rob told Joe, hey, I want you to know that,
1002
00:48:47.030 --> 00:48:50.329
you know, it's the Herb Baumeister home. And he said, oh,
1003
00:48:50.369 --> 00:48:51.329
I don't care about that.
1004
00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:53.670
You know, I don't believe in all that. I don't care.
1005
00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:57.409
So he wasn't fazed by any of the history. And
1006
00:48:57.449 --> 00:49:01.230
the whole apartment had actually been gutted. So everything was
1007
00:49:01.329 --> 00:49:04.739
brand new. Now, Joe had a dog. His dog's name
1008
00:49:04.780 --> 00:49:08.280
was Fred. So the very first night that they had
1009
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.679
moved in, Joe and Fred settled in for the night
1010
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.780
and they were going to watch a movie. But because
1011
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.949
Joe was so, he was just beat. He went right
1012
00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.969
to sleep. This is the first night in this house, okay?
1013
00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:25.820
He has a dream. In this dream, he is running
1014
00:49:26.019 --> 00:49:29.579
for his life. Those were his words. I was running
1015
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.599
for my life. He said, I didn't know what I
1016
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.179
was running from, but I knew something was chasing me
1017
00:49:36.260 --> 00:49:39.320
and I had to get away. So he wakes up
1018
00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:44.090
And he sits bolt upright in bed. And have you
1019
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:47.349
ever woken up from a dream, Jerry, where you're just,
1020
00:49:47.769 --> 00:49:49.869
you still think you're in that dream. It takes you
1021
00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:52.110
a little bit to kind of come back to reality.
1022
00:49:52.489 --> 00:49:52.989
Yeah.
1023
00:49:53.610 --> 00:49:54.050
Okay.
1024
00:49:54.610 --> 00:49:57.219
Well, that's what happened to him. And when he woke up,
1025
00:49:58.110 --> 00:50:01.000
it was within a period of seconds, he hit the
1026
00:50:01.059 --> 00:50:04.739
floor and started to run. He was still scared. And
1027
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.739
he hit the door frame. as he was running, and that,
1028
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.190
of course, woke him up. Well, it probably knocked him
1029
00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:15.909
out first, but he woke up. He was on the floor.
1030
00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:20.309
He had glass in his hands. He was just, I mean,
1031
00:50:20.329 --> 00:50:24.789
because he had run into the outer door. He still,
1032
00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:27.809
even years later, he said, that was one of the
1033
00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:32.030
scariest experiences I've ever had because I didn't know what
1034
00:50:32.070 --> 00:50:36.110
I was running from. So he knew something was there then,
1035
00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:40.070
But he just kind of pushed it to the side.
1036
00:50:40.469 --> 00:50:44.570
In the meantime, Vicki had come home from work one day.
1037
00:50:44.829 --> 00:50:48.170
She had found her husband painting. She was looking around,
1038
00:50:48.230 --> 00:50:50.530
you know, at his work, seeing what all he was doing.
1039
00:50:51.369 --> 00:50:54.070
And she glanced kind of out of the corner of
1040
00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:57.070
her eye and she saw something red. And she looked,
1041
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:01.599
there was a man in a red t-shirt standing in
1042
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.840
their yard. Now, she described this man as the.
1043
00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:07.050
look on.
1044
00:51:07.010 --> 00:51:10.010
His face because it wasn't very far. She could see
1045
00:51:10.050 --> 00:51:12.769
it was straight out of plate glass window. So she
1046
00:51:13.090 --> 00:51:16.610
had quite a view from the beginning. But she said
1047
00:51:16.690 --> 00:51:20.820
she walked outside and she said the look of fear
1048
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.440
on his face is something that she's never seen before.
1049
00:51:24.739 --> 00:51:29.639
So she started walking towards him and she realized that
1050
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.230
he doesn't have any legs. All she can see is head, shoulders,
1051
00:51:34.289 --> 00:51:39.159
and torsos. but yet this man turns and runs towards
1052
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.110
the woods. I mean, she doesn't see his legs obviously,
1053
00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:48.769
but this apparition goes towards the woods. She looked back
1054
00:51:48.829 --> 00:51:53.409
at her husband. He had seen it and he joked
1055
00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:56.730
about it and called it a serial killer groupie ghost,
1056
00:51:57.349 --> 00:52:00.769
which was kind of tacky, but I mean, I guess.
1057
00:52:01.530 --> 00:52:04.349
You know, Hey, try to find humor in everything. Right.
1058
00:52:05.309 --> 00:52:10.530
Um, So they just, you know, Rob was like, okay,
1059
00:52:10.809 --> 00:52:14.349
you know, maybe it was just, maybe it was a
1060
00:52:14.389 --> 00:52:17.150
real person. And Vicki was like, no, I'm telling you,
1061
00:52:17.849 --> 00:52:20.090
if it was a real person, then how the hell
1062
00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:23.820
were they running? Because they had no legs. But Rob
1063
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.079
insisted on installing security cameras. They did install these cameras.
1064
00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:33.019
And Rob later said that it was something that he
1065
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.809
wishes that he'd would not have done in a way
1066
00:52:37.250 --> 00:52:40.469
because the things that they caught on that security camera
1067
00:52:40.949 --> 00:52:44.420
just made it to where he said he would go six,
1068
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:48.000
seven nights with no sleep because he would see things
1069
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.800
on the security camera. He would see like, he described
1070
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.590
it as white mist, but they had a human form.
1071
00:52:57.010 --> 00:53:01.070
He would see them moving. to and from the pool room.
1072
00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:05.590
He would see bright lights along the fence line. He
1073
00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:09.429
said there was anything and everything that you could see
1074
00:53:09.550 --> 00:53:13.579
from lights to mist to clouds. He saw it, but
1075
00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:18.280
it was, it wasn't something that he could explain away anymore.
1076
00:53:18.699 --> 00:53:21.199
So he began to realize, you know, we've really got
1077
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.699
something on our hands now.
