Chiefs Draft Intel: Rice Update, 30 Visits & Rapid-Fire Predictions

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome into the Arrowhead Addict podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Intangibles and we are just 17 days away from the NFL draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the best time of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is almost Christmas and we are very much looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Price Carter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joined by Christian aims for it today as always and we're going to be talking a little bit about the recent news about Rishi Rice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it impacts the draft at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we're going to be analyzing the chiefs 30 visits and then we're going to play a little game that, uh, well, you know, really to the draft as well too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, want to give a shout out first off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of interesting funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm driving me back from Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my wife and I and our kids went to Clearwater, Florida and I for some reason decided to drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we could bring all of our stuff doing Airbnb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not the drive, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a quick trip, which thank God there's quick trips all the way up and down from Florida and here back, the value of a good gas station when you're driving 18 hours is very high, but I'm in a quick trip and chat new get Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I see a guy with a Mazoo hat on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's wearing a Mazoo hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't this common of a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's getting us to ketos or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I walk up to him and we were like, hey, we're
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, I, you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hold the cheese strap to mama cheese fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, yeah, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a cheese fan too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, well, I'm from Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, saying, what are the odds here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was talking to him and I was like, well, what part of Kansas City are you from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, I live here in Liberty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, dude, we're like, and I asked him where he lived in neighbor in Liberty and we were like freaking neighbors basically like my wife probably teaches his kids at school and this is in the middle of a chat new good Tennessee and I mentioned to him like, hey, you know, like I covered the chiefs do that and all sorts of stuff he's like, no, what would you say your name was again, total my name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He pulls up as far as I fall you on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this is, this is so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, it was very cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jeff, if you're listening, you know, he said he's listened to the show before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was good to meet you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should have got your last name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, but met Jeff and the chat knew a quick trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cheesecake numbers everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very nice to see him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was just a random occurrence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm glad he said to them about his museum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife probably teaches his kids and he lives down the road from me, just our very random instance there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also shout out to QuickTrip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you talked about those taquitos, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the go-to snack on a car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, ma'am, I partook a couple of times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the $5 fill-up deal that they got there, come get us QuickTrip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will absolutely pump for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pumping for you now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But while riding QuickTrip, what they've done to their coffee is dreadful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to be a proper country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even get coffee at QuickTrip anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a little, dude, who gets coffee at a gas station anyway, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the time, I thought you were talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think risk like a Red Bull man or not a Red Bull.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, Red C4 excuse me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I drink plenty of caffeine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we don't we don't discriminate on caffeine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love a good cup coffee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know, it's really disastrous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As a lot of times, I'll drink a C4 in the morning when I wake up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then around 9 or 10, I'll brew a pot of coffee and drink a cup of coffee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this no, man, we're not reaching the peak of caffeine intake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, I know somebody drinks two grams per day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not milligrams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's center our conversation here a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came out in like the most friday news don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: News of all time that Rishi Rice will not be suspended by the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to really need to talk about whether Rishi Rice is a good person or if he did this or if he didn't do this, we have no idea what the investigation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turned out, we know that there's a civil case, no criminal charges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of a machine race is not going to be suspended for this incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the long time between now and September, no more teams, the articles, Mr. Rice, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it sounds like there's a good chance the way things are right now, that a machine race will play a 17 game season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just real quick, I mean, what do you think this means for the team, like not even draft, just like period, the chiefs this year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is good news for Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether you, I mean, we don't need to go in like you said to whether or not he's guilty or innocent innocent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the facts are, the whole situation in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're looking at this from just a team perspective, this is a huge pro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this was a guy who has been on pays for a thousand yard seasons before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was this rookie year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had like 950, if you count the playoffs like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really, really good production there from a guy and, you know, from a room that has a lot of question marks with Xavier Worthy, how well he's going to play and take one Thorgan can we get him involved in new wide receiver coach, like it's kind of nice to have some stability there from last year into this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you talked about it there kind of quietly, we've not seen a full
