It’s a Wrap!

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Hello, and welcome to it's a rap. There's a couple
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of different things that that means. One, we're rapping twenty
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twenty five of all the all the show that we've
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done in twenty twenty five. Two, we're wrapping the show
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as it exists for now because Yes, John is heading
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out for basic training very soon. Uh, And I'm pregnant
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with our third kid, and we only have two bedrooms
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in the house and this is one of them. And
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or do that's We're in a place in life where
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I'm not sure to what extent we will be able
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to continue. So I think I just want to put
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us in a place where we are not committed to anything.
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So most important thing, I know some of you are
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still supporting on locals. We very much appreciate that. We
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it is up to you to cancel that if you
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wish to cancel it, if for some reason you want
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to continue supporting and you don't care that content may
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or may not come in the next months. I think
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Liz and I are planning a game stream at some point,
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like yeah, and I'm going to keep doing research just
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in case we get something. Obviously, the discord is going
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to remain active the community is going to remain active,
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but I just want to let you know that it
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is it is on you to cancel subscriptions to what
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We're not turning off some switch on the back end.
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I don't even know how that works. A lot of
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those of you who are still supporting have been supporting
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even though we haven't been doing locals excuse exclusive content.
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So but very very very much appreciate you all. Let's see. Yeah,
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so it is not my expectation that you will never
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see content from us again, but just that I cannot
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put myself in a position of committing to that. Yeah,
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so it might be like every once in a while
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we can pop in and give me something but with
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no schedule. But we certainly have no intention of selling
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the equipment or throwing away the equipment or anything like that.
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It's just the things are going to be up in
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the air, and the end of the year is really
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good place to wrap it. So you have seen Liz's
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two part Mars thing, and by the time this airs,
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you will have seen the short episode that we recorded
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just a few minutes ago, the Paulmyra where Wolf incident,
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which was really fun. So that that's your that would
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have been your last from Liz, and this is kind
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of your last from me, and I know that I
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haven't been giving you anything in a long time, and
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I'm going to talk a good bit about why I've
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been in such a weird headspace with conspiracy theories, and
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I like, I think a lot of this is not
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going to be remotely new to you, but I'm going
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to tease out thoughts that you kind of update you
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on where I'm at with some of these thoughts. And
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I plan to go back over kind of maybe not
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every single episode that we've ever done on the show,
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but kind of go back over the episodes and revisit
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some of the conspiracy theories and go, have I have
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I changed my mind about this? Because I know what
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I have done is changed the framework by which I
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look at the world and at weird things and at
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conspiracy theories. And that doesn't mean that I think something
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different about every conspiracy theory, but that I think in
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a different way.
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Also, we had, I think mentioned in another episode that
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this is going to be a game stream. We decided
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last minute that it be less distracting to not do
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that simultaneously.
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And we'll do the game streams yeah, separately and at
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some point and it just just be the game instead
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of some Yeah. Yeah, I figured that was trying to
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do too many things that once. So let's see what
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do I want to stay. I don't have any notes,
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but a couple of years ago I did an episode
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called The Conspiracy of Conspiracies Why conspiracy Theorists Go Crazy?
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And I was starting to see not just in other people,
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but in myself that at some point down the conspiracy
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theory path, everyone seems to go crazy. Everyone seems to
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lose their grip on reality and their grip on morality.
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And those are things I have really wrestled with over
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the past two years because I really like conspiracy theories.
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There's a reason I got into this, and I don't
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want to just flip and go Yes, conspiracy theories are
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dumb and evil, because I find that to be I mean, anybody,
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even if I ended up agreeing with them, anytime I
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ran into an article or a book that took the
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general tack of these stupid conspiracy theorists are just low
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IQ losers and also evil for asking questions. Yeah, it
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just it made me miss everything else they had to say,
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even if they had something good to say after that,
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just that that was the starting attitude and the attitude
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that pervaded the whole thing such a turn off, and
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I do think that that is I realized that when
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I researched things, I didn't do an appropriate amount of
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research into the Steelman for the official narrative because I
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hated the attitude, and so because I didn't I didn't
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want to read that attitude. I don't think I appropriately
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looked into the steel Man. I think, let's take nine
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to eleven, for example. I listened to the arguments for
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the conspiracy theory, and I looked into the evidence that
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was presented by those arguments. What I didn't properly look
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into and I still need to and I kind of
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don't want to still for the same reason that I
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really should read a book steal Manning the official Narrative
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to see if what happens a lot with nine to eleven.
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This is just an example. I'm not actually trying to
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talk about nine to eleven right now. What often happens
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is that a caricature, a straw man of an argument
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becomes the main talking point. So the people who the majority,
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the mainstream of the people who were debunking nine to eleven.
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Just debunk Jeftfield can melt steal beams. Right. All they
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do is talk about how, after twenty five years, we've
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determined that this was possible because we already believed it
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was possible. So we had to find a reason to
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believe that it's possible that the towers fell because of this.
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And that's fine, Like if you believe, like if you
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watch the towers fall because of airplanes, Like if you
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watch airplanes hit towers and then you watch the towers
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fall and you don't believe that there were charges set
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or anything else going on, I can understand why you go, Okay,
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we observed this. Now we have to figure out how
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it happened. Now we have to figure out how it
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was possible. And even if you have to kind of
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go huh, it feels like a bit of a stretch,
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but I do have to figure out with this framework,
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howth this is possible because we know that this happened.
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That's not always going to yield a false answer. Yeah,
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it's there are plenty of situations where something that feels
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probable happens, but you know that it happened, and so
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you kind of have to go and backfill the reasonable explanation.
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An example of this is there was a dormant volcano
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and a village at the base of the volcano and
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something happened in the night and every person in the
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village dropped dead and people and so knowing that that
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had happened, then the explanation for that had to be
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back filled, Like we had to figure out how that
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could have been possible and what it seems like happened.
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And I don't know how much they were able to
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prove it or not, because I don't know what the
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date on this was. But it seems that a bunch
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of carbon dioxide had been pressurized inside the volcano and
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then a pressure valve had broken, so it wasn't like
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a whole eruption, but all of this air come up
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and then it is heavier, so it sinks to the
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ground and everybody's asleep and they don't realize, so they
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suffocate in their sleep because of all of this carbon
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dioxide that just didn't have time to dissipate before everyone suffocated.
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It's one of those like that is so weird, and
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yet it did happen one time, And sometimes that's the case.
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Something is weird, but the circumstances are such that it
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happened one time. But all that to say, that's usually
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the mainstream discourse around nine to eleven, and I don't
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find it compelling, like because the reasons I think that,
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the primary reasons why I have believed that nine to
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eleven was an inside job don't really have anything to
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do with whether or not it's possible for the towers
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to fall. I can accept that it's possible for the
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towers to fall and still think, no, there's too many
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other things that don't add up for me, So I
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think it's an inside job. And those pieces of evidence
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are are not commonly discussed, but I actually have never
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sought out to know if there are good answers for
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those pieces of evidence. For example. The thing I think
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that that gets to me the most, more than almost
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just about anything else, is that the reason the reason
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Norad didn't recognize that I said I wasn't gonna have
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a Novio I am the reason Nora did didn't recognize
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that the planes needed like that they were off course
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for an hour, and Nora did nothing about it, even
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though that was their job and they routinely did that.
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You can look at the stats on how many dozens
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of planes they did that with over the course of
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the year. Prior that, they would normally have scrambled a
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jet and checked on the plane long before it was
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over New York Say, so, a lot of the argument
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is like they couldn't shoot it down it was over
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New York City. It would have killed people either way. Like, no,
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but they knew, of course when it was still an
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hour out. Why didn't they scramble a jet? That's their job,
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And the reason is that they didn't think it was real.
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They were playing a war game that morning, and the
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war game was about planes flying into towers. So the general,
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this is all on record, the general who was in
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charge of the war game said he didn't know it
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was real until the plane hits a tower. That's such
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an odd timing for that wargame for that morning. So
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for me, I'm like, at the very least, somebody on
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the inside who and it couldn't have been very many
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people who had the clearance to know that that was
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happening that morning and that all our defenses were going
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to be down for a couple hours because we were
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playing that wargame. Somebody inside had to inform even if
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Osaman bin Laden is the one who did it, uh huh,
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they somebody still had to tell him this is the
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morning you do this. It feels like if I were
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to be like, Okay, how do I distract Norad for
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this amount of time? Right, Let's have them play a
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war game of playing things so that when this actually happens,
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they think it's part of the game. It's almost like
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the actual concept of the the thing they were doing
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the wargame about was planned specifically as a cover for right. Right,
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So it's so weird. It is so like to me,
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it's so damning game type of thing. Yeah, it is
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that that. It's just like a golden bullet thing for
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me as far as But what I have never actually
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done is hurt somebody who risk like not the here's
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the thing. The mainstream people who debunk a conspiracy theory
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don't actually know the conspiracy theory well enough to properly
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debunk it. Yeah, and I actually didn't, And maybe this
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doesn't exist, so maybe I have an excuse. But I
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didn't go find somebody who knew the conspiracy theory well
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enough to at least attempt to debunk it. I didn't
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read anybody who attempted to debunk the things that were
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the most important to me, and I should have. I
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should have.
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It is so frustrating because I've come across as a
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bunch of like, instead of being like, what is the
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argument so that I can debunk it, there's just this response,
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for lack of a better word, normies of that thing
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just first blush, sounds crazy, so it couldn't have happened,
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So it's not even worth engaging with. Yeah, and that's crazy,
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so it couldn't have happened. Is not a logical response.
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I have found like, as a general rule, it is
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not a good idea to think you are I think
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you are properly engaging with something if you're just engaging
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with the mainstream, run of the mill people on the
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internet talking about it and assuming that that is the
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strongest form of the argument. I don't want people to
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do that with Christianity. I don't want people to do
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that with my conspiracy theories. I want people who have
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I don't want people to go, oh, you don't think
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fiel can melt still beams while it can. End of discussion.
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I want people to go, oh, here's your list of
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evidence from most compelling to least compelling, and I'm going
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to actually provide you with exploit. Sometimes you have a
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really compelling piece of evidence and there is actually a
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great explanation for it if somebody would bother give it
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to you.
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And you know where people do the most work on
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doing this kind of thing is with true crime, where
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they actually do engage with this.
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So it's weird that, right, Yeah, it doesn't seem to happen.
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It's been so interesting watching the Candice Owns thing with
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Charlie Kirk because she has her golden bullet piece of information.
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It's the bullet, right. Everybody who is so wrapped up
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in this conspiracy theory keeps going back thirty out six,
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couldn't possibly have like would never have not Han had
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an exit and blah blah blah, and they get so
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stuck on that that they're like, this is the proof
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that there's something wrong here, This is the proof that
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they're lying to me. This justifies everything else. And I
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realized that's what I was doing with the Nora thing,
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and there is a good explanation for the thirty six.
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So actually I heard a much better It's so funny
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because this conspiracy theory has happened in such real time
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with the incident that we have gotten more information as
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time went along, whereas with nine to eleven, I didn't
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start looking into it until like twenty years out, so
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we had everything that there Wasnation is wrapped and I
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think a lot of stuff is disclosed, whereas this is active. Yeah, right,
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so the best explanation effort. Because because Andrew Colvey's original
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Oh Charlie's neck was just so strong, I can see why.
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I can understand why people were like, no, I'm sorry,
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I don't buy that. But there are two things that
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I have heard from people who know bullets. Yes, one
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that there's multiple types of thirty out six. I've heard
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that that it's not just a single bullet, and we
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don't know what type because we don't have Like the
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trial hasn't happened yet. I think. I think when the
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trial happens, like so much is going to come out.
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So I think a lot of things like depend on
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a a ignorance in a lot of ways, a willful
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ignorance as to how investigations work, how prosecution keeps things
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back for trial.
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Also, I feel like some of the people very confidently
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saying a thirty out six couldn't do x y z
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are disrepeating what they heard and the actually never handled
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a thirty out six right right.
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So one you can it is just the caliber. It
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is not the type of bull. So some types of
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thirty out six caliber are the type that they're talking
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about where it is more unlikely that it wouldn't have
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had an exit exit wound hard. It is harder to
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explain that. But some of them are like the ones
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that explode in your body. Is that yeah, something like that.
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Those don't, Yeah, they're supposed to go. Please don't quote
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me on this because I'm but like the idea is
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we don't know which one it was. But depending on
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which one it was, your argument falls apart because it
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is meant to stay inside the way. That's the whole
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point of it. It's a hunting round.
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So I know, if you have a zombie apocalypse, you
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want to hollow point because it's gonna scramble the brains
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more in the head and drop the zombie.
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Better write that down for write that down for the
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zombie apocalypse. Continue the other thing that just blew my
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mind because nobody, nobody is like saying this up. Candice
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made a big deal about a test, a firing test
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that was done on a on a test dummy, Yes,
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where the shooter used the stronger version of the thirty
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out six and shot a test dummy just flat horizontal. Yeah,
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so that's not the angle that it was shut up,
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that's not the angle it was shot at.
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So that's why are you doing the test like that?
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Uns you want different results.
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This Charlie shooter was up high, so he shot down
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into his neck like this, much more likely to stop
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in his body than if it was like this. Does
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that make sense?
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And then I have to question, Okay, is Candice just
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dumb and not understanding how you need to recreate the
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exact conditions or is she not recreating the exact conditions
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because I did, they prove the therest was round, right.
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So that's all an example of sometimes your golden bullet
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piece of evidence for your conspiracy theory, the one that
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you can't let go of, actually has a great explanation.
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You just haven't heard it yet or accepted it yet.
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And there are I don't think I'm ready to yet,
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and I don't think it really matters, but I do
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need to with something like nine to eleven. Before I
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continue to tell people that I think it's an inside job,
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I really do need to do my due diligence, and
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here actually an actual attempt from somebody who understands the
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conspiracy theory to debunk the main points of the conspiracy theory.
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If my main pieces of evidence I hear somebody try
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to debunk it in they can't been great, I can continue.
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Doesn't sam Rad have some good knowledge about the whole thing?
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I think she mentioned me being very knowledgeable about it.
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I I'll have to ask her. I haven't actually had
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that convers I've talked with her about so many things,
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but mostly in the realm of psychosts, psychedelics and spiritual
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stuff because she has heard stories for days. Oh no,
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it wasn't sam Rad. It was Oh I should know
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her name. I'm so sorry. She's Jewish and we were
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talking about Oh, Chris Raya, thank you. It was Kris Raya,
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like the one who's not by one Jewish friend. I'm
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just iding Jewish friend nod because in my head apparently
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they became the same person. My apologies. Now, I've only
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I've only had a handful of guests in general on
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the show. So the number of Jewish guests or is
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even smaller than that, and female is even smaller than that.
