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Hey!
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A triple feature! Three films up on the screen! One's
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a little heavy, one's a little sleek, and one's just
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caught between.
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Laugh and cry and overanalyze.
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Dig through spleens with wide, wild eyes. Grab some popcorn.
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Take your seat.
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Three times the fun, three times the treat.
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Hey, a triple feature, that's.
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What we're here to do.
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Buckle up, all the lights go down, and we'll watch them.
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All with you.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages,
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you are listening to a Rattledge and Broadcasting premiere podcast,
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triple feature. I am your host, the mandated reporter, and frankly,
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I'm mortified, Mr. Mark Rattledge, and tonight, It's my pal, Gracie.
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Say hello, Gracie. Gracie. Well, tonight, Sean, it is Halloween,
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and every year we like to do a little something spooky,
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a little something for the horror fans. So tonight on
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Triple Feature, we're focusing on legendary horror director Wes Craven.
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Specifically looking at Shocker, Vampire in Brooklyn, and My Soul
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to Take. From an executed serial killer who returns through
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electricity like you do. to a seductive vampire stalking New
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York City, and a supernatural mystery involving a murdered family
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and seven teenagers, not eight, not nine, not three, commenced
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to throw the holy hand grenade at seven. These three
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films represent some of Craven's stranger and more divisive work.
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Across three decades, Craven repeatedly explored possession, fractured families, inherited evil,
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and the struggle between individuals and authority. But do these
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recurring themes reveal a filmmaker wrestling with his own psychological demons?
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or a director recycling the same ideas with diminishing returns?
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We will let you know. We'll examine the performances, outrageous storytelling,
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supernatural mythology, and occasional absurdity of these three films, while
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asking whether Craven's reputation as a master of horror extends
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beyond his most celebrated franchise. So join us for a
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journey through the weird, wild, and frequently ridiculous side of
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Wes Craven. So, Sean, what's your favorite Wes Craven?
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What's my favorite Wes Craven movie?
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Yeah.
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Um... On any given day, I would lump the original
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Nightmare on Elm Street, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, and the
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original Scream all up near the top. But that's not
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to say that the ones at the tier right below
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that aren't equally appreciated and sometimes able to rival those.
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But it's just that of the ones I've seen, it's
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always those three. that I will come back to without fail.
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Yeah, I would say... I would agree with you on...
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Wes Craven's New Nightmare genuinely terrified me. Like... Oh, yeah.
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I love the idea that you almost don't know if... Like,
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it's clearly a fiction, but the way it's done is
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you start to believe that... You could be led to
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believe that this is... You're watching a documentary and, like,
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weird shit happens. It is... I think it's his most
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masterful spooky stroke, you know?
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Well, it's really fascinating because, and of course, I really
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don't know one way or another if he's ever said, yeah,
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Scream came from my experience making this movie, but it
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really does feel like he's just kind of taking the
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first wobbly steps on the legs that would become the
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Scream franchise.
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Obviously, I love Scream. We did a long road to
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ruin on it. I went back through my notes. You, Robert,
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and Ben did the entire Nightmare on Elm Street one.
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You did that one like you did Hellraiser, where I
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think you divided it into two shows. These were the
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good ones. These were the bad ones.
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Some of my favorite shows, yeah.
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And then were you– I don't remember if it was
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Robert and Ben or if it was Robert, you, and
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Ben again that was on for when Wes Craven died.
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There was a memorial show. Do you remember?
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I don't think I was on for that one. I
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might have still been homeless at the time, come to
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Okay. So, I don't, you know, I've seen most, if
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not all, of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. I
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don't think I saw the recent one that you used.
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To do a whole bit about.
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So, I've seen New Nightmare. I think I've seen all
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the original Nightmare on Elm Street at one point or another.
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I know I've seen all the Screams. I've reviewed half
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of them on here. No, I've reviewed all of them
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on here now that I think about it. But I
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wasn't as familiar with the rest of Don't West of.
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This is going to be a rough show. The rest
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of Wes Craven's filmography. Part of the reason why I
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wanted to do this, because when you say Wes Craven,
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he's synonymous with The Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream.
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That's what everyone knows him for. Of course. He's synonymous
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with Freddy. Were you on the Everyone Loves a Bad
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Guy for Freddy?
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I feel like that was so long ago. I feel
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like I might have been. Right.
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Um, either way I wanted to look at like, what
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else does he do? And I don't want to get
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too far into it now, um, because we'll talk about
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it as we talk about these movies, but I wanted
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to look at shocker because I remember, um, going to
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the video store as a kid, seeing that one and
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thinking it looked interesting, but like, I wasn't big into
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renting horror movies at the time. So like there were
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just certain box covers that I always found fascinating and
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but never had the courage to actually sit down and
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watch or rent.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.
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Ghoulies was another one. They were in every video store.
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Always prominently displayed in the horror section. And then Vampire
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in Brooklyn, I knew about, but it's weird because I
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was a huge Eddie Murphy fan as a kid, but
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I was a Beverly Hills cop Eddie Murphy fan. I
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wasn't a golden child or Vampire in Brooklyn fan. Eddie Murphy.
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And Vampire in Brooklyn just sounds like such a generic
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it's exactly what it says on the tin title. Yeah.
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It's like a movie title that you would see in
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a spoof of horror movies.
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Honestly, if I didn't, when I was doing the research
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for this podcast tonight, I was like, I want to
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do Wes Craven. We haven't done him yet. We did
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Tim Burton, I think it was last year. I want
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to do another horror director for Halloween like I do
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every year. What else has Wes Craven done? Not in
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a million years did I realize that he did Vampire
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in Brooklyn.
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I had no idea.
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Yeah. I threw this on here because, one, I was
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a huge Eddie Murphy fan. And I'm like, well, okay,
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this completes the Eddie Murphy set from the 1980s and
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90s for me. But also, like, I can't believe Wes
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Craven directed this. What an oddball movie. And then I
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have never– You got.
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To admit, that erudite little white man made one hell
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of a black movie.
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He sure did. Yeah, we'll talk about that. And then lastly,
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I had no idea what my soul to take was.
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It was on the list. Neither did I. Okay, you'd
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never seen it?
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I had never seen it. I think maybe at one
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point a long time ago I had heard of it,
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but I damn sure had no idea that Wes Craven
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made it, and I had no idea what it was about.
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Okay, so these are all first watches for you? Same
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as me?
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Shocker was not a first watch. It was just the
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first watch in many years. I needed to refresh myself.
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Vampire in Brooklyn was one that I had always told
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myself I wanted to eventually get around to, but never had.
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So that was a real treat. And My Soul to Take,
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bug fuck nanners as it could be at times, was
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kind of an eye opener. There was a lot that
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I enjoyed about it.
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Let's get into Shocker. Shocker is a 1989 American supernatural
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slasher film written and directed by Wes Craven, starring Michael Murphy,
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Peter Berg, a young Peter Berg, Cammie Cooper, and Mitch Pelleggi.
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The film was released by Universal on October 27th, 1989
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and grossed $ 16. 6 million. It does not list a budget.
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So the plot of this thing goes, after being executed
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in the electric chair an hour and a half into
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the movie, Sadistic serial killer Horace Pinker, let's just call
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him racist Nazi is his name, honky white man, returns
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as a supernatural force capable of traveling through electricity and
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possessing human bodies. Jonathan Parker, the young man responsible for
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his capture, must confront the seemingly unstoppable murderer as their
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deadly rivalry transcends the boundaries of reality. All right, I
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will start with you, Sean. What did you think of Shocker? Oh, boy.
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Yeah. You're talking about a movie that, and again, as
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I always point out, I'm past the days where I
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go off on too angry, overly thought out snarky rants.
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So just here's straightforward.
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What I thought about it.
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As you said, it takes forever to start living up
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to its gimmick. And the gimmick is very clear right
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there on the poster.
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You have a pretty good idea what to expect. And
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it really tests... how much of its patience it can
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sap before you just kind of walk away and go
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watch nightmare on Elm street for the 400,000th time.
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We use the phrase, get the kids to the mall. Well,
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this one takes the long fucking way to the mall.
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This one, Trevor's walk. This isn't get the kids to
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the mall. This is let's never speak of the shortcut again. Um,
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and when it finally gets around to it it ends
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up just kind of being another possession movie yeah um
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with what i thought the absolute funniest fucking part of
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it is despite the fact that horace pinker is you
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know infecting all of these bodies he still can't get
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rid of that fucking limp all the cosmic power to
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make him a being of pure electricity capable of possessing
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human bodies and he still has that goddamn club foot
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that he's dragging that he's dragging around cause his baby
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boy shot him in the knee way back in the
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day um which I don't know I question how important
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that little twist remains to the rest of the movie
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as in not very much at all special effects wise
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expect the very best of 90s direct to video throughout
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somehow Wes is making this movie for Universal and yet
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the special effects in the early days with New Line
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were better do not go into this expecting to see
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another Freddy pressing his frame against a spandex sheet to
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create the fact that he's bending a wall. There's not
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going to be anything so dramatic. It's more like all
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of it is that last fucking shot with the sex
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doll being dragged through the front door window. That's about
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what you can expect.
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It's my favorite part of Nightmare on Elm Street.
