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Welcome back, listeners.
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And welcome back, Josh.
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Feels good to be back.
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How does it feel, Jesse?
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It feels good.
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I don't know how that became our like second intro.
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You know, we pre-recorded our our last intro and then.
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But I feel like sometimes you need to just it it feels weird to drop right into a topic unless your podcast is like Chaos.
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Well.
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But like if it's like a serial story or something, right?
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Yeah.
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Like last time on containerized conversations.
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No, don't kill him.
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You know, like you did what with the AI?
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But you know, it's it makes sense.
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So but we we do, I think people know we do have some conversations prior to us recording, and they always start going off the rails.
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And you always say, turn on the mics, let's get this recorded.
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And I think it's fair.
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Basically the origin story of our podcast.
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Um so so do you want to recap us where we were, where we left?
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No, no, you just start from the beginning.
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I'll pretend like I wasn't listening.
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I was you probably weren't.
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No.
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Um I'm kidding.
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You're a great listener.
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Um sometimes.
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Yeah, so so we've talked a lot on this podcast about AI.
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It kind of comes with the territory because our days are now half AI, right?
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I'm I mean, Josh, I'm literally an AI engineer.
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We like the there's no leaning away from it anymore.
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Yeah we have to talk about it.
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I I still my title is still like senior software engineer, right?
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I'm yeah, I'm still technically in that camp.
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Um but you're just fighting against the stream.
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Uh hey.
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Titles mean nothing to me.
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Um the important thing is that every day when we sit down, we we start, you know, we open up whatever our tool of choice is and start using AI to start completing work, right?
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Yeah.
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Whether it's like completing work itself or doing reviews or um writing documentation, right, based on um what you have or helping you understand code base, like AI is three quarters of my day, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And yours even more so because you're, you know, trying to I'm using AI to write AI.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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AI all the way down.
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So um, but I feel like you know, when I talk to a lot of people outside of work, right?
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Uh AI kind of has these two sort of polar conversations going on, right?
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Polar opposite conversations.
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There's the AI as like a pure tool, right?
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And that's what I think we're doing at work, right?
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We're creating, we're having AI essentially write code um or documentation, whatever.
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Stuff that's like traditionally kind of boring.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And is there to serve a single purpose.
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And I feel like the conversation is very different when it comes to AI in other uses, right?
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AI to make art, right?
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AI to make video.
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Yeah.
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Um and there's a lot of conversation, especially on the internet, that's just like, and I know the internet isn't everybody, but it's like this AI sucks, right?
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Yeah.
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I kind of feel that way, right?
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Like, I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but because I can't.
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But like for me, like the AI um code, the AI documentation stuff, the stuff that I use for work, I'm like, this stuff's great.
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The AI art stuff, I get so frustrated by it, you know?
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Um yeah.
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No, no, I uh the stuff I can see, anyways, right?
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Stuff I recognize.
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I don't I don't remember what it is that we talk about outside the podcast and what uh we talk about inside the podcast.
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So like I I could I could be repeating myself over and over again, and I just don't even know anymore.
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But like, dude, the the a the YouTube shorts I had that are AI generated are so frustrating, and they're still frustrating till this day.
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And like I can tell instantly, like I've I've gotten really I don't know if it's just because we're in the line uh in the career path of AI, so like I'm more you know, I I can tell better than my wife, but like my wife can't tell.
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She's she can tell like the more extreme, but like commercials now, like on TV, there's AI generated commercials, and like I can tell instantly when it's an AI generated commercial.
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And Kelly's like, How can you tell?
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I was like, Well, first off, if a guy's wide mouth running towards the screen, that's first tell air, like nobody films like that, especially when the camera kind of moves with them, but then kind of doesn't, like it's very unnatural.
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That's so AI.
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Like the the looking off and then back and then off and then back, like you could tell that that's AI.
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Like, there's just so many like little things.
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Uh, and like it's actually funny that Kelly can't tell, and I'm like, oh god, this is terrible.
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Can't get this off the screen.
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Well, like my hope, my hope for some of this, right, is that in the future um it does give people like more of a critical eye, right?
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Yeah, when looking at stuff like that.
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I know I certainly have a critical eye.
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I think like um uh for certain things, right?
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For very specific things, I get really annoyed with extra fingers, right?
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A friend of mine, a friend of mine, this is like such a basic thing, right?
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But a friend of mine had a wedding invitation, right?
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With like an a sort of um, I want to say like an anime style of like him and his wife on like this nice background, and it looked really great.
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I was like, ah, I hate to tell this to you, man, but you got six fingers on your right hand.
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And he's like, I know, I realized it's a bit too late, but but like that kind of thing, I just the moment I see it, I stare at it and I can't unsee it, and it really bothers me.
