DC/Marvel: It's All Happening Again

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Because this is something you actually care about.
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This is actually something I care about more than work at all.
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You're not doing what you love.
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You're loving what you do?
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Now we're back to our show, finally.
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Weed out those dicks, as it were.
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It's really kind of a metaphor for how radio is gone.
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We killed the radio star for our podcast.
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You know what.
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I mean, I'm sorry, what was that?
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Drunk passing by?
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He's fine.
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There's liver disease out on the air man.
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Andy, Cap you wife-beating drunk.
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Well, somebody had to.
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Uh-huh yeah.
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On today's.
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Dispatch.
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Ajax, we're going to look at some comic book stuff.
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Hey, Skip, did you hear the news?
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Did you hear this news coming out here, this recent news?
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Is Jesus coming back?
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Jesus is in fact coming back.
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I've been waiting by the window.
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He has a new line of sandals that he is promoting.
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This is maybe the most embarrassing thing that I know ever.
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There is a Ray Stevens song that's very similar to this premise of this bit.
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I'm just going to leave that there, all right.
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So recently at the Comics Pro Retailer Summit that we're all clamoring to go to every year.
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I try to get my tickets, man, but it's like two minutes they're sold out.
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It's faster than the Super Bowl.
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my man, it's crazy.
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Cb Cebulski, the head editor-in-chief at Marvel, and Marie Jarvins, Javins, Javins.
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America's sweetheart.
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The head editor-in-chief at DC have announced that their two companies will be collaborating in the year 2025 of our Lord to put out a DC Marvel crossover.
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I legitimately was surprised by this.
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Legitimately was surprised by this, considering the way that things go, considering that the emphasis on movies and properties like that other media other than comics.
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I was shocked that this happened because I remember talking to you about the old DC Marvel crossovers and I kept thinking like this is never gonna happen in our lifetimes again, like who framed Roger Rabbit, there's no way that fucking Warner Brothers and Disney would ever come together, ever again.
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Who Framed Roger Rabbit again, double Jeopardy.
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So there are going to be a series of one-shots that come out later this year, and this will be their first crossover of the two companies since 2003's JLA Avengers miniseries.
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Which was written in the 80s.
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It was Perez and Marv Wolfman, right, and they never finished it because, like the deal fell through at the last minute okay, okay, kurt Busiek.
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Okay, fine, but I know it was George Perez yes, yes, mr Perez.
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I literally sat at a panel when I talked to him about it and he was like, yeah, we did that a long time ago but they never finished it because the deal fell through for the crossover rights.
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They had to wait 20 years.
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And he was like, yeah, we did that a long time ago but they never finished it because the deal fell through for the crossover rights.
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They had to wait 20 years to finally get it hammered out.
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And it kind of shows, considering a lot of the plot points in it, but it's still kind of awesome in some ways.
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No, it's still ruled.
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When Darkseid is given the Infinity Gauntlet and he's like what the fuck is this?
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And he's just like, oh, it's this thing from another universe.
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And he's like fuck that.
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And he throws it over his shoulder worthless trash, it's a long out of print series.
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They recently released it as a benefit collection.
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That did really really well good good for them for George Perez after his passing right and in 2025,.
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This will actually mark the 30th anniversary of the big Marvel DC event which led to the Amalgam Universe.
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These are all things we've spoken about on previous podcasts.
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Do check them out.
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Go check those out, because we rant about how bad that was.
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Yeah, I think we talk a lot about the Amalgam Universe in our comic votes.
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Oh yeah yeah, worst comic marvel ever put out, um that's true.
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Yeah, that's a.
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That's a fun episode to check out.
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We talk a little bit about these in our different multiverse series that have come out in the past that is true.
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Strangely, though, we have never actually done an entire episode about our big thing where we fix the amalgam universe.
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We kind of hint at it, but we never do our whole thing well, maybe we'll have to see what come to this, because there has been some artwork that has popped up that could lead one to believe that this will be a continuation of some amalgam stuff oh boy, well, 90s nostalgia is all thing.
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But it's tough to say whether that is legit or just fan stuff.
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I mean random Reddit posts and Twitter threads.
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There's no real word has come out about what's heading down the pike, but this is all coming off the heels of interesting fluctuations within the industry.
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Some people look at this as a bellwether that the industry is similar to how it was in 1985, where it needed a rejuvenation.
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It needed some help with its sales and whatnot, and so they turned to these two big companies to inject life by crossing over and combining, which really did inflate the market there for a bit.
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There's a lot of factors that are at play within the comic industry.
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So if you go by, say a Rich Johnston, which Take what he says with a grain of salt, yeah, Some of the stuff he puts out there.
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I don't know if it's really.
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Once again we have addressed Rich Johnston a couple of times I wrote for him for a brief period.
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Yeah.
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Some stuff he puts out is really great breaking news and does challenge the status quo, and some of it is just TMZ garbage.
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Recently he put out some quote-unquote news about the possibility of comic book price rises due to the new US tariffs on Canadian printed comic books.
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Well, that's, yeah, I mean that's possible.
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He stated possibly 25% tariffs that could change comic books from a $4 price point up to a $5 price point.
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Jesus.
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Christ, that would affect For a 24-issue comic book.
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Yeah, oh.
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This could also lead to delays in Pack-free comic book day and supply chain issues.
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The tariffs on China may worsen, but this is kind of also coming out of this could kill printed comics, you really-.
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It could, but let's just let me do some magic here.
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Let me massage you a bit.
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Fair enough, Since COVID-19, a lot of retailers have felt the hurt.
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There's been supply chain issues, distribution problems, a general decrease in comics.
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The Comics Pro, the trade organization that we spoke about earlier.
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When they were speaking to comic store owners in the direct market, they had a lot of bad things to say in 2023 to 2024.
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To say, in 2023 to 2024, saying that 69% of responding retailers said that sales were down.
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Sales of new comic periodicals were down 73% from responding comic shops in 2023 compared to 2022, while graphic novel sales were down 65% in those shops.
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That's really bad.
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That is, book sales went up during the pandemic, so that's a really bad indicator.
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Yeah, they were having a lot of issues and there were a lot of.
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Well, no, they weren't, that was rough, oh hey.
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Hey.
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A lot of comic shops were having trouble staying afloat and a lot went under, but there is some light.
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That approached in 2024.
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Things began to look up for many in the industry, especially if you go by Skitched.
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Is that a magazine about riding on the back of a car with a skateboard?
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S-K-T-C-H-D.
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You're trailing the back of a car on a skateboard.
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It's a really niche magazine.
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They were looking into things at the beginning of 2025, and they were asking retailers all across the globe how things are doing, and generally things were optimistic.
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So from 2022 to 2023, things were pretty dire, but 2023 to 2025, that period have seen things turn for the better.
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There seems to be a general positivity coming out of a lot of what the retailers talked about.
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Some of this has been finding a lot of success in digest size collections and more accessible reprints for new and younger readers, and one thing that's really drawn is actual single sales have increased, not necessarily across the board, but for a lot of retailers they have seen an uptick and a lot of that is due to excitement at the fan base.
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A lot of retailers, when they were asked about talk to, pointed to a few different things the absolute line at DC, really bringing people in the door and not only bringing them but keeping them.
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Marvel, their Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimates line have done stupendously well.
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More nostalgia, not nostalgia.
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A lot of this has been new readers who didn't read the Ultimate line, and these books have been really, really good.
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With Jonathan Hickman, his take on Ultimate Spider-Man and the Ultimates is currently being written by Dennis Camp and illustrated by Juan Fregheri, fantastic book, really pushing a lot of boundaries, really putting their version of an increase, with the GI Joe and Transformers stuff going like Gangbusters, the new Jason Aaron, tmnt run that people are really digging.
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So thankfully a lot of this is showing some distinct improvement and a rejuvenation into people actually coming and buying comics, which I think kind of points towards good things for the industry, not necessarily needing these two big companies to combine and do something.
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Now you do have the looming specter of Diamond's bankruptcy, ooh yeah, which post their mid-90s consolidation of distribution for comic books.
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They have kind of been your one go-to source for years.
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But there's been so many problems with Diamond, from their packaging, their distribution, their lack of update, their FOC stuff.
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It's been always a pretty consistent problem for retailers trying to get product to their consumers.
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Yeah, and they had a monopoly.
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I mean, we've talked about it before, but they had a monopoly on distribution.
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For those of you who haven't listened to those episodes the comic book companies print comic books and you can get them, you can subscribe to them you always have been able to to every major comic book company.
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They will ship it to you.
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But to get it to a store where you can buy it, yeah, after the 90s, there was only well, no, there were some other alternatives, right up until like 2006 or 2007.
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There have always been other alternatives, but we're talking about 90% of the market.
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Yeah, oh, they became a monopoly.
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There were always other alternatives, but essentially Diamond was your, the one place to go to.
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Right.
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It's also how, like most people also got bags and boards and your catalogs for upcoming stuff they basically were the middleman.
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They were the awful capitalist middleman that was the buffer between you and the actual company.
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So it's not like a mailman comes and brings you your comics.
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Most of the time it's fucking diamond.
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That's how you get it.
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But a lot of times they wouldn't bring your comics.
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That's right, yes, which is a problem if you're wanting to sell comics and or buy comics.
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Or they get your order wrong, or if you had to specialty order something.
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Let's say you specialty ordered something, like somebody in a store wants a specific comic.
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You can't just go to DC or go to fucking Dynamite and be like, can I have this comic and you sent it to me, dynamite?
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And be like, can I have this comic and you sent it to me.
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You have to go to Diamond and then Diamond has to acknowledge that you exist and then Diamond has to put in that order and then Diamond has to go to that company and then Diamond has to ask them to print off a certain number so that it justifies how many they can just ship to you or whatever.
