FKN Classics Double Feature! Bruce Olav Solheim - Extradimensionals | Alan Stivelman - ET Contact

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Tonight,
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I don't want to welcome Bruce Olaf Solheim. He earned
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his PhD in history from Bowling Green State University in
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nineteen ninety three. He is a distinguished Professor of History
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at Citrus College in Glendora, California. He has published nine
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books and has written ten plays, two of which have
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been produced. He has published three paranormal books, Timeless, Timeless,
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Deja Vus, and his latest, Timeless Trinity. He teaches a
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popular paranormal personal history course at Citrus College and has
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his own radio program and has appeared on many radio programs.
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He is also an associate member of the Paris Psychological Association,
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a member of Sorrow and movef On. Bruce, Welcome, How
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are you doing tonight?
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I'm doing well? Thank you, Chris, you know, based on
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the circumstances, doing fairly well.
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Yes, based on how are you?
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How are you?
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I am the same. I'm you know, staying in good
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spirits based on everything. But tonight, I'm looking forward to it.
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And if you've listened to my show for any period
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of time, that you know that I love having guests
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on that can connect the paranormal with UFOs and consciousness,
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and I believe it's all connected in some way, and
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I believe there are entire realms just beyond the spectrum
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of our vision. Tonight will be discussing exactly that, will
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be discussing your personal experiences, Bruce, and your research. But
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first I'd like to start off with a little bit
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more of your background and you know what brought you
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down your current pet.
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Well, so I'm sixty one years old and all of
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this started when I was four. In nineteen sixty two,
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I had my first paranormal experience and that really opened
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up the world beyond the world that we see every day,
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and it was a healing experience. It was an angelic experience.
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It was in northern Norway, on an island two hundred
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miles above the Arctic Circle, very remote island where my
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parents are from. We're visiting my grandmother. I got very
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very ill, I mean extremely ill, to the point where
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they thought I was going to die. And in the
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middle of the night I woke up because I was
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sleeping in this little bed in my grandmother's kitchen because
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she was very old and had a bad leg, so
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she couldn't go up the steep stairs, so she sleeps
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sometimes in the kitchen. I fell asleep there, and when
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I woke up, there was a bright light above me,
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a presence, a warming presence, and I realized when I
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saw that, and felt that that I was going to
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be okay, and I took away all my fear and
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my nervousness, and I went to sleep. And when I
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woke up in the next morning, because my parents just
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let me sleep there because I was so sick, I
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was completely healed. I was completely fine. And my mother
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and my grandmother said that it was a miracle and
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that it was a guardian angel that would be with
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me for the rest of my life, an angelic presence.
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So I believe them, and I believed I knew what
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happened to me, and I took it to heart, and
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I think that's what opened everything to me, because once
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that happened, once you go through that door, it's with
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you for the rest of your life. So then things
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kept happening, happening to me randomly but frequently. And my
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mother was very psychic, so we would do little experiments,
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like with cards, we'd read each other's minds, you know, telepathy.
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We would do it until my father got upset and
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told us to stop because it made him very nervous.
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He didn't like that kind of stuff. So I had
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so many different experiences, had a near death experience when
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I was eight, and I had, you know, went to
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an open casket funeral and the person in the in
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the casket spoke to me. So, I mean, this just
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happened all the time, and I didn't understand it. I
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thought maybe it happened to everybody, and maybe just people
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didn't like to talk about it, and my mom didn't
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really want me to talk about it to other people.
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I remember I could talk to her about it, like
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when that experience, when I heard the person in the
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coffin speaking, I looked at her and she kind of
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winked at me, and she didn't say anything because my
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dad was sitting right next to her, So it was
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kind of our secret. So I grew up with that
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very paranormal life, and it really wasn't until so my
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whole life, I had all these things happen. And then
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twenty sixteen, a dear friend of mine passed away, also
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Norwegian American from Seattle, and his name was Jean. He
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passed away. In about a month after he died, he
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came to me in a vision, and in that vision,
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as clear as you and I are seeing each other
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now through this miracle of the Internet, I saw him
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and he told me that what it was like being
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on the other side, and he gave me a lot
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of insights, like, for instance, he said, there's no past,
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there's no future. It's all the eternal now, It's just
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all happening at once. And he also told me it
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was time for me to write my stories and tell
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my stories and show people what had happened to me
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and try to explain it, and even gave me the
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title of the trilogy, Timeless. He gave me the titles.
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So I ventured. I was afraid because I'm a tenured
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professor of history. I've been teaching for a very long time,
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twenty eight years. I was afraid that my colleagues would
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think I was nuts because I'd always just kind of
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kept it hidden accept certain people I would tell, you know,
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But there I was sticking myself out there and a
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very good reception. I had no reason to really be
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afraid because everybody accepted it. And yeah, so they even
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allowed Then I thought I'd go look one step further
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and ask if I could teach a paranormal class, and
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they said that was cool. Got approved all the way
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up to the board of trustees, which was amazing. Nobody
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was more surprised than me when they allowed me to
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do that. And the students are great. I've been teaching
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it for a year and a half now. And although
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this semester got you know, got canceled right because the
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all colleges are you know, were closed, but every semester
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great students anywhere from fifteen to twenty five, students of
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all ages. You know. I have older students, younger students.
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All of them are there for one reason. The main
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reason is because they they it's a safe place for
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them to share their stories and try to make some
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sense of it, and that's what we're all trying to do,
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myself included.
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Yes, very good. Now I want to go back through
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some of your experiences you had, Yeah, starting with the
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first one that that kind of opened you up to
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everything that that this this presence felt like an an
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angelic presence. Are more of a spirit guide?
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I would say it was more angelic because now you know,
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now that I've thought it all the way through and
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really delved into this. I have a name. It's it's
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my Well, she is angelic. She's my spirit guide named Theodora.
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I know her name now I didn't know at the
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time and now that I've kind of figured it out.
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So but she is an angelic looking a female character.
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She has wings, you know, she's she's angelic. And I
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have another spirit what I would call a spirit guide too,
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that helps me and when I do my mediumship. Uh,
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and I call him Ozzy. You know, people usually think
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of Ozzy Osbourne it seems like an odd spirit guide
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to have, but maybe not. Maybe that's pretty cool. But
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he is very silent, you know, he doesn't say anything.
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He's kind of like I would compare him to a
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bouncer at a bar. He keeps me safe when I
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do my mediumship. So both of them do, but for
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in different ways. One guides me, the other protects me.
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So and yeah, so anyway, that's when I first encountered her,
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and then she's been with me my whole life, and
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so is Ozzy. And you know, like I said in
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twenty sixteen, I acknowledged it and I began to learn
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how to I never say control, because I don't think
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you ever control this stuff. I think I've learned to
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manage it so that I can turn it on and off.
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Turning it off is just as important as learning how
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to turn it on so you can sleep at night,
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so you can rest, so you can go to parties
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and not be bothered by people's you know, thoughts and
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say you don't want to know all this stuff. You know,
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it's just too too noisy, so you know, in a
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psychic level, so you have to learn how to turn
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it off. And that's that's kind of what I've learned.
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I've been really learning in the last four years since
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the experience with Gene.
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You mentioned you had a near death experience. Yeah, talk
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a little bit about that.
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Yeah, that was when I was eight years old. It
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was in Washington State because I was born in Seattle,
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and we were at Deception Pass, which is a great
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name for an event, a paranormal event to happen to
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Deception Pass, right, And it was on this little island
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that was between these two bridges, and we parked there
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and I was running around these trails and in those days,
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in the early sixties, there weren't any safety barriers or
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and there was this trail that kind of led to
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this cliff. Well, my conscious memory is that I ran
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down that trail and just ran right off that cliff,
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and then what happens is that I don't remember falling
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to the bottom, and it was like two hundred feet
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to the rocks in the narrow channel that kind of
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dumps the you know, the ocean goes from the straits
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of Wanda Fuca into the interior part and they're in
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Puget Sound, and you know, sheer, you know, just certain death.
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I didn't follow, though, I just I kind of hovered
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in mid air, and the next thing, you know, I
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don't even know how much time to glaze maybe was
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instantly I was back on the trail and my dad
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had me by the shoulders and was shaking me and
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just yelling at me. It was so mad. So my
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parents never wanted to talk about it. I tried to
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talk to them about it. They did not want to
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talk about it. So I think that what I've determined
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from this and other experiences that I've had, is that
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we hit what I call a fork in kind of
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a fork in the road of life, and in one fork,
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I died. I fell off that cliff due to my
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own carelessness while I was a young kid, and in
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the other fork I lived on. So I think that's
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what happened. I think there's many of these forks, and
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I've had.
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You say that's like multiple timelines that we can actually
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alter with our decisions and certain factors.
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Yeah, so, I mean both are equally true. I'm living
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this one where I did not die, But there's been
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other instances too where I've even more pronounced, Like something
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happened to me a year and a half ago with
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my youngest son and I here in southern California. We
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were driving in my truck and we came to an intersection.
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I looked down just briefly, and you know, it doesn't
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take long for something bad to happen. I just looked
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down briefly. I don't know what it was, and I
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looked at in the I had turned red and two
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cars and I was going fifty miles an hour, and
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two cars were coming from either side at fifty miles
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an hour, so we would have been double t boned,
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if that makes sense for me, from the right and
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the left. But suddenly time completely slowed down, completely slowed down,
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where It was just in slow motion, and I was
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able to steer and accelerate and somehow thread that needle
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between these two cars coming right at us, you know,
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scissoring us or whatever you want to call that double
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tee bone right. And then as soon as we got
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to the other side of the intersection, time sped up
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again to the normal speed. And I think that was
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a glimpse. That was a hint for me that this
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is what happens when you reach this fork in the
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road of life. You know that in one it was
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a terrible accident and maybe people would have died or
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at least been very seriously injured, But in the other
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I was able to maneuver through it. So it tells me.
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It gave me this clue about what you were talking
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about at the outset there that when we started that
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really the quantum world, the spirit world, and the alien
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world are all the same. I think it's all the
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same thing. And I think that's the secret to it.
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You know that they're you know, and if you look
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at like you know, people that see apparitions or ghosts
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or whatever, they'll see them go through walls and appear
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and disappear, you know. Phase in, phase out, whatever terminology
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you want to use. And then when you hear experiencers
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or people that have been abducted or contacted by aliens,
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aliens do the same thing. They phase in, they phase out,
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they go through windows, they go through walls. Well, that's
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a clue right there, that they're able to transcend these realities.
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And that gave me a clue. And then so I
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started studying quantum physics. I'm a historian, so I'm not
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a physicist obviously, but I love it and it just
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started to make sense to me. And then I read
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about these physicists who think very much along the same lines,
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and I thought, Okay, I'm onto something here. This is something,
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and it is a something, and I think that that
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like you said, when you said that at the beginning
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of the show, I thought, yeah, exactly, that's what it is.
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It's all the same thing.
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Now, speaking of other worldly beings and possibly interdimensional whatever
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you want to call it, you were actually warned about
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a what I guess you could say, a sexual predator
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by another worldly being. That's a fascinating story. Can you
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tell us about it?
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Yeah? That was let's see in nineteen sixty four. So
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I was six years old. There was these people that
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lived above us. We lived kind of on a hillside
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in Seattle, north end of Lake Washington, and the people
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that lived above us were also of Norwegian extraction. So
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my parents, because they were the same ethnicity, they felt, okay,
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they can trust these people, so they would babysit me occasionally.
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The wife was always gone, she was some kind of
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business lady. She was always gone. So he was home
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alone with his children. I think there had had three
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of them, and then all these neighborhood kids were there,
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and then I was there being babysat. Well, he would
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do things like he would play hide and seek, but
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it wasn't like we played hide and seek when we
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were kids. He would go hide in a closet and
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close the door, and then we were supposed to come
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in and find him, even though we knew where he was,
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and close the door and be in this dark closet
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with him. Well, I refused to do it because I
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just thought there's something weird about that. It doesn't plus,
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he acted like a little kid, and adults that act
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like little kids, there's something kind of weird about it.
