Decoding UFOs: ATOMIC INTENTIONS? (Ft. Larry Hancock) Total Disclosure Podcast 的完整文字稿

--> 00:03:50.969 of a vetted data set. My guest tonight is researcher, author, 36 00:03:51.449 --> 00:03:57.310 and military veteran Larry Hancock. With a background spanning history, anthropology, 37 00:03:57.629 --> 00:04:02.719 and electronic communications in the U.S. Air Force, alongside over 38 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.699 30 books and publications on national security, Cold War history, 39 00:04:07.099 --> 00:04:11.599 Larry serves as a board member for the Scientific Coalition 40 00:04:11.620 --> 00:04:17.019 for UFO and UAP Studies, SCU, and leads their intention 41 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:21.319 studies team. And in this monumental new work, UFO Intentions, 42 00:04:21.379 --> 00:04:25.810 Decoding the Patterns, Larry and his co-authors undertake a multi-year 43 00:04:26.170 --> 00:04:31.610 strategic intelligence study that veteran national security analyst Christopher Mellon 44 00:04:31.990 --> 00:04:37.509 notes surpasses the depth of analysis done by the government itself. So, 45 00:04:38.149 --> 00:04:42.560 Let's get into it. I want to welcome tonight's guest, Mr. 46 00:04:43.100 --> 00:04:44.839 Larry Hancock. 47 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:47.680 Great to be here. 48 00:04:48.420 --> 00:04:52.800 Thank you. Thank you, Larry. Super, super excited to have 49 00:04:52.819 --> 00:04:56.279 a conversation with you. You're one of those guys that, 50 00:04:57.060 --> 00:05:02.230 you know, I think you're much more of an analytical mind. 51 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:07.230 And it's really nice. Obviously, everyone loves a story, right? 52 00:05:07.870 --> 00:05:12.810 Everyone loves a story. But the UFO community and the landscape, 53 00:05:13.410 --> 00:05:18.759 the technology, the science behind it, that can't just be storytelling. 54 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:25.339 There needs to be rigorous scientific, you know, rigorous scientific endeavors, 55 00:05:25.819 --> 00:05:29.120 you know, attached to it. So I really enjoy what 56 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:30.639 you bring to the table. 57 00:05:32.449 --> 00:05:35.569 Yes, as you say, I first became involved in this 58 00:05:35.649 --> 00:05:37.550 in 1964. 59 00:05:37.550 --> 00:05:38.009 Wow. 60 00:05:38.089 --> 00:05:43.509 Decades ago, the bookcase behind me has dozens and dozens 61 00:05:43.550 --> 00:05:47.089 of books, which essentially are storybooks, like you're saying. They're 62 00:05:47.110 --> 00:05:51.569 very entertaining, individual story, one case after another case, one 63 00:05:51.610 --> 00:05:55.009 more sensational than another. And when you get through the 64 00:05:55.430 --> 00:05:58.100 end of all of them, it's a lot of cases. 65 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.439 And the team that I'm on, the intention study team 66 00:06:01.500 --> 00:06:03.800 and I are referred to it as like the forest 67 00:06:03.860 --> 00:06:07.579 and tree problem. You keep looking at the trees. What 68 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:12.000 about the forest? What about the overall behavior? I won't 69 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:16.910 even call it the phenomena. Our assessment is just in 1947, 70 00:06:16.910 --> 00:06:22.050 the Air Force assessed the UFOs as real objects, real 71 00:06:22.129 --> 00:06:25.310 enough so that they could write a profile up to 72 00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:28.689 distribute to the field officers. Here's what you look for. 73 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.879 Here are the characteristics. And it was more a matter 74 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.860 of they were worried about where they were from and 75 00:06:33.899 --> 00:06:39.079 their intentions. It wasn't a question of reality. Yet decades later, 76 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:43.300 we're back to there being phenomena. It's like, wait a minute, 77 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.980 they were real in 47, now they're phenomena? Have we 78 00:06:47.019 --> 00:06:47.879 stepped backwards? 79 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:56.230 Right, right, right. And a lot of people, I would say, 80 00:06:56.699 --> 00:07:04.810 right now especially, are kind of fed up with unsubstantiated 81 00:07:05.410 --> 00:07:09.430 stories whether it's coming from, you know, a high level 82 00:07:09.509 --> 00:07:13.050 government official like David Grush on a huge platform like 83 00:07:13.110 --> 00:07:18.069 Joe Rogan or even Jay Stratton, you know, who who 84 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:23.060 led one of the UFO programs in the government science. 85 00:07:23.220 --> 00:07:27.920 I mean, stories without proof. They can only take the 86 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.699 ball so far. Right. And I think people have had 87 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.149 their fill of storytelling and and really want the next 88 00:07:36.269 --> 00:07:38.670 phase of whatever disclosure means. 89 00:07:40.569 --> 00:07:43.379 In general, my impression is after a certain point in time, 90 00:07:43.420 --> 00:07:47.319 as you're saying, all those stories can actually make it 91 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:55.060 more mysterious. They leave you literally with more and more FUD, fear, uncertainty, doubt. 92 00:07:55.899 --> 00:07:59.160 They didn't give you anything. One of the questions I'm 93 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.199 pondering now, I'm working on an op-ed, is, well, wait 94 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:06.970 a minute, DIA. Jay was with the DIA senior position. 95 00:08:07.589 --> 00:08:10.790 The role of the defense intelligence agency is to do 96 00:08:10.949 --> 00:08:15.889 indication studies. They do threat and warning studies. They have professionals, 97 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.319 you know, that that's their job or where they never 98 00:08:19.420 --> 00:08:23.480 tasked with doing that. Did, did somebody deny the reality 99 00:08:23.540 --> 00:08:25.759 so long that they just ignore it and they never 100 00:08:25.899 --> 00:08:28.850 tasked and, and Jay just had to walk away, you know, 101 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:31.889 cause you guys never considered it seriously, but you know, 102 00:08:31.910 --> 00:08:36.419 my team, we have, four guys. We

have intelligence professionals, 103 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.269 career professionals, and data analysis and intelligence, but we've been 104 00:08:41.309 --> 00:08:43.769 working on it for seven years, you know, and that's 105 00:08:43.809 --> 00:08:45.970 four of us for seven years. That's a long time 106 00:08:46.269 --> 00:08:50.350 and a lot of data. But, you know, the country, 107 00:08:50.409 --> 00:08:54.299 the nation has assets who are professionals whose job is 108 00:08:54.340 --> 00:08:57.639 to do this. You know, did nobody ever task them 109 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.639 with a job? One of the questions that's occurring to 110 00:09:00.700 --> 00:09:03.429 me when I look at the statements that Grush and 111 00:09:03.830 --> 00:09:06.850 Stratton are giving is, you know, we should be asking 112 00:09:06.889 --> 00:09:11.460 these questions, not with a congressional oversight committee. These are 113 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.320 questions that we need to hold the secretary of defense 114 00:09:14.379 --> 00:09:19.799 responsible for the director of national intelligence. You know, we're, 115 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.840 we're totally working at the wrong level. If the situation 116 00:09:23.899 --> 00:09:27.000 is the way that they describe, we're really working at 117 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:31.120 the wrong level and somebody, somebody dropped the ball. I mean, 118 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.710 it didn't, you know, it didn't get elevated. We, we 119 00:09:34.769 --> 00:09:38.580 know it got dropped back in 1952, but come on now, 120 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.059 given the tech tax and what we have in 2014 121 00:09:42.059 --> 00:09:44.879 and onward, did nobody ever pick up the ball again? 122 00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:45.639 Come on guys. 123 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.340 Yeah. Right. Right. And I find that even more hard 124 00:09:49.379 --> 00:09:56.070 to believe, you know, considering, considering just what the phenomena 125 00:09:56.610 --> 00:09:59.860 might mean and, how much it might benefit, you know, 126 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:07.450 nation states technologically and, you know, in our, you know, 127 00:10:07.470 --> 00:10:13.490 our mundane, which it sounds so, you know, it sounds 128 00:10:13.529 --> 00:10:18.700 so primitive, but in the race of humanity, It seems 129 00:10:18.779 --> 00:10:23.919 whoever does crack the code on this technology would essentially, 130 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:29.389 you know, it's checkmate at that point, right? That this 131 00:10:29.429 --> 00:10:33.230 technology is so, at least that's what we're led to believe, right? 132 00:10:33.529 --> 00:10:39.309 That this technology is so far advanced that whoever, you know, 133 00:10:39.330 --> 00:10:44.830 it breaks or cracks the code will essentially, you know, 134 00:10:44.990 --> 00:10:50.940 run the planet. Forever, for foreseeable future. And I don't 135 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.409 know whether that's a scary notion, because I don't know

