Planet MK: Experiments, Applications, & Observation of Consciousness | Emily Moyer

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Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome
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Emily Moyer is a nutrition consultant and storyteller, as well
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as the host and producer of a number of different podcasts.
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She brings a unique blend of unusual life experiences and
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intuitively directed research, as well as skills and analysis, synchronisticism,
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and human development. Emily, welcome. How you doing good?
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Chris, Nice to see you, Nice to meet you.
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I'm happy to be here and looking forward to what
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I think will be an interesting to have today.
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Always is Yes, I'm very excited to share your insights
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and experiences with the audience. You're an og in the
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alternative media space, and as you said in your messages,
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you're also initiated into the mushroom Mystery School, which I
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can relate to as well. I thought we could share
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a bit about your journey and current understanding of the
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nature of this human experience, some of the things that
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you're working on before we get to.
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Any of that.
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This is your first time on tell the audience just
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a little bit about yourself and how they can find
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out more about you.
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Sure.
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So, my YouTube channel is my name, and that's kind
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of like the launching point into everything. It's Emily Moyer.
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I also have a website. It's very basic Emily cmoyer
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dot com. But I have stuff on Patreon, Local rock Finn.
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I think I'm probably gonna start a substack with the
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new series, but that's not ready yet. And there's also
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a lot of my older material on the Off Planet
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Randy Muggin's Off.
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Planet Media TV YouTube channel.
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I was a co host and producer there for a
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number of years before I went out on my own.
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So those are the places you can find my work.
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Let's see.
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So, I grew up in Los Angeles, California, simultaneously sort
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of tracking in gymnastics. I was a competitive gymnast and
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also dabbling a bit in Hollywood is truckild and so
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those are kind of interesting places to start. At a
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certain point, sort of the Hollywood trailed off from you
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for a while because I became much more interested in gymnastics,
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and I pursued gymnastics from the time that I was two,
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so I was about twenty, and then kind of went
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back into a little bit of Hollywood stuff with stunt
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doubling for a while.
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And then I found.
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Myself into sort of an underground dance music culture that
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kind of took the place of those two things as
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I was becoming more of an adult, and along that
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road started to discover some interesting things about myself and
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my family that all kind of got ticked off.
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You know.
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I had a strange year in two thousand and five,
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right my stepbrother died very unexpectedly in a tragic way,
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which leaves you a little bit open and raw. And
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I had also returned to college. Like I had been
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to college many times, I had done gymnastics in college.
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But I'd never finished.
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So I had returned to college and found myself in
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a class called the sociology of drug use, and in
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this period of time when I was sort of raw,
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part of the class was well, the whole class really
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was an examination of the way drugs had interacted with society,
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and I learned about Gary Webb and the Dark Alliance
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and the Iran contra crack cocaine constellation of things, and
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that was sort of my first real deep dive into
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the concept of problem reaction.
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Solution or whatever it is.
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And then also there was a small bit of the
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course that touched on mc ultra, and when the term
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was spoken for some reason, like I had this noticeable
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sort of response to it that was different than the
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response to almost anything else, both in that it almost
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like triggered something like I know what that is.
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And then the explanation given in the.
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Class for what it was didn't feel like it matched
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up to what instinctively I sort of thought it was.
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So my dives into m k LTRA began, and the
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farther I dove, the closer to home I found myself.
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And I've been dealing with sort of the not the fallout,
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but just the ramifications of that understanding.
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Since then. It's gone through a I've been through.
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A roller coaster, right like I've been, you know, a
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drug addict, locked in my room for five or ten years,
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researching and not socializing, and then at a certain point
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I emerged from that and started to find my way
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back into the normal world.
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And my media content has been.
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Part of that process of sort of moving my understanding
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from inside of my head to out out onto the
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conversation table, and that process has evolved my consciousness and
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my understanding of who I am, what this is, what
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we are doing, and what even that was MK ultra
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constantly since I first started talking about it, which was
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I think my first appearance on Randy's show was in
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twenty sixteen, sort of like yeah, in twenty sixteen, and
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I was the guest and we resonated, and I started
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doing more regular shows with him, and then then became
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a permanent co host and then just sort of branched
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off from there. And I think over time I've developed
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sort of I guess I always had this, like when
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I was doing my research in the dark years, I
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understood that I had a unique way of connecting the dots,
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but it was difficult to explain to people in the
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condition that I was in, which was both traumatized and
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on drugs, and as I've become healthier as a person
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but also gotten more experience sort of talking about things,
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I think I've developed unique ways to translate my own
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inner sort of dot connecting methods into stories and ways
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of explaining things that maybe are a little bit different
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than other people who talk about MK ultra or talk
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about sort of metaphysics or synchro mysticism, because for me,
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it's all those things are all combined as well, like
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a deep interest I have in the music, arts and
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certain kinds of technology and science that you know, makes
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maybe for some interesting storytelling as a way to explain concepts.
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And then also just having had a background as an.
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Athlete, I weave a lot of sports and a lot
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of stuff from the electronic music scene, my experience in
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the underground dance music culture, both with like engaging the
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music and the events themselves, but also the drug culture
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sort of into to the way that I tell stories,
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and it's kind of become I guess that's just what
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I do now, right, Like it's just weave together all
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of the wild threads into a cohesive and somewhat coherent
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sort of delivery that is entertaining, maybe but also I
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think pokes at new ways to understand that some of
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the same old material go on.
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Right, Well, I love it, and I love that your
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journey was in a sense involving your audience and they
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were a part of it. It was very much the
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same way for me. Whenever I started this show, I
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was seeking spirituality, I was seeking everything. I had no
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idea what the hell was going on, and I kind
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of took the audience through that journey of awareness and
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understanding with me, which I think is very cool, but
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help my audience understand a little bit more about your
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journey and those connections you were talking about, like MK
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ultra and some of the other threads synchronisticism.
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Yeah, so I mean.
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When I first so when I first started researching MK ltra,
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like I said, I started right away in two thousand
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and five, right, And you know, like the starting point
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for me was just basically the information that was in
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the some of the handouts that had been given to
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me in this class, and that of course was like
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your Operation Midnight Climax kind of stuff, right, like acid
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and hookers and one way mirrors and that kind of thing.
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And you know, I started to dig and learned a
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little bit about, you know, some of the other like
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code named projects.
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I learned about that MCLTRA was.
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Sort of an umbrella, and that there was a lot
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of other like Naomi and Search and often, and that
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all of this had been preceded by projects like Chatter
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and Bluebird and Art of Choke and whatnot. And then simultaneously,
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like there was a lot of during that like late
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two thousands period of time, a lot of people starting
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to come out on the Internet and talking about their
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experiences as sex slaves or super soldiers or or you
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know whatnot. And all of those stories had some things
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about them that rang familiar to me, but didn't feel
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like exactly made sense to me right in terms of
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like why this resonates, Why I'm so.
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Interested in this?
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But I continued to dig and and as I really
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started to understand it more as like really having a
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lot to do with like drugs and then sort of
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the extended abilities of human beings on some level, I
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started to almost it was kind of weird. It was
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like I started to display that potential in my research
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because I was on drugs and I was also developing
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a very psychic way of like knowing where to look
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next for the connecting bit of information, right. And it
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was weird sometimes how I knew where to go to
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look for information, what parts of stories or narratives I
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knew to pursue that was like maybe not the part
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that was being highlighted in the interview or highlighted in
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the article or whatever, but for some reason it had
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like that was the part that was pulling at me, right.