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And then I also remembered that he used to give
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us little Dixie cups with what he said was kool aid,
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but it didn't smell like kool aid. Now I know
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it was alcohol. I didn't know at the time. I
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just said, I don't it doesn't smell right. And I mean,
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ever since then, I don't like to take any drinks
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that I'm given. I got to pour it myself. It's
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just a weird thing. I also don't like closets too,
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just so you know. But anyway, so I knew something
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was going on, and I was looking out the back
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window of my bedroom and I always kind of had
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the fear of the backyard that leads up to where
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these people live, and especially at night. And then there
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were some lights. There were some lights there, and I
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was afraid of those lights, but also I was compelled
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to want to explore it more. And it was then
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that I met this this being. You know, at the time,
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I didn't know who, you know, who he was or
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what he was. I knew he was unusual looking because
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he was very tall, he was kind of bluish gray,
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He had slanted eyes and kind of an upsy down
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tear shaped, you know, like a tear, but upside down,
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with slanted eyes, not not the big bug eyes, but
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like slanted, you know, big slanted eyes. And I didn't
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know his name, but he was communicating with me, and
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he said that the guy on in that house up
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there was a bad man and that I shouldn't go
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there anymore. And so I and there were other kids
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with me. I remember this. There were other kids with me,
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and they were afraid of this alien being. Now I
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know it's an alien bean And they said, how do
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we know you're not the bad man? You look like
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a bad man, And he said, because the other guy
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looked like a normal guy, you know, just a human being, right,
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And I remember he told me, said, what do you say,
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You say you can't judge a book by its cover.
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Even though I look scary, I'm not. I'm not the
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bad one. He's the bad one. And and he said
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you should tell your parents about him. And I said, well,
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you know, can I tell them about you? And they
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and he said yeah, but they probably won't believe it,
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but they will believe you about the bad man. So
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I never got a chance to tell my mom because
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she was very intuitive and psychic, so she knew something
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was wrong. So as soon as I said I don't
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want to go up there anymore, she said, Okay, you
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don't have to. It's fine, you don't have to go
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up there anymore. And interesting thing, I had two playmates,
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invisible playmates at the time that I would play with,
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and one was named John and the other was named Johnny. Well, John,
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I also called him Big Bad John was an adult
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and Johnny was a little kid. And I always thought
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it was weird that I had these invisible playmates. I
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guess that's weird enough, but maybe a lot of kids do.
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But one of them is a kid and one's an adult. Well,
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now I know. I did a hypnop regression, so I
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had conscious memories and I also had recovered memories. I
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know now that that Big Bad John was also an
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alien that was kind of watching over me, that had
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been assigned by the guy, the bluish you know, the tall,
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bluish gray man alien. So that was my first encounter.
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I had some memories of it, some conscious memories, and
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when I did the hypnotic regression with Yvonne Smith, it
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all came back and just for confirmation with that neighbor
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up there. My brother was at a Son's and Norway
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meeting several years ago and he met that bad man's
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wife's sister and he mentioned to her, he said, well,
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we haven't seen those people, those neighbors, you know, where
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are they what's going on with them? And her sister said, oh,
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we don't talk to them. He turned out to be
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a child molester, and my brother was horrified. And then
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he told me that, and oh, well, this all makes sense.
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You know why I wasn't supposed to go there, and
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what he was doing in that closet then became pretty obvious.
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So did you have any further experiences with this being, this,
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this bluish being.
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Yeah, he I put it all together now because I
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didn't know what his name was in nineteen ninety seven,
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I had a very powerful vision of him. Now I
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know it's the same guy. He referred to himself as
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the Progenitor. So one of my stories I talked about
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the in the second book, I think Timeless Desavou, I
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talked about the Progenitor and when I saw him, he
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had a different shit. I mean he was still tall,
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but he was like rotating in space and he had
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more of a proto human look. You know, I guess
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that proto human kind of looked, you know, facial hair
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and the long hair or whatever, and kind of a long,
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thin nose. And he told me that I was a seer,
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that's the word he used as seer, and that that
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was going to be my mission. And then he told
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me about He gave me a lesson on cosmology, this
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idea that you know that you know, one universe fits
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into another, that you know, what goes into a black
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hole here comes out in another dimension as a quasar
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or whatever. He explained all this stuff and I wrote
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it all down. It didn't make a whole lot of
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sense to me because I had to do some research
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about it. But the bottom line was that he was
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telling me that he's making contact with me and that
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he was the original, the progenitor, which means the first.
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And so I remember I wrote all this down, and
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I wrote I drew a picture of him and everything,
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but I didn't tell anybody except in It was in
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nineteen In nineteen ninety nine, I had a colleague of mine,
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anthropology professor, and I told her. I showed her the
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picture that I'd drawn, and I and I told her
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about the Progenitor and her response was, you're a pretty
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spacey dude, Bruce, and and so then I said, Okay,
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well that's not the reaction I was looking for, So
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maybe I better it's not time yet to tell my stories,
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because if she's going to give me a hard time
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about this, how am I going to tell her about
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everything else? So I kind of kept it in my
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back pocket. And and then after my friend Jean died,
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I started doing a lot of meditative walks where I
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would connect to those in the spirit world. And I
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decided I was going to try to connect to the Progenitor,
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and I did recently, about a year and a half ago,
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I guess it was. And now I have regular contact
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with him. And now I know his name is because
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I asked what his real name is and he said
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it's Nzar, a n z Ar And he is an
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ancient alien mystic is what he is, and an advisor
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to me, so he gives me information. In fact, a
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year ago he told me that there would be a
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series of calamities that would occur, and I was about
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a year ago, he warned me, and he said, it's
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time to get ready, time to prepare, and I said, well,
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when give me a date, you know, because that's what
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you want to know. I want to predict, you know.
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And he said, I can't tell you an exact date
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because he said predictions are often wrong, but preparations are
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never wrong, which is true. You know, it's really there's
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too many variables. So I asked him recently, you know,
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when all this stuff happened that's going on right now?
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I said, is this the calamity you talked about? And
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he says, this is the first of seven? And then
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I go, oh great, what I'm seven? And then I
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asked for more information and he said it'll He'll give
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me more information as time goes on. So I'm not
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in the business of predicting. I'm in the business of
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helping people prepare. And I think that's the wise thing
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to do. It's always best to, you know, to be prepared.
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And and I know some people that like when I
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do a couple of times people a lot of times
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people ask me, can you connect to my dead relative?
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And usually I can, as long as that dead relative
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wants to connect with somebody. If they don't want to,
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you know, be connected, it's hard to do it. But
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obviously it's impossible. But one time I did this for
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a lady and she I gave her information and she everything.
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She said, well, I don't know, it's not very accurate.
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You said that he called I'm just use a different name.
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You said that he said his name was Big Bob,
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but he never went by that name. And I said, okay,
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well he was Bob senior, and there is a Bob
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junior my brother. I said, well, then't that be Big Bob.
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I mean, sometimes the information doesn't come through like you
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and I are talking. It's more symbolic, so you don't
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always get the exact wording right. And then I mentioned
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something about spaghetti and she said, well, he he you know,
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he didn't like spaghetti. But last night my mom and
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I were eating spaghetti and talking about him. I said, okay,
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and there were a couple other things that were pretty close,
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you know, and she just discounted the whole thing because
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it wasn't exactly perfect. And that's the problem with predictions.
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Preparations are never bad, you know, but predictions can be
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wrong or they can you know, be partly true. But
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a lot of people expect with the paranormal, they expect perfection.
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They said, well, I'm not going to believe in unless
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you give me exact time and date, an exact description
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of what's going to happen and what's going to happen
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to me. Right, there's too many variables for that. The
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fact that you get any information should be remarkable enough.
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It's like, you know, where's this coming from? You know,
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not making it up. I actually am talking to this
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person that was your father or was your uncle or whatever.
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But it's amazing. People expect, I think because of Hollywood
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movies and Harry Potter and all that they expect everything
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to be at that scale, when it's actually more subtle.
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Sometimes it can be very profound, but oftentimes it's very subtle.
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And like all the experiments that are done with psychokinesis
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and telepathy, the results are always greater than chance. They
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always show that it's greater than chance. But most people
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are expecting perfection. Well, it has to be right every
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single time, otherwise I don't believe it, and they don't
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stop to think, how could it even be right at
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all unless it was real. So anyway, that's just some
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of the stuff that I've encountered over the past four
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years and you know, I enjoy actually enjoy skeptics though,
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because it's a challenge and I don't get into arguments
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with him. I just said, well, as my friend Jean says,
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experience is believing and believing its experience, because once you
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have the experience, you believe it, and then when you
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believe it, you're open to more. And until you get
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00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.799
to the next threshold, more stuff happens. You believe that,
477
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.319
and then you go to the next step. And I
478
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.319
don't think there's ever an end to it. Yeah, because
479
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:33.000
we're just scratching the surface, you know, I would agree.
480
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.480
Now, I wanted to ask you a little bit more
481
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:40.119
about this being Ansar. Yes, has he given you any
482
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:45.920
more recent information about these calamities or anything unfolding right now?
483
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:52.319
Yeah, he's been very helpful, you know, very early on,
484
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.839
based on what he was telling me. I switched to
485
00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:01.720
online classes several days before the college said we were
486
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.000
going to do it, and I got I talked to
487
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:05.920
my boss and I said, I have a feeling that
488
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.039
I that we shouldn't be having contact with you know,
489
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:13.279
I have had contact with ninety students a day, and
490
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.039
in a classroom where there's five other classes going on
491
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.519
throughout the day. So all this is going on, nobody's
492
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.920
cleaning anything, nobody's you know, safeguarding anything so or being
493
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.880
safe about anything. So I said, I'm just going to
494
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.400
switch to online. She said, I understand. That's fine, because
495
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.319
he had told me that this was coming, so I
496
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.279
knew I had an inkling that this was this was
497
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.359
the calamity he was speaking of. And I even mentioned
498
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.400
it on a on Facebook. Uh, I don't know, about
499
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.920
two weeks ago. I mentioned it because I'm starting to
500
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.720
share in a more I mean obviously on radio shows,
501
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.240
but on social media as well, and I'm getting attacked
502
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.920
by people, not by a lot of people, but you know,
503
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.599
significant number of Internet trolls. And I remembermember I said
504
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.559
that this was the first of you know, several calamities,
505
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.440
and this one guy wrote, oh, this doesn't qualify as
506
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:13.079
a calamity, and that was two weeks ago. So people
507
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.640
are just it's just so unbelievable. I think that's that's
508
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.240
probably what it is. That they they're frightened and they
509
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.200
don't want to believe it until it happens to them.
510
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.960
But I'll tell you this what I got today. This
511
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.519
is really hot off the presses or whatever. Actually it
512
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:33.039
was yesterday. I was told by Jane and by Enzar
513
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.920
they told me we are coming. And I said, that
514
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.680
sounds kind of ominous. What does that mean? We are coming?
515
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.720
So I asked for clarification today and they said that
516
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.599
the spirits, the alien beings what they called gods and angels,
517
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.839
are coming to us to help us. But they also
518
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.680
said that the demons and the corruptors they were called,
519
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.319
are also working against it. And they said it was
520
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.240
kind of what they would consider a battle for the earth.
521
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.359
That's what they told me, which is pretty scary stuff,
522
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.839
apocalyptic stuff. But I think, and I don't say that
523
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.799
to frighten listeners or anybody. It's for preparation. It's like,
524
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.920
take it seriously, you know. That's what they When I
525
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.839
speak Danzer lately, he's telling me you have to take
526
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.880
this seriously. And then they told me they said we
527
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.559
are coming. I take comfort in that. Actually, even though
528
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.839
they said that, you know, there's these bad forces, because
529
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.839
I think those of us that have had these experiences
530
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.480
know there are entities that are not good, and there
531
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.079
are entities that are good or that are helpful and
532
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.599
not helpful. There's some that are neutral too, but it's
533
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.519
comforting to me that they are. They're there with us,
534
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.519
and they're trying to help us, and so part of
535
00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:58.960
my job, I think part of my mission is to
536
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.920
help people and understand the gravity of the situation and
537
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.599
to realize there's a spiritual element to this. It's not
538
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.039
just what's going on in the physical world. There's also
539
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.640
something beyond that, and you've got to look through the
540
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.000
veil to to really be able to understand it that
541
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.240
there's more than what meets the eye. I guess that's
542
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.160
what I'm saying.
