Courtroom Drama | Chapter 6

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This podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
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A bizarre case is murder, sexual abuse and alleged law
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enforcement misconduct is unfolding here, and it's questioned the innocence
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of children, a police officer, and a legal system. Few
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people question the Kerr children's claims of sexual abuse, but
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it's the stories of devil worshiping and Satanic sacrifice that
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have some wondering if the children may have been led
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or prompted into saying those things by adults. You don't
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believe there's in satanic rituals.
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Nobody nobody found any kind of evidence to show that
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they would.
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If they have, they're not making it public.
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For the past few years, Sergeant James Brown has been
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the only investigator on the Wilson Kate. It was a
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job he volunteered for. Now he's a suspect in her disappearance.
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So our last episode was all about Raymond Smith, the
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little boy who falsely accused his mom and stepdad of
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being in a satanic cult of murdering Kelly Wilson, the
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teenager who vanished on January fifth, nineteen ninety two, from
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the town square in Gilmour two years after Kelly disappeared,
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just to quickly recap, Special Prosecutor Scott Leefford and his
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pair of investigators, Steve Baggs and Brooks Flagg convinced a
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grand jury to indict eight people for the kidnapping, rape,
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and murder of Kelly. The suspects included Gilmert police sergeant
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James York Brown, and Raymond's parents Don and Tammy. They
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were facing death penalty offenses. But there were big problems
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with Leefford's case. Here's Kelly's mom, Kathy on the local news.
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I feel like you'll have to prove it in order
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for us the family to believe, to believe that he's
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going to have to prove it. Beyond shadow of dot,
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this is all happened, and it's the people are involved
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with Kelly's disappearance, and artist got to maintain objectivity and
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they're going to have to have lord and circumstance argents
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and they haven't shown missed anything.
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Special Prosecutor Scott Lyfford's case against Sergeant Brown and its
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co defendants. Most of the members of the Kerr family
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hinged on the witness statements of Raymond and Connie Martin
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the common law wife of one of the Kerr brothers,
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with a little help from Connie's sister in law Wanda,
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if Scott Lyfford had the goods, though he was keeping
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the details to himself.
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I really am not comfortable talking about the evidence at
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this point, and Connie Martin's not being charged because she's
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cooperating with it.
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Another star witness for the Lifer team had already recanted
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Wanda's brother, Lucas.
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A new set back to Lyford's case is Lucas Gear,
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a Kerr family uncle. Gear is currently serving time in
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prison on child molestation charges. In the Search War, Gear
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is listed as a coroborating witness to the children's accounts
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of Satanic rituals and human sacris. He passed a polygraph test,
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but Nawgere says he lied.
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Thank him, kept nay.
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They wanted something.
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They wounded me to go along with them.
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Oh, they'd lead me home, so I had to lead
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them on to enter.
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Shane Phelps, Assistant Attorney General for the State of Texas.
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Now the Texas Attorney General's Office has stepped in. Assistant
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Attorney's General Shane Phelps and Lisa Turner are conducting the
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investigation and working with the grand jury.
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Reviewing the case files, Shane Phelps and his assistant prosecutor,
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Lisa Tanner knew what they had to do. Shane had
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to drop the charges and clear Sergeant Brown's name. By
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this time, Sergeant Brown had already been released after spending
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six days in the county jail. To cover his bond,
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Sergeant Brown's dad put up the family farm as surety,
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but the city council had already voted to suspend Sergeant
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Brown from the police department. No pay, no job. Sergeant
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Brown was so broke he put his own mobile home
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and pickup truck on the market. As for the curs
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and Raymond's parents, his mom Tammy and stepdad Dawn, they
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had it even worse. They were still behind bars.
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I'll never forget being in jail and going into the
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courtroom to be arrain.
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That's Tammy turned myself in.
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I mean, I'll just never forget how shocked I was, like,
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what in the hell is going on? You know, I
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mean it was just crazy. And that was the first
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time you see us coming out in the orange suits.
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That was what was on my.
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Mind as I'd be like, I cannot believe that that
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just happened. You just feel like you're in a movie,
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you know what I mean. It's just feel like it's real.
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You just can't believe. And all I kept thinking is
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these are smart, intelligent people, you know, because like I said,
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I had all trust in our government, I had all
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trust in our system, police officers, and do the right thing,
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do what they say. They're gonna figure this all out.