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And I guess somewhere around like two thy eleven twenty twelve,
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I found myself living in an apartment in downtown Los
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Angeles where, you know, at a time, I was like
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going to a lot of parties. There was a lot
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of weird things going on, and I started to undoubtedly
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have some what I would call kind of like strange
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crossover extra type of experiences right where I would.
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Sort of wake up feeling like I had been somewhere.
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That was not just sleeping in my bed all night,
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or you know, I would have precognitive types of not
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like some major thing, but strange precognitive types of experiences.
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And like I guess, I started to like play allow
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myself to think in my head maybe for the first time.
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This is like six or seven years of research in
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that like, maybe the reason the MK ulture thing, like
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I was so focused on it for so long and
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why it resonated so hard, is that there was some
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some truth to it for me.
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And I started to really dig into.
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Like my history as as a gymnast, like where I
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was at, what time, like where, like what was going
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on at the gym I was at in the in
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the late seventies, what was going on in Chatsworth, California
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where I grew up, and you know a few other
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things I had been involved in as a kid. And
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I started to recognize that it did match the profile
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of where like of projects both things like Project Talent
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or the Gifted and Talented Program, but also where there
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was sort of crossover between.
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Let's say corporations or in GEO type of.
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Or like nonprofit organizations and maybe some governmental projects and activities.
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And so I started to kind of just dig into
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my own story for and that's really where things started
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to get interesting, because I really zeroed in on Chatsworth
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as sort of one of these unless acknowledged or unacknowledged
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sort of like hotbeds of of not just M cultra,
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but just of like classified governmental projects in general, and
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I talked about Chatsworth a lot in my work.
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And I also found myself in this.
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Really strange situation where I started to feel like I
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had to get out of my apartment I was living
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in downtown LA and I started to feel scared. I
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started to feel like something not good was going to happen.
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I don't know where I was getting this. It was
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something in the threads of my research that made me
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feel on some weird level like I was in danger.
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Escaped from the apartment and moved back to Chatsworth with
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my dad, And just weeks later, Alisa Lamb ended up
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in the tank of a water of the water in
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the water tank on top of the Cecil Hotel, literally
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just a block away from from my apartment.
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And when the the.
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Tracked like not just where she had been in the
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days leading up to that, but also like her web
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her web content in the days, like what she had
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been consuming, what she had been looking at, what she
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had been posting or looking at. It was very very
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similar to mine. So I think there was some sort
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of a game at play in downtown Los Angeles that
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involved the Cecil Hotel. In fact, like there's in one
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of my Paywall series, we had like a research group
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chat group, and we dug deep into the Cecil Hotel
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and there was actually something inside of the Cecil Hotel
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called the Invisible Light Agency, which is pretty weird. So there,
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I just feel like there was something activating about that
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location in downtown LA. Like I don't know if you
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remember this from the story, but simultaneous to her going missing,
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there was a tuberculosis outbreak in downtown Los Angeles, and
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the test for tuberculosis is called lam melisa. So I
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don't know if this was some biological warfare kind of
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exercise right that that was part of this or what
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was going on, But somehow I knew to get out
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and then it was like literally it happened like a
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week and a half or two weeks after I moved,
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all that stuff went down.
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I don't know if that was just.
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Coincidence or if what I was feeling was, you know,
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something real. But once I moved back to Chatsworth, I
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very very slowly started getting my life together, and it
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got worse before it got better. And as you know,
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that sort of process of trying to get clean from
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drugs and trying to make some.
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Changes in my life and whatnot.
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Just started to reveal to me more and more over time,
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like where the odd areas in my life were, who
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the odd people were.
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And eventually I discovered.
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In the garage of my father's house, like a box
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of papers that seems to indicate that my mom had
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been working on projects associated to this kind of stuff
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in the seventies before I was born, when they were
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living in London, and she was actually working for a
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company that was either like a subsidiary or just located
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approximately to Tavistock in London, right my mom worked in
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the oil industry supposedly, but in all of her papers
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from London, I saw a lot of stuff about drug studies,
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and my dad had no idea. There was like one
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paper about oil and then all these papers about drug studies.
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And what was interesting about some of these papers is
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that some of the things that they were studying and
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testing were like thoughts that I had had, were things
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that had happened to me over the course of the year,
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right years, Like I remember being at a rave one
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time and I had taken acid and it was like
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really really clear to me that there was some way
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of monitoring, like through either brain waves or or like
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some sort of.
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Detector like who had taken acid?
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Right, Like, like I don't know why I was even thinking,
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Like I was dancing, and it was like I felt
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like you could see like almost like they're like there
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was this some sort of like stain or glow that
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could be detected. And like literally in her paper it
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was talking about like once they'd test acid on these
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rats and there's a certain glow that you can pick
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up off of them, right permanently or something like that, Right,
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And there's like all kinds of weird stuff in her papers,
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like you know, she had you know, interactions with like
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the World Health Organization and and you know other uh
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you know, un and this and that, like asking for
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studies papers, this, that and the other thing, and like
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even some strange notes from like other people she was
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working with, talking about how her research was gonna be
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for like the long game as opposed to this work.
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And like I don't, right, I like I don't, I
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don't know what that means.
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And unfortunately, by the time that I discovered this, my
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mom was dissenting into dementia right, And and the dementia
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phase was really interesting, right, like because you could it
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was really difficult to get a straight answer from her,
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but sometimes like just she would say things that were like, Oh, yes,
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that's what I'm that's.
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What I'm looking for, that's what I'm talking about.
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And and so you know, I started looking more deeply
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into both her side of the family and my father's
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and started.
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To recogniz eyes that you know, I come.
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From a deeply weird family that has you know, links
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and connections back into the types of like industries and
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programs and groups and whatnot that would.
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Be how you would get sort of set up for
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something like this.
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And so, you know, once the outrage was over for me,
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you know, at a certain point, like I got tired
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of being you know, like upset about this or whatever,
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and I just started to become like more curious as
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to like what's the actual like background to this, what's
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the real play here, because I felt like I had
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like maxed out on where you could get when you
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study it from the point of like you know, something
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like evil that's being done to the population, or this
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is all about mind control or behavior modification, No doubt
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that's part of it. But when you really look at
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what they were doing. Like, there's no way that that
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was the answer every or even most of the time
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as to what they were doing, right, because I've done,
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like I like to say, I've done, you know, way
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more research than your average drug user, but also way
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more drugs than your average researcher. And I know what
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my interactions with drugs and the kind of other external
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stimuli that were often used visual and auditory in these
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kinds of projects and programs, and like, yeah, sure, like
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there can be some degree of paranoia and once in
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a while you'll see that like person that you know
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could probably be easily coached into doing something crazy, But
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for me, most of my experiences were educational on many
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levels in terms of like the kinds of things I
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thought about, the kind of experiences I had, and for me,
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like there's a lot there when it comes to potential
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for understanding things related to nuclear physics, genetics, time travel,
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dimensional travel, right, extended states, you know, alternate versions of yourself,
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all of this kind of stuff. And what did they
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do with the people who responded saying stuff like that,
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we don't ever hear anything about that.
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It's just like the.
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Very sort of weaponized you know, Manchurian candidate type of answer.
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But if you go and look at the companies and
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corporations that have been started that rule our lives now
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whose owners used to be contractors with the CIA during
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the period of time that is mkltruck, those corporations sure
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seem to be maximizing the similar types of ideas for
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what can be done with technology and science or whatever.