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So they were an awful, awful company but because of the monopoly they created, now that they're going under, it's going to create even more problems.
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In the recent years you've had some splitting off, so DC and Marvel both left Diamond to go with Random House Publishing and Lunar Publishing.
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Now you're having other companies, so I think Image has broken away as well and you're having other smaller companies go to some other options.
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You're having a lot more as the wealth is spreading and so you're going to have plenty of comics that will continue to stay out and relevant and be able to ship people how they're going to like, do catalogs and things.
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I don't know yet.
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It'll all be online.
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Currently, marvel, dc and Image they all put out their own singular catalog.
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Yeah, that is paired with the previews that Diamond puts out, but now that Diamond will be eventually, in some form or fashion, not the same entity they are now, we'll have to see how that all shakes out and shapes up.
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You think one of them is going to buy them.
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Oh, I don't know, as long as Amazon doesn't buy them.
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They do do similar things, but they don't do mainstream comics.
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So I'm curious.
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As long as somebody like Amazon doesn't buy them, I am curious to see how that adds up, because they still have an infrastructure?
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They do, but if you don't have neither of the big two, or even I mean third, fourth, fifth, but when they go under, can't you see DC or Marvel being like, well, fuck it, I'll just buy them now, one up on the other competitors.
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Then not have to go through another company, I mean it's possible, just own their own direct chain of, which might actually lead to them bringing prices down Like I could totally see that happening.
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I don't know that it will.
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I don't know about bringing prices down.
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I don't know if I see that happening.
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I know it's American capitalism, so prices are never coming down.
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That's wishful thinking.
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Oh, no, though they should.
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We're not having wars in the Middle East, but gas is going to stay the same.
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Oh, no, birds and, and they're fine, but we're still going to keep the price of eggs the same.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's just how that goes.
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Yep.
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So it will remain to be seen.
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I think a lot of smaller companies will have trouble staying afloat.
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I think a lot are going to collapse.
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I think you're going to see reorganization of a lot of that that sucks.
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It's going to suck, but change is good.
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I think overall this will help.
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At least I'm trying to stay positive.
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I think things are looking more positive than some people are speculating.
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So we'll see.
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And I definitely think this marvel dc crossover will put juice into some excitement for both of those companies outside of their smaller titles that aren't doing as well.
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So I mean I mean, like absolute Batman, absolute Wonder Woman, absolute Superman are killing the.
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You know the Green Lantern sales or action comic sales or anything like that Similar to the Ultimate line is doing so much better than, say, the X-Men universes right now.
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So I think having these two crash into each other will generate some excitement for at least a couple issues.
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We'll see if they can translate that into something else.
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It always does.
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This obviously isn't the first time this has happened.
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No.
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There have been many crossroads between Marvel and DC over the years for a variety of reasons.
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You can go back to 1976 when you had Superman versus the Amazing Spider-Man.
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That was only the first.
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In 81, you had Superman and Spider-Man join again.
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You also had Hulk encounter Batman.
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We've talked about that before it's great.
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We have talked about that.
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I'm just going to lay out some of these.
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This is kind of more of laying the groundwork.
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Yeah, you're recapping, you're getting.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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These are things we will come back to in time, but your X-Men, teen Titans in 82.
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Then you had a couple of Batman Punishers the Lake of Fire in 94 and Deadly Nights in 94.
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You also had Galactus, darkside in 95.
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Silver.
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Surfer Green Lantern was in 95.
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As was Spider-Man and Batman Disordered Minds.
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I had posters of all these on my wall, by the way.
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Captain America, batman in 96.
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Another Batman-Spider-Man, new Age Dawning, in 97.
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This is also about the same time.
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You're having Marvel vs DC.
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That was in 96, along with the Malcolm comics from 96 to 97.
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You also have Marvel DC All Access and Unlimited Access in 97 and 98.
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Yeah.
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Then you're getting Silver Surfer Superman in 97 and Fantastic Four Superman in 99, along with Hulk Superman in 99.
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You had a Daredevil Batman Eye for an Eye in 97 and a Daredevil Batman King of New York in 2000.
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Then we got the 2003 Avengers Justice League, which we spoke about before, and then there was a Spider-Man Superboy in 2015 and the Spider-Verse issue, which kind of counts.
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It's more of a continuation of the mid-90s stuff in the Amalgam universe.
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Which raises all sorts of questions.
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Yes, that was kind of talking about Spider-Boy, which was the fusion Because Spider-Verse every issue is dealing with a ton of different versions of Spider-Man across the multiverse.
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I'm just shocked that DC let that happen.
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Honestly.
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Probably some goodwill from all the Spider-Verse stuff In 15?
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.
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In 15?
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I don't know.
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That seems pretty early Because the Spider-Verse, like the movies, didn't even come out until what, like 1920, something like that 2018.
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Sure, I mean, I'm saying it's pretty early.
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Yeah, that's.
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I'm just surprised.
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My time frames, yeah.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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Good, I'm glad it happened.
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I'm just surprised Even though that was one of the lamest Malcolm I's they did.
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Well, most of the Malcolm I's weren't too great, oh they were all bad.
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We're going to fix them, but before then, let's journey to the past, shall we?
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So you had the mid-90s we did yeah, sorry what no?
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we did, we had the mid-90s.
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I remember that.
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It's true, we had them.
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You couldn't take care of them so you had to have them taken away from you.
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So in the mid-90s you had kind of a boom in comic books.
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You had, you know, the Image Comics came up, your post, jim Lee, chris Claremont, x-men stuff, your Death of Superman these are all big time stories that were covered outside of just comic books.
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You know you had feature up on CNN and your local drive time zoo crew.
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They would chat about it all the time Before we had them killed, before they had to die.
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Everybody's got to go.
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Which was public service.
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We kill them for you.
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Finally justice is served.
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But in the back half of the 90s things have taken a turn.
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A lot of the sales were down, things weren't doing super great, a lot of the crossovers and events weren't really hitting, but you kind of had some new voices step up and take over.
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You had a lot of stuff from Vertigo, you had the Wildstorm universe, you had stuff like the Authority, tom Strong, danger Girl, planetary.
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These were all coming out in 1999.
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It's kind of a turning the page into a new era of comic books.
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Remember, image split up into like 15 different companies In that time frame.
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That's an important context.
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Those guys leaving Marvel to create image created a huge turmoil in the big two and then, when image split up, for kind of the same reasons, they left.
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In the first place, you created wild storm, shadow line, all of those different spinoffs of image with those same creators who left to join together to form a new company.
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Wildcats obviously was jim lee, and so, like he took his intellectual property and spun off and created his own company called wild storm.
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Mcfarlane and eric larson became two big anchors of image and they somehow managed to weather the storm through all that, the wild storm, as it were.
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And then there was, um, obviously Shadowline, was what Not Silvestri Valentino, top Cow, there you go, that's Silvestri.
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An image imprint that then spun off into its own, where you get yeah, and you got Homage and Cliffhanger and Darkness and yeah, witchblade.
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Yes, I think which was also a TV show.
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I think you had a lot of that stuff.
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You can look at it in a negative that it pulled stuff away from the big two and that it splintered off.
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You could also look at a positive that it allowed for a lot of different type of stories and different readers to have more access to different comic storytelling.
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That was going on.
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It was definitely more of a market at that point.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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You had your dark time post Superman, batman movies.
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You know, this is 1988 when blade came out.
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X-men film is still not till 2000.
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So that's when Marvel started actually making movies that weren't direct to video or made for TV.
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Yeah, and, spinning out of that image, wild storm, vertigo stuff.
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You did have more Vertigo titles that were coming, Some bigger creators coming onto the market really allowing to do their own thing.
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You had the Ultimate Universe stepping up.
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That was created in 2002, I believe the Ultimate Universe was really good at the beginning.
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It's waxed and waned over the year, but that allowed for Well, I mean it disappeared and then came back and then yeah, but I mean that was allowed.
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creators like Mark Lahr and Brian Michael Bendis, Warren Ellis different people to those were the British Invasion guys, except for Bendis.
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Well, right, except for Bendis.
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I mean.
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Bendis is like your Geoff Johns, where it's like he was part of that same wave, mm-hmm, but definitely not British at all no, but he did.
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He did a good Marvel run, but I mean there was a yeah, there was that whole yeah, he did.
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Actually he had an Avengers book.
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That was actually pretty good.
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I'm sorry.
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I mean it's not compared to his flash or Green Lantern or his Hawkman.
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No, I know, it was GSA.
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Yeah, no, that's way better, granted, but I mean, like it's not bad, I would, you know, for a first-time writer, pretty, pretty okay, you know.
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And boy, that's a guy that disappeared real fast for good reason.
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Yeah, I mean, a lot of those guys were just like the guys that came over during the comics british invasion in the 1980s, mid-1980s morrison, alan Moore, ellis Gaiman, mark Miller.
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Gaiman's.
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A little before that, gaiman was like your tail end of the first British invasion.
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All of those British invasion guys then moved over to like after they had their DC runs Because Mark Miller wrote for fucking.
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Superman for a while you know like they all had their run in DC, Just like Morrison and just like for fucking.
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Superman for a while, you know like they all had their run in DC.
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Well, I don't Just like Morrison and just like Okay.
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Well, I don't think DC is necessarily where everyone cuts their teeth and they move to Marvel necessarily.
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No, but that's what happened in this case.
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They went to Image.
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He worked on Marvel UK before you ever did any DC stuff.
00:25:06.368 --> 00:25:10.319
Well, okay, ellis is kind of a weird case, though, because he did all of it.
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I'm just saying you're painting with this broad brush and I don't think it applies to everybody, that's all.
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All I was trying to say was that there is context for this, because we've talked about the British invasion before and a lot of those guys were part of the British invasion and then they ended up in no matter how many stops they made in between, ended up either.
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In Image, doing this in this era.
