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Lux at about the same time EG4 did. They decided to be a distributor. We decided to deploy the equipment and test it, and we're glad we did because the Chinese turned out the lights at my partner's home, where we first deployed the Lux bidirectional hybrid inverter, which became the EG418KPV. We might have been the first solar company in America to stop allowing people to buy solar without batteries. We 00:06:47.970 --> 00:07:48.450 you can have without batteries, you can have battery ready, which was just having the right inverter, or you could have the whole battery system. We gave people three options, and then we realized we just weren't being courageous enough in acknowledging what was really happening, and so we just said, "No, you can't have solar unless you also have storage because of the grid impact and because you're going to be disappointed either when the rates change down the road and you're not grandfathered in, you know, when you go to get batteries and you realize your only option is an AC coupled system, which doesn't make any sense if you were starting from scratch. You know when you try to participate in DERs and you don't earn as much as you could, like up in Eversource. And so we, because we worked all over the nation, we learned about all these different things and what makes sense, kind of what doesn't. And we saw that batteries were clearly the future, and then we were fortunate to be able to import some technology from China that made it inexpensive enough and made batteries and solar work well together enough that we just got way ahead of the curve there. And so where we are now, to finish up your question, thank you for your patience. 00:07:48.629 --> 00:07:51.980 Sounds good. Sounds good. I'm ready. Now we're up the road. 00:07:52.370 --> 00:07:55.070 There is a place called the Isha Institute of Inner Sciences. 00:07:55.100 --> 00:07:56.210 Have you ever heard of Sadhguru? 00:07:57.440 --> 00:07:59.899 Yeah, I have. 00:07:57.440 --> 00:07:59.899 Okay, I met some of those guys. 00:08:00.590 --> 00:08:02.809 Oh, Sauron, maybe. Yeah, they're building 00:08:02.990 --> 00:08:04.460 an intentional community, right? 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:12.789 Yeah, they are, and they have they have a big like center for meditation and community events. And yeah, I'm 00:08:12.849 --> 00:08:15.038 going to go visit. 00:08:12.849 --> 00:08:30.428 I don't know when, but I'm going to go visit. Some context on Isha: the Isha Institute for Inner Sciences is the North American Center for the Isha Foundation, founded by the yogi Sadhguru. The campus sits on the Cumberland Plateau near McMinnville, Tennessee, and draws 1000s of visitors a year. 00:08:30.970 --> 00:08:33.450 Well, we're the company that has developed their microgrid for them. 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:33.840 Okay, 00:08:34.230 --> 00:08:55.669 and so they're they're a really cool organization. But for their microgrid project, for years they have wanted to further develop their 17,000

acres. They wanted to put a school there and a sportsplex there and a golf course community because these are the type of yogis who golf with really nice, and then like eventually 800 home community. 00:09:48.049 --> 00:09:55.730 But here's the problem, Tim, is that they are at the very edge of two different local power companies' distribution lines. 00:09:55.880 --> 00:09:56.000 Okay. 00:09:56.539 --> 00:10:14.829 So the first problem we solved, or we're fortunate enough to be given the opportunity to help solve, is that Sequatchie Valley and Candy Fort, both great local power companies for the TVA, they could and these numbers are rounded, but they could only combine get about three megawatts of power to Isha. 00:10:15.730 --> 00:10:15.849 Okay, 00:10:16.388 --> 00:10:17.318 Isha needed 30. 00:10:18.098 --> 00:10:18.278 Whoa! 00:10:19.359 --> 00:10:36.899 So their option, which had stalled them for multiple years, because what I didn't know, and you did you know that if you don't, if you're developing a property, is you can't prove that you can provide power to like an occupied structure, that they won't give you a permit to build it. 00:10:36.990 --> 00:10:37.470 Makes sense. 