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He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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Happy Tuesday, everybody, Welcome to The Shan O'Connell Show. Glad
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to have you with us. We got a fun one
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lined up today. We've made a good effort. When I
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say we, I mean James has put in a nice
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little guest list today. Gordy Chiays is going to join us.
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Jonathan Tabernari for Sir Red and Blue, Sean Mooney, and
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Jeff Schwartz all on the show today. And that's not all.
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Also Matt Farrell, the CEO of US Figure Skating, what Yeah,
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we'll talk some Olympics, but also the US has a
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Championship Week coming to the Maverick Center March fourth through seventh,
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So we'll talk a little Olympic scandal. Maybe see if
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I can get some inflammatory remarks from him, Matt Ferrell.
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That is a jam packed guest list today. It's an
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interesting day in professional sports. Also, NFL franchise tag list
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has to be out today. Who are you going to
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franchise tag? Are you going to franchise tag anybody? There
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were some conversations about whether or not Devin Lloyd with
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the Jacksonville Jaguars could potentially be franchise tag. I actually
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wish he was franchise tag because it would be very
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lucrative for him. I know that players don't like it
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because it's a single year extension, but the rules are
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that you have to do well, you have to get
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paid more. Basically the way that you're the way that
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your salary is figured out, you get tagged and paid
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a one year tender based on the top ten salaries
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at your positioned and for linebackers, I'm actually amazed that
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this hasn't been addressed by the league, and maybe it
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will be in the next collective barging agreement. But that
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outside linebackers rush ends, edge defenders, pass rushers. Those outside
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linebackers are lumped into the same linebacker positionally, the same
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linebacker position group as like an off ball middle linebacker,
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as a Devin Lloyd, he's a second T ball pro
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this year had a great season, But the franchise tag
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for a linebacker is going to be about twenty eight
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million dollars because of all those pass rushers, and Jacksonville
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doesn't want to pay Devin Lloyd twenty eight million dollars.
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No off ball linebacker really makes that kind of money,
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or it's incredibly rare for off ball linebackers to make
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that kind of money in the NFL. So the bad
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news is he probably won't get twenty eight million. The
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good news is it looks like the team does want to,
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as an alternative, create a long term extension with Devin Lloyd,
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and even that is probably gonna bring him anywhere from
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eighteen to twenty two ish million dollars average annual value
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on a contract. And so we always love to see
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the locals get paid. In the NFL, franchise tag has
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to be put on a player or not by the
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end of our show today. That is the deadline. Two
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o'clock Mountain time, four o'clock Eastern today is the NFL
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franchise tag deadline. And Kenneth Walker, Seattle Seahawks running back
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was in the conversation to be franchised. It looks like
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that is not going to happen, which means he will
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come off a Super Bowl winning year air with unrestricted
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free agency and teams assessing how much they want to
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invest in somebody like Kenneth Walker. So as the NFL
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offseason continues, and there is no off season for the
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NFL because it is the most dominant of all of
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our sports here in the United States of America, you'll
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get a couple more of those storylines dropping into the show. Today.
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We'll get to a good conversation with Gorda Chiaysa, because
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they're always good conversations with Gorda Chiaysa, but we will
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we will talk more, probably about Kyante George today than
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I have all season long. Kyante George is right now
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by design, having to do it a little bit by
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himself for the Utah Jazz. And you saw, I mean
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almost in a comical sense. You saw him boxing out
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Joker last night, getting all the way back into the
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knees of arguably the best player in the league. Ended
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up getting pancakes because of it. But Heyonte George, in
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a spirited effort for the Utah Jazz, ended up with
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a really nice stat line last night, a pretty solid
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game against a team that is in championship contention, in
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a way that the Jazz hope that someday they will
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be again five your final score Kyante George thirty six
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points on twenty two shots, four or five from the stripe.
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And again, this is without lowry marketing. This is without Irk,
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this is without Walker Kestler, This is without a bunch
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of the guys that could make your job a lot easier.
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My question about Kyante George and I should have put
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this on a Twitter poll. I guess I did put
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one question out there related to another story we're going
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to get to today. The World Cup tickets that are
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at first selling like hotcakes and they're so sold out
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that you can't afford them, are now like, oh wait,
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people can't afford this, So the tickets are available because
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nobody can afford to pay for the dang tickets that
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the FIFA World Cup has released for the North American Games.
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If money is no object or just a fun hypothetical,
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if money's no object, travel, accommodation, all of it, you
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just don't have to worry about that. You get to
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attend one live sporting event and that is it. No more,
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You're done. What are you watching? A lot of people
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are gonna say World Cup Final.
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For me.
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If the San Francisco forty nine ers were going to
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be playing in a Super Bowl that I was incredibly
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confident that they would win, or in this hypothetical genie,
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in a lamp scenario, maybe I get a guarantee that
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the San Francisco forty nine ers I get to go
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be in person to watch them win a Super Bowl.
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I probably would put that on the top of my list.
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I think someday we're going to get a chance to
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see the Utah Mammoth and a Stanley Cup series. So
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I won't put that one there because that one's kind
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of realistic at realoc sports eight seven seven three five
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three zero seven hundred if you just want to have
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a little bit of fun with that. But back to
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Keyante George. He's twenty two years old, all right. He
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has worked his way into being a player. I mean,
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twenty four points a night in the NBA, six point
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four assists in the NBA. He's he's a top twenty
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five guard right now. From those scoring and assist totals, well,
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he's a top twenty five player. He's the top ten
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guard with those point totals. And he is a pleasant
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surprise that I think there were a small contingent of
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supporters at the very beginning of his jazz career, They're like,
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all right, this guy's really gonna be something, and the
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rest of us, it's kind of taken us the time
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to grow into our confidence that Kyante George is a
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part of the core, a definitive part of the Utah
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Jazz Corps moving forward. I'm trying to find his equivalent.
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I'm trying to find something to compare him to in
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Utah jazz history. Do we think that Keyonte George, at
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twenty two years of age is going to play himself
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into the same conversation that we put that we put
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Donovan Mitchell in before he left. It's been kind of
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Lowry Marketin's team, but it's been Lowry Marketing's bad team
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when it's a good team. Is it going to be
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Kiante George's good team? Are we gonna talk about them
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as a dynamic duo? Are we going to leave both
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of them out? Because Ace Bailey and aj Debonsa are
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the thing that really push you forward. Gordy's gonna help
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with this, but I'm having a hard time quantifying or
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finding a rough equivalent for Keyonte George. Darren Williams was
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a multiple time Perennial All Star. In the conversation for
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best in the league at his position, he was a
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much higher draft pick. He was an Olympian, he's a
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Gold medalist, He's a Perennial All Star. Over and over again.
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He was talked about as the best at that position
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in the league. The debate when Darren Williams was healthy
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was at him or Chris Paul. There is no debate
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to my awareness that involves Kyante George. And I don't
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mean that to be insulting to Kiante George. I just
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don't know that nationally there is an awareness and a
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conversation about him at all, and that that could be
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a good thing for the Utah Jazz right now, A
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little bit of a dark horse of him sneak up people.
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It won't last forever, but you know, like Donovan Mitchell
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got his own shoe pretty quickly after he started to
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emerge as a star. Kyante is twenty two. Do you
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know how old James Peterson, who's behind the glass to
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they do you know how old Donovan Mitchell was when
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he made his first All Star Game? He was twenty two, right,
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actually twenty three, twenty three. He was his third year.
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Took him three years to do it. Yeah, and you
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know Kyante, he was drafted in the first round in
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twenty twenty three. So I think the best possible equivalent
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for Kyante is a guy like Donovan And I'm talking
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about from the star caliber standpoint, not that they're the
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exact same type of player, but eight seven seven three
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five three zero seven hundred at Rio C Sports, if
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you want to participate on social media instead of on
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the text line, is there a jazz equivalent of Kyante
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George or what Keyante George has grown into? You're you're
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not putting him in Darren Williams category, yet, you're not
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putting him in Donovan Mitchell's category. Yet, maybe there's a maybe,
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there's somebody else that you kind of maybe he's your
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maybe he's your Brian Russell of this team. Different player,
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different team, different style, but a clear like number four
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really at his best on the team. If is that
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where you think Keyante's future is with this Utah Jazz team.
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I'm trying to figure out where he fits in. And
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it's a conversation that has happened all year long. But
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we saw last night when he's kind of leading the
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charge on an otherwise underwhelming and deliberately decimated roster against
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a really good team in the Denver Nuggets, and he
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gave you thirty six points in thirty minutes, staged a
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couple of rebounds four to nine from beyond the arc
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like that. If you take the name out of that
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and you put that stat line in for any top
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guard in the NBA against the Denver Nuggets, people are
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gonna be like, yeah, good, that's a solid game. A
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losing effort, ah, you know that stinks. Maybe turn the
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ball over a few too many times. Don't like to
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see that he had four of those, But he also
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had four steals, So he's a net neutral on that.
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Right.
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If you erase the name and the number and the
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team and you say, this player in the backcourt did
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this against the Denver Nuggets, it's anybody's guess. That's a
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hell of a game against the Denver Nuggets. And his
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averages this year, it's not just he goes, oh, look
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at me, I have one great game and then I'm
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going to disappear for a while when he's healthy. Kyante
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George is a player in today's NBA, but we are
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projecting the Utah Jazz out, not for this year, not
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even probably for next year. We're projecting them out for
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that twenty eight season. What are they gonna be and
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what is he going to be on that team? Because
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heading into this twenty twenty five twenty twenty six campaign,
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there was no definitive commitment that he would be part
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of whatever future the Jazz have envisioned at all. Now
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that debate is dead. It's Lowry for now, it's Keyante,
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it's Ace Bailey. We think it's Walker Kessler. This is
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the young core. But where in the young core does
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Keyante fit? He's not player number one? Is he two?
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Is he three? Is he four? Is he gonna be
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a surprise Donovan Mitchell where you're just like, oh wow,
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he actually is number one? That he actually is now
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heading into next year when he turns twenty three, he's
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now on that same pace. We didn't expect it from Donovan.
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We haven't expected it yet from Keyante. I need a
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more seasoned a weather eye and a better prognosticator of
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NBA success and growth and development to tell me what
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his true place is. And by the way, we did
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this already with Lowry Marketing when he was an all star. Well,
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where if you're a playoff team. Is Lowry Marketing a
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number one on a playoff team? Is he a number
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two on a playoff team? Is he a number three
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on a playoff team? All the other interested parties, the Spurs,
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the Warriors, all these other teams that were like, hey,
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we'd like we'd like to talk to you about Lowry Marketing.
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They weren't planning on bringing him in to be a one.
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I don't think they're bringing him into be a two.
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Most people are like, we did this with Lowry. Okay,
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that's in an ideal world. He's an awesome player. He's
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that fringe all star level guy, those fringe all star
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level guys. You don't want to be your best guy.
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You don't want to be your number one. You want
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those guys to be You're number two, you're number three,
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you have a superstar? Who's your number one? I mean
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the Spurs have this right now. Victor webbin Yama is
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the obvious number one, the driver of all things, but
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the Aaron Fox and Steph Castle, they have filled into
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those roles nicely, and suddenly the San Antonio Spurs are
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not just playoff team. They're not. They're like real contenders
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in the West, ahead of schedule. So I get it.
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It's an unfair question. We're a little bit ahead of
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our own selves here. It's gonna be heavily predicated on
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this Jazz draft lottery and what pick they get and
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the player that that pick becomes. I'm fairly certain where
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he's gonna end up, fairly certain where Kante is gonna
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end Yeah, he'll be the Mike Conley. He's the lead guard.
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He's he'll be your second or third leading scorer, maybe
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sometimes fourth leading scorer. If if Ace Bailey ends up
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being a ends up, ends up, you know, fulfilling his
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immense potential that we've seen. He had a nice game
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last night too, by the way, not quite as good
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as Punte George, but a nice game. So yeah, I
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think he'll be the He'll be the Mike Connolly. As
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far as comparing him back with the original comparison you
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tried to make was in the late nineties finals teams,
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He's more like the Jeff Horni Seck than the Brian Russell,
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just because he handles the ball a lot more. His
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role Horni Seck was not the lead guard obviously, but
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Stockton's your one of your he's one of your stars
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Hall of famers, So he's not Stockton, right, Yeah, I
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would say he's more of the Horn sect than than
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the Brian Russell that Jazz. That Jazz team didn't really
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have a fourth scoring option. The reason why, and it's
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not a great fit with that team trying to slot
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compare Keyonte to one of those guys on that team.
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It's because they didn't. They had two three guys that
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they actually ran plays for those where Stockton, Malone, Horn,
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a Sex and then everyone else just kind of got
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the scraps, right, Yeah, And Keyante is not a I
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get the scraps guy. He's the lead guard that that
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that starts plays, let alone, get gets plays run for him.
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So I okay, I don't think you're wrong, right, And
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now this begs a question that is bigger than basketball,
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bigger than the Utah Jazz. Right, So you're Keyonte, George
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or fill in whatever player you want to fill in. Right,
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you start to prove to your franchise, your teammates, your
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coaches that you are better than they thought you were,
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that you are good enough to be a primary scoring driver,
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at least on an NBA team now a bad NBA team,
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And I fully acknowledge that that changes when a team
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is good versus when a team is bad. Everybody, every
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team's got to have a leading scorer, right, Even the
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worst teams have a guy who's the best of the worst. Right.
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And I'm not trying to disparage Keyante's accomplishments here, but
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he has done he has developed himself, He's become a
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much better player. He has started to shoulder more of
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a scoring load from a sort of a natural standpoint
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in the beginning of the season when everyone was available,
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and now from a fourth standpoint because he's the only
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one available. But regardless of the reasons for that, you're
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an individual playing a team game. Certainly, you're an individual
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who's twenty two years old in the NBA and you're saying, man,
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I'm a top I could be a top twenty scorer
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in this league if you let me be a top
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twenty scorer in this league. And then, in an ideal scenario,
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your franchise, your team comes to you and says, but
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we don't want you to be that. That can be difficult,
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that can be problematic, and that is something that this
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front office and more importantly, this coaching staff and roster
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are going to have to manage if that is and
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I agree with you, I think it is, if that
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is the true vision for Keyante George. Yeah, and at
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the end of last season, I was thinking Keyante George
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is gonna be a long term six man in the NBA.
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He's he's a got that score in bunches type mentality.
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He's definitely aggressive as a score first type mentality. This
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year he's shown that, and one of the big flaws
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of his game is he's turned the ball over too
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much and he was not efficient enough as a shooter.
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This year, he's he's corrected those things big time. He's
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still not, you know, the guy you're going to rely
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on to be a perimeter stopper on defense, but he's
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shown a lot more or effort this year than he
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did in his first three years, which also is a
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reason why, Okay, this guy's graduated from probably a career
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six man at best to hey, he's the starting guard.
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He's a starting lead guard at least on this Jazz
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team even when they're gonna be good. So I think
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that that certainly bodes well as far as he maybe
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gets one or two All Star appearances in his career,
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maybe he exceeds that. Right now, I'm not ready to
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say he's gonna be this perennial All Star, but he's
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certainly shown a lot of strides and graduated to, hey,
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this guy can be a key player on a really
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good team. And again he's twenty two years old, so
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there is the potential for him to take a couple
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more leaps forward. Realistically, especially with those things that you're
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talking about, is you know, turnovers, defensive pressure, the the
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ability to stay in front of guys at whatever, and
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I get especially four point guards, points are not the
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be all end all right, It's become more of that.
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There's there's no like, there's not really any true I'm
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just gonna set other people up point guard in the
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league anymore as starters. So it has become more important
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for point guards like like Keante George to be able
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to score a ton. But it's still not that guy
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doesn't have to be your leading scorer at that position.
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If you're if you're Keyante George, it's gonna be ultimate
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test case of how culture and game plan and results
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from a team standpoint, are supposed to matter more if
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you're a professional athlete, and they usually find ways in
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the Jazz uniform, they usually find ways to get guys
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to accept the role that they're given. But Kiante George
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right now is the leading scorer for the Utah Jazz.
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He is a number. He's the seventeenth leading scorer in
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the NBA, And you're looking at that and you're going, well, yeah, like,
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if your best scorer is the seventeenth best in the league,
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that's not it's not great for you. Keant George right
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now scores more points a game than Victor Wembinyama does.
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He scores more per game than Lebron James does. He
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scores scores more points per game than Paulo ban Caro does.
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He's he's scoring more points a game than Zion Williamson
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and some guys that are like supposed to be the
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leads star that straw that stirs the drink. He's scoring
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more points than Cooper Flag. Obviously, Flag is a rookie.
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The names above him on the scoring list are all
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guys that you are, oh yeah, Luca Sga, Anthony Edwards,
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Tyree Smaxy, Jalen Brown, Joker, Donovan Mitchell, the aforementioned Kawhi,
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Leonard Jalen Brunton, Kevin Durant, Jamal Murray, KD. Cunningham, Devin Booker,
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James Harden, Michael Porter Jr. Abjah. Yeah, there's like two
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guys on there that you'd be surprised, and it's the
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last two that you named, Michael Porter Jr. And Dennyofti.
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As good as those guys are that you just you
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wouldn't be surprised, you would. You're a little bit surprised
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that they're at that kind of score this year is
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probably a surprise to everyone outside of this market that
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he's right there. All these other guys are all stars.
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And by the way, it's not just people outside of
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this market, like people in this market are like, wow,
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Keyante George is that kind of a score. And in
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an ideal world, if we're again we're looking into our
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Utah Jazz basketball shaped crystal ball, and we're saying, in
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a perfect world, though, that's not the role you're gonna
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fill on this team. In a perfect world, our leading
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scorer is Ace Bailey or Lowry, aj Debantsa or perhaps Lowry.
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In a perfect world, we want you to be the
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Jeff Horni sac of this team. And that is something
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that we don't have to talk about today, but we are.
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We're It's going to be an issue that the team
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has to address when they are healthy and they're gunning
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for it, because that is where the Kumbayas and the
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field goods and all that stuff starts to rattle and
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shake apart. The acceptance of roles, the communication, the team
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chemistry that Donovan Rudy had for a certain time and
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they didn't. All of that is affected by stuff like this, right,
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by availability, by lack of availability. And if you're Keyante
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George right now, he's he seems like just great teammate,
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great too, great player, great everything right, if he's in
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the locker room next year with Ace Lowry Walker's back,
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Whoever the first round pick ends up being knock on Wood,
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first round, first round pick number three overall? Whoever that is, right,
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Cam Boozer, whatever, Yeah, is he gonna say? Are they
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all gonna say? Not just him? But is he gonna say?
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All right, I had my foot on the gas pedal
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all last year and I prove to you how good
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I can be in this league? And now you're telling
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me to put a governor chip back on. That could
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be an issue. Yeah, And by the way, I'm using
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him as the example because of the spectacular game he
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had last night and ultimately what you wanted, a losing
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effort against a really good team. It was awesome to
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watch though. He's fun to watch. He's a guy that
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you can start seeing more jerseys be sold. He's a guy,
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like you said, who could make a couple of All
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Star appearances. But the plan for him is not to
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be that dude, not to be the driving force for
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this franchise. Is he gonna accept it? And the same
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question you have to ask it for every Utah football player,
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every BYU football player, everyone on this Utah Manoth hockey team.