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Mm-hmm, yeah, About this time you're having Mike Carey and Brian Nazarello and oh yeah, Mike Carey.
00:25:35.844 --> 00:25:39.306
Yeah, who's the one that did Swamp Thing after Alan Moore?
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Veach, Rick Veach.
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Yeah.
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Also great run, yeah, yeah.
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True, Really great writers, kind of underrated writers it's just to give some context of that time frame of kind of like falling out of that early 90s hype, mid-90s glut into the late 90s, early 2000s, right steam in strides, new voices, new writers the only reason I brought that up was because I was trying to say that when image split off from marvel, basically it was just a bunch of creators who were like upset that they didn't get and this is context for other people who didn't listen to our previous episodes.
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For instance, todd McFarlane created Venom and Venom was a huge thing in the 90s, but he didn't see a dime extra for Venom being enormous and so they all left out of sort of protest, because Marvel owned their stuff, no matter what they did or how popular it was, and they were getting paid shit.
00:26:31.746 --> 00:26:34.807
So image creator owned Right.
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So they went creator owned and created image, which is their own thing.
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The problem was with early image stuff was that a lot of the guys that left were just artists.
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They weren't even writers.
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There were a few, but not very many, and so a lot of the books were just hollow replicas of stuff they'd done before.
00:26:50.887 --> 00:26:56.263
Wildcats was just X-Men, but without Chris Claremont, and it was just Jim Lee and it was garbage.
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Early on this era the mid to late 90s, early 2000s they finally started getting some of those really good prestige writers, of those really good prestige writers like Ellis, like Morrison, like Miller.
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Those guys.
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They came on to things like Wildcats and Authority and things like that.
00:27:16.912 --> 00:27:23.176
In fact, I think most of those people were eventually a writer on Authority, if I remember right.
00:27:23.176 --> 00:27:24.417
Yes, most of the people you've said.
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Well, it was Ellis Morrison and Miller, right?
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Yes.
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And then Veach, if I remember right.
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I don't think, rick ever had.
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It was somebody else, though there was another guy that went in there later after fucking Miller.
00:27:43.819 --> 00:27:52.515
But anyway, these writers gave credibility to those spinoff company wise and it kind of saved them from the brink of extinction.
00:27:53.421 --> 00:28:04.031
Yeah, there was less flash, like your image and your Aspen and things like that, more substance, which is really what is going to bring the flash of the early 90s.
00:28:04.031 --> 00:28:08.647
That wasn't going to sustain, that wasn't going to bring readers long-term.
00:28:08.647 --> 00:28:20.743
No, which is kind of what you saw with the big pecs, big guns, big pouches mid-90s comic stuff Liefeld oh God, we didn't even mention Liefeld.
00:28:20.763 --> 00:28:22.830
That's funny, we didn't even mention Liefeld.
00:28:22.851 --> 00:28:25.627
Yeah, he's just part of that image group, you know?
00:28:26.863 --> 00:28:30.614
Yeah, I mean Youngblood which just part of that image group, you know.
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Yeah, I mean.
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Yeah, I mean Youngblood, which is also an X-Men ripoff.
00:28:32.728 --> 00:28:33.261
I'm still waiting on my wet works number five, or whatever.
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I'm still.
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I'm still waiting at the door every day.
00:28:35.343 --> 00:28:36.426
He's, he's trying.
00:28:36.426 --> 00:28:43.922
We got planetary number 25 before you ever got wet works number five or whatever some stuff just never gonna happen, and that's fine.
00:28:44.584 --> 00:28:51.249
I'm still waiting on my fell issue 12 or whatever well, you got to find the cab that that script fell out into.
00:28:51.730 --> 00:28:56.670
Yeah, Whatever backseat of whatever woman's car that he was in.
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:05.029
But just to give you some context, we're going to highlight the idea of this episode, which is kind of looking at things, and then the Marvel DC crossover that's happening at the time.
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So in 1989, you had two sets of characters that I'd say were kind of at a down point in their readership and I'd say currently somewhat similar now maybe not as much as 1989, but just in context In 1999, this is during Claremont's fairly dull run on the third series of Fantastic Four and in 1999, this is mere months after the blue and red Electro Superman era that we had a lesser red and kind of drifted into obscurity crossover of Superman and the Fantastic Four Treasury Edition.
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It came out July 1999.
00:29:46.231 --> 00:29:53.489
Now I wanted to highlight this one because it's Marvel DC crossover, which kind of what we're just talking about all in the news.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.006
You kind of had these two characters that were kind of down at the time.
00:29:57.006 --> 00:30:26.752
Neither was being read and having that much great comics being put out and three, fantastic Four isn't doing great right now and Superman, at least as far as I could tell, has been and the action comics did okay the past couple of years and the absolute Superman, I think, is doing well, but overall Superman isn't doing super great, but both Fantastic Four and Superman are having movies made of them in the theater in 2025.
00:30:26.752 --> 00:30:34.907
So I thought it'd be fun to go back and look at one of these crossovers, you know, 26 years ago, and see what was going on then.
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:36.425
I was thinking about that, what you just said.
00:30:36.425 --> 00:30:43.570
I was like oh, that's Superman Red and Blue, which is I know dumb, but it was like a callback to an old 50s story where that happened.
00:30:43.570 --> 00:30:44.442
That's actually it's not.
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It wasn't like original for the 90s, it was actually a retro thing or whatever.
00:30:48.593 --> 00:30:57.709
But that was at the same time that they did a JLA Wildcats crossover, when he was Superman Blue but DC had just bought Wildstorm.
00:30:57.709 --> 00:31:01.547
So, whatever, it doesn't count, I guess.
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.009
Yeah, the JLA Wildcats that would have been in 97.
00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:08.167
Yeah, it was in that same era God.
00:31:08.189 --> 00:31:14.790
he was superman blue for a long time in comic book years yes, yes, that's weird he would.
00:31:14.790 --> 00:31:27.732
He was superman blue longer than he had a mullet well, I mean, both were electrifying, so so one of these days we're gonna have to talk about how lorenzo lamas and renegade is 100% just Nomad.
00:31:27.813 --> 00:31:29.356
Yeah, 100% yeah.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.885
It's the same exact thing, the great Nomad run.
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:39.150
I don't think when I worked at the comic shop we could even give away an entire run of Nomad.
00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:46.048
No, there's no way, we had all 25 issues plus limited series and the annuals could not sell it.
00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:54.229
Didn't Brubaker do a really good job of explaining that character in that run of his of captain america, what he was like a paranoid schizophrenic.
00:31:55.372 --> 00:31:57.083
I would have to go back and read that.
00:31:57.083 --> 00:31:58.365
Oh, I'm pretty sure he did.
00:31:58.546 --> 00:32:15.491
I'm pretty sure there's one issue where they go back because he was one of the buckies and then he back in those days before before the Lorenzo Llamas days, he had a costume, it was like yellow and blue, and I'm pretty sure they do an issue where they address what happened to him.
00:32:15.491 --> 00:32:21.333
It was basically like James Gunn's super or kick-ass or whatever, where he's imagining that he's a hero.
00:32:21.333 --> 00:32:22.744
He's not really anything.
00:32:22.744 --> 00:32:23.909
I'm pretty sure.
00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:34.799
I mean there have been so many Edward Fur and your Ricky Barnes, your Ian Rogers, your Jack Monroe, there's no, that's a whole thing, so I don't remember off the top of my head.
00:32:34.961 --> 00:32:38.143
Everybody forgets there were several Buc-ees and that there were several Captain Americas.
00:32:38.143 --> 00:32:41.729
People always forget that there have been many of both of those characters.
00:32:41.901 --> 00:32:42.528
It's comic books.
00:32:42.528 --> 00:32:43.961
There's so much.
00:32:43.961 --> 00:32:46.365
I mean it's like trying to figure out what's going on.
00:32:46.365 --> 00:32:47.387
The X-Men right now.
00:32:48.308 --> 00:32:54.282
Well, but I mean there's only been three Batman ever, but there's been like five Captain Americas.
00:32:54.282 --> 00:32:55.006
You know what I mean.
00:32:55.006 --> 00:32:57.448
Like it's a little different, but you know.
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.729
I don't know if there have been five Captain Americas.
00:33:00.381 --> 00:33:07.645
I know there were multiple people that were Cap over the years, but Batman has always just been either Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson or John Paul Valley.
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That's it.
00:33:10.770 --> 00:33:11.211
That's true.
00:33:11.211 --> 00:33:12.493
That's definitely less.
00:33:12.493 --> 00:33:13.515
I will give you that.
00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:15.667
It's a Sesame Street episode also.
00:33:15.667 --> 00:33:22.308
One two, three Captain America 1999.
00:33:22.308 --> 00:33:25.819
, Picture it Sicily 1999.
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All right.
00:33:27.205 --> 00:33:29.752
So here's at least a conceptually interesting premise.
00:33:29.752 --> 00:33:31.079
I'm going to lay this out for you.
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What if Galactus had traveled across the universal dimensional boundary and was responsible for the destruction of Krypton and, upon witnessing the proto-Cal-El escaping on a ship, earmarked him for service as his herald of the future?
00:33:52.321 --> 00:33:54.529
Oh man, jake, oh man, oh man.
00:33:54.529 --> 00:34:02.728
That's really funny Because I was when I was moving back here.
00:34:02.728 --> 00:34:07.174
Joe and I were in the car and we were like we had that horrible thing where we were stuck in a hotel for three days.
00:34:07.174 --> 00:34:12.630
I was telling him about our amalgam thing and he's like, oh, that is a really good, interesting idea.
00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:14.041
And he started thinking about it.
00:34:14.041 --> 00:34:16.324
We were both like, hmm, what would you do?
00:34:16.324 --> 00:34:21.748
And I was like what if Galactus destroyed Krypton and Kal-El was his herald?