543
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:32.720
Of these these malevolent spirit demons. What based on your understanding?
544
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.079
Can you explain what is a demon? Based on your research?
545
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.160
Is it a lower vibrational entity? Is it was it
546
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.559
once a human spirit? Is it something older? There's so
547
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:51.480
many different theories and understandings of what a demon is.
548
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.920
Help us understand through your research.
549
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.880
Yeah, and my personal experience. You know, when you lead
550
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.960
a paranormal life, don't always make the right decisions because
551
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.920
you don't understand it. I've now learned that you don't
552
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.400
mess around with things you don't understand, and if something
553
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.079
doesn't seem right, run the other way. I mean that's
554
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.240
just the way it is. But I've had a couple
555
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.680
of experience with demonic entities. I'll give you an example,
556
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.359
a very frightening one that I wrote about in Timeless Trinity.
557
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.920
I was after an appearance on Coast to Coast AM
558
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.839
with George Nori. A lot of people contacted me, you know,
559
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.200
and some of them were, you know, nice people, and
560
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.839
some of them were kind of, you know, a little
561
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.200
bit out there and they need help, you know, a
562
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.400
couple of people. But there was one guy called He
563
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.319
got hold of me. He was a film producer, and
564
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.119
he said, well, it sounds like you got a lot
565
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.680
of psychic abilities, so I'd like to test your psychic abilities.
566
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.160
I took that as a challenge. You know, I'm a
567
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.880
competitive person. I played sports and stuff and I just
568
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.920
kind of competitive. So okay, you know, he said, I'll
569
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.839
fly you out to Chicago. What do you say. I'll
570
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.079
fly you out to Chicago and I'll test you. I'll
571
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.640
take you to different paranormal sites and let's see. I
572
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.799
won't tell you anything. You just you see what you
573
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.279
can pick up. You know, I know what happened there,
574
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.559
but you may not know. You don't know, So I said, fine,
575
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.920
I'll do that. And so it was a matter of
576
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.799
it's a cautionary tale, and this is a cautionary tale.
577
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.680
So I went there with filled with pride, and I'm
578
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:26.559
going to show this guy what I can do, you know,
579
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.079
and I'm going to get on his you know, documentary
580
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.000
or whatever he's going to do. And he was a
581
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.359
nice guy and everything. But he took me to the
582
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.000
South side of Chicago and we pulled into this all
583
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.599
these parking lot of all places, you know, that German
584
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.640
store that I guess grocery store or whatever. And I
585
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.359
got out of the car and I immediately looked around
586
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.319
and I started to see a vision of like eighteen eighties,
587
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.440
eighteen nineties, you know, the horse and buggies, people in
588
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.640
dark clothing. Everybody's moving around. There were not paying attention
589
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.160
to me, and I was just observing all this frantic movement.
590
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.720
But there was one guy right in front of me,
591
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.280
probably about twenty yards away, with a bowler hat, dark
592
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.800
menacing eyes, a kind of a one of those curly mustaches,
593
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.079
big mustache kind of curled up at the end. He
594
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.079
had a dark code on and he was just staring
595
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.440
at me, and it was really scary. I mean, the
596
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.960
guy scared me, but everybody else is moving, but he
597
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.480
was paying attention to me. So then that went away.
598
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.079
I said, Okay, there's something going on here. So I
599
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.280
started walking around. And usually what I do is I
600
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.119
go up and touch a tree or some old, very
601
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.679
old object because I feel like it retained some kind
602
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:47.039
of memory or energy. And I went up to I
603
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.480
was about to touch this tree in this alley way
604
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.639
behind the all these parking lot and I went to
605
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.920
touch it and I was driven to the ground. And
606
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.280
when I say driven to the ground, I mean by
607
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.360
incredible force to the ground and down on my knees
608
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.320
and I could not get up. And it says a
609
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.000
lot because to have that happening, because I'm six three,
610
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.760
about two hundred and sixty pounds, I'm a big person,
611
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.320
you know, almost like an NFL size, you know, So
612
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.119
that took a lot of force to do that. But
613
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.840
there was nobody there. It was an invisible force, and
614
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.199
it drove me into the ground. I injured my foot,
615
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.159
I injured my knee. And the worst part of it
616
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.039
is when I was being driven into the ground and
617
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:30.199
held down, I had this vision of people in a
618
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.599
dungeon and there's men, women and children. They were being tortured,
619
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:38.360
they were being asphyxiated, they were crying out in pain,
620
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.239
and I just lost it. It was frightening and I
621
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.960
lost almost my will to live. It's like I just
622
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.360
was giving up. And I thought, and then I caught
623
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.039
myself and I go, what this is not right. I
624
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.039
can get up. I can get up. So I got
625
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.800
myself up and the guy wasn't filming, but he was recording.
626
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.840
He had me miked up, and he said, what the
627
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.320
heck's going on? And I told him and he said, well,
628
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.480
I feel funny, and I said there's something wrong. I said, yeah,
629
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.920
there's something wrong here. Let's get out of here. I
630
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.800
don't want to be here. So we got into his
631
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:13.440
car and as we were driving away, I said, don't
632
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.639
ever take me to a place like that again, because
633
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.760
the only hint he gave me is that something. It's
634
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.000
rather dark here, that's all he said. So I said,
635
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.599
don't ever take me to place like that. So what
636
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.440
is this place? And he said, well, that's the site
637
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:33.400
of the Murder Hotel, which was the hotel that HH Holmes,
638
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.280
doctor HH Holmes had built for the Chicago World's Fair
639
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.599
and he had maybe murdered three hundred people in that
640
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.199
structure where he had dungeons and he had torture rooms
641
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.480
and you know where he killed all these people. And
642
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.639
he was probably America's first serial killer. And I think
643
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.000
there was a book written the most definitive books called
644
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.480
Devil in the White City, I think is what the
645
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.679
book to recommend to any listeners about H. H. Holmes.
646
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.960
But he's been on the subject of many documentaries and stuff.
647
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.239
But that's what it was. It was the demonic spirit
648
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.159
that either drove him to do what he did or
649
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:19.519
it was him in a very negative demonic type spirit energy.
650
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.480
So the cautionary tales there. You know, I went there
651
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.480
to try to impress this guy, so I let my
652
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.239
radar dish up, and I was My defenses were down
653
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.880
and I was trying to pick up and everything try
654
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:36.039
to impress this guy my own hubris right, my own pride,
655
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.800
and I got slammed, I got bush whacked, I got
656
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.320
whatever you want to call it, you know, psychically and
657
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.119
physically and injured. So this stuff is nothing to play
658
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.480
around with. The darker side of this stuff is nothing
659
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.400
to play around with. You've got to protect yourself. You've
660
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.159
got to be careful. And when people say, oh, let's
661
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.079
go in there because there's supposedly some kind of demon
662
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.000
in this house or something, I'm not going in there.
663
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.800
There's no reason for me to go in there. I'm
664
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.559
gonna feel it. I'm gonna feel it psychically, I'm gonna
665
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:08.599
feel it physically, and I don't want that. I just
666
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.719
do what I do with protection and safety, and that's
667
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.440
fine with me because I know what can happen. So anyway,
668
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.199
that was in my experience with a demonic entity. Now,
669
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.960
whether it was the thing that drove him, which I
670
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:26.159
don't know which would in my view, this kind of
671
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:31.320
thing never had been human, this demon, this demonic entity,
672
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.280
or it was his demonic spirit, I don't know which
673
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.559
it was, or some combination. But I think there are
674
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.039
you know, terrible people that get stuck and they don't descend,
675
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.280
they don't go anywhere. They get stuck wherever they are,
676
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.960
and you know, he's still murdering people and hurting people psychically,
677
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.079
you know, and physically in that location. And if you
678
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.880
look around that location south side of Chicago, all these
679
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.360
people are walking around and they have no ife idea
680
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.280
what was there because people don't understand history, they don't
681
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.719
understand what was there, and they all look so depressed,
682
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.960
and the whole area is depressed, and there's graffiti all over,
683
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.960
and I'm sure there's gang activity there. It's just it's
684
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.639
a horribly depressing place and these poor people who live
685
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.159
there probably have no clue why their lives are so miserable.
686
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.960
What do you do now to kind of protect yourself
687
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:30.000
against any kind of spiritual attack or something like that.
688
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.880
Yeah, well, first, I don't let my pride get in
689
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.760
the way. I don't have to demonstrate to anybody. I
690
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.840
don't have to, you know, So that's that was why
691
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.159
it's a cautionary tale. The other thing is I make
692
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.079
very sure that when I open up my psychic radar
693
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.599
dish and open to the world, you know, I have protection.
694
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.239
I have my spirit guides. I also, you know, I
695
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.960
pray and I appeal to God, and so I think
696
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.599
whatever method people want, whatever means the most to them,
697
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.119
get that protection set up. And if you have a
698
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.400
spirit guide, like I have two of them, they can
699
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.079
protect me and keep the bad entities out so they
700
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.679
don't creep in and try to do something. So that's
701
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.119
That's what I've learned. So when you turn it on,
702
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.639
you've got to have protection. You can't just be open
703
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.559
to whatever's out there, because you know, I learned my lesson.
704
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.440
You just you can't do that. You're just setting yourself
705
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.239
up for some kind of disaster or getting some kind
706
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.599
of even at the least, you're going to get some
707
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.800
kind of energy sucking entity that's going to attach itself
708
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.679
to you, and you're going to start feeling run down
709
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.480
and you can't sleep, and you just I mean, you
710
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.280
have to be really careful with that stuff and cleanse
711
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:48.239
yourself after you have you know this, you know medium shift,
712
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.760
make sure that you don't drag any of those entities
713
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.519
into your home, you know, so you have to be
714
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.400
very very careful.
715
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:02.039
Now you have communication with spirits that give you information, yeah, possibly,
716
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.800
you know, inter dimensional extraterrestrials, whatever you want to call them.
717
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:12.199
Do you also have any other precognitive psychic abilities? Have
718
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:17.239
you ever had any just information about future events or
719
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.639
anything just pop into your head something like that?
720
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.960
Yeah, I will tell you. And I wasn't the only one,
721
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.679
but like the morning of nine to eleven, before nine
722
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.920
to eleven happened, I was back east. I was at
723
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.519
the on the Norfolk Naval Base, and we were on
724
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.199
a tour and we were staying in the military hotel,
725
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.679
Navy hotel right there on the base, and I had
726
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.679
a terrible nightmare that morning. And the nightmare was where
727
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:48.199
everything was falling apart. The ground was shaking, there was
728
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:52.960
the mountains were the hills were crumbling, There were tsunamis,
729
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.400
there were just every all these things happening at one time.
730
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.199
The whole world was just falling apart. And I woke
731
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.400
up in a cold sweat, and I remember I told
732
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.920
my friends that I was with my two colleagues, and then,
733
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.760
you know, we just kind of put it aside, and
734
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.559
then we went about our day on a tour of
735
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.599
the base. And then sure enough nine to eleven happened,
736
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.360
and we got locked down for like six hours on
737
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.079
the base, and we didn't know, you know, whether the
738
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.239
base was going to be attacked or whatever. We couldn't
739
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:25.760
get through to our families. I found out through ions
740
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.159
the Institute of Neuetic Sciences that researched this, there were
741
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.840
literally hundreds of thousands of people around the world who
742
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:40.639
had a very similar precognitive dream about that event. Now,
743
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.159
people like doctor Dean Rayden, who is probably the world's
744
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:50.840
preeminent parapsychologist and researcher, and he's the chief scientist at
745
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:55.880
Ions in Petaluma, California. He said that, and there are
746
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.679
other people have written about it too. Backwards causality. If
747
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.239
something is really terrible, some of that precognitive stuff you
748
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.280
pick up in the signal line in the spirit world
749
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.280
could be an event that's so terrible that it goes
750
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.239
backwards in time and gives you clues that it's going
751
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.719
to happen because it is so you know, because in
752
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.719
the quantum world, you know, there is no past in future,
753
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.000
it's all the eternal. Now, if you tap into that,
754
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.599
you can tap into the fact that something terrible is
755
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.320
going to happen. If it's just a minor event, it
756
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.480
might be harder to pick up on because it's not
757
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.239
going to be as noisy, if that makes sense, whereas
758
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.840
something it's kind of like a loud boom versus a
759
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.639
little noise, you know. And I think that backward causality
760
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.239
causes you know, going backwards in time in our linear
761
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.679
time will cause us to pick up on And I
762
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.480
think that's what happened with nine to eleven. I think
763
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:53.239
that's what happened with this calamity. I'll call it a
764
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.960
calamity because it is that we're going through. And I
765
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.119
think that that even if I didn't have contact with
766
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.559
Ansar or these others, I might have had pre cognitive dreams.