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Although with hockey because everyone gets minutes, Yeah, it's a
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lot more evenly spread. It's just the nature of the
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game is just that like, all right, well, you're you're
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gonna skate, skate as hard as you can for ninety seconds.
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You're gonna come off the ice, You're gonna go sixty
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to ninety seconds at a time. It was amazing. You're
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gonna do it the same way everyone else does it.
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If you want to move up to the top line. Great,
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that's wonderful for me. It's amazing to hear guys like
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Eddie Olchik, who is on the Olympic Hockey broadcasts, and
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some of the other great color analysts around the league,
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nationally and locally. It's amazing to hear them say, after
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like two minutes of ice time, they haven't been able
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to make it. They haven't been able to make a change,
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a line change. It's amazing for them to say, uh,
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those guys are tired. They've been out for two minutes.
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This is a long shift for them. Like it's it's
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a whole different am in the hockey and it really isn't.
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Anyone who was a high school wrestler. You go two
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minutes at a time in high school wrestling. You know
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exactly how exhausted you can get in two minutes. And
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by the way, that's even after training specifically for that
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exact level of exertion, the exact things that you're asking
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your body to do. It's just it's atp production. All
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of you who took human bio back in high school,
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you remember this, right. Your body is able to generate
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like a highly efficient body is able to to generate
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explosive energy for like thirty seconds at a time before
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it needs a little bit of a reset. You need
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to be able to take a couple deep breaths. You
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need to be able to let that muscle rest, you know. Yeah,
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the mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell. We all go
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back to high school, We remember these things. The powerhouse
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of the cell. Of course, yes, we all know what
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the mitochondria is, shout out Bill Nye. But yeah, it's
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an interesting conversation and it's not something we're gonna know
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until starting next season, hopefully everyone's healthy and for the
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season that they finally are actually trying to win, right. Yeah.
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But the other the other thought I have about the
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future of the Jazz is trading using your your huge
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amount of cap space to trade for Jaron Jackson junior
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this season and he's under contract for the next three
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or four years right at a big number. What that
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tells you is that once again, this is going to
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be an ensemble effort for the Utah Jazz. As far
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as it's not gonna be. They're not gonna have a
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top ten player that they're gonna lean on like some
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like we see with the Lakers and the Celtics and
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the Heat and these other these other places, even the
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Bucks with Giannis in recent years. This is going to
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be two thousand and four Pistons if the Jazz are
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going to if the Jazz are going to be able
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to truly chack title in the next however big this
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window will be. It's going to be that ensemble Chauncey
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Billups' or Rip Hamilton our leading scorers at like twenty
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points a game, and everyone else just kind of chips
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in another fifteen to twenty themselves. And defense is when
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you have those, When you have that kind of a team,
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defense has to be near the top of the league.
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That's why Jaron Jackson he brought him in. That's another
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reason why Jaron Jackson Junior fits in well with this.
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But if they had and this is pie in the
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sky would not have happened. But if they had been
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able to trade for Giannis instead, you're talking about a
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whole different type of way that that you can try
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to construct the championship team. Trading for Jaron Jackson Junior
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tells you this is going to be some of the
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parts is greater than or the whole is greater than
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some of its parts, kind of ensemble effort for the jazz.
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And we've, like I said, teams have championship teams have
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been made that way before. It's just not as often
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as the Star Driven Live. I think I know this,
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But what I think I know is that you don't
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walk in when you know you're having your first practice,
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your first shoot around of the season, and you don't go,
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all right, guys, here's the plan. Okay, Walker, You're gonna
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give us like six points a game and fifteen rebounds
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a game and like seven blocks. I need at least
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five blocks a game out of you. Okay, I was
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gonna say seven, but Jared Jackson juniors here now, and
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he's he's more of a defensive Stopwen got two of
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you like ten blocks each, So uh, Tray j I
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need I know you're like a nineteen points a game.
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I need sixteen out of you, right, And everyone else
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is sitting around the room. They're like, okay, Walker only
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has to do sex. He's gotta do sixteen. And then
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you're like Lowry. Lowry's just like yes, here to me,
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Lowry twenty four. It's like what I thought it was
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gonna be more than that I'd be like thirty five. Uh, Kyante,
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I know you gave us twenty four last year. You're
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back down to nineteen. He's like, what what do you mean?
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Ace twenty four from you? Okay, guys ready to break,
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Like like you said, ensemble cast, it's got to be.
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It's gotta be an interesting conversation with your agent, with
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your teammates, with your coaches, especially when the expectation for
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young players is I want your development. I want your
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growth to just I want your statistical evidence of that
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growth to be up into the right. Except what turnovers?
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I need that down into the right. Okay, everything else.
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More assist per game, more steals per game, more blocks
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per game, more rebounds, higher field goal percentage. I need
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all of it to be a linear progression. And Kyante
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is just like, who finally I did that twenty five,
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twenty six, and like, I need a plateau from you. Kyante,
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you need to pick your spots a little bit more
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because we're gonna win. And that again, if you're Keyante
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and anyone else in this role, you go all right,
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wait a second, he said, of being the best scorer
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on a bad team, I get to be a scorer
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on a good team, I'd rather be that or maybe
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that's the probably, I think that's the I think that's
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how most of these guys are wired, right, and Will
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Hardy has gotten these guys to buy in from an
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individual efforts standpoint, every every team he's had in these
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last four years, he's gotten that buy in even though
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they've been not trying to win, right, So you got
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to feel good. If you've been paying attention, you've noticed
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that you need more of it on the defensive end
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for sure, and like we said, hopefully a healthy walker
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and bring in Jaron Jackson junior should should help a
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ton on that end. But if you've been paying attention,
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you've seen that level of buy in when they've not
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been trying to win. So it gives you a lot
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of hope that once starting next year, hopefully the health,
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like I said, plays its part in that all your
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main guys are healthy and the first year you're trying
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to win, you're going to get you're going to still
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get that buy in and you actually have the talent
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to make where it has a huge difference in the record.
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All Right, we're over due. We got to take a break.
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Before we take a break, a reminder that the show's
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South Maine, Big Williams. Gordy Chier's the next on the
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Shan O'Connell Show. It's ESPN seven hundred ninety twofm He's out.
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Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
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Stay for his list of the day A list today.
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Here's oc with.
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Basketball sabon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell shown.
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Ahead.
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Welcome into the Sean O'Connell Show once again, Welcome our
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resident NBA guru, mister Gordy CHIASA. Hey, Gordy, how are you?
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Thiks showing I'm doing well? Thank you.
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Utah Jazz last night hard fought battle against the Nuggets,
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but ultimately a loss, which I think is what everyone
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kind of hopes for, especially against the good teams in
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the NBA, and I wanted to We started the show
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today talking about Kyante George specifically. He had another really
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nice game and he's had a lot of those this year,
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and we were talking about, you know, like the place
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that he really fits in on a playoff team and
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the Jazz hope to be that starting next year. Right now,
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he's kind of on his own because of all the
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other injuries that have piled up, and even in that sense,
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he almost willed this team to a victory last night
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against a really good Nugget squads. So Kiante's growth this
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year something we have talked about. But what does Kiante's
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future look like?
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Coin He's a starting guard and he's a sewan. He's
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a combination point guard, scoring guard, and he can make shots,
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and he's fearless, and so he's just definitely a winning
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starting point guard. And as they go forward, the Jazz
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and the next three to five years is knocking on
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being an All Star. So he's very good. And the
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maturity in dex has increased tremendously. This is third season
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the NBA. Usually speaking, the game slows down after the
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first two seasons where you really realize how how you
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have to play to win, and he's understanding that right now.
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So he's been spectacular the whole year and I'm glad
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for him as a young player. And the Jazz future
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is absolutely bright. So exact Black last night, he was
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absolutely brilliant, thirty six points, including fourteen for twenty two
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from the field. But it's when he got them and
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how he got them, And you mentioned the point about
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it is that he willed his team to almost the victory.
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His shooting last night was pitch perfect. When he shot them,
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how he shot them, and muscle why he shot them.
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So you're debating in the first segment, a guy like him,
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if you in an ideal world, you slot him in
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to the role of top scorer on the team, secondary
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scorer because you're wanting him to be more of a facilitator.
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Do you relegate him more to that third or fourth
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spot in the again this imaginary perfect world that the
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Jazz have not ever existed in but hopefully will sooner
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than later. Deontay George Phil's what scoring role?
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Third option? Okay, yeah, which is good. Third option has
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averaging twenty something a game and will say seven dimes
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and hopefully one point six steals, which is absolutely critical
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when you're guarding the MBA, be able to walk, intent
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and steal. And so Ace Belly got a whole bunch
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of talent. Could be that second guy and the first
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guy again, it could be Larry Marketing, who again, he
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just hasn't played such a long time. Still a lot
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of times it's out of sight, out of mind. And
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whoever the Jazz draft this year, that guy, whether it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
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where the lot of regards allowed the Jazz to draft,
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come this tune, that guy will also be a major
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high level talent. So the question is always a show,
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just like in the NFL, when there's a talent that
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a player has meets, what the skill set meets, what
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the mental part of it to be able to play
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at a high level, and everyone matures differently. Was seeing
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right in front of us count De George under mature
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and index is now increasing dramatically. So he's really done
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a great job for himself and the Jazz coaching steps
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recommended where they've done with him as far as slowing
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their game down for him.
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On the other side of things, you have a Denver
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Nuggets team that obviously they've got maybe the best player
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in the league, one of the three best players in
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the league. They've got nice secondary pieces. The bench last
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night at least was not bad. When you look at
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this Nuggets team, how close to real contention are.
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They very They're close. You know, left night's game, the
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Jazz out fought them, and to their credit, so it's
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more the Jazz played a If the Jas play like that,
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you're generally speaking, they would have had six to eight
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more victories this year. They were ferocious on defense. The
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Jazz led by Elijah Harkless. Now the Nuggets point of view,
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the Nuggets cooperated with them minus Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray
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last night Sean was really he was He wasn't human
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last night. He was playing in a twilight zone. So
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Jamal was not human last night forty five points, eight assists,
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two steals. They're right there as far as contending to
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be NBA champs. Let's not forget they're playing. They're playing
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last night with with with that with injury, with injuries
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as far as who they didn't have, and that was
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a factor as far as on their depth right now.
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So you put in there, you put in there Iron
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Gordon in the lineup, Peyton Watson and Cam Johnson and
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along with Tim Hardaway and Bruce Brown, they're really absolutely
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in Unis Vlachionis they have enough bench to go. So
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that's a lot of changes with injuries right now, but
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the Nuggets right ruggets with those three guys being out
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last night, they're right there as far as being contenders.
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Gordia Jays is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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brought to you by our friends over at a Laddin Industries,
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your Utah v. Lux Steeler. As the Jazz continue this
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delicate balance and you see a game like the one
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we saw out of Keyanta George where he's doing a
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lot of the heavy lifting by himself. What about the
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role players, because the role players have to. As the
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injuries pile up and the shutdowns pile up, the role
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players have to shift and they have to change. And
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you saw something good from Spheed last night coming off
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the bench. Kyle Philapowski with nineteen points was relatively efficient.
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As you see these guys improving their game. Who's standing out.
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To you.
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Isaiah Callier. He's the guy also that he when he's
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in the game, only good things happen. And so the
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Jets have a nice interesting dilemma where jan Da George
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is quote a guard, so if he's not a point guard,
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he's not a two guard, he's a guard and that's
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a compliment. And Isaiah Kllier is a guard and he's
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more of a power guarden in a good way where
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he bully scores in the lane, but he's past happy.
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And then Elijah Harkless, who's this guy in a two
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way contract that is absolutely a junkyard dog on defense.
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He takes guarding people in a very serious state of
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mind and he can play in the NBA. And so
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all those two guys stand out. Isaiah Khalia and what
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they're gonna do with uh with with Hawkless and then
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Censor Bar is a knockdown shooter. So I like the
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Jezz bench. I like they're all contributed. So Sean last
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night's game, for example, the Jazz bench of right senseerball
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Oscar sheet Way also in a two way contract, Steve Mahaid,
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Luke John conc Conchart and as they Collier, they scored
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forty seven points and twelve assists and out play badly
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the understudies of the Nuggets, and that's why the Jets
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were able to compete. So some of those guys will
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be gone, some will be on the team where we
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don't know how it all plays out. It makes it
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so interesting. So the Jazz have a really some good
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decision making this offseason as far as who they take,
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who they move on, who they try to trade for
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as different pieces too.
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After a three game home stayd the Jazz go back
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out on the road, it'll be the seventy six ers. First.
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How do they match up against Philly?
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Good?
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Absolutely good? But Philadelphia, you know, to their credit they
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have a trender's back court. So let's not forget terse
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Maxie leads the NBA in most minutes played this season,
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so he's number one in the NBA minutes on the
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court thirty eight point five minutes and the rookie j
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Edgecombe who was the third pick of the draft, show
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you and I tell her in Less you very much
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before the draft and Bill University he's sits in the
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NBA and minutes played. So their backcourt is absolutely heavy
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lifting and those guys have played tremendous for them. So
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if you talk about heartless and a Collier and Decante George,
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this road trip to the City of Brotherly Love, which
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is where the Jazz played them tomorrow night in Philadelphia
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is going to be challenging for them. So it's going
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to be a good matchup the sixties point of view
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they had. You know, again, it's always what about Joel
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on Beef. He's like the he's the elephant in the
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back room where he's hurt right now with the right
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of bleached strain. He said, he's out who's playing against
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the Jazz and also poor again out of sights, out
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of mind. He has that suspension of twenty five game
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for violating the NBA anti drug program where he forfeited
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shown eleven point seventy four point two million dollars for
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twenty five games. He's suspended. He won't play against the Jazz.
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So the Sixers right now, they're overachieving, to their credit
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to the sixth seed in the NBA at thirty three
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and twenty seven. They're going to try to catch the
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upstart Raptors who are also overachieving, and they're going to
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try to hold off the Magic and the Heat who
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are going to try to chase them. So it should
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be interested. It should be a good game for the
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Jazz as far as them seeing they can build on
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the intensity level of last night.
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What's your list today, Gordy?
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All right, My list today is right on point about scoring.
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Yeah.
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Scoring, Hey, even though defense rules, you've got to be
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able to score the ball. So these guys have a
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career part of scoring the ball. My list today is
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most career NBA games of scoring twenty plus points in
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a regular season contest, so the most ever Korea twenty
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point games. It's the quick attributes. One, you need one
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signature scoring go to move like for example, range jumper, skyhook, velocity,
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twist layer two, consistently scoring through physicality. The better scorer
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you are showing, the more they're going to try to
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stop you with being physical. Three, you have to be
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an accurate foul shooting touch, you get the bumping, you
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get Thouves all the time you go to the foul line,
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you go zero for two for a crew. Wise, that's awful.
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Four.
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You have to be a shot creator and the finisher
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out of chaos. The better scorer you are, the less
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rhythm the defense allows you to have. So I clear
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up the score out of chaos. And the last thing
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is that we have a long career in the NBA
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or in the SOO. In Major League baseball, you have
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to have mind, body durability, the ability mentally to score
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the ball under pressure, and that quotes physical and also mentally.
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Here we go. I kept it, only only kept it
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Torelli only twelve guys, twelfth all time. Dominique Wilkins seven
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hundred and fifty six twenty point plus games, Number eleven.
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Will Chamberlain did it seven seventy one, but Sean only
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in fourteen seasons. Number ten he plays right now for
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the Cavaliers. James Harden done it seven and seventy four times,
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Number nine all time. Camelo Anthony, he's done it seven
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and ninety six times. Number eight, Shachill O'Neill eight twenty
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six twenty point games and plus number seven. Dirk Nowitzki
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with that step back jump shot. He did it eight
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hundred and sixty one times. Number six. Michael Jordan in
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fifth in fifteen seasons did it nine hundred and twenty
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six times. Number five. The late great Kobe Bryant did
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it nine hundred and forty one times. Number four. He
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plays for the He plays Houston Rockets right now as
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we speak. He got twenty last night plus in the
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last night's game against the Wizards. Kevin Durant has done
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it one thousand and seven times. Number three. Kareem Abdul
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Jabbar scored twenty or more points in a game one thousand,
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one hundred and twenty two times. Number two. I had
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the privileged coach this guy in many of these games.
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Carl Malone is second all time in the most ever
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twenty plus point games with one thousand, one hundred and
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thirty four and the number one scorer and the most
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ever twenty point plus games is Lebron James and counting
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of the Lakers with one thousand, three hundred and fourteen
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times he did it, Which shows your old the attributes
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that all these guys in this list have quickly what
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if out present Jazz roster Larry Markinen has done it
789
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in his career two hundred and seventeen times as far
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as twenty point games and Chante George. We get the
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feeling that he's gonna keep scoring in that list someday
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and hopefully has a long, long long Korea, he'll be
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there some day as far as in this list. Thus
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showing that's my list up today.
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Gordney, it's always a great pleasure. Thanks for your time again.
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Thanks Sean, peace out, stay well.
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Gordy Chie is a resident NBA guru, will have him
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in the studio. Were we do that tomorrow? Because there's
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a Utah women's basketball game on Thursday? Is that right, James,
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I think that's right. That's right, that's right. And it's
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a big Utah Ones basketball game. Of course because it's
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big because it's big tal tournament, but also because it's
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probably a rivalry game and the revenge game for Gavin
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Peterson's crew this year. They're on win to two against
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BYU so far. That's a good team down there. They
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get a third shot at it with all the marbles
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for all the marbles, third time to charm. Yeah, I
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like that. You said it's for all the marbles. It's
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for some marbles. Well as far as each of those
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teams n Cway Tournament hopes, it is for all those
811
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for all the marbles. Yeah, it's not. It's not a
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national championship, a big twelve championships, not, it's not those
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particular marbles. But it is for marbles, for the ones
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that set it, for the most attainable marbles. That's what's
815
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on the line here. All right, we're gonna start coining
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that on this show. Specific We're just gonna be like
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they're playing for the marbles. This one's for all some marbles.
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If they say all some marbles, Yeah, not all of
819
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the marbles. It's for some marbles though. All Right, I
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gotta take a break here. Hot lunch coming next, once
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again provided you by Burger Fusion in Trolley Square. Cannot wait.
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Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety twom.
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You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two to
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one a half.
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Am Me wish I was a better food photographer.
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For me.
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Some people can take a picture, even with their phone.
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They could take a picture of their meal and it
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really conveys how delicious that meal or that snack or
831
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whatever looks. I mean. I follow a bunch of accounts
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on Instagram that are just food accounts. It's just like,
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look how delicious this is? You want to try this?
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Every time I try and do it, I fail. The
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lighting is bad, the food looks unappealing, not just like neutral.