00:34:21.748 --> 00:34:25.940
Or what if the silver surfer was from Krypton or whatever?
00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:28.643
So that's damn it, it's already been done, fuck.
00:34:30.228 --> 00:34:32.684
It's true, it has already been done.
00:34:33.307 --> 00:34:33.568
Damn it.
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:34.806
Dan Juergens came up with that first.
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:36.545
Of course it was Dan Juergens.
00:34:36.545 --> 00:34:38.646
He did Superman.
00:34:38.646 --> 00:34:42.050
He did all the consummate Superman stuff in the 90s.
00:34:42.050 --> 00:34:45.206
Then he did that Spider-Man run and that Thor run.
00:34:45.206 --> 00:34:49.074
He was doing JLA and Superman at the same time, which was crazy.
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:50.465
Does he have stamina for that?
00:34:50.465 --> 00:34:52.527
I mean, that's a lot of bodies to go through.
00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:54.726
Well, he did it so I guess.
00:34:54.746 --> 00:34:58.340
So I've seen the condoms on the floor he took care of business.
00:34:58.360 --> 00:34:59.445
Don't tell me it didn't happen.
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:05.565
I've seen him do Superman and the Justice League at the same time.
00:35:06.146 --> 00:35:06.806
I seen it.
00:35:06.806 --> 00:35:10.590
He had blood, wind on one end and ice on the other.
00:35:13.213 --> 00:35:13.875
Frosty tip.
00:35:14.615 --> 00:35:17.809
Motherfucker had ice and fire double stacked.
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:19.809
Oh man, I'm melting as we speak.
00:35:19.809 --> 00:35:24.967
That's what we have too, so I'm gonna walk you through the issue here.
00:35:24.967 --> 00:35:26.858
Yeah, please do so.
00:35:26.858 --> 00:35:32.873
You see Krypton destroyed and Galactus is there.
00:35:32.873 --> 00:35:38.873
We jump to the present day and a craft that was sent by Galactus for Superman comes to Earth.
00:35:38.873 --> 00:35:53.931
There's a shadowy figure that sees the crystal headed for Earth intercepts, earth intercepts, but the next thing we see is that Crystal finds Superman as he is in the middle of defusing a nuclear bomb that has been set up by what appears to be Muslim extremists.
00:35:55.237 --> 00:35:56.362
It's not even the nuclear man.
00:35:57.246 --> 00:36:00.304
No, no, it's very much like infidels.
00:36:00.304 --> 00:36:02.222
You will all perish.
00:36:03.065 --> 00:36:03.626
True lies.
00:36:05.030 --> 00:36:05.291
Great.
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:05.961
Right.
00:36:05.961 --> 00:36:08.626
I mean, isn't it, isn't that the same premise?
00:36:08.626 --> 00:36:12.347
That's the fucking plot of True Lies.
00:36:14.909 --> 00:36:19.592
I know that it is racist and has the bad guys be.
00:36:20.632 --> 00:36:21.713
Muslim extremists.
00:36:22.213 --> 00:36:24.614
I don't remember like if they're just like dealing.
00:36:24.634 --> 00:36:32.018
I remember in True what the what their goal was it was after the original world trade center bombing, so it was about, yeah, muslim extremists.
00:36:32.018 --> 00:36:32.637
That was the whole.
00:36:32.637 --> 00:36:38.760
Premise is that they were gonna get their hands on whatever mcguffin yeah, I mean, that was like the year before.
00:36:39.101 --> 00:36:51.112
I wonder if they even hmm that was the zeitgeist true lies came out months after the world trade center bombing, and then this was 99, so we're talking like another seven years after that.
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.545
That was the American mindset at the time.
00:36:53.626 --> 00:36:54.949
Yeah, yeah, it was just a-.
00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:55.692
Which got worse.
00:36:55.692 --> 00:36:59.952
It was just disappointing to see it especially pre 9-11.
00:36:59.952 --> 00:37:05.552
There was a Superman arc in the 90s where there's a Saddam Hussein stand in that Superman fights.
00:37:05.552 --> 00:37:09.731
It's the fictional country of Karak.
00:37:10.179 --> 00:37:11.264
Where Black Adam?
00:37:11.264 --> 00:37:12.186
Oh, that's Kondok.
00:37:12.226 --> 00:37:12.869
That's Kondok.
00:37:12.869 --> 00:37:14.487
That's actually in North Africa.
00:37:14.487 --> 00:37:16.146
This is the Middle East.
00:37:16.146 --> 00:37:19.047
It's like sandwiched between Kuwait and Iraq.
00:37:19.047 --> 00:37:22.262
Nice, yeah, that's good stuff.
00:37:22.262 --> 00:37:24.090
Yeah, that's where we were.
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.570
Well, I wasn't happy to see it, but anyway.
00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:30.862
So this crystal comes, finds Superman.
00:37:30.862 --> 00:37:33.791
It appears to be a Kryptonian communique from his father, Jor-El.
00:37:33.791 --> 00:37:37.289
Now I don't know if you're imagining Marlon Brando or Russell Crowe.
00:37:38.311 --> 00:37:38.532
Always.
00:37:39.101 --> 00:37:41.208
But it combined the two and that's who's talking.
00:37:41.349 --> 00:37:43.449
Wow, great acting and bad acting.
00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:46.106
It's so weird no accent and an earpiece.
00:37:46.106 --> 00:37:47.101
I'm so confused.
00:37:47.101 --> 00:37:48.003
It's so weird no accent and an earpiece.
00:37:48.023 --> 00:37:48.565
I'm so confused.
00:37:48.565 --> 00:37:50.668
Which was the great acting, which was the bad acting?
00:37:50.668 --> 00:37:51.230
That's the good question.
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:51.590
I don't know.
00:37:51.590 --> 00:37:53.094
It depends on what year it does.
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.027
It depends how much wine is involved.
00:37:55.027 --> 00:38:03.273
What if we're just combining old Pope's Exorcists Crow and Island of Dr Moreau Brando?
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.525
You could swap those guys and no one would notice.
00:38:06.525 --> 00:38:08.588
It's like Black Cat and Catwoman.
00:38:08.588 --> 00:38:16.768
When Marvel and DC wanted to do that to bring it back around hey, don't be smirching my cat, ladies.
00:38:16.907 --> 00:38:17.108
Whoa hey.
00:38:17.108 --> 00:38:22.125
But you're not taking a side on which I like what I like.
00:38:23.306 --> 00:38:26.974
But you're not taking a side on Felicia versus Selina.
00:38:26.974 --> 00:38:27.934
I've tried.
00:38:27.934 --> 00:38:29.266
I've tried to do this.
00:38:29.266 --> 00:38:38.380
Only people like you and I all the geeks at the fucking comic book store have had this debate ever.
00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:40.304
I I can't.
00:38:40.304 --> 00:38:43.331
I can't every time I like that's why they wanted to swap them.
00:38:43.331 --> 00:38:45.461
That's why they wanted to swap them, because nobody can.
00:38:45.461 --> 00:38:59.369
Everybody's like oh, they're kind of the same exact fucking character and it's, and it's not like deadpool, and I'm not gonna say you're right, I'm just not gonna say anything just because you're proud.
00:38:59.489 --> 00:39:00.411
Yeah, I get it.
00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:03.882
I get it uh, russell crowe's jor-el comes to him.
00:39:03.882 --> 00:39:14.815
He tells his son that it was indeed Galactus that destroyed their world and that he is to avenge us, my son, before he disappears.
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:15.862
So, Superman.
00:39:15.902 --> 00:39:18.309
He's like oh shit, I got to go do this.
00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:20.688
I don't need help from the experts.
00:39:21.422 --> 00:39:22.266
No, not the X-Men.
00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:23.826
No, the experts.
00:39:23.826 --> 00:39:26.003
So we cut to a little.
00:39:26.003 --> 00:39:30.693
Franklin Richards and he's playing with toys and you see that we're playing with a Superman toy.
00:39:30.693 --> 00:39:35.351
You also see that there's a Batman and a Robin toy down there that he's playing with.
00:39:35.351 --> 00:39:46.853
They explain that the DC characters are from the cartoons in the 616 universe, but when he's talking about it with his mom they reference that they know Superman is real and in another universe.
00:39:46.853 --> 00:39:52.432
So I believe that they were assuming that they're referencing the 1995 DC Marvel crossover.
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.659
I would imagine so, because they are creating and keeping canon even within the 616 universe.
00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:06.288
Well, no, I think we'll find that this is not an in-canon adventure, but so you're saying I'm DCing a Marvel story?
00:40:06.663 --> 00:40:07.559
That's what's happening right now.
00:40:08.942 --> 00:40:10.467
Just have fun with it.
00:40:10.467 --> 00:40:12.070
Don't think too hard, Okay all right.
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:13.887
Yeah, don't look too hard into it, sure?
00:40:14.862 --> 00:40:18.952
So the Fantastic Four are just doing some science-y stuff in their warehouse, as you do.
00:40:18.952 --> 00:40:29.420
At this point in time they'd lost the Baxter building, so they're just in a dock warehouse, I don't know, like Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2?
00:40:29.420 --> 00:40:29.420
.
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.646
Yeah, yeah, actually just like that, because those are always hanging around in New York and no developers bought any of that shit up.
00:40:34.646 --> 00:40:36.748
Blackrock doesn't own that at all, nope, nope.
00:40:36.768 --> 00:40:39.751
Just free space for anybody to move in at any time.
00:40:39.751 --> 00:40:41.572
Do your super science.
00:40:41.974 --> 00:40:43.655
And then cops never think to look there.
00:40:43.695 --> 00:40:44.155
Why would they?
00:40:44.155 --> 00:40:49.103
And then all of a sudden, superman just shows up.
00:40:49.103 --> 00:40:51.248
They don't explain how he got there.