1078
00:53:23.170 --> 00:53:26.510
Going back to Joe who's living in the guest house
1079
00:53:26.730 --> 00:53:30.329
Joe was washing dishes one night and he heard somebody
1080
00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:33.610
knocking on the door it was a very insistent knocking
1081
00:53:34.030 --> 00:53:36.690
so he goes to answer it and he he doesn't
1082
00:53:36.750 --> 00:53:40.369
see anything he looks around he still can't see anything
1083
00:53:40.869 --> 00:53:43.710
he closed and locked the door but he said as
1084
00:53:43.769 --> 00:53:47.690
he was locking that door he felt he said I
1085
00:53:47.750 --> 00:53:51.530
felt something he said I felt like Just something wasn't
1086
00:53:51.630 --> 00:53:54.329
right and there was someone there. I knew there was
1087
00:53:54.369 --> 00:53:57.630
someone there. So he goes back to try to wash
1088
00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:01.940
dishes and shake this feeling and he looks, he turns
1089
00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:06.280
around because he hears the knocking again. He turns around
1090
00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:09.380
and he sees a white mist and it grabbed his
1091
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.719
attention but he said within seconds it was gone. And
1092
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:18.349
he looked down at Fred, his dog, who was acting fine.
1093
00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:21.989
So he just kind of shook it off as, yes,
1094
00:54:22.070 --> 00:54:24.210
it's a ghost, but as long as it just knocks
1095
00:54:24.309 --> 00:54:27.050
on my door, I'll be okay, as long as it
1096
00:54:27.070 --> 00:54:30.610
doesn't do anything else. Well, he decided, I think a
1097
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.460
couple of nights later, he was going to take his
1098
00:54:32.500 --> 00:54:35.380
dog for a walk, and they would walk up and
1099
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.840
down the driveway. He heard something in the woods along
1100
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.599
the fence line. He looked down at Fred. Fred had
1101
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:48.269
stopped And he was doing that low growl that dogs
1102
00:54:48.349 --> 00:54:51.510
do whenever they know something's there. And his eyes and
1103
00:54:51.590 --> 00:54:53.820
ears are, you know, he's standing at attention.
1104
00:54:54.219 --> 00:54:59.559
As they walked back, his dog started running. He ran away.
1105
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.369
And so as Joe turns to go chase the dog,
1106
00:55:04.610 --> 00:55:08.309
he catches a glimpse of what Fred is chasing. And
1107
00:55:08.369 --> 00:55:11.469
it's a man in a red T-shirt. He could see
1108
00:55:11.570 --> 00:55:14.340
it because he had a flashlight. It was right at dusk,
1109
00:55:14.420 --> 00:55:17.579
so it was not dark yet. But he still had
1110
00:55:17.619 --> 00:55:20.960
his flashlight. And as he ran towards the woods, he
1111
00:55:21.019 --> 00:55:24.250
turned on the flashlight and he said, I could see
1112
00:55:24.289 --> 00:55:27.710
this man. He had reddish brown hair. He was an
1113
00:55:27.869 --> 00:55:31.750
athletic build. He had on a red T-shirt. He said
1114
00:55:31.809 --> 00:55:35.070
he was wearing a darker color, like Levi's style jeans.
1115
00:55:35.289 --> 00:55:38.969
I mean, he described this man to a T. And
1116
00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:43.090
what is interesting is that the man he was describing
1117
00:55:43.449 --> 00:55:48.849
was Ballmeister's last known victim. That is exactly what this
1118
00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:52.769
guy was wearing when he disappeared. His alleged victim, I'll
1119
00:55:52.789 --> 00:55:55.590
put it that way. So he's running in the woods.
1120
00:55:55.849 --> 00:55:59.909
He finds Fred. Fred is standing there just growling. He
1121
00:55:59.969 --> 00:56:02.769
lost sight of the gentleman in the red shirt, he said,
1122
00:56:02.829 --> 00:56:04.969
for about 15.
1123
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:05.690
20 seconds.
1124
00:56:05.769 --> 00:56:09.250
He said, but the closer he got to Fred, he
1125
00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:12.659
could see him. And he came face to face with
1126
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.280
this man's, in this red t-shirt and there's not much
1127
00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:23.510
i i've verified this years ago but since since then
1128
00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:26.619
it's kind of disappeared off the internet but this man
1129
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:31.489
looked at him and said go that's all he said
1130
00:56:31.590 --> 00:56:35.250
was just go and he said at that moment i
1131
00:56:35.309 --> 00:56:38.969
turned around and i got my dog and i ran
1132
00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:42.909
as fast as i could Back to the house. And
1133
00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:47.829
so he's come face to face with this ghost. Vicki
1134
00:56:47.989 --> 00:56:51.489
is having issues. Rob is not sleeping. You know, the
1135
00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:54.989
kids actually had a party one night. Joe and his
1136
00:56:55.070 --> 00:56:59.650
friend were there and Joe was actually almost. I guess
1137
00:56:59.690 --> 00:57:02.690
you'd call it strangled by invisible hands. He was in
1138
00:57:02.730 --> 00:57:06.710
the pool. All of a sudden, he said, I felt fingers.
1139
00:57:06.789 --> 00:57:09.909
I could feel each individual finger around my neck.
1140
00:57:10.289 --> 00:57:12.110
And he fought and fought.
1141
00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:15.840
And finally, when his friend jumped in, who was just
1142
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:20.559
dumbfounded at everything that was going on, whatever had Joe
1143
00:57:20.659 --> 00:57:25.539
released him. He constantly had these issues with the door knocking.
1144
00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:28.219
There was one night where.
1145
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.340
Joe had set up security cameras as well on the
1146
00:57:32.550 --> 00:57:35.570
inside of his home and on the outside.
1147
00:57:35.889 --> 00:57:36.949
Well, he was watching.
1148
00:57:37.010 --> 00:57:40.809
He heard the knocking one night. He went outside. This
1149
00:57:40.849 --> 00:57:44.670
time there was nothing there. He finally got back to sleep.
1150
00:57:45.269 --> 00:57:47.829
But the next morning when he woke up to check
1151
00:57:47.869 --> 00:57:51.610
the security cameras, you can see the door knocker. It
1152
00:57:51.650 --> 00:57:54.170
was a big, heavy door latch. You know, those big
1153
00:57:54.250 --> 00:57:58.369
metal ones. He said, you can see it. coming all
1154
00:57:58.409 --> 00:58:02.389
the way up and slamming down. And he said it
1155
00:58:02.469 --> 00:58:06.429
did that four times. He, Joe actually set up some
1156
00:58:06.570 --> 00:58:13.449
EVP sessions. He would get growls and like guttural sounds, whispers,
1157
00:58:13.570 --> 00:58:16.659
but nothing, no distinctive words.
1158
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.760
He couldn't hear. I mean, you couldn't make anything out.
1159
00:58:19.820 --> 00:58:20.059
Yes.