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he didn't even play the full schedule there and he took that final game off that year against the chargers because the choose didn't have to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we only played in 16 games then four games and 2024 gets the entry in the eight games last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets injured.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a good question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They basically, I mean, let's be clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were saying everybody's going to get, yeah, to get in there, but you only put eight games, but in eight games, 78 targets, 53 receptions, 571 yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's pretty close to a thousand yard pace there, or that's over a thousand yard pace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Five touchdowns, including a rushing touchdown, as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, I, I look man, I. Rishi Rice, we've not gotten to CA full season from him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Rishi Rice and Travis Galsier are going to not, I know a lot of people want to say type on Thornton or Xavier Worthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Rishi Rice and Travis Galsier, the people who are about to benefit the most from Kenneth Walker in the run game, getting better, because that, I mean, you saw in that Chargers game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were literally decapitating, essentially,
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[SPEAKER_01]: or she writes because of how they're crashing down hill in those intermediate throwing lanes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they can't do that anymore with Kenneth Walker back there and hopefully the improved run game overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think that this is going to be a big year for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of incentive financially to have a good year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not in the business and I've already heard it like, hey, would you approach him about doing the Rasheer, the Tariq Hill first contract, which he signed after there was that smoke around him and the child abuse case and the cheese basically got him at a discount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of scary back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind, Tariq Hill has never been suspended by the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard to believe true statement, Rasheer race has already been suspended more in his career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Tariq Hill has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and Tyre kills a better player, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where she writes is a fringe top 20 wider silver, in my opinion, Xavier, you know, Tyre kills the best player in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the best players in the NFL, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so he was voted the best one year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, number one year, all the bad players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the talent, I don't know, I'm not in that business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what you do is you just hope he has a great year and hope to recoup a third-run comic and you move on, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's a future enemy in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we need the production, we need the stability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just makes sense to keep him this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we are in a situation where it's like reliability is the best ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm sure everybody's father has told him that at some point watching the show, like that's what we need for the white receiver room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just something he has not provided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Chiefs run out in 11 personnel right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tyquan Thorton, Rishi Rice, Xavier Worthy, and Travis Kelsey, and Kenneth Walker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is an improved group over last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an improved group over what they started the season with last year and it's an improved group from what they started this off season with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They bring back Kelsey, they bring back Thorton and they sign Walker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you didn't know if Rice was gonna be on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the question remains then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does this change the cheese draft strategy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that cheese would still take a wider sea of right nine?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 29 and do they take one on day two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they take one on day three?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Should they take multiple?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think next year is going to be the year for a wider seeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's just how it's going to have to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this year with all the needs that the chiefs have defensively, you're kind of in a situation where it's like, yeah, we could pull the trigger on maybe McCuy limit or Carnal Tate if he falls or Jordan Tyson, but he has injury issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just don't know how many of these guys
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chiefs kind of see as being able to start day one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be kind of with them in that boat, especially when, again, there are so many other needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not like the draft with Marvin Harrison and Romo Dunze, Lann Maccaki and Malik neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like for us, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not like some elite wide receiver draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's guys who you can get that can be two's and be three's if you're picking nine like you want to make sure like I want Malik neighbors at nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want car and I'll take it nine if we're in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So next year's going to be a lot of really really good players coming out for the draft, especially if the wide receiver position like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chiefs take a year, don't do particularly well, like I could see them, you know, being at pick 15, pick 20 and selecting a wide receiver that might be as good or better in the offense next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it probably doesn't change their draft strategy a whole lot to answer your question there, but I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I just don't think they were counting out where she writes to make it through the season no matter what, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why you draft jail at Royals, that's why you have Xavier worthy coming back, that's why you resound Tyquon Thornton, like this just seems like a situation they will prepped for no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me I think that this is setting up a path and again, this isn't necessarily what I'd recommend do, but this is what I think that they will do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to bet on 17 games of a healthy or sheer race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 17 games of a healthy Xavier worthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind, both guys are very shown or propensity to get injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: more inclusion in the offense for Tyquan Thornton, which is frustrating because they were the ones who took them off the field for Hollywood Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And development of J1 Royals, someone who would they got nothing out of last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, better coaching from Chadochet, and hopefully some scheme upgrades from the offense as well too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So with all that being said, I think it's a setting up that she's probably won't draft a roiter, see if a round one or round two, and I won't be shocked if it's until day three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some names, you know, like that that make a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also as there are always just in the whiter, see if a room's