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That would have been the other half of the results,
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at least the half maybe even more than that of
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the sort of responses or answers or experiences people came
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back with. But for some reason, like we think of
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that as sort of separate or different instead of saying, like, oh,
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like there were people that were involved in these projects
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that had the experience that led to the pursuit of
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these technologies or ideas, where are their stories?
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It seems, based on many others experiences similar to yours,
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that there is a heavy reliance on people who are
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in multi generational intelligence families, people who have been born
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into certain bloodlines. Possibly would you say that that's the case,
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that this is a multigenerational program, whether it's for like
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you said, extremely nefarious or benevolent purposes at times, but
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there seems to be a spectrum of uses that these
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people are.
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Spectrum is the spectrum is the best way to describe it,
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because I'm not discounting all the icky stuff too, but
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it's just not the only thing.
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Okay, So as far as the generation, so it's.
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Definitely been and continues to be multi generational. But I
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do think that what we have thought about as like
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generational within the family probably.
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Up till now, but I'd say this started to probably.
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Change like eighties nineties, right, you know, is now being accomplished,
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like on a more external global level in terms of
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like all the encouragement of migration and marriage of different
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cultures together and whatnot are able to produce individuals with
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unique combinations of genetics that would be sort of like
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the next step in the recipe.
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So where it used.
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To be we wanted to keep, like, you know, I
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think it used to be much more specific, we want
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our child to marry someone from this family, either because
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their genetics continue the strain, or maybe there's something in
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there that is an amplification or a plus one or
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plus two on like whatever it is we're trying to do, right,
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And it was very much like you'd seek out. You'd
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seek that out by what clubs your kid was in
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as a kid. Were they in Job's Daughters or Demo
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let or or you know, Rainbow Girls or whatever, or
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even what school you sent your kids to. Right like
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that you kind of like, you know, and I can
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find all of this at play, like particularly in my
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mom's background.
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Right, Like, my mom's father used to work for the
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War Department.
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They came from Virginia and Ohio and suddenly like they
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made a certain choice at a certain point to move
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out to California where he became a banker, right, and
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he was amazing, He was amazing. And my mom was
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in all that you know, Job's daughter stuff when she
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was a kid, and he had her like all set
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up to go to Stanford, like that was where he
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wanted her to go, and she didn't want to. She
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wanted to go to UCLA. For him, that was like
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the little Red schoolhouse. But I also think that he
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was irritated because he had things set up for her there,
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but also like that he could protect her there. Right, Like,
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when you're in a system where children are identified for more.
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Than just oh it's wasn't it wonderful?
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This is a child, but for their potential in other ways,
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like maybe you want to maximize that, but you also
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want to have some say, right, And I think these
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things used to be cultivated sort of that way, in
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these bloodlines, you know, and multi generational families and whatnot.
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My dad's family something a little bit different, And I'll
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get into that in just a second, But what I
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was saying is like I think now, because you know,
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because of technology, because the way the world has modernized
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and whatnot, there has been a recognition that lots of
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other groups of people have interesting qualities in their genetics
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as well that might even be more potent for some
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of the coming types of things that are wanted to
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see happen in the world.
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Like there's a lot of DNA based.
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Technologies coming right, a lot of like you know, technologies
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that are going to literally be powered by the things
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that are in our body. And so there are different
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groups of people whose genetics may be more appropriate for
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that than in the past. Right now, there's always going
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to be some bloodlines that maintain, but now they also
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want to make use of all the other available material too.
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They see humans as resources.
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Right.
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One of the things with the ideas of.
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Bloodlines or multi generational families or whatever it is is.
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It's often times really focused on like specific you know,
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I remember when I first started researching m culture, it
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was always like, oh, it was more of the sort
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of Celtic bloodlines or like sometimes it would be like
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Celtic with a little bit of Native American uh whipped
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in there or whatever. This is what they were looking
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for for sort of mcultra or this, that and the
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other thing. And like that may be true for one project, right,
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but there's all different kinds of things going on that
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different different sets of genetics or different backgrounds or bloodlines
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would be good for and so it you know, if
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we're talking about like bloodline wealthy powerful families with like
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crests and billions of dollars or you know family crests
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00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.400
and bid billions of dollars, that's one thing. But the
492
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.440
interest in genetics is another part of that, and that
493
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.920
doesn't always go along with the pomp and circumstance that
494
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.799
we think of of like your you know multi generational
495
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.240
you know Illuminati or whatever thirteen families or or even
496
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.079
some of the like generational SRA families. All that stuff
497
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.359
is a thing, but there's different things in different cultures
498
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.960
and different genetics. And my father's family is Jewish, and
499
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:20.960
that is not something that's generally talked about in the
500
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:24.319
sort of mk ultra circles as much, or at least
501
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:28.519
not until recently, when you have like you know, the
502
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.359
sort of kinds of exposures that you get from like
503
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.279
a Kanye West about like my Jewish.
504
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.880
Handler or whatever it is. But you know, I.
505
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.759
Actually know a lot of people that I believe to
506
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:43.680
be like I don't know.
507
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.480
We just kind of term each other sort of like project.
508
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:50.359
People or like you know whatever special cases that have
509
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.599
all kinds of unique combinations like my mom is German
510
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:58.079
and Dutch and my dad is Jewish, and there's you know,
511
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.200
like there's that's that. You know, I know other people
512
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.920
with a similar combination to that. I know lots of
513
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.000
Asian people who there's like a full sort of Asian
514
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.839
m kaltra line of things.
515
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.079
There's no it's part of the like, in my opinion,
516
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.480
the sort of.
517
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.880
Red herring lore like to focus in on just like
518
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.079
there's one specific special kind and everything else is sort
519
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.640
of less than that. It might be different, right, but
520
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.039
one of the traits that they are really interested in
521
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.640
in my opinion, like, and I think this is where
522
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.440
like the deep strain comes through. My mother is like
523
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:43.200
they're they're like they're very interested in in schizophrenia. Scott
524
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.119
like the Scottish Frite. If you look into who like
525
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.240
sort of funds a lot of studies and what not
526
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:55.039
on schizophrenia and who contributes to to all of that stuff,
527
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.839
it's Scottish Frite Freemasons. Thank you to Thomas from Paranoid
528
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.599
American who sort of to help educate me on some
529
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.079
of this. But my mom's father was a lifelong member
530
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.759
of the Schizophrenia International Research Society, and I think my
531
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.759
mom had some sort of like compartmentalized, you know, low
532
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.640
level schizophrenia. And I think for some of these groups
533
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.160
that is a plus because I'm of the belief that
534
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:31.160
the things that schizophrenics are seeing and hearing are there,
535
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:36.319
we're just not seeing them there, right, And so you know,
536
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.400
like if there's an entire sort of multi dimensional reality
537
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:46.440
around us, and some people have the ability to tap
538
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.920
into that to see it right, you know, and other
539
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.200
cultures they work with them.
540
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.720
Here we pathologize it.
541
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.799
But essentially, if you're interested in mapping out hyperspace, which
542
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.200
we know they are based on the extended Stay eight
543
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.599
d MT trials and different things they've done with psychedelics.
544
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.759
Like no better sort of informant or reconnaissance character for
545
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:14.880
you than someone with you know, a manageable level of schizophrenia,
546
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.319
and schizophrenia has a lot to do, Like I'm gonna
547
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.440
say in my opinion, but like there's some correlation and
548
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.519
research out there.
