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Listeners of a certain vintage will immediately recognize this. That's right, folks,
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it's the Jetsums. You can picture it, can't you. An
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animated sitcom with all the cultural trappings of nineteen sixty two,
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the year it premiered in prime time on ABC, but
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set in the technological wonderland of twenty sixty two, a
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world of personal jetpacks, automated kitchens, matronly robotic housekeepers, and
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of course, flying cars. The show was literally the very
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picture of technological optimism, a mindset that was widely embraced
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by Americans at the dawn of the space Age. For
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baby boomers and for many of us their gen X children,
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it was an intoxicating and influential picture. Technology would only
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get better and more impressive, and the act of improving
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technologies would be happier, healthier lives for everybody. As the
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twentieth century drew to a close, however, some of this
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optimism started to wane. By the early nineteen eighties, more
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dystopian visions of a high tech future began to influence
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our cultural imagination. Movies like Blade Runner and The Terminator
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made the average American more conscious of the possibility that
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technology could progress in ways that would prove to be harmful,
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even terrifying. The machines might bring misery rather than prosperity.
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Of course, it's a bit misleading to speak exclusively of
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the machines when we talk about this stuff. Over the
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last thirty years, a new technological frontier has emerged organic
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life itself. In nineteen ninety six, Dolly the sheep was
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cloned via a process known as somatic cell nuclear transfer.
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In two thousand and three, the Human Genome Project completed
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its comprehensive map of human DNA, spelling out the biochemical
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instructions for building a human being. Within a decade of
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that accomplishment, the Crisper gene editing tool have made it
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possible for scientists to easily and precisely make changes to
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an organism's genetic code. In twenty twenty four, a man
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named Nolan Arbaugh had a microchip been planted in his
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brain that enabled him to play chess on a computer
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using nothing but his thoughts. Examples could be multiplied, but
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you get the idea. Like it or not, friends, we
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live in what some have called the biotech century. Should
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we be thrilled? Are we on the verge of a
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genetically engineered biotechnological utopia, or should we be deeply troubled
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recognizing we stand on a precipice to fall off of
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which would mean the end of humanity itself. These are
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difficult and important questions, and I, for one, am reluctant
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to even attempt to answer them without the help of
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a drink or three and a couple of smart friends
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to discuss them with. Fortunately, that's precisely what I've got.
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So whether you're a card carrying transhumanist wondering whether android's
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dream of electric sheep, or technophobic ludite trying to figure
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out whether or not you're too old to become amish,
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stick around for this one. I'm Matt Jordan. This is
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the Three Questions, Three Drinks podcast. Welcome to the conversation.
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Hello all you genetically enhanced members of three Q three
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D Nation. We've got some heady stuff to talk about today,
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and I'm glad to be back in the role of
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host with my friends and podcasting colleagues Chris Michael A
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and Amanda Adams. Both of them have tremendous firsthand experience
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with biotechnology. As Chris is in negotiations with the Cleveland
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Clinic for the rights through the genetic code for his hair,
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and Amanda recently underwent a procedure to merge her own
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genome with that of a black caped chickadee so she
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could more accurately communicate with her many Woodland friends. Hi,
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Chris and Amanda, Welcome to your bowl. Thanks for being.
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Here, Thanks for having us. I have been.
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Offered multiple billions for this hair, and I refuse.
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Well, no, it's not for.
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Saying is interested and other companies like.
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That hold out. I think your principal
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stance is an
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admirates right, but I have integrity.
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It's called integrity people, and beautiful air. Well.
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Hey, for anybody who's listening for the first time, well
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you are in for a treat. Every new episode of
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the Three Questions, Three Drinks podcast is your own personal
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invitation to a cocktail party for inquisitive people, where we
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pour a few drinks, ask a few questions about a
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thought provoking topic, and stir it all up into a
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conversation that you feel like you're a part of. I
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think it's more interesting with every sip, and our first
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question today is one that I have wondered about for
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a long time. I'm going to lead us off if
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you guys don't mind.
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You're doing a great job so far. Honestly, you're hired.
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Thanks for a second. Can you say, like broadly what
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our topic is before the question?
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See, maybe I'm not doing such a great job.
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No you are. I mean that intro was ten out
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of ten.
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Yeah, so we were kicking around some possible themes. You
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would actually got the ball rolling. So they have got
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some weird questions. And I sort of noticed that a
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lot of the weird questions that you had kind of
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pitched as possible conversation starters were broadly connected to this
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emerging world of biotechnology, right, the ability of scientists, of doctors,
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of people wearing white lab coats to do weird and
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potentially awesome and frightening things to human beings and other animals.
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So is that a topic? Can I?
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I think so?
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So it's sort of like weird ethical questions regarding technology
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and humanity and.
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Technology and humanity. Right, So the biotech stuff got them. Yeah,
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we're talking about what it means to live in the
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biotech century.
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Yeah, I thought your Jetson's analogy was apt.
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Well, thank you, thank you. But you know, the Jetsons,
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it's interesting because they
were not bioengineered. All of their
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tech was the kind of stuff. Yeah, you would easily
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imagine in the late fifths in early sixties.
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Right.
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It was just like a high tech version of American
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life in nineteen sixty two, right, Like social roles changed,
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nothing fundamentally different.
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I didn't realize that it was tech set in twenty
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sixty two, which feasibly we could see.
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Man, I don't think about that, but that is true.
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I was struck because I of course looked that up
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on Wikipedia. I'm not a huge Jetsons fan. I didn't
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know off the top of my head when exactly the
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Jetsons started, but it immediately struck me that we are
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closer in time to twenty sixty two than the pilot
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episode of The Jetsons.
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In nineteen sixty Yeah. A lot closer.
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Yeah, which is terrifying. I think it is terfing. But
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any hell, you know what I said question, Well, I
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got a little too fast. Yeah. I started to talking
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about my question because I'm so excited. But let's start
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with a drink, shall we please. So I'm excited. I've
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made a beverage that I have never ever had before,
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but a good friend of mine has recommended my friend Kevin,
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who also made this drink possible today, actually because it
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includes a very difficult to get ingredients. It's made with chartruse,
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which I'm not even sure where you get it, but
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apparently it's very difficult. Chris, you're looking like you know
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how to get shirt.
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Well, two things. Number one, Shartruce is widely available. Yeah,
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I mean they say it attack me which is our
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local grocery store.
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Oh my gosh, but I thought I thought you were
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going to thank me for making it possible, because you did.
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You not text me beforehand saying do you have any
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Maraschino Liqueur? And I said I do, And then you
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said you also that being I could borrow some, and
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I said I'll have to think about it, and I
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finally relented.
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So I would like to publicly apologie in front of
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all of our friends who are listening. Chris, I'm so
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sorry this drink was made possible both by Kevin, who
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turns out to be a liar about how hard it
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is to get shartruse, and Chris, who's Marshino Liqueur Lexarto
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and you're welcome. Really save the day. So on this
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uplifting note. What I've made here is a last word.
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The last equal parts dry gin chartreuse, Lexardo cherry liqueur
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and freshly square used lime juice. So it looks so good.
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You did such a great and you may want to
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note you've got a Lusardo cherry on the little spear
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of it. Just looks such a beautiful drink in this.
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We couldn't check the three Q, three D social media.
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Yes at three Drinks podcasts.
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I also love these glasses.
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I just want to say, I love a good coop
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a coop man that is delicious. Kevin, in spite of
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your lying, I believe you again.
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I love this drink so much.
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Is amazing.
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It's very good, excellent. It's one of my favorite cocktails.
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It's a go to if I'm traveling somewhere and you
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see it here and there on menus, and most decent
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bars will have the ingredients to make it. And I
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do this once in a while if i'm if I'm
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out like a fancy speakeasy or something.
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It's a good one.
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It is highly recommended.
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All right.
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So now that our our our our palets and our
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minds have been enhanced by this beverage. I've got a
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question that ballpark that I wanted to ask, something that
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is rapidly becoming a real possibility. I mean, all of
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us have kids. It's likely that at some point in
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the maybe not too distant future, we will be grandparents ourselves,
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and a question that some of our kids may have
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to wrestle with
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have children, but whether it whether it's a good idea
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to use the tools of genetic engineering to give them,
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you know, better skills. Should parents be allowed This is
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my question. Should parents be allowed to genetically enhance their kids?
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Should parents be allowed to genetically enhance their kids? Wow?
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I mean this that's a big question, and it has.
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A there's a lot of like what counts as genetically enhanced?
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Right? So, I mean.
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This is a really heavy thing to say right off
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the bat, but I mean we're already doing it to
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some degree when you think about it, when you think
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about when you know we're all parents here, and I'm
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assuming you guys did this too. Where we went when
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when my wife was pregnant, we went and they did
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the tests for certain birth effects or you know, like
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spina bifida or some things like that.
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Did not do that?
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Okay, because I actually I think we could.
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Yeah, right, So the main reason why people sure.