767
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.800
Although I have been feeling very restless for the last
768
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:10.599
couple of months, and not just me, but a lot
769
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.360
of my friends as well, who are tied into this stuff,
770
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.679
and we were just thinking, you know that there's going
771
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.360
to be something, and I said, well, a year ago
772
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.079
I was told there would be something, but I didn't
773
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:28.039
know exactly when, and then this happened. So yeah, so that, yeah,
774
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:34.840
I've had precognition, and it can be a very frightening thing.
775
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.679
And of course if you act on everything, like if
776
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:39.840
you went around and said, okay, I had this precognitive
777
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.360
dream that this is going to happen, well maybe it
778
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.920
won't happen exactly like that. So what's better is if
779
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.800
you get an inkling about something, just to do some
780
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.079
kind of even if it's a minor preparation, do something.
781
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.079
That's why six months ago I bought a generator and
782
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:04.960
I bought extra food. Story now, at the time, my wife, Ginger,
783
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.039
she she's not I'm not going to say she's a skeptic,
784
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.239
but you know, she's kind of She's very supportive, but
785
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.159
not exactly you know, on board totally with this stuff.
786
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.400
And it was kind of a tough sell for her.
787
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.639
You know, why are you buying you know, this big
788
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.400
thing of rice. Why are you buying a generator? And
789
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.639
I said, well, I don't, you know. I want to prepare.
790
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:30.760
I want to be prepared, and so I think preparations
791
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.239
are never wrong. I think that, but predictions often can
792
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.920
be wrong, but sometimes they're right.
793
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.239
Now, going back to beings that exist beyond the spectrum
794
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.519
of our vision. In the beginning, we talked briefly about
795
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.519
angels and how you think your first experience may have
796
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:59.039
involved an angelic being. What is your understanding of angels?
797
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:05.599
Are these celestial entities? Are they extraterrestrials? Are they something more?
798
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.199
Are they something more powerful than we can understand? What's
799
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.239
your understanding of angels?
800
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.800
I don't think they've ever been human as far as
801
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.639
I know, at least my spirit guide, Theodora, I don't
802
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.199
think she's ever been human. So she is a celestial
803
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:27.760
being of some type. Whether that would be considered an
804
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.719
extraterrestrial perhaps it could. I will tell you this. My
805
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.119
friend Jean, who I mentioned, who's kind of started this
806
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:43.239
whole thing for me recently, he told me he said, remember,
807
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.519
we are the aliens. And at first I thought, well,
808
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.559
what does that mean? I mean, does that mean like
809
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.159
you are like the people in the spirit world? You
810
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.719
guys are really the aliens, and that's who's contact, that's
811
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.119
who people are seeing, or like we all are, you know.
812
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.800
And then what I've come to understand is that we're
813
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:09.559
all connected. That's what he meant. And I had one
814
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.079
one spirit that I got in contact with that said,
815
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:20.239
where you are in your physical realm, but in a
816
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.599
different reality, you are the ghosts. So you might be
817
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.440
occupying the same space but in a different continuum. So
818
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.519
what we see as ghosts running around are actually in
819
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.840
their world. They may think that they have a reality
820
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.960
too that and we're the ghosts. So I mean, who
821
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.039
knows for sure? I don't think anybody knows for sure.
822
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.079
We catch these little glimpses, we all get a little
823
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.079
piece of the puzzle, and what we need to do
824
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.480
is all put our puzzle pieces together. It's like a
825
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:53.880
giant three thousand, five thousand piece puzzle, you know, And
826
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.400
you can't just look at one thing. Oh, I get it,
827
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.320
I understand it. You got to try to share and
828
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.280
put it all together and work together, and then we
829
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.400
can see the bigger picture. Yeah, that's what I think.
830
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.840
That's what I think about angels, And that's been my experience. Anyway.
831
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:15.519
Have you ever had any experience with cryptid beings such
832
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.559
as like bigfoot, dog men, things such as that. Are
833
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.360
any done any research on it? Because I believe that
834
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.400
that's also connected very much with this entire phenomenon.
835
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.440
Yeah, you know, I have had a bigfoot experience, and
836
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.039
I had another cryptid experience, some kind of a wolf
837
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.800
like creature when I was younger. I used to hang
838
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.159
out in graveyards when I was a kid, which should
839
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.880
give you an indicator that there was something unusual about me.
840
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.480
I think my parents realized it right away. But I
841
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.360
would drag my little friends with me and we'd go
842
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:50.920
to the local graveyard. It's about a mile away from
843
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.480
my house, and we would ride our bikes there and
844
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.840
we'd make a lunch, and we'd like a brown bag lunch.
845
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.679
We'd bring it there and we'd go to the oldest,
846
00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.800
creepiest part of the graveyard. We'd sit there and eat
847
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:06.199
our And my brother told me that when if you
848
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:07.679
go in on the other side of the road to
849
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.280
where the mortuary was and where they had the crematorium,
850
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.360
that there was a dirt road that went down to
851
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.920
this pond. And he's him and his teenage friends used
852
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.119
to go down there and I guess smoke cigarettes and
853
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:21.440
drink beer or whatever you know teenagers were doing. And
854
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.159
he told me about that place, and I told my
855
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.000
little friend, well, we got to go down there one day.
856
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.760
So we went down there through the woods, kind of
857
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.559
winding through the woods, got to this thing I call
858
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.519
out a swamp pond. There's all these big tall trees
859
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:37.480
with heavy growth, you know, like moss and stuff on them,
860
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.039
and the pond was filled with lily pads, and it
861
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.760
was really dark there because the forest was surrounding it.
862
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.440
And we heard some noises when we were down there.
863
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.440
This one time, we heard noises on the other side
864
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.840
of the swamp pond, and like crashing noises, breaking sticks
865
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.719
and sticker bushes. And I said, boy, that sounds like
866
00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.840
a pretty big animal over there. Maybe we should get
867
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:01.679
out here. And my friend said, yeah, let's get out
868
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.079
of here. So he took off on his bike. And
869
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.519
these old bikes that we had, the chains were always
870
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.719
falling off, you know, especially when you were in a hurry.
871
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.599
So my chain fell off and this thing kept coming,
872
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.800
you know. I heard it crashing coming on our side
873
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.480
of the pond, and finally got the chain on and
874
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.119
we took off and I got up towards the top
875
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.360
and I was able to look back, and it was
876
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.559
kind of in the late afternoon, so it was kind
877
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.840
of there was like a fog setting in. It was
878
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.360
this weird kind of fogginess. And I saw this creature
879
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.199
and it looked like a like a wolf, but it
880
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.760
was taller, and so I figured it was like a wolf,
881
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.760
half wolf, half man, wolfman or whatever. I don't know
882
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.760
what it was, either that or it was the biggest
883
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.199
dog and tallest dog that's you know, I've ever seen,
884
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.079
like a wolfhound or something. And it was on its
885
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.039
hind legs and it was by this these crypts, you know,
886
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.119
these concrete crypts that they used to line grapes with.
887
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.760
There was like a pile of them there, and it
888
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.360
was near that and I just said, just keep going,
889
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.280
just keep going, and that so that was that. I
890
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.320
think I was eight years old, and that we never
891
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.000
went back to that pond. I don't know what that
892
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.960
creature was. Somebody who listened to me tell the story
893
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.400
said maybe it was a bear, and I said, well,
894
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.159
it could have been, I guess, but you know, i'd
895
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.679
looked more like a wolf to me, or wolf type creature.
896
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.960
And then the Bigfoot story was in Oric in northern California.
897
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.920
We were driving. We're almost in Oric, which is in
898
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.880
the Redwoods there in northern California, and my wife, Ginger,
899
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:37.119
was sleeping and I was driving. And as I was
900
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.360
going around this corner and this very I mean redwoods
901
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.320
on both sides. It was nighttime, so it was just
902
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.079
pitch black. As I was heading around, the headlights caught
903
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.039
this this thing on the side of the road, I
904
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.360
mean right on the edge of the pavement. And it's
905
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:56.559
only a two lane highway so it's narrow. And this
906
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.480
thing was hairy and it was huge, I mean it
907
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.000
was it was maybe at least seven feet tall. But
908
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.559
it was wearing a hat, which I thought was weird.
909
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.000
So at first I thought, why is somebody standing there
910
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.880
on the side of the road, and they're like halfway
911
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.320
onto the road too, with cars speeding by. That'd be
912
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.320
the stupidest thing to do, you know, why would you
913
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.480
do that? And as I went by it, it was
914
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.559
right there on the side of the road and I
915
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.079
just kept going and I woke up Ginger and I said,
916
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.119
I think I just saw Bigfoot. That thing was Harry.
917
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.559
It looked like a giant ape, you know, but it
918
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:36.880
had a hat on, and she said, yeah, no, that
919
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.800
couldn't have been. I said, well, let's stop and we'll
920
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:40.639
go back and I can show. She said no, no, no,
921
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.400
just keep going, you know, because she wouldn't want to
922
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.679
take a chance, right, So I said, well, maybe we
923
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.760
can stop. You know, I was getting tired, and I said,
924
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.679
why don't we stop in Orc we can find a hotel.
925
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.000
And she said, no, no, you just keep driving. So
926
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:56.920
we kept driving. Well, I found out that where I
927
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.239
saw that was not far I think ten less than
928
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.760
ten miles away from where that famous Bigfoot video is from.
929
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.880
I forgot the name of the guy who did the video,
930
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.079
and everybody's seen it, you know, walking you know, kind
931
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.519
of ambling along in the in the forest, it was
932
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:18.920
probably probably eight miles away from that location, so there
933
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:21.000
have been a lot. There are more sightings in that area,
934
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.599
I think than any place in the world, and so
935
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.039
that that was my experience. Now I remember that comedian
936
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.400
I forgot his name. He died of a drug overdose.
937
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.519
He's very funny. I wish I could remember his name.
938
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:39.599
But he he said, people ask, why is it always
939
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.599
that the pictures of the videos they have a bigfoot
940
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.239
are blurry? You know? And then he said, I got
941
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.400
an idea, maybe it's because he is blurry, you know.
942
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:54.360
And then I thought, that's kind of a cool idea, because,
943
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.079
you know, because what if he's phasing in and phasing out.
944
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.000
What if it's not just what we think it is.
945
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:00.960
What if it's an inter DIMENSI kind of thing. So
946
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I wish I could remember that comedian's name, but.
947
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.400
I think I know who you're talking about. I think
948
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.599
it's kind of long hair Mitch something. I think, yeah, Mitch,
949
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.880
Mitch Hedbert. Yeah, Okay, that's what it was. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,
950
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:20.599
that guy was funny. Now, with this phenomenon, I find
951
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:25.480
it fascinating, especially there's one place you've probably heard of,
952
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.039
Skinwalker Ranch. Yes, I've had quite a few guests that
953
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:34.400
I've had the actually the current superintendent on. I've had
954
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.159
other researchers on talk about it. I find the place
955
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:42.400
fascinating because there's such a concentration of this phenomenon and
956
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:47.719
everything is there from bigfoot, cryptids, UFOs, aliens. It's just
957
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.679
such a concentrated place. It seems like the energy there
958
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.480
is off the charts, right.
959
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.599
No, I've never been there. In a way, it would
960
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:00.679
be interesting to go there, But in another way, I
961
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.719
met I would have to be really really prepared, and
962
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:05.760
I certainly don't want to be trying to impress some
963
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.960
film producer. If I was going there, I would just
964
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.679
go there very carefully, quietly on my own, and just
965
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.199
be able to make a quick exit. I had some
966
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.400
friends who went to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. They
967
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.760
went to a conference there, and they had every kind
968
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:26.039
of experience you can imagine at that. It's a very
969
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.119
magical place, and of course it has a very terrible
970
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:34.239
tragic history. That wounded Knee that's where wounded me is.