136 00:10:54.429 --> 00:11:01.269 if any one entity in the current landscape, I don't 137 00:11:01.289 --> 00:11:04.669 think I trust anyone with this kind of technology. 138 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.340 You see, I don't think it is so much scary 139 00:11:09.460 --> 00:11:12.860 as more or less depressing, because what we see in 140 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.809 our study in the very beginning, when these UFOs showed 141 00:11:16.909 --> 00:11:20.190 up in the late 40s through the 50s. They were 142 00:11:20.230 --> 00:11:24.350 very visible. I mean, you had formations flying over major cities. 143 00:11:25.110 --> 00:11:30.450 We constantly tracked them with radar. We sent interceptors after them. 144 00:11:30.889 --> 00:11:34.269 They showed that they were kind of oblivious to the interceptors. 145 00:11:34.330 --> 00:11:37.850 They would engage with them. I've got dozens of pilots 146 00:11:37.970 --> 00:11:41.990 on record saying, this thing totally outmaneuvered me, established a 147 00:11:42.009 --> 00:11:45.169 firing solution, and then kind of went away. Like they're just... 148 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.360 It's a type of messaging. We're here. We have capabilities 149 00:11:50.379 --> 00:11:55.279 that are outstanding. You can't bother us. Now, it's actually 150 00:11:55.330 --> 00:12:00.169 the first step in any known contact protocol. But did 151 00:12:00.190 --> 00:12:04.049 we respond to that? It's almost like they made themselves 152 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:07.809 very visible. They made their intelligence very visible, and we 153 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:12.669 didn't respond. So I find that is our problem, not 154 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:13.509 their problem. 155 00:12:14.529 --> 00:12:20.019 Right. That's actually very, very, um, I hadn't kind of, 156 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.399 I hadn't thought about it. Well, in that, that way specifically, 157 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:29.570 but yeah, I mean, they're demonstrating from a very, you know, from, 158 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.649 from early on, from the get-go that, Hey, listen, um, 159 00:12:33.970 --> 00:12:37.370 that might be your best, like that, you know, you're 160 00:12:37.409 --> 00:12:40.370 coming after me with your best, but like, just know 161 00:12:40.409 --> 00:12:46.690 that at any, any moment, you know, we could, you know, 162 00:12:47.429 --> 00:12:50.409 destroy you. But that's, you know, that's not what we're 163 00:12:50.429 --> 00:12:53.940 here to do. But don't think that you can, you know, 164 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:57.860 don't think that you're a match. And I think, you know, 165 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:03.500 it's been very apparent at our nuclear sites that, you know, 166 00:13:03.850 --> 00:13:09.169 they've demonstrated, you know, far more restraint than humanity has. 167 00:13:11.129 --> 00:13:16.480 But they've also showed us that, you know, guys that 168 00:13:16.539 --> 00:13:20.580 you might think these are the most, you know, you know, 169 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:25.399 advanced weapons you could possibly have, but at any moment 170 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.230 they could be, you know, rendered useless. So good. 171 00:13:35.809 --> 00:13:39.529 Restraint. And I think patience is, it's kind of amazing 172 00:13:39.549 --> 00:13:43.080 to me. Some of the, Actually, we're not getting much 173 00:13:43.220 --> 00:13:46.559 usable data from the presidential releases. They're coming out. The 174 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:49.460 pursue release is coming out. But one of the things 175 00:13:49.500 --> 00:13:53.019 that amazes me, there's an incident from, I think, about 176 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:57.269 two years ago. And the report just says Western United States, 177 00:13:57.470 --> 00:14:00.789 which to me is an indications analyst is meaningless. Like 178 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:04.389 you need to give me a little more detail about. OK, 179 00:14:05.350 --> 00:14:08.409 but it looks like it's probably white sands over seven 180 00:14:08.460 --> 00:14:11.480 hours in response to a test that we were doing. 181 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:19.389 the test radar started tracking UFO. They dispatched a helicopter, 182 00:14:19.929 --> 00:14:22.350 and over that period of seven hours, they had multiple 183 00:14:22.389 --> 00:14:25.789 radar contacts. It started off in the evening, went until 184 00:14:25.870 --> 00:14:30.840 after midnight. Then later on, they dispatched jets. So over 185 00:14:30.889 --> 00:14:34.039 seven hours, we're tracking the object. It's just kind of 186 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:38.059 hanging out over the area. By late night, it's looking 187 00:14:38.139 --> 00:14:40.799 like an orb, but it's reflecting radar, so it's a 188 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.700 physical object. And by the end of all of this, 189 00:14:45.460 --> 00:14:49.940 this orb sends out six or seven different little orbs, 190 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.500 and they form a row. Now, a lot of people 191 00:14:54.570 --> 00:14:58.529 are kind of interested in what's the propulsion of these things, obviously, 192 00:14:58.590 --> 00:15:01.710 what's their capability. But what it really did at that 193 00:15:01.769 --> 00:15:03.669 point in time, what they did at that point in time, 194 00:15:03.710 --> 00:15:07.820 is this row of orbs starts turning off their lights 195 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:11.110 one at a time in sequence. And when it reaches 196 00:15:11.169 --> 00:15:13.809 the end of the row, they start turning on their 197 00:15:13.909 --> 00:15:20.220 lights again in sequence. And my immediate reaction is, okay, we, 198 00:15:20.299 --> 00:15:24.220 the non-human intelligence to watch close encounters of the third kind, 199 00:15:24.740 --> 00:15:28.350 we probably forgot that. So we didn't respond at all. 200 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:34.570 So it's over decades, they have shown their capabilities, they've 201 00:15:34.590 --> 00:15:39.350 shown their technologies. And they show a great deal of 202

00:15:39.450 --> 00:15:42.070 patience in the fact that we never respond to them 203 00:15:42.269 --> 00:15:45.470 in any different manner. You know, we still, if they 204 00:15:45.490 --> 00:15:49.049 show up, we track them for radar or we send 205 00:15:49.110 --> 00:15:51.830 a nuclear sub out and they respond to it. But 206 00:15:52.149 --> 00:15:57.850 it's always, we essentially are the offensive ones. They respond, 207 00:15:57.909 --> 00:16:02.250 they're there. And in no known cases, certainly there are 208 00:16:02.269 --> 00:16:06.759 a number of known cases where individual humans and actually 209 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:10.649 aircraft fired on them, whether they had orders to or not. 210 00:16:12.049 --> 00:16:16.730 So you really have to raise the question that tells 211 00:16:16.809 --> 00:16:21.230 me that they're still, they're hanging around, they're being patient, 212 00:16:21.590 --> 00:16:24.769 they're signaling us. Over the years, they have done a 213 00:16:24.870 --> 00:16:28.879 number of different things that would suggest messaging and signaling, 214 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:32.840 and we've been totally unresponsive. And one of the things 215 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.120 that we found in our studies is actually the pattern 216 00:16:36.139 --> 00:16:41.049 of their behavior changed over time. For the first couple 217 00:16:41.070 --> 00:16:45.350 of decades, it clearly was focused on the atomic warfare complex. 218 00:16:46.450 --> 00:16:49.049 And so do you think, can I ask you, I 219 00:16:49.090 --> 00:16:51.289 just kind of want to stop you there because now, 220 00:16:51.929 --> 00:16:56.830 because I do want to, I want to gauge you 221 00:16:56.909 --> 00:17:04.630 on something. Do you think that it began with the atomic, 222 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:10.309 like when the atom was split, when mankind rang that 223 00:17:10.390 --> 00:17:16.079 bell for the first time at Trinity, right? Was that, 224 00:17:16.420 --> 00:17:18.740 do you think what brought them here or had they 225 00:17:18.779 --> 00:17:22.079 been here before? And this is what just, there was 226 00:17:22.099 --> 00:17:26.240 just a massive uptick because we had reached a certain 227 00:17:26.329 --> 00:17:29.990 level that demonstrated that we needed more of a, maybe 228 00:17:30.089 --> 00:17:31.470 a more hands-on approach. 229 00:17:32.529 --> 00:17:35.539 Yeah. That's a really interesting question. One of our team 230 00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:40.079 members is actually into astronomy and does exoplanet research and 231 00:17:40.099 --> 00:17:43.900 that sort of thing. And we know now that you can, 232 00:17:45.049 --> 00:17:48.309 we're almost to the point of having the capability to 233 00:17:48.869 --> 00:17:53.349 detect atmospheric signatures within a couple of hundred light years. 234 00:17:54.190 --> 00:17:58.539 So we can say without certainly, if another planet has 235 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:04.160 biosignatures that show life, If it has technology signatures that 236 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.089 show that it's reached the industrial age because the contaminants 237 00:18:08.170 --> 00:18:10.650 are going to show up in the atmosphere, we can 238 00:18:11.109 --> 00:18:15.009 see when they get electricity deployed on a large scale. 239 00:18:15.529 --> 00:18:18.710 You can apprise what's going on at a considerable distance 240 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:22.029 in terms of light years. So our best guess is 241 00:18:22.089 --> 00:18:25.910 that these UFOs, not to say nobody's been here before, 242 00:18:25.970 --> 00:18:29.509 but these showed up right in the middle of World 243 00:18:29.549 --> 00:18:33.519 War II. while combat was going on, while we were 244 00:18:33.579 --> 00:18:37.220 still developing atomics before we had dropped a bomb, they 245 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:41.640 actually show up at the material centers before we ever 246 00:18:41.859 --> 00:18:45.519 even tested an atomic weapon. So what it appears is 247 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.869 they showed up, they had a good clue on the 248 00:18:48.910 --> 00:18:52.109 fact that we, you know, we had reached a certain 249 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:56.309 level of, you know, technological progress. They showed up, they 250 00:18:56.349 --> 00:18:57.849 found us in the middle of a world war and just, 251 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:02.269 About the same time we got here, we set off 252 00:19:02.329 --> 00:19:06.250 an atomic explosion. So you can imagine that you'd be 253 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:09.730 really curious, like, okay, what is this civilization going to 254 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:13.410 do with atomics? Clearly, they understand quantum theory. They can 255 00:19:13.450 --> 00:19:15.359 do atomics. What are they going to do with it? 256 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.400 Are they going to take it in a peaceful direction? 257 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.799 Are they going to build more bombs? Are they going 258 00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:24.319 to use more bombs? And, of course, over the next 259 00:19:24.380 --> 00:19:27.299 couple of decades, they found us building 40,000 atomic weapons. 260 00:19:29.289 --> 00:19:31.970 You know, which obviously would raise some questions. 261 00:19:32.809 --> 00:19:35.869 Yeah, it's like it's so much it's so overkill that 262 00:19:35.890 --> 00:19:40.650 it's not even funny. Right. Like it's not it's I 263 00:19:40.670 --> 00:19:43.089 watched one of those charts. It was like, you know, 264 00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:45.630 like it's like a YouTube video where, you know, it 265 00:19:45.670 --> 00:19:49.089 will show you a linear timeline and how many nukes 266 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:53.630 were killed. it's scary. At one point during the Cold War, 267 00:19:54.049 --> 00:20:01.109 I mean, there's enough nuclear weaponry to destroy the earth 268 00:20:01.210 --> 00:20:03.049 like 20 times over. 269 00:20:04.049 --> 00:20:08.250 Each side had 20,000 nuclear weapons. What am I, strategic 270 00:20:08.269