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They're smart, educated people. Come on, it just kept getting
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stupider worse. I mean, they had like when they would
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interrogate me, they would have pictures of skulls on the table,
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you know, trying to convince me that I had had
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these babies and sacrificed them to the devil.
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And I was just like, what in the.
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Heck is going on here?
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My lawyer's sitting there going now, Tammy, They're gonna give
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you a deal and give you your kids back in
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six months if you just tell them what happened. And
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I said, Mike, I don't even know what all the
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other girls are saying.
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If I did want to take the deal.
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And he sat there and told me he's up there
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and told me what the other girls were and I'm like,
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I am praying and asking God out of this crap.
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I ain't lying on the one person, and so don't
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ask me again to do that. And because my ownlawyer
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tried to get me to lie and say stuff, this
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is bull crap. When your own lawyer is telling you
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to confess, confess on dawn and lie on dawn. And
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since I'm so much younger, you know, I'm going to
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get off and then we'll fly around and do a
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book deal.
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And this is my lawyer.
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Telling me this crap. I'm like, jeez, I can't trust
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anybody literally.
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Any of this that they alleged actually happened.
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Absolutely none. Absolutely. I have not ever met Kelly Wilson,
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not once. I've never molested my children.
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When she was first locked up, Tammy didn't believe her
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son Raymond would ever accuse her of such horrible crimes.
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After he got in foster care. My lawyer at the time,
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the good one. I can't even think away, he said Tammy. Unfortunately,
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he said, Raymon is a smart kid and he will
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be their star witness. And I went, no, Raman is
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a kurch young boy.
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He will not.
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Lie, Timmy, Yes he will.
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You know.
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That was my lawyer telling me.
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He was, you know, he's being awestome with Timmy.
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They're gonna convert him or whatever because he's smart, and
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they're gonna make him their star witness. And I be
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darned if he wasn't right. I remember one time being
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in jail and one of the guys has books Brooks flag.
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They let him come in. Myself, my one man self, myself,
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and he touches my hand and he goes, how does
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it feel to know you're never gonna know the touch
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of a man? And I just thought, And then he
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looks up at my wall, and you know, in jail,
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you take toothpaste and you stick your pictures on the wall.
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And he goes, I see you're getting used to your
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new home. You're going to have a good married Christmas
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hunchin and he walks out. I mean, I just couldn't
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believe that people were really like that. That's how innocent
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and naive I was. One time I was brought into
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this room and I don't never forget all these big men,
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big men, and there was probably like seven or eight
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of them, and they set me down. They're all looking
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at me like me, mugging me. And they turned on
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this TV and they go, we want you to watch this,
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and I sit down and there's my little Raymond. His
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head's all shaved completely. He's sitting in a chair and
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Anne Gore is on her knees in front of him,
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asking him questions did your mama? And he's putting his
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hands in his mouth and he's mumbling, and she says,
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did your mama do that? And you can tell she's
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like suggests of questioning him over and over and over,
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and them guys are just looking at me like you
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are sick. You ought to be it, you know. I'm
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just sitting there crying and thinking, what is this? What
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what are they doing to my baby? You know, that's
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when I realized my kids are not safe where they're at.
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You know, this isn't what I thought.
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It was anymore.
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For some reason, I always had faith in God that
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it was just gonna get better.
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I always had that faith that it was going to
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get better. I just couldn't believe though that all the lies,
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you know, how these people had.
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So much control.
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And they lie are so bad, and then everybody else
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just lets them. I mean judges. I remember being at
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court and Barbara Best and they're talking about how they
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kept getting these threats and everything. And I'm thinking, we're
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in jail, how can we threaten you? Oh you know
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they were Cannis. We can't call you unless you accept
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the phone called. I mean, there would be records of
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all this stuff.
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And they're saying all these lies in court, and I'm thinking, why.
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Isn't anybody doing anything? Why is this judge sitting here
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allowing these lies when he freaking knows better. I mean,
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I just couldn't. I couldn't grasp it, and I still
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can't grasp it.
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The lurid details and sensational indictments swept East Texas. It
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was all anybody could talk about.
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This case still has many people in Gilma riveted to
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the goings on at the courthouse and wondering if there
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will ever be a resolution to the mystery.
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Every day on the news, we were on the news
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every day for two years.
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On the news.
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Top story.