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[SPEAKER_01]: pick your own flavor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as what are you looking for?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking for a slot guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, name brand is going to be like McCoy Limit discount brand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could go to like an Antonio Williams Costco brand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go get Deon Berks or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you want your big X like on day one, you go get Carnal Tay on day two, you go get Ted Hers on day three, you go get Reggie Vigil or Dr. John's dribbling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's just, you know, like you can go all different ways with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that the cheese will draft water syrup, but it will be on day three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I named, I keep coming back to, and day three is where you take this guy, especially because it's had some injury stuff pop up, but it's pro day two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a Liz Frank injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those getting repaired to he didn't test his Eric McAllister from TCU.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his skill set is a lot like Rishi Rice or early career due to just miss, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like triple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just do what you can be eye man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like triple the due to too much caffeine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He reminds me of really clear juju.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of off-field stuff there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've written about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've posted about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some baggage there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's a day three guy, but his production and his tape is easily day two round two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be an interesting to see what they end up doing at Widersever, but I will not be surprised if they do not take a Widersever as early as people are wanting to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's true of running back too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're looking at defensive line, corner, tackle,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, maybe a fringe position of value, lineback or tight in safety, like that's kind of like the stack I'm feeling right now, they love their safety, so they always are taking safety, so they, you know, they've frequently spent third and fourth run picks and second run picks on safety, so being nice to see how that plays out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk 30 visits here for a little bit historically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chiefs, they draft players that they bring in on 30 visits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had Kingsy Schumatia in on a 30 visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had her shoe rice in on a 30 visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also historically draft players that they meet with at the combine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They met with Xavier Worthie at the combine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have in front of me the full list of 30 visits from our very own arrowhead addict website where we track all of the 30 visits that are reported.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to read them in groups of five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know most of these players, there's a few of these players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I've written, except for two of these guys I've written, I prospect article on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't need to tell you about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just go read about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about, do which one of these guys do we think that the cheese will actually draft?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So names are Arvelleries, David Bailey, McCuy Lemon, Carnal Tate, Ted Herst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What, what are you feeling about those names?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ted Hurts to be as the most likely, even though he doesn't really fit their bold for white or silver, if that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think, I mean, it's interesting that those, I just think it's interesting that those two guys are together, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carnal Tate and Ted Hurts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I don't know if they brought them in together, or whatever, but just those, that grouping right there are them being together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, these guys have a very similar skill set, or they in on a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: another kind of big X, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, these guys are interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cornel T. Antethers because like, you call them big, but they're six foot two, 190 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're not, this isn't Denzel Boston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not being hooking a lack of separators.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're a lot closer to tech one, Thornton than they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Evans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, okay, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I interrupted, but those two guys being together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could say the same thing about our full recent David Bailey, even though we have a much higher opinion of David Bailey, then we do our Valreach, like David Bailey is one of those guys where you can make the case that he fits into the Spag system, like he kind of has the bill that Spag's looks for, but I think a plenty of teams are looking at him as an outside line