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Test right, and that's my point is in a way,
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we're sort of engineering out some genetic Uh I guess
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what's the word like marks?
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Where I mean something close to ninety percent of Down
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syndrome babies are aborted.
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And so you know, I think the question boy, but.
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The fact that something is being done hardly makes it
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a good thing. I mean, all of us will agree
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on that.
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Sure, But I think your question is more about like
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if you could, Well, it's to me it's twofold, like
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could you if you could engineer out, for example, cystic fibrosis,
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would you choose to do that and eliminate that possibility
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versus also if you could engineer in blue eyes or
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an athleticism or a.
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Char So let me sharpen the question a little bit,
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because you're right about that, and Amanda, you were
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at it in your initial comment. Right, you can make
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a distinction between therapeutic treatments and enhancements. It's very difficult
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to figure out how to draw that line in a
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kind of principled way. But if we set that problem aside,
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just for the sake of this conversation and say, look,
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there's some things that do seem to clearly count as enhancements.
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If if we you know, we joke about well, actually
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it's not joking that Chris has magnificent hair and I'm
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tragically bald.
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But I'm also not very tall like you are six two.
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So like if Chris wanted to engineer his kids to
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be six to two, if I wanted to engineer our
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kids to have beautiful flowing locks.
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Can you imagine your kids?
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Do we should have had a kid together? We still.
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I'm a little bit un I'm a little bit rock
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and roll. You two are on the verge of a duet.
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I can't wait to hear it.
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Well maybe maybe after the third okay, lights down a little,
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but so, recognizing that it's tough to draw a hard
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and fast line between therapy and enhancements, there are some
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things that surely clearly count as enhancements, and I'm wondering
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about those should we allow, granted that the technology will
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exist soon for already.
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Does I'm sure it already does in some ways.
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Right, Yeah, I mean you can engineer in certain things
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like eye color, and I imagine at some point IQ
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to some degree.
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Well that's that's one of the things that people wonder about.
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can that we figure out how to raise somebody's IQ
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by manipulating the genome when they're just you know, a blastocyst,
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when they're just a handful of cells.
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thing to think about, and it's a and get at
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the sort of essential part of that question is that
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anytime you start talking about these things, the question of
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like who gets it right, like in terms of different
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socioeconomics exactly exactly, that's what I mean. Who's making those choices?
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Who gets it, who doesn't? And are you then perpet
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like we already obviously have a kind of unequal system
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in lots of ways, like it it exacerbates that right
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in serious ways, So that that's like that doesn't get
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at the central like is it ethical?
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deciding whether ought to be allowed, right, and it's one
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of the main ones. I mean, what would happen if
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if we acknowledge, the degree to which people think this
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is a bad thing, you know, varies widely, but nobody
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denies that there's a pretty big gap between the haves
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and the have nots in our society. And it sure
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seems inevitable that unless you're going to have some kind
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of like top down government mandates, if these technologies are
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widely available, that they're not going to be free, right,
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tons of built advantagers, already send their kids to you know,
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private lessons for this and this and that and the
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best schools and blah blah blah. They're gonna be the
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same people who are then able to genetically engineer their
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kids to be these superhumans while the rest of us
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shlubs are are left, you know, cleaning toilets for a
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living because we can't compete in the in the job
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market or whatever, right, or the relationship market or.
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H I mean, my immediate reaction is the first of all,
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the kid doesn't get to choose, and so like if
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you engineered in like, I want this kid to be
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athletic and strong or something, And what if they all
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they wanted to.
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Do was paint and didn't care, you know, And he's
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like I didn't or she I
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in this.
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on the table. And this is a question I've thought
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about a bit, and I'm I am deeply opposed to
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these genetic enhancements. And for me, the main issue is
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what it does to both are our conception of of
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what and who children are and the significance of parenting
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and the nature of the parent child relationship. And so
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I think Chris, you're getting one of the things that
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really matters here. If you're a parent and you spent
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like twenty grand on engineering your kid to be a
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Division one football player and he just wants to paint
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right damps or sing or whatever, Like, what does that
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do to that relationship? That's just one of a million
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of those.
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It also already is going on in a way if
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you think about if you think about it, it's already
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kind of being done. And that haves and have nots.
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I mean, even like superficially cosmetically. You think about people
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that get botox or lip fillers or boob jobs.
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People that it's more rare for people to do that
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to their kids.
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So what I'm saying is like, and by the way,
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like your point about raising your kid to get the
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best coaching, be on the travel teams, all those things,
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so that you're hoping they get a Division one scholarship.
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Here instead, it's like you're starting before the kids even born,
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Like you're making right now. People are doing it like
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crazy after the kid is born. But here you're going like,
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I'm actually going to take a step backward and started earlier.
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I hate that because I think it's stupid.
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Now no, and it diminishes some of our pursuit of excellence.
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I mean when you were talking about the travel teams
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and all that kind of stuff, I mean immediately righted
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one of my favorite movies, Gatica. Have you seen Gattika
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a long.
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Time ago, so I don't remember the details, but I
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remember the main thing.
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Yeah, it's really good listeners if you have not seen Gatika,
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totally worth watching. Just a great film in its own right,
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but it raises a lot of these questions and one
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of the things, you know, at the risk of a spoiler,
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forgive me, but The movie is almost thirty years old
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at this point, but one of the main characters is
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somebody who was genetically engineered to be a world class swimmer,
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and it turns out at some point in the movie
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that he won the silver medal at the Olympics and
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that ruined his life because the only thing his life
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was ever about was being the best, and suddenly he
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was the second best.
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His life no longer had any meaning or coherence, and
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it just really interesting. But Amanda, you right to say
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something when I started talking about movies from the nineties, I.
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Always have something to say about movies from the nineties. No,
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I guess, like I am with you, I wholly oppose
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them as well. Like I think I think it's on
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the enhancement side. I think it's much thornier on the
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other side. But no, I think that all the things
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that people talk about, like our examples we've been throwing out,
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like genetically engineering someone to be the best athlete or IQ,
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to me, these are not these are not problems, like
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that's not the problem with our society, like we don't
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have good enough athletes, or like people with high IQs
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like and so it's a purely individualist vision of the
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world where you want your kid to get the most
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of the pot of the pie, right like you want
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them to win all the competitions, or you want them
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to be the most beautiful, be the most beautiful or whatever,
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and like that kind of thinking is so offensive to me.
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like like you said, we're already do like that. That's
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not the best part of us. I would say our
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society where like where people are like no, no, and no,
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put throwing their kids into a million things to make
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them like the most, you know, like like just a
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sort of capitalist dream child. I don't know like that
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that to me, like I have like I'm not interested
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in that. So and it's yeah, I.
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Mean, look, I think for me, the central thing, if
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there's only one objection I was going to raise two,
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genetic enhancements for children is right in that ballpark, and
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it fits with a kind of contemporary American sensibility where
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it involves treating people as mere things.
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is just another commodity like sort of an accessory to
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a well lived life. And you want to get the
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best possible one, and the way that changes how you
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think about a child, right, I mean traditionally, and you
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know it's no secret that I'm Catholic, obviously, but I
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don't think you have to share any of my religious
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convictions for this to resonate. Like, traditionally people have thought
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of children as a gift to be received. You don't
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get to pick and choose whether you have a boy
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or a girl, what color hair, whether they're healthy or sick. Like,
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the child is a gift, and you receive that gift
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and care for it and love it and do your
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best to help that child become a healthy, flourishing adult.
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And the whole idea of genetic engineering seems to invert
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that whole picture, where the child is a product, where
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you're a consumer and you're now like, you know, ordering
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something to your preferred specifications that cannot be healthy. That
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to me seems to decy something deeply human and important.
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was just just to underscore that, like, and I
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don't share your religious convictions, but I agree with you
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on all that, And I think the like, like having
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children is one of the best lessons we have right
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to it, like about our lack of control over things
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right as human beings, and like it's a fiction that
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we can control everything, and there's so much about our
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lives that tell as we can. That's technological and the
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other things too. And I think that sort of the
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humility of being a parent, right is like seeing that
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you have this this person who is wholly different from you,
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and yes, of course it matters what you do and
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how you affect them, but like they are, you can't
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control them, right, And that that fiction of sort of
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like I can, I can exert my will in the world,
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I think is a dangerous one.
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So I feel like I'm going to I could potentially
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get weirdly emotional about this, so I apologize in advance.
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But I was just thinking about how when you said,
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Matt that you you know, you don't get to choose
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like your kid just you get what you get. And
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I think it's a great lesson you know that your
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kid isn't exactly like you, and that's you know, and
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it's ultimately hopefully a good thing for you to learn.
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But you know, my one son, Max is Type one
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diabetic and he was diagnosed in he is three, and
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I think about, like, if I could have prevented it,
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Like if there was a something I could have done
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to sign And this is a little bit to your
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your original point about well, there's a difference between therapeutic
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and right. But I also think, like, you know, would
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I change Max if I could, Like I would I
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stop that from happening?