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I mean... Oh no! But I think its greatest sin
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is the fact that narratively... We are seeing what would
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have happened if Wes would have taken his world-building and
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all of his character development and everything and all of
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his exposition and just spent the first fucking half of
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Nightmare on Elm Street just laying it out. Tina doesn't
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even get murked until 45 minutes in. That's kind of
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what this movie does is... Everything has to set up
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and show you exactly what led to Horace Pinker becoming
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such an even more vengeful fuck than he already was.
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It would be like if they spent the first hour
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of Scream showing you what happened with Sidney's parents.
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the first half of the movie. So I'm going into
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this thinking, okay. It's Wes Craven. He's going to have
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the good sense that about the first 15 minutes or
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so are just going to be setting up the execution
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and how his body ends up getting transferred. Let's go.
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And nothing's happening, and nothing's happening, and nothing's happening, and oh,
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it's another victim. It's Jake and the Fat Man are
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caught up in a deadly game of cat and mouse
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for the first fucking half of the movie, and Jesus Christ.
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Vampire in Brooklyn got right to the point.
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My soul to take opened with a frankly kind of
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mesmerizing flashback that just kind of had me hooked and
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curious right from the get-go. This, I questioned whether I
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was even watching the right movie.
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All right, let me jump in here. I don't hate
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this movie. It's poorly paced.
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Yeah.
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It's poorly It's poorly structured. And it was the first
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sign that I'm not sure I really like Wes Craven
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as a director. But this also is my age talking.
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I'll tell you why. As I get older, this is
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going to be fun coming from me, by the way,
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because you're going to hear me like a bit of
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a hypocrite, but hear me out. I'm just not in
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love with coarse behavior anymore. I don't mind cursing if
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it's used selectively, if it's used repeatedly. But when
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every other word and you just seem to be doing
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the Kevin Kline thing of you're just cursing just to
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curse and everyone's behavior is shitty. One of the things
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I noticed watching these three movies and thinking about Scream
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and A Nightmare on Elm Street and all those movies
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is how much institutional distrust and aggravation Wes Craven has.
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Like I, as I was watching these things, the thought, wow,
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Wes Craven is the John Waters of horror. Like they
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make the same movies and have the same problems. They're
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just doing different genres. Like everybody in a Wes Craven,
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first of all, everybody in a Wes Craven movie is possessed.
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Like he just loves himself some, some devil and demon possessions. Um,
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he loves to mess with your dreams. He loves to
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mess with the idea of vulnerability. Um, It's in all
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of his movies. It's everywhere. And the third thing is,
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everybody behaves badly, even the people that aren't the bad guy. Like,
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the cops behave badly. Teachers behave badly. Parents behave badly.
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Everyone's awful to each other. Like, it makes the movie...
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And I'm painting with a very wide brush, so if
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you're going to start, like, picking at different things... No,
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you've made some points I agree with. This is a
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very overarching thing over a lot of these movies where
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it's kind of more here and less here and, you know,
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all over the place.
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But.
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I noticed it with shocker and I was immediately turned
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off because number one, it takes way too long to
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get to the execution, which is the whole reason we're here.
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Then the second thing was everybody in the movie, there's
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not a likable character in the movie. Like Peter Berg's okay.
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And he's about the only one. Everybody else is awful.
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Like when, when, when I can't tell the difference in
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behavior between the villain and the townsfolk, I'm like, what
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are we doing here? And I've watched this happen with
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other Wes Craven movies. And I'm like, Can we not
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have likable people who I don't want to see die
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or at least would care about? So that was a
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big issue I had with Shocker. The other thing about
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it was, and I kept thinking about Patton Oswalt's bit
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about Jesus' superpowers, where his superpowers don't make a lot
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of sense. It seems like a grab bag. He's like,
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on the one hand, he has necromancy. On the other hand,
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he can make sandwiches appear out of nowhere.
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Wait a minute. I got no problem with somebody who
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can do both.
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Um, so shock. So Horace Pinker is like a movie
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called shocker. I expect to like have a, have a
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lot of electricity stuff happening. Like I assumed he'd basically
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be electro. Like, like he was killed and now he's
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like a ghost who shocks you.
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Right.
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But he's just doing Freddie. Like one of my frustrations
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with Wes Craven based on watching shocker and thinking about
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the rest of his filmography is how he can't get
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away from the same kind of character. Which is what's
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going to make Vampire in Brooklyn my favorite of the three.
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Not just the hashtag black folks, but because fucking finally,
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we're doing something different than what you've been doing. Like,
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to me, it was like, I gotta get away from
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A Nightmare on Elm Street. You know, it's all anyone's
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going to know me for. So here's what I'll do.
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It's still A Nightmare on Elm Street, but I'll change
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it from a pedophile who invades your dreams to a
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murderer who possesses bodies. I feel... Come on, Wes. I
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feel like.
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I feel like Wes Craven's career often has to be
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divided into three sections.
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Okay.
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You have pre-Nightmare on Elm Street. When he made The
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Hills Have Eyes and Last House on the Left. Much grittier,
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more real, earthy horror movies.
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Okay.
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And then you have... Nightmare on Elm Street up through
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probably right before New Nightmare. And that's where you have
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this period where Wes wasn't a part of the Nightmare
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on Elm Street universe anymore with the exception of Dream Warriors.
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And he was just kind of trying to find his
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own way and do his own thing and try some
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new things. And then you kind of have from.
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Wes Craven's new nightmare onward, which was where I feel
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like he came full circle. He got some closure on
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Nightmare on Elm Street. And he was able to kind
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of fully go forward and give us the rest of
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his career, which produced some really strong work. Not all
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of it, i.
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Want to put a lot of it i'm wondering if
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shocker and i don't know this for certain i'll look
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it up after the show is over but i'm wondering
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if shocker was an attempt to recreate another iconic uh
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horror villain and another franchise for universal I'm wondering if, like, hey,
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one part of the reason he got funding for Shocker
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was Universal was like, give us another Freddy. So Horace
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Pinker is an attempt to recreate the Freddy character in
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a new franchise, and it just didn't do very well.
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I feel like he has an autobiography or a memoir
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that I haven't read, and now I really want to
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go back and check it out to see if he
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ever kind of remarks on that period between... Leaving Bob
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Shea and New Line and Nightmare on Elm Street behind
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and returning to kind of, like I said, bring things
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full circle with Wes Craven's new Nightmare.
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When I do my TikTok for tomorrow, after we're done recording,
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one of the things I'm going to ask ChatGPT to
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look into for me is whether or not I'm right
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about that. Last thing I'm going to say about Shocker
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and then we'll move on to Vampire in Brooklyn. This
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is a mess. There's a germ of a good idea here,
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but it's a mess. Oh, yeah. And I think this
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needed another pass through editing. This needed to be restructured.
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We need to get him executed in the first 15
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minutes of this movie, not wait an hour into it.
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I think Peter Berg is doing... This is young Peter Berg,
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and he's going to go on to do so much
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more and so much better. So I'm not going to
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hold this movie against him. He's doing his level best here.
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But the last thing I'll say is I've said this
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before about horror movies. At a minimum, they should at
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least scare you. They should scare you. They should produce
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icky feelings, right? I was bored by Shocker. It committed
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probably the most egregious sin a horror movie can. I
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was disinterested. At some point, it's funny. I want to
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say it was Mutiny. Earlier in the year, I took
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my kids to go see Mutiny with Jason Statham. And
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it's an action movie, but it's an action movie, it's
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a Jason Statham action movie where he, where basically he
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just runs around killing people. And I said, if you
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didn't tell me what genre this is, I would assume
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it's a horror movie. Like, the difference between horror and action, essentially,
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is who is the one killing everybody. Because if it's
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the hero, then it's an action movie. If it's the villain,
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then it's a horror. You know? Like, that seems to
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be the only difference. Um, and that, and my purpose
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of bringing that up is that's kind of how Shocker
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left me. Um, this just feels like peter berg and
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the guy playing horace pinker who's doing his best i
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mean he's got terrible character to work with just kind
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of fighting for an hour you know it's like i'm
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just gonna keep using and killing people like the most
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interesting thing in the movie is when he possesses the
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little kid because berg doesn't want to like kill the
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kid and so like there's nothing and so he's like
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i gotta get you out of the kid but i
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don't want to hurt the kid um That was the
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most interesting thing in the movie. But I'll give you
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the last 50 words and then we'll move on to
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Vampire in Brooklyn. Anything else about Shocker you wanted to say?
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There's just not a whole lot. Mitch Pelleggi is kind
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of like, can I have Michael Rooker? We have Michael
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Rooker at home. Michael Rooker at home. And by the
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same token, we have Freddy Krueger. We have Freddy Krueger
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at home. Freddy Krueger at home is horrifying. Horace fucking
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Pinker is that hamburger Eddie Murphy fucking described. His mom
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was gonna know every time he asked for McDonald's.