--> 00:20:10.960 nuclear weapons now? And I remember back being kind of 271 00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:16.349 a military historian when Eisenhower first asked the people on 272 00:20:16.369 --> 00:20:18.990 the Manhattan Project, you know, it's like, well, how many 273 00:20:19.029 --> 00:20:21.190 bombs can we build? And he asked the Joint Chiefs, 274 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.869 how many can we need to destroy Russia? Because he 275 00:20:23.890 --> 00:20:26.329 did ask that. It's like, well, how many of these 276 00:20:26.390 --> 00:20:29.809 will we really need to, you know, destroy Russia? And 277 00:20:29.829 --> 00:20:33.569 the response was, well, we probably should have a dozen. OK, 278 00:20:34.029 --> 00:20:39.740 and that's, you know, that's in 19. 50, 51, and 279 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:48.160 then eight years later, we've got 8,000. They're like, how. 280 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:53.680 About a quintillion dozen of them? Of course, just making 281 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:57.220 a number up for fun, but it's like, yeah, and 282 00:20:57.259 --> 00:21:02.200 that's military. That's the military for you. It never ceases 283 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.480 to amaze me just how. 284 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:17.829 I don't know. Knowing that we had the power, and 285 00:21:17.869 --> 00:21:25.650 we still do, at any moment, we could end civilization 286 00:21:25.950 --> 00:21:30.390 as we know it here on Earth, which we don't 287 00:21:30.430 --> 00:21:34.640 even know what the ramifications would be throughout the universe 288 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:39.750 and throughout the multiverse and through space-time. what happens if you, 289 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:45.109 you know, nuke yourself as a civilization? You know, we don't, 290 00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:48.970 we just kind of like gauge it as, oh, well, 291 00:21:49.019 --> 00:21:53.240 we destroy ourselves, but who knows if we're doing damage, 292 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.859 you know, in a parallel universe more so than we 293 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.339 are here when we test one of these weapons, let 294 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:02.339 alone set it off. 295 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.529 Well, the other fact is, over the last 10 years 296 00:22:06.609 --> 00:22:09.890 or so, we have come to know a lot about 297 00:22:10.549 --> 00:22:14.390 near-Earth space, out to 100 light years, maybe 200 light years. 298 00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:17.470 And one of the things that's emerged is we've got 299 00:22:17.490 --> 00:22:21.319 a really choice piece of real estate here. There aren't 300 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:24.859 that many biospheres that are habitable within that space. There 301 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:27.779 are some, but there are just all sorts of issues 302 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.319 that we didn't even realize before. The amount of radiation 303 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:35.079 from your star, how stable your star is. And we're 304 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:39.410 actually in kind of a stable area within a particular 305 00:22:40.109 --> 00:22:43.769 rift of our galaxy you you would there there's less 306 00:22:43.809 --> 00:22:48.460 going on there's less uh supernovas there there's just less 307 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.980 activity so we actually did a second book which will 308 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:55.839 be coming out in february which is ufo origins which 309 00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:59.299 takes our extensions and intention study and says all right 310 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:01.859 what we know of their behavior with what we know 311 00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:05.279 of their behavior what could we at least evaluate as 312 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:10.309 far as their particular origins? Across scenarios, you know, is 313 00:23:10.369 --> 00:23:16.210 it just space? Is it interplanetary, interstellar, intergalactic, space-time warps, dimensional, 314 00:23:16.230 --> 00:23:19.369 you know, all of those options. But your question is 315 00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:24.349 really good because the biosphere that we take so much 316 00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:29.160 for granted, maybe you can understand why somebody would want to, well, no, 317 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.339 we just can't let them destroy it. 318 00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:35.440 Yeah. Like, you know, I think a lot of people 319 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:40.039 are like, you know, they they jump to the conclusion that, 320 00:23:40.819 --> 00:23:44.829 you know, there's this prime directive for the NHI. And, 321 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:51.829 you know, they they're so concerned with humanity. And it's like, well, 322 00:23:52.230 --> 00:23:55.369 you know, as much as I think that that, you know, 323 00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:01.059 they definitely have an interest. I think they're more. They're 324 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:06.680 more protective of the actual earth itself because it is clearly, 325 00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:13.069 it's very, very clear from anyone who does any astronomy 326 00:24:13.509 --> 00:24:19.589 that what we are living on is not common. In fact, 327 00:24:20.849 --> 00:24:25.750 you could argue that we live on paradise, that paradise 328 00:24:25.789 --> 00:24:28.910 has been bestowed to us, but yet we're so busy 329 00:24:28.930 --> 00:24:34.400 and we're so focused on fighting each other over skin 330 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.009 color and, you know, insert thing here that we're not 331 00:24:38.089 --> 00:24:43.910 realizing that, you know, we're lucky. We're very, very lucky 332 00:24:44.289 --> 00:24:47.170 to live on a planet that is so diverse in 333 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:52.509 its landscapes and its peaks and valleys and, you know, 334 00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:56.730 all of it. And I think people really need to 335 00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:01.240 remember why we fight, you know, why, why we, why 336 00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:04.759 we want disclosure, right? It's because when you stand at 337 00:25:04.779 --> 00:25:09.740 the top of the mountain and you look up, right? 338

00:25:10.210 --> 00:25:12.930 Disclosure is like what it means to you to not 339 00:25:12.990 --> 00:25:17.450 be alone in the cosmos. It's not about, you know, how, 340 00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:21.619 of course, you get there eventually. How did they get here? 341 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.519 Who are they? But knowing we're not alone, you know, 342 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:31.660 that is something that that you have to tackle in here. And, 343 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.180 you know, when you're alone at the top of the 344 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:37.900 mountain staring up, you know, that's a profound feeling to 345 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:42.150 know that someone actually is watching back. And it changes 346 00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:43.009 the dynamic. 347 00:25:43.670 --> 00:25:45.569 All of the astronauts describe that. 348 00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:46.470 Yeah. 349 00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:50.109 All of the astronauts describe that. And we've kind of 350 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:52.769 anticipated that. I have a science fiction book on the 351 00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:56.329 shelf up here that talks about before the first Russian 352 00:25:56.430 --> 00:25:59.349 went into orbit, but the first cosmonaut going into orbit, 353 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:03.390 looking back on earth and realizing getting back on earth. 354 00:26:03.450 --> 00:26:07.039 And immediately they start talking to him about space weaponry 355 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.619 and the high ground and everything. And in his mind, 356 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.160 he's going, no, I think I realize who the real 357 00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:18.599 enemy is. You know, it's the commissar. It's not, but 358 00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:22.390 the oceans, the oceans are another big factor. It's, we 359 00:26:22.430 --> 00:26:26.130 may have something almost unique in the quantity of oceans 360 00:26:26.380 --> 00:26:30.319 that we've got, the extent to which they moderate the 361 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:35.579 weather system. Right. We just now understand that, appreciating the 362 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:40.509 full context of the Gulf Stream or El Nino. We've 363 00:26:40.549 --> 00:26:42.049 just been taking a lot for granted. 364 00:26:42.069 --> 00:26:48.569 I agree. I couldn't agree more, actually. Before we get 365 00:26:48.609 --> 00:26:51.180 into some of the heavy stuff, you know, just to 366 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.920 kind of like, you know, continue the breaking the ice, uh, 367 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.579 you know, uh, certain Congress members of, you know, even 368 00:26:57.619 --> 00:27:00.880 friends of mine, uh, you know, I, I, I'm friendly 369 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:06.440 with some of the members like Tim Burchett, uh, Tim Burchett, um, uh, 370 00:27:06.769 --> 00:27:11.150 Eric Burleson and the likes of those guys. Um, you know, 371 00:27:11.390 --> 00:27:15.529 they've made reference to, uh, uh, some of these crafts 372 00:27:15.609 --> 00:27:20.380 potentially originating in our oceans. Um, Have you guys looked 373 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.779 at that possibility? Yeah. 374 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.059 Actually, one of the things we did, we did two 375 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.529 things I think are really important. We studied intentions. We 376 00:27:30.569 --> 00:27:36.670 looked at six different scenarios of intentions, starting out from surveys, 377 00:27:37.250 --> 00:27:42.539 going through assistance, going through exploitation. We came up with 378 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.380 like 37 different indicators that you could apply to these. Anyway, 379 00:27:46.750 --> 00:27:48.970 we looked at scenarios, but the other thing we did 380 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:52.609 was look at something we call presence. In other words, 381 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:55.950 we have enough data to show we can estimate how 382 00:27:56.009 --> 00:28:00.170 many reports occurred at a given time, given place. We 383 00:28:00.190 --> 00:28:03.049 can actually come back and look at their operational cadence 384 00:28:03.609 --> 00:28:07.390 and make an estimate of presence. And our assessment is 385 00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:11.599 their presence is limited. They're not here in great numbers. 386 00:28:11.730 --> 00:28:17.349 They have limited resources. They appear to be somewhat risk adverse, 387 00:28:17.470 --> 00:28:22.019 even with their technology. And because of that, we posit 388 00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:26.200 in the book that they would have local basing. Their 389 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.319 presence and everything we can see about their command and 390 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:35.019 control structure, their response times to mission changes, is that 391 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.140 they would have bases and that they would most likely 392 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.319 be underwater. So yes, I would I would not be 393 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.059 at all surprised by an underwater base, much more so 394 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.720 than something on land or in the Antarctic or something 395 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:50.160 like that. I think it's underwater. And probably only two 396 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.170 or three. Again, not a huge presence. 397 00:28:53.109 --> 00:29:01.109 Right. And I think that is, you know, I'm kind of, 398 00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:06.859 I'm on the same lines as you on that, you know, 399 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.869 in hindsight. I think that there would have to be 400 00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:16.380 some sort of, uh, you know, even if you, you know, 401 00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:19.839 even if the right word, you know, we're using base 402 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:23.900 because that's, you know, that's in our lexicon, who knows what, 403 00:29:24.380 --> 00:29:28.299 you know, it is to them, but a place where, where, where, 404 00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:33.369 you know, they, they can habitate while visiting the planet, 405 00:29:35.029 --> 00:29:40.900 and do whatever they're doing. So I really want to know,