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's an outside stand up linebacker that's going to blitz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he's going to like he's going to be the mic to Parsons build.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is interesting, too, that those are two guys where you look at and go, hey, that's, you know, we're looking at speed more than power here, maybe is that something that the chiefs are, you know, switching a little bit towards David Bailey has some power, but I think he's mostly a speed guy like is that are we seeing a change in their two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the recent Bailey and 30 of us are just due diligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if this guy sitting on the board at nine and he's our top available player, like is this someone who we're comfortable with taking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our Valrecia'd be a quarterback spy in this all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be souped up Leo Chanel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and QB's buy in this office in this event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I like Bailey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not sure he's going to be planning anything other than past rush situations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I wanted to highlight this tweet by Nate Tice, over at Yahoo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to like once again, please stop asking for the cheese to take these small, bitty adructures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And FL Offences ran the ball at the highest rate since 2011 this year at 40.8%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had the highest rushing success rate on running back runs since 2004, used two or fewer wider severs at the highest rate since 2014, and people will still tell you that an edge prospect that defends the run doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, by the way, this was the highest rate of offenses that run six offensive linemen since 2016.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally like you,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The opportunity to rush the passer and not have to worry about the run game has never been harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Third and long is such a rarity anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Having guys who can play those snaps on early downs and set the edge and be able to rush the passer, it's more important than it's ever been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you looking at George Calloff just a sack total and saying, oh, he's not good because just the sack numbers aren't good enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you realize the pressures in the sheer amount of snabs he plays, makes him a more valuable player than just the sacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the sacks are what's fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It changes games, but the game has to be facilitated in other ways than just that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is my Hill Cross today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Betty,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's a good point to make, especially when you talk about the Spag's defense, like he has four downline, that's what you look for and four downline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need a super bitty guy, rush to the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got guys, or you've had guys, like Leo Chanel, who if you wanna blitz, or if you're blitzin' from like a Slack quarterback role, we saw tomorrow in Connor and Christian Nolan Rollup, while let's do that a few times, like this is a defense that really relies on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, our goal Reese is never gonna be in the cards to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just, that type of player is never going to play on the Steve's diagonal of defense, and that's because he doesn't fit the scheme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like part about part of drafting is drafting the guys that fit your scheme, and you know, we'll like so well in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just to me is, you know, got to find that gap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are plenty of those guys just not in this top five that we talked about here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, the next five are Kate and Proctor, Justin Jolie, Oscar Delp, Chris Johnson, Caleb Banks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, this group is very easy to see what's going on here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First off, you got Proctor at a guy that I've told you time and time again that she's going to like more than you might like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this guy who not only is going to be a first round pick or very, very likely to be a first round pick, those guy who just had to make use with his way like reportedly, they were giving him praise for getting down to 360 this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, okay, so what were we playing at 385 like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's enough to be like, hey, let's bring in and see what you're about and, you know, how locked in or you could say that's a big deal for a guy that size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joly and Delp, like these are two very different players like Delp is much more of a blocking it'd be the best blocking Titan on the chiefs today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was, you know, the Georgia offense flow through Brock Bowers for years, Bowers leaves, everyone says, okay, well, this is Delph's time to shine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he gets the ball in his hand, you're like, wow, this guy's a hell of an athlete, but why didn't the ball get his hand so much?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think he ever had a season with more than 25 catches at Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great blocker, but so, questions there,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Caleb Banks makes a ton of scent whiteies on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Between the injury to his foot, the inconsistency, I've talked about Adnauseum, just like there's some want-to issues with him, and Chris Johnson's a high-level fit for them as far as them on a cover two and covered three that they play, willing, tackler, like that bucket of players makes most sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to like Chris Johnson feels like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most chief sea, every I've talked about jolly, like jolly, by the way, is like he's closer to Isaiah likely, like a move tight and not much of a block or great after the catch, one of the better pure past catching tight ends in the class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah well he's like to me he's like almost a power slot type of player like he's going to play more like Kelsey than he does like George Kiddell you know what I mean yeah he's going to be he's going to be your F now you're why for sure like a move type of like he does block but the Kelsey comparison is is adequate because like most of the time he's blocking he's like a poet or something like we're doing a sweep or he's in motion in blocking or something like that he's a push-and-pastor blocker not a impact blocker for sure
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, to converse that like Oscar Delp dude that guy he's gonna be one of the guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to me he's the best guy that comes in out of that out of that group I think he's the dude that is best fit for the chiefs like down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why tight in could come in and block like you don't have that no a gray I need that burning school like is not that guy either so I think he comes in and he could be like your play fell
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's just, it's just frustrating because like, this is a, besides the offensive lineman, which the cheese are very invested in the offensive line year over year, why put a guy on the field who's going to be blocking a lot as a past protector and as a run blocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then like not invest anything at Titan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Robert Toney and played 12% of the offensive snaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to act like he was like a key cog in this offense, but he was your best blocking Titan and you bring them in as a like a you know vet minimum guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Upgrade that position, make it run blocking better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay if you have a better run blocker than