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Now?
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Like knowing now what I know about how he's a
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tough kid and how he has he's an interesting kid
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and I just love him so much. And I think
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part of his diabetes doesn't define him, but it makes
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him more interesting. It makes him a lot of things
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that I think are unique that maybe wouldn't have happened
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had he not had the type one.
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So but at the same time, I desperately want a cure,
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like I desperately want a cure. So you know, I
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guess I wonder.
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Even if I could turn about the clock and there
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was a there was something I could do, would I
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do it?
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I don't know that I would.
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adult if you ask him that question. That's another interesting
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part of this, right, which is that you're like, one
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question is what would you do? But because that's the question,
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you're asking, like would you genetic? But like all of
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these questions of have to like, it's an interesting question
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about like consent and the person that's like right, who
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is it's affecting? They don't get to choose right, and
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so that's that's a whole other angle here. And he
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might who knows what he'd say right in twenty years,
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but it'd be you know, hmmm. So it's an interesting question.
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I do wonder when was the last time on this
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podcast that we got a really substantive question where all
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three of us just kind of agreed.
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Wow, I mean, yeah, here's the problem though. The problem
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is it feels like the toothpaste is out of the
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tube in that we're heading down a path where, yeah,
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this stuff is already possible in only going to get
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more published only yeah, and whether it gets outlawed in
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the United States, it might be legal in Singapore or
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somewhere else where you can go and say, you know what,
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I want this baby that is at these different traits.
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And so that's the that's the part that's scary. I
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think it feels like it's inevitable.
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Hey, I think
that we may have reached a point
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with this set of issues where certainly our kids, not
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us obviously, but our kids generation are going to have
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to decide whether to opt in or opt out, And
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opting out might mean choosing a harder life for the
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sake of something you think is overall better, And it's
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you know, that's an easy thing to say sitting in
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my position where I don't have to make that choice
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harder thing to do, right.
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I do think we sometimes underestimate agency though, like political agency.
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I mean people, we regulate things that we didn't that
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one hundred years became exactly so smoking is no longer
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you know, that's that's uncool. We regulated all social media
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use becomes uncol right, I mean, there are lots of things,
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and I think like there are real like policies we
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could put in place, And I understand what you're saying,
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Like globally that may not be the case, but like
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you know, it matters what the US does, like those
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things are. Yeah, So I just I think I don't
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think we should undersell our like power as a people.
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If we decided that we didn't like something, so power
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to the people.
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Fair enough, well, we I notice have all finished our
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last words. An excellent cocktail did we.
490
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Comment on it because it's delicious.
491
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.200
They're all empty and we drank them fast.
492
00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.799
It was great, which is a dangerous thing. By the
493
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way I learned is actually it's one hundred and ten proof.
494
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.160
Oh could have used the heads up on the No.
495
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There is half of lime juice and the Lexardo liqueur,
496
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but the other half is gin and chartreuse. So this
497
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is this is not a baby cocktail, though it has
498
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a pleasant fruity.
499
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Kind of well make it warm and fuzzy, though it's
500
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going to be.
501
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How about if we take a quick break and we're
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back with more three Q three D right after this,
503
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and we're back. Welcome to three Q three D. Everybody.
504
00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.039
We've got our next question coming up from the myth
505
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.720
of the Man the Legends. The creator of three Q
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three D, the usual host, none other than mister Christopher Michael.
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A christ Thank you, Matt.
508
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I have an interesting drink that I am sure has
509
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.200
never appeared on this podcast because I just learned about it.
510
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.720
When now this is gonna sound I'm gonna sound really
511
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full of myself in a second here. But so a
512
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couple of weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, I was
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in Hawaii in a Wahuu. My company has an office
514
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in Honolulu. It reports up to me, so I have
515
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to go out there once or twice a year. And
516
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.160
so I went out at the end of January. And
517
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.240
again this is like the second part where I'm making
518
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.839
myself even sound more ridiculous. But we had a night
519
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.319
a couple of colleagues and I where we drove up
520
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to the North Shore. If you've ever been to Waho,
521
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:47.920
the North Shore is you know, it's like the best
522
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surfing on planet Earth.
523
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It's like.
524
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.480
We're both shaking our head.
525
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.440
But there is a hotel up there that every time
526
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:56.640
I go out there, I'm like, we got to go
527
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to the Ritz Turtle Bay because the Ritz Carlton Turtle
528
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.079
Bay Resort has the best view of any.
529
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.039
Bar in the world, like number one in the world.
530
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.599
You sit at this bar and it has this in
531
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.839
the backdrop, is this bay with this crashing surf in
532
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.039
the sunset, and it is the most spectacular place to sit.
533
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And have a drink.
534
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We should, but I was lucky enough to be out
535
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there a couple of weeks ago, and I started talking
536
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to the bartender about the drinks that she likes, and
537
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.640
she was very proud of the one drink on the
538
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menu that she had made, and I said, tell me
539
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.799
about it, and she said, oh, I invented this when
540
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I went to Japan.
541
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.759
Okay, so
it's her. I cannot remember the woman's name.
542
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.519
She was a lovely bartender, but she made this drink
543
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.480
and I liked it so much that I put I
544
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asked her for the recipe and I put it in
545
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the notes in my phone and.
546
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She calls it a Sakura sunrise. Sakura in Japanese means
547
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cherry or cherry blossoms.
548
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And I've been watching a lot of Cobra Kai's, so
549
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:01.279
my Japanese is pretty good.
550
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.799
And uh again, this is the third way in just
551
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:09.079
a minute that I'm going to sound incredibly self important
552
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.359
or snobby or whatever you call it today. Yeah, thanks Amana.
553
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.720
In two days, I am so excited. I'm going with
554
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.720
a buddy of mine, actually two friends, but one who
555
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.519
is running the Tokyo Marathon. So I'm going to Japan
556
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:28.440
on Thursday Tuesday, and so I'm like into I'm reading
557
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.720
everything about Tokyo, everything about Japan, and just a couple
558
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.599
of weeks ago, this woman made this drink inspired by
559
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her time in Tokyo the Sakura Sunrise, which I loved.
560
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:43.480
I thought it was unique. It uses in The One
561
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.640
mistake I made is she used Roku gin, which is
562
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the Japanese gin Roku. I used a different gen here,
563
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so but forgive me. So this is one and a
564
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.000
half parts gin. It is a splash of Saint Germain.
565
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.880
It's some simple, simple syrup, three quarter of grapefruit juice,
566
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some freshly squeezed lemon juice. And here's the kicker. And
567
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.279
this is she made a point to tell me this
568
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at the bar. She and I had to order this
569
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on Amazon. But it's a special bitters called Scrappies Bitters.
570
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It is a lavender bitter and it takes each drink
571
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.440
uses a few splashes of this lavender bitter that I
572
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.359
got on Amazon. And I'm going to pour you this
573
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Sokura Sunrise, which is exciting.
574
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.079
I don't know what to expect.
575
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:33.920
I got this drink all day and I was like,
576
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.240
I couldn't even remember how much I liked it when
577
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:36.839
I was out there.
578
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.519
Other than I liked it, I couldn't remember what it
579
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:40.440
tasted like.
580
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.799
And all day I've been like, I can't wait till
581
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we do that Sakura sunrise again.
582
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.039
Well, okay, so which one do you want to? Man?
583
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:54.680
I have? Okay, okay, all right, so here you go.
584
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.440
How do you say hello? In Japanese?
585
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:03.079
I should look that up, yes, and in Hawaiian.
586
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:03.400
It means.
587
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:10.240
All right, well here you go, cheers, friends, cheers. Okay, alright,
588
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.759
the sakuras sunrise. Oh you know, I was going to
589
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:14.839
say something too about that.
590
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.319
H It's delicious.
591
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.559
It is delicious. It's interesting. What is the weirdness? It's
592
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the lavender.
593
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.880
The lavender and the grapefruit is very good fruit. Really,
594
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you know, it looks.
595
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.000
A lot like the last word, but tastes like it
596
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.319
in a coop. And it's it's a very similar color.
597
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.039
I don't think we described it like. The last word
598
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.759
was a greenish.
599
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:43.079
Yeah, sort of a greenish, and this is this.
600
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Was a little more of a pale yellow, but very
601
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.200
similar but delicious and totally different.
602
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.319
And the only citrus is grapefruit.
603
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.680
It's grapefruit and lemon juice, lemons, grapefruit, half ounce of
604
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.079
freshs squeeze lemon, a little bit of simple syrup. And
605
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.960
then I think the key, You're right, Amanda, is this
606
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:02.920
lavender bitters?
607
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.359
Yeah, just makes it.
608
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:06.599
That's tremendous.
609
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.319
It's good, I said, notes. Remember the recipes are always
610
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in the notes. By the way, that Turtle Bay Resort
611
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.519
the Ritz. I get so annoyed because have you ever
612
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.119
seen that movie for Getting Sarah Marshall?
613
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Never have?
614
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Many times, many times.
