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This prayer about
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"Give us our bread
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today," this was a
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daily thing.
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There was poverty,
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and Jesus is very
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aware of that,
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which raises the
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question then,
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for those of us who
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don't normally
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wonder where our
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next meal is
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coming from,
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are we actually
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praying the prayer
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that Jesus was
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teaching his
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disciples to pray?
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I never had heard
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the prayer as being
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about bread.
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In my head, it was
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always, "Give us
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what we need to get
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through the day."
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Is it really
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specifically bread?
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There is something
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to it, Brian
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saying, in that
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we're daily.
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Jerome was thinking
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of this more as how
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Christians will
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take the bread of
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the Eucharist.
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It's not just
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bread, it's more
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than bread.
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So, like, give us
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our substance.
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So that makes the
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whole thing less
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about your
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present anxiety.
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It makes it more
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ethereal, more
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spiritual.
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I don't like that.
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God brings forth
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the grapes for the
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wine that we drink,
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but God doesn't
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bring forth bread.
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We have to make it.
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And so the rabbis
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go a little fun
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about how we have
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to partner with God
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in order to make
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things right.
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We almost never
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really experience
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enough-ness.
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Many of us are
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grappling with, "I
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got too
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much stuff."
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Jesus is trying to
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help a beleaguered
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and impoverished
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people be free.
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And the answer to
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freedom is...
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Biblical scholar
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Clifton Black has
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noted that North
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American culture
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does not equip its
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members
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particularly to
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confess their
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inadequacy.
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Which brings to
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mind Bart Simpson,
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quite frankly.
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When Bart Simpson
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was asked to offer
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thanks before a
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meal, he prayed,
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"God, we worked
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hard putting all
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this food on the
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table by ourselves.
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So thanks for
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nothing."
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That isn't only a
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joke about a
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cartoon character.
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That captures
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something of the
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culture in which we
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stand when we pray
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this prayer.
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Give us this day
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our daily bread.
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This is a petition
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that assumes that
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you may not eat
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tomorrow.
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Welcome to
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Converging Paths.
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I'm your host, Eric
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Elnes, and I'm a
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Christian pastor.
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And I'm pleased
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once again to be
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joined by Rabbi
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Brian
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Zachary Mayer.
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Hi.
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And Zen Buddhist
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teacher Esther
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Freinkel-Tishman.
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Hello.
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Great to be with
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you all again.
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Yeah.
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So we're working
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our way together
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through the
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Lord's Prayer,
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listening for what
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each of our
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traditions, how
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they may challenge,
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illuminate,
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and open up the
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words that
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Christians have
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been praying for
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nearly 2,000 years.
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But before we get
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near to what this
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line means, I want
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to start somewhere
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personal.
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Wait, before you do
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that, can you just,
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for those of us who
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may not have this
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prayer memorized,
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a Zen Buddhist, for
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instance, can you
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just recite the
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whole prayer?
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Oh, sure.
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Now, you put me on
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the spot.
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Now, I have to pray
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this all my life
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and watch
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me flub it.
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Well, actually, why
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don't I pray it?
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And if anybody's
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watching and you
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want to join in the
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prayer,
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you can too.
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And by the way, I
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use debts, not
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trespasses, but
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pray every way you
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want if you want to
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join in the
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Lord's Prayer.
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"Our Father who art
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in heaven, hallowed
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be thy name.
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Thy kingdom come.
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Thy will be done on
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earth as it
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is in heaven.
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Give us this day
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our daily bread,
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and forgive us our
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debts as we forgive
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our debtors.
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And lead us not
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into temptation,
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but deliver
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us from evil.
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For thine is the
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kingdom, and the
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power, and the
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glory forever.
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Amen."
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Hmm.
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Thank you.
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Amen.
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I have a question.
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Yeah.
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You said at the
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beginning, why not,
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instead of me
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saying it,
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let me pray it?
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Hmm.
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And the only way I
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could tell the
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difference is that
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it ended with you
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saying, "Amen."
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Yes.
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What's the
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difference between
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praying it and
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saying it?
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I was
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intentionally, as I
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did in addressing
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God, not you all.
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Oh, thank you.
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So the inner
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direction of what you were.
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I was paying
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attention to that.
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Thank you.
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That's a good
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question, Brian.
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I could feel it.
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I mean, as a
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listener, not
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praying along, it's
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not my prayer, but
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as a listener, I
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could feel
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that I was
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listening to prayer
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because I was
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trying to
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listen to prayer.
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I was trying to
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listen to your
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heart turn toward
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something
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that's not me.
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That's
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bigger than me.
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Yeah.
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Well, now...
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Yes.
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Let's get to that
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opening question,
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which is more
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personal again.
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That is, when was
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the last time you
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had to ask someone
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for something that
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you
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actually needed?
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Not simply a favor
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that you could have
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done without, but
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something you
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couldn't get for
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yourself.
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I have the most
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mundane of entries,
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so I'm going to
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start, so you guys
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can have.
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I had a splinter on
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the bottom of my
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foot, and I can't
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get to that
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part of my foot.
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I had to
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ask Jane to...
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I'm stuck at the
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couch in the living
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room, and I really
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can't go anywhere
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because there's a
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splinter in the
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bottom of my foot,
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and I can't
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take it out.
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I had to wait
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patiently for her,
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where it seemed
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like she took a lot
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more time to get
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the tweezers than I
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imagined it
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should take.
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I think, now
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because you told
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that story, I'm
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going to go back
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like 20 years to
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meeting my
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sister-in-law, who
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is a nurse, and we
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were in Zion
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National Park, and
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I sat on a cactus.
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Oh. And I was like...
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Ouch.
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Ouch is right.
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And so this woman
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01:06:12,458 --> 01:06:13,458
who's brand new in
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01:06:13,458 --> 01:06:14,708
my life, I'm like,
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"Deb, can
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01:06:16,083 --> 01:06:16,500
you help me?"
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01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:17,916
And we went to the
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01:06:17,916 --> 01:06:19,166
bathroom, and I
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01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:21,416
exposed my bum to
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01:06:21,416 --> 01:06:22,708
my sister-in-law,
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01:06:22,708 --> 01:06:23,291
who was new to my
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01:06:23,291 --> 01:06:23,833
life, but it was as
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01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:24,500
he had done.
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01:06:24,958 --> 01:06:26,666
That's my version
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01:06:26,708 --> 01:06:27,458
of the splinter.
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01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:29,583
She's a nurse.
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01:06:29,916 --> 01:06:30,666
It was okay.
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01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:31,625
But yeah, the same
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01:06:31,625 --> 01:06:32,500
sort of feeling of
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01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:33,791
like, "I can't do
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01:06:33,791 --> 01:06:34,750
this myself, and I
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01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:36,083
can't not do
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01:06:36,083 --> 01:06:37,750
something, but
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01:06:38,208 --> 01:06:38,625
don't sit
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01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:39,333
on cacti."
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01:06:39,583 --> 01:06:40,500
Yeah, good idea.
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01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:42,416
Eric, do you have a
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01:06:42,458 --> 01:06:43,958
pointed story?
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01:06:44,041 --> 01:06:45,041
Yeah, well, not as
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01:06:45,041 --> 01:06:45,666
good as those.
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01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:46,958
But I was thinking,
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01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:47,916
because I really
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01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:48,333
try to...
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01:06:48,791 --> 01:06:50,041
I have a hard time
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01:06:50,375 --> 01:06:51,333
asking for
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01:06:51,333 --> 01:06:53,083
what I need.
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01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:54,250
I'm in an Enneagram
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01:06:54,250 --> 01:06:55,208
Five, and we're all
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01:06:55,208 --> 01:06:55,791
convinced that
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01:06:55,916 --> 01:06:56,958
everybody else has
354
01:06:56,958 --> 01:06:57,333
something
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01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:58,041
that you don't...
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01:06:58,166 --> 01:06:59,000
for survival, is
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01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,500
essential for
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01:06:59,500 --> 01:06:59,958
survival.
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01:07:00,041 --> 01:07:00,375
So you can...
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01:07:01,833 --> 01:07:02,833
To admit that you
361
01:07:02,833 --> 01:07:03,333
don't have
362
01:07:03,333 --> 01:07:03,875
something that you
363
01:07:03,916 --> 01:07:04,666
absolutely need is
364
01:07:04,666 --> 01:07:05,500
just confessing
365
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:06,041
like, "Oh, yeah,
366
01:07:06,041 --> 01:07:07,083
this is me."
367
01:07:08,083 --> 01:07:10,208
But I do think
368
01:07:10,208 --> 01:07:12,083
about when I travel
369
01:07:12,125 --> 01:07:13,208
abroad, especially
370
01:07:13,208 --> 01:07:17,208
in a country whose
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01:07:17,208 --> 01:07:17,625
language
372
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:19,041
is not mine,
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01:07:19,666 --> 01:07:20,666
and if I'm not part
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01:07:20,666 --> 01:07:22,000
of a tour, if I'm
375
01:07:22,291 --> 01:07:23,375
in stuff, then I
376
01:07:23,375 --> 01:07:24,291
really regularly
377
01:07:24,291 --> 01:07:25,666
get into situations
378
01:07:25,666 --> 01:07:26,041
where like,
379
01:07:26,708 --> 01:07:27,250
"I really need
380
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:27,500
something. I
381
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:28,833
completely lost. I
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01:07:28,833 --> 01:07:30,541
can't do something,
383
01:07:30,583 --> 01:07:31,083
and I need
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01:07:31,083 --> 01:07:31,875
somebody's help."
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01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:33,250
And that's actually
386
01:07:33,250 --> 01:07:34,000
kind of what I
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01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
like, part of what
388
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:35,625
I like about
389
01:07:35,625 --> 01:07:36,458
foreign travel.
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01:07:37,041 --> 01:07:37,500
Actually, because
391
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:38,791
it puts you into
392
01:07:38,791 --> 01:07:39,833
this vulnerable
393
01:07:40,625 --> 01:07:41,541
situation.
394
01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:43,416
But what's kind of
395
01:07:43,416 --> 01:07:44,208
curious to me about
396
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:45,166
each of our answers
397
01:07:45,166 --> 01:07:47,041
is that we can
398
01:07:47,041 --> 01:07:48,083
think for a while
399
01:07:48,083 --> 01:07:48,666
and remember a
400
01:07:48,666 --> 01:07:49,625
time, a time, a
401
01:07:49,625 --> 01:07:50,708
time like this.
402
01:07:50,708 --> 01:07:51,750
But in Jesus'
403
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:53,083
audience, this
404
01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:54,291
prayer about giving
405
01:07:54,791 --> 01:07:55,958
us our bread today,
406
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:56,750
this was a
407
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:57,458
daily thing.
408
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,291
I mean, this was...
409
01:07:58,625 --> 01:07:59,250
They didn't have to
410
01:07:59,250 --> 01:07:59,750
think about when
411
01:07:59,750 --> 01:08:00,458
they absolutely
412
01:08:00,458 --> 01:08:00,958
needed to ask
413
01:08:00,958 --> 01:08:01,416
somebody for
414
01:08:01,416 --> 01:08:01,833
something.
415
01:08:01,875 --> 01:08:02,416
This was like
416
01:08:02,416 --> 01:08:03,625
Tuesday for them.
417
01:08:03,791 --> 01:08:05,208
There was massive
418
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,500
poverty that most
419
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:07,208
people were living
420
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:07,958
at the level of
421
01:08:07,958 --> 01:08:09,083
subsistence.
422
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,791
And so you really
423
01:08:10,791 --> 01:08:11,541
did have need.
424
01:08:11,541 --> 01:08:12,541
And Jesus is very
425
01:08:12,541 --> 01:08:13,791
aware of that need.
426
01:08:14,166 --> 01:08:15,458
And in fact, in
427
01:08:15,458 --> 01:08:16,500
both Matthew and
428
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:17,500
Luke's gospels
429
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:18,041
where this prayer
430
01:08:18,041 --> 01:08:18,875
is contained,
431
01:08:19,291 --> 01:08:20,250
very shortly after
432
01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:20,833
this prayer, you
433
01:08:20,833 --> 01:08:21,541
have Jesus
434
01:08:21,708 --> 01:08:22,166
basically
435
01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:23,375
reassuring people
436
01:08:23,375 --> 01:08:23,625
who have
437
01:08:23,625 --> 01:08:24,500
food anxiety.
438
01:08:25,125 --> 01:08:26,458
He's got, in Luke,
439
01:08:26,583 --> 01:08:27,666
the very next thing
440
01:08:27,666 --> 01:08:29,125
he talks about is a
441
01:08:29,125 --> 01:08:30,541
man who goes to his
442
01:08:30,541 --> 01:08:31,541
neighbor and bangs
443
01:08:31,541 --> 01:08:32,125
at the door in the
444
01:08:32,125 --> 01:08:32,625
middle of the night
445
01:08:32,666 --> 01:08:33,250
because he's got
446
01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:35,750
visitors coming and
447
01:08:35,750 --> 01:08:36,166
he needs three
448
01:08:36,166 --> 01:08:36,916
loaves of bread and
449
01:08:36,916 --> 01:08:37,666
he doesn't have it.
450
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,083
In Matthew's
451
01:08:40,083 --> 01:08:41,208
gospel, he follows
452
01:08:41,208 --> 01:08:41,916
right after this
453
01:08:41,916 --> 01:08:43,291
prayer with this,
454
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:44,833
"Do not worry about
455
01:08:44,833 --> 01:08:45,500
tomorrow."
456
01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:46,750
And remember that
457
01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:48,208
God feeds the birds
458
01:08:48,208 --> 01:08:51,250
and so you can be
459
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:52,166
assured of
460
01:08:52,166 --> 01:08:53,041
God's care.
461
01:08:53,625 --> 01:08:54,416
If God cares even
462
01:08:54,416 --> 01:08:55,208
for the birds, how
463
01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:55,625
much more
464
01:08:55,625 --> 01:08:56,291
so for you?
465
01:08:56,625 --> 01:08:57,250
Which raises the
466
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:59,000
question then, for
467
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,708
those of us who
468
01:08:59,916 --> 01:09:01,208
don't normally
469
01:09:01,291 --> 01:09:02,083
wonder where our
470
01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:03,000
next meal is
471
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,750
coming from,
472
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:05,125
are we actually
473
01:09:05,125 --> 01:09:06,125
praying the prayer
474
01:09:06,125 --> 01:09:07,666
that Jesus was
475
01:09:07,666 --> 01:09:08,166
teaching his
476
01:09:08,166 --> 01:09:09,083
disciples to pray
477
01:09:09,125 --> 01:09:10,125
or are we praying
478
01:09:10,125 --> 01:09:11,791
something different
479
01:09:12,125 --> 01:09:12,958
from that?
480
01:09:13,375 --> 01:09:14,000
Well, that's a
481
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:15,375
great question.
482
01:09:15,875 --> 01:09:17,583
I mean, I've always
483
01:09:17,666 --> 01:09:18,875
heard those words
484
01:09:18,958 --> 01:09:19,750
as meaning
485
01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:23,833
everything you have
486
01:09:24,583 --> 01:09:25,416
as a kind of
487
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:26,125
invitation to
488
01:09:26,125 --> 01:09:26,791
gratitude,
489
01:09:28,291 --> 01:09:30,208
not as an
490
01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:31,416
acknowledgement of
491
01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:33,666
deep, chronic
492
01:09:34,083 --> 01:09:34,916
anxiety,
493
01:09:35,458 --> 01:09:37,083
insecurity, but as
494
01:09:37,208 --> 01:09:38,500
like poking
495
01:09:38,583 --> 01:09:40,750
a very well,
496
01:09:40,875 --> 01:09:41,541
relatively
497
01:09:41,541 --> 01:09:41,833
speaking,
498
01:09:41,833 --> 01:09:42,666
well-resourced
499
01:09:42,708 --> 01:09:43,791
population to be
500
01:09:43,791 --> 01:09:44,333
grateful.
501
01:09:45,375 --> 01:09:48,375
From a Buddhist
502
01:09:48,375 --> 01:09:49,000
perspective, the
503
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,458
emphasis is always
504
01:09:50,458 --> 01:09:51,666
going to be on the
505
01:09:51,666 --> 01:09:52,666
world of generosity
506
01:09:52,666 --> 01:09:53,041
that we are
507
01:09:53,041 --> 01:09:53,916
all a part of
508
01:09:54,541 --> 01:09:55,625
and this sense of
509
01:09:56,250 --> 01:09:58,916
that it's not yours
510
01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:01,291
and even though
511
01:10:01,291 --> 01:10:02,375
it's not yours,
512
01:10:03,041 --> 01:10:03,541
nothing is
513
01:10:03,541 --> 01:10:04,041
really yours.
514
01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:06,041
We all mutually own
515
01:10:06,041 --> 01:10:06,500
everything. It's
516
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:06,875
still good
517
01:10:06,875 --> 01:10:07,500
to give away.
518
01:10:07,541 --> 01:10:09,208
So the tilting is
519
01:10:09,208 --> 01:10:09,791
always going to be
520
01:10:09,791 --> 01:10:11,750
toward how can I be
521
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:12,500
grateful and how
522
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:13,833
can I have really
523
01:10:13,833 --> 01:10:14,875
open hands with
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01:10:14,875 --> 01:10:15,791
whatever I have.
525
01:10:17,125 --> 01:10:17,833
So you're really
526
01:10:17,833 --> 01:10:18,458
bringing up this
527
01:10:18,458 --> 01:10:19,000
kind of this
528
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000
we-ness there.
529
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:22,958
And actually that's
530
01:10:22,958 --> 01:10:23,500
intrinsically in
531
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:23,916
the prayer.
532
01:10:23,916 --> 01:10:24,291
That's another
533
01:10:24,291 --> 01:10:25,291
little catch.
534
01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:26,291
Like we're not
535
01:10:26,291 --> 01:10:27,166
praying, Jesus
536
01:10:27,166 --> 01:10:27,916
isn't teaching us,
537
01:10:28,083 --> 01:10:30,416
give me this day my
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01:10:30,458 --> 01:10:31,333
daily bread, but
539
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:33,125
rather give us this
540
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:34,708
day power.
541
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,666
I agree. We're
542
01:10:38,666 --> 01:10:39,291
going to follow
543
01:10:39,291 --> 01:10:41,125
with forgive us as
544
01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:42,416
we forgive others.
545
01:10:42,625 --> 01:10:43,833
The whole prayer is
546
01:10:44,291 --> 01:10:45,833
in this first
547
01:10:46,250 --> 01:10:47,416
person plural.
548
01:10:47,541 --> 01:10:48,208
Yes.
549
01:10:48,833 --> 01:10:50,708
I never had heard
550
01:10:50,708 --> 01:10:52,708
the prayer till you
551
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,583
just did, Eric, as
552
01:10:56,583 --> 01:10:57,833
being about bread.
553
01:10:58,958 --> 01:11:00,291
In my head, it was
554
01:11:00,291 --> 01:11:02,708
always give us what
555
01:11:02,708 --> 01:11:03,833
we need to get
556
01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:04,666
through the day.
557
01:11:05,458 --> 01:11:06,208
Is it really
558
01:11:06,208 --> 01:11:07,250
specifically bread?
559
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:08,458
Well, that's a
560
01:11:08,458 --> 01:11:09,500
good. Oh, yes, it
561
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:09,916
is. It's
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01:11:09,916 --> 01:11:11,416
specifically bread.
563
01:11:11,916 --> 01:11:13,791
However, there is
564
01:11:13,791 --> 01:11:14,541
something to it,
565
01:11:14,541 --> 01:11:15,541
Brian saying in
566
01:11:15,541 --> 01:11:17,500
that that that word
567
01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:20,208
daily is actually
568
01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:21,583
in Greek.