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It was either Kanya Harding or.
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For us.
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Tanya Harding had nothing on this From Imperative Entertainment, I'm
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wes Ferguson. This is Deviltown. This is chapter six courtroom drama.
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Here's Raymonds stepdad Don Holman.
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I went to a church for about three and a
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half years that you couldn't go the amboree.
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The Yamboree is the fall festival in Gilmer. It's a
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lot like any county fair, parade, Queen's Court, livestock show
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if you throw in a lot of yams. Don is
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a self described Bible thumper. His church back then was
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so strict he couldn't even have fun at the Yamboree.
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You can't watch showbiz pizza, you can't go on a
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trip without asking to get permission from the preacher. And
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I'm not that I was a sergeant in the army.
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I mean I told people what to do in a
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nice way, but they come and ask me, hey home
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and listen my wife. I think my wife's running around
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on me. Would you help me out? You know yeah,
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send her a dozen roses and apologize, you cheat, bastard.
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You know I've been around. I've been a cop before
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in Big Sandy, back when Texas largest man hunt. I
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was a good guy and then all of a sudden
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I'm in jail, going killing, killing eight a seventeen year
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old girl and sacrificed ten babies to the devil. And
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I mean just hateful things to me and put me
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in a dorm with a bunch of idiots. I'm not
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saying idiots. They was all right after I threatened to
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kill them, you know, but one had I kept up
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with him and he got seventy five years from murder,
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nineteen year old black guy. Another one he had tattoos,
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had his head shaved on each sign. Me and him
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used to get a water iglue and work out with it.
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We got along.
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I got along with everybody. Oh and one boy was
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in there in that hole and cell guy. I said,
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what's that all about? Who's that guy? And he goes, oh,
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that's one of them old charm listening curves. And when
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he said that, I walked over to him. I said,
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I said, come here. I said, you see a name
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right there. I said, my name is Don Holman, not Curve.
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Don't call me a curve. He goes, okay. I wasn't
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gonna hurt the guy. But from then on, when he
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woke my my jail, cell, he put his head down.
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You don't, I mean, you don't call me no charm listener.
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When he said you lost a bunch of weight, was
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that fasting? I fasted not to show off. I fasted
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to God. And when they asked me, I'll go get
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you a cheeseburger or whatever want you want to eat,
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I said, ma'am, listen please. I said, I'm not doing
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this to be stubborn headed. I appreciate anything you do.
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And I said, I can't. This is something I got
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to deal with. And I asked one of them, I said,
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you know what I'm in here and she said not really.
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I said, they're saying I'm a rapist and a murderer
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and a child lester. And they said want and I
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said yeah. And I said, and I've got to get
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in touch with God. Humbled. I mean, if David said
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I humbled, my soul was fasting, so fasten and he
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doesn't turn away.
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The Humble Down had a long history with the Kirklan
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local family, who's incest and child abuse got tangled up
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with the search for Kelly Wilson. Don says he was
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not particularly close to Wendell, the Kerr brother who was
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first convicted of abusing his own kids, which is how
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the case against the entire family got started, but Don
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says he and Wendell talked in lock up after they
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were both arrested So when.
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Wendell was telling you about some stuff about his own dad,
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was that when.
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Y'all were in jail.
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What did he say?
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Well, I hate to say this, I really do because
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it relates to Wendell, and I don't like to tell
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on him for what he was already done. Roman He said,
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his daddy used to soldomize him. I said, well, Wendell,
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does he do it anymore? He said, well, what I
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would do, I'd go out work, and he said, I
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just take the money home and give it to him.
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He said, after why, he said, I said no more,
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You're not doing this no more? He said. I got mad,
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and he didn't do it no more. I said, when
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let me tell you something, you're not to hold that
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against you. It's whether you go do somebody else like that.
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I said, you couldn't help that.
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Did Wendall say how old he was when he.
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Was getting abused?
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Young? Young, probably liking grad school.
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Wendell, the abused became the abuser. He was also a
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truck driver, the one who had shipping receipts which proved
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he'd been hauling freight on the East Coast when Kelly disappeared.
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The receipts even had Wendell's own signature on them. Although
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members of Scott Lyffort's team were convinced that Wendell was
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a master Satanist who'd forged the receipts, it should have
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been obvious to anyone else that Wendell had done no
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such thing, whatever his other crime. Wendell, who died in
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twenty eighteen, was innocent in the murder of Kelly Wilson.