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It looks bad way I take pictures. I need to
837
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be a better food photographer because the burgers at Burger
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Fusion truly are excellent. They also look really good. I
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can't really capture that. The burger of the week today
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is the roasted garlic parmesan burger. Now I'm told it
841
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will not be available after this week, So you need
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to get down to Trolley Square. You're looking right at
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the Whole Foods. Just slightly to your left is where
844
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you're gonna find Burger Fusion roasted garlic parmesan burger. I
845
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told Mike, I don't have any poll yet. I told Mike,
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you need to put this on the menu permanently. It's
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kind of steakhouse inspired. I think a lot of That's
848
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a good way to describe a lot of the flavor
849
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profiles of these burgers. It's stuff that you're usually not getting.
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You're not getting those flavor combinations with burgers. You're usually
851
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getting flavor combinations like these with fine dining. But the
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roasted garlic parmesan burger as the chuck and wag you
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patty obviously roasted garlic cloves mixed with parmesan cheebs, some
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fresh herbs, caramelized onions, the crispy slow and they finish
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it with a mild red wine mustard sauce, slight kick
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of horseradish, just a little bit of tang, all right,
857
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a little bit of depth to the flavor. And they
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handmake all their buns. They toast the buns, and the
859
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buns that are left over, they use those to make
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the bread pudding. So it is just a chain of
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00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:44.000
deliciousness all the way down at Burger Fusion, full transparency.
862
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My mouth is watering. The burger's not even here yet,
863
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it's on its way to the studio, but this is
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the hot lunch. My mouth is watering just thinking about
865
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this burger because I had it last week and Mike
866
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just kind of casually dropped it in. It's when he
867
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brought the Burger Challenge burger. So we had this three
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and a half pound patty sitting in front of me
869
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and then he's like, oh, don't forget to try this one.
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This is the burger of the week. It's this garlic
871
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and it stole the show. Incredible, and it's the burger
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of the week that allegedly potentially not available after this week.
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So get down to Trolley Square try Burger Fusion. Telemosi
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sent you and I definitely recommend. As good as it
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is to go, and we're not that far from Charlie Square,
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so it's still fairly fresh once it comes to us.
877
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But as good as this stuff is to go, it's
878
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that much better fresh having having gone in there last week.
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It like the the Havardi pickle spears that we had.
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By the time they got to us, the cheese was
881
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:55.719
had cooled. Still very good, yeah, but eating those fresh
882
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.599
that it was like melting it like burst out of
883
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:03.840
the out of the exterior, like fried exterior with each bite,
884
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which just adds just that much extra to the enjoyment
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to the enjoyment there, So it's even better fresh plus
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a really nice set up in their full bar. I
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found out, so those they were asking, hey, they got
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booze at Burger Fusion. They absolutely do so little of
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everything there at Burgerfusion. And I'm taking my mom there
890
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on Thursday. My mom's coming into town. And you know,
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she lived here for twenty years, so tried pretty much
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everything that's kind of on her flavor palette. But Berger
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Fusion wasn't around back then. So my mom's coming in.
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I'm gonna take it to Burger Fusion, make her try
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one of these delicious gourmet burgers before we take a
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break and we come back with Jonathan Tabernari and I'm
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gonna ask him about this as well. You have seen
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the glass floor playing surface that we're using for the
899
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Big twelve basketball tournament, right you saw it on social media? Yeah,
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I saw the uh the stual like graphic images. It's
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on the floor. It looks nice. It like they've laid
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it down. It's set up. They're i mean starting tomorrow
903
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for women's women's basketball tournament starts tomorrow, so yeah, they're
904
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ready to go. They're testing it out and it is
905
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it is wild to see they can just click a
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button and suddenly it's the Arizona State Sun Devil's floor.
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Click it again, Kansas State, click it again, running utes.
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It's an LED floor. It is a television screen that
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you play basketball on. Are we in or out on this?
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Now that the images are out there, now that the
911
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you've seen it, they used it a couple of years
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ago at NBA All Star Weekend? Are we in er
913
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.760
out on this? I want you to tell me that
914
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before the tournament starts, before you hear what, players, do
915
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.679
you think this is an idea that is going to work?
916
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You got it? You got the rest of the day
917
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today and like till like ten am tomorrow to give
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us your opinion before the game start. James, what what
919
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.960
do you think? Is this something that I think it's
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00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:04.360
cool for a special occasion. I don't know if we
921
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will ever see it as like an everyday NBA thing.
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I think players are gonna be somewhat resistant to that.
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I have made a prediction that in the Big Twelve tournament,
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players are gonna be asked about it. Everyone's gonna be
925
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.800
cool with it. Kansas is gonna be the sticks in
926
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the mud about it. That's my prediction, because they're so
927
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steeped in tradition there, so there's so much everything's below us.
928
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We're so much better than everybody else. Why would we
929
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need to do these changes in basketball? We invented basketball
930
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in the Lawrence, Kansas. This is what we do. So
931
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I think they're gonna poop poo it, and I think
932
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everyone else is gonna be like, hey, this is actually
933
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.599
kind of cool, act kind of cool. I I was.
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I was. I was a cynic at the beginning because
935
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of how Bret your Mark framed like this reveal this
936
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thing we're gonna do is gonna be the most innovative
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thing anyone's ever done in basketball, And then it's like, yeah,
938
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this is this is an innovative thing, but it was not.
939
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I don't know that it lives up to that, to
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that billing. But take setting that aside, which I've done,
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and now that I've actually seen some of the images
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that they put out on social media, I think it's
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I'm into it for conference tournament, for a preseason they
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call them mtes multi team event tournament type things. I'm like, absolutely,
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especially if you're not having it at a storied place
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00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:34.719
like Madison Square Garden, Like make your your relatively lesser
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00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:39.360
venue a lot cooler by putting something like this down. Absolutely,
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00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.239
we have now seen in college football. We have seen
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purple turf installed, We've seen red turf installed. Boise State
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00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.039
obviously has their iconic smurf turf the blue there. I
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00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.159
saw a high school that has a black turf, which
952
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.840
is awesome looking but probably incredibly hot in the sun.
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00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.840
Is this the new wave of playing surface technology that
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I think it can be? You know what else? James?
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00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.719
The next application for this? Ryan Smith? I know you
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00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.320
listen to the show every single day. You put this
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00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:17.159
under the ice right now. I don't know if there's
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00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.599
technology that allows for that. You put this under ice
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00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:26.199
and you've got a graphic floor projecting up through the ice.
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00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.440
I know they can do the laser shows down from
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the top, but you can't do that while gameplay is happening,
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00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.239
because you can't be projecting lasers and having skaters skate
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00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:43.000
through them. Do this under some ice that would look sick.
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You're just trying to get your friend from PAC twelve
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00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.559
today some more money, is what you're doing? O friend
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00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.960
from the PFL and the PFL excuse me? And I
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00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.719
texted him about this because you know, it's about to
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be rolled out. Let's just say he is going to
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be very very well. He already is very happy that
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00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.280
he came up with this idea. This is working out
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very nicely for him, and I'm super happy to hear it.
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00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.119
That's awesome. You might think, Ah, you know what, all
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00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.159
the innovations, all the crazy changes in sports have already happened.
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00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.440
There's no money left to be made. You're wrong. First
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00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.280
time it's being rolled out. The dude whose idea was
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00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.920
one of the patents in the United States, that's the
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golden parachute for him. Love it well. Ask Jonathan Tabernari
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if you would like to play on a glass floor.
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Jonathan Tabernari joins us here for some Red and Blue.
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JT Welcome back to the show. How are you?
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I am doing good, my man?
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01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.840
How are you doing awesome? We were just talking about
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this new floor that the Big Twelve Tournament is rolling
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01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.920
out the It's called the Glass Floor. It's effectively a
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01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.000
giant led screen that they're going to play live competition,
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01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.519
meaningful basketball on for the very first time. This was
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01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:07.559
used a couple of years ago at NBA All Star
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01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.360
Weekend for a bunch of exhibition stuff, dunk contest, three
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01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:15.000
point shooting, you know, Nickelodeon games. This is the first
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01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.800
time it's going to be used in a conference tournament
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01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.159
with actual meaningful things on the line. And it is
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01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:26.440
not a wooden playing surface obviously because led lights don't
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01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.360
shine up through woods. So it's going to be a
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01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.280
different feel, a slightly different and acrylic for the players.
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01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.280
What would you as a player feel like or think
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01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:36.280
about something like this?
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01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:41.599
Well, so I actually got to play two non official
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01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.719
games on one of those floors at the end of
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01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.480
my career, you know, Fiba Foeba, you know, pioneer the
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01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.679
technology and a lot of the games that we would
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01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.760
play at the beginning of the season in Belgium, in Brussos,
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in Germany, three seasons ornaments, some of these floors were
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01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.039
tested and and.
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I'll say is this.
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01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.199
I didn't feel like it was slippery.
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01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:11.039
Or it was kind of like.
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01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:15.400
Dangerous, you know, although I always was like, you know, what.
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01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.320
If someone like falls really.
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01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:21.280
Hard or you know, like what happens, you know, but
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01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.639
obviously technology is in such a way that that.
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Is not a danger.
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01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:28.880
But I will say this, the lights on the floor
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are weird.
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And it took me a minute to kind of like.
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01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.679
Get together because they would change doing the free throw
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01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:40.840
line and you know, that would be commercials and that
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01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:43.559
would be you know, advertisements that would come in on
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01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:47.679
the floor, you know, doing timeouts. The floor was like
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01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:50.239
changing collars and all of this stuff, and you're like,
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01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.559
it's you know, I don't want to be the guy
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01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:54.599
that there's a TV in.
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01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:55.599
A room and you lose me.
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01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.639
But you know, like you're like seeing all of these
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01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:01.440
collars like you watching an Avatar.
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01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.920
Movie and you're like, what in the world is happening?
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01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:04.360
And so.
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01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.400
It is what it is. Right with the All Star
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01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:11.760
Game the way they did it, it constantly changed doing motions.
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01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.880
It will be interesting to see how the Big twelve
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01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.920
delivers in terms of like how it changes. But as
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01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.480
a player, I will tell you it was an odd feeling,
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01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:29.000
but that it's super cool to fans and for players
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01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.360
you're like, okay, well it is what it is, right
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01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.480
and so but you know, something cool for the fans.
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01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.880
Nonetheless, everyone in Utah knows that the best surface to
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01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.880
play basketball on, by the way, is that old carpet
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01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.960
flooring that you would have at the Stake centers back
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01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:48.239
in the day. That's that's the ideal basketball surface. In
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01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:48.800
my opinion.
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01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.719
Well, listen, basketball, we all know this, Sean, right, and
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01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:56.320
I know you're not a member. But you know, basketball
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01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:00.440
is the official religion of heaven.
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01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.119
You know, it's you know, the Mormon Church being the
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01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:05.039
only true church.
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Right there is a basketball court in every gym and
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01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.719
so you know, but I will say this Sean, like
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you know, I got to play a lot of basketball
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in those.
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Old carpeted floors.
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And you know, I was a Catholic I converted to Mormonism.
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And having a basketball court and a hoop that I
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01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:27.760
had access to it pretty much.
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All day every day may.
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Or may not have influenced my decision to get baptized.
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01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.360
Sean, well, it makes sense to me, and un ironically,
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01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.599
I actually loved I I'm not a member of the
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01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.280
LEDs Church. I did grow up doing scouts and activities
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01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.440
and all that stuff. Shout out to the Buttercup Chapel
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01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.360
down in Sandy. They had the carpeted floor. I unironically
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01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:52.760
loved playing every sport we played in that building. I
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01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:57.320
thought it was fantastic, including basketball. I guess people like
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01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.480
me who are on athletic you slip a lot more
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01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.159
on the wooden floors. You don't get to slide around
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01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:03.840
and slip around on those carpeted floors.
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01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.480
JT Well, I will say this, Seawan.
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01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.199
You know a lot of people with my career, they say, oh,
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01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.760
he was a professional athlete, and they said, no, sir,
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01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.159
I was a professional basketball player. I had to run
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01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.039
from three point line to three point line, and according
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01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.079
to stats in college, I got a rebound and I
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01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.360
went to the painting about five times and as a
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01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.840
pro about six times a game. And so I you know,
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01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.039
you have my symplacy, my friend, because I was a
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01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.119
professional three point shooter, not a professional athlete.
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01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:35.840
I love that. All right, let's talk about what we're
1094
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:40.119
really here for. BYU basketball is right now, very very
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01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:42.719
hard for me to figure out. You know, I've I
1096
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.840
drank the kool aid early in the year. I saw
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01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.760
that roster. I saw the star power. I saw what
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01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.119
aj Debonsa can do when he takes over a game.
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01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.719
Adding that to right, adding that to Richie Saunders, who
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01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.119
was really good last year, kevib being the guy who's
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01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:58.880
willing to do all the dirty work. I'm like, man,
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01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:02.440
this is a deeper tournament team. And we saw plenty
1103
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.519
of performances that supported that idea. And then you know,
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01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:10.559
a couple of injuries happen and some inconsistency, re reres
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01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.280
it's ugly head, and you start to pay attention to
1106
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:14.760
the numbers and you're like, man, I don't know if
1107
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.599
they have any like seriously meaningful wins right now, and
1108
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:23.159
again you have to start questioning things. So where are
1109
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.239
we at with what BYU? With a couple of games
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01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:30.239
left before we get into tournament time, with our confidence
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01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.400
that this team is going to be able to figure
1112
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.840
it out in the short time left.
1113
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.440
Yeah, I mean, let's dissect this because I think you
1114
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:40.440
hit on a lot of points, Sean, that all of
1115
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:43.079
them are true at the same time, right, And so
1116
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.840
let's start at the beginning, as one does. At the
1117
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.960
beginning of the season, with the roster they had, I
1118
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.320
firmly believe that drink kind of blue kool Aid was
1119
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.559
totally acceptable. YU was looking to be most likely one
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01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.440
of the most dominant teams in the country, and we
1121
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.280
all got to see that as the seasoning on up
1122
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:11.159
until November December. At that point, fatigue, injuries, losses started
1123
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.599
depleting the team all the way through the month of
1124
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:18.199
January and February. Right now, we also have to call
1125
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:21.519
a spade a spade, which is, you know, the Big
1126
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.719
Twelve is arguably the first or second conference in the country.
1127
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.199
It is a gauntlet of a schedule, and so that
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01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.239
also plays a big factor.
1129
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:33.480
And then you get to the loss of.
1130
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:38.000
Richie Saunders, which Sean, I don't remember if we talked
1131
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.719
about this or not, but I have a hard time believing,
1132
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.920
Sean that we're probably going to see another kid, you
1133
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.199
know that like Richie Saunders, stay on the same team
1134
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.840
and develop and get better year after year. I feel
1135
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.079
like he is a dying breed, you know what I'm saying.
1136
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:57.519
And so, and then you get to where things are now,
1137
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.159
where you know by U is kind of you know,
1138
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.400
and again I'm gonna say that they look this is
1139
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.599
my opinion, but they look not very interested in finishing
1140
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.800
the Big Twelve. They look like they're ready for March madness. Unfortunately,
1141
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.119
you can get there without the next two or three
1142
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:19.159
games that they well at least three games, you know,
1143
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:25.560
today against Cincinnati at Cincinnati and then Saturday against Texas.
1144
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.039
Tech, and then one.
1145
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.720
Or two or however many Big Twelve tournament games. And
1146
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.399
so BI is not in a good spot right now, Sean.
1147
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.800
And and there's two reasons, well, there's two things that
1148
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.600
I want to talk about.
1149
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.119
The first one is they have all the excuses in
1150
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:40.399
the world to be losing games.
1151
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.920
Nate Pickens was supposed to be the backup point guard
1152
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:46.119
and never suited up for YU this year. Richie Saunders
1153
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.079
supposed to be, you know, the face of the program,
1154
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.159
done for the year, Dustin Baker's supposed to be their
1155
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:54.760
six men coming off the bench, done for the year.
1156
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.920
So they have all of the excuses why they're losing.
1157
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:01.880
The problem is, Sean, how they're losing, And to be
1158
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:03.279
honest with you, they're.
1159
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:04.199
Not losing in a good way.
1160
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.479
Now, well, is that such a thing as a bad loss?
1161
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.520
Not well, kind of in this day and age of metrics.
1162
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.600
But they're not playing hard. The effort is lack of
1163
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:17.079
days ago, and it's just very disappointing, right. It's it's difficult,
1164
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.680
you know, I work, I'm a BUYU TV analyst and
1165
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:23.880
a lot of times it's difficult to maintain, you know,
1166
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.680
the blue goggles of being a BYU guy working for
1167
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:30.039
a Buyu a BUYU channel.
1168
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:33.760
Because they don't look good and to me is a
1169
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:34.560
lack of effort.
1170
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.720
And so I think everything that you touched on it's
1171
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:41.880
it's one hundred percent true. There are reasons why by
1172
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.960
U is not winning, and they are you know, falling
1173
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.600
very fast if you will. But to me, the main
1174
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.520
thing is Sean just play hard, you know, like why
1175
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.279
can't they just play hard? And and and I wish
1176
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.439
that that was the norm more than the exception, But
1177
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.920
right now, you know, it feels like the exception is
1178
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.720
that Vaguer is not playing hard.
1179
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.600
Will playing hard solve these woes in a meaningful way?
1180
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.279
I mean, like it's nice to see a team play
1181
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.479
hard that doesn't have the necessary talent to win big games.
1182
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:20.239
I mean there's been games we've watched when Utah basketball
1183
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:23.840
this year played really really hard, but they're just they're
1184
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:28.560
just overmatched, right. They don't have Ja debonsa though, they
1185
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.760
don't have Rob Wright. So if those guys, if this
1186
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:36.039
BYU roster plays harder against Cincinnati, I think they can
1187
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:39.680
win that game. Can can a hard playing BYU roster
1188
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.720
beat Texas Tech and then win two three games in
1189
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:43.720
the Big twelve Tournament?
1190
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:45.680
I don't think so.
1191
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:50.039
In full t fantasy, I think to your point, BYU,
1192
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:52.880
if they play hard, they give themselves a chance to
1193
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:58.039
beat Cincinnati. That BYU plays hard I still think Texas
1194
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:00.960
Tech come out on top. Sean. I know that you
1195
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.279
know we're talking about BYU, but this is a Utah show.
1196
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:05.680
We're in the same conference, and I know you follow
1197
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:08.159
you know just as much as not more than I do.
1198
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:12.760
Texas Tech looks crazy good even without JT topping, which
1199
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.199
is scary. And so as you do that and you
1200
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.439
have a very emotional senior Knight and freshman Night if
1201
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.000
you will, for AJ, it just becomes it becomes one
1202
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.800
of those things that you're like, oh, geez, BYU has
1203
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.760
to play all the worldly to be able to beat
1204
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:31.720
these guys someone you know, skeptics can say, well, JT,
1205
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.159
but they beat Iowa States.
1206
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:35.920
Iowa Stag just didn't play well.
1207
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.199
And I think it's time for BYU fans to come
1208
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.800
to terms of the fact by you played well against
1209
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:43.479
Iowa State.