615
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.880
Hate Amanda. I hate that movie.
616
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.319
Why because you're afraid that you're gonna look like Jason
617
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Siegel's dad bod.
618
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.920
Amanda, I'm wearing a turtleneck, which means I'm in shape
619
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right now.
620
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.160
I'm not wearing a turtle confer what you will.
621
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.079
So it's funny you say that because every time I
622
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.680
go to the Turtle Bay I go on this rant
623
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.519
about how that movie is so ridiculous because the point
624
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.119
of the movie is Jason Siegel, who's like this shlub.
625
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.319
He is just his girlfriend dumped.
626
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.240
In well frontal nudity Jason Siegel in the movie.
627
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.839
Is that why you like it? Amanda? Have you seen
628
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.359
have you seen the movie? You're like dozens of times.
629
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.119
I have it on my VCR and I rewind it
630
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.720
every night. Is that what happened? Yeah?
631
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.200
So, anyway, that movie drives me nuts because Jason Siegel
632
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.640
plays this schlub who's.
633
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.279
Like genetic engineering.
634
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.039
Yeah, but he shows up at this fancy resort and
635
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.559
me La Kunis, who's like a fifteen out of ten,
636
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.759
this gorgeous woman.
637
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.960
He's like, I just broke my girlfriend. Don't mean you.
638
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.480
Just described like every movie nineties early on.
639
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.119
To me, it doesn't make sense.
640
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.160
I get so up mad because what would she see
641
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680
in him? He's like any other dude that shows up.
642
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.240
There's nothing he offers. He does not even though he's
643
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.720
an opera So this sounds like, Okay, we're gonna very upsetting.
644
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.799
But I wonder questions if you have a question any
645
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.880
more relevant the topic of man, you and I are
646
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.720
gonna we'll talk later, or we're just weird forgetting Sarah Marsha.
647
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.559
It's a terrible movie.
648
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.160
It's a great cocktail. Let's not overlook how good this.
649
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.359
Here's my question, Shakura Sunrises.
650
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.039
So you talk about sort.
651
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.640
Of like the way that you could begin life. Your
652
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.400
question is about beginning life with an advantage? All right,
653
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.000
I want to talk about extending life. So there's a
654
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.400
guy that I follow on Twitter, regrettably.
655
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:09.599
His name is Brian Johnson.
656
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.720
He's a tech guy who's made a bunch of money
657
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.960
and he's known for he's trying to do everything possible
658
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:16.759
to extend.
659
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.720
His life's.
660
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.480
World. He takes like a hundred supplements a.
661
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.960
Day, he gets like nine hours of sleep in nineties.
662
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.279
He does all this stuff that he's you know, he's
663
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.119
like real age. He's like a forty five year old
664
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.119
guy in his real age is like, you know, wel yeah.
665
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.440
No, I think it's like at least six years.
666
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.759
Or something significant. I think he I mean he The
667
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:40.720
funny thing is his body looks like the body of
668
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.319
like a twenty five year old in his face is.
669
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.680
Like yeah maybe yeah.
670
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.759
But the point is we, like I said, or I
671
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.319
feel like two paces out of the tube, at some
672
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.480
point here we will be able to, I think, extend
673
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.559
life significantly.
674
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:03.359
Now could you? Would you you want to extend your
675
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.839
life if you could by at least double, let's say,
676
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.880
to two hundred and fifty years. If if we could
677
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.119
extend life to two hundred and fifty years, would you
678
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.160
want to? And then the second part, which I think
679
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.440
is more interesting, is what are the second order and
680
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.279
third order consequences of that?
681
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.519
If people were suddenly living one hundred and fifty tw hundred,
682
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.400
two hundred fifty.
683
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.319
Years, what are what's going to? What would happen?
684
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.119
And I have a I have one really interesting thought
685
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:31.079
dying to tell you.
686
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.480
Wow, I can't wait because I did some math earlier.
687
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:34.279
Wow.
688
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.359
Well, so here's my question, like, what what is your
689
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.240
in this vision? What is like your health and activity level?
690
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.000
Like what is the quality of your life?
691
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.799
Really let's assume that it's just like the same as
692
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.200
a normal seventy five year old or eighty year old
693
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.440
life span, but it just extends. So like if you're
694
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.920
if you're everything else, if you're one hundred and fifty,
695
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.480
it's like being forty five or whatever.
696
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.400
Okay, so you're in the prime of life for
a century.
697
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.319
Or more, right too, So let's assume that this so
698
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.519
you can like be child bearing four.
699
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.039
That's interesting question.
700
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.000
Yeah, one D and.
701
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.199
So you were talking litters, Yeah, there.
702
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.559
Could be Holy smokes, I didn't take that into consideration
703
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.519
when I was doing the math that I'm excited to
704
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.039
share with.
705
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.800
You because that's interesting because yeah, yeah, that's the first
706
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.239
as the father seven at age forty.
707
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.519
Interesting you say that, because here's the math I did.
708
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.320
Okay, we're just going to go straight into math.
709
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:34.679
So I was singing about three D and I was
710
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.679
sinking podcast. I was thinking, Okay, Matt Jordan has seven kids.
711
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.639
If you're new to the podcast, Matt Jordan, the guy
712
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.280
who's been captaining the ship on this episode so far,
713
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.920
has seven kids, and you're roughly fifty.
714
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.639
Okay, So if it's not roughly, you're almost I'm the
715
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.000
youngest person on this podcast.
716
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.519
You're rounding up to fifty. If we assume every generation
717
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.400
is about twenty five If we if we assume every
718
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.519
generation is about twenty five years, okay, So here's the if.
719
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.039
So you've got seven kids, if each of your children
720
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.039
had seven kids when you're seventy five, you'll have forty
721
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.519
nine grandchildren when you're one hundred.
722
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.159
Just just listen, Okay, I think your math is wrong.
723
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.960
That seven times seven, your seven kids each have twenty.
724
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.760
Five years is the wrong number. Because I was nearly
725
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:20.199
forty when my seventh kid was born.
726
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.280
Each generation is about twenty five years. Just go with
727
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.440
me on this, Okay, I'm going with you on this,
728
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.039
really going that My point is eventually, have forty nine grandchildren. Agreed, Eventually,
729
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.440
if all forty nine have seven kids, then you have
730
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.960
three hundred and forty three great grandchildren. Then by the
731
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.039
time you're one hundred and twenty five, you have two thy,
732
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.039
four hundred.
733
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.199
And one great great grandchildren.
734
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.079
By the time you're two hundred and fifty, Matt, and
735
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.719
you keep extrapolating, you have forty million, three hundred and
736
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.000
fifty three thousand, six hundred and seven forty more than
737
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.639
forty million offspring directly from you. If you can live
738
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.360
to two fifty.
739
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.400
Wow, that's pretty good. I do think your math has problems,
740
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.800
but I think the basic notion that I would have
741
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.800
a ton of descendants is undenied.
742
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.280
I also did three kids.
743
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.119
So if you just have tapping the papers, so you
744
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.840
just if you just if your kids all each had
745
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.760
three and not seven like crazy you and me, but
746
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.440
in twenty five years instead of in forty years like this,
747
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.039
this matters.
748
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.639
So each generation is about twenty.
749
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:24.320
Five forty forty you forty for some saying.
750
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.400
But you're additionally forty years. This is Andrew. Andrew is
751
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.559
forty and he was born twenty thirty years, approximately seven kids.
752
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.760
In twenty five years he will only be thirty three.
753
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.880
Why are you ruining my math?
754
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.119
I don't like one million, forty million doesn't matter what
755
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:41.639
I'm to say.
756
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.280
If they had three by the time and fifty they
757
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.199
have forty twenty.
758
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.760
Seventy is well taken. It's a lot of people, a lot.
759
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.239
If people pro create at the same rate, it's absolutely
760
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:51.559
a lot.
761
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.719
And it does I would. I mean, one thing to
762
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.880
say about that is that it it. It kind of
763
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.599
busts out the notion of family, like you're not like
764
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.159
you're not intimately involved.
765
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.280
Cannot be forty million, or even one million, or even
766
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.480
one hundred thousand.
767
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.320
Even as I mean like one hundreds pushing it.
768
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.519
I mean maybe like I think I heard that you
769
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.519
can have meaningful relationships with about one hundred and fifty people.
770
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.360
That's somewhere around the campeity.
771
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.960
So I think I think you and I are cut
772
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800
out in this deal. We're relationship?
773
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:23.800
Are we in the hundred?
774
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.239
So grandschother Amanda and I A on the other fifty
775
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.559
really are what you guys.
776
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:33.039
Are top seventy five. I'm sorry, you know grandkids numbers
777
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.360
one hundred and three and beyond, but you know, you
778
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.440
gotta you know, betray.
779
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.400
Sorry, I apologize for my math hijacking that conversation there,
780
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:43.199
but I was excited.
781
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.760
I did that math earlier, and I was like, oh
782
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.440
my gosh, oh my forty million grand.