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No grand jury's indict based on probable cause. But there
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wasn't probable cause, and they acknowledged that. Liferd acknowledged that.
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To me that Shane Phelps again.
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Credible witness statements could be enough, but this was outlandish stuff.
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I don't think there's a prosecutor in the state of
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Texas who has any sense of what prosecution is about.
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Whoever would have been dieted that case if for nothing
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else for the fear of I would get my ass
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handed to me in court. Because it didn't take long
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for their case just to.
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Fall apart, Shane says the Lifeer team had lost sight
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of what should have been their first priority.
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Prosecutors are sworn to do justice, not to seek convictions,
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and to my mind, and this is a case that
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I've often pointed to as illustrative of this idea. To
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my mind, it is every bit is important, if not
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more so, for a prosecutor to protect the innocence than
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convict the guilty. And I truly believe that it is
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more important to make sure that the criminal justicism doesn't
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victimize in this person than it is ultimately to convict
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a guilty person. It's that old adage about you know,
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ten guilty people go free rather than one innocent person
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going to prison or the death end. There's no oversight
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to prosecutors in Texas. They have the power to basically
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affect the lives of citizens in pretty detrimental ways. Put
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people in prison, put people on death row, you know,
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and if you're not motivated properly ethically, you will damage people.
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You will end up doing more harm than good. When
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I told them that their rationalization was nobody was talking
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to us, they were again in their mind, we know
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this happened, So when somebody won't talk to us about it,
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they must either be lying part of it, or afraid
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of Scott or Little Life or team afraid of law
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enforcement in Upshire County. Don't know who's involved and this
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is how they put it. We had to show them
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who had the power. In fact, there's an exchange with
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Kannie or Wanda in one of their interviews subsequent to
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the indictments where they say the response from Connie or
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Wander was, we didn't know you had that kind of power.
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So in their minds, it would let whoever they're talking to,
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who had information that they wanted, know, we're more powerful
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than what you're afraid of, so you can talk to us.
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That's why they indicted it.
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So they were using indictment as a tool for their investigation.
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Yes, I think that's right. You know there was a
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great deal of ignorance involved in that approach.
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On March fourteenth, Shane was back in Gilmer his first
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pre trial hearing as the lead prosecutor after taking over
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for Scott Leiford. Nearly everyone in the courtroom was expecting
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routine stuff.
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We went to Gilmer for the first setting. Basically what
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was an arrangement on all of the defendants. So they
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were all in the court. I'll never forget this one,
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all in the courtroom, all their lawyers are in the courtroom,
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and the judge called the case and I said, well,
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judge the timber We're going to dismiss everything, which took
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a lot of people by surprise.
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They did not expect that kidnapping, rape, murder. Just like that,
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all the charges involving Kelly Wilson, they were gone.
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Sort of, it is back to square one in the
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Kelly Wilson case. Could happen in everyone. Charges against eight
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people in the Kelly Wilson case have been dropped. The
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Attorney General's office moved were dismissal of the chargers deal
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with a lack of evidence. Judge James Zimmerman granted the
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motion this morning, and now eight people, including Sergeant James Brown,
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Don Holman, Danny Kerr, Eugene Kerr, Geneva Kerr, Wendel Kerr,
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Tammy Smith, and Wanda Kerr, are no longer suspects in
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the Kelly Wilson case. The state says the Wilson case
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remains open.
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This preliminary hearing originally was scheduled to go over motions
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by attorneys and to also look at the pre trial order.
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But after this development, many people are now just scratching
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their heads in disbelief.
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I think the judge was actually quoted at some point
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saying I just had no idea that was coming. I
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didn't give anybody any warning, and there was no reason to.
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Raymond's mom, Tammy was just as clueless.
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I didn't know it was going to happen. I was
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sitting in jail and it was lunchtime, and I was
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sitting right in.
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Front of the TV fixing to eat lunch in jail,
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and all of a sudden, this kicker came on on
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the bottom of the screen and it said all charges
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in the Gilmer Killy Wilson case.
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Had been and I remember just thinking, holy shit, we're
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gonna get out of here.
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That was on a Monday, when Shane dismissed the charges.
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By Friday, Don and Tammy were out of jail unreduced bond.