971
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.840
But they had the medicine men there said that they
972
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:44.000
have bigfoot sightings all the time, and they also have
973
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.480
their space brothers as they call them, rather than aliens.
974
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:53.679
So there's just certain places that attract this kind of energy,
975
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.559
or maybe there's a portal or something. I don't know
976
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.559
what the official term would be, but there seems to
977
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:03.519
be some places where that the barrier between the worlds
978
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:09.719
is much thinner and much more permeable, let's say, you know,
979
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.239
or semi permeable. And I think that's probably what's happening.
980
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:21.280
And what's his name? Whitley Streeber right wrote Communion, that
981
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.760
big bestseller. He came out with a book called A
982
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:28.119
New World and was. I listened to it on tape
983
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.320
books on tape or audiobook, and he was talking about
984
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:37.239
how the alien the extraterrestrials or visitors as he calls them,
985
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:43.039
can see a glow about people who have had experiences
986
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.119
and can connect with them, and they choose you. It's
987
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:48.039
like they'll see all these people, they can see what's
988
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.559
going on, right, but they'll see certain people with some
989
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.840
kind of glow. I call it a radar dish, but
990
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.199
maybe it's a glow, like he says. And I think
991
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.480
they hone in on you and they say, okay, this
992
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.079
person we can contact. And I think think it's not
993
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.119
only people, but it's locations. Like you said, for whatever reason,
994
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.400
skin walk a ranch is probably that place. There's a
995
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.320
glow about it, there's a rip in space, time, continuum,
996
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:12.800
whatever it is, and they can hone in on it,
997
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.559
and that's why they're attracted to it. That's my theory.
998
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.760
I don't know for sure, but I think that might
999
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:19.440
be what it is.
1000
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.360
Now. In closing tonight, i'd like to get your thoughts
1001
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.159
on this. It seems that the ancients had an amazing
1002
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:31.079
connection to this phenomenon, whatever it is that's on the
1003
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:34.159
other side of our spectrum of vision. They had a
1004
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:39.519
connection with these beings communication. They seem to understand it
1005
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:43.480
so much more than we do. Do you think that
1006
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.800
in our lifetime that we will have a level of
1007
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.320
understanding possibly that the ancients had, and maybe even communication
1008
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.519
with the other side on the same level.
1009
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.039
Well, I tend to be optimistic, even though I said
1010
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.000
some things that sound like they're going to be pretty bad,
1011
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.719
But I'm ast optimistic that we will come out of
1012
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.079
the other side, okay, you know, not unscathed, but we
1013
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.920
will come out of the other side, okay. And one
1014
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.840
of the lessons we have to learn is our interconnectedness.
1015
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.440
And in our modern world, we have forgotten a lot
1016
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.920
of what the ancients knew, the wisdom that they had,
1017
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.760
you know, whether it's the Native Americans or any of
1018
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.679
the indigenous people we have, you know, the Aborigines in Australia.
1019
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.039
We have set that aside a superstition and that's just
1020
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.280
of the old world. And it's you know, magical thinking
1021
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.000
or whatever the technical term is. But what a great
1022
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:42.440
world it would be if we had our scientific world,
1023
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:47.199
in our ancient world, wisdom melded together into a hybrid
1024
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:53.519
of understanding of where we are in the universe. And
1025
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.280
I think then we can ascend, Then we can move
1026
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.159
to the next level, and then all these nagging problems
1027
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:02.639
that we have probably be solved because we'll realize that
1028
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.000
none of that other stuff matters. That what really matters
1029
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.000
is our connection to each other, our connection to everything,
1030
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.199
our connection to the universe. As you know, when you
1031
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.960
study quantum physics, you see that everything is connected, and
1032
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.159
it's an illusion that we see as everything being separate.
1033
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.360
And once you realize that, I think that opens you
1034
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:29.760
up to the next experience. So I tend to be optimistic.
1035
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.000
Well that's I think that's the best way to be,
1036
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:36.880
especially in the times we're facing right now. You have
1037
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.360
to stay optimistic. And thank you so much for coming
1038
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:43.400
on tonight. Before you head out. Let everyone know where
1039
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.800
they can find your books, website, social media, anything like that.
1040
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.159
Yeah, sure, thank you very much for inviting me. Chris
1041
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:56.039
the Bruce Olovsolheim dot com. So my first name, Bruce
1042
00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:01.599
Olov is my middle name, Olav Solheim sol him dot
1043
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.920
com or Amazon. Just go to Amazon, look out Bruce Solheim.
1044
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.960
You'll find my Timeless books. And if you go to
1045
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.800
my website, you can also see my snart comic book,
1046
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.840
which is another thing I did recently, also with an
1047
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.199
alien theme, so it's kind of fun in all ages.
1048
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.400
Comic book a whole other story in and of itself.
1049
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.679
But that's where you can find me. I'm on Facebook too,
1050
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.559
you find me there so and Twitter.
1051
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.920
I guess well, thank you so much, Bruce. We're going
1052
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.920
to have you back on in the future, and thank you.
1053
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:40.480
Have you ever had Terry Lovelace on.
1054
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.840
I've actually contacted him this week for a show.
1055
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.719
He's my good friend.
1056
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.360
Yeah, good guy.
1057
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.079
I'd love to have him on. Yeah, looking forward to that.
1058
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.039
I'll give him a good word about you.
1059
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.360
Definitely tonight. I want to welcome Alan Stivelman. He is
1060
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:03.039
an Argentinian filmmaker developing both in fiction and documentary film.
1061
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.039
His first film, Humano, has had more than three million
1062
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.599
viewers worldwide and has been translated into more than seven
1063
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:15.000
languages and is available on Netflix. His new film, Witness
1064
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.440
of Another World, is an emotional story of a gaucho who,
1065
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.599
at the age of twelve, had a supernatural encounter that
1066
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.559
changed his life forever. It was premiered in cinemas in Spain,
1067
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.119
Paraguay and Argentina, being the most watched documentary of the year.
1068
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.719
The film will be released on all major streaming platforms
1069
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:37.159
on October twenty second. Alan, welcome and thank you for
1070
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.119
so much for joining us. I know it's very early there.
1071
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.639
Hello Grease, thanks for having me.
1072
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.679
You know, this was an amazing film. It was such
1073
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.760
an emotional film, and it takes you not only through
1074
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:57.480
Juan Perez's extraordinary encounter, but how it affected his entire life,
1075
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.800
And it takes you through an amazing trand information after
1076
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.119
you go to see him, Alan, I'd like to know
1077
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:10.239
a little bit more about your background and then how
1078
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.920
you came to find this extraordinary case.
1079
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.360
Well, I'm a filmmaker. This is my second movie. I
1080
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:26.039
was new in the UFO phenomenon field I came into
1081
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:30.079
thanks to the story of Waeparis and I met him
1082
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:38.199
by change a chain of synchronicity. It was twenty thirteen
1083
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:42.280
and I was writing a script. I was doing automatic
1084
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.400
writing by that time, a technique from the surialists. And
1085
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.719
while I was doing this, I stopped this script when
1086
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:56.840
I had thirty pages, and I was writing a story
1087
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:02.239
about an outroduction, a couple that was abducted by some
1088
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:08.000
entities outer space. And then I realized that I was
1089
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:13.639
writing this story that I wasn't part of the of
1090
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.639
these supernatural things. So I have to start. So I
1091
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:22.159
started to read plenty of books about the uf phenomenon,
1092
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:26.679
the abduction phenomenon, and then I bought a book that
1093
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.960
it was sold out fifteen years ago. It was a
1094
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.719
book about abduction cases from Argentina. It was written by
1095
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:39.559
a psychologist and a psychiatrist, and it was quite interesting
1096
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:46.679
because one of these chapters they spoke about the one
1097
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:52.239
first case, and I think it was one year after
1098
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:57.599
I was in Rosario, a city near Buenos Aires. And
1099
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:02.199
I was presenting in the cinema previous movie Umana, and
1100
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:07.760
in the audience it was it was there Dr Nesta Verlanda,
1101
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.400
one of the authors of this book, and I was
1102
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:14.199
having his book while I was chatting with the audience.
1103
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:23.159
So he went he came after I finished my speech.
1104
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.360
He came after me and said something like, why do
1105
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.000
you have my book? It was sold out fifteen years ago.
1106
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.920
This is not by chance. I'm here, you are here,
1107
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.760
you're having my book. Let's meet each other. So the
1108
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.519
next day we went for a pixa and while he
1109
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.760
was explaining me that one of the most significant cases,
1110
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.639
it was the one's first case, he showed me a video,
1111
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.559
a small footage of Juan trying to explain what he
1112
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:56.360
saw when he was eighteen years old and he was
1113
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:00.800
in the middle of congress UFO Congress, and he was
1114
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.840
trying to explain what he saw, and immediately after he
1115
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.639
started to cry. He broke down. And I felt something
1116
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:14.199
very strange while I was seeing that footage, because it
1117
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.920
was my first time that I was witnessing a witness
1118
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:24.239
of an of a spectacular encounter, of a supernatural encounter.
1119
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:28.639
And I said to doctor Nesterberland that I wanted to
1120
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:32.679
meet one. And six months later, four months later, sorry,
1121
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:37.039
we went to the countryside, I met One. It was
1122
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:43.320
a wonderful experience for me and four years after I
1123
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.599
was doing this project.
1124
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:48.519
Now, can you give us a little bit of a
1125
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:52.880
backstory on One. He is a gaucho, which is basically
1126
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:57.639
a cowboy that lives very remotely in Argentina.
1127
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:05.760
Right right, Yes, he's a Now he's fifty two, and
1128
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:08.199
do you want to explain a little bit about what
1129
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.920
he saw about his experience.
1130
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.360
To go into that a little later, Just just give
1131
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.000
a little bit about One himself. Just a little bit
1132
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:16.719
about his background and family.
1133
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.320
Well, he.
1134
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:24.519
Was raised in the countryside with his family. He has
1135
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:31.079
seven seven siblings. His father was very strict, very severe
1136
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.800
with him, and this happened to him when he was
1137
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.800
twelve years old. He was a very shy person and
1138
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:45.840
after this contact, he started to have premonition dreams and
1139
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:50.559
also he received mockery from his friends, from his family,
1140
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:55.559
and that's the reason why he ran away from his
1141
01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:59.920
house and started to live through different asiendus.
1142
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.960
Now, in the beginning of this film, you can tell
1143
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.320
that he is profoundly traumatized by this event and it
1144
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:12.599
has affected his entire life. You know, what did you
1145
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.559
see from him whenever you first met him?
1146
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:20.199
I saw a broken man, a very big and brave
1147
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:26.119
man from one side, because one is quite big. You
1148
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:30.599
wouldn't you won't say that he has a trauma the
1149
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.320
first time you met him. But after some minutes, if
1150
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:40.559
he if he opens you like started to share his feelings,
1151
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:45.719
he thoughts you will start to perceive that something is
1152
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:51.480
something is wrong with him. Because five minutes after that
1153
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:54.599
I've met him the first time, he started to cry,
1154
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.559
trying to explain what he saw. That what he has
1155
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:04.519
is not good nor bad, but it's like a like
1156
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:11.360
a nightmare. He's living like a living hell. Because remember
1157
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:20.079
that the immediately after that this encounter happened, one started
1158
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:25.960
to have premonition dreams, recognitive dreams that it was something
1159
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:31.119
that was really hard for him to deal with. But
1160
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:34.000
my sensation was that I was in front of a
1161
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:39.880
very innocence man. He was purely he was purely hard.
1162
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.159
He was looking at me like asking for help, but
1163
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.760
he didn't know how to ask for it, because the
1164
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:54.119
most profound question that he was asking to himself was
1165
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.520
why this happened to me? Why to me? And that?
1166
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:03.119
And I took that question and four years after I
1167
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:05.560
was able to make this movie. But before that, I
1168
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.079
had to read plenty of books. I had to prepare
1169
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.239
myself to deal with a contact tea because I was
1170
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.199
dealing with a human being, with a person with a soul,
1171
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:22.560
with fears. It was not a regular movie for me
1172
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.920
because one of the goals of this movie was to
1173
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:32.520
try to get answers for one, try to relieve him
1174
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:34.520
his from his spain.