569
01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:23,666
It's a word that
570
01:11:23,791 --> 01:11:26,000
only occurs in this
571
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,708
prayer and no other
572
01:11:28,708 --> 01:11:29,666
place that we're
573
01:11:29,666 --> 01:11:30,833
aware of anywhere
574
01:11:30,833 --> 01:11:31,666
else in Greek.
575
01:11:32,041 --> 01:11:33,833
Like so it's called
576
01:11:33,833 --> 01:11:35,625
epiousios.
577
01:11:36,208 --> 01:11:39,208
And so like people
578
01:11:39,458 --> 01:11:39,958
from the very
579
01:11:39,958 --> 01:11:40,458
beginning, they're
580
01:11:40,458 --> 01:11:41,000
wondering what does
581
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,416
this word
582
01:11:42,416 --> 01:11:43,166
mean when they read
583
01:11:43,166 --> 01:11:44,250
this in the Greek
584
01:11:44,708 --> 01:11:45,666
New Testament?
585
01:11:45,916 --> 01:11:46,750
And so even in the
586
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:47,583
early centuries,
587
01:11:47,583 --> 01:11:48,458
like you get like
588
01:11:48,458 --> 01:11:49,333
there's no better
589
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:50,166
Greek scholar than
590
01:11:50,208 --> 01:11:51,125
Origen in the early
591
01:11:51,125 --> 01:11:51,583
centuries of the
592
01:11:51,583 --> 01:11:52,208
Christian church.
593
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,333
He says, I'm not
594
01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:54,208
aware of anywhere
595
01:11:54,583 --> 01:11:56,000
at all that where
596
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,916
this word occurs
597
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,500
elsewhere.
598
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:58,583
Can I, I'm going to
599
01:11:58,583 --> 01:11:59,250
time out
600
01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:00,208
and help it.
601
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:01,250
So there's this
602
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:02,458
problem in biblical
603
01:12:02,458 --> 01:12:04,083
studies called it's
604
01:12:04,083 --> 01:12:05,125
called Hapax
605
01:12:05,125 --> 01:12:05,708
legomenon
606
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:06,041
That's
607
01:12:06,041 --> 01:12:06,750
what this is.
608
01:12:07,375 --> 01:12:07,916
Where it only
609
01:12:07,916 --> 01:12:08,750
appears once.
610
01:12:09,041 --> 01:12:09,833
It's a word that
611
01:12:09,833 --> 01:12:10,125
only
612
01:12:10,125 --> 01:12:11,125
appears one time.
613
01:12:11,333 --> 01:12:11,833
And the problem
614
01:12:11,833 --> 01:12:13,291
with that is you
615
01:12:13,291 --> 01:12:14,125
can't figure out
616
01:12:14,125 --> 01:12:15,291
from context clues
617
01:12:15,291 --> 01:12:16,000
if the word only
618
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,083
happens one time.
619
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:17,791
What does
620
01:12:17,791 --> 01:12:18,500
this mean?
621
01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:19,458
Thank you for
622
01:12:19,791 --> 01:12:20,541
giving the listener
623
01:12:20,541 --> 01:12:21,333
the reason why this
624
01:12:21,333 --> 01:12:21,833
is important.
625
01:12:22,958 --> 01:12:24,833
So, so that's
626
01:12:24,833 --> 01:12:25,791
fascinating that we
627
01:12:25,791 --> 01:12:27,000
don't give us this
628
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,125
day our daily
629
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:30,500
something was the
630
01:12:31,083 --> 01:12:32,250
word that Origen
631
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:32,666
didn't know
632
01:12:32,666 --> 01:12:33,166
what it meant.
633
01:12:33,166 --> 01:12:34,791
Was that the bread
634
01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:35,458
word or the
635
01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:36,250
daily word?
636
01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:36,833
It's the
637
01:12:36,833 --> 01:12:38,666
daily word.
638
01:12:38,916 --> 01:12:40,500
So give us this day
639
01:12:40,541 --> 01:12:41,500
our blankety
640
01:12:41,541 --> 01:12:42,458
blank bread.
641
01:12:42,541 --> 01:12:43,625
Yeah.
642
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:46,166
And so, you know,
643
01:12:46,166 --> 01:12:47,416
Greek had different
644
01:12:47,416 --> 01:12:48,541
words for daily,
645
01:12:48,541 --> 01:12:49,000
which could have
646
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,250
been
647
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:50,541
thrown in there.
648
01:12:50,875 --> 01:12:51,666
When you go to the
649
01:12:51,708 --> 01:12:53,583
Aramaic version of
650
01:12:53,583 --> 01:12:55,541
this, they did have
651
01:12:55,541 --> 01:12:56,541
a word, machar,
652
01:12:57,125 --> 01:12:57,833
which means the
653
01:12:57,833 --> 01:12:58,958
bread for tomorrow.
654
01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:00,208
Now, when Jerome,
655
01:13:00,208 --> 01:13:01,041
who first
656
01:13:01,041 --> 01:13:02,625
translated from the
657
01:13:02,625 --> 01:13:03,500
Greek to the Latin,
658
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:04,458
he translated it as
659
01:13:04,666 --> 01:13:06,416
supersubstantialem.
660
01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:08,541
Like what
661
01:13:08,625 --> 01:13:09,750
that means.
662
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:10,083
Yeah.
663
01:13:10,083 --> 01:13:10,416
Yeah.
664
01:13:10,583 --> 01:13:11,541
What he was doing
665
01:13:11,541 --> 01:13:12,916
was epi means in
666
01:13:12,916 --> 01:13:15,208
Greek above or upon
667
01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:17,208
and then ousia means
668
01:13:17,208 --> 01:13:17,916
work, right?
669
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:18,750
No, being
670
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:19,666
or essence.
671
01:13:19,875 --> 01:13:21,208
So he's like, OK,
672
01:13:21,291 --> 01:13:23,500
above being or like
673
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,041
beyond, like super,
674
01:13:25,041 --> 01:13:27,500
super beyond this.
675
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,250
Give us today our
676
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:30,541
daily beyondness.
677
01:13:30,833 --> 01:13:31,583
No, not daily.
678
01:13:31,583 --> 01:13:33,500
Give us today our
679
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:34,000
super
680
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,041
substantial bread.
681
01:13:35,708 --> 01:13:39,000
That goes with like
682
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:39,916
the bread being the
683
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:40,625
something of
684
01:13:40,625 --> 01:13:41,791
life, right?
685
01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:42,958
The bread is the
686
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,333
staff of life.
687
01:13:44,666 --> 01:13:45,416
Bread is the
688
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:46,916
foundation of
689
01:13:46,916 --> 01:13:47,666
our culture.
690
01:13:47,833 --> 01:13:48,666
Yeah.
691
01:13:48,666 --> 01:13:49,958
And of course, if
692
01:13:49,958 --> 01:13:50,666
you just go daily,
693
01:13:50,666 --> 01:13:51,375
that would make
694
01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:52,541
working out
695
01:13:52,583 --> 01:13:53,208
perfectly that
696
01:13:53,208 --> 01:13:53,958
where Jerome was
697
01:13:53,958 --> 01:13:54,375
getting with that
698
01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:55,791
supersubstantialem
699
01:13:55,791 --> 01:13:57,500
that was more like
700
01:13:57,791 --> 01:13:58,375
thinking of this
701
01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,708
more as an essence.
702
01:13:59,708 --> 01:14:00,291
Like you think
703
01:14:00,291 --> 01:14:01,375
about like how
704
01:14:01,375 --> 01:14:01,916
Christians will
705
01:14:01,916 --> 01:14:03,750
take the the bread
706
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:04,666
of the of the
707
01:14:04,666 --> 01:14:05,416
Eucharist.
708
01:14:05,541 --> 01:14:06,250
You're like, that's
709
01:14:06,291 --> 01:14:07,583
this is super.
710
01:14:07,708 --> 01:14:08,083
It's not
711
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:08,666
just bread.
712
01:14:08,666 --> 01:14:09,500
It's more
713
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,041
than bread.
714
01:14:10,541 --> 01:14:11,416
So like give us
715
01:14:11,458 --> 01:14:13,333
our, you know, our
716
01:14:13,333 --> 01:14:14,541
substance.
717
01:14:14,541 --> 01:14:15,291
So that makes the
718
01:14:15,291 --> 01:14:16,375
whole thing less
719
01:14:16,375 --> 01:14:17,416
about your present
720
01:14:17,416 --> 01:14:19,750
anxiety that like
721
01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:20,541
subsistence
722
01:14:20,541 --> 01:14:21,250
culture.
723
01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:22,916
I'm really worried
724
01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:24,000
about where my next
725
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,166
meal is coming from
726
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:26,750
and more, you know,
727
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:28,375
it makes it more
728
01:14:28,375 --> 01:14:29,250
ethereal, more
729
01:14:29,250 --> 01:14:29,958
spiritual.
730
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,458
I don't like
731
01:14:30,458 --> 01:14:31,250
that reading.
732
01:14:31,708 --> 01:14:32,458
Yeah, definitely.
733
01:14:32,541 --> 01:14:33,083
Yeah, definitely
734
01:14:33,083 --> 01:14:33,500
makes it more
735
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:34,375
spiritualized.
736
01:14:34,625 --> 01:14:35,416
But basically,
737
01:14:35,416 --> 01:14:36,291
there's you know,
738
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:37,250
there were three
739
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:38,458
primary ways that
740
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:39,750
the ancients
741
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:40,791
and biblical
742
01:14:40,875 --> 01:14:41,458
have come down that
743
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:43,166
either give us what
744
01:14:43,166 --> 01:14:44,541
we need to survive,
745
01:14:44,541 --> 01:14:45,291
which might get to
746
01:14:45,291 --> 01:14:46,000
that
747
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,916
supersubstantial in more
748
01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:48,000
concrete ways.
749
01:14:48,041 --> 01:14:48,375
Yeah.
750
01:14:48,666 --> 01:14:49,291
And then there's
751
01:14:49,375 --> 01:14:50,333
give us today's
752
01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:51,041
bread or our
753
01:14:51,041 --> 01:14:51,625
daily bread.
754
01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:52,708
And then there's
755
01:14:52,708 --> 01:14:54,083
give us tomorrow's
756
01:14:54,083 --> 01:14:55,250
bread today.
757
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:57,916
That sounds like
758
01:14:57,916 --> 01:14:58,250
something
759
01:14:58,250 --> 01:15:01,208
out of windy.
760
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:03,041
How kindly pay you
761
01:15:03,041 --> 01:15:03,625
tomorrow.
762
01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:06,750
Well, but that
763
01:15:06,791 --> 01:15:07,375
that's coming from
764
01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:07,500
that
765
01:15:07,541 --> 01:15:08,333
Aramaic version.
766
01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:10,000
I mean, it ends up
767
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,583
being so much like
768
01:15:11,583 --> 01:15:14,916
what do you, what
769
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,500
is this, what is
770
01:15:16,583 --> 01:15:17,125
Jesus
771
01:15:17,125 --> 01:15:18,208
teaching us to ask
772
01:15:18,208 --> 01:15:19,750
for? Because He's
773
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:20,541
teaching us to pray
774
01:15:20,541 --> 01:15:21,625
here, right? That's
775
01:15:21,625 --> 01:15:22,500
the whole point of
776
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:23,166
the Lord's Prayer.
777
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:23,750
He's like, here's
778
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:24,250
how you should
779
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,666
pray. And if He
780
01:15:26,708 --> 01:15:27,541
then goes on to
781
01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:28,166
say, you know,
782
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:30,416
the lilies toil
783
01:15:30,416 --> 01:15:31,750
not, the birds are
784
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:34,250
fed. I mean, then
785
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:35,166
it does suggest
786
01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:36,000
He's, this
787
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,791
is directly
788
01:15:37,041 --> 01:15:37,750
addressing a
789
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:38,125
present
790
01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:39,250
moment anxiety.
791
01:15:39,458 --> 01:15:40,500
Yeah. And maybe
792
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:42,500
also, you know,
793
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:43,666
reminding us, hey,
794
01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:45,333
we are god's. I
795
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:45,916
think about
796
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:46,916
like, Brian,
797
01:15:46,916 --> 01:15:47,458
I'm sure you could
798
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,583
elucidate this
799
01:15:48,583 --> 01:15:49,291
better than I could
800
01:15:49,291 --> 01:15:50,333
even, you know,
801
01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:50,750
think about
802
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:51,291
the manna,
803
01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:52,208
you know, that that
804
01:15:52,208 --> 01:15:52,750
tradition.
805
01:15:52,958 --> 01:15:53,583
Yeah, I was
806
01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:54,166
thinking about
807
01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,583
that. Right. So we
808
01:15:55,583 --> 01:15:56,333
have the Exodus
809
01:15:56,333 --> 01:15:57,083
story and they have
810
01:15:57,083 --> 01:15:57,916
nothing to eat.
811
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:58,375
And they're
812
01:15:58,375 --> 01:15:59,250
complaining and
813
01:16:00,458 --> 01:16:02,541
there's manna from
814
01:16:02,541 --> 01:16:03,458
heaven. We don't
815
01:16:03,458 --> 01:16:04,208
know exactly what
816
01:16:04,208 --> 01:16:05,250
it was, but
817
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:09,375
it was a daily, and
818
01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:10,250
you weren't allowed
819
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,958
to pick more than
820
01:16:11,958 --> 01:16:13,583
your one day's
821
01:16:13,666 --> 01:16:15,541
need. And
822
01:16:15,541 --> 01:16:16,250
if you did,
823
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:17,250
it would rot and
824
01:16:17,250 --> 01:16:19,000
spoil and horrible
825
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:20,708
horror special
826
01:16:20,708 --> 01:16:21,958
effects would pop
827
01:16:21,958 --> 01:16:22,791
out of your manna.
828
01:16:23,458 --> 01:16:25,708
Except for the
829
01:16:25,708 --> 01:16:27,000
Sabbath, because
830
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:27,916
you had to, you
831
01:16:27,958 --> 01:16:29,166
collected a double,
832
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:30,625
a double portion
833
01:16:30,666 --> 01:16:31,875
allotment on
834
01:16:31,916 --> 01:16:33,000
the Sabbath because
835
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:33,583
you couldn't
836
01:16:33,583 --> 01:16:35,375
collect it on the
837
01:16:35,375 --> 01:16:38,750
Sabbath. So Friday,
838
01:16:38,750 --> 01:16:39,250
you would
839
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:39,833
collect two
840
01:16:39,833 --> 01:16:40,708
pieces so that
841
01:16:40,708 --> 01:16:42,000
you'd have enough
842
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,208
for
843
01:16:42,208 --> 01:16:43,791
Saturday as well.
844
01:16:43,833 --> 01:16:44,458
You're collecting
845
01:16:44,458 --> 01:16:45,333
tomorrow's bread
846
01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:46,166
today, if it's
847
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:46,791
Friday then.
848
01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:48,083
Yeah.
849
01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:48,458
Yeah.
850
01:16:49,916 --> 01:16:50,833
There's something
851
01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:51,583
that goes back to
852
01:16:51,583 --> 01:16:52,708
your Bart Simpson,
853
01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:54,791
that the blessing
854
01:16:54,791 --> 01:16:55,166
that we
855
01:16:55,166 --> 01:16:56,750
say for bread
856
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:59,750
in Hebrew is that
857
01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:01,250
we thank God for
858
01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:02,625
bringing forth
859
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:03,833
bread from the
860
01:17:03,833 --> 01:17:06,416
earth, where we
861
01:17:06,416 --> 01:17:07,916
know that
862
01:17:08,708 --> 01:17:09,958
God brings forth
863
01:17:09,958 --> 01:17:11,416
the grapes for the
864
01:17:11,416 --> 01:17:12,583
wine that we drink,
865
01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:13,916
but God doesn't
866
01:17:13,916 --> 01:17:15,208
bring forth bread.
867
01:17:15,583 --> 01:17:16,500
We have to make it.
868
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,041
We have to make it.
869
01:17:18,625 --> 01:17:19,875
And so there's the,
870
01:17:19,875 --> 01:17:21,500
the rabbis go a
871
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:22,916
little fun about
872
01:17:23,208 --> 01:17:23,916
how we have to
873
01:17:23,916 --> 01:17:24,958
partner with God in
874
01:17:24,958 --> 01:17:25,833
order to make
875
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:27,166
things right.
876
01:17:27,458 --> 01:17:29,166
Hmm. But there's,
877
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:30,375
but the, sorry.
878
01:17:30,375 --> 01:17:30,791
Yeah, go ahead.
879
01:17:30,791 --> 01:17:31,500
No, the manna
880
01:17:31,625 --> 01:17:32,541
thing, that's
881
01:17:32,541 --> 01:17:33,000
always kind of
882
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:33,791
rankled me. It's
883
01:17:33,791 --> 01:17:34,500
sort of like
884
01:17:36,166 --> 01:17:37,833
God, you know, that
885
01:17:38,208 --> 01:17:39,000
God would want to
886
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,750
keep us kind of
887
01:17:39,833 --> 01:17:41,416
dependent on Him.
888
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:41,916
Like you,
889
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:42,541
no, no, no, no,
890
01:17:42,541 --> 01:17:43,416
no, no, no. Like
891
01:17:43,833 --> 01:17:45,333
that Hebrew Bible
892
01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:47,375
story suggests like
893
01:17:47,458 --> 01:17:48,166
you stay in
894
01:17:48,166 --> 01:17:49,041
relationship with
895
01:17:49,041 --> 01:17:49,625
God. Like you
896
01:17:49,625 --> 01:17:50,875
don't, it's not,
897
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:51,791
there's not a gift
898
01:17:51,791 --> 01:17:52,166
here that you're
899
01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:53,000
going to store up
900
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,250
so that
901
01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:53,666
you can live
902
01:17:53,666 --> 01:17:54,333
independently. It
903
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:54,916
reminds me of what
904
01:17:54,916 --> 01:17:55,500
you were saying
905
01:17:56,125 --> 01:17:58,291
about the last time
906
01:17:58,291 --> 01:18:00,000
that we, I
907
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:00,458
think the
908
01:18:00,708 --> 01:18:01,541
anecdote you were
909
01:18:01,541 --> 01:18:02,458
sharing about
910
01:18:02,583 --> 01:18:03,958
traveling, Eric,
911
01:18:03,958 --> 01:18:04,708
was pointing to the
912
01:18:04,708 --> 01:18:05,666
ways in which you
913
01:18:05,708 --> 01:18:06,375
appreciate
914
01:18:06,375 --> 01:18:06,958
that kind of
915
01:18:07,458 --> 01:18:08,166
opportunity to be
916
01:18:08,166 --> 01:18:10,166
dependent. Always
917
01:18:10,583 --> 01:18:11,125
relied on the
918
01:18:11,125 --> 01:18:11,541
kindness of
919
01:18:11,541 --> 01:18:12,166
strangers, you
920
01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:12,958
know? But
921
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:14,708
I don't want to, I
922
01:18:14,708 --> 01:18:16,166
don't want to be
923
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:17,250
constantly
924
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:18,416
dependent on, like,
925
01:18:18,416 --> 01:18:18,750
I don't want
926
01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:19,291
to do that. I
927
01:18:19,291 --> 01:18:19,916
want to be able to
928
01:18:19,916 --> 01:18:20,666
be self-reliant.
929
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:21,500
Aren't I supposed
930
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:22,458
to be self-reliant?
931
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,791
Oh, believe me. I
932
01:18:23,791 --> 01:18:24,833
just, I just, I
933
01:18:24,833 --> 01:18:25,666
just did an
934
01:18:25,708 --> 01:18:26,541
inventory literally
935
01:18:26,541 --> 01:18:27,208
today of our
936
01:18:27,208 --> 01:18:27,833
emergency
937
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:29,541
food supply. We
938
01:18:29,541 --> 01:18:30,708
have three months
939
01:18:31,041 --> 01:18:32,291
of emergency
940
01:18:32,291 --> 01:18:32,833
food supply.