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As for the parents of Kelly Wilson, they were split
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when the case imploded. On one side Kelly's mom and Stepdadlene.
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What about reaction tonight from Kelly's parents.
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We talked with the Carlsons this afternoon and they said
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that they were basically stunned.
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On the other side was Kelly's dad.
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Robbie worked with James pretty close for the last two years. Firstly,
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my gut thinking the names. He has no involvement in it.
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And secondly, we were presented with no evidence.
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Towards James Brown was a free man, believe it or not.
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Though James wasn't thrilled, but what has happened to me
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to date is a travesty.
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I have always maintained my innocence and still do.
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We would haveferred.
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To have been able to have a speak trial in
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this guy. We would haveferred to be able to take
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Connie Martin's deposition so we can see whether or not.
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You know she's telling me the truth.
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James Brown and his attorney David Moore actually wanted to
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take the case to trial. Sergeant Brown's reputation had already
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been so tarnished in gilmer He wanted a chance to
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prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was innocent,
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not just in the court of law, in the court
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of public opinion too.
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I would ask if he would move back to Gilmour.
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Brown seemed unsure.
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There's a lot of herd, there's.
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Been a lot of stress.
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Well, Brown is out of jail. The knife it seven
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others charged in the will and case remained behind bars.
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Several members of the Kerr family and others are still
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being held charged with several accounts of child molestation. But
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despite that, Danny Kerry today from his jail cell in
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Upsu County, said he was happy to hear charges in
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the Wilson case were dropped.
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Well, I'm more relieved than anything else. It's just like
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I said, all these murder charges were bound. I didn't
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want to get back to my normal life like it's
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supposed to be.
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The molestation trial against Raymond's stepdad, Dawn, was actually scheduled
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to begin in just a week's time, but the Attorney
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General's office decided to postpone Dawn's and all the other
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molestation cases. Assistant Attorney General Shane Phelps had to regroup.
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He just made a bunch of enemies in Gilmer.
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There really was quite a bit of a fure about
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the dismissals because by this time the life Or team
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had really gathered kind of a following. It's almost like
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a cult of people who just believed this happened so
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again in their in their minds. If I step in
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and dismiss them all, then I'm corrupt. Not this guy's
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been doing this for a long time. He knows what
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he's doing and so on. It was I'm corrupt, I
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must be protecting powerful people in Upshire County from this
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information getting out. But I also, you know, made it
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clear that we were going to devote the full resources
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of my division in the Attorney Dental's office to investigating
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this whole thing, and we would be back before the
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grand jury.
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Shane was going to reinvestigate the kidnapping and death of
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Kelly Wilson, and then he'd take the case back in
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front of the grand jury, the same grand jury that
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indicted Sergeant Brown, the curs and Don and Tammy in
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the first place. But he couldn't hold the grand jury forever.
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He had three months.
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I guess. I dismissed the charges in the March, and
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I was back in.
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June Shane Phelps again.
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So maybe three months that's all we did. And we
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devoted thousands of man hours to that case. We worked
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with the FBI, we worked with the Sheriff's department, the
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police department. A big part of that focus was on
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changed around really involved, and we got things like his
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lawyer provided to us his personal diary that that was
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clearly his personal diary that recorded you know, a lot
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of his investigation into into Kelly's disappearance. You know, we
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talked to FBI agents who who were involved at that
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early stages, and we're saying this guy was doing everything
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he could to find this girl. Of police officers he
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worked with, We're talking about the fact that he was
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working around the clock when all this is supposed to happen, Right,
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He's working with people trying to find this girl while
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he's allegedly part of this cult that is were theoretically
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she was still alive, and so he would work to
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find her and then go get involved in It was
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just absurd. I have no doubt we were able to
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alibi him. He just had nothing to do with this.
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Only we had his his journal, We had his He
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was alibied by I think at the time, his girlfriend.
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The FBI. Actually, he just didn't have anything to do
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with that. That's and that made me angry because you know,
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we're talking about a death penalty case, but we're also
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talking about them destroying the career of a guy. And
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in law enforcement. I mean, I don't know that James Brown.
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I mean he was a chargeant in the Gilbert Police Department.