00:40:51.248 --> 00:40:53.434
Okay, doesn't matter, he's just there, okay.
00:40:53.434 --> 00:41:01.014
So Clark shows this crystal that he has, that we believe of Kryptonian origin, to explain what's going on, why he's there and everything.
00:41:01.014 --> 00:41:08.192
But the crystal zaps their computer, stuff in their computer which turns all of their super science stuff against them all.
00:41:09.213 --> 00:41:09.454
Okay.
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.076
Superman is helping to defend them, but then he gets zapped by a probe and kidnapped.
00:41:15.076 --> 00:41:21.588
An anal probe, a large anal probe it looks like an egg, so it's-.
00:41:21.588 --> 00:41:23.318
It smells like Gwyneth Paltrow.
00:41:23.318 --> 00:41:28.652
It's an unidentified egg object UEGs as you hear about in the news all the time.
00:41:29.161 --> 00:41:31.789
He is a pretty talented amateur rectal photographer.
00:41:33.641 --> 00:41:34.264
Get right up there.
00:41:36.101 --> 00:41:36.965
No, I would hate to.
00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:48.693
During this process of them fighting the computer stuff, tech bits start flying off and coming together to create Cyborg Superman.
00:41:50.255 --> 00:41:50.675
Oh weird.
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:56.721
Now, one thing that this does and always pisses me off about Cyborg Superman is that he was a nothing.
00:41:56.721 --> 00:42:06.271
A bunch of tech bits come together and make a cyborg body, but then they show him again with the little bit of face and the coif of hair.
00:42:06.271 --> 00:42:08.789
That is actual biologics.
00:42:08.789 --> 00:42:11.246
How did he create that?
00:42:11.246 --> 00:42:15.166
It wasn't there before you said this always pisses you off.
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:16.753
Does this happen all the time it?
00:42:16.773 --> 00:42:17.842
does Constantly happening.
00:42:18.644 --> 00:42:20.914
Okay, that's an everyday occurrence for me.
00:42:20.954 --> 00:42:24.128
Every time I see Hank Henshaw, I'm like you, fucker.
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:27.525
I mean, is that on purpose?
00:42:27.525 --> 00:42:31.206
Because Hank Henshaw is part of DC's answer to the Fantastic Four?
00:42:33.264 --> 00:42:34.789
If you wait, we will get to that.
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.344
Okay, I'm sorry, my bad.
00:42:36.344 --> 00:42:37.467
I'm sorry You're right.
00:42:37.579 --> 00:42:43.088
I'm sorry, it's like you wrote this in a hotel room, suffering from COVID.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:44.041
Why are we?
00:42:44.041 --> 00:42:46.467
Oh okay, wait what?
00:42:46.467 --> 00:42:48.344
That's a very specific reference.
00:42:48.384 --> 00:42:48.625
It was.
00:42:48.625 --> 00:42:49.965
That's what you guys had just talked about.
00:42:49.965 --> 00:42:52.643
You kind of came up with a similar plot, remember?
00:42:52.643 --> 00:42:56.693
No, all right, anyway.
00:42:56.693 --> 00:43:04.041
Rewind the episode and you'll understand what I'm talking about, anyway.
00:43:04.041 --> 00:43:13.213
So he sees Superman and trying to escape from his pod being possessed by Galactus and begs to take his place.
00:43:13.213 --> 00:43:18.050
Begs to take Superman's place, but he has stopped before reaching Superman's pod.
00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:25.128
Superman then gets enveloped and emerges as the Golden Herald At least that's what I call him, because he's all shiny gold.
00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:26.768
Does he look like Waverider or something?
00:43:26.768 --> 00:43:27.592
Ish, because he's all shiny gold.
00:43:27.592 --> 00:43:28.539
Does he look like Waverider or something?
00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:31.846
Ish, yeah, I'm kind of like an Oscar statue.
00:43:32.085 --> 00:43:35.273
but you know, with the Superman stuff, silver Surfer, but gold.
00:43:35.293 --> 00:43:35.934
Yeah, yeah kind of.
00:43:35.934 --> 00:43:42.251
I mean he's not like he doesn't lose his hair or anything, so he's just like encased in gold in a way.
00:43:42.873 --> 00:43:43.114
Gotcha.
00:43:43.114 --> 00:43:44.907
So like steel, but gold.
00:43:44.907 --> 00:43:50.492
Well, steel doesn't have hair, so oh, so he's like a later Captain Adam.
00:43:51.315 --> 00:43:52.878
Yes, yeah, more similar to that.
00:43:52.878 --> 00:44:02.572
Okay, he is now imbued with the power cosmic which Reed says, combined with his own extraordinary abilities, makes Superman the second most powerful being in existence.
00:44:03.934 --> 00:44:07.369
Well, yeah, I mean, it's hat on a hat right there it very much so is.
00:44:07.369 --> 00:44:08.235
Superman needs the power.
00:44:08.235 --> 00:44:08.360
Yeah, I mean it's hat on a hat right there.
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:09.222
It very much so is Superman needs the power of cosmic.
00:44:09.342 --> 00:44:11.108
I don't think so, but he got it.
00:44:11.108 --> 00:44:12.411
But I don't know.
00:44:12.411 --> 00:44:19.112
Is he going to stack up against like the Eternal or Darkseid, or With the power of cosmic.
00:44:19.213 --> 00:44:26.923
Yeah, I mean, because, like was it Hickman that did the what ifs, those short ones, the one where Thor became the Herald of Galactus.
00:44:27.023 --> 00:44:31.251
They just did a whole series of what-ifs with Galactus just recently.
00:44:31.751 --> 00:44:33.054
Oh really, that sounds cool.
00:44:33.074 --> 00:44:34.155
Let me pull those up.
00:44:34.155 --> 00:44:38.929
What if Galactus transformed Gambit into his Herald, transformed the Hulk into his Herald?
00:44:38.929 --> 00:44:41.653
Moon Knight, rogue and Spider-Gwen?
00:44:42.619 --> 00:44:44.226
I don't care about any of that, all right.
00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:45.719
Well, there's your knowledge of the day.
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:45.936
I mean do you All right?
00:44:45.936 --> 00:44:46.512
Well, there's your knowledge of the day.
00:44:46.447 --> 00:44:46.818
I mean, do you?
00:44:46.818 --> 00:44:49.005
I just like what-ifs?
00:44:49.005 --> 00:44:50.682
Okay, so do I.
00:44:50.682 --> 00:44:51.505
I love what-ifs.
00:44:51.505 --> 00:44:53.347
I married a what-if in Canada.
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:55.862
You don't know her.
00:44:55.862 --> 00:44:57.027
She goes to a different high school.
00:44:58.201 --> 00:44:58.641
You'll see her.
00:44:58.641 --> 00:45:00.186
Just look at the latest issue of Vogue.
00:45:00.186 --> 00:45:00.688
She's in there.
00:45:00.688 --> 00:45:01.231
Promise.
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.202
It's a side-fun episode.
00:45:04.262 --> 00:45:09.530
So Reed tries to grab him, but in doing so he gets zapped away.
00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:11.793
They both get blipped to wherever Galactus is.
00:45:11.793 --> 00:45:20.699
Now.
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:23.141
Cyborg Supes and the rest of the Fantastic Four join forces to go search for them, even though he's a bad guy.
00:45:23.141 --> 00:45:30.188
So Superman has been destined since the time he was an embryo, flying away from the dying world, to serve Galactus' interest.
00:45:30.188 --> 00:45:39.956
Superman quickly acquiesces, despite Reed trying to reason with him, to fight, being taken over or, I guess, giving his will to Galactus.
00:45:39.956 --> 00:45:47.851
There's a momentary memory of Lois that gives him a pause, but the transformation is finalized.
00:45:47.851 --> 00:45:54.302
Reed continues his vain attempt to halt Galactus and Superman's actions, but he is confined and only able to watch.
00:45:54.302 --> 00:46:03.371
He's put in the cosmic cup chair and he just has to take it in, isn't?
00:46:03.391 --> 00:46:07.766
that one of the Orions from the New Gods, the cosmic cup chair.
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.007
That's one of.
00:46:14.329 --> 00:46:14.489
Jack.
00:46:14.510 --> 00:46:20.775
Kirby's best inventions, by the way, jack Ryan's like in every hotel, there's going to be a cosmic cook chair.
00:46:20.775 --> 00:46:21.619
Jack Ryan, is he Jack Ryan?
00:46:22.702 --> 00:46:25.489
Yeah, From Clear and Present Danger.
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:29.164
Get out of my cock chair.
00:46:29.184 --> 00:46:31.050
I think he picked a different Harrison Ford role.
00:46:31.070 --> 00:46:38.913
I know I'm done spraying all over you, but there's enough material connecting the two that you can follow along my leaps in logic.
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:40.639
I get the train of thought.
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:48.735
It's just funny because five different actors have played Jack Ryan, but then you went with a different Harrison Ford role.
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.621
Yeah, but you could have seen it's like quoting.
00:46:51.641 --> 00:46:54.409
Witness and talking about Jack Ryan.
00:46:54.409 --> 00:46:59.887
Oh, you remember Jack Ryan in Working.
00:46:59.927 --> 00:47:00.228
Girls.
00:47:00.228 --> 00:47:06.289
I remember when Jack Ryan, he had a whip and a hat and just Robin Graves.
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:12.273
Wasn't Jack Ryan, that one in 16 Candles that Molly Ringwald was in love with?
00:47:15.681 --> 00:47:16.505
I don't remember who that was.
00:47:16.726 --> 00:47:17.126
It was Jake.
00:47:17.126 --> 00:47:18.967
The character's name is Jake, something.
00:47:19.521 --> 00:47:21.027
Oh, literally Jake, something.
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.367
Well, I mean, it'd probably be more interesting.