941
01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:34,125
Okay. We're coming
942
01:18:34,125 --> 01:18:34,583
over here.
943
01:18:34,583 --> 01:18:35,250
Yeah, I probably
944
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:35,500
shouldn't have
945
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:36,000
mentioned that
946
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,958
on a podcast.
947
01:18:37,541 --> 01:18:38,333
Come to Brian's.
948
01:18:38,416 --> 01:18:38,750
I'm coming
949
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:39,750
to Eric's.
950
01:18:40,666 --> 01:18:41,625
I have pickles.
951
01:18:41,666 --> 01:18:42,958
So I got well
952
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000
beyond tomorrow's
953
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,166
bread today. But
954
01:18:46,583 --> 01:18:47,041
isn't there
955
01:18:47,041 --> 01:18:47,625
something in
956
01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:48,833
Buddhism, the, the-
957
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:49,666
oryoki?
958
01:18:49,833 --> 01:18:50,250
Yeah.
959
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,958
So yes, oryoki is a
960
01:18:53,958 --> 01:18:55,416
beautiful ritual
961
01:18:55,416 --> 01:18:56,875
that we, you know,
962
01:18:56,875 --> 01:18:57,083
in a
963
01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:58,916
monastery, it might be
964
01:18:59,666 --> 01:19:00,291
the way that you
965
01:19:00,291 --> 01:19:01,708
eat every meal or
966
01:19:01,916 --> 01:19:03,625
most meals. I only
967
01:19:03,625 --> 01:19:05,458
eat oryoki on a
968
01:19:05,541 --> 01:19:06,583
silent retreat, but
969
01:19:06,833 --> 01:19:07,500
it's a very
970
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:07,916
elaborate
971
01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:08,916
ritualized way of
972
01:19:08,958 --> 01:19:09,666
eating with three
973
01:19:09,666 --> 01:19:10,333
bowls and you're
974
01:19:10,333 --> 01:19:13,250
served. And really
975
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:15,000
the whole, the word
976
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,166
oryoki means like
977
01:19:16,166 --> 01:19:17,250
the right portion,
978
01:19:17,541 --> 01:19:18,666
like the right size
979
01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:20,541
portion. And, you
980
01:19:20,541 --> 01:19:21,000
know, you're,
981
01:19:21,083 --> 01:19:22,291
you're being fed
982
01:19:23,208 --> 01:19:24,708
your meal in bowls
983
01:19:25,166 --> 01:19:26,833
and you, you can
984
01:19:26,833 --> 01:19:29,500
say more or less.
985
01:19:30,791 --> 01:19:31,916
But you have to
986
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,541
eat everything in
987
01:19:32,541 --> 01:19:33,375
your bowl because
988
01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:34,291
at the end of the
989
01:19:34,291 --> 01:19:35,375
meal, water is
990
01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:36,750
going to be hot
991
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:37,083
water is going
992
01:19:37,083 --> 01:19:37,666
to be passed around
993
01:19:37,666 --> 01:19:37,958
and it's going to
994
01:19:37,958 --> 01:19:38,875
be poured. You're
995
01:19:38,875 --> 01:19:39,375
going to pour it
996
01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:39,916
from one bowl to
997
01:19:39,916 --> 01:19:40,250
the next,
998
01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:40,583
and then you're
999
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:41,208
going to wipe it
1000
01:19:41,208 --> 01:19:41,875
clean. And so
1001
01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:43,083
there's not food, I
1002
01:19:43,083 --> 01:19:43,375
mean, there's
1003
01:19:43,375 --> 01:19:43,875
nowhere to put,
1004
01:19:44,041 --> 01:19:44,958
you don't compost
1005
01:19:44,958 --> 01:19:45,916
your oryoki food,
1006
01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:47,708
you eat it. So it's
1007
01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:48,500
a, it's a real
1008
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:50,000
training and take
1009
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,833
what you need
1010
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:55,666
and no more. And so
1011
01:19:55,666 --> 01:19:56,541
it's a con it's
1012
01:19:56,541 --> 01:19:57,250
just a very
1013
01:19:57,250 --> 01:19:58,416
skillful kind of
1014
01:19:58,500 --> 01:19:59,916
practice of, on the
1015
01:19:59,916 --> 01:20:00,291
one hand,
1016
01:20:00,416 --> 01:20:01,166
practice in dealing
1017
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:02,458
with my greed, like
1018
01:20:02,625 --> 01:20:03,375
my eyes are bigger
1019
01:20:03,375 --> 01:20:04,291
than my stomach. I
1020
01:20:04,291 --> 01:20:05,083
got to be careful.
1021
01:20:05,375 --> 01:20:06,500
I also, since it's
1022
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:07,208
a silent retreat,
1023
01:20:07,208 --> 01:20:07,791
I'm not sort of
1024
01:20:07,791 --> 01:20:08,333
saying, well, is
1025
01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:08,666
there enough
1026
01:20:08,666 --> 01:20:09,208
salt in that?
1027
01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:09,666
Could I have some
1028
01:20:09,666 --> 01:20:10,500
salt? I have to eat
1029
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:11,291
it exactly as it
1030
01:20:11,291 --> 01:20:13,708
is. But that's
1031
01:20:13,708 --> 01:20:14,291
like, I think
1032
01:20:14,291 --> 01:20:14,625
that's the
1033
01:20:14,625 --> 01:20:15,750
surface level of
1034
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:16,666
it. Cause really
1035
01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:17,375
what the whole
1036
01:20:17,375 --> 01:20:18,083
practice is
1037
01:20:18,083 --> 01:20:19,083
teaching me is that
1038
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:20,333
I'm completely
1039
01:20:20,333 --> 01:20:21,083
reliant on the
1040
01:20:21,083 --> 01:20:23,291
food, on the
1041
01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:24,541
server, on the
1042
01:20:24,583 --> 01:20:26,250
earth. It is a
1043
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:27,000
practice that
1044
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,041
reminds me of the
1045
01:20:28,041 --> 01:20:28,958
harmony of
1046
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:29,625
the food. And in fact, the meal
1047
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:30,541
chant that we chant
1048
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:31,958
is talks about the
1049
01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:33,958
interdependence of
1050
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,625
the giver,
1051
01:20:34,791 --> 01:20:36,041
the receiver and
1052
01:20:36,041 --> 01:20:36,750
the gift, because
1053
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:38,583
at its core, oryoki
1054
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:40,333
is mimicking what
1055
01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:40,708
it would be
1056
01:20:40,708 --> 01:20:41,250
like to do
1057
01:20:41,291 --> 01:20:42,333
alms arounds where
1058
01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:43,041
you walk around
1059
01:20:43,041 --> 01:20:44,041
with an empty bowl
1060
01:20:44,083 --> 01:20:45,000
and you eat what
1061
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:45,791
you receive
1062
01:20:46,041 --> 01:20:46,750
and you are
1063
01:20:46,750 --> 01:20:49,875
grateful. So this
1064
01:20:49,875 --> 01:20:50,750
is the ritualized
1065
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:53,541
version of the food
1066
01:20:53,541 --> 01:20:54,625
insecurity of a
1067
01:20:54,666 --> 01:20:55,333
mendicant.
1068
01:20:55,791 --> 01:20:57,333
Darrell Bock
1069
01:20:57,333 --> 01:20:58,916
Could this be where
1070
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,500
our three
1071
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,583
traditions actually
1072
01:21:00,625 --> 01:21:01,125
do have a
1073
01:21:01,125 --> 01:21:01,750
convergence
1074
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:02,250
point? I mean,
1075
01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:03,708
that sounds like it
1076
01:21:03,708 --> 01:21:04,583
kind of is in
1077
01:21:04,583 --> 01:21:05,666
harmony with the
1078
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,500
manna piece. Maybe
1079
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:07,833
it's not so
1080
01:21:07,833 --> 01:21:08,333
much about
1081
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:09,625
even teaching
1082
01:21:09,833 --> 01:21:11,166
dependence on God,
1083
01:21:11,166 --> 01:21:12,000
although I would
1084
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,750
not rule that out
1085
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:14,041
at all. But also,
1086
01:21:14,041 --> 01:21:14,958
it is about that
1087
01:21:14,958 --> 01:21:16,250
just you get enough
1088
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:17,041
for the day
1089
01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:18,083
training to like,
1090
01:21:18,208 --> 01:21:19,083
just sit, to have
1091
01:21:19,083 --> 01:21:19,708
enough. And
1092
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:20,666
that's where Jesus
1093
01:21:20,666 --> 01:21:21,833
is, give us this
1094
01:21:21,833 --> 01:21:23,416
day our daily bread
1095
01:21:23,458 --> 01:21:25,166
is just talking
1096
01:21:25,166 --> 01:21:26,000
about taking,
1097
01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:27,666
you having enough,
1098
01:21:27,916 --> 01:21:28,916
not like, like
1099
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,791
think about the
1100
01:21:29,791 --> 01:21:31,166
prosperity gospel,
1101
01:21:31,666 --> 01:21:32,333
Christianity, like,
1102
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:33,250
hey, if you just
1103
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:33,916
have faith, you'll
1104
01:21:33,916 --> 01:21:34,958
have super
1105
01:21:34,958 --> 01:21:35,625
abundance. You
1106
01:21:35,625 --> 01:21:37,125
won't have just a
1107
01:21:37,125 --> 01:21:37,750
piece of bread,
1108
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:38,166
you'll have the
1109
01:21:38,166 --> 01:21:39,125
whole bakery if you
1110
01:21:39,125 --> 01:21:39,708
just have enough
1111
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:40,458
faith. And yet
1112
01:21:40,458 --> 01:21:41,208
Jesus is really
1113
01:21:41,208 --> 01:21:41,958
parrying that down
1114
01:21:41,958 --> 01:21:42,208
to this
1115
01:21:42,208 --> 01:21:43,833
daily thing.
1116
01:21:44,125 --> 01:21:45,250
I just, I feel
1117
01:21:45,250 --> 01:21:47,166
like, I mean, my
1118
01:21:47,541 --> 01:21:48,666
thumbnail sketch of
1119
01:21:48,916 --> 01:21:51,291
Jesus is, he's
1120
01:21:51,291 --> 01:21:53,875
trying to help a
1121
01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:54,583
beleaguered
1122
01:21:54,625 --> 01:21:55,833
and impoverished
1123
01:21:55,875 --> 01:21:57,083
and anxious people
1124
01:21:57,083 --> 01:21:58,416
be free, to really
1125
01:21:58,416 --> 01:22:01,250
feel free. And the
1126
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:02,708
answer to
1127
01:22:02,708 --> 01:22:03,458
freedom is,
1128
01:22:04,083 --> 01:22:05,125
there's enough,
1129
01:22:05,291 --> 01:22:06,125
feeling like
1130
01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:06,708
there's enough,
1131
01:22:06,708 --> 01:22:08,125
feeling resourced.
1132
01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,458
And for us
1133
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:11,291
in the modern
1134
01:22:11,333 --> 01:22:12,958
world, us at least
1135
01:22:12,958 --> 01:22:15,000
sitting here, we
1136
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,375
almost never really
1137
01:22:16,375 --> 01:22:17,000
experience
1138
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:17,625
enoughness,
1139
01:22:17,625 --> 01:22:18,000
because we're
1140
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,916
actually grappling
1141
01:22:18,916 --> 01:22:19,833
with, think about
1142
01:22:19,833 --> 01:22:21,583
like the trend of
1143
01:22:21,583 --> 01:22:22,250
minimalism,
1144
01:22:22,291 --> 01:22:23,166
like so many of us
1145
01:22:23,166 --> 01:22:23,750
are grappling with,
1146
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:24,375
I got too much
1147
01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:25,166
stuff, how do I
1148
01:22:25,166 --> 01:22:26,083
get... We don't
1149
01:22:26,958 --> 01:22:27,625
live on the
1150
01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:29,041
edge of enoughness.
1151
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:32,291
But that is seems
1152
01:22:32,291 --> 01:22:32,750
like that's where
1153
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:33,500
freedom is.
1154
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,291
So,
1155
01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:37,958
I'm curious,
1156
01:22:39,666 --> 01:22:40,166
where is the
1157
01:22:40,166 --> 01:22:41,333
prayer in this?
1158
01:22:41,416 --> 01:22:41,750
Yeah.
1159
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:44,083
Usually, like,
1160
01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:44,666
what are we
1161
01:22:44,666 --> 01:22:46,125
asking God for?
1162
01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:51,708
Give us a...
1163
01:22:53,166 --> 01:22:53,666
The
1164
01:22:53,666 --> 01:22:54,666
non-theist here?
1165
01:22:55,833 --> 01:22:56,791
Who secretly
1166
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:58,833
loves talking
1167
01:22:58,833 --> 01:22:59,541
about, and I guess
1168
01:22:59,541 --> 01:23:00,291
not so secretly
1169
01:23:00,291 --> 01:23:00,666
since this
1170
01:23:00,666 --> 01:23:01,250
is a public
1171
01:23:01,625 --> 01:23:02,583
broadcast. I love
1172
01:23:02,583 --> 01:23:03,083
talking about God.
1173
01:23:04,791 --> 01:23:05,416
I feel like we're
1174
01:23:05,416 --> 01:23:06,083
asking God for
1175
01:23:06,083 --> 01:23:08,250
freedom, you know?
1176
01:23:09,875 --> 01:23:11,875
I would say
1177
01:23:11,875 --> 01:23:13,125
yes if we found a
1178
01:23:13,125 --> 01:23:13,916
manuscript that
1179
01:23:13,916 --> 01:23:14,958
said, "Give
1180
01:23:14,958 --> 01:23:16,666
us the feeling,
1181
01:23:17,541 --> 01:23:19,083
give us sufficient
1182
01:23:19,083 --> 01:23:21,666
bread." Well, maybe
1183
01:23:21,666 --> 01:23:22,833
that's what that
1184
01:23:22,833 --> 01:23:23,791
daily word is
1185
01:23:23,791 --> 01:23:24,250
trying to get to.
1186
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:24,583
Maybe that's
1187
01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:25,333
what he's saying.
1188
01:23:25,875 --> 01:23:26,125
Yeah,
1189
01:23:26,208 --> 01:23:26,750
I think so.
1190
01:23:26,916 --> 01:23:27,291
Give...
1191
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:28,625
Yeah, I
1192
01:23:28,625 --> 01:23:29,000
think he...
1193
01:23:29,666 --> 01:23:29,875
Dayenu.
1194
01:23:29,875 --> 01:23:30,833
Yeah, Dayenu,
1195
01:23:30,916 --> 01:23:32,750
yeah. That would
1196
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:33,458
have been enough if
1197
01:23:33,458 --> 01:23:34,000
it just had been
1198
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:34,208
that.
1199
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:35,333
That's a Jewish
1200
01:23:36,791 --> 01:23:39,250
prayer. So, yeah,
1201
01:23:39,833 --> 01:23:40,375
especially if you
1202
01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:40,916
look at what
1203
01:23:40,916 --> 01:23:41,541
follows with that,
1204
01:23:41,541 --> 01:23:41,875
"Do not
1205
01:23:41,875 --> 01:23:42,666
worry" and stuff,
1206
01:23:42,666 --> 01:23:43,208
it's like, yeah,
1207
01:23:44,166 --> 01:23:44,875
maybe it's
1208
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:47,250
literally like if
1209
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:48,083
you're on the edge,
1210
01:23:48,083 --> 01:23:48,291
like,
1211
01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:49,041
"Remind me that
1212
01:23:49,833 --> 01:23:50,916
I will have enough
1213
01:23:50,916 --> 01:23:51,916
to survive. I'm not
1214
01:23:51,916 --> 01:23:52,416
going to be as
1215
01:23:52,416 --> 01:23:53,125
anxious." And maybe
1216
01:23:53,125 --> 01:23:53,791
for those of us who
1217
01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:54,458
aren't worrying
1218
01:23:54,458 --> 01:23:55,791
about our next meal
1219
01:23:55,958 --> 01:23:56,666
every day like
1220
01:23:56,666 --> 01:23:58,125
that, maybe it is
1221
01:23:58,125 --> 01:23:58,583
returning
1222
01:23:58,583 --> 01:23:59,458
us to that
1223
01:23:59,750 --> 01:24:00,416
"Oh my gosh,
1224
01:24:00,416 --> 01:24:01,500
reminding us, oh, I
1225
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:02,208
do have enough.
1226
01:24:03,291 --> 01:24:05,125
Survival is my most
1227
01:24:05,125 --> 01:24:05,958
basic need
1228
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:06,708
is being met.
1229
01:24:06,708 --> 01:24:07,708
I'm grateful," like
1230
01:24:07,708 --> 01:24:09,500
you were saying. I
1231
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:10,250
also think I wonder
1232
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:10,541
about the
1233
01:24:10,583 --> 01:24:11,250
"us." You know,
1234
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:12,083
that you go back to
1235
01:24:12,083 --> 01:24:13,250
the "us." He's
1236
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:15,375
giving us this day
1237
01:24:15,416 --> 01:24:16,375
our daily bread.
1238
01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:16,791
It's not
1239
01:24:16,833 --> 01:24:19,166
me and mine.
1240
01:24:19,875 --> 01:24:21,166
Does that change
1241
01:24:21,208 --> 01:24:22,000
the equation?
1242
01:24:22,166 --> 01:24:22,583
Okay, so
1243
01:24:22,583 --> 01:24:23,333
there's this other
1244
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:23,791
thing about
1245
01:24:23,833 --> 01:24:26,500
oryoki that might
1246
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:27,125
be relevant to
1247
01:24:27,125 --> 01:24:28,125
this, which is
1248
01:24:29,375 --> 01:24:30,833
there is, although
1249
01:24:30,916 --> 01:24:31,791
in theory,
1250
01:24:32,041 --> 01:24:32,625
the server's
1251
01:24:32,625 --> 01:24:33,250
walking around,
1252
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:34,125
everyone's sitting
1253
01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,125
at their cushions,
1254
01:24:36,375 --> 01:24:37,416
you're just looking
1255
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:38,333
down at the ground
1256
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:38,791
in front of you
1257
01:24:38,791 --> 01:24:39,625
holding your bowls.
1258
01:24:39,958 --> 01:24:41,916
But it doesn't take
1259
01:24:41,916 --> 01:24:42,875
you too long to
1260
01:24:42,875 --> 01:24:43,666
become the kind of
1261
01:24:43,666 --> 01:24:44,250
practitioner
1262
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:45,000
who's watching to
1263
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,208
make sure that
1264
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:47,083
there's enough food
1265
01:24:47,083 --> 01:24:48,041
in the bowl to go
1266
01:24:48,041 --> 01:24:48,833
all the way around,
1267
01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:49,708
sometimes the cook
1268
01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:50,833
screws up or
1269
01:24:50,833 --> 01:24:51,541
sometimes someone
1270
01:24:51,541 --> 01:24:52,291
was really hungry
1271
01:24:52,291 --> 01:24:54,083
earlier. So part of
1272
01:24:54,083 --> 01:24:54,541
the practice of
1273
01:24:54,583 --> 01:24:55,291
oryoki is also
1274
01:24:55,291 --> 01:24:58,041
being like, "Ooh, I
1275
01:24:58,083 --> 01:24:58,791
should..." Yeah,
1276
01:24:58,791 --> 01:24:59,375
community, like,
1277
01:24:59,458 --> 01:25:00,541
"Ooh, I could
1278
01:25:00,541 --> 01:25:01,708
ask for like three
1279
01:25:01,708 --> 01:25:02,791
helpings right now
1280
01:25:02,791 --> 01:25:03,416
and have a really
1281
01:25:03,416 --> 01:25:04,208
full bowl, but
1282
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:04,583
that's not
1283
01:25:04,583 --> 01:25:04,958
going to then
1284
01:25:04,958 --> 01:25:05,666
meet my friend
1285
01:25:05,666 --> 01:25:06,625
across the way or
1286
01:25:06,708 --> 01:25:07,833
whatever might, so
1287
01:25:07,833 --> 01:25:08,458
I'm going to ask
1288
01:25:08,458 --> 01:25:09,083
for less
1289
01:25:09,958 --> 01:25:12,041
because my enough
1290
01:25:13,166 --> 01:25:13,958
needs to be
1291
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,083
everyone's enough
1292
01:25:17,458 --> 01:25:18,416
or it's not
1293
01:25:18,416 --> 01:25:19,333
really enough."