1175
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:39.239
A big part of his trauma scene that he felt
1176
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.479
like he couldn't talk to anyone about this, you know,
1177
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.920
he felt like, guess like they would be ridiculing him
1178
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.880
or something totally.
1179
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:54.039
And that's a good appreciation because by that time, well
1180
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.600
his whole life, he thought that he was the only
1181
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:04.039
one who had this kind of encounter or capability because
1182
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:09.119
he never met another contactee, he never read a book,
1183
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.359
he never saw a movie of science fiction. He was
1184
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:18.479
really seeing that he was around his around around him,
1185
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.279
or around his hometown or his family. He thought that
1186
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.279
he was the only one who had this kind of experience.
1187
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:34.880
So that was another kind of topic that one felt
1188
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:38.920
that he was, yeah, the only one who had this issue.
1189
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.119
And that's another thing. You know, he's in such a
1190
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.159
remote area and he doesn't have access to you know,
1191
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:52.319
a lot of this science fiction movies and TV and
1192
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:55.840
magazines and stuff like that, and he definitely wasn't researching
1193
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.279
this stuff, right right right.
1194
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:03.239
I Also there is a good detail that if you
1195
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:10.840
read the original reports from these researchers from Benalotuerto, his hometown,
1196
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.800
you will see that one the whole time he thought
1197
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:19.640
that he was seeing farm workers and instead of a
1198
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.560
UFO ship, he used the word tractor because he thought
1199
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:28.520
that he was seeing a tractor or a house of workers.
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01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:34.600
That's why he didn't feel that he wasn't afraid of
1201
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:38.840
what he was seeing, or that's the reason why he
1202
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:45.800
was so brave and cross this fall and entered the
1203
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:47.560
UFO ship.
1204
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:52.079
Well, that I guess should bring us to the event.
1205
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.880
Let's talk about what happened to one when he was
1206
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:56.720
twelve years old.
1207
01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:02.439
Well, it was sixe in the more morning of September sixth,
1208
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:06.520
nineteen seventy eight. One leaves his scouse to go in
1209
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:09.359
search of the herd of horses to begin the task
1210
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.159
of the field. And before going to school, what had
1211
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:18.720
strict tasks to do. His father was very severe with him.
1212
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:23.520
One writes his hort Comet and gallops a few meters
1213
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:29.199
until suddenly three lights in the sky began to dance
1214
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:34.119
like frenetically. His horse was scared. He did not want
1215
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:39.039
to move forward. So one returns home and told his father,
1216
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:42.520
like father, father, there is three lights in the sky.
1217
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:47.239
And his father ignored him completely and asked him to
1218
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:51.119
return and begin the dusk of the of the field.
1219
01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:55.800
One goes back to Comet and observes that a thick
1220
01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:01.760
fog was covering the whole field. So and without fear,
1221
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.279
he decides to cross it, but his horse was a
1222
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:08.760
little scared. It was difficult for one to make him
1223
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:13.920
move forward. When crossing the fog bank, one sees that
1224
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:18.800
a white circular object was landed on the ground. And
1225
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:23.680
as I said in the one in the original report,
1226
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.399
he thought that he was seeing like a tractor. He
1227
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:32.680
never said, he never said the word UFO, ship, spacecraft, nothing,
1228
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.680
And I want to hike like this because one throughout
1229
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.239
the experience he always thought that he was seeing something
1230
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:46.600
that was familiar, familiar to him. So what happened after
1231
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:50.840
was that a gate opens and at all beings looks
1232
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:56.119
out and invites him to go up. Another descends from
1233
01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:00.760
the ship. One shyly approaches with his cords get off.
1234
01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:05.279
He gets off a comment and ties the stirrups to
1235
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:05.880
the ladder.
1236
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:09.760
Now, what what did these beings look like?
1237
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:15.840
Well, the tall being was wearing something similar to an
1238
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:22.800
armor with a helmet it was the color was gray.
1239
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:26.960
And he also had like a big tube that was
1240
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:31.039
in the area of his mouth, a very big tube.
1241
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:37.159
One thought that it was something for breathing. And then
1242
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:42.119
when one enters this very his when he climbs up
1243
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:47.600
this ladder, he enters this space, this this ship, and
1244
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:50.880
he saw that it was a very strange thing for
1245
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.640
him because on his left arm he observes that there
1246
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:58.119
is a small being a meter and a bitter and
1247
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:03.199
a half tall. And this small being was cutting meat
1248
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:10.920
on a table, and instead of hands he had s
1249
01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:18.119
source and instead of foot he had wheels, so he
1250
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:24.479
was cutting meat. But this small being ignores the whole time.
1251
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:28.520
And on his right side he sees this tall being
1252
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:33.079
about three meters tall, and he was watching some monitors
1253
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:37.479
and making hand movements as if he were typing on
1254
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:41.520
a touch screen. A very important detail is that in
1255
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.960
front of one there was a transparent wall, something similar
1256
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:51.880
to an electromagnetic field, and White tries to cross the
1257
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:56.359
wall with his hands, but he can't. On the contrary,
1258
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.760
the small being moves from one place to another with
1259
01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:03.079
a problems. The thing is that this wall was like
1260
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:08.439
preventing one to go from one place to another two
1261
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.680
He wasn't able to cross it and go into the
1262
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.800
space of this this being. He was only able to
1263
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.960
see see what was happening, like he was in a
1264
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:23.520
zoop seeing some animals or some beings, but he wasn't
1265
01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:28.479
able to touch them, et cetera. So what happened after
1266
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:33.199
was that suddenly the gate begins to close, and One
1267
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:37.159
is scared because he's afraid that his father will challenge
1268
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:42.760
him for being entertained. And he quickly gets off the
1269
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:46.000
ship and see that his horse was injured because he
1270
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:50.159
hit the ladder. So the toll being appeared next to One,
1271
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:54.279
and One asks him for help. Suddenly the toll being
1272
01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:01.119
begins to squeeze One's arm and scratches him. Where I
1273
01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:06.319
need to stop here because two things happened. If we see,
1274
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.479
if we see the original reports, after this toll being
1275
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.640
started to squeeze his arm.
1276
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.600
And this toll being gave to one his.
1277
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:23.479
Globe, one of his gloves and as a gift, because
1278
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:27.039
the toll being told one that this is a gift
1279
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:31.079
in order to others to believe him that what he
1280
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:35.720
saw was real, that this experience, entire experience was real.
1281
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:39.880
But as you saw in the movie, this never happened
1282
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:44.840
because we had a lost memory in the middle of
1283
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:53.000
this this part. After that, one started to have this
1284
01:17:53.000 --> 01:18:00.880
this scratch he had, let's say, abition that it's related
1285
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.960
to one of the questions that one was asking to
1286
01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:09.680
distoll being, and it was why to me? Why are
1287
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:12.840
you doing this to me? Why? Why to me? And
1288
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.880
then one had a vision, let's say vision, because we
1289
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.840
don't know what happened to one. I don't want to
1290
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:22.880
say what he saw because it would be like spoiler,
1291
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:28.119
but it was something. What he saw was something very
1292
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:32.720
powerful for him, very emotional that we had to stop
1293
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:39.039
that regression. The regression lasts two hours and it then
1294
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:43.880
one broke down. It was something very powerful for all
1295
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.840
of us and then we had to stop it. But
1296
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:55.520
after that vision, the other event will will be like
1297
01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:01.039
the distal being gave into one, the given to one
1298
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:06.319
the globe and then one will go back to his house.
1299
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:14.520
But twenty twenty meters before pre or the arrival of one,
1300
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.840
three lights were going out of this spaceship and Will
1301
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:28.760
took the globe before one could enter his house. And well,
1302
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.680
what happened after is that one tried to explain what
1303
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:37.079
he saw with his family and started to have a
1304
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:40.520
little bit of mockery from everyone.
1305
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:47.800
Now, they also had a I guess a town conference
1306
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:50.640
where they were trying to get him to tell a
1307
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:54.399
story and he couldn't right right right.
1308
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:58.880
It was some years after it was, I think it
1309
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.439
was he had six years after he tried to explain
1310
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:07.319
for the very first time in the general audience, and
1311
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:11.680
he wasn't able to explain what he saw because it
1312
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:14.199
was really hard for him. He thought that no one
1313
01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:18.880
was going to believe him. So that's why he was
1314
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.800
trying trying to deal with the with himself, trying to
1315
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:27.239
break that barrier, and he was not able to.
1316
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.880
Now, one of the most compelling aspects for me was
1317
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:36.119
there were three other incidents around the same time an
1318
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.640
area that happened. Could you talk about those?
1319
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:41.039
Yeah?
1320
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:43.319
Though those.
1321
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:51.119
That thing was thanks to Jack to Jack Ballet, because
1322
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:55.359
while I was writing him, he told me that do
1323
01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:58.479
you know that there were three other cases in the
1324
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:02.039
same area in the same week, And I said no,
1325
01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:08.800
and then he gave me his original reports. And it
1326
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.399
took me a while to get those witnesses because of
1327
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:20.159
one of them was like he he was living pretty
1328
01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:25.239
so it was living like six hours away from his
1329
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:30.760
original hometown. The other one I saw. What happened was
1330
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:36.279
that these other cases I could record two cases. The
1331
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:40.159
other one was he was he passed away, so it
1332
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:46.119
was difficult. And one of the cases was Carlos Alyon.
1333
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:51.920
He was the carpenter of the home this town and
1334
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:54.880
he was twenty one but at that time, and what
1335
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.520
he saw was seven ships on his left on his
1336
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.840
right window because he was driving his car. He was
1337
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:08.039
returning home. He was in the root and in his
1338
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:12.840
right window he saw seven seven ships. Some of them
1339
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.680
were landed, the other one were still on the air,
1340
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:24.720
and his car engines stopped, so he was really frightened
1341
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:29.279
and then he ran away as the way he could.
1342
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:33.520
And the other case was Roberto. He was eighteen at
1343
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.520
that time and the same thing. He ran away immediately
1344
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:40.000
after he had the contact and as I said in
1345
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:44.479
the movie, One was the only one who who was
1346
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:48.199
not afraid of what he was seeing, and he also
1347
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:53.840
wanted to have a contact with that thing.
1348
01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:01.439
Now, you said after the incident he had had psychic
1349
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:07.159
abilities and he would have I guess premonitions in his dreams.
1350
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.239
Could you talk a little bit about that. What kind
1351
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.880
of dreams was he having afterwards?
1352
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:21.640
Where there were mainly dreams about accidents, about death, from
1353
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:29.800
his neighbors, from his family, and this aspect. The dreams
1354
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:34.880
aspect were the true nightmare for him, because I thought
1355
01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:41.279
that he was traumatized but by his by his the
1356
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:47.560
encounter that he had, But that wasn't true. The encounter
1357
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:52.359
was something important for him, for sure, but it wasn't traumatic.
1358
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:58.119
The traumatic part came after the encounter. This event, because
1359
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:04.439
One started to have these dreams that as his own words,
1360
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:08.720
he said that there were more real than our reality.
1361
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:12.359
He said, like if he got to sleep on his
1362
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:17.279
right arm, he will enter a real dream, more real
1363
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.199
than our reality. He said, Alan, Alan is more real
1364
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:24.840
than than this, is way much more real. And if
1365
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:28.640
he got to sleep on his left side, he will
1366
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:32.600
enter arm he will have like a normal dream. So
1367
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:38.239
while during the night he starts. He wanted to move
1368
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:43.920
quickly because he really doesn't want to have this kind
1369
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.000
of dream because it's really hard for him to deal
1370
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.680
with an accident and it's going to happen, and he
1371
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:59.800
sometimes he prevented some big accident, So it was he
1372
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:06.399
a hero at least to two episodes that he told me.
1373
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.760
But the rest of them was there were accidents that
1374
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:15.880
he wasn't able to prevent them. So that's the reason
1375
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.880
why he was living on a on a hell, because
1376
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:26.000
he was able to perceive or to see the future,
1377
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.640
the near future. Because these events, most of them happened
1378
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:36.079
three years every years, three days after or four days
1379
01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:41.640
after or a week, he was not able to stop
1380
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:43.159
from happening.