1210
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:44.680
B YU didn't.
1211
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:49.520
B YU played well against Iowa State. Iowa State wasn't
1212
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:52.720
even a shadow of themselves. And so I don't think
1213
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:55.960
it's a bit now that win to your point, that's
1214
01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.920
the that's the not symbolic win that is there. You know,
1215
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.199
their marquee win of the season. Let's just put it
1216
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:08.039
right there, right that's their their signature win of the season.
1217
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:12.039
But it's still one of those things that you're like, geez,
1218
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:14.760
you know, is that going to be enough for them
1219
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:16.439
to not just be a nine or.
1220
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:17.159
A ten seed?
1221
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:19.840
And I'll tell you Sean, if they don't win, if
1222
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.760
they don't win a one off two games off today
1223
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.439
or Saturday, they're most likely going to fall to a
1224
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:27.960
ten seed in the NCAA tournament.
1225
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:35.359
Wow. I mean, relative to the preseason expectation, into the
1226
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.439
early expectation, how is that going to be handled? I
1227
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.000
had this conversation on the show last week. We do
1228
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:46.159
this all the time, championship or bust tournament or bust
1229
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.079
whatever or bust, but we don't ever really flesh out
1230
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.239
what or bust means. In a lot of cases, it
1231
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.880
means somebody loses a job, nobody at byus in danger
1232
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.600
of that. We've talked about this before. But what does
1233
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:01.840
it do if you underperform this way and then you
1234
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:04.479
lose AJ and you lose Rob Wright and you're back
1235
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:08.119
to a rebuild. Now, the program, I still think is
1236
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:11.960
in a good place, but we might never get another
1237
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:16.640
year where preseason expectations look like this for BYU basketball
1238
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:20.880
and if this is the ultimate result. Yikes.
1239
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.039
Well, and I think you're spot on, you know what
1240
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:27.720
I mean. I think that you know, perception is reality, right,
1241
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:33.640
and the perception is BYU basketball was headed to incredible heights.
1242
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.800
The reality is they had a lot of a lot.
1243
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:44.399
Of missteps during the way that all came because of injuries.
1244
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:46.680
And so the talk track that you're going to have
1245
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:51.640
to go to boosters and donors into the collectiveness. Look, guys,
1246
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.600
we have a chance to be special. You give us,
1247
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.840
you know, another fifteen million or so or whatever it
1248
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.439
is the number that is being thrown out for this roster.
1249
01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:02.560
We're going to be competitive again.
1250
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.399
And I think that Dan at that point, Kevin Young,
1251
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.079
justin Young and the entire staff is going to have
1252
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:12.319
to go to work, right and uh, because they're not
1253
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:14.760
going to have a marquee player for the program like
1254
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:19.039
Richie Saunders is. They're not going to have you know,
1255
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:20.560
an AJD Bonds.
1256
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:20.800
Are coming in.
1257
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.520
Sure, they have a kid that they're recruiting that is
1258
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.960
a top five, top ten team in the kid in
1259
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.399
the country, but certainly they don't have someone that is
1260
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.319
going to be able to be a dominant force and
1261
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.439
have the aj AURA that that is going.
1262
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.560
To come in, right, and so it is going.
1263
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:44.000
It's a very interesting you know, with this week finishing
1264
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:47.239
up the regular season, next week being the conference tournament,
1265
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:50.960
the week after that d NCAA tournament starts, and so
1266
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.479
you know, I would say to your point, I agree,
1267
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.239
Kevin Young is not on the hot seat. I certainly would,
1268
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:02.640
you know, very much say that. I don't know if
1269
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:06.000
all members of his coaching staff come back, you know,
1270
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:10.960
and I think defense has been atrocious, right, And I
1271
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:12.840
think that's a fair thing to say, because Kevin Young
1272
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:14.239
has said it himself.
1273
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:16.760
And so it becomes one of those things.
1274
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.680
That you're like, Okay, Kevin Young is not in jeopardy,
1275
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.560
but is everybody else from the coaching staff, you know,
1276
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:24.000
our day in jeopardy.
1277
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.319
I think that's a very fair question to ask.
1278
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:31.239
What about the budget and the efforts that the collectives
1279
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:33.479
and the boosters and the donors are.
1280
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:35.159
Going to have. Are we going to.
1281
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:40.079
See the same level of investment come in now in
1282
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.560
three weeks sean we may be very well having a
1283
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.520
different conversation and go how about that BYU made a
1284
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:48.680
run in the Big twelve tournament, which I think is unlikely.
1285
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:52.479
What I think is likely is Byu makes a run
1286
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:54.960
and wins a couple of games in the ancient tournament
1287
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:58.479
and make the Sweet sixteen and Sean If Byu makes
1288
01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:02.000
this Sweet sixteen, yes, I think that at that point
1289
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:04.319
everything is going to be the same as it was
1290
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:10.039
this year in terms of nil investments. And there's another
1291
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.600
word I'm looking for in terms of how much is
1292
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.039
going to be put into next season that Kevin Young
1293
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.119
is going to be able to work with. If they
1294
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:19.039
can get to the Sweet sixteen, I think that's a
1295
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:20.359
massive accomplishment.
1296
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.640
Yeah, we need to acknowledge that that is still a
1297
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:27.279
possibility because you have one of the three best players
1298
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.439
in all of college hoops right now. You have Rob Wright,
1299
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.000
who I've heard things that maybe he's, you know, the
1300
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.439
chemistry is not ideal with him, but he's also going
1301
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:39.239
to be like, all right, this is the last ride.
1302
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.199
Let let's get right for the tournament. Players can put
1303
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.399
themselves into a, you know, a lofty place and an
1304
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:50.000
upcoming NBA draft just with how they perform in an
1305
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.079
NCAA tournament. So I think everyone's going to get dialed in.
1306
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:58.119
It's possible that they make that run, and if they do,
1307
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.319
I think, like you said, everything kind of comes out
1308
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:02.840
in the wash and we're like, oh, wow, what a
1309
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.039
weird what a weird season this has been, and would
1310
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.279
probably do what we did with like you know, the
1311
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:10.199
Gimmer teams, like, oh, what would if everyone had been available,
1312
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.039
if everyone had been healthy? Imagine what else could have
1313
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:15.279
been possible? If Richie Saunders hadn't got hurt? What else
1314
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.600
could have been possible for this BYU basketball team. But
1315
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:20.640
if they end up having like they go out with
1316
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:23.319
a bit of a whimper here, does it change the
1317
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:27.399
recruiting pitch at BYU? Because you can be the top
1318
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.039
player in the country here, you can be a top
1319
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.760
draft pick here, you can make good money here. But
1320
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:35.760
even when we have those things, if we didn't win
1321
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:38.399
at all, do you have to change the recruiting pitch.
1322
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.319
I don't think so, because here's the thing. You know,
1323
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:44.319
for you to win at all, you have a head.
1324
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.560
You have to have a lot of things alignance.
1325
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:50.359
I was talking to Blaine Fowler about a month ago
1326
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:54.960
and the nineteen eighty four BYU football team there was
1327
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.720
that won the national championship. I don't know if you
1328
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.359
knew this, Sean, but we started the same eleven twelve
1329
01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:07.039
guys on defense all year long, and you know they
1330
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.520
didn't have a single injury on the defensive side of
1331
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:11.920
the ball all year. Where's the last time you heard
1332
01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.119
of something like that, Sean Well, I'll tell you what me.
1333
01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:17.119
I'll tell you it was the the O four Fiesta Bowl.
1334
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.239
Utes we had the same thing where everybody played there
1335
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:26.319
was one significant injury the whole year, and everyone else
1336
01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:29.800
stayed healthy. Like I'm I'm talking offense and defense. There
1337
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:34.560
was only one like meaningful starter or projected starter that
1338
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:38.640
got hurt that was not available everyone else. We were lucky.
1339
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.039
And you make a really good point.
1340
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.279
And I think that when you look at that, you know,
1341
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:46.359
for you to be able to get to that Final four,
1342
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.119
you have to stay healthy. You have to have a
1343
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:51.840
lot of luck, you know, like the ping pong balls,
1344
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.000
no playing intended for the jazz and the draft and
1345
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.920
the fiasco that the NBA is handling thanking. But you know,
1346
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:02.119
like you gotta have a few things bounce your way.
1347
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.399
And so I don't think you change your pitch a loup, right,
1348
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.920
because with the way that things were with Jaegor and
1349
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.279
at the beginning, Kevin Young was able to land.
1350
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:14.039
Ajd Bonsa, right.
1351
01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.880
And so you know, the one thing that I would say,
1352
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:19.720
Sean that you change your pitch a little bit is
1353
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:24.119
on the construction of the roster, meaning do you go
1354
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.600
super top heavy or now do you distribute that a
1355
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:31.079
little bit more so that instead of having two or
1356
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.720
three of the worldly players, you now have five or six,
1357
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:41.119
you know, guys that are eighty overall, and and you
1358
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:42.880
lean on the fact that you're going to have a
1359
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:48.239
roster of excuse me, six or seven guys that are
1360
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:52.239
you know, seventy five to eighty five overall, rather than
1361
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.520
you know, have three guys.
1362
01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:56.800
That their two K ratings are ninety plus.
1363
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.800
And you know, I'm curious to see how Kevin unconstructed
1364
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.000
roster next year because these are fair questions.
1365
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:06.479
Right aside from the big.
1366
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:10.119
Three WI you had with rob Ryde aj Debonsa and
1367
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:13.239
Richie Saunders that I would say that those guys wore
1368
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:18.279
you know, ninety plus ratings. The drop was significant after
1369
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.520
debts where I wouldn't say that BIU has another guy
1370
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:25.720
that's an eighty and you know, I would say Kembakada
1371
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.840
is probably an eighty guy, you know, an eighty ratings
1372
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.960
type of guy, if you're kind of following what I'm saying,
1373
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:34.239
but you know, everybody else is in the seventies, and
1374
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.000
it's a big drop because if you lose one of
1375
01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:39.000
those guys, it happens.
1376
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:40.000
What we're seeing right.
1377
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:47.640
Now, Arizona captured the regular season title in the Big
1378
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.960
Twelve with a big Monday win. Are they gonna win
1379
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:52.439
the Big Twelve tournament? Also?
1380
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.279
They will be difficult because they got a face. They're
1381
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:01.199
gonna have to say stops to stack, They're gonna have
1382
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.960
to face cancers, they have to Iowa State. You know,
1383
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.680
the conference is stup sean. I mean, look at TCU
1384
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:10.199
right TCU has a chance to win ten games in
1385
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:13.600
a Big twelve conference, which is something that you know,
1386
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:17.640
it's it's difficult. BYU is not going to be BYU
1387
01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:20.880
will be you know, if BYU win the two games
1388
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:22.720
this week, by is going to be a seventh seed.
1389
01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:26.800
I guarantee that, you know. And so they're gonna have
1390
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.279
to play a UCF.
1391
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.479
Team that's long and athletic, and they have a point
1392
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.760
guard that can go for thirty at any given point,
1393
01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:36.720
you know, And so I don't know if Arizona is
1394
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:39.840
able to stay sharp because here's the other thing too, Sean,
1395
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.479
as you're having to play three games in four days,
1396
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.560
four games in five days, that's also going to take
1397
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:49.920
a toll for the NCAA tournament where you're gonna have
1398
01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:53.319
to play two games in less than forty eight hours, right,
1399
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:56.199
and that is not easy to do, I can tell
1400
01:21:56.239 --> 01:22:00.640
you that. And so you know, I I don't know,
1401
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:03.960
I don't know. I don't even know, Sean, if Arizona
1402
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:08.000
is the number one overall seed anymore, which you know,
1403
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:11.399
for pretty much three months they were. But I you know,
1404
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.560
having watched Duke last night, Duke makes a very good case,
1405
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.600
Sean to be the number one overall seed. And I
1406
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.119
think the path for Duke to win the ACC tournament
1407
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:25.840
is less difficult than it is for Arizona to win
1408
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.960
the Big twelve tournament. And so, you know, a lot
1409
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:33.159
of implications, and you know, I am very grateful that
1410
01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:36.199
that BYU gets to be part of March maddness.
1411
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:37.560
They are going to go to the tournament.
1412
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:42.039
Right. But then to your point of earlier, Sean, would
1413
01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.399
could have should have what could have been?
1414
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:48.560
Maybe we'll be asking it, maybe we'll be talking about
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01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.479
a great run. We'll just let the games play out.
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01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.199
Jonathan Tabernari Blood watching closely. We'll talk about it next
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01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.239
time we get a chance. JT. Appreciate your time.
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01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:59.880
Thank you, sir, Hey, thank you so much for you guys.
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in their chat feature. All Right, lots of stuff here
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in the Daily Dump today. This was mentioned in James's update.
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01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:33.359
The NFL continues their international push. The Atlanta Falcons are
1444
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:37.239
gonna play a game in Madrid. I'll tell you how
1445
01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.199
that's gonna go, because I will be a Madrid expert.
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01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.920
Two weeks from now. I'm going to Madrid at the
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01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:48.000
end of my Gorilla trip to call some PFL fights. Now,
1448
01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:53.199
playing at the Bernabou would be awesome for an NFL
1449
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:56.560
player who has any interest at all in football, in
1450
01:24:56.800 --> 01:25:00.319
European football, in soccer. Okay, you're gonna have to forgive
1451
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:04.399
my ignorance. Here is this the bernabouts where Real Madrid,
1452
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:08.359
Real Madrid's home stadium. Okay, so historic soccer venue, like
1453
01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.720
one of the yeah, right, it's like one of the
1454
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:15.479
cathedrals of sport in Europe. That's cool. So that's really
1455
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:19.199
cool that you get to play there. Beyond that, I
1456
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:23.279
have no idea how interested the Spanish fans are, how
1457
01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:25.680
large the XPAC community is. That people are going to
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01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.560
show up, and I'm always interested when it comes to
1459
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:32.319
selecting who goes where. Right, there was the time where
1460
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.359
the Jacksonville Jaguars, there was like that very early conversation
1461
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:37.760
that like, hey, we're going to try to make this
1462
01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:43.039
like an London home team because of the owners British roots,
1463
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:46.319
and they've stuck with that. The Jags always get two
1464
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:49.119
games and or they always get at least a game
1465
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:51.880
in London every year. There's they're sticking with that. This year,
1466
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:54.520
I think they get two. That's cause shot Con is like, yeah,
1467
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:57.720
let's go to London. Yeah, I love London. I spend
1468
01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:01.960
a lot of time in London. Right, So the Atlanta Falcons,
1469
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.920
it's like, if you're an European fan, a European NFL fan,
1470
01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.079
you like American football, You're like, okay, now I like
1471
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:14.079
the Falcons because that's enough if you're a young kid.
1472
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:17.279
Especially while I watched this team play in person, it
1473
01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:19.159
was a great experience. I have a great memory of it. Sona.
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01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:23.079
I'm an Atlanta Falcons fans. I don't know how they decide.
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01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:25.000
I don't know how it works, but Atlanta will be
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01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:30.159
playing im Madrid. We have talked about all the teams
1477
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:34.720
tanking in the NBA and how the Wizards are among them.
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01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:40.039
Even after the Trey Young acquisition, he has yet to play.
1479
01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:44.960
He's expected to play on Thursday, but not before he
1480
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.520
got ejected from his first NBA game and a Wizard's Wait,
1481
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.720
he wasn't in a wizard's uniform. He was on the
1482
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:57.760
bench in Street clo his first his first game, ejected
1483
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.880
from a first time ejected from a game in street
1484
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:02.720
in his career for the Washington Wizards. How about that,
1485
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.680
Well done, Trey Young getting ejected from a game before
1486
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.560
you've actually played a game for that franchise. I'm not
1487
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.119
saying that facetiously. I think that's actually awesome. Just set
1488
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.880
a tone. Yeah, we're like, Hey, I'm a Wizard for life.
1489
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:20.000
Now I'm gonna yell about things that have happened to
1490
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.520
a team that I have yet to play for and
1491
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:25.039
that I asked to be I asked to be traded
1492
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:29.359
to Washington because because I like the city of Washington,
1493
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:31.880
d C. And I want to be a Wizard for life.
1494
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.039
I enjoy our nation's capital. I mets like. I love
1495
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:39.039
the National Mall. It's a great it's actually so sick
1496
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:40.520
if you have not made it. I haven't had a
1497
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:43.039
chance to yet, But you gotta go. It's on the list.
1498
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.720
You gotta like. You wait till you're your kid is
1499
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.319
a little older, probably, yeah, so he can at least
1500
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.199
wander around and enjoy. But it's like it lives up
1501
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:55.399
to the billin. Yeah, I've heard a lot of walking.
1502
01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:00.520
I've heard just if you're into history and like really
1503
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.920
cool museums, there's not many better places like Washington, DC.
1504
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:06.880
If you're like me and you're incredibly cheap and you
1505
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:09.760
don't like to pay heavy admission prices to all those things.
1506
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:14.239
All your bases are covered. You can just walk in. Yeah,
1507
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:18.760
I love that. It's wonderful. The monuments are beautiful, large,
1508
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.920
expansive lawns, plenty of open space. It's really nice. And
1509
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:26.800
you can take in a Nationals game or something else
1510
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:31.840
while you're there if you want. Now, they don't have
1511
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.560
any sports teams I actually want to watch.
1512
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:35.720
Yeah.
1513
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:39.640
The only reason to go to a to go to
1514
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:41.399
a game. If you're not a fan of one of
1515
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:44.479
those teams already is to do like the Major League
1516
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.640
Baseball fan thing, which is like I want to see
1517
01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:49.840
every ballpark, so I'm gonna go to a Nationals game,
1518
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:53.199
but that that's kind of the only reason to do it,
1519
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:59.279
right for me? Yeah, ted Lasso fan, you're a ted
1520
01:28:59.359 --> 01:28:59.960
Lasso fan.
1521
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:01.680
Yeah.
1522
01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:04.920
I thought it was a wonderful television series. Yeah. I
1523
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:06.079
guess they're doing like a movie.
1524
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:06.760
Is that right?
1525
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:14.199
Really, I haven't seen that. Believe Danny Rojas actually plays soccer.
1526
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:20.520
Football is life? Yes, Danni Rojas the character. I did
1527
01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:22.359
not know until I saw this on the rundown that
1528
01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:26.600
he was actually a soccer player. He played a knee
1529
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:31.680
injury actually took him out of like kind of the
1530
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:37.359
pipeline to be maybe a bona fide serious professional soccer player.
1531
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:45.920
He's trying out for He's playing for the El Pasel Locomotive.