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Yeah.
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Um and you know, I see this with ads all the time, right?
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Yeah, ads in the corner of my window on like a website.
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Like I don't often use an ad blocker on certain sites, and I'll get this ad that I'm like, that's AI art.
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And it and it it kind of sucks because there's that sort of um I want to say jeunesse qua, right?
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But there's the uh uncanny valley, right?
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Yeah, you know that concept where something looks almost right, but it isn't quite there.
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Yeah, I there I feel like I I don't know, it almost depends for me because for instance, um my wife my wife uh had like a picture or two of our dog that she took.
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And she took that picture, she uploaded it to Chat GPT, I think, uh, and said, Hey, like generate me some photos of the dog with like a towel in its mouth or bubbles on on its head.
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And she generated that and then printed them onto like big canvas paper like uh things and then hung them in our bathrooms.
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And the other day I was walking by and I like I looked at it and I like like was looking really closely, and like if I looked really, really, really closely, yeah, I could probably tell like the fur was like kind of weird.
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But if you take a step back and don't think about it too hard, one you I don't hate it, it actually looks pretty cool, and two, like I it it doesn't look like it's that badly done, and so like I don't know, it's like in that situation, especially for something stupid where you probably don't want to pay somebody like$200 to do like a painting of your dog, never mind like five of them.
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Like, I don't know, when you don't care that much, and I like I maybe that's it.
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Maybe it like does like dogs really well, and maybe it does like scenery real really well, but then when you try to do like people, maybe people is like too close to that uncanny valley that you're like, oh I think with with dogs and with scenery, like we don't have the same eyes for it, right?
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And I think that humans have just this extra special eye for humans, and so they are like really critical when things look a little bit off.
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What's funny is you can also give the test where you show somebody an image that's real, like, is this AI generated?
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And a lot of people make it wrong, right?
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They're like, that person's right eye looks weird, and you're like, actually, that's the normal person.
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So I think I think when there's some kind of intentionality around it, like I'm sure there is with a lot of cases where somebody says, Okay, I decided, I I I put this in, I got 30 results, and I'm deciding which one's the best.
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At the end of the day, that comes out to be like a human decision.
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I think the stuff that bothers me the most is when it feels like there wasn't a single person involved.
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Yeah.
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Where somebody made an app that generates a random image, random stuff, and then throws it onto YouTube so that people are inundated with like they already had a billion videos, right?
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They already could never watch all of YouTube, and now you're adding more stuff to YouTube that isn't good, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, maybe we're part of the problem.
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But anyways, yeah, you know, I always it's an internal debate for me, right?
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Like, I get where a lot of people are coming from, where they're like, oh well, like this has taken away a job from someone else, like that would have been someone who's getting paid.
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And like I do think that there are cases where that's true, and like, yeah, that's like that sucks and it's really unfair.
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But like there are other cases where, like, let's say a person just has a really good idea for a book or for a TV show, and they literally have no money, and they also have no way to get funding from people.
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Like in the old world, they just wouldn't be able to use that idea to make anything.
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But now and today, it's really cheap to get that idea animated, right?
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Yep.
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And uh example I like to use is there is one YouTube short that I will always watch, and there's it's a guy who I think it's like humans in the second loop, and I think I've mentioned this on one of my yeah, and like and that's the thing, he does a really good job, he puts a lot of intent into it, and they're actually really fun to watch.
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Like they're very short, like two-minute, three-minute, sometimes they make no sense at all.
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Um, but like, but that's the thing is I think the point of it is to not make sense because it's literally humans living in a second loop that are like not real humans, you know.
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Um and a sci-fi is actually one of those things where you know the the budget to make it in the past, you you'd only be able to make like the B version of it, right?
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You would have to hire all these people, right?
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I um there's a YouTube channel that I uh watch where they basically make mostly AI videos now.
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They used to make stuff with people and now they make stuff with AI.
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Um, and it's partially because the stuff that they make is all very weird sci-fi kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, they're like, yeah, like I did this thing where this human head was on a spider robot and it was like trying to, you know, go through the rubble of like a cyberpunk thing.
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And I could have done this in the past, it would have taken months and uh you know, hiring real people.
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AI basically gave me the 80-20 version, right?
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Yeah, it's not perfect, um but they put so much time like their videos, I feel like are still good because they must do this all the time and got the perfect shot, yeah, right.
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Um, there's a lot of intention behind it.
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So like that kind of AI is like, sure, right?
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It's great that that person could do that without, you know.
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And I'm sure there's people who make props out there for a living who are like, fuck you, you know.
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Yeah.
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Well, we're and and and you know, I don't know if I've mentioned this before or not on our podcast, but we're living proof of people who would have never done anything like this if it wasn't for AI tools.