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That's right. It's better than McDonald's? Grease all coming down
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my hand. Alright. Vampire in Brooklyn is a 1995 American
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vampire horror comedy directed by Wes Craven. It stars Eddie
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Murphy who produced and wrote with his stepfather Vernon Lynch,
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and brother Charles Q. Charlie Murphy. The film co-stars Angela Bassett,
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a young Angela Bassett, a less than prestigious Angela Bassett,
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Alan Payne, Kadeem Hardison, the infamous John Witherspoon, Zakes Mackay,
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and Joanna Cassidy. Murphy also plays an alcoholic preacher, Pauly,
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and a foul-mouthed Italian-American mobster, Guido. Vampire in Brooklyn was
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the final film produced under Eddie Murphy's exclusive contract with Paramount,
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which began with 48 Hours and included the Beverly Hills
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Cop franchise. Vampire in Brooklyn was released October 27, 1995,
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and initially received mostly negative reviews, with critics citing its
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uneven mix of horror and comedy. The film struggled at
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the box office, growing $ 19. 8 million in the U.S., but
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earned a total of $ 35 million worldwide against a $ 14
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million budget. Over time, it gained a cult following, with
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critical revaluation craving Craven's direction, Murphy and Best's performances in Chemistry,
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and its blend of horror and comedy. So Maximilian, the
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last surviving Caribbean vampire, arrives in Brooklyn searching for a
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woman like you do. Eddie Murphy's always coming to the
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city to find women. Have you noticed that? Who can
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preserve his bloodline. He sets his sights on Rita Vader,
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a New York City police detective, unaware of her supernatural heritage.
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As Maximilian manipulates those around her, Rita must confront her
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identity and resist the increasingly dangerous seduction. I'll start, and
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then you can back clean up. I actually really like
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this movie.
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Oh, yeah, same.
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I'm sad this didn't get understood in its time, because
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I actually think this is... First of all, especially this
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era of Eddie Murphy, where he can be a bit
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of a clown. He's not doing a lot of drama
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at this point. Here, he has to kind of play
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menacing and seductive and less comic. He, you know, he
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can't rely on his signature laugh. He can't rely on
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his like voices that he does. His gay effeminate character
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voice is this, is that like all the stuff that
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kind of makes him black Robin Williams and the Beverly
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Hills cop franchise is absent from this movie. He has
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to basically be suave and menacing for the entirety of
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the picture. I think he's great in this. I, I
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think he's really fun. Also, because vampires are typically Eastern European,
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that's the kind of vampires we always see. They're always
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the European sort. It was nice to see the vampire
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lore take place someplace else. So the Caribbean vampire was
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at least a new thing. It's funny. As I was
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watching the movie, I was watching it during my lunch hour,
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and one of the characters said something, and I just
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kept saying over and over again out loud, fucking voodoo magic, man.
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So I like playing... I'm a big fan of New Orleans,
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so I like playing with the idea of Caribbean witchdoctory
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and vampirism and all that stuff.
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And he had a little lore drop in the movie where,
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I think it was during the initial car ride, where
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he talks about vampires originating in Egypt.
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Right. So that's all good stuff there. Kadeem Hardison... I'm
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going to talk about this, I wish Cat Williams were
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here because Cat Williams often talks about, with regards to
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black comedians, he talks about cooning. And I can't tell
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from what the hell Cat Williams is describing the difference
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between an authentically funny black guy who's doing the same
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kind of stuff a white guy would do, but he's black,
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and is that cooning or isn't it? Like, I can't
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tell from Cat Williams' criticisms of black comedians what he
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thinks is not dignified and what's funny. So I'm watching
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Kadeem Hardison and I'm just like, if Cat Williams were
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here right now, would he call that performance cooning? Because
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Kadeem Hardison is funny as fuck. He's hilarious in this movie,
477
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but he's doing like, he's shucking and jiving a lot.
478
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You know what I mean? He's playing, he's doing a
479
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jive Igor, which is fine. It's what the role was.
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But I don't know, based on like someone like Cat
481
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Williams or maybe somebody else, if that qualifies as a
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funny and dignified performance or not. Let me ask you something. Yeah, sure.
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As a white man, would I be inappropriate entering an
484
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opinion on this?
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Sean, I just opened with it.
486
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Okay.
487
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Look, a bald white 50-year-old just opened a discussion of
488
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what is or what isn't cooning based on.
489
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Okay, so... I'm going to put this right out there
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for any black viewers to go ahead and criticize me
491
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on this. Tell me I'm wrong by all means. But
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on the surface, as a white man who admittedly does
493
00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:03.789
not know any better and from what Kooning has been
494
00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:08.049
described to me as, my lines among black comedians are
495
00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:15.160
kind of like this. Chris Tucker, Eddie Griffin.
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Cooning.
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Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, not Cooning. Mike Epps, not necessarily Cooning.
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Borders on it, but I don't think he goes as
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far as Eddie and Chris do. So I still kind
500
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of not cooning. Oddly enough, I don't really put John
501
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Witherspoon in the cooning category. Because I'm not him just
502
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feeling authentic, older black.
503
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Man, you know? That's my whole problem with this discussion.
504
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and with Cat Williams. I love Cat Williams, but I
505
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think some of his more militant views, what can be
506
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called militant, I think are his inner frustrations he's projecting outward.
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I can see that. I don't want to spend too
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long on this because we'll talk only about this and
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not about the movie if we do. So I'm going
510
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to put this out there and then kind of cut
511
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it short. But when Cat went on the Shea podcast
512
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and he was talking about black guys in dresses, It
513
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was like, oh, black guys have to go through a
514
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humiliation ritual in Hollywood. I'm sorry. Did we not see
515
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a whole lot of white men wearing dresses all over
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the history of Hollywood? Like, I don't understand why, like,
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playing with drag and gender and gender roles and putting
518
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men in dresses is as old as Hollywood itself. And
519
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it's a lot older than that. So, like, Dustin Hoffman, Tootsie,
520
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um just as an obvious one you know robin williams
521
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mrs doubtfire uh what's nathan lane the bird cage like
522
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.839
at some point why are you making a huge deal
523
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.059
out of it if they put terry cruz in a
524
00:31:12.099 --> 00:31:14.720
dress terry cruz address is funny because he's god because
525
00:31:14.740 --> 00:31:18.170
he looks like goddamn he-man you know let.
526
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Me and maybe this is kind of tangential to what
527
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you're talking about let me ask.
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You something sure.
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Suppose there is a world where Eddie Murphy is, in
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this sense, in the sense of this movie, the same
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performer that he's always been at this point in his career.
532
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But he isn't coming in with preconceived expectations that have
533
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--> 00:31:56.839
been forged by his comedic career. for what people are
534
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going to have in mind when they're seeing an Eddie
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Murphy movie or watching Eddie perform in anything. Do you
536
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:09.079
think Vampire in Brooklyn is still considered a disappointment if
537
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he's still delivering this same performance, but he's not out
538
00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:24.180
here giving us spooky Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood or spooky Axel Foley?
539
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.039
So that's the thing. I was thinking as you were
540
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talking about this, Eddie Murphy wrote this movie. Eddie Murphy
541
00:32:32.269 --> 00:32:35.289
was on set when Wes Craven was directing Kadeem Hardison.
542
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One would assume Eddie Murphy is as sensitive to minstrel
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performances as any other black man. I would think so.
544
00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.160
And everyone thought this was okay. I'm bringing this up
545
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because my official position is I think Cat Williams sees
546
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Cooning where there isn't any. And I think he, and
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I think for him, it's a lot of, as much
548
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:04.599
as I love Cat Williams, the guy's got like a,
549
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.660
you know, two dozen popular Netflix specials. He's not hurting,
550
00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:12.220
but I don't. Oh no, no, but I don't think
551
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.160
he's had the career that he wants. Why he, again,
552
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.119
he picks on Kevin Hart. I don't think he's had
553
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:18.789
the career that he's wanted. And I think he kind
554
00:33:18.829 --> 00:33:20.809
of does what a lot of people do with poor
555
00:33:20.890 --> 00:33:24.150
ego integrity and And that's, you know, blames others for
556
00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:27.170
his lack of success and calls things that they're not.
557
00:33:27.210 --> 00:33:29.089
So going back to this movie and Kadeem Hardison, which
558
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is why I started with this. Kadeem Hardison gives a
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00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.529
very good performance as a kind of like, you know,
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Igor type character, you know, but he's also fast talking,
561
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you know, jive, quote unquote. But again, now point to
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somebody that doesn't act that way, at least, you know,
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in the black community.
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When it comes to, when it comes to Kadeem, what
565
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I would point out is this.
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Hang on, hang on. Before you say anything, you've seen
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00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:58.769
white men can't jump, right? Is there
any difference between
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00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.809
the performance Kadeem Hardison gives in this and the performance
569
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he gives in that?
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I don't think so, but here's the thing about Kadeem is,
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and this is where I differentiate him from, as I
572
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said before, performers like Chris Tucker and like Eddie Griffin, like,
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you know, sometimes Mike, a lot of times Mike Epps.
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And that is that you go and watch Kadeem in
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something like a different world.
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That's what I was just thinking about.
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If you call it, if you call, if you call Dwayne,
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if you call Dwayne in a different world, Kooning, You're
579
00:34:43.449 --> 00:34:45.519
going to find out just how easy it is for
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someone to send a pipe bomb to your house.
581
00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:51.039
Well, no, he's playing an entirely different character as Dwayne Wayne.