1532
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:51.399
His real name is Crystal Balfernandez. He was born in
1533
01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:55.039
nineteen ninety one, which shockingly makes him thirty five years
1534
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:58.760
old even being born in the nineties, and he's trying
1535
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.880
out for a USL team. He's playing for him. He
1536
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:04.800
played like thirty minutes for him the other night, and
1537
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.840
there's expected to be this week a decision on whether
1538
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.479
or not he's actually going to be a member of
1539
01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:17.439
the team. For real Danny Rojas, the fictional character, is
1540
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:21.520
a real person who's actually decent at soccer. I believe
1541
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:25.119
El Paso's a USL team. That's right, they're the us
1542
01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:29.520
They're playing against the New Mexico Unite MLS. He played
1543
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:36.000
thirty minutes against New Mexico United on Saturday and like
1544
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:42.039
you know, counted decently well for himself. I guess he was. Yeah,
1545
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.880
he was playing for his hometown team, Tacos Football Club,
1546
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.840
and he went into acting after he had a really
1547
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:54.800
serious knee injury at age fifteen. Season four of ted
1548
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.840
Lasso currently in the works, expected release this summer. He
1549
01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.159
has not yet been confirmed as part of the cast,
1550
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.119
so the fate of Danny Rojas could be up in
1551
01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:07.439
the air. Obviously, the more lucrative thing here would be
1552
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:10.920
for him to be Danny Rojas than to be himself
1553
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:13.039
playing for a USL team. What are you saying about?
1554
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:16.399
What are you saying about the USL? I'm just telling
1555
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:19.239
you that what are you saying about? Their? Al Monarchs
1556
01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:24.279
being part of a massive hit television show is definitely
1557
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:29.199
better for your financial future than being in double A soccer?
1558
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.119
Did you know that soccer is the third most popular
1559
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:35.159
sport in America? Now, oh see, you're saying that, I
1560
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:38.119
don't know if you knew that Gallup poll. Here's what
1561
01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:42.960
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna look up average USL is
1562
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:47.960
a league salary. I'm not mistaken. Give me your give
1563
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:50.840
me your guests on the average USL salary. Well, let's
1564
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:55.600
see what's the salary for Ted Lasso? Oh yeah, than that?
1565
01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:58.720
Just give me give me a g I guess for
1566
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:03.720
thirty five thousand, thirty to forty five thousand dollars annually.
1567
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:07.079
Great guess, James, give yourself some James Peterson willis so
1568
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:10.000
he's only making twenty five grand a year for being
1569
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.760
Danny Rojas, with veterans offering often earning around five thousand
1570
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.840
dollars per month. All right, the league is moving toward
1571
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:21.560
a fifty five thousand dollars minimum salary for a top
1572
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:27.199
tier USL League one salaries. It's because of that Gallup
1573
01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:30.720
poll we're now USL is now the third most popular
1574
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:36.119
sports league in America. Look, I'm not disparaging developmental leagues.
1575
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.720
If you're a USL player, or you're like Chase the
1576
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:44.079
professional athletics dream as hard and as long as you can.
1577
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.680
It is a beautiful thing to play a game and
1578
01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:49.000
be paid for it, even if you're hardly making a
1579
01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:54.279
dang dime. Like to avoid the corporate doldrums that everyone
1580
01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:57.279
else has to push themselves through and chase your dream.
1581
01:32:57.479 --> 01:33:00.439
Absolutely go for it. I actually love mister Deville mental
1582
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:04.119
League on the show here. I love this for Danny Rojas. Yeah,
1583
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:07.920
for the Danny Rohass actor because okay, so you see
1584
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:11.359
this occasionally in college sports. I don't think Utah has
1585
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:15.520
had one of these guys where someone eight seven seven
1586
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:17.720
three five three zero seven hundred, correct me if I'm wrong.
1587
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:19.239
I don't think we've had one of these guys. That's
1588
01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:23.680
usually in the South, usually in places where there's a
1589
01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:28.359
large military bases. Honestly, well, you'll have a guy who
1590
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:31.720
signs up for the Marines, the army, whatever, when he's
1591
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:34.880
seventeen or eighteen years old, and he puts in his
1592
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.439
full his full go right. He goes at full twenty
1593
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:44.079
years and then he retires from the military and almost
1594
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:47.039
invariably is in phenomenal shape for someone who's in their
1595
01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:51.840
late thirties early forties, and then that person walks on.
1596
01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:55.279
I think South Carolina had one. I know Alabama State
1597
01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.479
has had one of the like you get every other year.
1598
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:02.720
It seems like one of these individuals, right, And I
1599
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:06.239
think some sports fans laugh at it a little bit.
1600
01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.439
I do not, even though I fully acknowledge that these
1601
01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:15.439
guys are not going to be elite level players. There
1602
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:19.760
is something that should be encouraged about chasing a dream,
1603
01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:24.279
whether it makes sense or not. Well, how about the
1604
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:29.239
Minneapolis the Minnesota guy who's a lawyer who got to
1605
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:32.399
throw a stone on the US curling team fifty four
1606
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:36.279
years old. Yeah, like, that's oldest Olympian ever. That's that's
1607
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:38.760
not anyth gonna laugh at, even though he was an
1608
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:42.359
alternate and he only got in because the result was
1609
01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.760
the result was not in doubt anymore. They're like, we're
1610
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:48.359
gonna give you this chance to check off this dream
1611
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:51.439
of this this uh, this thing on your bucket list,
1612
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.479
this big dream of yours to actually have competed in
1613
01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:58.319
an Olympics. However technical it is that this guy competed
1614
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:01.640
in the Olympics. It's the same same kind of thing
1615
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:05.079
for these guys that are like the guys you mentioned
1616
01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:10.479
in college football, the actor who plays Danny Rojas in
1617
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:15.199
lower developmental league in soccer getting a chance to try out, Like,
1618
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:20.039
good for them, Yeah, do it. The emergency goalies that
1619
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.000
exist for every single NHL game that you never hear
1620
01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.560
about except when some freak cappenstance makes them get called
1621
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:33.600
into service. According to uh Google, the last time an
1622
01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:38.159
emergency goalkeeper was used in an NHL game was February
1623
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.520
twenty second, twenty twenty. Wow, what a time that was.
1624
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:45.720
You had heard the word COVID, but it had not
1625
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:49.199
yet shut down the world, right February twenty second, twenty
1626
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:52.760
twenty two weeks away from that. It was like right
1627
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:56.199
after that. So oh see, I was still doing Sports
1628
01:35:56.199 --> 01:36:00.000
Saturday at that time, and I said into that microphone
1629
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:04.600
that you're talking into a week before Rudy Gobert test
1630
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:09.640
positive and the world shuts down, the nation shuts down.
1631
01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:15.520
I said, the news broke that Nclway tournament is considering
1632
01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:20.239
playing without fans in the building, and I said, Wow,
1633
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.239
that'd be crazy, No way, I think that's happening. That'd
1634
01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:28.319
be crazy. A week later, no Nclbway tournament at all.
1635
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:38.000
So yeah, they crazy times, very odd times. The last time, yeah,
1636
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:40.960
this is disputed. By the way, there is the Anaheim
1637
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.760
Ducks say that Tom Hodges dressed and went into the
1638
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:48.079
game for a couple seconds for them in twenty twenty two,
1639
01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:51.640
But David Ayres played for the Carolina Hurricanes against the
1640
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:54.640
Toronto Maple Leafs got it in the second period. He
1641
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:57.840
allowed two goals, he made eight saves, and his team,
1642
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.319
the Carolina Hurricanes in this case, earned a six' to three.
1643
01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:05.920
Win i'm sure that there's been a time When David
1644
01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:08.600
ayer's family leading up to that was just, like what
1645
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.000
are you. Doing you're forty two and you're a zamboni.
1646
01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:16.439
Driver knock it, Off chase the Dream, man keep. Living
1647
01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:20.199
To Danny, rojas that's inspiring to. Me this guy is
1648
01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:23.399
a at least he's not a, big big time, actor
1649
01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:25.680
but he's a successful. Actor and he's, like you know,
1650
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:27.880
WHAT i still want to play. Soccer i'll go To
1651
01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.039
El paso to do it for way less money THAN
1652
01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:35.319
i get per. Episode probably absolutely twenty five to thirty
1653
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:43.039
thousand dollars per, season thirty thirty to forty five thousand
1654
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.319
dollars per season with the increase in THE. Usl, yeah
1655
01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:49.960
you're probably making that per episode on Ted lasso And
1656
01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:55.479
sedeikis is probably making a million per. Episode, awesome all,
1657
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:57.840
Right Jeff schwartz is going to join us next our
1658
01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.760
resident football. Experts we'll talk about the. Combine we'll talk
1659
01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:05.279
about the combine results and the UPCOMING Nfl, draft as
1660
01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.720
well as franchise tag deadline coming. Up in fifty four.
1661
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.560
Minutes it's the set Of Connell show ON espn seven
1662
01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:19.920
hundred and ninety two ONE. Fm this is The sean O'Connell.
1663
01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.479
Show you were home of the best inside of your.
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01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:26.000
Utes let's get back TO oc from The Murdoch chevrolet
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01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:29.800
studio of THE espn seven hundred and ninety two one half.
1666
01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:39.760
Am welcome number. Three Welcome Jeff, schwartz friend of the,
1667
01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:46.239
program LONGTIME nfl, veteran Former Oregon. Duck The Organ ducks
1668
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:50.079
continue to put out freakish athletic performances at THE Nfl Scouting.
1669
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:53.640
Combine Jeff schwartz did not do, that but Other Oregon ducks.
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01:38:53.680 --> 01:39:00.399
Do gladly with, you, buddy back from my first vacation
1671
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.479
in a couple of. Years so glad to be with.
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01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:07.960
You you, said you, said weeks, WRONG a couple of, WEEKS.
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01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:10.199
A couple of. WEEKS I i, DON'T i. Don't my
1674
01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:12.399
wife goes on a ton of. VACATIONS I i don't have.
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01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:14.720
To we we got a, dog and folk turns three
1676
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.960
and a happy, birthday AND i got two. Dragons Now
1677
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:22.039
i'm a TEN u softball. Coach first scrimmage, tonight big
1678
01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:27.600
big night for, us for the Old. Thunderbats that's our, Name. Thunderbats, yeah,
1679
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:29.880
Okay marathon came up with. IT i didn't want to use,
1680
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.800
it and then it kind of grew on. Me she's,
1681
01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:35.199
very very pleased with herself that she came up With. Thunderbats.
1682
01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:40.399
Thunderbats what's the what's the kit? Color what are we?
1683
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:40.680
Looking?
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01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.960
Well so, well we're we're Just Myers Park Little. League
1685
01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:45.760
we just have the same bluely uniforms we always. Have
1686
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.840
they're red and. Blue BUT i BOUGHT i bought our
1687
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.479
team Thunder bats shirts that we are going like to
1688
01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:58.199
wear for warmths and. Stuff if the girls want to log,
1689
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.520
YEAH ai, Logo, yeah, awesome it's. HERE i can send
1690
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:04.319
it to. You it's a it's pretty big business here
1691
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:05.479
first just for scrimmage.
1692
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:05.800
Tonight.
1693
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:08.720
Uh we got our pictures. Identify we have most of
1694
01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:11.920
our fuelders. IDENTIFY i gotta gotta fight some hitters, old.
1695
01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:14.600
UH i, Mean schwartz needs to step up a little.
1696
01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:18.039
BIT i feel Like i'm trying not to put too
1697
01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:19.840
much pressure on, her but we need we need me
1698
01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:22.279
to play well for the old ten you thunder bats this.
1699
01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:24.960
YEAR i heard you guys talking about THE covid twenty
1700
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:27.159
twenty before it came. ON i thought you were never
1701
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:28.720
coming to, me by the, way But i'm glad you
1702
01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:32.119
found time in your day for. THAT i think our
1703
01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:34.239
best work we ever did was during THE covid year
1704
01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:37.399
because we had nothing to talk about for seven months
1705
01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:39.239
and we were on nearly every. Day.
1706
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:45.840
Still it was, incredible just contact tracing and go over
1707
01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:49.640
like and the local health officials canceling every damn game
1708
01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:50.760
for Cal oh my.
1709
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:52.880
God we were just we were just talking about like
1710
01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:57.079
like like like, municipality like rules In berkeley to see
1711
01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.680
if like the col can practice on a given, day
1712
01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:03.640
like we just been doing the dumb. Stuff it's actually.
1713
01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:08.000
Amazing hopefully obviously once a, GENERATION i. Hope, geez so.
1714
01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:11.600
Many so many industries like boomed in that time just
1715
01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:17.520
because people were bored as. Hell, yea like cryptocurrency went absolutely.
1716
01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:21.720
Insane THE i like. Shoes i'm a sneaker, guy as you're,
1717
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:25.760
Aware so like that was the height BECAUSE i was
1718
01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:28.079
just sitting at home on the internet all day and
1719
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:30.079
they're just, like, OH i should get these cool custom
1720
01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:32.079
shoes OR i should get these cool unique shoes that
1721
01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:35.840
are hard to. Find the floor has absolutely dropped out
1722
01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:38.000
of the bottom of that. Market you can get shoes
1723
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:40.960
that used to be like one thousand dollars a pair at.
1724
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:44.640
Ross now it's. Amazing what really what that time did
1725
01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:50.039
for particular like especially collector type. Industries it's.
1726
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:52.840
WILD i heard Like sketchers are, back THOUGH i heard
1727
01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.439
some SHOES i made a. Return NO i.
1728
01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:59.239
DON'T i don't know That sketchers sponsors any of our
1729
01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:03.800
radio stations here in the. Group BUT i have, never, will,
1730
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:08.920
never could never purchase A sketcher's, anything not even for my,
1731
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:13.600
children certainly not for my. Wife And i'd rather go. Barefoot,
1732
01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:15.199
no can't be.
1733
01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:18.800
Done. Interesting, YEAH i, mean YOU'RE i know you're an
1734
01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:20.239
elitist like, that but okay.
1735
01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:22.520
With, FOOTWEAR i try to be all, right let's talk
1736
01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:25.640
about the scouting. COMBINE i know that you were loving
1737
01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:29.840
the big. Men nine guys at THE nfl scouting combine
1738
01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:33.239
went under five flat that are supposed to be offensive
1739
01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.960
lineman next. YEAR i don't know if that's any kind of,
1740
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:38.960
record BUT i mean we're all talking about three hundred
1741
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:42.199
plus pound. Dudes, yeah running faster than most of the
1742
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:42.760
people that we.
1743
01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:42.880
Know.
1744
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:46.520
Yeah, look obviously the ten you, know tends to matter
1745
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.720
a little bit, more, right because that's the explosive part
1746
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:51.520
of our, Game and so does the broad jump in the.
1747
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.159
Vertical and you were talking about my combine it was.
1748
01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:56.359
ATROCIOUS i MEAN i had a one percent, vertical, right
1749
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:59.159
like the reason and PEOPLE i tweet that, out, people you, know,
1750
01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:02.479
say how do You why does it? Matter? Well it
1751
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:08.520
matters because you, know the combine is important because there
1752
01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:11.960
are benchmarks for success with some of the, numbers, Right
1753
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:15.239
so you, know if you're at a certain number that you,
1754
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:17.680
know this is A these are numbers with the height
1755
01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:20.760
and weight of players that had success over their, lifetime,
1756
01:43:20.840 --> 01:43:24.880
right and and you can use that as a. Baseline, okay,
1757
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:27.279
well these are the numbers that that have worked in the.
1758
01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:30.680
Past if we go outside that those you, know is
1759
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:32.880
that guy an? Outlier? Now how do we square, that
1760
01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:35.760
and so that's why the numbers are, important, Right it's
1761
01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.439
why we we like to get. Them it doesn't mean
1762
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.960
someone's going to be. Good but my BROTHER i like
1763
01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:42.039
using THE ras. Scores i've you've seen those, before write
1764
01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.920
The roads Of athletics scores that are put out, there
1765
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:46.800
and there's a combination of you, know just sort of
1766
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.119
putting everything, together, height, weight all the. Numbers you, know
1767
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:52.239
ten is the, best, right and there were some players
1768
01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:54.039
that had nine point. Nine so there was a tight
1769
01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:55.840
end On stanford who was like the most like tight
1770
01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:57.840
end of all time in this. Combine i'm sure there
1771
01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:00.479
are offensive lineman there were in the nine point five, area,
1772
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:05.039
right like really. Outstanding my brother was a two point three, Sean,
1773
01:44:05.560 --> 01:44:08.479
YES i was a. FIVE i was in the, fives like.
1774
01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:14.319
It and so the numbers, Matter but so does you,
1775
01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.039
know can you play football right? Now for those who
1776
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:18.880
might my brother was played nine YEARS, nfl was a
1777
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:21.399
four Time All pro and won A Super bowl with The.
1778
01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.760
Chiefs obviously the numbers for him didn't matter at. All,
1779
01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:26.680
Right so this is what it's, about, Right it's about
1780
01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:29.439
finding a. Baseline, okay what do we know about this
1781
01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:33.399
player based off their? Film does their testing live up
1782
01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:36.079
to their? Film that's the first, question, Right if it,
1783
01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:38.520
does it's just a check. Mark, okay good Check now
1784
01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:40.279
we see, okay well it's a shuttle, time is it
1785
01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:42.840
like in that range of, like, wow these guys who
1786
01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:45.479
have the shuttle time typically are really really good in THE.
1787
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:48.680
Nfl and then so that's how to ME i evaluate all, This,
1788
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:50.359
Right so these guys are running, FAST a lot of
1789
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:53.079
them are already at good, athletes, right so it's not a.
1790
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.079
Surprise and, look these guys if they're not in a
1791
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.199
bowl game or they're not you, know they leave their
1792
01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:00.000
their their. TEAM i mean they're working on forties now
1793
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.960
now for three, months you, Know LIKE i, SAID i
1794
01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:05.399
don't Really so to, me it's not really about the.
1795
01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.920
Time it's just like just this. Player you, know if
1796
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.880
you're if you're athletic on the, field you show your
1797
01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:13.640
athleticism when it comes time at the combine and or
1798
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:15.560
if you're not an, athlete do not show, that, Right
1799
01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.000
and so that that's what it is to. Me AND
1800
01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:20.640
i think for, most for the most part and most
1801
01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:22.319
offensive linemen did do what they had to. Do so
1802
01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:25.399
a couple of guys were a little sloppy in the. Drills,
1803
01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:28.199
again the drills you're prepared, for so you. SHOULDN'T i
1804
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:31.239
would prefer you weren't to sloppy in those. Drills but you,
1805
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:33.039
know that's that's what it. Is it's it's a tough
1806
01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:36.039
assignment to be there for a couple of days in
1807
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:38.800
that atmosphere when you know your job is on the line,
1808
01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:40.560
essentially right you're interviewing for a, job and then all
1809
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:42.399
of a, Sudden, hey go work out for us in
1810
01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:44.439
sort of this, cold, sterile boring.
1811
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:48.640
STADIUM i want to talk about the tackles in this draft,
1812
01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:51.039
specifically and how the mock drafts are kind of like
1813
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:56.000
they're sorting them right. Now, so So Spencer fano came
1814
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.359
into the day appearing as like either the number one
1815
01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:02.520
or number two tackle off the boards in pretty much
1816
01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:06.840
every mock THAT i. Saw and then The freeland guy.
1817
01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:08.399
Was his, Name, yeah The georgia.