783
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.320
Fortunately your job and insurance has nothing to do with math,
784
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:51.079
So that's true.
785
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.480
No, that worries that math is sound.
786
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.239
It's very good, sound like fuzzy maths.
787
00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.559
I was gonna say, I believe some of your numbers
788
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.679
may be and I I'll walk.
789
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.840
You through it later speaking of old people references. So
790
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.760
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to live
791
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.039
to be two hundred and fifty, but I wouldn't choose
792
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.199
it myself. And it's for some of these very reasons.
793
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.039
I mean, because the first thing I think about, as
794
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.719
soon as you raised this question of would you want
795
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.320
to live that long? I started thinking about what that
796
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.559
would mean for me as a father and as a husband.
797
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.920
Being married for two hundred years.
798
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.119
I mean, I would love like to because my wife
799
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:26.239
is amazing and awesome.
800
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.159
I just seek about I've been married for twenty two
801
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.079
my wife at some point here she's going to kill me,
802
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.039
like one hundred years in she seems like, I can't.
803
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.760
You can't live to two hundred and fifty if you
804
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.639
are well?
805
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.159
Is no? The marriage question is interesting, Like one thing
806
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.480
That's a number I love to bring up, is that
807
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.039
the average marriage length of a Puritan was twelve years.
808
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.159
Well really because they died. Oh my, maybe that's the
809
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:53.840
way to do it.
810
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.440
So like when we say, like committing to
a full
811
00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.800
life of marriage, like that means very different things when
812
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.760
it's twelve versus fifty or two hundred, and then add
813
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.760
on what we're talking about here. So I'm just.
814
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.880
Saying, I don't know. I suppose, No, I'm not.
815
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.480
I'm not opposed to it, Like I guess, Like one
816
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.519
of the things that I don't like about that is
817
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.840
that it's sort of it does like it does disrupt
818
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.599
our notions of relationships, but whether that's marriage, children, like
819
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.159
how how long you know, Like how long can you
820
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:22.599
put up.
821
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.280
When you gonna work for one hundred and fifty years
822
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:24.960
the same company?
823
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.599
If you work for so long? I mean, I guess,
824
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.119
like I would just say, we have the whole all
825
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.679
of human history, We've we learn how to understand our lives,
826
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.280
decide what a meaningful life is, decide what meaningful love
827
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.719
is in relationships and things like that. That all, like
828
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.480
we have myths and stories and like I'm thinking of
829
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.199
you know, literature, and stuff like that, Like all that's
830
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.039
based on like an extended but not like exponentially extended, right,
831
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.440
Like some of them are like, you know, maybe people
832
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.639
live to fifty three hundred years ago or something now
833
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.239
they whatever. I don't know the numbers, but it's not
834
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.440
it's like it's a difference of degree. And I feel
835
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.760
like that added century sort of. I don't know. I'm
836
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.079
just saying. I'm not saying that that's I just think
837
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.039
we'd need we'd need some time to catch up. I
838
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.480
would hope it would happen slowly so that we can
839
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.199
like change, I mean even just like when do you
840
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.639
catch in for Social Security? Right, it's funny say a
841
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.320
policy number.
842
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.000
You know it's funny is you guys are gonna make
843
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:17.840
fun of me because of the math.
844
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.440
But honestly, my very first when I when I wrote
845
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.880
this question down, my very first thought was you create
846
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.199
a huge problem when eventually all the old people have
847
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.920
all the money. So Warren Buffett is the most successful
848
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.800
investor of all time in that he's worth one hundred
849
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.599
and fifty billion dollars or whatever at the state stage
850
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.079
of the game. But he's the reason he's worth one
851
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.239
hundred and fifty billion isn't because of his investing prowess.
852
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.639
He's very good, but he's not nearly the best investor
853
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.920
of all time. In terms of like picking stocks, he's
854
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.079
better than average. But the thing that he's the best
855
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.559
at is he's the most patient. He started investing when
856
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.039
he was about ten or twelve, and he is so
857
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.480
he's ninety four, he's he's been investing for over eighty years.
858
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.599
If you have discipline and patience and your education slightly
859
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.159
better than average, well in his in his case, he
860
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.679
was very bright and very industrious and just liked he read.
861
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.960
He just reads, and he invests and he just sits
862
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.199
there and he does nothing else but likes to pick stocks.
863
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:21.840
And he's better at it than average. So if he's
864
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.440
better than average and he's willing to wait, by the
865
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.679
time he's ninety four, he's worth one hundred and fifty.
866
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.920
Billion ninety nine percent. Ninety nine percent of Warren Buffett's
867
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.760
wealth was made after he turned sixty five, so he
868
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:35.480
was a billionaire.
869
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.320
But that's what the point is. My point is money.
870
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.880
When you have a billion at sixty five and then
871
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.559
you wait another thirty years, compounding at seventeen or eighteen
872
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.239
or twenty percent a year. It's got to be worth.
873
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.599
So my point is if you have people living at
874
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.000
two hundred, then eventually all the money h ends up
875
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.039
in these really old people's hands and that creates a
876
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:57.679
lot of problems.
877
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.920
Well, that assumes we're in the same system we're in.
878
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.840
I mean, I think some of these questions, like, you know,
879
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.559
are we going to be in a capitalist society with
880
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.480
a stock market? I don't know if we are a
881
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.400
great one. It does raise questions because I did think, like,
882
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.639
what are the wealth responsibilities as you get all sort
883
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.159
of just like some does your kid? Do you do
884
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.719
your seven kids? And there each seven their forty nine
885
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.400
kids live in your basement and not work for fifty years, right,
886
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.480
Like it's kind of like so.
887
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.119
Lazy forty nine grand kids.
888
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.519
Yeah, my sixty three year old Braddy's grandson who's been
889
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.039
doing not but right is BMX bike around the neighborhood
890
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.480
and six video games?
891
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.159
Yeah yeah, wow.
892
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.480
Wow, you know it's super I think it would. It's
893
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.880
an interesting question partly because, as you said, Chris, it
894
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.199
does seem like the possibility is a very real one,
895
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.679
and if it's actualized, it's going to happen fast. And
896
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.880
it's the sort of thing that like if, and this
897
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.360
is more than the vein of what I think, Amanda,
898
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.320
you were kind of getting at. If if we could
899
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.039
do it gradually, right, Like if over the course of
900
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.719
a millennium, the average lifespan increased by five years of generation,
901
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.599
we could sort of accommodate our lifestyle to these sorts
902
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.360
of changes. But if you go one generation where most
903
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.039
people die by eighty and the next generation everybody's living
904
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.960
to two or three hundred, that's a radical change. It's
905
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.039
hard to fathom how you can possibly make that transition.
906
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.440
Yeah, I don't know. Well, I don't think we can.
907
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.360
I'm more confused than I was, you know, fifteen minutes ago.
908
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.480
Think this point is you said you don't want to
909
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.679
live to two fifty. I don't either.
910
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.239
Yeah, I would say no to that, I again, without
911
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.519
like criticizing those who would say yes, I don't think
912
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.079
that that's something I wouldn't want.
913
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.320
All right, So for the sake of time. Number one,
914
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.519
the drink was amazing. I loved man.
915
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.480
I feel bad that I don't remember the woman's name
916
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.960
at the Oritz Girls Turtle Bay, but man.
917
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.400
She made an incredible drink the Sakura.
918
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.079
Sunrise, and I'm gonna put the recipe in the show
919
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.719
notes to make it. People, you gotta get those Laveno bitters.
920
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.440
So and don't miss those last few episodes of Cobra
921
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.360
Kai it's streaming on Netflix right now.
922
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:19.679
And then number two maybe TBD on the life extension stuff,
923
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.360
except that none of us want to try it. So
924
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.280
all right, since it was my drink, I will say.
925
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.639
We're wrapping up. We're rounding third and heading home.
926
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:33.280
Amanda Adams is on deck and she's going to pour
927
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:33.920
a great drink.
928
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.039
Yes, put me in coach. I'm ready to play.
929
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.239
Let's go more three Q three D three D right
930
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.400
after this. Yeah, okay, look Amanda, she's had too much
931
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:45.880
to drink.
932
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.639
Everyone three Q three D. I need to give you
933
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.960
some insider information. She just poured some of her whatever
934
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.239
the drink is. I don't know what it is, but
935
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:53.559
she just poured it all over the table.
936
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.360
It was kind of a hot mess. Amanda. Do you
937
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.280
want to tell us what you brought?
938
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.880
None of this is true.
939
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.440
Look at her got the crazy act.
940
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.760
I don't know what happened to Chris during that commercial
941
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.960
break for whatever, excellent product. We're now hawking, but Amanda
942
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.360
is completely herself.
943
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:13.920
I am.
944
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.800
A little bit of sugar on it.
945
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.360
Whatever. What drink did you bring?
946
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.039
I brought a lemon drop, which we have had, and
947
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.960
I think I brought it once before and I wanted
948
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:27.480
to try it again.