582
00:34:51.059 --> 00:34:54.519
Well, okay, exactly. But on the other hand, for the
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00:34:54.579 --> 00:35:01.429
most part, 99.999% of the time, Eddie Griffin and Chris
584
00:35:01.469 --> 00:35:04.989
Tucker are playing the same fucking character. Kevin Hart is
585
00:35:05.030 --> 00:35:08.110
playing the same fucking character in just about every fucking
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00:35:08.170 --> 00:35:08.949
thing he does.
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Stooge, that's the word I was looking for. He's playing
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as Stooge. In Vampire in Brooklyn, he's playing a stooge
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00:35:14.570 --> 00:35:19.320
in White Men Can't Jump. And he's doing it the
590
00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:25.800
same exact way. He's motor mouthing. He's taking abuse from
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Eddie Murphy and Wesley Snipes. So we can move on
592
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from this. But I wanted to bring it up because
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I tend to kind of watch stuff with modern eyes
594
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now because I have kids who watch things with their
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own eyes. And they're 12 and 15. and I didn't
596
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watch this with them, but I could absolutely see them
597
00:35:43.909 --> 00:35:46.329
looking at Kadeem Hardison and going, oof, a little less
598
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than dignified, I think. Seems a little racist. Without, like,
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any other context. Like, just their sensitivities are modern sensitivities,
600
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and they weren't necessarily there in whatever year this came out. So,
601
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.039
moving on from that. Angela Bassett, you know, the wonderful
602
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.150
mother of Panthers. She's She is really great in this.
603
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And it's so funny because I'm so used to Angela
604
00:36:12.769 --> 00:36:16.349
Bassett in like big time lead roles where she has
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a lot of gravitas. And here she's doing almost, and
606
00:36:21.849 --> 00:36:25.820
maybe this goes to my Kadeem Hardison thing. Like, as
607
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I'm saying this, I'm realizing I'm making a bigger argument,
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which is how much Vampire in Brooklyn kind of resembles really,
609
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really well put together expensive blaxploitation. Because she's giving a
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very breathy performance.
611
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I don't know if I can name another actress in
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her generation that is more underappreciated than Angela Bassett. I've tried.
613
00:36:53.619 --> 00:36:56.949
I've tried to come up with someone, and I got–
614
00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.420
the woman has just never gotten the full flower she
615
00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:03.800
has been due, and I just– it breaks my heart
616
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:04.960
to think that she might never.
617
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.480
Have you ever seen her in What's Love Got to
618
00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:09.659
Do With It? Yes. Yeah, she's powerhouse.
619
00:37:12.699 --> 00:37:22.960
It is transcendent. And as you can see, that's just
620
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.659
a great entry point. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
621
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.510
And then you see something like this, and she and
622
00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.550
Eddie are out here elevating. You called it. What is
623
00:37:33.570 --> 00:37:39.800
as powerful blaxploitation a concept as blaxploitation concept can get.
624
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.820
And they are actually it ain't quite blackula but you
625
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:45.760
know but it's.
626
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.719
Up there but you know they also put together a
627
00:37:50.739 --> 00:37:52.619
little movie that I didn't want to tear my eyes
628
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:53.440
away from.
629
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.530
Yeah by the way when I say it's blaxploitation I'm
630
00:37:56.570 --> 00:37:59.829
not that's not a negative I'm just like now realizing
631
00:37:59.849 --> 00:38:04.849
oh that's what they were going for here yeah I
632
00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:07.829
like the fact that that's what they were doing. And
633
00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:09.449
I think they did it well. I don't think blaxploitation
634
00:38:09.469 --> 00:38:12.920
necessarily has to be a bad thing. Especially when everybody....
635
00:38:13.690 --> 00:38:16.730
If nothing else, blaxploitation made a fuck ton of money.
636
00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:20.480
It sure did. I think it's one thing if this
637
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.000
is all Wes Craven's idea and some other white producers
638
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.480
and then they cobble together this cast of black people
639
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.480
who are just doing it for the paycheck. Alright, there's
640
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.079
arguments to be made there. But this is very black-driven.
641
00:38:32.739 --> 00:38:34.820
This is Eddie Murphy's script. This is Eddie Murphy's idea
642
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:36.559
with people that he worked on who are, by the way,
643
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:41.119
also black. And I love the fact that we have
644
00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:44.699
things like blaxploitation. And because of the world that has developed,
645
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.590
there's already like a negative connotation. But then you look
646
00:38:48.610 --> 00:38:51.389
at the original people who made this movie and they're
647
00:38:51.429 --> 00:38:54.929
all okay with it. Accepting of it on different levels,
648
00:38:55.389 --> 00:38:57.610
drawing from it. Because if you think Angela Bassett wasn't
649
00:38:57.670 --> 00:38:59.889
drawing somewhat from Pam Grier in this, you'd be crazy.
650
00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:03.079
She's absolutely going for Pangreer.
651
00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:04.900
Absolutely.
652
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.980
Her partner, who I think was the same actor as the,
653
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.449
you know, I'm black, y'all. I'm black, y'all, from fucking CB4.
654
00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:15.829
It's my favorite part of that movie. I just talked
655
00:39:15.849 --> 00:39:19.030
about that with Shay not that long ago. He gives
656
00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:21.929
a really good performance in this. He is just so
657
00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:24.650
frustrated and angry and trying to get to the bottom
658
00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:28.849
of things. like it's all really really good I think
659
00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:32.409
it's a plot it's interesting because basically it's you know
660
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Eddie Murphy has you know X amount of time to
661
00:39:36.349 --> 00:39:38.429
get this woman to accept being a vampire and I
662
00:39:38.489 --> 00:39:41.380
like the fact that it's so funny that like an
663
00:39:41.489 --> 00:39:44.820
argument for consent is embedded in this movie he can't
664
00:39:44.949 --> 00:39:47.380
just turn her into a vampire against her will she
665
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.030
has to want it And he has to lead her.
666
00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:53.309
He has to gaslight her. He has to lead her
667
00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:55.889
down the path of thinking that this is what's best
668
00:39:55.929 --> 00:39:59.489
for me. Basically, he has to be a narcissist. He
669
00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:03.050
has to systematically isolate her, gaslight her, and convince her
670
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.039
that doing things his way is the best way forward.
671
00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:11.699
That's pretty brilliant, especially for that era of filmmaking. Outside
672
00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:12.230
of that, I.
673
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.400
The ending of the movie was fine. I didn't really
674
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:19.199
have a problem with it. They had to resolve it somehow.
675
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.199
Having Kadeem Hardison, that's the other thing. Kadeem Hardison isn't just...
676
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.460
He isn't Damon fucking Wayans from I'm Gonna Get You Sucka,
677
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.219
where he just throws himself out a window at the end.
678
00:40:31.530 --> 00:40:32.809
He gets to be a vampire at the end. He
679
00:40:32.829 --> 00:40:35.550
gets to be a really cool vampire. After all this
680
00:40:35.610 --> 00:40:38.530
abuse that he suffered and having body parts fall off himself,
681
00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:41.429
which is a funny gag, he gets to be the
682
00:40:41.449 --> 00:40:43.030
cool vampire in the end. So that's cool. And I'll
683
00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:44.570
give you the last word on Vampire in Brooklyn, and we'll.
684
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Um, my God, it is, it really is so damn
685
00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:57.469
surprisingly good. And Eddie carries this as a leading man,
686
00:40:57.550 --> 00:41:04.900
like an absolute fucking champ. And it doesn't look or
687
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:11.340
feel like a Wes Craven movie at all. Um, This
688
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:16.039
is one time when a movie shot and his fingerprints
689
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.760
are absolutely not all over it. They're kind of hardly
690
00:41:21.860 --> 00:41:26.690
on it at all. And yet it still looks great.
691
00:41:26.769 --> 00:41:32.110
It still feels great. It's paced really, really, really, really well.
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I would absolutely recommend that you go out of your
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way to watch and appreciate this. Yep. Hell, watch it
694
00:41:40.869 --> 00:41:42.050
alongside Blackula.
695
00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:46.440
And you can do a triple feature. Blackula, Vampire in Brooklyn,
696
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.280
and Blackula 2.
697
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.920
I was going to say Blade, but I'll take Blackula 2.
698
00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:54.460
I haven't done a TikTok on Blade yet. I really
699
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.539
should get around to it at some point. My one
700
00:41:57.579 --> 00:41:59.840
on the Punisher did really well today. My second one
701
00:41:59.889 --> 00:42:01.949
I've done on the Punisher. But enough about my TikTok.
702
00:42:01.969 --> 00:42:03.449
Have I told you about my TikTok? I have a TikTok.
703
00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:07.309
You should go check it out. Alright, last one. My
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soul to take. Well, Sean, if you came on this,
705
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.510
this is all a joke. This is just a setup.
706
00:42:12.550 --> 00:42:14.670
Go with it. So, well, Sean, if you got on
707
00:42:14.690 --> 00:42:16.449
this podcast, you're like, gosh, yeah, I wish Mark would
708
00:42:16.489 --> 00:42:17.710
just let me
talk tonight. I just want to take
709
00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:19.809
over the whole podcast. I don't want to give this
710
00:42:19.829 --> 00:42:21.309
guy a word edgewise. I just want to get on
711
00:42:21.329 --> 00:42:24.130
my lectern and bang his shoe and talk forever. Boy,
712
00:42:24.170 --> 00:42:25.590
this is the movie to do that with. I have
713
00:42:25.670 --> 00:42:30.539
so little to say. So, my soul to thank.