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Because we use a well, we did use AI tools to edit this podcast.
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And I actually, this is why I bring it up because I think it's actually hilarious, right?
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So when we first started this podcast, we had no time to edit.
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Also, we didn't know editing, we couldn't afford an editor.
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So we found a tool that did AI editing for us and we leaned heavy into it, right?
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And I think our first handful of episodes, we like really AI edited them.
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But I I I don't know about you, but for me at least, I feel like I almost started leaning away from it because all of our podcasts literally felt like they were generated by Notebook LM.
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Like they literally sound AI generated, and I'm like, God, like this just feels like AI slop content.
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No one even probably thinks we're real people at this point.
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And so now I like I I I edit the videos, but my editing is let me slap on our intro and outro and kick it out the door.
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Like, I literally don't I barely like I think I hit one button, which is like equalize our sound so we're not like one person's not louder than the other, and that's like the only AI portion I use of the platform.
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And the rest I I I like the pauses.
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I like it.
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And is that even really AI?
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It could be a technical implementation that's yeah, exactly.
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It's probably just a script that goes and goes like equalize out.
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Like that's low, bring it up, that's high, bring it down, right?
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Like I can see how you would do that without uh, you know, with code without AI.
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You know, uh there there's this kind of temptation, I think, for a lot of companies right now because AI is where the money is, right?
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And a lot of companies, rightfully so, are chasing the money, right?
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Even if that money is misplaced, they're saying, hey, you know what?
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We need if we can get an extra$200,000, that's an extra, you know, a couple people, right?
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That's that's actually actually, you know what?
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I want you to pause there because I think you're leaning into the next topic I want to talk about in our podcast, which is AI in the wrong places and AI in the right places, because I I I think we could fill out another whole episode.
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So pause that that thought a little bit.
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No, save it for next episode.
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I think you're right, and then this is probably a decent cutoff point.
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I did I don't know.
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Do you want to have some final?
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I mean, I I I think we we did our thing where we turked talked around in circles, but like what's the point of this episode?
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Is it that AI slop is like we shouldn't use AI or we should use AI?
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No, no, I right.
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There's a couple ways that you can think about this.
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I think the point that I'm trying to make, right, the point that this whole conversation is about is that AI is this big wide umbrella, right?
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It's it's kind of like uh in high school, um I I used to there were people who'd be like, I don't like books.
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And you're like, you don't like books?
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Like that saying you don't like a whole medium was crazy to me.
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I was like, yeah, you might not like a lot of books.
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You might not like the books you read in school, but you probably there's probably some book out there that you will like, right?
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And I'm sure there's a tiny percentage of people who just literally can't stand reading, right?
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Yeah.
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Um and and maybe it's not a tiny percentage, I don't really know.
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But the point is, is I feel like AI is this broad topic, right?
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And when we talk about it for work, I want to be clear that my feelings about AI for work are different than my feelings about AI for art, right?
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Yeah.
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Are different from my feelings about AI for other things, right?
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I don't think that like AI is not this monolithic topic.
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It's this giant umbrella where you can say, I don't like that, I do like that, that kind of sucks.
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Um well, and like, you know, there's uh there's actually a new app I just downloaded that's actually, you know, uh it's called Hux.
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And it's funny because it generates podcast podcasts on the fly for you.
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And if you haven't heard of this app, you should actually download it.
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It's pretty cool.
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I really like it.
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It essentially just creates specific podcasts for you.
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And you put in like a bunch of um topics you like.
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You can also put in like where you live, you can put your calendar in there, and so it'll actually start to podcast off with reviewing your calendar in the day, and then it'll like go into like certain things.
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Like one topic I put in there on my daily review is is it shorts day?
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So I it actually like it pops up with a little bit of age weather.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like it's it's gonna be bubble blah.
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So you can wear shorts, but think about packing some jeans for later in the day.
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Like, uh and like what I really liked about this app is that it um I don't like the uh AI sounds AI generated, so like it's hard to listen to from that perspective.
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But what I do get from it is it gives me a splash of all the headline news, both AI, tech, and science.
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And what I would have had to like sit down and read through every single article to find those, but this now gives me like an audio overview really quick while I'm brushing my teeth or getting out of bed, and then anyone I want to like click into, I can go, oh, let me go follow up on that, and I can open it up and look at whatever story it found online.
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So that's really cool, right?
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And that is, but again, like I don't like the fact that it sounds AI, but it gives me it's it's human enough where I'm not super annoyed by it and the content is driven enough that I'm like, okay, I'll listen to this.
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And like that made me think like this is actually makes this tool makes it super ex accessible to people who have like special needs, right?