1160
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:25.119
The next thing would be Rob, Vicki and Joe decided that, Hey,
1161
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.110
let's go kind of, scope out our property. This is
1162
00:58:29.190 --> 00:58:32.050
our property. Let's go digging around and see what we
1163
00:58:32.090 --> 00:58:35.760
can find. The very first bone that they found, Joe
1164
00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.269
found it.
1165
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:37.340
It was a femur.
1166
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.800
They dug it out of the leaves. It wasn't even buried, Jerry.
1167
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.059
It was sticking out of the leaves where you could
1168
00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:50.280
actually see it with the naked eye. So I find
1169
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.659
that strange. I don't know if maybe they were meant
1170
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.019
to find that. They had kept looking and they found
1171
00:58:56.780 --> 00:59:01.329
nine other bones, but I actually verified this with Mr.
1172
00:59:01.389 --> 00:59:05.829
Graves because it blew me away. They also found, probably
1173
00:59:05.869 --> 00:59:11.420
within three feet of that femur, a red t-shirt. Wow. a, yeah,
1174
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.900
it was a red t-shirt that it was ripped kind
1175
00:59:15.940 --> 00:59:19.889
of in the abdomen area. And Rob had said, it
1176
00:59:19.989 --> 00:59:24.070
looked like, like if someone grabbed the front of your t-shirt,
1177
00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:26.750
if you're in a fight and you turn to, to
1178
00:59:26.809 --> 00:59:30.869
run away, and it rips. He actually, this t-shirt, I
1179
00:59:30.889 --> 00:59:33.630
don't know if it was polo or something like that,
1180
00:59:34.150 --> 00:59:37.670
but he actually traced it back to the date of
1181
00:59:37.730 --> 00:59:41.869
this style of t-shirt. The date matches the same year
1182
00:59:42.130 --> 00:59:45.610
that the last victim went missing. Was it his shirt?
1183
00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:49.929
I think so, but they turned everything over to authorities
1184
00:59:50.190 --> 00:59:54.800
who were investigating it, They, you know, everyone knows that
1185
00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:58.500
Baumeister pretty much would strangle his victims. He would then
1186
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:04.460
dismember them and bury them at different places within the home.
1187
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:10.989
Police then investigated it when, after Baumeister's suicide, the investigation
1188
01:00:11.030 --> 01:00:14.929
kind of died off. But beforehand, Julia had allowed them
1189
01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:20.329
access into the home. And these are seasoned law enforcement officers.
1190
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.019
who have come in, I mean, they even had the
1191
01:00:23.139 --> 01:00:28.519
FBI come in, and every one of those officers said,
1192
01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:33.210
when you walk in that pool area, you just feel it.
1193
01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:36.500
It's evil. They said, you can feel the evil.
1194
01:00:36.820 --> 01:00:41.099
So, like I said, after Baumeister's suicide, they kind of,
1195
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:44.219
they kept looking. Like you said, they found over 52
1196
01:00:44.219 --> 01:00:48.570
bone fragments. They actually came along, I believe, not even
1197
01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:53.199
10 years ago, I believe they still found, you know,
1198
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:58.280
they're constantly finding them. But he's believed to have killed,
1199
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:02.840
you know, 20 people was the last number that I had.
1200
01:01:03.219 --> 01:01:06.610
He did the same thing to each one of these victims.
1201
01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:11.010
He strangled them. He dismembered them and buried them. And
1202
01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:15.610
everything was done. All of those murders were done in jail. pool,
1203
01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.969
that indoor pool area. There's been several paranormal investigators that
1204
01:01:20.010 --> 01:01:22.699
have gone in there. I'm sure, Jerry, you've seen a
1205
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.780
lot of their quote evidence. Some of it was a
1206
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:29.000
little far-fetched to me. I tend to lean more on
1207
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.980
the side of, you know, evidence. For me, that red
1208
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:37.139
t-shirt blew me away. I mean, someone out there, you know,
1209
01:01:37.389 --> 01:01:39.710
put that there. I say someone, I mean a ghost.
1210
01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:42.949
I do believe that place will constantly, I don't think
1211
01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.150
it will ever not be haunted because like one of
1212
01:01:46.190 --> 01:01:50.869
the law enforcement officers said, it's pure evil. Baumeister lured
1213
01:01:50.929 --> 01:01:54.710
these men knowing that he was going to kill them,
1214
01:01:55.050 --> 01:01:57.730
knowing that they weren't going to go home at night.
1215
01:01:58.230 --> 01:02:02.059
So I do believe that every one of those victims
1216
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.820
is probably still there. And I think they will continue
1217
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.920
to haunt the premises for as long as, I mean,
1218
01:02:10.539 --> 01:02:13.360
until they can get answers. And the sad thing is,
1219
01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:16.840
is that this case has gone cold and there's no
1220
01:02:17.139 --> 01:02:22.510
new updates since 1999, I believe is the last update.
1221
01:02:22.659 --> 01:02:26.110
That kind of That leads to a definite haunting, I
1222
01:02:26.130 --> 01:02:30.530
would think. But that's the story of Fox Hollow Farm.
1223
01:02:30.750 --> 01:02:33.329
Well, and then, you know, like you said, when the
1224
01:02:33.389 --> 01:02:35.989
heat got turned up, he fled to Canada.
1225
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.260
Canada and committed suicide.
1226
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.840
Yeah, and his attorney was trying to find him because
1227
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.639
he had a divorce going on during all this. And
1228
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.300
the attorney ended up contacting a judge saying he couldn't
1229
01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:51.340
find his client. But that's when they found his body
1230
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.239
after he had killed himself. He left a suicide note,
1231
01:02:54.260 --> 01:02:57.260
but he didn't mention anything in the suicide note about
1232
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.679
the deaths or anything.
1233
01:02:58.820 --> 01:02:59.300
He didn't.
1234
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.539
He apologized to his wife. Jerry, what exactly did.
1235
01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:04.079
I don't.
1236
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:08.119
Remember what his reasoning was. I say reasoning. I know
1237
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.570
he apologized to Julia. Did he mention financial distress as
1238
01:03:12.630 --> 01:03:15.110
a reason? I don't remember what the reason was.