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So that was easy to row down. Okay, I'm scrambling
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to explain my Jewish friends.
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My goodness, I have Jewish friends to know how nine
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to eleven work, and it's not because they were responsible
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for it.
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So what I do come One of the things that
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I've been doing is stepping backward and trying to fix
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my framework because I think something got broken in my framework.
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And when something is broken in your framework, in your
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in your method, you're not guaranteed to come to the
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wrong conclusions. You might come to the right conclusions, but
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you're more likely to come to the wrong conclusions. And
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so one of the things that I have been editing
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in my froum and some of these things, I'm still like,
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I don't know where exactly the line is on, but
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is my belief about truth and about how strong the
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truth is. My belief about the truth is that it
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is powerful, that it it actually doesn't stay hidden, It
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comes out forever it comes out.
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You want to know a great example of that, and
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you're gonna hate me up. Okay, I don't know if
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you've known about this. It's just it sounds like such
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a distraction, but uh so everyone has been under the
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understanding for years now that Simon Cowell was the one
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who created One Direction the band.
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Oh he wasn't. It was this lady I forget her name.
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There's actually there's footage that a surface now of her
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putting them together and then freaking Simon cow Bell to.
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Addit for it for all these years and now it's
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coming out and there was one of the one he
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took credit for that another woman had done. Yeah, so
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just like a man to take credit for a boy
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band that he didn't create. And the footage she's like, oh,
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these these these little stars are so cute together. The
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little girls are gonna love.
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Them, and like she she's putting them together and she's
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like a person who knows bands.
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Yeah, it was like freaking Simon again cow Bell. Yeah,
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I love that. And I mean, how many years did
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it take that to come out? At least twenty lord time,
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I don't even remember when. Yeah, well at least ten,
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at least ten, maybe fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not
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necessarily something comes out immediately. It helps when people are digging.
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It helps when people are actually going looking for it,
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and it helps when the powers that be aren't like
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trying really hard to keep something down. But that's an
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example of something where the powers that be, like Simon
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Cowell's a powerful guy, and he would have tried pretty
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darn hard over the years to keep that down, lost
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his grip on it, and now we all know. Yeah,
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So as I'm actually really glad you did bring that up,
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because it's a great example of what I'm saying. So
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it's not necessarily immediate, but the truth does out. The
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thing about you know, Charlie, Charlie's assassination is that the
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trial is going to happen, and hopefully the truth outs
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in the trial in a way that gives us a
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little bit of faith into this. So one of the
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things that one of my rules of thumb has been
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that as time passes, a conspiracy theory should get Uh wait,
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I feel like I fixed myself up on this one
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smoke coming out of your ears. So I guess there's
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almost like two thoughts intention I'm having here, which is
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why I'm stumbling on it. Moon landing. Nobody thought that
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was fake when it happened, and it has been not
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with additional information, but just with the passage of time
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and the change of culture and the loss of information
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and the loss of information that speculation has arisen and
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the theory has grown more and more popular. That it
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didn't happen something like Charlie Kirk's assassination. Immediately people started
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to think this is a this is this is a conspiracy.
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And I think that as time passes, more and more
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people are like, oh, okay, it's not and looking at
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the people from once the conspiracy originated and how not
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stable they are, it's really hard to take it seriously
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at all that there's even a reason to have a
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conspiracy theory. I do think the origin point of something matters.
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It doesn't mean that they're always going to be wrong
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just because a crackpot is somebody who thought of it first.
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The Alex Jones' right jar is a great example of this.
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He's he's off on so many things, but he gets
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things right. But he sometimes too. He's not a paranoid schizophrenic,
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that's true. He's a kookie uncle Alex and with a
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lot of personality, but he's a showman versus like I,
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and I'm not trying to say disregard conspiracy theorists because
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the conspiracy theories people are crazy. But we look at Candice,
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she's spiraling into something that looks a lot like paranoid schizophrenia.
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I would not be surprised if we see a diagnosis
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come out at some point. Yeah, I would not go
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to a random schizophrenic on the street who has his
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little diagram of a time machine and they get that
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guy the government. Yeah, the chips and his blood beam
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it into his brain. Yeah, yeah, something like nine to eleven.
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I'm torn on because it's one of those that people
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did think it was a conspiracy as soon as it happened,
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and also the conspiracy has grown over time. But with
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government conspiracies, I do think it does take longer for
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things to come out, as opposed to something like Charlie's assassination,
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where like I guess there's the argument that it's a
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government one, but given that like the locality of the police,
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like it's the local police primarily investigating it. The FBI
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is involved, but like the primary investigators are the local police,
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it's more of a true crime case that's being like
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worked on in real time than it is a government
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conspiracy as much as Candice wants to make it that. Yeah.
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Also side note about there's like a sub sub sub
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conspiracy theory related to nine to eleven that falls more
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to a true crime where there's at least one person.
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I think even too, it looks like they may have
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seen what happened and seized the opportunity to fake their
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deaths to use that giant shakeup and the possibility of
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if this person went missing around this time they were
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likely in the towers.
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Who actually weren't.
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There's once person especially who it's like this. I don't
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think they disappeared from the tower. They just disappeared at
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the same.
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They had a reason to fake their death, saw their
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opportunity in one way that that's amazing. I would love
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to cover that. I'll have to dig it up. I
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think crime Jackie might have covered that. So this is
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a framework thing. I don't think it's like a I
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don't think it's a principle that you can just apply
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and go Okay, if twenty years have passed and we
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don't have like incontrovertible proof, then this was never real.
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But underneath my framework, one of the things I'm struggling
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about with nine to eleven, is that just about twenty
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four years have passed. It's twenty four years. Twenty four
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years have passed and we're still this uncertain Yeah, there's
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not been further clarification. That's kind of and something that
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is already so shrouded in secrecy. Like if if the
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conspiracy theory is that the CIA knew, like that it
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was a liehop that it was a let it happen
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on purpose, that the CIA knew and they traded information
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with the Taliban and or al kay al Qaida. If
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it's kind of a softer thing like that, I can
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see how that could be hidden for longer. But there
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I do. I just think there comes a point where
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with the passage of time, you're like, the truth is
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stronger than that. The truth should have come out by
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out that. The truth about COVID came out quickly. It
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came out within the span of a couple of years.
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Some of the ones that we go, look, this is
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my this is my reason for believing in conspiracy theories.
483
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You're like, yeah, because it happens so fast, like it
484
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was not. They try to tell you it was a
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conspiracy theory, but they couldn't do it for very long.
486
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And I think it's in media this happens a lot
487
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.279
where there's this very intelligent mastermind and we kind of
488
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:22.400
take that betrayal as life like of like, oh, the
489
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.960
people in charge of these things are really smart, and
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00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.039
I think people who do nefarious stuff are often kind
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of stupid, and they make there's a rule of sumpt
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don't break the law when you're breaking the law, like
493
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if you have a body in your trunk, don't run
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stop signs. Yeah, but like people who are stupid enough
495
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.519
to do one crime are stupid enough to do another
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thing that catches them out.
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I forget where I was going with that, So you
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can continue with your thought and then I'll cut you
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off when I remember what my point was. I think
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some of the ones that I am more willing to believe.
501
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.480
Tons of time has passed and this is still a
502
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mystery is when we were never certain and the secret
503
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is small. So JFK assassination. From the very beginning, we
504
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.759
were like, is the guy that they claim was a
505
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:13.880
shooter the actual shooter? And like there was an it's
506
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a true crime and the only the only missing piece
507
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is if it wasn't him, who was it.
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I still think for that one that it was an
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accidental shooting by the CIA person who was supposed to
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protect him and they were just like, it would best
511
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if it doesn't come out that that was us just
512
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messing up so terribly.
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Let's let them think it was a random assassin. How
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would the CI have accidentally shot him? Guys, I go
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to school. Gun who oh oh oh, just like a miss,
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like a fire like yeah, yeah, I don't know enough
517
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about the circumstances. I got like a bad disarm m yeah,
518
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.359
like some someone is some one? All yeah, gun did
519
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a thing. Yeah yeah. So in that case with JFK,
520
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we don't have to speculate. But in the case with JFK,
521
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the secret that you have to keep his actually very small.
522
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.160
It's just who shot the gun? Yeah, not everyone would
523
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:09.119
know that, yeah yeah, especially if like m the order
524
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.240
came from one person to one person. The person did
525
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.039
it and that's it. Like that, there wouldn't be this
526
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paper trail. There wouldn't be It's in the same way
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00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.839
that like it took us years and years and years
528
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.839
to figure out who Jack the Ripper was, Like, just
529
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.480
if the question is just identity of the killer, then
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I can see how that can stay hidden for longer,
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especially if you don't have the tools right then. But
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if you have a conspiracy theory on the scale of
533
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.319
nine to eleven, I do have questions about how long
534
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.559
that can that can really stay hidden? Yeah, And there
535
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.799
are multiple points, I mean more than just a nor
536
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I think there are multiple points about that day where
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I'm like, I I can't swallow that, like to this day,
538
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.799
cannot swallow it, have not heard a good explanation for it,
539
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.440
and there's too many Like I'm still I know, I'm
540
00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.960
kind of starting to steal man it a little bit.
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It I will tell you I don't want to believe
542
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.920
it anymore, and I will get into that wine a
543
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little bit. I don't want to believe the nine to
544
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.240
eleven conspiracy three anymore. And I don't know if I'm
545
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.920
gonna have to tease out that thought in a minute.
546
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.279
But I'm still at the point where I do, like,
547
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.839
despite not wanting to, I do because of my knowledge
548
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.440
of the evidence.
549
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.279
At this point, I feel like there's a third thing
550
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.319
and actually you're gonna hate me, but we could just
551
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.759
use I hop as this it happened on purpose.
552
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:41.519
It happened it wasn't an accident, Guys, No, I don't think. Okay,
553
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:45.799
I distracted myself with a bad joke looking at Hoppy
554
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.160
nine eleven was not an accident. Are you sure you're
555
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.319
qualified to be on this conspiracy show list? Do you
556
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.119
know what we're talking about? Because I was thinking about
557
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:05.119
so Bondy Beach, the shooters zeh, there was more than one, right, Yeah,
558
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.960
had isis flags and someone was like, you can't make
559
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.920
the super religious thing based on Islam? And it's like quick,
560
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.079
real quick, real quick. What does the first eye and
561
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.720
isis stand for? What's that say?
562
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And just the response of like trying to make it
563
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a conspiracy where.
564
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.440
It's not because you really don't want to believe the
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00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.880
ISLAMI is. Yeah, and it kind of feels like we're
566
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.519
acting like that's a new thing. But what if that
567
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.839
was an issue way back then of like trying to
568
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.279
make it What if the conspiracy source is from people
569
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.200
who are doing for Islam, who are desperate to not
570
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.200
believe it was Islam. Yeah, here's here, let's go back
571
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to Charlie. It's because this one is so popular and
572
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.720
so it's the thing right now. Yeah, I think people
573
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:55.240
are desperate to not believe that a random loser training
574
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.759
or gay training lover, yeah, could kill a man. I
575
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.640
think that is so hard for people to swallow. Like, guys,
576
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:08.800
we had Abraham Lincoln about this, like three loser theater kid, right, Yeah,
577
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.159
it is so hard to accept that. And I think
578
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that that is the source. That there's two sources. I'm
579
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.039
going to get to the second source in a minute,
580
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:17.960
because I think the second source is part of my
581
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:22.559
framework for why conspiracy theories exist at all. But in
582
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.599
this particular case, I think that a lot of times
583
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.039
the conspiracy theory will will crop up because the truth
584
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.719
is too hard to swallow for one reason or another,
585
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.159
And this one is that no one wants to believe
586
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.039
a man as great as Charlie could have been taken
587
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.119
out by such a fucking TOWRP.
588
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.679
And also it ties into what we talked about in
589
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.199
the pelm or Wolves episode of how people have like
590
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.760
this poor sense of self preservation and one thing that
591
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.239
people will do in order to protect themselves from the
592
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.400
feeling of fear is to just deny that there's a problem,
593
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.800
which does not actually stop the problem.
594
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.880
Yeah. Yeah, So I do think we have to, yeah,
595
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.360
be careful that the source of a conspiracy theory isn't
596
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.039
trying trying to cover for something you're not willing to accept. Yes,
597
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.880
And I don't know how much the Islamophobia thing was
598
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.400
going on them, but I do know that the origin
599
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:18.480
point for those conspiracy theories was leftist. That's just incontrovertible.
600
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.960
The people who started the theories started them because they
601
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.920
hated Bush and they wanted to they hated well, okay,
602
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:33.480
uh huh, not necessarily because they hated Bush, because that
603
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:39.599
assumes that they started them dishonestly. Let's give for the
604
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.360
sake of argument that the conspiracy theory started honestly, but
605
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.480
they were started by people who did not believe Bush
606
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.800
was a good person. Already before they decided he was
607
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.159
the villain of that story, they.
608
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.760
Were already primed to see the worst in him, so
609
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.360
they automatically just didn't trust him.
610
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.840
And some of the best argument that I have heard
611
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.599
against the nine to eleven conspiracy overarchingly is that Bush
612
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.119
is too stupid to have pulled that off, and that
613
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.480
painting him as a super villain of any story ever
614
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.039
just kind of dumb. And it's it's funny that that,
615
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.920
because of COVID people who have this kind of attitude
616
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.320
toward conspiracy theories have been painted in a certain light
617
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.039
of like, oh, you're just defending the establishment. Oh you're
618
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.719
just blah blah blah. But I think that a lot
619
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of the people like Ben Shapiro and some of that
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00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.360
like generation of people, they're just their framework is that
621
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.800
conspiracy theories were like all leftist. So it's some of
622
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:46.960
their attitude toward conspiracy theories is political of like I
623
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.599
don't trust the source, and I don't trust the way
624
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.159
that the source thinks. So nothing that's coming out of
625
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.639
that direction is worth the thought and effort to And
626
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.760
there's art into precedent for leftists running interference for islamis
627
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.440
This is obviously a different country, but before nine to eleven,
628
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I think, yeah, I would have been like the seventies
629
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:09.079
or whatever.