00:10:37.828 --> 00:10:47.838 Yeah, and these numbers are approximate, but the first round of reconductoring or making the lines tatter to get more power through them. It's going to be about $12 million just locally on the distribution side. 00:10:48.170 --> 00:10:48.230 Yeah, 00:10:48.740 --> 00:10:55.129 and that was just for phase one of the project. And then they were going to need about a $60 million infrastructure upgrade from the TVA. 00:10:56.149 --> 00:11:00.379 Wow. So what's the status of that project? We start we started 00:11:00.408 --> 00:11:19.418 construction a month and a half ago, and how we solved the problem was we called a buffer battery. We just went and talked to local power companies, and we said we understand what you're concerned about. Is that this big this this this community is going to ask for way too much power at once, and your infrastructure can't deliver it, and then it's bad news for you. 00:11:19.690 --> 00:11:19.809 Sure. 00:11:20.558 --> 00:11:40.979 So what if we just installed a battery with an inverter, and limited that inverter's draw to whatever you're capable of sending with no infrastructure. Like, well, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't do that. Okay, and then what if on the backside, because the community needs a lot more power, we installed a big solar field, 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:41.579 yeah, 00:11:42.329 --> 00:11:57.410 and. Than generators because the one thing that that that solar industry could really learn is solar is amazing when it's there. We all know that. Why would you not use God's free sunlight falling on your roof to make your electricity? It doesn't make 00:11:57.889 --> 00:12:05.049 any sense. Good question. Why not? You know, but it only works during the day for goodness' sake. And so what? So you need batteries, right? 00:12:05.138 --> 00:12:32.878 And and through our weird journey, like we just learned how vital it was. And instead of being a solar company, we became an energy team, like and started thinking about resilience and what the grid needed. And then we're like, okay, in these homes, they could all have little micro grids on them, and then the whole thing can be connected, and they could have load shedding. We had to integrate technology that hadn't been put together before. One of the cool features there's some EOS batteries, and we've never been afraid. Yeah, 00:12:32.999 --> 00:12:33.719 they mentioned that. 00:12:34.019 --> 00:12:35.160 Yeah, we've just never. How big a 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:37.379 battery are you? 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:37.379 Is the EOS several 00:12:37.499 --> 00:12:39.388 megawatt hours? 00:12:37.499 --> 00:12:48.469 I think we just dropped a megawatt in yesterday, or a megawatt hour in yesterday. I've got some pictures of it I could send to you, but what it's it's zinc bromide, and it's not lithium iron phosphate. 00:12:48.589 --> 00:12:50.359 Yeah, it's it's a zinc air battery, right? 00:12:50.418 --> 00:12:58.759 Yeah, and so my engineers would have to talk to you about all the different characteristics. But what we like about it is made in America, and that means they get a 50% tax credit. I think in 00:12:58.789 --> 00:12:59.629 Pennsylvania, right? 00:13:01.129 --> 00:13:12.399 I don't know. I don't know. COS Energy, and I got pictures of a crane dropping it off on the pad that I saw my crew put together last week yesterday. Oh yeah, so that an hour up the road from here. 00:13:11.259 --> 00:13:12.399 We'll 00:13:12.460 --> 00:13:30.119 use photos for this. 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I'm very interested in community scale micro grids, and I have. Well, Craig Lewis has a theory, and and and there's a person that you should also connect with if you're not. Craig is the is the director of the Clean Coalition in California. It's a nonprofit consultancy