1239
01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:17.650
Yeah, I don't remember the suicide note. I just know
1240
01:03:17.690 --> 01:03:21.380
that he didn't make any mention or any confession. at
1241
01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:23.619
all of anybody that was missing. But like I said,
1242
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.679
there were people all over the Midwest from the 80s
1243
01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:29.929
and the 90s that were missing that, you know, they
1244
01:03:30.190 --> 01:03:31.829
think he had a part of going all the way
1245
01:03:31.869 --> 01:03:34.409
back to, like you said, even his friend at an
1246
01:03:34.469 --> 01:03:37.650
earlier time in life. So there's no tellings how many
1247
01:03:37.710 --> 01:03:40.630
people were actually involved in this. It could be, you know, 30, 40,
1248
01:03:40.630 --> 01:03:42.269
50 people for all anybody knows.
1249
01:03:42.699 --> 01:03:43.030
Right.
1250
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:48.320
I mean, documented, it's from 1980 to 1996. But like
1251
01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:52.599
you said, Jerry, when he was as young as 16, 17,
1252
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.019
you know, who who knows how many missing, you know,
1253
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:59.380
missing persons could be attributed to this. And, you know,
1254
01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:02.909
of course, it's that area is going to be haunted. I,
1255
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.119
you know, of course, I would love to actually get
1256
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.239
my hands on it and do some hands on investigating
1257
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:10.730
from the paranormal.
1258
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:10.820
Side of it.
1259
01:04:10.949 --> 01:04:13.730
But at the same time, you know, that this story
1260
01:04:13.869 --> 01:04:16.769
is one of those that, you know, it's been years since.
1261
01:04:16.690 --> 01:04:18.730
I did it. But I dug out all my.
1262
01:04:18.630 --> 01:04:22.809
Notes and going over it, even just this evening, Jerry,
1263
01:04:22.869 --> 01:04:25.269
before we talk, it gives me the chills.
1264
01:04:25.650 --> 01:04:28.119
I mean, this one creeped me out. And I don't
1265
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:29.440
know if it's because there's a.
1266
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.800
True crime aspect to it, but if you think about it,
1267
01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:36.639
the majority of our hauntings that are discussed on Hillbilly
1268
01:04:36.659 --> 01:04:41.230
Horror Stories kind of tie back to a murder or
1269
01:04:41.369 --> 01:04:45.130
a sudden death. And I think that's why places are
1270
01:04:45.170 --> 01:04:47.650
haunted because these people want answers.
1271
01:04:48.610 --> 01:04:51.349
Cruelty in general. I mean, like we were talking earlier
1272
01:04:51.429 --> 01:04:54.550
off the air about our trip to New Orleans and
1273
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:57.539
Places we wanted to visit. When you talk about Madame
1274
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.559
Lalaurie's house, I mean, it was torturing of slaves. When
1275
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.630
you talk about Myrtle's plantation, once again, it involves cruelty
1276
01:05:05.650 --> 01:05:10.269
to slaves and killing of children, which we'll believe what
1277
01:05:10.289 --> 01:05:12.679
we want to believe because most people say that's just
1278
01:05:12.739 --> 01:05:16.699
a fictitious story. But a lot of these stories, you know,
1279
01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:19.519
they do change. tend to lead back to some kind
1280
01:05:19.579 --> 01:05:22.619
of cruelty, whether it be murder or just in general.
1281
01:05:22.940 --> 01:05:23.639
Exactly.
1282
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.860
And I think that a lot of times people, if
1283
01:05:27.980 --> 01:05:32.179
it involves cruelty or especially, you know, children, things like that,
1284
01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:35.630
people will just, they'll push it away and, no, that
1285
01:05:35.670 --> 01:05:36.510
didn't happen.
1286
01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:37.710
That's not true.
1287
01:05:38.289 --> 01:05:40.750
But the fact is that if you look into the
1288
01:05:40.809 --> 01:05:45.510
majority of these cases, they go back to a violent death,
1289
01:05:45.710 --> 01:05:51.369
violent or sudden or... you know, someone that died at
1290
01:05:51.389 --> 01:05:54.809
the hands of evil, you know, whatever that evil may be,
1291
01:05:54.889 --> 01:05:55.530
man or woman.
1292
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:01.019
Andrea, as usual, I really appreciate you coming on, but
1293
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.380
you're working on another show that we've actually been working
1294
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:05.380
on together for.
1295
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.119
Months now, but you're... And I'm so excited.
1296
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.550
One time when we were talking, I mentioned the fact
1297
01:06:10.590 --> 01:06:13.929
that I bet these, uh, some of these law enforcement
1298
01:06:13.969 --> 01:06:17.099
officers would have some cool stories and you've gathered five
1299
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.530
or six and some of these guys are sheriffs and, and,
1300
01:06:20.690 --> 01:06:24.000
and higher ups in the, uh, police departments, and we're
1301
01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:26.400
going to put together a show that's nothing but their
1302
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.440
paranormal stories.
1303
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.400
And what I'm looking forward to is that I have
1304
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.440
one for sure who is actually going to conference in
1305
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.940
with us, and he is going to tell you the
1306
01:06:36.980 --> 01:06:41.179
story in his own words. And that's what I'm looking
1307
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.239
forward to. It's very hard to get your law enforcement
1308
01:06:44.300 --> 01:06:45.420
officers to open.
1309
01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:46.590
Up about things like this.
1310
01:06:46.659 --> 01:06:49.710
So, you know, with a lot of A lot of
1311
01:06:49.730 --> 01:06:52.969
convincing and some more convincing and a lot of donuts.
1312
01:06:53.190 --> 01:06:54.489
I kid you not, donuts.
1313
01:06:55.469 --> 01:06:57.449
That's not stereotyping at all.
1314
01:07:00.869 --> 01:07:05.929
I mean, seriously, I have bought so many donuts. It's crazy.
1315
01:07:06.429 --> 01:07:10.570
But I have gotten three DPS troopers and I have
1316
01:07:10.909 --> 01:07:15.070
a sheriff, one of our local county sheriffs, and I
1317
01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:18.920
have two officers. So I think that, you know, we're
1318
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.559
off to a great start. I would like to get
1319
01:07:21.579 --> 01:07:23.360
a few more stories in there.
1320
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:23.900
I'd like to.
1321
01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:26.739
Have 10 stories, you know, and these are guys that
1322
01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:29.400
are actually going to allow me to use their name,
1323
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.619
which is unheard of. But some of these stories, you know,
1324
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.079
I can give you, if you have time, I can
1325
01:07:37.099 --> 01:07:39.519
give you a little bit of a teaser if you'd like.