630
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.840
Iran before the takeover of the Islamic it was the
631
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.280
leftist who ushered in the Islamic Party and then immediately
632
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.599
Islam turned on them and like executed and touch them.
633
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.119
So there's there's a natural bend bent for liberals to
634
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just for leftists to see the best in the worst. Yeah. Yeah,
635
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.039
as a general rule, I think another thing that is
636
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.159
going on with nine to eleven, especially in its increasing
637
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:41.199
popularity in recent years, is that the War on Terror
638
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.519
was a disaster. It was a disaster. It hurt so
639
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.480
many Americans. It hurt Like, I am not going to
640
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.280
be a I'm never going to be a bleeding heart
641
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:57.000
for the even even the for terrorist regimes. I'm just
642
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.960
I'm not going to be a bleeding heart for terrorist regimes.
643
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:00.239
I'm not going to be a bleeding heart for or
644
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:06.760
like the way the Islamist wage war creates more civilian casualties,
645
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.440
like the whole thing, the whole way it's structured. So
646
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I'm not gonna like cry over the civilians that we
647
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.360
killed in that context. It's just, Yeah, they don't wage
648
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.360
war the way we do. They don't. You can't play
649
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:21.840
by two different sets of rules.
650
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I think a lot of people in the West don't
651
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.000
understand that Islam, Like people who are in Islamic countries,
652
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.199
they fight like it's still the seven hundreds. Yeah, they
653
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.480
don't fight like we do in the twenty first century,
654
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and you cannot act like those are the same thing,
655
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yeah and hold it. Yeah, but I do think that
656
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.199
like there's no matter whether you're coming from like a
657
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.760
loss to America, or you're coming from like a bleeding heart,
658
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.960
how dare we kill all these civilians in these countries,
659
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.880
or just like the pointlessness of it, like how little
660
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was how little was accomplished for all that suffering. Yeah,
661
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I think there's a weight of guilt that we just
662
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.239
as a nation feel guilt and regret and loss that
663
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I think that.
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Bless you, my child. Another factor that goes into conspiracy
665
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.920
theories like this is just needing somebody to blame, needing
666
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.320
to blame somebody other than like because if you believe
667
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.880
our enemies attacked us, we attacked them back, and then
668
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.679
for the next twenty years we just shit the bed
669
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like we just did. It was just this senseless nonsense
670
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no matter how you slice it.
671
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This might not earn me some points, but I compare
672
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.280
it to Israel's response to the Palestinian attack on ten
673
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.400
to seven. If Israel had fought ruthlessly, there would be
674
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actually less casualty in the long run, if they had
675
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.440
just taken care of the problem immediately. And I think
676
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.199
the same with America. It's when the war gets dragged
677
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out that yeah.
678
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And it's harder when there's hostages. But we didn't have
679
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.239
that excuse either. We could have gone in and done
680
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.119
just an absolutely devastating set of strikes and called it good.
681
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.079
We could have said, and I think it would have
682
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.480
been appropriate for us to say, you killed this number
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00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.239
of our people, We're going to kill approximately ten times
684
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.400
that amount, and we're going to call it good.
685
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.719
And the other thing that like it's really hard for
686
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.679
the Western mind to wrap around is that when you're
687
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dealing with someone who operates and things differently than you,
688
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.599
in order to make a point to them, you have
689
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.480
to do you have to do it on their terms,
690
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.599
and their terms are so much more barbarics, and they
691
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:36.920
don't care about their civilians.
692
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They don't do their hearts aren't going to hurt for
693
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the civilians you kill, but what will the term them
694
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is if you kill their leadership. And so they feel
695
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.400
like if I if I step into this, I'm going
696
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.800
to lose my life. And this is it's like it's
697
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.760
schoolyard bully mentality because if they know that our hearts
698
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.280
bleed for their children, so they will happily put their
699
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.440
children in danger so that their children get hurt to
700
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.079
use it against us because we care. And it's so
701
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.039
awful and it keeps working. Yeah, yeah, it's been where
702
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.079
it worked all through the War on Terror. They send
703
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.960
little kids out there with momb strapped to them and
704
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.840
or with the machine gun, and our guys would really
705
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.000
struggle with what to do about that, because nobody wants
706
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.440
to shoot a kid. But they've they've conscripted this kid
707
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.960
into the war efforts. So what do you do? Like,
708
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:25.880
what do you do? You let the kid kill you?
709
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.760
And I saw a stark example from Palestine of like
710
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someone filming a little kid. He looks like he's just
711
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.280
talking to an armed guard. The guard's not even I
712
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:35.719
don't think the guard's pointing the gun at him. Who
713
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.760
might be, I don't remember if he was. But someone
714
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.239
pointed out, like hold up, pull up, hold up, Why
715
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.559
are you putting your kid out there and then filming
716
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.480
them from a distance? What loving parrot is not standing
717
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.880
there with their child to protect them. Why are you
718
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.119
bringing your child anywhere near this? Yeah, person you're saying
719
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.440
is genociding you, Like you're clearly using the kid as
720
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:59.599
pr filming for a distance. Yep, Yeah, good example. So
721
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I do think that there's an attempt to I think
722
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a lot of conspiracy theories that at this stage in
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America is we I posted this article into the discord.
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It's about the Jewish question. Oh yeah, I though, And
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one of the things, one of the main points that
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they made is that when nations, when civilizations start to decline,
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when civilizations decline, many many times throughout history, they have
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blamed the Jews. And I think it's just it's just
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a feature of civilizational decline that the people who were
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in it do not want to take responsibility either that
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they themselves, through their actions, have caused the nation to decline.
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So like our boomer generation doesn't want to take responsibility
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for their choices, but our like millennials and gen z
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who have who are decisions have largely like we're largely
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not old enough. Like the first person I was old
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enough to vote for was Trump, so and I've voted
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for Trump every time. So none of none of my
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decisions could be argued to contribute to the decline of
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the country. But it's incredibly scary to be like I.
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I think it's almost harder than taking responsibly for like,
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oh man, some of the ways that I voted when
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I was in my twenties really got us on a
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bad path as opposed to I am in a bad
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situation in my country and I now have to take
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response even though I didn't do it, Like I have
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to take the responsibility for fixing it. It's I think,
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so much easier rather than burying the weight of that
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to go the Jews destroyed us. Yeah, well, and it's
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sometimes it's like so outside of logic.
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It's it's it's like a mind virus, like with the
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Babonic plague. They were the Jews for poisoning the wells. Like,
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where do you even come up with that idea?
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Well, it's not just that you want someone to play.
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It is that they want something, someone to blame. But
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it's also that they want an easy solution. Yes, that's true,
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desperate for an easy solution. You're looking at a desperate situation.
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Everyone's dropping down at the moubonic plague, and you want
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to believe if I just kill all the Jews stop,
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if I just you know, if I these sound bites
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are gonna be terrible. Now, if we just, if we
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just support all the Jews, America will just magically fix itself.
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This is this is what the Jewish question conspiracy has
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become in America of And I would encourage you to
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read that article because it covered things way better than
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I could, and it did so in such a like
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to the point, and I said this in the when
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I posted it, but the author, who is Jewish, treats
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the conspiracy theory with respect. It treats the conspiracy theory
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with like this is how you got here. Here is
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an actual rebuttal of that argument. Here's what's true about it,
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Here's what's false about it, here's and it just it
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was so good. I it was. I appreciate. It's the
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best thing I've read on the topic, and one of
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the I think maybe the best conspiracy theory debunk I've
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ever read of any conspiracy theory ever. And also just
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a debunk of not the theory part, but the the
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lie of intentions about the deporting the Jews, because those
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same people have a problem with Jews in Israel, yeah,
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and they have a problem with us in any other country.
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So what they're saying is they have a problem with
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Jews existing. So that's reading between the lens a little. Yeah, yeah, no,
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that's certainly, that's certainly there. But no, it is a
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desperation that and this was this was the case with
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Nazi Germany, that the derangement of Hitler aside, they weren't
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such an awful place like there they were wrecked after
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World War One, and rather than face the hard work,
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the face the hard, hard to swallow pill of we
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did this to ourselves, we accepted a leader that led
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us into this war that completely devastated us, and now
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we have to take responsible responsibility for that. But then
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the even harder thing of how do we even get
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out of this? How do we fix this? And what
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they wanted, what they chose was to blame one group
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of people and kill them all, And it's so stupid
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and at the same time, it's the desperation that leads
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people there. And it's just so interesting that it's always
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the Jews.
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I mean, yeah, I think it's happened to other societies
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that don't have Jews, where they will pick someone, yeah,
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but it's so so often the Jews. And it's interesting
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that in the societies where they have done this to
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the Jews and kicked them out, they have not recovered.
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Yeah. Yeah, I've heard the argument that like Spain expelled
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the Jews and then they had the Golden Age okay,
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but like then what like they had a couple of
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years that they labeled their Golden age, and now Spain
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is like literally nothing, no one, no one barely even
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remembers there a country anymore. We've had more recent civil
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wars in America, like no, like Spain has not been
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anything on the world stage. Exactly. It's I I love
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I love the liberals who are just so dumb. I've
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seen it happen several times of like, if you're white,
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there's no reason for you speaking Spanish. That's like you're
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colonizing Spanish.
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I'm sorry, Spain, Spanish or Spanish came from It actually
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came from colonizers. So how dare the Latinos use Spanish language?
817
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That's colonizer behavior from them. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be.
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A bad sound bite anyway, quick pause, pulling back a
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little bit to the framework. So I became troubled watching
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conspiracy theorists spin out both into insanity like losing grip
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on reality and an immorality, and that it troubled me
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how often that was the case, and when you I
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had to get past the I don't care what people
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think of me. I don't care if bad. You know,
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I don't care if Democrats think I'm a crazy conspiracy
826
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theorist for thinking that COVID came out of a lab
827
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in Wuhan, because it obviously did. But if I am
828
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with my own eyeballs observing a pattern of people who
829
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embark on a certain path, in a certain way of thinking,
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losing their grip on reality and then losing their grip
831
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on morality, then I have to take that seriously. I'm
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I'm noticing, I'm asking questions. I'm just I'm just pattern recognitioning.
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And I saw it enough that I began to think,
834
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is this where I will end up? Am I am?
835
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I on? Because I think it's so easy to believe
836
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I'm the exception to the rule, But you're now, because
837
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I'm my Mommy's special little angel, You're you're almost never
838
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going to be the exception to any rule. You're doing
839
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violence to me right now. And I could feel it.
840
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I could feel it inside my head. I could I
841
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could feel things starting to come loose inside my head.
842
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And there were things that and this is the point
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of this episode is not to take shots at former
844
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co host or anything like that, but there is a
845
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very real sense to which if you surround yourself with
846
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people who think a certain way, And it was always
847
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true that a former co host was further in than
848
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I was, So there was a very much a like
849
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you're following in pulling in, and it the two things
850
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very very fun. Like it is conspiracy theories are so fun,
851
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so like letting yourself get pulled into that is so fun.
852
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It's entertainment. And I think that's a big, a big
853
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thing that happens is that people forget that the story
854
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that they're following that is so entertaining is real, that
855
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it's real life, and it becomes so fun tickles your
856
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brain in this soap opera kind of way, in this Oh,
857
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I'm investigating, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying the thrill
858
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of the hunt. There's nothing wrong with enjoying digging up
859
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the truth. I think that there's a certain extent to which,
860
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like if if the motivation is love of truth, if
861
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it genuinely is, and it's not, the problem becomes that
862
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people say that they say, I'm just trying to get
863
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to the truth. I just want the truth. I hate lies,
864
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I love the truth. But in reality it's clear that
865
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.920
their relationship with truth is not good. It's clear that
866
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they're dismissing things that they don't want to believe and
867
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embracing things that they have no reason to believe or
868
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is good evidence because it fits their narrative. And then
869
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.719
it's like, no, you don't, you don't love the truth
870
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though it's so obvious that you don't, And then how
871
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are you sioping yourself into thinking? And I do think
872
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that so much of this is deeply spiritual. I'm trying
873
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to hold onto my thoughts because they're going in a
874
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couple different directions at the moment. But I think when
875
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.760
you the first thing that happens is that you stop
876
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.639
caring enough about the truth. And when you let go
877
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of the truth, then you're going to lose morality too.
878
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And that's why that that progression happens, insanity and then immorality.
879
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And I've seen that just.
880
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In general of not even in the context of conspiracy theories,
881
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but someone who just does not really love the truth
882
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.760
in terms of like even telling little lies or even
883
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.719
like not to call exaggeration lying, but there's there's like
884
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exaggeration where it's clearly exaggeration, and an exaggeration where it's like, oh,
885
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if I didn't ask a clear, fine question, I would
886
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have just believe those numbers because you presented them as truth.
887
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That that kind of bluzse added toward to the truth
888
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does also come following with lack of.
889
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Morality in other areas, So it falls. I think that's
890
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how you get to something like a deep Jew hatred,
891
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that that first you come to love the narrative more,
892
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but then you come to love your evil more. And
893
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also I think on the deep spiritual level, like Jesus
894
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is the way, the truth and the life, that God
895
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is truth, like actual objecting truth. So if you reject truth,
896
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you're rejecting God.
897
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Yeah, and God chose the Jews as has chosen people.
898
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So if you are rejecting the God who chose the Jews,
899
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it follows that you would also reject the Jews that
900
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he chose because he chose him, because you hate him.
901
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And even zooming out farther than that, because I know
902
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that people will take issue with, oh, they're not the
903
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chosen people or whatever, or the church is to just whatever,
904
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like we're not here to debate the theology of it. Yeah,
905
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but when when you reject truth, you reject God. And
906
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.639
when you reject God, you embrace you reject truth and
907
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:47.519
reject God. You embrace Lucifer, and you're in. He will
908
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continue to feed you his his agenda, and his agenda
909
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has throughout history over and over again been to eradicate
910
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I think some of the greatest, the greatest piece of
911
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evidence that God isn't done with the Jews is how
912
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desperate Satan is to eradicate them. If if Satan didn't believe,
913
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if Satan believed that that hm, let's let's put it
914
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this way. Satan appears throughout history to be more intent
915
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on eradicating the Jews than eradicating the Church. And what
916
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does that tell you about what he believes is the
917
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.599
lynch pin of God's plan for Satan's demise.
918
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Yeah, although agreeing with you, but also potentially counterpoint but
919
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agreeing with you, is that if I were the devil
920
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and the savior of the world came out of a
921
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specific population, I would hold a pretty big grudge against
922
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that population.