949
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.400
Is that a martini kind of?
950
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.920
It's so so it has some lemon vodka or you
951
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.519
can say citron vodka. Yes, I feel like I'm saying
952
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:46.599
that's there. I want to say that Chris is wearing
953
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.320
a turtleneck and just said something in French, and I
954
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.880
don't know. All my like perceived ideals about Chris are
955
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:59.199
like blowing up. It's getting hot, stop saying it. He's
956
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:00.000
doing this weird.
957
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.800
Head till thing like a cigarette.
958
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.679
And like a modern dance routine.
959
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.599
What if I just lit up a cigarette in my house?
960
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.199
My god, it just did jazz hands. No, there was
961
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:16.719
I was. I okay. So lemon drop is vodka and
962
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.239
a little bit of Quantro can be Graandmonier as well,
963
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.719
but I did Quantro. It has lemon juice, fresh lemon
964
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.320
juice and orange juice. I forget anything. I think that's it.
965
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.840
The sugar write the sugar rim and I think that's key, right,
966
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.199
because it's very tart, and so you need the sugar
967
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:35.360
to counterbalance that.
968
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.239
Really beautiful, it's beautiful.
969
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.320
It looks a lot like our other drinks, right, I
970
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.920
mean all three the color lemon, they're all yell friends.
971
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.800
Yeah, let's see lemon dropt.
972
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:55.159
Mm hmm. I mean very good. And yeah, the sugar
973
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.039
is necessary for sure. You couldn't do it with the sugar.
974
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.760
I agree.
975
00:46:58.960 --> 00:46:59.639
It's like a dessert.
976
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.719
I mean, yeah, it's like lemon I mean it's lemonade.
977
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.280
It's it's very easy to drink lemonheads. Oh god, I
978
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:07.920
love lemonhead so much too.
979
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.639
I think I might have said that when you brought
980
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.199
it before. It's like drinking lemonheads, which I think are
981
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.360
fantastic candy. So I think they're fantastic too.
982
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.719
I like to think of this as a like a
983
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.760
more sophisticated drink than that. But yeah, I used to
984
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.519
have a friend who would order these, and she would
985
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.360
always order the lemon drop and then say more lemon
986
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.639
than sweet. And I think that's like, you know me,
987
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.239
like she didn't want it too sweet, and I think
988
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.480
that's like a danger if you have too much sugar,
989
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.800
it can like be too sweet, and I'm not. I
990
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.920
think we've established I don't like sweet drinks that much,
991
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.679
but the sugar rim is a nice like balance. Yeah,
992
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.599
I agree, I agree, Chris.
993
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.079
How's these sweet versus tart?
994
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.519
You know, Amanda, do you have a question? Do you
995
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:49.360
have a question? Aman?
996
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.920
No, but I have a dictionary of terms to discuss
997
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:59.880
tastes to give you. Okay, Well, we've talked about kind
998
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:05.000
of genetic tech, biotech whatever stuff at the beginning of life.
999
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.679
With genetic engineering, we've talked about it at the end
1000
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:09.800
of life, like could you do you? Would you do?
1001
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.840
You want to extend your life? How far would that be?
1002
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.119
Et cetera. And I want to just talk about like
1003
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.800
within the span of the human life, enhancements. We talked
1004
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.079
about the difference between therapies and enhancements. I think that's
1005
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.039
an interesting distinction. But I'm thinking especially about like these
1006
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:32.360
wireless brain computer interfaces Bciyes, right, yeah, b would you
1007
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.280
have b cyes like neuralink? Kind of neuralink is an
1008
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.960
example of that, like ela musk is.
1009
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.840
Where you can implant something in your brain to make
1010
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.679
you cognitively.
1011
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.280
Like like the Nolan Armah guy. I mentioned the intro right, Yeah,
1012
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.119
chess on a computer using only his.
1013
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.800
Thoughts, which is astonishing, right and so crazy.
1014
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.280
Exactly, And so this has run the right. Now it's
1015
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.360
at the stage where some of these come like these
1016
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.800
uh I guess experiments and some ways are targeting people
1017
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.119
who have say, like degenerative neu neuro neuron diseases right
1018
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.199
like als or like Parkinson's or something like that. But
1019
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.239
there's definitely a push and a sort of dream fever
1020
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.360
dream of people who call themselves transhumanists, who imagine like
1021
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.800
humans implanting some kind of microchip into their brain that
1022
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.440
would allow them to be kind of to compete with AI.
1023
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119
That's how they put it, or to you know, do
1024
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.119
various things like for example, I think Musk has said
1025
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.840
he sort of imagines people being able to like like
1026
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.280
type essentially like put down on paper and a scent
1027
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.559
not paper, but whatever their thoughts at the rate of
1028
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.199
you know, like as soon as you think them have
1029
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.119
it like appear somewhere right or something like that. So
1030
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.920
I wanted to talk about what you think, what you
1031
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.280
think about those things which I mean less I think
1032
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.559
the therapeutic things that seems I don't it sounds like
1033
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.079
from our a discussion like allowing a person with Parkinson's
1034
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.480
to be able to continue to communicate or to move
1035
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.079
things right that maybe therapeutics we like that idea.
1036
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.599
To achieve what we'd consider like sort of normal right functioning.
1037
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:18.039
Yeah, but also then but on this other side of
1038
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:22.440
like enhancements, right like like what do you think would
1039
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.199
you be willing to do those sorts of things to
1040
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.000
have something implanted in you, whether it's a microchip or
1041
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.519
like another like bionic limb that you don't need but
1042
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:33.840
that you know what I mean need in our common sense?
1043
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.800
Are those things that interest you? Or do you think
1044
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.639
there are limits to that? Or what are the ethics there?
1045
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.079
Again, I think that one hundred years from now, it
1046
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:46.760
could be very possible that people who are born blind,
1047
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.639
are they eventually become they eventually have an advantage where
1048
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:56.760
they get something implanted or something that allows them to
1049
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.920
see one hundred times, like a hawk like they could
1050
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.000
zoom in and zoom out, or night vision or whatever,
1051
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.480
or hearing like like the co Clear implant is the
1052
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.639
beginning where it makes hearing possible for somebody who's in
1053
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.559
effect born death. But if you strapolate that forward, could
1054
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.679
somebody have supersonic hearing like that one.
1055
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.519
Character and encanto I never saw so good.
1056
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.920
Okay, sorry, So the reference.
1057
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.360
She has superhuman stress hearing.
1058
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.199
Where we're headed is that this stuff will allow somebody
1059
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:34.559
who is born with some sort of defect is the
1060
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.480
wrong word maybe, but to have them become like superhuman
1061
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:38.960
in some.
1062
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.000
Way, and does that start a race with others? Like
1063
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.880
the example I saw was like where they're creating, like
1064
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.159
somebody loses from
the knee down their their leg and
1065
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.840
so they do like a bionic foot that then they
1066
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.679
can run in a race that is actually faster, right
1067
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.559
if they have both of those, like eventually write technology wise,
1068
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.599
what if a runner said, Okay, I'm going to amputate
1069
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.440
my legs beneath the knee and get these bionic things
1070
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.360
to like win that race. Well, yeah, that's a real thing.
1071
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:16.199
I mean, I think, man, I mean a lot of it.
1072
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.880
And part of why it's difficult is because it's so challenging,
1073
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:24.880
maybe even impossible to define like clear sharp boundaries between
1074
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.360
what's good and what isn't. We mentioned earlier the difference
1075
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.679
between therapy and enhancement and how fuzzy that that boundary is.
1076
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.039
But at the heart of it. I think part of
1077
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:40.000
why I find this stuff so worrisome is a sense
1078
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.159
that part of what's good for us as human beings
1079
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:50.119
is to not only recognize, but to own and even
1080
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.280
celebrate the fact that we're limited, that there are we're finite,
1081
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.800
There are limitations on us as human beings, and those
1082
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.920
very limitations are part of what makes excellence possible. Part
1083
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.000
of what make you know, inspiring stories inspiring is like
1084
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.679
it's difficult and it's challenging, and their struggle and their
1085
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.639
barriers and their boundaries, and the idea of just sort
1086
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:16.199
of eliminating any of those natural boundaries for the sake
1087
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.880
of being able to will whatever one wills right to
1088
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.800
become gods of some kinds Like that seems to me
1089
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.239
to be abandoning what it means to be human. And
1090
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.920
it doesn't seem attractive or good or in any way inspiring.
1091
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.239
It seems just utterly pernicious. Though it's hard to articulate,
1092
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:40.400
like a clear, you know, definitive like well, here's a
1093
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.360
line not to cross or whatever. But the whole thing
1094
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.760
comes from a I don't know, like a tower of
1095
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:50.559
babble kind of like we're going to do everything and
1096
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:55.159
anything that's that we can in order to exercise our will,
1097
00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:00.360
regardless of standards of goodness or virtue or nobility or
1098
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.639
whatever like. That's that's not a world I want to
1099
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.480
live in. That's not a game I want to play.