1326
01:07:39.619 --> 01:07:42.389
Give me a teaser and we'll reflect back that the
1327
01:07:42.449 --> 01:07:44.929
reason this came about the very first time you were
1328
01:07:44.989 --> 01:07:47.940
on the show. We talked about a house. Was it
1329
01:07:47.980 --> 01:07:52.480
in Kirbyville? It was in Kirbyville, yeah. And there was
1330
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.320
a house that you did a story on, and one
1331
01:07:54.340 --> 01:07:56.320
of the officers said that he would go by, and
1332
01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:58.260
there was like a, what was it, a stand-up base,
1333
01:07:59.099 --> 01:07:59.639
I believe.
1334
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.159
Yeah, it was a stand-up base, and it was on
1335
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:06.530
like an antique stand. So, yeah, it was a heavy base.
1336
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:09.230
And this house was vacant at the time. And when
1337
01:08:09.429 --> 01:08:11.730
he went by, he noticed that it was in the
1338
01:08:11.769 --> 01:08:13.349
window at one point. And when he came back by,
1339
01:08:13.369 --> 01:08:16.189
it wasn't in the window. And that's what kind of
1340
01:08:16.220 --> 01:08:19.359
got us on this kick of law enforcement officers and
1341
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:23.159
the stories they might have. And so this actually, it's
1342
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.310
been over a year since you came on the first time.
1343
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.689
So this has been kind of in the works for
1344
01:08:27.750 --> 01:08:28.369
over a year now.
1345
01:08:29.409 --> 01:08:32.569
It has, and it's one of those shows that I
1346
01:08:32.649 --> 01:08:35.609
want to make sure that everything is perfect. You know,
1347
01:08:35.630 --> 01:08:40.250
I want all of my stories to be good. But because,
1348
01:08:40.529 --> 01:08:43.029
you know, we've both kind of been working at this
1349
01:08:43.109 --> 01:08:47.720
for so long, and I wanted stories not just, oh, yeah,
1350
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.060
teenage kid, you know, thought he saw his bedroom light,
1351
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:52.800
come on, you know, and we had to go out.
1352
01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:56.590
I don't want things like that. I want some... gritty
1353
01:08:56.989 --> 01:09:00.140
good stories that will blow you away and that's what
1354
01:09:00.149 --> 01:09:02.569
we've got. So I'm looking forward to it.
1355
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:03.859
So you have a teaser for us?
1356
01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:08.399
I do. And actually, the gentleman, his name is Paul Brister.
1357
01:09:08.619 --> 01:09:12.460
He is one of the first law enforcement officers that
1358
01:09:12.500 --> 01:09:13.020
I thought of.
1359
01:09:13.430 --> 01:09:16.489
He is the police chief in Carbyville, a little bitty
1360
01:09:16.529 --> 01:09:17.430
town in Carbyville.
1361
01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:22.960
And he actually has been there, gosh, he's been.
1362
01:09:22.819 --> 01:09:26.100
There for a long time. But during.
1363
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:29.560
When he was a, before he became police chief, he
1364
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.340
was just, he was a deputy with Jasper County. This
1365
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.960
is kind of another true crime one, but it's a
1366
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:38.359
lot shorter. There was a man who, I don't know
1367
01:09:38.390 --> 01:09:41.170
if you're familiar with Beaumont. Right outside of Beaumont is
1368
01:09:41.189 --> 01:09:44.649
a town called Orange. And this man who was high
1369
01:09:44.750 --> 01:09:48.050
on drugs, he was on meth, jumped a train and
1370
01:09:48.170 --> 01:09:51.979
rode a train from Orange County to Newton County. He then,
1371
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.779
he had gotten in a fight with his girlfriend and
1372
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.380
he had beat her up pretty bad. And so he
1373
01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:00.960
was running from the law. Well, he finds, he jumps
1374
01:10:01.020 --> 01:10:04.659
the train. He finds a trailer kind of in a
1375
01:10:04.699 --> 01:10:08.319
rural area in Kirbyville. And he goes in, he has
1376
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.739
a gun. He, the mom, her name is Gwen and
1377
01:10:11.899 --> 01:10:14.600
actually knows his family. Cause you know, in a small town,
1378
01:10:14.619 --> 01:10:18.090
you know, everybody. Gwen was asleep on the couch. She
1379
01:10:18.149 --> 01:10:21.390
has three daughters, one who is asleep on the couch
1380
01:10:21.449 --> 01:10:24.529
with her, two that are upstairs. This man, she, he
1381
01:10:24.569 --> 01:10:27.829
knocks on the door. Gwen thinks it's her brother Anthony.
1382
01:10:27.930 --> 01:10:30.710
She opens the door. He knocks her down. He shoots
1383
01:10:30.750 --> 01:10:34.010
her in the arm. The girls, the one that was
1384
01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:38.250
on the couch, sat up. They were nine, six, and four.
1385
01:10:38.329 --> 01:10:40.989
He shot her point blank in the chest. The other
1386
01:10:41.050 --> 01:10:44.850
two little girls were coming downstairs. Gwen managed to get
1387
01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:48.899
up and try to block the, like, she kind of,
1388
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.460
the girls were behind her, and she had her arms
1389
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:55.949
kind of behind her, but around her girls, and He
1390
01:10:55.989 --> 01:11:00.300
shot Gwen in the abdomen, and he then proceeded to
1391
01:11:00.939 --> 01:11:02.060
shoot both of the.
1392
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.039
Other little girls.
1393
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.569
One survived, and she actually had to testify, and it
1394
01:11:08.609 --> 01:11:11.630
was just, it was a horrific scene, but these little
1395
01:11:11.670 --> 01:11:15.789
girls are buried in the Kirbyville Cemetery. It's one of
1396
01:11:15.869 --> 01:11:20.390
those graves that No matter how long it's been, it's
1397
01:11:20.430 --> 01:11:23.449
still full of flowers. People just, they just, they can't
1398
01:11:23.510 --> 01:11:25.949
seem to grasp what happened. It was so, it was
1399
01:11:26.010 --> 01:11:29.189
just bad. Well, Chief was working in Jasper County at
1400
01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:32.979
this time, and after it happened, probably two years after,
1401
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.359
he got the job as police chief in Kirby. So
1402
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.079
he moved to Kirbyville, and he, you know, started doing
1403
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:42.850
his job. Well, Chief Say what he wants, but Chief
1404
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.920
likes ghost stories. He will tell you that he doesn't,
1405
01:11:45.979 --> 01:11:48.560
but he's just, he's a big fibber. I know for
1406
01:11:48.579 --> 01:11:51.399
a fact he loves it. So there was a paranormal
1407
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.189
group that had come out. It was just a little
1408
01:11:54.229 --> 01:11:56.569
bitty group. I think they were out of Jasper. And
1409
01:11:56.949 --> 01:11:59.710
they had come out. They were going to investigate this
1410
01:11:59.770 --> 01:12:04.710
cemetery because there's a so-called witch's grave. And I can't
1411
01:12:04.750 --> 01:12:08.250
verify any of that. So I don't think that that's correct.