1818
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:11.680
Kid, yeah The georgia kid then like inserted himself in
1819
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.640
there for a lot of people above. Funnel even Though
1820
01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:19.680
spencer had an excellent, combine a remarkable combine was the
1821
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.920
most that he was the highest graded athlete among all offensive,
1822
01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:26.079
linemen with all offensive tackles at the combine and yet
1823
01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:28.439
still AND i know they're only mock drafts and that's
1824
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:31.560
not what matters. Here but then the conversation somehow changes
1825
01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:35.760
And Francis, mowingoa who didn't even he just measured and.
1826
01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:38.960
Interviewed he didn't run any of the, drills run any
1827
01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:42.920
of the timed. Events he seems to have somehow elevated
1828
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:47.159
himself as. Well and it's a head scratcher For spencer's
1829
01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:49.439
gonna be, fine Like Caleb blowan was going to be.
1830
01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:52.439
Fine they're both gonna HAVE i, think long successful. Careers
1831
01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:56.319
but just the way that the offensive line conversation has
1832
01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:59.039
developed in the last, week week and a, half you're
1833
01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:00.199
a lot closer to it the AND i.
1834
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:04.359
Am, LOOK i think a couple of things we've known
1835
01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:09.560
About Spencer fauno for years, now, right and so there's
1836
01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:12.079
a familiarity with a player like THAT i think gets
1837
01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:15.119
overlooked at times when it comes to, discussions. Right and
1838
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.279
so you've got, to, like you Know freeling From, georgia
1839
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:19.640
who you knows tape is, inconsistent there's a lot of
1840
01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:21.640
the light, there but you look at him run his,
1841
01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:24.600
Size you're like this guy prototypical everything, right and you
1842
01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:26.960
so then you maybe ignore some of the film and
1843
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:29.279
things right because you know he's fresh in your mind
1844
01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:32.079
if for having good, work like we know What spencer's
1845
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:33.680
gonna BE i think in THE, nfl and SO i
1846
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:35.760
think there's some comfort in, that AND i think it's
1847
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:39.319
sometimes that that leads to. YOU i have a mock
1848
01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:42.600
draft due tomorrow For Fox. SPORTS i was gonna put you,
1849
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.680
know freelingk not ask me six to The, browns AND
1850
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:47.960
i was talking About Buddy Brandon. Thorne he's got one
1851
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:50.640
out For Bleacher, report And brandon's really one of the
1852
01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:53.000
better minds on the offensive. Line he still Has fano
1853
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.199
going six, overall and we're talking about, it and it's
1854
01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:58.760
like this sort of WHAT i, mentioned Like FANO i
1855
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:02.680
think comes in and to known quantity immediately, right And
1856
01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.520
freeling just he may be, great but he also might
1857
01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:07.640
not be. Right and that's a thing more discussion is
1858
01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:10.279
right now as you look at guy like like that
1859
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:13.199
and you, say, okay well you get free like, height, weight,
1860
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:18.439
athleticism some of the tape. Pops he probably profiles more
1861
01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:21.079
as a long term like this is what it looks
1862
01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.880
like as an all pro Offensive. Lineman. Right i'm not
1863
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:26.800
saying it's gonna, be but that's what looks like for
1864
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:30.520
no size is not typically of that of that type of, player, Right.
1865
01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:35.279
Sean so this is this is the draft, complex, right
1866
01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:37.760
this is what we convince ourselves of because we have
1867
01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:39.720
so much time to think about these. THINGS i think
1868
01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:41.880
that's why we're seeing The georgia kid pop up a little.
1869
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:45.079
Bit as far as you, Know francis On. Miami look,
1870
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.000
it he's, GONNA i, think end up a guard in THE,
1871
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:51.560
nfl and he's probably be a pretty good guard in THE.
1872
01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:54.279
Nfl and that's WHAT i debate like right, now where
1873
01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:56.279
if you're like The giants for, example and people have
1874
01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:58.319
him mocked The giants at, five because you look at
1875
01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:00.800
what The giants need and it probably not running. Back
1876
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:03.399
they have obviously a really good defensive line room right
1877
01:49:03.439 --> 01:49:05.279
now that they're probably going off it's ave line needs some.
1878
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:06.960
Help it offens line don't need a left tackle, Though
1879
01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:11.119
and the question is if you Take francis, there well
1880
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:13.600
is he moving taking a guard five or tackle at?
1881
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:13.920
Five?
1882
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.720
RIGHT i mean to, me you know they if you
1883
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:19.960
want to, tackle you probably would Take. Spencer but if
1884
01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:22.520
you want a, guard you probably Take francis. Right so
1885
01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.640
these are these think these are all the reasons why
1886
01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:26.479
he's not a High but Again i'll tell you The
1887
01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:29.159
bleacher report one today had him going you, know you,
1888
01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:32.479
know six to the. Brown so there are people out
1889
01:49:32.479 --> 01:49:35.000
there that still believe In fino going very. High and
1890
01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:37.399
there are guys Like Nate tice who Have lomu ahead of, him, Right,
1891
01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.439
like it just depends on which guys you like to
1892
01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:40.319
look at for some of the mock.
1893
01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:44.000
Drafts what do you make of the report that some
1894
01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:47.960
teams Had, spencer you, know doing center.
1895
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:53.399
Drills, yes, yeah, LOOK i think that there's a so
1896
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.119
there's a new thing in THE. NFL i don't know
1897
01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:59.560
what news the right. Word but there's a philosophy when
1898
01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:02.000
it comes to offensive line now where you, know when
1899
01:50:02.039 --> 01:50:05.399
we Were, sean when we were sort of watching football
1900
01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:08.760
and playing, football you just sort of put like your
1901
01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:12.359
best offensive linemen at left tackle right and then you you,
1902
01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:13.840
know and then you just try to put your next
1903
01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:15.960
best maybe at right, tackle and then you find a good,
1904
01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:18.640
center you found a couple of. Guards you just sort
1905
01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:22.800
of made it. Work right, now the philosophy is turned
1906
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.600
into let's just get the five best, guys and we'll
1907
01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:27.560
put them in different. Positions well you know which one
1908
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:31.319
of our five, best, Right and so now that's what
1909
01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:35.560
teams so if you can play, center because you a
1910
01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.800
lot of options right to put your five best on the. Field, Right,
1911
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:43.399
like let's say you are The, Chargers, Okay Charge gray, Example. Chargers,
1912
01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:45.880
right they have two tackles are coming back off injury
1913
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:48.159
that are really, good and they need to center in
1914
01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:50.760
the worst way if they miss on On, linderbaum who
1915
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:52.840
potentially stay with The, ravens, like they need to center
1916
01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:54.199
in the. Worst so the center last year was the
1917
01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:57.079
WORDS nfl what if you no could plays center for? Them,
1918
01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:58.800
Now i'm sure you would like him to be drafted much,
1919
01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:02.159
higher BUT i, mean like so that that just gives, options,
1920
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:06.159
right it gives you options in THE, Nfl and that's
1921
01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:08.159
why they did. IT i think that's why his size
1922
01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:10.680
and we've seen guys sort of of his size that
1923
01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:12.760
play tackle that they sort of have gone in the.
1924
01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:17.319
Center AND i think it's a smart JUST i don't
1925
01:51:17.359 --> 01:51:19.319
think he's a play out in THE, nfl but just
1926
01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:21.159
to let teams know you can do, it, RIGHT i
1927
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.399
can do, it. Guys SO i wasn't surprised to see,
1928
01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:25.159
that and that means seems a. THOUGHT i think teams
1929
01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:26.720
have thought about WHAT i just. Said it's, like, well
1930
01:51:26.720 --> 01:51:29.079
we have a couple of good, tackles but we really
1931
01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:30.880
want our five, best and if he's one of the five,
1932
01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:32.399
best let's go on the field.
1933
01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:35.479
Somewhere Jeff schwartz is our guests here on the Show
1934
01:51:35.680 --> 01:51:38.199
Connoll schotalk and All Things. Football right, now THE Nfl
1935
01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:43.399
draft combine coming. Up we're thirty seven minutes away from
1936
01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:48.680
franchise tag, deadline and you, know like looks Like Kenneth
1937
01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:55.359
walker will not Be AND i don't know how players
1938
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:59.359
and locker rooms handled the franchise tag because obviously it's
1939
01:51:59.399 --> 01:52:02.880
a big one year's, salary but it seems, like depending
1940
01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:04.800
on what age you are in your, career you don't
1941
01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:07.000
want it if you're a player that is looking for
1942
01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:10.199
more long term. Security so how should we be viewing
1943
01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:13.199
these franchise tags that are or are not being exercised by.
1944
01:52:13.239 --> 01:52:15.840
Teams and let's Say Trey hendrickson is not going to
1945
01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:19.880
be tagged by the way The bengals pass, RUSHER I
1946
01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:24.000
i think that no one actually likes, it player and,
1947
01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:27.119
team and the reason why you, know for the, player
1948
01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:29.359
obviously you want you want that long term, security, right
1949
01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:31.600
you want that long term. Contract didn't look tags a
1950
01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:34.279
lot of, money right for some, guys if you, KNOW
1951
01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:37.720
i think last Year Trey smith before he got, paid you,
1952
01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:39.399
know or maybe you, know he was gonna look at
1953
01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:41.039
it like twenty million dollars a year and he was
1954
01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:43.520
a sixth round pick like. That that was five times
1955
01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:45.000
when he had made in THE nfl so. Far so
1956
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:46.920
he that's like signed up for. That he signed his
1957
01:52:46.920 --> 01:52:49.079
tag the first day he, could said me for. THAT
1958
01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:51.239
a lot of you, know guys that want long term,
1959
01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:53.439
deals and there are first round, picks they don't want.
1960
01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:56.199
Tags they want that, security. RIGHT i don't think teams
1961
01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.560
like it, Either, sean because it makes the players way more.
1962
01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:02.800
Expensive you cannot push any tag money to a different,
1963
01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:04.720
year right when you sign a. Contract you can push
1964
01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:07.319
them with that money to different parts of their. Contract
1965
01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:11.760
you can't add avoid. Years it's a full one hundred cap.
1966
01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:15.439
Number and teams don't want, that. Right they want to
1967
01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:17.560
be able to plan out years and years in. Advance
1968
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:19.079
and if you have a guy on a one year,
1969
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:22.600
deal you know you can't plan out longer than one
1970
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:24.680
year for that. Guy SO i don't think anyone likes. It,
1971
01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:28.199
obviously it's a tool that that's available to use because you,
1972
01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:31.880
know THE cba allows, it AND i don't think we're
1973
01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:34.159
gonna get rid of. It why would you know a
1974
01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:37.279
bargain for something that affects five five players a. YEAR
1975
01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:39.640
i don't think we're going to do. That but ACTUALLY
1976
01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:41.159
i don't think teams like it. EITHER i, KNOW i
1977
01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:42.640
know people think that's kind of all WHEN i say,
1978
01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:44.560
that but you know they. Don't they want these guys
1979
01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:47.359
sign long. Term. Man they want to get their their
1980
01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:49.560
their cap and in order they want to have projections
1981
01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:51.359
for years and years to. Come they want to know
1982
01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:54.720
they were to lie on these certain. Players so in the,
1983
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:57.039
end it is what it. IS i don't think teams
1984
01:53:57.039 --> 01:53:58.560
are players like it very. Much.
1985
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:03.239
Uh it looks Like Drew dollman is. RETIRING i saw.
1986
01:54:03.279 --> 01:54:06.560
That, yeah. Shocking do you like him as a, Player,
1987
01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:09.279
yeah he's really he's. Good he really solified The bears
1988
01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:11.279
offense line last year was much much. Better they went
1989
01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.960
and made those trades rather shocking. RETIREMENTS i don't, know
1990
01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:17.960
you know his injury. Status maybe there's a neck. Injury
1991
01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:19.560
we don't know about a head injury we don't know.
1992
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:21.359
ABOUT i mean that obviously affects a lot of these
1993
01:54:21.399 --> 01:54:23.600
guys and we don't know those, things so they. Retire
1994
01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:26.439
but for the he's only twenty, seven right the year he,
1995
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.880
had you know coming off, uh you, know the year
1996
01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.960
The bears just had and the excitement in that building
1997
01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:34.239
With Ben johnson that that was rather. Surprising so h
1998
01:54:34.279 --> 01:54:37.880
But i'll tell you what. Meant you, KNOW nfl is
1999
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:40.640
hard to, play just like any pro, sport and if
2000
01:54:40.640 --> 01:54:42.479
you're not into one hundred, percent don't do. It and
2001
01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:44.760
SO i give these guys. Credit man that they. Retire you,
2002
01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:47.279
know they they're, done they're over it and just move.
2003
01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:49.479
On SO I I i appreciate what guys can.
2004
01:54:49.520 --> 01:54:52.560
Do this twenty seven years old by the, way and
2005
01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:56.079
retiring after he's super. Young he had just signed a three,
2006
01:54:56.159 --> 01:55:00.159
year forty two million dollar contract during the last all off.
2007
01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:01.800
SEASON i don't know how much of that he actually,
2008
01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:02.600
got but so.
2009
01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:03.920
Have to give you might have to give some money
2010
01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:05.479
back if it's not if it's not a medical thing.
2011
01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:08.399
Too like that's when you retire, early you, know you
2012
01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:11.800
have money back often because the pro rated bonus and.
2013
01:55:11.840 --> 01:55:13.359
Whatnot that parts.
2014
01:55:13.439 --> 01:55:16.000
Cares actually he's A stanford. Gun maybe he'll go be
2015
01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:19.079
A pokemon card dealer with uh with? This what was
2016
01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.520
That Blake martinez the linebacker.
2017
01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:22.159
Who Has pokemon?
2018
01:55:22.199 --> 01:55:25.479
Cards Blake, martinez the former. Linebacker oh is he A
2019
01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:26.079
stanford guy?
2020
01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:26.319
Too?
2021
01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:28.479
Yeah as you know that.
2022
01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:32.760
Conference, Champions, yeah in THE. Acc, NOW i don't.
2023
01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:34.880
KNOW i wonder how. THAT i wonder how that industry
2024
01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:39.720
is doing POST covid. Shutdowns, Pokemon, yeah seems like they're
2025
01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:40.159
killing it.
2026
01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:44.800
STILL i sure if you say, so my son might.
2027
01:55:44.840 --> 01:55:46.279
KNOW i think he's he's more in the cards THAN i.
2028
01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:50.920
Am james just pointed, Out, yeah The pokemon was the
2029
01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:55.119
sponsor of The. Olympics, oh, Man i'll tell you.
2030
01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:57.600
What it was a lot of. Fun eight Am. Olympics,
2031
01:55:57.640 --> 01:55:58.760
man how much fun was?
2032
01:55:58.800 --> 01:55:58.840
That?
2033
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:01.079
Amazing it was.
2034
01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:03.079
GREAT i, mean for you is six which is a,
2035
01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.840
weird your time zone is, weird but everyone else it.
2036
01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:08.640
Was it was. Awesome for is there is there anyone
2037
01:56:09.039 --> 01:56:11.840
in that you watched in this combine or that you're
2038
01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:15.039
excited as we go through this drafts process that you
2039
01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:17.279
think is just like he's your. Sleeper this guy is
2040
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:20.119
going to be a GREAT nfl. Player and maybe he
2041
01:56:20.199 --> 01:56:21.880
isn't being talked, about or even if they, ARE.
2042
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.319
I don't know IF i have a sleeper quite. Yet you,
2043
01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:29.520
know it's My it's interesting because you, know not many
2044
01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:33.000
people DO nfl LIKE i COVER nfl LIKE i, do
2045
01:56:33.039 --> 01:56:35.600
and then also cover college football AND.
2046
01:56:37.479 --> 01:56:37.520
I.
2047
01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:41.000
DON'T i JUST i don't have time to study like
2048
01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:43.159
all seven rounds of the. DRAFT i just, LIKE i
2049
01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:46.199
JUST i just don't AND i used to WHEN i
2050
01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:47.840
but it is, hard, man so it's hard to be
2051
01:56:47.880 --> 01:56:49.800
LIKE i. Am i'm prepped on like the first like
2052
01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:51.640
forty guys in the. DRAFT i don't. Think my work
2053
01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:53.520
also doesn't require me to know much more than that
2054
01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:56.479
for WHAT i do, Anyways SO i don't have like
2055
01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:58.439
A i used to have a tyson plus when we,
2056
01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:00.000
covered like you know that it was easier when you
2057
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:02.199
covered on THE pac twelve every, day, right like you,
2058
01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:04.119
know you had sort of a couple of guys you
2059
01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:07.840
you watch and you watched all season. Long but, no
2060
01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:10.039
no one comes to mind at the moment of guys
2061
01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:12.079
that are like super sleepers right. NOW i, MEAN i
2062
01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:13.680
think a couple of guys that you, know the north
2063
01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:16.039
is The northwestate quarterback that people seem to like is
2064
01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:19.039
a lefty that he had a, great great combine that
2065
01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:20.560
was mentioned to me a couple of weeks ago as
2066
01:57:20.600 --> 01:57:22.600
sort of a watch. Out could be a sort of
2067
01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:25.319
a first round. Pick the type of player weird quarterback
2068
01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:28.439
here With Ty simpson probably is the other first round. Pick,
2069
01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:30.479
so you, know a couple of guys like that sort
2070
01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:31.800
of pop up on the radar every now and. THEN
2071
01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:33.279
i DON'T i don't have great ones for you for you,
2072
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:35.840
yet BUT i just WISH i had more time to
2073
01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.720
watch some of the the way the round GUYS i
2074
01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:38.359
haven't done it.
2075
01:57:38.439 --> 01:57:41.399
Yet Is Caleb fanel going to be a Top Caleb?
2076
01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:41.720
Lomo?
2077
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:44.439
Caleb Is Caleb lomo going to be a top forty?
2078
01:57:44.479 --> 01:57:44.640
Guy?
2079
01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:49.960
Yeah, Again DANDRUM i put out a. TWEET i feel.
2080
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.760
This we see this tweet every every. Year there's only
2081
01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:53.880
seven GUYS i would take in the first. Round it's
2082
01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:55.960
off the t. Line but, UH i feel that you
2083
01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:57.760
just written to that. Two BUT i think that he's
2084
01:57:57.760 --> 01:57:59.439
one of those guys that look at the end of
2085
01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:01.880
the first, ROUND i think even maybe. Earlier you, know
2086
01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:04.119
there's there's a lot of CHOICES i think for. Him
2087
01:58:04.479 --> 01:58:07.279
this draft is interesting because there's really you, know there's
2088
01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:10.920
a couple super premium, players right you look At mendoza
2089
01:58:11.159 --> 01:58:14.880
and The Ohio state The state, players both guys on,
2090
01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:22.159
Defense Tate Love Bane, bailey you know those are probably like.