1294
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:22,666
If the oryoki
1295
01:25:22,666 --> 01:25:23,750
training is like,
1296
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:25,166
"My enough has got
1297
01:25:25,166 --> 01:25:26,166
to be enough for
1298
01:25:26,166 --> 01:25:26,916
all of us."
1299
01:25:27,208 --> 01:25:27,708
Yeah, I really
1300
01:25:27,708 --> 01:25:28,083
think there
1301
01:25:28,083 --> 01:25:29,250
is a justice
1302
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:30,416
piece in that, the
1303
01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:31,583
us piece in this.
1304
01:25:31,708 --> 01:25:32,625
If I'm not worrying
1305
01:25:32,625 --> 01:25:33,208
about my next
1306
01:25:33,208 --> 01:25:33,625
meal, in fact,
1307
01:25:33,625 --> 01:25:33,958
I don't have to
1308
01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:34,416
worry for a
1309
01:25:34,416 --> 01:25:34,875
few months.
1310
01:25:35,125 --> 01:25:35,750
You've got
1311
01:25:36,125 --> 01:25:36,666
three months.
1312
01:25:36,750 --> 01:25:37,208
But let's say
1313
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:37,791
that emergency
1314
01:25:37,791 --> 01:25:38,875
happens. Okay, I've
1315
01:25:38,875 --> 01:25:39,541
got my three month
1316
01:25:39,541 --> 01:25:39,916
supply,
1317
01:25:39,916 --> 01:25:40,666
you're hungry.
1318
01:25:40,916 --> 01:25:41,333
Yeah.
1319
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:41,875
You know, so
1320
01:25:41,916 --> 01:25:42,708
for me to pray,
1321
01:25:42,708 --> 01:25:44,125
"Give us this day
1322
01:25:44,166 --> 01:25:45,291
our daily bread,"
1323
01:25:45,541 --> 01:25:46,625
to me, if I'm
1324
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:47,083
going to pray
1325
01:25:47,083 --> 01:25:48,583
that sincerely, it
1326
01:25:48,583 --> 01:25:49,208
kind of implies
1327
01:25:49,208 --> 01:25:49,625
that, well, if
1328
01:25:49,625 --> 01:25:50,750
Esther's coming at
1329
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:52,166
my door with
1330
01:25:52,208 --> 01:25:52,708
food, like,
1331
01:25:53,541 --> 01:25:54,458
it's us. I'm
1332
01:25:54,458 --> 01:25:55,375
praying for us, not
1333
01:25:55,375 --> 01:25:56,083
just for me.
1334
01:25:56,625 --> 01:25:57,583
Yeah, I think
1335
01:25:57,583 --> 01:25:57,833
you need a
1336
01:25:57,833 --> 01:25:58,583
lot more food.
1337
01:25:59,291 --> 01:26:01,208
Are you going to
1338
01:26:01,208 --> 01:26:02,041
have more
1339
01:26:02,083 --> 01:26:02,875
emergency rations?
1340
01:26:04,583 --> 01:26:05,375
I don't mean
1341
01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,333
to, but is there
1342
01:26:08,125 --> 01:26:09,416
something with Paul
1343
01:26:09,833 --> 01:26:11,000
in this prayer
1344
01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:13,500
that I'm vague and
1345
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:14,125
I don't know what
1346
01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:14,875
I'm talking about?
1347
01:26:15,125 --> 01:26:15,625
Yeah, I'm glad
1348
01:26:16,083 --> 01:26:16,583
you brought that
1349
01:26:16,583 --> 01:26:18,541
up. He does say
1350
01:26:18,541 --> 01:26:18,958
something in a
1351
01:26:18,958 --> 01:26:19,291
second
1352
01:26:19,291 --> 01:26:20,000
letter to the
1353
01:26:20,125 --> 01:26:21,500
Corinthian church,
1354
01:26:21,916 --> 01:26:22,958
where that was a
1355
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:23,958
fairly well-off
1356
01:26:23,958 --> 01:26:24,500
church, and he's
1357
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:24,958
taking up an
1358
01:26:24,958 --> 01:26:26,000
offering for,
1359
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:26,916
he wants to take an
1360
01:26:26,916 --> 01:26:28,208
offering for a
1361
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:28,875
church that doesn't
1362
01:26:28,875 --> 01:26:31,291
have much. And so,
1363
01:26:31,333 --> 01:26:32,083
he kind of says,
1364
01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:32,875
"Hey, you guys have
1365
01:26:32,875 --> 01:26:33,416
been great, you've
1366
01:26:33,416 --> 01:26:34,333
been generous, and
1367
01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:35,375
you're not bound to
1368
01:26:35,375 --> 01:26:36,083
do what I'm
1369
01:26:36,083 --> 01:26:37,375
going to do."
1370
01:26:37,375 --> 01:26:38,750
However, we kind of
1371
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:39,500
have this principle
1372
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:41,000
of, like, there's
1373
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,458
this church that
1374
01:26:41,458 --> 01:26:42,750
needs more, and you
1375
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:44,166
have a lot. And
1376
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:44,916
it's not about
1377
01:26:44,916 --> 01:26:45,458
taking something
1378
01:26:45,458 --> 01:26:45,875
away from
1379
01:26:45,875 --> 01:26:46,500
you, but rather,
1380
01:26:46,708 --> 01:26:47,541
building these up.
1381
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:48,541
And he actually
1382
01:26:48,541 --> 01:26:50,208
cites the manna
1383
01:26:50,541 --> 01:26:51,291
experience in the
1384
01:26:51,291 --> 01:26:52,166
wilderness where,
1385
01:26:52,583 --> 01:26:53,833
in Exodus 16, it
1386
01:26:53,833 --> 01:26:55,083
says that nobody
1387
01:26:55,375 --> 01:26:57,291
had more, the ones
1388
01:26:57,291 --> 01:26:58,916
who had, let's see,
1389
01:26:59,625 --> 01:27:00,208
where my
1390
01:27:00,208 --> 01:27:00,583
verse here,
1391
01:27:01,041 --> 01:27:01,708
"The one who had
1392
01:27:01,708 --> 01:27:03,291
much did not have
1393
01:27:03,291 --> 01:27:04,333
too much, and the
1394
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:05,250
one who had little
1395
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:05,916
did not have
1396
01:27:05,916 --> 01:27:06,750
too little."
1397
01:27:08,125 --> 01:27:08,541
And so, he's
1398
01:27:08,541 --> 01:27:09,458
actually drawing
1399
01:27:09,458 --> 01:27:10,500
directly from that,
1400
01:27:11,291 --> 01:27:12,541
and I think that
1401
01:27:12,541 --> 01:27:12,875
gets into
1402
01:27:12,875 --> 01:27:13,750
that us-ness.
1403
01:27:14,166 --> 01:27:15,083
It's not just me,
1404
01:27:15,083 --> 01:27:15,833
it's not just we,
1405
01:27:15,833 --> 01:27:16,916
but it's us
1406
01:27:16,916 --> 01:27:17,583
together.
1407
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:18,916
In some ways,
1408
01:27:18,916 --> 01:27:21,000
this is, although
1409
01:27:21,125 --> 01:27:22,041
our prayer
1410
01:27:22,125 --> 01:27:22,625
might look
1411
01:27:22,625 --> 01:27:24,250
different, because
1412
01:27:24,291 --> 01:27:25,208
we are so
1413
01:27:25,291 --> 01:27:26,250
well-resourced by
1414
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:26,750
and large,
1415
01:27:27,625 --> 01:27:29,000
it seems like
1416
01:27:29,041 --> 01:27:30,333
it goes to the same
1417
01:27:30,333 --> 01:27:33,750
place, which is, if
1418
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:35,541
you look at it
1419
01:27:35,541 --> 01:27:36,416
deeply enough,
1420
01:27:37,375 --> 01:27:38,416
what you have
1421
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:40,291
needs to connect
1422
01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:41,208
you with what
1423
01:27:41,208 --> 01:27:42,625
others have, or
1424
01:27:42,625 --> 01:27:43,958
what they lack, and
1425
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:44,583
that kind of
1426
01:27:44,583 --> 01:27:45,583
communitarian
1427
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:48,041
vision. Because it
1428
01:27:48,041 --> 01:27:49,125
does immediately
1429
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:49,916
raise the question
1430
01:27:49,916 --> 01:27:51,291
of, "Oh, okay, what
1431
01:27:51,291 --> 01:27:52,250
am I grateful for,
1432
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:55,833
and why do I... I
1433
01:27:55,833 --> 01:27:57,000
don't deserve all
1434
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:57,833
this good stuff.
1435
01:27:59,375 --> 01:28:00,583
Why me, and not
1436
01:28:00,583 --> 01:28:00,833
that
1437
01:28:00,833 --> 01:28:02,250
person? Oh, okay.
1438
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:03,083
There's
1439
01:28:03,083 --> 01:28:03,750
something here."
1440
01:28:04,041 --> 01:28:04,791
I have a
1441
01:28:05,125 --> 01:28:06,041
random
1442
01:28:06,166 --> 01:28:07,208
bread-related
1443
01:28:07,208 --> 01:28:08,416
thought. The word
1444
01:28:08,416 --> 01:28:10,041
companion means
1445
01:28:10,041 --> 01:28:10,833
with bread.
1446
01:28:11,083 --> 01:28:11,708
Yes.
1447
01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:12,708
That's right.
1448
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:15,708
"Com-pan." Isn't
1449
01:28:15,708 --> 01:28:16,125
that neat?
1450
01:28:16,416 --> 01:28:17,583
That's awesome.
1451
01:28:18,083 --> 01:28:18,583
Yeah.
1452
01:28:18,958 --> 01:28:19,500
That is
1453
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:19,958
awesome. I
1454
01:28:19,958 --> 01:28:20,666
love that.
1455
01:28:22,041 --> 01:28:22,833
The people you
1456
01:28:22,958 --> 01:28:23,541
share your
1457
01:28:23,541 --> 01:28:24,708
bread with are your
1458
01:28:24,708 --> 01:28:27,000
companions. It also
1459
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:27,583
goes with, and
1460
01:28:27,583 --> 01:28:28,708
there's something
1461
01:28:28,708 --> 01:28:29,458
that Jesus was
1462
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:29,791
known for
1463
01:28:29,791 --> 01:28:30,750
doing, who you
1464
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:31,625
share your table
1465
01:28:31,625 --> 01:28:33,416
with is the word we
1466
01:28:33,416 --> 01:28:34,000
get is
1467
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,875
"commensurate." "Mensa"
1468
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:36,750
meaning table.
1469
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:37,375
Yeah.
1470
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,000
"Com-mensa."
1471
01:28:39,125 --> 01:28:39,500
Well.
1472
01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:40,583
So, who you
1473
01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:41,541
eat your bread with
1474
01:28:41,625 --> 01:28:43,083
is a political act.
1475
01:28:44,541 --> 01:28:46,000
Jesus, I'm pretty
1476
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:46,916
sure, was eating
1477
01:28:47,416 --> 01:28:48,250
bread with those
1478
01:28:48,250 --> 01:28:49,750
who he was not
1479
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:50,750
supposed to be
1480
01:28:50,791 --> 01:28:51,416
eating with.
1481
01:28:51,625 --> 01:28:52,416
Right. Much to
1482
01:28:52,458 --> 01:28:53,291
the consternation
1483
01:28:53,291 --> 01:28:53,875
of the religious
1484
01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:54,375
authorities.
1485
01:28:54,375 --> 01:28:54,750
Yeah.
1486
01:28:55,208 --> 01:28:56,625
Yeah. Yeah.
1487
01:28:56,666 --> 01:28:57,500
So, there's that we
1488
01:28:58,208 --> 01:28:59,125
coming back again.
1489
01:28:59,458 --> 01:28:59,916
Well, I mean,
1490
01:28:59,916 --> 01:29:00,750
our earliest
1491
01:29:01,416 --> 01:29:03,291
experiences as,
1492
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,666
organic as mammals
1493
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:10,250
is that, where we
1494
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:10,916
get sustenance,
1495
01:29:10,916 --> 01:29:12,583
that's like, that's
1496
01:29:12,583 --> 01:29:13,166
connection,
1497
01:29:13,583 --> 01:29:14,583
that's mama, that's
1498
01:29:14,958 --> 01:29:16,125
what joins us all
1499
01:29:16,125 --> 01:29:17,250
together in family.
1500
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:17,750
It's
1501
01:29:18,166 --> 01:29:19,166
powerful stuff.
1502
01:29:19,416 --> 01:29:20,166
Yeah. Even
1503
01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:20,875
just having bread
1504
01:29:20,875 --> 01:29:21,791
these days in a
1505
01:29:21,791 --> 01:29:23,916
modern world is a
1506
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:24,666
very wee
1507
01:29:24,666 --> 01:29:26,291
thing just when we
1508
01:29:26,291 --> 01:29:26,666
put it on the
1509
01:29:26,666 --> 01:29:27,500
table, even if
1510
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:28,333
we're eating alone,
1511
01:29:28,791 --> 01:29:29,541
because like, I
1512
01:29:29,541 --> 01:29:30,541
make my own bread a
1513
01:29:30,541 --> 01:29:31,500
lot nowadays,
1514
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:32,541
but even saying I
1515
01:29:32,541 --> 01:29:33,458
make it, well, I
1516
01:29:33,458 --> 01:29:34,375
did not grow the
1517
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:35,875
wheat. I did not
1518
01:29:35,875 --> 01:29:36,625
harvest the wheat.
1519
01:29:36,666 --> 01:29:37,250
I did not,
1520
01:29:37,291 --> 01:29:37,958
you provide the
1521
01:29:37,958 --> 01:29:38,583
water for the
1522
01:29:38,583 --> 01:29:39,375
wheat. I did not
1523
01:29:39,375 --> 01:29:39,750
provide the
1524
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:40,583
transportation that
1525
01:29:40,583 --> 01:29:41,166
brought all these
1526
01:29:41,208 --> 01:29:41,708
together. I mean,
1527
01:29:42,125 --> 01:29:43,000
the yeast, the same
1528
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:43,583
thing. I could go
1529
01:29:43,583 --> 01:29:44,583
on and on and on.
1530
01:29:45,125 --> 01:29:46,041
The fact that even
1531
01:29:46,041 --> 01:29:46,875
if I'm all alone
1532
01:29:46,875 --> 01:29:47,958
eating this one
1533
01:29:47,958 --> 01:29:48,791
loaf of bread, I'm
1534
01:29:48,791 --> 01:29:50,041
still connected to
1535
01:29:50,916 --> 01:29:51,875
everyone else.
1536
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:52,166
Yeah.
1537
01:29:52,625 --> 01:29:53,833
I'm gonna jump
1538
01:29:53,833 --> 01:29:54,333
in because there
1539
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:55,250
was one other
1540
01:29:55,416 --> 01:29:57,166
etymology fun-tidbit
1541
01:29:57,166 --> 01:29:58,416
fact that was
1542
01:29:58,416 --> 01:29:59,291
bread related.
1543
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:59,791
Yeah.
1544
01:29:59,791 --> 01:30:00,791
Which is the
1545
01:30:01,708 --> 01:30:02,833
word in Hebrew for
1546
01:30:02,833 --> 01:30:04,125
house is "bayit" or
1547
01:30:04,125 --> 01:30:05,458
"beit" or "beth"
1548
01:30:06,166 --> 01:30:07,083
and the word for
1549
01:30:07,083 --> 01:30:08,416
bread is "lechem."
1550
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:09,666
Yes.
1551
01:30:09,666 --> 01:30:11,833
So, Bethlehem
1552
01:30:12,333 --> 01:30:12,583
is the
1553
01:30:12,583 --> 01:30:13,500
house of bread.
1554
01:30:13,625 --> 01:30:14,083
Yes.
1555
01:30:14,125 --> 01:30:15,250
Oh my gosh.
1556
01:30:15,625 --> 01:30:16,541
International
1557
01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:17,416
House of Pancakes
1558
01:30:17,416 --> 01:30:18,041
came along
1559
01:30:18,041 --> 01:30:18,791
much later.
1560
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:21,375
Yes.
1561
01:30:21,791 --> 01:30:22,458
Bethlehem is
1562
01:30:23,041 --> 01:30:23,708
house of bread.
1563
01:30:23,875 --> 01:30:24,916
Yes. And so,
1564
01:30:24,916 --> 01:30:25,541
the whole book of
1565
01:30:25,541 --> 01:30:26,708
Ruth, you know,
1566
01:30:27,166 --> 01:30:28,000
they're leaving
1567
01:30:28,458 --> 01:30:29,375
Bethlehem, there's
1568
01:30:29,375 --> 01:30:30,083
a famine in
1569
01:30:30,083 --> 01:30:31,083
Bethlehem, so in
1570
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:32,041
the house of bread
1571
01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:32,708
there was no bread.
1572
01:30:32,708 --> 01:30:32,875
There
1573
01:30:32,875 --> 01:30:33,750
was no bread.
1574
01:30:33,916 --> 01:30:35,833
Well, there is a
1575
01:30:35,833 --> 01:30:37,458
prayer that I think
1576
01:30:37,458 --> 01:30:39,000
is helpful maybe as
1577
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,791
a closing. For this
1578
01:30:41,791 --> 01:30:42,708
episode, I feel
1579
01:30:43,583 --> 01:30:46,541
very satiated here,
1580
01:30:46,541 --> 01:30:47,208
but there is a
1581
01:30:47,208 --> 01:30:48,041
Latin American
1582
01:30:48,041 --> 01:30:49,166
prayer that I think
1583
01:30:49,166 --> 01:30:49,750
is really good,
1584
01:30:50,041 --> 01:30:50,458
especially
1585
01:30:50,458 --> 01:30:51,291
for those of us who
1586
01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:52,750
aren't thinking
1587
01:30:52,750 --> 01:30:54,166
about, so stressed
1588
01:30:54,166 --> 01:30:54,916
out about our next
1589
01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:56,416
meal and maybe we
1590
01:30:56,416 --> 01:30:58,000
could close with
1591
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,625
this prayer. And
1592
01:31:00,791 --> 01:31:01,291
you could just
1593
01:31:01,291 --> 01:31:01,833
listen to it, but
1594
01:31:01,833 --> 01:31:02,583
I'm gonna pray it.
1595
01:31:02,583 --> 01:31:05,625
It says this,
1596
01:31:06,041 --> 01:31:08,375
just one line, "O
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01:31:08,375 --> 01:31:10,333
God, to those who
1598
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:11,166
have hunger,
1599
01:31:11,708 --> 01:31:13,666
give bread, and to
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01:31:13,666 --> 01:31:14,416
those who have
1601
01:31:14,416 --> 01:31:16,250
bread, give the
1602
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:17,041
hunger for
1603
01:31:17,041 --> 01:31:17,916
justice."
1604
01:31:19,958 --> 01:31:20,500
Amen.
1605
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:21,000
Amen.
1606
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:21,833
Amen. I think
1607
01:31:21,833 --> 01:31:22,333
that's food
1608
01:31:22,333 --> 01:31:23,000
for thought.
1609
01:31:24,458 --> 01:31:24,875
Oh,
1610
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,416
well played.
1611
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:26,166
Daily.