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I did not know who he was. I just knew
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he was a police officer who had been in charge
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of these crimes. And it became absolutely clear to me
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over the next ninety days getting the thing ready to
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go back to the grand jury, that he didn't have
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anything to do with it at all, that he was
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a victim, and as were all these other people, because
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there was no evidence to support like window Kerr. I mean,
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I got those original bills of lading and hotel receipts
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and gas receipts and sent those to the Department of
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Public Safety crime Lab, which Scott Leiford could have done,
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and they confirmed one percent these are original signatures by
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window Kerr. And I knew when I saw the bills
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of lading and his exemplar that it was the same guy.
487
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It was clear to me, But we sent it to
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the Department of Public Safety anyway for their forensic handwriting
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group to take a look at it, and they confirmed
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this was Wendell Kerr. He was out of the state
491
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the entire time.
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In June of nineteen ninety four, Shane Phelps took his
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findings back to the Grand Jury in Gilmer. By this time,
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Shane was so convinced of the suspect's innocence. He did
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00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.960
something kind of unusual. He didn't even give the grand
496
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.119
jury a chance to reindict Sergeant Brown and the others.
497
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The fact is, I wasn't going to present an indictment
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against people I knew to be innocent of these charges.
499
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.720
So I made a decision. I did some things that
500
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:28.680
were somewhat irregular in this whole thing. When the grand
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00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:37.440
jury basically agreed with me, I had prepared a statement
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that I showed a grand jury, and they said yes.
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So I had a press conference as soon as we
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were done. We were in the courthouse, had been going
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in and out of the grand jury. I remember the
506
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.319
press was just it was crazy. There was press everywhere.
507
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.119
They were following me to the bathroom.
508
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It was wild.
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To the coke machine. I mean, I couldn't say anything.
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You know, I'm not going to make a comment about
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an ongoing investigation. I'm not going to tell you what
512
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.400
happened in the grand jury because it's secret. The reason
513
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.160
it's secret. So it was it was a bit of
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pandemonium attached on this and a lot of a lot
515
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.000
of tension, a lot of high tension just across the board.
516
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.359
It was. It was a bit of a circus. But
517
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I understood that people were interested in this case for
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00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:27.559
obvious reasons.
519
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I think he did did what he said he was
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going to do, and that was look at it, look
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at it objectively, and when he did, he dismissed the case.
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That's Sergeant Brown's attorney, David Moore again fact.
523
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Not only did they just dismiss it, he made a
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statement to the media that it won a matter of
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not having enough evidence, but he said James Yort Brown
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is in fact an innocent man, which was a stout
527
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comment for a prosecutor to make, andppreciating him doing that.
528
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.319
Oh, I remember it quite well. I think I said
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James Brown had nothing to do with this, he is innocent,
530
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because I guess that's kind of a personal thing. I
531
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think James Brown deserved having somebody in a position of
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authority tell the rest of the world he didn't have
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anything to do with it. I know the insidious power
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of an accusation. That is, even if it's disproved, people
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will still there are some people out there stood believe it.
536
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.279
And I kind of slammed the life or team. People
537
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:49.799
needed to hear that this was such a disruptive event
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in the lives of so many people. But James Brown
539
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:59.160
had been accused of brutally raping, torturing, and abducting and
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murdering a seventeen year old girl. If I had just
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gotten in a plane and flown back to Austin, how
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would he have ever lived that down? Well, that he
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00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.279
needed somebody to say.
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That, I mean, one of there's so many tragedies in
545
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.880
this story, but one of the big ones is that
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00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.319
so many people in Gilmer still think that James Brown
547
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had something to do with this.
548
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.960
That's what I say. That's the insidious power of an accusation,
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00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:33.440
particularly a wrongful accusation, And those people, you know, felt
550
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great of the same nonsense that I think Scott Leiffer did,
551
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.319
because I think this Scott Leifert wasn't experienced, He didn't
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know how to conduct a criminal investigation, and he was
553
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.279
swayed by this nonsense he was hearing from bags and flag.
554
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.039
Even the victim's mom cappy at first, he said this
555
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.880
is this can't be true, but at some points she
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was persuaded.
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Otherwise, his dad never did. I mean, he was relieved
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when when James was exonerated and these and these indictments
559
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.799
were dismissed. It was you know, you asked the question,
560
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you know, why did I do that? Because, as I say,
561
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it was a fairly irregular thing from my perspective, from
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my moral framework, from my ethical foundation of being a prosecutor,
563
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I didn't think I had any of the choice. You
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00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.400
can't just point to figure at somebody and say horrible
565
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things about them and then when you know you're wrong,
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00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:45.480
not corrected, and that's that's what we did. I to
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00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.519
this day have absolutely no regrets about doing that. I
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00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.920
think it was the right thing to do.