1100
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:06.119
Do you want to play it?
1101
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.840
If if it allows somebody with als, though, to live
1102
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.440
a rich or fuller life.
1103
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.320
That's a great question. I mean, I do think again
1104
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.960
back to this treatment versus enhancement thing. If we can
1105
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.599
use these things to help people live normal human lives,
1106
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.840
I'm all for it. But it's when it becomes transcending
1107
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.320
the very idea of being human. I mean, Amanda alluded
1108
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.000
to the idea of transhumanism, right, and that I mean
1109
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.599
that's where that word comes from, transcending humanity. I've heard
1110
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.960
some people say we're worth the first place in biological
1111
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.880
evolution where the objects of evolution, human organisms can shape
1112
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.400
the next stage of evolution, right, where we can become
1113
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.199
something other than something more than human. And I don't
1114
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:49.239
want to be more than human. I want to be
1115
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.639
fully human. I want to be an excellent human, But
1116
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.000
I don't want to be transhuman.
1117
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:01.599
H Yeah, I well, I just would underscore that again
1118
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.159
to say that I like, I don't know that this
1119
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.559
idea of like of like pushing against limits, and I
1120
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.280
think the limited nature of human life makes everything sweeter.
1121
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.239
And again I say that as a person who doesn't
1122
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.400
have massive disabilities or like, so I am aware again
1123
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:25.320
of like a kind of like a therapeutic version of
1124
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.239
this that I think is good. But I think, like,
1125
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.239
you know, I think of Mary Oliver's poem Summer Day,
1126
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.599
where she says, what will you do with your one,
1127
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:33.880
wild and precious life? And I think the reason the
1128
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.320
life is precious is because it's one, right, Like you
1129
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.599
have these limits, you are mortal, you have limits in
1130
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.519
other ways, and like how do we like What's what's
1131
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.079
so sort of valuable about that is that we know
1132
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.519
it will end and we know, like and some of
1133
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.480
these transhumanists like envision a kind of living forever like
1134
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.440
half as a machine, right, like replacing body parts slowly
1135
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.880
with machinery, so you avoid aging, right or you avoid
1136
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.400
that the sort of like sense of mortality. And that
1137
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:03.800
doesn't interest me at all.
1138
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:06.239
I mean, I don't ask you a really weird question, okay,
1139
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.639
if you could choose, and I think I agree with you.
1140
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.960
I mean, obviously it's it seems like like a no brainer,
1141
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:17.400
like I that that you're right, except if you could
1142
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.199
choose and and and I'm not trying to be provocative.
1143
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.199
I'm just trying to think this through, Like if you
1144
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:26.480
could choose and go back and say, give me a
1145
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:30.519
life that I know, I am gonna be somebody who
1146
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.840
is got who's beautiful by you know, typical beauty standards.
1147
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.960
I have like a you know, I'm tall, I have
1148
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.360
great skin, hair rock and bad eyes, whatever.
1149
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.960
Okay, I'm going to live to be two hundred and
1150
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.480
I'm going to have like a super high intellect and
1151
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.480
and and also be able to like have all these
1152
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:59.559
enhanced cognition and all that. Would you rather have that
1153
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.400
you can choose that or say it's the roll of
1154
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.000
the dice where it's just whatever humanity had for eons
1155
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.440
and eons where it could be just really not great.
1156
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:11.400
Which would you.
1157
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:17.320
Choose, And you're choosing like a kind of technology technologically
1158
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:18.920
enhanced in the form in the.
1159
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.719
First I'm combining altered questions because because I think all
1160
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.920
three of us agree on that, like it seems when
1161
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:32.280
you talk it through, it's not great until you're faced
1162
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.840
with the question, right, no, right, I guess.
1163
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.079
I guess I come back to what I said earlier,
1164
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:43.000
which is like these these the the ways we're measuring
1165
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:48.000
what's great. None of them I think are good, like
1166
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.440
in the sense of like if I could be like
1167
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.039
the most beautiful person? Is that is that what I
1168
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:53.280
want to do?
1169
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.119
What does look like exactly what actually makes my life
1170
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.320
a good life exactly?
1171
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.480
And like like do I like if I'm the best athlete?
1172
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.039
Like I don't in the big picture, I don't care right,
1173
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.199
Like I want to be a good person, like I
1174
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.599
want to like feel things I want to like go
1175
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.360
through this like wonderful, wild and precious human life. And
1176
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.679
I guess like I just all those things of like
1177
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.559
could I be the smart but like we talk about
1178
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.199
smartest and things like that. Again, I don't think we
1179
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.960
have a problem with being smart or having a lot
1180
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.800
of information. We have problem with wisdom. We have a
1181
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.920
problem with like those sorts of questions. And I don't
1182
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.519
see I don't see any of this solving that for me,
1183
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.480
Like I hesitance.
1184
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.239
I have or maybe the only the only reason I
1185
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.280
could argue for it. Okay, if I'm just trying to
1186
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.920
like be provocative and argue for it is the elimination
1187
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.519
of the bad, like elimination.
1188
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.280
Of who decides what's bad and what are you talking about?
1189
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:43.800
Like what bad?
1190
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.239
If we're beyond sort of like abnormal, like things that
1191
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.679
are unusual in human life.
1192
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:52.119
Didn't we talk recently? Didn't the book Brave in Your
1193
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.079
World by Alis Uxley come up in or some conversations
1194
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.039
you never wanted worth reading? I mean one of the
1195
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:01.039
things spoiler alert that that's striking about it is at
1196
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.599
the end of the book when one of the characters
1197
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:09.400
chooses a life of difficulty and suffering because there's something human,
1198
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.400
there's something valuable in that that that isn't available in
1199
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.239
a world where nobody is you know, ever has any
1200
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.360
risk of being hurts, where where every you know, every need,
1201
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.719
every bodily urge is immediately taken care of. But there's
1202
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:28.480
no real intimacy, there's no real depth, there's no real humanity.
1203
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:31.920
And I think, I don't know. I mean, you sound
1204
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.000
like that, You sound you
sound like that character and
1205
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:35.599
Rave your World when you are.
1206
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.920
Yeah, you're talking like that, Well, yeah, I think I
1207
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.679
am there. And I also think, like you know, I
1208
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.599
I've also read enough nineteenth century literature to know that, like,
1209
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.960
you know, we're going to act like gods and manage
1210
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.360
all these human lives. What could go wrong?
1211
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:50.679
Right?
1212
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.920
Like read Frankenstein read you know a bunch of different things.
1213
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.519
Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, my first thought is if
1214
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.960
you could implant a chip or like they are already
1215
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.599
in some of these people at some point, right, isn't
1216
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.360
somebody going to be able to hack it?
1217
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:04.840
Well?
1218
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.840
That was another major thing for me, is like a
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real worry. No, like absolutely, like we already are being
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01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.920
tracked and like surveillance capitalism, right where like our desires
1221
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.079
and our like all that it worked into an algorithm
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01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.519
and like imagine someone, I mean, who is this for free?
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Who owns this wireless technology that's in your brain?
1224
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Right? Like?
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Who has access to it? You think you think we're
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going to do better than we are now would be And.
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01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.159
It seems to me that even in a best case
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scenario where you don't have to worry about that stuff,
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01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.480
and I realized that's totally unrealistic, realistic, But for the
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01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.920
sake of the thought experiment, there's just something so unhuman
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01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.880
about it that I, like, I don't I don't want it.
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And even if it means that my life gets harder,
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or frankly, even if it means my kids' lives get harder,
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01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.760
I would rather live as a human being and live well.
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01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.920
It feels like living honestly in their way.
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01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.400
Yeah, yeah, so I feel like we at some point
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01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.000
you should wrap But yeah, if your kid's life was harder,
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01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:04.519
really so, like I guess to me, the genit like
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the gist of the question is if you could implant
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01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.119
something in your kid's
brain to help them with the
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problem they have, you wouldn't do it.
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01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.280
Well, depends on the problem. Again, if it's if it's
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01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:18.599
clearly therapeutic, I'm a lot more comfortable, I think the problem.
1244
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.119
If it's clearly enhancement, I have objections. If it's in
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01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.920
that gray area, then it's harder for me. The gray
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01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:23.280
area is.
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01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.039
An issue, is the one, because it's like, if they
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01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:26.599
have depression, do you fix it?
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01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.039
But look like I've just recently been a part of
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01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.639
a reading group at the Same Area Catholic Church in Hudson,
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01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.559
and we've been talking about C. S. Lewis's book The
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Problem of Pain, and one of the one of the
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points that Lewis makes, so if you're not familiar with
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01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.960
the idea, right, it's the classic argument for atheism. I mean,
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you look around the world and there's all this pain
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and suffering, and Christians theists say that there's a good
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01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.440
and loving God behind it all. And the question is,
1258
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.840
how can there possibly be a good and loving God?