that does engineering, feasibility studies, and design of community-scale microgrids. Now, California is a special place, right? It's it's it's where things happen generally first in the United States technologically, and they have something called the microgrid incentive program, which is targeting low-income communities and doing pilot projects at megawatt scale, sometimes 10s of megawatts. So these aren't ginormous facilities, but they're they're not nano grids either, right? So they're they're doing. We 00:15:34.829 --> 00:15:36.089 love those. We call them power towns. 00:15:36.660 --> 00:15:39.420 Power towns. Yeah. 00:15:36.660 --> 00:15:48.109 Yeah. Large scale solar and battery, primarily, right? And then you know hospitals, schools, community centers, emergency services, right? 00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.129 Things that you want to have 24/7, 365 power. Critical 00:15:52.190 --> 00:15:52.700 infrastructure. 00:15:52.789 --> 00:16:25.559 Critical infrastructure. So here's the the question to you, though, because Craig has a theory, and and I don't, you know, I don't know how it proves out in his world, but traditionally utilities are incentivized to build infrastructure, meaning poles and wires. Just talk distribution grid, right? At a cost plus model, so they make a profit of guaranteed profit of 10%. So they like capital projects because it generates revenue and generates profit. 00:16:26.700 --> 00:16:30.420 Now, now it may be different in muni's and co-ops. I'm not sure. 00:16:31.109 --> 00:17:03.730 You know, this this is largely I think in IOU territory, but instead of building transmission and distribution. You build microgrids, right? So you build solar, battery, and switchgear that allows islanding, and thereby you get the capex. You do capex projects. You're just creating resiliency instead of more T and D. So, do you think that holds water in this world, or 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:04.839 it's my exact vision. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:05.349 Okay, 00:17:05.828 --> 00:17:33.058 almost. So let me share how I believe we can pull off Craig's vision because what Craig's talking about it takes a heck of a lot of policy and a lot of agreement and all these things, and it's a beautiful vision worth working on. Right now, we are way behind China. We need all the data centers we can get as soon as possible, the infrastructure cannot carry what needs to be carried. I just want to give you one quick example of data centers. I'm going to show you how this ties into microgrids because Craig's exactly right. 00:17:33.868 --> 00:17:57.859 Is right now max capacity of the U.S. grids 13, 1400 gigawatts or 1.3 terawatts. The max we've experienced recently is still under 800, so there's a lot of buffer by design because that top number isn't like a speed limit where you get a fine. It's like a cliff you walk off, and that's Cyanora Senorita. Yeah. 00:17:58.429 --> 00:18:18.249 Well, right now the average is only like 500, so we have 1300 capacity. We

only use 500, so it seems like there's plenty of space. But if you look at one Louisiana data center for Meta, is five gigawatts. Yeah. Do you think they're not going to want to build 100 of those? Okay. 00:18:14.528 --> 00:18:32.339 Well, that's 500. And assuming it runs continuously, then if the average now is four or 500, and then we throw up 500 more, but you only have a tiny little buffer between us and disaster. 00:18:28.619 --> 00:18:32.729 Unless yeah, I think there's something 00:18:32.850 --> 00:18:38.610 like 250 gigawatts of data centers in the pipeline in the U.S. Something like that. 00:18:36.509 --> 00:18:39.210 Well, there you go. It's a big number. That would be 00:18:39.300 --> 00:18:44.750 50 percent of our current normal daily use when that comes online. Right. 00:18:42.450 --> 00:19:08.019 Like everything that we're using in America now, including all the data centers we already have, and all the things that we do, half of that. And that's like I'm not going to argue about AI. I've used it every day for three years. It has put us so far ahead, and I am grateful for it. And we we need data centers. They have to go to space in Elon's rocket. So be it. But we need them, and we need electricity. So this is my thesis: We need to produce power in a way that does three things. 