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Tynion or Noah Gray, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like Jared Wiley wasn't really brought in to be blocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I totally agree, I think that makes a lot sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do hope that they bring that guy and that's just another way to improve that run game beyond just the players in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chief did have Kevin Coleman in for a visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Note that he won't count against the 30.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Visit formula because he's a local visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can bring any prospect in locally, KU, K state,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am just counting down the days until I see the Zion young 30 visit with the chiefs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That just makes too much sense with him being a local guy that won't count against the formula off the field issues and a high level fit at a position of need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Zion young, I'm here to break the news that he will meet with the chiefs at some point unless for some reason he doesn't, I can't imagine why he wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's like a guaranteed lock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to come visit the chiefs that with the like it not counting as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That shouldn't be just like a no-nonsense move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Cole and those got him an interesting guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I watched every single snap that he played this year and was not overly impressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he had 700 yards, so it wasn't like he was awful, but he was definitely not somebody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not like a first or a second round guy or probably even a bite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just going to be somebody they grab late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just that slot receiver bucket that that's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, we talked about our Antonio Williams a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's much closer to that deon branch level or even a little bit lower down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the quarterback play from as he was pretty putrid all year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have ever mind my brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did not impress for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're going to steal this segment from the McShay show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I first off, like, used, you used to be a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a teacher for five years public education.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say the best teachers are the best thief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a big believer in like people who do stuff well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they steal stuff from other people okay so this segment is called don't be surprised if and basically like Todd McShade back when he was working on ESPN the producers told him like we love when you say the phrase don't be surprised if it makes us lean forward in our seat it makes us pay a little bit closer attention so that is something that we are going to do today unfortunately i'm not Todd McShade i don't have his jawline or his uh draft knowledge um but
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to kind of predict a little bit and talk about why we think that these things are going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you that I'm more plugged in this year than I have been any other year in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully that just continues to trend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of this is based off of stuff that I've heard from people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of this is just speculation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will start here and we talked about it a little bit with Rishi, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this one isn't really news, but don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I just think right now, they don't know what they have in the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the way, they don't know what a fully realized Taiwan tourn looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what jail and royals looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't, it's almost a forgotten memory of what 17 games of Rishi Rice looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Xavier, where do they, what is he?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my guess is that they probably do take someone, but I don't think that it's going to be someone hired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is actually perfect with my first one as don't be surprised if the Chiefs wait until day two or day three to add to the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think there's a real shot here that they go either back to back D line, maybe D line D, B, or D, B, D line like this is for me, especially where the depth of this draft is in defensive line and then why do you see her a little bit, but corner back as well seems like there are a lot of good players that could fall the 29
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[SPEAKER_00]: know, that are available at pick nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this to me, just as much as we would love to see the offense get back to that elite 2021, 2022 year, like that is just not in the cards, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, I don't think there's anybody high enough that the chiefs will draft that they see as elite enough either at the wide receiver position or even the tight end position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kinyan said the hek is not a lock at pick nine if he's available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's been some
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to me, where the value isn't where the team is, I would 100% agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is not a team that is going to spend two picks on day one on wide receiver weapon or tight end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we will not see Carnal Tate and Kenyan City come off the board as much as we would love to see that happen at KC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like the most likely offensive position that they would draft in the first couple of rounds would be tackled, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's kind of what I am feeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My next one here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be surprised if seven tackles are drafted in the first round and most of them before picked 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is relevant for our previous conversation that the chief might be more in on tackle than you want them to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is also just, this is the way these drafts go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Teams, they push these positional value, weigh up the board, and they go fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These tackles do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The seven names would be Maui Nauha, Freeline Fano, Proctor, Lowmoo, Miller, E-Hanacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the seven names I think we'll go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been more and more buzz for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He ain't sure towards the back end of the first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you just do the math of the teams, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's let's talk about teams that could take a tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cardinals are no brainer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that the Titans will withstand more in JC Latham, but Latham hasn't impressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The giant signing illuminor on the right side and the gut Andrew Thomas, but Andrew Thomas has had injury concerns and illuminor is on another one-year deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely could be and Cleveland