923
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No, I think it's it's I think it's both. I
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think it's a grudge and a recognizing that I think
925
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part of your plan. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, he terrified
926
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of them, He's terrified of the Jews. It probably should
927
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be more terrified of the Church than the Jews. But
928
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here we are the.
929
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Root of the Jews ruining everything is that the Jews
930
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actually did ruin Satan's plans. They did actually ruin his
931
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world because his world was like God doesn't have his
932
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son come into the world. The Jews kind of messed
933
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it up for him.
934
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So if you're looking at it from Satan's point of view,
935
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the Jews are responsible for the things that you don't like,
936
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which is Jesus coming to the world. And if you
937
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not everyone believes in the rapture. A lot of people
938
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don't believe in the rapture who are good Christians because
939
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I do think it is, like I do think it
940
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is in scripture, but I think that it's veiled. I
941
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don't think that it's like very very explicitly stated, And
942
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so anyone who is like super dogmatic about the rapture,
943
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I'm like, eh, I agree with you. I think that
944
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the rapture is going to happen, but I don't think
945
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your role. However, my argument would be that the reason
946
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Satan isn't as afraid of the Church as the Jews,
947
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as he knows God's going to remove the Church from
948
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the equation. At some point Jesus told me there and
949
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that's who he's afraid of because of that. I don't
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know anyway, tryan I'm trying to use some things as
951
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examples but not get too lost in any one conspiracy question.
952
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But I do think overarching there is this massive spiritual
953
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thing where I think every single conspiracy theory that has
954
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really captured people's minds, like the really big ones, not
955
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the ones that are like a flash in the pan
956
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for a little while, but the really big ones, I
957
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think that they are all driven by spiritual stuff. And
958
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I think that the events that are most likely to
959
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be surrounded and cloaked with conspiracy theory are demonstrably spiritual events.
960
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.880
Here's what I mean. I think that us landing on
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00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:52.679
the moon was a demo, like was what was a
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00:56:52.719 --> 00:57:00.320
spiritual event? Us getting out of our our planet and
963
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.880
getting up into the heavenlys where angels are or like However,
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00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.480
you I don't I don't want to assume too much
965
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.639
about the order of things, but I think that that
966
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:17.760
we know that there was something spiritually significant about that,
967
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.679
and so I think that anytime there's that much spiritual
968
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.800
significance to something it's going to be weird, especially since
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00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:31.119
there was so many like deeply occult people involved with
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00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:35.519
the technology of getting us there. Yeah, that was that
971
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:40.679
the first time we used a technology from you know, right,
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00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.360
probably not the first time, but a very significant time.
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00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.239
Trump's Trump's assassination attempt. I think that that, like is
974
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:58.880
people like James Lindsay is an agnostic, former atheist agnostic,
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00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.599
and even He's says like, yeah, I accept that this
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00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:07.039
was a miracle, like and so I think anytime you
977
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.360
see something like that and you're like, let's talk about
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00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.039
Trump assassination for a minute, because this is another one
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00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.440
of like the truthful out things, and it hasn't And
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00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.280
I think that I really think that it would have
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00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.480
if there had been, because I really believe this at
982
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:26.880
the time, and the farther we get from it, the
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00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.000
more I don't. And I'm perfectly willing to see something
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00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.239
open up later, a case that's being privately built that
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00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:39.840
Trump will bring later maybe but a year into Trump's
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00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:50.559
presidency and we haven't heard him even ye make the
987
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:55.480
accusation that the Biden White House tried to have him killed,
988
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:58.000
And I think that he would, like we know, Trump
989
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:03.280
think that he would, even if they're trying to build
990
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.719
a case, you would. I feel like, yeah, it's Trump's
991
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.440
one of those people like even if he's supposed to
992
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.599
be quiet about something, he's not going to be. He
993
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.840
doesn't really know the appropriate time to shut up about
994
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:18.960
certain things. One of my one of my golden bullet
995
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:20.199
things where I was like, this has to be a
996
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.679
conspiracy theory was that it was the only rally of
997
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:29.239
Trump's that was aired live once. And I think that
998
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:35.559
that can be explained spiritually. I think that both. I
999
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.880
think it's one of those events that both sides of
1000
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.280
the forces in heaven were working. Yeah, and they both
1001
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.360
wanted it to be aired. My a separate thing.
1002
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:51.400
Sorry, I connected a thought and then I jumped ahead
1003
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:53.719
without cloning you into the connection. Another big thing is
1004
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.880
a Titanic, like another spiritual.
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00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.360
Conspiracy type thing. And I forget the name of the
1006
00:59:58.360 --> 00:59:59.960
ship that came to help. Do you remember the topic
1007
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:00.840
your head?
1008
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:02.920
There was the ship that came that pulled the survivors
1009
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:04.079
out of the water, and if they've been in the
1010
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:10.239
water for longer, then more would have died. And the Carpathia,
1011
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.840
my understanding is it could not there.
1012
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.719
There might have been a second ship that came. I'm
1013
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.000
going to botch this a little. Was there a there
1014
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.719
a second ship that came to help the Autonic? I
1015
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.320
will say, while you're looking at that, just the whole
1016
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.159
Not even God can sink the ship. And then the
1017
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.079
ship sinks, like yes, it has a heavy spiritual weight
1018
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.519
over it. Okay, yes, I was trying to remember.
1019
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:35.800
So there was the SS Californian that was much closer,
1020
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.679
but it failed to help, and the Olympic and Mount
1021
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.239
Temple were too far away. The Carpathia was the only
1022
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:45.960
rescuer to help any survivors. And my understanding is the
1023
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.119
Carpathia was not a very fast ship and it could
1024
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.079
only go like a maximum of a certain amount knots,
1025
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.159
and that night it exceeded it by like several knots,
1026
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.440
and it made like time that should not have been possible. Right,
1027
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.840
there was like an amazingly moving Instagram Instagram tublr post
1028
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.239
on it of like a very factual breakdown. I was like,
1029
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.000
this is almost like poetic of like that night it
1030
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.480
like did the impossible of like sometimes things just kind
1031
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.119
of get moved around a little beyond human power.
1032
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.599
And I do think it's interesting that like the way
1033
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.119
that you could frame the Titanic, I think one of
1034
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:23.599
the rules of thumb I'm kind of coming to I
1035
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.000
think I said, I kind of articulated this already. But
1036
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.480
if it is a major conspiracy theory that has lasted,
1037
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:35.119
that has just taken the world by storm, become insanely popular,
1038
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.199
insanely talked about, especially if it's lasted many many years,
1039
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.199
I think it's because it has something significantly spiritual about it,
1040
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.119
that there's this instinct in all of us that forces
1041
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:47.199
beyond our power were involved in this event. And I
1042
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.199
think that that is true. And I think that it
1043
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:56.920
is generally misattributed to a human force driving the conspiracy
1044
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:01.159
when it was a spiritual force driving a conspiracy. That Yeah,
1045
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.079
it was wild that the Titanic sunk, because God sunk
1046
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.920
that ship. But he also provided a miracle to mitigate
1047
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:13.199
the harm of it, Yeah, to rescue as many people
1048
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:18.119
as possible, or that only the people he wanted dead.
1049
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:20.960
So I found the post. Sorry, this little clip form.
1050
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.440
It it's a great post. I might drop in the
1051
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.440
discord if I remember too. Carpathea is absolute do or die.
1052
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:28.480
The engines can't take this forever. Top speed was fourteen knots,
1053
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.039
dodging icebergs in the dark and the cold, surrounded by mists.
1054
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:33.000
She sustained a speed of almost seventeen and a half
1055
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:35.320
for the I think it was three hours that it
1056
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.639
took to get to the just barely for three hours
1057
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.840
after they got the distress called shut uplication, which had
1058
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:43.840
probably mean that like the wind was at her back,
1059
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.679
the current was like, yeah, things that only God could
1060
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.639
do were doing that. And the big issue is like
1061
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:54.159
working the steam engine at that that complete capacity will
1062
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.760
destroy the engine that it held up that long.
1063
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.199
It is also aticle yeah, and that they were wilt
1064
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.400
like and that the but the captain was willing to
1065
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.039
risk ship to save people.
1066
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.840
Yeah, they could literally just been like, we're not equipped
1067
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.159
for this, we're too far out right, not our problem.
1068
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:13.679
Yeah, yeah, the other ships did that. So and we
1069
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.360
don't know why God does what he does, but I
1070
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.599
do think it's it's really clear that I mean, everybody
1071
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:25.679
seems to think that the Trump assassination was just spiritually heavy,
1072
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:28.400
and I think that like a couple things can be
1073
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.199
true that there was a pathological hatred of Trump that
1074
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.480
led to certain decisions that I don't I don't think
1075
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.119
any one of them was like we're trying to get
1076
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.800
Trump shop so much as we just can't be bothered
1077
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.400
to do our job protecting him the way that we
1078
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.519
would protect anyone we gave a shit about, Like, we're.
1079
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.559
Not trying to kill him, but it wouldn't take too
1080
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:51.239
many shots of fireball to get over seeing him die
1081
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:51.719
in front.
1082
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:55.440
Of me, right, right. People who were like we're going
1083
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.480
to put the least we're going to put the least
1084
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.960
qualified secret Service agents and women, right, we're going to
1085
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.559
say we're not going to check the sloped roof because
1086
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.039
we can't go on a sloped I think I think
1087
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.679
some of that is just like laziness born of hating Trump.
1088
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.519
And I don't think it's like this big grand conspiracy
1089
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:20.920
theory so much as just this pathological and that stacked
1090
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.440
up to yeah, a bunch of things like the malicious
1091
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:30.880
compliance type thing, yeah, or malicious incompetenceized incompetence that too.
1092
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:32.800
But when I was thinking of is like we'll protect him,
1093
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.960
but like oh yeah, well yeah yeah, And I think
1094
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.599
that that something like that, Like one of the things
1095
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.599
that people got really hung up on was and we
1096
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.719
talked about this at the time, like, you expect the
1097
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.719
Secret Service to be insanely competent, you expect them to
1098
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.679
be operating an extremely high level of competence. And so
1099
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:53.239
many different details that day were like this just reaks
1100
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:56.960
of insane incompetence. Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, yeah, but
1101
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.159
it's not because there was this. I don't think it's
1102
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:03.079
because of this grand conspiracy theory, grand human conspiracy theory
1103
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.000
so much as just this this hatred of Trump that
1104
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.280
that and also this hatred of having high standards, like
1105
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:18.239
because DEI is right, lower standards right. One thing that
1106
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.360
I think is true about conspiracy theories in general, but
1107
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.000
especially conspiracy theories today, is that they give humans way
1108
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.480
too much credit, way too much credit. There I kind
1109
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:31.599
of used to dismiss this more than I do now,
1110
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.920
But this kind of idea that like, never attribute to malice,
1111
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:41.639
which you can attribute to incompetence. And there there were
1112
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.719
times with the Trump assassination in particular, I was like,
1113
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.280
I don't believe that level of incompetence is possible, Like
1114
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.760
I don't believe in it, Like, but I should. I should,
1115
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.280
especially with the state of our culture, with a state
1116
01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:00.920
of our standards everywhere. But especially within government. You couple
1117
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.000
the state of the standards with the hatred for Trump,
1118
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:06.079
and of course you're going to get that level of incompetence.
1119
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.800
Of course you are, and I did. It was It's
1120
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:12.079
not lost on me that the smartest people I know
1121
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:18.159
believe in higher levels of incompetence than I do, Like, yeah,
1122
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.719
because they have experience with it, like they've seen it. Yeah,
1123
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.360
there are These are people who operate big companies. These
1124
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:30.679
are people who who see the world from a vantage
1125
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.599
point that I don't, and they believe in that level
1126
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:37.800
of incompetence because they've seen it. And I think that
1127
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.000
it is the conceit of conspiracy theorists that they're the
1128
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.880
smartest ones in the room, And it is the conceit
1129
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:49.880
of normis who hate conspiracy theories that conspiracy theorists are stupid.
1130
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.920
But it bears out in the in the science that
1131
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:55.559
conspiracy theorists are not the smartest ones.
1132
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.519
In an example, real quick, because it made me think
1133
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.800
of it, you would think a CEO would be smart
1134
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.159
because they've gotten to the top of a company and
1135
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:04.079
they're running a company.
1136
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:04.280
Right.
1137
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.360
There's a case of a tech CEO who was running
1138
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.800
like a website building company and they had a woman
1139
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.320
had hired them to build a website and it was
1140
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:14.920
just this back and forth over a year where they
1141
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.639
just were not giving her the product she paid for.
1142
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.400
All she was asking was like, make the product I
1143
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.920
gave you money for, right. And they have this behind
1144
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.280
the scenes meeting that they recorded talking about how they
1145
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.239
were going to essentially gaslight her and not give her
1146
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:29.840
the product force or to sign an NDA so she
1147
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:31.360
can't write a better review, et cetera, et cetera, c
1148
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.960
and then they accidentally sent that recording to her.
1149
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:42.079
It's just absolutely incredible. It's absolutely incredible. Just kiss and
1150
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:45.480
I think that that one thing that lives rent free
1151
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:46.960
in my mind. It's just one of those sticky thoughts.
1152
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.920
I worked at Christian summercant This has come up on
1153
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.800
the show many times, but specifically, for several years I
1154
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.880
worked on the climbing tower and there was one year
1155
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.079
where for the first half of the summer, the team
1156
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.599
that worked on the tower, we were just about daily
1157
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.880
practicing our climbs, and we were getting better and better
1158
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:12.199
at a rapid rate. And then we reached a point
1159
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.719
of the summer where we were tired and we were
1160
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:23.319
lack of sleep, our muscles were tired, some injuries, like
1161
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:27.319
various things, and we we peaked and then we dropped off.
1162
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.119
And not only were we not getting better at climbing,
1163
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.319
our climbs were getting worse. Our climb times were getting worse.
1164
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.159
Are like execution of some of like the jump moves,
1165
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:43.520
and things were getting worse. A particularly difficult part of
1166
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.319
the wall that I was able to do. I had
1167
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.800
trouble doing like things like this. And I remember thinking
1168
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.239
at the time, how is it that I peaked? How
1169
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.199
is it that I peaked and then started to decline?
1170
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:57.800
And that's just in like one summer in one teenage
1171
01:08:57.800 --> 01:08:59.600
girl's life. And it wasn't just me, it was like
1172
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:03.439
the whole group of us three who who peaked and declined?