00:47:23.619 --> 00:47:25.143
There's a wrestler named Jake something.
00:47:25.605 --> 00:47:26.186
Oh, is there really?
00:47:26.568 --> 00:47:28.172
Yeah, yeah, how about that?
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.063
Is your spirit animal.
00:47:31.789 --> 00:47:32.291
No comment.
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.650
You could just put your face on his body at any time.
00:47:39.731 --> 00:47:40.311
It's me.
00:47:42.601 --> 00:47:44.869
It's better than Jake the snake, that's for sure.
00:47:46.563 --> 00:47:49.588
Oh, that's rough, it sure is Poor guy.
00:47:49.588 --> 00:47:51.791
All right.
00:47:51.791 --> 00:47:55.112
So the Fantastic Four and Cyborg Superman, they gear up to go.
00:47:55.112 --> 00:47:57.815
There's a retelling of their shared origins.
00:47:57.815 --> 00:48:01.838
So, as you pointed out before, they kind of follow along the same lines.
00:48:01.838 --> 00:48:04.219
If anything, one is an homage to the other.
00:48:04.219 --> 00:48:09.583
In a twisted way, both a group of space explorers that get imbued with cosmic radiation.
00:48:09.583 --> 00:48:15.248
But while the Richards family gained superpowers, henshaw's crew died from the radiation.
00:48:15.248 --> 00:48:15.407
Oh, okay.
00:48:15.487 --> 00:48:16.047
So they do the radiation.
00:48:16.047 --> 00:48:16.989
Oh, okay, so they do address it.
00:48:16.989 --> 00:48:17.648
Okay, cool, they do.
00:48:17.829 --> 00:48:18.210
They do it?
00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:20.938
Yeah, because he's kind of like retelling this tale.
00:48:20.938 --> 00:48:31.728
It drove one to use their talents for the good of mankind, while the other resented his fate and the loss of his human body, thus declaring war on its greatest champion, Superman.
00:48:31.728 --> 00:48:32.809
Wow, Interesting champion.
00:48:33.391 --> 00:48:33.693
Superman.
00:48:33.693 --> 00:48:39.536
Wow, interesting, they don't address the Fantastic Four stand-ins in Planetary at any point.
00:48:39.536 --> 00:48:42.898
No, we're not going to do that yeah.
00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:47.070
You're getting a little wacky at this point, Skipper.
00:48:47.090 --> 00:48:48.014
Isn't that Wildstorm?
00:48:48.014 --> 00:48:49.639
They own it.
00:48:50.552 --> 00:48:51.014
I don't think.
00:48:51.014 --> 00:48:54.099
When did Planetary even come out?
00:48:54.099 --> 00:48:56.577
I don't think they was even out yet.
00:48:56.577 --> 00:48:58.050
No, they make.
00:48:58.050 --> 00:49:01.762
Essentially the Fantastic Four are the bad guys in the Planetary series.
00:49:02.309 --> 00:49:03.697
Yeah, which is fucking great.
00:49:03.697 --> 00:49:05.456
They do that in Super God too.
00:49:05.456 --> 00:49:10.797
Actually, the Morgan Lucas is supposed to be a stand-in for the Fantastic Four.
00:49:10.797 --> 00:49:11.981
Yeah, Good book.
00:49:12.661 --> 00:49:13.324
Good book.
00:49:13.324 --> 00:49:18.871
So as they're getting ready to leave, Franklin gives his mom his Superman toy for good luck and they depart.
00:49:18.871 --> 00:49:28.476
Superman as the Golden Herald Again I made up that name, but it fits he finds a planet uninhabited for Galactus to feed.
00:49:28.476 --> 00:49:33.010
Galactus is like hey, did you pick out this planet because it doesn't have any life on it?
00:49:33.010 --> 00:49:38.335
And Superman's like no, this one will serve your purposes, I aim only to serve.
00:49:38.335 --> 00:49:41.659
And so Galactus munches down the FF.
00:49:41.659 --> 00:49:42.438
They find them.
00:49:42.438 --> 00:49:50.626
You know, it's apparently super easy to just go anywhere in the universe and they try and stop them in vain as they're easily defeated.
00:49:55.429 --> 00:50:00.300
As they're getting ready to leave, Superman sees the husk of the devoured planet that galactus just chowed down on and becomes troubled with something deep in his mind.
00:50:00.300 --> 00:50:01.911
But they proceed on.
00:50:01.911 --> 00:50:05.961
They came upon a new world, this time inhabited with intelligent beings.
00:50:05.961 --> 00:50:11.902
The fantastic four again show up and try to stop them, but can't really do much of anything.
00:50:11.902 --> 00:50:16.621
Superman, at this point, has a crisis of faith, wondering if Galactus has a soul.
00:50:16.621 --> 00:50:22.800
No, he confronts Galactus and he thinks about his little green world.
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.961
That was no more.
00:50:23.961 --> 00:50:27.940
He then betrays Galactus but is easily put down.
00:50:27.940 --> 00:50:34.123
In that moment Superman's on the ground from cosmic eye blasts.
00:50:34.123 --> 00:50:39.112
Moment superman's on the ground from cosmic eye blasts.
00:50:39.112 --> 00:50:40.938
Hank aims to gain perfection with the tech of galactus, hoping to become his equal.
00:50:40.938 --> 00:50:48.423
Galactus always has machines that he's hanging out in yeah, very jet kirby things yes so hank's trying to like get in there.
00:50:48.945 --> 00:50:56.963
He thinks that by using galactus's cosmic powered imbued tech, he'll become like the perfect version of Cyborg Superman.
00:50:56.983 --> 00:51:03.543
Okay, if Orion sits in the cosmic cuck chair, then Galactus stands in the cosmic cuck stand up desk.
00:51:03.543 --> 00:51:09.498
I mean, you know what I'm talking about.
00:51:09.498 --> 00:51:11.175
You can see it in your mind.
00:51:11.175 --> 00:51:12.815
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
00:51:12.815 --> 00:51:13.438
I know you do.
00:51:13.989 --> 00:51:19.072
I just don't know if it has the same roll-off-the-tongue version.
00:51:19.333 --> 00:51:21.335
No, it wasn't marketed very well.
00:51:21.335 --> 00:51:24.315
Why do I have to stand at this desk?
00:51:24.315 --> 00:51:29.018
Just watch, it's like the action desk and that's why we have the cosmic cubicle.
00:51:32.710 --> 00:51:33.896
Comes with the reverse quarry hole.
00:51:36.190 --> 00:51:37.677
Sorry, my headphones fell out.
00:51:37.677 --> 00:51:38.179
I'm sorry.
00:51:38.730 --> 00:51:48.679
It is then, at this moment, as Superman rise on the ground, he sees the toy of his visage that has fallen in battle, and voila, he just becomes his old Superman again.
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:50.454
All the cosmic powers is gone.
00:51:51.275 --> 00:51:51.496
Good.
00:51:51.878 --> 00:51:52.438
He just does it.
00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:53.061
Why not?
00:51:53.449 --> 00:51:54.454
There's no process.
00:51:54.454 --> 00:51:58.300
He decides no and he's just back to being Superman.
00:51:58.300 --> 00:52:00.456
He then teams with the Fantastic Four.
00:52:00.456 --> 00:52:04.987
They make a joke about it being pretty easy to change that S on his chest to a five.
00:52:04.987 --> 00:52:14.664
Oh, and they are able to secretly reverse the flow on Galactus's world-consuming tech, which starts to drain energy from him.
00:52:14.664 --> 00:52:17.639
They then give him an ultimatum.
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:25.503
He has to choose to either continue doing what he's doing and he'll have the life force, or whatever drain from him.
00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:27.076
Sorry, Patrick Stewart.
00:52:27.510 --> 00:52:29.797
Or yes, yes.
00:52:32.211 --> 00:52:32.954
Cosmic vampire.
00:52:32.954 --> 00:52:33.456
Right yeah.
00:52:34.072 --> 00:52:34.496
Cosmic vampire.
00:52:34.496 --> 00:52:34.760
You know you.
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:35.608
You know you heard it, you've seen it.
00:52:36.936 --> 00:52:37.016
Or.
00:52:37.351 --> 00:52:42.737
He can promise Never to eat Another inhabited world Again, and they'll let him.
00:52:42.737 --> 00:52:44.266
Let him live and go do his thing.
00:52:44.507 --> 00:52:44.750
Alright.
00:52:45.211 --> 00:52:53.934
Galactus agrees, as the word of Galactus Is bond, which is what he says Alright, superman, read my lips.
00:52:53.954 --> 00:52:55.000
No more worlds, I am not a cosmic crook.
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.710
Just what he says All right, superman confronts Read my lips.
00:52:59.561 --> 00:53:00.204
No more worlds.
00:53:00.204 --> 00:53:02.414
I am not a cosmic crook.
00:53:02.414 --> 00:53:05.302
Why am I combining president's quotes now?
00:53:05.302 --> 00:53:09.422
No, it seemed fair.
00:53:09.422 --> 00:53:10.561
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
00:53:10.561 --> 00:53:11.070
So he makes the promise.
00:53:11.070 --> 00:53:16.141
They flip his switch back, so now he can munch down on non-inhabited worlds.
00:53:16.141 --> 00:53:21.675
Superman then confronts Galactus and says, hey, he should pay for his destruction of Krypton.
00:53:21.675 --> 00:53:27.655
But despite him saying that he craved to eat Krypton we're going to make Galactus pay for it.
00:53:27.695 --> 00:53:29.597
It's going to be a beautiful new Krypton.
00:53:31.135 --> 00:53:33.114
It's going to be the best Krypton you've ever seen.
00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:36.530
It's going to be the best Krypton you've ever seen.
00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:37.050
It's going to be beautiful.