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the commanders will be because they've got their guys, neither will nor ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chiefs may be Miami certainly don't think Dallas will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Rams could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Tampa Bay is good, Baltimore is good, New York's jets are good, Detroit needs a tackle, Minnesota is good, the Panthers could, Eke Aquano got her, the other guys getting expensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just go down to the Steelers could use a tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their product Martin is not realizing his capability.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Philadelphia could look to replace Lane Johnson long term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the bears need one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the list just goes on and on and on, guys who, you know, like, it's just really hard to say a team is just totally out on tackle, unless they're like the chargers or someone who just has great tackles locked up long term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's olden because if the cheese are going to take a tackle, they probably have to do it sooner than later on the draft, which means either a trade back or a trade up or something like that, because if they do like a Blake mill or a maxi handature, a cadence proctor, I'm not sure that guy's going to be there 29 that goes back to where they were last year the reason why Josh Simmons was there was because of injury concerns that's the only reason Josh Connerley a lot of other guys went before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if the cheese won a tackle, they're going to have to do it early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also conspiracy three tin foil hat time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not something I've heard at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like my thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe all this smoke around the cheese and tackle is to encourage teams to try to trade up for a tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you want to tackle nine is a great spot to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's a guy you feel great about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the cheese are inviting someone to trade up so they can get more capital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right like come hop these three or four teams come grab your tackle and we'll kick back to 13 or 14 and take TJ Parker or you know whoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, I I like the train of thought there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if all of those guys project to being a tackle at the NFL level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think oh no, I might might add to your point there, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see a team take Kate and Proctor and be like, hey man, you're actually guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want you to be guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or Monroe Freeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we don't necessarily think you have the footwork to be a tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would be it's saying a guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to put you a guard and let you mall people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is something I could definitely see the tinfoil had stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get really touching about that stuff, especially because it just you can use it to validate almost anything when your GM makes a pick or does anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, he took a tackle because he knew that this player would be available picked one and then it's like, well, yeah, but I do think it would be who the chiefs for teams to believe that they're in on taking a tackle at nine, like ever shooter there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, if they if they are not, right, and it might just be as simple as they want to draft a tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what's your next one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, my next one is don't be surprised if the best player in the draft falls to the chiefs at pick nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, the best player in this draft is Caleb Downs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, instinctually, if you base it on his play, if you base it on the off the field, stuff like to me, Caleb Downs, leader,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Athletic definitely somebody who I don't know if it's consensus at this point that he's the number one player in the draft But for the longest time that is what the The conversation was surrounding K-Loondowns and if you just go through these top teams the Raiders No, either they're taking a QB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We already know Jets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got quarterback wide receiver offensive guard cornerback Like they got a bunch of needs before a safety cardinals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got boot of Baker
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really need that box safety guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see them maybe, but, you know, they need offensive line defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't need one Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have other needs commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's going to be wide receiver running back for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Saints seems like they're locked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a wide receiver or defensive linemen as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the chiefs at nine, like there is a legit shot that Brett Beach comes out of the first round of the draft with the top player and the best player to come out of the draft and Caleb bounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I, I will, I will even go as to further and say, it's not possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's likely that Caleb downstairs and go in the first, like he's not a top five pick and I won't be surprised if he's not a top 10 pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've seen these great safeties fall down board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, Eric Barry, like I think Durwin James was a top 10 pick, but it's happened with a lot of him was really happy to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: I I want to be shocked if he's like pick 11 or 12 or something like that, which is a full for a player of his talent, but still very early for a safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I and if the trees just want to take down and be like, you know, I've said this time of time again, I don't know if he's the best player in this draft, but I have a feeling that he's the safest player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll be on to be a good player in the NFL if I could bet my mortgage on it today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, the only thing not with St. Andrews, which are any, which isn't nothing, but, you know, like that, that's one of the things that's just pretty hard to predict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, don't be surprised if that she's just take a corner at picked nine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why there's been this thought process of like you can't treat me to the interview and then draft a corner at nine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that a thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not going to extend them to a second contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean the exact process that they just did with Trent McDuffy, where they took them with a first overall pick and then flipped them for another first overall pick and other valuable picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole Trent McDuffy expense, the process was five years of cost control of an all-pro-safety corner that you then traded for more picks than you got them for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like that seems like a great process to me and I'm here to tell you like I'm getting more and more comfortable with the idea of taking Minnesota to Lane or Jamad McCoy at nine and just like you know what you should do you should just draft the best player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just just draft a good player like I know that's like done but I think there's a good chance that a lot of the other draft crushers we have like you know we just talked about wider receiver if Bain and Bailey are off the board there's not a tackle that they want to