549
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:23.799
With the eyes.
550
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:31.759
And the ability to detect sort of electromagnetic anomalies, and
551
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.759
that's sort of where I think some of these things lie.
552
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.680
Like what they're what is being perceived as you know,
553
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.319
other beings or other stuff going on in the space
554
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.359
is happening at a place where there is this sort
555
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.960
of electromagnetic anomally that they're able to pick up on.
556
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.279
So I spent a lot of time sort of researching that.
557
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.319
My mom was a lifelong sort of subject of the
558
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.440
same eye doctor at UCLA and and she was studyed,
559
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.240
you know, she went to Jules stein I Institute for
560
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.960
for Issues with Eyes for whole life. And so it
561
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.279
also led me to go down some different paths than
562
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:10.440
just looking into like the neuropsychiatric aspects.
563
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.920
Of mind control and MK ultra I've looked deeply into.
564
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:22.639
Issues with secret societies, the oculist society, optical issues, you know,
565
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.400
and then sort of what a lot of these projects
566
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:32.039
might look like today if we don't accept the false
567
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.920
transparency that the projects were ended and instead say, well,
568
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.440
what would it look like if they had continued, maybe
569
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:40.880
disguised as something else.
570
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.519
And I've spent a lot of media.
571
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.280
Social media, but also like for me of the rave
572
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.000
scene in the underground dance music culture, right and for
573
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.480
me that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Like I've definitely
574
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.719
been to parties where there's like some weird, dark shit
575
00:34:58.800 --> 00:34:59.079
going on.
576
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.679
You're like, what the heck is? But I've also been.
577
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.360
Fortunate enough to be part of a scene that is
578
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.320
at times operating at the height of audio and visual
579
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.760
and lighting technology, and and you can start to see,
580
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.519
you know, like you can see where these technologies would
581
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.239
have gone. And so if I'm doing this in an
582
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.480
entertainment realm and I'm already starting to process information and
583
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:37.559
make sort of being able to identify sort of other
584
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.760
vibrational realms that exist just outside of our normal field
585
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.719
division in these environments, then you know there's people that
586
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.360
are doing this in the lab and they're able to
587
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.760
start to you know, like map out and investigate and
588
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.559
explore sort of the multi dimensional omnidirectional field that is
589
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:05.039
all around us. And you know, so one way, lighting
590
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.760
and sound is a huge part of m CALTRA, like
591
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:11.280
audio and visual stimuli, chemicals, drugs.
592
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:12.559
I mean, think about that.
593
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.960
If you go digging into what some of the projects were,
594
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.480
it's all about psych selic drugs, auditory stimulation, visual stimulation.
595
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.519
I can't think of a place where that is like
596
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.679
more at play than in an underground dance music scenario.
597
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.440
And sure there's probably some bad actors down there, but
598
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.760
it's not the entirety of the thing. And so you know,
599
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.880
you have sort of almost like an open air laboratory
600
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.360
in which to explore. And sometimes if you're not controlling
601
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.199
the experiment, if you're not forcing people into something but
602
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.440
instead allowing them to engage it as entertainment on their own,
603
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.880
the things you are going to learn are going to
604
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.599
be different than when someone is forced into something. And
605
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.119
of course, now we have social media and websites and
606
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.760
message boards where everybody can go and talk about the
607
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.840
experience they had when they took this dosage of drugs
608
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.480
and listened to this DJ and there was this kind
609
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.400
of sound system and this kind of lighting rig or
610
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.920
whatever it is, and you can start to gather a
611
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.159
lot of information on you know, what all is happening,
612
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.800
what can be done, and where it might go.
613
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.599
And so we live in an open air. We live
614
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.920
in open air. I'm chalture now and for some people
615
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.480
that's upsetting, and I understand that I've been upset by
616
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.239
it for many, many years.
617
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:38.079
But I also understand the potential of some of these
618
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.679
same technologies. So for me at this point, maybe just
619
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.559
because I got tired of being upset and outraged, I'm
620
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.159
very curous. I'm very interested. I find it, I find
621
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:52.039
it intriguing at Lee. I'm more curious than I am
622
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.760
angry at this point, and I am more intrigued than
623
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.760
I am pissed off.
624
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.159
You know, it's all about perception. The world seems to
625
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.280
crystallize based on where we're at with our understanding of things,
626
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:10.280
and it's much better to have a lighter, happier, uplifting
627
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.000
perspective on things than all doom and gloom all the time. Now,
628
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.880
I want to get to the synchronistic occult woo woo
629
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:25.440
aspects of everything. I talk to quite a few people
630
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.199
who are deep into the synchronistic realms recently, with very
631
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:35.239
different understandings of how these things work. Some believe it's
632
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:40.079
weaponized and the secret societies are surfing synchronisticism and using
633
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.719
rituals to cause events, which I'm sure they may be
634
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.280
doing at a certain level. But there's too many parts
635
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.440
that fit together too well. There are too many symbols
636
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.559
at the right place, at the right time, too many
637
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.960
things happening that just work together to tell this amazing story,
638
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:02.360
whether good, bad, or indifferent. It all works as this
639
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.920
cosmic machine. And it seems to be bigger than secret societies.
640
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.960
It seems to be bigger than magical individuals, people involved
641
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:16.960
with MK ultra projects. There seems to be something connecting threads.
642
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.840
Call it God, call it source, call it etheric energy
643
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.239
that seems to add to the human experience and connect everything.
644
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.000
Yeah, so, I definitely so this is how I see everything,
645
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:37.280
Like all those layers right the control, the manipulated, the weaponized,
646
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.039
the magical, the mystical, the beautiful, what they're all part
647
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.639
of the They're all part of the tapestry, right like
648
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:44.519
that's all.
649
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.559
It's all part of it. And for me, the synchronistic
650
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.119
stuff start.
651
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.519
I mean, I had already become well known for talking
652
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.239
about weird stuff and sort of having my own perspectives
653
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.400
on MK Ultra and different things. But in twenty twenty
654
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:03.199
I and started a many years long project with Michael Waugh.
655
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.039
And he, you know, he's very super well known, you know,
656
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.960
Geo Manscar Sight, you know.
657
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.360
So we met early on in the pandemic.
658
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.079
Steve Mercer introduced us and we just were like off
659
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:20.920
to the races, and we started doing a show called
660
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.039
Project Kids, and then eventually it led us to a
661
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.679
private paywall series that is some of I think my
662
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.519
best and most interesting work, and I hope he thinks
663
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.199
the same called Playing The Glass Bead Game that was
664
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.400
sort of inspired by the Hermann Hassen novel The Glass
665
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:41.599
Bead Game. And we were, you know, he he was
666
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:46.280
definitely on the synchronistic path, and I think that it
667
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.440
sort of woken that a mirror or made me reframe
668
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.360
my my perspective on my own work and start to
669
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.440
see it from that synchronistic lens. And so what we
670
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.880
started doing was our own individual weaves, but then also
671
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:03.960
weaving together, and it didn't matter like what we were
672
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:09.199
able to find this crazy amount of interconnectivity every week
673
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.000
about what had happened for us, like where our personal
674
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:14.960
stories led and how it connected to what was going
675
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.840
on for him, even though we wouldn't really talk in between,
676
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.079
and sort of wove a pretty interesting tempestry for a
677
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.840
period of time. But one of the books that I
678
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.440
read sort of early on in that process, even before
679
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.199
the glass b Game, was a book called Synchronicity by F.