1173
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:07.479
And I think it's so difficult as a society when
1174
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:10.000
we have this memory of just a generation or two
1175
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:14.399
ago of American greatness and then we're like we're declining?
1176
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.199
What what? And it's it's really hard to swallow. It's
1177
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.399
like I have to find a reason for this. I'm like, no,
1178
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:22.960
I think that is actually just normal humanity. You have
1179
01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:28.680
to fight ahead. Yah, yeah, that that humanity naturally peaks
1180
01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:30.439
at certain points and then declines.
1181
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.560
You have to fight so hard for so long to
1182
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:37.720
defeat inertia, like to get out of these exceed escape velocity.
1183
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.399
Right of that. Yeah, And I think that there's this
1184
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.680
this assumption that once you are in a great trajectory
1185
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:45.279
that nothing is going to stop that. But that's not true.
1186
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:52.520
There's there's there's a peak for everything, And so I
1187
01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:55.479
think a lot of conspiracy theory of what we're going
1188
01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:00.000
through now is like trying to explain that to ourselves.
1189
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.000
Tartaria is trying to explain that to ourselfs like how
1190
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:05.640
could we have peaked? How could we have stopped being
1191
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.520
able to make these wonderful buildings, or how could we
1192
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.920
have stopped caring to make these wonderful buildings. There has
1193
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.159
to be a different reason other than like humanities just declining.
1194
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:21.000
Well, a small scale example is the nineteen seventies animated
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Lord of the Rings movie. Is they've got rotoscoping in it,
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where you have like live actors filmed, but then you
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draw over them, so it creates this really cool effect.
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And my understanding is Sata were telling me they don't
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know how to do that anymore.
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Yeah, like you'll have somebody who like pioneers a technology,
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gets really really good at it, and then like they
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don't pass it on correctly, or they do pass it on,
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but the person they pass it to never has an
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01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.479
opportunity to use it because the movies aren't like trying
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01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.439
to use that anymore. So by the time you get
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to where you kind of want to do it again,
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nobody can do it anymore. And it's a combination of
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01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.720
skills not being passed down, or skills not being used,
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or people not valuing the skills so that they were
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It's like a password you use all the time and
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01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.720
you remember it and then you stop caring about that
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01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.960
website for a while until you forget your password it
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and then you try to like, oh me, I really
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want to get back into that website, and you can't
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remember it. I think it's so so normal. I think
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so much of conspiracy theory is driven by not being
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01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:28.239
able to swallow the true thing, not being able to
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01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:32.279
swallow the responsibility, not being able to swallow like I'm
1219
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.520
in this impossible situation, not being able to swallow this
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tragedy happened, not being able to swallow that unseen forces
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are working behind the scenes, and they're not human forces.
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They are spiritual forces, and we don't understand how God works,
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and we don't understand how the devil works, and we
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01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.239
don't understand why these things work together in the way
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01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.039
that they do. Because this is something like Trump's asassination,
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it seems like both forces were working, like you could
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feel that leading up to the event. Then it felt
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01:11:57.840 --> 01:11:59.600
like everything is in flux and there's a battle in
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01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:01.840
heaven and we don't know who's going to win, and
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even if Trump wins, we don't know if that's actually
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01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.079
the good guy's winning. You know, it just it just
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01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:10.720
was so monumental. I think that's the case with Charlie's
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murder as well, that there's this massive spiritual weight around it.
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And I think like a common trend with people who
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really get into the deep dark conspiracy stuff is that
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it essentially becomes you're trying to search the scriptures of
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01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:29.520
Satan to find his prophecies and stuff and why because
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we already know he doesn't win, and also you're just
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reading his Bible all the time. You're essentially worshiping him
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by you know, sermonizing on all this stuff. Like when
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you look long into the abyss. The abyss, Yeah, gets
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01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.560
really annoyed and is like, leave me alone.
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And this is this is one of the things I
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01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:50.680
come to in my framework where I'm like, first, I
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01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:52.239
come to the point where I'm like, I think a
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01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:56.239
lot more of the systemonic and spiritual than anyone thinks,
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and so I think, so I begin to tend toward
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a demonic or spiritual explanation for a conspiracy theory, and
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I think that that's true. And so it feels like
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01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.319
there's two choices. Either I could go a path that's
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not true. I could I could follow conspiracy theories that
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are not true, or I could follow into this dark
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01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:19.960
abyss of looking at the spiritual world and trying to
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figure it out. And I think that both of these
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paths are false, are are unhealthy. I think that they're
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01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:28.840
both wrong. And this is where I'm really struggling. And
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some of you, I might lose some of you here,
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and this is where I'm just this is just where
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01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:37.039
I'm at. I do wonder if there's an extent to
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which we're not supposed to that even even though it
1261
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.960
may be true that there's a grand spiritual conspiracy around
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01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:53.359
X y Z, event that the type of diving into
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01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:59.159
it that I've done, especially for me, the type of like,
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what's the name of the entity that was behind this
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01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:08.199
the whole my obsession with the Pantheons early in the show,
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you know, with Poseidon, the entity Poseidon involved in the Titanic,
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that kind of thing. I think that that's where I
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crossed the line into something wrong, because I'm not supposed
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to be obsessed with demonic beings. I'm not supposed to
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be obsessed with trying to figure out how they think
1271
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and how they operate and what their plans are. The
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01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:35.640
thing about, like, if the conspiracy theories are being run
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01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:38.520
on a spiritual plane, then it's none of my business.
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It is God's to handle, and it's there's nothing wrong
1275
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.720
with noticing, hey, this event has a has a spiritual
1276
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:53.000
weight about it. Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with saying, wow, okay,
1277
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.319
this is something that I should pray into, or this
1278
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.000
is something that like I need to recognize that this
1279
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.680
event was weird because it was spiritual and not because
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01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.119
it was a grand human conspiracy theory. And I do
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01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.760
think that that's probably the case about nine to eleven too.
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I remember the conversation I had with saraj hash me
1283
01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:13.520
long time ago where he suggested, Yeah, maybe it was
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like kind of impossible or weird that the towers fell.
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01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.439
Maybe it was just because God like wanted them to fall,
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like that a little earthquake came and they fell like
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And I don't think that there's any evidence that a
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01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.039
little earthquake came, but that idea resonated with me of like,
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because I get one of the other things I get
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hung upon about nine to eleven is like three steel
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frame buildings in the history of ever have collapsed due
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to fire. Okay, what if that's because God wanted them to? Like, right,
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01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:45.479
And it doesn't mean it has to be a miracle,
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but just that sometimes something being rare, something needing a
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01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.680
certain set of circumstances, certain set of rare circumstances that
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they would stack the way that they did to happen.
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Can I intergest yes? Okay, so Isaiah eight eleven to fifteen.
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I keep thinking about this. This is what the Lord
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says to be with his strong hand upon me, warning
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01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:10.399
me not to follow the way of this people.
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I'm reading an NIVTIS because that's what came out first.
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01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.640
Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy.
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01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.840
Do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.
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01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:19.880
The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard
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01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:21.720
as holy. He is the one you are to fear.
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He is the one you are to dread. He will
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be a holy place for both Israel and Judah. He
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will be a stone that causes people to stumble, in
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01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:29.760
a rock that makes him fall. And for the people
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01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:31.760
of Jerusalem, he will be a trap and a snare.
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Many of them will stumble, they will fall and be broken.
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They'll be snared and captured. And I think the point
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01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.760
here that is helpful for us to take is that
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when you see the nation's falling apart, it's not a
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01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.279
conspiracy necessary the necessarily of the devil. Sometimes it's the
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01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.159
Lord making everything you set out to do fail because
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01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.640
you are not following God. And I think America's has
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01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:50.800
not followed God for a long time in like the
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01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:54.560
blood sacrifice of the abortions and stuff. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
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I think they'll I think on this, even on this show,
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I've like kind of laughed off that scripture. None. Oh,
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it's not actually saying like you can't ask questions or
1323
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it's not actually saying you shouldn't chase down the truth,
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and you know when people Yeah, but I think you
1325
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.720
have to be so careful. I think that there's a
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01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:30.520
reason that because it's it's that it is one thing
1327
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.600
to say hang on a second mm hm. As the
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01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:40.199
truth comes out about this particular thing, it more and
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01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.840
more like the truth is stacking up, and it's like
1330
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.359
there was a lie told here and some bad people
1331
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:51.039
were trying to do some bad things. That's great, perfectly
1332
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:55.960
within within Bounce. It is the mindset that at all
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01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.000
times people are trying to deceive me. At all times,
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01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.239
the truth is hidden. At all times, I have to
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01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:05.119
go digging for the truth because I'm the only one
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01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.760
who can see the truth. There's a haughtiness to that,
1337
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there's a pride to that. Yeah, oh, I have the
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01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:17.279
pattern reco skills, I have the secret knowledge. And it's
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01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:23.039
a seeing conspiracies everywhere thing especially. I think that that
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01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:27.199
that that passage is referring to, and I think that
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01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:30.479
I fell into that simply because of the sheer amount
1342
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.840
of content we were creating here. There's a perverse incentive
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01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.359
when you are putting out an episode every single week,
1344
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:43.720
and a current like it was our Thursday Nights was
1345
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:48.159
usually a commentary on current events, so spinning week to
1346
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:54.760
week finding something weird to make something of. There was
1347
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.119
such a strong incentive to do that every single week.
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01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.239
Well I'm sorry, I remember when I first came on.
1349
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:05.039
I was like, oh, in order to keep interest, I
1350
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:08.119
can see this temptation to go for the craziest, most
1351
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.560
niche conspiracy theories of like even making stuff up. And
1352
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:12.439
I was like, I'm not even going to start down
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01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.479
that path because I can see that just like there's
1354
01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:18.399
no outlet from that once down there. Yeah, there there
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01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:22.520
is a a part to that where it's just not
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01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:27.079
to blame the audience because we set up the we
1357
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.880
said the structure that then we're like, we feel like
1358
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:33.359
we have to keep doing this. But especially in the
1359
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.399
older days, there was this attitude of like, we know
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01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.640
you're going to cheer the more unhinged we get.
1361
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:41.560
Yeah, and it also did attract this is not everyone
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01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.399
I'm mostly talking about Stater, but it also it also
1363
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:47.920
did attract a few people who are genuinely like I'm
1364
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:52.319
uncomfortable with this. They're not followers anymore, Like this is
1365
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:54.359
this is not a healthy crowd that we have attracted
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01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.479
with this kind of feet that we've laid out, and
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also going back to the passage, I agree that it's
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that with your take, but I also think the main
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01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:06.399
thing is like when we talked about demonic stuff in
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the Old Testament, it's very clear that the evil spirits
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01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:10.840
don't have any ability to do anything with that permission
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from God. So I think what God is trying to
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01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.199
say is ultimately, if this thing happened, it's because I
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allowed it, yes, for reasons of judgment, yes or whatnot,
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And so us going crazy being like I have to
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stop this, I have to figure out the truth.
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It's like God allowed it for some reason, figure out
1378
01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:27.560
how to get right with God instead, and even just
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01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.960
down to like, God did not give us the ability
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to see the spiritual realm for a reason. What is
1381
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:36.039
happening in the spiritual realm is not our business. It's
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01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.239
took our brains so for us to be like, oh,
1383
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what's going like? And it is one thing to feel
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01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.159
the spiritual way and be like God, I pray that
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your will is done here so I can feel that
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this is this is like, that's great. I think that
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if if the attention to it, the feeling of it
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leads you to prayer, that is always right, Yeah, as
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long as you're praying to the God. Yeah. If it
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leads you to fear, then no. And I I think
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that there are ways that I told myself that this
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was leading me closer to faith, closer to God, but
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it wasn't like that it was leading me to more neuroticism.
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There are there are ways that and again I don't
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know where the line is, and so I I right now,
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I think I'm airing on the side of I'm not
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going to touch conspiracy theories because I think that my
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brain needs to heal. I do. I think that, like
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I let myself operate in a certain way. There's even
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a way that like you kind of string evidence together
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and you make connections, and I think that there's just
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01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.479
like a way that you can start to break your mind.
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And I think I was starting to do that. It's
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like it's like when you go into like numerology and stuff,
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01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:57.880
you just another verse that that's come to mind is
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two Timothy one seven. For God not given us a
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spirit of fear, but of power and of love, and
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of a sound mind mind. And I think it's really
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interesting that like those are antithetical. If you're constantly living
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01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:09.720
in a state of fear and paranoia, you're not living
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01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.399
in a state of a sound mind. It's not to
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call you crazy if you think, you know, there's some
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01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.079
darkness here that needs to be exposed, because I'm not
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at any point saying, you know, you should because God
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allowed this to happen, that doesn't mean he's not going
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01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:21.239
to punish the people who did it and that the
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01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.279
truth shouldn't come out. But just yeah, I think people
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01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:26.520
take on the job description of God and then it
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01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.840
cooks their brains. Yeah. I think a lot of times
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01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.560
the function of conspiracy theories is to distract us from
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01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:36.399
the things that we are that are actually important, Yeah,
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01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:42.359
like being a person who reflects Jesus. Yeah, And to
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01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:46.119
a lesser extent, like right now there's a crap ton
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01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:52.960
of fraud being exposed in Michigan. It's uncomfortable, it's not entertaining,
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it's not glitzy case the Jews, it's not Yeah, it's
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not this like wonderful saga of a conspiracy theory that
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it just feels so good to put it together and
1428
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:08.039
you're like, ooh, the roths childs or whatever, roths children.
1429
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:12.840
It's like, oh, this makes me so uncomfortable that this
1430
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:15.239
level of fraud existed, and I would rather not look
1431
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.880
at this. But that's the real that's the real conspiracy stuff.
1432
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.319
That's the stuff that's like the vast majority of conspiracy stuff,
1433
01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:24.239
conspiracy theorists don't don't care about, don't want to look at.
1434
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000
And I think that that's kind of telling. I think
1435
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.680
that it's kind of telling that it's it's not that
1436
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:34.960
you're you and I. It's not that we are interested
1437
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.600
in exposing lies and cover ups and conspiracies wherever they are.
1438
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:41.359
It's not that we're so in love with the truth
1439
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:46.359
that we're just like just really just want to expose lives.
1440
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:50.560
It's a hit. It's the hit, and the hit has
1441
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.880
usually and it's so subtle. Sometimes it's so subtle all
1442
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.319
the time. Usually has way more to do with what
1443
01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.960
we have permission not to feel than what we actually found.