714
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.800
I wouldn't say my opinions are that strong, but this
715
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.079
was absolutely my favorite of the three.
716
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.070
I disagree with that as much as I disagree with
717
00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:41.030
Omar Epps doesn't coon, but that's a different discussion.
718
00:42:41.809 --> 00:42:43.789
I said doesn't always.
719
00:42:43.809 --> 00:42:46.250
Okay, I've seen the Friday movies.
720
00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:46.829
Yikes.
721
00:42:47.570 --> 00:42:52.469
Also, have you seen Meet the Blacks? Yikes. But enough
722
00:42:52.550 --> 00:42:56.159
about that. My Soul to Take is a 2010 American
723
00:42:56.179 --> 00:43:00.099
supernatural slasher film produced, written, directed, first base, Bugs Bunny,
724
00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:03.139
second base, sorry, by Wes Craven, making the first time
725
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.579
he had filled all three roles since Wes Craven's new
726
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.769
Nightmare in 94. The film stars Max Theriot as Adam Boog, Hellerman,
727
00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:13.510
who is one of seven teenagers chosen to die following
728
00:43:13.550 --> 00:43:18.119
the anniversary of a serial killer's death. Denzel Whitaker, Raul Esparza,
729
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.360
and Sharika Epps also star. The film's title comes from
730
00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.960
a line... Okay, who cares? My Soul to Take was
731
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.940
released by Relativity Media and Universal Pictures on October 8th, 2010.
732
00:43:27.940 --> 00:43:30.139
It was unsuccessful at the box office, grossing $ 21 against
733
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.469
a $ 25 million budget, and received mostly negative reviews from critics.
734
00:43:35.539 --> 00:43:38.280
The film was one of Craven's final slasher works before
735
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.260
he died in 2015 and was later reappraised by horror fans,
736
00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:45.969
gaining a small cult following that considers it underrated. 16
737
00:43:45.969 --> 00:43:49.820
years after a notorious serial killer supposedly dies, seven teenagers
738
00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.190
born on the night of his disappearance, what was this
739
00:43:52.210 --> 00:43:55.730
during COVID, become targets of a mysterious murderer. As the
740
00:43:55.789 --> 00:43:59.409
anniversary approaches, troubled teenager Bug discovers disturbing connections between his
741
00:43:59.449 --> 00:44:02.750
past and the killings, raising questions about possession, inherited evil,
742
00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:05.369
and the killer's possible return. I think this is where
743
00:44:05.409 --> 00:44:09.829
I lost my patience with Wes Craven. We're doing all
744
00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:12.610
the Nightmare on Elm Street stuff again? Terrific. What did
745
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.260
you think of this movie, Sean?
746
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:25.179
It was definitely different. I really especially enjoyed the opening
747
00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:31.300
flashback sequence and kind of establishing the chaos of all
748
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.139
the personalities and all the alters kind of vying for
749
00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:39.639
control all at once. I thought the shootout with the
750
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:46.050
police was really, was really, God damn that, that fucker
751
00:44:46.070 --> 00:44:54.829
just wouldn't die. Try as they might. I think that's
752
00:44:55.010 --> 00:44:58.420
definitely a take on high school, on high school life.
753
00:45:01.579 --> 00:45:04.980
It was so exaggerated, but at the same time, you
754
00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:10.329
can't say that it was entirely without a factual basis.
755
00:45:17.269 --> 00:45:22.190
You know, I... I'm now afraid you're really going to
756
00:45:22.309 --> 00:45:25.380
shoot me down on why I enjoyed this movie so
757
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:26.760
much that some of it's going to have to boil
758
00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:30.539
down to I was indeed high when I watched it. Um...
759
00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:36.809
I do wish that... I like the concept. I do
760
00:45:36.909 --> 00:45:39.789
like the concept of the killer and the fact and
761
00:45:39.829 --> 00:45:40.650
the idea that.
762
00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.199
I know you kind of write it off and roll
763
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.000
your eyes at it. The idea that echoes of a
764
00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:53.920
soul can be reborn in other bodies. That seemed like
765
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.119
an interesting concept to play with where you've got each
766
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.019
of the seven kids embodying one of the other person's
767
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.750
one of the other personalities. Um, frankly, I love the,
768
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.570
that's one of the reasons I love the absolute chaos
769
00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:15.949
of bugs classroom sequence. Um, that was goddamn Aaron Sorkin
770
00:46:15.989 --> 00:46:19.409
level high school wish fulfillment for me, uh, for the
771
00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:26.869
kids to picked on my ass. Um, I don't know
772
00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:30.449
that it was developed the best that the best that
773
00:46:30.469 --> 00:46:33.329
it could have been. it was kind of a war
774
00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:39.690
of these souls just reborn in different bodies. I think
775
00:46:39.730 --> 00:46:41.849
the kills sometimes were a little too.
776
00:46:43.699 --> 00:46:44.070
Quick.
777
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.280
It didn't really kind of make the killer quite fearful enough.
778
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.610
It wasn't so much that he was being as imaginative
779
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.320
as Freddy Krueger or as cerebral as any of the
780
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.650
better ghost faces. It's just that his victims were really
781
00:47:05.789 --> 00:47:13.449
fucking stupid. No, you're not good at the game. You're
782
00:47:13.489 --> 00:47:22.460
playing in bronze lobbies. There's a difference. But.
783
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:22.559
I.
784
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:28.300
Did enjoy the performances, especially... I thought the whole idea
785
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.320
of the whole kind of high school bureaucracy of the
786
00:47:32.449 --> 00:47:36.449
fangs and no fang zone and I guess beatings have
787
00:47:36.530 --> 00:47:44.530
numerical ratings now. Like what was he said? One punch
788
00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:47.710
was a three. One punch wasn't one punch wasn't eight.
789
00:47:48.409 --> 00:47:52.190
It's just it's so almost Simpsons level cartoonish.
790
00:47:53.150 --> 00:47:53.269
Yeah.
791
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.860
To actually tell somebody the force rating of the punch
792
00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:59.079
they just received.
793
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.219
It comes across like Steve Buscemi. Hello, fellow youngsters!
794
00:48:09.869 --> 00:48:13.190
And yet, I was engaged in the whole stupid melodrama
795
00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:16.510
the entire time, and I have no earthly idea why.
796
00:48:16.530 --> 00:48:21.130
My soul to take feels like somebody took a Dawson's
797
00:48:21.190 --> 00:48:25.019
Creek script and decided to turn it into a slasher
798
00:48:25.059 --> 00:48:31.460
movie with a C-level cast. I'm glad you like this,
799
00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:33.000
and I'm not taking that away from you. I'm going
800
00:48:33.019 --> 00:48:34.239
to tell you you're bored the shit out of me.
801
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.690
It lost me almost... It lost me and never got
802
00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:41.230
me back. And I found myself zoning out for large
803
00:48:41.289 --> 00:48:44.849
parts of it. Like, I love doing triple feature. I
804
00:48:44.869 --> 00:48:47.050
love podcasting. I love talking to you. There are times
805
00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:51.460
it does... Self-induced. I chose these movies. I chose this podcast.
806
00:48:52.730 --> 00:48:55.469
So I chose to give myself homework. And that's what
807
00:48:55.489 --> 00:48:59.639
this felt like. This felt like an obligation. It really
808
00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:03.460
was not a pleasurable viewing experience for me.
809
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:09.480
You know what? I really do think, yeah, I think
810
00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:15.070
it was just the stupid cartoonish nature of everything going
811
00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:18.739
on that actually got because I've seen Wes try to
812
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:23.639
do like you know his idea of semi grounded American
813
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.960
teenager and it was great but this was something
different
814
00:49:27.099 --> 00:49:27.639
from him so.
815
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.969
This feels like this absolutely feels like someone's like end
816
00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:37.889
of the road project like all of their creative juices
817
00:49:37.949 --> 00:49:41.659
and interesting ideas They've already been passed by other people
818
00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:47.199
and this is them... A lot of people are complaining
819
00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.900
now about Ridley Scott and Morton Scorsese and some of
820
00:49:49.940 --> 00:49:55.059
these other guys. They're just hanging on forever. It's another one.
821
00:49:56.539 --> 00:50:00.320
Back to the Future. I can't remember the name of
822
00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:00.820
the director now.
823
00:50:02.659 --> 00:50:03.440
Robert Zemeckis?
824
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:09.570
Zemeckis, yeah. Robert Zemeckis. Spielberg. All of these Boomer directors...
825
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.500
Like they're just hanging on and they keep trying and
826
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.199
they're not connecting with people and they're not making good movies.
827
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.639
That's kind of what this feels like. This feels like
828
00:50:18.739 --> 00:50:21.159
where a lot of those guys are now, you know,
829
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:23.960
and I don't want to spend a podcast as opposed to,
830
00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:30.269
you know, celebrate a director by criticizing him. But I
831
00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:32.809
really feel like Wes Craven had some really, really good
832
00:50:32.829 --> 00:50:35.809
ideas peaked at a certain point in his career. And then,
833
00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:39.210
and like, we're kind of looking at, The death throes
834
00:50:39.269 --> 00:50:41.170
of it. That's not to say that you can't enjoy it.