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So the think about a blind person now, like living in this day and age.
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I feel like I don't know, I like I and that's the thing, I don't know what it's like to be a blind person.
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I don't want to speak for them, but I feel like things are just so much more accessible now because you have AI and we could build tools now to help with those like special needs.
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Yeah.
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Bleeding we're bleeding into my next episode, but you know, we we yeah, we'll we'll almost go there.
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I just want to be really quick on on this kind of topic for a second, right?
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Which is that like I think high-level AI when it's used as a tool, I have m almost no complaints, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, but I want to think about like AI as as art for a second on like the highest like the take taken to the nth degree, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, okay, a podcast made just for you that's telling you to wear shorts or you know what the AI news are, right?
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That's great, right?
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And and really that doesn't need to be for anybody else.
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Yeah.
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Um, but would I want to watch a movie that AI generated that is actually the perfect movie for me, right?
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Because I think if you go in the future, you can imagine a world where this kind of stuff is auto-generated.
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You're like, give me a movie that I'm gonna love.
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Oh, yeah, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then we'll just create a movie on the fly.
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Yeah.
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And well, kids' cartoons, they're just gonna be continuously auto-generated, a channel of just continuously generated cartoons.
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I feel like part of the joy of these things is sharing, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And being able to actually see that one episode about what do you know?
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Uh I was watching uh Dinosaur.
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I was watching episode one billion and three, and you were watching episodes three trillion and and and seven.
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Like, um and and the the fact that that's not gonna line, right?
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Like I think that part of the joy of consuming media is that's is sharing it, right?
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And when you have all this stuff that's custom made for everybody, you know, in in the future, yeah, is it gonna be great to share, right?
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And and also sometimes you really like re-watching a movie, right?
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But that doesn't I feel like that temptation is less there when there's endless content, infinite content.
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Well, or or it doesn't save, so it was auto-generated and you can never watch it again.
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You can yeah, there's sort of a you could watch a similar one, but that exact one.
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There's a phrase in Japanese, Ichigo Itea, which is like um one moment, one meeting, right?
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Like everything's kind of unique.
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Um, and that's nice when you're like treating everything with this kind of grace, but yeah, I will say that I don't know, like movies.
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It is nice to be like, oh, I saw this stupid movie on the plane.
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Let's watch it together, right?
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Like that's or yell at your friends when they haven't seen a movie, like Hail Mary.
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Or or uh or Wayne's World, you know.
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I mean, I guess there's a lot of them.
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No, no, but you're you're you're you're completely right.
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And it's interesting.
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I I I said something to someone the other day, and this is so relatable, which is I feel like as we advance in technology, like technology enables us to be closer, and yet it feels like it's pushing us further and further apart.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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We're all we're all so connected, but we're more disconnected than we were like 20 years ago.
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And if if the world continues in that direction that you just said, where we all get individual content that we can't even talk about to each other in that world, what do we even talk to each other about?
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Why why bother talking instead of consuming more content?
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Let me just yeah, that's that's crazy.
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That's crazy to think about.
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Um But yeah, I guess uh you know, this is a wide world.
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I just want to be clear that the things that we're talking about, right?
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Like when we talk about AI, it's it's it's not one thing.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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When we even when you talk about things like coding or DevOps, right?
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Like or or anything.
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They're they're not just one thing.
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It's it's like this big wide umbrella.
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Um and so you know and it's it's so different.
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Like even for me, my experience is working with AI in my company versus as a side project, right?
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We talked about this side project, but like I can't afford to to use Opus 46 Max, you know, outside of work.
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So I'm using Composer 2, which is like the uh um a model cursor made that was a a brand off of Kimi and it's not the same.
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It is not the same.
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There the coded gener a cursor or Claude 4 Opus 46 max thinking creates is like pretty good just out of the box.
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Composer I'm like literally fighting with it to create the correct if L statements like it it and so and that's just me knowing how to use AI and then yeah I eventually fine tune it to get it to work but man it's like it's just interesting to see how different using AI is depending on like where you're at what's the software you're using is it well documented is it not you know what's your end goal yeah yeah yeah it's insane.
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It's insane.
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All right.
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And it's uh 26 minutes.
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I think that's a good time for uh the podcast end.
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Uh I think we average about that.
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I think that that that's a good average.
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Um let us know in the comments if you think this is too long or too short um or if we're totally wrong about AI.
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So let us yeah let us know in the comments what you think the point of this episode was.
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We're still trying to figure it out.
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We'll know in a in a month or maybe we'll never know and that's part of it.
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Maybe maybe that's what this the we're like Seinfeld.
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There's no point to our episodes.
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Yeah yeah we just gotta start the whole series off with that you know yeah yeah all right well you have a good night you two
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Welcome back, listeners.