1444
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.560
The hit of, like, oh, nine to eleven was an
1445
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:10.000
inside job. I don't have to worry about the threat
1446
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.479
of Islam on the world. I don't have to worry
1447
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.119
about the threat of terror. I don't have to carry
1448
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.039
the way to fighting a war against people we don't
1449
01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.800
know how to fight. I think a lot of this
1450
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.960
is very subtle, and a lot of people are very
1451
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:33.520
quick to heap accusations of evil on conspiracy theorists when
1452
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:36.560
I don't think that the vast majority of what's driving
1453
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:41.000
conspiracy theory, even if it's unhealthy and wrong, is anywhere
1454
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:41.680
near intentional.
1455
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:45.039
Well, because I get the same like, ooh, excited feeling
1456
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.319
if I learned something cool about ancient.
1457
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:49.279
Archaeology about a disease.
1458
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.079
It's just like a knowing something that's maybe a little
1459
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:53.560
bit more niche that you didn't know that kind of
1460
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:57.279
expands your worldview. Also, side note, I think that like
1461
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.359
a conspiracy theory that would be healthier to fotecus on
1462
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.319
because there's more practical stuff is to focus on, Hey,
1463
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:05.000
what's up with the internet trying to make men and
1464
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:06.640
women hate each other just like way more than they've
1465
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:10.600
ever hated anymore? Because that's the thing that's a problem.
1466
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:13.560
Yeah, Yeah, I think that there's there's things that are
1467
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:15.560
right in front of our faces that we ignore in
1468
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:22.920
order to spend our time on certain conspiracy theories. Yeah,
1469
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:31.520
and oh, let's see, I had a thought and I
1470
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:35.520
kind of lost it. Okay, let me pull up. I
1471
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:41.720
was going to go through and look at everything. You
1472
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:45.520
have so many notifications from the conspiracy Post. Now it's
1473
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:51.079
so bad. Do you even have that many notifications? Oppressive? Okay,
1474
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:53.239
let's talk about Hollywood a little bit. So are you
1475
01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:55.079
going to show your screen or no? I'm not. I
1476
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.680
think I just referencing some of the old episodes just
1477
01:25:57.720 --> 01:25:59.680
to remind myself what I might want to talk about.
1478
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.640
Did I just leave? Yeah, come man back. I just
1479
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:06.199
actually get the space bar and it cut me. I
1480
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:11.680
think it can be absolutely true that there are dark,
1481
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:16.600
demonic things happening in Hollywood and in the upper echelons
1482
01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:20.000
of power. I think that that that bears out biblically
1483
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:23.920
that the more power and wealth people have, the more
1484
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.159
dark things like they're into. Like, I think that we
1485
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:37.600
know that, and to be obsessed with that is not healthy.
1486
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:43.399
I think about the Epstein list. I think, like it
1487
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:45.720
is right to want the truth to come out, and
1488
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:49.640
it is right to want justice for the victims, and
1489
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.479
I think that it is wrong to obsess and obsess
1490
01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:58.119
and obsess about it the truth. I think that there's
1491
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.239
a certain amount extent to which, like you should put
1492
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.399
pressure on, like, especially when it was so badly handled
1493
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:06.840
by the Trump administration. I think it was absolutely appropriate
1494
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:09.960
to continue to put pressure on the Trump administration to
1495
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:16.439
do that to But I think that just the constant
1496
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:21.079
obsession around it. At the end of the day, it's like,
1497
01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:27.199
why are you thinking about child abuse so much? Like
1498
01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:36.960
at some point I think that it. It's like the
1499
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.760
trans stuff too. It's like, yes, this is evil, but
1500
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.760
if your mind is set on evil people doing evil,
1501
01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.359
at what point do you cross the line into participating
1502
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.680
in it? And I feel like it's different per person, Yeah,
1503
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:51.279
but I will say the way that the liberals have
1504
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.680
responded to it makes me feel like they're more interested
1505
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:57.720
in it because they can point fingers at certain people
1506
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:00.039
being bad, like they're hoping versus like, let's get the
1507
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:04.199
truth out right. But like that one, I can see
1508
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:05.039
that one.
1509
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:07.800
I could justify being more obsessed with personally because of
1510
01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:10.000
how big it is, But like a smaller scale example
1511
01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:12.760
is how obsessed for so many years some people have
1512
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.039
been with the Eliza Lamb case. And I'm not talking
1513
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.399
about like bringing up and researching it, but like having
1514
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:19.800
constant websites and message boards and stuff to the point
1515
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:23.479
where like this is your entire life. Yeah, there's there's
1516
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:28.079
a line past which it's not healthy. Even if finding the.
1517
01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:30.920
Truth is important, there's a line in which I don't know,
1518
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.000
you can do it wrong. I don't. Yeah, No, I
1519
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:36.159
think that there's it's it's like the money pit on
1520
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:41.319
Oak Island. Yeah. Yeah, there's a really reasonable curiosity there,
1521
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:46.319
and there's a really reasonable, like to a point, really
1522
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:48.319
reasonable for people to be like, oh, I have some
1523
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:50.439
time and some money, let's let's try to thank you
1524
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:54.319
Ben a summer. But then there's a way that people
1525
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.359
get hooked into something and it just drags them under.
1526
01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:00.960
I do think it's like the game mentality of the
1527
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.000
next time I win, the next time I win, and just.
1528
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.640
All of a sudden, if I dig more into this
1529
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:07.680
conspiracy theory, I'll find the truth. I'll find the truth.
1530
01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.680
I'll find the truth. And I think that there's this
1531
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:12.000
feeling like if I could just answer this question, it
1532
01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:14.600
would unlock everything about the world for me. I think
1533
01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:18.119
that there's something much bigger. And I think that with
1534
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:23.159
the Epstein case, everyone tells themselves that what they want
1535
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:29.479
is justice for the victims, but in practice, we loved
1536
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.079
We initially became obsessed with it because there was this
1537
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:37.560
belief that this will expose every evil person who is
1538
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:43.000
currently in power in DC, and by exposing them, we'll
1539
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:44.079
be able to get them out of power, and we're
1540
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.000
going to fix our country. I think that was the
1541
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:48.439
lie that came out of it. And at the end
1542
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:50.600
of the day, it wasn't about the victims for people.
1543
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:52.640
It wasn't actually about the victims for people. It was
1544
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:55.600
about using It was about this being the tool by
1545
01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:58.439
which we were going to fix our country. And also
1546
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.399
I think people just kind of forgot to ask question
1547
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.079
of like if they have the list, they would have
1548
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:05.760
like if they have the list, if they've read it,
1549
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:08.720
us seeing it isn't going to bring about justice if
1550
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:10.520
the people in charge know the list and haven't done
1551
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.520
anything about it. I don't think people despair enough. I
1552
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.079
think there should be more to spare in the world.
1553
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:21.319
I what I mean is the hope that us knowing
1554
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:24.560
the Epstein list thing is never going to bear because
1555
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:26.560
those with the list would have done something about it.
1556
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:28.479
If us knowing it would have made a difference. I
1557
01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:29.840
don't know if I'm framing that right right. No, I
1558
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:31.600
think it's a good point I think that there's a
1559
01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:34.479
point where you have to say, there is deep evil
1560
01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:38.760
in the world and it is ultimately God's yeah to
1561
01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:41.920
deal with and it is not up to us. I
1562
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.720
think that there's like a feeling in conspiracy circles that
1563
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.720
it is up to us that we have to dig
1564
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.119
into this thing. We have to find the truth, we
1565
01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:50.800
have to ply the pressure, we have to we have
1566
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.319
to connect the dots, and if we don't, no one
1567
01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:56.640
else will. And if we don't, the world is going
1568
01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:58.640
to stay bad. The world is going to stay bad.
1569
01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:02.920
It is going to say bad, it's worse, yeah, yeah,
1570
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.119
and and and no amount of pattern recognition and digging
1571
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:08.560
is going to fix that. And I think that that
1572
01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:14.279
that's where people go crazy is because there is encased
1573
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:16.520
in some many of these conspiracies. If I could just
1574
01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:21.399
solve this, everything about the world will come right. And
1575
01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:25.720
that's not true, and there comes a desperation about it.
1576
01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:29.199
I I watched this with nine to eleven, where I
1577
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:35.159
watched people be vicious to somebody who didn't believe the theory, yeah,
1578
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:38.079
because they were desperate for somebody to believe the theory
1579
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:40.520
with them. Nine eleven isn't a fairy that's solved by
1580
01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:43.680
us all believe me, right, right, But there seemed to
1581
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.399
be this this belief that if we could just get
1582
01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:50.119
everyone to acknowledge the truth, that the world would be
1583
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:56.239
better it. Something else that bothers me about nine eleven
1584
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.560
I failed to bring up earlier is that no one
1585
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:04.880
has come up with a sequence, like an alternative theory
1586
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:07.079
that works. It's one of those like I think it
1587
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:10.279
was an inside job, but I can't really explain. Uh, Like,
1588
01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.920
no one I have ever heard has come up with
1589
01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:19.960
a cohesive theory of what happened that that solves for everything.
1590
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:24.800
And I think that there's a reasonable excuse for that,
1591
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:29.680
but not twenty five years out, not twenty five years out,
1592
01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.920
And going back to the scene thing this is I
1593
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:35.680
wouldn't apply the thought across the board, but I think
1594
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:38.119
that there is some biblical precedent for like the wicked
1595
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.840
prosper for a time. And I think when you see
1596
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.079
someone like that evil, like all the people involved with
1597
01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:46.720
that p ditty, all that stuff, where it looks like
1598
01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:51.520
they're escaping justice, I think there's a reason. I think
1599
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:53.359
this is several things that God allows people to do
1600
01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:56.319
the fullness of their sin before ending things, but also
1601
01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.600
no justice they could face on Earth would even come
1602
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.399
close to dealing with what they did. And so it's
1603
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.720
like their justice in its entirety is safe till after
1604
01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:08.399
they die. So in the meantime, yes, they are. They
1605
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:10.000
look like they're getting away with it, but they're not
1606
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:12.119
because they're gonna They're gonna die and then they're gonna
1607
01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.439
meet God, and what God can do is gonna be
1608
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:20.600
so much worse than dropping this up in jail. Yeah,
1609
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:23.359
time travel conspiracy theories, I think I'm at the point
1610
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:24.880
where I'm just like, I don't buy any of them.
1611
01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:32.600
I there's it just doesn't I have yet to hear something, Okay.
1612
01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.479
The ones that I do accept a little bit are
1613
01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:39.039
are more of like what if the nature of time
1614
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:45.199
like things two things meet, or like echo or if
1615
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.399
you stand in this spot, maybe you can hear something
1616
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:50.880
from another like it's it's it's a it's a question
1617
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.680
mark about the physical nature of time, because I think
1618
01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:56.079
that that question is open in science. So it's not
1619
01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:59.520
a conspiracy theory so much as like what if the
1620
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:03.199
things that we don't understand about time right would explain
1621
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.399
this really easily. That's kind of where I leave off
1622
01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:06.720
with that.
1623
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.960
Also side note, because I was talking to my coworker
1624
01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:12.960
about this. So the Bluetooth symbol, like the name Bluetooth,
1625
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.000
and the symbol is actually from like some Viking dude
1626
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:18.640
like his symbols. So I cannot wait until two thousand
1627
01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:20.600
years from now where people have all kind of lost.
1628
01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:21.720
Understanding of what bluetooth was.
1629
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:24.840
But they're like they had this technology, and actually there
1630
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.319
was this time traveler Viking in the past who used
1631
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:28.520
that technology in the past.
1632
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:36.239
You can see his yeah, yeah, Entertate. We reported on
1633
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:39.399
Adertates so early in the game, and recently I looked
1634
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:45.159
back over the timeline and the people get this. The
1635
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:49.720
first two people on the Right to interview Adertate and
1636
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:51.680
to bring him into the mainstream of the Right as
1637
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:55.279
a hero, Tucker and Candace. Tucker and Candace, how did
1638
01:34:55.279 --> 01:35:01.560
I know? I did not know about Andertate before Tucker's interview. Interesting,
1639
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.119
Tucker is the one who brought him onto them, onto
1640
01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:10.159
the stage, and Ucker and then Candace and I continue
1641
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:14.319
to have a conspiracy theory about who Andrew Tate is
1642
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.680
and what he has actually been doing behind the scenes.
1643
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:20.359
Laurence Southern wrote in her book about meeting him, and
1644
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:24.640
I don't I want to say this very carefully. She
1645
01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:27.640
does write about him raping her. I don't think that's
1646
01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:31.520
the most important part of the story for her. I
1647
01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:34.560
think it is, and there's there's no taking that from her.
1648
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:39.680
But as far as like the overarching narrative, Laurence Southern
1649
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.920
was in conservative media and the reason she was there
1650
01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:45.640
in the first place with Tommy Robinson is that they
1651
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:48.720
were invited there under at least the pretext that the
1652
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:52.800
Tate brothers wanted to heavily invest in a conservative media company.
1653
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.760
And it's unclear from her narrative, and I don't think
1654
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:01.600
she even knows whether they were serious about that offer,
1655
01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:06.119
or if the money was supposed to go somewhere else,
1656
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:08.439
or if they were just it was just a pretext
1657
01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:10.359
to get them in the door and party with them
1658
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:15.800
and whatever. But it is interesting that at least that
1659
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:19.800
idea was planted even back then, that the Tate brothers
1660
01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:23.319
were interested in controlling conservative media. Yeah, and one thing
1661
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:24.760
that was very clear to Lauren at the time when
1662
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:27.760
she walked in there is that they were generating tons
1663
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:31.640
of money through crypto scams that like their money was
1664
01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:35.079
dirty and has been dirty, that the opera that the
1665
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:38.039
operation they were running was criminal, and the money that
1666
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.159
they wanted to pour into conservative media was dirty money.
1667
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:46.720
And I look at the trail of events that Tucker
1668
01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:49.199
used to seem normal, at least publicly, he was normal,
1669
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:53.199
and then he interviews Andrew Taate, and then there's this decline,
1670
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:57.199
and then Kennas seems perfectly normal. She falls in with
1671
01:36:57.319 --> 01:36:59.159
Andrew Tate and with her husband, who's a friend of
1672
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:03.640
Andrew Tate decline, and I want and I have to
1673
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:09.399
begin to wonder how much how much is going on
1674
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:12.479
how much is happening behind the scenes there, how much
1675
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:17.359
of a conspiracy is that? What drugs does he give them?