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01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.440
And that's a huge topic, a huge question that we
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are not to try to answer in this church in
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01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.880
sixty seconds. No, But what I can do is points
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01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.440
to something that's relevant to this conversation where Lewis says, look,
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there is some value in our finitude, in our suffering.
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He says, part of the problem is that what most
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of us want is he says, a grandfather in heaven.
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01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.000
We want a grandfather who essentially says, ah, you know,
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01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.239
as long as everybody's having a nice time, that's all
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01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:28.840
that matters. And he says, the problem is we have
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a father in heaven who cares about who we are,
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01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.840
about what kind of people we are, right, No father,
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01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.199
he says, no good father would settle for a kid
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01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:43.440
being a total you know, jerk group. Yeah, he used
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01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:49.159
the term a blackguard, which is not a contemporary But
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01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.199
like we, no good parent wants their kid to be
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01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.440
a horrible human being if that's if that makes them happy.
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01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.119
We want our kids to be good, good, and I
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01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.400
think there's something really really similar here where the idea
1278
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:10.039
is that like, yeah, maybe life is harder if you're
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01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:13.079
really human, if you're really living a good human life,
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01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.679
and and maybe that's okay. So yeah, Chris, I mean
1281
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.199
my answer to your question is, even if it's for
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01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.119
my kids, it's hard to say. I want my kids
1283
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.320
to have comfortable lives. But if they have to choose
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01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.800
between being good human beings and being comfortable, I prefer
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01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:29.639
they have the former.
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01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:37.519
I think I think we should wrap it up well.
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01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.559
People can pick up on some of that later, but
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01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.320
this has been an interesting conversation. I dare say, and
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01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.679
I think that we have enough time remaining for three
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minutes of happiness.
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01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.719
Yes, who wants to go first? And I think, by
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01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.639
the way, I thought all three drinks were great. I mean,
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01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:57.039
the Lmon Driver is good from start to sell recipes
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01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.679
in the show notes, Amanda, you go ahead.
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01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.599
Okay, Well, I mentioned Mary Oliver earlier and I've actually
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01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.360
read this poem on air before in this podcast, but
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01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:10.920
it's so important for the summer day, and it's Jana.
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01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.599
Magar toast a chance, we're going to come back for
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01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:15.159
a toast? Yeah, we can, how much I'll get.
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01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.400
Poem is a song, but I don't read the whole thing.
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01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.039
I would love to hear you read the poem.
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01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.719
Yeah, a man reads the poem and while you're reading it,
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01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.079
choose the part that will be our toast.
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01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.400
Okay, all right? So she says, who made the world,
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01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.440
Who made the swan and the black bear? Who made
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01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.599
the grasshopper? This grasshopper, I mean the one who has
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01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.559
flung herself out of the grass. The one is who
1308
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.519
is eating sugar out of my hand, who is moving
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01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:39.320
her jaws back and forth instead of up and down.
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01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.679
Now she lifts her pale forearms and thoroughly washes her face.
1311
01:04:42.920 -->
01:04:46.719
So we're talking about a g grasshopper, No big, well, bright, okay, grasshopper, Yeah,
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01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.440
exactly all right. I don't know exactly what a prayer is.
1313
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.320
I do know how to pay attention, how to fall
1314
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:55.559
down into the grass, how to kneel down in the grass,
1315
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.599
how to be idle and blessed, how to stroll through
1316
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.119
the fields, which is what I have been doing all day.
1317
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.360
Tell me what else should I have done? Doesn't everything
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01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.480
die at last and too soon. Tell me what is
1319
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:08.760
it you plan to do with your one, wild and
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01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.239
precious life. So that's my moment of happiness always, which
1321
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:16.000
is about how we spend our time. And sometimes this
1322
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:17.920
is misread as like us see as the day, go
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01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.800
do something great, And that's not what she's saying. She's saying,
1324
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.320
sit in a field, watch a grasshopper, live in your body,
1325
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.840
exist and that's enough. Don't be productivists, like just live
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01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.280
in this world.
1327
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:33.280
Okay, that's good. I am.
1328
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.800
I feel on board to say what I want to say.
1329
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.480
So I feel like you sip.
1330
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.519
Just about the rits, so the risk Carlton in Turtle
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01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.280
bay O Wahu.
1332
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.880
Okay, it's great. Tell Jessica I said, I don't even
1333
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:54.199
know what her name is, but yeah, no, So now
1334
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:58.159
I feel stupid because you're right. But I will say this.
1335
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:03.199
I I have reference us on uh in prior years.
1336
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:04.960
We've been doing this for almost four years.
1337
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.239
And we need to do a four we need to
1338
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.360
do a four year anniversary episode.
1339
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.280
But I have I've referenced it.
1340
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:11.599
I have.
1341
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.920
I long many years ago, I created this fundraiser to
1342
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.079
help kids with type one diabetes. I mentioned my son
1343
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.599
Max earlier. He has Type one diabetes diabetes, And.
1344
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.079
I do this fundraiser around the Master's Golf tournament and
1345
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:31.639
it is six weeks away, and I am getting genuine
1346
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.920
anxiety because the fundraiser, it is a ton of work
1347
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.719
for me, and and I'm always happy I did it.
1348
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.159
But this year, like every other year, I'm like, oh
1349
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:43.400
my gosh, am I going to be able to pull
1350
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.280
this off. But here's the thing.
1351
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.599
This year, I've worked with some people, some friends of mine,
1352
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.960
and we're giving away some prizes that are going to
1353
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:51.599
be next level.
1354
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.599
So if you're in a golf so.
1355
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:55.400
Even if you're not, I'm in this tournament. I'm not
1356
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.280
a big golf fan, but I love Chris tournament.
1357
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.960
Yeah, I called the Masters for Ax. My son's name
1358
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.239
is Max, and it people can win real money. But
1359
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.280
I try to make it the opposite of FanDuel, the
1360
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:10.039
opposite of what are all the gambling platforms.
1361
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:11.559
I've got an online gambler.
1362
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.079
I don't get gamble on sports by this for ten
1363
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.679
years now and I've won a fifty dollars. I appreciate that,
1364
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.159
but and it's awesome.
1365
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:22.440
But I try to make it fun and interesting and
1366
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:26.159
goofy and it raises so much money. And this year
1367
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.360
we're in the precipice. We're in the brink of raising
1368
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.519
a million dollars for the charity that I support, and
1369
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:34.079
this year we should cross that. And there's gonna be
1370
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.760
a lot of stuff coming out about it that I'm
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01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.559
excited about.
1372
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:37.559
So it's pretty cool.
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01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:38.639
Anyway, that's awesome.
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01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.679
Where people online, Chris, if you were interested in golf,
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01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.159
or go.
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01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.119
To max dot, propel mg dot com Max max dot.
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01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:50.719
Propel mg, propel p r O p e l mg
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01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.320
dot com and then I'll tell you about it. But
1379
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:54.800
it's crazy.
1380
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.559
That is awesome. Yeah, it is a great thing, great thing.
1381
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.320
I'll be really quick. I just had we're recording this
1382
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.079
on a Tuesday, and I am coming off of one
1383
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:07.920
of the great weekends of recent memory. And it was
1384
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.000
nothing super profound, but just really really a beautiful time
1385
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.840
with the family. My firstborn son and his new wife
1386
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:15.920
watched in a recent episode that I have a
daughter
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01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.399
in lawn. They came home for the first time as
1388
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:23.680
a married couple. They brought my daughter who's at college
1389
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.199
near where they're living with them, and my second son,
1390
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.039
who's in college, also was able to come home for
1391
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.439
the weekend, and we just had this amazing weekend as
1392
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.039
a family and probably one of the last times that
1393
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:40.880
it will be sort of just us together. But it
1394
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.720
was really beautiful, really wonderful. There was a high point
1395
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.159
when we were all sitting around the fire just chatting
1396
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.920
and enjoying each other's company after dinner, and somebody I
1397
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.119
think was my firstborn actually asked if we were reading
1398
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.039
any Narnia books currently, which is something we've done literally
1399
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:01.439
since he was in utero, and we are, in fact,
1400
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.119
in the midst of a Narnia book, and there was
1401
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.600
a request that we do a chapter of Narnia, which
1402
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.279
is something we've done as a family forever. And to
1403
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.760
sit there with my kids, you know, ranging in age
1404
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.960
from twenty three to eight, and my daughter in law
1405
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:20.439
and my wife and sitting around the fire reading Narnia together,
1406
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:24.119
it was just really really beautiful and awesome and I'm
1407
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.960
so grateful and it was so human To go back
1408
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.239
to your game today, Amanda, would you take us out
1409
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:30.560
of here?
1410
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:32.600
I will. I'm going to read the end of the
1411
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.560
poem that I just read, So tell me what else
1412
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.760
should I have done? Doesn't everything die at last? And
1413
01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.319
too soon. Tell me what is it you plan to
1414
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.079
do with your one, wild and precious life?
1415
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.199
Sure, Mic Drop, Well done.
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01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.159
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