1381
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:46.359
I want to go back for a second. I almost
1382
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:50.199
forgot to ask you about the horse. Now the horse
1383
01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:54.600
was injured. How did the horse get injured? And am
1384
01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:56.840
I right in saying that the horse actually died after?
1385
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:01.920
Yeah, he died twenty four hours later, a day after
1386
01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:10.680
he died. And as one told me this, this horse
1387
01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:16.760
comet was kicking to the ladder, so he got insured,
1388
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:22.279
probably by kicking the ladder, and twenty four hours he died.
1389
01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:25.800
And there are there is also one detail that I
1390
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.680
forgot to mention that it's not in the movie that
1391
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:37.640
two days before the contact, two cows were mutilated in
1392
01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:43.119
his farms, and this is not There was a big
1393
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:48.199
wave of mutilated cows in Argentina, but this was in
1394
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:53.720
the nineties, but his case was in nineteen seventy eight.
1395
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:59.800
It was really rare that cows were mutilated on the
1396
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.359
phart arms, so it was very strange. And remember that
1397
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:09.560
one also saw small being cutting meat on a table
1398
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.800
on this kind of ship.
1399
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:18.640
Now, one also had a mark that was that's still
1400
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:20.279
on his arm from the incident.
1401
01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:27.159
Is that right, Yeah, on his on his right arm,
1402
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:32.880
this mark he stills heavy, but it's up now he's
1403
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:39.319
very small, but yeah, he had for all his life,
1404
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:42.840
he had this strange mark on his right arm.
1405
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:49.119
Uh, tell us how you got involved with Jack Valley
1406
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:54.800
with this film, And it's amazing the transformation you see
1407
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:58.479
after shock comes and meets with one again.
1408
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:06.319
Well, I think the appearance and the participation of doctor
1409
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.119
Jack Valet was a truly gift for me and for
1410
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:15.359
the movie. I wrote to him because I wanted to
1411
01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:20.880
interview him on San Francisco because he lived there. I
1412
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:24.319
know I knew by the time that he had a
1413
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:30.840
very low profile. He doesn't like to be present on
1414
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:37.119
shows or movies. And I also knew that he met
1415
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:41.800
one in nineteen eighty when One was fourteen years old,
1416
01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:47.159
and he also wrote in one of his books, Confrontations,
1417
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:52.760
there are some I think there were four pages about
1418
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:56.680
one first case. But I didn't know that he would
1419
01:28:56.720 --> 01:29:00.680
remember that case. So I wrote the letter telling telling
1420
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:04.039
him that I was doing this movie about one first case,
1421
01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:10.319
that one was not good. After the encounter, he lived
1422
01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:16.760
remotely in the farms, in different farms all over Argentina,
1423
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.760
that he was living a truly hell. He was asking
1424
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:26.159
himself why this happened to me. He also had premonition dreams,
1425
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:31.199
and my goal was to go to San Francisco. Asked,
1426
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:35.560
ask you some questions about one about what do you
1427
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:40.840
think about this phenomenon? And then I sent this letter
1428
01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.159
and one month after I got his response saying that
1429
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:49.119
he was truly sad knowing that one was not good,
1430
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.479
that he couldn't integrate his experience in a good way.
1431
01:29:55.840 --> 01:30:00.119
And after that he was telling me that I I
1432
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:04.199
can go to San Francisco, that he's willing to participate
1433
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:06.640
in the movie, and I say, yeah, I got it,
1434
01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:14.199
and then I kept reading and in the final part
1435
01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:20.079
of this email, he said something like, Alan, I don't
1436
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:24.520
want to interrupt your project nor bother you, but I
1437
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:28.279
have an idea. Tell me, what do you think. I'm
1438
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:32.199
willing to go to Argentina to stay with you, to
1439
01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:36.000
stay with your crew and to help one. We can
1440
01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:40.840
help one to heal or to get an hour to
1441
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.720
give answers. Gave answers to him try in order to
1442
01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:49.760
relieve from his pain. And I'm reading that it was
1443
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:54.560
like living on a dream because having Jaguar leeve for
1444
01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:59.680
a whole week, staying with us, it was a truly
1445
01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:05.720
given And another good detail that he he he did
1446
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:11.680
for for this movie and also for for for for One,
1447
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:17.119
was that since the begin since the since this letter
1448
01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:21.319
till the moment that he came to Argentina, he studied
1449
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:29.600
for six months Spanish because he he wanted to talk
1450
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:34.520
with one without intermediate That's the reason why he speaks
1451
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.840
a little bit of Spanish in the movie. But when
1452
01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:43.600
the cameras were off, we were able to see One
1453
01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:49.399
and Jack walking around talking to each other without intermediates,
1454
01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.119
so it was quite special.
1455
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:59.359
Yeah, you capture the the remoteness of the area so well,
1456
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:04.479
and it is just it seems like he would have
1457
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:08.600
sort of, you know, such a lonely existence with him,
1458
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:12.279
just him and his pets and his animals and no
1459
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.960
one to talk to about this, and you can you
1460
01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.439
can definitely tell the sadness in the beginning whenever your
1461
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:20.880
first start working with him.
1462
01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:28.600
Yeah, I try to portray his his his own soul,
1463
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:34.920
his loneliness, and also try to I tried to make
1464
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:39.199
a progression or a transformation during the film, because it's
1465
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:41.760
not the same point in the beginning of the movie.
1466
01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:45.079
At the end of the movie, you will see that
1467
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:51.720
one was started to feel to feel better with himself.
1468
01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:04.239
Now you also went to Paraguay to speak with Shamans
1469
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:08.359
about One's experience. Could you tell us a little bit
1470
01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:11.600
about that? And you also, you know, were able to
1471
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.119
show one a little bit about what you talked to
1472
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:14.720
them about.
1473
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:23.119
Well, one of the ininer questions that I had during
1474
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:29.640
this project was if there is a connection between the
1475
01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:37.000
lineage of these contact is and the UFO phenomenon. That
1476
01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:41.720
was one of my questions. And Juan as a Gaucho
1477
01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:49.199
as indigenous blood. So the Guarani tribe are one of
1478
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:54.600
the most important indigenous cultures in South America. So I
1479
01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:58.199
the first step that I took with this project was
1480
01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:01.680
that I went to the jungle. I went to Paraguay
1481
01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:07.319
and I met free Shamans, very very from a very
1482
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:11.359
close community, because they are not used to speak with
1483
01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:17.840
white men. And I went there because I wanted to
1484
01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:23.680
have their opinions about the UFO phenomenon, about the abduction phenomenon,
1485
01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:29.399
but also I wanted to have a message for one
1486
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:35.479
the first journey, I went by myself because it was
1487
01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:42.159
more like an investigation rather than a yeah shooting. But
1488
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.600
when I went there, I realized that I was in
1489
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:50.199
the middle of the shooting because they started to speak.
1490
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:53.319
They were very open with me. They told me that
1491
01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:57.920
they are willing to take to give me their secrets
1492
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:04.119
about the sacred because for them, the UFO phenomenon is
1493
01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:09.399
something sacred. It's linked to the to the divine world
1494
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:15.239
or or to the spiritual world. And one of the
1495
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:19.079
things that are that I learned from them is they
1496
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:25.720
don't separate the these phenomenons from their daily basis, from
1497
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:32.039
their daily life. For example, for the warning people, the
1498
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:38.279
dreams or the dream world is more real than when
1499
01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:44.000
we are wake up. Our reality is not so much
1500
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:48.960
important for them. The dream world it's like a second
1501
01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:52.159
life for them. And for example, if you have an
1502
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:55.239
illness or a question and you go to a shaman
1503
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:59.560
from this tribe, they will have an answer for you
1504
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:03.319
on the next morning, because he will dream about your
1505
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:07.159
questions or about your issue, and then he will give
1506
01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:10.920
you to give you an answer. And it was a
1507
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:16.399
great detail because in some way on what one had
1508
01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:22.199
was the what any gift of Claire boyance for the
1509
01:36:22.399 --> 01:36:28.000
any people. What one had, it was like a gift
1510
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:32.560
from them from the Warranty tribe. But one didn't know that.
1511
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.560
He didn't know that the any people had this kind
1512
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:45.000
of tool or gifts because the only person that was
1513
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:52.319
his guidance or his guide was his grandfather, and his
1514
01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:56.560
grandfather passed away when he was ten years old. And
1515
01:36:56.600 --> 01:37:00.239
then two years after he had this contact and the
1516
01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:06.199
answer that he had, this contract for grandfather Francisco. One
1517
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.600
of these ghamen was that one was trying to ask
1518
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:17.119
to seek for himself. He was searching, trying to get
1519
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:21.760
answers from the spiritual world because he wanted to know
1520
01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:29.720
where his grandfather where, why this happened to him? What
1521
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.119
is life? What is dead? He was seeking to himself,
1522
01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.600
and he got an answer from the spiritual war, as
1523
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:41.319
grandfather Francisco told me, But he wasn't able to decode
1524
01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:47.359
what he was seeing. But for forty years after now
1525
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:51.880
he was able to get all the pieces together and
1526
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:56.079
get conclusions about what he saw and why he had
1527
01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:57.560
that experience.
1528
01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:02.760
I found it interesting the way the elders were describing
1529
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:06.760
that these beings could sort of appear to whatever you
1530
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:10.720
needed to see them as, or you know, whatever they
1531
01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:14.720
chose to appear. Could you talk a little bit about that.
1532
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:21.800
Yeah, it's sometimes it was really hard to understand what
1533
01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:27.560
they were telling me because Indigenous people, and especially Shamans,
1534
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.560
they speak in a very unique way. They speak en
1535
01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:38.640
symbols in an abstract language, and we as Western we
1536
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:44.399
need we see everything in like we try to get
1537
01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:48.079
the information in a logical way, but they don't speak
1538
01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:52.079
in a logical way. They use another kind of frequency
1539
01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:57.279
or way to speak or transmit information. And especially these
1540
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:02.600
can information because it's linked to higher realm. One of
1541
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:11.680
these Shamans, Plutarko, said that these beings are linked to
1542
01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:16.920
our world, but they are in another kind of stage
1543
01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:22.880
or let's say dimension. They are very closed to our
1544
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.439
reality or to our world, but in a different frequency.
1545
01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:34.520
And sometimes people that are quite pure or innocent are
1546
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:41.079
able to see those those things or yeah, the supernatural
1547
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:47.359
world or this realm that is really close to our world.
1548
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:54.039
The other the other shaman, Sylvia, the wise woman. The
1549
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:57.680
other thing that she told me is that this phenomenon
1550
01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:06.840
has two face sees. The phenomenon can be linked to
1551
01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:12.560
the like let's say goodness or the good world, or
1552
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:17.000
to the evil evil side and the way they appear
1553
01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:21.279
it's quite similar. But you have to be able as
1554
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:24.560
a human being. You have to have you need the
1555
01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:30.239
tools in order to confront that phenomenon and ask them
1556
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:35.800
or demand them to show the real thing of what
1557
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:39.439
they are, what are they hiding? Because he was saying
1558
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:43.159
something like, for example, I have this cup, but behind
1559
01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:46.119
this cup, I have this spend. This is the real
1560
01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:49.720
shape of the phenomenon. But I will he will be
1561
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:53.000
like covered by this cup. And what she was telling
1562
01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:58.079
me that is that, for example, if she sees this phenomenon,
1563
01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:04.119
she will like sing because she has the tools that
1564
01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:08.439
she has. The singing is like a weapon. She will
1565
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:12.840
sing to this thing in order to reveal what is behind.
1566
01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:17.520
So after, immediately after, she will see this and she
1567
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:21.560
will know what this represents. So in a way, she
1568
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:26.039
was telling me that this phenomenon is something quite similar
1569
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:33.000
to a holograph. It was a holographic phenomenon that remembers
1570
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:36.520
me the plenty of books of doctor Jacques Ballett trying
1571
01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:42.119
to explain his theory about the multi dimensional or interdimensional
1572
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.840
aspect of this phenomenon.
1573
01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:50.800
The first time it seemed like in the movie one
1574
01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:53.319
had a glimmer of hope. Was when you were showing
1575
01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:58.159
him the video of the tribal people and he would
1576
01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:00.800
he just the look in his eye completely chain.