406 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.799 because obviously, you know, you're a veteran. Thank you for 407 00:29:43.819 --> 00:29:49.500 your service. You know, really, really appreciate anyone and everyone 408 00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:57.029 that does time in the military. What got you, you know, 409 00:29:57.529 --> 00:30:00.569 what got you into the topic of Was it was 410 00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:04.069 it a sighting? Was it, you know, just the amount 411 00:30:04.109 --> 00:30:06.930 of stories? What what what pulled that lever for you? 412 00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:10.380 What really did it for me is going back all 413 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:14.059 the way to 1964. There was a lot of activity 414 00:30:14.140 --> 00:30:17.380 in 1964 in the midnights. You couldn't. It was in 415 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.359 newspaper headlines. It was in Life magazine. It was in 416 00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.579 the standard media much more so than it is today 417 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:26.299 or certainly over the last few decades. So you couldn't 418 00:30:26.339 --> 00:30:28.740 avoid it. And here in Oklahoma, we did have a 419 00:30:28.849 --> 00:30:33.349 wave of sightings that summer. And, you know, I can 420 00:30:34.329 --> 00:30:37.789 recall listening. I'm a teenager, right? I'm listening to AM radio. 421 00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:40.990 So suddenly all the news announcers break in and they're 422 00:30:41.029 --> 00:30:44.619 giving live coverage of, you know, a formation of four 423 00:30:44.740 --> 00:30:48.759 UFOs sighted over this town and highway patrol are rushing 424 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.059 to this town and somebody else reports this. So I 425 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.640 go outside and I'm going, all right. And overhead, I 426 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:02.220 see this big, orange, bright orange cigar-shaped thing go over 427 00:31:02.259 --> 00:31:04.900 at high speed. And I'm going, whoa, I just saw 428 00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.369 a UFO. Well, I realized in a couple of seconds 429 00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:12.470 it was not a UFO. It's a jet fighter with 430 00:31:12.549 --> 00:31:15.950 its afterburner on. And what I'm seeing and hearing is 431 00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:19.829 a jet going in the direction of the UFO reports. Now, 432 00:31:19.869 --> 00:31:23.789 the next day, the Air Force says, no, it was actually, no, 433 00:31:23.829 --> 00:31:27.660 the aircraft were We're scrambled. We really didn't track anything. 434 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.960 And I'm going, yes, you did. I saw them. But 435 00:31:31.829 --> 00:31:36.250 then their explanation was that people were fooled by seeing 436 00:31:37.009 --> 00:31:40.269 Orion and the constellation Orion. And that's what they thought 437 00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:43.769 was a formation of UFOs. And even at that time, 438 00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:47.650 I was enough into amateur astronomy to go, that's a 439 00:31:47.710 --> 00:31:52.259 winter constellation. It's not overhead in August. You guys really,

440 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.670 you're really messed up. And that explanation didn't last long. 441 00:31:56.950 --> 00:31:59.069 But at that point in time, I really began to 442 00:31:59.109 --> 00:32:02.150 question what was going on. I did join a couple 443 00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:07.619 of the early organizations, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, National 444 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.940 Investigations Committee, did a couple of field investigations of my own. 445 00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:14.500 But then, you know, life got in the way. And 446 00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:17.880 for the next several decades, it was, you know, it's life, 447 00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:21.980 it's a career. When I retired and came back into it, 448 00:32:22.049 --> 00:32:24.809 I began doing a lot of work in national security 449 00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:31.670 areas and actually researched and wrote a book called Surprise Attack. 450 00:32:32.369 --> 00:32:35.410 And the whole core of the book is evaluating threat 451 00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:40.549 and warning, the intelligence practices for threat and warning, who 452 00:32:40.609 --> 00:32:43.390 does it, how do they do it, how effective is. 453 00:32:43.670 --> 00:32:46.369 And one of the things I looked, I started out 454 00:32:46.789 --> 00:32:49.720 with Pearl Harbor, and went all the way to Benghazi 455 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:53.220 through all the other national security incidents on the way. 456 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.349 And I found out the practices were quite structured and 457 00:32:57.410 --> 00:33:01.670 quite effective. We had had warning of virtually everything that 458 00:33:01.710 --> 00:33:05.730 had happened to us for decades. And the warning community 459 00:33:05.789 --> 00:33:08.519 was very good at it. But when they reported it 460 00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:12.039 into the political system, it got screwed up. And in 461 00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:15.309 most cases, where we got surprised, it wasn't that we 462 00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:18.990 were really surprised or that everyone was surprised. It was 463 00:33:19.049 --> 00:33:21.109 just that the folks at the top of the pyramid 464 00:33:21.410 --> 00:33:25.640 had chosen not to act for various reasons. And so 465 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.039 that surprise attack book is what really got me into thinking, 466 00:33:29.619 --> 00:33:33.220 you know, maybe we should be applying these practices to 467 00:33:33.259 --> 00:33:37.660 the question of UFOs. And that was my entree into 468 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.740 combining my UFO interest with threat and warning analysis. 469 00:33:43.099 --> 00:33:49.720 Okay. Well, what a journey. Right. Well, that kind of, 470 00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:53.490 you answered kind of the first question I had here, 471 00:33:54.150 --> 00:33:58.809 but when people tune into the news today, they're kind 472 00:33:58.849 --> 00:34:05.849 of hit with constant streams of viral clips, whistleblower hearings, isolated, 473 00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:11.659 you know, like I said, isolated single-story cases, but your 474 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.429 work takes a completely different path by looking at a 475 00:34:18.670 --> 00:34:25.349 curated 30-year vault of vetted reports through strategic intelligence. If 476 00:34:25.389 --> 00:34:28.570 we step back from the daily chaos, what does the 477 00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:30.630 big picture actually look like? 478 00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:35.110 The big picture, and here's the thing that always puzzles me, 479 00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:39.250 Although I would love more disclosure, I would love more reports. 480 00:34:39.789 --> 00:34:43.150 We have thousands of reports. Actually, we have hundreds of 481 00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:45.489 thousands of reports. We have more data than we need. 482 00:34:45.530 --> 00:34:49.670 The big challenge is curating it down to a solid 483 00:34:49.730 --> 00:34:53.110 core of reports that we can use because more data, 484 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.400 if it's not good data, doesn't help you any. So 485 00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.119 what we really saw is we saw two main things 486 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.679 come out of our study. And this is a behavioral study. 487 00:35:02.739 --> 00:35:06.519 We're not worried really about propulsion or technology. This is 488 00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:10.659 an activity behavior pattern study. What we saw is when 489 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.889 the UFOs showed up during World War II, and for 490 00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:20.010 the next probably decade or more, they were highly focused 491 00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:23.889 on our atomic warfare complex. And the interesting thing about 492 00:35:23.929 --> 00:35:26.380 that is that they weren't focused in all of it, 493 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.280 and it shifted over time. First, there were clusters around 494 00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:34.860 where we were developing the radioactive materials. Then those clusters 495 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.260 moved to where we were assembling the bombs. Then when 496 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.699 we deployed the bombs regionally, the clusters moved out to 497 00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:46.369 those sites. They're called Q sites. And then eventually when 498 00:35:46.409 --> 00:35:49.429 we put them at all the SAC bases and at 499 00:35:49.469 --> 00:35:52.889 the missile bases, they moved. And this all occurs over 500 00:35:53.610 --> 00:35:56.610 like a 15 year period of time. And once they move, 501 00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.659 they never recur. So the sightings that were at those 502 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.170 first types of facilities don't reoccur. Well, that just screams 503 00:36:04.369 --> 00:36:11.510 out to you, intelligence, mission, agenda, focus. This is a 504 00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:15.010 behavior pattern. There's an intelligent actor going on here with 505 00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:20.949 a mission. However, in the mid-60s, we saw a takeoff 506 00:36:20.989 -->