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:30.269 Number one, protects people. So, if you build transmission infrastructure, does that protect people? Kind of from like large-scale blackouts, but it keeps the same game up. But if you put that same resilient energy infrastructure on their property, then they never have to worry about rates increasing again. Number one, because they're producing their own power. I mean, down to the residential level, small business, like all the way, starting with critical infrastructure, but all the way. 00:19:31.410 --> 00:21:26.940 And then, if you just had 40,025 kilowatt power plants, then that's a gigawatt of freed grid capacity. It is energy resilience on that property, a much more resilient local grid, the and the ability to chip in during peak times by definitely shedding all the loads of the property, and pushing it back to the grid, which is why we realized when our lights got turned out it was a pretty big deal because if this is the future of American energy, where everybody raises their hand as an individual and says, "Sign me up! I want to contribute. My nation needs energy for these data centers. We can't go over that limit, but we can produce ourselves. We can share with our neighbors ourselves. Yeah, and the technology is so advanced now; it just does it automatically. But that's where cybersecurity matters, because at scale, the most dangerous possible thing is an aggregated set of distributed energy resources that are capable of supporting the grid, which means they're capable of attacking the grid. So we worked on that for a year and a half. We could talk about that some other time if you want to, and then you have to think about what energy generation technology do you have on your microgrid? So if you're a utility company and you want firm dispatchable power, it just basically means you want a friend that's going to pick up the phone and then they're going to show up. So the cybersecurity is pick up the phone. That's why we have four communications failovers and edge compute in our gateway that secure the microgrids we we build. That's why they'll soon start coming with load shedding. It's the AC side to give visibility to utilities into the load, so they can't be tricked about what's really coming. And then we're building a device that integrates solar batteries, a EV bidirectionally, and a DC coupled generator, so that the utility company, so that when the utility company calls on our technology, 00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:27.450 yeah, 00:21:27.750 --> 00:21:41.400 it will answer, and it will be there. And then you have firm dispatchable power, which is exactly what the TVA said that they wanted. And then this person has reliable, affordable power because there are no price increases. There's none of that stuff. 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:42.360 So how do you pay for? 00:21:43.730 --> 00:21:47.690 Well, like, how do you? That's. I mean, right now, it's the 00:21:47.960 --> 00:22:06.940 it's the it's the it's the biggest gorilla in the room. Honestly, Lester, it's it's we have the technology, right? It's how to pay for it and deploy it in a timely manner. Like, we could completely reinvent the grid. We we absolutely must do this, right? We need a grid of microgrids, 00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:07.839 yes, 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.900 both nano grids and community scale micro grids. 00:22:11.980 --> 00:22:12.339 But as soon as 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.130 possible, we need 100 million micro grids in America as soon as possible. 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:16.360 Yeah, I'm with you. 00:22:16.569 --> 00:22:17.380 And so, but how 00:22:17.470 --> 00:22:21.069 do we pay for it? 00:22:17.470 --> 00:22:27.269 Like, what Sad Guru? How how is he paying for all this? And and who's paying for this utility scale battery and solar field? 00:22:27.299 --> 00:22:32.490 Great. Well, it's money that would have gone to the power company, right? 00:22:30.089 --> 00:22:36.329 Because he's got to pay $70 million for infrastructure upgrades. Yeah. So he just built his own infrastructure. 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:36.809 Okay. 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:42.450 And so in a world where everybody is competing for infrastructure upgrades, and it's really so these 5000 00:22:42.479 --> 00:22:48.288 people are just putting their, they're combining their resources and saying we're going to we're building this as 00:22:48.380 --> 00:22:50.660 it goes. Yeah. 00:22:48.380 --> 00:22:53.120 So they're like, this needs to be built. This is important for energy resilience. 00:22:53.509 --> 00:23:00.618 Back to the money question, Isha avoided roughly$70 million in grid upgrades by building its own power system.