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't feel comfortable taking down, or maybe downs are even taken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all right, let's just put in delaying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we feel great that this is good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We feel great that this is a high position of need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just to take the good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that thought process of like, oh, you can't draft him because you trade it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And no NFL GM thing, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and you talk about process there, net positive 100% every GM in the league would do what the chiefs just did was try to make tough if they could 100% out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you try to help the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's elite and then you train him way for more than what you spent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that is great process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk out of both sides of my mouth here for a minute because the chiefs have only spent one for a strong pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, I think only one day, two pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on a corner and that was Trim McDuffee and the Brett Vee Chair, like they've taken some seats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That might be right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brian Cook was taking on day two, but they don't usually draft those guys high, but this is a totally different draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say this is the biggest need that corner has been for them in quite some time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the last time they did it is when they had a lot of picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And being in the top 10 is much like getting a top 10 corner is a totally different experience than getting it back into the first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With that being said, I, Jermon McCoy, we've talked about this a little bit off, camera here, but there's really only one corner that I think you could make the case for it was a better prospect than Trump McDuffie, even though we got him a little bit later in the drafts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, like if you're getting 90% of Trump McDuffie with a 9th overall pick, like you want, especially when you got another first round back for the last guy that you had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and McCoy thing is, it's just, it's just, it's just the, the entry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I wish he's went out and ran really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 2024 tape is the best corner tape in the class and the 2024 by the way, like he's better 2024 than he is, and the other players are in 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm a huge fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having a hard time getting upset at that idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Christian, your next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have, don't be surprised if the Chiefs trade up or down in the NFL draft with Pit 9.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that that is like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit cliche like, hey, don't be surprised if one of the most aggressive GMs in the league makes him a move, but historically not necessarily the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Vich has that reputation of being that dude that'll go get it as guy like that's not always been how he has been trading back is usually where he has made his money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the cheese probably think there are five elite players in the straft like worthy of a top 10 pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a McCy-Lim and Rubid Bane, Malagawa, Caleb Downs, Mansor Delane, or Jamad McCoy, depending on how they feel about the medical's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and all those guys except for maybe Caleb Downs is going to be gone by pick nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the chief see this as a, like, hey, nobody's trading up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a situation where we want to maximize, you know, we're not going to be picking night overall every single year with Patrick Holmes at the helm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is our one shot to get an elite talent and a player at a position that we feel like can contribute significantly to the offensive defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if they see a guy like Ruben Baines start to fall and maybe hey, listen, that's our highest graded guy in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People have concerns about the short arms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to pull the trigger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This could be the future of the chief defense of line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think Brett Vich will not hesitate to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he might be more aggressive than he has been in years past to give somebody like that given the position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think trading up could be cheaper this year than it has been in years past because of the quality of the class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, they've got the capital play with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would wage a good money that they're going to trade up with one of their first front picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not combining it, but like they're moving up from 29 and moving up from 9.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might not be a huge trade-up, but it might be, you know, a spotter too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would
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[SPEAKER_01]: If your enticing is more likely to be drafted with pick 29 and pick 9 for the chiefs, if you want the chiefs to draft your enticing, I think there's a chance that their second first round pick would be the range that they do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the injury is in everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's every year we see guys fall out of the first round due to injury concerns that you wouldn't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who was the quarterback from Michigan, will Johnson for Michigan last year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah, first round tape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he, he all best is the quarterback in the class team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, the injury stuff, it is very, very real with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I mean, Daniel Jeremiah was on me in a time show today talking about how he just doesn't think that he's a competitor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he thought that there was a lot of times that you have stuff on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm so like, I don't be surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't think that the cheese will take Tyson just period for all this stuff, we've said about why to see you, or and I don't see him as this as high-level fit for them as