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And welcome back, Josh.
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Feels good to be back.
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How does it feel, Jesse?
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It feels good.
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I don't know how that became our like second intro.
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You know, we pre-recorded our our last intro and then.
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But I feel like sometimes you need to just it it feels weird to drop right into a topic unless your podcast is like Chaos.
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Well.
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But like if it's like a serial story or something, right?
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Yeah.
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Like last time on containerized conversations.
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No, don't kill him.
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You know, like you did what with the AI?
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But you know, it's it makes sense.
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So but we we do, I think people know we do have some conversations prior to us recording, and they always start going off the rails.
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And you always say, turn on the mics, let's get this recorded.
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And I think it's fair.
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Basically the origin story of our podcast.
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Um so so do you want to recap us where we were, where we left?
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No, no, you just start from the beginning.
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I'll pretend like I wasn't listening.
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I was you probably weren't.
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No.
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Um I'm kidding.
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You're a great listener.
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Um sometimes.
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Yeah, so so we've talked a lot on this podcast about AI.
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It kind of comes with the territory because our days are now half AI, right?
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I'm I mean, Josh, I'm literally an AI engineer.
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We like the there's no leaning away from it anymore.
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Yeah we have to talk about it.
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I I still my title is still like senior software engineer, right?
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I'm yeah, I'm still technically in that camp.
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Um but you're just fighting against the stream.
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Uh hey.
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Titles mean nothing to me.
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Um the important thing is that every day when we sit down, we we start, you know, we open up whatever our tool of choice is and start using AI to start completing work, right?
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Yeah.
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Whether it's like completing work itself or doing reviews or um writing documentation, right, based on um what you have or helping you understand code base, like AI is three quarters of my day, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And yours even more so because you're, you know, trying to I'm using AI to write AI.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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AI all the way down.
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So um, but I feel like you know, when I talk to a lot of people outside of work, right?
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Uh AI kind of has these two sort of polar conversations going on, right?
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Polar opposite conversations.
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There's the AI as like a pure tool, right?
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And that's what I think we're doing at work, right?
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We're creating, we're having AI essentially write code um or documentation, whatever.
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Stuff that's like traditionally kind of boring.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And is there to serve a single purpose.
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And I feel like the conversation is very different when it comes to AI in other uses, right?
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AI to make art, right?
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AI to make video.
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Yeah.
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Um and there's a lot of conversation, especially on the internet, that's just like, and I know the internet isn't everybody, but it's like this AI sucks, right?
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Yeah.
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I kind of feel that way, right?
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Like, I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but because I can't.
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But like for me, like the AI um code, the AI documentation stuff, the stuff that I use for work, I'm like, this stuff's great.
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The AI art stuff, I get so frustrated by it, you know?
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Um yeah.
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No, no, I uh the stuff I can see, anyways, right?
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Stuff I recognize.
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I don't I don't remember what it is that we talk about outside the podcast and what uh we talk about inside the podcast.
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So like I I could I could be repeating myself over and over again, and I just don't even know anymore.
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But like, dude, the the a the YouTube shorts I had that are AI generated are so frustrating, and they're still frustrating till this day.
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And like I can tell instantly, like I've I've gotten really I don't know if it's just because we're in the line uh in the career path of AI, so like I'm more you know, I I can tell better than my wife, but like my wife can't tell.
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She's she can tell like the more extreme, but like commercials now, like on TV, there's AI generated commercials, and like I can tell instantly when it's an AI generated commercial.
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And Kelly's like, How can you tell?
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I was like, Well, first off, if a guy's wide mouth running towards the screen, that's first tell air, like nobody films like that, especially when the camera kind of moves with them, but then kind of doesn't, like it's very unnatural.
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That's so AI.
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Like the the looking off and then back and then off and then back, like you could tell that that's AI.
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Like, there's just so many like little things.
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Uh, and like it's actually funny that Kelly can't tell, and I'm like, oh god, this is terrible.
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Can't get this off the screen.
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Well, like my hope, my hope for some of this, right, is that in the future um it does give people like more of a critical eye, right?
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Yeah, when looking at stuff like that.
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I know I certainly have a critical eye.
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I think like um uh for certain things, right?
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For very specific things, I get really annoyed with extra fingers, right?
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A friend of mine, a friend of mine, this is like such a basic thing, right?
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But a friend of mine had a wedding invitation, right?
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With like an a sort of um, I want to say like an anime style of like him and his wife on like this nice background, and it looked really great.
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I was like, ah, I hate to tell this to you, man, but you got six fingers on your right hand.
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And he's like, I know, I realized it's a bit too late, but but like that kind of thing, I just the moment I see it, I stare at it and I can't unsee it, and it really bothers me.