00:23:01.578 --> 00:23:08.259 Lester's next point goes further. He argues the same math works for homes and businesses near new data center load. 00:23:09.460 --> 00:23:17.860 Like if you start to think of homeowners and businesses as people who sell power to the data centers instead of people who buy power from the electricity company unless they need it. 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:18.039 Yeah, 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:45.110 and so it's just a flip in the equation. But from a dollars and cents perspective, an example: a local power company here in the TVA, roughly this is all publicly available information, roughly speaking, pays about with the two charges combined about $15 for every kilowatt they use at their hourly peak. So to make that math really simple, 00:23:45.620 --> 00:23:47.630 yeah. If 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:51.500 you have four people that have 25 kilowatt systems that are firm and dispatchable, 00:23:52.250 --> 00:23:52.370 okay, 00:23:53.390 --> 00:24:23.589 that's 100. So these four people with these 100 kilowatts that they could send back, 100 times $15 is $1,500 that these little power plants are worth to the local power company by just avoiding TVA's charges, and that transmission distribution company relationship is there everywhere. So the game would be: there's plenty of individual wealth, and there's plenty of loans available to individuals. 00:24:23.740 --> 00:25:48.769 And as more and more people realize that this is one of the safest loans you can make is for energy resilience infrastructure, and it has so many other benefits. Like after Hurricane Helene, we put in a little microgrid in Marshall, North Carolina, that gave power to a building for 47 days after that storm. You know, so it's maybe a little bit more personal here because our nonprofit did relief work for like a year and a half and rescue people from floods, and it was crazy time, but resilience, it matters. But your real example would be Eversource in Connecticut. We have customers with just your basic Solarks and Luxes up there, or Solarks and EG4s, earning $5,000 a year for letting the utility company say,"Hey, we need some power right now for just a couple hours, like 30 times a year." So it's barely any usage on their batteries, and it pays for itself because that is policy saying you have to recognize the value of this, and but that's all wasted because it's so much policy. When really it's simple as hell. It's like, how much did you send back? How can we know that you sent that back if we're the utility? So you need revenue grade metering. Like you need to be able to communicate with the system. All this, all the things that matter, and then it's just pushing a button and adjusting a bill. But folks don't know how simple it can be, and so that's all we're doing is saying it pays for itself. The answer is the first storm that comes. 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Visit Sinclair designs.com. And what is your sweet spot? What is it that you really want to do? 00:26:55.100 --> 00:27:10.059 The thing that I would love to do, love to do, is have a conversation with a hyperscaler, and say y'all are moving into a community. That means that there's going to be a grid impact in the community, and it means that you need energy capacity from near this area. 00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:10.360 Yeah, 00:27:10.750 --> 00:27:40.170 what if part of your infrastructure investment was to make 40,000 super affordable leases for this equipment possible, or to create a fund where it's a 50-year, no percentage loan for anybody who'd like to raise their hand and have a microgrid on their property, and then you have people in that community who are really happy because their lights never go out, their bill never goes up, their distribution company has a lower demand charge from their transmission company, which keeps wealth in the community. 00:27:40.769 --> 00:27:47.839 If the people in the community and the data center has extra power without pissing off the people. You kind of 00:27:47.839 --> 00:28:07.150 lost me there, though, Lester. You you talk about hyperscalers. Okay, let's say you're planning a large data center. The mantra here is bring your own power, right? So you want to you want to be focused on the. I call this large CNI, right? I mean, we were talking more 00:28:07.239 --> 00:28:27.689 residential. I'm thinking residential and small businesses that we need to keep going to protect people while we guard the grid and accelerate AI. So you said it. You're saying these large hyperscalers should bring their own power, but why can't they put it on people's homes are going to be impacted, so those homes can then contribute to solving the problem. Yeah, now 00:28:27.870 --> 00:28:47.059 I'm with you. So if I'm a data center developer or asset owner, I say, okay, I'm going to build a data center, and I'm going to build 10 gigawatts of batteries distributed throughout the local utility area, 00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:58.370 right, and then people that are most likely to go run a