00:36:24.510 of that pattern. What had been very high visibility, high 507 00:36:24.550 --> 00:36:31.139 profile stuff, daylight sightings, formation flights, aircraft encounters and engagements. 508 00:36:32.409 --> 00:36:36.289 began to shift much more to the nighttime. Yeah, there 509 00:36:36.329 --> 00:36:39.420 was still a core of military activity, but there were 510 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.480 a lot more incidents and engagements with down at a 511 00:36:43.539 --> 00:36:48.619 low level, ground level, with individuals, with small groups, with cars. 512 00:36:49.659 --> 00:36:53.920 It moves from the typical UFO incident being a formation 513 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.909 flight over Albuquerque, New Mexico, to a 12 o'clock encounter 514 00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:02.449 with a carload of people on a remote road in Indiana. 515 00:37:03.269 --> 00:37:03.510 Right. 516 00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:07.409 So there's a real change going on here over time. 517 00:37:08.230 --> 00:37:10.739 Why it's going on, there's a lot of speculation. We 518 00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:15.400 have some, but clearly, again, this appears to be an 519 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.179 intelligent actor because they have a mission, the mission changes. 520 00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:24.719 And we describe that and characterize it as more of 521 00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:29.659 perhaps a behavioral study. It's a guess, but They may 522 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.110 have simply been puzzled by the fact that we were 523 00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:35.690 failing to respond to them in what had been clearly 524 00:37:35.769 --> 00:37:40.650 intelligent behavior and had demonstrated their capability. Like if I 525 00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:45.969 can demonstrate that I'm really advanced and I'm really not hostile, 526 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.380 why would you not want to talk with me? I 527 00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.659 have things to offer. Why are you not engaging with me? 528 00:37:51.820 --> 00:37:57.000 Which we never did. Even after they tried electronic signaling 529 00:37:57.099 --> 00:38:01.199 of various sorts, you know, I, I'm, I'm now beginning 530 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.570 to think that they're just puzzled. They may be questioning 531 00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:08.190 we're intelligent or like, are we just a colony of 532 00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:11.449 ants that understand quantum theory and nothing else? 533 00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:16.349 Yeah. And like you said, you know, that's something I've 534 00:38:16.409 --> 00:38:20.639 pondered for, for a long time as well is the shift, 535 00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:27.360 like you said, from these, you know, kind of dramatic, um, 536 00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:35.320 you know, military sightings to a very, very personal, you know, 537 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.239 individual case-by-case basis. Do you think that, I mean, this 538 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.599 is obviously speculative, but do you think that they grew 539 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.849 tired of waiting for the military to try to do 540 00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:51.750 the right thing and that they were like, okay, so 541 00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:55.389 maybe the next best way to do this is to 542 00:38:56.349 --> 00:39:01.829 show enough people that there's something else out there to, 543 00:39:03.030 --> 00:39:04.969 you know, because it's not something that's going to take 544 00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:08.610 hold right away. But through the process of, you know, 545 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:12.420 children having children, you know, having families and yada yada. 546 00:39:13.579 --> 00:39:16.599 You know, I came from a family where my mom 547 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.519 told me that UFOs existed, right? That we didn't have 548 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.260 all the answers. You know, I saw a UFO. She 549 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.519 didn't tell me I saw God. She didn't tell me 550 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.429 I was mistaken. She said, you saw a UFO. um 551 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.019 and she didn't put it in a box and you 552 00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:36.940 know it's it almost seems like that was you know 553 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.000 the the backup plan like show show the people rather 554 00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.239 than um try to engage with who the queen be 555 00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:46.900 if you will. 556 00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:51.940 I i think of it as desensitization I mean, they 557 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.619 they they may very well. It's like we have to 558 00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:58.000 show ourselves enough. We have to demonstrate we're not hostile, 559 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.780 even when we could be. OK, you know, we'll demonstrate 560 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.460 to you that we can take down a wing of 561 00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:08.239 your missiles. But, you know, we won't take them down forever. 562 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.349 We'll let them go back. But so to desensitize the 563 00:40:12.369 --> 00:40:15.409 general public. But but I have to say, after all 564 00:40:15.449 --> 00:40:19.730 this time, if you were monitoring our channels and who 565 00:40:19.789 --> 00:40:23.000 knows if they're electromagnetics are even that important to them 566 00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:28.199 as far as communication. We don't know that. That if 567 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.260 they watch the movie Close Encounters, as I mentioned before, 568 00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:35.920 they might be asking themselves, well, clearly this species knows 569 00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:38.429 how to communicate. Why aren't they actually doing it? They're 570 00:40:38.469 --> 00:40:43.429 only doing it in their movies. What's going on here? 571 00:40:43.469 --> 00:40:49.760 So I am puzzled by that. They've given us ample time. 572 00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:52.300 And I think to a large extent, we are desensitized. 573 00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:57.780 I don't think there is going to be any huge panic. 574 00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:02.039

If the Pentagon announced that there is a non-human intelligence 575 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.380 involved here, I think it would largely be ho-hum. 576 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:10.590 Now, if we... Yeah. Well, I think most people nowadays 577 00:41:10.650 --> 00:41:15.230 would go, finally, you admitted it. Right? 578 00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:16.010 Yeah. 579 00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:22.949 Like we've been waiting for you to catch up. And yeah, it's, 580 00:41:23.050 --> 00:41:26.230 it's kind of frustrating in that sense where it's like, it's, 581 00:41:26.590 --> 00:41:32.010 we're all just waiting for like some confirmation from the 582 00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:36.500 same machine that told us there was nothing there in 583 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.880 the first place. And it blows my mind that, that 584 00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:44.159 that's the conundrum we seem to be stuck in. And 585 00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:49.519 you know, you know, whoever the others are, you know, 586 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.679 it didn't occur to me that maybe it frustrates them 587 00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:53.340 as well. 588 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.119 And I think it may well be. One of the 589 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.309 reasons is we haven't changed our behavior at all. You know, 590 00:42:02.329 --> 00:42:04.949 so that's got to puzzle them, even though they can, 591 00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:08.409 they can watch our media, you know, and even if 592 00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:11.570 they don't, I'm not sure that they've had the capability, 593 00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:16.159 even with a survey group to, to break down our language. 594 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.599 Communications is a tough thing. Bilateral communications is really a 595 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.980 tough thing, even on our own biome with dolphins and 596 00:42:24.110 --> 00:42:27.170 elephants and other species that we now know to be 597 00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.670 intelligent at a certain level. It's tough. 598 00:42:31.289 --> 00:42:31.530 Right. 599 00:42:33.829 --> 00:42:38.769 But they themselves, their behavior, I think, has become more... 600 00:42:40.690 --> 00:42:44.489 it's almost irrespective of us. They're waiting for us to respond. They're, 601 00:42:44.929 --> 00:42:47.289 they're persistent. They're here. But if you go to the 602 00:42:47.349 --> 00:42:51.789 Tic Tac incident, the Tic Tac incident, they did not 603 00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:56.860 approach that carrier group. They did not engage that carrier group, 604 00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.039 not engage the aircraft. They're just kind of going about 605 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.699 their routine business, which appears to involve something under the ocean. 606 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:09.320 And we challenged them over air safety, right? Uh, So again, 607 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:14.260 it's the same old story, except they're no longer interested 608 00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:17.300 in the carrier group. They're just doing whatever we're doing.

609 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.519 We respond to them. We attempt to engage them with interceptors, 610 00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:24.070 and we go through this same old song and dance. 611 00:43:24.550 --> 00:43:28.070 They just demonstrate to us once again that we have 612 00:43:28.769 --> 00:43:32.170 no capability to actually engage with them and do them 613 00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:36.579 any damage. But it I'm seeing more and more, and 614 00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:39.940 even the fragmentary videos that are released and that sort 615 00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:43.380 of thing, as if they appear to be doing something 616 00:43:43.539 --> 00:43:46.710 independent of us. Where in the beginning, for the first decades, 617 00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:49.489 it really was focused on us. And I'm not sure 618 00:43:49.530 --> 00:43:50.309 it is anymore. 619 00:43:51.969 --> 00:43:57.150 Yeah, that's an interesting point. 620 00:43:58.789 --> 00:44:00.550 But you don't see that sort of thing unless you 621 00:44:00.570 --> 00:44:04.519 have the pattern. Again, that's why I'm frustrated. by the 622 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:10.250 statements that are coming out with people that should know 623 00:44:10.349 --> 00:44:12.730 that you have to do this kind of analysis to 624 00:44:12.769 --> 00:44:15.949 see the real picture. You can't keep getting stuck on 625 00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.690 who said what about which, who saw an alien. That 626 00:44:19.769 --> 00:44:23.119 does you no good. I can show you the fact 627 00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:26.960 that the Air Force, back in 1950 to 1952, 1947 628 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:34.170 to 1952, examined multiple bits and pieces of what were 629 00:44:34.190 --> 00:44:38.269 purported to be ufo crash materials they're just bits and 630 00:44:38.309 --> 00:44:42.030 pieces okay they had them they examined them it didn't 631 00:44:42.050 --> 00:44:46.480 really tell them anything you know uh but but the 632 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.599 fact that that's an old story the old story of 633 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.679 bits and pieces has been around for a long time 634 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.619 so the fact that somebody saw something oh that was 635 00:44:55.659 --> 00:44:59.260 a part of a flame The thing that also troubles 636 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.860 me is I've done enough studies in national security to 637 00:45:02.909 --> 00:45:05.889 know that this whole thing of who tells you something, 638 00:45:05.969 --> 00:45:09.309 who shows you something, you've always got to question who 639 00:45:09.349 --> 00:45:13.050 it was and what the purpose of doing that was. 640 00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:18.320 Because very sincere people get really trapped by really good 641 00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:20.480 disinformation programs. 642 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.380 Well, that's almost what I'm most concerned about right now. 643 00:45:25.969 --> 00:45:28.659 if I'm being honest with you, Larry, is the fact 644 00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:35.840 that