2091
01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:25.640
That that's, it, Man and so you have a lot
2092
01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:29.239
of a lot of choices in this. Draft would be
2093
01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:31.199
a lot of teams are drafting guys that maybe you
2094
01:58:31.239 --> 01:58:33.760
didn't think they were gonna, draft or they you know
2095
01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:35.840
you have your eye, on because they're gonna look at
2096
01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:38.640
their draft board and there'll be grades all over the.
2097
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.520
Place right, one teams that have a high second guy,
2098
01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:43.520
one guys have a low first on a guy like
2099
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:45.079
it's just gonna be WHAT i think to, me that to.
2100
01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:48.520
Be you, know that type of. Draft SO i certainly
2101
01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:50.800
think he'll be up there because of maybe the lack
2102
01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:54.119
of total tackles in this, draft but it won't surprise
2103
01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:58.119
me if he went twelve or twenty. Seven that's the
2104
01:58:58.159 --> 01:58:59.399
type of. Draft it feels.
2105
01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:02.560
Like thing BEFORE i let you, go did you ever
2106
01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:07.079
notice in actual game play when a guy had particularly
2107
01:59:07.159 --> 01:59:09.680
long arms or short arms when you were trying to block.
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01:59:09.800 --> 01:59:14.039
HIM i, Mean I'm i'll tell my head, no But
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01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:16.479
i'm SURE i absolutely felt that in a. Game, sure,
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01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:19.600
yes you can tell a. Difference that's the reason why
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01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:20.439
people care about.
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01:59:20.479 --> 01:59:25.720
It if You're Reuben, bain does your arm length actually?
2113
01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:32.840
Matter it's hard to say that it doesn't. Matter but
2114
01:59:33.039 --> 01:59:37.239
he's overcome that because of his style of, play, right his,
2115
01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:42.640
explosiveness his, strength his ability to bend his. Agily BUT i,
2116
01:59:42.640 --> 01:59:46.239
mean if you are going Against Lane johnson who has,
2117
01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:48.960
like you, know arms down to his knees or you, know,
2118
01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:52.119
like it's a problem if you can't get if you
2119
01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:53.560
can't get By, lane what are you going to do
2120
01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:55.319
to him if you can't get in his chest before
2121
01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:58.319
he gets in your. Chest that's why arm length. Matters but,
2122
01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:02.520
again if if you're quick, enough if you can overcome,
2123
02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:04.000
it you, KNOW i, mean it's not a. Problem but
2124
02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:06.439
you're running some guys and you're just gonna be, LIKE
2125
02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:09.119
i just can't get by this, guy and that's what
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02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:12.479
arms are an. Issue but his film hasn't shown that
2127
02:00:12.479 --> 02:00:14.640
to be that big of a, problem SO I i to,
2128
02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:17.319
me it would not worry, me, unless of, course Again
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02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:21.359
i'd go back to the historical comp. Thing, Right historically,
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02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:25.359
speaking his arms would be the shortest of anyone to
2131
02:00:25.439 --> 02:00:28.199
ever have a great career at that. Position, like that's the, thing,
2132
02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:30.680
Right so if you are a team that subscribes the
2133
02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:32.600
idea that we have to draft guys to sort of
2134
02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:36.520
fit into this athletic profile because we have fifty years
2135
02:00:36.560 --> 02:00:39.640
of data on these, guys you would have to really
2136
02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:42.039
take a risk on drafting a guy Like, bay you,
2137
02:00:42.079 --> 02:00:44.119
know Like bane if he doesn't fit the athletic. PROFILE
2138
02:00:44.119 --> 02:00:47.479
i mean, again he would be the first of a
2139
02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:50.800
guy of his arm length and his size to be.
2140
02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:54.399
Good that's A, again that's a pretty tough ask if
2141
02:00:54.439 --> 02:00:56.600
you're in that draft room and you've the eighth pick,
2142
02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:58.159
overall and you're, like do we take the guy that
2143
02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:00.239
would be the outlier because we think he's got good
2144
02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:02.880
or do we take a more known commodity at that
2145
02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:05.600
position or someone? Else like those are real discussions that
2146
02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.560
that gms, have AND i think they're fair discussion to,
2147
02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:11.920
have because, again the outlier part of the drafting outliers
2148
02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:14.359
man in the first round is tough. Business and SO
2149
02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.399
i think that's gonna affect. SOMETHING i think it seems
2150
02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:18.840
somethings aren't going to. Care but if we look back
2151
02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:21.039
and say to, ourselves, well that was kind of an
2152
02:01:21.039 --> 02:01:22.800
overdraft that that would be the reason.
2153
02:01:22.840 --> 02:01:27.000
Why That's Jeff. Schwartz, jeff thanks for joining us as,
2154
02:01:27.039 --> 02:01:28.319
always appreciate you man.
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02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:29.399
Talking next to, me, Buddy take.
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02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:34.920
Care thirty six in charms is about as long as
2157
02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:37.279
it gets in THE, nfl and if you have thirty
2158
02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:41.880
one in, charms that is a big. Difference quick break
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02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:44.640
here and Then Matt, ferrell THE ceo OF Us Figure,
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02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:47.239
skating joins us on The sean O'Connell show AT espn
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02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:49.159
seven ninety twofm.
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02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:54.119
You were listening to A sean O'Connell, show your source
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02:01:54.199 --> 02:01:57.359
for the best utes football. Company HERE'S oc from The
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02:01:57.439 --> 02:02:01.840
Murdoch Hyundai studio of ESP and seven hundred ninety two,
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one Alf, Am.
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02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:06.800
Welcome back to The sean O'Connell. Show welcome In Matt,
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02:02:06.880 --> 02:02:11.239
FARRELL CEO Us Figure skating ahead of THE Us Synchronized
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02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:15.640
Skating championships this week at The Mavericks center starting tomorrow
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02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:18.720
going through the Seventh Matt, Farrell.
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02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:18.840
Welcome to the.
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02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:19.439
Show how are you?
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02:02:20.600 --> 02:02:22.640
Hey doing? Great great to be, here.
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02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:26.960
So utah hosting this event for the first, Time is that?
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02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:30.279
Correct it is and it.
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02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:32.800
Probably bears a little bit of explanation of what the event.
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02:02:33.039 --> 02:02:38.000
Is but synchronized skating is like this blend of certainly
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02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:42.920
ice skating and marching band with like the atmosphere of
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02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:45.399
a cheer competition kind of all all into.
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02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:45.640
One.
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Wow and this is THE us Champions this is THE
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02:02:48.079 --> 02:02:50.640
Us championships here at The Maverick center this.
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02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:54.800
Weekend, Okay so with that, description give me a sense
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02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:58.520
is it uniform how many young men or women are
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02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:00.960
on the ice at a certain. Time i'm, like what's
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02:03:01.039 --> 02:03:04.760
the give me like the four breakdown of what we're
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02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:05.199
going to see.
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02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:11.279
Visually so in most cases it's either twelve to sixteen
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02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:16.079
athletes on the floor or on the, ice and can
2189
02:03:16.199 --> 02:03:19.279
be a mix of women and. Men that leans a
2190
02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:24.159
little more female athletes and they're they're skating informations and
2191
02:03:24.319 --> 02:03:29.439
doing different. Maneuvers it's very intricate based to, music and
2192
02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:32.199
so you'll see kind of skaters going in and out
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02:03:32.199 --> 02:03:36.000
of each other and it's a coreyographed routine on.
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02:03:36.199 --> 02:03:42.520
Ice and is this judged similarly to The olympic events
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02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:45.479
that we all Just i'm sure you're fully aware of this.
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02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:48.920
Cycle every four years we all become big time experts
2197
02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:52.560
on figure. Skating for like a two week period and
2198
02:03:52.680 --> 02:03:55.880
then we kind of go back to our regular, habits
2199
02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.640
and then four years later we're once again big time.
2200
02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:00.840
Experts is it the same judge are the same type
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02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:01.279
of judging?
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02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:06.600
Criteria similar in, concept and you, know you find yourself
2203
02:04:06.680 --> 02:04:12.199
incorporating the word twizzle into your conversations, daily which you
2204
02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:16.319
didn't normally, do but similar in. Concept you, know it's
2205
02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:21.279
obviously about the precision on the, eyes the, synchronicity and
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02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:24.800
kind of really just how the you, know anywhere the
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02:04:24.840 --> 02:04:26.800
twelve to sixteen athletes move is.
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02:04:26.880 --> 02:04:29.640
One, well we spend a lot of, TIME i mean
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as much AS i, joke we did spend a lot
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02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:34.840
of time during The Winter olympics focusing on sports that
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02:04:34.920 --> 02:04:38.319
we don't typically talk about on a regular sports talk radio, show,
2212
02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:42.880
right figure skating being one of. Those and we come
2213
02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:45.760
off a hockey gold medal and all, this and especially
2214
02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:47.720
here In, utah we're, like, okay what is this going
2215
02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:50.600
to do for the growth of these? Sports we see
2216
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:54.319
What alyssa lou with her, success and you, know the
2217
02:04:55.399 --> 02:04:59.760
sort of pop culture phenomenon That Jack hughes is with
2218
02:04:59.880 --> 02:05:02.520
the broken teeth in the gold, medal AND i imagine
2219
02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:06.800
there's an opportunity here for figure skating with you, know
2220
02:05:06.920 --> 02:05:09.840
the popularity in the gold medal success that we just
2221
02:05:09.920 --> 02:05:12.560
had in these. Games so how do you capitalize on?
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02:05:12.640 --> 02:05:17.479
That, Matt, yeah it's a great. Question you, know everything
2223
02:05:17.600 --> 02:05:24.239
from there's something really really special about a Female olympic
2224
02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:27.039
champion in The United states and we hadn't had it
2225
02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:30.359
Since Salt lake The games in two thousand and two
2226
02:05:31.079 --> 02:05:38.039
With Sarah Hughes so and it creates this, demand it
2227
02:05:38.199 --> 02:05:41.199
creates this interest in the. Sport we might call it
2228
02:05:41.279 --> 02:05:45.359
a halo effect of what we're seeing is just absolute
2229
02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:50.039
phones ringing off the hook at learned To skate, sessions skating,
2230
02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:54.680
rinks of people wanting to actually try the sport and introduce,
2231
02:05:54.760 --> 02:05:57.600
it and so Some olympic sports you can see from
2232
02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:03.199
a membership standpoint from five percent to ten, percent The
2233
02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:08.520
Olympic games can really be a huge catalyst in terms
2234
02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:11.119
of just driving interest in the. Sport and you, know
2235
02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:13.439
something like skating is a great one because you can
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02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:15.439
do it for the rest of your life and whether
2237
02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:19.079
you want to be the Next alissa lou is not the.
2238
02:06:19.199 --> 02:06:24.680
Point but it has this, real you, know gold metal
2239
02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:28.760
to grassroots type of impact in, communities and we're seeing
2240
02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:34.279
seeing clubs across the country From utah To albuquerque, saying my,
2241
02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:36.000
gosh we can't keep up with the demand of the.
2242
02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:40.399
Calls right, now pretty. Cool with respect to The Synchronized
2243
02:06:40.399 --> 02:06:43.720
Skating championships this week at The Maverick, center tickets, available
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02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:49.439
go to The Maverick center. Website we're talking about that grassroots, growth.
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02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:52.279
RIGHT i mean you come off OF i have three, Daughters,
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02:06:52.359 --> 02:06:54.840
okay so we come off of watching The olympics together
2247
02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:58.680
and now they're, like, hey we should, dad we should go.
2248
02:06:58.760 --> 02:07:01.520
Skating let's want, you let us go. Skating let's take us,
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02:07:01.560 --> 02:07:02.039
skating all?
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02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:02.239
Right?
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02:07:02.359 --> 02:07:05.880
Cool and then you, know there's figure, skating there's, hockey there's,
2252
02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:08.800
whatever and then maybe they see an event like. This
2253
02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:14.199
are the funnels to individual figure skating or pair skating
2254
02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:18.079
and these synchronized skatings in the large team? Format are
2255
02:07:18.119 --> 02:07:22.000
they similar? Funnels do these people come from the same, academy, schools?
2256
02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:26.720
Coaches is their crossover between the, athletes BECAUSE i think
2257
02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:29.560
some of us are familiar with the figure skating that
2258
02:07:29.680 --> 02:07:32.920
we see On olympic television less so with the synchronized
2259
02:07:32.920 --> 02:07:36.479
skating you're talking, about are they the same people doing these.
2260
02:07:36.520 --> 02:07:41.640
Things you, know you almost self select a little bit in.
2261
02:07:41.720 --> 02:07:44.159
Ways and the ANALOGY i always use is like it's
2262
02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:47.840
The Harry potter sorting hat of what's the best path
2263
02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:52.520
in the sport for, me and The, olympics in an odd,
2264
02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:57.439
way can actually cloud things because not every kid who's, six,
2265
02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:59.920
seven eight years old once or even thinks about being
2266
02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:02.199
the Next olympic. Champion they want to be on a
2267
02:08:02.239 --> 02:08:05.920
team and on the ice with their, friends and that's
2268
02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:10.479
where a synchronized skating is. Awesome and so that does
2269
02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:14.840
tend to be a different mindset and a different person
2270
02:08:14.920 --> 02:08:16.520
that might SAY i want to be part of a
2271
02:08:16.600 --> 02:08:19.880
team with my friends and do that all the way
2272
02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:22.399
through my high school and college, years as opposed, to
2273
02:08:22.840 --> 02:08:26.119
you know, What i'm driven to be the Next Dorothy,
2274
02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:30.279
Hamil Peggy, Fleming Alas, Alu Christy. Amagucci and so it's
2275
02:08:30.439 --> 02:08:34.479
just an outlet for different people who want different things in,
2276
02:08:34.600 --> 02:08:37.319
sports because we don't all always want to be the
2277
02:08:37.359 --> 02:08:41.680
Next olympic. Champion sometimes it's really about community and Team.
2278
02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:46.359
Some of us realize when we're watching Those olympic skaters
2279
02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:48.920
that it's a beautiful and graceful and incredible and that
2280
02:08:49.039 --> 02:08:52.520
we are not ever capable and never work capable of such.
2281
02:08:53.319 --> 02:08:57.039
Things, well not only, that and then the pressure of.
2282
02:08:57.079 --> 02:08:59.720
It you, know you think about it like every other
2283
02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:04.319
whether you're swimming or wrestling or even playing, golf there's
2284
02:09:04.359 --> 02:09:08.319
somebody else out there with. You in many, ways, yes
2285
02:09:08.439 --> 02:09:10.680
golf is an individual, sport but the caddies out, there
2286
02:09:10.720 --> 02:09:14.279
your opponents are out. There skating is just this Unique
2287
02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:20.680
you are out there performing completely, alone and it just
2288
02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:22.960
adds to the pressure of the event and kind of
2289
02:09:23.000 --> 02:09:25.720
the excitement of the. Event and then you have to
2290
02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:30.159
be artistic as you're being. Athletic so it's really this unique.
2291
02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:34.319
Mix and by the, way you get this Big Super
2292
02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:37.039
bowl event every four years instead of every, year and
2293
02:09:37.119 --> 02:09:38.760
you got to go back to the drawing board if
2294
02:09:38.800 --> 02:09:42.279
it doesn't go all that, well it's incredible What olympic
2295
02:09:42.319 --> 02:09:46.880
athletes and every sport go through your perception of when
2296
02:09:46.920 --> 02:09:53.479
there's these, little you, know tabloid, things the controversy around,
2297
02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:57.960
judging or there's you, know the rumor mill buzzing around
2298
02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:00.760
about certain pairings and why those pairing are put together
2299
02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:04.560
and how they overcome our us pair that deserves this
2300
02:10:04.720 --> 02:10:07.399
gold medal and they've only been together for one year
2301
02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:10.800
instead of twenty, years and how did they leap frog?
2302
02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:13.840
Us and all that. STUFF i, mean it's a. Tension
2303
02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:15.760
and there's always that adage of there's no such thing
2304
02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:20.159
as bad. Publicity but for us figure, skating when The
2305
02:10:20.239 --> 02:10:23.439
olympic cycle brings us all to the. Forefront for the
2306
02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:26.560
average sports, fan you're THE ceo OF us figure this
2307
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:28.479
is your life every. Day so what do you think
2308
02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:28.920
of those?
2309
02:10:29.039 --> 02:10:33.520
Moments you, know at the end of the, day you
2310
02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:37.720
certainly want a fair, Competition and with any sport that
2311
02:10:38.039 --> 02:10:40.560
has a degree of subjectivity to, it there's always going
2312
02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:43.159
to be some argument to, it and SO i think
2313
02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:48.439
figure skating certainly has that spotlight on. It BUT i
2314
02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:52.039
often tell, PEOPLE i, mean we're still arguing about past
2315
02:10:52.079 --> 02:10:57.359
interference calls from last college football. Season there's subjectivity in
2316
02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:01.359
or what's a foul in the NBA's subjectivity every. Sport
2317
02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:04.800
maybe that's a little more magnified to determine the final
2318
02:11:04.880 --> 02:11:08.760
outcome and a figure, skating but that's part of the
2319
02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:13.479
human element of, sports and that's just part of the
2320
02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:17.079
culture of who we, are and so you really have
2321
02:11:17.199 --> 02:11:20.920
to just own and embrace. That and so are there
2322
02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:23.800
times where you feel, Like, okay maybe some decision was
2323
02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:27.279
a little bit farther of an outlier in WHAT i
2324
02:11:27.319 --> 02:11:30.079
would consider fair versus what you could would consider. Fair
2325
02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:33.640
AND i think you come to an acceptance that that
2326
02:11:34.000 --> 02:11:35.560
is part of the sport and part of the culture
2327
02:11:35.600 --> 02:11:35.720
of the.
2328
02:11:35.760 --> 02:11:39.760
Sport but at the end of the, day you, know you.
2329
02:11:41.399 --> 02:11:44.760
Graciously accept the, results whether they go your way or.
2330
02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:47.920
Not and our athletes In milan in, PARTICULAR i think
2331
02:11:47.960 --> 02:11:50.880
we're just awesome about that when we had some highs and.
2332
02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:54.600
Lows are you already laying groundwork projecting Out is there
2333
02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:59.680
anything being done for in preparation For utah twenty thirty.
2334
02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:02.600
Four it's eight years, away BUT i imagine in your
2335
02:12:02.640 --> 02:12:04.119
world that comes around quicker than.
2336
02:12:04.039 --> 02:12:04.479
We think.
2337
02:12:06.319 --> 02:12:10.079
One hundred. PERCENT i, mean one is synchronized skating what
2338
02:12:10.159 --> 02:12:13.239
you'll see at A Maverick. Center we're being very open
2339
02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:16.239
and transparent that we think that should be an incredible
2340
02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:19.359
sport on The olympic program in the, future and certainly
2341
02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:24.359
hoped By. Utah But utah to me obviously hosted in
2342
02:12:24.439 --> 02:12:27.560
two thousand and, two will host in thirty. Four we're
2343
02:12:27.680 --> 02:12:30.720
of the belief That utah will host again in sixteen
2344
02:12:30.800 --> 02:12:33.760
or twenty years after, that and SO Us Figure skating
2345
02:12:34.119 --> 02:12:37.279
is really starting to focus on what can we do
2346
02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:41.000
to build grassroots and youth skating In. Utah how can
2347
02:12:41.039 --> 02:12:44.119
we make our skating clubs, Stronger how can we bring
2348
02:12:44.199 --> 02:12:47.800
in more lead coaching Into, utah and for lack of
2349
02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:51.359
a better, word really invest In utah and make it
2350
02:12:51.439 --> 02:12:54.600
a hub for skating, activity because we just think this
2351
02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:58.439
is going to really be a tent pole state and
2352
02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:03.479
market to build long. Past you know WHEN i hang
2353
02:13:03.520 --> 02:13:04.920
out my skates on this, Job.