1412
01:12:08.369 --> 01:12:11.390
But Chief was out there. He went with them because
1413
01:12:11.430 --> 01:12:14.000
they were going to be doing an investigation at night.
1414
01:12:14.500 --> 01:12:15.819
He did not know them.
1415
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.199
So he wanted to be present to make sure that,
1416
01:12:19.779 --> 01:12:22.520
you know, everything was accounted for. Nobody got in trouble,
1417
01:12:22.539 --> 01:12:25.119
did anything they weren't supposed to do. And I'm sure
1418
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.819
Chief was just kind of interested too. Well, you know,
1419
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.140
in cemeteries, how you have little kind of inroads that
1420
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.789
go you know, throughout the cemetery. Well, they were walking
1421
01:12:35.189 --> 01:12:40.010
and Chief bent over and he said, I can't breathe.
1422
01:12:40.869 --> 01:12:44.270
And one of the girls said, she was a paramedic.
1423
01:12:44.310 --> 01:12:47.670
She said, well, what's going on? He said, I can't breathe.
1424
01:12:48.109 --> 01:12:50.090
I think I'm having a heart attack. You need to
1425
01:12:50.130 --> 01:12:53.850
call 911. I mean, he was bent over. He was
1426
01:12:54.020 --> 01:12:56.789
on his knees on the ground. She said that he
1427
01:12:56.869 --> 01:13:01.029
was just as white as a goat. And so she,
1428
01:13:01.149 --> 01:13:03.310
you know, she's like, okay, we've got to, you know,
1429
01:13:03.350 --> 01:13:05.470
we've got to get him out of here. So they
1430
01:13:05.489 --> 01:13:07.369
were trying to get him back to the car. They
1431
01:13:07.430 --> 01:13:11.909
got him up. And within 10 steps, he was fine.
1432
01:13:12.149 --> 01:13:15.750
I mean, not even one minute had passed. His color
1433
01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:19.649
came back. He could breathe. He was fine. Do you
1434
01:13:19.689 --> 01:13:23.590
know where that took place at? where he lost his
1435
01:13:23.670 --> 01:13:26.350
breath and thought he was having a heart attack was
1436
01:13:26.470 --> 01:13:29.810
right at that little girl's grave that had gotten shot
1437
01:13:29.850 --> 01:13:33.529
in the heart. It's sad, and I hate to tell
1438
01:13:33.569 --> 01:13:38.329
that story, but Chief will probably come on and tell
1439
01:13:38.369 --> 01:13:41.649
you that story in his own words because he said,
1440
01:13:41.729 --> 01:13:47.640
that's one of the things that changed my mind towards paranormal.
1441
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.979
He said, I know I was not having a heart attack.
1442
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:55.289
I know now what it was. I mean, he was,
1443
01:13:55.869 --> 01:13:59.029
he went down on his knees in front of her grave.
1444
01:13:59.140 --> 01:14:00.729
So it's a very sad story.
1445
01:14:00.939 --> 01:14:01.189
I know.
1446
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.039
I hate to end on a sad story.
1447
01:14:03.340 --> 01:14:06.359
I hate that, but you know, it just, it goes
1448
01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:08.600
to show you that there are, you know, there's things
1449
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:12.079
out there that we don't understand and there's things out
1450
01:14:12.100 --> 01:14:14.779
there that we're not supposed to understand yet, but that
1451
01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:19.000
doesn't mean that we can't embrace them and try to
1452
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.189
try to learn from everything. That's what As always, I
1453
01:14:23.229 --> 01:14:27.409
can remember being, I started reading at a very early age.
1454
01:14:27.829 --> 01:14:31.279
And my mom brought me to a store called The Bookstop.
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01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:34.340
And she said, okay, you know, here's the children. I
1456
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.199
think I was like four. She said, okay, here's the
1457
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:40.220
children's section, this, that, and the other. And she said
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01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:44.350
the next thing she knew, I brought back scary stories
1459
01:14:44.409 --> 01:14:44.989
to tell.
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01:14:44.829 --> 01:14:46.250
In the dark. And I was three.
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01:14:46.270 --> 01:14:49.710
Okay. Sounds like destiny.
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01:14:49.869 --> 01:14:50.210
I know.
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01:14:50.289 --> 01:14:54.050
She said, well, at least she's reading, you know. But
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01:14:54.310 --> 01:14:57.010
I do look forward to. OK, I know I've been
1465
01:14:57.050 --> 01:14:59.720
on way too long, but I'm sorry, Jerry. I just
1466
01:14:59.779 --> 01:15:02.399
can't leave us with that sad story. So can I
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01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.439
just tell can I tell a funny one?
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01:15:04.579 --> 01:15:05.079
Sure.
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01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:07.119
OK, this is.
1470
01:15:07.100 --> 01:15:10.569
From Sheriff Billy Rolls, who will this is the one
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01:15:10.590 --> 01:15:12.369
that I want to get on on to tell stories.
1472
01:15:12.779 --> 01:15:16.239
to tell you his story too. Billy is an older gentleman.
1473
01:15:16.380 --> 01:15:20.180
He's very decorated. He was a state trooper. This was
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01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:24.340
in 1972. And we have an area out here in
1475
01:15:24.380 --> 01:15:28.119
the Piney Woods called Devil's Pocket. And I don't know
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01:15:28.180 --> 01:15:31.779
why it's called that. It's just always been called Devil's Pocket.
1477
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.819
Devil's Pocket is a, it's a dirt, one dirt road in,
1478
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:37.899
it's one in and out.
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01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:38.479
That's it.
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01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:43.430
And it's very, people out there are very Backwoods, they
1481
01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:47.670
choose to live that way. They don't bother anyone, but
1482
01:15:47.770 --> 01:15:52.770
they're just Backwoods people. Well, Billy got a call when
1483
01:15:52.810 --> 01:15:58.149
he was a trooper in 1972 that there was a
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01:15:58.350 --> 01:16:00.729
UFO in this lady's tomato patch.
1485
01:16:02.890 --> 01:16:05.029
And he said, oh, okay.