835
00:50:41.170 --> 00:50:44.329
You can enjoy whatever the hell you want. But I
836
00:50:44.389 --> 00:50:47.329
think by this point, Wes Craven was plumb out of ideas.
837
00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:49.989
And that a lot of this stuff is recycled in
838
00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:50.469
this movie.
839
00:50:51.030 --> 00:50:55.619
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. How
840
00:50:55.780 --> 00:51:02.340
easily we forget Orson Welles was not making Citizen Kane
841
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:06.639
right up to his death. Mm-hmm. He was doing commercials
842
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.139
for Frozen Peas.
843
00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:10.099
Rosebud.
844
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.139
You know, he was.
845
00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:13.860
Rosebud Frozen Peas.
846
00:51:14.780 --> 00:51:20.469
He was doing Transformers the movie, which, while generation-defining and iconic,
847
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.250
let's face it, Citizen Kane, it fucking was not.
848
00:51:25.269 --> 00:51:28.309
No, I would not say Transformers the movie was Citizen Kane. No,
849
00:51:28.309 --> 00:51:30.570
I would... That's a very astute observation.
850
00:51:30.969 --> 00:51:34.570
Of modern directors, I would even dare say.
851
00:51:36.010 --> 00:51:38.610
We're nearing that point with Quentin Tarantino.
852
00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:40.809
Oh, we're going to talk about him next month.
853
00:51:42.289 --> 00:51:49.409
Oh, believe me, I remember. We're kind of very much nearing,
854
00:51:49.530 --> 00:51:58.780
if not at that point, with Quentin. God, I love him.
855
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.019
I would dare say Kevin Smith is probably long past
856
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:02.659
that point.
857
00:52:03.699 --> 00:52:06.579
Well in the past. My patience for Kevin Smith died
858
00:52:06.619 --> 00:52:07.420
a long time ago.
859
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.239
And again, and I say that as someone who loves
860
00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:17.400
Kevin Smith, there does come a point when you've just
861
00:52:17.460 --> 00:52:19.780
kind of taken who you are as a director as
862
00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:23.820
far as you can go. And there's not necessarily anything
863
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.079
wrong with that. But while I enjoy this for reasons
864
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.019
that I know I have done a piss poor job
865
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.460
articulating compared to how I've talked about the other two movies,
866
00:52:33.980 --> 00:52:38.059
For some damn reason, I really enjoyed watching this one.
867
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:39.559
Okay.
868
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:48.079
I don't know. Because the acting is, to put it generous... Oh, God.
869
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:54.909
What was the... Riverdale. We're talking roughly Riverdale-level acting here.
870
00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:59.190
Yeah. That might be my problem with this. I was
871
00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:02.030
not a big fan of Supernatural.
872
00:53:01.389 --> 00:53:06.050
Or Riverdale or any of that stuff. absolutely justifiable.
873
00:53:06.570 --> 00:53:08.630
That's why I said this was like Dawson Creek, the
874
00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:09.389
slasher movie.
875
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:19.059
Yeah, you know what? Dawson's Creek with Kmart Dawson.
876
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:27.380
Alright, anything else about my soul to take before we
877
00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:28.139
call an end to this?
878
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:32.929
Really very little. I mean... In a way, I think
879
00:53:32.949 --> 00:53:38.969
you kind of convinced me. Worth giving a chance. I
880
00:53:39.019 --> 00:53:43.280
think there's a fair chance you might like it like
881
00:53:43.659 --> 00:53:46.460
I did. But on the other hand, if for the
882
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.880
reasons that we articulated, it just puts you off, you
883
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.300
know what? Fair. I can't say I can entirely argue.
884
00:53:53.909 --> 00:53:56.010
Before we go, I do want to say some nice
885
00:53:56.030 --> 00:53:57.889
things about Wes Craven that I believe to be true.
886
00:53:58.550 --> 00:54:02.269
You redefined the slasher genre. He pretty much redefined horror
887
00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:06.059
in the
80s. I think a large part of today's
888
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:10.739
horror owes itself to the Wes Craven effect. If you
889
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:12.760
make horror movies and you're not inspired by Wes Craven,
890
00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:16.860
I'm not entirely sure what the fuck inspired you then.
891
00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:19.769
I think the film industry is better off having had
892
00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:22.130
a Wes Craven in it than without it. I don't
893
00:54:22.150 --> 00:54:24.190
think a bad movie or maybe two or three bad
894
00:54:24.250 --> 00:54:29.989
movies makes you not an appreciated part of the film industry.
895
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.179
So for every negative thing I have to say about
896
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.420
Wes Craven, I'm so glad he made movies. Remember, I'm
897
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.659
not the world's biggest fan of the horror genre either,
898
00:54:37.269 --> 00:54:39.750
but I know good movies when I see them. And
899
00:54:39.849 --> 00:54:43.329
I think, you know, here's where I would put Wes Craven.
900
00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:46.650
I would put him next to George Lucas for the
901
00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:50.699
following reasons. I think both him, to me, him and
902
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.760
George Lucas are very similar. They both had really weird
903
00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:58.039
ideas that because they're both like autistic, can't explain to
904
00:54:58.099 --> 00:55:04.210
other people. And they absolutely have to depend on not
905
00:55:04.269 --> 00:55:08.050
officially diagnosing him. It's me being funny. But I think
906
00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:11.989
they have a hard time getting across their weirdo ideas
907
00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:14.469
to other people. And they're very much dependent on other
908
00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:18.070
craftsmen to make their ideas a reality on film. And
909
00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:20.440
it's sometimes very successful and other times not so much.
910
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.119
And sometimes, whatever it is they're thinking, it's just very
911
00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:27.800
hard to capture on screen. I think he's an extremely talented,
912
00:55:27.820 --> 00:55:30.670
creative person. who probably needs a good team around him
913
00:55:31.010 --> 00:55:34.739
to give him shape and purpose and direction, just like
914
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.860
George Lucas. I think when you leave him to his
915
00:55:36.900 --> 00:55:41.400
own devices, he's too much of a weirdo and a dreamer,
916
00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:46.090
no pun intended, to be as effective a storyteller as
917
00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:47.909
he needs to be. And I'll give you the last
918
00:55:47.949 --> 00:55:48.769
word on Wes Craven.
919
00:55:50.090 --> 00:55:53.070
All right. I've actually, I actually was thinking about this
920
00:55:53.150 --> 00:55:55.210
on my commute home from work because I knew this
921
00:55:55.250 --> 00:56:00.340
subject was going to come up. And, uh, while it
922
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:03.679
is more bittersweet than I can describe, I think it's
923
00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:07.340
oddly fitting that we're talking about Wes on the day
924
00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:11.449
that sadly we lost Sir Patrick Stewart and so close
925
00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:15.090
to when we just lost Dolly Parton. And that is
926
00:56:15.150 --> 00:56:19.510
because the kinship that I think he shares with those
927
00:56:19.610 --> 00:56:24.880
two and many more like them is the fact that
928
00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:33.449
he understood and championed things about his craft that have
929
00:56:33.469 --> 00:56:37.750
been fundamental to everything that has been great, that has
930
00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:42.880
been achieved in it. Like Patrick Stewart to acting and dramaturgy,
931
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:48.960
like Dolly Parton to music, especially country music, and particularly philanthropy.
932
00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:50.679
And I.
933
00:56:52.900 --> 00:56:55.659
Think that's the fact that we have to remember that
934
00:56:56.219 --> 00:57:01.760
As a horror filmmaker, Wes Craven was a contemporary to
935
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.340
the likes of Stephen King, to the likes of Clive Barker,
936
00:57:06.699 --> 00:57:10.380
to the likes of John Carpenter, to the like, well,
937
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:13.420
maybe there's a major difference between him and Sean Cunningham,
938
00:57:13.659 --> 00:57:15.449
but I think there's also a lot of great celebrities.
939
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:20.409
Dario Argento, God knows the list could go on. But
940
00:57:20.449 --> 00:57:26.179
the fact of the matter is, What set Wes apart
941
00:57:26.900 --> 00:57:31.400
as the filmmaker that horror filmmakers after him strove to
942
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.099
emulate and equal and to pursue was the fact that
943
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:41.300
Wes was a storyteller first. That's not to say that
944
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:45.159
he didn't love him a good spectacle. God knows he is,
945
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:47.510
and I would be stupid to try to claim otherwise.