we know and, you know, we know for a fact, 645 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.579 you know, vis-a-vis guys like Richard Doty, right? You know, OSI, 646 00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:46.670 the CIA, you know, the NSA, even NASA to a degree. 647 00:45:47.130 --> 00:46:00.409 We know that they know lie to us, right? And 648 00:46:01.050 --> 00:46:15.639 we know that there's disinformation being inserted into the mainstream 649 00:46:16.010 --> 00:46:21.400 to confuse, to muddy the waters, and to discredit certain individuals, 650 00:46:21.699 --> 00:46:26.440 certain stories, or the whole topic itself. But all of 651 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:31.949 a sudden, you got this rollout and the timing is, 652 00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:35.630 it's not a coincidence, I don't think. Ever since the 653 00:46:35.670 --> 00:46:40.170 New York Times article came out, it seems that whoever 654 00:46:40.309 --> 00:46:44.889 is in charge of, you know, the dam and how 655 00:46:44.929 --> 00:46:49.969 much gets through, they saw the tides turning with the internet, 656 00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:53.699 the connection people were having, you know, the, the, the, the, 657 00:46:55.590 --> 00:47:01.269 ability for information to transfer instantaneously around the globe. I 658 00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:05.300 think they saw the tides turning, and they decided that, listen, 659 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.019 we need to get ahead of this. So I'm not 660 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.159 so sure, and I'm sorry, I'm not so sure, guys, 661 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.679 and I'm not saying David Grush is a plant. I'm 662 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.500 not saying Elizondo is a plant. Actually, maybe Elizondo is 663 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.639 a plant. I don't think David Grush is a plant specifically, 664 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:32.820 but all these DOD-approved whistleblowers. It boggles my mind that 665 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:36.599 people can't look at that and go, something's not right. 666 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.059 For years, they said there's nothing. And now they're telling 667 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.659 us the same stuff that Dr. Greer was ostracized for 668 00:47:44.780 --> 00:47:48.460 many years about. And I'm not saying Greer was right, 669 00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:52.920 but Grush just went on Rogan and said that greys 670 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.769 are fighting reptilians and, you know, It's just, it's like. 671 00:47:57.909 --> 00:48:00.869 And the problem is we know where that came from. 672 00:48:01.969 --> 00:48:05.989 We know that the reptilians came out of Dulce base. 673 00:48:06.329 --> 00:48:07.929 Dulce and Paul Benowitz. 674 00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:11.539 And it was all a duty inspired and a DNI. 675 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:16.719 It's kind of like the DNI people created the reptilians 676 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.440 and they created the underbound races. It's kind of like, 677 00:48:20.019 --> 00:48:22.969 this is DI, DNI and DNI are now the ones 678 00:48:23.030 --> 00:48:25.940 that should have been doing the intention studies. But the 679 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.860 only thing we know that they actually did was disinformation. So, 680 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.090 you know, there's a real problem. If your day job 681 00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:41.409 is to do counterintelligence and disinformation and try to use 682 00:48:41.469 --> 00:48:44.550 the UFO topic to find out who knows about things 683 00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:48.230 that they shouldn't or who will spread rumors that they 684 00:48:48.269 --> 00:48:53.719 shouldn't or who is a security risk, unfortunately, my position is, 685 00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:58.920 That compromises the whole whistleblower thing unless you pursue it. Now, 686 00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:03.960 here's my example. I was involved with people who were 687 00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:09.880 involved with the FBI and investigating the MJ-12 stuff. And 688 00:49:10.179 --> 00:49:14.539 it was determined the FBI essentially concluded that they couldn't 689 00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:19.679 charge with anybody because the point is lying about something, 690 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:25.360 you can create whatever you want. They weren't real classified documents. 691 00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:29.920 So no real crime had been committed. Right. And there's 692 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.079 a real story to be learned about that. If what 693 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:37.110 we were talking about on those shows was actually real, 694 00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:42.570 you know, people had compromised real national security documents, real 695 00:49:42.750 --> 00:49:46.559 serious technology programs. I have to tell you, even though 696 00:49:46.579 --> 00:49:49.719 I might not like it, people should be locked up. 697 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.280 I mean, the way this works is the FBI should not, 698 00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:59.309 not some house oversight committee, but the FBI, the justice department, 699 00:49:59.809 --> 00:50:02.369 it should not be an IG issue. It should be 700 00:50:02.409 --> 00:50:07.989 an FBI and a, uh, ONI or Air Force. There 701 00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:11.590 are real serious consequences of this that seem to be 702 00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:16.300 escaping everybody. You just don't go on TV and say, 703 00:50:16.929 --> 00:50:21.760 I saw an alien body without being called in and 704 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.920 seriously investigated by who showed it to you when. And 705 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.119 we're not brooking any of this, even though I love 706 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.469 whistleblower protections and what we've got isn't good enough. You know, 707 00:50:32.590 --> 00:50:35.219 that's not the way the system would normally handle it. 708 00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:39.159 So when the system doesn't handle it, it makes me 709 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.760 curious that there's something wrong here. If the system doesn't 710 00:50:42.820 --> 00:50:46.570 work with the draconian procedures

that it's got built in, 711 00:50:46.889 --> 00:50:50.849 wait a minute, I'd prefer to let these guys go 712 00:50:50.969 --> 00:50:53.510 talk about it. Uh-oh, maybe that's a problem. 713 00:50:54.630 --> 00:51:07.599 Exactly. And, you know, again, it really does, it starts 714 00:51:07.739 --> 00:51:12.139 to make me wonder if I've been chasing a lie, 715 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:19.590 a disinformation, or disinformation, you know, this whole time. And 716 00:51:19.630 --> 00:51:24.280 it really starts to mess with your head when, you know, 717 00:51:24.489 --> 00:51:29.460 you look over to what's supposed to be the biggest podcast, right? 718 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.719 Joe Rogan, you And then, you know, David Grush is arguably, 719 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:43.630 you know, his credentials are impeccable. But, you know, he 720 00:51:44.110 --> 00:51:51.780 can tell these stories, but anytime the proof is asked for, it's, well, 721 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.380 I can't talk about that. Well, I can't talk about that. Well, 722 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.980 it's like, well, then, well, why can you talk about this, 723 00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:04.239 but not that? who's making the judgment call here, right? 724 00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:11.250 Because if it's anyone but DOD, then... Right. 725 00:52:11.369 --> 00:52:15.510 And if that were true, clearly multiple people violated their 726 00:52:15.550 --> 00:52:19.539 security oaths. Having been a minor liver in the military, 727 00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:23.400 that's serious stuff. You don't... I had top secret. You 728 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.900 don't do that. And if you then go on TV 729 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.619 and say, oh, by the way, You know, I'm talking 730 00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:32.889 freely about what was classified and still hasn't been released. 731 00:52:33.889 --> 00:52:37.309 They jerked me into an office. And it's let's talk 732 00:52:37.429 --> 00:52:42.150 because you just you signed some paperwork here. Let's let's 733 00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:45.449 talk about that. That that's not happening, which is which 734 00:52:45.510 --> 00:52:50.300 is why, again, our our team feels much safer with 735 00:52:50.619 --> 00:52:51.460 looking at data. 736 00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:52.400 Yes. 737 00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.539 And getting away from the people, getting to get away 738 00:52:55.579 --> 00:52:59.610 from the antidotes. Because we think the data. actually speaks 739 00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:04.090 for itself and has for decades. We're now trying to, 740 00:53:04.530 --> 00:53:08.929 our initial study goes from 45 to 75. We're working 741 00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:12.989 on extending it to current times. That's really tough because 742 00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:17.260 the military is holding all its information back. Once the 743 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.699 Air Force stopped collecting it, I will tell you one 744 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.739 of the most egregious things going on now is that 745 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.960 neither AARO or the PURSUE releases are covering the period 746 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.650 in the continental United States from 1976 to 2014, or 747 00:53:36.690 --> 00:53:40.750 actually 2020. It's just a total hole about what might 748 00:53:40.769 --> 00:53:45.150 have been reported at military installations. AARO was chartered with 749 00:53:45.190 --> 00:53:48.090 going back and looking at that history. In the book, 750 00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:49.670 we even say where you have to look. You have 751 00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:53.340 to look at op rep reports, sit rep reports, national 752 00:53:53.380 --> 00:53:55.900 military command center. They've done none of that. If they've 753 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.369 done it, they haven't made it public. If there was 754 00:53:59.409 --> 00:54:02.489 something in there that might worry me, okay, fine. But 755 00:54:02.530 --> 00:54:04.679 they haven't even done that. So I don't have that data. 756 00:54:04.949 --> 00:54:08.579 It's making life hard. So that's a protest on my part. 757 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.780 But the data speaks for itself for the decades that 758 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.230 we have available. And the good news is we've curated 759 00:54:19.289 --> 00:54:21.429 it to the point where most of the incidents we're 760 00:54:21.449 --> 00:54:28.199 dealing with are from professionals, pilots, military, law enforcement, Most 761 00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:32.820 of it's corroborated with radar tracking or instrumentation. It's the 762 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:35.250 sort of thing there is no argument about. When I 763 00:54:35.289 --> 00:54:39.309 look at Malmstrom Air Force Base, and I have several 764 00:54:39.349 --> 00:54:44.550 security teams, and I have a B-52 tracing this thing, 765 00:54:44.809 --> 00:54:47.940 and I have the radar screen photos of that, there 766 00:54:48.019 --> 00:54:52.760 is no debate. And the other thing that irritates me 767 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.099 is the data that we've got from the Air Force 768 00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:58.920 for that 30-year period, is far better than the data 769 00:54:58.940 --> 00:55:02.440 that we're getting from ARO and Pursue Now. They're holding 770 00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:05.119 back all the technical data we would really want to see, 771 00:55:05.139 --> 00:55:08.070 the metadata, the instrumentation data. 772 00:55:09.809 --> 00:55:11.250 Because that proves something. 773 00:55:11.809 --> 00:55:12.070 Yeah. 774 00:55:12.809 --> 00:55:14.409 Right? 775 00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:16.969 We still have the original, I mean, so they're not 776 00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:20.829 helping me on contemporary affairs, but the story from the 777 00:55:20.889 --> 00:55:22.780 first 30 years is very clear. 778 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.860 I want to talk to you about Malmstrom now that 779 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:31.239 you brought it up. Um, I worked very, very closely 780 00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:36.219