00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:37.489
We're going to make them pay for it.
00:53:37.429 --> 00:53:38.050
We're going to make them pay.
00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:38.949
Galactus is going to pay for it all.
00:53:39.250 --> 00:53:41.115
My good spacefarer, jd Vance.
00:53:41.115 --> 00:53:42.960
He's got it all planned out.
00:53:43.291 --> 00:53:46.576
I don't talk to him about this, but it's going to be huge.
00:53:46.576 --> 00:53:50.260
We've got the high evolutionary working on all of it.
00:53:50.260 --> 00:53:51.411
I trust him.
00:53:51.751 --> 00:53:52.994
He's got great ideas, folks.
00:53:52.994 --> 00:53:54.516
I mean, how can you have a problem?
00:53:54.536 --> 00:53:54.817
with it.
00:53:54.817 --> 00:53:57.481
We're going to take it all the way to the living tribunal.
00:53:57.681 --> 00:54:03.490
We're going to take it all the way to the highest court, my good buddy Darkseid.
00:54:03.490 --> 00:54:04.351
He says he's got eyes for all of us.
00:54:04.351 --> 00:54:06.936
Beautiful red eyes, Omega beams.
00:54:06.936 --> 00:54:08.659
Who doesn't want an omega beam?
00:54:08.659 --> 00:54:13.110
He's got incredible omega beams, god damn it, I know so.
00:54:13.110 --> 00:54:27.119
Superman confronts him and he says but despite him craving to eat Krypton, it was gone by the time he arrived that the crystal had been sent to one day so that he could then piggyback on a ride to the other universe and get Galactus and his power.
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:45.637
Oh, okay, okay, wait is that a retcon, or is that afterward?
00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:55.965
No, so you do see, as the crystal is coming to Earth at the beginning of the issue, you do see a dark figure in space.
00:54:55.965 --> 00:54:58.670
See it and approach it.
00:54:58.670 --> 00:55:00.498
You don't actually see anything happen.
00:55:01.170 --> 00:55:09.193
The next thing you see Then what we were complaining about, about Galactus creating Hank Hankshaw and the whole bionic thing doesn't matter, right, because he already exists.
00:55:09.213 --> 00:55:09.574
What do you mean?
00:55:10.990 --> 00:55:11.976
When he cyborgs Superman.
00:55:11.976 --> 00:55:15.980
We were talking about how it's annoying that he created him with the bionic part.
00:55:16.641 --> 00:55:18.896
Well, no, so Galactus didn't have anything to do with this.
00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:23.460
I thought you said that Galactus manifested Cyborg Superman.
00:55:23.909 --> 00:55:26.012
No, no, cyborg.
00:55:26.012 --> 00:55:29.746
Superman wanted Galactus', cosmic power and cosmic tech.
00:55:30.349 --> 00:55:30.710
Right right.
00:55:31.353 --> 00:55:38.342
That's the reveal now I was angry that every time Cyborg Superman shows up he has that little bit of skin and hair.
00:55:38.902 --> 00:55:39.103
Yeah.
00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:40.615
Even though it's coming out of nothing.
00:55:41.030 --> 00:55:47.432
And eventually he had, like the Rachel or whatever, if you remember that era After he was Cyborg Superman.
00:55:47.432 --> 00:55:53.043
He just went by Cyborg, which sucks because there's already a black dude named Cyborg and you had to ruin that for him too.
00:55:53.043 --> 00:55:55.318
He had the Rachel from Friends haircut.
00:55:55.318 --> 00:55:57.655
All his cybernetics became red.
00:55:57.655 --> 00:55:58.378
This is that era.
00:55:58.849 --> 00:55:59.914
Now Ugh.
00:56:00.409 --> 00:56:00.690
Yuck.
00:56:02.016 --> 00:56:03.112
Yes, no, he's definitely.
00:56:03.112 --> 00:56:05.695
Uh, he's got the long flowing bang.
00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:08.257
But he only has hair on like one side.
00:56:08.351 --> 00:56:13.233
Essentially yes, only he's got like six inches of scalp.
00:56:13.353 --> 00:56:14.175
He's got a half Rachel.
00:56:14.538 --> 00:56:15.320
She just has the rach.
00:56:16.170 --> 00:56:17.655
Yeah, because it was before her nose job.
00:56:17.755 --> 00:56:18.960
Pre-jobbing, I see.
00:56:19.329 --> 00:56:20.634
Well, that's a horse of a different color.
00:56:20.634 --> 00:56:22.217
You know what I mean?
00:56:22.217 --> 00:56:24.041
Hey, you Got nothing.
00:56:24.449 --> 00:56:31.773
So Henshaw then goes to, you know, after he's admitted all this, he demands perfection from Galactus, and Galactus delivers.
00:56:31.773 --> 00:56:42.538
He zaps him with his cosmic eye beams that melt him into a flawless square of alloy, condensed form of a simple perfection, probably without thought or consciousness.
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:43.280
Huh.
00:56:44.070 --> 00:56:46.358
These are many reasons why it's not in canon.
00:56:47.329 --> 00:56:48.436
Well, yeah, obviously.
00:56:49.672 --> 00:57:05.657
Then Galactus just is gone, we're back on Earth and Superman thanks Franklin for his invaluable help, gives him his toy back and gives him his cape, and then he flies away, with everyone smiling as the adventure comes to a close.
00:57:06.231 --> 00:57:11.335
As I close the comic book at the dentist office and put it back down on the table for everyone else to read.
00:57:12.251 --> 00:57:14.960
Oh no, Spider-Man has to fight the molar monsters.
00:57:16.489 --> 00:57:18.197
No, he has to fight Smokescreen remember.
00:57:18.469 --> 00:57:24.237
There is a Spider-Man dentist, one where there's plaque monsters he has to fight.
00:57:24.990 --> 00:57:32.931
Really, because every time I went to the dentist as a kid, it was always Spider-Man and Storm versus Smokescreen, the anti-smoking one.
00:57:32.931 --> 00:57:34.157
You don't remember this?
00:57:36.349 --> 00:57:36.835
No, I do remember it.
00:57:36.835 --> 00:57:39.355
I'm just trying to track down the dentist Spider-Man one.
00:57:39.355 --> 00:57:39.876
No, that's fascinating.
00:57:39.916 --> 00:57:40.731
I would like to see that.
00:57:40.731 --> 00:57:42.590
Actually, it's probably around the same time.
00:57:42.590 --> 00:57:47.813
I was reading all those issues where most superhero dilemmas can be solved by hostess Twinkies.
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:49.740
Uh what.
00:57:50.150 --> 00:57:53.932
You don't remember those ads Maybe those were only only like 70s comics.
00:57:53.932 --> 00:58:02.380
They would have ads in the back where it would be both DC and Marvel, where it'd be like oh no, the Green Goblin is a menace and he's wreaking havoc.
00:58:02.380 --> 00:58:09.465
Well, here are hostess Twinkies that Spider-Man throws to them, and then they're like so distracted by how delicious Twinkies are that they're easily caught.
00:58:09.465 --> 00:58:16.135
And the same thing with Batman and like the Penguin, like they both did that.
00:58:16.135 --> 00:58:17.045
Well, it's true, right?
00:58:17.045 --> 00:58:17.489
Well, yeah, obviously.
00:58:18.251 --> 00:58:22.896
I mean duh, that's why most super villains today statistically have diabetes.
00:58:24.610 --> 00:58:25.494
I mean statistically.
00:58:25.494 --> 00:58:25.836
Yes.
00:58:26.230 --> 00:58:27.452
You saw the penguin series.
00:58:27.452 --> 00:58:28.153
I mean it's not inaccurate.
00:58:28.173 --> 00:58:29.117
Don't tell me it didn't happen.
00:58:29.117 --> 00:58:30.139
I saw it happen.
00:58:31.561 --> 00:58:39.123
Yeah, it was like they would like throw Twinkies or fruit pies at them and then they'd be like, oh no, this is so good, I forgot to rob this bank.
00:58:39.650 --> 00:58:42.838
Oh man, but those fruit pies, I can understand how they were.
00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:45.795
Oh man, you know what I still love the chocolate ones.
00:58:45.996 --> 00:58:47.976
Those are so good, oh, gross gross.
00:58:47.976 --> 00:58:51.474
You don't like chocolate, though that's true, I don't, so it sounds gross.
00:58:51.875 --> 00:58:53.139
Okay, but you know what the best ones were?
00:58:53.139 --> 00:58:56.106
The Ninja Turtles yes, I was just about to say that with the green ooze.
00:58:56.106 --> 00:58:57.550
Fuck yeah, dude, yeah, yeah.
00:58:57.550 --> 00:59:00.780
Well, no, they had green frosting and they had vanilla custard inside.
00:59:01.610 --> 00:59:04.077
No, some of them had the green ooze inside.
00:59:04.077 --> 00:59:05.809
No, yes, that's a.
00:59:05.809 --> 00:59:07.751
Mandela effect that is a Mandela effect?
00:59:07.771 --> 00:59:11.414
No, I used to have one every morning before karate practice.
00:59:11.414 --> 00:59:12.195
I had them too.
00:59:12.195 --> 00:59:17.137
They had green frosting and they had vanilla custard inside.
00:59:17.778 --> 00:59:20.059
Okay, yes, okay, you're right.
00:59:20.481 --> 00:59:21.240
I know they were so good.
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.463
I fucking Mandela'd myself, didn't I?
00:59:23.523 --> 00:59:26.505
I know, I know, I know, I was like no, no, don't do it.
00:59:26.505 --> 00:59:28.346
They were so good though.
00:59:28.365 --> 00:59:29.306
Those were the best ones.
00:59:29.686 --> 00:59:30.568
They were so good.
00:59:30.568 --> 00:59:33.693
Pudding pies, pudding pies, that's right.