1676
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.479
What what money is putting in what direction? What what
1677
01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.520
blackmail does he get on people of like I invested
1678
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:26.159
my money in you, and you didn't say no to
1679
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:27.720
all this money, but you know where it comes from.
1680
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:32.760
And now I have this on I think our original
1681
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.880
theory was a little bit more of like Epstein child
1682
01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.399
diddling stuff that we kind of put for on the
1683
01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.319
show a couple of years ago. And I think it's
1684
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:42.479
probably more about the money.
1685
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.039
I am going to be so pissed if entertained is
1686
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:49.000
the is Antichrist that would be so disappointed.
1687
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:53.159
It is interesting though that that was one of the
1688
01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:58.399
earliest things we reported on. And he's the Iotola his nephew,
1689
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:03.159
isn't he And he's he's probably watch me get assassinated.
1690
01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:07.600
After this episode, I think that we've I'm not going
1691
01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:10.159
to revisit Nephilim just because I think I have teased
1692
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:12.960
out my thoughts on Nephelim so much on the show
1693
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:15.439
recently where I think I have landed in a place
1694
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:18.319
that I'm comfortable with about NEFHLM, and I've properly warned
1695
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.319
you about the things that I'm worried about regarding that.
1696
01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:24.319
Oh, I did want to make one admission. I think
1697
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.520
one example of where I let my conspiracy thinking be
1698
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:33.279
a broken way of thinking, and I put, okay here,
1699
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:37.720
it's the Himalayan pink salt thing. So my thought process
1700
01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:44.319
here was I saw the conspiracy theory that Himalayan pink
1701
01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:49.680
salt is the petrified remains of super giants. So this
1702
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:55.479
rested on the idea that not only is Enoch true,
1703
01:38:56.399 --> 01:39:00.319
but the super giants, like what appears to be a
1704
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:04.760
typo in Enoch is actually not a typo Oh, that
1705
01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:09.600
that they were that big or something to that regard,
1706
01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:14.840
so it's already tenuous to start with, and then that
1707
01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:17.760
they all piled up in the Himalayasm as opposed to
1708
01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:23.159
like but the way that I I was like, Okay,
1709
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.960
this looks like flesh, so let's just believe our eyes.
1710
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:29.600
And I think that one thing I didn't give proper
1711
01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:31.720
credence to that I think even came up on the
1712
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:34.399
show a little bit because because that show I was
1713
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:40.279
where I was also talking about things that look like
1714
01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:43.560
giant tree stumps, Oh yeah, yeah, and things like this.
1715
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:48.920
Of like, my general premise was like you see something,
1716
01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:50.920
you know what it is, and then you talk yourself
1717
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:53.239
out of it. And I think that there's there's something
1718
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:57.439
reasonable about that, that there are times when you know
1719
01:39:57.479 --> 01:39:59.119
what's true and then you talk yourself out of it,
1720
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:02.520
but that it is also true that so much of
1721
01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:06.039
nature rhymes, that that God created so many things in
1722
01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:09.279
nature that look like each other, that that that layers
1723
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:12.600
of sediment looks for layers of trees, and and like
1724
01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:16.359
this this is so well attested across and I knew that,
1725
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.680
and I didn't let it properly be the case that
1726
01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:25.000
like m it is so normal in nature that something
1727
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.680
like Himalayan pink salt could look like flesh. So you're
1728
01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:32.199
telling me that I spent that much money on investing
1729
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:34.600
in being able to eat giant remains, and I've just
1730
01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:39.279
been raising my blood pressure for nothing. But the subscribe
1731
01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:45.840
where I think I went even wronger was I tried
1732
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:48.720
to go this chemistry route. But basically, I think that
1733
01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:50.960
what happened so many times with the conspiracy theorists is
1734
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:54.600
we'll kind of pretend that we did a scientific check
1735
01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.920
on something, but we don't do a proper scientific check,
1736
01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:00.199
and we just yeah, we just go just an off
1737
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:02.399
into something to grab a little piece of tippet of
1738
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:06.079
information to make it compelling, to make it feel compelling.
1739
01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:09.039
And I did that. So what I did was I
1740
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:12.680
asked the question, if this was the petrified remains of giants,
1741
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:16.439
what would we expect to see? And I talked to
1742
01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.159
a chemist friend of mine, and she said, well, you'd
1743
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.920
expect to see more iron because of the blood. You'd
1744
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:24.560
expect to see some of the things you see in
1745
01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:26.840
the human body. And then I found that a lot
1746
01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:29.439
of those things are higher, but not all of them.
1747
01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:33.199
It wasn't It was like it was just enough to
1748
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.720
be like and I could spring like, look, it's iron rich.
1749
01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:40.399
Therefore it's as opposed to like actually doing the due
1750
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.640
diligence of like this is how much would need to
1751
01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:48.239
be here to be and is every single element that
1752
01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:51.000
would need to be there there? And I think I
1753
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:52.680
knew it at the time that it wasn't there, but
1754
01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:54.439
it was just too much fun to be like look,
1755
01:41:55.520 --> 01:42:01.279
And it's those types of things that that I caught
1756
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:04.800
myself doing at the very end. I say at the
1757
01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:06.319
very end it was a couple of years ago, but
1758
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.800
at the very end of me like really being really
1759
01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:12.119
giving you conspiracy theories, really giving you one hinge stuff,
1760
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:14.760
and it scared me. It was like I thought this
1761
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:16.720
was good at the time, and I look back at
1762
01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:19.359
it and I'm like kind of horrified that I let
1763
01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:23.079
myself even believe it. That was a good argument. But
1764
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:26.159
it's that like very loosely stringing things together thing that
1765
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:28.800
you teach yourself that way of thinking, and the more
1766
01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:30.960
you let yourself do that way of thinking, the more
1767
01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:38.760
broken your mind becomes. And I just did this on Twitter,
1768
01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:43.159
but I'm very very careful about it where I connected
1769
01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:46.520
two things and I'm being very honest about the lack
1770
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:51.680
of connection. So a couple of days ago, I saw
1771
01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:55.359
a news report that a young man in Ogden, Utah,
1772
01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:01.680
threatened on Twitter to blow up a synagogue. Police took
1773
01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.800
got a tip about that post. They served a warrant
1774
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.039
on his house. His parents readily let them in, and
1775
01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:13.079
they found a partially constructed pipe bomb in his room,
1776
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:16.960
along with several other completely constructed pipe bombs. I think
1777
01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:18.880
it was a total of seven, including the partial one
1778
01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:22.199
could be wrong on that, and an assault rifle, which
1779
01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:25.760
a teenage boy can own an assault rifle. Great for
1780
01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:28.479
them to have pipe bombs, but the fully constructed pipe
1781
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:32.479
bombs and the act of constructing the pipe bombs. And
1782
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.479
it wasn't like his parents were like, it's a science fair,
1783
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:39.119
Like he's doing this to blow up his school. It's
1784
01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:46.159
not promise. But I saw Ogden and I thought, well,
1785
01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:49.800
isn't that a coincidence because Ogden is where Brian Suave
1786
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:53.520
and Eric Khan passed, or a church that is part
1787
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:57.800
of the ecosystem that is pushing the jew hatred stuff
1788
01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:01.880
that is part of the Joel Webin ecosystem. It's part
1789
01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:07.479
of the Stone Choir podcast ecosystem, and So while that
1790
01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:13.359
particular church I think is not the most intense purveyor,
1791
01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.960
at least publicly, I don't know what they're preaching, and
1792
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:19.119
privately in the sermons or what like, Privately the conversations
1793
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:22.279
in the church are I don't know, but it's clear
1794
01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:26.800
that that they are all friends and that at the
1795
01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:33.319
very least Suave will not condemn these things. And he
1796
01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:40.239
has accidentally shared a video with not Z imagery in it,
1797
01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.239
like literal Hitler imagery embedded in a celebration of this
1798
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:49.119
whole ecosystem, including himself. So like the person who made
1799
01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.520
it took clips of Brian Swave and clips of joeb
1800
01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:54.079
And and clips of churches, and clips of families and clips
1801
01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.960
of Hitler and clips of SS soldiers and like melded
1802
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:02.039
them all together with this you know song by It's
1803
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:09.600
called Oh it's by best Deal. Oh let's see this
1804
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:16.319
is important, so bestial song POMPEII pompe Yeah, this guy
1805
01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:20.199
put together this edit and argue, like all the clips
1806
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:22.880
are pretty quick, So you could argue that Brian Suave
1807
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:26.800
just and he did argue this that he just saw
1808
01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:31.199
a fun video edit that was like himself and families
1809
01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:34.000
being families, and that he did not see or notice
1810
01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:37.960
the the Hitler and SS clips that were embedded throughout
1811
01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:40.960
really obvious. I think that they were, but I knew
1812
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.119
that they were there before I watched it. Oh okay,
1813
01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.520
so I could, I could give it to him. But
1814
01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:50.920
after the scandal, he got up at an event and
1815
01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:51.840
performed that song.
1816
01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:57.319
Yeah, that's not the move of someone who wants to
1817
01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:59.159
distance themselves from the message.
1818
01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:00.840
And there's nothing wrong with this, right, It's it's a
1819
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:06.039
good but he's saying it. He's saying it. He's a musician. Yeah,
1820
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:07.399
he's fine. He's fine.
1821
01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:09.119
I don't think he's like the greatest ever, but I
1822
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:11.640
have like he was calibrating my brain didn't think him
1823
01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:12.359
as ye.
1824
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:15.920
Yeah, makes makes me. He has music on Spotify. Yeah,
1825
01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:18.000
I will not be I'm not gonna put down his music.
1826
01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:19.439
I don't. I don't. I don't need to put down
1827
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:22.359
his music. Yeah. No, I mean Hitler was a decent artist.
1828
01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:28.279
It is soulless. So all that to say all I
1829
01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:31.680
did there? Uh so oh sorry. I looked at the
1830
01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:36.279
in the article it said which driveway the warrant was
1831
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:39.840
served on. The drive is very tiny, so that the
1832
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:43.079
specific address wasn't listed, but like the drive is so
1833
01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:46.560
tiny that like it's negligible the amount of distance it's
1834
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:48.520
gonna like depending on what end of the drive they're
1835
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:57.079
on within walking distance. Yeah, so I two point seven
1836
01:46:57.079 --> 01:47:00.640
miles I think, is what I said. So I posted, Hey,
1837
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.760
I was curs like I ogden ranging an alarm bell
1838
01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:08.880
for me. I looked it up. The residence is two
1839
01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:12.960
point seven miles away. Is this a coincidence? Yeah? I
1840
01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:16.399
didn't make an accusation. It's a valid question. I made
1841
01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:20.720
it a question. Now it would be tempting to go
1842
01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:26.000
that proximity is proof, and then I'm going to use
1843
01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:28.199
that as a building block to build a bunch of
1844
01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.560
other coincidences on top of and I'm going to build
1845
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.520
up my case and build up my proof. And that
1846
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:35.399
would not be the like that would be conspiracy thinking.
1847
01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:37.600
That would be wrong. That would be But to just
1848
01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:39.600
put the question out there and go, I wonder what
1849
01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.239
the answer to this question is, Yeah, did he go
1850
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:44.640
to that church or not? If not, okay, so simple
1851
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:51.399
yes or no. But to think, this person who is
1852
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:54.920
clearly captured by this ideology, did they happen to go
1853
01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:57.920
to this very proximate location that is a purveyor of
1854
01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:02.279
that specific ideology is reasonable question and the answer might
1855
01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:03.960
still be no. And I think that when you ask
1856
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:07.640
a question you like, the answer needs to be open ended,
1857
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:10.359
if you're if you are just asking, if you're actually
1858
01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:13.279
just asking a question. It needs to be falsifiable. It
1859
01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:15.000
needs to not have the answer baked into it, and
1860
01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:17.239
it needs to be something where if the answer comes
1861
01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:18.800
to you, you have to be able to accept it.
1862
01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:22.359
What struck me is that Brian Squab responded to me
1863
01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:24.680
and said that I was very evil. But what he
1864
01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:28.199
didn't say was that that kid had never darkened the
1865
01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:30.800
door of his church. Now, a lack of like again,
1866
01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:35.439
because it's a lack of denial, is not proof of guilt. However,
1867
01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:39.279
an angry response with the lack of denial is a
1868
01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:41.600
little bit suspicious. Yeah, because like.
1869
01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:44.119
Turning Point did not deny a lot of the things
1870
01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.840
Kannas was saying. But it's not like they were saying.
1871
01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:48.960
Canis you're so mean? We hit you right? They weren't
1872
01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:53.520
responding responding at all. Yeah. So, but it's been interesting
1873
01:48:53.720 --> 01:48:56.199
the whole Candis situation. I'm I don't want to say
1874
01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:58.760
I'm grateful for because it's so dark and evil and
1875
01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:00.680
it's hurt a lot of people I really care about.
1876
01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:06.560
But it has I think exposed a lot to me
1877
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:10.239
and myself where I'm like, where is the line? Because
1878
01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:12.079
I'm watching her do some things that I have done,
1879
01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:15.319
and I'm like, oh, man, I have to admit that
1880
01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:16.600
I did that with nine to eleven, or I have
1881
01:49:16.640 --> 01:49:19.680
to admit that I did that over here, and I
1882
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:22.399
am recognizing it in her behavior as wrong. So I
1883
01:49:22.439 --> 01:49:24.000
have to figure out where did I do this and
1884
01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:27.600
trace my own errors back. So I'm like unraveling the
1885
01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:29.680
conspiracy theory of my own conspiracy theories.
1886
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:36.279
Side note quick question Francoise has he ever been not
1887
01:49:36.359 --> 01:49:40.439
accepted to Juilliard?
1888
01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:52.760
Aliens? I think aliens are on aliens and cryptids and
1889
01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:57.399
all this. I think, like, I still okay, I almost
1890
01:49:57.560 --> 01:49:59.760
need to separate aliens and cryptids out, even though a
1891
01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:01.279
lot of times they are like kind of like this.
1892
01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:06.439
I think obsessing about aliens is not a good idea.
1893
01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:10.840
I think that every single time it leads down a path,
1894
01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.479
and I think it's because God did not give us
1895
01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:15.680
the ability to see these creatures. God did not give
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01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.960
us the ability to apprehend these creatures and so obsessing
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about ones that we kind of catch out of the
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corner of our eye or sometimes make known to us
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and we hear a story. It's not that we're not
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allowed to think about something, right, but it so quickly
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becomes a deeply unhealthy thing.