bulldozer through their data center are happy because their power never goes out. And if they're and if they're fairly rewarded for using their property for that purpose, 00:28:58.759 --> 00:28:58.819 yeah, 00:28:59.450 --> 00:29:01.309 simplest way would be to let them own it. 00:29:01.309 --> 00:29:02.630 Yeah. So what base power 00:29:03.049 --> 00:29:23.670 is base power is effectively the the the kind of from the bottom up approach with this, right? They're building 40 kilowatt hour batteries, or they're they're they're installing 40 kilowatt hour batteries in Texas and now in Illinois, in northern Illinois, in ComEd territory. You can order a base power battery. It's batteries to service. 00:29:24.029 --> 00:29:25.079 I'm very familiar with their model. 00:29:25.350 --> 00:29:25.470 Okay, 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:33.299 and their technology, and it's lacking in resilience. It's a, it's an, it's, it's worth. So anybody that's invested in base, definitely worth the valuation. 00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:49.940 They're going to make way more money than that, and it's a very interesting problem. And I especially acknowledge their generator integration. But to have an AC coupled solar as the only option, you know, it has to be CT. What that means is, if the batteries ever go to zero, the solar won't black start it. 00:29:49.940 --> 00:30:04.190 So, and then how do you incentivize solar into into that? And then how do you even incentivize the generator? I don't know. But is is energy arbitrage valuable? It's valuable enough for base to raise $14 billion because this is all they're doing, but they're owning it. 00:30:04.308 --> 00:30:08.858 Yeah. Yeah. Well. 00:30:04.308 --> 00:30:13.058 it's it allows it allows for a wider demographic to get in the game and have resiliency. Well, it's 00:30:13.059 --> 00:30:13.690 going to be everybody 00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:23.710 because let's face it, batteries are still relatively expensive. I do like what EG4 is rolling out a 60 kilowatt hour solution for$20,000. 00:30:23.950 --> 00:30:24.009 Yeah, 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:31.470 and their approach is very similar to base, I think. Yeah, but so what are your what is your preferred equipment? 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:32.940 What in a perfect 00:30:32.999 --> 00:30:35.759 world? What who is the manufacturing? We will 00:30:37.049 --> 00:30:39.569 be because after installing 50 different, you're getting 00:30:39.630 --> 00:30:41.190 into the battery manufacturing space, 00:30:41.339 --> 00:31:12.339 getting into the power electronics manufacturing space, cyber secure gateway communications, and a thing we call the NERD, which is the National Energy Resilience Device, which allows any type of energy asset somebody might find on their personal property to be fully integrated to provide power that protects them, provide protect people, guard the grid, can instantly be dispatched firm dispatchable energy, what the utilities want, and accelerate AI by reducing loads exactly when it's needed. 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:22.150 So who's going to pay for it? I guess the guys are going to take all the jobs and make all the money. Like like why not create a loan fund for anybody who wants to do it? And then you're talking about jobs. These are jobs that can't be outsourced. 00:31:19.809 --> 00:31:33.329 These are jobs that are all local. These are construction and trades jobs, and they can always get up and do bigger ones. But it's a good place to cut your teeth. It's in your local community. It feels good, and it makes sure that your town's lights just don't go out. 00:31:33.420 --> 00:32:20.380 And the money's already there to do it. The technology is already there to do it. I we're just real particular. Like I said, we always create edge cases somehow. I work with. An unreasonable small team that cares about the stuff working that we install, and so ultimately, after working with everybody else's stuff, we realized that we could make something better. We found a partnership with the Department of War Engineering firm. I can send you that letter for validation. We validate validated our prototypes, and we're getting ready to make something in America for America, so that everybody in America can participate in energy resilience and solving this moment that we're in right now in our national energy emergency. So, we never meant to do it. We were just trying to give money away to churches and schools to talk to them about how cool solar was. 00:32:23.019 --> 00:33:07.059 We came full circle. We're giving money away to green the grid. I love it. I love it. Well, check out all of our content at CleanPowerHour.com. Tell a friend about the show. Do it today. That's the best thing you can do to help others find this content. I'm Tim Montague. Let's grow solar and storage. And Lester, how can our listeners find you? I know I'm on LinkedIn and Facebook and Ovanova O V A N O V a.co. Forgive our website; we don't update it much, but you'll find us LinkedIn. I'm on X and Twitter and all the things. So, and that's just Lester Crafton. It's just my name, and it might be microgrid soon. I requested that handle the other day, we'll see. All right, hey, thank you. That was fun. Yeah, 00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:07.809 it was fun. 00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:08.529 I appreciate 00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:08.890 it. Yeah.