1612
01:31:27,458 --> 01:31:27,875
[Laughter]
1613
01:31:27,875 --> 01:31:29,458
Yeah. Well,
1614
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,041
good to be with
1615
01:31:30,041 --> 01:31:30,791
you, my friends.
1616
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:31,250
Thank you.
1617
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:32,541
Maybe shortly
1618
01:31:32,541 --> 01:31:33,291
we can break bread
1619
01:31:33,291 --> 01:31:33,750
together.
1620
01:31:33,791 --> 01:31:34,625
Yes.
1621
01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:35,333
Thanks.
1622
01:31:35,333 --> 01:31:37,041
Thank you.
1623
01:31:37,125 --> 01:31:37,375
Till
1624
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:37,833
next time.
01:00:00,041 --> 01:00:01,000
This prayer about
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01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:01,958
"Give us our bread
3
01:00:01,958 --> 01:00:02,666
today," this was a
4
01:00:02,666 --> 01:00:03,375
daily thing.
5
01:00:03,416 --> 01:00:04,250
There was poverty,
6
01:00:04,291 --> 01:00:05,250
and Jesus is very
7
01:00:05,291 --> 01:00:06,083
aware of that,
8
01:00:06,083 --> 01:00:06,625
which raises the
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01:00:06,625 --> 01:00:07,458
question then,
10
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:08,250
for those of us who
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01:00:08,291 --> 01:00:09,166
don't normally
12
01:00:09,208 --> 01:00:09,875
wonder where our
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01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:10,708
next meal is
14
01:00:10,708 --> 01:00:11,291
coming from,
15
01:00:11,416 --> 01:00:12,125
are we actually
16
01:00:12,166 --> 01:00:13,041
praying the prayer
17
01:00:13,041 --> 01:00:14,000
that Jesus was
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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:14,458
teaching his
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01:00:14,458 --> 01:00:15,250
disciples to pray?
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01:00:15,291 --> 01:00:16,333
I never had heard
21
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:17,625
the prayer as being
22
01:00:17,625 --> 01:00:18,333
about bread.
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01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:19,625
In my head, it was
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01:00:19,625 --> 01:00:20,625
always, "Give us
25
01:00:20,625 --> 01:00:21,833
what we need to get
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01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:22,666
through the day."
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01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:23,500
Is it really
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01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:24,500
specifically bread?
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01:00:24,791 --> 01:00:25,416
There is something
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01:00:25,416 --> 01:00:26,208
to it, Brian
31
01:00:26,208 --> 01:00:27,291
saying, in that
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01:00:27,291 --> 01:00:28,500
we're daily.
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01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:29,291
Jerome was thinking
34
01:00:29,291 --> 01:00:30,500
of this more as how
35
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:31,041
Christians will
36
01:00:31,041 --> 01:00:32,083
take the bread of
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01:00:32,083 --> 01:00:32,875
the Eucharist.
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01:00:33,041 --> 01:00:33,750
It's not just
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01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:34,791
bread, it's more
40
01:00:34,791 --> 01:00:35,291
than bread.
41
01:00:35,333 --> 01:00:36,166
So, like, give us
42
01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:37,500
our substance.
43
01:00:37,541 --> 01:00:38,541
So that makes the
44
01:00:38,541 --> 01:00:39,625
whole thing less
45
01:00:39,625 --> 01:00:40,250
about your
46
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:41,583
present anxiety.
47
01:00:41,625 --> 01:00:42,333
It makes it more
48
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:43,166
ethereal, more
49
01:00:43,166 --> 01:00:43,833
spiritual.
50
01:00:43,958 --> 01:00:44,625
I don't like that.
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01:00:45,625 --> 01:00:46,708
God brings forth
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01:00:46,708 --> 01:00:47,625
the grapes for the
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01:00:47,625 --> 01:00:48,541
wine that we drink,
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01:00:48,541 --> 01:00:49,250
but God doesn't
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01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:50,166
bring forth bread.
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01:00:50,208 --> 01:00:51,083
We have to make it.
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01:00:51,166 --> 01:00:52,250
And so the rabbis
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01:00:52,291 --> 01:00:53,416
go a little fun
59
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:54,375
about how we have
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01:00:54,375 --> 01:00:55,333
to partner with God
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01:00:55,333 --> 01:00:56,041
in order to make
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01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:56,833
things right.
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01:00:56,833 --> 01:00:58,875
We almost never
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01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:59,958
really experience
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01:00:59,958 --> 01:01:00,583
enough-ness.
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01:01:00,583 --> 01:01:01,125
Many of us are
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01:01:01,125 --> 01:01:01,708
grappling with, "I
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got too
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much stuff."
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01:01:02,666 --> 01:01:04,333
Jesus is trying to
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help a beleaguered
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and impoverished
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01:01:06,875 --> 01:01:08,041
people be free.
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And the answer to
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freedom is...
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01:01:17,166 --> 01:01:17,958
Biblical scholar
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Clifton Black has
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noted that North
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American culture
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does not equip its
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01:01:22,708 --> 01:01:23,291
members
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01:01:23,291 --> 01:01:24,125
particularly to
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01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:25,708
confess their
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01:01:25,708 --> 01:01:26,833
inadequacy.
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01:01:27,375 --> 01:01:27,916
Which brings to
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01:01:27,916 --> 01:01:29,250
mind Bart Simpson,
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01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:30,083
quite frankly.
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01:01:30,708 --> 01:01:31,625
When Bart Simpson
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01:01:31,625 --> 01:01:32,833
was asked to offer
90
01:01:32,833 --> 01:01:33,833
thanks before a
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01:01:33,833 --> 01:01:35,208
meal, he prayed,
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01:01:35,958 --> 01:01:37,458
"God, we worked
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01:01:37,458 --> 01:01:38,500
hard putting all
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01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:39,375
this food on the
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01:01:39,375 --> 01:01:40,875
table by ourselves.
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01:01:41,125 --> 01:01:42,000
So thanks for
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nothing."
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That isn't only a
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joke about a
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01:01:45,958 --> 01:01:47,458
cartoon character.
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01:01:48,041 --> 01:01:49,416
That captures
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something of the
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culture in which we
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stand when we pray
105
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this prayer.
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Give us this day
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our daily bread.
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01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:01,208
This is a petition
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that assumes that
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you may not eat
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tomorrow.
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Welcome to
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Converging Paths.
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I'm your host, Eric
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Elnes, and I'm a
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Christian pastor.
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01:02:11,666 --> 01:02:12,416
And I'm pleased
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once again to be
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joined by Rabbi
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Brian
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Zachary Mayer.
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Hi.
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And Zen Buddhist
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teacher Esther
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Freinkel-Tishman.
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Hello.
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Great to be with
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you all again.
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Yeah.
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So we're working
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01:02:26,791 --> 01:02:27,708
our way together
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through the
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Lord's Prayer,
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listening for what
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each of our
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traditions, how
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they may challenge,
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illuminate,
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and open up the
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words that
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Christians have
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been praying for
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nearly 2,000 years.
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But before we get
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near to what this
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line means, I want
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to start somewhere
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personal.
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Wait, before you do
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that, can you just,
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for those of us who
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may not have this
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prayer memorized,
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a Zen Buddhist, for
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instance, can you
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just recite the
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whole prayer?
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Oh, sure.
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Now, you put me on
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the spot.
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Now, I have to pray
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this all my life
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and watch
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me flub it.
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Well, actually, why
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don't I pray it?
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And if anybody's
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watching and you
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want to join in the
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prayer,
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you can too.
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And by the way, I
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use debts, not
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trespasses, but
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pray every way you
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want if you want to
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join in the
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Lord's Prayer.
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"Our Father who art
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in heaven, hallowed
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be thy name.
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Thy kingdom come.
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Thy will be done on
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earth as it
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is in heaven.
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Give us this day
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our daily bread,
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and forgive us our
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debts as we forgive
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our debtors.
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And lead us not
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into temptation,
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but deliver
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us from evil.
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For thine is the
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kingdom, and the
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power, and the
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glory forever.
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Amen."
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Hmm.
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Thank you.
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Amen.
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I have a question.
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Yeah.
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You said at the
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beginning, why not,
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instead of me
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saying it,
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let me pray it?
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Hmm.
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And the only way I
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could tell the
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01:04:00,166 --> 01:04:01,000
difference is that
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it ended with you
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saying, "Amen."
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Yes.
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What's the
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difference between
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praying it and
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saying it?
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I was
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intentionally, as I
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did in addressing
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God, not you all.
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Hmm.
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Oh, thank you.
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So the inner
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direction of what you were.
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I was paying
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attention to that.
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Thank you.
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That's a good
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question, Brian.
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I could feel it.
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I mean, as a
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listener, not
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praying along, it's
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not my prayer, but
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as a listener, I
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could feel
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that I was
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listening to prayer
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because I was
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trying to
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listen to prayer.
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I was trying to
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listen to your
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heart turn toward
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something
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that's not me.
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That's
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bigger than me.
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Yeah.
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Well, now...
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Yes.
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Let's get to that
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opening question,
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which is more
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personal again.
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That is, when was
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the last time you
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had to ask someone
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for something that
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you
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actually needed?
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Not simply a favor
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that you could have
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done without, but
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something you
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couldn't get for
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yourself.
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I have the most
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mundane of entries,
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so I'm going to
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start, so you guys
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can have.
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I had a splinter on
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the bottom of my
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foot, and I can't
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get to that
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part of my foot.
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I had to
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ask Jane to...
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I'm stuck at the
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couch in the living
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room, and I really
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can't go anywhere
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because there's a
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splinter in the
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bottom of my foot,
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and I can't
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take it out.
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I had to wait
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patiently for her,
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where it seemed
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like she took a lot
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more time to get
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the tweezers than I
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imagined it
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should take.
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I think, now
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because you told
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that story, I'm
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going to go back
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like 20 years to
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meeting my
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sister-in-law, who
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is a nurse, and we
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were in Zion
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National Park, and
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I sat on a cactus.
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Oh. And I was like...
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Ouch.
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Ouch is right.
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And so this woman
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who's brand new in
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my life, I'm like,
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"Deb, can
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you help me?"
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And we went to the
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bathroom, and I
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exposed my bum to
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my sister-in-law,
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who was new to my
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life, but it was as
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he had done.
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That's my version
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of the splinter.
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She's a nurse.
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It was okay.
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But yeah, the same
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sort of feeling of
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like, "I can't do
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this myself, and I
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can't not do
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something, but
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don't sit
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on cacti."
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Yeah, good idea.
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Eric, do you have a
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pointed story?
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Yeah, well, not as
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good as those.
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But I was thinking,
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because I really
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try to...
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I have a hard time
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asking for
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what I need.
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I'm in an Enneagram
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Five, and we're all
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convinced that
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everybody else has
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something
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that you don't...
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for survival, is
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essential for
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survival.
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So you can...
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To admit that you
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don't have
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something that you
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absolutely need is
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just confessing
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like, "Oh, yeah,
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this is me."
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But I do think
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about when I travel
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abroad, especially
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in a country whose
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language
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is not mine,
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and if I'm not part
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of a tour, if I'm
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in stuff, then I
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really regularly
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get into situations
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where like,
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"I really need
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something. I
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completely lost. I
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can't do something,
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and I need
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somebody's help."
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And that's actually
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kind of what I
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like, part of what
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I like about
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foreign travel.
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Actually, because
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it puts you into
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this vulnerable
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situation.
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But what's kind of
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curious to me about
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each of our answers
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is that we can
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think for a while
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and remember a
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time, a time, a
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time like this.
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01:07:50,708 --> 01:07:51,750
But in Jesus'
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audience, this
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01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:54,291
prayer about giving
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us our bread today,
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this was a
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daily thing.
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I mean, this was...
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01:07:58,625 --> 01:07:59,250
They didn't have to
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think about when
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they absolutely
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01:08:00,458 --> 01:08:00,958
needed to ask
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01:08:00,958 --> 01:08:01,416
somebody for
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01:08:01,416 --> 01:08:01,833
something.
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01:08:01,875 --> 01:08:02,416
This was like
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01:08:02,416 --> 01:08:03,625
Tuesday for them.
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01:08:03,791 --> 01:08:05,208
There was massive
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poverty that most
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01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:07,208
people were living
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01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:07,958
at the level of
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01:08:07,958 --> 01:08:09,083
subsistence.
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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,791
And so you really
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did have need.
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And Jesus is very
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01:08:12,541 --> 01:08:13,791
aware of that need.
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And in fact, in
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both Matthew and
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Luke's gospels
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01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:18,041
where this prayer
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01:08:18,041 --> 01:08:18,875
is contained,
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very shortly after
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01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:20,833
this prayer, you
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01:08:20,833 --> 01:08:21,541
have Jesus
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01:08:21,708 --> 01:08:22,166
basically
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01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:23,375
reassuring people
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01:08:23,375 --> 01:08:23,625
who have
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food anxiety.
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He's got, in Luke,
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01:08:26,583 --> 01:08:27,666
the very next thing
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01:08:27,666 --> 01:08:29,125
he talks about is a
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01:08:29,125 --> 01:08:30,541
man who goes to his
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neighbor and bangs
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at the door in the
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middle of the night
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because he's got
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visitors coming and
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he needs three
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01:08:36,166 --> 01:08:36,916
loaves of bread and
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01:08:36,916 --> 01:08:37,666
he doesn't have it.
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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,083
In Matthew's
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gospel, he follows
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right after this
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prayer with this,
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01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:44,833
"Do not worry about
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tomorrow."
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And remember that
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God feeds the birds
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and so you can be
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01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:52,166
assured of
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God's care.
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01:08:53,625 --> 01:08:54,416
If God cares even
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01:08:54,416 --> 01:08:55,208
for the birds, how
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01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:55,625
much more
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01:08:55,625 --> 01:08:56,291
so for you?
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01:08:56,625 --> 01:08:57,250
Which raises the
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01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:59,000
question then, for
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those of us who
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don't normally
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01:09:01,291 --> 01:09:02,083
wonder where our
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01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:03,000
next meal is
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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,750
coming from,
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01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:05,125
are we actually
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01:09:05,125 --> 01:09:06,125
praying the prayer
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01:09:06,125 --> 01:09:07,666
that Jesus was
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01:09:07,666 --> 01:09:08,166
teaching his
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01:09:08,166 --> 01:09:09,083
disciples to pray
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01:09:09,125 --> 01:09:10,125
or are we praying
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01:09:10,125 --> 01:09:11,791
something different
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01:09:12,125 --> 01:09:12,958
from that?
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01:09:13,375 --> 01:09:14,000
Well, that's a
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01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:15,375
great question.
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01:09:15,875 --> 01:09:17,583
I mean, I've always
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01:09:17,666 --> 01:09:18,875
heard those words
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01:09:18,958 --> 01:09:19,750
as meaning
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everything you have
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01:09:24,583 --> 01:09:25,416
as a kind of
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01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:26,125
invitation to
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gratitude,
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01:09:28,291 --> 01:09:30,208
not as an
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01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:31,416
acknowledgement of
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01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:33,666
deep, chronic
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01:09:34,083 --> 01:09:34,916
anxiety,
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01:09:35,458 --> 01:09:37,083
insecurity, but as
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01:09:37,208 --> 01:09:38,500
like poking
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01:09:38,583 --> 01:09:40,750
a very well,
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relatively
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01:09:41,541 --> 01:09:41,833
speaking,
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01:09:41,833 --> 01:09:42,666
well-resourced
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01:09:42,708 --> 01:09:43,791
population to be
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grateful.
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01:09:45,375 --> 01:09:48,375
From a Buddhist
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01:09:48,375 --> 01:09:49,000
perspective, the
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emphasis is always
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going to be on the
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01:09:51,666 --> 01:09:52,666
world of generosity
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01:09:52,666 --> 01:09:53,041
that we are
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01:09:53,041 --> 01:09:53,916
all a part of
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01:09:54,541 --> 01:09:55,625
and this sense of
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01:09:56,250 --> 01:09:58,916
that it's not yours
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01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:01,291
and even though
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it's not yours,
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nothing is
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01:10:03,541 --> 01:10:04,041
really yours.
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01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:06,041
We all mutually own
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01:10:06,041 --> 01:10:06,500
everything. It's
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01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:06,875
still good
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01:10:06,875 --> 01:10:07,500
to give away.
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So the tilting is
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01:10:09,208 --> 01:10:09,791
always going to be
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01:10:09,791 --> 01:10:11,750
toward how can I be
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grateful and how
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01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:13,833
can I have really
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01:10:13,833 --> 01:10:14,875
open hands with
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whatever I have.
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01:10:17,125 --> 01:10:17,833
So you're really
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01:10:17,833 --> 01:10:18,458
bringing up this
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01:10:18,458 --> 01:10:19,000
kind of this
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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000
we-ness there.
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01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:22,958
And actually that's
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01:10:22,958 --> 01:10:23,500
intrinsically in
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01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:23,916
the prayer.
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01:10:23,916 --> 01:10:24,291
That's another
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01:10:24,291 --> 01:10:25,291
little catch.
534
01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:26,291
Like we're not
535
01:10:26,291 --> 01:10:27,166
praying, Jesus
536
01:10:27,166 --> 01:10:27,916
isn't teaching us,
537
01:10:28,083 --> 01:10:30,416
give me this day my
538
01:10:30,458 --> 01:10:31,333
daily bread, but
539
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:33,125
rather give us this
540
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:34,708
day power.
541
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,666
I agree. We're
542
01:10:38,666 --> 01:10:39,291
going to follow
543
01:10:39,291 --> 01:10:41,125
with forgive us as
544
01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:42,416
we forgive others.
545
01:10:42,625 --> 01:10:43,833
The whole prayer is
546
01:10:44,291 --> 01:10:45,833
in this first
547
01:10:46,250 --> 01:10:47,416
person plural.
548
01:10:47,541 --> 01:10:48,208
Yes.
549
01:10:48,833 --> 01:10:50,708
I never had heard
550
01:10:50,708 --> 01:10:52,708
the prayer till you
551
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,583
just did, Eric, as
552
01:10:56,583 --> 01:10:57,833
being about bread.
553
01:10:58,958 --> 01:11:00,291
In my head, it was
554
01:11:00,291 --> 01:11:02,708
always give us what
555
01:11:02,708 --> 01:11:03,833
we need to get
556
01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:04,666
through the day.
557
01:11:05,458 --> 01:11:06,208
Is it really
558
01:11:06,208 --> 01:11:07,250
specifically bread?
559
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:08,458
Well, that's a
560
01:11:08,458 --> 01:11:09,500
good. Oh, yes, it
561
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:09,916
is. It's
562
01:11:09,916 --> 01:11:11,416
specifically bread.
563
01:11:11,916 --> 01:11:13,791
However, there is
564
01:11:13,791 --> 01:11:14,541
something to it,
565
01:11:14,541 --> 01:11:15,541
Brian saying in
566
01:11:15,541 --> 01:11:17,500
that that that word
567
01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:20,208
daily is actually
568
01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:21,583
in Greek.
569
01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:23,666
It's a word that
570
01:11:23,791 --> 01:11:26,000
only occurs in this
571
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,708
prayer and no other
572
01:11:28,708 --> 01:11:29,666
place that we're
573
01:11:29,666 --> 01:11:30,833
aware of anywhere
574
01:11:30,833 --> 01:11:31,666
else in Greek.
575
01:11:32,041 --> 01:11:33,833
Like so it's called
576
01:11:33,833 --> 01:11:35,625
epiousios.
577
01:11:36,208 --> 01:11:39,208
And so like people
578
01:11:39,458 --> 01:11:39,958
from the very
579
01:11:39,958 --> 01:11:40,458
beginning, they're
580
01:11:40,458 --> 01:11:41,000
wondering what does
581
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,416
this word
582
01:11:42,416 --> 01:11:43,166
mean when they read
583
01:11:43,166 --> 01:11:44,250
this in the Greek
584
01:11:44,708 --> 01:11:45,666
New Testament?