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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't be surprised if we're sitting there like, hey, you just take Jordan Tyson that 29 because he's sitting there in the value, every 19-year-old with TikTok loves Jordan Tyson because his TikTok's are really cool, the movement skills, there's a lot more to the game than just getting in and out of brakes and, you know, cutting on a dime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure he's checked all those boxes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, man, I just will not be surprised if Jordan Tyson is sitting on the
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[SPEAKER_00]: see I could see that and as somebody who prides myself on watching and evaluating wide receiver tape like he is one of the guys that I think is the biggest enigma for people just because you're watching the highlights you look at them and it's it's almost like oh Kevin Cole or not Kevin Coleman um he on Coleman from a few years ago where if you watch the highlights it's like god dang did you throw the ball within five feet of the student and he's gonna make a one handed falling backwards oh don't back up catch and then
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, maybe not, oh, they'll back up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not one of these elite wide receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I could see him falling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know about that off the field stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's actually crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had not heard that from Daniel Jeremiah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But kind of going along with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: My last one here is they don't be surprised if there are fewer elite guys than you expect at Pick 29.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a real scenario where the top players that we have been drafting in our mock drafts, TJ Parker, Zion Young, they're off the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Casey could see on could be off the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there are like to the bills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are plenty of players who we have been mocking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In for that 29 pick that are just not going to be there and we could see a scenario where the best guys of the board are a key measured or Blake Miller, Denzel Boston and you're going, man, none of these guys like, I mean, unless you're deep in the draft, a key measure where I guess has been brought up a lot, but Blake Miller and then Denzel Boston has kind of caught this late fire on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe if you're up to date on the draft you're looking at them and you're going, oh, you know, I have,
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[SPEAKER_00]: heard of these guys before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are a lot of cheese fans that are going to go dude, we had why didn't we get Zion young?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is Zion young not here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, he's because he's a damn good football player and maybe some people like a little crazy in their defense events.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's just a scenario here where there are players that we might not normally draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't fit the scheme that are there at pick 29 and Brett Beach has got to make a tough decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with by last one real quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be surprised if there are 60 players taken and not a running back after Jeremiah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, I don't think that there's around 200 Mac and this class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe some team stretches for a need like the C-Hawks or some other teams, but the C-Hawks only have four picks in this class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, there are a team like I did a mock the other day where I they choose treating back into the first from Pick 40 and the C-Hawks were a natural trade-down spot because I don't have a lot of picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are a team that might push their need up for running back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just not a lot of great running backs in this class, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a low position of need anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jeremiah Loves is the only difference maker in the class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't be surprised if there's just a ton of running backs taking on date three for that reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would, I mean, I'm kind of surprised that there's no name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not sticking with your dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're your dairy and price.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not that he's going to do, but there's got to be not a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little to hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if there's a dude named Christian, I'm in on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roll the price.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually not a big jadarian price guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the round two hype for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some tools there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The speed is good, but I mean, the passing profile is just nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like average less than one reception per game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at Notre Dame, not a ton of passing production or a pass protection from him, and I thought he bounced his stuff too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like kind of a kid, Kenneth Walker derogatory, and that's it's where it doesn't have the explosive play that Kenneth Walker does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I see like Washington, him, and it Johnson will probably be like round three, round four guys, Jonah Coleman, I think like
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's another guy that makes some sense by the way, I choose Matt with Joan of Coleman at the Combine, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and him at Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's some connection there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am, I've got 12 prospects to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 100 prospects and 100 days is submitted D on Berks last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I know who I'm gonna write tonight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just head over to the consensus big board and figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we are putting the plans together for our livestream on draft night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, be sure to check that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Christian mentioned, you can check out my interview with you, just Mr. Schoestor, which is very cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got to ask him some questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been really wanting to ask him about whether he knew Terry Kills getting traded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's it like going on a 30 visit, being an NFL draft prospect?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the most underrated player you've played with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's played with Lavion Bell and Tony O'Brown, big Ben, like played with some real legends.
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