with Robert Salas. Um, I was able to bring him 781 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:41.559 into multiple, uh, members of Congress's office, um, and allow 782 00:55:41.619 --> 00:55:46.559 him to brief sitting members of Congress. Um, and he 783 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.139 had been waiting 50 years to do so. Um, I 784 00:55:50.179 --> 00:55:53.090 did it with a couple of phone calls, um, and 785 00:55:53.130 --> 00:55:56.059 it blew my mind that it hadn't been done already. And, uh, 786 00:55:56.389 --> 00:56:03.659 even guys like Dave Schindley, who was at Minot in 66, 787 00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:08.079 six months before the 67 Malmstrom incident. And then I 788 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.760 worked with a guy named Mario Woods, who was at 789 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.000 Ellsworth Air Force Base in, I believe, 79, I believe 790 00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:22.800 it was. And the consistent thing that I see through 791 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.500 all of these nuclear sites, and obviously Robert Hastings has 792 00:56:26.539 --> 00:56:29.519 a great book, UFOs and Nukes, where it's a very 793 00:56:29.619 --> 00:56:36.650 dry book of data in cases, but a lot of 794 00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:42.989 the same things are being seen at these bases, reddish, orange, 795 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.610 orbs of light that are breaching the perimeter, they range 796 00:56:49.670 --> 00:56:54.619 in size, but they're able to move at tremendous speeds. 797 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.579 They're able to interfere with our nuclear weapons, whether it's 798 00:56:59.619 --> 00:57:05.110 shutting them off, turning them on in some cases, like 799 00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:08.750 in the Soviet Union or the former Soviet Union, modern 800 00:57:08.789 --> 00:57:11.590 day Ukraine, which is a case that came out through 801 00:57:11.630 --> 00:57:15.849 George Knapp. When he brought records back from the Soviet 802 00:57:15.969 --> 00:57:22.010 Union after it fell, But there is clearly something unequivocally 803 00:57:22.550 --> 00:57:26.739 happening at our military sites. And these are the people 804 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:37.800 that we entrust with our nation's most complex, most catastrophic, 805 00:57:39.010 --> 00:57:46.039 world-ending weaponry. And when they say, hey, something's going on, 806 00:57:46.769 --> 00:57:50.679 I tend to want to listen or at least owe 807 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.519 it to them to listen. So what do you know 808 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:55.360 about Malmstrom? 809 00:57:56.460 --> 00:57:59.780 Well, for all of those cases, I think what disappoints 810 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:01.739 me about all of them is it's kind of like 811 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.599 the pilot cases. The security teams at the missile bases 812 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:10.199 are handpicked. They either work for SAC or they work 813 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.750 for STRATCOM. You know, these are highly trained, highly qualified people. 814 00:58:17.429 --> 00:58:20.429 They're there

in case, you know, the Soviets preempted us 815 00:58:20.489 --> 00:58:25.489 and dropped Spaznets troops in. If you can't trust them, 816 00:58:26.650 --> 00:58:29.860 there's something wrong. The same goes for the interceptor pilots. 817 00:58:29.989 --> 00:58:32.659 If you can't take their word for it, they're defending 818 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.460 the continental United States, you know, back in the 50s 819 00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:39.079 and 60s from Soviet bombers. If you can't trust them, 820 00:58:39.099 --> 00:58:42.679 the whole system comes apart. It just boggles my mind 821 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:47.440 when it's sort of like I listen to. A security team, 822 00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.239 multiple witnesses who say they saw a UFO hover, not 823 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:56.909 just above the silos, but above a atomic weapons bomb 824 00:58:57.130 --> 00:59:00.789 storage hut at the airbase. You know, I watched this 825 00:59:00.829 --> 00:59:03.190 thing there. We tried to respond to it. We kind 826 00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:07.389 of maneuvered around. It kept moving. And in the end, 827 00:59:07.449 --> 00:59:11.030 it just took off. You know, but they won't, that even, 828 00:59:11.050 --> 00:59:13.920 I guess to wrap up what you really ask is, 829 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.920 I think the surprising thing is that all of that 830 00:59:17.980 --> 00:59:21.780 got reported to the National Military Command Center, to the 831 00:59:21.860 --> 00:59:26.579 NMCC at the Pentagon. It got reported to NORAD. It 832 00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.849 wasn't that this stuff was not reported. But when you 833 00:59:29.929 --> 00:59:32.110 look at the paper trail from the guys that did 834 00:59:32.130 --> 00:59:36.090 the fantastic FOIA work, there's never any result on the 835 00:59:36.150 --> 00:59:41.010 other end. Was that ever assigned? Did that ever get 836 00:59:41.090 --> 00:59:45.320 kicked up to the Intelligence Committee? Did they just, it's like, 837 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.139 it stopped, so we'll just drop it? That's what troubles 838 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.800 me is there's no sign in the records that any 839 00:59:53.860 --> 00:59:57.619 of the, even the most sensational cases got elevated to, 840 00:59:57.929 --> 01:00:00.550 They should have gone to the National Security Council or 841 01:00:00.590 --> 01:00:03.760 their advisory committee. But there's just no sign that they 842 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.900 ever get elevated up to being a national level problem, 843 01:00:07.219 --> 01:00:10.820 which clearly when you have UFOs operating over the entire 844 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.539 northern tier ICBM bases, it is a national intelligence problem. 845 01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:22.710 Yeah. Inherently, even at the baseline, like whether you want 846 01:00:22.750 --> 01:00:26.510 to say it's another, you know, nation state or whatever, 847 01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:33.199 bad actor that has some sort of technology that's able 848 01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:39.389 to fly with impunity through our most secure sites, that baseline, 849 01:00:40.309 --> 01:00:44.989 that there's something there, that's enough to warrant further investigation. 850 01:00:45.809 --> 01:00:49.039 Well, and you remember what their answer was. Ultimately, they 851 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:54.000 attributed it to helicopters, mystery helicopters. And I'm going, oh 852 01:00:54.019 --> 01:00:58.840 my God, if mystery helicopters can penetrate the ICM base 853 01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.420 and hover over the bomb dumps, the Russians really don't 854 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.860 have to do much. Come in, hire half a dozen helicopters, 855 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:11.289 and we're done. It's insane that you would even write 856 01:01:11.329 --> 01:01:14.469 the reports off by saying, well, they're mystery helicopters, but 857 01:01:14.510 --> 01:01:19.389 we couldn't find out where they came from. Who would 858 01:01:19.469 --> 01:01:23.179 read that report and not laugh at it? It almost 859 01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:25.920 makes me want to go, Who was the top guy 860 01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:28.239 in the chain of command for this? And why did 861 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.539 he not call somebody on the carpet? You know, your 862 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:37.300 whole security system obviously sucks. Yeah. It's just not working. 863 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:39.559 Clearly not working. 864 01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:40.260 Yeah. 865 01:01:41.449 --> 01:01:44.349 And, you know, I've talked to many of these guys, 866 01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:49.590 many of these nuclear witnesses. And the one thing that 867 01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:57.219 they tell me is that, if they could describe these 868 01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:08.469 bases in one word, it is safe, safety, like safety priority, um, regimented, right. Um, 869 01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:15.030 like they, they train, they train, they train, they train, 870 01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:16.050 and they train. 871 01:02:16.949 --> 01:02:23.230 Um, And their profile, their site profile screened under SAC, 872 01:02:23.269 --> 01:02:26.170 and I'm sure it's under Stratcom too. Yeah. You know, 873 01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:29.750 if you make the wrong statement or say the wrong 874 01:02:29.789 --> 01:02:32.590 thing in a bar or whatever. You're out. You're out. 875 01:02:33.030 --> 01:02:36.110 You're out. And which makes me think again, okay, my 876 01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:39.829 security teams all reported this. They all said they saw UFOs, 877 01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:44.530 but they're still there. So in essence, somebody accepted the 878 01:02:44.570 --> 01:02:47.840 fact that they actually saw what they said they saw. 879 01:02:48.340 --> 01:02:50.320 And we can leave them in place. We're not going 880 01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:53.920 to rotate all of them. We're just not going to 881 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.860 deal with it. But you're right. The watchword for SAC 882 01:02:57.900 -->