585
01:11:45,916 --> 01:11:46,750
And so even in the
586
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:47,583
early centuries,
587
01:11:47,583 --> 01:11:48,458
like you get like
588
01:11:48,458 --> 01:11:49,333
there's no better
589
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:50,166
Greek scholar than
590
01:11:50,208 --> 01:11:51,125
Origen in the early
591
01:11:51,125 --> 01:11:51,583
centuries of the
592
01:11:51,583 --> 01:11:52,208
Christian church.
593
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,333
He says, I'm not
594
01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:54,208
aware of anywhere
595
01:11:54,583 --> 01:11:56,000
at all that where
596
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,916
this word occurs
597
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,500
elsewhere.
598
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:58,583
Can I, I'm going to
599
01:11:58,583 --> 01:11:59,250
time out
600
01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:00,208
and help it.
601
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:01,250
So there's this
602
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:02,458
problem in biblical
603
01:12:02,458 --> 01:12:04,083
studies called it's
604
01:12:04,083 --> 01:12:05,125
called Hapax
605
01:12:05,125 --> 01:12:05,708
legomenon
606
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:06,041
That's
607
01:12:06,041 --> 01:12:06,750
what this is.
608
01:12:07,375 --> 01:12:07,916
Where it only
609
01:12:07,916 --> 01:12:08,750
appears once.
610
01:12:09,041 --> 01:12:09,833
It's a word that
611
01:12:09,833 --> 01:12:10,125
only
612
01:12:10,125 --> 01:12:11,125
appears one time.
613
01:12:11,333 --> 01:12:11,833
And the problem
614
01:12:11,833 --> 01:12:13,291
with that is you
615
01:12:13,291 --> 01:12:14,125
can't figure out
616
01:12:14,125 --> 01:12:15,291
from context clues
617
01:12:15,291 --> 01:12:16,000
if the word only
618
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,083
happens one time.
619
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:17,791
What does
620
01:12:17,791 --> 01:12:18,500
this mean?
621
01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:19,458
Thank you for
622
01:12:19,791 --> 01:12:20,541
giving the listener
623
01:12:20,541 --> 01:12:21,333
the reason why this
624
01:12:21,333 --> 01:12:21,833
is important.
625
01:12:22,958 --> 01:12:24,833
So, so that's
626
01:12:24,833 --> 01:12:25,791
fascinating that we
627
01:12:25,791 --> 01:12:27,000
don't give us this
628
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,125
day our daily
629
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:30,500
something was the
630
01:12:31,083 --> 01:12:32,250
word that Origen
631
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:32,666
didn't know
632
01:12:32,666 --> 01:12:33,166
what it meant.
633
01:12:33,166 --> 01:12:34,791
Was that the bread
634
01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:35,458
word or the
635
01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:36,250
daily word?
636
01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:36,833
It's the
637
01:12:36,833 --> 01:12:38,666
daily word.
638
01:12:38,916 --> 01:12:40,500
So give us this day
639
01:12:40,541 --> 01:12:41,500
our blankety
640
01:12:41,541 --> 01:12:42,458
blank bread.
641
01:12:42,541 --> 01:12:43,625
Yeah.
642
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:46,166
And so, you know,
643
01:12:46,166 --> 01:12:47,416
Greek had different
644
01:12:47,416 --> 01:12:48,541
words for daily,
645
01:12:48,541 --> 01:12:49,000
which could have
646
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,250
been
647
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:50,541
thrown in there.
648
01:12:50,875 --> 01:12:51,666
When you go to the
649
01:12:51,708 --> 01:12:53,583
Aramaic version of
650
01:12:53,583 --> 01:12:55,541
this, they did have
651
01:12:55,541 --> 01:12:56,541
a word, machar,
652
01:12:57,125 --> 01:12:57,833
which means the
653
01:12:57,833 --> 01:12:58,958
bread for tomorrow.
654
01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:00,208
Now, when Jerome,
655
01:13:00,208 --> 01:13:01,041
who first
656
01:13:01,041 --> 01:13:02,625
translated from the
657
01:13:02,625 --> 01:13:03,500
Greek to the Latin,
658
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:04,458
he translated it as
659
01:13:04,666 --> 01:13:06,416
supersubstantialem.
660
01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:08,541
Like what
661
01:13:08,625 --> 01:13:09,750
that means.
662
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:10,083
Yeah.
663
01:13:10,083 --> 01:13:10,416
Yeah.
664
01:13:10,583 --> 01:13:11,541
What he was doing
665
01:13:11,541 --> 01:13:12,916
was epi means in
666
01:13:12,916 --> 01:13:15,208
Greek above or upon
667
01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:17,208
and then ousia means
668
01:13:17,208 --> 01:13:17,916
work, right?
669
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:18,750
No, being
670
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:19,666
or essence.
671
01:13:19,875 --> 01:13:21,208
So he's like, OK,
672
01:13:21,291 --> 01:13:23,500
above being or like
673
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,041
beyond, like super,
674
01:13:25,041 --> 01:13:27,500
super beyond this.
675
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,250
Give us today our
676
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:30,541
daily beyondness.
677
01:13:30,833 --> 01:13:31,583
No, not daily.
678
01:13:31,583 --> 01:13:33,500
Give us today our
679
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:34,000
super
680
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,041
substantial bread.
681
01:13:35,708 --> 01:13:39,000
That goes with like
682
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:39,916
the bread being the
683
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:40,625
something of
684
01:13:40,625 --> 01:13:41,791
life, right?
685
01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:42,958
The bread is the
686
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,333
staff of life.
687
01:13:44,666 --> 01:13:45,416
Bread is the
688
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:46,916
foundation of
689
01:13:46,916 --> 01:13:47,666
our culture.
690
01:13:47,833 --> 01:13:48,666
Yeah.
691
01:13:48,666 --> 01:13:49,958
And of course, if
692
01:13:49,958 --> 01:13:50,666
you just go daily,
693
01:13:50,666 --> 01:13:51,375
that would make
694
01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:52,541
working out
695
01:13:52,583 --> 01:13:53,208
perfectly that
696
01:13:53,208 --> 01:13:53,958
where Jerome was
697
01:13:53,958 --> 01:13:54,375
getting with that
698
01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:55,791
supersubstantialem
699
01:13:55,791 --> 01:13:57,500
that was more like
700
01:13:57,791 --> 01:13:58,375
thinking of this
701
01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,708
more as an essence.
702
01:13:59,708 --> 01:14:00,291
Like you think
703
01:14:00,291 --> 01:14:01,375
about like how
704
01:14:01,375 --> 01:14:01,916
Christians will
705
01:14:01,916 --> 01:14:03,750
take the the bread
706
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:04,666
of the of the
707
01:14:04,666 --> 01:14:05,416
Eucharist.
708
01:14:05,541 --> 01:14:06,250
You're like, that's
709
01:14:06,291 --> 01:14:07,583
this is super.
710
01:14:07,708 --> 01:14:08,083
It's not
711
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:08,666
just bread.
712
01:14:08,666 --> 01:14:09,500
It's more
713
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,041
than bread.
714
01:14:10,541 --> 01:14:11,416
So like give us
715
01:14:11,458 --> 01:14:13,333
our, you know, our
716
01:14:13,333 --> 01:14:14,541
substance.
717
01:14:14,541 --> 01:14:15,291
So that makes the
718
01:14:15,291 --> 01:14:16,375
whole thing less
719
01:14:16,375 --> 01:14:17,416
about your present
720
01:14:17,416 --> 01:14:19,750
anxiety that like
721
01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:20,541
subsistence
722
01:14:20,541 --> 01:14:21,250
culture.
723
01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:22,916
I'm really worried
724
01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:24,000
about where my next
725
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,166
meal is coming from
726
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:26,750
and more, you know,
727
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:28,375
it makes it more
728
01:14:28,375 --> 01:14:29,250
ethereal, more
729
01:14:29,250 --> 01:14:29,958
spiritual.
730
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,458
I don't like
731
01:14:30,458 --> 01:14:31,250
that reading.
732
01:14:31,708 --> 01:14:32,458
Yeah, definitely.
733
01:14:32,541 --> 01:14:33,083
Yeah, definitely
734
01:14:33,083 --> 01:14:33,500
makes it more
735
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:34,375
spiritualized.
736
01:14:34,625 --> 01:14:35,416
But basically,
737
01:14:35,416 --> 01:14:36,291
there's you know,
738
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:37,250
there were three
739
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:38,458
primary ways that
740
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:39,750
the ancients
741
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:40,791
and biblical
742
01:14:40,875 --> 01:14:41,458
have come down that
743
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:43,166
either give us what
744
01:14:43,166 --> 01:14:44,541
we need to survive,
745
01:14:44,541 --> 01:14:45,291
which might get to
746
01:14:45,291 --> 01:14:46,000
that
747
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,916
supersubstantial in more
748
01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:48,000
concrete ways.
749
01:14:48,041 --> 01:14:48,375
Yeah.
750
01:14:48,666 --> 01:14:49,291
And then there's
751
01:14:49,375 --> 01:14:50,333
give us today's
752
01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:51,041
bread or our
753
01:14:51,041 --> 01:14:51,625
daily bread.
754
01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:52,708
And then there's
755
01:14:52,708 --> 01:14:54,083
give us tomorrow's
756
01:14:54,083 --> 01:14:55,250
bread today.
757
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:57,916
That sounds like
758
01:14:57,916 --> 01:14:58,250
something
759
01:14:58,250 --> 01:15:01,208
out of windy.
760
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:03,041
How kindly pay you
761
01:15:03,041 --> 01:15:03,625
tomorrow.
762
01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:06,750
Well, but that
763
01:15:06,791 --> 01:15:07,375
that's coming from
764
01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:07,500
that
765
01:15:07,541 --> 01:15:08,333
Aramaic version.
766
01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:10,000
I mean, it ends up
767
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,583
being so much like
768
01:15:11,583 --> 01:15:14,916
what do you, what
769
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,500
is this, what is
770
01:15:16,583 --> 01:15:17,125
Jesus
771
01:15:17,125 --> 01:15:18,208
teaching us to ask
772
01:15:18,208 --> 01:15:19,750
for? Because He's
773
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:20,541
teaching us to pray
774
01:15:20,541 --> 01:15:21,625
here, right? That's
775
01:15:21,625 --> 01:15:22,500
the whole point of
776
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:23,166
the Lord's Prayer.
777
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:23,750
He's like, here's
778
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:24,250
how you should
779
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,666
pray. And if He
780
01:15:26,708 --> 01:15:27,541
then goes on to
781
01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:28,166
say, you know,
782
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:30,416
the lilies toil
783
01:15:30,416 --> 01:15:31,750
not, the birds are
784
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:34,250
fed. I mean, then
785
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:35,166
it does suggest
786
01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:36,000
He's, this
787
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,791
is directly
788
01:15:37,041 --> 01:15:37,750
addressing a
789
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:38,125
present
790
01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:39,250
moment anxiety.
791
01:15:39,458 --> 01:15:40,500
Yeah. And maybe
792
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:42,500
also, you know,
793
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:43,666
reminding us, hey,
794
01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:45,333
we are god's. I
795
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:45,916
think about
796
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:46,916
like, Brian,
797
01:15:46,916 --> 01:15:47,458
I'm sure you could
798
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,583
elucidate this
799
01:15:48,583 --> 01:15:49,291
better than I could
800
01:15:49,291 --> 01:15:50,333
even, you know,
801
01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:50,750
think about
802
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:51,291
the manna,
803
01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:52,208
you know, that that
804
01:15:52,208 --> 01:15:52,750
tradition.
805
01:15:52,958 --> 01:15:53,583
Yeah, I was
806
01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:54,166
thinking about
807
01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,583
that. Right. So we
808
01:15:55,583 --> 01:15:56,333
have the Exodus
809
01:15:56,333 --> 01:15:57,083
story and they have
810
01:15:57,083 --> 01:15:57,916
nothing to eat.
811
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:58,375
And they're
812
01:15:58,375 --> 01:15:59,250
complaining and
813
01:16:00,458 --> 01:16:02,541
there's manna from
814
01:16:02,541 --> 01:16:03,458
heaven. We don't
815
01:16:03,458 --> 01:16:04,208
know exactly what
816
01:16:04,208 --> 01:16:05,250
it was, but
817
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:09,375
it was a daily, and
818
01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:10,250
you weren't allowed
819
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,958
to pick more than
820
01:16:11,958 --> 01:16:13,583
your one day's
821
01:16:13,666 --> 01:16:15,541
need. And
822
01:16:15,541 --> 01:16:16,250
if you did,
823
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:17,250
it would rot and
824
01:16:17,250 --> 01:16:19,000
spoil and horrible
825
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:20,708
horror special
826
01:16:20,708 --> 01:16:21,958
effects would pop
827
01:16:21,958 --> 01:16:22,791
out of your manna.
828
01:16:23,458 --> 01:16:25,708
Except for the
829
01:16:25,708 --> 01:16:27,000
Sabbath, because
830
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:27,916
you had to, you
831
01:16:27,958 --> 01:16:29,166
collected a double,
832
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:30,625
a double portion
833
01:16:30,666 --> 01:16:31,875
allotment on
834
01:16:31,916 --> 01:16:33,000
the Sabbath because
835
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:33,583
you couldn't
836
01:16:33,583 --> 01:16:35,375
collect it on the
837
01:16:35,375 --> 01:16:38,750
Sabbath. So Friday,
838
01:16:38,750 --> 01:16:39,250
you would
839
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:39,833
collect two
840
01:16:39,833 --> 01:16:40,708
pieces so that
841
01:16:40,708 --> 01:16:42,000
you'd have enough
842
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,208
for
843
01:16:42,208 --> 01:16:43,791
Saturday as well.
844
01:16:43,833 --> 01:16:44,458
You're collecting
845
01:16:44,458 --> 01:16:45,333
tomorrow's bread
846
01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:46,166
today, if it's
847
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:46,791
Friday then.
848
01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:48,083
Yeah.
849
01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:48,458
Yeah.
850
01:16:49,916 --> 01:16:50,833
There's something
851
01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:51,583
that goes back to
852
01:16:51,583 --> 01:16:52,708
your Bart Simpson,
853
01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:54,791
that the blessing
854
01:16:54,791 --> 01:16:55,166
that we
855
01:16:55,166 --> 01:16:56,750
say for bread
856
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:59,750
in Hebrew is that
857
01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:01,250
we thank God for
858
01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:02,625
bringing forth
859
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:03,833
bread from the
860
01:17:03,833 --> 01:17:06,416
earth, where we
861
01:17:06,416 --> 01:17:07,916
know that
862
01:17:08,708 --> 01:17:09,958
God brings forth
863
01:17:09,958 --> 01:17:11,416
the grapes for the
864
01:17:11,416 --> 01:17:12,583
wine that we drink,
865
01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:13,916
but God doesn't
866
01:17:13,916 --> 01:17:15,208
bring forth bread.
867
01:17:15,583 --> 01:17:16,500
We have to make it.
868
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,041
We have to make it.
869
01:17:18,625 --> 01:17:19,875
And so there's the,
870
01:17:19,875 --> 01:17:21,500
the rabbis go a
871
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:22,916
little fun about
872
01:17:23,208 --> 01:17:23,916
how we have to
873
01:17:23,916 --> 01:17:24,958
partner with God in
874
01:17:24,958 --> 01:17:25,833
order to make
875
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:27,166
things right.
876
01:17:27,458 --> 01:17:29,166
Hmm. But there's,
877
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:30,375
but the, sorry.
878
01:17:30,375 --> 01:17:30,791
Yeah, go ahead.
879
01:17:30,791 --> 01:17:31,500
No, the manna
880
01:17:31,625 --> 01:17:32,541
thing, that's
881
01:17:32,541 --> 01:17:33,000
always kind of
882
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:33,791
rankled me. It's
883
01:17:33,791 --> 01:17:34,500
sort of like
884
01:17:36,166 --> 01:17:37,833
God, you know, that
885
01:17:38,208 --> 01:17:39,000
God would want to
886
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,750
keep us kind of
887
01:17:39,833 --> 01:17:41,416
dependent on Him.
888
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:41,916
Like you,
889
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:42,541
no, no, no, no,
890
01:17:42,541 --> 01:17:43,416
no, no, no. Like
891
01:17:43,833 --> 01:17:45,333
that Hebrew Bible
892
01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:47,375
story suggests like
893
01:17:47,458 --> 01:17:48,166
you stay in
894
01:17:48,166 --> 01:17:49,041
relationship with
895
01:17:49,041 --> 01:17:49,625
God. Like you
896
01:17:49,625 --> 01:17:50,875
don't, it's not,
897
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:51,791
there's not a gift
898
01:17:51,791 --> 01:17:52,166
here that you're
899
01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:53,000
going to store up
900
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,250
so that
901
01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:53,666
you can live
902
01:17:53,666 --> 01:17:54,333
independently. It
903
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:54,916
reminds me of what
904
01:17:54,916 --> 01:17:55,500
you were saying
905
01:17:56,125 --> 01:17:58,291
about the last time
906
01:17:58,291 --> 01:18:00,000
that we, I
907
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:00,458
think the
908
01:18:00,708 --> 01:18:01,541
anecdote you were
909
01:18:01,541 --> 01:18:02,458
sharing about
910
01:18:02,583 --> 01:18:03,958
traveling, Eric,
911
01:18:03,958 --> 01:18:04,708
was pointing to the
912
01:18:04,708 --> 01:18:05,666
ways in which you
913
01:18:05,708 --> 01:18:06,375
appreciate
914
01:18:06,375 --> 01:18:06,958
that kind of
915
01:18:07,458 --> 01:18:08,166
opportunity to be
916
01:18:08,166 --> 01:18:10,166
dependent. Always
917
01:18:10,583 --> 01:18:11,125
relied on the
918
01:18:11,125 --> 01:18:11,541
kindness of
919
01:18:11,541 --> 01:18:12,166
strangers, you
920
01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:12,958
know? But
921
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:14,708
I don't want to, I
922
01:18:14,708 --> 01:18:16,166
don't want to be
923
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:17,250
constantly
924
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:18,416
dependent on, like,
925
01:18:18,416 --> 01:18:18,750
I don't want
926
01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:19,291
to do that. I
927
01:18:19,291 --> 01:18:19,916
want to be able to
928
01:18:19,916 --> 01:18:20,666
be self-reliant.
929
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:21,500
Aren't I supposed
930
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:22,458
to be self-reliant?
931
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,791
Oh, believe me. I
932
01:18:23,791 --> 01:18:24,833
just, I just, I
933
01:18:24,833 --> 01:18:25,666
just did an
934
01:18:25,708 --> 01:18:26,541
inventory literally
935
01:18:26,541 --> 01:18:27,208
today of our
936
01:18:27,208 --> 01:18:27,833
emergency
937
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:29,541
food supply. We
938
01:18:29,541 --> 01:18:30,708
have three months
939
01:18:31,041 --> 01:18:32,291
of emergency
940
01:18:32,291 --> 01:18:32,833
food supply.
941
01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:34,125
Okay. We're coming
942
01:18:34,125 --> 01:18:34,583
over here.
943
01:18:34,583 --> 01:18:35,250
Yeah, I probably
944
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:35,500
shouldn't have
945
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:36,000
mentioned that
946
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,958
on a podcast.
947
01:18:37,541 --> 01:18:38,333
Come to Brian's.
948
01:18:38,416 --> 01:18:38,750
I'm coming
949
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:39,750
to Eric's.
950
01:18:40,666 --> 01:18:41,625
I have pickles.