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Shane's decision angered a lot of people in Gilmer. Remember
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Melvin Dodd, the Gilmer school teacher and co founder of
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the Justice for Kelly Wilson Committee. When Melvin read Shane's
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statement in the newspaper, he immediately called his friend Harvey,
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who'd sat on the grand jury.
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And then the charge has been dropped. They were dropped
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by the Texas Attorney General's Office, and there was a
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statement in there they said that they were acting on
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behalf of the grand jury. I'm trying to think of
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00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.159
the name of the man from the Attorney General's Office who,
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in my opinion's totals.
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Come back Shane Phelps.
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Shane, Yeah, Shane Phelps. So I read Harvey Rason this
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statement where Shane Phelps said that the grand jury requested
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that they dropped the charges. This is the way Harvey
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Rason spoke to.
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Me, Melvin. The grand jury took no action, So every
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raceing was saying that that was a lie. The grand
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00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:13.800
jury absolutely did not ask Shane Phepps and Lisa Tanner
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and the Attorney General's office to drop the charges.
589
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.440
But our rations dead now, so he he was not
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convinced then to drop the charges. He would have.
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00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.960
Oh, he was upset that the charges were dropped.
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Now.
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We had on the south side of the court House
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in Gilmer a rally called Justice for Kelly Wilson. And
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I think I didn't go around county, but I think
596
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we probably had over five hundred people there.
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You know, a little bit of knowledge about the criminal
598
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.480
justice system can be dangerous. So everybody assumed that because
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00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:02.320
the grand jury didn't no. Billet said, that means that
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00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.239
there must have been something going on that I fooled
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00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.000
the grand jury in which is nonsense.
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00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.880
The Justice for Kelly Wilson committee would go on to
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00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.199
hold a bunch of rallies. They even protested outside the
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Attorney General's office in Austin, but their protests went nowhere.
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To this day, many Gilmer residents believe Shane was part
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00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.760
of a conspiracy to protect evildoers, and Gore, the CPS
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00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.159
caseworker who uncovered the abuse in the curR home, is
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among them.
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And I talked to Anne Gore.
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She wouldn't talk for the recorders, but she still professes
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to believe that, you know, she thinks she was in
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00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.159
the right. You know, she thinks that she was like
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following this holy crusade or something.
614
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.239
You know. I suppose, you know, I can't speak for
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00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:56.039
Anne Gore. I suppose when you get so invested in
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00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:04.039
something being true that cause was so much damage that
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00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.000
I guess from a psychological perspective, you just can't admit
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00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:15.719
you were wrong. I feel sorry for her, you know,
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00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:21.280
laboring under a you know, an apprehension that is just
620
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.639
not true. We know it not to be true, and
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00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.760
yet in her mind, for the rest of her life,
622
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.159
she's going to think it was. And some horrible things happened.
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And in terms of you know, killers getting away with it,
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people in power protecting other people in power, I mean,
625
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:44.440
it is a fantasy world that she lives in that
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00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.159
I guess she just can't disabuse herself, which is which
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00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:47.840
is tragedy.
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And then the injustice of.
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You know, there was actual abuse that was kind of
630
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paper over, you know, because it morphed.
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00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.119
Into this story as he did. And a Gore and
632
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.039
Debbie Minshew and Brooks slag and Scott or Steve Baggs
633
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.519
and Scott Lafford are responsible for the people who abuse
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00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:17.880
those kids never being held responsible. It's their fault because
635
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.840
they contaminated those children to the extent that those children
636
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.000
could never be credible in the court of law. I mean,
637
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.440
you can imagine the cross examination when we start talking about,
638
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.760
well you also saw those penis shaped elevators, didn't you. Yeah,
639
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.679
and nobody would believe. I mean, these children were horribly
640
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.840
manipulated and they were destroyed in terms of their credibility
641
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.800
and frankly, how much damage did it do to these kids?
642
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.280
It did a ton of damage.
643
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.840
To evaluate Raymond and the Kirk kids, the state of
644
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:56.039
Texas hired a noted psychiatrist named Bruce Perry. His research
645
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.039
focuses on the long term effects of trauma and children,
646
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.840
and he's been an expert witness and a number of
647
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.039
high profile incidents, including the Oklahoma bombing and the Columbine massacre.