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Yeah.
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Um and you know, I see this with ads all the time, right?
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Yeah, ads in the corner of my window on like a website.
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Like I don't often use an ad blocker on certain sites, and I'll get this ad that I'm like, that's AI art.
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And it and it it kind of sucks because there's that sort of um I want to say jeunesse qua, right?
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But there's the uh uncanny valley, right?
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Yeah, you know that concept where something looks almost right, but it isn't quite there.
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Yeah, I there I feel like I I don't know, it almost depends for me because for instance, um my wife my wife uh had like a picture or two of our dog that she took.
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And she took that picture, she uploaded it to Chat GPT, I think, uh, and said, Hey, like generate me some photos of the dog with like a towel in its mouth or bubbles on on its head.
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And she generated that and then printed them onto like big canvas paper like uh things and then hung them in our bathrooms.
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And the other day I was walking by and I like I looked at it and I like like was looking really closely, and like if I looked really, really, really closely, yeah, I could probably tell like the fur was like kind of weird.
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But if you take a step back and don't think about it too hard, one you I don't hate it, it actually looks pretty cool, and two, like I it it doesn't look like it's that badly done, and so like I don't know, it's like in that situation, especially for something stupid where you probably don't want to pay somebody like$200 to do like a painting of your dog, never mind like five of them.
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Like, I don't know, when you don't care that much, and I like I maybe that's it.
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Maybe it like does like dogs really well, and maybe it does like scenery real really well, but then when you try to do like people, maybe people is like too close to that uncanny valley that you're like, oh I think with with dogs and with scenery, like we don't have the same eyes for it, right?
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And I think that humans have just this extra special eye for humans, and so they are like really critical when things look a little bit off.
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What's funny is you can also give the test where you show somebody an image that's real, like, is this AI generated?
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And a lot of people make it wrong, right?
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They're like, that person's right eye looks weird, and you're like, actually, that's the normal person.
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So I think I think when there's some kind of intentionality around it, like I'm sure there is with a lot of cases where somebody says, Okay, I decided, I I I put this in, I got 30 results, and I'm deciding which one's the best.
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At the end of the day, that comes out to be like a human decision.
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I think the stuff that bothers me the most is when it feels like there wasn't a single person involved.
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Yeah.
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Where somebody made an app that generates a random image, random stuff, and then throws it onto YouTube so that people are inundated with like they already had a billion videos, right?
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They already could never watch all of YouTube, and now you're adding more stuff to YouTube that isn't good, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, maybe we're part of the problem.
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But anyways, yeah, you know, I always it's an internal debate for me, right?
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Like, I get where a lot of people are coming from, where they're like, oh well, like this has taken away a job from someone else, like that would have been someone who's getting paid.
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And like I do think that there are cases where that's true, and like, yeah, that's like that sucks and it's really unfair.
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But like there are other cases where, like, let's say a person just has a really good idea for a book or for a TV show, and they literally have no money, and they also have no way to get funding from people.
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Like in the old world, they just wouldn't be able to use that idea to make anything.
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But now and today, it's really cheap to get that idea animated, right?
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Yep.
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And uh example I like to use is there is one YouTube short that I will always watch, and there's it's a guy who I think it's like humans in the second loop, and I think I've mentioned this on one of my yeah, and like and that's the thing, he does a really good job, he puts a lot of intent into it, and they're actually really fun to watch.
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Like they're very short, like two-minute, three-minute, sometimes they make no sense at all.
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Um, but like, but that's the thing is I think the point of it is to not make sense because it's literally humans living in a second loop that are like not real humans, you know.
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Um and a sci-fi is actually one of those things where you know the the budget to make it in the past, you you'd only be able to make like the B version of it, right?
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You would have to hire all these people, right?
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I um there's a YouTube channel that I uh watch where they basically make mostly AI videos now.
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They used to make stuff with people and now they make stuff with AI.
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Um, and it's partially because the stuff that they make is all very weird sci-fi kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, they're like, yeah, like I did this thing where this human head was on a spider robot and it was like trying to, you know, go through the rubble of like a cyberpunk thing.
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And I could have done this in the past, it would have taken months and uh you know, hiring real people.
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AI basically gave me the 80-20 version, right?
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Yeah, it's not perfect, um but they put so much time like their videos, I feel like are still good because they must do this all the time and got the perfect shot, yeah, right.
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Um, there's a lot of intention behind it.
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So like that kind of AI is like, sure, right?
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It's great that that person could do that without, you know.
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And I'm sure there's people who make props out there for a living who are like, fuck you, you know.
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Yeah.
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Well, we're and and and you know, I don't know if I've mentioned this before or not on our podcast, but we're living proof of people who would have never done anything like this if it wasn't for AI tools.