1577
01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:06.119
Yeah, that was yeah. I was really nervous on that
1578
01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:10.239
moment because it will be it. I knew that I
1579
01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:15.960
had this this footage on my hands, but I needed
1580
01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:19.399
to find the right moment and the right time to
1581
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:23.079
share with him, and I wanted to see what he
1582
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:27.800
will he will think. And when I was showing to
1583
01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.720
Juan that there is this, I was able to record
1584
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.840
that scene for for for the movie for the audience,
1585
01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:44.000
and one was like he was staring at this this
1586
01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:50.520
at my laptop and he was really froze. And I
1587
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:56.199
remember that the day before, the day before, sorry, the
1588
01:42:56.279 --> 01:43:00.520
day after, during the morning he told me like it was,
1589
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:05.119
he said like something like Alan, it was the first
1590
01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:08.399
time in my whole life that I was able to
1591
01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:14.319
dream without waking up terrified. Thank you, Thank you so
1592
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:19.159
much for sharing me this message. Now I know that
1593
01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:25.560
I'm not alone. And the other good aspect was that
1594
01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:31.680
when he was seeing to Plutarico, for example, he told
1595
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:38.840
me that Plutargo had the same face as his grandfather,
1596
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:44.439
so it was quite familiar for him.
1597
01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:49.720
You had briefly mentioned earlier. Doctor nest Orlanda came and
1598
01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:53.680
gave him a regression. Now is that something that helped
1599
01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:54.720
him along the way?
1600
01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:59.920
Yeah, totally. The first time that I spoke with doctor
1601
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:04.800
next over London and I and I asked him to
1602
01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:08.840
make this regression because I wanted to know if there
1603
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:16.159
was some lost memories during about his case about this encounter,
1604
01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:20.880
and he was not quite sure if this will help
1605
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:25.840
or not, but he was he wanted to give a shot.
1606
01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:32.600
And what happened was very very strange because this lots
1607
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:37.760
memory popped up. But it was quite strange because it
1608
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:43.039
was very emotional for one and I don't want to
1609
01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:46.199
to give so many details about what he saw. But
1610
01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:52.680
this technique was not hypnosis. I want to make this
1611
01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:58.560
clarification because it was more like a relaxation or a
1612
01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:03.359
meditation rather than a hypnosis. Because the hypnosis it's way
1613
01:45:03.479 --> 01:45:10.600
much deeper than the technique that doctor Nestor Verlanda lived
1614
01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:19.199
because the patient after the regression. With this technique, he
1615
01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:25.680
is able to remember the whole process. The one was
1616
01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:31.239
able to remember everything, and in the hypnosis technique it's
1617
01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:36.479
sometimes it's the patient is not able to remember. It's
1618
01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:40.840
only in real time and you have to record what
1619
01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:43.880
what the witness is seeing.
1620
01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:47.920
I have to imagine that was a big step in
1621
01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:53.359
his process of healing. HM. It was.
1622
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:58.520
I remember that when when he woke up, he was
1623
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:04.960
looking to everything in the room. He was feeling very
1624
01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:12.800
strange because he was asking to himself at the why
1625
01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:17.359
at the end of this this event, he saw what
1626
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:23.560
he saw and he told us Now I remember, I
1627
01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:30.840
remember because there were forty years of not knowing that
1628
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:35.479
this memory was actually true, so it was quite surprising
1629
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:41.239
for him. I'm also very healing because what he saw
1630
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:49.119
it is related on one of the questions that I
1631
01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:52.760
had and also one of the pains that one was
1632
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:57.720
actually having that my question was if there is a
1633
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:02.960
real connection between the after life and the UFO phenomenon.
1634
01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:09.720
And in some way we can say that this question
1635
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:17.000
is actually answered thanks to the experience that one had.
1636
01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:22.039
But for Juan, it was very special because he was
1637
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:28.600
able to know something about his his family.
1638
01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.560
Now, towards the end of the film, you actually took
1639
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:38.159
him to Paraguay to meet these elders and the Shamans.
1640
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:52.279
Right right, I'm sorry, my one of my LIFs turn off. Okay, Yes,
1641
01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:58.760
I took him to Paraguay because I wanted to reunite
1642
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:04.439
him to his the direct routes to his ancestors, the
1643
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:10.600
land of his ancestors, because all his warranty culture was
1644
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:15.920
cut off because of the of the mixed blood that
1645
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:20.000
he had. What happened with with with America, with the
1646
01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:25.560
Spanish conquerors, et cetera, et cetera, the indigenous Again, sorry,
1647
01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:29.560
I don't know what's happening. Well, this thing happened during
1648
01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:35.720
the regression. We had a very strange event that while
1649
01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:43.479
one was talking to these beings on the shooting room,
1650
01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:47.960
the lights that had batteries. They are not connected to
1651
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:53.680
the electricity started to to pop like to flick, and
1652
01:48:53.720 --> 01:48:58.880
the other the other strange event that happened was that
1653
01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:02.720
everyone that was in the room and the room next
1654
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:05.920
to us fall asleep. Everyone.
1655
01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:08.720
Oh that's amazing.
1656
01:49:09.560 --> 01:49:13.560
Yeah, that was true. And the only two that we
1657
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were not sleeping was doctor Nestro Erlanda and myself.
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Everyone just fell asleep at the same time.
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Yeah, at the same time.
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Yeah, that can't be just a coincidence, that's now.
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It was, yeah, it was. It was something that we
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all speak about because it was very very strange for
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us now and so sorry you were you were you
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told me that about Paraguay and finishing that. I asked
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one if he wanted to participate of one of the
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most important rituals in the Warni culture that it's called
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Mita Karai and Mita Karai is a ritual for people
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when they they are twelve because it's it's like a
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read of passage. When you are twelve, you are you
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are going to receive your inner name because for them,
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01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:21.640
you we all have two names, one exterior as Chris Allen,
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01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:27.560
one Jack, and one spirit one name and this spirit
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one name is your like your real name. And there,
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and thanks to that name, you are going to be
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able to know your mission on Earth or why you
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are here. So that's why I wanted to go with
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one in order to to one have this this experience.
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01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.840
Did he was he able to speak with them about
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his experiences and encounters.
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01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:04.479
Yes he was able, Yes he was. But the most
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important thing for one, I think that was more than this,
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that by that, more than sharing his experience, more important
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was to be with them too, to talk with them
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about nonsense and play with the with with the child,
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and walk walk by foot on on on the water
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on this ground, to touch the trees. While I was
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01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:42.399
seeing him, I was seeing like a child in a playground,
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01:51:43.199 --> 01:51:46.159
walking in the in the forest. It was very magical.
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It was one started to feel that he returned to
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his home.
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Now one went through an amazing transformation throughout the film,
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but you actually came away from it with something different
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01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:06.000
than you went into the film seeking. Isn't that right.
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01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:11.199
Totally? Because at the beginning of this project, I wanted
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to make a UFO documentary showing another theories, trying to show,
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for example, the theories of doctor Jacques Ballet and only
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take the case of one as an excuse to show
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these theories. But I had to change my point of
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view when I was seeing these broken men trying to
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01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:44.000
get answers about his experience, and then I realized that
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I had to help him, and the whole project changed
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completely and the only goal was to help one get
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01:52:55.399 --> 01:53:00.439
answers for him. That's why we got the health of
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Shaman's a psychiatry is a doctor Jack Ballet, So everyone
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who was involved on this ship the the our mission
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was to try to get answers to Juan, to help
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him too, to relieve him from from the pain that
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01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.359
he was was actually having.
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Now do you get the sense that his life is
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going to be very different now since he's had this experience, Yes.
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I can. I can guarantee you now that he Now
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01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:40.560
he's back with his family, for example, now he's living
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with his father, with his mother, with his some of
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his civilians. Now he's not afraid from these entities. He
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also is had he after the movie, he also had
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01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:06.640
some experience he with his family, especially with his mother.
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They both saw some lights in the sky. His mother
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also told him more than told. He confessed to one
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that she also had in her past a contact that
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he was. It was the first time that Juan was
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able to hear that his mother was also a contact tee,
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but it was it was very difficult to her to
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01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:48.199
share this experience with her own family. So this thing
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was really a gift for me because in some way
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01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:57.880
it answered my other question that if there is a
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connection between the lineage or the ancestry from these people
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01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:09.119
and the UFO phenomenon. But this thing, you will see
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that in order to get these kinds of conclusion or details,
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you need to follow up during a very long period
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01:55:22.720 --> 01:55:26.720
of time this witness So the story it doesn't end
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when the episode or this contact happened. It's just the
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beginning of this journey. So I hope that this movie
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can contribute in the UFO field in order to get
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another kind of approach to these witnesses, because as doctor
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Shaq Bellett told us, that we need there is so
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much to learn from them. We need to listen more
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and talk less in this is kind of cases.
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Yes, and it was a wonderful film. I enjoyed it
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very much, And it will be available October twenty second
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on all platforms. Is that right?
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It's that right, Chris. It will be available on iTunes, Samason,
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Google Bime on demand, and you can check more information
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on our official website. It is Witness of Anotherworld dot com.
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And I'm hoping that everyone could enjoy this content.
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Oh, I'm sure that will. It was a great film,
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and Alan, I want to thank you again for joining
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01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:44.119
us at this early hour and we'll talk to you
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01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:44.680
again soon.
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Thank you, Chrazy, it was a pleasure.
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You can now stream the Forbidden documentary A Cult Louisiana
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free on two b TV. Louisiana is a magical place
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and that.
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Was Cajun country.
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You know, the food's good, the ladies is fine.
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There's a fun and roll that the old folks says.
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They love you so much. Incredible occult and forgotten history.
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There's a lot to the ancient history era that we
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could be uncovering. Everybody is starting to like really equip
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pieces together.
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I've been writing books and doing research in the field
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of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties.
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The LSU campus mounds were redated, which is absolutely bizarre.
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This is all very very strange, and it's just been
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made more strange because all these old mounds are in Louisiana.
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The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds, finding seventeen
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large skeletons.
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They saw a very tall humanoid being.
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We just have a rich history of paranormal type stuff.
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New Orleans is considered to be the most haught in
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city in the country.
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The energy that's over the land, and that energy it
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seems to be stuck there.
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In twenty nineteen, I.
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Had an experience.
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It was all black, had long black hair on it,
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A tall creature that had a dog's head. Legendary things
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fiction become reality.
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I mean, it's fifteen. This dog man chased him through
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the woods.
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He only survived because of his dog saving his life.
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Y'all may kill me today, I said, but I prompted
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to this, I'm gonna kill at least two or three
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01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:00.520
young I said, over the pain.
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We study lawsuits.
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It was so close that he could see down the
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back of its throat.
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The vast swamps of Louisiana hold many secrets, from an
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incredibly old, forgotten history to mythical creatures.
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There are no answers, there's only more questions.
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The nature of this experience seems to always be just
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beyond the reach of our Science, Technology and Consciousness collective.
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There's layers upon layers upon layers.
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Does add such an element of mystery to this place?
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Why are we here?
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We're getting closer to the truth now.
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Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.
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I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.
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Dreams involve interactions with real entities.
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People are waking up paralyzed their sensing, or seeing something
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very evil in the room.
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I have experienced sleep paralysis, shadow people start to appear.
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I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
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alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
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about these things.
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A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
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our paranormal research, which they will have the ghost. Well
1807
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what if it's all of those things and none of
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those things, the entities, the intelligence that were just beyond
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02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:44.279
our understanding.
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There seems to be something a little extra that can
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take forms of anything.
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I can't believe what I've seen, but it continues on
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a daily basis.
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We're definitely not alone.
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UFOs UAPs portals opening up.
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I really thought supernatural stuff you kind of grow up
1817
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with that around here. You see a lot of strange things.
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I don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.
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I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.
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People they would say they were transform into bears, into wolves.
1821
02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:24.920
There's these bad things that occur, goals, UFOs and all
1822
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types of things coming from somewhere.
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Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to
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heavily influence the nature of these experiences.
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There is so much more that we just don't have
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time for in this busy, loud and noisy life that
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we lead.
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All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.
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There's so much more out there.
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We really are picking up such a small small percentage
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of the electromagnetic spectrum.
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