680
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.599
David Peat, which is really interesting and like one of
681
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.119
those books that for anybody who's interested in this constellation
682
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.639
of topics that you just mentioned there right, I highly
683
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.800
recommend it. And it talks about how synchronicity is part
684
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.199
of the underlying nature of this reality.
685
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:51.199
It is part of.
686
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:56.639
How reality unfolds itself, unfolds itself again to be able
687
00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:01.320
to unfold. It's part of the structure the makeup of
688
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.519
the reality that we live in. And he in that
689
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:09.119
book tells stories from physicists, psychologists.
690
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.320
Like Young Bom, all these.
691
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.239
Different people who were sort of in the mid century
692
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.440
like at the leading thinkers in their fields, and how
693
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.199
syn synchronicity weaves into all of their work, right, and
694
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.320
and how it shows that that is part of how
695
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.199
our world wants to tell its story or unfold itself.
696
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:34.199
So as far as what you're talking about about being controlled,
697
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.760
like obviously, if if that is how the world really works,
698
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.360
then secret societies or whatever it is are going to
699
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.440
know that and they're going to use it and cultivate
700
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:52.519
that understanding for themselves. They may not choose to share
701
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:57.239
it freely because maybe that understanding helps you to predict
702
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.960
when is the right time for this kind of activity
703
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.199
or this kind of business, and this is how they
704
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.679
have maintained being out ahead of other people. But they're
705
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:12.679
probably also you know, building technologies that have that understanding
706
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.599
implicitly in it.
707
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.480
And so when we see something like oh, I.
708
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.719
You know, was talking about you know, grapefruit soda and
709
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:22.519
then Harito's ads showed up on YouTube or whatever, it is, like,
710
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.519
I'm sure there's like a surveillance aspect to it.
711
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:27.280
But if you have people with a.
712
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.679
Certain knowledge about how the world maximizes itself building technologies
713
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.719
that are meant to maximize things, that's gonna be baked
714
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:40.360
into the cake. Right. And also they're probably very very
715
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.480
interested in people who find their way onto this without
716
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.719
the like sort of educated knowledge on it. So they're
717
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:52.519
always looking for someone who they call like a player
718
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.519
or you know, this one is a character, this is
719
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:01.039
an interesting character or whatever. So somebody who either is
720
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.880
really good at noticing the synchronicities that most people overlook,
721
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.519
and probably even more interesting to them are people who
722
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.639
seem to be able to generate synchronicities, people who like
723
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.800
they're are able to constellate more of that type of
724
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.320
activity around them based on something that they're either synchronizing
725
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.239
themselves with or that they're they're sort of emanating an
726
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.760
energy field or something like that. I say when people
727
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.000
are like, how do you have all these weird things
728
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.400
happen to you? Emily like, you have so many stories
729
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.199
like how why, Like I'm normal, nothing ever happens to me?
730
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:38.360
And I disagree.
731
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.519
I think these things are happening to everyone all the time,
732
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.159
but most people are not paying attention.
733
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.199
Most people are not noticing them.
734
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.800
And one of the things that you know, people who
735
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.840
become quote synchronistics or become or start to pursue this
736
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.400
get really good at doing is paying attention and starting
737
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.840
to have a sense or anticipation of when when something
738
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.679
is likely to happen or about to happen based on
739
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:07.159
the factors that seem to be present every time one
740
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.760
of these major synchronous cities or or whatever occurs.
741
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.920
And so it's like any other muscle.
742
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:14.800
You start to get good, you know, it's like being
743
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.440
quick twitch and like catching things before they drop on
744
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:18.400
the floor or whatever.
745
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.559
Right, like you notice the little stuff.
746
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.679
For me, I pay a lot of attention, like when
747
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.800
something grabs my attention. When I notice something, I go
748
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.599
look closely at it to try.
749
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.079
And figure out why it grabbed my attention.
750
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.559
And then I learned to understand what that phenomenon was
751
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.039
made of, what the parts and pieces, whether they be
752
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.000
actually physical or something you know, motion or energetic, what
753
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.199
were the things that came together to make that thing
754
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.920
that got my attention. And then when I see some
755
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.480
of those parts and pieces elsewhere, right, I start to
756
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.760
they get my attention before the thing happens. And sometimes okay,
757
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.320
you see one thing, you see the other thing, you
758
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.239
see the other thing. Just as you're noticing all those
759
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.039
things are there, another phenomenal experience arises and you start
760
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.599
to understand sort of you know, and this will this
761
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.400
can take us into you know, one of the greatest
762
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.679
lessons of you know, the biggest lesson that.
763
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.079
I've ever gotten from the mushroom mystery school. And I
764
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.119
think this is the source of like the basis of.
765
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.559
The phenomenon we're talking about, but also what these secret
766
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.639
societies and organizations have been interested in it for a
767
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.639
long time. And I call it the sacred geometry of space,
768
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.679
time and sound, right, Like these things, you know, sort
769
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:39.440
of on a subtle level, are orchestrating themselves around certain
770
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.519
sort of folk RUMs or energy points or whatever, and
771
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.599
everything sort of erase itself around that. And when you
772
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:53.599
start to recognize what some of the locations, inspirations, different
773
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.079
sort of factors are that create certain kinds of energy fields,
774
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.079
then you're really onto sort of figuring out how you
775
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.960
want to play your own version of the glass bead game.
776
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.280
As Mike and I would would call it, right, it's
777
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.480
like getting lining the beads up all on the strings,
778
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.840
so they're like one, two, three, four, and you know
779
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.440
it's you know, it's just it all falls into place, right.
780
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.639
But you know, I think that's what the study is.
781
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.400
The sacred geometry of space, time and sound and light
782
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:31.800
is the tool that that process uses to explain itself.
783
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.440
Earlier you mentioned trying to figure out a why behind
784
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:41.320
some of these operations, and you come to realize that
785
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:47.000
there's most likely many multi layered operations occurring for many
786
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:55.159
different purposes. Grooming, war, assassination, experimentation, just observation. Pretty much
787
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:59.599
everything you could imagine is happening. But there are things
788
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:05.039
that are being orchestrated that certain people are involved with,
789
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.320
whether you want to call it MK ultra or some
790
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.800
kind of grooming programs. You do believe these are still
791
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.480
going on in much different ways. And you mentioned earlier
792
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.960
the technology that's going to be desired to come out
793
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.400
of all of this. Talk a little bit about what
794
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.360
the endgame is and some of this tech.
795
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.519
I mean, I mean there's all different kinds of stuff, right,
796
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.840
and so you know there's the there's like the obvious
797
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.679
things that you know, we're like, it's like this weird
798
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.480
game we play where it's like they pretend like they
799
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.599
don't want us to know, but like really they make
800
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.280
it like they tax you for talking about it, which
801
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:49.000
is the biggest way to get you to talk about it.
802
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.400
You know. Like, so like the kind of stuff that
803
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.760
you have with like Palenteer and you know, the surveillance
804
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.320
tech and monitoring. Obviously we live in this you know,
805
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.639
everything is about data collection now, right. They don't want
806
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.440
anything to happen that they don't know about, right. And
807
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.280
you can say that it's because they want to surveil people,
808
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.960
and that's like, in my opinion, that's just the benefit
809
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:11.199
of it.
810
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.559
Really, they don't want anybody.