1486
01:16:06.050 --> 01:16:10.449
Okay, well, when someone calls 911, no matter how silly
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01:16:10.510 --> 01:16:13.920
it is, if they want an officer, they get an officer.
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01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.260
So Billy being the newbie where he got the call.
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01:16:18.899 --> 01:16:22.560
So he goes out there, he said, and he said,
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01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:24.420
I drive up, I get out of the car.
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01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.739
And, you know, Billy talks with a very country accent.
1492
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.920
He said, I get out the car and I look
1493
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.079
at her and she's got a 12 gauge shotgun sitting
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01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.529
in a rocking chair. And And I said, ma'am, can
1495
01:16:37.590 --> 01:16:39.810
I help you? You know, what's going on? And she said,
1496
01:16:40.270 --> 01:16:43.989
you just missed it. There was a flying saucer in
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01:16:44.050 --> 01:16:51.510
my tomatoes. And he ruined my tomatoes. So Billy said, well, ma'am,
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01:16:52.109 --> 01:16:57.640
did you get the license plate? And she looked at
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01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.800
him and she said, I don't appreciate you being funny.
1500
01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:03.560
And you may have a gun, but mine's bigger than yours.
1501
01:17:05.890 --> 01:17:09.550
So anyway, he took the report and he said, I
1502
01:17:09.590 --> 01:17:13.630
didn't see any evidence of any flying saucer, but some
1503
01:17:13.689 --> 01:17:15.310
of her tomatoes were squished.
1504
01:17:15.630 --> 01:17:16.250
So who knows?
1505
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:21.350
That's like some of my family members.
1506
01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:25.039
So there you go. But it's a lot funnier when
1507
01:17:25.060 --> 01:17:26.119
you hear Billy tell it.
1508
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:29.020
So hopefully, you know, I'll have him kind of give
1509
01:17:29.060 --> 01:17:30.159
his rendition of it.
1510
01:17:31.180 --> 01:17:33.760
So, We talked a little bit earlier about all the
1511
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:35.590
fun stuff we're going to do in New Orleans. So
1512
01:17:35.909 --> 01:17:37.850
you and your husband are going to tag along with
1513
01:17:37.869 --> 01:17:42.229
me and Tracy probably to Myrtles, probably to the cemeteries
1514
01:17:42.270 --> 01:17:46.250
to see Marie Laveau. And then you wanted to go
1515
01:17:46.409 --> 01:17:47.630
out to, what's the name of the swamp?
1516
01:17:48.569 --> 01:17:49.800
Manchac Swamp.
1517
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:51.439
Manchac Swamp.
1518
01:17:51.460 --> 01:17:52.140
Yes.
1519
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:53.840
And the last I.
1520
01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:55.260
Heard, the only way you could get out there is
1521
01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:56.979
to take a tour by swamp boat.
1522
01:17:57.220 --> 01:18:00.399
That's right. That's the only way that I know of
1523
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:00.840
as well.
1524
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.159
So we will have a lot of fun stories to
1525
01:18:04.220 --> 01:18:08.100
tell after our trip to New Orleans in August.
1526
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.359
Yes, we will. And we'll have lots of pictures for
1527
01:18:11.380 --> 01:18:13.479
the Instagram, too. Yay!
1528
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.989
Well, that's right. I forgot we got Instagram, too. I
1529
01:18:18.989 --> 01:18:19.970
always forget to post.
1530
01:18:20.750 --> 01:18:25.270
I know, because I always forget, too, because I gravitate
1531
01:18:25.310 --> 01:18:28.979
towards Facebook. But I'm sure Natasha will have a lovely
1532
01:18:29.029 --> 01:18:31.260
time putting up all the pictures that we send her.
1533
01:18:31.300 --> 01:18:35.560
And some of those will probably be quite funny.
1534
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:40.159
Andrea, thank you so much. Tell everybody again what newspaper
1535
01:18:40.180 --> 01:18:41.800
you work for and how they can find you online.
1536
01:18:42.130 --> 01:18:46.079
Yes, I work for the Jasper Newsboy. You can find
1537
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.970
us at jaspernewsboy.com. You can also find us on Facebook.
1538
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.720
That's pretty much where we try to keep everybody updated.
1539
01:18:53.819 --> 01:18:56.520
We're a weekly paper, but I try to update, you know,
1540
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.220
as much as I can on Facebook daily. And that's
1541
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:03.149
just facebook.com forward slash Jasper Newsboy. You can find me
1542
01:19:03.229 --> 01:19:08.109
on Facebook too, just under Andrea, Andrea Whitney. So I
1543
01:19:08.270 --> 01:19:12.109
really appreciate you guys having me on again, Jerry. It's
1544
01:19:12.229 --> 01:19:14.689
always such an honor. It really is.
1545
01:19:15.430 --> 01:19:17.989
Well, everybody loves listening to you, so we're glad to
1546
01:19:18.029 --> 01:19:20.270
have you on. And thank you so much for making
1547
01:19:20.329 --> 01:19:23.189
it time for us and actually getting this accomplished on
1548
01:19:23.229 --> 01:19:23.949
the first try.
1549
01:19:24.909 --> 01:19:25.409
I know.
1550
01:19:25.529 --> 01:19:26.130
It's crazy.
1551
01:19:26.149 --> 01:19:28.470
You know, I was still an hour late, but hey,
1552
01:19:28.569 --> 01:19:30.970
we got it done. I was an hour late.
1553
01:19:31.250 --> 01:19:33.270
It happened on the same day, and that's a plus.
1554
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:38.300
Yes, and I do want to say to the listeners
1555
01:19:38.380 --> 01:19:41.949
that I appreciate all the feedback and the kind words
1556
01:19:42.050 --> 01:19:44.470
whenever I was going through all that with Dennis. I
1557
01:19:44.529 --> 01:19:49.729
will keep everyone updated as things progress, and hopefully we'll
1558
01:19:49.770 --> 01:19:51.109
get some news.
1559
01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:56.949
I hope so. Sounds like a plan. I'll keep everybody updated.
1560
01:19:56.979 --> 01:20:00.279
All right, babe. We will see you in New Orleans
1561
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:01.180
in a month and a half.
1562
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:01.840
I know.
1563
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.020
I cannot wait. I am so ready. All right, babe.
1564
01:20:05.300 --> 01:20:05.720
See you then.
1565
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.159
All right. Thank you so much.
1566
01:20:09.060 --> 01:20:11.350
As usual, Andrea does not disappoint.