951
01:18:41,666 --> 01:18:42,958
So I got well
952
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000
beyond tomorrow's
953
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,166
bread today. But
954
01:18:46,583 --> 01:18:47,041
isn't there
955
01:18:47,041 --> 01:18:47,625
something in
956
01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:48,833
Buddhism, the, the-
957
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:49,666
oryoki?
958
01:18:49,833 --> 01:18:50,250
Yeah.
959
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,958
So yes, oryoki is a
960
01:18:53,958 --> 01:18:55,416
beautiful ritual
961
01:18:55,416 --> 01:18:56,875
that we, you know,
962
01:18:56,875 --> 01:18:57,083
in a
963
01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:58,916
monastery, it might be
964
01:18:59,666 --> 01:19:00,291
the way that you
965
01:19:00,291 --> 01:19:01,708
eat every meal or
966
01:19:01,916 --> 01:19:03,625
most meals. I only
967
01:19:03,625 --> 01:19:05,458
eat oryoki on a
968
01:19:05,541 --> 01:19:06,583
silent retreat, but
969
01:19:06,833 --> 01:19:07,500
it's a very
970
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:07,916
elaborate
971
01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:08,916
ritualized way of
972
01:19:08,958 --> 01:19:09,666
eating with three
973
01:19:09,666 --> 01:19:10,333
bowls and you're
974
01:19:10,333 --> 01:19:13,250
served. And really
975
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:15,000
the whole, the word
976
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,166
oryoki means like
977
01:19:16,166 --> 01:19:17,250
the right portion,
978
01:19:17,541 --> 01:19:18,666
like the right size
979
01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:20,541
portion. And, you
980
01:19:20,541 --> 01:19:21,000
know, you're,
981
01:19:21,083 --> 01:19:22,291
you're being fed
982
01:19:23,208 --> 01:19:24,708
your meal in bowls
983
01:19:25,166 --> 01:19:26,833
and you, you can
984
01:19:26,833 --> 01:19:29,500
say more or less.
985
01:19:30,791 --> 01:19:31,916
But you have to
986
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,541
eat everything in
987
01:19:32,541 --> 01:19:33,375
your bowl because
988
01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:34,291
at the end of the
989
01:19:34,291 --> 01:19:35,375
meal, water is
990
01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:36,750
going to be hot
991
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:37,083
water is going
992
01:19:37,083 --> 01:19:37,666
to be passed around
993
01:19:37,666 --> 01:19:37,958
and it's going to
994
01:19:37,958 --> 01:19:38,875
be poured. You're
995
01:19:38,875 --> 01:19:39,375
going to pour it
996
01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:39,916
from one bowl to
997
01:19:39,916 --> 01:19:40,250
the next,
998
01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:40,583
and then you're
999
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:41,208
going to wipe it
1000
01:19:41,208 --> 01:19:41,875
clean. And so
1001
01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:43,083
there's not food, I
1002
01:19:43,083 --> 01:19:43,375
mean, there's
1003
01:19:43,375 --> 01:19:43,875
nowhere to put,
1004
01:19:44,041 --> 01:19:44,958
you don't compost
1005
01:19:44,958 --> 01:19:45,916
your oryoki food,
1006
01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:47,708
you eat it. So it's
1007
01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:48,500
a, it's a real
1008
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:50,000
training and take
1009
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,833
what you need
1010
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:55,666
and no more. And so
1011
01:19:55,666 --> 01:19:56,541
it's a con it's
1012
01:19:56,541 --> 01:19:57,250
just a very
1013
01:19:57,250 --> 01:19:58,416
skillful kind of
1014
01:19:58,500 --> 01:19:59,916
practice of, on the
1015
01:19:59,916 --> 01:20:00,291
one hand,
1016
01:20:00,416 --> 01:20:01,166
practice in dealing
1017
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:02,458
with my greed, like
1018
01:20:02,625 --> 01:20:03,375
my eyes are bigger
1019
01:20:03,375 --> 01:20:04,291
than my stomach. I
1020
01:20:04,291 --> 01:20:05,083
got to be careful.
1021
01:20:05,375 --> 01:20:06,500
I also, since it's
1022
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:07,208
a silent retreat,
1023
01:20:07,208 --> 01:20:07,791
I'm not sort of
1024
01:20:07,791 --> 01:20:08,333
saying, well, is
1025
01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:08,666
there enough
1026
01:20:08,666 --> 01:20:09,208
salt in that?
1027
01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:09,666
Could I have some
1028
01:20:09,666 --> 01:20:10,500
salt? I have to eat
1029
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:11,291
it exactly as it
1030
01:20:11,291 --> 01:20:13,708
is. But that's
1031
01:20:13,708 --> 01:20:14,291
like, I think
1032
01:20:14,291 --> 01:20:14,625
that's the
1033
01:20:14,625 --> 01:20:15,750
surface level of
1034
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:16,666
it. Cause really
1035
01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:17,375
what the whole
1036
01:20:17,375 --> 01:20:18,083
practice is
1037
01:20:18,083 --> 01:20:19,083
teaching me is that
1038
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:20,333
I'm completely
1039
01:20:20,333 --> 01:20:21,083
reliant on the
1040
01:20:21,083 --> 01:20:23,291
food, on the
1041
01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:24,541
server, on the
1042
01:20:24,583 --> 01:20:26,250
earth. It is a
1043
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:27,000
practice that
1044
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,041
reminds me of the
1045
01:20:28,041 --> 01:20:28,958
harmony of
1046
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:29,625
the food. And in fact, the meal
1047
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:30,541
chant that we chant
1048
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:31,958
is talks about the
1049
01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:33,958
interdependence of
1050
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,625
the giver,
1051
01:20:34,791 --> 01:20:36,041
the receiver and
1052
01:20:36,041 --> 01:20:36,750
the gift, because
1053
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:38,583
at its core, oryoki
1054
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:40,333
is mimicking what
1055
01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:40,708
it would be
1056
01:20:40,708 --> 01:20:41,250
like to do
1057
01:20:41,291 --> 01:20:42,333
alms arounds where
1058
01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:43,041
you walk around
1059
01:20:43,041 --> 01:20:44,041
with an empty bowl
1060
01:20:44,083 --> 01:20:45,000
and you eat what
1061
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:45,791
you receive
1062
01:20:46,041 --> 01:20:46,750
and you are
1063
01:20:46,750 --> 01:20:49,875
grateful. So this
1064
01:20:49,875 --> 01:20:50,750
is the ritualized
1065
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:53,541
version of the food
1066
01:20:53,541 --> 01:20:54,625
insecurity of a
1067
01:20:54,666 --> 01:20:55,333
mendicant.
1068
01:20:55,791 --> 01:20:57,333
Darrell Bock
1069
01:20:57,333 --> 01:20:58,916
Could this be where
1070
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,500
our three
1071
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,583
traditions actually
1072
01:21:00,625 --> 01:21:01,125
do have a
1073
01:21:01,125 --> 01:21:01,750
convergence
1074
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:02,250
point? I mean,
1075
01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:03,708
that sounds like it
1076
01:21:03,708 --> 01:21:04,583
kind of is in
1077
01:21:04,583 --> 01:21:05,666
harmony with the
1078
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,500
manna piece. Maybe
1079
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:07,833
it's not so
1080
01:21:07,833 --> 01:21:08,333
much about
1081
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:09,625
even teaching
1082
01:21:09,833 --> 01:21:11,166
dependence on God,
1083
01:21:11,166 --> 01:21:12,000
although I would
1084
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,750
not rule that out
1085
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:14,041
at all. But also,
1086
01:21:14,041 --> 01:21:14,958
it is about that
1087
01:21:14,958 --> 01:21:16,250
just you get enough
1088
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:17,041
for the day
1089
01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:18,083
training to like,
1090
01:21:18,208 --> 01:21:19,083
just sit, to have
1091
01:21:19,083 --> 01:21:19,708
enough. And
1092
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:20,666
that's where Jesus
1093
01:21:20,666 --> 01:21:21,833
is, give us this
1094
01:21:21,833 --> 01:21:23,416
day our daily bread
1095
01:21:23,458 --> 01:21:25,166
is just talking
1096
01:21:25,166 --> 01:21:26,000
about taking,
1097
01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:27,666
you having enough,
1098
01:21:27,916 --> 01:21:28,916
not like, like
1099
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,791
think about the
1100
01:21:29,791 --> 01:21:31,166
prosperity gospel,
1101
01:21:31,666 --> 01:21:32,333
Christianity, like,
1102
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:33,250
hey, if you just
1103
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:33,916
have faith, you'll
1104
01:21:33,916 --> 01:21:34,958
have super
1105
01:21:34,958 --> 01:21:35,625
abundance. You
1106
01:21:35,625 --> 01:21:37,125
won't have just a
1107
01:21:37,125 --> 01:21:37,750
piece of bread,
1108
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:38,166
you'll have the
1109
01:21:38,166 --> 01:21:39,125
whole bakery if you
1110
01:21:39,125 --> 01:21:39,708
just have enough
1111
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:40,458
faith. And yet
1112
01:21:40,458 --> 01:21:41,208
Jesus is really
1113
01:21:41,208 --> 01:21:41,958
parrying that down
1114
01:21:41,958 --> 01:21:42,208
to this
1115
01:21:42,208 --> 01:21:43,833
daily thing.
1116
01:21:44,125 --> 01:21:45,250
I just, I feel
1117
01:21:45,250 --> 01:21:47,166
like, I mean, my
1118
01:21:47,541 --> 01:21:48,666
thumbnail sketch of
1119
01:21:48,916 --> 01:21:51,291
Jesus is, he's
1120
01:21:51,291 --> 01:21:53,875
trying to help a
1121
01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:54,583
beleaguered
1122
01:21:54,625 --> 01:21:55,833
and impoverished
1123
01:21:55,875 --> 01:21:57,083
and anxious people
1124
01:21:57,083 --> 01:21:58,416
be free, to really
1125
01:21:58,416 --> 01:22:01,250
feel free. And the
1126
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:02,708
answer to
1127
01:22:02,708 --> 01:22:03,458
freedom is,
1128
01:22:04,083 --> 01:22:05,125
there's enough,
1129
01:22:05,291 --> 01:22:06,125
feeling like
1130
01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:06,708
there's enough,
1131
01:22:06,708 --> 01:22:08,125
feeling resourced.
1132
01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,458
And for us
1133
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:11,291
in the modern
1134
01:22:11,333 --> 01:22:12,958
world, us at least
1135
01:22:12,958 --> 01:22:15,000
sitting here, we
1136
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,375
almost never really
1137
01:22:16,375 --> 01:22:17,000
experience
1138
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:17,625
enoughness,
1139
01:22:17,625 --> 01:22:18,000
because we're
1140
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,916
actually grappling
1141
01:22:18,916 --> 01:22:19,833
with, think about
1142
01:22:19,833 --> 01:22:21,583
like the trend of
1143
01:22:21,583 --> 01:22:22,250
minimalism,
1144
01:22:22,291 --> 01:22:23,166
like so many of us
1145
01:22:23,166 --> 01:22:23,750
are grappling with,
1146
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:24,375
I got too much
1147
01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:25,166
stuff, how do I
1148
01:22:25,166 --> 01:22:26,083
get... We don't
1149
01:22:26,958 --> 01:22:27,625
live on the
1150
01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:29,041
edge of enoughness.
1151
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:32,291
But that is seems
1152
01:22:32,291 --> 01:22:32,750
like that's where
1153
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:33,500
freedom is.
1154
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,291
So,
1155
01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:37,958
I'm curious,
1156
01:22:39,666 --> 01:22:40,166
where is the
1157
01:22:40,166 --> 01:22:41,333
prayer in this?
1158
01:22:41,416 --> 01:22:41,750
Yeah.
1159
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:44,083
Usually, like,
1160
01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:44,666
what are we
1161
01:22:44,666 --> 01:22:46,125
asking God for?
1162
01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:51,708
Give us a...
1163
01:22:53,166 --> 01:22:53,666
The
1164
01:22:53,666 --> 01:22:54,666
non-theist here?
1165
01:22:55,833 --> 01:22:56,791
Who secretly
1166
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:58,833
loves talking
1167
01:22:58,833 --> 01:22:59,541
about, and I guess
1168
01:22:59,541 --> 01:23:00,291
not so secretly
1169
01:23:00,291 --> 01:23:00,666
since this
1170
01:23:00,666 --> 01:23:01,250
is a public
1171
01:23:01,625 --> 01:23:02,583
broadcast. I love
1172
01:23:02,583 --> 01:23:03,083
talking about God.
1173
01:23:04,791 --> 01:23:05,416
I feel like we're
1174
01:23:05,416 --> 01:23:06,083
asking God for
1175
01:23:06,083 --> 01:23:08,250
freedom, you know?
1176
01:23:09,875 --> 01:23:11,875
I would say
1177
01:23:11,875 --> 01:23:13,125
yes if we found a
1178
01:23:13,125 --> 01:23:13,916
manuscript that
1179
01:23:13,916 --> 01:23:14,958
said, "Give
1180
01:23:14,958 --> 01:23:16,666
us the feeling,
1181
01:23:17,541 --> 01:23:19,083
give us sufficient
1182
01:23:19,083 --> 01:23:21,666
bread." Well, maybe
1183
01:23:21,666 --> 01:23:22,833
that's what that
1184
01:23:22,833 --> 01:23:23,791
daily word is
1185
01:23:23,791 --> 01:23:24,250
trying to get to.
1186
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:24,583
Maybe that's
1187
01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:25,333
what he's saying.
1188
01:23:25,875 --> 01:23:26,125
Yeah,
1189
01:23:26,208 --> 01:23:26,750
I think so.
1190
01:23:26,916 --> 01:23:27,291
Give...
1191
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:28,625
Yeah, I
1192
01:23:28,625 --> 01:23:29,000
think he...
1193
01:23:29,666 --> 01:23:29,875
Dayenu.
1194
01:23:29,875 --> 01:23:30,833
Yeah, Dayenu,
1195
01:23:30,916 --> 01:23:32,750
yeah. That would
1196
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:33,458
have been enough if
1197
01:23:33,458 --> 01:23:34,000
it just had been
1198
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:34,208
that.
1199
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:35,333
That's a Jewish
1200
01:23:36,791 --> 01:23:39,250
prayer. So, yeah,
1201
01:23:39,833 --> 01:23:40,375
especially if you
1202
01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:40,916
look at what
1203
01:23:40,916 --> 01:23:41,541
follows with that,
1204
01:23:41,541 --> 01:23:41,875
"Do not
1205
01:23:41,875 --> 01:23:42,666
worry" and stuff,
1206
01:23:42,666 --> 01:23:43,208
it's like, yeah,
1207
01:23:44,166 --> 01:23:44,875
maybe it's
1208
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:47,250
literally like if
1209
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:48,083
you're on the edge,
1210
01:23:48,083 --> 01:23:48,291
like,
1211
01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:49,041
"Remind me that
1212
01:23:49,833 --> 01:23:50,916
I will have enough
1213
01:23:50,916 --> 01:23:51,916
to survive. I'm not
1214
01:23:51,916 --> 01:23:52,416
going to be as
1215
01:23:52,416 --> 01:23:53,125
anxious." And maybe
1216
01:23:53,125 --> 01:23:53,791
for those of us who
1217
01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:54,458
aren't worrying
1218
01:23:54,458 --> 01:23:55,791
about our next meal
1219
01:23:55,958 --> 01:23:56,666
every day like
1220
01:23:56,666 --> 01:23:58,125
that, maybe it is
1221
01:23:58,125 --> 01:23:58,583
returning
1222
01:23:58,583 --> 01:23:59,458
us to that
1223
01:23:59,750 --> 01:24:00,416
"Oh my gosh,
1224
01:24:00,416 --> 01:24:01,500
reminding us, oh, I
1225
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:02,208
do have enough.
1226
01:24:03,291 --> 01:24:05,125
Survival is my most
1227
01:24:05,125 --> 01:24:05,958
basic need
1228
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:06,708
is being met.
1229
01:24:06,708 --> 01:24:07,708
I'm grateful," like
1230
01:24:07,708 --> 01:24:09,500
you were saying. I
1231
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:10,250
also think I wonder
1232
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:10,541
about the
1233
01:24:10,583 --> 01:24:11,250
"us." You know,
1234
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:12,083
that you go back to
1235
01:24:12,083 --> 01:24:13,250
the "us." He's
1236
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:15,375
giving us this day
1237
01:24:15,416 --> 01:24:16,375
our daily bread.
1238
01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:16,791
It's not
1239
01:24:16,833 --> 01:24:19,166
me and mine.
1240
01:24:19,875 --> 01:24:21,166
Does that change
1241
01:24:21,208 --> 01:24:22,000
the equation?
1242
01:24:22,166 --> 01:24:22,583
Okay, so
1243
01:24:22,583 --> 01:24:23,333
there's this other
1244
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:23,791
thing about
1245
01:24:23,833 --> 01:24:26,500
oryoki that might
1246
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:27,125
be relevant to
1247
01:24:27,125 --> 01:24:28,125
this, which is
1248
01:24:29,375 --> 01:24:30,833
there is, although
1249
01:24:30,916 --> 01:24:31,791
in theory,
1250
01:24:32,041 --> 01:24:32,625
the server's
1251
01:24:32,625 --> 01:24:33,250
walking around,
1252
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:34,125
everyone's sitting
1253
01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,125
at their cushions,
1254
01:24:36,375 --> 01:24:37,416
you're just looking
1255
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:38,333
down at the ground
1256
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:38,791
in front of you
1257
01:24:38,791 --> 01:24:39,625
holding your bowls.
1258
01:24:39,958 --> 01:24:41,916
But it doesn't take
1259
01:24:41,916 --> 01:24:42,875
you too long to
1260
01:24:42,875 --> 01:24:43,666
become the kind of
1261
01:24:43,666 --> 01:24:44,250
practitioner
1262
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:45,000
who's watching to
1263
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,208
make sure that
1264
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:47,083
there's enough food
1265
01:24:47,083 --> 01:24:48,041
in the bowl to go
1266
01:24:48,041 --> 01:24:48,833
all the way around,
1267
01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:49,708
sometimes the cook
1268
01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:50,833
screws up or
1269
01:24:50,833 --> 01:24:51,541
sometimes someone
1270
01:24:51,541 --> 01:24:52,291
was really hungry
1271
01:24:52,291 --> 01:24:54,083
earlier. So part of
1272
01:24:54,083 --> 01:24:54,541
the practice of
1273
01:24:54,583 --> 01:24:55,291
oryoki is also
1274
01:24:55,291 --> 01:24:58,041
being like, "Ooh, I
1275
01:24:58,083 --> 01:24:58,791
should..." Yeah,
1276
01:24:58,791 --> 01:24:59,375
community, like,
1277
01:24:59,458 --> 01:25:00,541
"Ooh, I could
1278
01:25:00,541 --> 01:25:01,708
ask for like three
1279
01:25:01,708 --> 01:25:02,791
helpings right now
1280
01:25:02,791 --> 01:25:03,416
and have a really
1281
01:25:03,416 --> 01:25:04,208
full bowl, but
1282
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:04,583
that's not
1283
01:25:04,583 --> 01:25:04,958
going to then
1284
01:25:04,958 --> 01:25:05,666
meet my friend
1285
01:25:05,666 --> 01:25:06,625
across the way or
1286
01:25:06,708 --> 01:25:07,833
whatever might, so
1287
01:25:07,833 --> 01:25:08,458
I'm going to ask
1288
01:25:08,458 --> 01:25:09,083
for less
1289
01:25:09,958 --> 01:25:12,041
because my enough
1290
01:25:13,166 --> 01:25:13,958
needs to be
1291
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,083
everyone's enough
1292
01:25:17,458 --> 01:25:18,416
or it's not
1293
01:25:18,416 --> 01:25:19,333
really enough."