811
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.880
To know stuff that they don't know, right, So if
812
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.039
any intelligence is generated, they want to collect it all.
813
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.199
You know, Like when I look at someone like Peter Tiel,
814
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:23.639
that person to me.
815
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.440
Looks like a control free that doesn't like the idea
816
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:31.000
that anything could happen outside of his ability to like
817
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.840
to manipulate it or control it or whatever it is. Right.
818
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.360
It speaks to like a deeply insecure feeling inside that like,
819
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.880
you know, someone might know something I don't know, or
820
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.039
might be able to do something that I can't do,
821
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:46.199
or whatever it is.
822
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:46.599
Right.
823
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.239
So but the other thing is that like you know,
824
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.719
like I said, they see on someone like they want
825
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.679
to surveil human and they want us to think that
826
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.119
we're like, you know, cattle that need to be watched.
827
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.880
Maybe they want us to think that they'd like to
828
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:01.880
eradicate some of it.
829
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:03.320
I actually disagree.
830
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.360
I think they are completely fascinated with us, and they
831
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.480
see us as resources, but they prefer that we don't
832
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.679
know that. They prefer that, like, you know, they we
833
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.199
don't understand the genius that we're working with, right, and
834
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.920
and so a lot of these technologies are sort of
835
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:27.440
meant to capture sort of moments of brilliance or interesting
836
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:31.119
sort of spooky interaction at a distance kind of stuff.
837
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.239
But I think that the big secret really is that
838
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:39.559
like there's other like wor there's not just one world,
839
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:44.960
like it's a multi dimensional realm that we live in, right,
840
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.119
and you can move between them.
841
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.599
And if that understanding is there, then.
842
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.639
People are not gonna feel super duper concerned about like
843
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.760
what's just happening in one level of that reality. They're
844
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.639
gonna feel free to move about the field. If I
845
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:08.559
were a control freak, right, and I wanted to know that,
846
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.599
and I wanted to have the ability to pull resources
847
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.719
and intelligence and data and whatever it is from every
848
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.760
pocket of known, you know, sort of realm reality, then
849
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.599
what I would want to do is build a closed
850
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:31.599
contained thing for the people who's like who I want
851
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:34.079
to data mine for the answers to the problems I
852
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.480
can't solve, but they won't know that there's this whole
853
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.360
other world outside of that, right, And so I think
854
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.440
a lot of the technologies are designed to sort of
855
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:52.360
like think about something like like like like Pokemon Go, right,
856
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.599
where like you have somebody walking around and theoretically they
857
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.159
can see something that other people can't see and they're
858
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.280
interacting with the So this would be augmented reality VR
859
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.039
all this kind of stuff, right that they are really
860
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:11.639
really interested in like people's response and understanding of all
861
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.880
of that, because it's available all around us, right. And
862
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.880
I actually think that this is part of the reason
863
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.079
that like microdosing and psychedelics are being a little bit
864
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:27.079
more pushed, because it's becoming more and more obvious that,
865
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.559
like the it feels like the veils that used to
866
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.559
separate all the dimensions are a little bit thinner, and
867
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:39.039
so people on microdosing or people with Google Glass or
868
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.440
Pokemon Go like it gives almost like a logical explanation
869
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:48.000
for things, but still allows someone to interact with that, right.
870
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.159
Whereas for me, it's more like we live in this
871
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.519
gigantic like I don't know if you've done any research
872
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:56.559
into like plasma, right, or if you've like read the
873
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:58.920
Robert Temple book, or there's plenty of other people that
874
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:00.119
do good work.
875
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:00.800
On that as well.
876
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.559
And then you start listening to like people who are
877
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:10.760
doing experimentation with d MT and lasers. He's been on
878
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.440
my show a couple of times, right, So, and then
879
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.280
you go and you know, whatever you think about this
880
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.559
person's style, you listen to what someone like Alma Hillman
881
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.360
is saying about the mystery cults from antiquity and what
882
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.840
they were doing with drugs, and you're like, oh, we
883
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.360
live in a field that is completely embedded with information
884
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.000
and it is there for retrieval by anyone if you
885
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.320
just almost know like the chemical concoction or the key
886
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.239
to that, right, So, like let's just say that like
887
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.199
this drug, when you take a specific drug or a
888
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.760
specific you know, medicine or whatever, it's like opening up
889
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.440
one particular line of code from that reality. And part
890
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.559
of how you know that that has to be true
891
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.519
is that, like the the the mystery cults were talking
892
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.280
about like things that didn't ever become like realized or
893
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.400
discovered until modernity, Like certain ideas around medicine and science
894
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.440
and nuclear physics and whatever it is. So that information
895
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.840
has always been there. It's like everything is always broadcasting
896
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.440
exactly what it is. It's whether you can tune your
897
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.360
radio to the right station and go in and grab
898
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.679
it right. And so this is all frequency based. This
899
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.800
is all like subtle vibrational levels. There's like lots of
900
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.719
interesting things you can watch online about like cimatics and
901
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.039
vibrational fields and how a lot of the ancient yeah,
902
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.880
megaliths and stuff like that were really like resonators or
903
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.480
motherboards or computer chips and whatnot. And if you look
904
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:51.079
at like the cave paintings, you know, and in any
905
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.159
all over the place, and you're up in Latin America
906
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.880
even here in the United States, if you look at
907
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.159
what some of the symbols and designs are like, they
908
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:03.280
look like modern technology or they look like the symbols
909
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:07.480
we now use for scientific processes and whatnot. So there's
910
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.880
like it's not new information, it's just like tapped in.
911
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.119
It's now able to be like I think the new
912
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.599
technologies make it able to you can instead of having
913
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.199
to do it some sort of dramatic metaphysical or spiritual
914
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.199
or chemical kind of way you can build a machine
915
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:30.000
that is small that can replicate it with efficiency over
916
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:36.280
and over again. But the processes that they're doing are
917
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:41.079
what used to be called ancient alchemical rituals or ceremonial
918
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:45.039
magic or the magic of the individual or whatever. And
919
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:48.239
a lot of it has to do with conductivity and
920
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.599
particle acceleration and whatnot, because those things go hand in
921
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.159
hand with what we think of as esp or telepathy
922
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:01.239
or whatever it is. And speaking of conductivity, super conductivity
923
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.920
like that is one of the things that try is
924
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.880
you know, I think that they're attempting to either maintain
925
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.239
or amplify in bloodline arranged marriages, like we have trace
926
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:18.079
elements in our blood, and some people are literally more.
927
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:19.119
Conductive, you know.
928
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.599
You see people who can go into highly electrified environments
929
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:27.440
or radioactive environments and they might have a mystical experience
930
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.760
where someone else will go in there and get cancer, right,
931
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:33.239
get cancer, or develop some seizure disorder from being around that.
932
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.280
So our bodies are different, and the way we interact
933
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:41.559
with different sort of energy fields or different environments is different.