1567
01:20:11.750 --> 01:20:15.710
No, she doesn't. She's really a good storyteller, I think,
1568
01:20:15.789 --> 01:20:16.189
as well.
1569
01:20:16.390 --> 01:20:18.029
She is, and what's good about her is, I mean,
1570
01:20:18.069 --> 01:20:21.550
she literally has been a reporter for a big part
1571
01:20:21.569 --> 01:20:23.729
of her life. And like I said, now she's the editor-in-chief,
1572
01:20:23.750 --> 01:20:27.039
but she still gets in all these things. So she's
1573
01:20:27.100 --> 01:20:29.560
one of the few people in the country that's in
1574
01:20:29.579 --> 01:20:33.590
the newspaper industry that takes paranormal very seriously. And loves
1575
01:20:33.630 --> 01:20:36.130
to write articles on it. And that's why her articles
1576
01:20:36.229 --> 01:20:39.069
are picked up around Halloween time for papers all over
1577
01:20:39.109 --> 01:20:42.039
the country because she puts so much effort into it.
1578
01:20:42.100 --> 01:20:43.560
Yeah, she's a pretty cool chick.
1579
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:45.739
Yep. And she's going to follow us around in New
1580
01:20:45.819 --> 01:20:48.159
Orleans and some of the other podcasts down there. And
1581
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.270
she's on the podcast bandwagon. That's what I love about her.
1582
01:20:51.300 --> 01:20:54.520
She wrote an article on us already that's put out.
1583
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.789
She's working on another one, a follow-up on us. And
1584
01:20:57.810 --> 01:20:59.489
then we're going to tie this whole New Orleans trip
1585
01:20:59.569 --> 01:21:02.510
all in with that article. So thank you so much, Andrea.
1586
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:03.859
Yes, thank you, doll.
1587
01:21:04.939 --> 01:21:08.680
Guys, looking forward to next week. We don't mention it
1588
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:10.300
very much on here. We do it a little bit
1589
01:21:10.340 --> 01:21:17.460
at the end. But Patreon, you guys are always looking
1590
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.220
out for us. We greatly appreciate that. If you would
1591
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:23.640
like to help the show out financially, and maybe someday, eventually,
1592
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:26.000
I can get out of my crappy job. I didn't
1593
01:21:26.020 --> 01:21:28.399
mean that. I love my job. If anybody that works
1594
01:21:28.420 --> 01:21:32.380
with me is listening. But... You know, a little bit
1595
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.380
of money, if you throw it our way, you get
1596
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.520
some extra episodes. And we're working on possibly doing a
1597
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.659
little bit of change for the first episode. I've got
1598
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.079
a poll up. We'll see what happens because the very
1599
01:21:42.619 --> 01:21:45.060
first of the month, we have another Patreon episode coming out.
1600
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.949
We usually do listener stories only on that first episode.
1601
01:21:50.430 --> 01:21:53.430
The second episode of the month, which comes out on
1602
01:21:53.449 --> 01:21:55.949
the 15th, is much like a regular story like you
1603
01:21:55.970 --> 01:21:58.090
heard today. We don't do any interviews or anything on those.
1604
01:21:58.430 --> 01:22:01.659
It's about 45 minutes of us telling stories. stories just
1605
01:22:01.729 --> 01:22:05.029
like the lighthouse story and sometimes they're a couple small
1606
01:22:05.069 --> 01:22:08.609
sometimes it's true crime and sometimes it's paranormal sometimes it's
1607
01:22:08.649 --> 01:22:11.390
a mixture of both but the first episode is you
1608
01:22:11.409 --> 01:22:14.909
guys calling in and telling us your stories and after
1609
01:22:14.949 --> 01:22:16.750
a year doing that i think we might change it
1610
01:22:16.789 --> 01:22:18.390
up a little bit we put up a poll on
1611
01:22:18.409 --> 01:22:21.909
our patreon and it seems like most people are leaning
1612
01:22:21.989 --> 01:22:25.220
towards still doing some of the calls but mixing in
1613
01:22:25.260 --> 01:22:27.539
some of the stories and just doing a little half
1614
01:22:27.579 --> 01:22:30.239
and half So that's probably what it looks like we
1615
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:31.819
may be doing on this next one. But I'm going
1616
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:33.359
to leave the poll up for a couple more days
1617
01:22:33.739 --> 01:22:36.479
and give some people more time to jump in. So
1618
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.619
if you are hearing this and haven't seen that poll,
1619
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:43.020
go on to Patreon and look at your notifications and
1620
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:44.890
log in so we can make a decision on that.
1621
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:47.970
And I guess I'm going to try to wrap.
1622
01:22:48.850 --> 01:22:49.130
Yes.
1623
01:22:49.409 --> 01:22:50.170
Sorry, everybody.
1624
01:22:50.189 --> 01:22:53.470
The return of Tracy Rapps for the 100th episode.
1625
01:22:53.810 --> 01:22:54.630
Oh, my gosh.
1626
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.560
Yeah, it's the gift that keeps on giving, really.
1627
01:22:58.779 --> 01:22:59.659
Is that what you call it?
1628
01:22:59.699 --> 01:22:59.920
Yeah.
1629
01:23:00.100 --> 01:23:01.479
No, I call it torture.
1630
01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:04.210
And you guys all weighed in on this, and there
1631
01:23:04.229 --> 01:23:06.810
was a couple of them that were neck and neck,
1632
01:23:07.029 --> 01:23:09.130
but we've decided on Ice Ice Baby.
1633
01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:10.890
Well, we'll see.
1634
01:23:11.630 --> 01:23:12.369
It's going to happen.
1635
01:23:13.649 --> 01:23:19.729
I just would like to apologize in advance. And I
1636
01:23:19.770 --> 01:23:21.710
really do love y'all. I'm trying to hurt you.
1637
01:23:22.609 --> 01:23:24.149
Yeah, like a little Tracy Nice.
1638
01:23:24.529 --> 01:23:24.810
Nice.
1639
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:26.649
Oh, good grief.
1640
01:23:27.189 --> 01:23:29.289
But anyway, we love you guys. We hope you have
1641
01:23:29.350 --> 01:23:32.770
a fabulous week. And we will talk to you guys later.
1642
01:23:32.810 --> 01:23:34.829
Tune in next week. You will not want to miss
1643
01:23:34.869 --> 01:23:40.350
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1644
01:23:40.369 --> 01:23:42.470
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1645
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01:23:55.140 --> 01:23:57.600
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