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Because we use a well, we did use AI tools to edit this podcast.
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And I actually, this is why I bring it up because I think it's actually hilarious, right?
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So when we first started this podcast, we had no time to edit.
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Also, we didn't know editing, we couldn't afford an editor.
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So we found a tool that did AI editing for us and we leaned heavy into it, right?
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And I think our first handful of episodes, we like really AI edited them.
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But I I I don't know about you, but for me at least, I feel like I almost started leaning away from it because all of our podcasts literally felt like they were generated by Notebook LM.
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Like they literally sound AI generated, and I'm like, God, like this just feels like AI slop content.
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No one even probably thinks we're real people at this point.
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And so now I like I I I edit the videos, but my editing is let me slap on our intro and outro and kick it out the door.
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Like, I literally don't I barely like I think I hit one button, which is like equalize our sound so we're not like one person's not louder than the other, and that's like the only AI portion I use of the platform.
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And the rest I I I like the pauses.
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I like it.
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And is that even really AI?
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It could be a technical implementation that's yeah, exactly.
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It's probably just a script that goes and goes like equalize out.
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Like that's low, bring it up, that's high, bring it down, right?
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Like I can see how you would do that without uh, you know, with code without AI.
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You know, uh there there's this kind of temptation, I think, for a lot of companies right now because AI is where the money is, right?
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And a lot of companies, rightfully so, are chasing the money, right?
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Even if that money is misplaced, they're saying, hey, you know what?
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We need if we can get an extra$200,000, that's an extra, you know, a couple people, right?
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That's that's actually actually, you know what?
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I want you to pause there because I think you're leaning into the next topic I want to talk about in our podcast, which is AI in the wrong places and AI in the right places, because I I I think we could fill out another whole episode.
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So pause that that thought a little bit.
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No, save it for next episode.
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I think you're right, and then this is probably a decent cutoff point.
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I did I don't know.
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Do you want to have some final?
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I mean, I I I think we we did our thing where we turked talked around in circles, but like what's the point of this episode?
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Is it that AI slop is like we shouldn't use AI or we should use AI?
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No, no, I right.
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There's a couple ways that you can think about this.
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I think the point that I'm trying to make, right, the point that this whole conversation is about is that AI is this big wide umbrella, right?
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It's it's kind of like uh in high school, um I I used to there were people who'd be like, I don't like books.
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And you're like, you don't like books?
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Like that saying you don't like a whole medium was crazy to me.
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I was like, yeah, you might not like a lot of books.
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You might not like the books you read in school, but you probably there's probably some book out there that you will like, right?
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And I'm sure there's a tiny percentage of people who just literally can't stand reading, right?
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Yeah.
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Um and and maybe it's not a tiny percentage, I don't really know.
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But the point is, is I feel like AI is this broad topic, right?
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And when we talk about it for work, I want to be clear that my feelings about AI for work are different than my feelings about AI for art, right?
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Yeah.
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Are different from my feelings about AI for other things, right?
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I don't think that like AI is not this monolithic topic.
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It's this giant umbrella where you can say, I don't like that, I do like that, that kind of sucks.
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Um well, and like, you know, there's uh there's actually a new app I just downloaded that's actually, you know, uh it's called Hux.
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And it's funny because it generates podcast podcasts on the fly for you.
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And if you haven't heard of this app, you should actually download it.
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It's pretty cool.
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I really like it.
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It essentially just creates specific podcasts for you.
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And you put in like a bunch of um topics you like.
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You can also put in like where you live, you can put your calendar in there, and so it'll actually start to podcast off with reviewing your calendar in the day, and then it'll like go into like certain things.
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Like one topic I put in there on my daily review is is it shorts day?
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So I it actually like it pops up with a little bit of age weather.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like it's it's gonna be bubble blah.
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So you can wear shorts, but think about packing some jeans for later in the day.
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Like, uh and like what I really liked about this app is that it um I don't like the uh AI sounds AI generated, so like it's hard to listen to from that perspective.
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But what I do get from it is it gives me a splash of all the headline news, both AI, tech, and science.
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And what I would have had to like sit down and read through every single article to find those, but this now gives me like an audio overview really quick while I'm brushing my teeth or getting out of bed, and then anyone I want to like click into, I can go, oh, let me go follow up on that, and I can open it up and look at whatever story it found online.
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So that's really cool, right?
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And that is, but again, like I don't like the fact that it sounds AI, but it gives me it's it's human enough where I'm not super annoyed by it and the content is driven enough that I'm like, okay, I'll listen to this.
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And like that made me think like this is actually makes this tool makes it super ex accessible to people who have like special needs, right?