648
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.360
You know, one of the reasons that Bruce Perry came
649
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:11.760
into the picture was to try and deal with these children,
650
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to try and sort this out. Can can these cases
651
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.719
be salvaged? And the bottom line was non. I could
652
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.400
not be salvaged. And that was hard, you know, but again,
653
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.920
you walk away as a good prosecutor from a case,
654
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.840
even though you may believe that the person is guilty,
655
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.079
but if it has been so compromised because of misconduct
656
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.360
and the credibility of the children has been so destroyed,
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00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.280
you may not like it. You have no choice. You
658
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.039
have to walk away. And that's what happened in that case.
659
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.320
We had to dismiss and I had already left the
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AG's office. Wouldn't happen, but we all knew it was
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00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.519
going to happen. That was one of our biggest concerns
662
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.400
was is there any way to salvage these cases against
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00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.480
these people who may or may not have I mean,
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I can't tell you at this point. I believe something happened.
665
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.280
I believe there was some validity in those original cases
666
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.360
but it was all just lost in all of the subnunsense.
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00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.840
So not only was the search for Kelly Wilson lost
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00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.800
in the hysteria, there was very little doubt that at
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least some members of the Kerr family had abused their
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own kids. In those cases, they were ruined too. But
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there was a bright side. Don and Tammy hadn't done
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00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.519
anything wrong. Their son Raymond had been pressured into making
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00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.880
up abuse claims against them. For all this time, Don
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00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.719
and Tammy had been waiting for justice too. Folks and
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00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.480
Gilmer were split on their guilt or innocence.
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00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.400
Somebody took a spray paint and spray painted a big
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IM on my car for molester. He had a big Cadillac,
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Maroon Cadillac, and I mean this huge m spray painting
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all over my Cadillac.
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00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.039
So much stuff that want and people were so hateful,
681
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:10.079
big old go limb written across tobacco it and people
682
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:11.840
told me how to get it off. I said, I
683
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.280
ain't getting it off. I drove around town with it
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00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.159
on there. I mean, like you want to call me
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00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.480
a name? I said, Now it's gone. Now it finally
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00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:19.920
wore all.
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00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.039
Don was also fielding anonymous phone calls.
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00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.800
Like, hey, yeah, ho's this. Well I just saw you
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00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.360
on TV and I thought she's good looking and I'd
690
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.639
like to get to know you. And I said, well,
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00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.719
I got me a woman and I'm faithful to her.
692
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:44.119
Well okay, and one of us said, hey, you you
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00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:50.599
that guy like to eat women, you know, and well
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00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.239
killed then eat them.
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00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.639
Don tries to make light of things now, but the
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00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.960
legal limbo was clearly taking a toll.
697
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.199
We got to coordinate and then they cancel it court
698
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.400
they knew they cancel it, and I mean, my nerves
699
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.960
were just shot. And I remember one day I broke
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down crimes so hard, right in the middle of work,
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00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.960
and I was a cashier at a convenience store and
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00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.800
there was it was full, and I remember this guy
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00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.239
walked up to me, goes, baby, we've been watching you
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for years. He goes, You've been so strong, he said,
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00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.800
don't give up now, and I just I was like,
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00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.760
you don't know, you just don't know.
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00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.440
He goes, no, we know you.
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00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:29.639
We're so proud of you.
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00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.559
And it was just like a lift me up, you know.
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00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.920
I mean, this stranger guy knew who I was. I
711
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.039
didn't even know if they knew because that was the
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00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.280
embarrassing part. You don't know who knows who you are.
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00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.719
You know, and I always feel I had an obligation
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00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.000
when I'd meet you people, I needed to tell them
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right off who I was.
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Now, thanks to the bungling of Scott Lyfford's team and
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the CPS caseworkers, the molestation charges were gone. Don and
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Tammy were free and clear, But Raymond he was still
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trapped in foster care and Kelly was still missing. Deviltown
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is a production of Imperative Entertainment. It was written and
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created by me Wes Ferguson. Executive producer is Jason Hoak.
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Audio engineering and editing by Shane Freeman and Jason Hoak.
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Original score is by Robert Ellis. Recording by Austin Sissler
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