934
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.480
And I think they want to know what happens when
935
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.880
so and so, you know, like, for like the summer
936
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:49.480
camp I went to when I was a kid right
937
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.840
in Chatsworth. It's on the same piece of property that
938
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.599
the Manson Tunnel is on, that Boeing and Rocadyne is
939
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.000
on that they had you know, some you know nuclear
940
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:03.440
like you know, they do all sorts of experimenting with
941
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.519
reactors there, and I think there's probably a particle accelerator
942
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:11.360
and what not there. But it's definitely an environment where
943
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:17.639
all kinds of scientific or progress based things are being studied. Well,
944
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.079
if you have a summer camp on that same location
945
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.400
and you're kind of you know, let's just say Boeing
946
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.159
or rockadym is just doing surveillance on all of that
947
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.039
general territory. Oh, I see this kid, Like whenever this
948
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.039
kid comes into this area, they have some kind of
949
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.800
weird experience, like let's watch this one, right. You know,
950
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:44.199
there's all different ways that you can observe people, unique individuals,
951
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:49.480
which we all are in specific environments and see what happens,
952
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:55.719
and then you can start to test, tinker, modulate, explore, right,
953
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.920
And I think that that's what it is. I think
954
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.639
we just live in this like giant open air sort
955
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:09.440
of observation realm, right, if you ever watched Fringe the observers, right, Like,
956
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:11.679
I think that's what this is. Like, I think it's
957
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:13.039
that you know that, That's what's.
958
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:18.239
Where it brings people to question if we're under control
959
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:21.519
by some non human intelligence, if we are some kind
960
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.639
of experiment. Some of the agendas that come out seem
961
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.079
to be very anti human. Very little of our modern
962
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.280
technology truly benefits humanity in any real way, as far
963
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:40.000
as medicine, healing, transportation, space travel, where have we really
964
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:44.400
gotten it? All seems to be benefiting the ruling class
965
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.400
and now artificial intelligence. And this is a big fear
966
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.559
factor for a lot of people these days, believing that
967
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.840
AI is going to take us over somehow. And I'm
968
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.840
guilty of this as well. I get very nervous about
969
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.960
artificial intelligence especially, and I hear some of the crazy
970
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:06.559
ass stories that are unfolding with people's relationships with AI
971
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.840
and some of the information that's coming out of it.
972
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:11.119
But what are your thoughts on that?
973
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.559
So, I mean, I think a couple of things, Like,
974
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I think this has always been the case. Like if
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I think back, if we go back like a hundred
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years or a thousand years, they were like, oh, like
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those kids, this crazy thing they're doing, it's going to
978
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.760
be the end of us, right or so I think
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00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.079
this is just part of the process. But on some level,
980
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.639
like I don't mean this exactly as it sounds, but
981
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on some level, all intelligence is artificial, right, It's like
982
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.920
you're putting together multiple ideas to come up with some
983
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.039
new understanding of something that you wouldn't have had if
984
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.760
you didn't put together two things that you didn't think
985
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.519
went together before or whatever it is, right, I know,
986
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.519
there's like the theory that you know, we're building what
987
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.559
is historically known as like the Oracle of Delphi or whatever,
988
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:57.719
right now that there where it's just more like a
989
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.440
recompetitive like re putting together of knowledge that had been
990
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:03.559
sort of dissipated.
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01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.519
So like a couple of things.
992
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.320
I mean, a lot of this is about personal choice
993
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:16.159
and personal responsibility, right, Like you know, maybe like there's
994
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.960
some things that there's no no benefit at all to
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01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.760
you doing over and over and over again, and so
996
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:26.159
that might be something that's okay to outsource to certain
997
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.840
technologies or maybe even AI, right, but anything like think
998
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.639
about how fucked people are now if they lose their
999
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.639
cell phone and they don't know anybody's phone number, right,
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01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.599
So like it's kind of like that, right, Like there's
1001
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.079
there's some there and there's just some things that we
1002
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.440
just should do for ourself, right, Like I don't use
1003
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:49.000
I mean, when I Google Search, it shows me the
1004
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:53.559
AI result, but like I've not downloaded chat, GPT or
1005
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.320
grock or I don't use Twitter, right, And you know,
1006
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.679
like I've played a little bit with like AI art creators.
1007
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.320
I can't really get it to do what I want
1008
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:05.079
it to do. So it's not that fun for me, right,
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01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.360
you know, I think everyone has to decide individually what
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01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.559
their relationship with that is going to be. But if
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01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.440
what we were talking about earlier is correct, and like
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01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.800
what F. David Pete's book talks about is about this
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01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.280
sort of synchronicity being like literally part of the underlying
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01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.719
structure of reality, then it would actually make sense that
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01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.679
some type of intelligence that isn't kind of blocked by
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01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:39.800
the same like fears, paranoias, stuff like that that humans
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01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.920
are would be able to see the pattern and therefore
1018
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.119
predict something that is going to happen. Like when I'm
1019
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:50.480
in my synchro mystic flow, I'm pulling shit like this
1020
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.760
and like that. But like when I'm in a bad
1021
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.719
mood or I don't feel good about myself or I'm
1022
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.400
overtired or whatever it is, I become just as like
1023
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.239
simple and base, as like I might accuse my father
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01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:02.840
of being or whatever it is.
1025
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:03.119
Right.
1026
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:06.960
So I think that like a couple, I mean, I
1027
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.920
think everyone has to decide for themselves, and I just
1028
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:16.440
you know, there's we don't like since I first woke
1029
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.400
up and started like paying attention to two conspiracies, which
1030
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.199
would was like I don't know, like it was for
1031
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.280
me around that two thousand and five period. There was
1032
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:27.800
a little bit before that, like I was always like
1033
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.320
maybe like a borderline conspiracy theorist, but not like quite
1034
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.559
dove in. But they've been like promising FEMA camps and
1035
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.599
martial law and all of this kind of stuff from
1036
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.519
like the first day I ever listened to any of
1037
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:49.119
the people, right, and like, you know, so that hasn't happened,
1038
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.639
you know, sure, like you can find some case of lokay, Yeah,
1039
01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.599
like they've rounded up some immigrants and you know, I'm
1040
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.639
not saying that we have like a kind government that
1041
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.159
would do things like that, but a lot of the
1042
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.840
paranoia sort of out there is to keep people from
1043
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:09.559
engaging reality.
1044
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:10.639
In a way that could benefit them.
1045
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:13.920
If you're Peter Thiel and you want to know, but
1046
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.239
you don't want other people to know, but you can't
1047
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.280
have access to other people without opening up some line
1048
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.599
of communication, the best thing to do is to make
1049
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:26.760
them so paranoid about it that they wouldn't even want
1050
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.679
to use it for or even understand it, forget about
1051
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.119
use it. Like I know people who don't want to
1052
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.159
know anything about how it works.
1053
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:35.719
They want nothing to do with it.
1054
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.360
And while I can respect that on a human level,
1055
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.199
I also am like, well, like what if there was
1056
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:45.079
like what if you just turn the filter the other way? Right?
1057
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.360
Like what if you turn it around and it allows
1058
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.920
you to to know things about the what you want
1059
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.360
to know about and whatnot.
1060
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:54.960
You know, So I kind.
1061
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.480
Of I'm not like a middle of the road or
1062
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.440
on this, but I'm kind of like I explore anything
1063
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.840
that's interesting to me with some degree of caution. But
1064
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.079
I'm also one of those people like all kind of
1065
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:09.400
try those things and you know, like you know, hope
1066
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:12.519
for the best and you know, make fix it later
1067
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.000
if it doesn't go well, right, you know, So I
1068
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.519
think it's just everyone has to have their own understanding,
1069
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:22.199
their own relationship with that. But it's always been that, like,
1070
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.760
if you want to know the better, healthier way to
1071
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.079
do things, the smarter way to do things, the information
1072
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.440
is out there, it's just not what's being offered to you,
1073
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.400
like for free on your phone, right, you have to
1074
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.039
sort of pursue it yourself. Like there's some things that
1075
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:39.639
some people just don't care about, and so they're just
1076
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:41.440
like I'll just take the easy way, that's whatever. But
1077
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.199
like anything that we care about, we don't just take
1078
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:48.440
the version that's offered. We seek out like the best,
1079
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:52.880
most unique, you know, refined, discerned understanding of whatever that is.