946
00:57:48.630 --> 00:57:53.329
But the fact is, almost everything that he did on
947
00:57:53.510 --> 00:57:58.579
screen was meant to manipulate the things that he came
948
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:04.719
to under to understood made human beings uncomfortable that stoked
949
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.110
their fears that connected with them on a primal level
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his greatest creation freddy krueger was an incredible amalgamation of
951
00:58:17.309 --> 00:58:23.380
some of wes's own childhood trauma And the very real
952
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.400
tragic trauma that was affecting Hmong immigrants in the 80s
953
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:35.019
who had been displaced and traumatized and had to take
954
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.699
refuge in the United States. And many of them weren't
955
00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:46.340
sleeping and were dying in their sleep after some period
956
00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:49.610
of time of complaining of vivid nightmares. And some were
957
00:58:49.650 --> 00:58:52.510
dying because they knew what was going on and they
958
00:58:52.550 --> 00:58:55.739
were afraid to try to sleep. And so they were
959
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.500
keeping themselves up for extremely dangerous lengths of time. And
960
00:59:01.539 --> 00:59:07.570
we're talking about a movie that serendipitously, absolutely lightning in
961
00:59:07.590 --> 00:59:11.090
a bottle, its original premise. premise was supposed to be
962
00:59:11.130 --> 00:59:14.349
this was not a child killer this was a child
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00:59:14.630 --> 00:59:20.610
molester and it just so happened at the time that
964
00:59:21.949 --> 00:59:27.780
this was going on during a very very famous preschool
965
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:32.739
age sex abuse scandal that rocked the entire nation. And
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00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:36.000
that was why he and Bob Shea made a decision
967
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.380
that I believe was equal parts good faith and good business. Okay,
968
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.739
we can't go that far with this movie. It's going
969
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:48.840
to look terrible. And I have to think that for
970
00:59:48.909 --> 00:59:51.530
as good-hearted a man as Wes was known to be,
971
00:59:51.969 --> 00:59:54.789
he had to know I couldn't live with myself feeling
972
00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:58.460
like I exploded. like I might have exploited this, and
973
00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.380
like my success might have piggybacked off the sensation of
974
01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:07.849
this tragedy. And that was Wes at his absolute best.
975
01:00:08.170 --> 01:00:12.210
Was he always at his absolute best? Fuck no. These
976
01:00:12.289 --> 01:00:16.050
aren't the only disappointing movies we could probably bring up.
977
01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:26.280
But at his best. Wes was a cerebral, often empathetic, compassionate...
978
01:00:26.130 --> 01:00:33.690
very introspective man whose best work reflected on the darkest
979
01:00:33.809 --> 01:00:39.380
realities of humanity. By all means, feel free to go
980
01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:46.900
watch Last House on the Left. On the things that
981
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:54.900
make in particular, you know, Seemingly smug, superior, suburban white men,
982
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:58.840
uncomfortable to travel into unknown spaces where they're the outsider.
983
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:07.019
See The Hills Have Eyes. We've talked to death about
984
01:01:07.099 --> 01:01:13.219
Nightmare on Elm Street. He kind of found his resolution there,
985
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:17.079
and he went on to really make a whole series
986
01:01:17.139 --> 01:01:21.530
of movies that meditates on the evolution of a genre
987
01:01:21.570 --> 01:01:24.590
that he was one of the forefathers of and how
988
01:01:24.670 --> 01:01:27.769
it shaped and how it shaped culture and how the
989
01:01:27.809 --> 01:01:31.360
way it shaped culture might be backfiring on us. And
990
01:01:31.429 --> 01:01:33.900
sometimes he just made movies that were just kind of
991
01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:37.079
out of no, out of nowhere and imaginative. They were
992
01:01:37.099 --> 01:01:41.420
just kind of his personal passion projects, you know, like some,
993
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:44.360
like some of these and sometimes they work and sometimes
994
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:50.630
they didn't. But the fact is, There are filmmakers nowadays,
995
01:01:51.369 --> 01:01:53.469
now that horror is having a moment, who are really
996
01:01:53.530 --> 01:01:55.710
bringing a lot of that back. And I truly believe
997
01:01:55.730 --> 01:02:01.469
that's why horror is thriving again, is because you have
998
01:02:01.550 --> 01:02:10.110
the likes of Ryan Coogler's and Mike Flanagan's and Zach
999
01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:15.099
Crager's and more. who are making more movies, that are
1000
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.320
getting back to the roots, who are getting back to
1001
01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:21.559
the Romeros and the Carpenters and the Cravens and the
1002
01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:25.320
Barkers and really getting back to capturing the essence of
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01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:28.500
what makes human beings afraid and sometimes using that to
1004
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:33.239
say uncomfortable things. That's ambition. And here I'm going to
1005
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.440
be a little bit divisive because I'm a horror fan.
1006
01:02:35.969 --> 01:02:38.429
And I sometimes hate to think of the impact that
1007
01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:43.789
creepy pasta and, you know, good ideas from analog horror
1008
01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:48.280
that the people who followed local 58 then took and
1009
01:02:48.340 --> 01:02:51.460
then just kind of did badly again and again and again.
1010
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.400
Like it's watching a bunch of indie guys do the
1011
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.579
DDT until well shit. Now Jake Roberts DDT looks even better.
1012
01:02:58.940 --> 01:03:01.679
Now ours looks even better because we've seen how shitty
1013
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.360
you all do it. They made it look like they
1014
01:03:04.469 --> 01:03:08.360
actually killed somebody. Go ahead. Take a drink. I'll wait. No,
1015
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:08.940
I won't.
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01:03:09.139 --> 01:03:09.599
Ha ha.
1017
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.179
You know, I feel like the jump scares have maybe
1018
01:03:15.219 --> 01:03:17.519
gotten a little bit better. The moods and the aesthetics
1019
01:03:17.579 --> 01:03:20.980
have gotten inventive. Well done. But you've also lost the
1020
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:25.280
heart of horror. We hadn't had a good alien in
1021
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:30.840
a while until recently. We hadn't had something like Obsession
1022
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.090
until recently. that touched on something that needed to be
1023
01:03:34.170 --> 01:03:37.630
said exactly the way it's been said. And lo and behold,
1024
01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:42.429
now even that is being fucked up. We've had movies
1025
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:48.400
like Get Out, like It Follows, but we've also had
1026
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:53.179
some really great spectacle movies like the most recent Resident Evil.
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01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.559
We've had movies get really fantastic remakes for the modern age.
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01:03:59.619 --> 01:04:01.599
I think we're better than anybody expected them to be.
1029
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:07.119
like it, like Nosferatu. I think horror's great right now,
1030
01:04:07.179 --> 01:04:09.280
but my final word on this, I know I stretched
1031
01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:12.449
on for a long time, is if you want to
1032
01:04:12.530 --> 01:04:15.510
make great horror, if this is something that you want
1033
01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:19.530
to do, and I say this as a fan, I
1034
01:04:19.630 --> 01:04:25.190
am pleading with you. I'm glad that analog horror and
1035
01:04:25.230 --> 01:04:29.309
mascot horror and creepypasta got you on board. Well done. Now,
1036
01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:33.900
Go fucking watch hours on end of dead meat and
1037
01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:37.420
listen to the dead meat podcast and go absorb the
1038
01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:42.840
true masters of horror to understand what makes, to makes
1039
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.780
it work, to understand the rules, like to learn the
1040
01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:48.460
rules like a novice. You can eventually break them like
1041
01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:53.320
a master. Please go and do that. Go carry on
1042
01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:58.360
the legacy because unfortunately with Dolly Parton, dies another big
1043
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:02.639
heart of a great country tradition that was already on
1044
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:07.369
life support. With the death of Patrick Stewart, there just
1045
01:05:07.610 --> 01:05:10.809
are not many actors left quite like him and Sir
1046
01:05:11.030 --> 01:05:16.630
Ian McKellen, who were contemporaries of Laurence Olivier and Sir
1047
01:05:16.809 --> 01:05:21.010
Alec Guinness. That is a tradition that is going by
1048
01:05:21.050 --> 01:05:25.849
the wayside. Please appreciate the masters while they're still alive.
1049
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.440
while they're still around. Fuck, we talk about professional wrestling
1050
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.139
all the time. Enjoy CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns,
1051
01:05:34.179 --> 01:05:38.599
The Usos, Seth Rollins, FTR, all of them while you last.
1052
01:05:38.780 --> 01:05:42.409
Because every single one I just mentioned all said, hey,
1053
01:05:42.889 --> 01:05:45.510
the end's coming and it's coming sooner than you think.
1054
01:05:46.690 --> 01:05:52.329
And frankly, while I believe in embracing the present, there's
1055
01:05:52.369 --> 01:05:54.349
a lot that I doesn't think feel like deserves to
1056
01:05:54.389 -->
01:05:55.210
be lost in art.
1057
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:01.000
All right. Thank you, Sean. Well, that is our review
1058
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.559
of our director focus on Wes Craven and our reviews
1059
01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:08.809
of Shocker, Vampire in Brooklyn, and my soul to take.
1060
01:06:12.489 --> 01:06:14.070
Jesus fucking Christ, are you okay?
1061
01:06:15.550 --> 01:06:18.010
Yeah, I just went to go kind of cross my
1062
01:06:18.050 --> 01:06:19.699
legs the other way and I kicked the little table
1063
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:20.840
that my laptop was on.
1064
01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:25.739
All righty. All right, so this is a busy week. Sunday,
1065
01:06:25.820 --> 01:06:29.820
myself and Alexis Haina reviewed Monster, the Lizzie Borden story.
1066
01:06:31.659 --> 01:06:36.190
On Monday was our review of Clayface. Tuesday, Alexis did
1067
01:06:36.230 --> 01:06:42.530
a triple feature of Iron Lung, Obsession, and Backrooms. Wednesday,
1068
01:06:42.610 --> 01:06:52.360
she reviewed Camp Crystal Lake, which brings us to tonight. Okay. Monday,
1069
01:06:52.380 --> 01:06:55.420
we're back. We'll be doing another triple feature. This will
1070
01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:01.000
be a streaming movie catch-up. Matchbox, the movie, Sacrifice and Animals.