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And like I think, I think that there's different levels
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because there can be like a passive interest of like, oh,
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this is kind of cool, like I'm passively interested in
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a lot of things, versus there's a threshold of making
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it your life. There's a like a focus of my
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life will be good if I can form a cohesive
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theory of aliens versus like, oh what do I think
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about aliens? Read a book on them, and then make
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a conclusion and then move on to the next thing.
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We got to wrap up pretty quickly here. But I
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do think that there are some things where it's one
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thing to say, hey, it's not healthy to be obsessed
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with this, and then you also have to realize that
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it seems like everybody who gets into it gets obsessed
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with it, and then you have to you have to
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answer that question for yourself as well.
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Or I although I don't know if it's fair to
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say that because you only really notice the obsessed ones
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talking about the most about it. The people who are
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into it, not obsessed, are reading a book and then
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not making a podcast about it.
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That's fair. That is fair. I'm not going to take
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shots at anyone in particular, but as I have looked
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through some of our old things, I have noticed that
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there are some people that we had interviews with that
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I liked, that I really liked at the time. There's
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one in particular. I'm not going to name her, but
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may I should name her? Should I? It? Breck? She
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came on our show, We came on her show a
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couple of times, really liked her. She has become such
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an incredibly horrible person. She's been one of the ones
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leading the charge attacking Erica Kirk over the stupidest things,
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spreading the most idiotic rumors, the most cruel things, getting
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up the anti Semitism is out the wazoo. She's one
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of the people who watching her descent really rocked me
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because I was like, I introduced her to you, Oh yeah,
1938
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you feel a responsibility for yeah, And I also really
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liked her, like and so those two things kind of
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together of like, she's not the only one. She's not
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the only person I really liked who came on the
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show where I had some connection to the show that
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I ultimately had to be like, what the fuck? Like,
1944
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what is happening new conspiracy here? Because you liked Candice
1945
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at one point? Right, just say yeah, I did.
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So if Abby likes you, you will become anti Semitic.
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Not because you're on a path. It's something about Abby's
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liking it does.
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A Tree of Life and Psychedelics is one of the
1950
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I think one of my most memorable episodes and ones
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I was the most proud of for a really long time.
1952
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And I think ultimately, as I study the Bible more
1953
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and try to be more faithful to things, some of
1954
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my my connections that I made biblically were tenuous, and
1955
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I was relying on human understanding to create a theology
1956
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that doesn't exist. And after thousands of years of very
1957
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faithful Christians reading and interpreting the Bible, for me to
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be the first person to come up with something is
1959
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probably not going to be the case. I'm not going
1960
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to have Mega Hitler as ANTICHRISTI no, I think that
1961
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that my idea that Uriel was going to betray this
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is not. It's not okay. My theory that I kind
1963
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of came to was that the angel guarding the Tree
1964
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of Life is going to portray God, that his name
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is currently Uriel, that he is going to become wormwood,
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become bitter, fall to earth, that he's going to be
1967
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the one to open the bottomless pit. This might be true.
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It could be true, Like it's a fair thing to
1969
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be like, could this happen? Right? But I think that
1970
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I I didn't even know how to express it, but
1971
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I feel sick about it now, Well, is.
1972
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It possible because you're you're kind of were framing it
1973
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as like I figured it out. I figured out what's
1974
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gonna happen. I know that I know it's going to
1975
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Like I.
1976
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Framed it as like this is a prophecy, that that
1977
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I have this prophecy. And I think that I got
1978
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like kind of obsessed with it of like to the
1979
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point where when my pastor said no, I don't think so,
1980
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or when somebody who is it wasn't my pastor it
1981
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was I was he was leading a Bible study. First,
1982
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somebody who is, yeah, who I really respect, was like, no,
1983
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I don't think this is possible. I got angry and
1984
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that wasn't. There was another conversation I have with somebody
1985
01:54:56.600 --> 01:54:58.880
who wasn't a Bible scholar, but who was also kind
1986
01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:01.439
of had a different theory about it. I was like, no,
1987
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my theory is right, and I got angry, and I
1988
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think I just became aware in my spirit that there
1989
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was something wrong with how I had approached that and
1990
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that it wasn't And it was sobering to be like, oh,
1991
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this wasn't a result of me being so close to
1992
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God and being revealed something. And I think I had
1993
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to take a step back from like do I not
1994
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have the gift of prophecy that I thought I did?
1995
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And I've said over and over to you guys that
1996
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like a prophet is determined by, you know, whether their
1997
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prophecies come true. And one of my prophecies was that
1998
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was that us and former co host we're going to
1999
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have a piece of land out here and that God
2000
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was going to provide for that. And obviously that didn't happen.
2001
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And so it's like, Okay, have my false prophecies? Have
2002
01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.199
my prophecies been false and proven me to be a
2003
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false prophet, or have my prophecies been clumsy? And I
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01:55:55.520 --> 01:56:01.039
have you know something was true about them, but I
2005
01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:04.520
I took them too far. God said this is a possibility,
2006
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I for you walk this direction, and we didn't, and
2007
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so it didn't come to fruition or like, I don't know,
2008
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And that's something I continue to wrestle with of like
2009
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do I actually have the gift of prophecy? Am I
2010
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a false prophet? Is what is true? Well?
2011
01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:19.920
And I think running it not just talking about you,
2012
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but I think it can be easy to mistake like
2013
01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:26.359
a certain strength of emotion for truth or revelation.
2014
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Yeah, and that it can be very easy to mistake
2015
01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:33.840
that hit of a conspiracy realization of like ooh, I
2016
01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:36.239
like this theory. Ooh, this theory just hit me, and ooh,
2017
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my goodness, mistake that, especially if it's in the context
2018
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of the Bible as revelation. And also.
2019
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This is also thinking about like broader stuff. I was
2020
01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:50.920
trying to think of a specific thing. There's someone I
2021
01:56:51.520 --> 01:56:55.960
knew who was really really tormented by some bad dreams
2022
01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:58.319
they had as a kid, and they saw them as
2023
01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:01.000
like prophecy for their life. And I was like, prophecy,
2024
01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.720
biblical prophecy when it comes to like foretelling of destruction,
2025
01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:07.399
for telling of a thing, there's usually a if you
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do this thing, this bad thing won't happen, or if
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you do this good thing, this good thing will happen.
2028
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And if you're just getting visions of terror or just
2029
01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:19.920
visions of like something, that's not how God communicates. So
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just in general, of like, understanding God doesn't necessarily produce
2031
01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:29.800
a new revelation outside of the Bible for people. But
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I mean there's a difference between understanding deeper something. But
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01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:35.960
I think it is a heady hit to be like,
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I am the first person in thousands of years who
2035
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now perfectly understands this and God has chosen me to
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do that versus I don't know because I'm not trying
2037
01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:49.560
to take shots at you, because I see this in
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01:57:49.840 --> 01:57:52.479
other people too. Of like, just when it comes to
2039
01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:56.119
testing the spirits being like, also, what is my motivation
2040
01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:59.159
in this being a prophecy? Is this something that glorifies me,
2041
01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:04.159
gives me secret special knowledge or like, because I feel
2042
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like prophets in the Bible are the most depressed people
2043
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and they would rather just not be proc Mostly.
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Their function is pointing to people's sin and saying God's
2045
01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:14.640
going to bring judgments. It's going to be consequence. Yeah,
2046
01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:20.000
that's the primary, the primary thing, and then a lot
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01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:23.560
of like their more hopeful revelation stuff is like a
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01:58:23.560 --> 01:58:26.640
lot rarer and kind of almost a reward for the
2049
01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:29.920
faithfulness of doing the hard work of sin exposure and
2050
01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:33.800
and everything else. So I think some of my best
2051
01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:38.439
work was exposing the post millennial quan on some of
2052
01:58:38.479 --> 01:58:41.039
the things where I really did my due diligence on
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01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:46.119
on something. The Virgin Machron investigation was top tier, top tier,
2054
01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:48.279
and it's bearing I think that it's bearing out like
2055
01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:51.039
that that I like. So I'm not use the anti
2056
01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:55.199
canvas when it comes to that kind of concluding thought here.
2057
01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.359
I think that I have done wrong. I think that
2058
01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:02.720
I have led you wrong. I think that I have
2059
01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:05.760
exposed you to people that went wrong, and I don't
2060
01:59:05.800 --> 01:59:09.880
think I necessarily had any reason to believe like it
2061
01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:12.960
is necessarily my fault. But I'm so sorry about it,
2062
01:59:14.800 --> 01:59:17.319
and I think that I've done some really good work,
2063
01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:22.560
and I think that I've learned a lot about communication
2064
01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:26.680
and research, and I don't think it's a wash. I don't,
2065
01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:27.000
I don't.
2066
01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:31.880
I don't regret these years of my life because you
2067
01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:33.640
can now be more of a voice of reason.
2068
01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:35.640
And yeah, I do. I do think that there's like
2069
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:38.039
the I think the our interview with Will Spencer was
2070
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:40.520
very cool. Yes, you said that, you know, it's hard
2071
01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:42.720
to find sources that present the stale man without the
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01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:45.199
bad attitude. I mean, you could be the person the
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01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:49.039
changes in the world continue. I really appreciate our interview
2074
01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:52.680
with with Will Spencer this season. I say how it
2075
01:59:52.720 --> 01:59:57.319
was me and John because his story is kind of
2076
01:59:57.720 --> 02:00:01.279
like mine, that he went down into a place and
2077
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:02.800
he came back up out of it. And I think
2078
02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:04.760
his story is really powerful because he went down into
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02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:08.079
that place and how he justified it. And I think
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02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:10.560
that that I hope at some point that I can
2081
02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:15.359
with more clarity than I have now kind of talked
2082
02:00:15.399 --> 02:00:18.399
to that like I went down into conspiracy theories and
2083
02:00:18.439 --> 02:00:20.079
I saw the danger of it, and I saw the
2084
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:24.079
darkness of it, but I also saw, like, you know,
2085
02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.960
here's where things were true, here's where we did uncover something.
2086
02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:31.960
I think that there is a healthy distrust that sometimes
2087
02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:35.760
people don't have, and so there's that balance between recognizing
2088
02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:37.039
that there's evil in the world and so that we
2089
02:00:37.039 --> 02:00:41.279
should have some distrust, but also having having faith that
2090
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.239
that light is stronger than darkness, that truth is stronger
2091
02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:46.920
than lies, and that the truth will out, and that
2092
02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:50.680
if you are living in this fearful everyone's lying to me.
2093
02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:53.640
I'm the only one who can uncover the truth, and
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02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:55.680
I have to uncover the truth to make the world better.
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02:00:56.239 --> 02:01:00.680
That's not Christianity. It's mass and mass grades Christianity a
2096
02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:04.359
masquerades as a healthy spirituality to be pursuing the truth
2097
02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:06.239
and to be part of the good in the world.
2098
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That's pushing back against the darkness. But a lot of
2099
02:01:08.199 --> 02:01:11.119
times you're just getting obsessed with the darkness and taking
2100
02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:12.920
a weight on yourself that is not yours to carry
2101
02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:15.319
when you should be giving it to God because this
2102
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:19.319
is all God's stuff. So any final thoughts from you, Liz,
2103
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completely unrelated. Abby knit me the sweater for Christmas, and
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02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:25.920
it's really cool because it's got this all over it. Yeah,
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she did a very good job on it, and it's
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very comfy. And it's acrylic, right, It's like a nice
2107
02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:32.560
acrylic where it like it yea solid of clic It
2108
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holds the heat well without overheating, but without getting you cold.
2109
02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:38.960
I think acrylic is underrated eating and I think not
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everyone wants wool, and it depends on the kind of
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a crilic you're using, because I've met some really bad acrylics,
2112
02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:45.279
but this is a nice one. Is that a hobby?
2113
02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:50.279
A loppy one? Oh? Okay, yeah, that was my tentence
2114
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for the dustin fritization. I'm glad you like it. Those
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02:01:53.720 --> 02:01:55.279
sweaters are hard work because I'm like, I'm like, I
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02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:57.359
really hope person, I'm going to a little like I
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02:01:57.720 --> 02:01:59.039
was like, this probably took a while to make, like
2118
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more than two minutes a lead. So I'm with like
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putting it down and said it. I think it took
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like a year. You like started it last year. Yeah,
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I think I'm pretty sure I knit the back when
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02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:11.920
I was still pregnant with Esau. Oh wow, So that's
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02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:14.680
like a generationship almost. Yeah, it is a generationship of
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02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:21.000
and I would have finished it. I think I've finished
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it before I gave birth to the guineaon or very
2126
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soon afterward. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Sorry. Sorry.
2127
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Boots also has this obsession with eating a colic yard
2128
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like set it down and I turned around.
2129
02:02:31.399 --> 02:02:33.279
It was just like, but he didn't eat it, but
2130
02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:36.680
he was trying. How this cat is problem? But anyway,
2131
02:02:38.000 --> 02:02:43.800
so anyway, I I will try to answer your messages
2132
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about this. I understand that a lot of you may
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want to interact with this on a personal level. I'll
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try to be available for that. I will not. I
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hope you're not. I don't think any of this is
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like shocking to you. I don't. I hope no one's
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hearing this and going like, how could I be trade
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me like this? Because I think you've you've watched the
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progression of my my thoughts. But this is goodbye for now.
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I don't You're definitely not gonna see us for a
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few months and then after that. I just don't know
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how often you'll see us in this format. But of course,
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discord discord Twitter, Twitter is the only thing I can
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really commit to, like full speed ahead on for now.
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I imagine if we do come back, it'll be mostly
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stuff written by me, unless you have something in mind.
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We'll see, because yeah, we'll see. Because I've definitely, for
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a period of time been like I can't touch anything
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because I need my mind to heal. But I think
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there may be a point where my where I'm like,
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I really want to look into this and and I'm
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ready and I'm and I like pound it out really quick,
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so I don't know, but yes, love you all. Thank
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you for being with us through such a journey. Than you.
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I hope that ultimately, even if I've led you wrong,
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I've also led you right. And also, what are you
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doing following us blindly? Yeah? It do that. I really
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really really loved ball. I can't, I really do. I've
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it's been sad not being live with you very often.
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I hope that the next thing that we do will
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be will be something live. It just kind of reconvene.
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All right, have a good night, you guys. I first
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thirty Despis