01:03:04.260 and for STRATCOM is it's awesome how demanding they were. 883 01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:09.619 But then in the same breath, they put that report 884 01:03:09.699 --> 01:03:11.739 out and it's like, wait, what? 885 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.360 This doesn't... I know it wasn't a helicopter. I was 886 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.079 right under it. It was not a helicopter. Why won't 887 01:03:19.139 --> 01:03:21.460 you believe me? When you leave the report, you almost 888 01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:23.739 get to that point. It's like, why will you not 889 01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:25.719 believe me that it wasn't a helicopter? 890 01:03:26.909 --> 01:03:29.789 And well, part of me, part of me says that 891 01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:30.630 they do believe. 892 01:03:31.869 --> 01:03:32.050 Yeah. 893 01:03:32.389 --> 01:03:36.710 That they know. But right. You know, of course, that's 894 01:03:36.730 --> 01:03:40.389 where we get into territory where it's a little bit dicey. 895 01:03:40.929 --> 01:03:44.389 What I, you know, I got to ask and, I 896 01:03:44.449 --> 01:03:49.070 know we have limited time tonight, but I don't know 897 01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:53.219 how we're already an hour in, but I could talk 898 01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:59.659 to you for days. This has already been amazing. What 899 01:04:01.739 --> 01:04:05.980 do you make about abductions? What do you make about... 900 01:04:05.780 --> 01:04:08.090 I know you center your stuff on. 901 01:04:08.809 --> 01:04:12.150 That's an interesting second question. I'd like to talk about it. 902 01:04:12.250 --> 01:04:15.179 I've actually... It's not that I'm not interested in them, 903 01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:21.739 but I think there's a taxonomy of the UFO experience. 904 01:04:22.389 --> 01:04:22.550 Yeah. 905 01:04:22.590 --> 01:04:25.269 And there's a taxonomy on one end that relates to 906 01:04:25.690 --> 01:04:30.230 physical objects that reflect radar waves. In the middle, these 907 01:04:30.269 --> 01:04:35.900 are same physical objects and people are, they see them 908 01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:39.159 and then they describe being abducted and the experience they 909 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:43.519 have like Pascagoula or- Betty and Barney Hill, we can 910 01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.929 talk about. But then there's the others where there's no 911 01:04:47.050 --> 01:04:52.389 UFO involved. Aliens are reported. Greys are reported. There's no 912 01:04:52.510 --> 01:04:56.449 UFO involved. It's in a bedroom. You know, we love 913 01:04:56.489 --> 01:04:59.110 to talk about that. It's just such a broad subject. 914 01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:03.099 I have to. It's like, OK, I have to be 915 01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:05.980 up front about which part I'm talking about in what space. 916 01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:09.619 Right. You almost have to give a disclaimer like this 917 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.090 is all speculation at this point. Right. 918 01:05:12.670 --> 01:05:15.550 Although it could be tackled.

The interesting thing is you 919 01:05:15.570 --> 01:05:17.969 could use the same techniques. And I'm talking to a 920 01:05:17.989 --> 01:05:21.900 couple of trauma psychologists and the issue of trying to 921 01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:25.820 find markers that are associated with abductions. Missing time may 922 01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:29.380 be a very strong marker. Another very strong marker is 923 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.599 that it appears the people that may have truly been 924 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:37.480 abducted are troubled by this experience and they want to 925 01:05:37.539 --> 01:05:42.909 recover it. And most people who are truly traumatized, don't 926 01:05:43.030 --> 01:05:46.110 want to recover it. That's the last thing that they 927 01:05:46.150 --> 01:05:50.260 want to do is give it. These people, unfortunately, I 928 01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:51.719 am going to have to drop off to go to 929 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.420 another show. But yeah, I would love to talk about 930 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.539 either that or there are a lot of things about 931 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:02.420 intentions and origins that we have dealt with in the 932 01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:04.340 books that we could talk about separately. 933 01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:09.599 Can I ask you one last thing? Sure. So to 934 01:06:09.659 --> 01:06:11.800 wrap things up, you know, I'm glad, I'm glad we 935 01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:14.050 were able to do this segment. You have an open door, 936 01:06:14.110 --> 01:06:17.550 my friend, um, you know, to this, cause I have 937 01:06:18.329 --> 01:06:21.449 plenty more that we didn't even get to touch on. How, 938 01:06:21.670 --> 01:06:25.750 how has staring into this data for years changed that 939 01:06:26.070 --> 01:06:30.969 your own view of our future? Um, you know, has 940 01:06:31.030 --> 01:06:34.869 it changed your own view of our future as humanity? 941 01:06:36.789 --> 01:06:39.380 Actually, I, I hate to say this, but it's probably 942 01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:44.679 made me a little bit more negative because it's kind 943 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.570 of exposed to me that we can't really fully engage 944 01:06:47.630 --> 01:06:51.429 with reality. Things that are staring us in the face. 945 01:06:52.250 --> 01:06:56.170 In the book, we talk about something called institutional denial. 946 01:06:57.710 --> 01:07:02.480 And institutional denial is very dangerous. If you look at 947 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.760 some of the things that are happening right now in 948 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:09.280 terms of of the climate and the biosphere. If you 949 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.820 look at our own technology, you know, it's kind of 950 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:19.090 weird that in 1952, we were flying aircraft at a 951 01:07:19.130 --> 01:07:24.429 certain speed to intercept UFOs. Guess what? In 2014, our 952 01:07:24.510 --> 01:07:28.380 aircraft are largely the same. We have no new technologies. 953 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.219 We have no new propulsion system. And what's the most 954 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:35.150 dangerous weapon that we're stepping back to? Drones powered by 955 01:07:35.230 --> 01:07:39.030 rotors or maybe a jet, you know, like V1, V2. 956 01:07:39.070 --> 01:07:43.190 We've been there. I don't know if it's institutional denial 957 01:07:43.349 --> 01:07:47.210 at the academic level, the government level, but something seems 958 01:07:47.269 --> 01:07:50.340 to be holding us back. So I hate to say that, 959 01:07:50.409 --> 01:07:54.300 but and especially my age, it's kind of like, OK, 960 01:07:54.619 --> 01:07:57.159 until we can really be open about some of the 961 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.619 things that we're facing, I'm afraid we're building walls around ourselves. 962 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:02.840 And that's a bad thing. 963 01:08:03.610 --> 01:08:07.090 I agree. Where can people find the book, Larry? And 964 01:08:07.349 --> 01:08:08.090 where can people? 965 01:08:08.309 --> 01:08:11.150 The book is now available at shipping. It's on Amazon, 966 01:08:11.170 --> 01:08:14.570 but basically anywhere you would buy a book, eBay or, 967 01:08:14.590 --> 01:08:18.970 you know, so it's widely available now. Actually, what I 968 01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:21.149 can do is I can drop you a link to 969 01:08:21.270 --> 01:08:24.220 our team page where we discuss a lot of things 970 01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:27.159 about our intentions work. And that's probably the best place 971 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:31.159 to see what we're doing because we're carrying this forward 972 01:08:31.260 --> 01:08:32.180 as best we can. 973 01:08:33.109 --> 01:08:36.770 Well, I'll put that in the link below for people 974 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.840 on the replay. Larry, I know you got to get going. 975 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:46.199 I got to get ready for Texas. So please, let's talk. 976 01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:50.930 Let's get back on the horn. And I really, I'd 977 01:08:50.970 --> 01:08:52.670 like to do, you know, maybe we could set a 978 01:08:52.689 --> 01:08:57.029 couple hours for like a really in-depth conversation. 979 01:08:57.750 --> 01:08:59.850 Would love to do that and say hello to Boston 980 01:08:59.890 --> 01:09:02.260 for me. I spent several years working on South Street. 981 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.479 Ah, good old South Street. All right. 982 01:09:07.819 --> 01:09:10.340 We'll talk to you next time. 983 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.460 Talk to you next time. Thank you, Larry. 984 01:09:12.939 --> 01:09:21.340 You bet. All right. 985 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.560 So we're going to play. We're going to wrap up 986 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.810 here in just a moment. But we are brought to 987 01:09:27.890 --> 01:09:35.109 you today by. This episode of Total Disclosure is brought 988 01:09:35.170 --> 01:09:38.729 to you by Good Feels Cannabis Seltzers. And I'll be honest, 989 01:09:38.949 --> 01:09:42.010 this is one of my favorite partners that

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So I will be 1018 01:11:42.220 --> 01:11:46.970 probably live multiple times throughout the weekend. Um, and with 1019 01:11:47.050 --> 01:11:52.170 various people, I know, uh, Kurt Metzger, uh, Duncan Trussell, 1020 01:11:52.210 --> 01:11:55.300 like the mystery boys, um, you know, guys like Billy 1021 01:11:55.340 --> 01:12:04.859 Carson who let's face it, you know, um, but others, uh, 1022 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.369 some amazing people like David Childress, uh, and, and so 1023 01:12:08.390 --> 01:12:16.729 many more, you and all those people that we've been 1024 01:12:17.630 --> 01:12:20.350 networking with in the past year. So it's going to 1025 01:12:20.380 --> 01:12:23.140 be really fun to kind of, you know, not just 1026 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:27.680 be focusing on UFOs per se, but bridging the gap into, 1027 01:12:27.699 --> 01:12:31.560 you know, a broader topic set. So can't wait to 1028 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.760 do that. I'll be one of the videographers for the 1029 01:12:34.779 --> 01:12:39.159 conference and I will be capturing as much as I 1030 01:12:39.260 --> 01:12:41.840 can and bringing it to you in some sort of 1031 01:12:42.140 --> 01:12:45.180 story format once I get back. So it's going to 1032 01:12:45.220 --> 01:12:48.380 be really fun. And yeah, and then I got a 1033 01:12:48.420 --> 01:12:52.060 couple other surprises while I'm down in Austin. So thank 1034 01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:55.489 you guys. Make sure to like, share, subscribe. As always, 1035 01:12:55.850 --> 01:12:58.369 it is the easiest and the best way you can 1036 01:12:58.409 --> 01:13:04.289 help the show stay, you know, finding new audience and 1037 01:13:04.369 --> 01:13:07.720 staying relevant. So with that, if you're watching in the 1038 01:13:07.770 --> 01:13:11.439 future on a podcast platform, same thing, rate and review 1039 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:14.340 the show. It's free. It takes 20 seconds. 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