2354
02:13:06.239 --> 02:13:08.520
Well we appreciate you jumping on today and answering our.
2355
02:13:08.600 --> 02:13:12.560
Questions THE Us Synchronized Skating championships this week starting tomorrow
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02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:16.159
at The Maverick. Center tickets are available for all four
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days it Goes wednesday Through, saturday but they are going,
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fast so go to The Events ticketcenter dot com Slash
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Maverick center and get those. Tickets, matt thanks so much
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for your.
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Time oh you, BET i appreciate, it And i'll make one.
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Plug there's This Starlit blades From Salt lake that are
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in The novice division On, friday so you can see
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Some utah flavor this weekend as.
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Well all, Right so if you're in for the local,
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Flavor friday is your day. Again tickets available through The
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Maverick center. Website thanks, Again.
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02:13:47.359 --> 02:13:49.640
Matt hey appreciate talking to.
2369
02:13:49.680 --> 02:13:53.880
You Matt, FARRELL ceo OF Us Figure Skating Synchronized Skating,
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02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:58.479
Championships and, hey this IS i like what we get
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the chance to hear about things that are not really
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always on our. Radar it was kind of a big,
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deal like these. ARE i thought these tickets would be
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a little bit easier to. Get they're, available but the
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selection is getting thinner and.
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Thinner so.
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Ten Am, tomorrow nine Am, thursday nine thirty Am, friday
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seven forty five am to start time On, saturday get
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out to The Maverick center for THE Us Synchronized Skating.
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The jazz basketball game last?
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Night?
2405
02:15:49.439 --> 02:15:50.279
No your?
2406
02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:54.479
Boy your boy? Went you THOUGHT i was? Lying Uh,
2407
02:15:54.560 --> 02:15:56.960
No ACTUALLY i have pictures on the. PHONE i was
2408
02:15:57.000 --> 02:16:02.000
a big. Night, Jackson, Dart Dwayne wade me you, know,
2409
02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:06.399
YEAH i mean, Big Big night for every one in the.
2410
02:16:06.439 --> 02:16:09.079
Building turned out to be a pretty fun basketball. Game
2411
02:16:09.079 --> 02:16:09.920
i'm not gonna Lie.
2412
02:16:11.079 --> 02:16:11.640
Jay darts in.
2413
02:16:11.720 --> 02:16:15.399
Town Jay dart was in, town and he was sitting
2414
02:16:15.479 --> 02:16:17.800
next to my Guy, ray my Guy, ray a couple,
2415
02:16:17.880 --> 02:16:20.359
guys and therefore you're just wearing hat, backwards crushing.
2416
02:16:20.439 --> 02:16:23.880
Life and you couldn't tell who it was because he
2417
02:16:23.960 --> 02:16:24.439
was dressed Like.
2418
02:16:24.560 --> 02:16:28.439
Maclamore H he had this big, hoodie his hood was
2419
02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:31.560
covered covering his, head and he had big old. Sunglasses
2420
02:16:32.120 --> 02:16:36.000
so we're sitting on the other end and debating who
2421
02:16:36.319 --> 02:16:38.959
is sitting next to my Guy ray, again a couple
2422
02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:43.600
guys forties backwards. Hat we all just guessed random white
2423
02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:46.600
rappers because you couldn't tell it Was Jackson. Dart at one,
2424
02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:48.639
Point i'm seriously, LIKE i think that might Be. MACLAMORE
2425
02:16:48.639 --> 02:16:50.799
i have no idea who that. Is but big, Night
2426
02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:53.879
Big knight of the. Stadium by the, way do you really?
2427
02:16:54.040 --> 02:16:54.680
Yeah huh?
2428
02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:57.600
Hot take when's the last time we heard from? Him
2429
02:16:57.639 --> 02:17:00.600
where's he at two thousand and? Twomore, yeah it's been
2430
02:17:00.639 --> 02:17:03.280
a minute or twice if you were In, milwaukee did you?
2431
02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:09.399
EVER i swear only five people in on the planet
2432
02:17:09.559 --> 02:17:12.079
ever watched the. Show do you do you ever recall
2433
02:17:12.159 --> 02:17:13.760
The White Rapper show ON vh?
2434
02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:14.000
One.
2435
02:17:14.440 --> 02:17:19.120
Nope it was Unbelievable and the weirdest thing is like
2436
02:17:19.200 --> 02:17:22.000
you can't really find footage of, it and it was
2437
02:17:22.079 --> 02:17:24.760
only one, season and me and my Buddy brandon like
2438
02:17:24.840 --> 02:17:26.520
stumbled upon it one, night were, like this is.
2439
02:17:26.600 --> 02:17:30.520
Phenomenal white dudes trying to rap didn't go very well
2440
02:17:31.319 --> 02:17:34.079
and the judges were, all you, know Like African american.
2441
02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:35.639
Rappers all they did was clown, them.
2442
02:17:35.719 --> 02:17:39.040
Just like established. Rats, yes it's like The Wu tang
2443
02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:41.680
clan judging a bunch of white guys and.
2444
02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:43.600
All they did was mock, them and it was so.
2445
02:17:43.959 --> 02:17:46.040
FUNNY i WISH i think they only did one.
2446
02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:46.440
Season.
2447
02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:50.360
AWESOME i have a weird thing for like bad movies
2448
02:17:50.399 --> 02:17:52.799
and bad. Television fascinated by.
2449
02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:56.319
It everyone has their guilty pleasure television. Shows. YEAH vh
2450
02:17:56.440 --> 02:17:58.680
one provided a lot of good ones back in the.
2451
02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:01.200
Day oh, yeah, yeah UH A favor Of, Love, yeah
2452
02:18:01.239 --> 02:18:04.280
The flavor of Flav. One didn't they have The Osbourne show?
2453
02:18:04.319 --> 02:18:05.159
Too did?
2454
02:18:05.200 --> 02:18:07.120
THEY i don't, know keeping up with The osbourne's or.
2455
02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:09.200
Whatever meet THE Ivh, WELL i don't know if IT'S
2456
02:18:09.280 --> 02:18:13.879
vh one or IT'S mtv or IT'S e Or TRUE
2457
02:18:13.959 --> 02:18:16.319
tv or. WHATEVER i know that's a. LIE i know
2458
02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:18.879
it's On TRUE. Tv it's it's my, guys The Impractical.
2459
02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.799
Jokers love The Impractical.
2460
02:18:20.879 --> 02:18:25.559
Jokers not aging all that, well you, know canceled here
2461
02:18:25.600 --> 02:18:27.360
or there for some deviant.
2462
02:18:27.399 --> 02:18:30.040
Behavior but, yeah you.
2463
02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:35.120
Didn't we actually had the guy on the show who was.
2464
02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:36.680
Canceled he was was It?
2465
02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:38.440
Joe it was why he?
2466
02:18:38.520 --> 02:18:40.399
Left of course it Was, joe, Right like that was
2467
02:18:40.440 --> 02:18:43.280
pretty easy to. See, No joe was coming into town
2468
02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:45.479
to do stand up and so they reached out to
2469
02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:47.000
see if we could. INTERVIEW i mean we, did and
2470
02:18:47.120 --> 02:18:49.280
like the next week it turned out he's like, DMan
2471
02:18:49.399 --> 02:18:50.239
like fifteen year old.
2472
02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:52.799
Girls we Had sal not just a couple of months,
2473
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:56.920
ago and he did not enjoy our interview at. All,
2474
02:18:57.079 --> 02:18:59.879
Really i'm a big. FAN i Love The Impractical. JOKERS
2475
02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:02.879
i Think sal's. Hilarious, yeah and he just was, Not
2476
02:19:03.239 --> 02:19:04.239
like he definitely didn't have.
2477
02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:07.200
Fun that's unfortunate me because he seems like a, jovial
2478
02:19:07.280 --> 02:19:09.239
happy fellow and he's got a really good.
2479
02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:11.680
Podcast. YEAH i was, LIKE i was, like put the
2480
02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:14.159
difference between doing in practical jokers in the standup is That,
2481
02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:16.239
Well i've actually been doing stand up for like twenty. Years,
2482
02:19:16.440 --> 02:19:20.440
okay nobody knows you for, That. Sal, yeah, yeah. HUH
2483
02:19:21.639 --> 02:19:23.559
i like to write. Books no one knows that about.
2484
02:19:23.639 --> 02:19:24.159
Me shut.
2485
02:19:24.239 --> 02:19:28.440
It, yeah there's something And i'm a huge stand up comedy,
2486
02:19:28.559 --> 02:19:32.159
fan but there's something about the need to establish credibility
2487
02:19:32.239 --> 02:19:35.639
with those guys LIKE i started WHEN i was eleven
2488
02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:39.319
in my uncle's garage AND i was grinding until Anyone,
2489
02:19:39.760 --> 02:19:40.639
no you calm.
2490
02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:43.879
Down, Sal you're on the appractican practical. Jokers that's what
2491
02:19:44.040 --> 02:19:46.200
we know. You we know you for salth way to
2492
02:19:46.280 --> 02:19:49.120
ruin my decade long. Fandom it is.
2493
02:19:49.319 --> 02:19:53.079
A Really i'm trying to think the best one of all?
2494
02:19:53.159 --> 02:19:56.120
Time CAN i say this on? AIR i think it
2495
02:19:56.239 --> 02:19:59.760
Was sal who lost the challenge and he was forced
2496
02:19:59.799 --> 02:20:02.680
to watch some adult movies in a coffee shop with
2497
02:20:02.840 --> 02:20:03.719
the sound on the.
2498
02:20:03.760 --> 02:20:07.920
Computer oh it. Was it is so painful yet just so.
2499
02:20:08.159 --> 02:20:10.159
Funny so, YEAH i think it Was sal in the
2500
02:20:10.200 --> 02:20:12.319
middle of a coffee, shop opens up the. Laptop it
2501
02:20:12.440 --> 02:20:16.079
is crowded and all you hear are sounds of adults
2502
02:20:16.159 --> 02:20:18.840
doing adult things and people baiting him to turn it.
2503
02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:19.200
Off but he.
2504
02:20:19.239 --> 02:20:20.719
Couldn't you just had to sit there for like five.
2505
02:20:20.760 --> 02:20:23.840
Minutes they had some really good, punishments. UH i THINK
2506
02:20:24.559 --> 02:20:28.319
i THINK q Married sal's mom at one point as
2507
02:20:28.399 --> 02:20:31.000
one of the. Punishments see one of the great things
2508
02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:33.120
about that. SHOW i don't know if you consume it
2509
02:20:33.200 --> 02:20:35.040
the same WAY i. DID i just pictured doing that
2510
02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:37.159
with my, friends of, course and how much fun that would. Be,
2511
02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:39.879
yeah and and, exactly you, know exactly like your your
2512
02:20:40.520 --> 02:20:44.239
high school, buddies that you would do that show with great. Stuff, yeah,
2513
02:20:44.879 --> 02:20:45.840
life what a?
2514
02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:50.799
Life good, Luck, joe hang in, there, buddy apparently not good.
2515
02:20:50.840 --> 02:20:53.239
BOOK i, mean find your way. BACK i don't really
2516
02:20:53.319 --> 02:20:54.959
know what to say about it's been.
2517
02:20:55.000 --> 02:21:00.799
Canceled franchise tag two minutes from now is the Dadline.
2518
02:21:00.399 --> 02:21:03.840
Trey hendrickson not having the tag placed upon.
2519
02:21:03.959 --> 02:21:09.719
HIM i always want to know why players Like trey
2520
02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:14.920
are not regarded the same way as people that are
2521
02:21:15.000 --> 02:21:21.239
in his same, position that perform the same level of productive. Football.
2522
02:21:21.799 --> 02:21:24.840
Right it's such a strange, thing and it happens in
2523
02:21:24.920 --> 02:21:27.959
all pro, sports right where you've got one guy who's
2524
02:21:28.200 --> 02:21:30.319
there's baseball on right, Now like there's one guy who
2525
02:21:30.440 --> 02:21:34.399
hits like three to oho, three and another guy who
2526
02:21:34.479 --> 02:21:36.840
hits like two ninety seven and the three To zho three,
2527
02:21:36.959 --> 02:21:39.079
guy everyone's just, LIKE i love, you and the two
2528
02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:41.520
ninety seven, guy they're just, like let him. Go, yeah don't.
2529
02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:45.159
Care especially on that, defense, Right Like cincinnati's, defense you don't,
2530
02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:45.719
know not.
2531
02:21:45.879 --> 02:21:48.959
AWESOME i think part of that might be they're just,
2532
02:21:49.079 --> 02:21:52.799
like even With, trey we're really, bad so we might
2533
02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:55.040
as well just tear this thing down to the. Studs
2534
02:21:55.319 --> 02:21:57.280
but if that's the, case you should have gotten value
2535
02:21:57.280 --> 02:22:00.120
out of tray h you should have traded. HIM i,
2536
02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:01.000
MEAN i don't.
2537
02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:03.959
Know i'm no expert in this, field but he seems
2538
02:22:04.040 --> 02:22:06.239
like a beast to, Me like every TIME i watch him,
2539
02:22:06.239 --> 02:22:10.040
play it stands. Out so if they're not going to
2540
02:22:10.120 --> 02:22:12.600
bring him, back certainly that's somebody that have a lot
2541
02:22:12.600 --> 02:22:16.600
of market, VALUE i would. Imagine but, Yeah cincinnati's defense
2542
02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:19.959
is so. Atrocious the one decent defensive player you, have
2543
02:22:20.079 --> 02:22:21.719
you might want to lock him. Up and Then Kenneth
2544
02:22:21.799 --> 02:22:23.840
walker is, walking, Right DID i see?
2545
02:22:23.879 --> 02:22:24.239
That that's?
2546
02:22:24.319 --> 02:22:24.440
Right?
2547
02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:29.040
Huh Super BOWL, Mvp we'll. See because Charbon is he
2548
02:22:29.239 --> 02:22:31.000
was it AN acl For sharbone.
2549
02:22:31.680 --> 02:22:32.120
To close the.
2550
02:22:32.200 --> 02:22:33.879
YEAR i think it was AN acl, YEAH i would
2551
02:22:33.879 --> 02:22:35.120
imagine they would want to bring him.
2552
02:22:35.159 --> 02:22:41.200
Back Miles garrett in the last five seasons eighty three, SACKS.
2553
02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:44.399
Tj watt seventy three and a half, Sacks Trey hendrickson
2554
02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:49.079
seventy and a half. Sack, Yeah cleveland will not Let
2555
02:22:49.200 --> 02:22:51.280
Miles garrett go no matter, what nor should.
2556
02:22:51.280 --> 02:22:51.399
There.
2557
02:22:51.479 --> 02:22:53.799
Yeah he's, LIKE i want out of. Here they're, like,
2558
02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:58.680
no here's fifty million dollars a YEAR. Tj. Watt. Yeah
2559
02:22:59.040 --> 02:23:01.319
pittsburgh is, like, well name the stadium after. You we're
2560
02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:03.399
getting rid Of Mike. Tomlin we're not going to get
2561
02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:06.639
rid of. You cincinnati third best pass rusher in the
2562
02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:09.559
league over that time. SPAN i don't get.
2563
02:23:09.600 --> 02:23:09.920
It it's.
2564
02:23:09.920 --> 02:23:12.280
Odd, yeah it's really. Weird i've always wondered why they
2565
02:23:12.280 --> 02:23:14.239
didn't just lock them. UP i do think you make
2566
02:23:14.319 --> 02:23:15.959
a good, point, though with all the holes they, have
2567
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:18.360
maybe they just want to spread the cash out to
2568
02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:21.159
fill a couple of different spots because they're in Like
2569
02:23:21.440 --> 02:23:24.239
colts Ruining Andrew, luck danger With Joe. BURROW i, mean
2570
02:23:24.319 --> 02:23:26.479
you've got to take advantage of like the next three
2571
02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:28.239
or four years before he starts to go in the other.
2572
02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:30.000
DIRECTION i would imagine.
2573
02:23:29.760 --> 02:23:31.920
That's going to be a Fascinating The bengals are going
2574
02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:34.479
to be a fascinating case study on when you have
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draft assets whether you should use them on offensive linemen
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to help your quarterback or wide receivers to help your. Quarterback,
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yeah because they said wide receiver and their offensive line
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has been. Bad their trenches period had been.
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Bad so The cardinals are Releasing Kyler murray not a
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fan Of, Kyler, Yeah, well as A jets, Fan i'm
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just get somebody that can kind of.
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Position CAN i give you a spoiler?
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Alert please?
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Do it doesn't matter who you, get it's not gonna.
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Work you don't have to rub it, in. Dude i'm
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just letting you. KNOW i want you to know THAT
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i was A niners fan before you, were Because i'm
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02:24:10.719 --> 02:24:13.879
older than you. Are, well THEN i lose all respect
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02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:16.719
because you jumped. SHIP i moved you to had to
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02:24:16.760 --> 02:24:19.639
support the local. TEAM i don't live In San, Francisco.
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02:24:19.799 --> 02:24:23.319
Spence you did for a, Minute, sean AFTER i had
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been a fan for twenty years.
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Already CAN i hit you with a line from The
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White Rapper? Show though my buddy just sent me because
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02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:32.000
he's listening right. Now, OKAY i can't REMEMBER i think
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this was the guy who won the. CONTEST i want
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to say he was From detroit and his final bar
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to win The White Rapper, SHOW i got so much,
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CASH i can't Even Ben. Wallets i'll play d take
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the money and leave Like Ben. Wallace i'm telling, you
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this was unbelievable. Television it was unbelievable. TELEVISION i can't
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remember the guy's. Name, okay wanted so badly for that
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thing to.
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Last the.
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Archives we're gonna have to go take a deep Dive google.
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Search White rappers should be some summer. Radio we'll. Go
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we'll just dig up the BEST vh one from the
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early two.
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Thousand, yeah But Jackson dart was definitely dressed Like, snow
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the old school white rapper last night At. MACLAMORE i
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don't know a ton of white, Rappers Eminem, Maclamore, Snow Vanilla.
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Ice that's probably the end of my.
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List Mac miller was, one, right shout out Mac, miller
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and he was actually very.
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Talented that's a good.
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Poll, Yeah, okay nice.
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Sweater, sean thank, you stay tuned for the.
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Drive thanks for listening to The sean O'Connell show'll do
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it again tomorrow ON espn seven h ninet