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So the think about a blind person now, like living in this day and age.
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I feel like I don't know, I like I and that's the thing, I don't know what it's like to be a blind person.
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I don't want to speak for them, but I feel like things are just so much more accessible now because you have AI and we could build tools now to help with those like special needs.
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Yeah.
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Bleeding we're bleeding into my next episode, but you know, we we yeah, we'll we'll almost go there.
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I just want to be really quick on on this kind of topic for a second, right?
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Which is that like I think high-level AI when it's used as a tool, I have m almost no complaints, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, but I want to think about like AI as as art for a second on like the highest like the take taken to the nth degree, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, okay, a podcast made just for you that's telling you to wear shorts or you know what the AI news are, right?
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That's great, right?
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And and really that doesn't need to be for anybody else.
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Yeah.
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Um, but would I want to watch a movie that AI generated that is actually the perfect movie for me, right?
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Because I think if you go in the future, you can imagine a world where this kind of stuff is auto-generated.
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You're like, give me a movie that I'm gonna love.
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Oh, yeah, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then we'll just create a movie on the fly.
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Yeah.
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And well, kids' cartoons, they're just gonna be continuously auto-generated, a channel of just continuously generated cartoons.
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I feel like part of the joy of these things is sharing, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And being able to actually see that one episode about what do you know?
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Uh I was watching uh Dinosaur.
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I was watching episode one billion and three, and you were watching episodes three trillion and and and seven.
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Like, um and and the the fact that that's not gonna line, right?
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Like I think that part of the joy of consuming media is that's is sharing it, right?
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And when you have all this stuff that's custom made for everybody, you know, in in the future, yeah, is it gonna be great to share, right?
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And and also sometimes you really like re-watching a movie, right?
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But that doesn't I feel like that temptation is less there when there's endless content, infinite content.
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Well, or or it doesn't save, so it was auto-generated and you can never watch it again.
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You can yeah, there's sort of a you could watch a similar one, but that exact one.
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There's a phrase in Japanese, Ichigo Itea, which is like um one moment, one meeting, right?
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Like everything's kind of unique.
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Um, and that's nice when you're like treating everything with this kind of grace, but yeah, I will say that I don't know, like movies.
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It is nice to be like, oh, I saw this stupid movie on the plane.
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Let's watch it together, right?
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Like that's or yell at your friends when they haven't seen a movie, like Hail Mary.
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Or or uh or Wayne's World, you know.
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I mean, I guess there's a lot of them.
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No, no, but you're you're you're you're completely right.
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And it's interesting.
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I I I said something to someone the other day, and this is so relatable, which is I feel like as we advance in technology, like technology enables us to be closer, and yet it feels like it's pushing us further and further apart.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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We're all we're all so connected, but we're more disconnected than we were like 20 years ago.
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And if if the world continues in that direction that you just said, where we all get individual content that we can't even talk about to each other in that world, what do we even talk to each other about?
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Why why bother talking instead of consuming more content?
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Let me just yeah, that's that's crazy.
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That's crazy to think about.
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Um But yeah, I guess uh you know, this is a wide world.
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I just want to be clear that the things that we're talking about, right?
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Like when we talk about AI, it's it's it's not one thing.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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When we even when you talk about things like coding or DevOps, right?
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Like or or anything.
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They're they're not just one thing.
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It's it's like this big wide umbrella.
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Um and so you know and it's it's so different.
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Like even for me, my experience is working with AI in my company versus as a side project, right?
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We talked about this side project, but like I can't afford to to use Opus 46 Max, you know, outside of work.
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So I'm using Composer 2, which is like the uh um a model cursor made that was a a brand off of Kimi and it's not the same.
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It is not the same.
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There the coded gener a cursor or Claude 4 Opus 46 max thinking creates is like pretty good just out of the box.
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Composer I'm like literally fighting with it to create the correct if L statements like it it and so and that's just me knowing how to use AI and then yeah I eventually fine tune it to get it to work but man it's like it's just interesting to see how different using AI is depending on like where you're at what's the software you're using is it well documented is it not you know what's your end goal yeah yeah yeah it's insane.
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It's insane.
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All right.
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And it's uh 26 minutes.
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I think that's a good time for uh the podcast end.
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Uh I think we average about that.
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I think that that that's a good average.
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Um let us know in the comments if you think this is too long or too short um or if we're totally wrong about AI.
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So let us yeah let us know in the comments what you think the point of this episode was.
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We're still trying to figure it out.
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We'll know in a in a month or maybe we'll never know and that's part of it.
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Maybe maybe that's what this the we're like Seinfeld.
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There's no point to our episodes.
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Yeah yeah we just gotta start the whole series off with that you know yeah yeah all right well you have a good night you two