00:59:33.693 --> 00:59:35.197
Ninja Turtles pudding pies.
00:59:35.336 --> 00:59:38.782
Let's not even pretend that there's fruit or anything in them.
00:59:38.824 --> 00:59:40.675
No, no, they make no.
00:59:40.675 --> 00:59:43.097
No, there's no pretense there.
00:59:43.097 --> 00:59:45.898
They know exactly what it is, you're eating pudding.
00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:49.239
I know that the other fruit pies were so bad for you.
00:59:50.452 --> 00:59:57.115
Oh, they're still terrible for you and somehow still the same price they were 30 years ago, which is also not a good sign.
00:59:57.349 --> 00:59:58.530
I don't think they've made any more of them.
00:59:58.530 --> 01:00:00.356
I think they just found a box.
01:00:01.090 --> 01:00:07.023
It's like candy corn, where they only made like batch, like 60 years ago, and we're still eating them yeah.
01:00:07.851 --> 01:00:08.755
We lost the recipe.
01:00:09.530 --> 01:00:12.213
Or it's like Coke, where they never trademarked it, they just put it in a vault.
01:00:12.213 --> 01:00:19.373
Yeah, oh man, never trademarked it, they just put it in a vault.
01:00:19.373 --> 01:00:21.501
Yeah, oh man, that necto cooler which they had for a crazy long time after ghostbusters was even relevant.
01:00:21.521 --> 01:00:22.626
Yeah, they brought it back a few times.
01:00:22.626 --> 01:00:26.518
Well, never quite the same no, well, we that's.
01:00:26.759 --> 01:00:37.590
But see, that's one of those things we talked about medela effect, I think it was the same, but we, because it was packaged or labeled differently, it didn't feel like it I bet there was some dye that they legally couldn't use anymore.
01:00:37.590 --> 01:00:41.775
Well, that's probably true, like old red M&Ms back in the day.
01:00:41.775 --> 01:00:42.076
Yeah.
01:00:42.697 --> 01:00:43.880
Yeah, oh, this.
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:44.722
I just found this.
01:00:44.722 --> 01:00:49.215
It's like an enamel pen, but it's the advertisement for the Hostess Turtles pies.
01:00:49.695 --> 01:00:50.036
Yes.
01:00:51.056 --> 01:00:51.978
This is awesome, fuck yeah.
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:53.041
I want that.
01:00:53.041 --> 01:00:53.621
That's awesome.
01:00:53.902 --> 01:00:55.563
I wonder if anybody's just selling those pies.
01:00:55.563 --> 01:01:03.460
I mean, I'm sure you could make them at home, but it'd be a hassle Pudding pie.
01:01:03.481 --> 01:01:04.202
Yeah, you know what, though?
01:01:04.202 --> 01:01:14.161
I bet you, if they do, they are still from the early 90s and I guarantee you they're so fucking gross now, Though they're probably pristine considering all the preservatives in there.
01:01:16.130 --> 01:01:21.757
At least on eBay, nobody is currently selling a legitimate pudding pie.
01:01:21.898 --> 01:01:22.760
It's because they were too good.
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:23.521
Everyone ate them.
01:01:24.822 --> 01:01:26.905
Can't help it, cannot help it.
01:01:28.490 --> 01:01:30.498
I'm glad that you and I both had the same experience.
01:01:30.498 --> 01:01:35.099
It's like that.
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.583
Mr T cereal, or like I mean TMNT, was my favorite cereal too.
01:01:38.094 --> 01:01:44.150
Yeah, that was a good one too, with the marshmallows it was essentially like rice checks With little marshmallows.
01:01:44.150 --> 01:01:49.681
Yeah, and four different colors, though pastel, not the colors that they would wear In their masks.
01:01:50.331 --> 01:01:51.456
Oh shit, I could buy one.
01:01:51.456 --> 01:01:53.958
They've got the original ones.
01:01:53.958 --> 01:01:56.458
One for $65.
01:01:56.458 --> 01:01:58.847
Sealed, 1990.
01:01:58.847 --> 01:02:02.177
Comes with a free ID wallet.
01:02:02.677 --> 01:02:04.474
Whoa, holy shit.
01:02:04.474 --> 01:02:06.335
That was the year the movie came out.
01:02:06.550 --> 01:02:07.835
This is like right at the beginning.
01:02:08.197 --> 01:02:10.356
Wow, that is early on.
01:02:10.356 --> 01:02:13.257
I mean, even the cartoon came out in like 87.
01:02:13.257 --> 01:02:17.739
Wow, I would eat the shit out of it.
01:02:17.938 --> 01:02:18.541
Oh yeah, I don't.
01:02:19.590 --> 01:02:22.179
I would then die of dysentery, but it would be totally worth it.
01:02:22.179 --> 01:02:24.275
I died as he lived folks.
01:02:24.275 --> 01:02:26.155
Of dysentery.
01:02:28.130 --> 01:02:36.637
Well, we hope that you guys don't die of dysentery and we hope that this new crossover really nails it out of the park a little bit better than this 1999 Superman.
01:02:36.637 --> 01:02:45.132
Fantastic Four one did, which was an interesting concept but didn't really deliver and definitely isn't worth the.
01:02:45.132 --> 01:02:52.965
I think the only one I saw online was a $90 copy available in fine, very fine.
01:02:53.512 --> 01:02:55.505
That one is one of the few, I think, I've never read.
01:02:55.786 --> 01:02:59.878
That's really interesting yeah, I think it only came out in the treasury edition size.
01:02:59.878 --> 01:03:03.815
It's very hard to find and very expensive I would, imagine.
01:03:03.815 --> 01:03:07.889
So yeah so on ebay you're looking like there's one that's 30 dollars.
01:03:07.889 --> 01:03:10.614
That's from germany, so it's in german, but like 80.
01:03:10.614 --> 01:03:19.557
Yeah, tough to come by, yeah, which is why I hadn't read it until just recently.
01:03:20.050 --> 01:03:23.306
That's cool that you found it, because I had never even read that.
01:03:23.306 --> 01:03:23.748
That's cool.
01:03:23.969 --> 01:03:27.280
Yeah, well, that's why I wanted to pick it, because I didn't think anybody had read this one.
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:36.195
No, nobody's read that one, so now you don't have to, because I did it for you, because it's not great, so that's fine, it's not great.
01:03:36.255 --> 01:03:37.936
You're not really missing a ton of good art.
01:03:37.936 --> 01:03:41.818
Again, there's, like I don't know, a couple cool concepts.
01:03:41.818 --> 01:03:52.128
You know Galactus, destroying Krypton, making Superman a herald, maybe Hank Henshaw trying to do something, but Something.
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There's also so much that just is not explained and it was like I don't care, whatever.
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Hey, he's uh, he's in uh marvel world.
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Who cares?
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You don't give a shit.
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Read the book, just shows you already bought it.
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I don't care it's like that episode of uh extras.
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When the lead singer of cold play just shows up in the sitcom, you're like, why would you be here?
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Like what?
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Like, why would you be in this episode?
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that's's good stuff.
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Yeah, maybe we'll cover the crossover issues when they come out.
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Well, we probably will.
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See what's happened with those.
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We'll have to wait and see how that shakes out.
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We'll have to hopefully see that it continues to helping the comic market and see how the fall of Diamond shakes out with that.
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But check back and we might have some info on all that as it happens.
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All that jazz.
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Dispatch Ajax, your favorite geek podcast.
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Yeah, damn right, but until that day happens.
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Until, we are your favorite.
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Yes, until we finally make you love us.
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I've been calling and calling.
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Did you not get the black roses I sent?
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I kidnapped your dog and still.
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Hey, I said I wouldn't kill him, okay.
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I gave him back.
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I gave you that clap.
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You didn't say thank you.
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Now the clap's been given back to me.
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Hot potato.
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It burns.
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That hot potato burns.
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Well, when you take it rectally, it does Yep Well your state goes right there.
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All right.
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Yeah, maybe that's how you're taking this podcast Rectally, but even if you're not, please do like share, subscribe, supposit this particular podcast.
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Rate us five poop taters Nato suppositories.
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That might be redundant.
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I don't think you'd have any other kind of suppository.
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If you wouldn't mind, rating us five cosmic cook chairs on the podcast app of your liking, ideally Apple podcasts One.
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They do have a cosmic cook chair rating system, so utilize that.
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But also it's the best way for us to get seen and heard and for us to spread this virus to more people, infecting them with happiness and joy, if that's what we call it.
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I'd also just like to say hey, thanks.
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Thanks for checking us out.
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We really do appreciate you listening to us.
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We hope that we brought a smile to your face.
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Maybe you learned something.
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That's kind of all we're here to do, so we hope you've enjoyed.
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We don't make money off of this.
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It's something we do, what else are we going to do?
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I'm not going to enjoy my life, so I might as well do this.
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We watched Runaway on purpose, yeah, like multiple times.
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And we'll keep brushing Runaway.
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Until you love us.
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Just love us, so we can stop.
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Please send me your bones.
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I don't want any more hot dog spaghetti water.
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Please not out of the coffee pot again.
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Oh shit, she brought out the coffee pot again, oh no, she brought the coffee pot again.
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Oh no, the stereo system's trying to cook again.
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She's the worst, isn't she, folks?
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Well, I'm going to fuck her anyway.
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My son sucks.
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My son sucks.
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He really does, and that kind of sums up our show.
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It's a lot like Pokemon.
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As do the Pokemon, but until they find them all Skip.
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What should they do?
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They should probably keep looking, but make sure they've cleaned up after themselves To some sort of reasonable degree.
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Make sure they support their local comic shops and retailers, and from Dispatch Ajax we would like to say Godspeed, fair Wizards.
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Pudding pie, pudding pie, pudding pie, one of us, one of us Filled with vanilla pudding power.
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Please go away.