1294
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:22,666
If the oryoki
1295
01:25:22,666 --> 01:25:23,750
training is like,
1296
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:25,166
"My enough has got
1297
01:25:25,166 --> 01:25:26,166
to be enough for
1298
01:25:26,166 --> 01:25:26,916
all of us."
1299
01:25:27,208 --> 01:25:27,708
Yeah, I really
1300
01:25:27,708 --> 01:25:28,083
think there
1301
01:25:28,083 --> 01:25:29,250
is a justice
1302
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:30,416
piece in that, the
1303
01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:31,583
us piece in this.
1304
01:25:31,708 --> 01:25:32,625
If I'm not worrying
1305
01:25:32,625 --> 01:25:33,208
about my next
1306
01:25:33,208 --> 01:25:33,625
meal, in fact,
1307
01:25:33,625 --> 01:25:33,958
I don't have to
1308
01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:34,416
worry for a
1309
01:25:34,416 --> 01:25:34,875
few months.
1310
01:25:35,125 --> 01:25:35,750
You've got
1311
01:25:36,125 --> 01:25:36,666
three months.
1312
01:25:36,750 --> 01:25:37,208
But let's say
1313
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:37,791
that emergency
1314
01:25:37,791 --> 01:25:38,875
happens. Okay, I've
1315
01:25:38,875 --> 01:25:39,541
got my three month
1316
01:25:39,541 --> 01:25:39,916
supply,
1317
01:25:39,916 --> 01:25:40,666
you're hungry.
1318
01:25:40,916 --> 01:25:41,333
Yeah.
1319
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:41,875
You know, so
1320
01:25:41,916 --> 01:25:42,708
for me to pray,
1321
01:25:42,708 --> 01:25:44,125
"Give us this day
1322
01:25:44,166 --> 01:25:45,291
our daily bread,"
1323
01:25:45,541 --> 01:25:46,625
to me, if I'm
1324
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:47,083
going to pray
1325
01:25:47,083 --> 01:25:48,583
that sincerely, it
1326
01:25:48,583 --> 01:25:49,208
kind of implies
1327
01:25:49,208 --> 01:25:49,625
that, well, if
1328
01:25:49,625 --> 01:25:50,750
Esther's coming at
1329
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:52,166
my door with
1330
01:25:52,208 --> 01:25:52,708
food, like,
1331
01:25:53,541 --> 01:25:54,458
it's us. I'm
1332
01:25:54,458 --> 01:25:55,375
praying for us, not
1333
01:25:55,375 --> 01:25:56,083
just for me.
1334
01:25:56,625 --> 01:25:57,583
Yeah, I think
1335
01:25:57,583 --> 01:25:57,833
you need a
1336
01:25:57,833 --> 01:25:58,583
lot more food.
1337
01:25:59,291 --> 01:26:01,208
Are you going to
1338
01:26:01,208 --> 01:26:02,041
have more
1339
01:26:02,083 --> 01:26:02,875
emergency rations?
1340
01:26:04,583 --> 01:26:05,375
I don't mean
1341
01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,333
to, but is there
1342
01:26:08,125 --> 01:26:09,416
something with Paul
1343
01:26:09,833 --> 01:26:11,000
in this prayer
1344
01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:13,500
that I'm vague and
1345
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:14,125
I don't know what
1346
01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:14,875
I'm talking about?
1347
01:26:15,125 --> 01:26:15,625
Yeah, I'm glad
1348
01:26:16,083 --> 01:26:16,583
you brought that
1349
01:26:16,583 --> 01:26:18,541
up. He does say
1350
01:26:18,541 --> 01:26:18,958
something in a
1351
01:26:18,958 --> 01:26:19,291
second
1352
01:26:19,291 --> 01:26:20,000
letter to the
1353
01:26:20,125 --> 01:26:21,500
Corinthian church,
1354
01:26:21,916 --> 01:26:22,958
where that was a
1355
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:23,958
fairly well-off
1356
01:26:23,958 --> 01:26:24,500
church, and he's
1357
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:24,958
taking up an
1358
01:26:24,958 --> 01:26:26,000
offering for,
1359
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:26,916
he wants to take an
1360
01:26:26,916 --> 01:26:28,208
offering for a
1361
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:28,875
church that doesn't
1362
01:26:28,875 --> 01:26:31,291
have much. And so,
1363
01:26:31,333 --> 01:26:32,083
he kind of says,
1364
01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:32,875
"Hey, you guys have
1365
01:26:32,875 --> 01:26:33,416
been great, you've
1366
01:26:33,416 --> 01:26:34,333
been generous, and
1367
01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:35,375
you're not bound to
1368
01:26:35,375 --> 01:26:36,083
do what I'm
1369
01:26:36,083 --> 01:26:37,375
going to do."
1370
01:26:37,375 --> 01:26:38,750
However, we kind of
1371
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:39,500
have this principle
1372
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:41,000
of, like, there's
1373
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,458
this church that
1374
01:26:41,458 --> 01:26:42,750
needs more, and you
1375
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:44,166
have a lot. And
1376
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:44,916
it's not about
1377
01:26:44,916 --> 01:26:45,458
taking something
1378
01:26:45,458 --> 01:26:45,875
away from
1379
01:26:45,875 --> 01:26:46,500
you, but rather,
1380
01:26:46,708 --> 01:26:47,541
building these up.
1381
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:48,541
And he actually
1382
01:26:48,541 --> 01:26:50,208
cites the manna
1383
01:26:50,541 --> 01:26:51,291
experience in the
1384
01:26:51,291 --> 01:26:52,166
wilderness where,
1385
01:26:52,583 --> 01:26:53,833
in Exodus 16, it
1386
01:26:53,833 --> 01:26:55,083
says that nobody
1387
01:26:55,375 --> 01:26:57,291
had more, the ones
1388
01:26:57,291 --> 01:26:58,916
who had, let's see,
1389
01:26:59,625 --> 01:27:00,208
where my
1390
01:27:00,208 --> 01:27:00,583
verse here,
1391
01:27:01,041 --> 01:27:01,708
"The one who had
1392
01:27:01,708 --> 01:27:03,291
much did not have
1393
01:27:03,291 --> 01:27:04,333
too much, and the
1394
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:05,250
one who had little
1395
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:05,916
did not have
1396
01:27:05,916 --> 01:27:06,750
too little."
1397
01:27:08,125 --> 01:27:08,541
And so, he's
1398
01:27:08,541 --> 01:27:09,458
actually drawing
1399
01:27:09,458 --> 01:27:10,500
directly from that,
1400
01:27:11,291 --> 01:27:12,541
and I think that
1401
01:27:12,541 --> 01:27:12,875
gets into
1402
01:27:12,875 --> 01:27:13,750
that us-ness.
1403
01:27:14,166 --> 01:27:15,083
It's not just me,
1404
01:27:15,083 --> 01:27:15,833
it's not just we,
1405
01:27:15,833 --> 01:27:16,916
but it's us
1406
01:27:16,916 --> 01:27:17,583
together.
1407
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:18,916
In some ways,
1408
01:27:18,916 --> 01:27:21,000
this is, although
1409
01:27:21,125 --> 01:27:22,041
our prayer
1410
01:27:22,125 --> 01:27:22,625
might look
1411
01:27:22,625 --> 01:27:24,250
different, because
1412
01:27:24,291 --> 01:27:25,208
we are so
1413
01:27:25,291 --> 01:27:26,250
well-resourced by
1414
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:26,750
and large,
1415
01:27:27,625 --> 01:27:29,000
it seems like
1416
01:27:29,041 --> 01:27:30,333
it goes to the same
1417
01:27:30,333 --> 01:27:33,750
place, which is, if
1418
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:35,541
you look at it
1419
01:27:35,541 --> 01:27:36,416
deeply enough,
1420
01:27:37,375 --> 01:27:38,416
what you have
1421
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:40,291
needs to connect
1422
01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:41,208
you with what
1423
01:27:41,208 --> 01:27:42,625
others have, or
1424
01:27:42,625 --> 01:27:43,958
what they lack, and
1425
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:44,583
that kind of
1426
01:27:44,583 --> 01:27:45,583
communitarian
1427
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:48,041
vision. Because it
1428
01:27:48,041 --> 01:27:49,125
does immediately
1429
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:49,916
raise the question
1430
01:27:49,916 --> 01:27:51,291
of, "Oh, okay, what
1431
01:27:51,291 --> 01:27:52,250
am I grateful for,
1432
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:55,833
and why do I... I
1433
01:27:55,833 --> 01:27:57,000
don't deserve all
1434
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:57,833
this good stuff.
1435
01:27:59,375 --> 01:28:00,583
Why me, and not
1436
01:28:00,583 --> 01:28:00,833
that
1437
01:28:00,833 --> 01:28:02,250
person? Oh, okay.
1438
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:03,083
There's
1439
01:28:03,083 --> 01:28:03,750
something here."
1440
01:28:04,041 --> 01:28:04,791
I have a
1441
01:28:05,125 --> 01:28:06,041
random
1442
01:28:06,166 --> 01:28:07,208
bread-related
1443
01:28:07,208 --> 01:28:08,416
thought. The word
1444
01:28:08,416 --> 01:28:10,041
companion means
1445
01:28:10,041 --> 01:28:10,833
with bread.
1446
01:28:11,083 --> 01:28:11,708
Yes.
1447
01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:12,708
That's right.
1448
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:15,708
"Com-pan." Isn't
1449
01:28:15,708 --> 01:28:16,125
that neat?
1450
01:28:16,416 --> 01:28:17,583
That's awesome.
1451
01:28:18,083 --> 01:28:18,583
Yeah.
1452
01:28:18,958 --> 01:28:19,500
That is
1453
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:19,958
awesome. I
1454
01:28:19,958 --> 01:28:20,666
love that.
1455
01:28:22,041 --> 01:28:22,833
The people you
1456
01:28:22,958 --> 01:28:23,541
share your
1457
01:28:23,541 --> 01:28:24,708
bread with are your
1458
01:28:24,708 --> 01:28:27,000
companions. It also
1459
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:27,583
goes with, and
1460
01:28:27,583 --> 01:28:28,708
there's something
1461
01:28:28,708 --> 01:28:29,458
that Jesus was
1462
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:29,791
known for
1463
01:28:29,791 --> 01:28:30,750
doing, who you
1464
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:31,625
share your table
1465
01:28:31,625 --> 01:28:33,416
with is the word we
1466
01:28:33,416 --> 01:28:34,000
get is
1467
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,875
"commensurate." "Mensa"
1468
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:36,750
meaning table.
1469
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:37,375
Yeah.
1470
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,000
"Com-mensa."
1471
01:28:39,125 --> 01:28:39,500
Well.
1472
01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:40,583
So, who you
1473
01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:41,541
eat your bread with
1474
01:28:41,625 --> 01:28:43,083
is a political act.
1475
01:28:44,541 --> 01:28:46,000
Jesus, I'm pretty
1476
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:46,916
sure, was eating
1477
01:28:47,416 --> 01:28:48,250
bread with those
1478
01:28:48,250 --> 01:28:49,750
who he was not
1479
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:50,750
supposed to be
1480
01:28:50,791 --> 01:28:51,416
eating with.
1481
01:28:51,625 --> 01:28:52,416
Right. Much to
1482
01:28:52,458 --> 01:28:53,291
the consternation
1483
01:28:53,291 --> 01:28:53,875
of the religious
1484
01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:54,375
authorities.
1485
01:28:54,375 --> 01:28:54,750
Yeah.
1486
01:28:55,208 --> 01:28:56,625
Yeah. Yeah.
1487
01:28:56,666 --> 01:28:57,500
So, there's that we
1488
01:28:58,208 --> 01:28:59,125
coming back again.
1489
01:28:59,458 --> 01:28:59,916
Well, I mean,
1490
01:28:59,916 --> 01:29:00,750
our earliest
1491
01:29:01,416 --> 01:29:03,291
experiences as,
1492
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,666
organic as mammals
1493
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:10,250
is that, where we
1494
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:10,916
get sustenance,
1495
01:29:10,916 --> 01:29:12,583
that's like, that's
1496
01:29:12,583 --> 01:29:13,166
connection,
1497
01:29:13,583 --> 01:29:14,583
that's mama, that's
1498
01:29:14,958 --> 01:29:16,125
what joins us all
1499
01:29:16,125 --> 01:29:17,250
together in family.
1500
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:17,750
It's
1501
01:29:18,166 --> 01:29:19,166
powerful stuff.
1502
01:29:19,416 --> 01:29:20,166
Yeah. Even
1503
01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:20,875
just having bread
1504
01:29:20,875 --> 01:29:21,791
these days in a
1505
01:29:21,791 --> 01:29:23,916
modern world is a
1506
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:24,666
very wee
1507
01:29:24,666 --> 01:29:26,291
thing just when we
1508
01:29:26,291 --> 01:29:26,666
put it on the
1509
01:29:26,666 --> 01:29:27,500
table, even if
1510
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:28,333
we're eating alone,
1511
01:29:28,791 --> 01:29:29,541
because like, I
1512
01:29:29,541 --> 01:29:30,541
make my own bread a
1513
01:29:30,541 --> 01:29:31,500
lot nowadays,
1514
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:32,541
but even saying I
1515
01:29:32,541 --> 01:29:33,458
make it, well, I
1516
01:29:33,458 --> 01:29:34,375
did not grow the
1517
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:35,875
wheat. I did not
1518
01:29:35,875 --> 01:29:36,625
harvest the wheat.
1519
01:29:36,666 --> 01:29:37,250
I did not,
1520
01:29:37,291 --> 01:29:37,958
you provide the
1521
01:29:37,958 --> 01:29:38,583
water for the
1522
01:29:38,583 --> 01:29:39,375
wheat. I did not
1523
01:29:39,375 --> 01:29:39,750
provide the
1524
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:40,583
transportation that
1525
01:29:40,583 --> 01:29:41,166
brought all these
1526
01:29:41,208 --> 01:29:41,708
together. I mean,
1527
01:29:42,125 --> 01:29:43,000
the yeast, the same
1528
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:43,583
thing. I could go
1529
01:29:43,583 --> 01:29:44,583
on and on and on.
1530
01:29:45,125 --> 01:29:46,041
The fact that even
1531
01:29:46,041 --> 01:29:46,875
if I'm all alone
1532
01:29:46,875 --> 01:29:47,958
eating this one
1533
01:29:47,958 --> 01:29:48,791
loaf of bread, I'm
1534
01:29:48,791 --> 01:29:50,041
still connected to
1535
01:29:50,916 --> 01:29:51,875
everyone else.
1536
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:52,166
Yeah.
1537
01:29:52,625 --> 01:29:53,833
I'm gonna jump
1538
01:29:53,833 --> 01:29:54,333
in because there
1539
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:55,250
was one other
1540
01:29:55,416 --> 01:29:57,166
etymology fun-tidbit
1541
01:29:57,166 --> 01:29:58,416
fact that was
1542
01:29:58,416 --> 01:29:59,291
bread related.
1543
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:59,791
Yeah.
1544
01:29:59,791 --> 01:30:00,791
Which is the
1545
01:30:01,708 --> 01:30:02,833
word in Hebrew for
1546
01:30:02,833 --> 01:30:04,125
house is "bayit" or
1547
01:30:04,125 --> 01:30:05,458
"beit" or "beth"
1548
01:30:06,166 --> 01:30:07,083
and the word for
1549
01:30:07,083 --> 01:30:08,416
bread is "lechem."
1550
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:09,666
Yes.
1551
01:30:09,666 --> 01:30:11,833
So, Bethlehem
1552
01:30:12,333 --> 01:30:12,583
is the
1553
01:30:12,583 --> 01:30:13,500
house of bread.
1554
01:30:13,625 --> 01:30:14,083
Yes.
1555
01:30:14,125 --> 01:30:15,250
Oh my gosh.
1556
01:30:15,625 --> 01:30:16,541
International
1557
01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:17,416
House of Pancakes
1558
01:30:17,416 --> 01:30:18,041
came along
1559
01:30:18,041 --> 01:30:18,791
much later.
1560
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:21,375
Yes.
1561
01:30:21,791 --> 01:30:22,458
Bethlehem is
1562
01:30:23,041 --> 01:30:23,708
house of bread.
1563
01:30:23,875 --> 01:30:24,916
Yes. And so,
1564
01:30:24,916 --> 01:30:25,541
the whole book of
1565
01:30:25,541 --> 01:30:26,708
Ruth, you know,
1566
01:30:27,166 --> 01:30:28,000
they're leaving
1567
01:30:28,458 --> 01:30:29,375
Bethlehem, there's
1568
01:30:29,375 --> 01:30:30,083
a famine in
1569
01:30:30,083 --> 01:30:31,083
Bethlehem, so in
1570
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:32,041
the house of bread
1571
01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:32,708
there was no bread.
1572
01:30:32,708 --> 01:30:32,875
There
1573
01:30:32,875 --> 01:30:33,750
was no bread.
1574
01:30:33,916 --> 01:30:35,833
Well, there is a
1575
01:30:35,833 --> 01:30:37,458
prayer that I think
1576
01:30:37,458 --> 01:30:39,000
is helpful maybe as
1577
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,791
a closing. For this
1578
01:30:41,791 --> 01:30:42,708
episode, I feel
1579
01:30:43,583 --> 01:30:46,541
very satiated here,
1580
01:30:46,541 --> 01:30:47,208
but there is a
1581
01:30:47,208 --> 01:30:48,041
Latin American
1582
01:30:48,041 --> 01:30:49,166
prayer that I think
1583
01:30:49,166 --> 01:30:49,750
is really good,
1584
01:30:50,041 --> 01:30:50,458
especially
1585
01:30:50,458 --> 01:30:51,291
for those of us who
1586
01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:52,750
aren't thinking
1587
01:30:52,750 --> 01:30:54,166
about, so stressed
1588
01:30:54,166 --> 01:30:54,916
out about our next
1589
01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:56,416
meal and maybe we
1590
01:30:56,416 --> 01:30:58,000
could close with
1591
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,625
this prayer. And
1592
01:31:00,791 --> 01:31:01,291
you could just
1593
01:31:01,291 --> 01:31:01,833
listen to it, but
1594
01:31:01,833 --> 01:31:02,583
I'm gonna pray it.
1595
01:31:02,583 --> 01:31:05,625
It says this,
1596
01:31:06,041 --> 01:31:08,375
just one line, "O
1597
01:31:08,375 --> 01:31:10,333
God, to those who
1598
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:11,166
have hunger,
1599
01:31:11,708 --> 01:31:13,666
give bread, and to
1600
01:31:13,666 --> 01:31:14,416
those who have
1601
01:31:14,416 --> 01:31:16,250
bread, give the
1602
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:17,041
hunger for
1603
01:31:17,041 --> 01:31:17,916
justice."
1604
01:31:19,958 --> 01:31:20,500
Amen.
1605
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:21,000
Amen.
1606
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:21,833
Amen. I think
1607
01:31:21,833 --> 01:31:22,333
that's food
1608
01:31:22,333 --> 01:31:23,000
for thought.
1609
01:31:24,458 --> 01:31:24,875
Oh,
1610
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,416
well played.
1611
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:26,166
Daily.
1612
01:31:27,458 --> 01:31:27,875
[Laughter]
1613
01:31:27,875 --> 01:31:29,458
Yeah. Well,
1614
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,041
good to be with
1615
01:31:30,041 --> 01:31:30,791
you, my friends.
1616
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:31,250
Thank you.
1617
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:32,541
Maybe shortly
1618
01:31:32,541 --> 01:31:33,291
we can break bread
1619
01:31:33,291 --> 01:31:33,750
together.
1620
01:31:33,791 --> 01:31:34,625
Yes.
1621
01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:35,333
Thanks.
1622
01:31:35,333 --> 01:31:37,041
Thank you.
1623
01:31:37,125 --> 01:31:37,375
Till
1624
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:37,833
next time.