1071
01:07:02.139 --> 01:07:05.239
But those last two are on Netflix. DMU Hollywood comes
1072
01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:07.610
in a day late, a dollar short. Alexis will be hosting.
1073
01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:11.250
It'll be her, Robert Winfrey, and Zach Strobel, who has...
1074
01:07:12.010 --> 01:07:14.630
Zach Strobel, the diva. Zach Strobel, who has asked me
1075
01:07:14.650 --> 01:07:17.690
to not have a comment across his face. Zach Strobel,
1076
01:07:17.730 --> 01:07:20.469
who will have a throne built of gold for him
1077
01:07:20.489 --> 01:07:23.590
to sit on. Zach Strobel. First base, Zach Strobel, second base.
1078
01:07:24.050 --> 01:07:28.530
Zach Strobel will be joining them on a review of Wildwood. Ooh, baby, baby,
1079
01:07:28.590 --> 01:07:35.000
it's a Wildwood. Thursday, Jesse and I return to sessions.
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01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:39.199
We will be taking reviews of Band of Brothers, The Pacific,
1081
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:41.440
and Masters of the Sky, and turning it into a
1082
01:07:41.539 --> 01:07:47.369
Sabaton-esque appreciation of our veterans called Tanks for the Memories.
1083
01:07:47.949 --> 01:07:51.469
Tanks for the Memories, Sean. Jesse named that one. I
1084
01:07:51.489 --> 01:07:52.769
told him what we were doing and he just goes,
1085
01:07:52.789 --> 01:07:58.420
thanks for the memories. And because I am also mentally ill,
1086
01:07:58.659 --> 01:08:00.179
I was like, that's it. That's the name of the song.
1087
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:01.780
And he was like, no, I was kidding. It was
1088
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.099
too late by then. As for when Sean will be back,
1089
01:08:05.139 --> 01:08:09.559
unless Sean comes back earlier, December 3rd, our next director
1090
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.000
focus will be, this has been a long time coming.
1091
01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:14.380
This guy, I don't know why I waited this long.
1092
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.479
When I started doing director focuses, like this was on
1093
01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:19.899
the shortlist of guys I wanted to do. And we
1094
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:23.060
somehow got distracted by every other director and everything else.
1095
01:08:23.659 --> 01:08:27.340
But we are finally getting around to one of my,
1096
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.350
if not my absolute favorite director of all time, probably
1097
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:32.149
the guy that made me the film snob that I
1098
01:08:32.229 --> 01:08:35.130
am today, Quentin Tarantino. We're going to be looking at
1099
01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:37.369
one of my favorite movies of all time, Reservoir Dogs,
1100
01:08:37.470 --> 01:08:41.189
Pulp Fiction, and Inglourious Bastards. And if you're wondering, why
1101
01:08:41.229 --> 01:08:44.970
not Django Unchained? Because that deserves an on trial. It
1102
01:08:45.010 --> 01:08:47.310
does not deserve to be shoved in with two other movies.
1103
01:08:48.810 --> 01:08:50.909
Why not Kill Bill? Because that's two movies.
1104
01:08:51.899 --> 01:08:55.300
Yep. And I think we've... And we already talked about
1105
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:56.020
Jackie Brown.
1106
01:08:56.260 --> 01:08:59.689
We did Jackie Brown. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
1107
01:08:59.710 --> 01:09:02.439
was already... covered. The Hateful Eight was already covered. So
1108
01:09:02.939 --> 01:09:04.319
that narrowed the list down a bit.
1109
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.250
Well, and besides, we wanted to get back to the
1110
01:09:07.310 --> 01:09:12.609
movies that were kind of the most quintessential Tarantino. And
1111
01:09:12.689 --> 01:09:14.930
when I think of movies that I would want to
1112
01:09:15.050 --> 01:09:18.609
show somebody to go... this is what you can really
1113
01:09:18.670 --> 01:09:22.560
expect if you decide to keep going. It would have
1114
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:27.439
to be. I could see maybe someone preferring one or
1115
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:33.260
the other over Inglorious Bastards, but quite frankly, I think
1116
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:37.329
that one is about as Tarantino turned up to 11
1117
01:09:37.329 --> 01:09:38.289
as you can get.
1118
01:09:38.350 --> 01:09:42.569
There's an argument for Jango Unchained, but again, can I
1119
01:09:42.829 --> 01:09:45.550
spend 20 minutes talking about Inglorious Bastards and be satisfied
1120
01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:45.829
with that?
1121
01:09:46.149 --> 01:09:46.310
Yes.
1122
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.880
Could I spend 20 minutes talking about Django Unchained and
1123
01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:53.159
be satisfied with it? Absolutely fucking not. Every frame of
1124
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:55.220
that movie deserves discussion.
1125
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.340
That's
such a great movie.
1126
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.689
You know how often these days, I quote it in
1127
01:10:00.729 --> 01:10:04.630
therapy sessions, you know, when somebody's not making themselves clear
1128
01:10:04.670 --> 01:10:09.430
or they're being contradictory in their wants and needs, my
1129
01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:13.170
refrain is to repeat what the slave girl says in
1130
01:10:13.289 --> 01:10:15.739
Django Unchained. Well, then I don't know what you want,
1131
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.500
Big Daddy. Let me tell you how that's become, like,
1132
01:10:18.579 --> 01:10:22.890
my line now. Because deep inside, I am a poor
1133
01:10:23.010 --> 01:10:28.489
black slave woman. So, with that bit of uncomfortableness out
1134
01:10:28.510 --> 01:10:31.510
of the way, yes, we'll be coming back at December
1135
01:10:31.750 --> 01:10:35.340
3rd for Quentin Tarantino, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and Inglorious Bastards.
1136
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:37.659
That's what I got going on over here. What do
1137
01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:38.659
you got going on over there?
1138
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.659
Well, as I told Martin before the show, I'm going
1139
01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:47.609
through a really hard time right now. So it's kind
1140
01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:49.329
of hard for me to keep a whole lot going.
1141
01:10:49.689 --> 01:10:54.390
Mostly I'm focusing on completing my education and navigating a
1142
01:10:54.430 --> 01:10:57.680
job that I am learning to hate just a little
1143
01:10:57.699 --> 01:11:01.359
bit more every day. But at the same time, it's
1144
01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:05.640
also got me wanting to keep myself out of that
1145
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:12.130
depressive spiral by leaning into creativity. And with the recent
1146
01:11:12.449 --> 01:11:20.119
unfortunate passing of BioWare, Of course, the creators of Star Wars,
1147
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.050
Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age, and my beloved
1148
01:11:23.069 --> 01:11:30.090
Mass Effect. I looked at the calendar and I realized, huh,
1149
01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:36.460
N7 day, the first N7 day without a Bioware falls
1150
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.140
on a Saturday, which now happens to be one of
1151
01:11:40.180 --> 01:11:44.899
my ongoing days off every week. I got nothing going
1152
01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:49.279
on that day. And I think this might have been
1153
01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:50.960
the kick in the ass that I needed to get
1154
01:11:50.979 --> 01:11:54.800
me back streaming again. So I'm going to try. I'm
1155
01:11:54.939 --> 01:11:57.880
trying to kind of figure out the logistics of maybe
1156
01:11:57.899 --> 01:12:02.479
doing an all-day stream on Saturday. And it may be,
1157
01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:06.079
for the first time in years, I have not played
1158
01:12:06.100 --> 01:12:12.149
the games in years, the entire full original Mass Effect trilogy.
1159
01:12:12.810 --> 01:12:18.930
We'll get to Andromeda eventually. But... God, there were years
1160
01:12:18.970 --> 01:12:21.850
where that was a yearly event for me and I
1161
01:12:21.899 --> 01:12:25.119
haven't done it in so long because life got so
1162
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.460
turbulent and sometimes so tragic. I feel like I need
1163
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.779
that now more than ever. So I would say good chance,
1164
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:38.329
probably sometime around 8 a.m. Central time on November 7th. Um,
1165
01:12:39.090 --> 01:12:41.329
address is right there on the screen. So no excuses,
1166
01:12:42.189 --> 01:12:46.140
you know where to be. Um, We will be starting
1167
01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:51.220
a completely fresh profile in the original Mass Effect, and
1168
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.520
it may take several streams to do it. I guarantee
1169
01:12:53.550 --> 01:12:55.550
it will take several streams to do it. I can't
1170
01:12:55.590 --> 01:12:58.250
take that much time off work to do the entire
1171
01:12:58.270 --> 01:13:00.470
thing in one setting, and I'm not getting paid enough
1172
01:13:00.510 --> 01:13:04.350
to do that. But we are going to go through
1173
01:13:04.369 --> 01:13:06.250
the entire trilogy.
1174
01:13:07.329 --> 01:13:12.600
All right. Well, for Sean, I'm watching the Packers dominate
1175
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:17.020
the Panthers. Be well, be safe, and behave. And happy Halloween, everybody.
1176
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:27.960
Got to get, got to get, got to, got to go.