1080
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.119
And everyone has to just choose, like how many things
1081
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:58.280
they want to do that for And and I think
1082
01:04:58.320 --> 01:04:59.480
it's completely.
1083
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.320
Fine, like I do that.
1084
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.920
For some people the answer is like now I'm gonna
1085
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.679
like I don't want to have a smartphone. I don't
1086
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:09.840
want to engage on the computer anything more than I
1087
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.119
need to for my work or whatever. And that's fine.
1088
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.880
And then for others, like, okay, this understanding of quantum
1089
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.599
physics and a multi dimensional reality and an intelligent plasma
1090
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.199
field or whatever it is, Like I can do something
1091
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:24.000
cool with it, that.
1092
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.039
Is my artistic expression.
1093
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.039
Like I just interviewed someone on my show who's like
1094
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:31.440
researching all of the things I talked about from the
1095
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.960
party scene from this idea, like, no, we want to
1096
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:38.440
create other dimensions, other worlds with sound and light, right,
1097
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.199
and like sure, like they're gonna use to do this
1098
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.840
some of the same technology that people use to on
1099
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.599
the enslavement path, but that's not what they're doing with it, right,
1100
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.000
So some people are gonna choose to sort of push out,
1101
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:52.599
others are gonna choose to to sort of come in
1102
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:56.400
with it. And I think all of that is it
1103
01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:00.760
is okay, But you know, I just know that, like
1104
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:04.119
in two thousand and five, like there was things that
1105
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:07.079
I was like afraid of that were gonna happen that day,
1106
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:11.199
that week, that month that still haven't happened, right, And
1107
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.519
so I feel like the playing field is long for
1108
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.440
all of this stuff, and sure things happen that we
1109
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:22.480
don't like, but even within all of that, Like, you know,
1110
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.800
I was having this conversation with a friend who was visiting, right,
1111
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.320
and he listens to all of our kind of material
1112
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:33.400
and stuff like that even during the COVID lockdown and
1113
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.480
stuff like that, you were never really forced.
1114
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:37.880
To do something.
1115
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.480
You had to sit with the discomfort of what people
1116
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.760
said about you, or you might not be able to
1117
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:44.559
do what you wanted to do or get what you
1118
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.039
wanted to get right this moment. But if you were
1119
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:49.320
just like patient and stuck to kind of what your
1120
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:53.079
guns were like, eventually it was fine. In fact, some
1121
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:56.480
people who like sadly some people did lose their jobs
1122
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.480
and all that kind of stuff, but that was a
1123
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.599
chance for us to get to know, like what the
1124
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.440
quality of the people we engage and interact with are.
1125
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:06.719
And then there's some people who lost their job because
1126
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.119
they wouldn't ge vaccinated who are winning like million dollar
1127
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:12.400
lawsuits and stuff like that right now, right because you know,
1128
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:15.719
I'm not excusing away any of the awful stuff that
1129
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.760
was done. But sometimes what we think of as we're
1130
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.280
being forced into something isn't really us being forced into it.
1131
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:25.920
We're being enticed into it because we don't like the
1132
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.800
idea of temporary or even in some cases long term discomfort.
1133
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:34.360
You know, while while we you know, stick to whatever
1134
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.440
our guns are about something, but that still is in
1135
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:40.159
the realm there of like personal.
1136
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.320
Choice, right, I can definitely say that my quality of
1137
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.320
life reflects my perception. I can look back at where
1138
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:52.559
I was at when I first started doing this show, paranoid,
1139
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.760
worried about every conspiracy. Our alien's gonna come and abduct
1140
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.119
us and probe us, and demons are going to I'm
1141
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.440
gonna start possessing us, and the New World Order is
1142
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.840
going to take over everything. And my life wasn't in
1143
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.440
the right place. And I look at where I might
1144
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:10.719
now and what I'm doing now and the way I
1145
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.360
view things, and it is a definite correlation. And Emily,
1146
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.960
thank you so much for coming on today. This was fantastic.
1147
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.960
There's much more we could get into before I let
1148
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:24.000
you go. Remind the audience the best way to find
1149
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.319
out more about you and if you have anything that
1150
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.239
you are working on that you'd like to shout out
1151
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:29.680
a little bit.
1152
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.399
Sure, So, like I said, you can go to my
1153
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:36.960
YouTube channel and find like, not all my content as public,
1154
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:38.600
but you can kind of find your way to everything
1155
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.399
from there. I'm on Patreon at Patreon dot com, Forward
1156
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:45.239
slash off Planet Media on locals at Emilymoyer dot locals
1157
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.560
dot com, and I do have a little bit of
1158
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.239
stuff on rockfin but like don't go like, if you're
1159
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.399
new to my material, go to locals.
1160
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:54.720
Or go to Patreon. There's like free.
1161
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.119
Weeks at two different levels on Patreon, or a free
1162
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.920
month on Locals. I have never had the experience before
1163
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.159
of like understanding a platform less after having been on
1164
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.680
it for a couple of years than I did when
1165
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.239
I started on it, But that has been the progressive
1166
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.239
experience of rock Finn. So there is there is some
1167
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.279
stuff there, but I don't know how much or how
1168
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:16.279
long that will will continue. I also, like I do,
1169
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:20.000
I'm also a nutrition consultant and I talk to people
1170
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.760
who have had experiences that they might associate as something
1171
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.159
like mk ultra, like I do consultations and whatnot. So
1172
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.720
you can also find information on what I do with
1173
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:37.399
that at my business website, which is internal dashalchemy dot com.
1174
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:41.039
And I have a new series that I've been working
1175
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:44.199
on for the past several months, and some of the
1176
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:46.039
rough draft episodes are going to go out for my
1177
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:50.119
supporters shortly, but will probably start to debut at least
1178
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:53.600
in the public, the public part of it in the fall.
1179
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:55.479
That will be sort of.
1180
01:09:55.439 --> 01:10:01.039
A a deep look into these lesser talked about, lesser
1181
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:05.680
understood realities of m k Ultra and simultaneously sort of
1182
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:09.960
recount my experiences in the underground and both the underground
1183
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.359
of Chatsworth and the underground of the dance music culture
1184
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:16.479
that has sort of led to the understanding that I
1185
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.680
currently hold. It's by no means going to be the
1186
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.520
only answer or the right answer, but I'm going to
1187
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:26.640
look at all the sub projects, all the known subprojects
1188
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:29.680
of m k Ultra sort of with a different lens.
1189
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.520
There's going to be a portion where I kind of
1190
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.880
stick to the research, and then there's going to be
1191
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.439
a portion that I called the mystery, where I'm going
1192
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:40.720
to explore what I think could also have been going on,
1193
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:45.279
maybe off site or after hours in the locations where
1194
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.680
these projects were being perceived.
1195
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:49.920
Awesome, Emily, thank you so much. Like I said, we'll
1196
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:53.159
definitely be doing this again. And until next time, everyone,
1197
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.960
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see
1198
01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:57.359
all then.
1199
01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:58.039
Thanks Chris,